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Nobody's at rest here.
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The living aren't. The dead aren't.
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One evening, two hands
grabbed me real hard. Bam!
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All I heard was, "He is a murderer."
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- She just got attacked.
- [Crying]
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He tells me they should get out
of here as quick as possible.
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I feel like this is
coming straight from Hell.
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Unfortunately, this
is not a happy place.
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I just hear death.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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Ah, God.
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It's like, "I'm going to get you."
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I see dead people.
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Her face was all demonic.
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I speak to dead people.
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He's like, "You think you can
stop me? Because you can't."
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And they speak to me.
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- What is he trying to do?
- Kill them.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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Something happened. Bam, bam, bam!
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York
City homicide detective.
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Am I seeing what I think I'm seeing?
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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They're everywhere.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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This guy's got the
markings of a serial killer.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...until the very end...
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Is this dead guy doing that to her?
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...when we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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That's it.
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...or time to get out.
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Somebody's gonna die
over there soon, yeah.
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STEVE: I'm in the small town
of Gates, North Carolina.
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It's about an hour
south of Virginia Beach.
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I got a call from a woman
who was in hysterics.
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She says she has a
17-year-old daughter
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whose life is in danger,
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and she has absolutely no
idea how to protect her.
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She sounded horrible on the phone.
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She broke my heart
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and said Amy and I are her last hope.
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MATT: Before Amy arrives,
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I have to clear the area
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of anything that could
influence her findings.
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Spiritual items, photographs,
and religious texts
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have to be covered or removed.
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When I'm finished,
tonight's walk can begin.
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AMY: There's some problems here.
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There's a lot of anger here.
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The living here, I just
feel like this anger,
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it's really deconstructing their lives.
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This place is not good.
It makes me feel horrible.
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Some of the living here
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don't know what's real and what's not.
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Was that a dream or
not? Am I awake or not?
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Did I see that or not?
Nothing makes sense.
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I don't like it. It makes my head spin.
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Oy.
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I literally feel like I'm spinning.
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STEVE: So, Deborah, I'm glad I'm here
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'cause when we spoke,
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you sounded pretty
terrified on the phone.
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Do me a favor.
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Just give an idea of what's going on.
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Hearing voices, getting
things thrown at you.
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Seeing some shadow people.
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And physically violent at this point.
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It's attacking my daughter.
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I don't feel like she's
safe here any longer.
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The physical attacks on Nikki,
what are we talking about?
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And just a couple of weeks ago,
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she... she was sexually touched.
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That kills me.
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I feel like this is
coming straight from Hell.
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And I don't know how to fight it.
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Is it just you and Nikki that live here?
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No. My husband, as well.
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Nikki, she's sleeping
in my room at this point
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and has been for a year.
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My husband, Jeff, he's been
moved to the spare bedroom.
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How's that working on your marriage?
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Oh, it can be hard at times.
I'm not gonna deny that.
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You know, for
a 17-year-old
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to be sleeping with
her mom at this point,
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it's a little... it's a little strange.
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It is. Um... but she is so terrified.
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I'm... I'm afraid...
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I'm... I'm afraid it's gonna take her.
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I've seen the markings around her neck.
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What if I'm not there one of those times
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that the thing decides to attack her?
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That's why I called you guys.
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I'm at my wits' end at this point.
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I need help, and I need big help.
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Let's get some basics out of the way.
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How long have you guys been living here?
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Uh, we moved here in 2011.
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My father, he was diagnosed
with cirrhosis of the liver
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and died of liver failure.
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He was a constant alcoholic.
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I made the choice to be closer.
And that's why I moved here.
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When did he die?
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In December 2012.
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All right. And how old
was he when he died?
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He was 62.
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What kind of guy was he?
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Well, this man was loving, caring
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but very strict at the same time.
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He liked everything cleaned,
everything put in a spot.
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Everything had its home.
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He would get my mom to walk
around with a white glove
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to test the dust on our
beds and our dressers.
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Do you think your father's here?
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Yes. I know he's here.
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AMY: There's a dead guy
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that is really physically present.
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He looks 50s, like late 50s, early 60s.
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And he's very fussy.
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Almost, like, neurotic,
like with touching people.
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Yeah, like a weird fixation for him.
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Because of him,
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I'm having these, uh,
obsessive thoughts.
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Living people here
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would have, um, some
pretty bad OCD problems.
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And he feels recent.
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He was sick. Sick, sick, sick.
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He's kind of a disaster.
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Deborah, what's going on in the kitchen?
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In here, we have
experienced cold spells.
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It feels like a good 10-degree drop.
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And it feels like when
they are around you,
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they feel like they just
drain energy from you.
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Like, instantly, you get very tired.
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I'm gonna ask you a
silly question, though.
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Are you going through any
kind of menopause or anything?
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Oh, hell yeah, I am.
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But it's... that's...
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That's a totally different feeling.
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This is not the same.
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I feel it staring at me
and watching my every move.
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And it's like an evil presence.
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It does not want me around.
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I'm also seeing this younger guy,
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and he is a freak.
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He grabs people.
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When he touches people,
they get like a...
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They actually get, like,
the cold chill thing.
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And when he touched my shoulder,
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it just felt, like, icy cold.
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So the younger dude, right?
When he first shows up, right?
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He says, "I want to kill things."
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Uh, he's very angry, this guy.
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And then this dead lady shows up,
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and she is all over him,
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like, trying to be all
lovey-dovey and [bleep]
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But he doesn't want
nothing to do with her.
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He doesn't want her there.
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And he's livid.
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And I just feel like
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it's really taking a
toll on these people.
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It's like they never
get a moment of... peace.
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Ever.
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So this is the master bedroom
where you and Nikki sleep?
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It's the worst room,
for me, in this house.
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I can't sleep.
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One evening, I was laying here
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in the bed with my daughter, Nikki.
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All of a sudden, it just felt
like two hands grabbed me...
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one on this side, one on this side...
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and real hard, up against the bedpost.
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At the same time. Bam!
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And at the same time this was going on,
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I'm feeling a third hand.
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And it feels like a man's
hand grabbing me by my throat
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and just kind of like pulling my neck up
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and choking me at the same time.
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And so how long did it last?
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About 2 or 3 minutes.
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I felt like I was
getting ready to pass out.
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And my daughter, she
immediately jumps out of bed
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and she's grabbing Bibles
and she's praying over me
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at the same time all this is happening.
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I'm afraid to even ask you
if there's anything else.
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And there is.
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And I drifted off to sleep,
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and I'm wakened by a finger... fingers.
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Went from here and they go slowly.
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And they kept coming.
And they kept coming.
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And they kept coming
until it reached my breast.
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And I tried to jump up,
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but the covers, they
got real, real tight.
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Real tight. I couldn't
get out of my covers.
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I can't push it off. I can't shoot it.
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And all I felt was the hand... the hand.
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I was violated.
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[Voice breaking] I've
never told nobody this.
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All right. It's okay.
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I'm sorry. You're okay?
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It's just so much.
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I know, baby. I know, babe.
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This is more where, like,
that man and woman are.
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So what does this guy do to people?
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He's capable of touching, grabbing.
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Anybody in particular that he targets?
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Well, I think females.
I think he's about that.
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And he wants to kill people.
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Is that what he's trying to do?
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Yeah.
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DEBORAH: Oh, God! Stop! Stop! Stop!
