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It's awful, awful in here.
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This wolf-looking guy -- He went
"Raah!" right in my face.
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I felt real fear.
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In front of two witnesses,
he stabs him to death.
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"I'm dying.
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I'm dying."
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I know what I see.
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Something's wrong.
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And I know what I hear.
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He wants them to go.
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He wants revenge.
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It's really bad in here.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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Something is not right.
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I see dead people.
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This person might have been
a serial killer.
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I speak to dead people.
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You get those chills.
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And they speak to me.
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He is darkness.
He is evil.
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But there's only one way to know
if my findings are real.
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I think she broke her neck.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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You telling me the truth?
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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I think the devil
is down here.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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Who the hell
would do this?
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...until the very end.
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Who's he looking to kill?
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We uncover if it's safe
for you to stay...
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You need to get out of here
right now.
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Or time to get out.
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It was like endless darkness.
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I always head to our
locations before Amy arrives.
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I dig up facts
about the property's dark past
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while Amy speaks to the dead.
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I'm in Potsdam, New York.
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It's about 30 minutes south
of the Canadian border.
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We got called in
by a woman named Donna.
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Like me, she's a retired
homicide detective.
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She actually sounded embarrassed
needing our help,
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but as a cop, I understand that.
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Bottom line --
She and her family
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are being terrorized by spirits
in the house.
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And all her experience
can't help her solve this case.
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Before Amy arrives,
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I clear the area
of any leading information.
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This home
has a lot of family photos
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that need to be covered
or removed.
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When I'm finished,
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the location will be ready
for tonight's walk.
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I saw these men who were walking
like monkeys, like gorillas.
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It just looks like
their, you know, skin
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has been painted on black,
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and they're barking
and growling.
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One was saying that
they get used up or something,
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and then they fall
into little dust.
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He was a living person.
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I don't know about the others.
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They are protecting
certain things from being known.
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Now, Donna, you sounded
pretty upset on the phone.
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And you're a former
homicide detective like myself.
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I know it had to be tough
for you to even call us.
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I've tried everything
I can do.
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We've been terrorized here
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with the things
that have been happening here.
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Okay. So why don't you
tell me what's going on?
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Well,
our son has seen things,
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I've been woken up
and seen things,
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and my skeptical husband
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has even seen things
and been touched.
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And how old is your son?
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He's 17.
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Latest apparition he saw,
he ran into my room screaming,
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and that's why
I wrote you guys a letter.
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I need a solution
'cause it's got to stop.
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- You were a detective down
in south Florida, right? - Yes.
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What brought you here?
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I was born and raised up here,
and I left for 32 years.
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And my son,
at the time, was 10.
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And living in south Florida
with a child,
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I wanted to bring him back
to a peaceful place.
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You don't have to worry
about the criminal element here.
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Right.
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But you have to worry
about some other element now.
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Yeah.
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I'm pissed off,
and the fight's on.
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There's this living woman.
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And she's saying that this home
is not working for her.
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She hates it,
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and she feels like this house
is, like, closing in on her.
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She's probably an empath.
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Why do you say that?
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Her emotions --
She pushes them out of her.
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There's a lot of anger
in this room from her.
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Something's wrong.
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So, Donna,
why'd you bring me in here?
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We've had
a lot of bad luck.
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A lot of freaky things with
the appliances breaking down.
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They're all new appliances.
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And we've been hit by lightning
here
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not once, but twice
in seven years.
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The odds on that
got to be astronomical.
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It's like a magnet
or something.
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We had a chimney fire
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that caught the whole front yard
on fire.
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That's crazy.
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Anything else going on?
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I sit over there,
watching TV,
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and I see this blob
of a black shadow,
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and I look to make sure
I'm not seeing things,
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and it just moves so fast.
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I've seen that
about five times recently.
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When it moves,
it's pretty massive.
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And you're sure it's not
something from outside coming in
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to make you see this?
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I'm positive,
'cause my dog has --
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When he sees it,
he starts growling and barking.
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And you get up to investigate,
and it's gone.
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It's gone.
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This is a very bad area.
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Things happen here
to the living people
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with these things.
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And this family --
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I think they think it's
shadow people, but it's not.
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The painted creatures who were
acting like monkeys outside
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are now projecting themselves as
shadow people inside the house.
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Whoever's in control
of these things
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wants them
to torment the living.
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They, like --
They'll see them like that,
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but then
they'll see them get up.
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There's, like, this panic.
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Like, I hear a woman screaming
and running out of here.
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So,
what's going on up here?
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This is the worst of it.
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I get woke up a lot
in the middle of the night.
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Give me a for-instance.
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Well, the other night,
I was sleeping,
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and, all of a sudden,
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right in my face
was this wolf-looking guy,
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and he went "Raah!"
right in my face.
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- You're not on medication
or anything, right? - No.
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If you were back on the job,
talking to people,
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and somebody told you
this story...
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- I would think they're crazy.
- Right.
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Which my husband probably
does think I'm crazy for.
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And then another time,
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I woke up about 3:00
in the morning for no reason.
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I see this huge, big guy
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standing on the side of the bed,
looking at me.
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He was about
at least over 6 feet tall.
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He didn't look like
he was happy.
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He was kind of menacing.
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I saw an older man
who was hiding things.
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He's very condescending.
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He has an elitist attitude
about everything.
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He's very scary.
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Is there any connection between
him and the painted people?
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He put them to work
for him.
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He painted them all black
and creepy-looking,
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and he makes them
show themselves to people
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and scare them.
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And he does
take their energy.
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When they're all used up,
they become like dust.
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And what happens, then,
when they turn into dust?
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They cease to be.
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Now, is there anything else
you've seen up here?
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Yeah, one night, I was up here
with a few friends,
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and I felt something
behind me.
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And I look,
and I see this arm.
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It had a black sleeve,
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the skinny old-lady fingers
with nails.
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So, you just saw the arm,
not the --
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Just saw the arm.
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Where was it coming from?
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It was coming
from behind me.
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Okay, so, it was as if somebody
was behind you going like this?
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Yeah, trying to get my attention
or, like, cutting me off.
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Did you see the lady?
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No.
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Do you think there's evil
in this house?
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I don't think
it's on the good side.
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It wants us out of here.
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Okay.
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I think that this guy
has a little bit of a problem
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with the people in this room
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because they know about him.
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He hates it.
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So he wants them to go.
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This is...
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This is not good, all right?
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I don't like it.
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Okay, just a sec.
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Are you okay?
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I felt really, really scared.
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It's, like, real fear.
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Andrew,
I was talking to mom,
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and she told me about the things
that are going on in the house,
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and she told me
you're having a tough time here.
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Yeah. I've experienced
some things here.
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In seventh grade,
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I saw a shadow figure
dart across my front lawn.
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Describe what you saw.
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I saw, like,
a black-figured human being.
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Okay.
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Had you ever seen this thing
again?
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Yeah, recently, actually.
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I was coming home
from football,
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and I came in the driveway,
and I saw it.
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Really?
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It kind of, like,
lifted its head up and ran.
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Okay. So, now,
what about the house?
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What have you experienced
in the house?
