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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,644 --> 00:00:11,812 My head hurts so bad! 2 00:00:11,814 --> 00:00:13,413 There was a female figure. 3 00:00:13,415 --> 00:00:15,749 She was hitting me. 4 00:00:15,751 --> 00:00:18,318 She does attacks in here. 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:19,453 This is one of the worst stories 6 00:00:19,455 --> 00:00:21,321 I've ever heard about a guy's life. 7 00:00:21,323 --> 00:00:25,092 Get it away. Get it away from me now. 8 00:00:25,094 --> 00:00:28,028 I'm overwhelmed. I need answers. 9 00:00:28,030 --> 00:00:31,565 This is my room. Get the **** out. 10 00:00:31,567 --> 00:00:34,701 He's a problem. He's a problem. 11 00:00:35,571 --> 00:00:36,904 I just hear death. 12 00:00:36,906 --> 00:00:39,206 My name is Amy Allan. 13 00:00:39,208 --> 00:00:40,741 God. 14 00:00:40,743 --> 00:00:42,810 He was like, "I'm going to get you." 15 00:00:42,812 --> 00:00:43,944 I see dead people. 16 00:00:43,946 --> 00:00:45,179 Her face was all demonic. 17 00:00:45,181 --> 00:00:46,981 I speak to dead people... 18 00:00:46,983 --> 00:00:49,717 He's like, "You think you can stop me? Because you can't." 19 00:00:49,719 --> 00:00:51,118 ...and they speak to me. 20 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:52,653 - What is he trying to do? - Kill them. 21 00:00:52,655 --> 00:00:55,790 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 22 00:00:55,792 --> 00:00:57,792 Something happened. Bam, bam, bam. 23 00:00:57,794 --> 00:00:59,293 I rely on my partner. 24 00:00:59,295 --> 00:01:00,928 I'm Steve Di Schiavi. 25 00:01:00,930 --> 00:01:02,663 I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 26 00:01:02,665 --> 00:01:04,165 Am I seeing what I think I'm seeing? 27 00:01:04,167 --> 00:01:07,735 And I know every person, every house has secrets. 28 00:01:07,737 --> 00:01:09,937 - They're everywhere. - It's my job to reveal them. 29 00:01:09,939 --> 00:01:12,840 This guy's got the markings of a serial killer. 30 00:01:12,842 --> 00:01:14,809 But Steve and I never speak... 31 00:01:14,811 --> 00:01:16,877 We never communicate during an investigation. 32 00:01:16,879 --> 00:01:18,079 ...until the very end. 33 00:01:18,081 --> 00:01:19,680 Is this dead guy doin' that to her? 34 00:01:19,682 --> 00:01:21,849 When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 35 00:01:21,851 --> 00:01:23,584 That's it. 36 00:01:23,586 --> 00:01:25,753 Or time to get out. 37 00:01:25,755 --> 00:01:29,223 Somebody is gonna die over there soon. Yeah. 38 00:01:43,706 --> 00:01:46,373 I'm out here in the small town of St. Charles, Michigan. 39 00:01:46,375 --> 00:01:49,477 It's about 45 minutes northwest of Flint. 40 00:01:49,479 --> 00:01:51,178 I got a frantic call from a woman 41 00:01:51,180 --> 00:01:54,415 who says she and her daughter are under attack. 42 00:01:54,417 --> 00:01:56,884 They're both scared for their lives, and they said, 43 00:01:56,886 --> 00:01:58,953 "If we don't get there fast, somebody's gonna get hurt." 44 00:02:04,861 --> 00:02:07,261 Before Amy arrives, I clear the area 45 00:02:07,263 --> 00:02:10,998 of anything that could influence her findings. 46 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,833 This home is filled with family photos, 47 00:02:12,835 --> 00:02:16,670 so it's important that I cover or remove them all. 48 00:02:16,672 --> 00:02:20,107 When I'm done, the location will be ready for tonight's walk. 49 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,254 There's something about, like, 50 00:02:33,256 --> 00:02:37,458 this male that lived here. 51 00:02:37,460 --> 00:02:38,726 He had a family. 52 00:02:38,728 --> 00:02:44,498 He has this strange idea 53 00:02:44,500 --> 00:02:48,035 that him and his family were cursed. 54 00:02:48,037 --> 00:02:51,739 And he's saying that because of the curse, 55 00:02:51,741 --> 00:02:54,108 everybody died. 56 00:02:54,110 --> 00:02:56,577 He's a problem. He's a problem. 57 00:03:03,319 --> 00:03:05,052 When we spoke on the phone, 58 00:03:05,054 --> 00:03:09,757 the only word that can describe how you sounded was pure panic. 59 00:03:09,759 --> 00:03:11,825 Yeah. It's like a pressure cooker. 60 00:03:11,827 --> 00:03:14,929 Like, everything's falling to a head And it's gonna explode. 61 00:03:14,931 --> 00:03:16,664 I mean, that's how I feel in the house. 62 00:03:16,666 --> 00:03:18,299 Okay. So what's goin' on? 63 00:03:18,301 --> 00:03:20,501 We hear banging and knocking, 64 00:03:20,503 --> 00:03:22,670 screams, voices, 65 00:03:22,672 --> 00:03:25,673 things being thrown, and now physical attacks. 66 00:03:28,644 --> 00:03:33,514 My daughter, Kaleigh, has woken up with scratches. 67 00:03:33,516 --> 00:03:35,816 Um, her health is pretty bad. 68 00:03:35,818 --> 00:03:39,840 - What's she dealin' with? - Stomach migraines and a racing heart. 69 00:03:40,690 --> 00:03:42,891 Okay. How old is Kaleigh now? 70 00:03:42,893 --> 00:03:44,392 -20. -20. 71 00:03:44,394 --> 00:03:47,529 And she won't stay in here by herself. 72 00:03:47,531 --> 00:03:50,732 Okay. Now who's living here right now? 73 00:03:50,734 --> 00:03:51,933 Me and my daughter. 74 00:03:51,935 --> 00:03:54,068 My husband, he's overseas. 75 00:03:54,070 --> 00:03:56,337 And he comes back in 18 months. 76 00:03:56,339 --> 00:03:57,705 What's he doin' over there? 77 00:03:57,707 --> 00:03:59,874 Construction in Africa. 78 00:03:59,876 --> 00:04:02,377 When exactly did you guys, move in here? 79 00:04:02,379 --> 00:04:03,545 2002. 80 00:04:03,547 --> 00:04:05,613 When the activities start? 81 00:04:05,615 --> 00:04:07,815 Immediately, but it was small. 82 00:04:07,817 --> 00:04:09,183 When did it get violent? 83 00:04:09,185 --> 00:04:12,754 2013, after Mike's mom passed away. 84 00:04:12,756 --> 00:04:14,522 She had cancer. 85 00:04:14,524 --> 00:04:17,058 We have her ashes. 86 00:04:17,060 --> 00:04:18,259 Where? Here in the house? 87 00:04:18,261 --> 00:04:20,862 - Yes. I... - You're kiddin' me. 88 00:04:28,004 --> 00:04:29,571 What can you tell me about your mother-in-law? 89 00:04:29,573 --> 00:04:31,940 Um, she was 65 when she died. 90 00:04:31,942 --> 00:04:34,342 - Okay. - Her name was Ruth. 91 00:04:34,344 --> 00:04:37,078 And those are some pictures of her. 92 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,681 How was Mike's relationship with his mom? Bad. 93 00:04:39,683 --> 00:04:41,416 - It was bad? - It was bad. 94 00:04:41,418 --> 00:04:43,851 She was a very controlling woman. 95 00:04:50,660 --> 00:04:52,927 You all right? 96 00:04:52,929 --> 00:04:57,865 She brought men home in front of Mike. 97 00:04:57,867 --> 00:04:59,701 I know there was infidelity. 98 00:04:59,703 --> 00:05:00,902 So let me get this straight... 99 00:05:00,904 --> 00:05:03,438 While Mike's mother and father were married? 100 00:05:04,941 --> 00:05:06,674 So how did he deal with it? 101 00:05:06,676 --> 00:05:09,444 From what I gather, at the time that he was 16, 102 00:05:09,446 --> 00:05:12,046 he quit talking for a year. 103 00:05:12,048 --> 00:05:13,681 Quit talking to her or just quit talking? 104 00:05:13,683 --> 00:05:15,583 Quit talking. 105 00:05:15,585 --> 00:05:17,118 This looks like it upsets you. 106 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:18,353 It does. 107 00:05:18,355 --> 00:05:20,722 Yeah. Here, take those. 