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[whimsical music playing]
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[man]
I moved to Utah around 1974.
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I'd been thrown out of college already,
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as an undesirable,
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with a 0.6 GPA.
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And, uh, I moved out here to ski.
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And that was just my raison d'être.
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It was more like,
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I was a skier
that happened to be a lawyer,
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as opposed to
a lawyer that happened to ski.
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[chuckles] So it's just me
drinking wine in the evening
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and having to run in the morning two miles
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so I can get to work
and at least be a little bushy-tailed.
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-[woman] Come on.
-[D'Elia] We've got everybody else.
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[man] I had worked with Gerry on cases.
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Quite a character.
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I know what you bought that for, Gerry.
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-[D'Elia] For porno.
-That's right.
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[man] He's brash. He's outspoken.
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-But he's gotta practice so he gets good.
-[D'Elia] We looked rather professional.
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Yes.
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He doesn't fit the Salt Lake City mold.
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[D'Elia] This is Mike George.
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Just about to get
some fantastic information.
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[George now] Gerry was on the arson team,
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and bombs fell under arson.
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And, uh, Monday, Monday evening,
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oh, I drank a little bit,
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so I'm a little hungover coming into work.
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The radio was on,
and I heard that there was a bombing,
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and I knew that that was
probably gonna be assigned to me.
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Um…
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One of the things
that I did remember mentioning
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is that,
"It's a beautiful day for a bombing."
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[suspenseful music playing]
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[mechanical humming]
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A lot goes on in the first couple
of hours of the investigation that,
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as a prosecutor
that might have to argue the case,
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you want to see everything,
get a picture of it.
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-[camera shutter clicking]
-Went to the Judge Building.
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Doors are blown open,
debris scattered all over the place.
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I walked right over to Steve Christensen,
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and he was lying there.
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His, uh, chest had been ripped apart.
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And I just kind of stood there
for a while and took the scene in,
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so that it would form
a mental impression for a later date.
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[woman]
Investigators were gathering evidence
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when they got word
of the second explosion.
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The scene was
the Holladay home of Gary Sheets,
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a former business associate
of Christensen's.
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[D'Elia] Within the hour,
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there was a call
that another bomb had exploded.
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I went over,
and there's Kathy Sheets lying there.
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-[camera shutter clicking]
-At this stage of the game,
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we're worried.
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We got somebody running around,
planting bombs.
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We don't know who it is,
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we have no suspects,
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and we were rather worried
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that somebody else
might get injured or killed.
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[ominous music playing]
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-[siren wailing]
-[helicopter blades whirring]
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At the time, I didn't know anything
about the history of, uh, Mormonism.
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I didn't know anything
about any Mormon documents.
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I knew nothing about what deals
were gonna be going on.
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Knew nothing about the Church.
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But when Mark Hofmann was bombed,
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I learned my Mormon there.
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[man] Mark Hofmann lies
in critical condition at LDS Hospital.
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Witnesses say his body was badly mangled
when his car exploded today.
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[man 2] A witness said he rushed
to his aid and gave Hofmann a blessing.
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He was wearing the LDS garment,
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and, uh, I took out my oil,
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uh, consecrated oil
that I usually carry with me,
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and I commanded him to live
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and that proper medical help
would get to him quickly, which it did.
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-You commanded him to live?
-I commanded him to live.
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[man 2] Investigators searched
Hofmann's bombed-out car,
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found documents
possibly belonging to Hofmann.
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[D'Elia] We started getting
into a lot of Mormon documents
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going on with Mark Hofmann.
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We're starting to learn such things
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as there's Salamander letters out there.
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[man 1]
Last year, Hofmann sold a document
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known as the White Salamander letter,
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to the men who were
the apparent targets of the first attack.
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The valuable and controversial
letter suggesting that the Mormon Church
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was founded on doctrine
delivered by a spirit
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in the form of a white salamander.
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There was the McLellin Collection.
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[man 2] When officers searched
Mark Hofmann's car
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and found a collection believed to be
early Mormon historical documents.
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[woman] They're the McLellin Collection,
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books, diaries, revelations
from the era of Joseph Smith.
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[man 3] They're rumored to concern
the origins of the Mormon Church.
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Yes, there are a large number of,
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what we feel, very expensive documents
in the automobile and found in the trunk.
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[D'Elia] That's when we started
realizing that the Church was in play.
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And that something's
really, really wrong here.
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For the last several months,
Hofmann has been telling associates
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that Gordon B. Hinckley, Second Counselor
in the LDS Church's First Presidency,
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had agreed to buy the so-called
McLellin papers for $300,000.
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One thing appears certain.
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Alvin Rust, the man who describes himself
as Mark Hofmann's silent partner,
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believed Gordon Hinckley
would be the buyer.
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[George]
When we interviewed Gordon Hinckley,
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I asked him,
"Is there some record you have
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of your meetings with Mark Hofmann?"
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And he said,
"No, I don't keep anything like that."
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Which I found very, very hard to believe.
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We have followed the normal,
accepted and professional procedures
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employed by collectors generally,
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which have been legal
and ethical in every respect
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insofar as we have been able to determine.
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[George]
It became apparent that the Church
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was hindering our investigation.
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[man 1] The official Church response said
the Church hasn't suppressed information
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but has been open
about its dealings with Hofmann.
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President Hinckley said
the Church acquired some 40 documents
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through Mark Hofmann since 1980.
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Mr. Hofmann indicated he had access
to what he called the McLellin Collection.
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People who wanted to protect the Church
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didn't want
this document to come to light.
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-[monitor beeping]
-And it could've given a lot of reason
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that Mark Hofmann
would be murdered over.
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[man 2] Mark Hofmann is undergoing
surgery tonight at LDS Hospital.
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Police are keeping a close watch.
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Welcome to Haus Hofmann.
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I'm William Hofmann,
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and this is my wife Lucy,
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Lucille Sears Hofmann.
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We're here tonight to…
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We're gonna talk a little bit about our…
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uh, recollections of our life,
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and what else?
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What's happened to us up to now.
Hope we have a few more years to go.
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So let's take off our coat
and get to work.
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[Tanner] Mark Hofmann was raised
in a very faithful, devout Mormon home.
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In Utah,
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the whole culture around him
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would have been
everything relating to Mormonism.
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Be faithful and true in the gospel.
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[Tanner] It was a very controlled,
religious environment.
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[Lucille] This is when Mark
got his Eagle Scout award.
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We were really proud of him.
He was 14 years old.
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[William] This is Mesita Pepita Winky.
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She was our dog.
We had her…
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[Lucille] This is Dorie and Mark
on their wedding day.
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They were married in the Salt Lake Temple.
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[Dorie]
I got married when I was almost 21.
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He picked me up.
We drove to the temple.
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His family was close.
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His dad was really strict.
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[Metcalfe] Being raised LDS
is an interesting experience.
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Mark told me about, uh, his father, Bill,
coming over to the home one night
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and saw some
children's books on the floor,
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and they were books about dinosaurs.
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And he became visibly upset
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that they would have books
that promoted evolution.
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Those were very fundamental core issues,
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and that was his dad.
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[William] Our Father in Heaven
has much love for us.
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We had some beautiful experiences
in our lives.
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Mark grew up in a time period
when many young people,
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if they differed
from their parents on something,
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didn't necessarily show it.
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So Mark followed
the normal Latter-Day Saints tradition,
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where young men in particular
advocated for the Church
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on what was called a mission.
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[rain pouring]
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[man]
When we are preparing to go on a mission,
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and all of us were out,
away from our homes for the first time,
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it's a questioning time for everyone.
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[rain pouring]
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[thunder rumbles]
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[uneasy music plays]
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[Measom] A lot of the early missionaries
from the Church in the 1800s
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had spent time in the Manchester area.
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And so there were lots of libraries,
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used-book stores,
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and it was really a great place
to look for old Mormon literature.
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And Mark explained to me
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how he was able to walk into a bookstore
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and very quickly
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identify any books
that were important to him.
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He knew what size they were,
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what colors they were,
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if it was a book that was beat up,
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didn't have a cover on it.
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And that's where Mark found
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many of the old, rare LDS books
that were there.
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[suspenseful music playing]
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In England, you could still find
19th-century pamphlets and books
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that would be hard to find
in the United States.
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And some of the materials that existed
in England attacked the Church.
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So Mark began to read
the anti-Mormon publications,
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and was beginning to create a narrative
in his mind of the Church and its history
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that was different from the tradition.
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When Mark explained to me
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some of the topics
that he was researching,
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he realized there were
a lot of false narratives propagated
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by some of the brethren
to hide the truth.
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And he was asking me,
"What do you think…
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about lying for the Lord?"