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I was sleeping on this bed,
and I woke up,
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and I saw a man dressed in an
army uniform standing over me.
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- And he was just
staring at you? - Yeah.
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Now, how long did this thing
last in front of you?
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About two seconds,
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and then I thought it was
a human being standing there,
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so I kicked him in the face.
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My foot went through his face,
and he disappeared.
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That was it?
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I ran out in the hallway,
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and I kind of, like,
hyperventilated a little bit.
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I don't like being here
alone.
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All right, so, what do you
think's going on here?
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Something doesn't want us here,
or I don't know.
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Okay.
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This older man I saw --
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He is pissed,
because when he died,
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he kind of lost control
over everything.
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He talks too **** fast.
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This angry man is following me
around the house,
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bragging about the power
he holds over the dead here.
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And he calls me a dimwit.
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He's like, "Keep up."
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Okay.
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He says
that most of these people
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were men when he met them.
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I mean, they were dead men,
but they were men.
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And he made them
what they are now.
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He says, because he is superior
in every way,
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that's why he's able
to dominate them.
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When he was alive,
I think he was haunted by them,
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and he flipped
that whole **** around.
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I was talking
to your wife.
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She said
that you really don't
254
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believe in any of the stuff
that's going on here.
255
00:13:07,945 --> 00:13:10,846
50/50.
I'm kind of a skeptic.
256
00:13:10,881 --> 00:13:11,811
Okay.
257
00:13:11,846 --> 00:13:13,312
I don't think
they're lying,
258
00:13:13,347 --> 00:13:14,948
but I'm not seeing
what they're seeing,
259
00:13:14,983 --> 00:13:16,514
and I don't know
what to do about it.
260
00:13:16,549 --> 00:13:18,951
Okay. So you think
there's something going on.
261
00:13:18,986 --> 00:13:20,785
You just haven't
experienced anything.
262
00:13:22,552 --> 00:13:27,622
Up in the room up there,
there's a cord with a tag on it.
263
00:13:27,657 --> 00:13:29,721
One night,
I went up there to go lay down,
264
00:13:29,756 --> 00:13:32,691
and before I went to lay down,
it flapped rapidly.
265
00:13:32,726 --> 00:13:35,592
- Kind of like a finger flapping it
back and forth? - Yeah.
266
00:13:35,627 --> 00:13:37,393
Like that.
267
00:13:37,428 --> 00:13:39,496
So was any wind or any windows
open or anything like that?
268
00:13:39,531 --> 00:13:40,995
No.
That's the whole thing.
269
00:13:41,030 --> 00:13:44,600
All the windows were closed.
All the doors were closed.
270
00:13:44,635 --> 00:13:45,798
Okay.
271
00:13:45,833 --> 00:13:47,868
And I thought to myself,
"Well, Donna might be right."
272
00:13:47,903 --> 00:13:50,902
And before I went to sleep,
I said, "**** you,"
273
00:13:50,903 --> 00:13:52,370
'cause I was aggravated.
274
00:13:52,405 --> 00:13:53,435
Okay.
275
00:13:53,470 --> 00:13:55,604
I had one other instance.
276
00:13:55,639 --> 00:13:58,541
I was laying on the sofa,
trying to take a nap,
277
00:13:58,576 --> 00:14:02,642
and I felt a vivid touch
on my face,
278
00:14:02,643 --> 00:14:05,028
and it felt like this...
279
00:14:05,063 --> 00:14:07,413
Okay.
Like a finger?
280
00:14:07,448 --> 00:14:08,378
Yes.
281
00:14:08,413 --> 00:14:10,631
And I opened my eye,
and it was nothing.
282
00:14:10,666 --> 00:14:12,849
And I remember feeling
some kind of a --
283
00:14:12,884 --> 00:14:14,517
I don't know -- a presence.
284
00:14:14,518 --> 00:14:18,286
Whatever was there that caused
that, I couldn't explain.
285
00:14:18,321 --> 00:14:20,121
Okay.
286
00:14:22,522 --> 00:14:29,826
I feel a lot of pain,
but it's not really --
287
00:14:29,827 --> 00:14:32,628
No, pain isn't the right word.
288
00:14:32,663 --> 00:14:34,528
It's pressure.
289
00:14:34,529 --> 00:14:36,764
I feel a lot of pressure.
290
00:14:37,832 --> 00:14:40,331
Somebody pushing.
291
00:14:40,366 --> 00:14:44,703
It kind of --
Now it's starting to hurt.
292
00:14:47,504 --> 00:14:53,674
I want to say this is the leader
and his little posse.
293
00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:08,117
But he'll push on people, like,
squish them or shove them.
294
00:15:11,418 --> 00:15:13,485
He doesn't like living people.
295
00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,872
They violated him...
296
00:15:17,907 --> 00:15:22,225
and he wants revenge.
297
00:15:39,501 --> 00:15:42,337
The first thing I usually do
in these investigations
298
00:15:42,372 --> 00:15:44,839
is try to find out
who lived on the property.
299
00:15:44,874 --> 00:15:47,438
Turns out
one of the former owners
300
00:15:47,473 --> 00:15:50,041
actually passed away
of a heart attack in the house.
301
00:15:50,076 --> 00:15:52,426
I'm on my way
to meet with his daughter,
302
00:15:52,461 --> 00:15:54,777
who's still upset
by the way he died.
303
00:15:59,314 --> 00:16:02,115
Betsy, when was the last time
you were in this house?
304
00:16:02,150 --> 00:16:03,114
20 years ago.
305
00:16:03,149 --> 00:16:04,950
Okay.
How long did you live here?
306
00:16:04,985 --> 00:16:07,435
From 1978 until 1983.
307
00:16:07,470 --> 00:16:09,851
During your time here,
308
00:16:09,886 --> 00:16:11,820
did you ever experience anything
you couldn't explain?
309
00:16:11,821 --> 00:16:13,121
Not a thing.
310
00:16:13,156 --> 00:16:16,157
I can't recall anything
ever strange happening here.
311
00:16:16,158 --> 00:16:17,657
Your father died here,
312
00:16:17,692 --> 00:16:18,957
and what'd your father do
for a living?
313
00:16:18,992 --> 00:16:22,794
He had been in the service,
you know, in the Korean War.
314
00:16:22,829 --> 00:16:25,828
I brought a picture
to show in his uniform.
315
00:16:25,863 --> 00:16:30,565
Then he was an insurance man
for a great many years,
316
00:16:30,566 --> 00:16:35,102
and before he passed, he was a
manager at an auto-parts store.
317
00:16:35,137 --> 00:16:37,235
Okay.
318
00:16:37,270 --> 00:16:40,639
So, what kind of a guy
was your dad?
319
00:16:40,674 --> 00:16:41,771
He was a tough guy.
320
00:16:41,806 --> 00:16:44,373
It was either his way
or the highway.
321
00:16:44,374 --> 00:16:46,559
Didn't show
a whole lot of emotion.
322
00:16:46,594 --> 00:16:48,709
He was basically
a very strict dad.
323
00:16:48,744 --> 00:16:50,177
What kind of a relationship
did you have with him?
324
00:16:50,212 --> 00:16:51,810
I was always cautious.
