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He can do
physical stuff.
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He can touch you.
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Your mom was murdered
right here in this room?
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Yes, she was.
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She's pissed.
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She feels
like she's being tortured.
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A shadow person
started to charge at me.
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I think that a living person
was attacked.
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He shoots himself
in the mouth,
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and the bullet comes out
the top of his head.
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What is this thing?
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A demon.
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He doesn't want anybody here.
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I just hear death.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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God.
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It's like,
"I'm going to get you."
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I see dead people.
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Her face was all demonic.
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I speak to dead people.
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He's like, "You think you can
stop me? Because you can't."
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And they speak to me.
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What is he trying to do?
Kill them.
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But there's only one way to know
if my findings are real.
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Something happened.
Bam, bam, bam!
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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Am I seeing
what I think I'm seeing?
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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They're everywhere.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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This guy's got the markings
of a serial killer.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...until the very end...
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Is this dead guy
doing that to her?
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...when we uncover
if it's safe for you to stay...
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That's it.
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...or time to get out.
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Somebody's gonna die
over there soon, yeah.
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I'm in the small town
of Lake City, Florida,
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about an hour west
of Jacksonville.
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I got a call from a woman
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who was crying hysterically
on the phone.
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She says her house
is a war zone.
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She says, if things
don't change soon,
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someone's gonna
get hurt really bad.
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I'm hoping Amy and I
can help her out,
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'cause she sounded terrible.
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Before Amy arrives,
I need to make sure
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any photographs,
religious symbols,
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or personal items
that may influence her findings
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are removed
or hidden from sight.
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When I'm finished,
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the location will be ready
for tonight's walk.
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There's, like,
a lot of pain here.
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This one guy in particular
who died,
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he's not, like, human.
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He's, tall, really tall.
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Um, but he is kind of
like an orange, red --
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like, that kind of a color.
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He...thinks, like,
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humans, I guess,
are interesting,
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and he likes to imitate them.
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So when he is imitating them,
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he takes on
a more human, form.
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He's not a good thing.
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So, Regina,
I'm glad I'm here now,
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'cause when we spoke
on the phone,
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you sounded
pretty desperate.
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My nieces, my cousins' kids,
my nephews --
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they won't come over no more
'cause they're terrified.
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Well, do you have
children of your own?
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No, me and my husband
can't have kids.
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It breaks my heart.
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All right, so, give me
a list of what's happening.
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Knocking and banging
and things move around.
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Um, we've seen
shadow people -- apparitions.
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Um, and lately, it's been
getting kind of violent
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with people getting scratched,
pushed, shoved.
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Okay, so, when did you guys
move in?
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Um, we moved in,
um, 2005.
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And we moved in to take care
of my husband's grandmother.
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Well, what can you
tell me about it?
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His mother was killed.
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Your husband's mother?
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In this house?
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Who did it?
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Her brother.
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My husband will tell
you more about it.
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Okay.
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Now, you said
you moved here to take care
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of your husband's
grandmother.
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Did she witness
the murder?
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Yes.
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Okay, is she still alive?
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No.
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Okay, when did she pass?
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Um, 2008.
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Here's a picture
of Dorothy.
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And how old was she
when she passed?
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Um, 92.
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Where did she die?
And what'd she die of?
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Um, natural causes.
And here, at the house.
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She had dementia.
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It was a hard thing
'cause that's the first time
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I've ever really
watched somebody die.
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Okay.
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Have you done anything
to try to fix things here?
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I have saged the house.
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I have salted the yard.
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There was always something
about the side yard
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I've never liked.
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Why don't you
like it outside?
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One morning --
it was early --
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I went outside the door
and looked up.
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And there was, like, a --
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a shadow person
about 6 foot...
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maybe bigger --
started to charge at me.
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And I'm like, "Whoa.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no."
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There's something out there,
something bad.
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Someone put a barrier up.
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It's keeping
this tall thing out.
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He can't come in here
and do anything.
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And he's angry about it.
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Is it just focused
on this house?
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Yes.
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It looks at it
as, like, a challenge.
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He says
that he will find a way.
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He will.
He will find a way.
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Okay, what are you
experiencing in here?
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Um, when I was
sitting on the couch,
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it was sitting behind me.
Okay.
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And I seen, like, a light
out of the corner of my eye.
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I looked at it.
And it came down.
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But it had
Uncle Jack's face on it
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as it disappeared
in the chair.
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All right.
Who's Uncle Jack?
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My husband's uncle
who was involved
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with the murder-suicide.
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Were you on any medication?
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No.
Nothing like that.
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That woulda freaked me out
a little bit.
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Okay.
Anything else?
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Last night, I was out there
in the laundry room.
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Something came up
and hit me in my back.
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It felt like somebody had,
like, a knife or a screwdriver,
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and he went down into it.
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Getting assaulted, basically
is what's going on. Yes.
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Anything else going on?
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Little shadow person,
about yea big.
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He runs around.
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All right.
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So, this -- the shadow,
how big are we talking?
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Um, about that big.
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Well, what about
the dog casting a shadow
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as it's running around?
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When I see it,
usually,
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I can see my two dogs
in here with me.
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He can run...after them...
and follow them.
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You mean
when they leave here?
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Yes.
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I see him,
like, in a car.
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He says he gets really little,
when he does that.
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Can you describe what it looks
like when it's small?
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It looks like a troll.
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But the thing is, like,
it's really muscular.
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Do the living see it?
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I see a living person
looking out...the door
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and seeing it,
like, quick outside.
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And I -- you know,
I would be concerned
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about him trying
to injure them in the car.
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What is this thing?
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Some kind of demon.
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So, what's going on
in here?
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I constantly feel
like I'm being watched.
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But it's coming
from the outside,
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like something's
out the window,
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looking inward.
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Just...I feel
like somebody's out there,
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standing there,
watching me.
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All right.
Anything else happening in here?
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Yeah.
I was scratched in here.
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Here's the pictures
of them.
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One's on my chest
and on my lower stomach.
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That's pretty bad scratches.
These are pretty deep.
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Yeah.
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You sure the dog
didn't do this?
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Dogs aren't
allowed in my bed.
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So there's no way.
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So how the hell are you
sleeping at night
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knowing that, you know,
this could happen to you?
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I have
a lot of nightmares.
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Now, describe
the nightmares to me.
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What are we
talking about?
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Bad things happening
to my husband.
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Sometimes, they're violent.
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There's a lot of energy
in this house.
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That's why the dead are
so attracted to this place.
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There's a military officer.
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He's like...
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"Stand down.
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Stand down."
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And I feel sick.
I feel sick.
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Like, I feel his fear,
like, shaking.
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He can bother the living.
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If he feels like people
are too much in his space,
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he wigs out.
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He can do physical stuff.
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He can touch them, like...
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poking really hard.
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He can make you feel sick.
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He can touch you.
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He's like, "You don't want
to see when I get angry."
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Bad.
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So, John, I know this is not
easy to talk about.
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But your mom was murdered
right here in this room.
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Yes, she was.
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It happened right here.
Her chair was sitting here.
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Assassinated her.
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He killed himself
20 minutes later.
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The bullet hole's still up
in the ceiling right there.
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Wow.
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Now, what about
your grandmother? Where was she?
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She was sitting over there
in the corner in her chair.
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And when it happened,
she got up and ran outside.
