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Their souls can't leave.
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It's like
there's a war here.
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This could manipulate
living people
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into harming one another.
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Get the freak outta my head.
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It could kill them.
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Turns the ignition to the car,
and the whole car blows up.
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What the **** is happening?
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There's something very wrong
with this land.
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I just hear death.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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God.
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He was like,
"I'm going to get you."
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I see dead people.
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Her face was all demonic.
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I speak to dead people...
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He's like, "You think you can
stop me? Because you can't."
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...and they speak to me.
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- What is he trying to do?
- Kill them.
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But there's only one way
to know if my findings are real.
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Something happened.
Bam, bam, bam.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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Am I seeing
what I think I'm seeing?
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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- They're everywhere.
- It's my job to reveal them.
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This guy's got the markings
of a serial killer.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation...
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...until the very end...
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Is this dead guy
doin' that to her?
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...when we uncover if
it's safe for you to stay...
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That's it.
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...or time to get out.
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Somebody is gonna die
over there soon. Yeah.
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I'm in Youngstown, Ohio.
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It's a struggling city about
75 miles east of Cleveland.
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Now, I got a call
from a woman named Lorie.
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Her story broke my heart.
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She has stage IV cancer
and she knows she's gonna die.
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But she believes there are
forces inside the house
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trying to rip her family apart.
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Her dying wish
is to kick those spirits out
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and have her family
live there in peace.
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I really hope we can help
this woman out.
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Before Amy arrives,
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I clear the house
of any leading information.
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Family photographs, mementos
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and even
Native American artifacts
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need to be covered or removed.
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When I'm finished,
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the location will be ready
for tonight's walk.
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So this is very strange.
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The thing about this land
is that the dead can't die here.
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Their souls can't leave.
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A lot of 'em are roamin' around.
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And they occasionally
are walking around in --
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in through the house.
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You see? They're trapped.
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So there's something
very wrong with this land.
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I know this is tough
to talk about,
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but you have
stage IV cancer.
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Yes.
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The chances of me
living through this...
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It's not gonna happen.
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The doctor said
2 months to live.
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So the time I have,
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I need
to make this house safe.
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That's why we needed you.
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It's heartbreaking.
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But yet, you...
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you're more concerned about
everybody else but yourself.
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Well, of course.
They're my family.
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I'm a Christian.
I know where I'm going.
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It's okay.
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It's just...
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I don't wanna
leave my family this way.
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It's like
there's a war here.
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I have to live
until it is done.
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Who exactly lives
in the house now?
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My husband and I.
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My daughter, um...
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moved out recently.
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She can't live here.
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The house basically
drove her out.
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Okay. Do you know any history
about the house?
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My daughter was here
with her fiancé Marcus,
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and he passed away
in the living room.
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How long ago was this?
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- Three, 4 years ago.
- Okay.
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What did he die of?
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Um, some type
of heart condition.
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So I'll look into that.
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Lorie, how long have
you guys lived here?
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- About 19 years.
- Okay.
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Did you ever talk
to the previous owners,
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if they've had problems
or anything like that?
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My mama owned this home,
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and she gave it to us
shortly after we got married.
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Is your mom still alive?
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No. She, um...
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- This her here?
- Yes.
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- When'd she pass?
-2008.
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- How old was she?
-78.
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What'd she die of?
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Breast cancer.
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So there's a...
older woman here.
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So I guess she recently died
or something.
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She has very,
very short curly hair.
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With her, I get a lotta eights.
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1998 or 2008.
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She was 68.
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She was worried about,
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um, her grandchild.
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She's afraid.
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We've always had activity,
but it's gotten a lot worse.
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What's goin' on
in the house?
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Voices, things moving,
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physical attacks,
and personality changes.
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Okay. What do you mean
by personality changes?
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My husband.
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He's changed so much.
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In what way?
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There's times
when he'll enter a room,
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and he's fine.
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And he comes back,
and he has this glazed mean,
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evil look.
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I'm scared when it happens.
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He'll say something or throw
something or punch something,
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and then he runs outside.
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You don't think it's frustration
about you and your sickness?
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I'm sure he's frustrated,
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but that doesn't cause
the outbursts of evil anger.
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I've even talked to him
about possibly leaving him.
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I mean, we've been together
22 years.
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You break my heart.
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I'm sorry.
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I'm just glad you came
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because I know if anybody
can help, it's you.
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I promise
I'm gonna try my best.
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So I'm definitely
seeing a big blob.
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And it's, like,
moving like a pulse.
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Goes up into the ceiling.
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And then it has veins.
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Like, it looks
like blood vessels.
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What is this thing?
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It's a manifestation
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of all the negativity
that's here.
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Sucked it all in.
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One living person
is being eaten by this thing.
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The weak ones, it gets.
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So they're probably sick
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or they might be dying.
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Losing their personality.
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So psychologically and mentally,
they're kind of, like...
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not them anymore.
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This blob
is the worst thing here.
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So what's goin' on
in the bedroom here?
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I have a statue
that I used to, um,
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have just above my head.
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And I was sleeping,
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and it struck me real hard
in the head.
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Was it on that lower shelf?
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Yes.
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It felt like it was
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picked up and struck me,
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like it was tryin'
to kill me.
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Okay. So anything else happen
in here?
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I was upstairs, um, repacking
a box of Marcus' things
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to give to my daughter.
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Marcus is your daughter's fiancé
who died in the house. Yes.
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And I was grabbed
real hard and held.
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And then I got marks on me.
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What, like human hands
were touching you?
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Yes, like that.
I was grabbed hard.
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And how long did that last,
that feeling?
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About 5 minutes.
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I think it was Marcus
trying to stop me.
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I don't think he wanted
his stuff to leave.
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Okay. So has anything else
physical like that happen?
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I watched my husband
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being shook violently
back and forth.
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And he wakes up finally
and says, "What?"
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And I go, "It wasn't me
that shook you awake."
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Does he suffer from seizures
at all?
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- Never.
- Well, you mentioned earlier
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about your husband's
personality changes.
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What about you?
Have you had any of that?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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I'll be
in the kitchen cooking,
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and I'll get a thought
real strong.
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Somebody talking in my head,
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"Why don't you just take
that knife and put it in there?
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You'll be over."
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And I'm like, "No!"
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How often does this happen?
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Every day.
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Somebody's in
the kitchen cooking.
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And then I see, like,
a knife in my hand.
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And I'm gonna go up
and stab that person.
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This is, like, a vision.
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This blob --
that's what it wants.
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It wants people
to hurt each other
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'cause then it gets bigger.