108 00:05:25,462 --> 00:05:30,865 I don't think a child should have to go through that. 109 00:05:34,671 --> 00:05:37,939 When we got together, she didn't like me. 110 00:05:37,941 --> 00:05:38,973 Do you know why? 111 00:05:38,975 --> 00:05:41,709 I was 26 when I ended up pregnant. 112 00:05:41,711 --> 00:05:45,013 When we told her that I was pregnant, she's like, 113 00:05:45,015 --> 00:05:47,281 "Well, I thought you weren't that type of girl." 114 00:05:49,352 --> 00:05:51,285 She wasn't a nice lady. 115 00:05:58,495 --> 00:06:00,361 So there's this dead lady. 116 00:06:03,033 --> 00:06:05,466 She gives a creepy vibe. I don't like her. 117 00:06:05,468 --> 00:06:08,469 She's, like, young mentally. 118 00:06:08,471 --> 00:06:09,971 She's a pretty girl. 119 00:06:09,973 --> 00:06:11,639 She was disgraceful. 120 00:06:11,641 --> 00:06:14,142 I think that she might have been married a few times. 121 00:06:14,144 --> 00:06:16,944 Something about babies. I don't know. 122 00:06:16,946 --> 00:06:18,413 And I don't even know who the **** 123 00:06:18,415 --> 00:06:20,248 she was with to have the babies. Like, you know what I'm sayin'? 124 00:06:20,250 --> 00:06:22,450 Like, these other men... 125 00:06:22,452 --> 00:06:25,753 She's creeping me out. She's creeping me out. 126 00:06:34,698 --> 00:06:36,764 Okay, so why'd you bring me into the kitchen? 127 00:06:36,766 --> 00:06:38,132 One day, I was doin' the dishes... Okay. 128 00:06:38,134 --> 00:06:40,301 ...and a box of tea bags came flyin' at me 129 00:06:40,303 --> 00:06:42,970 and almost hit me, landed behind my feet. 130 00:06:42,972 --> 00:06:44,572 - A box like that? - Yes. 131 00:06:44,574 --> 00:06:46,741 Okay, so what you're tellin' me is it was up here? 132 00:06:46,743 --> 00:06:51,112 Yes. Laying flat, yes. 133 00:06:51,114 --> 00:06:54,048 - All right, so... 134 00:06:54,050 --> 00:06:56,684 Me flingin' it a little bit, it only lands here. 135 00:06:56,686 --> 00:06:58,019 - Yes. - All right. 136 00:06:58,021 --> 00:07:00,154 Well, you got a main road out here. Trucks go by a lot. 137 00:07:00,156 --> 00:07:01,556 I saw when I was comin' up. 138 00:07:01,558 --> 00:07:03,624 Right, but that won't make a box of tea bags fall off. 139 00:07:03,626 --> 00:07:05,960 - Well, not to where you were. - No. 140 00:07:05,962 --> 00:07:08,196 Okay. Anything else in the kitchen? 141 00:07:08,198 --> 00:07:11,432 I always have the unnerving feeling of being watched. 142 00:07:11,434 --> 00:07:13,668 - You feelin' it right now? - Yeah. 143 00:07:13,670 --> 00:07:15,336 Where you feelin' it's comin' from? 144 00:07:15,338 --> 00:07:18,539 Like, right here, like I'm in its space. 145 00:07:18,541 --> 00:07:20,675 Interesting. 146 00:07:20,677 --> 00:07:22,643 All right, anything else? 147 00:07:22,645 --> 00:07:25,113 I hear a woman's voice saying, "Where's Mike?" 148 00:07:25,115 --> 00:07:27,615 - "Where's Mike?" - "Where's Mike?" 149 00:07:27,617 --> 00:07:29,450 All right. The obvious question is, 150 00:07:29,452 --> 00:07:31,519 did it sound like your mother-in-law? 151 00:07:31,521 --> 00:07:34,956 Yeah. 152 00:07:34,958 --> 00:07:37,391 You got some strange stuff goin' on. 153 00:07:37,393 --> 00:07:38,593 - Yeah. - You okay? 154 00:07:38,595 --> 00:07:41,028 Yeah. 155 00:07:41,030 --> 00:07:42,797 It's a lot. 156 00:07:47,036 --> 00:07:49,637 The dead lady, 157 00:07:49,639 --> 00:07:52,974 she's, like, um, a creeper, man. 158 00:07:52,976 --> 00:07:54,776 She gets creepy up on the back of you. 159 00:07:54,778 --> 00:07:57,044 So then your -- your hair goes up. 160 00:07:57,046 --> 00:07:58,846 She just smothers everybody. 161 00:07:58,848 --> 00:08:00,915 She just starts screaming and being weird. 162 00:08:04,187 --> 00:08:07,989 What the ****? 163 00:08:09,959 --> 00:08:13,427 Really likes this room, a lot. 164 00:08:13,429 --> 00:08:16,264 She -- she very much likes the closets. 165 00:08:18,802 --> 00:08:24,672 I saw her, like, throwing shoes or something. 166 00:08:31,781 --> 00:08:33,881 Okay, so what's goin' on in here? 167 00:08:33,883 --> 00:08:37,652 I've been wakin' up with bruises, 168 00:08:37,654 --> 00:08:41,088 I just started noticing them, like fingers. 169 00:08:41,090 --> 00:08:42,924 - Just recently? - Yes. 170 00:08:42,926 --> 00:08:44,258 Have you had any blood work done 171 00:08:44,260 --> 00:08:46,194 to see if you have any immune system problems? 172 00:08:46,196 --> 00:08:48,396 Nothing's wrong. 173 00:08:48,398 --> 00:08:50,264 Okay. 174 00:08:50,266 --> 00:08:52,533 So this seems like a pretty terrifying room for you. 175 00:08:52,535 --> 00:08:55,002 Yeah. Um, this morning, 176 00:08:55,004 --> 00:08:56,904 at 4:00 in the morning, woke up, 177 00:08:56,906 --> 00:08:59,774 and there was a female figure, saw the outline. 178 00:08:59,776 --> 00:09:01,843 She was hitting me. 179 00:09:01,845 --> 00:09:04,111 Who'd the female look like to you? 180 00:09:04,113 --> 00:09:06,647 Short hair. I mean, the outline was short hair. 181 00:09:06,649 --> 00:09:08,082 Do you think it's your mother-in-law? 182 00:09:08,084 --> 00:09:09,984 Yeah. 183 00:09:09,986 --> 00:09:12,486 But I don't wanna say that it was her. 184 00:09:12,488 --> 00:09:15,056 Why would she slap me? 185 00:09:15,058 --> 00:09:17,024 - Well, she didn't like you. - I know. 186 00:09:19,696 --> 00:09:22,396 You okay? Okay. 187 00:09:22,398 --> 00:09:26,767 To see something coming at me to hit me... 188 00:09:26,769 --> 00:09:29,403 I don't know how to explain it. 189 00:09:29,405 --> 00:09:31,305 What do you think's goin' on here? 190 00:09:31,307 --> 00:09:33,841 I think I made somebody angry. 191 00:09:33,843 --> 00:09:35,376 Why do you say that, sweetie? 192 00:09:35,378 --> 00:09:37,712 Possibly angry because Mike's overseas, 193 00:09:37,714 --> 00:09:40,314 and she didn't want him to go. 194 00:09:40,316 --> 00:09:41,682 And who are you gonna tell? 195 00:09:41,684 --> 00:09:44,752 I mean, people are gonna think I'm crazy. 196 00:09:44,754 --> 00:09:47,221 I don't think you're crazy. 197 00:09:47,223 --> 00:09:48,456 All right? 198 00:09:49,626 --> 00:09:52,093 All right. It's okay. 199 00:09:53,596 --> 00:09:57,131 Somebody yelling in here, "Don't be a stupid ****! 200 00:09:57,133 --> 00:10:00,034 Don't be a stupid ****!" 201 00:10:00,036 --> 00:10:02,570 It seems like 202 00:10:02,572 --> 00:10:05,673 she does attacks in here. 203 00:10:05,675 --> 00:10:07,341 What does she do? 204 00:10:07,343 --> 00:10:11,279 Very slowly opening the door... 205 00:10:11,281 --> 00:10:12,613 then she'll rush. 206 00:10:17,053 --> 00:10:21,889 I feel like the living people feel her open, open, open, open 207 00:10:21,891 --> 00:10:24,058 and then attacking. 208 00:10:24,060 --> 00:10:25,927 It's really bad in here. 209 00:10:25,929 --> 00:10:27,828 I guess this is her space. 210 00:10:27,830 --> 00:10:30,331 Like, I think she's claimed this room. 211 00:10:30,333 --> 00:10:31,532 It's, like, direct. 212 00:10:31,534 --> 00:10:33,801 "This is my room. Get the **** out." 213 00:10:55,091 --> 00:10:56,324 So, Kaleigh, I had 214 00:10:56,326 --> 00:10:58,659 a pretty emotional, discussion with your mom. 215 00:10:58,661 --> 00:11:00,795 Are you worried about her? - Yeah. 216 00:11:00,797 --> 00:11:02,430 What about Dad bein' away? 217 00:11:02,432 --> 00:11:03,764 I don't like that he's gone. 218 00:11:03,766 --> 00:11:07,068 But, I mean, it's also kind of nice 219 00:11:07,070 --> 00:11:11,005 because we don't have to walk on eggshells. 