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This is my mom, Becky,
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and my Grandma Dorothy
and my Uncle Jack.
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And this is the uncle that --
that did this thing?
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Yes, sir.
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How old was your mom
when she passed?
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59.
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What kind of woman
was she?
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She was a nurse --
the head nurse.
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She didn't get her way...
there'd be hell to pay.
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She was very difficult
to be around.
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Sounds like you guys
had a tough relationship. Yes.
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So, John, any indication
as to why your uncle snapped?
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He was...
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a military vet.
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I think he had PTSD.
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He was...real crazy.
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Okay, so this man
was a troubled guy?
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Yes.
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You find it hard staying here
knowing this happened here?
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Yes.
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Do you ever think maybe
you should leave this place
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because of what happened?
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Yes,
but it's financial reasons.
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We can't.
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Do you think...any one
of those people are here?
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I feel my ma.
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And I s--
I hear my grandma.
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What about your Uncle Jack?
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I think he's here, too.
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I just feel his presence.
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Okay.
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I'm seeing
the military guy again.
260
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He's tough and very,
territorial.
261
00:11:53,610 --> 00:11:54,900
I think he lived here.
262
00:11:54,910 --> 00:11:58,410
I feel like he had a lot
to do with this house.
263
00:11:58,445 --> 00:12:03,097
Like, he's like,
"Get the **** out."
264
00:12:03,132 --> 00:12:07,750
He's got issues.
He's got mega issues.
265
00:12:09,090 --> 00:12:12,690
It is terrible back here.
266
00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,800
Have you had
any experiences?
267
00:12:18,835 --> 00:12:19,795
Yes.
268
00:12:19,830 --> 00:12:21,465
Okay.
Tell me what happened.
269
00:12:21,500 --> 00:12:23,770
I was standing in the middle
of the living room one evening.
270
00:12:23,805 --> 00:12:24,765
Okay.
271
00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,140
And it felt
like something shoved me
272
00:12:27,175 --> 00:12:29,527
and on my lower part
of my leg.
273
00:12:29,562 --> 00:12:31,401
And I went forward
into the window.
274
00:12:31,436 --> 00:12:33,240
And you're sure
you didn't trip?
275
00:12:33,250 --> 00:12:35,800
I didn't trip.
I was just standing there.
276
00:12:35,835 --> 00:12:38,350
You're lucky
you didn't cut an artery.
277
00:12:46,830 --> 00:12:52,800
Something very bad...
happened here.
278
00:12:52,835 --> 00:12:54,065
You know what?
279
00:12:54,100 --> 00:12:56,930
I think that a living person
was attacked in here,
280
00:12:56,940 --> 00:12:58,330
like, bad.
281
00:13:00,070 --> 00:13:04,170
I wanna say this is that dude --
the angry military guy.
282
00:13:04,180 --> 00:13:07,175
Think I hear glass breaking.
283
00:13:07,210 --> 00:13:09,780
And I'm feeling it,
like, on me.
284
00:13:09,815 --> 00:13:11,545
I'm, like, falling down.
285
00:13:11,580 --> 00:13:14,515
And there's,
like, glass everywhere.
286
00:13:14,550 --> 00:13:17,450
Like, I'm being pushed.
I can't breathe.
287
00:13:17,460 --> 00:13:19,655
They end up on the floor.
288
00:13:19,690 --> 00:13:23,060
This angry man,
he doesn't want anybody here.
289
00:13:27,530 --> 00:13:30,130
Why'd you bring me
out here?
290
00:13:30,140 --> 00:13:31,905
I...have a feeling
291
00:13:31,940 --> 00:13:34,070
of an ominous presence
in the woods.
292
00:13:34,105 --> 00:13:35,410
Are you feeling it
right now?
293
00:13:35,445 --> 00:13:36,335
Yes. I --
294
00:13:36,370 --> 00:13:37,705
What --
what are you feeling?
295
00:13:37,740 --> 00:13:42,080
Something's watching me...
over in the woods.
296
00:13:42,115 --> 00:13:43,447
It's looking at me
right now.
297
00:13:43,482 --> 00:13:44,780
Where's it looking
at you from?
298
00:13:44,815 --> 00:13:46,220
It's over there.
299
00:13:47,850 --> 00:13:48,955
But you can't see it.
300
00:13:48,990 --> 00:13:51,450
I can't see it.
But I feel it.
301
00:13:51,460 --> 00:13:52,860
All right.
Anything else?
302
00:13:52,895 --> 00:13:54,055
Banging.
303
00:13:54,090 --> 00:13:55,355
Okay.
What kind of banging?
304
00:13:55,390 --> 00:13:57,245
Like somebody knocking
on the door? Yeah.
305
00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,100
Like,
cabinets opening and closing.
306
00:13:59,135 --> 00:14:00,795
I was in the kitchen
one time.
307
00:14:00,830 --> 00:14:02,780
And, there was a dish
on the sink.
308
00:14:02,815 --> 00:14:04,730
It fell off the counter,
onto the floor.
309
00:14:04,740 --> 00:14:06,035
It broke my toe.
310
00:14:06,070 --> 00:14:08,200
And so what makes you think
that's paranormal?
311
00:14:08,210 --> 00:14:09,840
Nobody touched it.
I didn't touch it.
312
00:14:09,875 --> 00:14:11,170
Think it was pushed.
313
00:14:11,180 --> 00:14:12,975
It's just devious.
314
00:14:13,010 --> 00:14:14,740
I don't know what it is.
315
00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,780
There's a woman.
316
00:14:19,815 --> 00:14:21,280
She has an accent.
317
00:14:21,290 --> 00:14:24,475
I feel like
this is really recent.
318
00:14:24,510 --> 00:14:27,660
She says that
if she would not have died,
319
00:14:27,695 --> 00:14:30,012
none of this would be going on.
320
00:14:30,047 --> 00:14:32,295
I'm gonna say
that she lived here.
321
00:14:32,330 --> 00:14:34,300
She was cooking
and cleaning all the time.
322
00:14:34,335 --> 00:14:37,000
She's slamming,
slamming, slamming,
323
00:14:37,035 --> 00:14:39,635
banging, banging, banging.
324
00:14:39,670 --> 00:14:43,070
She says she keeps
trying to leave.
325
00:14:43,105 --> 00:14:45,710
But she says someone keeps --
326
00:14:45,745 --> 00:14:46,840
living person --
327
00:14:46,850 --> 00:14:50,610
a living person
keeps pulling her back,
328
00:14:50,620 --> 00:14:54,250
keeps calling her back.
329
00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,540
This is a living female
doing this to her.
330
00:15:00,575 --> 00:15:03,760
She's sleeping.
Living lady's sleeping.
331
00:15:03,795 --> 00:15:06,195
She goes into her dream.
332
00:15:06,230 --> 00:15:08,900
And she gives
the living woman nightmares.
333
00:15:08,935 --> 00:15:09,865
She's pissed.
334
00:15:09,900 --> 00:15:12,640
She feels
like she's being tortured.
335
00:15:12,675 --> 00:15:15,100
She says that they know her,
336
00:15:15,110 --> 00:15:16,375
that they know her.
337
00:15:16,410 --> 00:15:17,610
They know she's here.
338
00:15:17,645 --> 00:15:19,062
They know she's here.
339
00:15:19,097 --> 00:15:20,445
They know she's here.
340
00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,145
"Why won't they let me go?
