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For the living and the dead,
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this is just a terrible place.
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Something is tearing
my family apart.
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This person is scary.
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I just know,
whatever it is, it's bad.
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It's physically painful
to be in here.
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Sickness is everywhere.
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I just hear death.
-Aah!
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My name is Amy Allan.
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God.
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It's like,
"I'm going to get you."
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I see dead people.
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Her face was all demonic.
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I speak to dead people.
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He's like, "You think you can
stop me? Because you can't."
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And they speak to me.
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What is he trying to do?
Kill them.
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But there's only one way to know
if my findings are real.
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Something happened.
Bam, bam, bam!
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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Am I seeing
what I think I'm seeing?
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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They're everywhere.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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This guy's got the markings
of a serial killer.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...until the very end...
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Is this dead guy
doing that to her?
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...when we uncover
if it's safe for you to stay...
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That's it.
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...or time to get out.
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Somebody's gonna die
over there soon, yeah.
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Aaaaaah!
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I'm out here in Kaufman, Texas.
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It's about 35 miles
southeast of Dallas.
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I got a call
from a guy named Larry.
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Now, this guy's got
a real problem on his hands.
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He says paranormal activity
in the house
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already broke up his marriage
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and, now, his three daughters
are coming under attack.
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He says we're his last hope
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to bring his family
back together.
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I really hope we can
help this poor guy out.
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Before Amy arrives,
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I clear the house
of any leading information.
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Family photos
and religious items
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must be covered or removed.
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When I'm finished,
the location'll be ready
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for tonight's walk.
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That's weird.
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Something's wrong here.
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It feels,
really horrible
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and it's just like this
sickness is just everywhere.
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And then, there's like this
depression, this depression.
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And it's scary.
Something going on.
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And it's huge.
It's so bad.
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And you just wanna run away.
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And you want to run
the **** away.
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All right. So, Larry,
when we spoke on the phone,
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you sounded pretty upset.
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What the hell's going on?
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Something is tearing
my family apart.
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Relationships
have gone to hell.
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My wife finally got
to the point
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where she just asked me
to move out.
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She was my golden girl
and I figured that we'd
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live the rest of our lives
together, 'til we died.
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That's just not
the way it happened.
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Why would you think
it's the paranormal
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that broke up your marriage?
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Something is wanting
to take control
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of the women in the house
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and trying to get rid
of all of the men.
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All right. So this is
a pretty unusual arrangement
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you guys got going here.
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Now, who's living where?
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I'm living in this
house over here
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and my wife
and my three daughters
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are living in this
house over here.
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Okay.
- Matter of fact,
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I've got a picture
of my family
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that's staying
at that house.
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Okay. So who's this?
- This is Chelsea.
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Next to her is Denise,
my wife.
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Okay.
- Next to her is Brittany,
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my oldest daughter.
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And that's Ashley,
my middle daughter.
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All right.
So, Larry, do me favor.
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Give me a list
of what's going on here.
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We hear voices.
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We see shadows.
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We're having physical
attacks on the girls,
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that's causing
health issues.
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I've got
rheumatoid arthritis.
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I've got degenerative
bone disease,
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suffering
from depression.
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I had a heart attack.
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My wife had
thyroid cancer.
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So, Larry, I gotta ask ya:
how old are ya?
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Sixty.
- I mean, the ailments
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you're talking about are
for a much older man
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and I can't help
but notice the walker.
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What's with the walker?
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Well, me and my
daughter Ashley
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got into an altercation.
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She downright kicked me,
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broke the crap
outta my leg
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in three
different places.
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It was like
something took over.
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What do you
want out of this investigation?
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I want whatever
is here is gone,
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so that me and my wife
and my family
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can all be a family
again.
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There's somebody here
who's having really,
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really bad knee issues.
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I see like a woman.
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And she's like screaming.
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And I'm seeing her like
running after a man.
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She's beating him.
Very abusive.
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It's very abusive.
Very bad, very bad.
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He's running away from her.
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She's screaming
at the top of her lungs.
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I'm getting like chills
down my back.
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It's so **** negative.
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Okay. So what kind
of experiences are you having?
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I got attacked.
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I got slapped real hard,
twice, on the arm
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and it made me bolt
out of bed.
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It freaked me out.
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I went
into the bathroom
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and I lifted up
my nightshirt
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and there was three
scratches on my belly
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and my lower rib cage
on my right side.
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Now, I know there's dogs
all over the place.
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You sure the dog
didn't do this?
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The marks were
so far apart.
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It was bigger
than my dog's paw.
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There's no way that my dogs
coulda made those marks.
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All right.
So, anything else?
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We see shadow figures
and they've gotta be,
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I would say,
every bit of 10, 11 feet.
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They're everywhere.
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I feel somebody's
in the room with me
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and I know that
there's no one there.
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I need answers.
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Something's just
tearing us apart.
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Okay.
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I see an old, old man.
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And he's creeping about.
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Living people with him
would feel watched.
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Maybe they might see a shadow
like that on the wall.
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He is a creepy mother****.
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I think there's like a
lot
of stuff going on here.
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So, Denise,
I was talking to Larry.
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He was pretty convinced
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that the paranormal
broke you and him up.
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You agree with that?
- No. I don't.
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People's relationships
don't work out
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all the time
and people walk away.
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And I assume you don't believe
in the paranormal.
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No. I do believe
in paranormal.
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It's terrorizing my --
my family.
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Have you had
any experiences?
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Yes. We've had
a family photo
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that fell on the floor.
- Where was it?
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It's in the entryway,
on a like a mantelpiece
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and it was sitting
up there
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and it just fell off.
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Got a bunch
of dogs here, right?
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- Yeah.
- Sure one of the dogs didn't?
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No. They had been
asleep on the couch.
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Okay.
Well, talking to Larry,
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he thinks the paranormal
is causing health problems here.
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You agree with that?
- I do believe that.
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Now, I, you know, I hate
to say this, but, I mean,
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Larry's 60, right?
- Yes.
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He doesn't look good
for his age.
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No. He looks more
like 80.
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If he keeps going
the way he's going,
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he's going to end up dying
a very premature death.
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I don't want his children
to have to go through,
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you know,
what I've gone through.
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What do you mean by that?
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I had a stepfather
who raised me
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and he died
25 years ago, so.
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He was murdered.
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It was very rough
'cause we were very close.
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I would never
want my children
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to have to go through that
'cause it was bad.
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Horrible, horrible,
negative energy.
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It feels like I'm walking
through sludge, like
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Somebody lost someone.
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Someone can't breathe.
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Can't breathe because
they lost this person.
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Whoever's here isn't
getting over that, at all.
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He didn't die here.
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He died far away, recent,
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anywhere from 1990
to now, maybe.
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This guy's a good guy.
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He's trying to get away
from here, but he can't.
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There's like
an energetic cord
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that's formed
between this dead man
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and a living person
he had a relationship with.
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All I saw was them
pulling this cord
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and he's like "Aaaaah!
No! No!"
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Not a happy situation.
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So, Chelsea, I understand
you're the youngest
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of the three girls, correct?
- Yes.
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- Okay. How old are you?
- I'm 20.
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- Have you had any experiences?