220 00:11:11,007 --> 00:11:12,406 What do you mean by "eggshells"? 221 00:11:12,408 --> 00:11:16,310 He gets really mean when he's in the basement. 222 00:11:16,312 --> 00:11:19,981 But after he's up here for a while, it's fine. 223 00:11:19,983 --> 00:11:21,182 Interesting. 224 00:11:21,184 --> 00:11:23,217 So, Kaleigh, when I was talkin' to your mom, 225 00:11:23,219 --> 00:11:26,354 she said the activity picked up enormously 226 00:11:26,356 --> 00:11:29,857 after your grandmother's ashes came into the house. 227 00:11:29,859 --> 00:11:31,392 So do you agree with mom 228 00:11:31,394 --> 00:11:33,694 that she may be here and haunting you guys? 229 00:11:33,696 --> 00:11:37,298 Yeah. She was just a mean old lady. 230 00:11:37,300 --> 00:11:38,299 Okay. 231 00:11:38,301 --> 00:11:41,135 She treated me like crap. 232 00:11:41,137 --> 00:11:43,237 Okay. So I know you guys are havin' experiences. 233 00:11:43,239 --> 00:11:44,372 I wanna hear about yours. 234 00:11:44,374 --> 00:11:47,908 I hear knocking coming from the closet 235 00:11:47,910 --> 00:11:49,910 that's connected to my bedroom. 236 00:11:49,912 --> 00:11:54,448 Like, you know, like, almost like something's falling. 237 00:11:54,450 --> 00:11:57,251 But there's nothing in there that could have fallen. 238 00:11:57,253 --> 00:12:00,187 That's strange. Anything else? 239 00:12:00,189 --> 00:12:03,324 Um, I sometimes wake up with scratches on my face. 240 00:12:03,326 --> 00:12:05,326 - On your face? - Yes. 241 00:12:05,328 --> 00:12:08,262 So the scratches, how often do you get them? 242 00:12:08,264 --> 00:12:10,698 Maybe once every couple weeks. 243 00:12:10,700 --> 00:12:13,934 Let me see your fingernails. 244 00:12:13,936 --> 00:12:16,771 Well, it's not your nails. What about the cats? 245 00:12:16,773 --> 00:12:18,172 The cats don't come in here. 246 00:12:18,174 --> 00:12:20,841 So, Kaleigh, do you think you and mom 247 00:12:20,843 --> 00:12:22,777 are in danger in this house? 248 00:12:22,779 --> 00:12:25,246 - I do. - Okay. 249 00:12:27,750 --> 00:12:29,917 There's, like, a child here. 250 00:12:29,919 --> 00:12:34,688 He has on, like, overalls, lederhosen. 251 00:12:34,690 --> 00:12:37,792 And there's some relationship between him 252 00:12:37,794 --> 00:12:40,628 and the guy who thinks he's cursed. 253 00:12:40,630 --> 00:12:44,765 Some of the things that he does... 254 00:12:44,767 --> 00:12:46,901 It's terrible. It's terrible. 255 00:12:46,903 --> 00:12:49,103 He touches people. 256 00:12:49,105 --> 00:12:52,073 You know, he touches them. 257 00:12:52,075 --> 00:12:55,476 What he does to other kids, not good. 258 00:12:55,478 --> 00:12:58,879 The thing with him with other kids, he'll glom on. 259 00:12:58,881 --> 00:13:00,448 Like, get in them for a little bit, 260 00:13:00,450 --> 00:13:02,316 just a short period. 261 00:13:02,318 --> 00:13:05,252 How people would see the kids 262 00:13:05,254 --> 00:13:07,955 being influenced by this dead kid... 263 00:13:07,957 --> 00:13:10,324 Yeah? ...Is that they would see, like, 264 00:13:10,326 --> 00:13:13,427 the living kid being, like, spaced out 265 00:13:13,429 --> 00:13:16,330 because they're absorbing dead energy. 266 00:13:16,332 --> 00:13:17,998 They could have heart problems. 267 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,201 And the more he does it and the more the living kids 268 00:13:20,203 --> 00:13:22,203 are exposed to him, the worse... 269 00:13:22,205 --> 00:13:23,404 You see what I'm sayin'? 270 00:13:23,406 --> 00:13:25,573 It could be bad, really, really bad. 271 00:13:33,516 --> 00:13:36,350 Lord, what the ****? 272 00:13:36,352 --> 00:13:39,954 Get it away. Get it away from me now. 273 00:13:39,956 --> 00:13:41,755 What just happened? 274 00:13:41,757 --> 00:13:45,359 Something...impacted my head. 275 00:13:45,361 --> 00:13:47,628 I was talking about the little boy, and that happened. 276 00:13:47,630 --> 00:13:52,266 My head hurts so **** bad. 277 00:13:52,268 --> 00:13:54,301 Ooh! 278 00:14:01,210 --> 00:14:03,210 Even though Mike's halfway across the world, 279 00:14:03,212 --> 00:14:05,980 I need to know what he thinks is goin' on at home. 280 00:14:05,982 --> 00:14:08,149 So I've arranged a meeting with him over the Internet 281 00:14:08,151 --> 00:14:09,817 to see what he's got to say. 282 00:14:09,819 --> 00:14:12,419 So, Mike, I understand you're over in Africa, correct? 283 00:14:12,421 --> 00:14:13,754 -Yes. - Okay. 284 00:14:13,756 --> 00:14:15,356 I'm gonna be blunt. Are you - 285 00:14:15,358 --> 00:14:17,124 Do you believe what your wife and daughter are sayin'? 286 00:14:17,126 --> 00:14:19,426 I believe it to a certain extent. 287 00:14:19,428 --> 00:14:21,462 Okay. Your wife thinks when your -- 288 00:14:21,464 --> 00:14:23,764 your mom's remains came into the house, 289 00:14:23,766 --> 00:14:24,798 things changed then. 290 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,700 Do you -- Does that make any sense to you? 291 00:14:26,702 --> 00:14:27,868 It does. 292 00:14:27,870 --> 00:14:29,637 And I'm beginning to wonder 293 00:14:29,639 --> 00:14:32,840 if we need to do something sooner than later. 294 00:14:32,842 --> 00:14:35,009 Okay. Talkin' to your wife, she said that 295 00:14:35,011 --> 00:14:37,478 you and your mom had a difficult relationship. 296 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,347 Yeah. It wasn't -- it wasn't very pleasant. 297 00:14:40,349 --> 00:14:43,417 You know, and she was always, ...you know, 298 00:14:43,419 --> 00:14:45,219 trying to get into everybody's business 299 00:14:45,221 --> 00:14:48,889 and trying to tell them how to live, and stuff like that. 300 00:14:48,891 --> 00:14:50,558 Okay. 301 00:14:55,431 --> 00:14:59,033 The dead man who thinks he's cursed likes it down here. 302 00:14:59,035 --> 00:15:00,568 I think that people get really sad -- 303 00:15:00,570 --> 00:15:02,736 really, really sad down here. 304 00:15:02,738 --> 00:15:04,505 There's a living male here. 305 00:15:04,507 --> 00:15:06,974 The male has issues, big-time issues. 306 00:15:06,976 --> 00:15:09,777 It's, like, emotional ****. Like, emotional problems. 307 00:15:09,779 --> 00:15:12,880 He comes and goes. He comes and goes. 308 00:15:12,882 --> 00:15:15,482 I mean, I don't think he was A-okay to begin with. 309 00:15:15,484 --> 00:15:16,483 You know what I mean? 310 00:15:16,485 --> 00:15:18,352 So he was, like, a really easy target 311 00:15:18,354 --> 00:15:20,654 for this cursed dead guy. 312 00:15:20,656 --> 00:15:21,922 And what does he do to him? 313 00:15:21,924 --> 00:15:26,660 He influences him to act angry. 314 00:15:29,899 --> 00:15:32,933 Mike, have you had any experiences in the house? 315 00:15:32,935 --> 00:15:35,002 I've, you know, seen, like, shadows 316 00:15:35,004 --> 00:15:36,437 out of the corner of my eye. 317 00:15:36,439 --> 00:15:38,772 You know, I'd be in my workout room, 318 00:15:38,774 --> 00:15:40,574 and I got some big mirrors down here. 319 00:15:40,576 --> 00:15:42,710 And -- and it would seem like I'd see it 320 00:15:42,712 --> 00:15:45,079 out of the corner of my eye in the mirror. 321 00:15:45,081 --> 00:15:47,281 So how often were you seein' this? 322 00:15:47,283 --> 00:15:49,917 Maybe once every couple of weeks or so. 323 00:15:49,919 --> 00:15:52,353 Okay. Anything else? 324 00:15:52,355 --> 00:15:55,155 I've had, like, a-a breath or something, 325 00:15:55,157 --> 00:15:58,659 like, on my neck when I was, you know, on the treadmill. 