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You're in trouble, big, big trouble.

Tell us what we need to do

to make this safe for my girls.

She's getting bashed in the head.

It's turned out to be the house of horrors.

They're living here in danger?

Yes.

This is not good, not good at all.

I just hear death.

My name is Amy Allan.

God.

It's like, "I'm going to get you."

I see dead people.

Her face was all demonic.

I speak to dead people.

He's like, "You think you can stop me? Because you can't."

And they speak to me.

What is he trying to do? Kill them.

But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.

Something happened. Bam, bam, bam!

I rely on my partner.

I'm Steve Di Schiavi.

I'm a retired New York City homicide detective.

Am I seeing what I think I'm seeing?

And I know every person, every house has secrets.

They're everywhere.

It's my job to reveal them.

This guy's got the markings of a serial killer.

But Steve and I never speak...

We never communicate during an investigation.

...until the very end...

Is this dead guy doing that to her?

...when we uncover if it's safe for you to stay...

That's it.

...or time to get out.

Somebody's gonna die over there soon, yeah.

I'm in the small town of Medina

between Rochester and Buffalo, New York.

I got a call from a young mom named Kelsey.

Now, she was sobbing saying the dead

are going after her babies

and brainwashing her mom.

I'm not sure exactly what the hell she meant by that.

But she sounded so scared for her kids,

I had to take the case.

Before Amy arrives,

I sweep the house from top to bottom

looking for any leading information --

photographs, family heirlooms.

Even a baby's crib can influence her findings.

So it's important that I cover or remove them all.

When I'm done, the location

will be ready for tonight's walk.

Boy. This isn't good.

So there's, like, you know,

some dead people here who...

I think that maybe they can ****

with living people.

And they're bad. They're very bad.

And they want to do things to living people.

I don't know why there's

so many **** dead people in this house.

Maybe it was a hospital

or maybe it was a crazy house at one time.

Maybe it was a boarding house.

And then, I hear there are demons lurking.

So, Kelsey, I'm glad I'm here because

when we spoke on the phone, you sounded pretty upset.

What's going on in this house?

My main concern is my daughter Zoey.

Um, she's 3 years old.

She's seeing things.

She's afraid.

She won't go into her room by herself.

And you have, another child as well?

We have Lucy. She's 2 months.

Two small kids.

Looks like it's affecting you, too.

Yeah.

It's a daily struggle just to keep the girls safe.

The girls are my main concern.

And I have to stay strong for them.

As far as activity goes, give me a --

kind of a list of what's happening.

There's been loud screams, things moving,

shadow figures, apparitions.

And now it's gotten physical.

Okay. So how long have you guys been here?

We've lived here 18 months.

Now, when I pulled up, this place looked like a --

a huge factory.

Um, how big is this place?

It's 6,200 square feet.

And it has 12 rooms.

Wow.

Now, do you know any history about the house?

We just know that it used to be an inn.

- And how old is it? - It's about 200 years old.

So who exactly lives here?

Myself, my daughter Zoey,

my daughter Lucy, my mom.

You mentioned on the phone your mom's got some kind

of strange connection, obsession with the house.

What's that all about?

She seems to be really attached to it.

She doesn't seem to ever want to leave the house.

- That's strange. - Since we've lived here,

her health has just declined rapidly.

Is she the only one getting sick?

We're all exhausted all the time.

We all are sick all the time.

It -- it feels like home.

But it feels like we're sharing our home

with something nasty.

I don't even know how anyone can stay here.

There are just so many dead.

I feel very dizzy.

Very sick, horrible, horrible...

We can't focus.

I think that the living here

would experience extreme sadness.

When I first walked in, I literally wanted

to start crying, extreme depression.

All right, Kelsey. This is a pretty big room.

Why'd you bring me in here?

Well, one night I was sitting right outside that door.

All of a sudden, I heard footsteps

walking towards the door.

And the door just slammed right in my face.

And so you hear, like, footsteps like this?

Yep.

Any doors and windows open for ventilation

that this might've slammed shut on its own?

No, this happened just a few weeks ago,

when it was winter.

Like that?

Exactly.

That must've scared the hell out of you.

Yeah.

Living people, they have a problem with the doors.

