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My head hurts so bad!
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There was a female figure.
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She was hitting me.
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She does attacks in here.
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This is one of
the worst stories
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I've ever heard
about a guy's life.
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Get it away.
Get it away from me now.
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I'm overwhelmed.
I need answers.
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This is my room.
Get the **** out.
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He's a problem.
He's a problem.
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I just hear death.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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God.
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He was like,
"I'm going to get you."
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I see dead people.
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Her face was all demonic.
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I speak to dead people...
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He's like, "You think you can
stop me? Because you can't."
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...and they speak to me.
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- What is he trying to do?
- Kill them.
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But there's only one way
to know if my findings are real.
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Something happened.
Bam, bam, bam.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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Am I seeing
what I think I'm seeing?
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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- They're everywhere.
- It's my job to reveal them.
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This guy's got the markings
of a serial killer.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...until the very end.
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Is this dead guy
doin' that to her?
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When we uncover if it's safe
for you to stay...
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That's it.
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Or time to get out.
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Somebody is gonna die
over there soon. Yeah.
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I'm out here in the small town
of St. Charles, Michigan.
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It's about 45 minutes northwest
of Flint.
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I got a frantic call
from a woman
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who says she and her daughter
are under attack.
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They're both scared
for their lives, and they said,
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"If we don't get there fast,
somebody's gonna get hurt."
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Before Amy arrives,
I clear the area
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of anything that could influence
her findings.
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This home is filled
with family photos,
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so it's important that I cover
or remove them all.
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When I'm done, the location will
be ready for tonight's walk.
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There's something about, like,
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this male that lived here.
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He had a family.
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He has this strange idea
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that him and his family
were cursed.
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And he's saying that
because of the curse,
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everybody died.
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He's a problem.
He's a problem.
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When we spoke on the phone,
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the only word that can describe
how you sounded was pure panic.
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Yeah.
It's like a pressure cooker.
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Like, everything's falling to
a head And it's gonna explode.
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I mean, that's how I feel
in the house.
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Okay. So what's goin' on?
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We hear banging and knocking,
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screams, voices,
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things being thrown,
and now physical attacks.
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My daughter, Kaleigh,
has woken up with scratches.
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Um, her health
is pretty bad.
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- What's she dealin' with?
- Stomach migraines and a racing heart.
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Okay.
How old is Kaleigh now?
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-20.
-20.
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And she won't
stay in here by herself.
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Okay. Now who's
living here right now?
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Me and my daughter.
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My husband, he's overseas.
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And he comes back
in 18 months.
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What's he doin' over there?
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Construction in Africa.
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When exactly did you guys,
move in here?
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2002.
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When the activities start?
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Immediately,
but it was small.
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When did it get violent?
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2013, after Mike's mom
passed away.
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She had cancer.
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We have her ashes.
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Where? Here in the house?
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- Yes. I...
- You're kiddin' me.
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What can you tell me
about your mother-in-law?
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Um, she was 65
when she died.
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- Okay.
- Her name was Ruth.
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And those are
some pictures of her.
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How was Mike's relationship
with his mom? Bad.
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- It was bad?
- It was bad.
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She was
a very controlling woman.
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You all right?
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She brought men home
in front of Mike.
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I know there was infidelity.
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So let me get this
straight...
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While Mike's mother
and father were married?
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So how did he deal
with it?
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From what I gather,
at the time that he was 16,
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he quit talking for a year.
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Quit talking to her
or just quit talking?
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Quit talking.
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This looks like
it upsets you.
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It does.
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Yeah.
Here, take those.
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I don't think a child
should have to go through that.
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When we got together,
she didn't like me.
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Do you know why?
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I was 26
when I ended up pregnant.
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When we told her that I was
pregnant, she's like,
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"Well, I thought you weren't
that type of girl."
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She wasn't a nice lady.
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So there's this dead lady.
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She gives a creepy vibe.
I don't like her.
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She's, like, young mentally.
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She's a pretty girl.
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She was disgraceful.
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I think that she might have been
married a few times.
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Something about babies.
I don't know.
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And I don't even know
who the ****
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she was with to have the babies.
Like, you know what I'm sayin'?
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Like, these other men...
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She's creeping me out.
She's creeping me out.
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Okay, so why'd you bring
me into the kitchen?
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One day,
I was doin' the dishes... Okay.
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...and a box of tea bags
came flyin' at me
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and almost hit me,
landed behind my feet.
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- A box like that?
- Yes.
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Okay, so what you're tellin' me
is it was up here?
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Yes. Laying flat, yes.
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- All right, so...
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Me flingin' it a little bit,
it only lands here.
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- Yes.
- All right.
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Well, you got a main road
out here. Trucks go by a lot.
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I saw when I was comin' up.
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Right, but that won't make
a box of tea bags fall off.
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- Well, not to where you were.
- No.
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Okay. Anything else
in the kitchen?
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I always have the unnerving
feeling of being watched.
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- You feelin' it right now?
- Yeah.
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Where you feelin'
it's comin' from?
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Like, right here,
like I'm in its space.
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Interesting.
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All right, anything else?
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I hear a woman's voice
saying, "Where's Mike?"
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- "Where's Mike?"
- "Where's Mike?"
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All right.
The obvious question is,
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did it sound like
your mother-in-law?
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Yeah.
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You got some strange
stuff goin' on.
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- Yeah.
- You okay?
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Yeah.
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It's a lot.
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The dead lady,
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she's, like, um,
a creeper, man.
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She gets creepy
up on the back of you.
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So then your --
your hair goes up.
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She just smothers everybody.
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She just starts screaming
and being weird.
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What the ****?
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Really likes this room, a lot.
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She -- she very much likes
the closets.
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I saw her, like,
throwing shoes or something.
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Okay, so what's goin' on
in here?
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I've been wakin' up
with bruises,
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I just started
noticing them, like fingers.
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- Just recently?
- Yes.
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Have you had
any blood work done
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to see if you have
any immune system problems?
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Nothing's wrong.
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Okay.
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So this seems like a pretty
terrifying room for you.
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Yeah.
Um, this morning,
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at 4:00 in the morning,
woke up,
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and there was a female figure,
saw the outline.
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She was hitting me.
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Who'd the female
look like to you?
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Short hair. I mean,
the outline was short hair.
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Do you think
it's your mother-in-law?
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Yeah.
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But I don't wanna say
that it was her.
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Why would she slap me?
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- Well, she didn't like you.
- I know.
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You okay? Okay.
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To see something
coming at me to hit me...
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I don't know
how to explain it.
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What do you think's
goin' on here?
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I think
I made somebody angry.
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Why do you say that,
sweetie?
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Possibly angry
because Mike's overseas,
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and she didn't want him
to go.
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And who are you gonna tell?
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I mean, people are gonna
think I'm crazy.
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I don't think you're crazy.
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All right?
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All right. It's okay.
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Somebody yelling in here,
"Don't be a stupid ****!
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Don't be a stupid ****!"
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It seems like
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she does attacks in here.
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What does she do?
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Very slowly opening the door...
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then she'll rush.
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I feel like the living people
feel her open, open, open, open
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and then attacking.
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It's really bad in here.
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I guess this is her space.
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Like, I think
she's claimed this room.
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It's, like, direct.
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"This is my room.
Get the **** out."