326 00:15:58,661 --> 00:16:00,027 Okay. 327 00:16:00,029 --> 00:16:02,830 Could you figure out if it came from a vent or anything? 328 00:16:02,832 --> 00:16:05,666 There -- there's not a vent, right there. 329 00:16:05,668 --> 00:16:07,434 All right. So I don't know how much of a skeptic you can be 330 00:16:07,436 --> 00:16:09,303 after experiencing something like that. 331 00:16:09,305 --> 00:16:10,704 Right. 332 00:16:14,243 --> 00:16:16,977 The guy who thinks he's cursed, 333 00:16:16,979 --> 00:16:20,114 he feels like this is his hell. 334 00:16:20,116 --> 00:16:21,348 But his main focus 335 00:16:21,350 --> 00:16:23,751 is just to get these living people out of here. 336 00:16:23,753 --> 00:16:27,721 He pushes weird, emotions on them. 337 00:16:27,723 --> 00:16:30,324 They feel ashamed for no reason. 338 00:16:30,326 --> 00:16:32,393 They feel guilt for no reason. 339 00:16:32,395 --> 00:16:34,528 They feel sad for no reason. 340 00:16:34,530 --> 00:16:37,464 How do you think prolonged exposure to this guy 341 00:16:37,466 --> 00:16:38,832 would affect the living? 342 00:16:38,834 --> 00:16:44,004 I think that he would drive the living male insane. 343 00:16:58,087 --> 00:17:00,254 The second I get to a town, I work the phones -- 344 00:17:00,256 --> 00:17:03,257 cops, historians, local journalists. 345 00:17:03,259 --> 00:17:04,825 I try to see if anyone has a lead. 346 00:17:04,827 --> 00:17:06,927 I just got a call back from a genealogist 347 00:17:06,929 --> 00:17:09,530 who says one of the original owners of the land 348 00:17:09,532 --> 00:17:11,565 has pretty amazing and tragic story 349 00:17:11,567 --> 00:17:13,167 I'm definitely gonna wanna hear about. 350 00:17:20,109 --> 00:17:21,342 You had mentioned on the phone 351 00:17:21,344 --> 00:17:22,710 one of the original owners of the property 352 00:17:22,712 --> 00:17:25,579 I'm investigating had a pretty tragic time there. 353 00:17:25,581 --> 00:17:27,614 But before we get to that, who was this guy? 354 00:17:27,616 --> 00:17:28,982 Well, John Baumler. 355 00:17:28,984 --> 00:17:33,053 He came over from Germany, immigrated in 1880. 356 00:17:33,055 --> 00:17:34,755 He was 29 years old. 357 00:17:34,757 --> 00:17:37,458 This is John Baumler's immigration record. 358 00:17:37,460 --> 00:17:39,393 He came with his wife Anna 359 00:17:39,395 --> 00:17:42,596 and two children -- Leonard and Frederica. 360 00:17:42,598 --> 00:17:44,465 Okay. It says here he's a farmer. 361 00:17:44,467 --> 00:17:47,301 He's a farmer. Six days after they got here, 362 00:17:47,303 --> 00:17:50,404 their 9-month-old daughter dies. 363 00:17:50,406 --> 00:17:53,974 And 8 days after that, their son dies. 364 00:17:53,976 --> 00:17:55,175 My god. 365 00:17:55,177 --> 00:17:57,344 I managed to track down the death records. 366 00:17:57,346 --> 00:18:00,147 And here they are, the two children. 367 00:18:01,417 --> 00:18:03,684 Do we know what they died of? 368 00:18:03,686 --> 00:18:04,852 No. 369 00:18:04,854 --> 00:18:07,321 They may have contracted something on the boat. 370 00:18:07,323 --> 00:18:08,856 Okay, so at some point, 371 00:18:08,858 --> 00:18:10,424 they make it to St. Charles with no kids. 372 00:18:10,426 --> 00:18:11,425 Correct. 373 00:18:11,427 --> 00:18:12,426 Do they try to start a family again? 374 00:18:12,428 --> 00:18:14,495 Yes. They had two more children. 375 00:18:14,497 --> 00:18:17,498 And then tragedy strikes again for John Baumler. 376 00:18:17,500 --> 00:18:18,732 What happened? 377 00:18:18,734 --> 00:18:21,068 In 1884, his wife dies. 378 00:18:21,070 --> 00:18:22,936 Do we know why or how? 379 00:18:22,938 --> 00:18:24,872 No, we don't have the records, 380 00:18:24,874 --> 00:18:27,474 but we think it probably was childbirth. 381 00:18:27,476 --> 00:18:28,742 Okay. 382 00:18:33,516 --> 00:18:36,583 This cursed guy, he's very much like, 383 00:18:36,585 --> 00:18:39,219 "I lived here. I lived here. I died here." 384 00:18:39,221 --> 00:18:42,756 So he... I don't know how he died. 385 00:18:42,758 --> 00:18:44,892 Do you know what he did in life? 386 00:18:44,894 --> 00:18:48,095 I believe he was a farmer. 387 00:18:48,097 --> 00:18:52,533 I saw him working with land and cows and horses and stuff. 388 00:18:55,771 --> 00:18:57,938 Something happened to his entire family. 389 00:18:57,940 --> 00:18:59,706 He feels responsible. 390 00:19:02,077 --> 00:19:04,411 Already this guy's life is a sad story. 391 00:19:04,413 --> 00:19:06,180 - Yes. - Wh-- what happens next? 392 00:19:06,182 --> 00:19:08,515 Well, over the next 31 years, 393 00:19:08,517 --> 00:19:12,619 he actually marries three times and loses each of his wives. 394 00:19:12,621 --> 00:19:13,887 What the hell happened? 395 00:19:13,889 --> 00:19:16,957 The next wife, whose name was Minnie Kutzbach, 396 00:19:16,959 --> 00:19:19,126 she died in 1890. 397 00:19:19,128 --> 00:19:21,128 Okay, so she dies, say it -- what is says here is, 398 00:19:21,130 --> 00:19:23,764 "consumption," which is... - Tuberculosis. 399 00:19:23,766 --> 00:19:27,234 The next wife's name was Wilhelmina Wall. 400 00:19:27,236 --> 00:19:28,368 Okay. 401 00:19:28,370 --> 00:19:31,505 She dies in 1913 of an infection 402 00:19:31,507 --> 00:19:36,577 which affects her heart and her kidneys. 403 00:19:36,579 --> 00:19:39,279 He marries again in less than a year, 404 00:19:39,281 --> 00:19:40,814 in 1914. 405 00:19:40,816 --> 00:19:41,915 Okay. 406 00:19:41,917 --> 00:19:44,051 And their marriage was the shortest of all. 407 00:19:44,053 --> 00:19:47,221 And within a year and a half, she dies. 408 00:19:47,223 --> 00:19:51,225 She is struck and killed by an automobile. 409 00:19:51,227 --> 00:19:53,260 Okay, I'm almost even afraid to ask 410 00:19:53,262 --> 00:19:54,695 if this guy got married again. 411 00:19:54,697 --> 00:19:56,396 Yes, he did, Steve. 412 00:19:56,398 --> 00:20:00,300 In 1918, he marries a 47-year-old widow 413 00:20:00,302 --> 00:20:03,904 by the name of Christina Barnekow. 414 00:20:03,906 --> 00:20:05,506 Okay. 415 00:20:05,508 --> 00:20:07,074 And in 1920, 416 00:20:07,076 --> 00:20:09,243 he buys your client's property. 417 00:20:09,245 --> 00:20:11,645 All right, so they're on my client's property. 418 00:20:11,647 --> 00:20:12,980 Please tell me it went well for these guys. 419 00:20:12,982 --> 00:20:14,815 Well, it did for a while. 420 00:20:14,817 --> 00:20:16,517 But in 1929, 421 00:20:16,519 --> 00:20:19,253 John Baumler was struck and killed 422 00:20:19,255 --> 00:20:21,922 by a hit-and-run driver. 423 00:20:21,924 --> 00:20:23,657 A hit-and-run, so nobody ever got caught? 424 00:20:23,659 --> 00:20:25,959 No one ever was caught. 425 00:20:25,961 --> 00:20:27,461 This is one of the worst stories 426 00:20:27,463 --> 00:20:28,962 I've ever heard about a guy's life. 427 00:20:28,964 --> 00:20:30,464 It was a very tragic life. 428 00:20:35,237 --> 00:20:37,804 I think that a lot of things went wrong, like, 429 00:20:37,806 --> 00:20:41,775 with his business and his family. 430 00:20:41,777 --> 00:20:44,878 His whole family dies. 431 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,314 L- like, I feel a wife. 432 00:20:47,316 --> 00:20:50,784 I feel like there were kids. 433 00:20:50,786 --> 00:20:53,921 But I do think 434 00:20:53,923 --> 00:20:55,856 that they died from an illness. 435 00:20:55,858 --> 00:20:58,625 And I think that he feels responsible. 