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Leave her alone!
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[Nikki crying]
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After interviewing Deborah,
I stepped away for a second.
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And that's when I heard
screaming and crying
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coming from her room.
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Stop! It's my daughter, not yours!
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You have no right to touch her!
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I rushed over, and all I can say is
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I've never seen anything like this.
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[Both crying]
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She just got attacked.
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It started on her back
first, just scratching.
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And then it grabbed
her again by the neck.
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Oh, geez. Look at that.
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You can see the welts.
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[Nikki crying]
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[Deborah and Nikki crying]
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- What happened?
- She just got attacked.
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It started on her back
first, just scratching.
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And then it grabbed
her again by the neck.
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Oh, geez. Look at that.
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You can see the welts.
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NIKKI: I feel really helpless.
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Whatever's here can go to Hell.
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[Crying]
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So, how are you doing? You're
doing better from before?
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I was able to get some rest,
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and I'm doing a little bit better.
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- That happens a lot to you, doesn't it?
- Yeah.
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Okay. Well, you're the
reason Mom called us in.
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She thinks you're in danger.
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Do you feel the same way, that
you're in deep danger here?
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At times, I really do.
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I'm scared for my family.
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Okay.
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I want to talk about all the
experiences you're having.
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What's going on?
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I'd get scratched.
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Like, earlier today, I was,
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and I would get scratched in the shower.
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I'd feel these burning sensations.
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And then I'd look down,
257
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and I have scratches all over me.
258
00:12:48,702 --> 00:12:50,469
Now, what do these
scratches exactly look like?
259
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Are they long?
260
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Actually, these are
what it can look like.
261
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Oh, geez.
262
00:13:01,682 --> 00:13:04,349
So it's almost exactly
like what I saw before?
263
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Yes.
264
00:13:05,452 --> 00:13:07,219
You're not doing this
to yourself, are you?
265
00:13:07,221 --> 00:13:08,954
- No, I'm not.
- Look at me.
266
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I'm not doing this to myself.
267
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[Voice breaking] I
wouldn't do this to myself.
268
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Okay. 'Cause sometimes people
do things to get attention.
269
00:13:16,996 --> 00:13:19,330
Yeah, I know.
270
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Are you getting touched any other way?
271
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Yeah.
272
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Um, I had been sleeping
out on the couch,
273
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and I started feeling like
something just touched me,
274
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just like that,
275
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and then go all the way down my body.
276
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It got sexually inappropriate with you?
277
00:13:37,150 --> 00:13:39,316
Yes. It just really freaked me out.
278
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I've never been touched
like that before.
279
00:13:41,956 --> 00:13:43,787
Okay. It's all right.
280
00:13:43,789 --> 00:13:46,325
I feel like because of it
singling me out all the time,
281
00:13:46,327 --> 00:13:49,297
maybe it has something to do with me.
282
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AMY: The younger guy,
283
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he stated that he would
like to be killing things.
284
00:13:58,305 --> 00:14:01,373
Would the living in
here be aware of him?
285
00:14:01,375 --> 00:14:03,307
Yeah, no, they're
aware. Oh, yeah. Totally.
286
00:14:03,309 --> 00:14:06,746
Um, maybe feeling, like, movement.
287
00:14:08,682 --> 00:14:11,149
Hearing, like, mumbling,
288
00:14:11,151 --> 00:14:13,218
feeling pressure on the bed,
289
00:14:13,220 --> 00:14:15,122
like, when they're laying on the bed.
290
00:14:17,223 --> 00:14:18,658
I don't trust him.
291
00:14:26,500 --> 00:14:28,332
STEVE: Jeff, I was talking to your wife,
292
00:14:28,334 --> 00:14:29,634
and I understand this is
where you're sleeping now?
293
00:14:29,636 --> 00:14:30,902
- Yeah.
- Okay.
294
00:14:30,904 --> 00:14:32,437
I mean, that can't be
good for the marriage.
295
00:14:32,439 --> 00:14:35,806
It is aggravating,
frustrating, you know,
296
00:14:35,808 --> 00:14:38,042
that you just want to...
297
00:14:38,044 --> 00:14:39,510
Right.
298
00:14:39,512 --> 00:14:42,413
Well, earlier, I walked
away for a second.
299
00:14:42,415 --> 00:14:44,449
I come back and your
daughter's getting attacked.
300
00:14:44,451 --> 00:14:47,252
It's something I've never seen before.
301
00:14:47,254 --> 00:14:50,154
It... it just seems to
go after, you know, women.
302
00:14:50,156 --> 00:14:53,224
To me, that's weak and...
303
00:14:53,226 --> 00:14:55,659
- Cowardice.
- Yeah, exactly.
304
00:14:55,661 --> 00:14:57,928
So you consider yourself a skeptic?
305
00:14:57,930 --> 00:14:59,965
No, not anymore.
306
00:14:59,967 --> 00:15:01,867
So what changed your mind?
307
00:15:01,869 --> 00:15:04,202
The time when I saw for myself.
308
00:15:04,204 --> 00:15:06,904
There was a pot on the counter.
309
00:15:06,906 --> 00:15:09,407
It actually went off of that
310
00:15:09,409 --> 00:15:11,409
and onto the floor in the next room.
311
00:15:11,411 --> 00:15:13,311
- You saw this happen?
- Yes.
312
00:15:13,313 --> 00:15:14,946
How did you react when you saw that?
313
00:15:14,948 --> 00:15:16,181
It got me pretty angry,
314
00:15:16,183 --> 00:15:18,182
I mean, to the point
where I screamed at it,
315
00:15:18,184 --> 00:15:19,984
"Come on, you coward, S.O.B.
316
00:15:19,986 --> 00:15:22,619
Here I am. Take me."
317
00:15:22,621 --> 00:15:24,455
Have you seen anything else like that?
318
00:15:24,457 --> 00:15:27,191
Uh, I've seen, like, shadow figures
319
00:15:27,193 --> 00:15:28,494
out of the corner of my eye.
320
00:15:28,496 --> 00:15:30,095
In which part of the house?
321
00:15:30,097 --> 00:15:32,797
Usually right around between
the bedroom I'm in now
322
00:15:32,799 --> 00:15:34,066
and my daughter's room.
323
00:15:34,068 --> 00:15:35,867
- Okay, so right here basically?
- Yeah.
324
00:15:35,869 --> 00:15:38,036
Could you tell if it
was a male or a female?
325
00:15:38,038 --> 00:15:39,771
- Male.
- Okay.
326
00:15:39,773 --> 00:15:41,806
I got to ask you a question
as a husband and a father.
327
00:15:41,808 --> 00:15:43,508
Do you think the girls are in danger?
328
00:15:43,510 --> 00:15:47,711
I don't really want to admit
it, but they are getting harmed.
329
00:15:47,713 --> 00:15:49,748
I want to protect them.
330
00:15:49,750 --> 00:15:51,816
I never thought I'd
ever be in a situation
331
00:15:51,818 --> 00:15:53,051
that I wouldn't be able to.
332
00:15:53,053 --> 00:15:55,289
And I don't know what to do.
333
00:15:59,425 --> 00:16:04,363
That old fussy man, the
OCD man, he's in here a lot.
334
00:16:04,365 --> 00:16:09,167
He's... He tells me, "I'm
trying to wake them up.
335
00:16:09,169 --> 00:16:11,970
Wake up! Wake up!"