The doorknob's always... tch, tch, tch, always rattling.

And all I'm seeing is -- is, like,

the doors had blood on them.

There was blood on the floor.

Something is trying to get inside.

Anything else?

I looked up and saw a woman walk

from our dining room into our kitchen.

She was wearing this long, white dress,

looked like from a long time ago.

So did you go into the kitchen

to see what the hell it was?

The fear overcomes me.

And I just can't bring myself to walk in and see.

Well, okay. Anything else?

Um, one night, I was sitting down here on the couch.

All of a sudden, I heard this ear-piercing,

horrific scream of a woman.

And it sounded like she was being hurt.

That was what was startling about it.

I'm hearing a woman screaming.

Is she trying to get in? Or is she trying to get out?

They could see her, like, as a full-body apparition.

What would they see?

Like a white dress or something.

I guess maybe, like, a nightgown.

Freaking out.

Her heart's pounding.

I think she was murdered.

So this is Zoey's room?

And the reason I took the case,

um, what's going on in here?

She would wake up, start crying,

refuse to lay back down, refuse to go back to sleep,

talking about shadow figures and, mean men.

One day, Zoey had got away from us and took off.

And we found her at the top of the stairs

holding what looked to be someone's hand.

My heart dropped. I -- I stopped.

I froze.

It was one of the more scary things

that have happened here for me.

Okay. Anything else?

Um, yeah.

I will be walking up the stairs,

walking past this room.

And I'll look in the room.

And there'll be a black shadow figure

standing right in the window.

It's happened three times.

And I was literally afraid for my life.

So could there be somebody standing outside

and a car going by with the lights

and it reflecting in here?

No. It was very solid.

Looked like an actual man was standing there.

What are you hoping to get out of all this?

Answers.

Tell us what we need to do

to make this safe for my girls.

Okay.

This person's in big trouble,

big, big trouble.

This is not good, not good at all.

And I feel like these dead people

are very focused on this person.

Violent, very violent...

...anger, hatred,

being surrounded by these very bad dead people.

And the only reason why they would be focused on this person

is because they think they can make

this person kill yourself or kill everybody.

This living person is in danger.

So I was talking to Kelsey, and she basically said

that you're kind of obsessed with the house.

I guess that's fair.

I knew three steps in the door

that this is where we should be.

It's turned out to be, at times,

the house of horrors.

I understand you've been having some health issues, too.

I had to have two back surgeries

and a hip surgery.

And I just can't seem to heal here.

Have you had experiences living here?

Yes. I've had experiences with the walk-in closet.

I thought to myself,

"Maybe this is some kind of a portal."

You hear a woman screaming.

I mean, guttural, painful screams

come out of that closet.

Well, how the hell do you sleep in here?

I don't sleep in here.

I sleep in what would be Zoey's room.

I started sleeping in there,

thinking I would get a better night's sleep.

But it has not worked out that way at all.

Why not?

I'm having these horrific nightmares.

Okay, what kind of nightmares?

Every single dream, it has to do with somebody

in this house who is in peril.

What do you think is going on here?

It's like this house

is, a paranormal highway.

The living person in this room gets sick a lot.

There is a Satanic vortex that's in their closet.

Everything in this room

that happens is due to this **** closet

and this **** vortex in there.

I think that they would see things in there.

Like what?

I don't know, maybe having dreams.

Lots of stress. Lots of stress.

I see somebody, like, crying so much

they puke kind of thing.

So scared, so scared, crying and crying and crying.

So anything else?

The most significant

and the most frightening experience

that I've had here so far has to be

walking over to the window and looking out.

And there were, like, 8 or 10 shadow figures.

They were shaped like a human form.

But they were solid black.

And they were just staring right at the house.

And just one by one, they turned around

and walked down towards the river.

It terrified me.

You sure these were shadow people

and not a bunch of people that were dressed in black?

No. No, there's a street light out there.

And it was lit up.

And you could see they were this solid black forms.

They weren't people.

No.

It's like you're constantly anticipating

what might happen next.

And it's really difficult to live like that.

It takes its toll on everybody.

There's not a lot of life left in this house anymore.

I just saw, like, a really tall, dark shadow man.

