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On the 15th February 2021, Harry
and Meghan dropped a bombshell.
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Prince Harry and Meghan
will give their first interview
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to Meghan's friend Oprah Winfrey.
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The six million dollar question,
though, is just how far
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Meghan is going to go.
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F
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I expect this interview
not only to reverberate
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through the United States
and England, but to rock
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the establishment at its very core.
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With the Queen also set
to address the nation,
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are both sides now engaged
in a war of words?
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If they keep popping up and making
public pronouncements,
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of course, they're going to be
in the media glare.
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The relationship between
the Markles and the Windsors
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seemed like a fairy tale.
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With the interview, and now
allegations of bullying
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by Meghan inside the Palace,
which she strongly denies,
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it appears to be over.
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Outsiders have struggled to do well
when they enter the Royal Family.
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Do you ever have
disagreements about things?
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Tonight, the inside story of
when Hollywood glamour and ambition
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took on the establishment.
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Meghan wanted to have a celebrity
boyfriend, and she definitely got
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that with Prince Harry.
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Forget the red carpets in Hollywood.
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This was something else.
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For me, it's an added
member of the family.
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How did a marriage made
in heaven descend into
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a public slanging match?
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I think Meghan's Hollywood
background would have hit
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the Royal Family like a hurricane.
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Harry felt he was freeing himself,
but it probably felt like an act
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of vandalism against the monarchy.
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Stripped of their titles
and patronages...
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The Sussexes are isolated
from what everything
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the Royal Family means.
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And that puts the Royal
Family at peril.
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...exiled from royal life.
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The Queen's statement,
it's a clean cut,
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"You're out."
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In other words, "You're fired."
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Will you miss Harry and Meghan?
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With just over a day until Harry
and Meghan's ground-breaking
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interview with Oprah,
is this the final chapter
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in their battle with the monarchy?
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I'm just really relieved and happy
to be sitting here, talking to you,
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with my wife by my side.
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Because it has been unbelievably
tough for the two of us,
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but at least we had each other.
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Meghan and Harry.
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They could have resolved
so many issues.
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But they're stubborn.
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And is this the moment that Meghan
and Harry finally reject Royal
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service in favour of celebrity?
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There is no relationship
between the Markles
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and the Royal Family.
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It had the potential to be so much
better than, in fact,
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it turned out to be.
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I did not have any understanding
of just what it would be like.
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Harry and Meghan are one of the most
talked about couples on the planet.
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They've settled into their new lives
away from the Royal Family,
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having swapped the regal backdrop
of Windsor for the luxurious
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Hollywood Hills, in a move that
echoes Edward VIII's infamous
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abdication.
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Quite a lot of us thought
back to the abdication
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crisis in the 19305,
when Wallis Simpson, a twice
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divorced woman, fell in love
with a King and that King,
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Edward VIII, had to give
up his throne in order
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to marry the woman he loved.
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Harry and Meghan had to divorce
themselves from the Royal Family,
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just as Wallis and Edward had
to divorce themselves
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from the monarchy in order
to continue their relationship.
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Now, with the tell-all
Oprah Winfrey interview,
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are Harry and Meghan distancing
themselves from - and even setting
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themselves against - the Windsors?
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Strikes me that they feel
that they can continue to control
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media coverage of them,
control the way their
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image is portrayed.
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Yeah.
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We'd all like to do that.
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With the very public and unexpected
announcement of their second child,
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what will the future hold for Harry
and Meghan and the monarchy?
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The sad and harsh reality of this
scenario is that by abdicating
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from the Royal Family completely,
that the Queen and Prince Philip may
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actually never see the second child.
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And one can only think how
devastated and broken the Queen
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must feel about that.
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In December 2017, Meghan Markle made
history as she became the first
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royal fiancee to spend Christmas
with the Queen.
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Talk about a baptism of fire.
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Here was a rare
exception being made.
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Kate Middleton was not invited
as William's girlfriend to spend
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Christmas at Sandringham
with the Royals.
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But here was Meghan doing just that.
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And so to be invited
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The Queen is very strict
when it comes to family,
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and so to be invited
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was quite a significant thing.
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I'm sure Meghan Markle
was absolutely terrified.
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Although she had only met
Harry the year before,
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Meghan was being fast tracked
into royal life.
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This extraordinary special treatment
could have possibly annoyed other
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members of the family.
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Perhaps Andrew and Sarah,
because Sarah Ferguson had famously
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been not invited to spend Christmas
there when her daughters
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and ex-husband were there.
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Maybe a few people might have felt
that their noses were put out
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of joint because they've had to work
so hard with the protocol
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and the rules and the regulations,
and here enters Meghan
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and is straight into Sandringham.
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I think it would have been
a very diplomatic line
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that she would have had to walk.
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Despite the huge pressures
of a first Christmas
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with the in-laws, being face to face
with senior royals was a perfect
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opportunity to charm The Firm.
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I'm sure it must've been pretty
daunting actually for Meghan to rock
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up at Sandringham for Christmas
with the Queen.
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What do you give the Queen,
you know, what do you give your
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prospective father-in-law,
you know, Charles, I mean,
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it must be frightfully difficult.
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The Royal Family had this
tradition of not giving each
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other expensive gifts.
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In fact, the cheaper
the gift, the better it is.
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Harry once
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gave it his grandmother,
you know, a pair of rubber gloves
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for doing the dishes.
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I mean, really quite
bizarre presents.
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Meghan would have found that
as extraordinary as a certain
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Diana Spencer did at her first
Christmas by buying lavish
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gifts for her in-laws.
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She never made that mistake again.
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Meghan played a blinder
on that first Christmas.
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She got a toy, a singing
hamster, for the Queen
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and apparently she loved it.
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And so did the corgis.
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Despite winning over the Queen,
Meghan's first royal
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Christmas wasn't completely
free from controversy.
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After the festivities,
a remark from Prince Harry on live
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radio was said to cause tensions
between Meghan and her own family.
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I think we've got one of the biggest
families that I know of,
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and every family is complex as well.
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No, look, she's done
an absolutely amazing job.
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She's getting in there and it's
the family, I suppose,
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that she's never had.
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Harry was guest editing the Today
programme on Radio 4,
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shortly afterwards.
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And he said that they'd had
a lot of fun at Christmas
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and then he made a rather
unfortunate remark, he said,
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"I suppose it's the family she never
had," meaning Meghan.
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Well, that went down
like a lead balloon
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with the Markle family, obviously.
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And it's a remark
they've never forgotten.
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The family Meghan was joining
was a far cry from the world
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in which she grew up.
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It was against the golden
backdrop of Hollywood
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that Meghan's parents,
Doria Ragland and Thomas
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Markle, first met.
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Thomas went into the entertainment
industry and became
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a lighting director.
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And it was when he was doing that
job on the show General Hospital,
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a big show, that he met Doria,
who was training at that
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time as a make-up artist.
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She was 12 years younger than him,
but they fell in love and got
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married and Meghan came along
a couple of years later.
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Thomas had been married before,
and he had two children much older
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than Meghan from his first marriage.
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Thomas Jr and Samantha,
her two half siblings,
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they weren't close to her.
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She was not close to them.
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Despite her parents divorcing
whilst she was young,
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Meghan enjoyed a supportive
upbringing with both Doria
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and Thomas, evident in intimate home
videos that have been shared online.
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Go ahead.
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We're gonna catch fish for dinner.
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Fish for dinner.
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That's our goal, yes it is.
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F
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Am I there?
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I wonder?
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OK, see ya later.
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Bye bye.
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Where is the little button?
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OK, I got to press the button now.
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Home footage of Meghan driving
in Los Angeles also gives an insight
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into the early and possibly
fractured relationship
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with her father.
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We're about four minutes
from my dad's house.
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From my dad's house you can
see the Hollywood sign.
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But we're not going to go
there because my dad and I aren't
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on the best of terms.
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She says, "We're not
going there because my dad
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and I aren't getting along
at the moment."
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This also gives a hint at a real
relationship and it might
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show the reality of some
of their relationship that perhaps
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it wasn't always great.
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Despite potential frictions,
Thomas continued to be a strong
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presence in Meghan's life
as she immersed
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herself in Hollywood.
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She hung around the studios
where her father was
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the lighting director.
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That must be really exciting.
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And she certainly got the bug.
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Her first big break came
with Suits when she got
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the plum rule of Rachel,
that everybody fell in love with.
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Rachel's character was very sexy.
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She was savvy, she was ambitious.
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Actually, not dissimilar
to Meghan Markle herself.
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Whilst Meghan was being thrust
into the limelight, Prince Harry,
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a young officer in the British Army,
was trying to escape it.
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What do you think the public
perception of Harry is?
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Erm...
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I don't know.
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It fluctuates.
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It depends on what the media wants
to write, I suppose.
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It's two very different things,
what the public think
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and what the media think.
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The British public have
always had a huge amount
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of affection for Prince Harry.
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But certainly the press have
had quite a love-hate
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relationship with him.
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He was seen as a bit directionless.
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He was seen as a bit of a party boy.
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He liked having a good time.
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Despite being labelled a party
Prince, as he entered his 305,
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Harry proved that he still had
an important role to
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play within his family.
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He created some wonderful
initiatives, the Invictus Games,
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which was very much his baby.
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He also worked on Heads Together,
taking away some of the stigma
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surrounding mental health and mental
health issues, being very open
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and honest about his own struggles,
which was incredibly brave.
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And Harry was, at that time,
arguably the most popular Royal.
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In 2016, Meghan touched
down in London.
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The last thing she would have
expected was a blind date
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with the fifth in line
to the throne.
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It's a lot easier if you have
a boyfriend that understands
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the press and understands fame.
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And she definitely got
that with Prince Harry,
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you couldn't meet a more famous man
in all the world than Prince Harry.
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Buckingham Palace proudly
announce the engagement
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of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle.
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God Save The Queen!
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At the end of November 2017,
news of Harry and Meghan's
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engagement emerged from the Palace.
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Congratulations from all of Us.
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How are you both feeling?
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Yeah, thrilled!
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Over the moon.
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Very glad it's not raining too.
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Two completely different families
were to be joined together.
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But behind the scenes,
tensions had already emerged.
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In my opinion, the engagement
interview is when things
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really started to sour.