325
00:16:51,845 --> 00:16:54,512
He would get heated
pretty quickly.
326
00:16:54,547 --> 00:16:56,948
Makes you be on eggshells.
I was, like, on eggshells a lot.
327
00:17:02,118 --> 00:17:05,251
I see that older man in here.
328
00:17:05,286 --> 00:17:08,171
He doesn't like it
when people know about him.
329
00:17:08,206 --> 00:17:11,056
It freaks him out.
It disturbs him. He hates it.
330
00:17:11,091 --> 00:17:13,858
When he was alive,
331
00:17:13,859 --> 00:17:17,193
he had control
over everything, every aspect,
332
00:17:17,228 --> 00:17:20,028
and then he died
and, like, "****
333
00:17:20,063 --> 00:17:21,029
He's dead."
334
00:17:21,030 --> 00:17:23,363
I think it was unexpected death.
335
00:17:23,398 --> 00:17:28,501
He didn't have any control,
and he got really mad.
336
00:17:28,536 --> 00:17:31,070
What the **** is that about?
337
00:17:32,970 --> 00:17:35,639
What kind of relationship
did your mom and dad have?
338
00:17:36,940 --> 00:17:38,773
Well, they were together
a very long time.
339
00:17:38,808 --> 00:17:40,308
They were
high-school sweethearts.
340
00:17:40,343 --> 00:17:41,741
Okay.
341
00:17:41,776 --> 00:17:43,308
But I think, you know,
before he passed,
342
00:17:43,343 --> 00:17:45,244
it was probably a low point
of their relationship.
343
00:17:45,279 --> 00:17:46,611
She wasn't home.
344
00:17:46,646 --> 00:17:48,813
She wasn't here
when he had passed.
345
00:17:48,848 --> 00:17:49,945
She was in Florida.
346
00:17:49,980 --> 00:17:51,714
I don't think
that he was happy
347
00:17:51,715 --> 00:17:53,748
about her going away
on vacation.
348
00:17:53,783 --> 00:17:56,316
And before she went away,
he said, you know,
349
00:17:56,351 --> 00:17:58,586
"I'm not gonna be around
that much longer, anyways.
350
00:17:58,621 --> 00:18:00,554
I'm not gonna be living
that long."
351
00:18:01,587 --> 00:18:02,954
Just like that?
352
00:18:02,989 --> 00:18:04,321
Just like that.
353
00:18:04,322 --> 00:18:07,724
Three days later, when she was
gone in Florida, he died.
354
00:18:07,759 --> 00:18:09,524
She felt horrible.
355
00:18:09,559 --> 00:18:12,294
It was so tragic
and such a shock.
356
00:18:12,329 --> 00:18:15,029
Now, where did he die
in the house?
357
00:18:15,064 --> 00:18:16,261
He died in the garage.
358
00:18:16,296 --> 00:18:18,264
Okay.
Would you mind showing me?
359
00:18:22,334 --> 00:18:25,118
Does it bother you
being in here?
360
00:18:25,153 --> 00:18:27,867
It's very strange
being in here.
361
00:18:27,902 --> 00:18:29,837
This is where
he took his last breath.
362
00:18:29,838 --> 00:18:31,371
It was very hard
to come in here
363
00:18:31,406 --> 00:18:33,273
and know that
this is where it happened.
364
00:18:33,308 --> 00:18:34,572
Right.
365
00:18:34,607 --> 00:18:37,009
And what year did he die?
366
00:18:37,044 --> 00:18:39,042
He died in 1992.
367
00:18:39,077 --> 00:18:40,377
Now,
was there any indication
368
00:18:40,378 --> 00:18:42,346
that he had a heart problem
or a heart condition?
369
00:18:42,381 --> 00:18:44,713
There was no signs.
There was nothing.
370
00:18:44,714 --> 00:18:47,116
Who was the first family member
to come home?
371
00:18:47,151 --> 00:18:48,147
I was.
372
00:18:48,148 --> 00:18:48,732
You were?
373
00:18:49,317 --> 00:18:51,048
What did you see?
374
00:18:51,083 --> 00:18:55,952
Well, I found over in this area
a small round circle of blood
375
00:18:55,953 --> 00:18:58,122
where he had hit his head.
376
00:18:59,523 --> 00:19:00,922
Did you clean it?
377
00:19:00,957 --> 00:19:03,892
It's the first thing I did
after I pulled myself together.
378
00:19:03,927 --> 00:19:05,191
It was important to me.
379
00:19:05,226 --> 00:19:06,760
That's all I could focus on
was to go into the house
380
00:19:06,795 --> 00:19:08,194
and to clean it up
381
00:19:08,195 --> 00:19:10,396
'cause I didn't want my mom
to see that when she got home.
382
00:19:10,431 --> 00:19:14,165
He died alone,
and that's just really tragic.
383
00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,097
That's how my mom died, too,
384
00:19:16,132 --> 00:19:19,318
and it bothered me
thinking about her dying alone.
385
00:19:19,353 --> 00:19:22,504
When I came out here
and I found the spot of blood,
386
00:19:22,539 --> 00:19:26,172
it just was --
It hit me full force.
387
00:19:26,207 --> 00:19:27,040
Right.
388
00:19:27,075 --> 00:19:27,874
He's gone.
389
00:19:30,808 --> 00:19:33,243
Do you know how he died?
390
00:19:33,244 --> 00:19:36,210
Some kind of, like,
aneurysm, sudden heart a--
391
00:19:36,245 --> 00:19:38,445
you know,
sudden death, whatever.
392
00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,881
You know, it was something
completely unexpected.
393
00:19:41,916 --> 00:19:44,049
Do you know
when he was alive?
394
00:19:44,084 --> 00:19:46,284
'80s, '90s.
395
00:19:54,155 --> 00:20:01,161
I feel a pain -- back and
my neck -- pretty **** bad.
396
00:20:01,385 --> 00:20:04,522
I feel anger and stress.
397
00:20:06,089 --> 00:20:07,588
****
398
00:20:07,623 --> 00:20:14,093
When I'm hearing his thoughts,
I'm thinking I'm dying.
399
00:20:14,128 --> 00:20:15,828
"I'm dying. I'm dying."
400
00:20:22,265 --> 00:20:24,131
If you need us
to investigate
401
00:20:24,166 --> 00:20:26,266
unexplained activity
in your home,
402
00:20:26,301 --> 00:20:28,501
go to "The Dead Files" page
at travelchannel.com.
403
00:20:28,536 --> 00:20:29,968
Click on
"Help me, Dead Files!"
404
00:20:30,003 --> 00:20:31,509
to submit your story,
and we'll help if we can.
405
00:20:31,510 --> 00:20:33,077
I need to find out
406
00:20:33,112 --> 00:20:35,747
what else might have happened
on my client's property,
407
00:20:35,782 --> 00:20:37,780
so I hit the books
at the local library.
408
00:20:37,815 --> 00:20:41,983
Digging through old deeds, I
find a man named Frank Bancroft
409
00:20:42,018 --> 00:20:44,083
originally owned Donna's land.
410
00:20:44,118 --> 00:20:46,519
Turns out he was hit and killed
by a car
411
00:20:46,554 --> 00:20:47,988
while walking back home.