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[typewriter clacking]
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[Richard Turley]
He kept a box under his bed,
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in which he kept materials that were
not necessarily friendly to the Church.
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He would tape the box up,
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and he would put his signature
across the tape.
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He was worried about somebody
opening the box without him knowing it,
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and he did that constantly throughout
his mission, sending books like this.
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[ominous music playing]
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-[man 1] Yeah.
-[man 2] Yeah.
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[man 1] You got copies of the stuff?
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-[man 2] What we need.
-[D'Elia] We're gonna do the whole thing.
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Speak.
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We took a conference room over,
and we kind of called it the "war room."
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-Are you on hold?
-I'm on hold.
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[D'Elia] God bless America.
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It was where we would all kick theories,
evidence amongst each other
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and formulate a lot of our decisions
on how we're going to go about things,
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who to interview, where to go.
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-[woman] How do I shut it off?
-[D'Elia] Press the same thing.
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[George] Early on in the investigation,
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other people that were involved
with the Church,
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as well as the document community,
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were coming to light,
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and all of those people
were potential suspects.
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[TV show theme plays]
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Brent Metcalfe is a research historian
of Mormon documents.
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[Metcalfe now]
Well, the way that the police put it to me
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is everyone's a suspect until they aren't.
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And so, of course,
I'm going to be on the list.
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I hope you'll forgive me
for asking a very blunt question,
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but it's one that needs to be asked.
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Did you have anything to do
with the bombings yourself?
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Uh, no, uh, that's…
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That's not a…
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It's a blunt question,
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but one that I've been asked
fairly frequently since all this began.
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And, not at all.
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Steve Christensen was one of the most
loving people you could ever meet,
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and I just can't even imagine
the type of mindset
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that would be needed to do the type
of brutal killings that have been done.
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-And you don't know who might be involved?
-No, I don't.
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[man] This will be a taped conversation
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taking place at the office
of the Salt Lake County Attorney.
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Interviewee will be Brent Metcalfe.
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Early on, I was interviewed
more than you can possibly believe.
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[man]
Going on to tape number three, side A,
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a continuation
of Brent Metcalfe's interview.
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[woman] This is tape number seven
of the interview with Brent Metcalfe.
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[man] Tape number 13…
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And that's why I had to go in
and take a lie-detector test.
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And I passed, of course.
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Let's see, who else was there?
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People like Al Rust,
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who had helped finance
the McLellin Collection.
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I thought the Church had it.
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They thought I had it.
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The police would come in every day
and asked every question from A to Z.
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I wasn't aware of it
until I called the LDS Church.
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They said they couldn't tell me everything
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but shared little things
that they were doing getting evidence.
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I didn't even know why.
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[Metcalfe] I think that there were
some of us that they basically
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kind of removed from the list.
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Shannon wasn't.
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Um, Shannon Flynn is in our studio.
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Shannon, would you stand up
for a second, please?
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Now, you are a close associate
of Mark Hofmann's
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and involved
in some of his business dealings.
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I have to ask you
the same question I asked Brent.
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Are you involved in any way
in the bombings?
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In no way whatsoever.
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[man 1] It's only been a few hours,
but what do we know about Flynn?
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[man 2] LDS Church historians say
they never bought anything from Flynn,
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but that he was often seen with Hofmann
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when Hofmann had business
with Church officials.
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Flynn says he was with Hofmann as late as
10:00 p.m. the night before the bombings.
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[interviewer] Explain to me,
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you were with him
the night before the bombings.
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-Was not.
-You were not?
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[taps chair rhythmically] No. No.
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Do you know what Mark was doing
the night before the bombings?
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No. [ahem]
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When was the last time
you saw Mark prior to the bombings?
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Well, my mind's very thin,
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but it could have been during the daytime.
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But a phone call or see him,
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but I don't know.
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So that's possible, sure.
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Do you have any idea who is involved?
Are Mormon documents in the middle of it?
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Personally, I don't think so.
I think this is an exercise in futility
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upon the part
of the law enforcement community.
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They've spent a large amount of time
investigating an interesting subject,
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but one that I don't think necessarily
has anything to do with the murders.
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Do you have any idea
who is involved in the bombings?
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Behind it?
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Well, if I did,
I'd be the first one to tell.
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I have no idea.
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[D'Elia] The problem that I had
with people like Shannon is,
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most of these people are gonna
tell you only what they want to tell you.
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They're not necessarily going to be
forthright or tell you the truth.
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[woman] Flynn's knowledge of the business
led investigators to believe
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he may be involved
in the bombing deaths of two people.
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[Flynn] I was being interviewed
on the Friday night after the bombings,
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and I was there for hours.
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I was trying to convince them
that I didn't do anything.
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[man] Over the last year,
family and friends say
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Shannon spent a lot of time
with this man, Mark Hofmann,
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collecting and selling
LDS historical documents.
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[Metcalfe] I knew Shannon was very much
into Soldier of Fortune type of things.
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And he was very good
with a butterfly knife.
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I remember Shannon showing me
how to use one one night.
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Uh, but Shannon was probably
one of Mark's closest friends.
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And I had a sense that he knew information
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about Mark's document dealings and so on
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that others of us didn't know.
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[exciting 80's music playing]
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[Flynn] At that time, I was working
with Mark full time for a living.
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I always carried a briefcase in those days
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because when he was dealing,
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the amounts were in $185,000, $330,000.
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We're talking big,
and especially for 1985,
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big numbers.
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-[exciting '80s music continues]
-[engine revs]
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[tires squeal]
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[Flynn] Mark had purchased a Toyota MR2.
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He wanted to go fast in that car
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and pushed that thing
as fast as it would go.
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[tires squeal]
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And in those days,
I had a real interest in firearms.
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Mark gave me the money to purchase an Uzi.
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And that bucker fired full auto.
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For two Utah boys,
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that's as dangerous
as we've ever been in our lives.
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And the police questioned me
quite closely on this lifestyle.
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I didn't realize I should have said,
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the moment I walked in that door,
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"I want an attorney."
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[man] The first criminal charge
to emerge from an investigation
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into last week's
fatal bombings fell today.
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Flynn was charged with possessing
an unregistered firearm today
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in federal court.
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Police arrested Flynn early Saturday
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when a search of his home
turned up an Uzi.
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He's 27-year-old Shannon Flynn.
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Police Chief Bud Willoughby says
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the predawn search
of Flynn's home also turned up
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some, quote, "incriminating evidence
in the bombings."
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I became the number one news item.
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[woman] Investigators also seized
a book known as The Anarchist Cookbook,
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which details, among other things,
how to make homemade bombs.
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But Flynn's attorney
said the evidence is circumstantial
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and not proof any bombs were made.
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They said,
"What do you know about this book?"
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I said, "Well, I mean, I've read it."
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[man 1] Flynn is facing a federal charge
of possessing an illegal weapon.
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[Flynn] This really rang the alarm bells
in that police department that night.
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They got the chief of police,
Bud Willoughby, out of bed.
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'Cause they'd just found Jack the Ripper.
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[man 2] Chief Willoughby said he hoped
the search of Flynn's storage garage
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would reveal the location
of where the pipe bombs were made.
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Explosives and/or other materials
that a bomb could be manufactured from.
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[D'Elia] Shannon Flynn
was interesting in the sense that
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he came across as a person
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who wanted to be something that he wasn't,
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in the sense of…
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uh…
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James Bond, machine guns, bombs.
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[man 1] Flynn is facing a federal charge
of possessing an illegal weapon.
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He's free on $50,000 bond.
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Attorney James Barber
said there is no evidence
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Flynn participated
in last week's bombings.
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He suspects…
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[Flynn]
Fairly early on in the investigation,
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my attorney suggested
that I take a lie detector test.
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And it's on a zero-centered scale.
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If you score somewhere in the middle,
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it's kind of, "We can't tell."
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By the time you get to a minus six and up,
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definitely untruthful.
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Plus six and up, definitely truthful.
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I scored a plus 12.
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[man 2] The search of a locker
rented by Flynn, this afternoon,
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yielded no further clues.
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After a thorough probe,
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they found nothing.
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[man 3] What does this mean
for the investigation?
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It means we'll just press on
and look for other leads.
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That was a problem.
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And, um, we didn't know
where to turn at that point.
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It's difficult
to encapsulate a case like this
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within an hour's worth
of, uh, direct examination on one witness.
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It was not a panic,
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but it certainly was something where
we did not have enough information
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to be able to have a handle on it.
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[man 4] Flynn did say his arrest
arose out of police attempts
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to make something break in the case.
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00:21:22,322 --> 00:21:24,700
I'm just a little pawn in a very big game.