- Yes. I had a experience
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where I was sleeping
in my bed
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and I heard something
like whisper, "Hey."
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And I could feel the hair
move next to my ear
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and I like woke up
out of a dead sleep,
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like with shivers
down my spine.
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You sure you weren't dreaming?
- Yes.
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Okay. Anything else?
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Lately, I've been getting
phantom bruising on my leg.
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Where on the leg
would it hit you?
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It's like the inner thigh
or sometimes, it'll be
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on the back of my arms.
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I actually have
a picture.
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Jeez. No dogs
in that room with you?
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No.
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All right.
Anything else?
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I've had dreams of a family
getting murdered.
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Really?
- Yes.
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And then, I also
had dreams of my sister
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committing suicide
in our bathroom.
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Which sister?
- Brittany.
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She hung herself
from the shower stall.
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She told me it was something
I had to let her do,
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so I just watched her
do it, in my dream.
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I mean, is that something
you worry about?
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She's never been that way,
so, for me to just
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have that dream
was really off the wall.
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All right, so,
with dreams like that,
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it's gotta be tough,
sleeping in your bedroom.
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I actually don't sleep
in here anymore.
243
00:11:43,503 --> 00:11:45,303
I sleep with my mom.
244
00:11:45,305 --> 00:11:47,672
Why?
- It's so embarrassing, but,
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I- I don't feel safe
to sleep in my room.
246
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I'm seeing a dead woman in here.
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I think she was murdered.
248
00:11:58,285 --> 00:11:59,851
She comes
right through the wall.
249
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She's trying to reach
whoever's in this bed.
250
00:12:02,456 --> 00:12:06,591
I know she tries to talk
251
00:12:06,593 --> 00:12:08,626
'cause she saying,
"Help me. Help me."
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00:12:08,628 --> 00:12:12,797
She's trying to get them
through dreams.
253
00:12:12,799 --> 00:12:17,936
Feel like she,
can get physical?
254
00:12:17,938 --> 00:12:22,307
I'm hearing smacking,
enough to wake them up.
255
00:12:22,309 --> 00:12:25,076
I don't like it.
256
00:12:25,078 --> 00:12:26,578
I don't like it.
257
00:12:32,552 --> 00:12:35,220
Seems like everybody in
the house is having experiences.
258
00:12:35,222 --> 00:12:36,721
Now, what about yourself?
259
00:12:36,723 --> 00:12:40,558
I've seen a massive
shadow in here.
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Okay.
Can you describe it to me?
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00:12:41,928 --> 00:12:45,096
It was huge. It almost
touched the ceiling,
262
00:12:45,098 --> 00:12:46,998
basically took up
the whole wall.
263
00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,500
How are you sleeping
at night?
264
00:12:48,502 --> 00:12:50,769
I do suffer
from anxiety.
265
00:12:50,771 --> 00:12:53,104
So, my mind races
at night.
266
00:12:53,106 --> 00:12:54,672
I think of everything
and nothing,
267
00:12:54,674 --> 00:12:57,442
all at the same time.
268
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What do you think is here?
269
00:12:59,546 --> 00:13:04,048
I think whatever is here
just messes with us
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in different ways,
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00:13:05,218 --> 00:13:07,986
brings out the worst
in people.
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We were once so happy
273
00:13:09,389 --> 00:13:12,457
and our family's
being torn apart.
274
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Okay. It upsets you?
275
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Yes.
276
00:13:16,630 --> 00:13:17,629
You okay?
277
00:13:21,668 --> 00:13:26,971
For the living and the dead,
this is just a terrible place.
278
00:13:26,973 --> 00:13:30,441
I don't know how
they can be in here.
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Like it's physically painful
to be in here.
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And it's all depression,
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00:13:35,682 --> 00:13:39,884
depression, horrible,
horrible depression.
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This room is completely
filled with it,
283
00:13:42,856 --> 00:13:45,089
like just this black goop.
284
00:13:45,091 --> 00:13:49,327
This black goop is literally
coming out of the walls.
285
00:13:49,329 --> 00:13:53,965
- So what is this?
- It seems to be a collection
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00:13:53,967 --> 00:13:58,536
of negative thoughts,
feelings, and emotions
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00:13:58,538 --> 00:14:04,809
that are pushed out
of a living person.
288
00:14:07,881 --> 00:14:12,584
This kind of negativity
can cause like
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00:14:12,586 --> 00:14:17,355
mentally illnesses,
physical illnesses.
290
00:14:17,357 --> 00:14:21,059
It could cause them to do
and act irrationally.
291
00:14:22,963 --> 00:14:24,329
It's really bad.
292
00:14:30,837 --> 00:14:33,771
So, Ashley, you're the girl
that broke your dad's leg.
293
00:14:33,773 --> 00:14:35,807
That right?
- Yeah.
294
00:14:35,809 --> 00:14:37,342
Now, you know
he doesn't blame you.
295
00:14:37,344 --> 00:14:40,211
He blames the paranormal.
296
00:14:40,213 --> 00:14:41,379
Yeah.
297
00:14:41,381 --> 00:14:43,214
Do you agree with that?
298
00:14:43,216 --> 00:14:46,484
He was acting pretty
weird that day, so.
299
00:14:46,486 --> 00:14:50,221
Okay. Your family,
you think they're in danger?
300
00:14:50,223 --> 00:14:52,357
Yeah. I believe
wholeheartedly
301
00:14:52,359 --> 00:14:54,993
that they're in danger.
302
00:14:54,995 --> 00:14:56,561
You've had experiences,
I'm assuming.
303
00:14:56,563 --> 00:14:58,229
Yes. I've had many.
304
00:14:58,231 --> 00:14:59,964
Why don't you tell me
about some of 'em?
305
00:14:59,966 --> 00:15:02,634
The night
that my boyfriend
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00:15:02,636 --> 00:15:04,402
had proposed to me,
307
00:15:04,404 --> 00:15:07,105
when I came home
that night,
308
00:15:07,107 --> 00:15:08,873
I was going to bed
- Okay.
309
00:15:08,875 --> 00:15:13,544
and, when I got up,
about 3:00 am,
310
00:15:13,546 --> 00:15:16,347
my pants were off
311
00:15:16,349 --> 00:15:19,484
and they were placed
by my pillow.
312
00:15:19,486 --> 00:15:21,352
So, was your boyfriend
here with you?
313
00:15:21,354 --> 00:15:23,187
- No.
- So you were in bed alone?
314
00:15:26,493 --> 00:15:29,594
Okay. You okay?
315
00:15:29,596 --> 00:15:33,598
Yeah. I'll be okay.
316
00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,367
I'm sorry, sweetie.
317
00:15:36,369 --> 00:15:39,304
I couldn't even imagine
waking up and seeing that.
318
00:15:39,306 --> 00:15:44,575
There were bruises
on my thighs, too.
319
00:15:44,577 --> 00:15:46,945
I showed my mom.
320
00:15:46,947 --> 00:15:48,947
They really
freaked her out.
321
00:15:48,949 --> 00:15:50,448
Yeah.
322
00:15:50,450 --> 00:15:52,450
And then,
you know, then,
323
00:15:52,452 --> 00:15:54,986
that's when the blowup
with my dad happened.