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It needs to eat to stay alive,
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to grow, to survive.
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So, Roy, I was talkin'
to, Lorie.
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I'm sorry about
what she's goin' through.
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She says that the house
has changed your personality.
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Do you agree with that?
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Yeah. I do.
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So how are you being
affected emotionally?
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Just violent thoughts.
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You know, when you wake up
out of a sound sleep,
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you hear a dog barkin', you know
the dog wants to go out.
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But by the time you get to her
to let her out,
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all you wanna do
is kill her.
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Dog ran from me.
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I wanted to grab her
and choke her.
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I was chasin' her
to kill her.
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Somethin's tellin' me,
"Get outside. Get outside."
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I open the door.
I go outside.
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I'm out there
shaking my head saying,
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"Get the freak
outta my head!"
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It's, like, when it comes
outta me, I'll stand there.
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And I'm, like, "What the hell
is doin' this?"
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But if I coulda got ahold
of that dog, I woulda killed it.
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This thing, it affects everybody
in the house.
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It gives them, um, nightmares.
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And visions
of hurting each other.
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This could actually
manipulate living people
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into harming one another.
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Okay, so as far as experiences
go, have you had any?
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- Bad smells.
- What kinda smell?
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- A smell like death.
- Okay.
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I mean, this is a big house,
and you've got woods everywhere.
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Dead animal, maybe?
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No. There's no dead animals
in my house.
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All right.
Anything else?
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I see shadows all the time.
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Okay.
Where do you see those?
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Mainly downstairs,
watchin' TV.
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You can see 'em run by
the TV.
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Have you ever seen 'em
up here?
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Only once.
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Okay, when was that?
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When I was held down.
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Tell me about what happened.
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Well, I was sleepin'
one night.
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And somethin' woke me up,
and I seen a big, black mass
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over top of me,
holdin' me down.
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It started floatin' back.
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I jumped up outta bed
and I says,
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"Is that all you've got,
you son of a ****?
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Don't you ever touch me
again."
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And then it dissipated.
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- Now you seem angry.
- I am angry.
260
00:12:57,270 --> 00:12:59,900
It's, like, okay,
you wanna pick on me? Fine.
261
00:13:00,010 --> 00:13:02,970
I could...I'll --
I'll handle it. Right.
262
00:13:03,070 --> 00:13:04,910
But when
you start interferin'
263
00:13:05,010 --> 00:13:07,180
and gettin' to my family
and my wife,
264
00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,550
now it's time to do somethin'
and do it now.
265
00:13:10,650 --> 00:13:12,420
Right.
266
00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:16,650
There's this dude.
267
00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,820
He's **** intense.
268
00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,120
İf you're, like,
thinking about him
269
00:13:21,230 --> 00:13:23,360
or talking about him
or anything like that,
270
00:13:23,460 --> 00:13:25,400
he's, like, right on top of you.
271
00:13:28,870 --> 00:13:31,430
I was getting stuff on his wife.
272
00:13:31,540 --> 00:13:32,770
She smells really bad.
273
00:13:32,870 --> 00:13:35,100
I think living people
can smell her.
274
00:13:35,170 --> 00:13:36,840
She does look like
275
00:13:36,940 --> 00:13:39,440
a weird **** version
of a shadow person.
276
00:13:40,950 --> 00:13:44,580
And the thing that she does is,
like, she'll be, like...
277
00:13:44,680 --> 00:13:47,650
at their beds and watching.
278
00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:55,830
So, Kristina, I understand
that you moved out
279
00:13:55,930 --> 00:13:57,630
about 6 months ago.
- Yes.
280
00:13:57,730 --> 00:13:58,760
Okay.
281
00:13:58,860 --> 00:14:00,030
What was the reason for that?
282
00:14:00,130 --> 00:14:02,830
Mostly because of the activity
in the house.
283
00:14:02,930 --> 00:14:05,270
Now I know it's a tough subject
to talk about,
284
00:14:05,370 --> 00:14:08,440
but I understand, um,
your fiancé...
285
00:14:08,540 --> 00:14:10,210
Had passed away in the house.
286
00:14:10,310 --> 00:14:12,310
Yes.
In the living room.
287
00:14:12,380 --> 00:14:13,880
He was my best friend.
288
00:14:13,980 --> 00:14:16,080
It's the hardest thing I've ever
had to go through in my life.
289
00:14:16,180 --> 00:14:17,410
I can imagine.
290
00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,920
I didn't think I was gonna
make it through it.
291
00:14:20,020 --> 00:14:22,820
I know you've had experiences.
So tell me about some of 'em.
292
00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,490
Um, one night I woke up
in the middle of the night,
293
00:14:25,590 --> 00:14:27,960
and there was an old man
standing at the end of my bed
294
00:14:28,090 --> 00:14:29,990
staring at me.
295
00:14:30,100 --> 00:14:32,200
And he was just there
for, like, a couple seconds,
296
00:14:32,300 --> 00:14:33,900
and then he disappeared.
297
00:14:33,970 --> 00:14:35,060
So okay, anything else?
298
00:14:35,170 --> 00:14:37,370
Bad anxiety attacks.
I mean, right now,
299
00:14:37,470 --> 00:14:39,500
I- I'm havin'
a hard time breathing.
300
00:14:39,570 --> 00:14:42,740
I- I just feel like somethin's
really heavy on my chest
301
00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,740
and that my heart
goes outta rhythm.
302
00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,440
And I start sweating
really bad.
303
00:14:47,550 --> 00:14:49,810
- Okay.
- Sometimes I feel overwhelmed,
304
00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,950
like I just wanna
break down crying.
305
00:14:52,050 --> 00:14:53,880
And it's uncontrollable.
306
00:14:56,660 --> 00:15:00,360
This dude would affect
living people,
307
00:15:00,460 --> 00:15:03,130
make them feel a lotta stress.
308
00:15:03,230 --> 00:15:05,700
If anybody would have
a problem with him living-wise,
309
00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,470
it would be any female
in this house.
310
00:15:09,570 --> 00:15:14,500
He probably does bad things
to women here.
311
00:15:17,940 --> 00:15:20,540
Pain. Lots of pain.
312
00:15:20,650 --> 00:15:22,910
My god.
313
00:15:22,980 --> 00:15:25,350
I feel like I have
this pain in my back.
314
00:15:30,220 --> 00:15:33,120
And I feel nauseous, too.
315
00:15:33,190 --> 00:15:35,220
What the **** is happening?
316
00:15:47,970 --> 00:15:49,610
Look, 39-year-old guys
317
00:15:49,710 --> 00:15:51,210
just don't drop dead
of heart attacks.