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And I just got crushed in the traffic.
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-[monitor beeping]
-[suspenseful music playing]
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[woman] Meanwhile, Hofmann continues
to improve slowly at LDS Hospital.
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Today, his doctors upgraded his condition
from serious to satisfactory.
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[D'Elia] Now, by then,
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we also have people in the Judge Building
who had some impact as witnesses.
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[man] A witness saw a strange man
lingering at the downtown Judge Building
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at 6:45 on October 15th.
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He could not identify the man.
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He was kind of clean-cut.
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He had like a high school
athletic jacket on,
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without the letter on it.
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The actual, uh, fabric
on the jacket was green and…
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There was a potential witness
talking about a person going up
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to see Steve Christensen with a package,
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early in the morning,
with a green letterman's jacket.
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[man] The man took an elevator upstairs,
but he did not know to which floor.
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00:22:22,716 --> 00:22:25,969
Just brown wrapping paper,
and up in the left-hand corner
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was the name of, "To Steve Christensen."
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And this is starting to get around now,
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this green letterman's jacket.
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Um…
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I had watched the news,
and I saw where they mentioned,
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uh, the person on the elevator
was wearing this green letterman jacket.
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And I recognized it
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as the same type of jacket that Mark wore.
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So we went back to the office
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and started making a search warrant
for Mark Hofmann's house.
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-[projector whirring]
-[somber music playing]
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As the intrigue deepened, the two victims
from Tuesday's bombings were laid to rest.
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Kathy Sheets was eulogized
as a compassionate woman
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and remembered
for her silent acts of charity.
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A thousand people
or more attended the service.
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[man] Mrs. Sheets was a graduate
of the University of Utah
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and taught school
before becoming a full-time mother.
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00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,419
Friends describe her as fun-loving
with a great sense of humor.
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She is survived
by her husband and four children.
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00:23:43,213 --> 00:23:44,506
[somber music continues]
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[Dorie] After the bombings,
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Mark was released from the hospital
and able to come home.
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00:23:51,972 --> 00:23:53,640
It was a relief to have him home.
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00:23:53,723 --> 00:23:55,434
I was really happy to have him home.
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00:23:56,059 --> 00:23:57,352
And the kids were happy.
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00:23:57,436 --> 00:23:59,187
The neighbors were very supportive.
446
00:23:59,980 --> 00:24:02,566
We had a poster
on our window of our house.
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00:24:03,150 --> 00:24:05,318
[woman] I know the faith that family has,
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00:24:05,402 --> 00:24:07,070
and that is what is gonna get
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00:24:07,946 --> 00:24:09,156
the family through this.
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[church bell tolling]
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[woman] To the north in Davis County,
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neighbors mourn another victim,
Steve Christensen.
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00:24:15,412 --> 00:24:19,040
Christensen is survived
by his wife, Terri, and three sons.
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00:24:19,124 --> 00:24:21,042
Was church interest
part of Steve's motivation?
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00:24:21,126 --> 00:24:22,335
Mm-hmm.
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00:24:22,419 --> 00:24:23,545
Yeah.
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00:24:23,628 --> 00:24:24,504
I'm sure it was.
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He was a kind, gentle, uh,
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very compassionate person.
460
00:24:30,051 --> 00:24:32,554
He was always thoughtful of other people.
461
00:24:32,637 --> 00:24:34,139
And I don't know of anyone
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who didn't love him.
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00:24:35,515 --> 00:24:37,517
[Mark] What time in the morning is it?
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Let's see.
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[Dorie] It's 7:30.
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[Mark] Wow!
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So we were sitting around
in our living room,
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having that feeling inside me
that everything's gonna be okay,
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00:24:48,487 --> 00:24:50,322
enjoying being together as a family.
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-[Mark] Michael.
-[Dorie kissing]
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[Dorie] And life would be back to normal.
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00:24:57,871 --> 00:24:58,788
And, you know,
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00:24:58,872 --> 00:25:01,958
our little 15 minutes
of fame would be over.
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00:25:03,043 --> 00:25:04,711
And we'd be back to normal.
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00:25:05,795 --> 00:25:08,298
It's beyond me
why someone would do what they did.
476
00:25:09,883 --> 00:25:12,385
You know,
leaving bombs for people to pick up.
477
00:25:12,469 --> 00:25:15,096
A kid could pick that up, a toddler,
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00:25:15,180 --> 00:25:16,556
a friend of one of my kids.
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00:25:17,807 --> 00:25:19,142
People that do this, uh…
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I can't comprehend that mind,
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why they would do it.
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00:25:24,523 --> 00:25:27,484
I don't know why anyone would
want to kill me. I've no idea.
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00:25:28,443 --> 00:25:29,528
[baby coos]
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[Dorie] Talking to Mark,
I knew something was wrong.
485
00:25:34,658 --> 00:25:36,618
But I didn't know what was wrong.
486
00:25:36,701 --> 00:25:38,286
…don't have to stand up…
487
00:25:38,370 --> 00:25:40,372
It's like something's-something's off.
488
00:25:40,455 --> 00:25:41,706
[ominous music plays]
489
00:25:41,790 --> 00:25:43,708
[whistles, clicks]
490
00:25:43,792 --> 00:25:46,836
[Dorie talking indistinctly to baby]
491
00:25:49,798 --> 00:25:53,260
[phone ringing]
492
00:25:56,638 --> 00:25:57,722
Okay. Goodbye.
493
00:25:59,224 --> 00:26:00,100
Two o'clock.
494
00:26:00,183 --> 00:26:02,394
-[D'Elia] He'll make his announcement?
-Yeah.
495
00:26:02,477 --> 00:26:04,980
-[suspenseful music playing]
-[birds chirping]
496
00:26:19,953 --> 00:26:23,123
[Dorie]
These two men came in the door, and…
497
00:26:23,206 --> 00:26:25,375
I just remember them asking me…
498
00:26:25,458 --> 00:26:28,003
Asking me for the keys to the house,
499
00:26:28,086 --> 00:26:30,130
and asking me for the code to the alarm.
500
00:26:30,213 --> 00:26:32,966
Then the police say,
"We need to search your house.
501
00:26:33,049 --> 00:26:35,218
Your husband is a suspect in this."
502
00:26:35,844 --> 00:26:37,095
How could that be?
503
00:26:37,971 --> 00:26:40,181
[suspenseful music playing]
504
00:26:40,265 --> 00:26:44,144
[George] There were friends of Mark
who had contacted the police
505
00:26:44,227 --> 00:26:47,355
once they learned
of the letterman's jacket.
506
00:26:47,439 --> 00:26:51,735
And we applied for and received
a search warrant for Mark's residence,
507
00:26:51,818 --> 00:26:54,696
which was executed later that night.
508
00:26:54,779 --> 00:26:57,866
By 6:00, a swarm of city and county
law enforcement officials
509
00:26:57,949 --> 00:27:00,660
were going over the Hofmann home
with a fine-tooth comb.
510
00:27:00,744 --> 00:27:02,912
Do we know what we're really looking for?
511
00:27:02,996 --> 00:27:05,165
Yeah, I know a few things.
512
00:27:05,248 --> 00:27:09,085
I know there's a green letterman's jacket
I'd like to find out if it's there.
513
00:27:09,169 --> 00:27:12,714
I'd like to see if there's
anything relating to bombs.
514
00:27:15,216 --> 00:27:17,469
[woman] Searchers went
through books and manuscripts,
515
00:27:17,552 --> 00:27:21,264
the documents accumulated by the collector
suspected of being a murderer.
516
00:27:21,348 --> 00:27:25,352
[D'Elia] Um, I don't believe that we found
anything having to do with bombs.
517
00:27:27,562 --> 00:27:30,649
But we did find
the green letterman's jacket.
518
00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:33,151
[camera shutter clicks]
519
00:27:33,902 --> 00:27:35,820
[George] Well, if it was up to D'Elia,
520
00:27:35,904 --> 00:27:38,990
they would have arrested Mark
the night of the search warrant.
521
00:27:40,784 --> 00:27:42,243
But I kept saying,
522
00:27:42,327 --> 00:27:43,703
"What's your motive?"
523
00:27:43,787 --> 00:27:46,498
[woman] For more than three hours,
officers sifted through boxes
524
00:27:46,581 --> 00:27:49,709
and collected evidence they hope to use
in their case against Hofmann.
525
00:27:49,793 --> 00:27:53,672
In all, more than 30 containers
and boxes of evidence were collected,
526
00:27:53,755 --> 00:27:56,633
so much that a truck
had to be called in to haul it away.