412
00:20:52,323 --> 00:20:54,357
Now that I know
a former owner of Donna's land
413
00:20:54,392 --> 00:20:55,424
died in an accident,
414
00:20:55,459 --> 00:20:57,257
I reached out
to a local genealogist.
415
00:20:57,292 --> 00:21:00,061
He tells me that that tragedy
was only the beginning
416
00:21:00,096 --> 00:21:02,830
of the Bancroft family's
problems on that property.
417
00:21:09,233 --> 00:21:11,102
So, Dennis,
I came across this article
418
00:21:11,137 --> 00:21:13,601
about this guy,
Frank Bancroft.
419
00:21:13,636 --> 00:21:16,803
So, I was wondering, what do you
know about what happened to him?
420
00:21:16,804 --> 00:21:18,237
He was intoxicated,
421
00:21:18,272 --> 00:21:20,374
and he was
wandering down the road,
422
00:21:20,409 --> 00:21:21,705
and he was struck by a car.
423
00:21:21,740 --> 00:21:24,308
He died as a result
of a skull fracture
424
00:21:24,343 --> 00:21:25,742
and some hemorrhaging,
425
00:21:25,777 --> 00:21:27,945
of which
we have some information,
426
00:21:27,980 --> 00:21:30,113
including
his death certificate.
427
00:21:31,613 --> 00:21:34,414
This happens in 1937.
428
00:21:34,449 --> 00:21:35,414
Yes.
429
00:21:35,449 --> 00:21:37,300
This was actually
the second time
430
00:21:37,335 --> 00:21:39,152
he was hit by a car
within two weeks.
431
00:21:39,187 --> 00:21:40,384
Okay.
432
00:21:40,419 --> 00:21:43,521
But he really didn't sustain
any injury that first time.
433
00:21:43,556 --> 00:21:44,786
Well, what's the matter
with this guy?
434
00:21:44,821 --> 00:21:47,956
He's walking down the street
and keeps getting hit by cars?
435
00:21:47,991 --> 00:21:51,092
I think a lot of it has to do
with the passing of his wife.
436
00:21:51,093 --> 00:21:54,094
In 1934, his wife passed
with pneumonia.
437
00:21:54,129 --> 00:21:56,594
He just really
never got over it.
438
00:21:56,629 --> 00:21:59,862
He got sort of despondent
and began drinking.
439
00:21:59,863 --> 00:22:01,931
You weren't kidding
about bad luck with this guy.
440
00:22:01,966 --> 00:22:02,897
Yes.
441
00:22:02,932 --> 00:22:04,998
Later on, in 1932,
442
00:22:05,033 --> 00:22:07,034
his horse barn
was hit by lightning
443
00:22:07,069 --> 00:22:08,268
and destroyed.
444
00:22:08,269 --> 00:22:12,005
Then, in 1935,
his house burned to the ground,
445
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,805
and he barely made it out
alive.
446
00:22:14,806 --> 00:22:18,008
So, now, once Frank dies,
what happens to the property?
447
00:22:18,043 --> 00:22:20,810
The property goes
to his only daughter, Hazel,
448
00:22:20,845 --> 00:22:23,578
which we have a picture of her
when she was 12.
449
00:22:23,613 --> 00:22:25,746
What did she do
with the property?
450
00:22:25,781 --> 00:22:27,046
Do you have any idea?
451
00:22:27,047 --> 00:22:30,448
In 1946, she had a boarder
named Frank Reninger
452
00:22:30,483 --> 00:22:32,015
that was living there,
453
00:22:32,050 --> 00:22:34,485
and one day,
he started beating on her,
454
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:35,984
and he almost killed her.
455
00:22:36,019 --> 00:22:39,004
She finally escaped
by going down through the cellar
456
00:22:39,039 --> 00:22:41,989
and out the side door
to the neighbor's to get help.
457
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:45,791
Now, is there any reason why
she got beat up by this guy?
458
00:22:45,826 --> 00:22:47,626
I don't know
if anybody really knows.
459
00:22:47,661 --> 00:22:48,992
Like, he snapped.
460
00:22:49,027 --> 00:22:51,662
I would say that probably
would be what happened to him.
461
00:22:57,199 --> 00:22:59,800
It's awful, awful...
462
00:22:59,835 --> 00:23:02,402
awful, awful in here.
463
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:09,504
A lot of emotions in here --
desperate.
464
00:23:09,539 --> 00:23:15,209
I heard screaming, too,
like, a female screaming.
465
00:23:17,478 --> 00:23:20,779
I do see a woman,
and she's from a bit ago --
466
00:23:20,814 --> 00:23:23,915
100 years ago, 125 years.
467
00:23:23,950 --> 00:23:27,017
And she sits and cries.
468
00:23:28,618 --> 00:23:31,785
She's in a nightdress,
she's got a nightcap on,
469
00:23:31,786 --> 00:23:35,886
and she's just weeping
and weeping and weeping.
470
00:23:35,921 --> 00:23:40,292
While she was gone, this Frank
set fire to her house,
471
00:23:40,327 --> 00:23:42,526
and it destroyed the house.
472
00:23:42,527 --> 00:23:44,761
We have
a little bit of information
473
00:23:44,796 --> 00:23:47,562
on that particular fire.
474
00:23:48,662 --> 00:23:50,947
I tell you, Dennis,
this is pretty wild stuff
475
00:23:50,982 --> 00:23:53,232
because two houses
burned on their property
476
00:23:53,267 --> 00:23:54,999
before my clients
even got there.
477
00:23:55,034 --> 00:23:57,301
Their house was hit by lightning
twice in the last seven years.
478
00:23:57,336 --> 00:24:00,169
Plus,
their chimney caught fire.
479
00:24:00,204 --> 00:24:02,338
So you got two lightning strikes
in the last seven years
480
00:24:02,373 --> 00:24:04,472
and two houses that burned down
on the property before that.
481
00:24:04,507 --> 00:24:06,006
Actually, four houses.
482
00:24:06,041 --> 00:24:07,206
Four houses?
483
00:24:07,241 --> 00:24:10,492
One in 1901
and the other in 1911.
484
00:24:10,527 --> 00:24:13,744
So, four times
houses burned down.
485
00:24:13,779 --> 00:24:14,879
Yes.
486
00:24:18,747 --> 00:24:20,014
During my research,
487
00:24:20,049 --> 00:24:22,114
I also uncovered a murder
that took place
488
00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:24,884
just a short distance away
from Donna's house.
489
00:24:24,919 --> 00:24:27,620
I'm on my way
to meet with a local historian,
490
00:24:27,655 --> 00:24:29,987
who tells me
the crime was so brutal,
491
00:24:29,988 --> 00:24:31,422
it had the whole town
in a frenzy.
492
00:24:39,127 --> 00:24:41,794
So, now, this murder I came
across during my research --
493
00:24:41,795 --> 00:24:43,029
It looked like
it was pretty prominent.
494
00:24:43,064 --> 00:24:44,094
Yes.
495
00:24:44,129 --> 00:24:47,730
The Donavan/Rowley case,
which was in 1852.