318
00:15:51,310 --> 00:15:53,010
There's gotta be more to it.
319
00:15:53,110 --> 00:15:56,150
I reached out to Marcus' mom,
who's agreed to speak to me.
320
00:15:56,250 --> 00:15:57,980
She says he did have
a condition,
321
00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,350
and thinks his death
could have been prevented.
322
00:16:06,060 --> 00:16:08,060
I know this is
a tough subject.
323
00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,290
And I understand Marcus
did pass away in the house
324
00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:11,630
I'm investigating.
- Yes.
325
00:16:11,730 --> 00:16:13,360
Before we even get
to any of that stuff,
326
00:16:13,460 --> 00:16:15,030
tell -- tell me about
your son.
327
00:16:15,130 --> 00:16:16,400
This is a picture
of my son.
328
00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:18,330
He's the oldest of five.
329
00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:19,500
Okay.
330
00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,170
Big, lovable guy.
331
00:16:22,270 --> 00:16:24,670
He was like a big kid.
- Okay.
332
00:16:24,780 --> 00:16:27,240
On the phone, you had mentioned
Marcus had a condition.
333
00:16:27,350 --> 00:16:30,450
He had what is called
Atrial Septal Defect,
334
00:16:30,550 --> 00:16:33,250
which is one of
the causes of his death.
335
00:16:33,350 --> 00:16:35,350
It's actually
a hole in the wall
336
00:16:35,450 --> 00:16:38,890
in between the two,
top chambers of the heart.
337
00:16:41,260 --> 00:16:42,830
Did he take it serious?
338
00:16:42,930 --> 00:16:46,900
He did not, you know,
take the best care of himself.
339
00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,570
He, smoked cigarettes
when he was younger.
340
00:16:49,670 --> 00:16:53,200
And, he wasn't one
to work out or anything.
341
00:16:53,270 --> 00:16:54,740
My son was a chef.
342
00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,170
Chefs love food.
- Right.
343
00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,110
They love rich foods.
344
00:16:59,180 --> 00:17:00,780
When's the last time
you had seen him?
345
00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:05,750
Last time I saw him
was Thanksgiving Day, 2011.
346
00:17:05,850 --> 00:17:08,280
Okay. And how soon after that
did he pass?
347
00:17:08,390 --> 00:17:10,620
He passed away
on December 19th.
348
00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,250
I'm assuming
they did an autopsy?
349
00:17:12,360 --> 00:17:15,790
Yes. Here's a copy
of the autopsy report.
350
00:17:15,860 --> 00:17:21,000
The autopsy found that he had
a grossly enlarged heart.
351
00:17:21,070 --> 00:17:22,700
His heart basically
just gave up.
352
00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,700
Okay. Now you think
this could've been prevented.
353
00:17:26,770 --> 00:17:30,040
Had he been going to a doctor
like he should've, yes.
354
00:17:30,140 --> 00:17:33,310
I don't know how a parent could
lose a child. It's devastating.
355
00:17:33,410 --> 00:17:35,110
Very devastating.
356
00:17:35,210 --> 00:17:37,880
Lorie thinks he's still around
the house. How 'bout you?
357
00:17:37,980 --> 00:17:41,780
I do.
He loved Lorie and Roy.
358
00:17:41,890 --> 00:17:43,720
They were like
a second family to him.
359
00:17:43,820 --> 00:17:46,260
I wouldn't be surprised at all
if he is around.
360
00:17:46,360 --> 00:17:49,230
Especially, ya know,
looking after them.
361
00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:03,470
There's, like, a dead guy
in here a lot.
362
00:18:03,540 --> 00:18:05,710
He's a big guy.
He was stocky.
363
00:18:05,810 --> 00:18:08,680
He smoked a lot.
364
00:18:08,780 --> 00:18:10,980
He ate a lot of bad stuff.
365
00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,220
I think he died
from a heart attack.
366
00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,650
Very sudden, very quick.
367
00:18:15,750 --> 00:18:19,920
He's very angry,
very angry about it.
368
00:18:19,990 --> 00:18:21,890
He's trying to get out,
and he can't.
369
00:18:21,990 --> 00:18:24,260
None of the dead people
can get outta here.
370
00:18:30,070 --> 00:18:32,570
So far, I've got
a terminally ill client
371
00:18:32,670 --> 00:18:36,010
whose family's being torn apart
by bizarre activity,
372
00:18:36,110 --> 00:18:37,710
and a young man
who died of a heart attack
373
00:18:37,810 --> 00:18:39,740
right inside their house.
374
00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,750
But I need to see
if there's anything more.
375
00:18:42,850 --> 00:18:44,080
Diggin' through old records,
376
00:18:44,180 --> 00:18:47,320
I find a notorious gangster
named Cadillac Charlie.
377
00:18:47,390 --> 00:18:50,720
In 1962, he and his son were
killed in a gruesome car bombing
378
00:18:50,820 --> 00:18:53,560
only 600 feet
from Lorie's property.
379
00:18:53,660 --> 00:18:55,890
Turns out, they were the victims
of a mob hit.
380
00:18:55,990 --> 00:18:57,460
Now I'm not sure
how it's gonna help my case,
381
00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,360
but I gotta check this one out.
382
00:19:05,470 --> 00:19:08,240
So, Tom, I came across a mob hit
near my client's house.
383
00:19:08,310 --> 00:19:10,670
I was even surprised to know
there was any mob in Youngstown.
384
00:19:10,780 --> 00:19:14,110
Actually, Youngstown was
a pretty big mob city.
385
00:19:14,180 --> 00:19:16,350
Now were car bombs like the one
near my client's property
386
00:19:16,450 --> 00:19:18,080
a common way
to take people out?
387
00:19:18,180 --> 00:19:20,620
In the --
in the 10 or 11 years before,
388
00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,190
Cadillac Charlie
was blown up,
389
00:19:23,290 --> 00:19:26,290
there were, like,
81 car bombings.
390
00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:27,590
It drew the attention
391
00:19:27,690 --> 00:19:28,760
of the Attorney General
of the United States --
392
00:19:28,860 --> 00:19:30,290
Robert Kennedy.
393
00:19:30,360 --> 00:19:33,030
And - Kennedy,
called J. Edgar Hoover
394
00:19:33,130 --> 00:19:35,700
and got the FBI
involved in the case.
395
00:19:40,910 --> 00:19:42,470
Something happened here.
396
00:19:42,570 --> 00:19:46,440
And all these men
were in the process of dying.
397
00:19:46,510 --> 00:19:50,150
I didn't see a battle or a war,
anything like that.