527
00:27:57,342 --> 00:27:58,968
Speculation has centered around
528
00:27:59,052 --> 00:28:02,597
whether the man witnesses say they saw
carry the bomb into the Judge Building
529
00:28:02,681 --> 00:28:04,724
is the same man as Mark Hofmann.
530
00:28:04,808 --> 00:28:06,976
That jacket could have been from anybody
531
00:28:07,060 --> 00:28:09,104
who'd graduated
from Olympus High School.
532
00:28:09,187 --> 00:28:12,023
Could've been purchased
at a second-hand store.
533
00:28:12,649 --> 00:28:16,111
So there were still a lot of questions
that needed to be answered.
534
00:28:16,194 --> 00:28:19,280
[Decker] The press has rushed
to bring you every development
535
00:28:19,364 --> 00:28:21,366
in an energetic police investigation.
536
00:28:21,449 --> 00:28:23,576
Now, just in time for the evening news,
537
00:28:23,660 --> 00:28:24,953
there is a suspect.
538
00:28:25,036 --> 00:28:27,580
But the rapidity with which
things changed from yesterday
539
00:28:27,664 --> 00:28:29,040
should give us pause tonight.
540
00:28:29,124 --> 00:28:32,752
This isn't a mystery story
with a quick, clear, satisfying ending.
541
00:28:32,836 --> 00:28:35,922
We don't know what happened.
We shouldn't jump to conclusions…
542
00:28:36,005 --> 00:28:39,259
[now] They would hope
for a nice clean bombing case,
543
00:28:39,342 --> 00:28:40,719
to find some bombing parts,
544
00:28:40,802 --> 00:28:43,012
to be able to show
where he'd purchased them,
545
00:28:43,096 --> 00:28:45,306
how he had the skill to put them together.
546
00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:49,310
And instead, they found,
uh, Latter-Day Saint history
547
00:28:49,394 --> 00:28:52,063
and documents that only nerds cared about.
548
00:28:52,147 --> 00:28:54,524
[engine idling]
549
00:28:54,607 --> 00:28:57,944
There were more documents
than we had anticipated.
550
00:28:58,570 --> 00:29:02,365
We were learning that Mark
had all of these business deals
551
00:29:02,449 --> 00:29:04,409
that needed to be looked at.
552
00:29:16,838 --> 00:29:18,006
[pensive music playing]
553
00:29:20,049 --> 00:29:24,012
[man] The first time
I met Mark would have been 1984.
554
00:29:25,805 --> 00:29:31,269
Mark told me that he was
very well respected by the Mormon Church
555
00:29:31,352 --> 00:29:34,022
for all the documents he was finding.
556
00:29:36,316 --> 00:29:37,484
And at this point,
557
00:29:37,567 --> 00:29:42,113
he had gotten involved with things
which are not Mormon-related.
558
00:29:42,197 --> 00:29:45,241
First editions, history, Americana.
559
00:29:46,201 --> 00:29:47,035
So I said,
560
00:29:47,118 --> 00:29:49,162
"What sort of things are you finding?"
561
00:29:49,245 --> 00:29:51,247
[Mark] Hi, this is a long-distance call.
562
00:29:51,331 --> 00:29:52,916
Can I please speak with someone
563
00:29:52,999 --> 00:29:56,586
who is in charge
of acquiring material for your archives?
564
00:29:56,669 --> 00:29:58,671
[man] New York City in 1984.
565
00:29:59,380 --> 00:30:02,759
A quiet, unimposing
Mormon documents collector from Utah
566
00:30:02,842 --> 00:30:06,513
says he found something amazing
in this Manhattan bookstore.
567
00:30:07,305 --> 00:30:10,350
[Schiller] He had been to Argosy bookshop
568
00:30:10,433 --> 00:30:12,435
during his trip to New York
569
00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:15,230
and bought a couple of pieces of paper
570
00:30:15,313 --> 00:30:16,856
that interested him.
571
00:30:16,940 --> 00:30:19,526
And one of them
was called The Oath of a Freeman.
572
00:30:19,609 --> 00:30:22,320
[man] The first document
printed in the New World.
573
00:30:22,403 --> 00:30:25,114
[woman] The so-called Oath of a Freeman,
discovered by Hofmann,
574
00:30:25,198 --> 00:30:28,576
is purported to be the first
printed material in colonial America…
575
00:30:28,660 --> 00:30:30,578
[dramatic music playing]
576
00:30:30,662 --> 00:30:32,497
[Schiller] People had looked for it,
577
00:30:32,580 --> 00:30:35,917
it had been reprinted in textbooks,
578
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,129
but, uh, the original sheet of paper
had never been found.
579
00:30:40,213 --> 00:30:42,674
[Mark on the phone]
If you'd be interested in it,
580
00:30:42,757 --> 00:30:45,260
around the price that I just quoted,
581
00:30:45,343 --> 00:30:47,595
then I'll-I'll gladly fly out there too
582
00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:49,764
and let you take a look at the original.
583
00:30:49,848 --> 00:30:51,266
[woman] This is an original?
584
00:30:51,349 --> 00:30:54,811
-[Mark] Yes, this is an original copy.
-[woman] Oh, for heaven's sake.
585
00:30:55,895 --> 00:30:58,565
[Schiller] And, so, the next time
he came to New York,
586
00:30:58,648 --> 00:31:00,775
I looked at it, and the paper felt right,
587
00:31:00,859 --> 00:31:01,985
printing looked right.
588
00:31:02,652 --> 00:31:04,445
I said, "It looks remarkable."
589
00:31:04,529 --> 00:31:05,738
In my mind,
590
00:31:05,822 --> 00:31:08,533
this is one of the most important, uh,
591
00:31:08,616 --> 00:31:10,827
historical documents of our country.
592
00:31:10,910 --> 00:31:15,248
One of the things
that we ended up doing with The Oath
593
00:31:16,082 --> 00:31:20,753
was sending it out
to California for a cyclotron test.
594
00:31:21,337 --> 00:31:23,381
Tests are being conducted on a document
595
00:31:23,464 --> 00:31:27,343
to see whether the ink
on that piece of paper is 300 years old.
596
00:31:27,427 --> 00:31:29,929
…they bombarded it
with high-velocity protons,
597
00:31:30,013 --> 00:31:32,724
which gives them an accurate analysis
of paper and ink.
598
00:31:32,807 --> 00:31:34,434
[Schiller] I started to realize,
599
00:31:34,517 --> 00:31:37,186
this is going to be
an expensive procedure.
600
00:31:38,271 --> 00:31:44,152
And I was expecting, uh,
maybe a 5% or 10% commission.
601
00:31:44,903 --> 00:31:46,321
But Mark, uh, said,
602
00:31:46,404 --> 00:31:49,616
"Oh, no,
if you could authenticate the document,
603
00:31:49,699 --> 00:31:51,951
we'll be 50% partners,
604
00:31:52,035 --> 00:31:52,911
each of us."
605
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,248
And I was staggered by his generosity.
606
00:31:57,332 --> 00:31:59,500
[man]
Marketing The Oath with Hofmann,
607
00:31:59,584 --> 00:32:01,920
attorneys for the gallery,
Schiller and Wapner…
608
00:32:02,003 --> 00:32:05,506
Mark and I agreed
on the price of $1.5 million.
609
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:08,259
But I had to caution everyone,
610
00:32:08,343 --> 00:32:10,970
it's only worth that
if it turns out to be real.
611
00:32:11,679 --> 00:32:14,766
And we're far from that road.
612
00:32:14,849 --> 00:32:19,062
There's a lot of things
that need to be checked and verified,
613
00:32:19,145 --> 00:32:21,606
and this was just the beginning.
614
00:32:25,485 --> 00:32:28,529
[car horns honking]
615
00:32:30,031 --> 00:32:34,577
[Flynn] In New York, Mark had become
close enough with Justin Schiller
616
00:32:34,661 --> 00:32:37,830
that he always rolled out
the red carpet for him.
617
00:32:38,498 --> 00:32:40,083
And Mark let loose in New York.
618
00:32:40,750 --> 00:32:45,004
He did things
he would never, ever do at home.
619
00:32:45,588 --> 00:32:47,465
[whimsical music playing]
620
00:32:48,299 --> 00:32:52,136
[Schiller] Somebody else at the table
was ordering an alcoholic drink,
621
00:32:52,220 --> 00:32:54,430
and then Mark could be coerced,
622
00:32:54,514 --> 00:32:58,935
which I realize
is somewhat against the Mormon creed.
623
00:33:00,895 --> 00:33:04,399
[Flynn] But Mark had told him
it was impossible for him to get drunk.
624
00:33:04,482 --> 00:33:06,734
No, that just…
625
00:33:06,818 --> 00:33:08,903
That is not humanly possible.