496
00:24:47,765 --> 00:24:51,001
John Donavan and James Rowley
spend the evening drinking.
497
00:24:51,036 --> 00:24:53,369
They start arguing
and get into a fight.
498
00:24:54,636 --> 00:24:57,134
Friends kind of
calm them down,
499
00:24:57,135 --> 00:25:00,386
make them shake hands
to be friendly,
500
00:25:00,421 --> 00:25:03,637
and they depart
each other's company.
501
00:25:03,638 --> 00:25:06,307
Donavan goes back in a bar
and starts drinking again.
502
00:25:06,342 --> 00:25:08,408
A friend of Donavan's
starts telling him
503
00:25:08,443 --> 00:25:10,242
how he should not
have apologized.
504
00:25:10,277 --> 00:25:11,943
Okay, so, this guy
is instigating Donavan?
505
00:25:11,978 --> 00:25:12,910
Yes.
506
00:25:12,945 --> 00:25:14,744
And as Donavan drinks more,
507
00:25:14,779 --> 00:25:17,312
he gets more worked up
about Rowley,
508
00:25:17,347 --> 00:25:20,449
so he actually leaves the bar
with his knife
509
00:25:20,484 --> 00:25:23,049
and goes
and hunts James Rowley down
510
00:25:23,084 --> 00:25:25,385
and, in front of two witnesses,
stabs him to death
511
00:25:25,420 --> 00:25:27,752
and kind of
disembowels him.
512
00:25:27,753 --> 00:25:28,718
Okay.
513
00:25:28,753 --> 00:25:30,721
He's apprehended
that night,
514
00:25:30,756 --> 00:25:33,124
and, the next day,
finds out what he did.
515
00:25:33,159 --> 00:25:35,457
He has no recollection
of the murder,
516
00:25:35,492 --> 00:25:39,060
so he showed a lot of remorse
after this in a trial
517
00:25:39,095 --> 00:25:42,060
but was convicted
of first-degree murder.
518
00:25:42,061 --> 00:25:43,630
All right, so, what winds up
happening that night?
519
00:25:43,665 --> 00:25:46,130
He was hung
just outside the jail.
520
00:25:46,165 --> 00:25:49,032
Between 1,200 and 1,500 people
attended the hanging.
521
00:25:53,436 --> 00:25:57,837
Someone's talking
about the murders,
522
00:25:57,872 --> 00:26:04,242
and I'm seeing someone
getting stabbed to death.
523
00:26:07,177 --> 00:26:11,547
There's someone wearing
a white button-down shirt,
524
00:26:11,582 --> 00:26:12,679
a male,
525
00:26:12,714 --> 00:26:14,348
and he's getting
stabbed to death.
526
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:18,916
Where is he being stabbed?
527
00:26:18,917 --> 00:26:21,253
In his abdomen and chest.
528
00:26:29,690 --> 00:26:31,724
During my walk,
I saw an angry man
529
00:26:31,759 --> 00:26:34,760
who was in control of
the painted people in the house.
530
00:26:34,795 --> 00:26:37,462
I'm meeting with a sketch artist
to draw him.
531
00:26:38,963 --> 00:26:42,732
He's between 55 and 65.
532
00:26:42,767 --> 00:26:44,631
He is balding.
533
00:26:44,666 --> 00:26:48,467
He has deep-set eyes.
534
00:26:48,468 --> 00:26:50,368
Next, I described a scene
535
00:26:50,403 --> 00:26:53,204
where the painted people
were tormenting the living.
536
00:26:53,205 --> 00:26:57,274
There's a thing.
He's been painted black.
537
00:26:58,675 --> 00:27:01,175
He's using his hands.
538
00:27:01,176 --> 00:27:03,610
And he was reaching out
for her.
539
00:27:03,645 --> 00:27:07,747
It was just
a very freaky kind of scene.
540
00:27:12,983 --> 00:27:15,118
Is this what you saw?
541
00:27:16,352 --> 00:27:17,953
Yes.
542
00:27:41,501 --> 00:27:44,502
Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
543
00:27:44,537 --> 00:27:46,335
we're ready
to reveal our findings
544
00:27:46,370 --> 00:27:49,472
to each other and our clients
for the first time.
545
00:27:49,507 --> 00:27:51,605
Amy,
I'd like you to meet Donna.
546
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,558
Now, Donna is a retired
homicide detective like myself,
547
00:27:54,593 --> 00:27:57,477
so when she called us in,
I knew things had to be serious,
548
00:27:57,512 --> 00:27:58,762
and, actually, they are.
549
00:27:58,797 --> 00:27:59,977
She's being terrorized
550
00:28:00,012 --> 00:28:01,779
by the things
that are going on in this house.
551
00:28:01,814 --> 00:28:03,279
This is her husband, Millard.
552
00:28:03,314 --> 00:28:06,516
He's had a few experiences,
but he remains a skeptic.
553
00:28:06,551 --> 00:28:09,718
One thing they both agree on
is they're fighting mad.
554
00:28:09,753 --> 00:28:11,685
They're not gonna let
whatever's here
555
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,018
drive them out of their house.
556
00:28:13,053 --> 00:28:14,904
With that,
I'm gonna turn it over to Amy
557
00:28:14,939 --> 00:28:16,755
and have her tell us
about her walk.
558
00:28:18,858 --> 00:28:21,426
So I was out
in the front yard,
559
00:28:21,461 --> 00:28:23,959
and I overhear two women
gossiping.
560
00:28:23,994 --> 00:28:26,328
One woman is saying,
"My," you know,
561
00:28:26,363 --> 00:28:28,328
"Did you hear
about the murders?"
562
00:28:28,363 --> 00:28:32,098
One of the victims that I saw
was a male,
563
00:28:32,133 --> 00:28:35,834
and someone
was stabbing him to death
564
00:28:35,869 --> 00:28:40,501
in the abdomen/chest area.
565
00:28:40,536 --> 00:28:43,205
Now I didn't think
this would have came into play,
566
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,874
but there was a homicide
that took place in 1852...
567
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:47,305
...on your property.
- Okay.
568
00:28:47,340 --> 00:28:49,441
Two guys got into a fight
in a bar.
569
00:28:49,476 --> 00:28:51,275
People that see it break it up,
570
00:28:51,310 --> 00:28:53,678
and they make them shake hands
and quiet down.
571
00:28:53,713 --> 00:28:55,043
One guy's name
was John Donavan.
572
00:28:55,078 --> 00:28:56,713
The other guy's name
was James Rowley.
573
00:28:56,748 --> 00:28:58,679
Rowley leaves the bar,
574
00:28:58,714 --> 00:29:01,515
and John Donavan stays
and continues to drink.
575
00:29:01,516 --> 00:29:02,714
A friend of his comes up
576
00:29:02,749 --> 00:29:04,517
and starts egging him on,
saying, "You know what?
577
00:29:04,552 --> 00:29:06,286
You should have never
apologized to that guy.
578
00:29:06,321 --> 00:29:08,504
You should have
stood your ground."