324
00:15:58,758 --> 00:16:01,125
What do you think's
going on in this house?
325
00:16:01,127 --> 00:16:03,094
I don't know, honestly.
326
00:16:03,096 --> 00:16:05,396
I just know, whatever
it is, it's bad.
327
00:16:19,312 --> 00:16:21,579
Kaufman
is small-town America.
328
00:16:21,581 --> 00:16:23,648
This place is like Mayberry.
329
00:16:23,650 --> 00:16:25,016
So, when I asked a genealogist
330
00:16:25,018 --> 00:16:27,085
to look into
the property for me,
331
00:16:27,087 --> 00:16:29,253
she said she already
knew all about it
332
00:16:29,255 --> 00:16:30,788
and that one of the
original families
333
00:16:30,790 --> 00:16:32,390
had a riches-to-rags story
334
00:16:32,392 --> 00:16:34,158
I'm definitely gonna
wanna hear about.
335
00:16:38,932 --> 00:16:41,632
So, Rebecca, before we get
to this riches-to-rags story,
336
00:16:41,634 --> 00:16:44,168
who were the original owners
and when did they
337
00:16:44,170 --> 00:16:46,104
actually purchase the land
I'm investigating?
338
00:16:46,106 --> 00:16:47,805
The original owner
of this property
339
00:16:47,807 --> 00:16:49,574
was Thomas Shannon.
340
00:16:49,576 --> 00:16:53,911
He purchased over
1,100 acres in 1882.
341
00:16:53,913 --> 00:16:55,179
So what did he do with it?
342
00:16:55,181 --> 00:16:57,015
He farmed this property.
343
00:16:57,017 --> 00:16:59,017
So, even though they didn't
have the easiest time,
344
00:16:59,019 --> 00:17:01,319
they were able to have
a prosperous farm
345
00:17:01,321 --> 00:17:02,987
in this place.
- Okay. So what do you mean by,
346
00:17:02,989 --> 00:17:04,222
"They didn't have
the easiest time"?
347
00:17:04,224 --> 00:17:07,759
Three of Thomas Shannon's
children, and his wife, died
348
00:17:07,761 --> 00:17:09,694
in a very short
period of time.
349
00:17:09,696 --> 00:17:11,029
While they were
on that property?
350
00:17:11,031 --> 00:17:13,231
Correct.
Thomas Shannon, himself,
351
00:17:13,233 --> 00:17:14,799
actually died on the
property as well,
352
00:17:14,801 --> 00:17:16,501
in 1906.
353
00:17:16,503 --> 00:17:17,935
Okay.
What'd he die of?
354
00:17:17,937 --> 00:17:19,470
Well, we can see
in his death certificate
355
00:17:19,472 --> 00:17:22,740
right here, basically,
he died of exhaustion.
356
00:17:22,742 --> 00:17:24,108
Exhaustion?
357
00:17:24,110 --> 00:17:26,844
So how old was he
at the time of his death?
358
00:17:26,846 --> 00:17:28,946
- He was 66.
- All right.
359
00:17:28,948 --> 00:17:31,716
So, now, Thomas Shannon is dead.
Who gets the property?
360
00:17:31,718 --> 00:17:33,751
Well, it changes hands
a couple times
361
00:17:33,753 --> 00:17:36,687
and it ends up with
his grandson Shannon Jones.
362
00:17:36,689 --> 00:17:38,489
All right. So now, the grandson
has the property.
363
00:17:38,491 --> 00:17:40,024
What's he wind up
doing with it?
364
00:17:40,026 --> 00:17:42,727
Well, he's not able to
hold on to the property.
365
00:17:42,729 --> 00:17:44,362
Unfortunately,
he doesn't seem to have
366
00:17:44,364 --> 00:17:46,931
the capitalist gift
of his grandfather
367
00:17:46,933 --> 00:17:49,333
and, from this date
in 1922,
368
00:17:49,335 --> 00:17:53,471
we see him selling
the property off.
369
00:17:53,473 --> 00:17:55,907
All right. So what winds up
happening with Jones?
370
00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:58,176
Shannon Jones dies
of a heart attack,
371
00:17:58,178 --> 00:18:00,278
actually, in 1948.
372
00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,147
So he's 55,
which is young.
373
00:18:03,149 --> 00:18:05,650
And the doctor mentions
it's from overwork.
374
00:18:05,652 --> 00:18:06,984
Yeah. I see that on there.
375
00:18:06,986 --> 00:18:08,286
Basically,
he worked himself to death.
376
00:18:08,288 --> 00:18:11,823
Yes.
377
00:18:11,825 --> 00:18:17,829
I see an angry man
in his 30s or 40s.
378
00:18:17,831 --> 00:18:21,399
I would think it was
between 1930 and 1950s?
379
00:18:21,401 --> 00:18:26,037
And he was out and there was
nothing, nothing, nothing,
380
00:18:26,039 --> 00:18:29,307
except for
dirt,
a lot of
dirt,
381
00:18:29,309 --> 00:18:33,845
and he's freaking
the **** out.
382
00:18:33,847 --> 00:18:37,782
He started screaming and yelling
that he can't do it anymore.
383
00:18:37,784 --> 00:18:38,983
He had money.
384
00:18:38,985 --> 00:18:40,551
I just see the bank.
385
00:18:40,553 --> 00:18:45,289
But then, I see all these papers
and someone -- on a desk --
386
00:18:45,291 --> 00:18:46,791
and someone's taking a stamp
387
00:18:46,793 --> 00:18:49,560
and stamping the word "Bank"
on these papers.
388
00:18:49,562 --> 00:18:53,064
So it's one after the other,
Bank, Bank, Bank.
389
00:18:53,066 --> 00:18:55,466
Then, he thinks, "I'm gonna
**** shoot myself."
390
00:18:58,905 --> 00:19:01,072
So far, I've got a house
full of women who say
391
00:19:01,074 --> 00:19:03,441
they're getting physically
attacked on a property
392
00:19:03,443 --> 00:19:06,377
that's seen
at least five deaths.
393
00:19:06,379 --> 00:19:08,913
But I wanna see
if there's anything else.
394
00:19:08,915 --> 00:19:11,682
Searching through old records,
I find Charlie Ice,
395
00:19:11,684 --> 00:19:13,885
one of the property's
previous owners.
396
00:19:13,887 --> 00:19:16,687
Turns out Charlie had
some dirty laundry.
397
00:19:16,689 --> 00:19:19,957
Weeks after his wife died,
he married her young caretaker.
398
00:19:22,495 --> 00:19:23,861
I'm on my way to meet a local
399
00:19:23,863 --> 00:19:26,597
who knew everyone involved
in this scandal and she says
400
00:19:26,599 --> 00:19:30,368
the nurse was volatile,
unstable, and violent.
401
00:19:34,340 --> 00:19:36,807
I understand that you grew up
in this town
402
00:19:36,809 --> 00:19:39,343
and you knew Charlie Ice,
or knew of him.
403
00:19:39,345 --> 00:19:44,048
Yes. This is a photo
of Charlie.
404
00:19:44,050 --> 00:19:46,584
This is his first wife,
Opal.