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Have you met each other's
families, I imagine?
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And Meghan, your parents,
do you think - you know while very
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happy for you, obviously...
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Do you think they have worried
at all about the scale
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of what you're getting into?
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The year before their engagement
announcement, Meghan had landed
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in the UK to promote her latest
season of Suits.
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Lizzie Cundy spent time with Meghan
as she settled into London life.
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Meghan and Harry were set up
on a blind date by a mutual friend.
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They immediately clicked.
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Harry actually said
it was like love at first sight.
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She was so open and he
thought she was so sweet.
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And they just got on
like a house on fire.
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Oh, yay, thank you for watching.
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Hi, there!
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Very few people knew
the couple were dating,
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but Meghan let her mother Doria
in on the secret.
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Any young man wants to make
a very good impression,
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and I don't think Harry
was any different.
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So when they met in in LA
in a rather luxurious mansion,
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he was a bag of nerves, apparently.
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She rather less so.
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She said that the meeting
was a little bit surreal, actually,
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and I suppose it would be -
"Hey mum, here's a Prince."
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But it went very well,
and Harry has become
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extremely fond of Daria.
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She's been a close part of their
lives pretty much ever since.
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But Harry and Meghan didn't meet
with her father, Thomas.
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This is one of the great,
what-ifs of the whole saga.
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Why didn't Harry go
to Mexico to meet him?
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Why didn't Meghan take him?
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Why didn't Harry insist
before it all blew up?
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I mean, the whole thing
was so avoidable and I think Harry
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does have to take some
responsibility for that.
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Thomas was simply not part
of these early meetings.
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She seemed as she got closer
and closer to Harry and a Royal life
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to be less and less inclined
to rekindle her relationship
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with the Markle side of her family.
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For a few months, Harry and Meghan
were able to keep their relationship
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from the outside world.
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But eventually,
their secret got out.
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There weren't many that knew,
only a very few friends.
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Then suddenly it got leaked
to the press that Harry
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had a new girlfriend.
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If you haven't read any of that
coverage, she's Meghan Markle,
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a 35-year-old film and TV
actress from California.
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The world's press knew about it.
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And Harry knew more than anyone,
things were going to change.
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Whilst Harry was used
to intense media pressure,
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nothing could prepare Meghan
and her family for the
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attention that followed.
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After the relationship became
public, there was a huge amount
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of interest in Meghan.
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Some of it was extremely negative.
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And there were things like that that
I think put a really bad taste
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in Harry and Meghan's mouth in terms
of the underlying and even
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blazing blatant racism.
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With the glare of the world's media
now upon both the Markles
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and the monarchy, questions
were quickly asked as to
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how the relationship
had reached the press.
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When in a relationship
or dating with a member
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from the Royal Family
from the Palace, it's not an easy
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thing to keep secret.
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Prince Harry has got his close
protection and they're very
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discreet, but at the same time,
there's other people who quite
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enjoy, can I say, a gossip.
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In the case of the leak about Meghan
and Harry's relationship,
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which Harry was said to be
incandescent and furious about,
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was rumoured to have come from
someone in Prince Andrew's camp.
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I have no idea if that's the case,
but what I can say is that there
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are so many leaks in the family,
there were rumours about Harry's
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new girl and he was madly in love
and those got out and I don't think
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Harry was quite prepared
for all of that when it happened.
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The wave of intense media attention
led Harry to take a public
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stand against the press.
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An explosive public statement
from Harry was the first indication
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that the press were now on notice -
he requested the media "pause
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and reflect before any
further damage is done."
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The one thing the Royals are meant
to do is make sure that everyone
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is on the same page.
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And the fact is that the Prince
of Wales was abroad
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or on an official tour,
Charles himself was only
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given a matter of moments
to scan his son's statement.
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And there was a feeling that Harry
had been thoughtless
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and that he should have
consulted his father.
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He should have consulted his brother
and there could have been
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a more measured response.
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With Harry and Meghan's
relationship now public,
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the media interest was out
of their control.
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But Meghan would need to put
all that to one side,
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as she focused on important meetings
behind palace walls.
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Meeting the in-laws is always
a bit of an ordeal.
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Isn't it?
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And meeting your in-laws when one
is going to be a future King
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meeting Prince Charles,
it must have been quite tough
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for Meghan, or a little bit
daunting, but she is a strong woman
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she probably marched in there and,
just got on famously because she's
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a woman with lots of opinions,
lots of views,
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and a confident woman.
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And those are the kinds
of attributes that Charles likes.
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Charles famously adored Meghan.
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That first meeting went
extraordinarily well.
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She was welcomed as a daughter,
even more so than Kate Middleton
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was at the very beginning.
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As well as charming Prince Charles,
Meghan also had a very successful
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first meeting with the Queen.
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The meeting went extremely well.
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It actually ran over,
which is an extraordinary thing
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for the way the Queen
keeps her schedule.
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Meghan was warmly welcomed.
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You know, here she is -
articulate, bright, intelligent,
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well-spoken, beautiful, elegant.
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What's not to like?
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Despite charming Harry's family,
did Meghan soon start to resent
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aspects of royal protocol?
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The Markle way, it seemed,
was not the Windsor way.
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Meghan's first real reality check
with how Royal protocol works
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was when she was wearing a necklace
with "H and M" on it, and then
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told to remove it
by senior courtiers,
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because it might
encourage the press.
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To be told what to do,
it must have been quite a shock
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anyone would kind of think,
hang on, wait, someone
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telling me what to wear
and which jewellery
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to wear, excuse me.
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Was it an early sign Meghan wasn't
prepared to tow the royal line?
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She likes to have to
have the freedom to do
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what she wants and when she wants.
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She wouldn't want to be
told, you know, what to
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wear at any occasion.
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You could look at this
instance and say,
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was that the beginning of,
of Meghan saying, I'm not
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going to have people
like this controlling me.
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Despite a whirlwind introduction
to Royal life, Meghan stood firm.
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And as the final preparations
for the royal wedding were put
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in place, Meghan's mother Doria
was introduced to the
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establishment's key players.
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She was given VIP treatment,
I suppose, perhaps it was her first
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taste of being associated
with royalty, you know,
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being whisked through security
at Heathrow Airport.
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She was taken first
to Clarence House to meet
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Charles and Camilla.
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And I think that went
very well indeed.
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Meeting all the Royals -
Kate, William, Charles -
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must have felt like Royal speed
dating.
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"I've got to get to know everybody.
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"I've got to form these
connections really quickly."
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Even the rather wonderfully
confident Doria found, you know,
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fairly awesome, actually,
meeting the Queen.
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Harry again had prepared his
mother-in-law to be by saying,
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"You know, she's my gran,
she's my gran, try to
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think of her that way."
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I don't think many people will think
about the Queen that way.
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While Doria was winning over
the Windsors, another member
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of the Markle family was conspicuous
in their absence.
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It had been planned that
Thomas Markle would have flown over
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and that he was going to walk Meghan
down the aisle as father
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of the bride, however,
it came to light that Thomas Markle
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had worked with the paparazzi
photographer to stage photographs
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of him ahead of the wedding.
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He was living in Mexico,
surrounded by paparazzi.
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He tried to set up this deal
with a photographer, in the belief
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that they would then go away.
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Well, I'm afraid that
just shows his naivety.
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He found himself
profoundly embarrassed.
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He thought he'd embarrassed
the Royal Family, that he'd let
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down his beloved daughter,
who he used to call princess
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What we've since learned,
according to members of the family,
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is that there was zero support
from Buckingham Palace
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or Harry and Meghan,
in order to support Thomas.
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The stress of dealing with the press
and the build up to the big day
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took its toll on Thomas.
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Just days before the wedding,
he had a heart attack and had to go
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to the hospital.
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He had to have stents
put in, and by the time
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he emerged, he declared
that he was not able to fly
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because of these procedures.
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And he pulled out of the wedding,
and this was a huge drama
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on the eve of a wedding.
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I mean, it's stressful enough
marrying into the Royal Family,
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but to do it with all this scrutiny
and there's media frenzy and this
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scandal around your family,
you know, the stress must've been
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unbearable.
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Despite the frenzied build up,
Harry and Meghan's big day
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was finally upon them.
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But with her father unable
to give her away, Meghan was left
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with a huge dilemma.
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In finding a solution
she broke with tradition,
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leaning on Harry's father,
Prince Charles.
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I thought it was the perfect
embodiment actually of the modern
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woman that she started out
on her own, walked
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halfway down on her own.
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And then Charles joined her.
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It looked right.
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It sort of gave us an idea of,
of what Meghan was going to be like,
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the sort of declaration
of independence, if
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you like, on her part.
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"I don't need anyone
to give me away.
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"I'm a free person."
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Was Meghan's independence also
evident from the wedding's
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exclusive A- list guests?
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We saw Idris Elba and George Clooney
and Oprah, you know,
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walking in, there was this kind
of like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa.
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"I didn't know Meghan
knew all these people."
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It was a star spotting day.
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And she looked great.
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The bride looked fantastic,
it was a wonderful day.
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I think everyone just
thoroughly enjoyed it.
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And you just felt a sense of true
welcome of this young bride
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into the Royal fold.
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To the eyes of the world,
Harry and Meghan's wedding had
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the flavour of a fairy tale.
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Meghan wanted it to be right.
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She wanted to be perfect,
but she wanted it to be
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done her way, not the Royal way
or how the other royals had done it.
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Forget the red carpets in Hollywood.
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This was something else.
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But even as the signatures
on the wedding license
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were still drying, the Markles'
wider family were beginning
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to make themselves heard.
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Everything seems so,
you know, magical, hunky-dory
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after the wedding, and then it
all got a bit soured,
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a bit tarnished by Meghan's family
piping up again and again.
489
00:25:53,035 --> 00:25:55,320
The honeymoon for the Markles
and the monarchy would soon
490
00:25:55,345 --> 00:25:57,880
come to an abrupt end.
491
00:25:57,905 --> 00:26:00,010
She was an adult,
she had her own ideas
492
00:26:00,035 --> 00:26:02,210
and she was going to do it her way.