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So, Kaleigh, I had
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a pretty emotional,
discussion with your mom.
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Are you worried about her?
- Yeah.
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What about Dad bein' away?
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I don't like that he's gone.
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But, I mean,
it's also kind of nice
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because we don't have
to walk on eggshells.
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What do you mean by
"eggshells"?
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He gets really mean
when he's in the basement.
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But after he's up here
for a while, it's fine.
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Interesting.
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So, Kaleigh, when I was
talkin' to your mom,
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she said the activity
picked up enormously
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after your grandmother's ashes
came into the house.
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So do you agree with mom
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that she may be here
and haunting you guys?
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Yeah.
She was just a mean old lady.
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Okay.
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She treated me like crap.
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Okay. So I know you guys
are havin' experiences.
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I wanna hear about yours.
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I hear knocking
coming from the closet
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that's connected
to my bedroom.
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Like, you know, like,
almost like something's falling.
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But there's nothing in there
that could have fallen.
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That's strange.
Anything else?
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Um, I sometimes wake up
with scratches on my face.
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- On your face?
- Yes.
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So the scratches,
how often do you get them?
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Maybe
once every couple weeks.
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Let me see your fingernails.
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Well, it's not your nails.
What about the cats?
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The cats
don't come in here.
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So, Kaleigh, do you think
you and mom
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are in danger in this house?
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- I do.
- Okay.
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There's, like, a child here.
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He has on, like,
overalls, lederhosen.
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And there's some relationship
between him
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and the guy who thinks
he's cursed.
253
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Some of the things
that he does...
254
00:12:44,767 --> 00:12:46,901
It's terrible. It's terrible.
255
00:12:46,903 --> 00:12:49,103
He touches people.
256
00:12:49,105 --> 00:12:52,073
You know, he touches them.
257
00:12:52,075 --> 00:12:55,476
What he does to other kids,
not good.
258
00:12:55,478 --> 00:12:58,879
The thing with him
with other kids, he'll glom on.
259
00:12:58,881 --> 00:13:00,448
Like, get in them
for a little bit,
260
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just a short period.
261
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How people would see the kids
262
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being influenced
by this dead kid...
263
00:13:07,957 --> 00:13:10,324
Yeah?
...Is that they would see, like,
264
00:13:10,326 --> 00:13:13,427
the living kid
being, like, spaced out
265
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because they're absorbing
dead energy.
266
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They could have
heart problems.
267
00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,201
And the more he does it
and the more the living kids
268
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are exposed to him,
the worse...
269
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You see what I'm sayin'?
270
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It could be bad,
really, really bad.
271
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Lord, what the ****?
272
00:13:36,352 --> 00:13:39,954
Get it away.
Get it away from me now.
273
00:13:39,956 --> 00:13:41,755
What just happened?
274
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Something...impacted my head.
275
00:13:45,361 --> 00:13:47,628
I was talking about the little
boy, and that happened.
276
00:13:47,630 --> 00:13:52,266
My head hurts
so **** bad.
277
00:13:52,268 --> 00:13:54,301
Ooh!
278
00:14:01,210 --> 00:14:03,210
Even though
Mike's halfway across the world,
279
00:14:03,212 --> 00:14:05,980
I need to know what he thinks
is goin' on at home.
280
00:14:05,982 --> 00:14:08,149
So I've arranged a meeting
with him over the Internet
281
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to see what he's got to say.
282
00:14:09,819 --> 00:14:12,419
So, Mike, I understand you're
over in Africa, correct?
283
00:14:12,421 --> 00:14:13,754
-Yes.
- Okay.
284
00:14:13,756 --> 00:14:15,356
I'm gonna be blunt.
Are you -
285
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Do you believe what your wife
and daughter are sayin'?
286
00:14:17,126 --> 00:14:19,426
I believe it to a certain extent.
287
00:14:19,428 --> 00:14:21,462
Okay. Your wife thinks
when your --
288
00:14:21,464 --> 00:14:23,764
your mom's remains
came into the house,
289
00:14:23,766 --> 00:14:24,798
things changed then.
290
00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,700
Do you -- Does that make
any sense to you?
291
00:14:26,702 --> 00:14:27,868
It does.
292
00:14:27,870 --> 00:14:29,637
And I'm beginning to wonder
293
00:14:29,639 --> 00:14:32,840
if we need to do something sooner than later.
294
00:14:32,842 --> 00:14:35,009
Okay. Talkin' to your wife,
she said that
295
00:14:35,011 --> 00:14:37,478
you and your mom
had a difficult relationship.
296
00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,347
Yeah. It wasn't -- it wasn't very pleasant.
297
00:14:40,349 --> 00:14:43,417
You know, and she was always,...you know,
298
00:14:43,419 --> 00:14:45,219
trying to get into everybody's business
299
00:14:45,221 --> 00:14:48,889
and trying to tell them how to live, and stuff like that.
300
00:14:48,891 --> 00:14:50,558
Okay.
301
00:14:55,431 --> 00:14:59,033
The dead man who thinks
he's cursed likes it down here.
302
00:14:59,035 --> 00:15:00,568
I think that people
get really sad --
303
00:15:00,570 --> 00:15:02,736
really, really sad down here.
304
00:15:02,738 --> 00:15:04,505
There's a living male here.
305
00:15:04,507 --> 00:15:06,974
The male has issues,
big-time issues.
306
00:15:06,976 --> 00:15:09,777
It's, like, emotional ****.
Like, emotional problems.
307
00:15:09,779 --> 00:15:12,880
He comes and goes.
He comes and goes.
308
00:15:12,882 --> 00:15:15,482
I mean, I don't think
he was A-okay to begin with.
309
00:15:15,484 --> 00:15:16,483
You know what I mean?
310
00:15:16,485 --> 00:15:18,352
So he was, like,
a really easy target
311
00:15:18,354 --> 00:15:20,654
for this cursed dead guy.
312
00:15:20,656 --> 00:15:21,922
And what does he do
to him?
313
00:15:21,924 --> 00:15:26,660
He influences him to act angry.
314
00:15:29,899 --> 00:15:32,933
Mike, have you had
any experiences in the house?
315
00:15:32,935 --> 00:15:35,002
I've, you know, seen, like, shadows
316
00:15:35,004 --> 00:15:36,437
out of the corner of my eye.
317
00:15:36,439 --> 00:15:38,772
You know, I'd be in my workout room,
318
00:15:38,774 --> 00:15:40,574
and I got some big mirrors down here.
319
00:15:40,576 --> 00:15:42,710
And -- and it would seem like I'd see it
320
00:15:42,712 --> 00:15:45,079
out of the corner of my eye in the mirror.
321
00:15:45,081 --> 00:15:47,281
So how often
were you seein' this?
322
00:15:47,283 --> 00:15:49,917
Maybe once every couple of weeks or so.
323
00:15:49,919 --> 00:15:52,353
Okay. Anything else?
324
00:15:52,355 --> 00:15:55,155
I've had, like, a-a breath or something,
325
00:15:55,157 --> 00:15:58,659
like, on my neck when I was, you know, on the treadmill.
326
00:15:58,661 --> 00:16:00,027
Okay.
327
00:16:00,029 --> 00:16:02,830
Could you figure out if it came
from a vent or anything?
328
00:16:02,832 --> 00:16:05,666
There -- there's not a vent, right there.