405
00:19:48,688 --> 00:19:50,321
So, when does Charlie Ice
406
00:19:50,323 --> 00:19:52,356
wind up getting
my client's property?
407
00:19:52,358 --> 00:19:53,991
1953.
408
00:19:53,993 --> 00:19:55,459
So, take me through
this scandal.
409
00:19:55,461 --> 00:19:57,461
What happened?
410
00:19:57,463 --> 00:20:00,131
This is Mary and,
evidently, he had been
411
00:20:00,133 --> 00:20:03,768
having an affair with her
for quite a while.
412
00:20:03,770 --> 00:20:06,837
It seems as though
he had a love child.
413
00:20:06,839 --> 00:20:09,540
A love child?
How do we know that?
414
00:20:09,542 --> 00:20:12,877
Because his name is
on that birth certificate.
415
00:20:12,879 --> 00:20:15,012
Okay. Yeah.
He's the father on here.
416
00:20:15,014 --> 00:20:16,647
How old was Charlie,
at the time?
417
00:20:16,649 --> 00:20:19,116
Charlie is 44.
418
00:20:19,118 --> 00:20:21,052
Mary is 20.
419
00:20:21,054 --> 00:20:24,755
When Opal gets sick
in 1968,
420
00:20:24,757 --> 00:20:29,727
he employs Mary
to take care of Opal.
421
00:20:29,729 --> 00:20:32,663
She and the child
move in.
422
00:20:32,665 --> 00:20:34,832
You're kidding me.
423
00:20:34,834 --> 00:20:36,133
All right,
so I know Opal dies.
424
00:20:36,135 --> 00:20:38,636
When and what
did she die of?
425
00:20:38,638 --> 00:20:42,039
She dies in 1968,
at the age of 58,
426
00:20:42,041 --> 00:20:46,410
from a blood clot
in the lung.
427
00:20:46,412 --> 00:20:48,112
Three weeks later,
428
00:20:48,114 --> 00:20:52,350
Charlie marries
Mary Louise Winkler.
429
00:20:52,352 --> 00:20:55,386
Okay.
How's that go for them?
430
00:20:55,388 --> 00:20:59,390
Well, evidently,
not as
he had planned.
431
00:20:59,392 --> 00:21:02,860
She had a temper,
she had outbursts,
432
00:21:02,862 --> 00:21:05,630
and sometimes,
she was violent.
433
00:21:05,632 --> 00:21:07,398
All right. So, how long
are these two married?
434
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:08,933
Seven years.
435
00:21:08,935 --> 00:21:11,636
He died suddenly
of a heart attack.
436
00:21:11,638 --> 00:21:13,571
All right. So do we know
if Mary's still alive?
437
00:21:13,573 --> 00:21:19,010
She died in 2013,
of Alzheimer's.
438
00:21:21,147 --> 00:21:23,481
I'm getting a female.
439
00:21:23,483 --> 00:21:26,417
And I'm hearing "mother,"
mother and grandmother.
440
00:21:26,419 --> 00:21:27,818
I'm wondering like
if this is somebody
441
00:21:27,820 --> 00:21:32,290
who just lived here
and recently died here.
442
00:21:32,292 --> 00:21:38,129
I wanna say like maybe late 30s
to like, you know, 50.
443
00:21:38,131 --> 00:21:40,364
This person is scary.
444
00:21:42,001 --> 00:21:45,903
They're
extremely abusive.
445
00:21:45,905 --> 00:21:47,705
There's a physical
illness, though,
446
00:21:47,707 --> 00:21:51,208
that is involving
their head, that's bad.
447
00:22:16,859 --> 00:22:19,059
One other thing
caught my eye in research:
448
00:22:19,061 --> 00:22:21,128
a young schoolteacher
who was brutally murdered
449
00:22:21,130 --> 00:22:22,362
on the side of the road
450
00:22:22,364 --> 00:22:24,431
right near Larry
and Denise's property.
451
00:22:24,433 --> 00:22:26,566
Now, I don't know if this
is gonna help my case,
452
00:22:26,568 --> 00:22:28,669
but I'm meeting with
the Kaufman County Sheriff
453
00:22:28,671 --> 00:22:29,870
to see exactly what happened.
454
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,880
So, Sheriff, before we get
to the actual homicide,
455
00:22:39,882 --> 00:22:41,648
what do we know
about the victim?
456
00:22:41,650 --> 00:22:43,550
Her name was
Linda Jane Phillips
457
00:22:43,552 --> 00:22:46,653
and I have
a picture of her.
458
00:22:46,655 --> 00:22:49,256
She was 26 years of age.
459
00:22:49,258 --> 00:22:50,323
She graduated from
460
00:22:50,325 --> 00:22:54,261
North Texas State
University in 1966
461
00:22:54,263 --> 00:22:57,230
and subsequently became
a schoolteacher in Dallas.
462
00:22:57,232 --> 00:22:59,533
Okay.
- She was teaching in Dallas
463
00:22:59,535 --> 00:23:01,668
and living in Dallas,
but still, apparently,
464
00:23:01,670 --> 00:23:04,171
had a very close relationship
with her family
465
00:23:04,173 --> 00:23:06,673
and would still spend
the summers here.
466
00:23:12,414 --> 00:23:14,448
I'm seeing
the murdered woman again.
467
00:23:17,653 --> 00:23:20,387
And I got the name either
Linda or Lily with her,
468
00:23:20,389 --> 00:23:23,056
something with an L --
Leelee?
469
00:23:23,058 --> 00:23:26,693
She was between 25
and 35 years old, very small.
470
00:23:26,695 --> 00:23:28,729
She was superthin
471
00:23:28,731 --> 00:23:34,701
and she's
all kinds of
scared and pissed.
472
00:23:34,703 --> 00:23:35,902
So, take me through
the night of the murder.
473
00:23:35,904 --> 00:23:37,003
What happened?
474
00:23:37,005 --> 00:23:38,739
August 8th of 1970,
475
00:23:38,741 --> 00:23:42,542
she attended a wedding
party in Dallas
476
00:23:42,544 --> 00:23:44,511
and subsequently
called her parents
477
00:23:44,513 --> 00:23:47,047
at about 10:30
and told them
478
00:23:47,049 --> 00:23:48,248
she would not be
coming home.
479
00:23:48,250 --> 00:23:50,450
She was gonna stay
with a girlfriend.
480
00:23:50,452 --> 00:23:53,120
She never arrived there.
481
00:23:53,122 --> 00:23:55,288
The car was found
482
00:23:55,290 --> 00:23:57,524
during the search
on the 9th of August.
483
00:23:57,526 --> 00:23:58,592
Okay.
484
00:23:58,594 --> 00:24:00,127
And then,
485
00:24:00,129 --> 00:24:02,529
approximately
20 hours later,
486
00:24:02,531 --> 00:24:03,864
her body was found,
487
00:24:03,866 --> 00:24:05,599
approximately
3 miles from there.
488
00:24:08,904 --> 00:24:12,339
26 stab wounds.
489
00:24:12,341 --> 00:24:14,107
"Lacerations of Neck
& Abdomen."
490
00:24:17,112 --> 00:24:18,612
Jeez.