493
00:26:02,235 --> 00:26:05,320
In the past, when Royals married
Royals, all the organisations,
494
00:26:05,345 --> 00:26:11,760
the firms all work together to make
sure there's no issues
495
00:26:11,905 --> 00:26:14,240
where they can't have that control
when you're mining into,
496
00:26:14,265 --> 00:26:18,519
um, can I say normalfamilies?
497
00:26:27,045 --> 00:26:30,869
Just days after their wedding,
the new Duke and Duchess of Sussex
498
00:26:30,894 --> 00:26:33,340
were seen at their first official
engagement, a garden party
499
00:26:33,365 --> 00:26:37,020
at Buckingham Palace.
500
00:26:37,045 --> 00:26:40,180
This one actually was a little bit
special because the theme
501
00:26:40,205 --> 00:26:44,050
was Prince Charles,
his 70th birthday.
502
00:26:44,075 --> 00:26:48,100
And that must have been
extraordinary for Meghan.
503
00:26:48,125 --> 00:26:52,820
From the first instance the Queen
had implored upon the Windsor
504
00:26:52,845 --> 00:26:58,150
family to embrace Meghan,
not only because she was a person
505
00:26:58,285 --> 00:27:04,539
of colour and someone
from an international country,
506
00:27:04,684 --> 00:27:10,510
but that she had this charm
about her, almost this sassiness.
507
00:27:10,644 --> 00:27:12,230
Everything seems so,
I don't know, magical,
508
00:27:12,255 --> 00:27:16,950
hunky-dory after the wedding.
509
00:27:16,975 --> 00:27:20,659
We've got this wonderful new mixed
heritage, modern woman as part
510
00:27:20,684 --> 00:27:24,869
of the Royal Family,
such a symbol of the monarchy
511
00:27:24,894 --> 00:27:27,739
moving with the times,
and then it all got a bit soured,
512
00:27:27,764 --> 00:27:35,764
a bit tarnished by Meghan's family
piping up again and again.
513
00:27:40,644 --> 00:27:43,950
Like it's so good to have a role
model, someone you look up to,
514
00:27:43,975 --> 00:27:46,590
often times when it's someone
who looks like you or comes
515
00:27:46,615 --> 00:27:49,430
from where you come from it's easier
to connect and see it
516
00:27:49,455 --> 00:27:50,820
in a different way.
517
00:27:50,845 --> 00:27:53,230
Meghan was used to cameras
and publicity, but really nothing
518
00:27:53,255 --> 00:27:57,460
can prepare someone for entering
the most famous family in the world.
519
00:27:57,485 --> 00:28:03,180
And I think even she admitted
she was taken aback by it.
520
00:28:03,325 --> 00:28:06,430
As Meghan was starting her new life,
her father felt he was
521
00:28:06,455 --> 00:28:11,020
no longer part of it.
522
00:28:11,045 --> 00:28:13,659
It was extraordinary that
Meghan's dad did, like,
523
00:28:13,684 --> 00:28:16,020
a press tour in the days
after the wedding, putting
524
00:28:16,045 --> 00:28:18,690
forward his side of things.
525
00:28:18,715 --> 00:28:21,590
It can't have been very easy
for Meghan to watch her dad
526
00:28:21,615 --> 00:28:26,230
on television, publicly
disputing her side of the story
527
00:28:26,255 --> 00:28:29,150
or her version of events.
528
00:28:29,175 --> 00:28:31,940
Well, I'm very disappointed by it.
529
00:28:31,965 --> 00:28:34,380
Millions watched as he gave
an interview to good morning
530
00:28:34,405 --> 00:28:36,789
Britain, saying he hadn't heard
from his daughter since
531
00:28:36,814 --> 00:28:39,300
before the wedding.
532
00:28:39,325 --> 00:28:43,180
I'm not sure why it's happening.
533
00:28:43,205 --> 00:28:45,590
I'm waiting, I'm reaching out,
I've been trying to reach
534
00:28:45,615 --> 00:28:51,659
out for several weeks,
everyday I try to text her.
535
00:28:51,814 --> 00:28:54,869
It demonstrated that he was a man
who was going to, you know,
536
00:28:54,894 --> 00:28:58,180
shoot from the lip, if you like.
537
00:28:58,205 --> 00:29:00,480
And he wasn't afraid
to say what he wanted.
538
00:29:00,505 --> 00:29:02,170
I love you very much,
539
00:29:02,195 --> 00:29:05,889
you're my daughter and I'd love
to hear from you.
540
00:29:05,914 --> 00:29:08,170
Whatever differences
or problems we've had,
541
00:29:08,195 --> 00:29:10,090
we should be able to work them out.
542
00:29:10,115 --> 00:29:16,559
We're family.
543
00:29:16,704 --> 00:29:19,710
If you think about a father daughter
dynamic, and this isn't...
544
00:29:19,735 --> 00:29:22,809
This is an intimate family space.
545
00:29:22,834 --> 00:29:25,070
So they are now three of them.
546
00:29:25,095 --> 00:29:29,559
It's Meghan, it's Thomas
and it's the media.
547
00:29:29,584 --> 00:29:31,480
I do have sympathy
for Thomas Markle.
548
00:29:31,505 --> 00:29:35,200
This was a guy who had
never been a celebrity,
549
00:29:35,225 --> 00:29:39,120
had never courted fame
and being a celebrity,
550
00:29:39,145 --> 00:29:45,450
who was thrust into a national
spotlight with zero support.
551
00:29:45,584 --> 00:29:47,480
In the past when Royals
married Royals, the,
552
00:29:47,505 --> 00:29:49,889
all the organisations,
the firms all work together to make
553
00:29:49,914 --> 00:29:53,710
sure there's no issues -
where they can't have that control
554
00:29:53,735 --> 00:29:58,679
when you're marrying into, um,
can I say normalfamilies?
555
00:30:01,834 --> 00:30:04,200
Seemingly left to cope
on his own, Thomas continued
556
00:30:04,225 --> 00:30:07,639
to speak out in the press.
557
00:30:07,664 --> 00:30:10,889
Meghan took full control herself
because it was her dad,
558
00:30:10,914 --> 00:30:13,450
and the Palace didn't feel
that they could step
559
00:30:13,475 --> 00:30:18,200
in and insist on how she handled
things with her father.
560
00:30:18,225 --> 00:30:20,679
She was an adult,
she had her own ideas
561
00:30:20,704 --> 00:30:22,889
and she was going to do it her way.
562
00:30:22,914 --> 00:30:27,170
If that's the case, it was a gross
miscalculation and a huge mistake.
563
00:30:27,195 --> 00:30:30,000
Where was any help from Harry
or anybody in the Royal household
564
00:30:30,025 --> 00:30:33,040
to give him some guidance?
565
00:30:33,065 --> 00:30:34,250
Was he even offered it?
566
00:30:34,275 --> 00:30:35,450
Did he turn it down?
567
00:30:35,475 --> 00:30:38,809
We don't know.
568
00:30:38,945 --> 00:30:41,400
As her deteriorating relationship
with her father continued
569
00:30:41,425 --> 00:30:43,889
to play out in the press,
Meghan became centre stage
570
00:30:43,914 --> 00:30:47,320
in the Royal Family.
571
00:30:47,345 --> 00:30:50,810
Once you're in the family firm,
you are put to work and I covered
572
00:30:50,835 --> 00:30:54,859
their first big tour in the Autumn,
which was Australia,
573
00:30:54,884 --> 00:30:59,140
New Zealand, Fiji and Tonga.
574
00:30:59,165 --> 00:31:02,010
It was relentless, but, you know,
they were the most famous couple
575
00:31:02,035 --> 00:31:08,010
in the world and the world wanted
to see them.
576
00:31:08,165 --> 00:31:11,729
I think for Meghan, it may have been
a bit of a shock because these
577
00:31:11,754 --> 00:31:14,859
tours are quite full on,
you know, the long days,
578
00:31:14,884 --> 00:31:18,810
the long hours, lots to do,
but it was a great introduction
579
00:31:18,835 --> 00:31:24,420
for her into the world of,
of royalty British royalty
580
00:31:24,525 --> 00:31:28,010
and how to do things.
581
00:31:28,165 --> 00:31:31,010
Then a surprise announcement
by the couple wrong footed
582
00:31:31,035 --> 00:31:33,170
the royal press pack -
signalling that from now
583
00:31:33,195 --> 00:31:38,170
on they were determined
to do things their way.
584
00:31:38,195 --> 00:31:41,879
The Palace press officials were
there going through the itinerary.
585
00:31:41,904 --> 00:31:45,140
And at the end of that the British
royal correspondents were called
586
00:31:45,165 --> 00:31:47,960
into a corner and we were told,
"Oh, and by the way,
587
00:31:47,985 --> 00:31:49,010
she's pregnant."
588
00:31:49,035 --> 00:31:53,570
It's like, "What?"
589
00:31:53,705 --> 00:31:56,779
It was massive news and strange
timing, but I think Harry and Meghan
590
00:31:56,804 --> 00:31:59,170
made that announcement because,
who knows, in those early stages
591
00:31:59,195 --> 00:32:03,210
of pregnancy she might've suddenly
felt that that tour was going to be
592
00:32:03,235 --> 00:32:07,290
a bit hardcore and
she'd need time off.
593
00:32:07,445 --> 00:32:10,290
As Meghan and Harry prepared
to start a family of their own,
594
00:32:10,315 --> 00:32:12,529
wider members of the Markle family
began selling stories
595
00:32:12,554 --> 00:32:20,554
to the tabloid press.
596
00:32:21,835 --> 00:32:23,250
Meghan's half siblings,
Thomas Junior
597
00:32:23,275 --> 00:32:25,859
snd Samantha, just seemed incapable
of keeping quiet at this point.
598
00:32:25,884 --> 00:32:26,930
They...
599
00:32:26,955 --> 00:32:29,570
Every other week it seemed,
they came out with some more
600
00:32:29,595 --> 00:32:33,779
very cruel criticism
of their half-sister.
601
00:32:33,804 --> 00:32:36,609
The fact that none of them have been
invited to the wedding
602
00:32:36,634 --> 00:32:41,060
clearly rankled hugely.
603
00:32:41,195 --> 00:32:43,779
You know, Meghan's answer
to that was that they played very
604
00:32:43,804 --> 00:32:46,609
little part in her life.
605
00:32:46,754 --> 00:32:51,859
In a remarkable interview for ITV,
Samantha criticised her step-sister.