436 00:20:58,627 --> 00:21:00,427 They got sick and -- and they died, 437 00:21:00,429 --> 00:21:03,330 and he feels that somehow he contributed to that. 438 00:21:05,067 --> 00:21:08,368 And then he said that everybody died. 439 00:21:08,370 --> 00:21:12,773 And so he felt like he was cursed. 440 00:21:12,775 --> 00:21:15,709 It feels like there's still a curse here existing, 441 00:21:15,711 --> 00:21:17,344 like it never ceased. 442 00:21:21,083 --> 00:21:23,316 This curse, he thinks it's like a monster. 443 00:21:29,424 --> 00:21:31,858 If you need us to investigate unexplained activity 444 00:21:31,860 --> 00:21:33,693 in your home, go to the "Dead Files" page 445 00:21:33,695 --> 00:21:35,628 at travelchannel.com. 446 00:21:35,630 --> 00:21:37,530 Click on "Help me, Dead Files!" to submit your story, 447 00:21:37,532 --> 00:21:38,665 and we'll help if we can. 448 00:21:46,808 --> 00:21:48,308 So far, I've got a mother and daughter 449 00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:49,742 being terrorized on a property 450 00:21:49,744 --> 00:21:52,212 that's had several tragic deaths. 451 00:21:52,214 --> 00:21:53,813 But I need to see if there's anything more 452 00:21:53,815 --> 00:21:57,083 that could help my investigation. 453 00:21:57,085 --> 00:21:59,219 Searchin' through old records, I find a man 454 00:21:59,221 --> 00:22:01,387 who was crushed to death right in front of his son. 455 00:22:01,389 --> 00:22:03,123 Turns out it happened in a coal mine 456 00:22:03,125 --> 00:22:05,892 just a few thousand feet from my client's property. 457 00:22:07,395 --> 00:22:09,095 So I just spoke to a mining expert 458 00:22:09,097 --> 00:22:12,499 who says that tragedy is just the tip of the iceberg. 459 00:22:12,501 --> 00:22:13,833 He says that St. Charles' mines 460 00:22:13,835 --> 00:22:15,401 were nothing less than deathtraps, 461 00:22:15,403 --> 00:22:17,570 and he's got the headlines to prove it. 462 00:22:22,811 --> 00:22:25,378 So I came across that tragic accident 463 00:22:25,380 --> 00:22:27,747 that happened in the mine right near my client's property. 464 00:22:27,749 --> 00:22:29,449 But before we get to that, 465 00:22:29,451 --> 00:22:32,252 what was mining like in St. Charles at that time? 466 00:22:32,254 --> 00:22:34,988 Well, it starts right around 1896, Steve. 467 00:22:34,990 --> 00:22:37,090 Okay. Um, and it's kind of an accident in and of itself, 468 00:22:37,092 --> 00:22:38,491 what all that happens. 469 00:22:38,493 --> 00:22:41,427 Um, you got a guy that's diggin' a water well... 470 00:22:41,429 --> 00:22:42,695 Okay. 471 00:22:42,697 --> 00:22:44,130 ...and, he basically hits a bunch of black rock. 472 00:22:44,132 --> 00:22:45,932 Turns out to be coal. 473 00:22:45,934 --> 00:22:48,134 And, the next thing you know, 474 00:22:48,136 --> 00:22:49,969 basically you got a little bit of an economic boom goin' on. 475 00:22:49,971 --> 00:22:51,638 Who would have worked these mines? 476 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,840 A lot of, Eastern European immigrants 477 00:22:53,842 --> 00:22:55,108 that came into the area. 478 00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:56,342 And you know, you gotta remember, 479 00:22:56,344 --> 00:22:57,877 this is before labor laws. 480 00:22:57,879 --> 00:23:01,181 And so you got literally kids workin' in these mines. 481 00:23:02,684 --> 00:23:04,384 So, T.J., I know mining's dangerous, 482 00:23:04,386 --> 00:23:05,785 but what were the conditions like 483 00:23:05,787 --> 00:23:07,253 for the mines here in St. Charles? 484 00:23:07,255 --> 00:23:08,922 You got cave-ins. 485 00:23:08,924 --> 00:23:10,089 You got, 486 00:23:10,091 --> 00:23:12,025 highly explosive gases that are down there. 487 00:23:12,027 --> 00:23:14,627 I mean, all you gotta do is look at pictures like this. 488 00:23:14,629 --> 00:23:17,730 And all you can see there's -- there's the guy's legs. 489 00:23:17,732 --> 00:23:19,933 Jeez. 490 00:23:19,935 --> 00:23:21,801 Okay, so now the accidents that happen 491 00:23:21,803 --> 00:23:23,703 near my client's property, what're we talkin' about? 492 00:23:23,705 --> 00:23:24,904 How close was it? 493 00:23:24,906 --> 00:23:26,806 Well, you're lookin' at less than a 1/2-mile. 494 00:23:26,808 --> 00:23:28,641 I got a map here 495 00:23:28,643 --> 00:23:32,612 that actually shows the Robert Gage No. 8 mine. 496 00:23:32,614 --> 00:23:35,181 And, your client's property's right about here. 497 00:23:35,183 --> 00:23:36,482 Okay, almost towards the end of the mine. 498 00:23:36,484 --> 00:23:38,318 Yeah, exactly. 499 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,253 So when did this accident happen? 500 00:23:40,255 --> 00:23:41,955 The year was 1901. 501 00:23:41,957 --> 00:23:45,792 And, the victim's name is Albert Newman. 502 00:23:45,794 --> 00:23:47,727 He and his son, were working 503 00:23:47,729 --> 00:23:49,529 in one of the rooms in the mine. 504 00:23:49,531 --> 00:23:51,130 And, he was evidently 505 00:23:51,132 --> 00:23:53,533 testing out the roof of that room 506 00:23:53,535 --> 00:23:55,835 to, get ready to drill into it. 507 00:23:55,837 --> 00:23:57,470 Sent his son out to another room, 508 00:23:57,472 --> 00:24:00,840 and, the son heard what he thought was water rushing. 509 00:24:00,842 --> 00:24:04,611 And it turned out it's, basically his dad's own blood. 510 00:24:04,613 --> 00:24:07,146 He walked back into the room to find that, 511 00:24:07,148 --> 00:24:10,617 about 50 tons had, dropped onto his dad. 512 00:24:10,619 --> 00:24:12,118 That's a pretty sad story when, you know -- 513 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:14,687 you know, a son's finding his father like that. 514 00:24:14,689 --> 00:24:16,256 So now, T.J., you mentioned on the phone, 515 00:24:16,258 --> 00:24:18,758 you found some more accidents near my client's property. 516 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,095 Basically December of 1907, we have a Ray Clipper. 517 00:24:22,097 --> 00:24:25,231 Again, here's a guy that's crushed to death. 518 00:24:25,233 --> 00:24:27,233 What a way to go. Mnh. 519 00:24:27,235 --> 00:24:29,369 This guy's only 21 years old. - Yeah. 520 00:24:29,371 --> 00:24:31,237 In April 1920, 521 00:24:31,239 --> 00:24:34,274 Nelson Carl Smith fell 20 feet. 522 00:24:34,276 --> 00:24:35,608 All right, so, T.J., 523 00:24:35,610 --> 00:24:37,777 you said it started in 1896 with the mining. 524 00:24:37,779 --> 00:24:41,281 Do we know how long the mine by my client's property lasted? 525 00:24:41,283 --> 00:24:45,218 The Robert Gage No. 8 mine lasted until roughly about 1931. 526 00:24:47,522 --> 00:24:51,424 This cursed dead guy is talking about tunnels, 527 00:24:51,426 --> 00:24:53,126 something about a tunnel. 528 00:24:53,128 --> 00:24:54,627 Tunnels, tunnels, tunnels. 529 00:24:56,965 --> 00:24:59,365 There's, like, multiple bodies, 530 00:24:59,367 --> 00:25:01,234 and he's just, like, rambling about it. 531 00:25:01,236 --> 00:25:02,468 Where are they? 532 00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:03,836 They're just lyin' on the floor. 533 00:25:06,908 --> 00:25:09,442 How many? 534 00:25:09,444 --> 00:25:10,877 Three or four. 535 00:25:10,879 --> 00:25:12,145 Can you describe them? 536 00:25:12,147 --> 00:25:14,847 It's, like, this mangled mess of flesh. 