And he just walked straight right back

and right into there.

He was **** tall, too,

'cause he must've been right up on that tree there.

He says that there's more.

So those shadowed...things,

they've been here for a long, long time.

I think that living people would see them.

But it doesn't seem like they're much interested in them.

Any idea how the living would see them?

Like human-shaped shadow people.

Are the living here in danger from them?

I can't say 100% that they're safe.

Okay, Cindy, why'd you bring me over here?

I was walking down this set of stairs.

I got probably six or eight stairs from the bottom.

And it felt like somebody took their arm

and just swooshed

and knocked my knees out from underneath me.

And I flew and hit hard. - All right.

So when I came up these steps, these seemed pretty sturdy.

They are.

- You could've got killed. - It's possible.

And you're still in this house?

And you're gonna say you're not obsessed by it?

I don't want to leave it.

Okay.

There's a man.

I think it's a man.

But he sounds inhuman.

He doesn't want us here.

He grabbed my wrist and, like,

pinched it between the bones, you know?

It, like, almost felt like a ice pick.

And then, he was grabbing my neck here like,

you know, this, my shoulder,

and then my jaw.

He is very physical.

As far as being able to touch people.

And then, I saw somebody get shoved,

a living person, a female, get shoved from behind.

So he's somebody I would worry about.

I think it's dangerous.

I feel like he's, like, trying to attach to me.

My God. **** Get off of me!

So I made some calls, and Kelsey's right.

The house is almost 200 years old and used to be an inn.

I'm heading back there to meet a local historian

who says the guy that built it had such a tragic time there,

he probably wishes he never laid his eyes

on it in the first place.

Sounds like my clients were right.

This place was built about 200 years ago.

Very close. We found, um, that the house

was actually constructed around 1837.

It's regarded as one of the largest cobblestone

buildings in North America.

She also mentioned that it might've been an inn.

Yes, that is correct. It was an inn.

Um, and it was there to cater to the stagecoach traffic

that was traveling from Buffalo to Rochester at the time.

And we actually have a photograph here

from 1870 that shows, um,

what it would've looked like from that time period.

And this picture makes it a lot more bustling

than it is today.

- Absolutely. - What do we know about the guy

that built this monster of a house?

The inn was constructed by Zachariah Spencer.

He was a wealthy farmer from Connecticut.

So you mentioned on the phone

that he's probably even sorry

he set eyes on this location. Why was that?

Yes, um, he turns the business over eventually

to his son Henry, um, in 1843.

Henry was about 28 years old at the time.

And at that point in time, he is a loner.

Um, he's not married.

And he has no -- no children to speak of.

That's kind of strange for that time period.

Isn't it? - Yes.

Okay. So now, Henry's got the business.

What happens?

Um, from the best we can tell, he runs it quite well.

And then, two years later, he kills himself.

Okay, and how do we know that?

We do have a deed transfer

that reverts the property back to Zachariah

that says, um,

Henry died at his own device. - All right.

Could we assume he committed suicide on the property?

Yes.

Now that Zachariah's got the property

and the business back, does he run it again?

Or does he sell it?

This time, he transitioned the business to his other sons,

Burrall and Samuel Spencer.

All right. So how'd these guys do?

Um, they overextended themselves.

And eventually ran the business bankrupt.

Burrall started, forging checks

about to the extent of $270,000

at that point in time.

What are we talking about today? What would that be?

By today's standards of about $6 million.

Wow. Okay.

So this poor guy, Zachariah, comes over, successful guy.

He's got all these kids.

One kid, Henry, who's 28 and winds up killing himself.

Yes.

And then, the other two knuckleheads

wind up running the business into the ground.

- Yes. - All right.

There's, like, two guys.

It feels like older teens maybe.

And they're bad. They're very bad.

I don't like these guys.

I don't know if they're human.

They might be pretending to be human.

Like, I don't know if they're really dead kids

or if they're demons.

And they're, like, talking about Satanism and ****

Them, you got to bargain with them.

Like, if you agree for them to do something,

then you're gonna **** pay a price.

That's all I know.

What sort of things will he do?

They can scare them.

They can harm them, cause accidents,

cause accidents where people die.