341
00:15:22,180 --> 00:15:23,810
Why won't they let me go?
342
00:15:23,820 --> 00:15:26,120
They know I'm here.
343
00:15:26,155 --> 00:15:27,180
Let me go.
344
00:15:27,190 --> 00:15:28,890
Let me go."
345
00:15:42,230 --> 00:15:43,395
Well, obviously,
the first thing
346
00:15:43,430 --> 00:15:45,500
I'm gonna look into
is this murder-suicide.
347
00:15:45,535 --> 00:15:46,865
Now, John gave me a lot
348
00:15:46,900 --> 00:15:50,110
of good information about
why his uncle might've snapped.
349
00:15:50,145 --> 00:15:53,575
But I wanna know exactly
what happened that day.
350
00:15:53,610 --> 00:15:56,050
I'm heading over to meet with
a Jacksonville medical examiner
351
00:15:56,085 --> 00:15:59,150
who's gonna take me through
the crime second by second.
352
00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,785
The murder takes place
September 19, 2005.
353
00:16:06,820 --> 00:16:09,555
Can you take me through that,
exactly what happened?
354
00:16:09,590 --> 00:16:14,330
Apparently, the sister, Becky,
is sitting on the recliner.
355
00:16:14,365 --> 00:16:16,865
Jack comes up behind her
356
00:16:16,900 --> 00:16:20,705
and shoots her one time
in the back of her head.
357
00:16:20,740 --> 00:16:24,510
And she probably turns
to see what happened.
358
00:16:24,545 --> 00:16:26,280
And then,
she takes a second shot
359
00:16:26,315 --> 00:16:29,375
to her left temple area.
360
00:16:29,410 --> 00:16:32,215
Based on the crime scene
photographs,
361
00:16:32,250 --> 00:16:35,170
it doesn't seem
like she moved anywhere.
362
00:16:35,205 --> 00:16:38,090
She just died right there
in the recliner.
363
00:16:41,860 --> 00:16:43,490
The woman
who is being trapped here
364
00:16:43,525 --> 00:16:45,625
won't talk about her death.
365
00:16:45,660 --> 00:16:47,200
She's, like,
really trying to block me
366
00:16:47,235 --> 00:16:48,860
from getting how she died.
367
00:16:48,870 --> 00:16:50,550
She said...
368
00:16:50,585 --> 00:16:52,230
Let's just say,
369
00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,570
like, her death was
a freak accident.
370
00:16:55,605 --> 00:16:57,672
Um, she was young.
371
00:16:57,707 --> 00:16:59,740
She was only, 52.
372
00:16:59,775 --> 00:17:01,327
It's wicked bad.
373
00:17:01,362 --> 00:17:02,880
She wants to leave.
374
00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:06,020
All right,
so she basically didn't even
375
00:17:06,055 --> 00:17:07,080
know what hit her?
376
00:17:07,115 --> 00:17:08,185
Probably not.
377
00:17:08,220 --> 00:17:10,350
Well, Jack --
how does he kill himself?
378
00:17:10,385 --> 00:17:12,585
He shoots himself
in the mouth.
379
00:17:12,620 --> 00:17:15,190
And the bullet
comes out the top of his head,
380
00:17:15,225 --> 00:17:17,025
like you see right here.
381
00:17:17,060 --> 00:17:21,030
And then, he falls back
and dies in that hallway.
382
00:17:21,065 --> 00:17:21,895
Okay, so, Doctor,
383
00:17:21,930 --> 00:17:24,100
I'm assuming
a toxicology was done?
384
00:17:24,135 --> 00:17:25,030
Yes.
385
00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,175
He had
multiple medications.
386
00:17:27,210 --> 00:17:29,275
They were not
illegal drugs
387
00:17:29,310 --> 00:17:31,970
or drugs of abuse
that were in his system.
388
00:17:31,980 --> 00:17:34,040
Do we know
what he was taking drugs for?
389
00:17:34,050 --> 00:17:35,640
He suffered from PTSD,
390
00:17:35,650 --> 00:17:39,010
because he was
in the Vietnam War.
391
00:17:39,020 --> 00:17:41,320
Apparently, he was
a helicopter pilot
392
00:17:41,355 --> 00:17:43,015
and was shot down twice.
393
00:17:43,050 --> 00:17:45,050
Okay.
In addition, he was depressed.
394
00:17:45,060 --> 00:17:47,425
He suffered from
Parkinson's disease.
395
00:17:47,460 --> 00:17:50,930
He had a heart condition --
apparently, had a heart attack
396
00:17:50,965 --> 00:17:54,030
prior to him coming to live
with his sister,
397
00:17:54,065 --> 00:17:55,530
who was gonna
take care of him.
398
00:17:55,565 --> 00:17:56,765
And do we have any idea
399
00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,270
why he might have wanted
to kill his sister?
400
00:17:59,305 --> 00:18:02,940
His mother had signed over
the deed of the house
401
00:18:02,975 --> 00:18:04,405
to his sister.
402
00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,080
And this right here
is the deed.
403
00:18:08,750 --> 00:18:10,450
So he got cut out
altogether.
404
00:18:10,485 --> 00:18:11,815
That's correct.
405
00:18:11,850 --> 00:18:16,050
He had, um, what we interpret
to be a suicide note.
406
00:18:16,085 --> 00:18:17,722
This is very brief.
407
00:18:17,757 --> 00:18:19,458
He says he's depressed.
408
00:18:19,493 --> 00:18:21,125
"Becky is mean to us."
409
00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,560
And then, he says
he didn't want any CPR.
410
00:18:23,595 --> 00:18:25,595
He didn't want
any resuscitation.
411
00:18:25,630 --> 00:18:28,260
So he wanted to make sure
that he would die.
412
00:18:32,970 --> 00:18:36,170
I feel like he had a lot
to do with this house
413
00:18:36,205 --> 00:18:38,505
'cause he's like,
414
00:18:38,540 --> 00:18:41,140
"Get the **** out."
415
00:18:41,150 --> 00:18:43,580
The angry dead man
who attacks the living
416
00:18:43,615 --> 00:18:46,050
is following me everywhere I go.
417
00:18:46,085 --> 00:18:47,715
He's furious that I'm here.
418
00:18:47,750 --> 00:18:49,320
But I'm not leaving
until I find out
419
00:18:49,355 --> 00:18:51,207
who he was in life.
420
00:18:51,242 --> 00:18:53,025
He had a heart attack.
421
00:18:53,060 --> 00:18:56,060
Feel like he started dying here
or died here.
422
00:18:56,095 --> 00:18:58,260
Feel like he was in wars.
423
00:18:58,295 --> 00:19:00,595
He fought in wars.
424
00:19:00,630 --> 00:19:03,570
And he had injuries
or something.
425
00:19:03,605 --> 00:19:07,440
His legs feel...so weird...
426
00:19:09,510 --> 00:19:13,745
...like, burning,
like, they're on fire.
427
00:19:13,780 --> 00:19:17,980
He is angry, angry,
angry, angry, angry.
428
00:19:23,850 --> 00:19:25,155
If you need us
to investigate
429
00:19:25,190 --> 00:19:27,055
unexplained activity
in your home,
430
00:19:27,090 --> 00:19:29,440
go to the "Dead Files" page
at travelchannel.com.