606
00:32:51,985 --> 00:32:58,370
The smiling and the waving and, you
know, the contrived British accent.
607
00:32:58,525 --> 00:33:02,060
You know, it was all seemingly
great and wonderful then,
608
00:33:02,085 --> 00:33:05,320
but when the public began
to criticise some of
609
00:33:05,345 --> 00:33:09,380
the expenditures and the behaviours
and protocol that had been broken,
610
00:33:09,405 --> 00:33:11,970
the tune changed.
611
00:33:11,995 --> 00:33:14,859
The Queen and the members
of her family must have been very
612
00:33:14,884 --> 00:33:19,789
disappointed is probably the word
that Meghan's family had chosen
613
00:33:19,814 --> 00:33:25,789
to speak out in the way they did.
614
00:33:25,925 --> 00:33:28,260
So Was Meghan's key ally
in the Windsor camp also
615
00:33:28,285 --> 00:33:31,370
now under pressure?
616
00:33:31,395 --> 00:33:34,400
Charles has tried to be a support,
a listening ear, to give guidance,
617
00:33:34,425 --> 00:33:39,380
to help the couple.
618
00:33:39,535 --> 00:33:41,580
But from the very beginning,
Harry and Meghan have
619
00:33:41,605 --> 00:33:47,350
done things their way.
620
00:33:47,485 --> 00:33:50,100
The couple themselves were under
increasing pressure in the media -
621
00:33:50,125 --> 00:33:52,510
now the £2.4 million renovations
to Frogmore Cottage
622
00:33:52,535 --> 00:33:58,710
came to the fore.
623
00:33:58,845 --> 00:34:02,070
Harry and Meghan took any kind
of criticism very personally,
624
00:34:02,095 --> 00:34:04,430
and none more so than the debate
over the renovations
625
00:34:04,455 --> 00:34:10,150
to Frog more Cottage.
626
00:34:10,285 --> 00:34:13,150
Frogmore Cottage is not a cottage,
it's quite a few different buildings
627
00:34:13,175 --> 00:34:15,580
that they've knocked through,
spent a lot of taxpayers'
628
00:34:15,605 --> 00:34:19,900
money on renovating.
629
00:34:20,045 --> 00:34:22,710
Harry took grave exception to this
idea that they were lavishing
630
00:34:22,735 --> 00:34:27,679
public money on something
which was unnecessary.
631
00:34:27,834 --> 00:34:31,090
And it did feed into the narrative
as far as he was concerned
632
00:34:31,115 --> 00:34:36,300
that the press was somehow
being highly critical of every
633
00:34:36,405 --> 00:34:43,789
motive and everything they did.
634
00:34:43,925 --> 00:34:46,250
Meghan's mother Doria could only
watch on as her daughter
635
00:34:46,275 --> 00:34:50,220
struggled with the criticism
and harsh media spotlight.
636
00:34:50,245 --> 00:34:53,580
There's no doubt in my mind
for what we can see that Meghan has
637
00:34:53,605 --> 00:34:58,559
a really close relationship
with her mother, somebody
638
00:34:58,704 --> 00:35:02,020
who would always, you know,
have her back, speak truth
639
00:35:02,045 --> 00:35:08,460
to her and help her make the kind
of choices that she needs to make.
640
00:35:08,605 --> 00:35:11,940
It must be difficult for any mother
to see a daughter being splashed out
641
00:35:11,965 --> 00:35:14,820
of the papers for things
that she might not want to be
642
00:35:14,845 --> 00:35:18,503
in the papers, but ultimately
you can't control the press,
643
00:35:18,528 --> 00:35:22,458
it is a beast of its own.
644
00:35:22,603 --> 00:35:25,218
But on the May 6th 2019
Meghan and Harry were able
645
00:35:25,243 --> 00:35:28,737
to share some happy news.
646
00:35:28,762 --> 00:35:33,657
Meghan gave birth to a baby boy -
Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor.
647
00:35:33,682 --> 00:35:38,607
Ancl secured the couple's
direct line to the throne.
648
00:35:38,632 --> 00:35:45,218
Mother and baby are
doing incredibly well,
649
00:35:45,373 --> 00:35:47,708
it's been the most amazing
experience I could ever possibly
650
00:35:47,733 --> 00:35:55,733
imagined.
651
00:35:59,273 --> 00:36:01,428
Archie would be part
of the blood lines of,
652
00:36:01,453 --> 00:36:03,537
uh, of a storied family
with hundreds of years
653
00:36:03,562 --> 00:36:04,607
of history behind it.
654
00:36:04,632 --> 00:36:07,248
Harry and Meghan released a touching
family photograph to mark Archie's
655
00:36:07,273 --> 00:36:08,708
monumental first meeting
with the Monarch.
656
00:36:08,733 --> 00:36:10,857
É
657
00:36:10,882 --> 00:36:14,898
F
658
00:36:14,923 --> 00:36:19,857
é
659
00:36:19,993 --> 00:36:22,578
The birth of Archie was quite
a moment for the Markle
660
00:36:22,603 --> 00:36:27,298
family certainly but for Doria that
must really have resonated with her.
661
00:36:27,323 --> 00:36:29,657
She was over here so
she was very much part
662
00:36:29,682 --> 00:36:36,708
of this, this new little family.
663
00:36:36,843 --> 00:36:39,458
After the birth, Meghan decided
to keep her mother close by,
664
00:36:39,483 --> 00:36:42,348
Doria stayed with Meghan and Harry
at Frogmore Cottage.
665
00:36:42,373 --> 00:36:45,607
And the royals began
to visit the new arrival.
666
00:36:45,632 --> 00:36:48,018
William and Kate went
on their own without their children
667
00:36:48,043 --> 00:36:51,218
to visit the baby, people
saw that as a snub.
668
00:36:51,243 --> 00:36:53,818
I think that was fair enough,
they didn't want three children
669
00:36:53,843 --> 00:36:57,178
running around the place.
670
00:36:57,203 --> 00:37:00,068
He would have turned up
and given his brother a hug and,
671
00:37:00,093 --> 00:37:01,987
and they would have,
um, and congratulated them.
672
00:37:02,012 --> 00:37:04,298
Charles took ten days
before he visited Archie.
673
00:37:04,323 --> 00:37:06,428
Camilla could have been
in tow, he perhaps thought
674
00:37:06,453 --> 00:37:09,708
he was being respectful.
675
00:37:09,733 --> 00:37:11,578
But when her mother
returned to Los Angeles,
676
00:37:11,603 --> 00:37:14,818
did Meghan feel alone?
677
00:37:14,843 --> 00:37:16,817
Doria was very supportive,
678
00:37:16,842 --> 00:37:18,767
but of course, she had to go home.
679
00:37:18,792 --> 00:37:23,667
So I think Doria's absence
would have hit Meghan very hard.
680
00:37:23,822 --> 00:37:26,438
In public the Sussex's appeared
to be content with royal life,
681
00:37:26,463 --> 00:37:31,948
but behind the scenes,
cracks were beginning to appear.
682
00:37:32,103 --> 00:37:33,718
I think she did feel
very misunderstood
683
00:37:33,743 --> 00:37:36,078
and she felt trapped.
684
00:37:36,103 --> 00:37:42,108
And so she decided to do
something about it.
685
00:37:42,253 --> 00:37:45,168
And I think that she and Harry,
I think she kind of,
686
00:37:45,193 --> 00:37:50,108
she and Harry kind of fed off
each other actually.
687
00:37:50,253 --> 00:37:54,108
Resulting in a bombshell
which would rock the monarchy.
688
00:37:54,133 --> 00:37:58,718
They wanted an exit strategy
from the Royal family.
689
00:38:05,962 --> 00:38:09,168
With the birth of Archie in May
2019, Meghan and Harry seemed
690
00:38:09,193 --> 00:38:11,557
to have cemented their place
at the very heart of
691
00:38:11,582 --> 00:38:16,887
the Royal Family Despite ongoing
battles between Meghan,
692
00:38:17,042 --> 00:38:19,128
her family and the press,
for now, their popularity
693
00:38:19,153 --> 00:38:22,687
with the public remained undimmed.
694
00:38:22,712 --> 00:38:27,168
I think the Queen had, um,
high hopes for them being, you know,
695
00:38:27,193 --> 00:38:32,298
great brand ambassadors
for the Royal Family.
696
00:38:33,863 --> 00:38:35,328
Harry and Meghan made it clear.
697
00:38:35,353 --> 00:38:38,408
They wanted to do, they want it
to be different kinds of Royals.
698
00:38:38,433 --> 00:38:41,168
They want to engage more.
699
00:38:41,193 --> 00:38:45,687
Uh, they clearly wanted to have, uh,
close links with, with young people.
700
00:38:45,712 --> 00:38:51,128
I think the Queen seized
on that with alacrity.
701
00:38:51,273 --> 00:38:54,248
F
702
00:38:54,273 --> 00:38:59,658
F
703
00:38:59,792 --> 00:39:04,088
F
704
00:39:04,113 --> 00:39:12,113
F
705
00:39:15,403 --> 00:39:17,658
In September 2019,
the new family embarked
706
00:39:17,683 --> 00:39:20,887
on a tour of Southern Africa.
707
00:39:20,912 --> 00:39:24,838
On the surface, they seemed
happier than ever.
708
00:39:24,863 --> 00:39:29,328
You've given us so much inspiration,
so much hope and above all you have
709
00:39:29,353 --> 00:39:33,968
given us joy, thank you.
710
00:39:34,113 --> 00:39:38,328
But, in reality, they
felt under pressure.
711
00:39:38,353 --> 00:39:40,198
In a revealing interview
for an ITV documentary,
712
00:39:40,223 --> 00:39:44,048
Meghan dropped a bombshell.
713
00:39:44,073 --> 00:39:46,937
Yeah, well, I guess and thank
you for asking, not many people
714
00:39:46,962 --> 00:39:49,767
have asked if I'm OK,
it's a very real thing to be
715
00:39:49,792 --> 00:39:56,528
going through behind the scenes.
716
00:39:56,683 --> 00:39:59,408
Remember at this point she's had
an absolute beating from the press
717
00:39:59,433 --> 00:40:02,088
on a sort of daily basis.