398
00:19:50,250 --> 00:19:53,650
There's, like, piles and piles
and piles of dead bodies.
399
00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:55,780
- How many?
- Like, hundreds.
400
00:19:57,590 --> 00:20:00,890
These people, these men,
were **** up.
401
00:20:00,990 --> 00:20:03,860
Like, some of 'em missin' a leg.
402
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,830
You know, they maybe got a shirt
and there's blood all over it.
403
00:20:06,930 --> 00:20:12,500
Somehow, it reached all the way
to Washington, DC.
404
00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,470
I saw a big, round table
405
00:20:14,570 --> 00:20:17,010
with seven or eight politicians
406
00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:20,110
discussing men dying here.
407
00:20:20,210 --> 00:20:21,810
And it was a big deal.
408
00:20:22,950 --> 00:20:24,050
Cadillac Charlie.
409
00:20:24,150 --> 00:20:26,020
This guy sounds like
a made guy, a wise guy.
410
00:20:26,120 --> 00:20:27,480
What do we know
about him?
411
00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:29,350
He's
a Sicilian immigrant.
412
00:20:29,420 --> 00:20:31,520
Came to the United States
in 1921.
413
00:20:31,620 --> 00:20:34,660
This is a picture here
of, of Charlie.
414
00:20:36,060 --> 00:20:38,430
Not much is known about him
the first 10 or 15 years
415
00:20:38,530 --> 00:20:39,600
he's in the country.
416
00:20:39,700 --> 00:20:42,460
And then a few years later,
in, in 1940,
417
00:20:42,570 --> 00:20:44,000
he first shows up
in Youngstown,
418
00:20:44,100 --> 00:20:45,130
gets involved with
419
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,400
the organized crime figures
in town.
420
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:49,440
Um, he buys a pool hall,
421
00:20:49,540 --> 00:20:51,670
slash lottery house.
422
00:20:51,780 --> 00:20:52,810
He rose pretty fast.
423
00:20:52,910 --> 00:20:54,580
And,
by the time, -
424
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,810
the early '50s rolled around,
he was --
425
00:20:56,910 --> 00:20:58,580
he was the man
in Youngstown.
426
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,850
So, Tom, I know the house
he lived in
427
00:21:00,950 --> 00:21:02,580
is a pretty suburban area,
428
00:21:02,690 --> 00:21:03,650
by my client's house.
429
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:06,190
Um, I assume
he had a family.
430
00:21:06,290 --> 00:21:07,260
Yeah, he did.
431
00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:08,690
He lived there
with his second wife.
432
00:21:08,790 --> 00:21:11,430
She was about 14 years younger
than he was.
433
00:21:11,530 --> 00:21:13,900
He had,
four kids total.
434
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,930
Okay. So how did this whole
car bombing go down?
435
00:21:17,030 --> 00:21:19,070
Well, the bombing and --
and the murder occurred,
436
00:21:19,170 --> 00:21:22,340
the day after Thanksgiving,
November 23rd, 1962.
437
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:23,810
Okay.
It's Friday morning.
438
00:21:23,910 --> 00:21:25,910
Charlie's kids
got football practice.
439
00:21:26,010 --> 00:21:28,440
Okay.
Charlie and Tommy get in the car,
440
00:21:28,550 --> 00:21:30,780
turns the ignition to the car
and ka-boom, the -- the --
441
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,380
the whole --
the whole car blows up.
442
00:21:33,450 --> 00:21:34,920
The garage blows up.
He's blown --
443
00:21:35,020 --> 00:21:36,950
Him and his son
are both blown to bits.
444
00:21:37,050 --> 00:21:38,650
Here's a photo of,
of his son.
445
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,090
His 11-year-old son that was,
killed in the, um,
446
00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:42,490
the car bombing.
447
00:21:42,590 --> 00:21:44,060
Jeez.
448
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,660
Any idea why this guy was
the victim of a mob hit?
449
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,500
Well, there was a couple
of, of --
450
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:49,830
of theories runnin' around.
451
00:21:49,930 --> 00:21:52,530
One of 'em was that he --
he was deeply in debt.
452
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,770
But nobody really knows
for sure.
453
00:21:54,910 --> 00:21:56,740
Nobody's ever collared
for this or arrested?
454
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,040
No one was every arrested.
455
00:21:58,140 --> 00:21:59,880
Okay.
456
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:04,850
I don't like this guy.
457
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:07,450
The angry man
is pulling me back upstairs,
458
00:22:07,550 --> 00:22:09,420
and he's bragging
about all the terrible things
459
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:10,650
he did in life.
460
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,720
He says he owned men
or laborers.
461
00:22:14,830 --> 00:22:16,530
He's wearing, like, a suit.
462
00:22:16,590 --> 00:22:19,660
I guess he owned...businesses?
463
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,530
I see, like,
two small businesses.
464
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,630
And he's definitely
from back east.
465
00:22:25,740 --> 00:22:27,370
And he moved here.
466
00:22:27,470 --> 00:22:29,770
Maybe he was in prison.
467
00:22:29,870 --> 00:22:32,670
I see a fire,
and I see him kind of burnt.
468
00:22:34,510 --> 00:22:36,180
He's, like, charred.
469
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,310
He died,
and was murdered apparently.
470
00:22:39,420 --> 00:22:41,120
And he's very
pissed off about it.
471
00:22:41,220 --> 00:22:44,520
He feels like it was, you know,
he didn't deserve it.
472
00:22:44,620 --> 00:22:46,890
He says, "I didn't deserve it.
473
00:22:46,990 --> 00:22:48,190
I didn't deserve it."
474
00:22:48,290 --> 00:22:51,130
He says it wasn't an accident.
475
00:22:51,230 --> 00:22:53,060
It was deliberate.
476
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,870
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unexplained activity
477
00:23:00,970 --> 00:23:02,770
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478
00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:04,810
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479
00:23:04,910 --> 00:23:06,440
Click on "Help Me Dead Files!"
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480
00:23:06,540 --> 00:23:07,810
and we'll help if we can.
481
00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:18,100
During my research,
a former owner
482
00:23:18,210 --> 00:23:20,210
of my client's property
caught my attention.
483
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:21,770
So I had a local genealogist
484
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,010
look into this guy,
Paul Wick, for me.
485
00:23:24,110 --> 00:23:26,110
She just called me back
and said this guy's story
486
00:23:26,210 --> 00:23:29,320
is filled with tragedy,
heartbreak, and bankruptcy.
487
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,990
So, Kimberly, why did you want
to come here to talk?