431
00:19:29,475 --> 00:19:31,790
Click on "Help Me, Dead Files!"
to submit your story.
432
00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:32,760
And we'll help if we can.
433
00:19:40,250 --> 00:19:43,090
So far, I've got clients
being physically assaulted
434
00:19:43,125 --> 00:19:45,527
in a house where
a murder-suicide took place.
435
00:19:45,562 --> 00:19:47,930
But I need to see
if there's anything else
436
00:19:47,965 --> 00:19:49,930
that's gonna help
my investigation.
437
00:19:52,300 --> 00:19:54,085
Reading two old
newspaper articles,
438
00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:55,835
I find one of
the original owners
439
00:19:55,870 --> 00:19:58,170
of my clients' property
was a sheriff.
440
00:20:00,010 --> 00:20:02,605
Turns out a local
Syrian couple was murdered.
441
00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,040
And he was caught right in
the middle of the scandal.
442
00:20:05,050 --> 00:20:07,110
So, I'm heading over to meet
with a local professor
443
00:20:07,145 --> 00:20:08,345
who says he's got information
444
00:20:08,380 --> 00:20:09,850
that will definitely
help my case.
445
00:20:17,060 --> 00:20:18,560
The sheriff that lived
on my clients' property,
446
00:20:18,595 --> 00:20:19,755
what can you
tell me about him?
447
00:20:19,790 --> 00:20:23,160
Sheriff Wiley "Babe" Douglass,
born in 1885.
448
00:20:23,195 --> 00:20:26,062
He became chief of police
in the city in 1920.
449
00:20:26,097 --> 00:20:28,930
He must have been very popular,
very charismatic
450
00:20:28,940 --> 00:20:31,840
because he ran
for sheriff and won.
451
00:20:31,875 --> 00:20:33,975
This is him
in his uniform
452
00:20:34,010 --> 00:20:36,245
shortly after
winning that election.
453
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,330
What kind of sheriff
was he, though?
454
00:20:38,365 --> 00:20:40,380
I mean,
what are we talking about?
455
00:20:40,415 --> 00:20:42,715
Well, he was corrupt.
456
00:20:42,750 --> 00:20:45,950
Sheriff Douglass was accused
of bootlegging,
457
00:20:45,985 --> 00:20:48,055
running gambling
operations.
458
00:20:48,090 --> 00:20:50,560
And he was also accused
of selling young women
459
00:20:50,595 --> 00:20:52,290
into prostitution.
460
00:20:52,325 --> 00:20:53,455
Geez.
461
00:20:53,490 --> 00:20:54,990
Why exactly does he come onto
my clients' property?
462
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,395
Do we know that?
463
00:20:56,430 --> 00:20:59,930
Well, Steve, he purchases
your clients' property in 1928.
464
00:20:59,965 --> 00:21:01,200
All right.
So let's get to the murders.
465
00:21:01,235 --> 00:21:02,435
What exactly happened?
466
00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:05,140
The Romey family,
they're a successful,
467
00:21:05,175 --> 00:21:07,492
Syrian family,
immigrants.
468
00:21:07,527 --> 00:21:09,775
They own
a small produce store.
469
00:21:09,810 --> 00:21:13,310
The Romeys' son, Esau,
is involved in an auto accident.
470
00:21:13,345 --> 00:21:16,145
And the mother, Fannie Romey,
doesn't like the way
471
00:21:16,180 --> 00:21:19,920
that the city chief of police
handled the investigation.
472
00:21:19,955 --> 00:21:22,960
And so she contacts
the chief of police.
473
00:21:22,995 --> 00:21:24,225
She calls him a liar.
474
00:21:24,260 --> 00:21:25,525
Back then,
you didn't call
475
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,290
the chief of police
in any Florida city a liar.
476
00:21:29,300 --> 00:21:31,535
Okay.
So what happens next?
477
00:21:31,570 --> 00:21:33,735
Well, Steve,
on May 17, 1929,
478
00:21:33,770 --> 00:21:38,735
the chief of police goes to
the Romeys' store,
479
00:21:38,770 --> 00:21:41,840
with two of his men and also
one of Sheriff Douglass' men.
480
00:21:41,875 --> 00:21:43,075
Okay.
481
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:45,180
But Douglass is not at the scene
when this all goes down.
482
00:21:45,215 --> 00:21:46,245
That's correct.
483
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,180
All right, so when they show up,
what happens?
484
00:21:48,215 --> 00:21:49,867
There's
a huge altercation.
485
00:21:49,902 --> 00:21:51,485
They actually take
Mr. Romey,
486
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,215
and they actually
pistol-whip him.
487
00:21:53,250 --> 00:21:56,305
And he's knocked unconscious.
He's on the ground.
488
00:21:56,340 --> 00:21:59,360
At that point, Mrs. Romey
comes into the store.
489
00:21:59,395 --> 00:22:00,725
She panics.
490
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,500
She grabs a pistol the family
has kept as shopkeepers.
491
00:22:03,535 --> 00:22:06,317
And she actually
shoots the chief,
492
00:22:06,352 --> 00:22:09,065
wounds him,
not seriously.
493
00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:11,040
Then the police return fire.
She's killed.
494
00:22:11,075 --> 00:22:12,400
And at that time,
495
00:22:12,410 --> 00:22:15,670
the police didn't know this,
but she actually was pregnant.
496
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,395
Geez.
All right.
497
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:19,075
And so at that point,
498
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:22,910
the police pull her husband,
Mr. Romey,
499
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,380
Nola Romey,
out of the store.
500
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:27,290
They pull the son, Esau,
out of the store, as well.
501
00:22:27,325 --> 00:22:31,055
They actually bring them
to separate jails.
502
00:22:31,090 --> 00:22:35,290
Later that evening, a mob
comes to the city jail.
503
00:22:35,300 --> 00:22:37,295
They abduct Mr. Romey.
504
00:22:37,330 --> 00:22:39,365
They take him
out of the jail.
505
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,465
They shoot him 13 times,
murder him.
506
00:22:42,500 --> 00:22:44,670
These were some articles
I found on the case.
507
00:22:47,070 --> 00:22:48,240
Even though he wasn't
at either one
508
00:22:48,275 --> 00:22:50,275
of these crime scenes,
509
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:52,845
his culpability is --
is pretty high.
510
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,080
And, got away
with, basically, murder.
511
00:22:55,115 --> 00:22:57,245
So after all is said and done,
is,
512
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,720
Babe still on my clients'
property at this point?
513
00:22:59,755 --> 00:23:01,987
He is on
your clients' property
514
00:23:02,022 --> 00:23:04,185
until the day he dies
in 1947.
515
00:23:04,220 --> 00:23:06,655
And at that point,
he is 61 years old.
516
00:23:06,690 --> 00:23:09,090
He goes out in his car.
He's driving.
517
00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:10,960
He has a heart attack
and dies.
518
00:23:10,995 --> 00:23:11,960
Okay.
519
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,970
I'm seeing
that red-orange thing again.
520
00:23:19,005 --> 00:23:21,305
He's, like, really racist,
521
00:23:21,340 --> 00:23:24,680
which is weird
'cause he's, like, not human.
522
00:23:24,715 --> 00:23:27,317
Who is it racist towards?
523
00:23:27,352 --> 00:23:29,920
I think really everybody.
524
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,320
This thing,
he gloats about how,
525
00:23:38,330 --> 00:23:40,925
when he first came here,
526
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:46,130
he was able to influence
and manipulate men.