329
00:16:05,668 --> 00:16:07,434
All right. So I don't know
how much of a skeptic you can be
330
00:16:07,436 --> 00:16:09,303
after experiencing
something like that.
331
00:16:09,305 --> 00:16:10,704
Right.
332
00:16:14,243 --> 00:16:16,977
The guy
who thinks he's cursed,
333
00:16:16,979 --> 00:16:20,114
he feels like this is his hell.
334
00:16:20,116 --> 00:16:21,348
But his main focus
335
00:16:21,350 --> 00:16:23,751
is just to get these
living people out of here.
336
00:16:23,753 --> 00:16:27,721
He pushes weird,
emotions on them.
337
00:16:27,723 --> 00:16:30,324
They feel ashamed for no reason.
338
00:16:30,326 --> 00:16:32,393
They feel guilt for no reason.
339
00:16:32,395 --> 00:16:34,528
They feel sad for no reason.
340
00:16:34,530 --> 00:16:37,464
How do you think
prolonged exposure to this guy
341
00:16:37,466 --> 00:16:38,832
would affect the living?
342
00:16:38,834 --> 00:16:44,004
I think that he would drive
the living male insane.
343
00:16:58,087 --> 00:17:00,254
The second I get
to a town, I work the phones --
344
00:17:00,256 --> 00:17:03,257
cops, historians,
local journalists.
345
00:17:03,259 --> 00:17:04,825
I try to see if anyone has
a lead.
346
00:17:04,827 --> 00:17:06,927
I just got a call back
from a genealogist
347
00:17:06,929 --> 00:17:09,530
who says one of
the original owners of the land
348
00:17:09,532 --> 00:17:11,565
has pretty amazing
and tragic story
349
00:17:11,567 --> 00:17:13,167
I'm definitely gonna
wanna hear about.
350
00:17:20,109 --> 00:17:21,342
You had mentioned
on the phone
351
00:17:21,344 --> 00:17:22,710
one of the original owners
of the property
352
00:17:22,712 --> 00:17:25,579
I'm investigating
had a pretty tragic time there.
353
00:17:25,581 --> 00:17:27,614
But before we get to that,
who was this guy?
354
00:17:27,616 --> 00:17:28,982
Well, John Baumler.
355
00:17:28,984 --> 00:17:33,053
He came over from Germany,
immigrated in 1880.
356
00:17:33,055 --> 00:17:34,755
He was 29 years old.
357
00:17:34,757 --> 00:17:37,458
This is John Baumler's
immigration record.
358
00:17:37,460 --> 00:17:39,393
He came with his wife Anna
359
00:17:39,395 --> 00:17:42,596
and two children --
Leonard and Frederica.
360
00:17:42,598 --> 00:17:44,465
Okay. It says here
he's a farmer.
361
00:17:44,467 --> 00:17:47,301
He's a farmer.
Six days after they got here,
362
00:17:47,303 --> 00:17:50,404
their 9-month-old daughter
dies.
363
00:17:50,406 --> 00:17:53,974
And 8 days after that,
their son dies.
364
00:17:53,976 --> 00:17:55,175
My god.
365
00:17:55,177 --> 00:17:57,344
I managed to track down
the death records.
366
00:17:57,346 --> 00:18:00,147
And here they are,
the two children.
367
00:18:01,417 --> 00:18:03,684
Do we know what
they died of?
368
00:18:03,686 --> 00:18:04,852
No.
369
00:18:04,854 --> 00:18:07,321
They may have contracted
something on the boat.
370
00:18:07,323 --> 00:18:08,856
Okay, so at some point,
371
00:18:08,858 --> 00:18:10,424
they make it to St. Charles
with no kids.
372
00:18:10,426 --> 00:18:11,425
Correct.
373
00:18:11,427 --> 00:18:12,426
Do they try to start
a family again?
374
00:18:12,428 --> 00:18:14,495
Yes.
They had two more children.
375
00:18:14,497 --> 00:18:17,498
And then tragedy strikes again
for John Baumler.
376
00:18:17,500 --> 00:18:18,732
What happened?
377
00:18:18,734 --> 00:18:21,068
In 1884, his wife dies.
378
00:18:21,070 --> 00:18:22,936
Do we know why or how?
379
00:18:22,938 --> 00:18:24,872
No, we don't have
the records,
380
00:18:24,874 --> 00:18:27,474
but we think it probably
was childbirth.
381
00:18:27,476 --> 00:18:28,742
Okay.
382
00:18:33,516 --> 00:18:36,583
This cursed guy,
he's very much like,
383
00:18:36,585 --> 00:18:39,219
"I lived here.
I lived here. I died here."
384
00:18:39,221 --> 00:18:42,756
So he...
I don't know how he died.
385
00:18:42,758 --> 00:18:44,892
Do you know what
he did in life?
386
00:18:44,894 --> 00:18:48,095
I believe he was a farmer.
387
00:18:48,097 --> 00:18:52,533
I saw him working with land
and cows and horses and stuff.
388
00:18:55,771 --> 00:18:57,938
Something happened
to his entire family.
389
00:18:57,940 --> 00:18:59,706
He feels responsible.
390
00:19:02,077 --> 00:19:04,411
Already this guy's life
is a sad story.
391
00:19:04,413 --> 00:19:06,180
- Yes.
- Wh-- what happens next?
392
00:19:06,182 --> 00:19:08,515
Well,
over the next 31 years,
393
00:19:08,517 --> 00:19:12,619
he actually marries three times
and loses each of his wives.
394
00:19:12,621 --> 00:19:13,887
What the hell happened?
395
00:19:13,889 --> 00:19:16,957
The next wife,
whose name was Minnie Kutzbach,
396
00:19:16,959 --> 00:19:19,126
she died in 1890.
397
00:19:19,128 --> 00:19:21,128
Okay, so she dies, say it --
what is says here is,
398
00:19:21,130 --> 00:19:23,764
"consumption," which is...
- Tuberculosis.
399
00:19:23,766 --> 00:19:27,234
The next wife's name
was Wilhelmina Wall.
400
00:19:27,236 --> 00:19:28,368
Okay.
401
00:19:28,370 --> 00:19:31,505
She dies in 1913
of an infection
402
00:19:31,507 --> 00:19:36,577
which affects her heart
and her kidneys.
403
00:19:36,579 --> 00:19:39,279
He marries again
in less than a year,
404
00:19:39,281 --> 00:19:40,814
in 1914.
405
00:19:40,816 --> 00:19:41,915
Okay.
406
00:19:41,917 --> 00:19:44,051
And their marriage
was the shortest of all.
407
00:19:44,053 --> 00:19:47,221
And within a year
and a half, she dies.
408
00:19:47,223 --> 00:19:51,225
She is struck and killed
by an automobile.
409
00:19:51,227 --> 00:19:53,260
Okay, I'm almost
even afraid to ask
410
00:19:53,262 --> 00:19:54,695
if this guy
got married again.
411
00:19:54,697 --> 00:19:56,396
Yes, he did, Steve.
412
00:19:56,398 --> 00:20:00,300
In 1918, he marries
a 47-year-old widow
413
00:20:00,302 --> 00:20:03,904
by the name
of Christina Barnekow.
414
00:20:03,906 --> 00:20:05,506
Okay.