626
00:33:11,030 --> 00:33:14,575
"Okay, I'm gonna have a double vodka."
He'd pound that thing down.
627
00:33:14,659 --> 00:33:17,203
"Double whiskey. Another one."
628
00:33:17,286 --> 00:33:19,998
[imitates gulping]
And I want to mention,
629
00:33:20,081 --> 00:33:21,791
I did no drinking.
630
00:33:24,502 --> 00:33:25,378
Just watched.
631
00:33:26,087 --> 00:33:29,048
Anyway, within an hour,
632
00:33:30,049 --> 00:33:33,511
15, 16 doubles.
633
00:33:33,594 --> 00:33:34,887
Straight, neat.
634
00:33:35,555 --> 00:33:37,640
Justin Schiller said, "Say you're drunk."
635
00:33:37,724 --> 00:33:39,142
And he said, "No, I'm not."
636
00:33:39,726 --> 00:33:41,352
So he said, "Stand up."
637
00:33:41,978 --> 00:33:42,979
Mark did.
638
00:33:43,062 --> 00:33:45,064
He said, "Walk around this table."
639
00:33:45,148 --> 00:33:47,734
No wobble, no waver.
640
00:33:48,526 --> 00:33:49,360
Nothing.
641
00:33:50,778 --> 00:33:53,906
Now, the back end to that story is,
642
00:33:54,574 --> 00:33:56,159
we finally went up to our room.
643
00:33:57,118 --> 00:34:00,955
He went in the bathroom
and just puked himself green.
644
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:02,081
[chuckles]
645
00:34:03,499 --> 00:34:06,753
This is coming
from a person who never drank.
646
00:34:06,836 --> 00:34:09,422
He grew up Mormon, so it's not normal.
647
00:34:10,298 --> 00:34:13,509
So Mark lived this lifestyle of kinda,
648
00:34:13,593 --> 00:34:16,179
"We'll do some business, flash some cash,
649
00:34:17,013 --> 00:34:22,018
and we'll drink our heads off,
and then we'll sober up and go home."
650
00:34:22,685 --> 00:34:24,979
Back to the regular Mormon life.
651
00:34:30,193 --> 00:34:33,738
[birds chirping]
652
00:34:34,822 --> 00:34:36,699
[Mark] There's Michael and Daddy.
653
00:34:37,408 --> 00:34:38,242
See?
654
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,370
And Mommy over there,
taking pictures of ya.
655
00:34:42,288 --> 00:34:44,373
[Dorie] He liked to film the family.
656
00:34:44,874 --> 00:34:48,169
"Yuppie" was the term at that point,
when you had all the techy things
657
00:34:48,252 --> 00:34:49,462
and all the fancy stuff,
658
00:34:49,545 --> 00:34:53,257
and it was a big deal at that point,
in the '80s, to have a camera.
659
00:34:53,341 --> 00:34:56,844
Oh, you took a few steps!
You tried to, anyway.
660
00:34:56,928 --> 00:34:59,931
He would like to take people to dinner,
go to expensive places
661
00:35:00,014 --> 00:35:02,475
-and buy expensive things.
-Uh-oh. You dropped it.
662
00:35:02,558 --> 00:35:04,268
[Dorie] I think part of it was upbringing.
663
00:35:04,352 --> 00:35:07,271
It's LDS culture, you want to look good
for the people around you.
664
00:35:08,189 --> 00:35:11,943
And there was something
with him about status,
665
00:35:12,026 --> 00:35:15,071
and something about having things,
having expensive things,
666
00:35:15,947 --> 00:35:17,824
that was important to him.
667
00:35:17,907 --> 00:35:19,742
[engine revving]
668
00:35:19,826 --> 00:35:22,829
[woman] In a 1982 interview
with Sunstone magazine,
669
00:35:22,912 --> 00:35:25,790
Hofmann said he was
in the business to make money.
670
00:35:26,332 --> 00:35:30,378
Mark had taken on
a much higher living standard
671
00:35:30,461 --> 00:35:31,796
than he'd known before.
672
00:35:31,879 --> 00:35:36,008
He was flying back and forth
to the East Coast all the time.
673
00:35:36,092 --> 00:35:38,052
He would promise a document to one guy.
674
00:35:38,136 --> 00:35:41,347
He'd get something sold,
pass that money to the other guy.
675
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:43,182
[man] Hofmann's finances are murky.
676
00:35:43,266 --> 00:35:47,436
Just this summer,
he negotiated to buy a $600,000 house.
677
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:48,646
The deal fell through.
678
00:35:48,729 --> 00:35:50,356
[phone ringing]
679
00:35:50,439 --> 00:35:52,358
[Dorie] In early fall of 1985,
680
00:35:52,441 --> 00:35:55,611
there would be feast or famine,
lots of money and then no money.
681
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,865
And I just remember a lot of phone calls.
682
00:35:58,948 --> 00:36:01,742
[male voice]
Please leave a message after the tone.
683
00:36:01,826 --> 00:36:04,579
Then I would tell Mark,
"This person called. They're upset."
684
00:36:04,662 --> 00:36:06,038
"Oh, that's not a big deal.
685
00:36:06,122 --> 00:36:07,456
Oh, they're not a problem.
686
00:36:07,540 --> 00:36:10,168
-Oh, I'll take care of that."
-[knocking softly]
687
00:36:10,793 --> 00:36:13,838
So, what I remember mostly
is just the disconnect
688
00:36:13,921 --> 00:36:16,883
between what I was experiencing
and what he was telling me.
689
00:36:16,966 --> 00:36:18,676
[knocking softly]
690
00:36:18,759 --> 00:36:20,261
[Mark] I'm gonna get you.
691
00:36:20,344 --> 00:36:22,722
I'm gonna get you.
Get you, get you, get you.
692
00:36:24,140 --> 00:36:26,392
[George]
Mark was in debt to a lot of people.
693
00:36:27,018 --> 00:36:30,313
But Mark Hofmann
had a lot of money out there
694
00:36:30,396 --> 00:36:32,565
that was going to come to him.
695
00:36:32,648 --> 00:36:33,482
Big money.
696
00:36:33,566 --> 00:36:37,445
The Oath of a Freeman
was reportedly going to be sold
697
00:36:37,528 --> 00:36:40,031
for $1.5 million.
698
00:36:41,157 --> 00:36:43,784
So Mark Hofmann had no motive for murder.
699
00:36:53,753 --> 00:36:55,630
During the investigation,
700
00:36:55,713 --> 00:37:01,344
there was a polygraph that was released
by Mr. Hofmann's attorney, Ron Yengich.
701
00:37:01,427 --> 00:37:04,138
They don't have sufficient cause
to charge my client
702
00:37:04,222 --> 00:37:06,140
with what they keep saying that he is,
703
00:37:06,224 --> 00:37:08,267
i.e. the prime suspect in the bombings.
704
00:37:08,351 --> 00:37:11,270
But they've got to show the public
they're doing something.
705
00:37:11,354 --> 00:37:13,856
[George] Mark's polygraph was plus 14.
706
00:37:16,359 --> 00:37:20,404
That's the highest number
I've ever seen in my career.
707
00:37:20,488 --> 00:37:23,950
[man] Hofmann's claims of innocence
were documented for the first time
708
00:37:24,033 --> 00:37:25,785
when he passed a lie detector test.
709
00:37:25,868 --> 00:37:28,871
I was just so disappointed
710
00:37:28,955 --> 00:37:31,707
that nothing was coming out
of the investigation.
711
00:37:31,791 --> 00:37:34,502
Based on my personal acquaintance
with Mark
712
00:37:34,585 --> 00:37:37,588
and my experience in knowing him
713
00:37:37,672 --> 00:37:39,465
over the last two years,
714
00:37:40,049 --> 00:37:42,760
I-- I have a great deal of doubt
715
00:37:42,843 --> 00:37:46,514
that, uh, Mark is involved
in any way at this point.
716
00:37:46,597 --> 00:37:49,016
We already had these people murdered,
717
00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:52,520
and yet,
other people's lives were being destroyed,
718
00:37:53,104 --> 00:37:55,231
and reputations being destroyed.
719
00:37:58,776 --> 00:38:04,156
And so, I embraced the notion
that somebody had tried to set Mark up.
720
00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:08,327
[Decker] I talked to a collector,
one of Hofmann's competitors,
721
00:38:08,411 --> 00:38:11,622
and he said, "I'm not sure Mark did it,
maybe it was an accident.
722
00:38:11,706 --> 00:38:14,208
Maybe there's somebody
out to get document collectors."