488
00:23:38,090 --> 00:23:39,690
Because in its better days,
489
00:23:39,790 --> 00:23:43,330
this was a mill a lot like
what Paul Wick ran.
490
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:44,830
I figured this would be
a good place
491
00:23:44,930 --> 00:23:46,470
to tell you his story.
492
00:23:46,570 --> 00:23:47,900
Okay.
493
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,570
So how does Paul wind up
with my client's property?
494
00:23:50,670 --> 00:23:52,440
When he was 14 years old,
495
00:23:52,540 --> 00:23:56,440
Daddy handed him, basically,
117 acres.
496
00:23:56,540 --> 00:24:00,580
Part of that is where
your client's house sits.
497
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,680
Here is a picture of him
right here.
498
00:24:03,790 --> 00:24:05,280
All right.
So Paul, does he get married?
499
00:24:05,390 --> 00:24:07,050
Does he stay single?
What's his story?
500
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,590
He does get married
when he's 22 years old.
501
00:24:09,690 --> 00:24:12,190
His wife is named
Susan Bull.
502
00:24:12,290 --> 00:24:13,760
And here is her picture.
503
00:24:13,860 --> 00:24:17,860
They got married in 1846
and the raised six kids.
504
00:24:17,970 --> 00:24:19,270
Now, Kimberly,
you mentioned on the phone
505
00:24:19,370 --> 00:24:20,830
that this guy
suffered from heartbreak,
506
00:24:20,940 --> 00:24:22,300
tragedy, and bankruptcy.
507
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:23,870
Let's start with heartbreak.
What happened?
508
00:24:23,970 --> 00:24:28,170
1882, Susan unexpectedly died
of heart disease...
509
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:29,340
Okay.
510
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,540
...leaving him to raise
six kids.
511
00:24:31,650 --> 00:24:33,510
Okay, so let's move on
to the tragedy.
512
00:24:33,620 --> 00:24:36,950
Well, one of Paul's holdings
was an iron mill.
513
00:24:37,050 --> 00:24:40,490
Would've been a lot like this
in its better day.
514
00:24:40,590 --> 00:24:43,190
Paul's iron mill
had 10 boilers. Okay.
515
00:24:43,260 --> 00:24:45,520
August 28th, 1872,
516
00:24:45,630 --> 00:24:48,260
nine of the 10 boilers
exploded.
517
00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:50,060
There were three fatalities.
518
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,730
A one-ton piece
of one of the boilers
519
00:24:52,830 --> 00:24:54,770
flew a quarter of a mile away
520
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:57,500
and fell into a house,
521
00:24:57,610 --> 00:25:00,240
killing a mother
and a 9-month-old son.
522
00:25:00,340 --> 00:25:02,380
Jeez.
523
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:03,980
All right,
now these explosions,
524
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:05,850
is that what leads to
his bankruptcy?
525
00:25:05,950 --> 00:25:07,310
Partially.
526
00:25:07,420 --> 00:25:10,720
But back in 1883, Youngstown
was going through a depression,
527
00:25:10,790 --> 00:25:13,050
especially
in the iron industry.
528
00:25:13,150 --> 00:25:15,220
There were signs,
but he ignored 'em.
529
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,090
For the next 7 years,
he ties things up in court.
530
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:23,030
Ten days after the final
court hearing, Paul Wick dies.
531
00:25:23,130 --> 00:25:25,400
He was a broken man.
532
00:25:28,370 --> 00:25:30,270
Heartache, tragedy,
and bankruptcy.
533
00:25:30,370 --> 00:25:33,210
You weren't kidding.
It followed him his entire life.
534
00:25:37,210 --> 00:25:39,450
What this thing is,
535
00:25:39,550 --> 00:25:42,920
is a culmination
536
00:25:43,020 --> 00:25:46,520
of all the negativity
537
00:25:46,620 --> 00:25:52,320
that has been within
these walls.
538
00:25:52,430 --> 00:25:53,830
Even though the angry dead man
539
00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:57,330
poses a serious threat to
the living women in the house,
540
00:25:57,430 --> 00:26:00,830
I'm most concerned about
this thing in the dining room.
541
00:26:00,940 --> 00:26:05,940
It's absorbed living energy
from living people.
542
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,570
Horrible things
that it's absorbed.
543
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:13,610
It's collected
into this big blob.
544
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,680
What happens if it were
to continue to -- to get bigger?
545
00:26:16,780 --> 00:26:22,320
It'll then become intertwined
with the house...
546
00:26:22,420 --> 00:26:26,360
to the point where it'll just
meld within the walls.
547
00:26:26,460 --> 00:26:29,860
And then it'll become one
with the house, the structure.
548
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,900
And the structure is actually
like a living organism.
549
00:26:36,740 --> 00:26:40,140
And then, it does form
a consciousness over time.
550
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:45,110
And then it can project
entities, to do harm.
551
00:26:45,210 --> 00:26:47,780
So it could kill them.
552
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,160
I saw several disturbing things
on my walk,
553
00:26:57,260 --> 00:26:59,160
but two stood out the most.
554
00:26:59,260 --> 00:27:00,990
First, the angry man.
555
00:27:01,100 --> 00:27:04,800
He was, I believe,
in his 40s.
556
00:27:07,140 --> 00:27:09,100
Like, stocky.
557
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,700
A very, like, thick neck.
558
00:27:11,810 --> 00:27:15,110
Next, I described the thing
growing in the dining room.
559
00:27:15,210 --> 00:27:18,880
It's this big, black,
560
00:27:18,980 --> 00:27:21,180
undulating mass.
561
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,420
And it looked like it was
made out of tar.
562
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,720
And it had, like, veins.
563
00:27:30,860 --> 00:27:32,590
Amy,
is this what you saw?
564
00:27:36,060 --> 00:27:37,500
Yes, that's who I saw.
565
00:27:57,740 --> 00:28:00,570
Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
566
00:28:00,670 --> 00:28:01,870
we're ready
to reveal our findings
567
00:28:01,970 --> 00:28:05,110
to each other and our clients
for the first time.
568
00:28:05,210 --> 00:28:08,110
Amy, I want you to meet
Lorie and her husband Roy.
569
00:28:08,210 --> 00:28:10,010
There is no easy way
to say this,
570
00:28:10,110 --> 00:28:12,050
but Lorie doesn't have
much time left.
571
00:28:12,150 --> 00:28:15,720
She's been diagnosed
with stage IV cancer,
572
00:28:15,820 --> 00:28:19,360
and the doctors give her
about 2 months to live.
573
00:28:19,460 --> 00:28:21,690
Now the activity here
is pretty bad.