527
00:23:46,165 --> 00:23:49,200
He would, like, do ****
to people.
528
00:23:50,740 --> 00:23:54,870
Like, cause them to turn
against each other, death,
529
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,240
fighting and --
and all this kind of bad ****
530
00:23:58,250 --> 00:24:01,165
mostly people
killing other people.
531
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,080
But he had
a great success rate.
532
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:09,760
You know, one other thing caught
my attention in research --
533
00:24:09,795 --> 00:24:11,555
A woman who used to live
on the property
534
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:14,225
died in a fire
right on Regina and John's land.
535
00:24:14,260 --> 00:24:16,825
I'm heading over to meet
with a local genealogist
536
00:24:16,860 --> 00:24:20,030
who says that tragedy could
have been easily prevented.
537
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:25,605
Why'd you bring me here?
538
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,870
This house is very similar
to the house
539
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,110
that Louisa Smith Markham
lived in
540
00:24:30,145 --> 00:24:32,045
when she died
from the fire.
541
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,580
What about the fire?
What happened?
542
00:24:33,615 --> 00:24:36,545
So in 1886,
Louisa, um,
543
00:24:36,580 --> 00:24:39,420
was taking care of the youngest
child, who was Elton.
544
00:24:39,455 --> 00:24:42,820
He was severely ill,
had, a real bad cold.
545
00:24:42,855 --> 00:24:44,720
So she bundled him up
and was --
546
00:24:44,730 --> 00:24:48,030
was sitting at the rocking chair
in front of the fire.
547
00:24:48,065 --> 00:24:51,900
Well, her nightgown
caught on fire.
548
00:24:51,935 --> 00:24:55,030
And as that occurred,
549
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,770
the first instinct
of a mother, of course,
550
00:24:56,805 --> 00:24:57,987
is to save the child.
551
00:24:58,022 --> 00:24:59,135
Right.
Which she did.
552
00:24:59,170 --> 00:25:01,540
She got Elton
away from her.
553
00:25:01,575 --> 00:25:02,905
And by that time,
554
00:25:02,940 --> 00:25:06,745
she was completely engulfed
in flames, screaming.
555
00:25:06,780 --> 00:25:08,980
The house is very small.
Everybody would have seen it.
556
00:25:09,015 --> 00:25:10,085
It was so tragic
557
00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:12,920
because the children
would have seen her die.
558
00:25:12,955 --> 00:25:14,550
How old was she
when she died?
559
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,450
She was 32.
560
00:25:16,460 --> 00:25:18,790
They're lucky that the whole
house didn't burn down.
561
00:25:18,825 --> 00:25:20,560
So she was a hero, really.
She saved the kid.
562
00:25:20,595 --> 00:25:21,360
Right.
563
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,620
I saw several disturbing things
on my walk.
564
00:25:31,655 --> 00:25:34,840
But what really concerned me
was the angry man
565
00:25:34,875 --> 00:25:37,827
attacking a living woman.
566
00:25:37,862 --> 00:25:40,780
He was an elderly man...
567
00:25:40,815 --> 00:25:43,385
pretty much bald.
568
00:25:43,420 --> 00:25:47,785
He has, like, a big belly.
569
00:25:47,820 --> 00:25:51,360
He was, like, pushing her head
into the wall.
570
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,200
Was this what you saw?
571
00:25:59,235 --> 00:26:00,670
Yes.
572
00:26:20,340 --> 00:26:22,970
Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
573
00:26:23,005 --> 00:26:24,235
we're ready
to reveal our findings
574
00:26:24,270 --> 00:26:28,140
to each other and our clients
for the first time.
575
00:26:28,150 --> 00:26:31,350
Amy, I want you to meet
Regina and her husband, John.
576
00:26:31,385 --> 00:26:34,515
Now, here's the issue --
Regina can't have children.
577
00:26:34,550 --> 00:26:38,585
So she's always filled the house
here with nieces and nephews.
578
00:26:38,620 --> 00:26:42,620
But the activity's gotten so
violent, they won't come over.
579
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:44,390
And Regina doesn't even
know if it's safe
580
00:26:44,425 --> 00:26:46,225
for them to live here.
581
00:26:46,260 --> 00:26:48,830
So with that being said,
I'm gonna turn it over to Amy
582
00:26:48,865 --> 00:26:50,770
and have her talk
about her walk.
583
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,055
When I first arrived,
584
00:26:57,090 --> 00:27:00,475
I saw this being outside.
585
00:27:00,510 --> 00:27:04,615
And it's very
strange-looking, very tall.
586
00:27:04,650 --> 00:27:07,350
And it was also --
The color of it was interesting
587
00:27:07,385 --> 00:27:10,050
because it was kind of
like a reddish orange.
588
00:27:10,085 --> 00:27:14,955
This entity cannot get
into the house.
589
00:27:14,990 --> 00:27:17,630
To him, or to it,
something or somebody
590
00:27:17,665 --> 00:27:20,360
put up a barrier
around this property
591
00:27:20,395 --> 00:27:22,960
that is keeping him out.
592
00:27:22,970 --> 00:27:26,600
And because of that,
he's become very obsessed
593
00:27:26,635 --> 00:27:31,010
and fixated
on finding a way in.
594
00:27:31,045 --> 00:27:32,670
I saged the house.
595
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:33,445
Okay.
596
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:34,640
I salted the yard.
597
00:27:34,650 --> 00:27:36,410
Now, would that be
what's keeping him out?
598
00:27:36,445 --> 00:27:37,880
Yes, so, then,
more than likely,
599
00:27:37,915 --> 00:27:39,810
that's probably
the barrier
600
00:27:39,820 --> 00:27:43,355
that is keeping
him at bay.
601
00:27:43,390 --> 00:27:46,960
Even though he can't get
into the home,
602
00:27:46,995 --> 00:27:50,495
he can follow you
off of the property.
603
00:27:50,530 --> 00:27:55,700
I saw him get into a vehicle
with a living person.
604
00:27:55,735 --> 00:27:58,252
And when
he travels with you,
605
00:27:58,287 --> 00:28:00,228
he kind of
shrinks himself down
606
00:28:00,263 --> 00:28:02,166
so he has little arms,
little legs.
607
00:28:02,201 --> 00:28:04,405
But they're
very, like, strong.
608
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,575
My concern
with him doing that is
609
00:28:06,610 --> 00:28:09,680
that he could cause you
to have a car accident.
610
00:28:09,715 --> 00:28:11,397
Well,
that's pretty interesting.
611
00:28:11,432 --> 00:28:13,656
We got a lot
to discuss now.
612
00:28:13,691 --> 00:28:15,880
Why don't you
tell Amy, Regina,
613
00:28:15,890 --> 00:28:19,050
about the shadow figure
that rushed you outside?
614
00:28:19,060 --> 00:28:22,660
There was a dark,
6- footish figure,
615
00:28:22,695 --> 00:28:23,912
black, black, black.
616
00:28:23,947 --> 00:28:25,130
And it charged at me.
617
00:28:25,165 --> 00:28:27,760
I'm like, "No.
618
00:28:27,795 --> 00:28:28,612
Go away."
619
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:31,335
And it vanished.
620
00:28:31,370 --> 00:28:32,565
Now, Regina has a problem
621
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,700
where she actually sleeps facing
the wall because...