537 00:25:14,849 --> 00:25:16,849 He just says, "There's tunnels all over the place," 538 00:25:16,851 --> 00:25:19,485 and that we should put the bodies in the tunnel 539 00:25:19,487 --> 00:25:20,887 'cause that's where they belong. 540 00:25:26,895 --> 00:25:29,862 I saw a lot of disturbing things on my walk, 541 00:25:29,864 --> 00:25:31,798 but the dead lady tormenting a living woman 542 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,434 had me the most concerned. 543 00:25:34,436 --> 00:25:39,038 It was in a small, blue room. 544 00:25:42,043 --> 00:25:43,643 She had eyes... - Okay. 545 00:25:43,645 --> 00:25:46,279 ...but they were not human-looking. 546 00:25:47,582 --> 00:25:51,718 And then her face looked like a witch. 547 00:25:55,757 --> 00:25:58,224 Is this what you saw? 548 00:25:58,226 --> 00:26:00,026 Yes, that's what I saw. 549 00:26:20,148 --> 00:26:22,982 Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, 550 00:26:22,984 --> 00:26:24,283 we're ready to reveal our findings 551 00:26:24,285 --> 00:26:27,920 to each other and our clients for the first time. 552 00:26:27,922 --> 00:26:29,222 Amy, I'd like you to meet Janice. 553 00:26:29,224 --> 00:26:31,023 This is her daughter Kaleigh. 554 00:26:31,025 --> 00:26:35,128 Um, to put it bluntly, what's goin' on here sucks. 555 00:26:35,130 --> 00:26:38,197 These two have no life. They live in fear. 556 00:26:38,199 --> 00:26:40,199 And the worst part is they're goin' through this alone. 557 00:26:40,201 --> 00:26:43,569 Now Janice's husband Michael... 558 00:26:46,241 --> 00:26:49,675 He's away in Africa working for about 18 months. 559 00:26:49,677 --> 00:26:52,678 Now, they can't afford to leave, 560 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,981 but they can't go on like this, 561 00:26:54,983 --> 00:26:58,384 so hopefully we can help them out tonight. 562 00:26:58,386 --> 00:26:59,852 So now that Amy knows just a little bit 563 00:26:59,854 --> 00:27:01,053 about who you are, 564 00:27:01,055 --> 00:27:03,923 I'm gonna ask her to describe her walk. 565 00:27:03,925 --> 00:27:07,860 There are three conscious, dead people 566 00:27:07,862 --> 00:27:11,264 that are causing issues here. 567 00:27:11,266 --> 00:27:14,734 But before I get into discussing them, 568 00:27:14,736 --> 00:27:17,236 I wanted to tell you something 569 00:27:17,238 --> 00:27:20,606 that I got when I was in the basement. 570 00:27:20,608 --> 00:27:24,510 When I was down there, one of the deceased individuals 571 00:27:24,512 --> 00:27:28,414 was going on and on about something about tunnels. 572 00:27:28,416 --> 00:27:32,819 And he was showing me maybe, like, three or four dead people. 573 00:27:32,821 --> 00:27:34,720 But they were such a mess. 574 00:27:34,722 --> 00:27:37,924 Just, like, a clump of gore. 575 00:27:37,926 --> 00:27:43,729 And he told me that these bodies needed to be moved 576 00:27:43,731 --> 00:27:46,332 into the tunnels where they belonged. 577 00:27:46,334 --> 00:27:48,601 I didn't really have to think about this one too long. 578 00:27:48,603 --> 00:27:49,969 Back in 1896, 579 00:27:49,971 --> 00:27:52,672 St. Charles became a really big mining town for coal. 580 00:27:54,008 --> 00:27:57,477 Take a look at this map of... 581 00:27:57,479 --> 00:28:00,079 the Robert Gage No. 8 mine. 582 00:28:00,081 --> 00:28:02,482 Your house sits right here. 583 00:28:02,484 --> 00:28:04,150 This is the end of the mine. 584 00:28:04,152 --> 00:28:06,252 Yeah, that makes sense. 585 00:28:06,254 --> 00:28:08,621 As you guys probably know, mining's dangerous work. 586 00:28:08,623 --> 00:28:09,789 The expert I spoke to told me 587 00:28:09,791 --> 00:28:11,057 there was a ton of accidents here -- 588 00:28:11,059 --> 00:28:13,359 cave-ins, explosions, the whole nine yards. 589 00:28:13,361 --> 00:28:14,560 I've actually got a photo. 590 00:28:14,562 --> 00:28:16,429 This is a picture of what it would look 591 00:28:16,431 --> 00:28:18,397 like when a mine caved in on somebody. 592 00:28:18,399 --> 00:28:21,300 - My god. - Wow. 593 00:28:21,302 --> 00:28:22,635 In 1901, 594 00:28:22,637 --> 00:28:25,571 an accident just like this happened within 5,000 feet 595 00:28:25,573 --> 00:28:26,839 from your property here. 596 00:28:26,841 --> 00:28:31,277 The man working was basically crushed to death. 597 00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:32,411 Wow. 598 00:28:36,584 --> 00:28:39,619 The first dead person that I'm going to talk about 599 00:28:39,621 --> 00:28:42,288 is the female that I encountered. 600 00:28:42,290 --> 00:28:43,890 She's very creepy. 601 00:28:43,892 --> 00:28:45,691 She kind of spooked me. 602 00:28:45,693 --> 00:28:48,895 She likes to torture living people. 603 00:28:48,897 --> 00:28:51,664 One of the things that I saw her doing 604 00:28:51,666 --> 00:28:54,467 was messing around with shoes and, like, 605 00:28:54,469 --> 00:28:57,236 throwing them and moving them about. 606 00:28:57,238 --> 00:29:02,575 And in the very back bedroom, um, I saw her smother people. 607 00:29:02,577 --> 00:29:04,243 Like, they couldn't breathe. 608 00:29:04,245 --> 00:29:06,345 Is it possible that these guys would be able to see her? 609 00:29:06,347 --> 00:29:08,347 It's possible. 610 00:29:08,349 --> 00:29:10,349 Janice encountered a female. 611 00:29:10,351 --> 00:29:11,751 Tried to slap me. 612 00:29:11,753 --> 00:29:14,520 Ooh! Okay. 613 00:29:14,522 --> 00:29:15,821 Tell her what happened in the kitchen. 614 00:29:15,823 --> 00:29:17,323 I was doin' the dishes, 615 00:29:17,325 --> 00:29:19,191 and the tea bags were on the top shelf. 616 00:29:19,193 --> 00:29:22,662 And they came flying off and landed, um, behind my feet. 617 00:29:22,664 --> 00:29:24,196 Okay. 618 00:29:24,198 --> 00:29:25,932 Does she do anything else, this woman? 619 00:29:25,934 --> 00:29:30,636 Yes. One of her things to do is to creep up behind people. 620 00:29:30,638 --> 00:29:34,040 One of her favorite areas is this blue room here. 621 00:29:34,042 --> 00:29:39,612 I saw her, like, creeping out of the closet. 622 00:29:39,614 --> 00:29:43,516 Very slowly opening the door, 623 00:29:43,518 --> 00:29:44,884 then she'll rush. 624 00:29:50,191 --> 00:29:53,059 I thought that maybe the living would experience, 625 00:29:53,061 --> 00:29:56,162 like, kind of a panic attack kind of feeling... 626 00:29:56,164 --> 00:29:58,564 - Associated with this. 627 00:29:58,566 --> 00:30:03,002 That closet, um, is also connected to my bedroom. 628 00:30:03,004 --> 00:30:05,104 - And I'll here, like, 629 00:30:05,106 --> 00:30:07,440 knocking noises, almost like stuff is falling over. 630 00:30:07,442 --> 00:30:09,775 - Interesting. - She watches. 631 00:30:09,777 --> 00:30:10,943 - I feel... - Yeah. 632 00:30:10,945 --> 00:30:13,346 ...constantly watched wherever we are. 633 00:30:13,348 --> 00:30:16,182 I mean, I always feel like I have to look over my shoulder 634 00:30:16,184 --> 00:30:19,285 and make sure that, you know, there's nobody there. 635 00:30:19,287 --> 00:30:23,055 I did have a sketch done of what I saw her doing. 636 00:30:26,461 --> 00:30:27,760 ****. 637 00:30:31,132 --> 00:30:33,399 - My god. - My god. 638 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,239 I don't like that. 639 00:30:46,447 --> 00:30:49,215 That's creepy. 640 00:30:49,217 --> 00:30:51,784 She's...in my room as well? 641 00:30:51,786 --> 00:30:52,918 Which room is yours? 642 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,454 - The pink one. - İn the closet. 