574
00:28:21,790 --> 00:28:23,390
And Lorie's dying wish
575
00:28:23,490 --> 00:28:27,060
is to know her family's gonna
be okay once she's gone.
576
00:28:27,170 --> 00:28:29,770
Now that Amy knows a little bit
about you guys,
577
00:28:29,870 --> 00:28:32,940
I'm gonna ask her
to describe her walk for us.
578
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,470
There's something very unusual
about this particular area.
579
00:28:37,580 --> 00:28:41,540
What I saw was that
the dead can't move on.
580
00:28:41,650 --> 00:28:42,850
They're trapped.
581
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:48,880
And I saw a wall
surrounding this property.
582
00:28:48,990 --> 00:28:52,690
When I walked into the house,
I went into the master bedroom,
583
00:28:52,790 --> 00:28:56,960
and I saw a dead man
in there.
584
00:28:57,060 --> 00:28:59,660
Um, he was
extremely stressed out.
585
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,470
This was very recent,
within the last 10 years.
586
00:29:03,570 --> 00:29:05,300
I got that he was
a big, stocky guy
587
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,200
who did a lotta hard work.
588
00:29:07,310 --> 00:29:09,670
I got that he was
unfortunately unhealthy,
589
00:29:09,770 --> 00:29:11,740
and smoked and ate
a lot of bad food.
590
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,640
And that he died
very suddenly,
591
00:29:13,710 --> 00:29:15,380
from a heart attack.
592
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,820
And he's extremely upset
about that as well.
593
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,650
We kinda think we know
this might be, right?
594
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:22,920
Yeah.
595
00:29:23,020 --> 00:29:25,350
Lorie's daughter, Kristina,
was living here
596
00:29:25,460 --> 00:29:28,920
with her fiancé Marcus,
for about 2 months.
597
00:29:29,030 --> 00:29:33,830
I got a picture of Marcus here
with Kristina and their dogs.
598
00:29:33,930 --> 00:29:37,330
Marcus was born
with a Atrial Septal Defect.
599
00:29:38,670 --> 00:29:42,070
Despite that, he did lead
an unhealthy lifestyle.
600
00:29:42,170 --> 00:29:44,010
He had smoked.
He ate a lotta rich foods.
601
00:29:44,110 --> 00:29:45,640
He was a chef.
602
00:29:45,710 --> 00:29:47,940
Now, on December 19th, 2011,
603
00:29:48,050 --> 00:29:51,350
he was sitting right here
in this room with Kristina,
604
00:29:51,420 --> 00:29:53,220
um, when his heart stopped.
605
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,420
He was only 39 years old.
606
00:29:56,550 --> 00:29:59,960
Now does this photo look like
the person you ran into?
607
00:30:00,060 --> 00:30:01,790
I would say yes.
608
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,400
Tell Amy the story
about the bruise around the arm.
609
00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:07,660
I was upstairs.
610
00:30:07,770 --> 00:30:11,170
I was
repacking Marcus' things,
611
00:30:11,270 --> 00:30:14,240
and arms grabbed me.
612
00:30:14,340 --> 00:30:15,970
And I began to burn.
613
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:18,240
It hurt so badly.
614
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:20,310
And I'm like, "No!"
615
00:30:20,410 --> 00:30:23,680
And I thought it was Marcus
the minute it happened.
616
00:30:23,780 --> 00:30:26,480
I don't get the impression
that he --
617
00:30:26,580 --> 00:30:28,120
that he would harm anyone.
618
00:30:28,220 --> 00:30:30,050
No, I don't either.
619
00:30:30,150 --> 00:30:32,560
I don't think he wanted
his stuff to leave.
620
00:30:32,660 --> 00:30:34,390
I loved him.
621
00:30:39,060 --> 00:30:40,900
The next people that I met,
622
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,870
when they were alive,
they were a couple.
623
00:30:43,970 --> 00:30:47,040
The wife is
an emotional wreck.
624
00:30:47,140 --> 00:30:49,210
Extremely depressed.
625
00:30:49,310 --> 00:30:50,640
I think that
the living would --
626
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:53,880
would associate her
with, like, a shadow person,
627
00:30:53,980 --> 00:30:56,950
um, because she is
all black.
628
00:30:57,050 --> 00:31:00,850
And she likes to watch
people in the beds.
629
00:31:00,950 --> 00:31:04,250
The other thing is she doesn't,
smell very good.
630
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,560
Now you see shadows.
631
00:31:06,660 --> 00:31:07,960
Yeah. I see shadows,
632
00:31:08,060 --> 00:31:11,160
mostly when I'm sittin' here
watchin' TV.
633
00:31:11,260 --> 00:31:13,130
And I'll see a shadow...
634
00:31:13,230 --> 00:31:15,160
real fast go by the TV.
635
00:31:15,270 --> 00:31:17,670
- Okay.
- You mentioned a smell, right?
636
00:31:17,740 --> 00:31:20,240
Yeah.
637
00:31:20,340 --> 00:31:23,910
All the time.
It's, like, walkin' past death.
638
00:31:25,740 --> 00:31:28,010
Her husband is the one
I'm more concerned about.
639
00:31:28,110 --> 00:31:31,210
He was
an extremely angry man.
640
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,220
I felt like he was insane.
641
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,950
He goes all over the house.
642
00:31:38,060 --> 00:31:40,620
He has major issues
with women.
643
00:31:40,730 --> 00:31:44,230
He gets really pissy if somebody
starts talking about him.
644
00:31:44,330 --> 00:31:46,330
And he'll get right up on
that person,
645
00:31:46,430 --> 00:31:48,560
like, right in their space.
646
00:31:48,670 --> 00:31:51,370
This'll make a living person
very stressed out.
647
00:31:51,470 --> 00:31:56,840
Um, I think that living people
might be able to see him.
648
00:31:56,940 --> 00:31:58,210
Lorie got
physically attacked by --
649
00:31:58,310 --> 00:32:01,740
There's this horn-shaped
kind of figurine statue thing
650
00:32:01,850 --> 00:32:02,910
with elephants on it.
651
00:32:03,010 --> 00:32:04,910
I was in bed
and I was sleeping.
652
00:32:05,020 --> 00:32:07,420
And it was low enough
653
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,850
that it shoulda just
fallen on my chest.
654
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:13,890
But it bashed me
in the head.
655
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:16,290
And I still have pain.
656
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,630
Yeah. He's a bully.
657
00:32:18,730 --> 00:32:20,330
The other thing is anxiety
throughout the house.