336
00:16:11,972 --> 00:16:13,370
MATT: Wake who up?
337
00:16:13,372 --> 00:16:15,941
I see...
338
00:16:15,943 --> 00:16:17,776
I think it... I think it's a male,
339
00:16:17,778 --> 00:16:19,912
probably in his 30s or 40s,
340
00:16:19,914 --> 00:16:24,284
waking up because he is
hearing, "Wake up! Wake up!"
341
00:16:26,286 --> 00:16:30,721
The dead OCD man is
trying to help this person.
342
00:16:30,723 --> 00:16:33,825
He's trying to warn.
343
00:16:33,827 --> 00:16:35,194
He's trying to give a warning.
344
00:16:35,196 --> 00:16:36,960
About what?
345
00:16:36,962 --> 00:16:38,598
Everything in this house.
346
00:16:41,034 --> 00:16:42,566
I think that this person
347
00:16:42,568 --> 00:16:45,936
is probably the most sensitive
person in the household,
348
00:16:45,938 --> 00:16:47,104
and because of that,
349
00:16:47,106 --> 00:16:49,040
is being severely affected by this.
350
00:16:49,042 --> 00:16:51,609
He's very depressed.
351
00:16:51,611 --> 00:16:53,711
He's trying to tell them
352
00:16:53,713 --> 00:16:57,150
they probably should get out
of here as quickly as possible.
353
00:17:08,695 --> 00:17:10,949
STEVE: So one of the first things
I do when I start an investigation
354
00:17:11,049 --> 00:17:13,982
is reach out to the local
cops, reporters, and historians.
355
00:17:13,984 --> 00:17:16,350
I just got a call
back from a genealogist
356
00:17:16,352 --> 00:17:19,088
who says she might be able to help.
357
00:17:19,090 --> 00:17:20,723
Turns out,
358
00:17:20,725 --> 00:17:22,625
one of the original owners
of Deborah and Jeff's property
359
00:17:22,627 --> 00:17:24,796
had a real tragic time there.
360
00:17:29,234 --> 00:17:30,799
Now, you mentioned on the phone
361
00:17:30,801 --> 00:17:33,636
one of the original owners of
the property I'm investigating
362
00:17:33,638 --> 00:17:35,838
had a pretty tough time
while they were there.
363
00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,307
But before we get to that,
though, who was this guy?
364
00:17:38,309 --> 00:17:40,942
His name was Mills H. Eure.
365
00:17:40,944 --> 00:17:44,713
He got the land in 1840,
inherited from his grandmother.
366
00:17:44,715 --> 00:17:48,050
Okay, so the land he inherits.
What kind of land is it?
367
00:17:48,052 --> 00:17:50,453
- It was most likely farmland.
- Okay.
368
00:17:50,455 --> 00:17:53,054
Uh, most likely a plantation.
369
00:17:53,056 --> 00:17:58,926
And the 1860 census we do have,
where Mills owned 11 slaves.
370
00:17:58,928 --> 00:18:01,397
Now, Cathy, you mentioned on the phone
371
00:18:01,399 --> 00:18:03,165
that there was tragedy with this family.
372
00:18:03,167 --> 00:18:04,466
What was the story?
373
00:18:04,468 --> 00:18:07,935
Well, Mills married in the early 1840s
374
00:18:07,937 --> 00:18:09,604
to a Miss Williams.
375
00:18:09,606 --> 00:18:13,175
They had a little girl in 1845.
376
00:18:13,177 --> 00:18:16,512
And by 1850, the mother was dead.
377
00:18:16,514 --> 00:18:17,612
Do we know what she died of?
378
00:18:17,614 --> 00:18:18,847
We do not.
379
00:18:18,849 --> 00:18:21,249
North Carolina did not
require death records
380
00:18:21,251 --> 00:18:22,385
at that point in time.
381
00:18:22,387 --> 00:18:24,185
Does he ever remarry?
382
00:18:24,187 --> 00:18:25,620
He does.
383
00:18:25,622 --> 00:18:31,527
He married in 1853 to
Sarah Louisa Savage.
384
00:18:31,529 --> 00:18:34,562
She was 18. He was 32.
385
00:18:34,564 --> 00:18:36,999
And then tragedy hits him again
386
00:18:37,001 --> 00:18:39,568
because the second wife died in 1859.
387
00:18:39,570 --> 00:18:41,203
She was dead by 24.
388
00:18:41,205 --> 00:18:42,369
What does she die of?
389
00:18:42,371 --> 00:18:43,606
Again, we don't know.
390
00:18:43,608 --> 00:18:45,307
All right. So I'm afraid to even ask.
391
00:18:45,309 --> 00:18:46,809
Did this guy ever get married again?
392
00:18:46,811 --> 00:18:48,010
No, he did not.
393
00:18:48,012 --> 00:18:50,979
He remained single for
the rest of his life.
394
00:18:50,981 --> 00:18:52,981
Well, this is pretty good information.
395
00:18:52,983 --> 00:18:55,384
I don't know how it's gonna
help in the investigation,
396
00:18:55,386 --> 00:18:56,818
but it's interesting
397
00:18:56,820 --> 00:18:59,754
how this poor guy lost two
wives pretty young in life.
398
00:18:59,756 --> 00:19:02,357
I do have something
else that might help you.
399
00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:06,328
His only son died in a very tragic way.
400
00:19:06,330 --> 00:19:07,663
What happened?
401
00:19:07,665 --> 00:19:10,299
He apparently was an alcoholic.
402
00:19:10,301 --> 00:19:14,503
He went on a 10-day bender,
and he was firing his pistol.
403
00:19:14,505 --> 00:19:16,570
People were running left and right,
404
00:19:16,572 --> 00:19:18,506
trying to get out of his way.
405
00:19:18,508 --> 00:19:21,676
He came upon a local
merchant, Edward Gatlin,
406
00:19:21,678 --> 00:19:24,245
and told him he was going to kill him.
407
00:19:24,247 --> 00:19:25,514
Okay.
408
00:19:25,516 --> 00:19:27,849
Gatlin managed to reach his gun first
409
00:19:27,851 --> 00:19:30,554
and fired and shot
young Mills in the back.
410
00:19:31,988 --> 00:19:35,456
We have a newspaper article
that talks about that.
411
00:19:35,458 --> 00:19:39,096
Mills lingered on and died 2 days later.
412
00:19:43,132 --> 00:19:47,468
AMY: This guy was, like,
super psycho when he was alive.
413
00:19:47,470 --> 00:19:49,804
The second I walked back outside,
414
00:19:49,806 --> 00:19:52,407
the young dead guy is all over me.
415
00:19:52,409 --> 00:19:55,711
And I'm starting to see he
was a violent man in life.
416
00:19:55,713 --> 00:19:58,416
He's telling me he wants to kill things.
417
00:20:00,583 --> 00:20:03,185
He probably wasn't the nicest dude.
418
00:20:03,187 --> 00:20:05,389
He might've hurt people.
419
00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:08,990
Nobody's at rest here.
420
00:20:08,992 --> 00:20:11,259
The living aren't. The dead aren't.
421
00:20:11,261 --> 00:20:12,261
It's hard.