And I think also that they influence the living very much.

And I think that they could influence a living person

into harming themselves or somebody else.

It's not a good situation.

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So far, I've got a family worried sick

over their children's safety on a property

where a former owner committed suicide.

But I need to see if there's anything else.

Searching through old records,

I find a disturbing article about a local farmhand

who murdered a 13-year-old girl

right next to my client's property.

Now, for some reason, the local cops

won't talk to me about this case.

So I reached out to a local author

who says this was one of the most gruesome crimes

in the town's history.

Were you able to find out anything about this farmhand

that killed this 13-year-old girl?

Yes, the man we're talking about is Eugene Emory.

He was a farmhand local to the area.

And there's no known photograph of him,

but we did find a sketch of him.

Okay.

He was described as 5'8", clean-shaven.

You have any idea how old he might've been in this sketch?

Yes, at the time that sketch was done, 40 years old.

40, okay.

This guy have any priors?

Not really. But farmers in the area

had said that he liked the young girls.

Okay, so do we know when he starts working for the people

that live next door to my client's property?

He started working for the Grimes family in 1888.

Immediately was attracted to their daughter, Cora,

then about 12 years old.

What do we know about her?

Described as a very pretty girl --

brunette with curly hair, brown eyes.

Supposedly, quite a brilliant girl.

He was actually trying to court her.

And they had been seen out in the area

in the horse and carriage.

He had brought her a few little gifts.

And the family knew about all this?

Well, they did. I don't think, at first,

they realized it was that serious.

I, feel weak, real weak.

Really, really, really, really,

really, really, really weak.

Hard to walk.

I'm seeing the panicky girl who was murdered again.

And she's starting to show me flashes

of who she was and what happened to her.

She has dark brown hair, white nightie,

hourglass figure, about 5'2", no shoes.

It's warm, hot even, sticky hot.

Something's wrong here.

Something's wrong here.

My God. My God.

Take me to the murder. What happened?

Well, on June 24, 1889, summer evening,

Cora's parents leave the premises.

Okay.

Well, Cora and Eugene were having a discussion.

And she's trying to let him know

that their relationship isn't gonna go forward.

And he's not liking this.

She's trying to make it clear to him

that she thinks there's too big an age difference.

And he's not the boss of her.

She leaves to go into the house.

But in doing so, she turns her --

her back on him. He picks up a piece of firewood.

Using it like a club, he bashes her in the head.

That first blow probably killed her.

But he strikes her two more times.

She's getting bashed in the head.

Like, I'm just seeing her head explode.

And I'm seeing, like, brain and hair.

Something about the evil that men do.

I don't know who this is. They're in me.

That **** hurts. - Who's jumping you?

A chick who's being murdered.

****

Get out.

All right. So now what happens?

Well, Emory takes off through the woods.

And the men form a posse.

He sees 'em in the night with their lanterns.

And he knows they're in pursuit of him.

He turns himself in,

confesses to the sheriff that he loved this girl.

He's weepy. He's sobbing.

But he doesn't know why he did it.

This was big news at the time.

What happened at trial?

They do convict him of second-degree murder.

And he's sentenced to life imprisonment.

He ended up dying in prison

of natural causes, kidney failure,

after serving almost 13 years.

I saw several disturbing things on my walk.

But what has me the most concerned are the dead

coming out of the vortex in the closet

and then surrounding a living person in bed.

There's dead people everywhere.

There was a man on the left.

And he's in his early 60s.

Then there's a lady.

And she's tiny. She's probably, like, 5'2".

And then, at the end of the bed, just completely black.

Amy, is this what you saw?

Yes, that's what I saw.

Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations,

we're ready to reveal our findings to each other

and our clients for the first time.

Now, Amy, this is Kelsey.

And this is her mom, Cindy.

It's like these ladies are in a dysfunctional relationship

with this house.

And what I mean by that is it tortures them

physically and emotionally.

But they're drawn to it like they're obsessed with it.

But there's a reason Kelsey called us in.

This is her 3-year-old daughter, Zoey,

and Lucy, who's a newborn.

Kelsey's convinced that the dead here are picking on Zoey.

And she is not sure if it's safe for them to be here.