718
00:40:02,113 --> 00:40:06,017
She's had this horrible
fallout with her father,
719
00:40:06,042 --> 00:40:09,088
she's also a new mother,
um, as well and you can just see
720
00:40:09,113 --> 00:40:13,248
the sort of weight on her shoulders.
721
00:40:13,273 --> 00:40:15,378
F
722
00:40:15,403 --> 00:40:21,198
F
723
00:40:21,353 --> 00:40:24,198
The interview seemed to mark a sea
change in the once happy
724
00:40:24,223 --> 00:40:25,838
relationship between Harry,
Meghan and the rest
725
00:40:25,863 --> 00:40:29,478
of the Royal Family.
726
00:40:29,503 --> 00:40:32,128
Meghan seemed intent on sort
of ripping up the Royal, uh,
727
00:40:32,153 --> 00:40:35,328
guidebook if you like and doing
things her own way.
728
00:40:35,353 --> 00:40:40,298
É
729
00:40:40,433 --> 00:40:48,433
F
730
00:40:48,603 --> 00:40:56,088
é
731
00:40:56,223 --> 00:41:02,448
F
732
00:41:02,582 --> 00:41:05,118
F
733
00:41:05,143 --> 00:41:09,887
F
734
00:41:09,912 --> 00:41:13,448
One of the rules of being a member
of the Royal Family is you never
735
00:41:13,473 --> 00:41:15,017
complain, about anything.
736
00:41:15,042 --> 00:41:19,408
So I think that, um,
they would have been furious.
737
00:41:19,433 --> 00:41:22,298
And the sad thing is, I think,
you know, she was just
738
00:41:22,323 --> 00:41:25,328
being honest about how she felt,
but that interview probably
739
00:41:25,353 --> 00:41:28,168
made things about 100
times worse in terms
740
00:41:28,193 --> 00:41:32,408
of already frosty relations.
741
00:41:32,433 --> 00:41:36,198
É
742
00:41:36,223 --> 00:41:40,838
F
743
00:41:40,863 --> 00:41:46,118
F
744
00:41:47,353 --> 00:41:48,968
Harry then opened up
on the relationship
745
00:41:48,993 --> 00:41:51,448
with his brother William.
746
00:41:51,473 --> 00:41:55,838
He revealed his true feelings
to journalist Tom Bradby.
747
00:41:55,863 --> 00:41:59,687
Inevitably, you know stuff, stuff
happens but look we're brothers,
748
00:41:59,712 --> 00:42:01,838
we'll always be brothers.
749
00:42:01,863 --> 00:42:04,968
We're certainly on different paths
at the moment but I will always be
750
00:42:04,993 --> 00:42:09,368
there for him and as I know
he will always be there for me.
751
00:42:09,503 --> 00:42:11,658
Harry's revelation further fuelled
the rumours there had been
752
00:42:11,683 --> 00:42:15,728
a breakdown in relations
between the two couples.
753
00:42:15,753 --> 00:42:19,528
Was it now Harry and Meghan
versus the monarchy?
754
00:42:19,553 --> 00:42:22,968
I think it stemmed from William
giving what he believed to be good,
755
00:42:22,993 --> 00:42:27,887
brotherly advice to Harry,
make sure about your
756
00:42:27,993 --> 00:42:31,017
feelings about this girl.
757
00:42:31,042 --> 00:42:33,728
And from what we gather,
it was those words, this girl,
758
00:42:33,753 --> 00:42:37,658
that particularly riled,
uh, Harry, we, the, the media went
759
00:42:37,683 --> 00:42:40,017
a bit to town on that fab four.
760
00:42:40,042 --> 00:42:42,298
But that wasn't to be.
761
00:42:42,323 --> 00:42:44,838
F
762
00:42:44,863 --> 00:42:49,218
é
763
00:42:49,243 --> 00:42:51,578
é
764
00:42:51,603 --> 00:42:56,807
F
765
00:42:56,962 --> 00:43:00,608
Harry and Meghan were now fighting
battles on multiple fronts.
766
00:43:00,633 --> 00:43:03,368
As the negative headlines
continued to engulf them,
767
00:43:03,393 --> 00:43:08,578
they became increasingly frustrated
with palace protocol.
768
00:43:08,712 --> 00:43:12,528
I think someone like Meghan,
who's always been very outspoken
769
00:43:12,553 --> 00:43:15,408
would have struggled very much
with not being able to comment
770
00:43:15,433 --> 00:43:18,007
and put out her version of events.
771
00:43:18,032 --> 00:43:20,757
This is not what
happens in Hollywood.
772
00:43:20,782 --> 00:43:23,408
Meghan couldn't do that as a member
of the Royal Family.
773
00:43:23,433 --> 00:43:28,728
And that would have
been maddening for her.
774
00:43:28,863 --> 00:43:31,807
Harry and Meghan's ongoing
battle with the media came
775
00:43:31,832 --> 00:43:35,218
to a head in February 2019,
when excerpts of a private letter
776
00:43:35,243 --> 00:43:40,478
sent from Meghan to her father
were published in the British press.
777
00:43:40,633 --> 00:43:43,248
This letter was such a watershed
moment and I think this
778
00:43:43,273 --> 00:43:46,528
was the point at which,
you know, this was the straw that
779
00:43:46,553 --> 00:43:50,168
broke the camel's back.
780
00:43:50,193 --> 00:43:52,578
And they announced that they
were going to fight back
781
00:43:52,603 --> 00:43:54,687
and that they were taking legal
action against associated
782
00:43:54,712 --> 00:43:57,968
newspapers.
783
00:43:57,993 --> 00:44:00,687
É
784
00:44:00,712 --> 00:44:03,328
é
785
00:44:03,353 --> 00:44:08,687
é
786
00:44:08,832 --> 00:44:12,937
And remember he hasn't even met
Prince Harry at this point.
787
00:44:12,962 --> 00:44:15,578
So there was a possibility that
had this gone to court.
788
00:44:15,603 --> 00:44:18,168
The first time he would have
met his son-in-law would have
789
00:44:18,193 --> 00:44:22,968
been in a courtroom.
790
00:44:22,993 --> 00:44:25,328
The whole thing was an absolute
nightmare, it was very,
791
00:44:25,353 --> 00:44:26,528
very high stakes.
792
00:44:26,553 --> 00:44:29,398
A recent ruling in the case went
in Meghan's favour but there's
793
00:44:29,423 --> 00:44:33,728
still a possibility they could end
up in court.
794
00:44:33,753 --> 00:44:40,608
There is one residual
issue over copyright.
795
00:44:40,753 --> 00:44:45,218
Um, and I think that certainly,
um, the Mail on Sunday
796
00:44:45,243 --> 00:44:47,368
and Associated Newspapers will be
pushing hard to try
797
00:44:47,393 --> 00:44:49,608
and get that to court.
798
00:44:49,633 --> 00:44:52,007
In the wake of their legal
action against a section
799
00:44:52,032 --> 00:44:53,937
of the British press,
Harry and Meghan announced
800
00:44:53,962 --> 00:44:57,807
they were taking a six-week break
from royal duties and heading
801
00:44:57,832 --> 00:45:02,168
to Canada to spend
Christmas with Doria.
802
00:45:02,193 --> 00:45:04,807
What you do sometimes
psychologically for yourself,
803
00:45:04,832 --> 00:45:07,248
is you remove yourself
from a situation that you find
804
00:45:07,273 --> 00:45:09,648
difficult and painful,
and put yourself in a space that
805
00:45:09,673 --> 00:45:17,398
you feel might be more nurturing
and safe and secure.
806
00:45:17,553 --> 00:45:21,968
Christmas is a very, very important
part in the Queen's calendar.
807
00:45:21,993 --> 00:45:26,118
Uh, she likes to draw
her family around her.
808
00:45:26,143 --> 00:45:29,007
She and Prince Philip were getting
older, they knew that there wouldn't
809
00:45:29,032 --> 00:45:33,298
be too many more Christmases
and they must've been disappointed.
810
00:45:33,323 --> 00:45:37,298
F
811
00:45:37,323 --> 00:45:39,648
F
812
00:45:39,673 --> 00:45:42,218
F
813
00:45:42,243 --> 00:45:44,608
Doria could not be, uh,
further away from the stuffiness
814
00:45:44,633 --> 00:45:48,858
of the senior members of the Royal
Family.
815
00:45:48,883 --> 00:45:51,968
Although the festivities
may have been relaxed,
816
00:45:51,993 --> 00:45:54,398
were decisions about the growing
divide between Harry,
817
00:45:54,423 --> 00:45:58,968
Meghan and the monarchy
being considered in Canada?
818
00:45:58,993 --> 00:46:01,807
I suspect that Meghan
uses her mother a great deal
819
00:46:01,832 --> 00:46:06,007
as a source of wisdom and advice,
I'd be astonished if during that
820
00:46:06,032 --> 00:46:09,757
time both she and Harry, no doubt.
821
00:46:09,782 --> 00:46:12,608
Um, hadn't spoken about the fact
that they actually wanted to step
822
00:46:12,633 --> 00:46:16,448
back as senior Royals.
823
00:46:16,473 --> 00:46:19,907
F
824
00:46:19,932 --> 00:46:25,478
é
825
00:46:25,633 --> 00:46:29,168
F
826
00:46:29,193 --> 00:46:31,858
F
827
00:46:31,883 --> 00:46:35,328
When Harry and Meghan returned
to Britain in January 2020 they made
828
00:46:35,353 --> 00:46:39,007
a shock announcement.
829
00:46:39,032 --> 00:46:41,368
In a statement released
in the last few minutes,
830
00:46:41,393 --> 00:46:44,007
they say they intend to step back
as senior members of
831
00:46:44,032 --> 00:46:48,418
the Royal Family and work to become
financially independent.
832
00:46:48,443 --> 00:46:52,608
The royal firm had been here before.
833
00:46:52,633 --> 00:46:56,038
It was an electric
moment in Royal history.
834
00:46:56,063 --> 00:46:59,118
Diana had essentially
left the Royal Family
835
00:46:59,143 --> 00:47:01,248
and before her Fergie,
Edward VIII left the Royal
836
00:47:01,273 --> 00:47:03,528
Family, he abdicated.
837
00:47:03,553 --> 00:47:08,288
Leaving the Royal Family
is possible, but it's messy.