579
00:29:08,539 --> 00:29:10,653
Now, he eggs him on to the point
580
00:29:10,688 --> 00:29:12,654
where he goes out,
finds him on the street,
581
00:29:12,689 --> 00:29:15,824
and he stabs him a few times
in the chest and the stomach.
582
00:29:15,859 --> 00:29:17,492
He stabs him so bad,
he disemboweled him.
583
00:29:19,859 --> 00:29:22,494
Donavan was actually hanged
for that homicide.
584
00:29:22,529 --> 00:29:23,630
Wow.
585
00:29:26,731 --> 00:29:28,964
What else did you see?
586
00:29:28,999 --> 00:29:33,068
I came inside,
walked around the first floor,
587
00:29:33,103 --> 00:29:36,304
and I got
that a living woman here
588
00:29:36,339 --> 00:29:39,070
was mad and angry,
589
00:29:39,105 --> 00:29:41,205
and I was hearing her say
590
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,843
how much she hates the house
and how she feels trapped,
591
00:29:45,878 --> 00:29:48,309
like the home
is crushing her.
592
00:29:48,344 --> 00:29:54,513
And this female
seems to be empathic.
593
00:29:54,548 --> 00:30:01,419
So this anger and hatred
actually fills the atmosphere.
594
00:30:02,952 --> 00:30:05,804
Well,
does it sound like you?
595
00:30:05,839 --> 00:30:08,621
It does sound like me.
Yeah.
596
00:30:08,656 --> 00:30:13,126
Like, sometimes,
I can feel when people are sick.
597
00:30:14,460 --> 00:30:17,095
And it comes
without any warning.
598
00:30:17,130 --> 00:30:18,613
Okay.
599
00:30:18,648 --> 00:30:20,097
Not good.
600
00:30:22,699 --> 00:30:25,000
My gosh.
601
00:30:28,068 --> 00:30:30,437
What else was going on
during your walk?
602
00:30:30,472 --> 00:30:33,469
At one point,
I went upstairs.
603
00:30:33,504 --> 00:30:38,124
I went into, I guess,
the master bedroom.
604
00:30:38,159 --> 00:30:42,744
And I felt extremely intense
feeling of fear.
605
00:30:42,779 --> 00:30:46,678
After the fear came in,
sadness.
606
00:30:46,679 --> 00:30:52,482
Then I saw this old woman,
607
00:30:52,517 --> 00:30:57,352
and she was just rocking
and, like, moaning and crying.
608
00:30:57,387 --> 00:31:00,954
It seemed like it was
about 100 to 125 years ago,
609
00:31:00,989 --> 00:31:03,589
just by the way
she was dressed.
610
00:31:03,624 --> 00:31:06,723
Tell Amy what you saw.
611
00:31:06,758 --> 00:31:09,193
You were talking about
the old woman's arm.
612
00:31:09,228 --> 00:31:11,459
Well,
I felt something behind me,
613
00:31:11,494 --> 00:31:16,563
and then I saw this skinny arm
with a black sleeve
614
00:31:16,564 --> 00:31:18,930
with these long nails,
615
00:31:18,965 --> 00:31:20,498
just going like this
behind me.
616
00:31:20,533 --> 00:31:22,434
I'm like, "What the heck?"
And I turn around.
617
00:31:22,469 --> 00:31:24,803
There's nothing there.
618
00:31:24,838 --> 00:31:27,102
This may be a long shot,
619
00:31:27,137 --> 00:31:29,038
but a woman that used to
live on this property
620
00:31:29,073 --> 00:31:31,940
had a pretty tragic time here.
621
00:31:31,975 --> 00:31:34,773
Her name is Hazel Bancroft.
622
00:31:34,808 --> 00:31:38,511
Her mother, Harriet,
died of pneumonia back in 1934.
623
00:31:38,546 --> 00:31:41,678
Now in 1937,
after the mother died,
624
00:31:41,679 --> 00:31:43,212
her dad, Frank --
625
00:31:43,247 --> 00:31:47,583
He gets hit by a car one night
and ends up dying, as well.
626
00:31:47,618 --> 00:31:49,248
My God.
627
00:31:49,283 --> 00:31:53,053
So, now, the daughter winds up
taking over the property.
628
00:31:53,088 --> 00:31:56,553
1946, she's got a boarder
who's 68 years old,
629
00:31:56,588 --> 00:31:59,189
and she just comes home
from the market or something.
630
00:31:59,224 --> 00:32:00,956
He meets her at the door,
631
00:32:00,991 --> 00:32:04,360
and he starts beating the hell
out of her for no reason.
632
00:32:04,395 --> 00:32:06,395
She literally escaped
with her life
633
00:32:06,430 --> 00:32:08,313
by running out
the back of the house,
634
00:32:08,348 --> 00:32:10,161
down in the basement
and then and out.
635
00:32:10,196 --> 00:32:12,531
Once she escapes,
the guy burned the house down.
636
00:32:12,566 --> 00:32:14,197
Wow.
637
00:32:14,232 --> 00:32:16,434
Now, could the woman
you were talking about
638
00:32:16,469 --> 00:32:19,601
been either her
or maybe her mother?
639
00:32:19,636 --> 00:32:21,402
Possibly her mother.
640
00:32:21,437 --> 00:32:24,272
By the way, that was the fourth
house to burn on this property.
641
00:32:25,939 --> 00:32:27,807
I mean,
these are some of the articles.
642
00:32:29,108 --> 00:32:32,542
1901, 1911, and 1935,
643
00:32:32,577 --> 00:32:35,111
houses were all burned down
on this property.
644
00:32:35,146 --> 00:32:37,646
Did you know anything
about these fires at all?
645
00:32:37,681 --> 00:32:39,578
Absolutely not.
No.
646
00:32:39,613 --> 00:32:41,516
They've had their house
hit by lightning twice
647
00:32:41,551 --> 00:32:42,848
in the seven years
they're here,
648
00:32:42,883 --> 00:32:44,849
and you also had a chimney fire,
right? - Yes.
649
00:32:44,884 --> 00:32:48,053
So, now you have four houses
burnt to the ground...
650
00:32:48,088 --> 00:32:50,552
...on this property.
- Right.
651
00:32:50,587 --> 00:32:52,655
Your house has been hit twice
with lightning,
652
00:32:52,690 --> 00:32:54,155
and you had the chimney fire.
653
00:32:54,190 --> 00:32:56,658
And if we weren't home,
it wouldn't be here today.
654
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,894
There's no such thing
as coincidence
655
00:33:00,929 --> 00:33:02,696
when you have this many.
656
00:33:02,731 --> 00:33:04,463
Yeah, I agree with that.
657
00:33:06,731 --> 00:33:08,530
So, how'd the rest of the walk
go?
658
00:33:08,565 --> 00:33:14,602
Well, the most powerful entity
that I met in the house
659
00:33:14,637 --> 00:33:20,639
was this older dead man
who was very condescending.
660
00:33:20,674 --> 00:33:23,974
He talks too **** fast.
661
00:33:25,608 --> 00:33:28,842
And he calls me a dimwit.
662
00:33:28,843 --> 00:33:31,078
He's like, "Keep up."
663
00:33:31,113 --> 00:33:33,278
He was very controlling.
664
00:33:33,313 --> 00:33:35,579
In fact,
he's a control freak.