723
00:38:14,292 --> 00:38:17,378
[man] Neighbors could not believe
he's a suspect in the bombings.
724
00:38:17,461 --> 00:38:20,589
I can't comprehend
that the Mark that I know
725
00:38:20,673 --> 00:38:23,050
is capable of doing the bombings.
726
00:38:23,134 --> 00:38:25,011
I feel like Mark has been crucified.
727
00:38:25,094 --> 00:38:26,512
I think he's a victim.
728
00:38:26,595 --> 00:38:29,181
So completely out of character
with Mark Hofmann.
729
00:38:29,265 --> 00:38:31,600
[D'Elia]
The general opinion of the public,
730
00:38:31,684 --> 00:38:33,185
what I got, was,
731
00:38:33,269 --> 00:38:34,603
"You got the wrong guy.
732
00:38:34,687 --> 00:38:37,606
You're lousy prosecutors.
You don't know what you're doing.
733
00:38:37,690 --> 00:38:39,442
You're lousy investigators."
734
00:38:39,525 --> 00:38:41,569
The public has a right to know.
735
00:38:41,652 --> 00:38:43,446
You don't understand how effectively
736
00:38:43,529 --> 00:38:45,906
you can eliminate
the rights of an accused.
737
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:48,576
Motive is what we needed.
738
00:38:48,659 --> 00:38:50,661
Motive is what we did not have.
739
00:38:50,745 --> 00:38:54,832
[woman] Hofmann's family says he has
never been in any kind of trouble before.
740
00:38:54,915 --> 00:38:56,375
Hofmann was an Eagle Scout…
741
00:38:56,459 --> 00:38:59,337
[George] We need to look somewhere else.
742
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:01,797
[William] I think it's come to the point
743
00:39:01,881 --> 00:39:04,717
where they've probably
got to charge him with something,
744
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,719
whether they have something or not.
745
00:39:06,802 --> 00:39:09,055
Mark is definitely not a murderer.
746
00:39:09,138 --> 00:39:10,556
I know he's not a murderer.
747
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:13,476
From the very beginning,
748
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:16,979
our prayer and our hope was that…
749
00:39:18,814 --> 00:39:20,066
the truth would…
750
00:39:20,149 --> 00:39:21,067
Would be known.
751
00:39:22,068 --> 00:39:23,194
Whatever it was…
752
00:39:24,528 --> 00:39:26,280
that the truth would come out.
753
00:39:26,364 --> 00:39:28,032
And we-- That's still our prayer.
754
00:39:29,950 --> 00:39:31,744
[sad music playing]
755
00:39:34,914 --> 00:39:37,500
I got a call.
This is about third or fourth party.
756
00:39:37,583 --> 00:39:40,086
Woman by the name of Becky Cutler Gunn,
757
00:39:40,169 --> 00:39:41,629
used to live by the Hofmanns.
758
00:39:41,712 --> 00:39:45,591
[George]
I was in the war room seven days a week,
759
00:39:45,674 --> 00:39:47,968
sometimes up to 16 hours a day.
760
00:39:48,552 --> 00:39:51,097
I was not in a place that I wanted to be.
761
00:39:51,180 --> 00:39:52,890
Do we have any idea how much?
762
00:39:53,474 --> 00:39:58,646
But this is a type of case that you had
to cross every "T" and dot every "I."
763
00:39:59,772 --> 00:40:03,526
And so we decided to go through
the evidence one more time.
764
00:40:06,195 --> 00:40:09,031
At the search of Mark Hofmann's house,
765
00:40:09,115 --> 00:40:10,950
there were many, many items
766
00:40:11,033 --> 00:40:13,786
that, at the time,
meant very little to us.
767
00:40:16,455 --> 00:40:19,917
We were looking to find
anything out of the ordinary.
768
00:40:20,876 --> 00:40:23,087
And there was a piece of paper
769
00:40:23,170 --> 00:40:26,757
that had a business called
Cocks and Clark Engraving
770
00:40:27,508 --> 00:40:29,343
and the name "Mike Hansen."
771
00:40:32,179 --> 00:40:35,641
I need to figure out who is Mike Hansen.
772
00:40:35,724 --> 00:40:36,934
And I traced it back…
773
00:40:37,017 --> 00:40:38,853
[now] But more importantly,
774
00:40:38,936 --> 00:40:42,064
how is this related to Mark Hofmann?
775
00:40:43,816 --> 00:40:46,485
So we dialed the number and said,
776
00:40:46,569 --> 00:40:48,154
"This is Mike Hansen,
777
00:40:48,237 --> 00:40:50,322
and I need a receipt for my taxes."
778
00:40:51,157 --> 00:40:51,991
And he said,
779
00:40:52,074 --> 00:40:54,076
"Sure, Mr. Hansen, I'll send it to you."
780
00:40:58,998 --> 00:41:00,332
We got the receipt.
781
00:41:00,416 --> 00:41:03,711
It was a plate for Deseret currency,
782
00:41:03,794 --> 00:41:05,546
made up at the engravers,
783
00:41:06,255 --> 00:41:09,550
which was something
that Mark Hofmann was dealing in,
784
00:41:10,301 --> 00:41:13,888
and he could use it
to actually make a forgery.
785
00:41:16,098 --> 00:41:20,186
That turned this investigation
completely around
786
00:41:20,269 --> 00:41:23,105
and completely into a different direction
787
00:41:23,189 --> 00:41:24,482
than we were going.
788
00:41:24,565 --> 00:41:27,568
[D'Elia] Mike is gonna show us
the Salamander letter does not fold.
789
00:41:27,651 --> 00:41:29,487
[George] Because if these documents,
790
00:41:29,570 --> 00:41:30,988
like the Salamander letter
791
00:41:31,071 --> 00:41:33,574
or The Oath of a Freeman, were forged,
792
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,494
that's an absolute motive
793
00:41:36,577 --> 00:41:39,371
for Mark Hofmann to commit murder.
794
00:41:39,455 --> 00:41:41,499
[suspenseful music playing]
795
00:41:42,708 --> 00:41:46,086
Investigators are now turning
to the next big question, why?
796
00:41:46,170 --> 00:41:49,548
The possible answers are sending
shock waves through the LDS Church.
797
00:41:49,632 --> 00:41:53,552
[man] Police chief Bud Willoughby
said the Church has been "beaten up on."
798
00:41:53,636 --> 00:41:56,096
And as far as he's concerned,
it's not fair.
799
00:41:56,180 --> 00:41:59,058
We have not discounted forgery involved.
800
00:41:59,141 --> 00:42:03,020
That could very well turn out
to be one of the possible motives…
801
00:42:03,103 --> 00:42:06,315
Police are looking at bombings
to cover up an elaborate forgery ring
802
00:42:06,398 --> 00:42:07,483
as a possibility.
803
00:42:07,566 --> 00:42:10,277
Some of these documents,
including the Salamander letter…
804
00:42:10,361 --> 00:42:11,946
In another twist to this story,
805
00:42:12,029 --> 00:42:15,950
the LDS Church today announced plans
to let the FBI run authenticity tests
806
00:42:16,033 --> 00:42:19,203
on the Martin Harris
or so-called Salamander letter.
807
00:42:19,286 --> 00:42:24,124
The Church took the Salamander letter,
and they shipped it off to the FBI.
808
00:42:24,208 --> 00:42:25,668
They did make this request
809
00:42:25,751 --> 00:42:28,754
uh, so they could authenticate
the Martin Harris letter
810
00:42:28,837 --> 00:42:29,922
by their own methods,
811
00:42:30,005 --> 00:42:30,923
and we've agreed.
812
00:42:31,006 --> 00:42:33,717
Which was a very big deal
because the Church, at first,
813
00:42:33,801 --> 00:42:36,011
didn't want to get to the bottom of it.
814
00:42:36,095 --> 00:42:40,015
[man] The FBI will attempt to determine
if the letter is genuine or a fake.
815
00:42:40,099 --> 00:42:42,768
[George]
We need to investigate these documents.
816
00:42:43,561 --> 00:42:44,770
And in order to do it,
817
00:42:44,853 --> 00:42:48,482
we went out and got
one of the best document examiners,
818
00:42:48,566 --> 00:42:50,442
probably throughout the world.
819
00:42:55,656 --> 00:42:59,451
The reason I got into forensic science is,
I don't deal with people.
820
00:43:00,077 --> 00:43:03,664
And I disassociate myself
as much as possible.
821
00:43:04,456 --> 00:43:06,625
The one thing that I've always done is,
822
00:43:06,709 --> 00:43:08,419
if an attorney hands me a document
823
00:43:08,502 --> 00:43:10,296
and tells me it's genuine,
824
00:43:10,379 --> 00:43:14,133
I go about the examination
trying to prove that it's not.