838
00:47:08,313 --> 00:47:10,448
É
839
00:47:10,473 --> 00:47:13,528
é
840
00:47:13,553 --> 00:47:18,088
£
841
00:47:18,113 --> 00:47:22,248
The tabloids clubbed their decision
as Megxit and it sent shock waves
842
00:47:22,273 --> 00:47:24,887
through the Royal Family.
843
00:47:24,912 --> 00:47:27,687
I actually spoke to some colleagues
from the Royal household
844
00:47:27,712 --> 00:47:29,807
and we were all in absolute
disbelief that this
845
00:47:29,832 --> 00:47:34,288
had actually happened.
846
00:47:34,313 --> 00:47:39,687
Harry, I'm sure he felt,
he was freeing himself,
847
00:47:39,832 --> 00:47:42,468
but for his father and brother
and grandmother it probably felt
848
00:47:42,493 --> 00:47:44,388
like an act of vandalism
against the monarchy.
849
00:47:44,413 --> 00:47:51,687
They would have been both furious,
but equally heartbroken as well.
850
00:47:53,423 --> 00:47:55,578
Away from the Royal Family,
Meghan's supportive mother Doria
851
00:47:55,603 --> 00:47:59,288
treated the announcement
with the utmost discretion.
852
00:47:59,313 --> 00:48:03,728
I think Doria has acted in the most
regal way in all of this
853
00:48:03,753 --> 00:48:06,887
because the Royal way is to,
uh, don't complain
854
00:48:06,912 --> 00:48:09,528
and don't explain.
855
00:48:09,553 --> 00:48:12,648
And that's exactly what Doria did.
856
00:48:12,673 --> 00:48:15,578
However, the wider members
of the Markle family again
857
00:48:15,603 --> 00:48:18,088
talked to the press.
858
00:48:18,113 --> 00:48:21,398
Thomas Markle saying, oh, she,
she dumped her own family.
859
00:48:21,423 --> 00:48:24,648
Now she's going to dump
the Royal Family.
860
00:48:24,673 --> 00:48:29,168
F
861
00:48:29,193 --> 00:48:32,677
é
862
00:48:32,702 --> 00:48:34,498
F
863
00:48:34,523 --> 00:48:39,578
£
864
00:48:39,702 --> 00:48:41,807
In the Windsor household,
the Queen called an emergency
865
00:48:41,832 --> 00:48:43,807
meeting at Sandringham.
866
00:48:43,832 --> 00:48:47,578
Prince William was centre stage.
867
00:48:47,603 --> 00:48:52,137
It was an extraordinarily
awkward, family meeting.
868
00:48:52,162 --> 00:48:54,728
And, uh, there were reports that
William was actually less, um,
869
00:48:54,753 --> 00:48:57,968
inclined to negotiate.
870
00:48:57,993 --> 00:49:00,248
F
871
00:49:00,273 --> 00:49:02,608
é
872
00:49:02,633 --> 00:49:05,238
é
873
00:49:05,263 --> 00:49:09,157
The Queen and certainly
Prince William's view
874
00:49:09,182 --> 00:49:12,007
was that the Royal Family doesn't
work like that as an institution,
875
00:49:12,032 --> 00:49:14,137
you've got to be around
for the whole gig.
876
00:49:14,162 --> 00:49:15,608
You can't just pick and choose.
877
00:49:15,633 --> 00:49:18,648
The Queen issued a statement that
outlined a transition period
878
00:49:18,673 --> 00:49:22,118
to allow Harry and Meghan to step
back from their roles as senior
879
00:49:22,143 --> 00:49:27,368
members of the Royal Family.
880
00:49:27,523 --> 00:49:31,007
The Queen's statement
was obviously very much
881
00:49:31,032 --> 00:49:34,288
from her heart but at the same time,
it was very clean cut.
882
00:49:34,313 --> 00:49:36,398
You know, this is how
it is you're out.
883
00:49:36,423 --> 00:49:41,007
It's as simple as that.
884
00:49:41,032 --> 00:49:44,498
Preparations for their new life
could begin, but what would become
885
00:49:44,523 --> 00:49:49,448
of the broken union between Harry,
Meghan and the monarchy?
886
00:49:49,473 --> 00:49:53,307
Meghan and Harry seem to live
by the beach, you know,
887
00:49:53,332 --> 00:49:55,988
do yoga and it's a very different
life to the Windsors.
888
00:49:56,013 --> 00:50:00,629
And I don't think Harry will ever be
able to go back to that life.
889
00:50:00,654 --> 00:50:02,509
And how would life stateside
affect the dynamic
890
00:50:02,534 --> 00:50:07,709
between the two families?
891
00:50:15,324 --> 00:50:19,938
In January 2020, Harry,
Meghan and Archie left
892
00:50:19,963 --> 00:50:22,049
behind their Royal life and home
at Frogmore Cottage
893
00:50:22,074 --> 00:50:25,818
for a new life abroad.
894
00:50:25,843 --> 00:50:29,459
For Prince Harry it was a big
decision because, uh,
895
00:50:29,484 --> 00:50:32,049
Q
896
00:50:32,074 --> 00:50:33,329
leaving his friends, his family.
897
00:50:33,354 --> 00:50:35,938
He felt he had to get his
family out of Britain.
898
00:50:35,963 --> 00:50:38,539
He felt so angry and hurt
about the press and about
899
00:50:38,564 --> 00:50:45,709
the institution of the monarchy.
900
00:50:46,044 --> 00:50:49,069
After a brief stay in Canada,
Meghan and Harry settled
901
00:50:49,094 --> 00:50:51,349
in Santa Barbara in California,
a familiar glitzy
902
00:50:51,374 --> 00:50:55,658
surrounding for Meghan.
903
00:50:55,683 --> 00:51:00,069
Meghan and Harry live in Montecito,
which is a very posh, fancy enclave.
904
00:51:00,094 --> 00:51:03,349
I happened to live
there for four years.
905
00:51:03,374 --> 00:51:05,759
It's very private, we know that
Oprah is a neighbour,
906
00:51:05,784 --> 00:51:09,349
Katie Perry and Orlando Bloom,
they all live nearby.
907
00:51:09,374 --> 00:51:12,469
Montecito residents are very
protective of their own.
908
00:51:12,494 --> 00:51:14,399
They won't talk about
Harry and Meghan much
909
00:51:14,424 --> 00:51:17,868
to the press and I should know
because I've tried.
910
00:51:17,893 --> 00:51:20,219
She wanted to be around
the place she knew.
911
00:51:20,244 --> 00:51:23,788
Meghan didn't know hardly anyone
here in the UK and it can be a very
912
00:51:23,813 --> 00:51:27,759
lonely place in the palace.
913
00:51:27,784 --> 00:51:28,939
She didn't want that life.
914
00:51:28,964 --> 00:51:31,149
She wanted to be free.
915
00:51:31,174 --> 00:51:34,269
So I do feel Meghan had that
influence over Harry to say, look,
916
00:51:34,294 --> 00:51:38,829
I'm not happy with this and I'm
going to the States,
917
00:51:38,854 --> 00:51:42,399
that's what Meghan wanted
and that's what Meghan got.
918
00:51:42,424 --> 00:51:44,399
They reportedly bought
their nine-bed, 16-bath
919
00:51:44,424 --> 00:51:49,149
mansion for £112 million.
920
00:51:49,174 --> 00:51:52,479
They've seamlessly slipped
in to the Californian lifestyle,
921
00:51:52,504 --> 00:51:55,759
a million miles away
from the Windsor's world.
922
00:51:55,784 --> 00:52:00,469
Their friends are not going to be
members of the aristocracy
923
00:52:00,494 --> 00:52:03,399
with wonderful estates in Scotland
to shoot grouse on, but Hollywood
924
00:52:03,424 --> 00:52:07,988
and a celebrity culture.
925
00:52:08,013 --> 00:52:10,709
Oprah Winfrey is a friend of Meghan
and Meghan's mother,
926
00:52:10,734 --> 00:52:14,069
they're friends with the Clooneys,
they're making connections
927
00:52:14,094 --> 00:52:18,549
all over Tinseltown.
928
00:52:18,574 --> 00:52:20,658
F
929
00:52:20,683 --> 00:52:23,219
F
930
00:52:23,244 --> 00:52:27,788
é
931
00:52:27,813 --> 00:52:30,908
F
932
00:52:30,933 --> 00:52:33,788
é
933
00:52:33,813 --> 00:52:41,813
é
934
00:52:42,094 --> 00:52:44,709
Meghan and Harry seem to live
by the beach, you know,
935
00:52:44,734 --> 00:52:49,549
do yoga and It's a very different
life to the Windsors.
936
00:52:49,574 --> 00:52:52,399
What tore Harry from the British
people was Meghan Markle
937
00:52:52,424 --> 00:52:57,409
and the decision to move to Los
Angeles.
938
00:52:57,554 --> 00:53:00,908
Meghan never lost that desire to be
a star and returning to LA
939
00:53:00,933 --> 00:53:08,933
and Hollywood was what she wanted.
940
00:53:15,714 --> 00:53:17,809
The move has only deepened
the divide between Harry
941
00:53:17,834 --> 00:53:19,049
and Meghan and the Monarchy.
942
00:53:19,074 --> 00:53:21,449
Meghan's mother Doria is nowjust
a 90-minute drive away,
943
00:53:21,474 --> 00:53:23,838
a stark contrast to over 5,000 miles
from the Windsors.
944
00:53:23,863 --> 00:53:29,249
Harry loves Charles,
they clearly have a strong bond,
945
00:53:29,404 --> 00:53:33,888
now they are literally not as close
as they used to be.
946
00:53:33,913 --> 00:53:36,489
I think they are staying in touch
over Skype and Zoom,
947
00:53:36,514 --> 00:53:38,199
but it's not the same, is it?
948
00:53:38,224 --> 00:53:41,279
I'm sure it pains Charles
that he will not have an active role
949
00:53:41,304 --> 00:53:44,088
in the upbringing of Archie.
950
00:53:44,113 --> 00:53:46,559
Harry seems to have an absolutely
brilliant relationship with Doria.