422
00:20:12,263 --> 00:20:13,764
[Sighs]
423
00:20:15,331 --> 00:20:17,965
STEVE: So far, I know the
previous landowner Mills Eure
424
00:20:17,967 --> 00:20:20,636
suffered one tragedy after another,
425
00:20:20,638 --> 00:20:23,105
losing two wives at a very young age.
426
00:20:23,107 --> 00:20:25,944
But I need to see if
there's anything more.
427
00:20:26,910 --> 00:20:29,810
Searching through old
records, I find Thomas Pitman,
428
00:20:29,812 --> 00:20:32,047
who purchased the land from Mills Eure.
429
00:20:32,049 --> 00:20:34,582
Turns out Pitman also lost two wives
430
00:20:34,584 --> 00:20:36,553
while living on the property.
431
00:20:38,456 --> 00:20:42,724
Believe it or not, this guy's
granddaughter is still alive.
432
00:20:42,726 --> 00:20:44,693
She's 96, feisty as hell,
433
00:20:44,695 --> 00:20:46,998
and willing to talk
about her grandfather.
434
00:20:51,569 --> 00:20:55,370
So your grandfather, you remember him?
435
00:20:55,372 --> 00:20:57,939
Mm-hmm. - Now, how old
were you when he passed away?
436
00:20:57,941 --> 00:20:59,307
Ten years old.
437
00:20:59,309 --> 00:21:00,908
Now, I understand
438
00:21:00,910 --> 00:21:03,779
your grandfather purchased
my client's property in 1882.
439
00:21:03,781 --> 00:21:06,648
Yeah. But I wasn't around then.
440
00:21:06,650 --> 00:21:08,383
I would hope not.
441
00:21:08,385 --> 00:21:09,650
[Laughs]
442
00:21:09,652 --> 00:21:11,252
What kind of a man was he?
443
00:21:11,254 --> 00:21:16,224
He was a good man, always
doing something for us.
444
00:21:16,226 --> 00:21:18,560
I know that your grandfather's
first wife, Annie,
445
00:21:18,562 --> 00:21:20,963
died in 1874,
446
00:21:20,965 --> 00:21:23,197
but the records are
unclear as to how she died.
447
00:21:23,199 --> 00:21:24,166
Do you have any idea?
448
00:21:24,168 --> 00:21:26,502
It was diphtheria.
449
00:21:26,504 --> 00:21:28,436
Now, I know your grandfather remarried
450
00:21:28,438 --> 00:21:29,437
to a woman named Sally.
451
00:21:29,439 --> 00:21:31,039
Sally died in 1891,
452
00:21:31,041 --> 00:21:34,445
but I couldn't find any records
to tell me what she died of.
453
00:21:38,415 --> 00:21:40,247
Okay, so she died from the same thing?
454
00:21:40,249 --> 00:21:41,683
Mm-hmm.
455
00:21:41,685 --> 00:21:44,351
I know your grandfather
lost two wives at this point.
456
00:21:44,353 --> 00:21:45,486
Did he remarry again?
457
00:21:45,488 --> 00:21:48,290
Yes, he did, in 1894.
458
00:21:48,292 --> 00:21:50,925
Stella, that's my grandmother.
459
00:21:50,927 --> 00:21:54,631
That man on the end is my grandfather.
460
00:21:56,300 --> 00:21:58,868
Now, do you know when he died?
461
00:21:58,870 --> 00:22:02,774
He died one week after
his 80th birthday.
462
00:22:08,245 --> 00:22:14,649
Unfortunately, this is
not, uh, a happy place.
463
00:22:14,651 --> 00:22:17,453
Like, I'm hearing that word "sorrow."
464
00:22:17,455 --> 00:22:19,788
There's a lot of sorrow here.
465
00:22:19,790 --> 00:22:22,960
A lot of sorrow, a lot
of pain, a lot of loss.
466
00:22:28,264 --> 00:22:30,400
Oh, boy.
467
00:22:33,771 --> 00:22:36,605
There's something very wrong.
468
00:22:36,607 --> 00:22:39,110
Nothing is as it seems here. Nothing.
469
00:22:40,677 --> 00:22:43,648
It's pretty crazy.
470
00:22:48,718 --> 00:22:50,386
If you need us to investigate
471
00:22:50,388 --> 00:22:52,087
unexplained activity in your home,
472
00:22:52,089 --> 00:22:54,990
go to the "Dead Files"
page at travelchannel.com.
473
00:22:54,992 --> 00:22:57,259
Click on "Help me, Dead
Files!" to submit your story,
474
00:22:57,261 --> 00:22:58,162
and we'll help if we can.
475
00:23:05,468 --> 00:23:08,604
STEVE: Now, another thing that
caught my eye during research
476
00:23:08,606 --> 00:23:11,506
was The Buffaloes, a deadly gang
477
00:23:11,508 --> 00:23:13,408
that tore through town
and murdered a woman
478
00:23:13,410 --> 00:23:15,042
right next door to my client's property.
479
00:23:15,044 --> 00:23:17,545
I'm on my way to meet with a historian
480
00:23:17,547 --> 00:23:19,347
who says that The Buffaloes
481
00:23:19,349 --> 00:23:21,686
were cold-blooded killers and thieves.
482
00:23:25,988 --> 00:23:28,522
So, Chris, I know a
lot about the Civil War
483
00:23:28,524 --> 00:23:29,958
from research I've done.
484
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,493
But I never heard of The Buffaloes.
485
00:23:31,495 --> 00:23:33,762
Buffaloes were a ragtag group of men.
486
00:23:33,764 --> 00:23:36,397
This is a picture of
some Buffalo soldiers.
487
00:23:36,399 --> 00:23:38,899
They were a wandering group
488
00:23:38,901 --> 00:23:41,970
who were ex-Confederate soldiers,
489
00:23:41,972 --> 00:23:43,839
runaway slaves, thieves.
490
00:23:43,841 --> 00:23:47,141
I mean, biracial? I mean, 1860s? Really?
491
00:23:47,143 --> 00:23:48,676
Very, very unusual.
492
00:23:48,678 --> 00:23:50,744
All right. So what would these guys do?
493
00:23:50,746 --> 00:23:53,514
Well, they went on a huge
crime spree in the area.
494
00:23:53,516 --> 00:23:56,652
They would attack farms,
steal the people's property.
495
00:23:56,654 --> 00:23:58,253
If they met any resistance,
496
00:23:58,255 --> 00:24:00,957
they wouldn't hesitate
to kill the person.
497
00:24:03,494 --> 00:24:06,027
AMY: There are men outside,
498
00:24:06,029 --> 00:24:07,396
all different colors.
499
00:24:07,398 --> 00:24:11,032
They seemed to be very agitated.
500
00:24:11,034 --> 00:24:14,168
It seems like a very desolate place,
501
00:24:14,170 --> 00:24:18,374
but I'm getting a lot
of wrongful deaths here.
502
00:24:18,376 --> 00:24:20,945
That's how it feels with these men.
503
00:24:22,146 --> 00:24:24,045
So now, I know they
attacked and killed a woman
504
00:24:24,047 --> 00:24:26,281
that lived right next door
to my client's property.
505
00:24:26,283 --> 00:24:27,950
Do you know anything about that?
506
00:24:27,952 --> 00:24:30,118
Yes, her name was Mrs. Spivey.
507
00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:33,355
On a raid in February 1865,
they attacked her house.
508
00:24:33,357 --> 00:24:35,224
They took all of her belongings,
509
00:24:35,226 --> 00:24:38,292
and then they wanted a
little something extra.