658
00:32:20,430 --> 00:32:22,930
Everybody has anxiety attacks.
659
00:32:23,030 --> 00:32:25,470
I'm actually dizzy,
like I could pass out.
660
00:32:25,570 --> 00:32:27,900
I don't know why.
661
00:32:27,970 --> 00:32:31,140
This house...
662
00:32:32,580 --> 00:32:34,480
Yeah.
663
00:32:34,580 --> 00:32:36,750
You get anything on this guy,
like who he was?
664
00:32:36,850 --> 00:32:38,180
I got that
he'd been in prison.
665
00:32:38,250 --> 00:32:40,420
I got that he was from back east
and that he moved here.
666
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,750
I got that he owned a couple
of small businesses.
667
00:32:44,860 --> 00:32:47,660
I got that he was murdered.
668
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:52,490
Um, and he feels
like he did not deserve it.
669
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,130
And I got constantly,
him in fire.
670
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,430
Half of his face is, like,
burnt, singed.
671
00:32:58,540 --> 00:33:00,540
Definitely reminds me
of somebody
672
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,610
who came up in my research.
673
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:04,510
One of the most
notorious gangsters
674
00:33:04,610 --> 00:33:07,140
in Youngstown
lived about 600 feet from here.
675
00:33:07,250 --> 00:33:09,380
His name
was Charles Cavallaro.
676
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,510
He went by the name
of Cadillac Charlie.
677
00:33:11,620 --> 00:33:13,250
Charlie was
a Sicilian immigrant,
678
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:14,850
came to the US in 1921.
679
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:18,050
He lived in New York City.
You said the east coast.
680
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,120
He was in the mob.
He was probably a made guy.
681
00:33:20,220 --> 00:33:21,860
And we know he got arrested
a few times.
682
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,690
Now in 1940,
he moved to Youngstown.
683
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,400
You said something about fire
and him saying he was murdered.
684
00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:30,300
That's about as spot-on
as it gets.
685
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,000
On November 23rd, 1962,
686
00:33:33,070 --> 00:33:35,170
he was gonna take the kids
to football practice.
687
00:33:35,270 --> 00:33:37,610
Charlie turned on the car,
and boom, it exploded.
688
00:33:37,710 --> 00:33:38,910
****.
689
00:33:39,010 --> 00:33:40,880
The car bomb killed him
690
00:33:40,980 --> 00:33:43,410
and his 11-year-old son
Tommy instantly.
691
00:33:43,510 --> 00:33:45,680
Now I have pictures
692
00:33:45,780 --> 00:33:48,780
of Cadillac Charlie.
693
00:33:48,890 --> 00:33:50,790
And his son.
694
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,920
And this is car
after the explosion.
695
00:33:57,030 --> 00:33:59,500
The crime was never solved.
696
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,200
Definitely a mob hit.
697
00:34:01,300 --> 00:34:03,570
My god.
698
00:34:03,670 --> 00:34:05,700
Is that who you think
you saw?
699
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,470
I had a sketch done
of him.
700
00:34:11,380 --> 00:34:13,180
-100% this is him.
- Absolutely.
701
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,610
You tell me if you think
that's him or not.
702
00:34:15,710 --> 00:34:16,850
Yeah.
703
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:18,350
My.
704
00:34:21,420 --> 00:34:22,750
Yep.
705
00:34:22,850 --> 00:34:24,050
Yeah.
706
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,550
Why would he be here, though?
707
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,490
'Cause there's somethin' else
that's here.
708
00:34:34,630 --> 00:34:36,570
The thing that I'm most
concerned about
709
00:34:36,670 --> 00:34:38,500
is the thing
in the dining room.
710
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:39,900
It's, like, a big mass.
711
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,740
A big blob.
712
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,140
It has, like veins on it.
713
00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:46,940
And it's, like,
always pulsating.
714
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,280
Like a heart.
715
00:34:48,380 --> 00:34:51,610
This has a very large impact
716
00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:54,080
on anybody in this house.
717
00:34:54,190 --> 00:34:55,880
It feeds on negativity,
718
00:34:55,990 --> 00:35:00,590
and that's how
it gains power and grows.
719
00:35:00,690 --> 00:35:04,660
And I saw one living person
being consumed,
720
00:35:04,730 --> 00:35:09,030
by this thing
on an energetic level.
721
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:11,400
This living person
would feel like
722
00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:14,570
they were losing themselves,
723
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,010
like they were losing
their personality
724
00:35:17,110 --> 00:35:19,270
and aspects of their being.
725
00:35:19,380 --> 00:35:22,880
This person could be sick
and/or dying.
726
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,080
We talkin' about Lorie here?
727
00:35:28,190 --> 00:35:29,490
Sounds like it.
728
00:35:29,590 --> 00:35:32,190
Yeah.
729
00:35:32,290 --> 00:35:35,320
I feel like I'm here
and not here.
730
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:38,960
And here and not here.
731
00:35:39,060 --> 00:35:40,500
I was getting
732
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:45,170
that the living would experience
a lot of nightmares.
733
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:46,840
And also, visions.
734
00:35:46,940 --> 00:35:48,740
One of the things
that I was shown
735
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,210
was somebody
watching someone cooking.
736
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,350
And all of a sudden, they get
this, like, vision of them,
737
00:35:56,450 --> 00:35:58,110
like, picking up a knife
738
00:35:58,220 --> 00:36:01,980
and walking up
behind the person.
739
00:36:02,090 --> 00:36:06,890
It can manipulate the living
to harm one another.
740
00:36:06,990 --> 00:36:08,760
When I'm in the kitchen,
741
00:36:08,860 --> 00:36:11,360
when I go toward
the sharp knives,
742
00:36:11,460 --> 00:36:13,960
something in my head
tells me,
743
00:36:14,030 --> 00:36:17,570
"Slit your wrists. It'll be
okay. It'll be over."
744
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:23,270
But it's, like, somebody talking
to me, not in my own brain.
745
00:36:23,370 --> 00:36:24,540
Now it makes sense.
746
00:36:24,610 --> 00:36:26,040
Yeah.
747
00:36:26,140 --> 00:36:28,040
You wanted to kill
the family dog, too.
748
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:31,180
Yeah. Soon as I opened
the cage to let her out.
749
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,280
The dog knew it wasn't me
because that dog ran from me,
750
00:36:35,350 --> 00:36:37,250
and she don't never run from me.
751
00:36:37,350 --> 00:36:38,550
It's a good thing she did
752
00:36:38,660 --> 00:36:40,690
'cause if I'd have caught her,
I'd have killed her.
753
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,030
I go outside and shake my head,
and I'm like, "Get outta me!"