Now that Amy knows just a little bit about you guys,

I'm gonna ask her to describe her walk for us.

Something about this location

is that there were a lot of dead people here.

And I could not figure out why.

I was speculating maybe it was an asylum or a hospital.

Maybe it was a boarding house.

So I was extremely confused

as to why there were all these random dead people here.

Some of them can affect the living

because I felt a lot of depression and anxiety.

Obviously, the house is really old.

Um, a lot of people have been through here.

It was built in 1837. Originally, it was an inn.

We actually have a photograph of your place from 1870.

Geez, it looks about the same.

- Yeah, there's nothing... - That's crazy.

Not much has changed.

Now, as far as depression goes,

tell Amy about that.

Since moving in here,

I think we all are drained and tired.

And I think our attitudes are different.

Yeah. I mean, there...

I am always on edge, always.

If it wasn't for Zoey,

there would be no life in this house.

So I was outside.

And I saw this thing,

this really super-tall dark shadow man, like,

probably 30 feet tall just glide,

like, across the yard

and then went into the basement.

And I saw just all these shadow people.

They were kind of human size.

I think that the living might be able to see them.

And they didn't honestly seem

at all interested in living people.

But you never know, that could change.

Well, Cindy's seen them outside.

There were, like, 8 to 10

just solid black mass figures facing the house.

And one by one, they just turned around

and walked right back down to the river.

Scared me half to death.

I saw them three times.

Um, each time, it was when

I was walking past Zoey's room.

The third time, I got angry and just stared at it.

And that thing didn't back down from me.

It kept staring.

Finally, I just got so scared, I walked away.

So what else?

Then I went into the master bedroom.

- That's Cindy's room. - Okay.

And I saw somebody crying.

And they were scared and hysterical,

under a ton of stress.

Yeah. I've shed my fair share of tears here

and just been moments of just true despair.

I also got that the individual there,

does get sick a lot.

And that person sees a lot of strange things.

Um, and the reason why is because

when I went into the closet,

I saw this dark, black hole.

I really got evil from it.

And I said that it was the Satanic vortex.

I hate that closet.

I hate that closet.

I hear women screaming.

And it sounds like it's coming from that closet.

Tell her about your illnesses as well.

I've had several back surgeries and a hip surgery.

I have had maybe six or eight other procedures

since we've been here.

- What? - I just can't heal.

I'm just exhausted and anxious and depressed.

And I'm just fighting to get my life back

after these injuries.

But at the same time, you don't want to give up the house.

I love this house.

I got three steps in.

And I knew that we were supposed to be here.

Interesting.

In the master bedroom,

I also saw a person in the bed terrified.

You talking 'bout Cindy?

Yes.

There were all of these dead people,

that were kind of around the bed.

So what did this look like to you?

I had a sketch done.

I don't know if I want to even open this up.

There you go.

My God.

Wow. Well, that's awful.

Knowing that they're targeting my mom,

I mean, I just get angry.

It's overwhelming.

Did you see anything else?

Yes.

I met a dead male that is very active in this house.

And he is a serious problem.

He grabbed my arm

and was pinching through both of the bones.

And it felt like an ice pick going right through there.

He absolutely did not want me here.

And I felt he could do physical harm

to living people --

pushing, shoving, hitting them.

And I think he could be dangerous.

Well, dangerous is an understatement.

You could've been killed.

I was coming down the stairway.

All of a sudden, it felt like somebody took their arm

and just knocked my legs right up from underneath me.

And I went down, I mean, hard.

Does that sound like this -- this scum bag would do that?

Yeah.

All right.

So did you get anything on this guy when he was alive?

I saw he was a white male.

I think he was in maybe his 40s.

The other thing that I got

was that he had murdered a woman.

I saw her briefly.

And she was in a complete panic.

She was screaming.

She was wearing a white dress,

dark hair, she looked young.

She was petite.

And she wasn't wearing any shoes.

And it was hot and sticky.

Then I saw that she was bashed in the head.

And then her head exploded.

And I just saw the brain and hair

and everything just go,

Then I walked in the kitchen.

And she jumped into my body.

The pain was absolutely excruciating.

In the last 120 years,

there's only been three women

that have been murdered in this town.