415
00:20:05,508 --> 00:20:07,074
And in 1920,
416
00:20:07,076 --> 00:20:09,243
he buys
your client's property.
417
00:20:09,245 --> 00:20:11,645
All right, so they're on
my client's property.
418
00:20:11,647 --> 00:20:12,980
Please tell me it went well
for these guys.
419
00:20:12,982 --> 00:20:14,815
Well, it did for a while.
420
00:20:14,817 --> 00:20:16,517
But in 1929,
421
00:20:16,519 --> 00:20:19,253
John Baumler
was struck and killed
422
00:20:19,255 --> 00:20:21,922
by a hit-and-run driver.
423
00:20:21,924 --> 00:20:23,657
A hit-and-run,
so nobody ever got caught?
424
00:20:23,659 --> 00:20:25,959
No one ever was caught.
425
00:20:25,961 --> 00:20:27,461
This is one of
the worst stories
426
00:20:27,463 --> 00:20:28,962
I've ever heard
about a guy's life.
427
00:20:28,964 --> 00:20:30,464
It was a very tragic life.
428
00:20:35,237 --> 00:20:37,804
I think that a lot
of things went wrong, like,
429
00:20:37,806 --> 00:20:41,775
with his business
and his family.
430
00:20:41,777 --> 00:20:44,878
His whole family dies.
431
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,314
L- like, I feel a wife.
432
00:20:47,316 --> 00:20:50,784
I feel like there were kids.
433
00:20:50,786 --> 00:20:53,921
But I do think
434
00:20:53,923 --> 00:20:55,856
that they died from an illness.
435
00:20:55,858 --> 00:20:58,625
And I think
that he feels responsible.
436
00:20:58,627 --> 00:21:00,427
They got sick
and -- and they died,
437
00:21:00,429 --> 00:21:03,330
and he feels that somehow
he contributed to that.
438
00:21:05,067 --> 00:21:08,368
And then he said
that everybody died.
439
00:21:08,370 --> 00:21:12,773
And so he felt
like he was cursed.
440
00:21:12,775 --> 00:21:15,709
It feels like there's still
a curse here existing,
441
00:21:15,711 --> 00:21:17,344
like it never ceased.
442
00:21:21,083 --> 00:21:23,316
This curse, he thinks
it's like a monster.
443
00:21:29,424 --> 00:21:31,858
If you need us to investigate
unexplained activity
444
00:21:31,860 --> 00:21:33,693
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go to the "Dead Files" page
445
00:21:33,695 --> 00:21:35,628
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446
00:21:35,630 --> 00:21:37,530
Click on "Help me, Dead Files!"
to submit your story,
447
00:21:37,532 --> 00:21:38,665
and we'll help if we can.
448
00:21:46,808 --> 00:21:48,308
So far, I've got
a mother and daughter
449
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:49,742
being terrorized on a property
450
00:21:49,744 --> 00:21:52,212
that's had several
tragic deaths.
451
00:21:52,214 --> 00:21:53,813
But I need to see
if there's anything more
452
00:21:53,815 --> 00:21:57,083
that could help
my investigation.
453
00:21:57,085 --> 00:21:59,219
Searchin' through old records,
I find a man
454
00:21:59,221 --> 00:22:01,387
who was crushed to death
right in front of his son.
455
00:22:01,389 --> 00:22:03,123
Turns out it happened
in a coal mine
456
00:22:03,125 --> 00:22:05,892
just a few thousand feet
from my client's property.
457
00:22:07,395 --> 00:22:09,095
So I just spoke
to a mining expert
458
00:22:09,097 --> 00:22:12,499
who says that tragedy
is just the tip of the iceberg.
459
00:22:12,501 --> 00:22:13,833
He says that St. Charles' mines
460
00:22:13,835 --> 00:22:15,401
were nothing less
than deathtraps,
461
00:22:15,403 --> 00:22:17,570
and he's got the headlines
to prove it.
462
00:22:22,811 --> 00:22:25,378
So I came across
that tragic accident
463
00:22:25,380 --> 00:22:27,747
that happened in the mine
right near my client's property.
464
00:22:27,749 --> 00:22:29,449
But before we get to that,
465
00:22:29,451 --> 00:22:32,252
what was mining like
in St. Charles at that time?
466
00:22:32,254 --> 00:22:34,988
Well, it starts
right around 1896, Steve.
467
00:22:34,990 --> 00:22:37,090
Okay.
Um, and it's kind of an accident in and of itself,
468
00:22:37,092 --> 00:22:38,491
what all that happens.
469
00:22:38,493 --> 00:22:41,427
Um, you got a guy
that's diggin' a water well...
470
00:22:41,429 --> 00:22:42,695
Okay.
471
00:22:42,697 --> 00:22:44,130
...and, he basically hits
a bunch of black rock.
472
00:22:44,132 --> 00:22:45,932
Turns out to be coal.
473
00:22:45,934 --> 00:22:48,134
And,
the next thing you know,
474
00:22:48,136 --> 00:22:49,969
basically you got a little bit
of an economic boom goin' on.
475
00:22:49,971 --> 00:22:51,638
Who would have worked
these mines?
476
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,840
A lot of,
Eastern European immigrants
477
00:22:53,842 --> 00:22:55,108
that came into the area.
478
00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:56,342
And you know,
you gotta remember,
479
00:22:56,344 --> 00:22:57,877
this is before labor laws.
480
00:22:57,879 --> 00:23:01,181
And so you got literally kids
workin' in these mines.
481
00:23:02,684 --> 00:23:04,384
So, T.J., I know
mining's dangerous,
482
00:23:04,386 --> 00:23:05,785
but what were
the conditions like
483
00:23:05,787 --> 00:23:07,253
for the mines
here in St. Charles?
484
00:23:07,255 --> 00:23:08,922
You got cave-ins.
485
00:23:08,924 --> 00:23:10,089
You got,
486
00:23:10,091 --> 00:23:12,025
highly explosive gases
that are down there.
487
00:23:12,027 --> 00:23:14,627
I mean, all you gotta do
is look at pictures like this.
488
00:23:14,629 --> 00:23:17,730
And all you can see there's --
there's the guy's legs.
489
00:23:17,732 --> 00:23:19,933
Jeez.
490
00:23:19,935 --> 00:23:21,801
Okay, so now the accidents
that happen
491
00:23:21,803 --> 00:23:23,703
near my client's property,
what're we talkin' about?
492
00:23:23,705 --> 00:23:24,904
How close was it?
493
00:23:24,906 --> 00:23:26,806
Well, you're lookin' at
less than a 1/2-mile.
494
00:23:26,808 --> 00:23:28,641
I got a map here
495
00:23:28,643 --> 00:23:32,612
that actually shows
the Robert Gage No. 8 mine.
496
00:23:32,614 --> 00:23:35,181
And, your client's
property's right about here.
497
00:23:35,183 --> 00:23:36,482
Okay, almost towards
the end of the mine.
498
00:23:36,484 --> 00:23:38,318
Yeah, exactly.
499
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,253
So when did
this accident happen?
500
00:23:40,255 --> 00:23:41,955
The year was 1901.
501
00:23:41,957 --> 00:23:45,792
And, the victim's name
is Albert Newman.
502
00:23:45,794 --> 00:23:47,727
He and his son,
were working
503
00:23:47,729 --> 00:23:49,529
in one of the rooms
in the mine.