643 00:30:55,456 --> 00:30:58,557 And that's why I don't like my closet. 644 00:31:03,898 --> 00:31:05,364 Who do you think this woman might have been 645 00:31:05,366 --> 00:31:06,699 when she was alive? 646 00:31:06,701 --> 00:31:09,468 She was actually pretty. 647 00:31:09,470 --> 00:31:12,972 I got that she had either a lot of men in her life 648 00:31:12,974 --> 00:31:15,975 or was married multiple times. 649 00:31:15,977 --> 00:31:19,545 Um...her family tried 650 00:31:19,547 --> 00:31:22,048 or did have her locked away at some point. 651 00:31:22,050 --> 00:31:26,318 They thought that she was kind of a disgrace to the family. 652 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,656 And I got that she is jealous of a female here, 653 00:31:30,658 --> 00:31:33,125 and that's why she's acting out so much. 654 00:31:36,030 --> 00:31:39,265 Well, we got the elephant in the room to talk about. 655 00:31:39,267 --> 00:31:42,368 I know the three of us are thinking about the same person. 656 00:31:42,370 --> 00:31:44,770 You know what? This is who we're talking about. 657 00:31:46,874 --> 00:31:48,908 These are the remains of her mother-in-law Ruth. 658 00:31:48,910 --> 00:31:51,444 In 2013, Ruth dies of... leukemia? 659 00:31:51,446 --> 00:31:52,578 Yes. 660 00:31:52,580 --> 00:31:54,046 Now, when they brought the ashes home 661 00:31:54,048 --> 00:31:55,414 is when things got violent. 662 00:31:55,416 --> 00:31:56,749 Wow. 663 00:31:56,751 --> 00:31:58,884 Do me a favor, Janice. Tell her how she was in life. 664 00:31:58,886 --> 00:32:02,421 She wasn't a very good person. She traumatized Mike. 665 00:32:04,959 --> 00:32:08,561 When she was married to Mike's dad, 666 00:32:08,563 --> 00:32:12,832 she had multiple lovers, 667 00:32:12,834 --> 00:32:15,668 and did it in front of Mike. 668 00:32:16,771 --> 00:32:18,003 She didn't like you either. 669 00:32:18,005 --> 00:32:20,406 No, she didn't like me. 670 00:32:20,408 --> 00:32:22,374 I got photos of her at different ages. 671 00:32:24,512 --> 00:32:27,747 Wow. 672 00:32:29,517 --> 00:32:31,484 Any idea if this might be who you saw? 673 00:32:31,486 --> 00:32:32,885 - Yes. - Okay. 674 00:32:32,887 --> 00:32:35,321 Her face is exactly like that. 675 00:32:44,732 --> 00:32:46,398 What else is goin' on? 676 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,769 Then I saw a dead child. 677 00:32:49,771 --> 00:32:54,006 So I'd actually put him between 7 and 8 years of age. 678 00:32:54,008 --> 00:32:56,442 And he was wearing a funny outfit, 679 00:32:56,444 --> 00:32:58,577 kind of resembled lederhosen. 680 00:32:58,579 --> 00:33:04,350 He interacts consistently with the living here. 681 00:33:04,352 --> 00:33:06,552 I saw him touching living people. 682 00:33:06,554 --> 00:33:10,156 Um, specifically, caressing faces, 683 00:33:10,158 --> 00:33:12,158 playing with their hair. 684 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,328 The problem with him is that if there's any living children 685 00:33:16,330 --> 00:33:18,030 within the vicinity, 686 00:33:18,032 --> 00:33:23,335 he will try to, like, glom on to them. 687 00:33:24,772 --> 00:33:29,708 It's very bad for the living because it can make them sick. 688 00:33:29,710 --> 00:33:32,378 It can cause major health problems, 689 00:33:32,380 --> 00:33:36,816 one of which could be heart issues. 690 00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:40,719 He can also become violent. 691 00:33:40,721 --> 00:33:43,889 When I was talking to him in the middle room, 692 00:33:43,891 --> 00:33:49,662 I suddenly had, like, a horrible blow to my head. 693 00:33:50,631 --> 00:33:53,833 Well, that just about hit every friggin' experience 694 00:33:53,835 --> 00:33:55,201 you guys are goin' through. 695 00:33:55,203 --> 00:34:00,039 I have had stomach problems ever since I was a baby. 696 00:34:00,041 --> 00:34:01,941 Now on top of that, 697 00:34:01,943 --> 00:34:05,077 there's something wrong with my heart. 698 00:34:05,079 --> 00:34:06,345 Wow. 699 00:34:06,347 --> 00:34:08,047 They still have no idea what's wrong. 700 00:34:14,422 --> 00:34:18,624 See, I think she's doing this. I think she's doin' you. 701 00:34:20,828 --> 00:34:23,062 I think the kid's doin' you. 702 00:34:25,499 --> 00:34:28,901 It's like you're his toy. 703 00:34:31,806 --> 00:34:32,938 You said there are three dead people 704 00:34:32,940 --> 00:34:34,640 you're concerned about. 705 00:34:34,642 --> 00:34:38,043 The other person was this guy, 706 00:34:38,045 --> 00:34:40,312 and he is a pretty serious threat. 707 00:34:40,314 --> 00:34:43,515 He's somehow related to this little kid. 708 00:34:43,517 --> 00:34:46,418 I don't know if it was father or grandfather. 709 00:34:46,420 --> 00:34:47,887 One of the things about this guy 710 00:34:47,889 --> 00:34:51,156 is that he feels extreme sense of guilt. 711 00:34:51,158 --> 00:34:53,425 Um, I saw him at one point 712 00:34:53,427 --> 00:34:55,094 where he, like, falls to his knees. 713 00:34:55,096 --> 00:34:57,763 And he's like, "Aah! It's all the curse. 714 00:34:57,765 --> 00:35:00,132 It's the curse. I caused the curse." 715 00:35:00,134 --> 00:35:02,568 Somehow he lost his entire family 716 00:35:02,570 --> 00:35:05,271 and he feels completely responsible for it. 717 00:35:05,273 --> 00:35:07,606 What I got about him was that he worked outside a lot. 718 00:35:07,608 --> 00:35:09,275 I felt like he was a farmer. 719 00:35:09,277 --> 00:35:11,277 He lived on the property, died on the property, 720 00:35:11,279 --> 00:35:13,145 was buried on this property. 721 00:35:13,147 --> 00:35:14,647 So I do have one guy in my research 722 00:35:14,649 --> 00:35:16,415 that fits that bill. 723 00:35:16,417 --> 00:35:17,650 One of the first owners 724 00:35:17,652 --> 00:35:19,952 of the property was a guy named John Baumler. 725 00:35:19,954 --> 00:35:21,320 He was a German immigrant 726 00:35:21,322 --> 00:35:23,923 who came to the country in 1880 at the age of 29. 727 00:35:23,925 --> 00:35:27,026 So when she said "lederhosen," it kind of made sense. 728 00:35:27,028 --> 00:35:29,094 Now you mentioned he lost his entire family. 729 00:35:29,096 --> 00:35:30,596 When he crossed the Atlantic with his wife, 730 00:35:30,598 --> 00:35:32,831 he had a baby girl and a 2-year-old boy. 731 00:35:32,833 --> 00:35:34,667 But within 2 weeks of arriving in America, 732 00:35:34,669 --> 00:35:36,302 they were both gone, both dead. 733 00:35:36,304 --> 00:35:37,703 Jeez. 734 00:35:37,705 --> 00:35:40,439 We think they died of some kind of disease on the boat. 735 00:35:40,441 --> 00:35:41,941 There's no records of it. 736 00:35:41,943 --> 00:35:44,209 He must have felt guilty about putting his family at risk 737 00:35:44,211 --> 00:35:46,011 by bringing them over here. 738 00:35:46,013 --> 00:35:48,280 Now I wish this was the end of John Baumler's story, 739 00:35:48,282 --> 00:35:50,516 but this was just the beginning. 740 00:35:50,518 --> 00:35:53,986 Four years after gettin' into town, Baumler's wife dies. 741 00:35:53,988 --> 00:35:56,288 Now, get this -- over the next 30 years, 742 00:35:56,290 --> 00:35:57,690 he's married three more times, 743 00:35:57,692 --> 00:35:59,658 and every single one of them died. 744 00:35:59,660 --> 00:36:02,628 - That's insane! - He marries a fifth time. 745 00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:05,164 No. He should've just stopped. 