510
00:24:38,294 --> 00:24:39,695
And she refused them,
511
00:24:39,697 --> 00:24:42,397
and they summarily
shot and bayoneted her.
512
00:24:42,399 --> 00:24:44,133
Okay.
513
00:24:44,135 --> 00:24:45,599
On that same day,
514
00:24:45,601 --> 00:24:47,702
they actually attacked
your client's property.
515
00:24:47,704 --> 00:24:49,972
Okay, who was living there at the time?
516
00:24:49,974 --> 00:24:51,041
Mills Eure.
517
00:24:52,075 --> 00:24:54,076
I already came across
him in my research.
518
00:24:54,078 --> 00:24:55,210
What happened?
519
00:24:55,212 --> 00:24:58,079
They attacked, took all of his property,
520
00:24:58,081 --> 00:24:59,050
and beat him up.
521
00:25:01,851 --> 00:25:07,321
I see this woman, and
she's got long black hair.
522
00:25:07,323 --> 00:25:08,956
I'm just, like, in her,
523
00:25:08,958 --> 00:25:12,394
and I'm feeling a man grabbing me
524
00:25:12,396 --> 00:25:15,066
and, like, slitting my throat.
525
00:25:17,001 --> 00:25:19,266
Then he, like...
526
00:25:19,268 --> 00:25:21,970
caved in basically half her face.
527
00:25:21,972 --> 00:25:26,344
I felt, like, this horrible
pain in the right eye socket.
528
00:25:28,645 --> 00:25:32,547
And then I hear lots of
women screaming and moaning.
529
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:35,550
And then, quickly, very
quickly, I see a male
530
00:25:35,552 --> 00:25:39,253
who's dressed in very
dark blue with gold trim.
531
00:25:39,255 --> 00:25:43,024
I've never seen any kind of
military dress like this before.
532
00:25:43,026 --> 00:25:45,629
All I heard was, "He is a murderer."
533
00:25:48,764 --> 00:25:50,964
All right. So did these
guys ever get caught,
534
00:25:50,966 --> 00:25:52,800
or did they just get away with it?
535
00:25:52,802 --> 00:25:54,368
Yes, they did get caught.
536
00:25:54,370 --> 00:25:56,070
The Confederate Army came in,
537
00:25:56,072 --> 00:25:58,307
attacked their base camp,
and captured 14 of these men.
538
00:25:58,309 --> 00:26:01,943
Ten were returned as deserters
to their original unit,
539
00:26:01,945 --> 00:26:03,579
but four of these men
540
00:26:03,581 --> 00:26:06,681
were taken to Mrs.
Spivey's house and executed.
541
00:26:06,683 --> 00:26:09,520
And here's a newspaper
account of that attack.
542
00:26:11,021 --> 00:26:13,688
And what was the reason for
going back to the property?
543
00:26:13,690 --> 00:26:16,625
To teach a lesson to any of
the other thieves in the area.
544
00:26:16,627 --> 00:26:18,029
Okay.
545
00:26:24,001 --> 00:26:26,701
AMY: I saw several
dead people on my walk,
546
00:26:26,703 --> 00:26:29,404
but the young dead man
tormenting a living woman
547
00:26:29,406 --> 00:26:31,473
had me the most concerned.
548
00:26:31,475 --> 00:26:34,842
His face is all black.
549
00:26:34,844 --> 00:26:37,479
Thin nose.
550
00:26:37,481 --> 00:26:39,981
He had a weird kind of look.
551
00:26:39,983 --> 00:26:44,588
He was standing on the bed
and touching her shoulder.
552
00:26:48,491 --> 00:26:49,991
Is this what you saw?
553
00:26:49,993 --> 00:26:52,029
Yes.
554
00:27:12,248 --> 00:27:15,250
STEVE: Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
555
00:27:15,252 --> 00:27:17,386
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
556
00:27:17,388 --> 00:27:19,954
and our clients for the first time.
557
00:27:19,956 --> 00:27:22,691
Amy, I'd like you to meet
Deborah, her husband, Jeff,
558
00:27:22,693 --> 00:27:24,059
and their daughter, Nikki.
559
00:27:24,061 --> 00:27:25,927
Now, I spent the day with the family
560
00:27:25,929 --> 00:27:28,262
and got a firsthand look
at how bad things are.
561
00:27:28,264 --> 00:27:29,830
And it was very disturbing.
562
00:27:29,832 --> 00:27:32,634
Probably one of the most
serious cases we've ever done.
563
00:27:32,636 --> 00:27:36,204
And the family's convinced
that whatever's going on
564
00:27:36,206 --> 00:27:37,839
is going after Nikki.
565
00:27:37,841 --> 00:27:42,077
And they'll do whatever
it takes to keep her safe.
566
00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:43,977
Now that Amy knows
567
00:27:43,979 --> 00:27:46,747
just a little bit about what
you guys are going through,
568
00:27:46,749 --> 00:27:48,818
I'm gonna ask her to
describe the walk for us.
569
00:27:50,620 --> 00:27:52,721
When I was outside,
570
00:27:52,723 --> 00:27:56,224
I saw this woman that
was being murdered.
571
00:27:56,226 --> 00:27:58,960
She was in her 20s or 30s.
572
00:27:58,962 --> 00:28:01,162
She had long black hair.
573
00:28:01,164 --> 00:28:03,898
And I suddenly felt like I
was kind of inside her body.
574
00:28:03,900 --> 00:28:08,535
And a male came up and grabbed me
575
00:28:08,537 --> 00:28:10,040
and slit my throat.
576
00:28:12,309 --> 00:28:17,212
I felt horrible pain in my eye socket
577
00:28:17,214 --> 00:28:19,080
and also my nose.
578
00:28:19,082 --> 00:28:20,648
And then, I saw a male
579
00:28:20,650 --> 00:28:24,252
who was wearing this really
strange military outfit.
580
00:28:24,254 --> 00:28:26,954
And it was dark blue with gold.
581
00:28:26,956 --> 00:28:29,256
And he kind of had a
strange hat, as well.
582
00:28:29,258 --> 00:28:30,591
It was, like, more like a cowboy hat.
583
00:28:30,593 --> 00:28:33,561
There were quite a few.
584
00:28:33,563 --> 00:28:35,463
And they were all
different ages and races,
585
00:28:35,465 --> 00:28:36,864
but they were all male.
586
00:28:36,866 --> 00:28:39,333
Well, I think I can
help you out on this one.
587
00:28:39,335 --> 00:28:40,835
Back in the 1860s,
588
00:28:40,837 --> 00:28:43,070
there was a group of
outlaws called The Buffaloes.
589
00:28:43,072 --> 00:28:45,307
The strange thing about
this group of men were
590
00:28:45,309 --> 00:28:46,674
they were multiracial,
591
00:28:46,676 --> 00:28:49,543
which was pretty odd
for the time period.
592
00:28:49,545 --> 00:28:51,479
It was during the Civil War.
593
00:28:51,481 --> 00:28:52,981
They were a gang made up
594
00:28:52,983 --> 00:28:55,817
of ex-Civil War soldiers,
criminals, escaped slaves.
595
00:28:55,819 --> 00:28:57,019
Wow.
596
00:28:57,021 --> 00:28:58,686
I was actually able to get a photo.