622
00:28:35,710 --> 00:28:38,940
'Cause I feel
like I'm being watched.
623
00:28:38,975 --> 00:28:41,362
that could be him.
624
00:28:41,397 --> 00:28:43,715
He's ob-- obsessed.
625
00:28:43,750 --> 00:28:46,845
What's unusual
about it was
626
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,785
that there was no recollection
of where he originated from.
627
00:28:50,820 --> 00:28:54,690
He stated that he's never
been human, ever.
628
00:28:57,290 --> 00:29:01,230
Even though he's never
been human, he's a racist.
629
00:29:01,265 --> 00:29:05,930
I'm not exactly certain
what it is.
630
00:29:05,940 --> 00:29:07,970
Um, but I would say,
you know,
631
00:29:08,005 --> 00:29:10,510
possibly a demon.
632
00:29:10,545 --> 00:29:11,370
Not good.
633
00:29:11,380 --> 00:29:12,770
I thought
it was evil.
634
00:29:12,780 --> 00:29:15,775
It was dark,
very dark.
635
00:29:15,810 --> 00:29:19,515
He was saying that he was able
to influence men
636
00:29:19,550 --> 00:29:23,220
to kill one another
and wants that to continue.
637
00:29:23,255 --> 00:29:24,620
But he's a racist
in general.
638
00:29:24,655 --> 00:29:26,250
Yes.
639
00:29:26,260 --> 00:29:28,420
A lot of what you're saying
makes me think about a man
640
00:29:28,430 --> 00:29:29,960
that actually lived
on your property
641
00:29:29,995 --> 00:29:32,390
from the '20s to the '40s.
642
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,165
And his name was
Wiley Douglass.
643
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,885
Everybody knew him
as "Babe."
644
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,570
I actually got
a photo of him.
645
00:29:41,270 --> 00:29:42,900
He became
the county sheriff.
646
00:29:42,910 --> 00:29:45,640
And in 1929,
there was a Syrian family
647
00:29:45,675 --> 00:29:47,910
in town
known as the Romey family
648
00:29:47,945 --> 00:29:49,010
that ran a grocery store.
649
00:29:49,045 --> 00:29:51,015
It was real nearby.
650
00:29:51,050 --> 00:29:52,110
Now, the kid
of the family
651
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:53,715
got into some kind
of a car accident.
652
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:55,880
And they didn't like the way
the police handled it.
653
00:29:55,890 --> 00:29:58,950
So now, the mom, Fannie,
calls the chief of police
654
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,120
to complain about
how they handled things.
655
00:30:01,155 --> 00:30:02,925
And she basically
called him a liar.
656
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,630
Well, that didn't sit too well
with the guys.
657
00:30:04,665 --> 00:30:06,595
On May 17, 1929,
658
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:08,260
the police chief,
two deputies
659
00:30:08,270 --> 00:30:10,770
and one of the sheriff's
deputies go to the store.
660
00:30:10,805 --> 00:30:12,630
So now, when the cops
entered the location,
661
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,725
they pistol-whipped
the dad, Nola,
662
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,775
and knocked him out
to the ground.
663
00:30:16,810 --> 00:30:19,540
The mom, Fannie, saw her husband
lying on the ground,
664
00:30:19,575 --> 00:30:20,745
thought he was dead.
665
00:30:20,780 --> 00:30:24,410
She picked up the gun
they kept in the store.
666
00:30:24,445 --> 00:30:26,410
And she
shot at the police.
667
00:30:26,420 --> 00:30:28,980
The police returned fire
and killed her.
668
00:30:28,990 --> 00:30:31,950
Now, this is
where it gets really screwed-up.
669
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,875
The son and Nola were arrested
and brought to separate jails.
670
00:30:35,910 --> 00:30:39,790
Now get this -- That night,
a mob comes in, drags out Nola.
671
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,595
And they shot him
13 times.
672
00:30:41,630 --> 00:30:44,600
And then they dumped his body
in some farm,
673
00:30:44,635 --> 00:30:46,670
wind up making
national news.
674
00:30:48,970 --> 00:30:51,570
So, now, could any of that,
what happened,
675
00:30:51,580 --> 00:30:54,380
had to do with
this red-orange guy outside?
676
00:30:54,415 --> 00:30:55,875
I do believe that,
677
00:30:55,910 --> 00:30:58,250
more than likely,
he influenced the cop
678
00:30:58,285 --> 00:31:00,515
to make poor decisions
679
00:31:00,550 --> 00:31:03,280
and cause
the deaths of others.
680
00:31:06,490 --> 00:31:08,125
So, what else
did you see?
681
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:13,560
The next person that I met
was an interesting character.
682
00:31:13,595 --> 00:31:18,470
She, looks to be,
in her 50s.
683
00:31:18,505 --> 00:31:19,730
She's trying to leave.
684
00:31:19,740 --> 00:31:22,435
But a female here
keeps pulling her back.
685
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:26,540
She said that she's getting
called directly by name.
686
00:31:26,575 --> 00:31:27,945
She said it's torturous,
687
00:31:27,980 --> 00:31:31,880
and she's furious about it
because she wants to leave.
688
00:31:31,915 --> 00:31:34,015
And she said to me
689
00:31:34,050 --> 00:31:38,090
that she goes
into the female's dreams
690
00:31:38,125 --> 00:31:40,085
and gives
this female nightmares.
691
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,260
And she is talking to her
in the dreams,
692
00:31:42,295 --> 00:31:44,547
saying, "Let me go.
693
00:31:44,582 --> 00:31:46,765
Let me go.
Let me go."
694
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,330
Well, you're the only female
that lives in the house.
695
00:31:48,365 --> 00:31:50,595
Right. I have
different bad dreams.
696
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:52,630
I've always
had bad dreams, though.
697
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,740
It's because you're,
more than likely, a medium.
698
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,140
I've always been able
to hear things
699
00:32:01,175 --> 00:32:02,240
and see things
700
00:32:02,250 --> 00:32:05,310
and talk to things
that's not there.
701
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,185
Yeah.
That makes sense.
702
00:32:07,220 --> 00:32:13,450
This dead woman, she also
is capable of slamming doors.
703
00:32:13,460 --> 00:32:16,325
She also has a fixation
in the kitchen.
704
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,690
She showed me her slamming
the oven door and banging it.
705
00:32:19,700 --> 00:32:21,095
Now, John,
706
00:32:21,130 --> 00:32:23,130
you talked to me about noises
you heard in the kitchen, right?
707
00:32:23,165 --> 00:32:24,165
Yes.
708
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,020
I get done with the dishes
and stuff.
709
00:32:26,055 --> 00:32:27,697
And I'll come back
out here and sit.
710
00:32:27,732 --> 00:32:29,340
And it sound
like somebody's in there,
711
00:32:29,375 --> 00:32:31,875
messing with
the dishes.
712
00:32:31,910 --> 00:32:33,640
You think that's
the woman doing that?
713
00:32:33,675 --> 00:32:35,140
I think so.
714
00:32:35,150 --> 00:32:36,440
Now, did you get any idea
715
00:32:36,450 --> 00:32:38,800
who this woman
might have been in life?
716
00:32:38,835 --> 00:32:41,115
I think she might have lived
in this house.
717
00:32:41,150 --> 00:32:43,450
She showed me images
of her cooking and cleaning
718
00:32:43,485 --> 00:32:44,602
all the time.