825
00:43:14,758 --> 00:43:17,136
If somebody tells me a document is forged,
826
00:43:17,219 --> 00:43:20,556
I go about my examination
trying to prove that it's genuine.
827
00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:22,391
Purchase a lot of these documents…
828
00:43:22,474 --> 00:43:25,102
[George] And so we invited George
to meet with us.
829
00:43:25,185 --> 00:43:28,397
And he asked me,
"What do you know about the documents?"
830
00:43:29,189 --> 00:43:30,566
And I said,
831
00:43:30,649 --> 00:43:33,736
"All of the experts are telling us
832
00:43:33,819 --> 00:43:35,237
that they're authentic."
833
00:43:35,779 --> 00:43:37,406
[Throckmorton] Out of curiosity,
834
00:43:37,489 --> 00:43:42,161
I began researching one of the people
that authenticated the Salamander letter.
835
00:43:42,244 --> 00:43:44,079
I still regard it as valid,
836
00:43:44,163 --> 00:43:45,998
for the reason that, uh,
837
00:43:46,081 --> 00:43:48,292
to change my mind at this point
838
00:43:48,375 --> 00:43:49,710
would fly in the face
839
00:43:49,793 --> 00:43:53,464
of the careful work
that was done to authenticate it.
840
00:43:54,089 --> 00:43:56,925
[Throckmorton] I realized
he was not a document examiner.
841
00:43:57,009 --> 00:43:58,010
He was a historian,
842
00:43:58,844 --> 00:44:00,346
and that made me suspicious.
843
00:44:01,096 --> 00:44:03,432
Now, George Throckmorton
is a good Mormon too.
844
00:44:03,515 --> 00:44:06,935
…and we need to get Throckmorton
right on as soon as they get it…
845
00:44:07,019 --> 00:44:09,355
[D'Elia]
From a credibility standpoint of view,
846
00:44:09,438 --> 00:44:12,524
George Throckmorton said,
"I want somebody else in here, too."
847
00:44:13,525 --> 00:44:17,613
Well, one day I was sitting peacefully
at my desk, uh, in Arizona,
848
00:44:17,696 --> 00:44:19,198
at the state crime laboratory,
849
00:44:19,281 --> 00:44:20,532
and the phone rang,
850
00:44:20,616 --> 00:44:22,201
and it was George Throckmorton.
851
00:44:22,951 --> 00:44:24,703
And he said, uh,
852
00:44:24,787 --> 00:44:26,705
"What religion are you, Bill?"
853
00:44:26,789 --> 00:44:28,874
That was a rather unusual intro.
854
00:44:29,458 --> 00:44:32,961
Uh, I said, "Well, I'm kind of
a non-practicing Catholic."
855
00:44:33,045 --> 00:44:35,422
And George Throckmorton said, "Perfect."
856
00:44:38,008 --> 00:44:42,096
I knew how difficult it was
to create a document today
857
00:44:42,179 --> 00:44:44,431
and make it look like it was 15 years old.
858
00:44:44,515 --> 00:44:45,808
In this scenario,
859
00:44:45,891 --> 00:44:47,851
George had said some of these documents
860
00:44:47,935 --> 00:44:51,480
were supposedly 150 years old,
ten times that long.
861
00:44:52,523 --> 00:44:55,484
So I was certain that,
in the case of the Salamander letter,
862
00:44:56,026 --> 00:44:57,319
there would be some flaw.
863
00:44:57,403 --> 00:44:58,862
There would be an anachronism
864
00:44:58,946 --> 00:45:00,197
or an anomaly,
865
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,117
or we would be able to prove
that the writing was forged.
866
00:45:03,992 --> 00:45:07,371
[D'Elia] They sat down and really
went to town with these documents.
867
00:45:07,454 --> 00:45:10,290
We went through
how the documents' papers were cut,
868
00:45:10,374 --> 00:45:13,460
how the ink was, how letters folded.
869
00:45:14,086 --> 00:45:18,507
[William Flynn] If you can find
that one anachronistic characteristic,
870
00:45:18,590 --> 00:45:22,553
something that says
this paper was manufactured in 1890,
871
00:45:23,303 --> 00:45:25,597
but the date of the document was 1830,
872
00:45:26,557 --> 00:45:28,267
game, set, match. You have it.
873
00:45:28,350 --> 00:45:31,437
-They wanna talk to you.
-I do nothing. I…
874
00:45:32,020 --> 00:45:35,816
When Bill first came, he thought
he would be here a week. [chuckles]
875
00:45:35,899 --> 00:45:39,069
As it turns out,
I had grossly underestimated
876
00:45:39,153 --> 00:45:41,613
the amount of time and effort
it was going to take
877
00:45:41,697 --> 00:45:44,283
to show whether these documents
were genuine or not.
878
00:45:45,659 --> 00:45:46,994
[ominous music playing]
879
00:45:51,623 --> 00:45:54,668
[man] This is KSL Television,
Salt Lake City, Utah.
880
00:45:54,752 --> 00:45:57,921
The Oath of a Freeman,
purported to be the first document
881
00:45:58,005 --> 00:45:59,256
printed in early America.
882
00:45:59,923 --> 00:46:03,927
Experts tested The Oath on a space-age
machine called a cyclotron at the…
883
00:46:04,011 --> 00:46:07,681
[Schiller] We had The Oath of a Freeman
tested for the paper,
884
00:46:07,765 --> 00:46:11,769
studied by nuclear examination,
885
00:46:11,852 --> 00:46:14,563
and, uh, each of the exams,
886
00:46:14,646 --> 00:46:17,065
it came up with the verification
887
00:46:17,149 --> 00:46:18,692
that the document was correct.
888
00:46:18,776 --> 00:46:23,197
[reporter] The Oath of a Freeman appears
to have passed a key test of authenticity.
889
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,616
Mark Hofmann shares
ownership of the document,
890
00:46:25,699 --> 00:46:27,242
along with a New York dealer…
891
00:46:27,326 --> 00:46:29,787
[Schiller]
It was all a very exciting experience,
892
00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:32,039
and we're now a 50% owner.
893
00:46:33,165 --> 00:46:36,418
And the sale
of The Oath of a Freeman was pending.
894
00:46:36,502 --> 00:46:37,920
[helicopter blades whirring]
895
00:46:38,003 --> 00:46:40,672
[D'Elia] They were going to take
The Oath of a Freeman
896
00:46:40,756 --> 00:46:43,550
and exhibit it
at the base of the Statue of Liberty.
897
00:46:43,634 --> 00:46:45,886
So this was trouble, obviously.
898
00:46:45,969 --> 00:46:49,306
'Cause it's just
one more piece of evidence
899
00:46:49,389 --> 00:46:51,183
that's just not going our way.
900
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:55,687
Meanwhile, there was a call from the FBI.
901
00:46:56,814 --> 00:46:59,066
[Throckmorton]
One of the investigators says,
902
00:46:59,149 --> 00:47:02,653
"We got the report back from the FBI
on the Salamander letter.
903
00:47:04,488 --> 00:47:05,405
It's genuine."
904
00:47:05,989 --> 00:47:09,618
[man] The FBI has reportedly
concluded there is no reason to believe
905
00:47:09,701 --> 00:47:11,954
that the Salamander letter is a phony.
906
00:47:14,039 --> 00:47:18,627
[George] The FBI Laboratory
had authenticated the Salamander letter.
907
00:47:20,629 --> 00:47:22,881
We all had a horrible reaction to it.
908
00:47:22,965 --> 00:47:25,592
I mean, it ruined Christmas for us.
909
00:47:26,593 --> 00:47:28,136
It didn't-- [sputters]
910
00:47:28,220 --> 00:47:30,389
In-In the face of it, we just went on.
911
00:47:30,472 --> 00:47:34,726
It was just one more piece of shit
that we have to deal with and…
912
00:47:35,811 --> 00:47:36,728
um…
913
00:47:38,021 --> 00:47:40,816
[William Flynn]
There came a time in the examination
914
00:47:40,899 --> 00:47:43,151
where I felt it wasn't going to work.
915
00:47:44,027 --> 00:47:47,239
Where we just
weren't going to be able to get
916
00:47:47,322 --> 00:47:51,785
that hard evidence
that we would need to testify to.
917
00:47:51,869 --> 00:47:53,662
[ominous music playing]
918
00:47:58,041 --> 00:47:59,418
[Mark] Let's watch some TV.
919
00:48:00,043 --> 00:48:01,920
[Dorie] He liked the Dallas show.
920
00:48:02,004 --> 00:48:05,257
I think Mark used the character JR
in Dallas as a role model.