491
00:24:18,614 --> 00:24:22,749
Subsequent investigation
and autopsy revealed
492
00:24:22,751 --> 00:24:24,718
that she'd been
sexually assaulted.
493
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,319
Anybody arrested for this?
494
00:24:26,321 --> 00:24:29,156
14 years later, in 1984,
495
00:24:29,158 --> 00:24:32,058
the self-confessed
mass murderer
496
00:24:32,060 --> 00:24:34,294
named Henry Lee Lucas
confessed to it.
497
00:24:34,296 --> 00:24:36,196
I know Henry Lee Lucas.
498
00:24:36,198 --> 00:24:37,697
He confessed to a lot
of murders, this guy.
499
00:24:37,699 --> 00:24:38,899
He did.
500
00:24:38,901 --> 00:24:40,200
What was your impression?
501
00:24:40,202 --> 00:24:41,701
He was a liar.
502
00:24:41,703 --> 00:24:44,004
What's your opinion on it?
Do you think Henry Lee did it?
503
00:24:44,006 --> 00:24:45,772
I don't believe he did.
504
00:24:45,774 --> 00:24:47,774
Okay.
- There's no evidence
505
00:24:47,776 --> 00:24:49,176
that he did it,
other than his word,
506
00:24:49,178 --> 00:24:53,046
and obviously, his word
is not not good.
507
00:24:53,048 --> 00:24:54,948
So the killer
could still be out there.
508
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:56,183
Yes.
509
00:24:56,185 --> 00:24:57,450
Okay.
510
00:25:03,292 --> 00:25:06,793
She's so wrapped up
in how she **** died.
511
00:25:06,795 --> 00:25:09,529
It was somewhere in Texas.
512
00:25:09,531 --> 00:25:12,032
And she was wearing
a really pretty dress.
513
00:25:12,034 --> 00:25:15,468
Boyfriend comes in
and then, these two big like
514
00:25:15,470 --> 00:25:19,306
strong-arm dudes come in
and they took her.
515
00:25:19,308 --> 00:25:21,007
They throw her in this old car.
-Aaaagh!
516
00:25:21,009 --> 00:25:23,910
One's in the back
and he's **** beating the **** out of her.
517
00:25:25,914 --> 00:25:27,948
There's also
518
00:25:27,950 --> 00:25:30,417
sexual stuff happening.
519
00:25:30,419 --> 00:25:34,154
And she sees her arm
being cut off.
520
00:25:34,156 --> 00:25:35,222
With what?
521
00:25:35,224 --> 00:25:37,858
I think it was like
a **** knife.
522
00:25:37,860 --> 00:25:40,927
I know they did
something here, too.
523
00:25:40,929 --> 00:25:45,398
You know? So this is all
**** up, like cut open.
524
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,500
And then, she passed out
and then,
525
00:25:47,502 --> 00:25:50,270
they did something to her
526
00:25:50,272 --> 00:25:52,839
neck or head, or something.
527
00:25:52,841 --> 00:25:55,442
Then, they scattered her body
parts along the road.
528
00:26:03,886 --> 00:26:06,386
I saw several disturbing
things on my walk,
529
00:26:06,388 --> 00:26:09,389
but the bedroom filled
with big, black, negative goop
530
00:26:09,391 --> 00:26:12,058
has me the most concerned.
531
00:26:12,060 --> 00:26:13,994
There's this little hallway.
532
00:26:13,996 --> 00:26:16,129
The bedroom door is open.
533
00:26:16,131 --> 00:26:21,468
The room was filled with black,
gelatinous stuff.
534
00:26:21,470 --> 00:26:24,304
It's like spilling
into the hallway.
535
00:26:28,744 --> 00:26:30,110
Amy,
536
00:26:30,112 --> 00:26:32,379
is this what you saw?
537
00:26:32,381 --> 00:26:33,914
Yes. That's what I saw.
538
00:26:54,136 --> 00:26:57,037
Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
539
00:26:57,039 --> 00:26:59,139
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
540
00:26:59,141 --> 00:27:02,208
and our clients,
for the first time.
541
00:27:02,210 --> 00:27:04,811
So, Amy, this case
is a bit unusual.
542
00:27:04,813 --> 00:27:07,781
This is Larry.
He lives next house over.
543
00:27:07,783 --> 00:27:10,951
This is his estranged
wife, Denise.
544
00:27:10,953 --> 00:27:14,654
She lives here with Brittany;
545
00:27:14,656 --> 00:27:19,092
Ashley; and Chelsea,
her youngest daughter.
546
00:27:19,094 --> 00:27:21,194
Now, Larry thinks
the paranormal activity
547
00:27:21,196 --> 00:27:25,098
ripped his family apart and got
him kicked out of the house.
548
00:27:25,100 --> 00:27:27,467
The ladies aren't buying that.
549
00:27:27,469 --> 00:27:29,269
But everyone agrees
the activity
550
00:27:29,271 --> 00:27:33,206
is getting worse and more
violent and it's gotta stop.
551
00:27:33,208 --> 00:27:34,474
So, now that Amy knows
a little bit
552
00:27:34,476 --> 00:27:36,409
about your family
and what's going on,
553
00:27:36,411 --> 00:27:39,479
I'm gonna have her
describe her walk for us.
554
00:27:39,481 --> 00:27:44,884
Initially, when I got here,
I encountered a female
555
00:27:44,886 --> 00:27:48,888
and her situation is
that she was murdered.
556
00:27:48,890 --> 00:27:53,960
She is pretty consumed
with the way that she died.
557
00:27:53,962 --> 00:27:58,198
I connected with her
in the bedroom on the right.
558
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,733
All right,
so that's Chelsea's room.
559
00:27:59,735 --> 00:28:00,934
That's the youngest
daughter.
560
00:28:00,936 --> 00:28:02,202
Okay.
561
00:28:02,204 --> 00:28:05,772
And I got her specifically
trying to make contact
562
00:28:05,774 --> 00:28:08,375
with the individual
in that room.
563
00:28:08,377 --> 00:28:11,411
One of the ways she's
trying to make contact is
564
00:28:11,413 --> 00:28:13,346
through the living
person's dreams.
565
00:28:13,348 --> 00:28:18,952
The other thing is she tries
to get physical.
566
00:28:18,954 --> 00:28:21,855
One of the things she was
showing me doing was
567
00:28:21,857 --> 00:28:25,759
smacking the person on the bed,
trying to wake them up.
568
00:28:25,761 --> 00:28:29,496
She also tries
to talk to the person
569
00:28:29,498 --> 00:28:32,432
and is constantly
whispering and yelling,
570
00:28:32,434 --> 00:28:35,135
"Help me. Help me. Help me."
571
00:28:35,137 --> 00:28:37,203
Chelsea's
so scared to death
572
00:28:37,205 --> 00:28:39,105
of being in that room alone
573
00:28:39,107 --> 00:28:41,775
that she sleeps with me
every night.
574
00:28:41,777 --> 00:28:45,145
She's also heard someone say --
I can't remember if it was --
575
00:28:45,147 --> 00:28:47,747
- "Hey." "Hey."
- "Hey"? Or "Hello" or something.