665
00:33:35,614 --> 00:33:38,665
But here's the thing --
The way that he died
666
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:41,717
was maybe an aneurysm
or a heart attack,
667
00:33:41,718 --> 00:33:44,085
and this really upset him
668
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,955
because it was something
that was out of his control.
669
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:49,923
And this was probably
in the '80s or '90s.
670
00:33:51,691 --> 00:33:54,992
He is upset
with living people
671
00:33:55,027 --> 00:33:57,894
because he feels like
when he died,
672
00:33:57,929 --> 00:34:00,129
he was very disrespected.
673
00:34:01,096 --> 00:34:04,014
Well, I think I know
who you're talking about.
674
00:34:04,049 --> 00:34:06,933
There's a guy
that died in this house in 1992.
675
00:34:06,968 --> 00:34:09,267
The name of Cleave Lytle.
676
00:34:09,302 --> 00:34:13,438
He died unexpected, died
of a heart attack in the garage.
677
00:34:13,473 --> 00:34:15,271
Great.
678
00:34:15,306 --> 00:34:17,105
Now, I talked to his daughter,
Betsy.
679
00:34:17,140 --> 00:34:20,141
She described him as a "My way
or the highway" type of guy.
680
00:34:20,176 --> 00:34:24,676
He was not very warm,
not affectionate.
681
00:34:24,677 --> 00:34:28,014
Now, I got photos of him.
682
00:34:31,449 --> 00:34:33,666
He was actually in the army.
683
00:34:33,701 --> 00:34:35,849
He was in the army.
Wow.
684
00:34:35,884 --> 00:34:38,219
Your son said he saw somebody
in an army uniform
685
00:34:38,254 --> 00:34:39,754
standing over his bed, right?
686
00:34:39,789 --> 00:34:41,254
He sure did, plain as day.
687
00:34:42,956 --> 00:34:46,456
Our son,
he's always scared.
688
00:34:46,491 --> 00:34:49,292
Just the other night,
he was yelling in his sleep
689
00:34:49,327 --> 00:34:51,360
and came out walking
like he was in a daze,
690
00:34:51,395 --> 00:34:52,928
and he doesn't
even remember that.
691
00:34:52,963 --> 00:34:54,559
That was just the other day.
692
00:34:54,594 --> 00:34:56,831
I'm glad he's not sitting here
to look at that.
693
00:34:58,198 --> 00:35:02,334
And here's a couple of pictures
of him years later.
694
00:35:05,335 --> 00:35:06,634
Wow.
695
00:35:06,669 --> 00:35:10,940
I did do a sketch,
but I saw no hair on top.
696
00:35:15,008 --> 00:35:17,243
Wow.
Take a look at that.
697
00:35:24,514 --> 00:35:26,847
My God.
698
00:35:26,882 --> 00:35:30,017
It could pass for him, yes.
699
00:35:32,152 --> 00:35:35,921
That's definitely him.
The eyes are right on.
700
00:35:35,956 --> 00:35:38,487
What's this guy's story?
701
00:35:38,522 --> 00:35:43,793
He is kind of a leader
of about 25 other dead men.
702
00:35:43,828 --> 00:35:45,527
Boy.
703
00:35:46,541 --> 00:35:50,278
And what he did to them was,
he painted their skin black,
704
00:35:50,313 --> 00:35:55,147
and he makes them
kind of move like a gorilla,
705
00:35:55,182 --> 00:35:57,382
and they'll bark
like a dog.
706
00:35:57,417 --> 00:35:59,483
It's very strange.
707
00:35:59,518 --> 00:36:01,515
He uses their energy,
708
00:36:01,550 --> 00:36:05,520
and he'll use it so much
that he literally uses them up,
709
00:36:05,555 --> 00:36:07,221
and then they turn to dust
710
00:36:07,256 --> 00:36:08,888
and cease to even be
anymore.
711
00:36:08,923 --> 00:36:10,521
My God.
712
00:36:10,556 --> 00:36:13,024
He makes them
frighten the living.
713
00:36:14,358 --> 00:36:17,193
The living people would probably
perceive them as shadow men,
714
00:36:17,228 --> 00:36:19,194
but they're not.
715
00:36:19,229 --> 00:36:20,460
My God.
716
00:36:20,495 --> 00:36:22,328
Now, you've mentioned...
717
00:36:22,363 --> 00:36:24,662
...you've seen shadow figures
in the kitchen. - In the kitchen.
718
00:36:24,697 --> 00:36:26,648
You look out
of the corner of your eye,
719
00:36:26,683 --> 00:36:29,275
and you see something
about 6 foot tall,
720
00:36:29,310 --> 00:36:31,868
and I go to look, and it...
Away it goes.
721
00:36:31,869 --> 00:36:35,138
And I've seen that several times
recently.
722
00:36:36,072 --> 00:36:38,907
I did a sketch
of what I saw.
723
00:36:45,978 --> 00:36:47,477
What the ****
724
00:36:47,512 --> 00:36:50,080
I don't know if you're gonna
want to see this.
725
00:36:52,481 --> 00:36:55,048
My God.
726
00:36:55,083 --> 00:36:57,618
This is exactly
how I see that.
727
00:36:58,685 --> 00:37:00,753
**** exactly
how I see that.
728
00:37:14,161 --> 00:37:17,196
I did a sketch
of what I saw.
729
00:37:17,231 --> 00:37:19,197
What the ****
730
00:37:19,232 --> 00:37:21,733
I don't know if you're gonna
want to see this.
731
00:37:23,444 --> 00:37:25,940
My God.
732
00:37:25,941 --> 00:37:28,475
This is exactly
how I see that.
733
00:37:29,542 --> 00:37:31,610
**** exactly
how I see that.
734
00:37:34,913 --> 00:37:37,547
So, they're not shadow people,
like you --
735
00:37:37,582 --> 00:37:38,513
No.
736
00:37:38,548 --> 00:37:39,580
Real people.
737
00:37:39,615 --> 00:37:41,450
Yeah, they're enslaved.
738
00:37:41,485 --> 00:37:42,984
My God.
739
00:37:43,019 --> 00:37:43,950
Wow.
740
00:37:43,985 --> 00:37:46,517
That's crazy.
741
00:37:46,552 --> 00:37:48,353
So, where are these people
coming from?
742
00:37:48,388 --> 00:37:51,488
Well, they're -- I don't know.
He collected them.
743
00:37:51,523 --> 00:37:55,425
He just makes them kind of
**** with the living people.
744
00:37:55,460 --> 00:37:56,757
Can we **** with him?
745
00:37:56,792 --> 00:37:58,493
Yeah,
can we **** with him?
746
00:37:58,528 --> 00:38:00,161
I think so.
747
00:38:00,196 --> 00:38:01,494
- Good.
- Yeah. - Game on.
748
00:38:01,529 --> 00:38:03,430
They just make you
anxious and scared,
749
00:38:03,465 --> 00:38:05,262
and they'll mess around.
750
00:38:05,297 --> 00:38:08,266
But he got that he could
interact with the living.