719
00:32:44,637 --> 00:32:45,685
And I sensed
720
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,920
that someone in this house
knew about her dying.
721
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:52,260
But she wouldn't talk to me
about her death at all.
722
00:32:52,295 --> 00:32:55,495
She kept blocking me
from seeing it.
723
00:32:55,530 --> 00:32:58,130
It's time we tell Amy
about the 1,000-pound gorilla
724
00:32:58,165 --> 00:32:59,765
in the room.
725
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,705
John's mother, Becky,
726
00:33:02,740 --> 00:33:05,370
was murdered right over there,
in that corner.
727
00:33:05,380 --> 00:33:07,375
My goodness.
728
00:33:07,410 --> 00:33:09,840
To make things worse,
729
00:33:09,850 --> 00:33:13,080
the murderer was her brother,
John's Uncle Jack.
730
00:33:13,115 --> 00:33:15,515
Got it.
731
00:33:15,550 --> 00:33:18,785
Now, it happened
on September 19, 2005.
732
00:33:18,820 --> 00:33:21,460
That night, John's mom
was sitting in a chair
733
00:33:21,495 --> 00:33:23,055
right there
734
00:33:23,090 --> 00:33:26,995
when his Uncle Jack
came up this hallway.
735
00:33:27,030 --> 00:33:29,500
He put two bullets
in her head and killed her.
736
00:33:29,535 --> 00:33:31,735
He went halfway
down this hallway here,
737
00:33:31,770 --> 00:33:33,530
put the gun in his mouth,
and shot himself in the head
738
00:33:33,540 --> 00:33:34,840
and killed himself.
739
00:33:34,875 --> 00:33:36,335
My gosh.
740
00:33:36,370 --> 00:33:39,570
John's mom, she was 59 years old
at the time she died.
741
00:33:39,580 --> 00:33:43,380
Tell Amy about your mom,
what kind of woman she was.
742
00:33:43,415 --> 00:33:45,610
Very headstrong,
743
00:33:45,620 --> 00:33:47,950
where if it wasn't her way,
it was the highway.
744
00:33:47,985 --> 00:33:49,115
She'd get mad.
745
00:33:49,150 --> 00:33:52,690
At the snap of a finger,
she'd get mad at anything.
746
00:33:52,725 --> 00:33:54,820
Your uncle, was he ever
in the military?
747
00:33:54,855 --> 00:33:56,790
Yes, he was.
He was in the Army.
748
00:33:56,825 --> 00:33:58,142
He was
a helicopter pilot.
749
00:33:58,177 --> 00:33:59,460
And he was
shot down twice.
750
00:33:59,495 --> 00:34:00,962
My God.
751
00:34:00,997 --> 00:34:02,395
Okay. Got it.
752
00:34:02,430 --> 00:34:07,240
It sounds like you might have
seen Becky, John's mom.
753
00:34:07,275 --> 00:34:08,500
I have a picture of Becky.
754
00:34:08,510 --> 00:34:10,570
Okay. Yeah.
Let me see her.
755
00:34:10,605 --> 00:34:12,370
This is Becky.
756
00:34:12,380 --> 00:34:14,510
Yeah.
That's who I saw.
757
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:18,715
I just don't want her
to be stuck here.
758
00:34:18,750 --> 00:34:20,920
Regina's accidentally
trapping her here, though.
759
00:34:20,955 --> 00:34:22,115
Yes.
760
00:34:22,150 --> 00:34:24,750
Which happens to a lot
of mediums that I meet.
761
00:34:24,785 --> 00:34:29,390
We like to have
dead people around us.
762
00:34:32,030 --> 00:34:34,245
So, then I met
another person.
763
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,460
And it was
in the laundry room.
764
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:42,700
When I walked in there, I felt
that a living person, female,
765
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:48,630
was being violently attacked
by an older, deceased male.
766
00:34:48,665 --> 00:34:53,677
And to me, it was so intense,
it nearly killed this person.
767
00:34:53,712 --> 00:34:58,690
And I think the living person
was, pushed to the ground.
768
00:34:58,725 --> 00:35:03,077
I saw, like,
a pane of glass, um,
769
00:35:03,112 --> 00:35:07,395
break and shatter
onto my head.
770
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:11,030
You know, everybody's getting
attacked here.
771
00:35:11,065 --> 00:35:14,067
I was standing,
looking out the window.
772
00:35:14,102 --> 00:35:17,070
And it felt
like something pushed me,
773
00:35:17,105 --> 00:35:18,275
the middle part
of my leg.
774
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:21,140
And I fell forward
into the four panes of glass
775
00:35:21,175 --> 00:35:22,180
and broke the glass.
776
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:25,980
He's lucky
he didn't cut his wrist open.
777
00:35:26,015 --> 00:35:27,245
Right.
778
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,435
The other night,
I was in there,
779
00:35:29,470 --> 00:35:31,260
taking stuff
out of the dryer.
780
00:35:31,295 --> 00:35:33,050
And it felt
like somebody took
781
00:35:33,060 --> 00:35:37,290
either a very narrow knife
or a sharp blade...
782
00:35:38,190 --> 00:35:39,890
...and hit me
right back here.
783
00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:41,125
I felt it here.
784
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:45,370
And I could feel it
through my skin.
785
00:35:45,405 --> 00:35:48,140
I had a sketch done
of the attack I saw.
786
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:52,070
Should be interesting.
787
00:35:59,350 --> 00:36:01,550
I'm sorry, guys,
to even show you this.
788
00:36:07,490 --> 00:36:09,390
What are you thinking
when you see this?
789
00:36:09,425 --> 00:36:10,395
Jack.
790
00:36:10,430 --> 00:36:12,390
You're thinking
of your Uncle Jack?
791
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,300
That's why
I turned away.
792
00:36:14,335 --> 00:36:15,365
I know you did.
793
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,670
I don't need to see it.
I don't wanna see it.
794
00:36:17,705 --> 00:36:19,030
Can we take him
off the table?
795
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,200
Yeah.
We'll take him off.
796
00:36:22,770 --> 00:36:23,935
There we go.
797
00:36:23,970 --> 00:36:26,170
Did you get anything
about this guy in life?
798
00:36:26,180 --> 00:36:26,970
Yes, I did.
799
00:36:26,980 --> 00:36:28,205
Let's talk about that
800
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:29,745
before we go
jumping the gun.
801
00:36:29,780 --> 00:36:32,780
I got that this male
has extreme issues.
802
00:36:32,815 --> 00:36:34,745
He's incredibly angry.
803
00:36:34,780 --> 00:36:37,815
He was a very tough guy
in life.
804
00:36:37,850 --> 00:36:40,520
I got that he had a heart attack
at some point.
805
00:36:40,555 --> 00:36:43,190
I got that there was
something extremely wrong
806
00:36:43,225 --> 00:36:45,625
with his hips and legs.
807
00:36:45,660 --> 00:36:50,030
It hurt so freaking bad, it felt
like there was fire shooting
808
00:36:50,065 --> 00:36:52,700
through my legs
and into my hips.
809
00:36:52,735 --> 00:36:54,835
I got
that he was in a war
810
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:57,610
and that he had suffered
injuries from that war.
811
00:36:57,645 --> 00:37:00,005
I got that he lived
and died here
812
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,410
and that he was extremely
territorial about this house.