576
00:28:47,749 --> 00:28:50,016
Now, she can get physical,
you were saying, right?
577
00:28:50,018 --> 00:28:51,317
Yes.
578
00:28:51,319 --> 00:28:54,320
So I have a picture here
of Chelsea's leg
579
00:28:54,322 --> 00:28:57,724
and the bruises
she wakes up with.
580
00:28:57,726 --> 00:29:01,494
Yeah. She'll go to sleep
and there's nothing there.
581
00:29:01,496 --> 00:29:05,331
and then, she wakes up and
there's bruises all over her.
582
00:29:05,333 --> 00:29:08,101
Denise, tell Amy about
the nightmare she has.
583
00:29:08,103 --> 00:29:10,537
She's been having
a recurring dream
584
00:29:10,539 --> 00:29:12,539
of a murder of a family
585
00:29:12,541 --> 00:29:16,543
and she sees this murder
over and over and over.
586
00:29:16,545 --> 00:29:18,611
Interesting. Okay.
587
00:29:18,613 --> 00:29:23,316
If people are coming
to her for help,
588
00:29:23,318 --> 00:29:25,752
then she's most likely
a physical medium.
589
00:29:28,090 --> 00:29:30,356
She probably has a
lot
more people that show up,
590
00:29:30,358 --> 00:29:32,525
that she's not aware of.
591
00:29:32,527 --> 00:29:33,726
My god.
592
00:29:33,728 --> 00:29:35,495
So this murdered girl
who comes to Chelsea,
593
00:29:35,497 --> 00:29:37,430
did you get anything
on her in life?
594
00:29:37,432 --> 00:29:41,034
She looked young,
between 25 and 35.
595
00:29:41,036 --> 00:29:43,603
I got that her name
was Linda or Lily.
596
00:29:43,605 --> 00:29:46,072
I saw her getting into a fight
with her boyfriend.
597
00:29:46,074 --> 00:29:50,643
Then, two men grabbed her,
threw her in a car,
598
00:29:50,645 --> 00:29:52,479
and they beat her
599
00:29:52,481 --> 00:29:55,281
and they also
sexually assaulted her.
600
00:29:55,283 --> 00:29:56,483
They had a knife.
601
00:29:56,485 --> 00:30:00,320
They cut open her stomach,
slit her throat.
602
00:30:00,322 --> 00:30:01,955
And then, they took her body
603
00:30:01,957 --> 00:30:05,191
and they scattered it
all over the place.
604
00:30:05,193 --> 00:30:07,727
This is a tiny town.
There's not that many murders.
605
00:30:07,729 --> 00:30:10,130
They have one murder
that sounds similar.
606
00:30:10,132 --> 00:30:12,165
Almost 50 years ago,
a young woman was murdered
607
00:30:12,167 --> 00:30:14,167
only a couple miles from here.
608
00:30:14,169 --> 00:30:16,102
You said her name
was Linda or Lily?
609
00:30:16,104 --> 00:30:18,037
Well, the victim in this case,
610
00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:19,706
her name was
Linda Jane Phillips
611
00:30:19,708 --> 00:30:21,508
and she was 26 years old.
612
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:23,710
Her parents live
right down the road from here.
613
00:30:23,712 --> 00:30:26,146
So, on August 8, 1970,
614
00:30:26,148 --> 00:30:28,581
Linda went to a wedding
party in Dallas.
615
00:30:28,583 --> 00:30:30,283
10:30 that night,
she called her parents,
616
00:30:30,285 --> 00:30:32,719
said she was gonna spend
the night at a friend's house.
617
00:30:32,721 --> 00:30:34,787
Linda never made it.
618
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:36,523
A day later,
they found her body,
619
00:30:36,525 --> 00:30:38,725
totally stripped naked.
620
00:30:38,727 --> 00:30:42,629
She had been sexually assaulted
and stabbed 26 times.
621
00:30:42,631 --> 00:30:44,531
Now, I got
her death certificate.
622
00:30:44,533 --> 00:30:47,800
You talked about the stomach?
623
00:30:47,802 --> 00:30:52,205
She was stabbed
in the neck and abdomen.
624
00:30:52,207 --> 00:30:55,375
The sheriff I talked to
gave me Linda's picture.
625
00:30:55,377 --> 00:30:58,745
Now, do you think that's
who you might have seen?
626
00:30:58,747 --> 00:30:59,846
Yes.
627
00:31:04,719 --> 00:31:09,155
The other thing I saw
was an elderly male.
628
00:31:09,157 --> 00:31:11,391
He's active in both houses.
629
00:31:11,393 --> 00:31:15,195
I called him the lurker
because he's always behind you.
630
00:31:15,197 --> 00:31:17,730
Like you're always feeling
someone's right there
631
00:31:17,732 --> 00:31:19,632
and they're watching you.
632
00:31:19,634 --> 00:31:23,036
He doesn't particularly
care to be seen,
633
00:31:23,038 --> 00:31:26,606
but if he is,
it's more like a black shadow.
634
00:31:26,608 --> 00:31:30,677
The most concerning things
is that he seemed to be attached
635
00:31:30,679 --> 00:31:34,881
to someone
in the master bedroom
636
00:31:34,883 --> 00:31:37,584
and it's almost like
he's obsessed.
637
00:31:37,586 --> 00:31:40,286
And I saw him like sitting
on the side of the bed
638
00:31:40,288 --> 00:31:46,092
and like just really lightly
caressing the person's face.
639
00:31:46,094 --> 00:31:49,862
Chelsea has seen that.
640
00:31:49,864 --> 00:31:51,965
She has woke up
and she has told me.
641
00:31:51,967 --> 00:31:53,199
One night, she said,
642
00:31:53,201 --> 00:31:56,736
"Mom, I saw someone
at the end of our bed"
643
00:31:56,738 --> 00:31:58,905
and she said,
"I pretended to be asleep
644
00:31:58,907 --> 00:32:02,308
because I did not want
to move."
645
00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:04,844
Larry, you've seen
shadow figures as well.
646
00:32:04,846 --> 00:32:07,046
The shadow figures
that I've seen is
647
00:32:07,048 --> 00:32:09,949
more dark than translucent,
648
00:32:09,951 --> 00:32:12,218
where you couldn't
hardly see through it.
649
00:32:12,220 --> 00:32:14,454
Now, you said this guy
650
00:32:14,456 --> 00:32:16,956
likes to touch
inappropriately?
651
00:32:16,958 --> 00:32:20,260
Brittany, I want you to tell the
story about your sister Ashley.
652
00:32:20,262 --> 00:32:23,563
Yeah. She was
asleep in her bed.
653
00:32:23,565 --> 00:32:26,366
She had long
pajama pants on
654
00:32:26,368 --> 00:32:28,501
and she woke up
655
00:32:28,503 --> 00:32:30,103
and they were off of her
656
00:32:30,105 --> 00:32:32,538
and she has no clue
how they came off of her.
657
00:32:32,540 --> 00:32:34,807
Okay.
- When I spoke to her,
658
00:32:34,809 --> 00:32:36,309
she broke down,
talking about it.
659
00:32:36,311 --> 00:32:38,177
Now, is that this guy,
doing all this?