One of them was right next door. And it happened in 1889.

The victim was a 13-year-old girl

named, Cora Grimes.

And she was a beautiful girl, dark hair, dark eyes.

Now, the year before she was murdered,

the parents had hired a farmhand named Eugene Emory.

The guy became obsessed with her.

The guy was basically a pedophile.

She's 13. He's 39.

You said the murder probably happened

when it was sticky and hot?

Well, the murder took place on June 24, 1889,

so the hot time of the year.

Now, Cora's parents left for a bit.

Emory approached Cora and professed his love to her.

She said to him, "You're too old for me,"

and turned her back on him.

And this guy went into a rage.

He picked up a club-sized piece of firewood

and took a shot at her head and cracked her skull open.

He wound up turning himself in.

And, he ended up confessing.

He basically said he lost his mind over the girl

and can't explain why he killed her.

Um, he ended up getting a life sentence and dying in prison.

Now, we don't have a photo of him.

But I did track down the sketch somebody did in the courtroom.

Um, I mean, it's a sketch, but...

...is it possible that's the guy you might've seen?

I don't know. Possible.

It's hard to tell from that picture.

But the case sounds very similar.

Everybody just says I look so young,

which is still creeping me out that he's in this house.

Anything else?

When I went into the living room,

I saw two teenage males.

They're a big problem. They're here.

And I keep going back and forth on, like,

are they really these kids or are they demons?

Their little mission is to create this havoc --

torture people, scare people.

And they can influence the living

to harm themselves or others.

How would they get here?

The freaking vortex.

Now, you had mentioned that they can cause people

to harm themselves and others.

There was a suicide on the property you should know about.

This place was built by a guy named Zachariah Spencer.

Come 1843,

Zachariah turned his whole business over to his son Henry.

Two years after taking over the business, 1845,

Henry killed himself right on the property here.

Boy.

I don't even want to ask her if there's anything else.

But did you see anything else?

The room that I am extremely nervous about

is the blue room.

Which is Zoey's room.

Now, you sleep in Zoey's room?

Yeah.

I don't sleep in the master bedroom anymore.

So does Zoey sleep in there with you?

- No. - She never did.

Got it. Okay. Interesting.

The individual that sleeps in that room

is someone who is in grave danger.

Those specific dead

are very focused on that living person.

So what the hell do they want from Cindy?

You've been subject to that room

where that horrible vortex thing is.

And they followed you.

I think that they are trying to possess you.

I mean, they can jump you and mold you into a killer.

My gosh.

They're probably trying to get you

as close to death as possible

'cause that would be the easiest,

time for them.

That's scary.

Goodness. I wasn't expecting that.

So, Kelsey, you called us in

'cause you're worried about your kids.

But it turns out, your mother's

the one that's in danger.

To see if there's any way you guys can stay here safely,

I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.

It just isn't the right place.

My goodness.

And I think, honestly, as quickly as possible,

you need to get out of the house.

And once you leave,

you then also need to go for an exorcism.

Once that's done, all the attachments will go away

so there'll be no more desire to return

and things like that.

As far as this location,

I don't think anyone alive should live here.

Kind of figured something like that

was gonna be what the outcome was.

Well, I wasn't.

I love this house.

You might feel differently

once you're away for a few months

after you have your exorcism.

If she gets the exorcism done right...

...do you think she'll start to heal a little bit better?

Yeah. Once you leave the location

and you have the exorcism,

I think you'll see a dramatic change --

your emotional state, your mental state,

your physical state.

And if they stay?

I just...

That's just not an option to me.

I'm sorry. But it's just not.

Um, absolutely would not recommend that.

Well, I'm a little concerned about you, though.

I know what she's saying that you need to do.

But I'm wondering if you're like,

"I'm not giving up this house."

No, I'm going.

No ifs, ands or buts about it.

- Okay. - Yep.

Yeah.

This is so much bigger than what I thought.

No house is worth this. - No.

I just didn't realize how big of a nightmare we were in.

The only way Cindy and Kelsey can save their family

is to move as far away as possible.

If they do that and get an exorcism for Cindy,

all of the attachments to the dead will be broken.

And they can begin to lead a peaceful life.

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