754
00:36:45,130 --> 00:36:46,630
And it goes away.
755
00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:49,930
The last time it happened,
I punched a hole in the wall.
756
00:36:50,030 --> 00:36:53,500
And I would never
do anything like that.
757
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,440
- Weren't we talkin' about this?
- Yeah.
758
00:36:55,540 --> 00:36:57,040
That we hoped it wasn't him,
759
00:36:57,110 --> 00:36:58,410
and it had somethin'
to do with the house.
760
00:36:58,510 --> 00:37:00,940
- Right.
- You know it's not him.
761
00:37:01,050 --> 00:37:02,440
Yeah.
762
00:37:02,510 --> 00:37:04,510
Now what did this thing
look like?
763
00:37:04,620 --> 00:37:06,350
I had a sketch done.
764
00:37:12,220 --> 00:37:14,760
This looks like somethin'
out of a science fiction movie
765
00:37:14,860 --> 00:37:17,190
or somethin'.
766
00:37:17,290 --> 00:37:19,030
Whoa.
767
00:37:23,130 --> 00:37:24,300
And it grows?
768
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,870
Yes.
769
00:37:26,970 --> 00:37:29,300
A long time ago,
770
00:37:29,370 --> 00:37:31,070
it first started.
771
00:37:31,180 --> 00:37:32,670
Like a seed.
772
00:37:32,780 --> 00:37:35,240
And everything negative
that's happened
773
00:37:35,310 --> 00:37:38,550
over these many, many years
has fed it.
774
00:37:38,650 --> 00:37:42,650
And it's grown bigger and bigger
and bigger and bigger
775
00:37:42,750 --> 00:37:45,450
to this now.
776
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,520
It is like a little animal.
777
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:50,430
And as an animal,
what do they want?
778
00:37:50,530 --> 00:37:52,190
They want food.
779
00:37:52,300 --> 00:37:54,930
And they wanna be strong,
they wanna survive.
780
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:58,000
The only way it's gonna do
that is by taking living people.
781
00:38:00,570 --> 00:38:01,670
Going after people
782
00:38:01,740 --> 00:38:05,810
who are vulnerable
that it can absorb.
783
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:09,380
So this thing, every time
they fight, it gets stronger.
784
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:10,610
Yes.
785
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:12,680
Every time Roy has his rage,
it gets stronger.
786
00:38:12,780 --> 00:38:14,380
Yeah.
787
00:38:16,290 --> 00:38:18,590
So if this goes unchecked,
788
00:38:18,690 --> 00:38:20,520
what happens?
789
00:38:20,620 --> 00:38:22,890
Well, I go that
it'll keep growing.
790
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,390
And then eventually,
791
00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:27,460
it would mesh and become
part of the house.
792
00:38:27,570 --> 00:38:30,000
And basically the house
would then be alive,
793
00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:31,400
essentially.
794
00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:33,000
Can anybody live in a house
like that?
795
00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:35,170
No. Mnh-mnh. No.
796
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,210
I was right.
797
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,620
This house
is going to kill me.
798
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,180
Well, Lorie,
I gotta tell you,
799
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,710
you're one of the strongest
people I've ever met.
800
00:39:07,810 --> 00:39:09,480
Amy, listen, I don't wanna put
pressure on you,
801
00:39:09,580 --> 00:39:12,250
but I really hope you can
come up with something for Lorie
802
00:39:12,350 --> 00:39:14,950
so she can live out
her final days in peace.
803
00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:22,390
For years,
this thing has fed
804
00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:24,730
and it has
only grown stronger,
805
00:39:24,830 --> 00:39:27,100
to the point,
806
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,270
that I don't think
any living thing
807
00:39:30,370 --> 00:39:33,440
should be near this thing.
808
00:39:33,540 --> 00:39:35,010
What does this mean?
They gotta move?
809
00:39:39,110 --> 00:39:42,780
The only way that this thing
in this area could be cleansed
810
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,820
is if many mediums,
811
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,550
many holy people
812
00:39:46,650 --> 00:39:50,150
came over months and months
813
00:39:50,260 --> 00:39:53,420
and dedicated
many days, hours,
814
00:39:53,530 --> 00:39:56,460
to eradicating first
the negative dead,
815
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,700
and then attacking this thing
at its source.
816
00:40:03,700 --> 00:40:08,170
The thing of it is,
we leave this thing here,
817
00:40:08,270 --> 00:40:11,610
what's gonna happen?
818
00:40:11,710 --> 00:40:14,880
What I'm honestly hoping
819
00:40:14,980 --> 00:40:17,680
is that this area
will be leveled.
820
00:40:23,890 --> 00:40:25,920
It needs to be leveled.
821
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,460
It's all right, hon.
It's just a house.
822
00:40:32,570 --> 00:40:33,600
Right.
823
00:40:33,700 --> 00:40:35,470
We can get a house.
That's no big deal.
824
00:40:40,070 --> 00:40:41,870
It'll be all right.
It'll be okay.
825
00:40:41,970 --> 00:40:46,210
Well, I guess we better hurry up
'cause I'm not doin' too good.
826
00:40:46,310 --> 00:40:48,350
I know, baby. I know.
827
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:52,980
Once these guys move,
828
00:40:53,090 --> 00:40:55,550
will she start to feel
a little bit better?
829
00:40:55,660 --> 00:40:57,320
I hope so.
830
00:40:57,420 --> 00:40:59,160
It can't come with me,
can it?
831
00:40:59,260 --> 00:41:00,460
No.
832
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:01,930
Now will Roy's rage go away
once he's...
833
00:41:02,030 --> 00:41:05,600
Yeah, that'll --
You'll change dramatically.
834
00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:08,270
I hope so.
835
00:41:08,370 --> 00:41:09,670
Listen, you guys
may have lost a home,
836
00:41:09,770 --> 00:41:11,770
but now you got
each other again.
837
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,670
Right?
838
00:41:13,770 --> 00:41:15,540
I know the answers
you were lookin' for
839
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,640
wasn't the ones you got.
840
00:41:17,740 --> 00:41:19,010
No.
841
00:41:19,110 --> 00:41:20,610
But you got answers.
842
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:22,680
We will be
outta this house quick.
843
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:28,450
We've had enough.
844
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,730
I wish I had better news
for Lorie and Roy,
845
00:41:34,830 --> 00:41:37,900
but leaving this house
is their best option.
846
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,930
If they do that, things
should improve between them,
847
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:43,930
and Lorie can live
her remaining days in peace.
848
00:41:43,980 --> 00:41:48,530
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