813
00:37:03,445 --> 00:37:06,312
He didn't want me
or anybody else here.
814
00:37:06,347 --> 00:37:09,180
Well, remember when I told you
about John's mom
815
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:11,705
being killed
by her own brother?
816
00:37:11,740 --> 00:37:14,185
Okay.
Now, his name was Jack.
817
00:37:14,220 --> 00:37:17,075
He had a ton of issues,
both mental and physical.
818
00:37:17,110 --> 00:37:19,930
He was a helicopter pilot
in the Vietnam War.
819
00:37:19,965 --> 00:37:21,895
He was shot down twice.
820
00:37:21,930 --> 00:37:24,165
John believes
he suffered from PTSD.
821
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:25,635
He was also
a physical wreck, though.
822
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:28,100
He suffered from Parkinson's
and walked with a walker.
823
00:37:28,135 --> 00:37:29,735
Okay. Got it.
824
00:37:29,770 --> 00:37:30,875
Now, you mentioned before
825
00:37:30,910 --> 00:37:32,540
that you thought he had
a heart attack.
826
00:37:32,575 --> 00:37:33,570
Yes.
827
00:37:33,580 --> 00:37:34,745
He did have
a heart attack.
828
00:37:34,780 --> 00:37:37,550
And that's why John's mom
told him to move in here,
829
00:37:37,585 --> 00:37:39,610
so she could
take care of him.
830
00:37:39,620 --> 00:37:41,380
Now, the family thinks
there's a couple of reasons
831
00:37:41,415 --> 00:37:42,980
that he might have snapped.
832
00:37:42,990 --> 00:37:45,850
PTSD was the main reason.
833
00:37:45,860 --> 00:37:48,520
Through the fact
that their mother, Dorothy,
834
00:37:48,530 --> 00:37:52,490
was giving the house to Becky
and not to Jack.
835
00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:53,760
The territorial.
836
00:37:53,795 --> 00:37:54,925
Okay. Yeah.
837
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,400
Do you have any doubts
that it could be him?
838
00:37:57,435 --> 00:37:58,217
No.
839
00:37:58,252 --> 00:37:58,965
Okay.
840
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,265
Absolutely not.
841
00:38:00,300 --> 00:38:01,600
Absolutely not.
842
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,490
Why is he being
so violent?
843
00:38:05,525 --> 00:38:07,940
He still wants
the house.
844
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:10,880
He wants this for him.
845
00:38:12,620 --> 00:38:13,620
He coulda killed you.
846
00:38:13,655 --> 00:38:14,620
Yes, he could have.
847
00:38:37,590 --> 00:38:40,020
So, John,
your family lived here.
848
00:38:40,030 --> 00:38:41,155
They died here.
849
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:43,500
And, apparently,
they're still here.
850
00:38:43,535 --> 00:38:45,195
Question is,
how can we move them on
851
00:38:45,230 --> 00:38:47,930
and take care of this thing
outside and to get your lives
852
00:38:47,965 --> 00:38:50,540
back to where there's children
in this house again?
853
00:38:50,575 --> 00:38:52,340
For that, I'm gonna
turn it over to Amy.
854
00:38:56,210 --> 00:38:57,975
I do think
855
00:38:58,010 --> 00:39:06,220
that thing outside is
a...agent of chaos.
856
00:39:06,255 --> 00:39:08,937
I think
he may have influenced
857
00:39:08,972 --> 00:39:11,620
what happened
in your family.
858
00:39:11,630 --> 00:39:14,825
That being said,
I'm very happy
859
00:39:14,860 --> 00:39:17,600
that you had the insight
and wherewithal
860
00:39:17,635 --> 00:39:19,160
to put down that salt.
861
00:39:19,170 --> 00:39:21,835
But this sucker
is tenacious.
862
00:39:21,870 --> 00:39:24,690
And he will get in
eventually.
863
00:39:24,725 --> 00:39:27,510
The first thing
that needs to be done
864
00:39:27,545 --> 00:39:29,705
is the removal
of the dead.
865
00:39:29,740 --> 00:39:33,240
A medium needs
to come into the home.
866
00:39:33,250 --> 00:39:36,950
On the first visit, the medium
needs to take care of the dead
867
00:39:36,985 --> 00:39:38,250
that you don't know.
868
00:39:38,285 --> 00:39:39,185
Okay.
869
00:39:39,220 --> 00:39:41,550
The second visit
is going to be
870
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,975
to assist your mother,
um, to move on,
871
00:39:45,010 --> 00:39:48,390
and then,
once that's been completed,
872
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,525
to move on
to your uncle.
873
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:56,015
I need for you to recall
two really good memories
874
00:39:56,050 --> 00:40:01,470
about your uncle
and give those to the medium
875
00:40:01,505 --> 00:40:04,392
because it's only
through those memories
876
00:40:04,427 --> 00:40:07,280
that she'll be able
to reach him.
877
00:40:07,315 --> 00:40:09,750
Now, this is
very important.
878
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,420
Okay.
879
00:40:18,430 --> 00:40:21,145
Hold on for a second.
880
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,340
You seem
a little shocked.
881
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:33,100
I think he is.
882
00:40:33,110 --> 00:40:34,640
- You okay to let go?
- Yes.
883
00:40:34,675 --> 00:40:35,705
Okay.
884
00:40:35,740 --> 00:40:38,480
'Cause you don't want them
to be here.
885
00:40:38,515 --> 00:40:40,080
You want her to...
Move on.
886
00:40:40,115 --> 00:40:41,715
Okay. Good.
887
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:43,645
The entity is next.
888
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,320
What needs to be done
with that situation
889
00:40:47,355 --> 00:40:50,425
is a priest
needs to come,
890
00:40:50,460 --> 00:40:54,310
needs to exorcise
the outside of your house
891
00:40:54,345 --> 00:40:58,125
and then do a blessing
outside of your home.
892
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:04,100
It's going to keep
all negativity out forever.
893
00:41:04,135 --> 00:41:05,935
So, once all these steps
are done,
894
00:41:05,970 --> 00:41:08,725
they should feel a difference
in the house, right?
895
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,480
Yeah. You'll feel
a substantial difference.
896
00:41:11,515 --> 00:41:13,380
This is
pretty freaking good news.
897
00:41:13,415 --> 00:41:14,815
Definitely.
898
00:41:14,850 --> 00:41:18,220
We can have the kids
to come over and play, you know?
899
00:41:19,290 --> 00:41:21,585
I'm glad you guys
called us in.
900
00:41:21,620 --> 00:41:24,090
You know, it broke my heart
listening to your story.
901
00:41:24,125 --> 00:41:26,560
But now you can go from
the house of basically the dead
902
00:41:26,595 --> 00:41:29,530
to the house of a happy,
living family.
903
00:41:29,565 --> 00:41:30,295
Yeah.
904
00:41:32,830 --> 00:41:35,400
I cannot imagine the pain
John and Regina feel
905
00:41:35,435 --> 00:41:37,540
knowing they have
deceased family members
906
00:41:37,575 --> 00:41:39,635
inside their home.
907
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:41,510
But I believe
if they follow my advice,
908
00:41:41,545 --> 00:41:42,775
they can set them free
909
00:41:42,810 --> 00:41:45,240
and banish the demon outside
forever.
910
00:41:45,290 --> 00:41:49,840
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