597
00:28:58,688 --> 00:28:59,820
You mentioned the uniforms.
598
00:28:59,822 --> 00:29:03,326
Oh, yeah. Oh, how weird.
599
00:29:06,529 --> 00:29:09,764
Now, in February of 1865,
600
00:29:09,766 --> 00:29:11,399
they came onto your property
601
00:29:11,401 --> 00:29:15,235
that was inhabited by a guy
named Mills Eure at the time.
602
00:29:15,237 --> 00:29:16,704
I have an article here
603
00:29:16,706 --> 00:29:19,174
that says how they
nearly beat him to death
604
00:29:19,176 --> 00:29:20,575
and stole all his property.
605
00:29:20,577 --> 00:29:22,577
Now, right after that happened,
606
00:29:22,579 --> 00:29:25,681
they decided to go right
next door to your property
607
00:29:25,683 --> 00:29:27,549
and attack a woman named Mrs. Spivey.
608
00:29:27,551 --> 00:29:29,783
The historian I had spoke to
609
00:29:29,785 --> 00:29:31,919
said they tried to rape
her after they robbed her.
610
00:29:31,921 --> 00:29:33,221
She fought back,
611
00:29:33,223 --> 00:29:36,957
and they wind up bayoneting
her and shooting her.
612
00:29:36,959 --> 00:29:38,225
Mm.
613
00:29:38,227 --> 00:29:40,627
She died right in the property.
614
00:29:40,629 --> 00:29:42,797
Now, 14 of these guys were caught.
615
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:44,733
They turned 10 over
to the Confederate Army
616
00:29:44,735 --> 00:29:46,134
'cause they were deserters.
617
00:29:46,136 --> 00:29:47,801
And the other four,
618
00:29:47,803 --> 00:29:49,904
they actually brought back
to to where Mrs. Spivey lived.
619
00:29:49,906 --> 00:29:51,939
They executed those men
right there on the property.
620
00:29:51,941 --> 00:29:52,976
Oh, okay.
621
00:29:57,447 --> 00:30:01,515
Inside the house, I encountered a couple
622
00:30:01,517 --> 00:30:04,985
of very solid, conscious dead people.
623
00:30:04,987 --> 00:30:07,222
One was an older man.
624
00:30:07,224 --> 00:30:08,924
He has severe OCD.
625
00:30:08,926 --> 00:30:11,525
And I felt like the living
626
00:30:11,527 --> 00:30:13,560
might have some of these experiences,
627
00:30:13,562 --> 00:30:16,365
going through spells of OCD.
628
00:30:16,367 --> 00:30:19,001
So you'll, like, work
a problem to death,
629
00:30:19,003 --> 00:30:21,136
or you'll reflect on something to death.
630
00:30:21,138 --> 00:30:24,405
And he likes messing with
people's ears and faces.
631
00:30:24,407 --> 00:30:26,608
He likes to touch that.
632
00:30:26,610 --> 00:30:28,510
NIKKI: You just hit that on cue.
633
00:30:28,512 --> 00:30:29,910
The hair pulling,
634
00:30:29,912 --> 00:30:33,048
the messing with my
face constantly at night.
635
00:30:33,050 --> 00:30:36,885
And the OCD part, I have
seen that especially on her.
636
00:30:36,887 --> 00:30:39,687
Yes. I can get on one thought,
637
00:30:39,689 --> 00:30:41,756
and I can just wring it
638
00:30:41,758 --> 00:30:44,525
and just take it as far as
it can go, and then some.
639
00:30:44,527 --> 00:30:46,093
Mm-hmm,
mm-hmm.
640
00:30:46,095 --> 00:30:48,795
But does that happen to
you when you're not home?
641
00:30:48,797 --> 00:30:50,865
No.
642
00:30:50,867 --> 00:30:53,734
Do you have any idea who this
guy might've been in life?
643
00:30:53,736 --> 00:30:55,803
He was in his late 60s.
644
00:30:55,805 --> 00:30:59,107
He seemed short. He
died fairly recently.
645
00:30:59,109 --> 00:31:02,843
He had compulsive
behaviors in life, you know.
646
00:31:02,845 --> 00:31:05,480
He was fussy with other living people.
647
00:31:05,482 --> 00:31:07,014
He was very neurotic.
648
00:31:07,016 --> 00:31:09,015
He's not okay right now.
649
00:31:09,017 --> 00:31:11,087
Well, that's the 800-pound
gorilla in the room.
650
00:31:12,155 --> 00:31:13,454
My father.
651
00:31:13,456 --> 00:31:15,223
Oh, really?
652
00:31:15,225 --> 00:31:18,092
He was 62 when he died.
653
00:31:18,094 --> 00:31:19,426
Okay.
654
00:31:19,428 --> 00:31:22,329
He was a... just a hard-ass, period.
655
00:31:22,331 --> 00:31:24,933
Strict, loving at the same time.
656
00:31:24,935 --> 00:31:28,235
My mom, she had to walk around
the house with a white glove,
657
00:31:28,237 --> 00:31:29,436
check for dust.
658
00:31:29,438 --> 00:31:31,173
Wow, okay.
659
00:31:31,175 --> 00:31:32,573
Compulsive.
660
00:31:32,575 --> 00:31:38,081
So the thing is, he's drawn to you.
661
00:31:39,983 --> 00:31:43,348
He's trying to always talk to you
662
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:44,819
to give you warnings.
663
00:31:44,821 --> 00:31:49,724
He tells me, "I'm
trying to wake them up.
664
00:31:49,726 --> 00:31:52,393
Wake up! Wake up!"
665
00:31:52,395 --> 00:31:54,562
But you're just completely, like,
666
00:31:54,564 --> 00:31:56,667
I guess kind of ignoring him?
667
00:32:02,205 --> 00:32:04,038
He's trying to warn you.
668
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,408
He's trying to protect from
the other dead that are here.
669
00:32:08,410 --> 00:32:09,977
You were hinting at him,
670
00:32:09,979 --> 00:32:11,779
like you think he may
have some abilities.
671
00:32:11,781 --> 00:32:14,115
You do have quite a few
dead people around you.
672
00:32:14,117 --> 00:32:19,052
And it feels like they can
really talk to you, so...
673
00:32:19,054 --> 00:32:23,957
Well, I got a couple of
photos of Deborah's father.
674
00:32:23,959 --> 00:32:26,194
This is her wedding day.
675
00:32:26,196 --> 00:32:28,695
Okay.
676
00:32:28,697 --> 00:32:30,964
Is that who you think it was?
677
00:32:30,966 --> 00:32:33,868
It looks like him, but way thinner.
678
00:32:33,870 --> 00:32:35,002
Way thinner.
679
00:32:35,004 --> 00:32:37,304
And when he passed, he was way thinner.
680
00:32:37,306 --> 00:32:38,740
Okay, that makes sense.
681
00:32:38,742 --> 00:32:40,207
When we spoke,
682
00:32:40,209 --> 00:32:42,543
you said you thought your father
was there from time to time.
683
00:32:42,545 --> 00:32:44,113
Yeah. [Sniffles]
684
00:32:47,184 --> 00:32:50,016
Here, take that.
685
00:32:50,018 --> 00:32:51,587
Thank you.
686
00:32:57,893 --> 00:33:00,797
Just miss him. I miss him a lot.
687
00:33:03,966 --> 00:33:06,768
You mentioned you ran into
a couple of dead people.