660
00:32:38,179 --> 00:32:40,780
Yeah.
He would be the one.
661
00:32:40,782 --> 00:32:43,449
He's being a little bit more
inappropriate than I thought.
662
00:32:47,889 --> 00:32:50,123
Anything else?
663
00:32:50,125 --> 00:32:53,393
I encountered
another deceased male.
664
00:32:53,395 --> 00:32:55,895
I got that he did die
far away.
665
00:32:55,897 --> 00:32:59,632
I got that he died
between 1990 and now.
666
00:32:59,634 --> 00:33:01,668
I got that there was
a deep family connection
667
00:33:01,670 --> 00:33:04,504
to a living person
in this house
668
00:33:04,506 --> 00:33:06,472
and it felt like there was
kind of a cord,
669
00:33:06,474 --> 00:33:09,475
an energetic cord,
that was wrapped around him.
670
00:33:09,477 --> 00:33:12,979
So he's being dragged
back in unwillingly.
671
00:33:12,981 --> 00:33:14,480
This means that
a living person here
672
00:33:14,482 --> 00:33:16,549
is inadvertently trapping him
673
00:33:16,551 --> 00:33:20,320
and they can't really let go
of him emotionally.
674
00:33:20,322 --> 00:33:21,988
So we're talking about
a dead man with a connection
675
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:25,291
to a living person here,
died around 1990?
676
00:33:25,293 --> 00:33:27,327
Yes.
- I hate to even bring this up,
677
00:33:27,329 --> 00:33:30,096
but --
- My stepdad was murdered.
678
00:33:30,098 --> 00:33:31,998
I mean, have you gotten
679
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,666
over it?
680
00:33:33,668 --> 00:33:35,735
I've moved on, but,
681
00:33:35,737 --> 00:33:38,104
they've never caught
his murderer, so,
682
00:33:38,106 --> 00:33:40,606
it's been kinda hard.
683
00:33:58,927 --> 00:34:03,029
I was afraid
this was gonna come up.
684
00:34:03,031 --> 00:34:05,965
I think it's a really
difficult situation to be in
685
00:34:05,967 --> 00:34:12,405
because you have an open murder
and you want justice for them
686
00:34:12,407 --> 00:34:15,875
and that's something that,
unfortunately,
687
00:34:15,877 --> 00:34:20,713
can sometimes keep them
kind of earthbound.
688
00:34:20,715 --> 00:34:22,682
So how do I let him go?
689
00:34:22,684 --> 00:34:24,417
Because I wouldn't
wish that for him.
690
00:34:28,656 --> 00:34:31,858
So the thing I'm most concerned
about was the bedroom
691
00:34:31,860 --> 00:34:34,460
at the end of the hall.
It was really bad.
692
00:34:34,462 --> 00:34:36,462
I was only in there
for a few minutes.
693
00:34:36,464 --> 00:34:37,830
One of
the interesting things
694
00:34:37,832 --> 00:34:40,900
was that the dead
even refused to go in there.
695
00:34:40,902 --> 00:34:43,403
That's Brittany's room.
696
00:34:43,405 --> 00:34:46,572
It was physically painful.
697
00:34:46,574 --> 00:34:49,208
Like pain in my ears,
698
00:34:49,210 --> 00:34:52,345
head, headaches,
stomach, nausea.
699
00:34:52,347 --> 00:34:53,880
She's always
had stomach problems.
700
00:34:53,882 --> 00:34:56,416
I've always had nausea.
701
00:34:56,418 --> 00:35:01,988
I also got depression in there,
a
lot of sadness.
702
00:35:01,990 --> 00:35:04,724
And the other thing I got
is that, when you're in there,
703
00:35:04,726 --> 00:35:07,026
your brain is like
fully activated.
704
00:35:07,028 --> 00:35:09,729
Like it's going 100 miles
a **** hour.
705
00:35:09,731 --> 00:35:12,999
And, honestly, like
I couldn't even think straight.
706
00:35:13,001 --> 00:35:16,302
I go through that
every single night.
707
00:35:16,304 --> 00:35:18,171
I think about
everything and nothing
708
00:35:18,173 --> 00:35:19,906
at the same time.
709
00:35:19,908 --> 00:35:22,708
All this negative energy
has collected on the walls
710
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:27,346
of your room and formed
into this black goop.
711
00:35:27,348 --> 00:35:30,783
And then, I saw it kind of
spilling out of that room
712
00:35:30,785 --> 00:35:33,586
and going through the house.
713
00:35:33,588 --> 00:35:38,157
This negative energy is coming
from a psychic empath.
714
00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:40,893
So you're the psychic empath.
715
00:35:40,895 --> 00:35:47,500
Everything that you feel, like
your emotions and stuff, you...
716
00:35:47,502 --> 00:35:50,603
are having a hard time
keeping within you.
717
00:35:50,605 --> 00:35:55,775
It's something that spills out
from you energetically.
718
00:35:55,777 --> 00:36:01,581
It can create negative thoughts
and negative thought patterns
719
00:36:01,583 --> 00:36:05,585
and it can cause
irrational behavior.
720
00:36:05,587 --> 00:36:08,187
Well, talking about
irrational behavior,
721
00:36:08,189 --> 00:36:12,959
I mean, he did get his leg
broke by your daughter
722
00:36:12,961 --> 00:36:14,160
Ashley.
723
00:36:14,162 --> 00:36:17,396
He did. Yes.
724
00:36:17,398 --> 00:36:20,166
He was talking to her
and she didn't wanna hear
725
00:36:20,168 --> 00:36:22,468
what he had to say
about her fiancé.
726
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:24,370
- Okay.
- So she got up to leave
727
00:36:24,372 --> 00:36:27,773
and he pushed her down
and she fought back
728
00:36:27,775 --> 00:36:29,809
- Okay.
- and she broke his leg.
729
00:36:29,811 --> 00:36:31,210
Wow.
730
00:36:31,212 --> 00:36:33,646
It's like something
in this house
731
00:36:33,648 --> 00:36:37,216
is trying to drive
all the men
732
00:36:37,218 --> 00:36:38,784
out of the house,
so that they
733
00:36:38,786 --> 00:36:40,753
can have their way
with the women.
734
00:36:40,755 --> 00:36:44,023
And, you know,
me and Denise,
735
00:36:44,025 --> 00:36:48,194
something came between us
and drew us apart.
736
00:36:48,196 --> 00:36:50,162
Have you guys gone
for counseling?
737
00:36:50,164 --> 00:36:51,397
- We did, for --
- Yes, we did.
738
00:36:51,399 --> 00:36:52,598
- You did?
- We did, three times, and --
739
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,201
Three times?
Just three sessions?
740
00:36:55,203 --> 00:36:56,469
- Just three sessions.
- Yes, three sessions.
741
00:36:56,471 --> 00:36:58,771
What really made me quit
742
00:36:58,773 --> 00:37:01,974
doing counseling was because
Larry had told me that,
743
00:37:01,976 --> 00:37:04,243
regardless of what
I was gonna do, basically,
744
00:37:04,245 --> 00:37:06,712
he was gonna keep on drinking
and I just knew.
745
00:37:06,714 --> 00:37:13,252
I was like "I'm done."