504
00:23:49,531 --> 00:23:51,130
And, he was evidently
505
00:23:51,132 --> 00:23:53,533
testing out the roof
of that room
506
00:23:53,535 --> 00:23:55,835
to, get ready
to drill into it.
507
00:23:55,837 --> 00:23:57,470
Sent his son
out to another room,
508
00:23:57,472 --> 00:24:00,840
and, the son heard what
he thought was water rushing.
509
00:24:00,842 --> 00:24:04,611
And it turned out it's,
basically his dad's own blood.
510
00:24:04,613 --> 00:24:07,146
He walked back
into the room to find that,
511
00:24:07,148 --> 00:24:10,617
about 50 tons had,
dropped onto his dad.
512
00:24:10,619 --> 00:24:12,118
That's a pretty sad story
when, you know --
513
00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:14,687
you know, a son's finding
his father like that.
514
00:24:14,689 --> 00:24:16,256
So now, T.J.,
you mentioned on the phone,
515
00:24:16,258 --> 00:24:18,758
you found some more accidents
near my client's property.
516
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,095
Basically December of 1907,
we have a Ray Clipper.
517
00:24:22,097 --> 00:24:25,231
Again, here's a guy
that's crushed to death.
518
00:24:25,233 --> 00:24:27,233
What a way to go. Mnh.
519
00:24:27,235 --> 00:24:29,369
This guy's only 21 years old.
- Yeah.
520
00:24:29,371 --> 00:24:31,237
In April 1920,
521
00:24:31,239 --> 00:24:34,274
Nelson Carl Smith
fell 20 feet.
522
00:24:34,276 --> 00:24:35,608
All right, so, T.J.,
523
00:24:35,610 --> 00:24:37,777
you said it started in 1896
with the mining.
524
00:24:37,779 --> 00:24:41,281
Do we know how long the mine
by my client's property lasted?
525
00:24:41,283 --> 00:24:45,218
The Robert Gage No. 8 mine
lasted until roughly about 1931.
526
00:24:47,522 --> 00:24:51,424
This cursed dead guy
is talking about tunnels,
527
00:24:51,426 --> 00:24:53,126
something about a tunnel.
528
00:24:53,128 --> 00:24:54,627
Tunnels, tunnels, tunnels.
529
00:24:56,965 --> 00:24:59,365
There's, like, multiple bodies,
530
00:24:59,367 --> 00:25:01,234
and he's just, like,
rambling about it.
531
00:25:01,236 --> 00:25:02,468
Where are they?
532
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:03,836
They're just lyin' on the floor.
533
00:25:06,908 --> 00:25:09,442
How many?
534
00:25:09,444 --> 00:25:10,877
Three or four.
535
00:25:10,879 --> 00:25:12,145
Can you describe them?
536
00:25:12,147 --> 00:25:14,847
It's, like,
this mangled mess of flesh.
537
00:25:14,849 --> 00:25:16,849
He just says, "There's tunnels
all over the place,"
538
00:25:16,851 --> 00:25:19,485
and that we should put
the bodies in the tunnel
539
00:25:19,487 --> 00:25:20,887
'cause that's where they belong.
540
00:25:26,895 --> 00:25:29,862
I saw a lot of disturbing things
on my walk,
541
00:25:29,864 --> 00:25:31,798
but the dead lady
tormenting a living woman
542
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,434
had me the most concerned.
543
00:25:34,436 --> 00:25:39,038
It was in
a small, blue room.
544
00:25:42,043 --> 00:25:43,643
She had eyes...
- Okay.
545
00:25:43,645 --> 00:25:46,279
...but they were not
human-looking.
546
00:25:47,582 --> 00:25:51,718
And then her face
looked like a witch.
547
00:25:55,757 --> 00:25:58,224
Is this what you saw?
548
00:25:58,226 --> 00:26:00,026
Yes, that's what I saw.
549
00:26:20,148 --> 00:26:22,982
Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
550
00:26:22,984 --> 00:26:24,283
we're ready
to reveal our findings
551
00:26:24,285 --> 00:26:27,920
to each other and our clients
for the first time.
552
00:26:27,922 --> 00:26:29,222
Amy, I'd like you
to meet Janice.
553
00:26:29,224 --> 00:26:31,023
This is her daughter Kaleigh.
554
00:26:31,025 --> 00:26:35,128
Um, to put it bluntly,
what's goin' on here sucks.
555
00:26:35,130 --> 00:26:38,197
These two have no life.
They live in fear.
556
00:26:38,199 --> 00:26:40,199
And the worst part is they're
goin' through this alone.
557
00:26:40,201 --> 00:26:43,569
Now Janice's husband Michael...
558
00:26:46,241 --> 00:26:49,675
He's away in Africa working
for about 18 months.
559
00:26:49,677 --> 00:26:52,678
Now, they can't afford to leave,
560
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,981
but they can't go on like this,
561
00:26:54,983 --> 00:26:58,384
so hopefully we can
help them out tonight.
562
00:26:58,386 --> 00:26:59,852
So now that Amy
knows just a little bit
563
00:26:59,854 --> 00:27:01,053
about who you are,
564
00:27:01,055 --> 00:27:03,923
I'm gonna ask her
to describe her walk.
565
00:27:03,925 --> 00:27:07,860
There are three conscious,
dead people
566
00:27:07,862 --> 00:27:11,264
that are causing issues here.
567
00:27:11,266 --> 00:27:14,734
But before I get
into discussing them,
568
00:27:14,736 --> 00:27:17,236
I wanted to tell you something
569
00:27:17,238 --> 00:27:20,606
that I got when I was
in the basement.
570
00:27:20,608 --> 00:27:24,510
When I was down there,
one of the deceased individuals
571
00:27:24,512 --> 00:27:28,414
was going on and on
about something about tunnels.
572
00:27:28,416 --> 00:27:32,819
And he was showing me maybe,
like, three or four dead people.
573
00:27:32,821 --> 00:27:34,720
But they were such a mess.
574
00:27:34,722 --> 00:27:37,924
Just, like, a clump of gore.
575
00:27:37,926 --> 00:27:43,729
And he told me that
these bodies needed to be moved
576
00:27:43,731 --> 00:27:46,332
into the tunnels
where they belonged.
577
00:27:46,334 --> 00:27:48,601
I didn't really have to think
about this one too long.
578
00:27:48,603 --> 00:27:49,969
Back in 1896,
579
00:27:49,971 --> 00:27:52,672
St. Charles became a really big
mining town for coal.
580
00:27:54,008 --> 00:27:57,477
Take a look at this map of...
581
00:27:57,479 --> 00:28:00,079
the Robert Gage No. 8 mine.
582
00:28:00,081 --> 00:28:02,482
Your house sits right here.
583
00:28:02,484 --> 00:28:04,150
This is the end of the mine.
584
00:28:04,152 --> 00:28:06,252
Yeah, that makes sense.
585
00:28:06,254 --> 00:28:08,621
As you guys probably know,
mining's dangerous work.
586
00:28:08,623 --> 00:28:09,789
The expert I spoke to told me
587
00:28:09,791 --> 00:28:11,057
there was a ton
of accidents here --
588
00:28:11,059 --> 00:28:13,359
cave-ins, explosions,
the whole nine yards.
589
00:28:13,361 --> 00:28:14,560
I've actually got a photo.