746 00:36:05,166 --> 00:36:07,599 For 9 years, until 1929, 747 00:36:07,601 --> 00:36:09,768 he lived right here on your land where the house is built. 748 00:36:09,770 --> 00:36:13,439 And, he gets killed by a hit-and-run. 749 00:36:13,441 --> 00:36:15,407 What? I got his death certificate here. 750 00:36:16,477 --> 00:36:18,610 This guy had one of the most miserable lives I've... 751 00:36:18,612 --> 00:36:20,045 My god. 752 00:36:20,047 --> 00:36:22,848 ...ever come across. - Wow. 753 00:36:22,850 --> 00:36:25,684 Do you think this is who you might've seen? Yes. 754 00:36:29,557 --> 00:36:31,557 Now you said you were worried about this guy. 755 00:36:31,559 --> 00:36:33,625 What's he do? - This was interesting. 756 00:36:33,627 --> 00:36:36,562 He can't do anything physical, 757 00:36:36,564 --> 00:36:41,533 but he's, like, mastered emotional abuse. 758 00:36:41,535 --> 00:36:44,403 Living people will become extremely overwhelmed 759 00:36:44,405 --> 00:36:47,439 by these sudden emotions. 760 00:36:47,441 --> 00:36:51,410 One of them is shame, feeling an intense amount of shame 761 00:36:51,412 --> 00:36:54,680 for no reason, guilt for no reason, 762 00:36:54,682 --> 00:36:57,483 feeling sad for no reason. 763 00:36:57,485 --> 00:37:00,719 I... 764 00:37:00,721 --> 00:37:05,124 I feel guilty for not bein' able to take care of her. 765 00:37:05,126 --> 00:37:10,596 I feel guilty about things that happened in my past. 766 00:37:10,598 --> 00:37:13,132 I've been constantly saying that I'm overwhelmed. 767 00:37:13,134 --> 00:37:16,835 Do you think that this guy could be influencing her? 768 00:37:16,837 --> 00:37:18,170 Yeah. 769 00:37:20,474 --> 00:37:23,675 His favorite area is the basement. 770 00:37:25,846 --> 00:37:28,981 When I was down there, I got, 771 00:37:28,983 --> 00:37:33,052 that he had his sights set on a male. 772 00:37:35,689 --> 00:37:37,456 He felt like this male was 773 00:37:37,458 --> 00:37:40,592 an extremely easy target for him. 774 00:37:40,594 --> 00:37:44,196 I got that the living male comes and goes from the house a lot. 775 00:37:44,198 --> 00:37:47,733 I got that he does have emotional issues. 776 00:37:47,735 --> 00:37:50,903 And he will act out, 777 00:37:50,905 --> 00:37:53,405 in anger and lash out. 778 00:37:53,407 --> 00:37:54,840 I got that if this living male 779 00:37:54,842 --> 00:37:58,377 is exposed to this dead male 780 00:37:58,379 --> 00:38:01,180 for a long period of time, 781 00:38:01,182 --> 00:38:04,583 that it would, like, drive him insane. 782 00:38:04,585 --> 00:38:05,784 You know we're talkin' about Mike. 783 00:38:05,786 --> 00:38:08,253 He's the only living male in this house. 784 00:38:08,255 --> 00:38:10,989 When he spend a lot of time in the basement, 785 00:38:10,991 --> 00:38:13,158 it's like walking on eggshells. 786 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,095 He's agitated, angry. 787 00:38:16,097 --> 00:38:18,530 We can't do anything right. 788 00:38:18,532 --> 00:38:20,199 You know, he should be nicer. 789 00:38:20,201 --> 00:38:23,936 But, I mean, if he's in the basement, 790 00:38:23,938 --> 00:38:25,804 it's horrible. 791 00:38:25,806 --> 00:38:28,774 Does he recall these outbursts that he has? 792 00:38:28,776 --> 00:38:31,677 No. Okay. It's worse -- worse than I thought. 793 00:38:33,747 --> 00:38:35,180 This dead guy you're talkin' about, 794 00:38:35,182 --> 00:38:36,448 what does he want? 795 00:38:36,450 --> 00:38:42,154 He views this entire space as his personal hell. 796 00:38:42,156 --> 00:38:46,291 He's very depressed and he wants to be alone. 797 00:38:46,293 --> 00:38:48,760 He is at the point where he's willing to do 798 00:38:48,762 --> 00:38:53,165 whatever it takes to get y'all out of this space. 799 00:39:12,553 --> 00:39:13,919 Well, Janice, it's been a tough night, 800 00:39:13,921 --> 00:39:15,821 but at least you got a lot of answers. 801 00:39:15,823 --> 00:39:17,456 The only thing we haven't told you yet 802 00:39:17,458 --> 00:39:20,125 is whether you can make this home safe again 803 00:39:20,127 --> 00:39:22,094 so you can finally get the peace 804 00:39:22,096 --> 00:39:26,498 you deserve for you and your family. 805 00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:30,135 For that, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy. 806 00:39:30,137 --> 00:39:33,405 The first thing that you would need to do 807 00:39:33,407 --> 00:39:37,409 is to find a male medium 808 00:39:37,411 --> 00:39:40,612 and a priest. 809 00:39:40,614 --> 00:39:43,315 The first day, 810 00:39:43,317 --> 00:39:47,352 you're going to deal with Grandma. 811 00:39:47,354 --> 00:39:51,990 And the male medium will start with her. 812 00:39:51,992 --> 00:39:55,894 My hope is that you'll let her vent, 813 00:39:55,896 --> 00:40:00,265 and some things can be just kind of laid to rest. 814 00:40:00,267 --> 00:40:01,800 And then she'll move on. 815 00:40:01,802 --> 00:40:04,369 Now if she doesn't do this, 816 00:40:04,371 --> 00:40:08,207 then the priest will then make her leave. 817 00:40:08,209 --> 00:40:10,576 Okay, so how's he gonna take care of that? 818 00:40:10,578 --> 00:40:12,578 He'll exorcise her. 819 00:40:14,748 --> 00:40:18,750 For the boy, bring the male medium back. 820 00:40:18,752 --> 00:40:20,986 Male medium will engage the boy -- 821 00:40:20,988 --> 00:40:22,888 this might be for a few hours -- 822 00:40:22,890 --> 00:40:24,356 and will move him on. 823 00:40:24,358 --> 00:40:27,192 Now another day, 824 00:40:27,194 --> 00:40:30,662 again for a few hours, male medium comes back, 825 00:40:30,664 --> 00:40:34,499 and he's going to focus on the cursed dead male. 826 00:40:34,501 --> 00:40:38,604 Now, this male, as well, may have a lot to talk about. 827 00:40:38,606 --> 00:40:40,372 Just sit back and listen, 828 00:40:40,374 --> 00:40:43,342 and then he'll move on. 829 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:51,016 The look on your face went from sobbing to, like, 830 00:40:51,018 --> 00:40:52,584 "Hey, I can stay in my house." 831 00:40:52,586 --> 00:40:54,286 I can stay in my house. Yeah. 832 00:40:54,288 --> 00:40:57,556 - How's that make you feel? - Wonderful. Yeah. 833 00:40:57,558 --> 00:41:00,592 I'm gonna take Amy's advice. Yeah. 834 00:41:00,594 --> 00:41:02,094 Okay. 835 00:41:02,096 --> 00:41:03,962 That's the first time I've seen you smile in a week. 836 00:41:03,964 --> 00:41:05,330 Yeah. 837 00:41:05,332 --> 00:41:08,066 - How do you feel, Kaleigh? - Relieved that we can stay. 838 00:41:08,068 --> 00:41:10,736 Will her health issues get better? 839 00:41:10,738 --> 00:41:12,104 - Yes. - Cool. 840 00:41:12,106 --> 00:41:14,106 What about Mike, when he comes home? 841 00:41:14,108 --> 00:41:15,407 If they do all this, 842 00:41:15,409 --> 00:41:17,643 will his attitude change when he's in the basement? 843 00:41:17,645 --> 00:41:21,346 Yeah. Yeah. 844 00:41:21,348 --> 00:41:23,382 I'm very happy with... 845 00:41:23,384 --> 00:41:25,884 That we got answers, for one. 846 00:41:25,886 --> 00:41:29,554 Yeah, 'cause we've been dealing with this for a while. 847 00:41:32,893 --> 00:41:35,527 With the help of a male medium and a priest, 848 00:41:35,529 --> 00:41:38,797 Janice and Kaleigh can set the dead free, 849 00:41:38,799 --> 00:41:42,234 giving them a safe and peaceful home for Mike to return to. 850 00:41:42,284 --> 00:41:46,834 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 63795

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