751
00:38:08,301 --> 00:38:11,452
He can blind you
through migraines,
752
00:38:11,487 --> 00:38:14,879
cause hallucinations,
fear and panic.
753
00:38:14,914 --> 00:38:18,272
He likes to bother and/or scare
children.
754
00:38:18,307 --> 00:38:19,305
Nice.
755
00:38:19,340 --> 00:38:22,607
He can touch
by, like, shaking, pushing down,
756
00:38:22,642 --> 00:38:24,274
feeling smothered --
things like that.
757
00:38:24,309 --> 00:38:27,010
Now, you said he could
cause hallucinations, right?
758
00:38:27,045 --> 00:38:28,310
Yes.
759
00:38:28,311 --> 00:38:30,579
Tell Amy what you saw
in your bedroom.
760
00:38:30,614 --> 00:38:32,412
When I first moved in,
761
00:38:32,447 --> 00:38:37,016
I got woke up
by this horrible wolf thing.
762
00:38:37,051 --> 00:38:39,751
Now, is that what he's capable
of doing, what she's describing?
763
00:38:39,786 --> 00:38:41,954
I think so, yeah.
Absolutely.
764
00:38:41,989 --> 00:38:43,455
You got touched.
765
00:38:43,490 --> 00:38:44,886
I felt I did, yes.
766
00:38:44,921 --> 00:38:46,120
Tell Amy what happened.
767
00:38:46,155 --> 00:38:48,089
On the sofa,
I couldn't go to sleep.
768
00:38:48,124 --> 00:38:50,958
I felt a vivid finger.
769
00:38:50,993 --> 00:38:52,256
Poke you?
770
00:38:52,291 --> 00:38:55,360
Not hard, not painful,
nothing -- Just, it was there.
771
00:38:55,395 --> 00:38:57,661
What does he want?
772
00:38:57,696 --> 00:39:01,630
He wants control
and to dominate.
773
00:39:01,665 --> 00:39:05,566
He would probably prefer
no living people around here.
774
00:39:05,601 --> 00:39:08,836
Now, how's it feel knowing that
somebody doesn't want you here?
775
00:39:08,871 --> 00:39:10,868
**** him.
776
00:39:10,903 --> 00:39:13,272
So he can move out
to the **** yard.
777
00:39:16,407 --> 00:39:19,543
Well, you two said
you were up for a fight.
778
00:39:19,578 --> 00:39:21,008
Looks like you got one
on your hands.
779
00:39:21,043 --> 00:39:23,545
The big question is, is it safe
for you guys to stay here?
780
00:39:23,580 --> 00:39:25,897
And is it safe for your son
to stay here?
781
00:39:25,932 --> 00:39:28,214
For that,
I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
782
00:39:31,983 --> 00:39:34,185
So, there's a few things
that you're going to have to do.
783
00:39:35,651 --> 00:39:37,252
The first thing
784
00:39:37,287 --> 00:39:40,922
is to get rid of the people
that are inside the house.
785
00:39:43,056 --> 00:39:46,041
This is their chance
to leave nicely.
786
00:39:46,076 --> 00:39:48,918
So, what you're gonna do
is take this.
787
00:39:48,953 --> 00:39:51,761
This is, like,
quick-lighting charcoal.
788
00:39:51,762 --> 00:39:54,562
So, you can break it up
into four pieces,
789
00:39:54,597 --> 00:39:59,332
put it in something
that's obviously fireproof,
790
00:39:59,333 --> 00:40:02,068
and then
take the yellow sandalwood
791
00:40:02,103 --> 00:40:04,803
and sprinkle it on
so it'll smoke.
792
00:40:05,803 --> 00:40:07,972
This is used in exorcisms.
793
00:40:11,340 --> 00:40:14,641
State the following
while you burn this --
794
00:40:14,676 --> 00:40:18,410
"I am allowing you to follow
this smoke out of my home.
795
00:40:18,445 --> 00:40:21,379
If you do not leave now,
you will be removed.
796
00:40:21,414 --> 00:40:25,449
I am granting
all the power.
797
00:40:25,484 --> 00:40:27,181
Leave now."
798
00:40:27,216 --> 00:40:28,749
And what will that do?
799
00:40:28,784 --> 00:40:33,920
Basically, she's opening a door
for the ones who want to leave.
800
00:40:33,955 --> 00:40:35,455
Most of them
will want to go.
801
00:40:35,490 --> 00:40:38,088
Yes. I do believe that.
802
00:40:38,123 --> 00:40:41,325
Whoever chooses to stay,
they're gonna be pissed. They know what's coming.
803
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,626
So, do you think this guy is
gonna be the last guy standing?
804
00:40:44,661 --> 00:40:46,393
Yes.
805
00:40:46,428 --> 00:40:50,763
So, the next thing
that needs to be done is,
806
00:40:50,764 --> 00:40:52,865
you need to find a medium
and a holy person.
807
00:40:54,032 --> 00:40:56,450
First, you're gonna
have the medium come.
808
00:40:56,485 --> 00:40:58,868
Have that medium
do whatever they want
809
00:40:58,903 --> 00:41:01,370
to remove
the remaining dead.
810
00:41:01,405 --> 00:41:02,369
Okay.
811
00:41:02,404 --> 00:41:05,106
Once the medium's done,
the next day,
812
00:41:05,141 --> 00:41:07,773
you need to have a holy person
come
813
00:41:07,808 --> 00:41:10,610
and bless the house
and then the ground.
814
00:41:13,545 --> 00:41:14,576
You down with it?
815
00:41:14,611 --> 00:41:17,112
Well,
if it'll help my wife.
816
00:41:17,147 --> 00:41:20,247
Why don't we discuss
your skepticism?
817
00:41:20,282 --> 00:41:24,751
Let's say I'm not as skeptical
as I claim to be,
818
00:41:24,786 --> 00:41:27,852
I guess, but...
819
00:41:27,853 --> 00:41:30,522
I don't like acknowledging it.
820
00:41:30,557 --> 00:41:31,987
That might give --
821
00:41:32,022 --> 00:41:38,493
If it does exist,
gives it more strength.
822
00:41:38,528 --> 00:41:40,129
- Is that true?
- No.
823
00:41:41,128 --> 00:41:43,095
We have a lot of work
ahead of us.
824
00:41:43,130 --> 00:41:46,048
Just treat this guy
like another perp.
825
00:41:46,083 --> 00:41:48,931
He is. He is.
He's a burglar in the house.
826
00:41:48,966 --> 00:41:51,167
You know, you want to bring
the fight to them, bring it.
827
00:41:51,202 --> 00:41:52,835
Yep. Yes.
We're gonna do it.
828
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:54,267
Good.
829
00:41:54,302 --> 00:41:57,171
Donna and Millard have
a tough fight ahead of them,
830
00:41:57,206 --> 00:41:59,236
but I believe
if they follow my advice,
831
00:41:59,271 --> 00:42:01,807
they'll be able to expel
the controlling man,
832
00:42:01,842 --> 00:42:02,973
free his slaves,
833
00:42:03,008 --> 00:42:05,542
and live a normal, peaceful life
with their son.
834
00:42:06,278 --> 00:43:06,757
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00:43:06,807 --> 00:43:11,357
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