951
00:53:46,584 --> 00:53:48,768
And there's no doubt
that Meghan and Doria
952
00:53:48,793 --> 00:53:53,659
are closer geographically,
physically, um, perhaps emotionally,
953
00:53:53,684 --> 00:53:57,189
as well than they ever have been.
954
00:53:57,214 --> 00:54:01,379
É
955
00:54:01,404 --> 00:54:03,739
é
956
00:54:03,764 --> 00:54:06,659
é
957
00:54:06,684 --> 00:54:11,169
é
958
00:54:11,194 --> 00:54:16,919
é
959
00:54:17,074 --> 00:54:21,329
But could Harry and Meghan's plan
to build their brand and become
960
00:54:21,354 --> 00:54:23,279
financially independent
from the Windsors push
961
00:54:23,304 --> 00:54:27,968
the families even further apart?
962
00:54:27,993 --> 00:54:31,379
They recently released a promotional
video for their Podcast with Spotify
963
00:54:31,404 --> 00:54:36,838
which reportedly looks set to bring
them in around £30 million.
964
00:54:36,993 --> 00:54:39,809
MEGHAN: We created Archewell Audio
to make sure we can elevate voices
965
00:54:39,834 --> 00:54:43,199
that maybe aren't being heard
and hear people's stories.
966
00:54:43,224 --> 00:54:46,049
And the biggest part of this
is trying to create this community
967
00:54:46,074 --> 00:54:49,609
of where you can share.
968
00:54:49,634 --> 00:54:52,018
Their biggest and perhaps most
lucrative signing is with Netflix,
969
00:54:52,043 --> 00:54:55,768
rumoured to be worth
over £100 million.
970
00:54:55,793 --> 00:54:59,018
But will the inevitable
publicity from their deals,
971
00:54:59,043 --> 00:55:02,838
be seen as a step too far
by the firm?
972
00:55:02,863 --> 00:55:04,919
Effectively, the money
that they are being paid
973
00:55:04,944 --> 00:55:08,689
is because of their platform,
as royalty as members
974
00:55:08,714 --> 00:55:13,768
of the Royal Family,
and that's quite tricky.
975
00:55:13,913 --> 00:55:16,529
People always want the most
compulsive viewing and the things
976
00:55:16,554 --> 00:55:24,088
that are going to command the most
column inches and effectively
977
00:55:24,224 --> 00:55:26,088
that then translates
into dollars, are those personal
978
00:55:26,113 --> 00:55:27,169
and intimate revelations.
979
00:55:27,194 --> 00:55:29,529
So I think that will be
a very tricky tightrope
980
00:55:29,554 --> 00:55:32,129
for the couple to walk.
981
00:55:32,154 --> 00:55:34,729
They've created a new standard
and that is one to exploit
982
00:55:34,754 --> 00:55:37,888
themselves for profit.
983
00:55:37,913 --> 00:55:45,659
Meghan is creating a new form
of celebrity for herself by securing
984
00:55:45,793 --> 00:55:52,689
deals with media conglomerates
in the tens and hundreds of millions
985
00:55:52,834 --> 00:55:55,409
of dollars sets her on a path
to unparalleled stardom.
986
00:55:55,434 --> 00:56:02,088
Let's not be surprised
if you see her return to acting.
987
00:56:02,224 --> 00:56:08,169
This here, right there is the house
from the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air...
988
00:56:08,304 --> 00:56:10,888
However, in February 2021
it was Harry, not Meghan who took
989
00:56:10,913 --> 00:56:13,838
centre stage on CBS in America.
990
00:56:13,863 --> 00:56:16,088
Haz - how's your tour of LA going?
991
00:56:16,113 --> 00:56:19,169
Haz, I didn't know we were
calling you Haz now.
992
00:56:19,194 --> 00:56:22,609
F
993
00:56:22,634 --> 00:56:26,479
é
994
00:56:26,504 --> 00:56:28,888
In an unprecedented move,
he gave a candid TV interview
995
00:56:28,913 --> 00:56:33,729
to his long-term friend James
Corden.
996
00:56:33,754 --> 00:56:38,369
Interestingly, my grandmother asked
us what Archie wanted for Christmas
997
00:56:38,394 --> 00:56:43,329
and Meg said a waffle maker,
she sent us a waffle maker.
998
00:56:43,354 --> 00:56:48,309
I think it's quite tricky for Harry
because we know that one
999
00:56:48,334 --> 00:56:51,619
of the things that he found very
uncomfortable was
1000
00:56:51,644 --> 00:56:53,129
the press coverage.
1001
00:56:53,154 --> 00:56:55,179
He's then talking
about his personal life.
1002
00:56:55,204 --> 00:56:58,028
He's talking about his grandparents
and that is going to be written
1003
00:56:58,053 --> 00:56:59,098
all around the world.
1004
00:56:59,123 --> 00:57:03,699
It's going to be turned
into more clickbait.
1005
00:57:03,724 --> 00:57:06,309
By choosing to do these interviews,
it frankly just encourages more
1006
00:57:06,334 --> 00:57:10,309
of that stuff to be written.
1007
00:57:10,334 --> 00:57:12,898
Harry, in a bombshell move,
also spoke openly about his move
1008
00:57:12,923 --> 00:57:15,819
away from the Royal Family.
1009
00:57:15,844 --> 00:57:22,459
It was stepping back
rather than stepping down.
1010
00:57:22,594 --> 00:57:24,669
It was a really difficult
environment, as I think
1011
00:57:24,694 --> 00:57:25,898
a lot of people saw.
1012
00:57:25,923 --> 00:57:28,978
We all know what the British press
can be like, and it was
1013
00:57:29,003 --> 00:57:30,059
destroying my mental health.
1014
00:57:30,084 --> 00:57:32,699
The actions of Harry and Meghan
in the United States goes
1015
00:57:32,724 --> 00:57:36,539
against the very grain
of the Royal rule book.
1016
00:57:36,564 --> 00:57:39,699
At the very core of this
brand building exercise
1017
00:57:39,724 --> 00:57:41,978
is not Harry, it's Meghan.
1018
00:57:42,003 --> 00:57:48,059
There is a delicious irony
where they live in Los Angeles,
1019
00:57:48,204 --> 00:57:50,949
the heart of the paparazzi,
at the same time in London,
1020
00:57:50,974 --> 00:57:54,018
they're fighting these legal
arguments and that must not be lost
1021
00:57:54,043 --> 00:58:00,768
on the Royal Family itself, it's
almost cringe-worthy to an extent.
1022
00:58:00,923 --> 00:58:03,848
As they embark on this brand
building exercise we're only
1023
00:58:03,873 --> 00:58:05,569
going to see earthquake
after earthquake shattering
1024
00:58:05,594 --> 00:58:08,848
Buckingham Palace.
1025
00:58:08,873 --> 00:58:11,459
F
1026
00:58:11,484 --> 00:58:14,768
£
1027
00:58:14,793 --> 00:58:17,098
é
1028
00:58:17,123 --> 00:58:20,179
F
1029
00:58:20,204 --> 00:58:23,129
I think that there were people
who truly wish them well,
1030
00:58:23,154 --> 00:58:26,768
but of course there were also people
who wanted to poke holes
1031
00:58:26,793 --> 00:58:34,793
into their love affair and bring out
as much dirt as they could.
1032
00:58:38,873 --> 00:58:42,179
I think they found a way to say,
you know what, enough is enough.
1033
00:58:42,204 --> 00:58:43,898
We refuse to be pillars of abuse.
1034
00:58:43,923 --> 00:58:46,018
Then on the 14th February
2021 they made another
1035
00:58:46,043 --> 00:58:47,129
surprise announcement.
1036
00:58:47,154 --> 00:58:50,898
F
1037
00:58:50,923 --> 00:58:53,619
F
1038
00:58:53,644 --> 00:58:56,699
And in the days that followed,
a war of words erupted between Harry
1039
00:58:56,724 --> 00:58:59,339
and Meghan and the monarchy.
1040
00:58:59,364 --> 00:59:02,539
Taking part in such a high profile
interview with somebody
1041
00:59:02,564 --> 00:59:04,419
like Oprah Winfrey won't
improve relations with the
1042
00:59:04,444 --> 00:59:07,768
Royal Family at all.
1043
00:59:07,793 --> 00:59:13,739
The Queen had no choice,
but to strip them of the titles.
1044
00:59:22,354 --> 00:59:24,649
On Valentine's Day 2021, Meghan
and Harry announced their second
1045
00:59:24,674 --> 00:59:27,519
pregnancy to the world.
1046
00:59:27,544 --> 00:59:31,878
It was clear yet again
they were doing things their way.
1047
00:59:31,903 --> 00:59:35,369
There's a new baby on the way,
which is amazing news,
1048
00:59:35,394 --> 00:59:37,969
but I think that is going to,
in some respects, draw
1049
00:59:37,994 --> 00:59:41,209
them further apart.
1050
00:59:41,234 --> 00:59:43,849
They're going to spend most
of their time in the US
1051
00:59:43,874 --> 00:59:45,769
and they want to make
their life there.
1052
00:59:45,794 --> 00:59:49,048
F
1053
00:59:49,073 --> 00:59:53,519
F
1054
00:59:53,544 --> 00:59:56,008
é
1055
00:59:56,033 --> 00:59:59,619
£
1056
00:59:59,644 --> 01:00:01,489
Increasingly one wonders how
much influence the Royal
1057
01:00:01,514 --> 01:00:03,928
Family will even have.
1058
01:00:03,953 --> 01:00:11,953
The Royals are going to become
distant relatives I suspect.
1059
01:00:14,464 --> 01:00:17,689
A year on from the bombshell
announcement that Harry and Meghan
1060
01:00:17,714 --> 01:00:19,619
would be moving away
from the Royal Family,
1061
01:00:19,644 --> 01:00:24,969
they made it clear they would be
staying in California.
1062
01:00:25,104 --> 01:00:27,008
Harry and Meghan's exit
from the Royal Family
1063
01:00:27,033 --> 01:00:31,899
ended today as it began
with considerable acrimony.
1064
01:00:31,924 --> 01:00:34,079
Buckingham Palace confirmed
that the couple would be stripped
1065
01:00:34,104 --> 01:00:36,969
of all their honorary titles
and royal patronages,
1066
01:00:36,994 --> 01:00:41,159
including Harry's military titles
and Meghan's role as Vice President
1067
01:00:41,184 --> 01:00:44,128
of the Queen's Commonwealth Trust.