590
00:28:14,562 --> 00:28:16,429
This is a picture
of what it would look
591
00:28:16,431 --> 00:28:18,397
like when a mine
caved in on somebody.
592
00:28:18,399 --> 00:28:21,300
- My god.
- Wow.
593
00:28:21,302 --> 00:28:22,635
In 1901,
594
00:28:22,637 --> 00:28:25,571
an accident just like this
happened within 5,000 feet
595
00:28:25,573 --> 00:28:26,839
from your property here.
596
00:28:26,841 --> 00:28:31,277
The man working was basically
crushed to death.
597
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:32,411
Wow.
598
00:28:36,584 --> 00:28:39,619
The first dead person
that I'm going to talk about
599
00:28:39,621 --> 00:28:42,288
is the female
that I encountered.
600
00:28:42,290 --> 00:28:43,890
She's very creepy.
601
00:28:43,892 --> 00:28:45,691
She kind of spooked me.
602
00:28:45,693 --> 00:28:48,895
She likes to torture
living people.
603
00:28:48,897 --> 00:28:51,664
One of the things
that I saw her doing
604
00:28:51,666 --> 00:28:54,467
was messing around
with shoes and, like,
605
00:28:54,469 --> 00:28:57,236
throwing them
and moving them about.
606
00:28:57,238 --> 00:29:02,575
And in the very back bedroom,
um, I saw her smother people.
607
00:29:02,577 --> 00:29:04,243
Like, they couldn't breathe.
608
00:29:04,245 --> 00:29:06,345
Is it possible that these guys
would be able to see her?
609
00:29:06,347 --> 00:29:08,347
It's possible.
610
00:29:08,349 --> 00:29:10,349
Janice encountered a female.
611
00:29:10,351 --> 00:29:11,751
Tried to slap me.
612
00:29:11,753 --> 00:29:14,520
Ooh! Okay.
613
00:29:14,522 --> 00:29:15,821
Tell her what happened
in the kitchen.
614
00:29:15,823 --> 00:29:17,323
I was doin' the dishes,
615
00:29:17,325 --> 00:29:19,191
and the tea bags
were on the top shelf.
616
00:29:19,193 --> 00:29:22,662
And they came flying off
and landed, um, behind my feet.
617
00:29:22,664 --> 00:29:24,196
Okay.
618
00:29:24,198 --> 00:29:25,932
Does she do anything else,
this woman?
619
00:29:25,934 --> 00:29:30,636
Yes. One of her things to do
is to creep up behind people.
620
00:29:30,638 --> 00:29:34,040
One of her favorite areas
is this blue room here.
621
00:29:34,042 --> 00:29:39,612
I saw her, like,
creeping out of the closet.
622
00:29:39,614 --> 00:29:43,516
Very slowly opening the door,
623
00:29:43,518 --> 00:29:44,884
then she'll rush.
624
00:29:50,191 --> 00:29:53,059
I thought that maybe
the living would experience,
625
00:29:53,061 --> 00:29:56,162
like, kind of a panic attack
kind of feeling...
626
00:29:56,164 --> 00:29:58,564
- Associated with this.
627
00:29:58,566 --> 00:30:03,002
That closet, um,
is also connected to my bedroom.
628
00:30:03,004 --> 00:30:05,104
- And I'll here, like,
629
00:30:05,106 --> 00:30:07,440
knocking noises, almost like
stuff is falling over.
630
00:30:07,442 --> 00:30:09,775
- Interesting.
- She watches.
631
00:30:09,777 --> 00:30:10,943
- I feel...
- Yeah.
632
00:30:10,945 --> 00:30:13,346
...constantly watched
wherever we are.
633
00:30:13,348 --> 00:30:16,182
I mean, I always feel like
I have to look over my shoulder
634
00:30:16,184 --> 00:30:19,285
and make sure that, you know,
there's nobody there.
635
00:30:19,287 --> 00:30:23,055
I did have a sketch done
of what I saw her doing.
636
00:30:26,461 --> 00:30:27,760
****.
637
00:30:31,132 --> 00:30:33,399
- My god.
- My god.
638
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,239
I don't like that.
639
00:30:46,447 --> 00:30:49,215
That's creepy.
640
00:30:49,217 --> 00:30:51,784
She's...in my room as well?
641
00:30:51,786 --> 00:30:52,918
Which room is yours?
642
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,454
- The pink one.
- İn the closet.
643
00:30:55,456 --> 00:30:58,557
And that's why I don't
like my closet.
644
00:31:03,898 --> 00:31:05,364
Who do you think
this woman might have been
645
00:31:05,366 --> 00:31:06,699
when she was alive?
646
00:31:06,701 --> 00:31:09,468
She was actually pretty.
647
00:31:09,470 --> 00:31:12,972
I got that she had either
a lot of men in her life
648
00:31:12,974 --> 00:31:15,975
or was
married multiple times.
649
00:31:15,977 --> 00:31:19,545
Um...her family tried
650
00:31:19,547 --> 00:31:22,048
or did have her locked away
at some point.
651
00:31:22,050 --> 00:31:26,318
They thought that she was kind
of a disgrace to the family.
652
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,656
And I got that she is jealous
of a female here,
653
00:31:30,658 --> 00:31:33,125
and that's why
she's acting out so much.
654
00:31:36,030 --> 00:31:39,265
Well, we got the elephant
in the room to talk about.
655
00:31:39,267 --> 00:31:42,368
I know the three of us are
thinking about the same person.
656
00:31:42,370 --> 00:31:44,770
You know what? This is
who we're talking about.
657
00:31:46,874 --> 00:31:48,908
These are the remains
of her mother-in-law Ruth.
658
00:31:48,910 --> 00:31:51,444
In 2013, Ruth dies of...
leukemia?
659
00:31:51,446 --> 00:31:52,578
Yes.
660
00:31:52,580 --> 00:31:54,046
Now, when they brought
the ashes home
661
00:31:54,048 --> 00:31:55,414
is when things got violent.
662
00:31:55,416 --> 00:31:56,749
Wow.
663
00:31:56,751 --> 00:31:58,884
Do me a favor, Janice.
Tell her how she was in life.
664
00:31:58,886 --> 00:32:02,421
She wasn't a very good person.
She traumatized Mike.
665
00:32:04,959 --> 00:32:08,561
When she was married
to Mike's dad,
666
00:32:08,563 --> 00:32:12,832
she had multiple lovers,
667
00:32:12,834 --> 00:32:15,668
and did it in front of Mike.
668
00:32:16,771 --> 00:32:18,003
She didn't like you either.
669
00:32:18,005 --> 00:32:20,406
No, she didn't like me.
670
00:32:20,408 --> 00:32:22,374
I got photos of her
at different ages.
671
00:32:24,512 --> 00:32:27,747
Wow.
672
00:32:29,517 --> 00:32:31,484
Any idea if this might be
who you saw?
673
00:32:31,486 --> 00:32:32,885
- Yes.
- Okay.
674
00:32:32,887 --> 00:32:35,321
Her face is
exactly like that.
675
00:32:44,732 --> 00:32:46,398
What else is goin' on?
676
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,769
Then I saw a dead child.
677
00:32:49,771 --> 00:32:54,006
So I'd actually put him
between 7 and 8 years of age.