26 years, down the tubes.
746
00:37:13,254 --> 00:37:17,590
You are killing yourself,
plain and simple.
747
00:37:17,592 --> 00:37:19,125
Your drinking
broke up the marriage
748
00:37:19,127 --> 00:37:23,062
because she loves you
and she doesn't want you to die!
749
00:37:23,064 --> 00:37:24,397
So, you need
to get help for that,
750
00:37:24,399 --> 00:37:26,165
if you want your family back.
751
00:37:30,271 --> 00:37:32,638
I mean, you worry about him.
Don't you?
752
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:33,706
Every day.
753
00:37:38,279 --> 00:37:40,446
Man the **** up
and knock it **** off.
754
00:37:40,448 --> 00:37:42,582
It's that simple.
755
00:37:42,584 --> 00:37:46,218
The key is stop drinking,
take care of yourself,
756
00:37:46,220 --> 00:37:48,487
because these people love you
757
00:37:48,489 --> 00:37:51,324
and they don't want you
to be dead.
758
00:37:51,326 --> 00:37:53,926
Is this black goop making
Larry's condition worse?
759
00:37:53,928 --> 00:37:56,262
Yes.
760
00:37:56,264 --> 00:37:59,599
Now, this gelatin thing
you described,
761
00:37:59,601 --> 00:38:02,969
does it look that way
to you, or to everybody?
762
00:38:02,971 --> 00:38:04,437
I had a sketch done of it.
763
00:38:18,786 --> 00:38:20,886
My god.
764
00:38:20,888 --> 00:38:23,656
You don't see it that way,
but you feel that way?
765
00:38:28,896 --> 00:38:30,630
What exactly
is this thing?
766
00:38:30,632 --> 00:38:32,131
It's emotions.
767
00:38:32,133 --> 00:38:33,466
Her emotions?
768
00:38:33,468 --> 00:38:36,035
Well, she collects emotions.
- So she's absorbing
769
00:38:36,037 --> 00:38:39,238
everybody else's ****,
all their energy,
770
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:40,806
and it's led to this stuff
spilling out
771
00:38:40,808 --> 00:38:42,074
all over the house?
772
00:38:42,076 --> 00:38:43,709
Yes.
773
00:38:43,711 --> 00:38:47,413
Aw, honey. It's okay.
774
00:39:07,669 --> 00:39:09,235
So, Larry, you called us in
because you thought
775
00:39:09,237 --> 00:39:10,803
the paranormal
broke up your marriage.
776
00:39:10,805 --> 00:39:12,204
Well,
that's not the case.
777
00:39:12,206 --> 00:39:14,340
But, turns out, it's a good
thing you did call us
778
00:39:14,342 --> 00:39:17,176
'cause your kids are
under attack.
779
00:39:17,178 --> 00:39:18,711
Now, to find out
what you can do about it,
780
00:39:18,713 --> 00:39:21,047
I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
781
00:39:21,049 --> 00:39:25,084
There's family issues and then,
there's paranormal issues,
782
00:39:25,086 --> 00:39:28,854
which do go hand-in-hand,
oftentimes.
783
00:39:28,856 --> 00:39:31,123
There are dead that are attached
to this location,
784
00:39:31,125 --> 00:39:33,125
for one reason or another
785
00:39:33,127 --> 00:39:36,829
and for them, let's go ahead
and move them on.
786
00:39:36,831 --> 00:39:39,398
What I would like to see
happen is a medium come out
787
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,133
to move on the dead
788
00:39:41,135 --> 00:39:44,570
that are attached
to this specific location.
789
00:39:44,572 --> 00:39:46,272
What about
Denise's stepdad?
790
00:39:46,274 --> 00:39:49,608
What I would like to see is
you have a medium reading
791
00:39:49,610 --> 00:39:51,711
just for him.
- Okay.
792
00:39:51,713 --> 00:39:55,314
The second thing is
for Brittany.
793
00:39:55,316 --> 00:39:58,217
To prevent any more
of that stuff from forming
794
00:39:58,219 --> 00:40:01,287
around you or in your
physical environment,
795
00:40:01,289 --> 00:40:04,423
start journaling
every single night.
796
00:40:04,425 --> 00:40:06,692
Well, the other thing is
797
00:40:06,694 --> 00:40:09,462
for you to put these
in your bath.
798
00:40:09,464 --> 00:40:12,732
It's a mixture of herbs
and crystals
799
00:40:12,734 --> 00:40:17,737
and this is going to cleanse
away negative emotions,
800
00:40:17,739 --> 00:40:21,006
the stuff that's accumulated.
801
00:40:21,008 --> 00:40:24,844
So, for Chelsea,
at least one time a week,
802
00:40:24,846 --> 00:40:28,748
she
has to let the dead
come through, has to.
803
00:40:28,750 --> 00:40:31,851
It's not fun, but, the dead
need to have access to her.
804
00:40:31,853 --> 00:40:34,720
She's a medium and so,
she's gonna learn
805
00:40:34,722 --> 00:40:36,922
setting appropriate
boundaries with them.
806
00:40:36,924 --> 00:40:40,359
But if she doesn't do the once-
a- week thing with the dead,
807
00:40:40,361 --> 00:40:46,232
they'll slam her,
and they'll slam her
hard.
808
00:40:46,234 --> 00:40:48,801
The last thing
that I wanted to say:
809
00:40:48,803 --> 00:40:51,270
I would like the entire family
810
00:40:51,272 --> 00:40:53,906
to go for family counseling.
811
00:40:53,908 --> 00:40:56,075
Ev-er-y-one.
812
00:40:56,077 --> 00:40:59,678
This is
extremely important.
813
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,249
I think it'll lead you
on a very interesting path.
814
00:41:03,251 --> 00:41:05,518
So, Larry,
I know you wanted us
815
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,821
to try to help your marriage,
with that, but,
816
00:41:08,823 --> 00:41:10,923
we did help
your daughters out.
817
00:41:10,925 --> 00:41:12,258
I mean, I can't blame
everything
818
00:41:12,260 --> 00:41:13,559
on everybody else.
819
00:41:13,561 --> 00:41:17,263
I gotta look at myself,
too, you know.
820
00:41:17,265 --> 00:41:19,265
Did we ever get more
than I thought we would get.
821
00:41:19,267 --> 00:41:22,735
We were just hoping
to not be crazy.
822
00:41:22,737 --> 00:41:24,737
It's overwhelming,
823
00:41:24,739 --> 00:41:27,206
but, at the same time,
I'm relieved.
824
00:41:30,211 --> 00:41:31,811
The dead are causing
a lot of issues
825
00:41:31,813 --> 00:41:33,279
for Larry and his family,
826
00:41:33,281 --> 00:41:37,583
but I believe their problems go
much deeper than the paranormal.
827
00:41:37,585 --> 00:41:40,286
With the help of a medium,
the dead will be set free
828
00:41:40,288 --> 00:41:41,654
and, with the help
of counseling,
829
00:41:41,656 --> 00:41:43,756
so will the living,
as this dark,
830
00:41:43,758 --> 00:41:45,925
negative goop
will begin to dissipate.
831
00:41:45,975 --> 00:41:50,525
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