688
00:33:06,770 --> 00:33:08,069
Who else?
689
00:33:08,071 --> 00:33:11,071
One of the people that
I'm most concerned about
690
00:33:11,073 --> 00:33:12,406
is this young dead guy.
691
00:33:12,408 --> 00:33:15,041
He is a threat.
692
00:33:15,043 --> 00:33:16,677
It, to me, felt like
693
00:33:16,679 --> 00:33:18,512
he didn't particularly care for women.
694
00:33:18,514 --> 00:33:23,685
I think he's kind of a psycho.
695
00:33:23,687 --> 00:33:25,352
My assumption was
696
00:33:25,354 --> 00:33:29,291
that he wasn't a particularly
good person when he was alive.
697
00:33:29,293 --> 00:33:32,963
At one point, he was like,
"Yeah, I want to kill things."
698
00:33:35,364 --> 00:33:37,865
Well, it... it's a shot in the dark,
699
00:33:37,867 --> 00:33:39,867
but remember the guy I
told you about, Mills Eure,
700
00:33:39,869 --> 00:33:41,269
who got beat up by The Buffaloes?
701
00:33:41,271 --> 00:33:42,537
Yes.
702
00:33:42,539 --> 00:33:44,772
He had a son, Mills
Jr., who was a drunk.
703
00:33:44,774 --> 00:33:47,641
And one time, he went on
a 10-day alcohol bender.
704
00:33:47,643 --> 00:33:49,010
Apparently, he wound up
705
00:33:49,012 --> 00:33:51,345
walking through the
streets downtown nearby,
706
00:33:51,347 --> 00:33:53,013
shooting his gun in the air.
707
00:33:53,015 --> 00:33:55,483
And people were scurrying
all over the place.
708
00:33:55,485 --> 00:33:57,685
He approaches this local merchant
709
00:33:57,687 --> 00:33:59,553
by the name of Edward Gatlin.
710
00:33:59,555 --> 00:34:01,289
And he says, "I'm gonna...
I'm gonna kill you."
711
00:34:01,291 --> 00:34:02,656
And he goes for his gun.
712
00:34:02,658 --> 00:34:04,158
Gatlin was a quicker shot,
713
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,093
pulled out his gun, and
shoots him in the back.
714
00:34:06,095 --> 00:34:09,530
There's only other one weird
thing about the property.
715
00:34:09,532 --> 00:34:11,064
And you mentioned women?
716
00:34:11,066 --> 00:34:12,667
Mm-hmm.
717
00:34:12,669 --> 00:34:15,637
Mills had two wives who
died young on the property,
718
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:18,004
and there's no record
of what they died of.
719
00:34:18,006 --> 00:34:20,774
Then I spoke with
a 96-year-old woman
720
00:34:20,776 --> 00:34:24,412
whose grandfather
bought the land in 1882.
721
00:34:24,414 --> 00:34:26,548
His name was Thomas Pitman.
722
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:29,350
He had lost two wives
as well on the property.
723
00:34:29,352 --> 00:34:31,251
- Wow.
- And they were both young.
724
00:34:31,253 --> 00:34:34,388
Interesting. Okay.
725
00:34:34,390 --> 00:34:36,591
Now, this young dead guy you saw,
726
00:34:36,593 --> 00:34:38,760
what could he do to affect the living?
727
00:34:38,762 --> 00:34:41,062
Well, the thing was, a female showed up,
728
00:34:41,064 --> 00:34:42,963
a dead female.
729
00:34:42,965 --> 00:34:44,198
And this person
730
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,535
seemed to have been in
a relationship with him.
731
00:34:47,537 --> 00:34:51,004
And he was very irritated
that she showed up.
732
00:34:51,006 --> 00:34:53,008
And they were, like, arguing.
733
00:34:53,010 --> 00:34:55,709
And he was, like, you
know, really pissed off.
734
00:34:55,711 --> 00:34:57,077
What I saw was, like,
735
00:34:57,079 --> 00:35:00,214
the living picking up on
their anger and fighting,
736
00:35:00,216 --> 00:35:01,649
and so they're emulating them.
737
00:35:01,651 --> 00:35:03,084
So they're fighting, as well.
738
00:35:03,086 --> 00:35:07,588
And if he's around, you
could feel, like, ice.
739
00:35:07,590 --> 00:35:08,923
Like, it was really, like...
740
00:35:08,925 --> 00:35:11,158
can go right through you, you know?
741
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,894
You can tell when he's around
742
00:35:12,896 --> 00:35:16,229
because it's like total
10-degree drop instantly.
743
00:35:16,231 --> 00:35:17,932
NIKKI: With the arguing,
744
00:35:17,934 --> 00:35:20,033
I've actually seen
that between my parents.
745
00:35:20,035 --> 00:35:23,037
It's just so much
drama, so much argument,
746
00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:26,543
so much, just, chaos.
747
00:35:27,644 --> 00:35:29,910
We're not together.
748
00:35:29,912 --> 00:35:31,245
We're not solid.
749
00:35:31,247 --> 00:35:32,979
Okay.
750
00:35:32,981 --> 00:35:34,914
Well, what concerned me
751
00:35:34,916 --> 00:35:37,417
was the room with the pastel bedspread.
752
00:35:37,419 --> 00:35:38,952
STEVE: That's Nikki's room,
753
00:35:38,954 --> 00:35:41,856
but she's so terrified in
there, she sleeps with her mom.
754
00:35:41,858 --> 00:35:44,727
They're maybe feeling, like, movement.
755
00:35:46,229 --> 00:35:49,129
Hearing, like, mumbling,
756
00:35:49,131 --> 00:35:51,064
feeling pressure on the bed,
757
00:35:51,066 --> 00:35:52,899
like, when they're laying on the bed.
758
00:35:52,901 --> 00:35:56,671
AMY: He was grabbing my shoulder,
759
00:35:56,673 --> 00:36:00,307
and he was grabbing the back of my leg.
760
00:36:00,309 --> 00:36:03,343
And because he can be so physical,
761
00:36:03,345 --> 00:36:05,646
that's where it gets scary,
762
00:36:05,648 --> 00:36:08,785
because he does really hate women.
763
00:36:10,887 --> 00:36:13,053
STEVE: Deborah and Nikki both feel
764
00:36:13,055 --> 00:36:15,622
that whatever's in the
house is targeting women.
765
00:36:15,624 --> 00:36:18,193
NIKKI: Everything that
you said about the bedroom,
766
00:36:18,195 --> 00:36:20,560
I've experienced everything.
767
00:36:20,562 --> 00:36:22,363
The voices, the mumbling.
768
00:36:22,365 --> 00:36:24,231
I've felt the bed shake.
769
00:36:24,233 --> 00:36:26,867
Once, I got pushed back,
770
00:36:26,869 --> 00:36:29,937
and I felt like something
was on top of my chest.
771
00:36:29,939 --> 00:36:30,972
Like, I couldn't breathe.
772
00:36:30,974 --> 00:36:32,142
It felt like something was on my neck.
773
00:36:32,242 --> 00:36:33,508
STEVE: It also happened to Deborah.
774
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:35,042
She got attacked the same type of way.
775
00:36:35,044 --> 00:36:36,443
DEBORAH: I was sitting on the bed.
776
00:36:36,445 --> 00:36:37,912
My hands are just in my lap.