678
00:32:54,008 --> 00:32:56,442
And he was wearing
a funny outfit,
679
00:32:56,444 --> 00:32:58,577
kind of resembled
lederhosen.
680
00:32:58,579 --> 00:33:04,350
He interacts consistently
with the living here.
681
00:33:04,352 --> 00:33:06,552
I saw him touching
living people.
682
00:33:06,554 --> 00:33:10,156
Um, specifically,
caressing faces,
683
00:33:10,158 --> 00:33:12,158
playing with their hair.
684
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,328
The problem with him is that if
there's any living children
685
00:33:16,330 --> 00:33:18,030
within the vicinity,
686
00:33:18,032 --> 00:33:23,335
he will try to, like,
glom on to them.
687
00:33:24,772 --> 00:33:29,708
It's very bad for the living
because it can make them sick.
688
00:33:29,710 --> 00:33:32,378
It can cause
major health problems,
689
00:33:32,380 --> 00:33:36,816
one of which
could be heart issues.
690
00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:40,719
He can also become
violent.
691
00:33:40,721 --> 00:33:43,889
When I was talking to him
in the middle room,
692
00:33:43,891 --> 00:33:49,662
I suddenly had, like,
a horrible blow to my head.
693
00:33:50,631 --> 00:33:53,833
Well, that just about hit
every friggin' experience
694
00:33:53,835 --> 00:33:55,201
you guys are goin' through.
695
00:33:55,203 --> 00:34:00,039
I have had stomach problems
ever since I was a baby.
696
00:34:00,041 --> 00:34:01,941
Now on top of that,
697
00:34:01,943 --> 00:34:05,077
there's something wrong
with my heart.
698
00:34:05,079 --> 00:34:06,345
Wow.
699
00:34:06,347 --> 00:34:08,047
They still have no idea
what's wrong.
700
00:34:14,422 --> 00:34:18,624
See, I think she's doing this.
I think she's doin' you.
701
00:34:20,828 --> 00:34:23,062
I think the kid's doin' you.
702
00:34:25,499 --> 00:34:28,901
It's like you're his toy.
703
00:34:31,806 --> 00:34:32,938
You said there are
three dead people
704
00:34:32,940 --> 00:34:34,640
you're concerned about.
705
00:34:34,642 --> 00:34:38,043
The other person was
this guy,
706
00:34:38,045 --> 00:34:40,312
and he is
a pretty serious threat.
707
00:34:40,314 --> 00:34:43,515
He's somehow related
to this little kid.
708
00:34:43,517 --> 00:34:46,418
I don't know if it was father
or grandfather.
709
00:34:46,420 --> 00:34:47,887
One of the things
about this guy
710
00:34:47,889 --> 00:34:51,156
is that he feels
extreme sense of guilt.
711
00:34:51,158 --> 00:34:53,425
Um, I saw him at one point
712
00:34:53,427 --> 00:34:55,094
where he, like,
falls to his knees.
713
00:34:55,096 --> 00:34:57,763
And he's like,
"Aah! It's all the curse.
714
00:34:57,765 --> 00:35:00,132
It's the curse.
I caused the curse."
715
00:35:00,134 --> 00:35:02,568
Somehow he lost
his entire family
716
00:35:02,570 --> 00:35:05,271
and he feels completely
responsible for it.
717
00:35:05,273 --> 00:35:07,606
What I got about him was
that he worked outside a lot.
718
00:35:07,608 --> 00:35:09,275
I felt like he was a farmer.
719
00:35:09,277 --> 00:35:11,277
He lived on the property,
died on the property,
720
00:35:11,279 --> 00:35:13,145
was buried on this property.
721
00:35:13,147 --> 00:35:14,647
So I do have one guy
in my research
722
00:35:14,649 --> 00:35:16,415
that fits that bill.
723
00:35:16,417 --> 00:35:17,650
One of the first owners
724
00:35:17,652 --> 00:35:19,952
of the property
was a guy named John Baumler.
725
00:35:19,954 --> 00:35:21,320
He was a German immigrant
726
00:35:21,322 --> 00:35:23,923
who came to the country in 1880
at the age of 29.
727
00:35:23,925 --> 00:35:27,026
So when she said "lederhosen,"
it kind of made sense.
728
00:35:27,028 --> 00:35:29,094
Now you mentioned he lost
his entire family.
729
00:35:29,096 --> 00:35:30,596
When he crossed the Atlantic
with his wife,
730
00:35:30,598 --> 00:35:32,831
he had a baby girl
and a 2-year-old boy.
731
00:35:32,833 --> 00:35:34,667
But within 2 weeks
of arriving in America,
732
00:35:34,669 --> 00:35:36,302
they were both gone, both dead.
733
00:35:36,304 --> 00:35:37,703
Jeez.
734
00:35:37,705 --> 00:35:40,439
We think they died of some kind
of disease on the boat.
735
00:35:40,441 --> 00:35:41,941
There's no records of it.
736
00:35:41,943 --> 00:35:44,209
He must have felt guilty
about putting his family at risk
737
00:35:44,211 --> 00:35:46,011
by bringing them over here.
738
00:35:46,013 --> 00:35:48,280
Now I wish this was the end
of John Baumler's story,
739
00:35:48,282 --> 00:35:50,516
but this was just the beginning.
740
00:35:50,518 --> 00:35:53,986
Four years after gettin'
into town, Baumler's wife dies.
741
00:35:53,988 --> 00:35:56,288
Now, get this --
over the next 30 years,
742
00:35:56,290 --> 00:35:57,690
he's married three more times,
743
00:35:57,692 --> 00:35:59,658
and every single one
of them died.
744
00:35:59,660 --> 00:36:02,628
- That's insane!
- He marries a fifth time.
745
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:05,164
No.
He should've just stopped.
746
00:36:05,166 --> 00:36:07,599
For 9 years, until 1929,
747
00:36:07,601 --> 00:36:09,768
he lived right here on your land
where the house is built.
748
00:36:09,770 --> 00:36:13,439
And, he gets killed
by a hit-and-run.
749
00:36:13,441 --> 00:36:15,407
What?
I got his death certificate here.
750
00:36:16,477 --> 00:36:18,610
This guy had one of the most
miserable lives I've...
751
00:36:18,612 --> 00:36:20,045
My god.
752
00:36:20,047 --> 00:36:22,848
...ever come across.
- Wow.
753
00:36:22,850 --> 00:36:25,684
Do you think this is
who you might've seen? Yes.
754
00:36:29,557 --> 00:36:31,557
Now you said you were worried
about this guy.
755
00:36:31,559 --> 00:36:33,625
What's he do?
- This was interesting.
756
00:36:33,627 --> 00:36:36,562
He can't do
anything physical,
757
00:36:36,564 --> 00:36:41,533
but he's, like,
mastered emotional abuse.
758
00:36:41,535 --> 00:36:44,403
Living people will become
extremely overwhelmed
759
00:36:44,405 --> 00:36:47,439
by these sudden emotions.
760
00:36:47,441 --> 00:36:51,410
One of them is shame, feeling
an intense amount of shame
761
00:36:51,412 --> 00:36:54,680
for no reason,
guilt for no reason,
762
00:36:54,682 --> 00:36:57,483
feeling sad for no reason.
763
00:36:57,485 --> 00:37:00,719
I...