1068
01:00:44,153 --> 01:00:48,689
I think Harry wanted it both ways.
1069
01:00:48,714 --> 01:00:53,258
He wanted to be able to live a life
free of responsibility,
1070
01:00:53,283 --> 01:00:58,689
but still make change,
and the reality was The Sussexes
1071
01:00:58,823 --> 01:01:02,849
in another country, are isolated
from what everything
1072
01:01:02,874 --> 01:01:10,769
the Royal Family means and that puts
the Royal Family at peril.
1073
01:01:10,903 --> 01:01:14,489
So the Queen had no choice,
but to strip them of the titles.
1074
01:01:14,514 --> 01:01:17,689
Within minutes of the Buckingham
Palace announcement,
1075
01:01:17,714 --> 01:01:19,798
Harry and Meghan responded,
stating that they "remain committed
1076
01:01:19,823 --> 01:01:22,928
to their duty and service."
1077
01:01:22,953 --> 01:01:25,258
Their quick fire response
was reportedly deemed disrespectful
1078
01:01:25,283 --> 01:01:28,928
by Palace officials.
1079
01:01:28,953 --> 01:01:32,439
I think Charles and William,
and certainly the courtiers
1080
01:01:32,464 --> 01:01:34,569
at the Palace, felt that Meghan
and Harry's pushback
1081
01:01:34,594 --> 01:01:37,439
was disrespectful.
1082
01:01:37,464 --> 01:01:38,489
It was petulant.
1083
01:01:38,514 --> 01:01:39,569
It was resentful.
1084
01:01:39,594 --> 01:01:42,519
Um, and as one said to me,
you don't disrespect your granny.
1085
01:01:42,544 --> 01:01:46,719
Just days earlier, Harry and Meghan
had shot an intimate tell-all
1086
01:01:46,744 --> 01:01:49,849
television interview
with their friend and broadcast
1087
01:01:49,874 --> 01:01:52,329
legend, Oprah Winfrey.
1088
01:01:52,354 --> 01:01:54,489
Then in the days building
up to the broadcast,
1089
01:01:54,514 --> 01:01:58,289
newspapers claimed that Meghan now
faced a serious bullying
1090
01:01:58,314 --> 01:02:02,409
complaint against her whilst
at Kensington Palace.
1091
01:02:02,434 --> 01:02:05,359
Her spokesperson said that she was
saddened by the reports.
1092
01:02:05,384 --> 01:02:10,409
Relations appeared to have
finally hit rock bottom.
1093
01:02:10,544 --> 01:02:13,079
The $6 million question,
though, is just how far
1094
01:02:13,104 --> 01:02:15,969
Meghan is going to go,
the full truth as she sees it
1095
01:02:15,994 --> 01:02:18,609
would be highly explosive but it
would certainly burn all bridges
1096
01:02:18,634 --> 01:02:23,409
with the institution
she has left behind.
1097
01:02:23,434 --> 01:02:26,289
Whilst the news reportedly came
as a surprise to the Royal Family,
1098
01:02:26,314 --> 01:02:27,928
excerpts from the ground-breaking
interview were later
1099
01:02:27,953 --> 01:02:30,798
teased in the media.
1100
01:02:30,823 --> 01:02:33,649
I'm just really relieved and happy
to be here, talking to you,
1101
01:02:33,674 --> 01:02:40,359
with my wife by my side.
1102
01:02:40,514 --> 01:02:43,048
Because it has been unbelievably
tough for the two of us,
1103
01:02:43,073 --> 01:02:44,769
but at least we had each other.
1104
01:02:44,794 --> 01:02:47,649
Questions will be asked that will be
uncomfortable for the Royal Family.
1105
01:02:47,674 --> 01:02:50,248
Not for Meghan - she's open,
she's honest and she doesn't
1106
01:02:50,273 --> 01:02:56,689
care about that impact.
1107
01:02:56,823 --> 01:02:59,209
The interview's scheduled broadcast
date has caused another row -
1108
01:02:59,234 --> 01:03:01,849
with 99-year-old Prince Philip ill
in hospital, the timing has been
1109
01:03:01,874 --> 01:03:03,489
criticised by the media,
including Piers Morgan
1110
01:03:03,514 --> 01:03:04,569
on Good Morning Britain.
1111
01:03:04,594 --> 01:03:06,928
And, I'm sorry, I think we're
entitled to say this
1112
01:03:06,953 --> 01:03:08,209
is incredibly distasteful.
1113
01:03:08,234 --> 01:03:10,609
To be doing this kind
of confessional in which they're
1114
01:03:10,634 --> 01:03:13,248
bound to be critical
of the Royal Family and the monarchy
1115
01:03:13,273 --> 01:03:16,159
at a time when his grandfather
is in hospital and clearly quite
1116
01:03:16,184 --> 01:03:19,769
seriously ill, otherwise he wouldn't
be in there for two weeks.
1117
01:03:19,794 --> 01:03:22,048
It does smack of hypocrisy.
1118
01:03:22,073 --> 01:03:24,329
Taking part in an interview,
such a high profile interview
1119
01:03:24,354 --> 01:03:31,798
won't improve relations
with the Royal Family at all.
1120
01:03:31,953 --> 01:03:34,289
In the days leading up
to the broadcast, new revelations
1121
01:03:34,314 --> 01:03:36,159
from the interview exposed
the increasingly bitter war
1122
01:03:36,184 --> 01:03:41,159
between Meghan and the monarchy.
1123
01:03:41,924 --> 01:03:46,539
How do you feel about the palace
hearing you speak your truth today?
1124
01:03:46,564 --> 01:03:49,409
F
1125
01:03:49,434 --> 01:03:52,289
é
1126
01:03:52,314 --> 01:04:00,209
F
1127
01:04:00,354 --> 01:04:03,209
It's almost like Prince Harry
is driving a wedge with a sledge
1128
01:04:03,234 --> 01:04:07,128
hammer through his relationship
with Prince William.
1129
01:04:07,153 --> 01:04:11,248
William, as a staunch advocate
of everything that the Royal Family
1130
01:04:11,273 --> 01:04:16,079
means, is obviously going
to be dragged into this.
1131
01:04:16,104 --> 01:04:17,998
I expect this interview
not only to reverberate
1132
01:04:18,023 --> 01:04:20,128
through the United States
and England, but to rock
1133
01:04:20,153 --> 01:04:28,153
the establishment at its very core.
1134
01:04:30,434 --> 01:04:32,998
Could Harry and Meghan's fallout
with the monarchy leave its mark
1135
01:04:33,023 --> 01:04:35,639
for decades to come?
1136
01:04:35,664 --> 01:04:36,928
It's like a war.
1137
01:04:36,953 --> 01:04:39,289
I don't believe Harry would be
outside the Royal Family
1138
01:04:39,314 --> 01:04:43,998
except for marrying Meghan Markle.
1139
01:04:44,023 --> 01:04:51,128
They've lost a critical component
of what the Royal Family
1140
01:04:51,273 --> 01:04:53,609
represented, the British people had
an affinity with Harry, now
1141
01:04:53,634 --> 01:04:55,969
to divorce himself from that family
really is an abandonment
1142
01:04:55,994 --> 01:05:02,489
of what he was born into.
1143
01:05:02,634 --> 01:05:05,439
What began as a breath of fresh air
cascaded into a series
1144
01:05:05,464 --> 01:05:07,329
of family conflicts,
controversies and trouble for Harry
1145
01:05:07,354 --> 01:05:13,209
and Meghan and the monarchy.
1146
01:05:13,354 --> 01:05:19,998
These are family stories
that are complicated,
1147
01:05:20,153 --> 01:05:23,329
run deep, if people feel very hurt
and betrayed and they feel
1148
01:05:23,354 --> 01:05:24,969
that this relationship
is broken beyond repair,
1149
01:05:24,994 --> 01:05:27,849
then that might be the reality.
1150
01:05:27,874 --> 01:05:30,209
Harry and William, you know,
they've reached a bad place
1151
01:05:30,234 --> 01:05:31,289
in their relationship.
1152
01:05:31,314 --> 01:05:33,439
And one can only hope
that they build bridges
1153
01:05:33,464 --> 01:05:38,248
going forward because the only
losers in all this will be them.
1154
01:05:38,273 --> 01:05:40,889
F
1155
01:05:40,914 --> 01:05:44,719
F
1156
01:05:44,744 --> 01:05:48,439
é
1157
01:05:48,464 --> 01:05:51,719
F
1158
01:05:51,744 --> 01:05:55,048
I think that in the initial stage,
there was a fairy tale about this,
1159
01:05:55,073 --> 01:06:02,529
but that fairy tale
was quickly shattered.
1160
01:06:02,664 --> 01:06:06,689
I think it's a real lost opportunity
for the Royal Family
1161
01:06:06,714 --> 01:06:09,079
that they couldn't make it work,
that...that...that Meghan couldn't
1162
01:06:09,104 --> 01:06:12,489
become an integral part
of the future of the monarchy
1163
01:06:12,514 --> 01:06:15,329
the Monarchy could be seen to be
so much more inclusive, modern,
1164
01:06:15,354 --> 01:06:21,889
moving with the times...
1165
01:06:21,994 --> 01:06:22,998
Evolving.
1166
01:06:23,023 --> 01:06:25,048
I think it is, uh, extremely sad.
1167
01:06:25,073 --> 01:06:27,439
É
1168
01:06:27,464 --> 01:06:30,079
é
1169
01:06:30,104 --> 01:06:34,439
F
1170
01:06:34,464 --> 01:06:40,279
é
1171
01:06:40,434 --> 01:06:43,769
F
1172
01:06:43,794 --> 01:06:45,689
F
1173
01:06:45,714 --> 01:06:48,769
Meghan's Hollywood background
Meghan's expectations
1174
01:06:48,794 --> 01:06:53,798
as a celebrity, would have hit
the Royal Family like a hurricane.
1175
01:06:53,914 --> 01:06:55,359
And now look where we are.
1176
01:06:55,384 --> 01:07:02,439
It had the potential to be
so much better than in fact
1177
01:07:02,554 --> 01:07:10,554
it turned out to be.
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