777
00:36:37,914 --> 00:36:39,280
And all of a sudden,
778
00:36:39,282 --> 00:36:41,582
they flew back and
hit the headboard hard.
779
00:36:41,584 --> 00:36:43,850
- Mm.
- And my throat just literally went up,
780
00:36:43,852 --> 00:36:45,120
and I'm being choked.
781
00:36:45,122 --> 00:36:48,823
They've been, um...
782
00:36:48,825 --> 00:36:51,225
touched inappropriately, both women.
783
00:36:51,227 --> 00:36:53,127
NIKKI: I was kind of sleeping.
784
00:36:53,129 --> 00:36:54,495
I was going in and out.
785
00:36:54,497 --> 00:36:55,363
And all of a sudden,
786
00:36:55,365 --> 00:36:57,298
I started feeling something touch me.
787
00:36:57,300 --> 00:36:59,834
And it was going from my neck,
and I felt it go lower, lower,
788
00:36:59,836 --> 00:37:01,570
then I was feeling it just caress me.
789
00:37:01,572 --> 00:37:03,071
Oh, my gosh.
790
00:37:03,073 --> 00:37:04,338
STEVE: But she's not the only
791
00:37:04,340 --> 00:37:05,906
one that's been touched that way.
792
00:37:05,908 --> 00:37:07,408
So has Deborah.
793
00:37:07,410 --> 00:37:10,081
He's done that, but he
got a little further.
794
00:37:13,983 --> 00:37:18,153
Why didn't you tell me about these?
795
00:37:18,155 --> 00:37:20,388
[Crying] How can I tell you
796
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:24,691
that I think I just almost
got raped by that dead guy?
797
00:37:24,693 --> 00:37:27,430
[Crying]
798
00:37:29,231 --> 00:37:33,536
I had a sketch done of what I saw.
799
00:37:38,476 --> 00:37:40,077
Geez!
800
00:37:47,015 --> 00:37:49,551
Can he really do this?
801
00:37:49,553 --> 00:37:50,684
Deborah, he has.
802
00:37:50,686 --> 00:37:52,986
[Sobs]
803
00:37:52,988 --> 00:37:55,091
Can he take her life?
804
00:38:12,175 --> 00:38:14,477
AMY: I did do a sketch.
805
00:38:20,885 --> 00:38:22,486
Geez!
806
00:38:34,930 --> 00:38:37,499
Can he really do this?
807
00:38:37,501 --> 00:38:38,633
Deborah, he has.
808
00:38:38,635 --> 00:38:39,970
[Sobs]
809
00:38:41,671 --> 00:38:43,607
Can he take her life?
810
00:38:45,209 --> 00:38:46,310
Yeah.
811
00:38:48,378 --> 00:38:53,316
He is insane, and he
wants to kill people.
812
00:39:00,423 --> 00:39:01,823
NIKKI: [Sniffles]
813
00:39:01,825 --> 00:39:03,925
It would scratch me everywhere...
814
00:39:03,927 --> 00:39:09,129
my chest, my back, my stomach, my legs.
815
00:39:09,131 --> 00:39:12,901
You can actually see the
scratch marks going all over.
816
00:39:12,903 --> 00:39:15,635
STEVE: And I got photos of them.
817
00:39:15,637 --> 00:39:17,807
Wow.
818
00:39:19,776 --> 00:39:23,678
I've always felt he wanted her.
819
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,318
He can do anything,
but I can't stop him.
820
00:39:31,153 --> 00:39:33,153
Well, guys, I know
tonight was a rough night,
821
00:39:33,155 --> 00:39:34,423
but I don't think any of us
822
00:39:34,425 --> 00:39:36,156
thought it was gonna be an easy one.
823
00:39:36,158 --> 00:39:37,658
No.
824
00:39:37,660 --> 00:39:40,028
Now we need to answer
your big question...
825
00:39:40,030 --> 00:39:42,296
how to keep the women of the house safe.
826
00:39:42,298 --> 00:39:44,332
For that answer, I'm
gonna turn it over to Amy.
827
00:39:44,334 --> 00:39:49,504
What I would like to see happen
is for a medium to come out
828
00:39:49,506 --> 00:39:55,075
and for you to receive a
reading with this medium
829
00:39:55,077 --> 00:39:57,914
to talk to your father.
830
00:39:59,782 --> 00:40:01,582
- Are you okay with that?
- Yeah.
831
00:40:01,584 --> 00:40:02,950
- Yeah?
- Yeah.
832
00:40:02,952 --> 00:40:06,455
Okay. He'll have a lot
of good advice for you.
833
00:40:06,457 --> 00:40:08,689
I think it'll be a
really good experience
834
00:40:08,691 --> 00:40:10,559
for both of you guys.
835
00:40:10,561 --> 00:40:14,095
And that should help him to move on.
836
00:40:14,097 --> 00:40:18,966
Then, the next day, two
mediums need to come back,
837
00:40:18,968 --> 00:40:22,104
a male medium and a female medium.
838
00:40:22,106 --> 00:40:25,673
The female medium needs
to be really feminine.
839
00:40:25,675 --> 00:40:29,077
The male medium needs
to be pretty tough.
840
00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:31,113
Both of the mediums
841
00:40:31,115 --> 00:40:35,249
will engage with the guy in your bedroom
842
00:40:35,251 --> 00:40:39,955
and forcefully remove
him from the location.
843
00:40:39,957 --> 00:40:42,089
And his dead girlfriend will go with him
844
00:40:42,091 --> 00:40:43,624
because of their situation.
845
00:40:43,626 --> 00:40:47,928
So let me ask you a question.
Why a feminine woman?
846
00:40:47,930 --> 00:40:53,267
Because a feminine
woman would be, to him,
847
00:40:53,269 --> 00:40:56,303
someone that he could
dominate and possess
848
00:40:56,305 --> 00:40:58,405
because he views women as weak.
849
00:40:58,407 --> 00:41:01,309
Well, this has got to be good news.
850
00:41:01,311 --> 00:41:03,144
You told me you thought it was
a frigging demon in the house.
851
00:41:03,146 --> 00:41:04,479
Yeah, I'm glad it's not.
852
00:41:04,481 --> 00:41:07,117
Well, it's the next thing to a demon.
853
00:41:10,954 --> 00:41:13,687
I'm hoping that, once
all of this is out,
854
00:41:13,689 --> 00:41:16,957
that the family can come
back to where it was.
855
00:41:16,959 --> 00:41:20,294
Because it wasn't always a strain.
856
00:41:20,296 --> 00:41:23,164
It wasn't always chaos.
It wasn't always hateful.
857
00:41:23,166 --> 00:41:26,934
Are you gonna do what
Amy suggests you guys do?
858
00:41:26,936 --> 00:41:28,870
Yeah.
859
00:41:28,872 --> 00:41:30,174
Can't wait to start.
860
00:41:34,077 --> 00:41:36,278
AMY: If the family follows my advice,
861
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,713
Deborah's dad will finally be free,
862
00:41:38,715 --> 00:41:41,682
and the evil man tormenting
the women of the house
863
00:41:41,684 --> 00:41:43,151
will be kicked out for good.
864
00:41:43,153 --> 00:41:44,785
Then this family will find
865
00:41:44,787 --> 00:41:46,356
the peace it's been searching for.
866
00:41:46,406 --> 00:41:50,956
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