764
00:37:00,721 --> 00:37:05,124
I feel guilty for not bein' able
to take care of her.
765
00:37:05,126 --> 00:37:10,596
I feel guilty about things
that happened in my past.
766
00:37:10,598 --> 00:37:13,132
I've been constantly saying
that I'm overwhelmed.
767
00:37:13,134 --> 00:37:16,835
Do you think that this guy
could be influencing her?
768
00:37:16,837 --> 00:37:18,170
Yeah.
769
00:37:20,474 --> 00:37:23,675
His favorite area
is the basement.
770
00:37:25,846 --> 00:37:28,981
When I was down there,
I got,
771
00:37:28,983 --> 00:37:33,052
that he had his sights
set on a male.
772
00:37:35,689 --> 00:37:37,456
He felt like this male was
773
00:37:37,458 --> 00:37:40,592
an extremely easy target
for him.
774
00:37:40,594 --> 00:37:44,196
I got that the living male comes
and goes from the house a lot.
775
00:37:44,198 --> 00:37:47,733
I got that he does have
emotional issues.
776
00:37:47,735 --> 00:37:50,903
And he will act out,
777
00:37:50,905 --> 00:37:53,405
in anger and lash out.
778
00:37:53,407 --> 00:37:54,840
I got that
if this living male
779
00:37:54,842 --> 00:37:58,377
is exposed
to this dead male
780
00:37:58,379 --> 00:38:01,180
for a long period of time,
781
00:38:01,182 --> 00:38:04,583
that it would, like,
drive him insane.
782
00:38:04,585 --> 00:38:05,784
You know we're talkin'
about Mike.
783
00:38:05,786 --> 00:38:08,253
He's the only living male
in this house.
784
00:38:08,255 --> 00:38:10,989
When he spend a lot
of time in the basement,
785
00:38:10,991 --> 00:38:13,158
it's like
walking on eggshells.
786
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,095
He's agitated, angry.
787
00:38:16,097 --> 00:38:18,530
We can't do anything right.
788
00:38:18,532 --> 00:38:20,199
You know, he should be nicer.
789
00:38:20,201 --> 00:38:23,936
But, I mean,
if he's in the basement,
790
00:38:23,938 --> 00:38:25,804
it's horrible.
791
00:38:25,806 --> 00:38:28,774
Does he recall these outbursts
that he has?
792
00:38:28,776 --> 00:38:31,677
No.
Okay. It's worse -- worse than I thought.
793
00:38:33,747 --> 00:38:35,180
This dead guy
you're talkin' about,
794
00:38:35,182 --> 00:38:36,448
what does he want?
795
00:38:36,450 --> 00:38:42,154
He views this entire space
as his personal hell.
796
00:38:42,156 --> 00:38:46,291
He's very depressed
and he wants to be alone.
797
00:38:46,293 --> 00:38:48,760
He is at the point
where he's willing to do
798
00:38:48,762 --> 00:38:53,165
whatever it takes
to get y'all out of this space.
799
00:39:12,553 --> 00:39:13,919
Well, Janice,
it's been a tough night,
800
00:39:13,921 --> 00:39:15,821
but at least you got
a lot of answers.
801
00:39:15,823 --> 00:39:17,456
The only thing
we haven't told you yet
802
00:39:17,458 --> 00:39:20,125
is whether you can
make this home safe again
803
00:39:20,127 --> 00:39:22,094
so you can finally
get the peace
804
00:39:22,096 --> 00:39:26,498
you deserve for you
and your family.
805
00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:30,135
For that, I'm gonna
turn it over to Amy.
806
00:39:30,137 --> 00:39:33,405
The first thing
that you would need to do
807
00:39:33,407 --> 00:39:37,409
is to find a male medium
808
00:39:37,411 --> 00:39:40,612
and a priest.
809
00:39:40,614 --> 00:39:43,315
The first day,
810
00:39:43,317 --> 00:39:47,352
you're going to deal
with Grandma.
811
00:39:47,354 --> 00:39:51,990
And the male medium
will start with her.
812
00:39:51,992 --> 00:39:55,894
My hope is that
you'll let her vent,
813
00:39:55,896 --> 00:40:00,265
and some things can be
just kind of laid to rest.
814
00:40:00,267 --> 00:40:01,800
And then she'll move on.
815
00:40:01,802 --> 00:40:04,369
Now if she doesn't do this,
816
00:40:04,371 --> 00:40:08,207
then the priest
will then make her leave.
817
00:40:08,209 --> 00:40:10,576
Okay, so how's he gonna
take care of that?
818
00:40:10,578 --> 00:40:12,578
He'll exorcise her.
819
00:40:14,748 --> 00:40:18,750
For the boy,
bring the male medium back.
820
00:40:18,752 --> 00:40:20,986
Male medium
will engage the boy --
821
00:40:20,988 --> 00:40:22,888
this might be
for a few hours --
822
00:40:22,890 --> 00:40:24,356
and will move him on.
823
00:40:24,358 --> 00:40:27,192
Now another day,
824
00:40:27,194 --> 00:40:30,662
again for a few hours,
male medium comes back,
825
00:40:30,664 --> 00:40:34,499
and he's going to focus
on the cursed dead male.
826
00:40:34,501 --> 00:40:38,604
Now, this male, as well,
may have a lot to talk about.
827
00:40:38,606 --> 00:40:40,372
Just sit back
and listen,
828
00:40:40,374 --> 00:40:43,342
and then he'll move on.
829
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:51,016
The look on your face
went from sobbing to, like,
830
00:40:51,018 --> 00:40:52,584
"Hey, I can stay in my house."
831
00:40:52,586 --> 00:40:54,286
I can stay in my house.
Yeah.
832
00:40:54,288 --> 00:40:57,556
- How's that make you feel?
- Wonderful. Yeah.
833
00:40:57,558 --> 00:41:00,592
I'm gonna take Amy's advice.
Yeah.
834
00:41:00,594 --> 00:41:02,094
Okay.
835
00:41:02,096 --> 00:41:03,962
That's the first time
I've seen you smile in a week.
836
00:41:03,964 --> 00:41:05,330
Yeah.
837
00:41:05,332 --> 00:41:08,066
- How do you feel, Kaleigh?
- Relieved that we can stay.
838
00:41:08,068 --> 00:41:10,736
Will her health issues
get better?
839
00:41:10,738 --> 00:41:12,104
- Yes.
- Cool.
840
00:41:12,106 --> 00:41:14,106
What about Mike,
when he comes home?
841
00:41:14,108 --> 00:41:15,407
If they do all this,
842
00:41:15,409 --> 00:41:17,643
will his attitude change
when he's in the basement?
843
00:41:17,645 --> 00:41:21,346
Yeah. Yeah.
844
00:41:21,348 --> 00:41:23,382
I'm very happy with...
845
00:41:23,384 --> 00:41:25,884
That we got answers, for one.
846
00:41:25,886 --> 00:41:29,554
Yeah, 'cause we've been dealing
with this for a while.
847
00:41:32,893 --> 00:41:35,527
With the help
of a male medium and a priest,
848
00:41:35,529 --> 00:41:38,797
Janice and Kaleigh
can set the dead free,
849
00:41:38,799 --> 00:41:42,234
giving them a safe and peaceful
home for Mike to return to.
850
00:41:42,284 --> 00:41:46,834
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