921
00:48:05,340 --> 00:48:06,758
I just want you to know, JR,
922
00:48:07,384 --> 00:48:08,468
I'm gonna nail you.
923
00:48:09,177 --> 00:48:10,470
Haven't you noticed?
924
00:48:10,554 --> 00:48:12,222
You gotta be a man to play in my league.
925
00:48:12,306 --> 00:48:13,974
[Dorie] How bold he was in his actions,
926
00:48:14,057 --> 00:48:17,895
and how he would look good on the outside,
but underneath what he would do to people.
927
00:48:17,978 --> 00:48:20,105
I knew there was a reason
I liked that boy.
928
00:48:20,731 --> 00:48:25,444
He's just about the best liar I ever met.
With the exception of myself, of course.
929
00:48:26,278 --> 00:48:30,824
The police theory that Hofmann was forging
documents comes as a real surprise
930
00:48:30,908 --> 00:48:32,743
to the community
of scholars and collectors
931
00:48:32,826 --> 00:48:34,578
who work with Mark Hofmann…
932
00:48:34,703 --> 00:48:36,788
[Dorie] When the evening news would come,
933
00:48:36,872 --> 00:48:39,625
he absolutely loved…
934
00:48:39,708 --> 00:48:40,542
Loved it.
935
00:48:41,043 --> 00:48:42,920
[man 1]
Police searched his car and home.
936
00:48:43,003 --> 00:48:44,379
They found old paper and ink
937
00:48:44,463 --> 00:48:46,757
that could've been used
in forging documents.
938
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,550
Hofmann is the prime suspect.
939
00:48:48,634 --> 00:48:51,261
[Mark] He says,
"I recognize one person there on TV."
940
00:48:51,845 --> 00:48:54,598
[Dorie] They would be talking
about him being a suspect,
941
00:48:54,681 --> 00:48:58,268
about what was happening with him
in the investigation, in the news.
942
00:48:58,894 --> 00:48:59,728
He just…
943
00:48:59,811 --> 00:49:01,396
He reveled in that.
944
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:02,314
Don't cry.
945
00:49:02,397 --> 00:49:06,068
[man 2] The FBI has reportedly
concluded there is no reason to believe
946
00:49:06,151 --> 00:49:08,070
that the Salamander letter is a phony.
947
00:49:08,153 --> 00:49:11,490
The fact they have not filed today
anything related to the bombings
948
00:49:11,573 --> 00:49:13,075
means they've got a weak case.
949
00:49:13,158 --> 00:49:15,661
-Speculation has centered around motives.
-[crying]
950
00:49:15,744 --> 00:49:18,455
Why would Hofmann kill
business associates and friends?
951
00:49:18,538 --> 00:49:20,040
That's still unknown.
952
00:49:24,586 --> 00:49:25,629
[man] I think, uh…
953
00:49:25,712 --> 00:49:28,215
I don't know what it is
they wanna do with the ink.
954
00:49:28,298 --> 00:49:29,549
[man] I'm not sure what--
955
00:49:29,633 --> 00:49:34,304
This is printing ink, you understand?
This is carbon-based ink.
956
00:49:34,388 --> 00:49:37,432
You don't wanna mess with the FBI.
957
00:49:37,516 --> 00:49:42,521
And yet, I disagreed with them
on the Salamander letter.
958
00:49:42,604 --> 00:49:44,690
In fact, I was almost a little bit angry.
959
00:49:44,773 --> 00:49:48,860
After examining it
under various degrees of magnification,
960
00:49:49,653 --> 00:49:51,488
under various lighting sources,
961
00:49:51,571 --> 00:49:54,574
from ultraviolet spectrum
to the infrared spectrum,
962
00:49:54,658 --> 00:49:56,159
every way possible,
963
00:49:56,994 --> 00:50:01,248
I was feeling quite comfortable
that something was wrong,
964
00:50:01,915 --> 00:50:03,333
and they should've found it.
965
00:50:03,792 --> 00:50:05,711
[suspenseful music playing]
966
00:50:05,794 --> 00:50:07,504
[George] George Throckmorton said,
967
00:50:07,587 --> 00:50:12,009
"I'm shocked about how shallow
their analysis has gone.
968
00:50:12,092 --> 00:50:13,260
We need to go further."
969
00:50:18,056 --> 00:50:21,518
After 110 hours of examination
on the documents,
970
00:50:22,769 --> 00:50:28,525
I started noticing that some of the inks
had a cracking effect on the ink itself.
971
00:50:29,860 --> 00:50:31,445
And some of them did not.
972
00:50:31,528 --> 00:50:32,946
And I didn't know why.
973
00:50:38,827 --> 00:50:42,122
In order to test
whether what we were seeing was actually
974
00:50:42,205 --> 00:50:44,166
a real phenomenon or not,
975
00:50:44,249 --> 00:50:47,753
Mr. Throckmorton and I began
to hand one another documents
976
00:50:47,836 --> 00:50:49,254
to look at microscopically.
977
00:50:50,672 --> 00:50:54,009
[Throckmorton]
And we had them separated into two groups.
978
00:50:54,092 --> 00:50:57,304
One of which we know Hofmann had handled,
979
00:50:57,387 --> 00:51:01,016
and the others were documents
we knew had been in the Church
980
00:51:01,099 --> 00:51:03,643
long before Mark Hofmann was even born.
981
00:51:04,311 --> 00:51:07,189
There would either be evidence
of the ink cracking or not.
982
00:51:07,272 --> 00:51:08,190
And depending,
983
00:51:08,273 --> 00:51:10,734
he would say "not Hofmann," or "Hofmann."
984
00:51:12,861 --> 00:51:15,363
[Throckmorton]
And we started to see this pattern.
985
00:51:16,156 --> 00:51:20,327
Every single document that Hofmann
had handled had that cracked ink.
986
00:51:20,410 --> 00:51:22,829
[ominous music playing]
987
00:51:24,664 --> 00:51:28,335
[George] George and Bill explained to us,
988
00:51:28,418 --> 00:51:30,587
"We're looking at ink that's cracked."
989
00:51:32,089 --> 00:51:34,299
That led to other questions.
990
00:51:34,382 --> 00:51:38,887
We had that receipt
to Cocks and Clark Engraving,
991
00:51:38,970 --> 00:51:41,181
in the name of Mike Hansen,
992
00:51:41,264 --> 00:51:43,850
that had been seized
at Mark Hofmann's house.
993
00:51:45,268 --> 00:51:47,521
If Mark Hofmann was a forger,
994
00:51:48,271 --> 00:51:50,649
where else
could he have made printing plates?
995
00:51:50,732 --> 00:51:53,193
-What you got on The Oath…
-Paper's probably okay.
996
00:51:53,276 --> 00:51:55,237
…that's gonna be the kicker we can…
997
00:51:55,320 --> 00:52:00,158
And there were two places,
Utah Engraving and DeBouzek Printing.
998
00:52:01,368 --> 00:52:04,079
Went to DeBouzek
with The Oath of a Freeman.
999
00:52:04,955 --> 00:52:08,291
The printer picked it up,
looked at it, and he said,
1000
00:52:08,375 --> 00:52:14,339
"A person by the name of Mike Hansen
asked to have this plate made."
1001
00:52:14,422 --> 00:52:16,675
[man]
Printing on this portion of the press,
1002
00:52:16,758 --> 00:52:20,178
which is called the platen,
and this is where the paper will be put…
1003
00:52:20,262 --> 00:52:23,348
And he said, "Mr. Hansen paid us in cash.
1004
00:52:23,431 --> 00:52:25,433
He was a couple of bucks short.
1005
00:52:25,517 --> 00:52:30,272
He had to complete the transaction
with a personal check."
1006
00:52:31,064 --> 00:52:34,776
That personal check
was in Mark Hofmann's name.
1007
00:52:36,236 --> 00:52:38,905
[D'Elia] Oh, Markie Poo,
if you could only see me now.
1008
00:52:41,032 --> 00:52:42,242
[man 1] Moment of truth.
1009
00:52:42,909 --> 00:52:44,744
-[man 2] Looks great!
-[man 3] Hey!
1010
00:52:44,828 --> 00:52:46,913
-[man 1] That looks good.
-[men applaud]
1011
00:52:46,997 --> 00:52:48,748
[D'Elia] That was a big discovery.
1012
00:52:48,832 --> 00:52:50,292
This is an absolute forgery.
1013
00:52:50,375 --> 00:52:52,210
I think it's time for a beer.
1014
00:52:52,294 --> 00:52:54,880
We had come full circle.
1015
00:52:54,963 --> 00:52:58,049
There was cracking in the ink.
1016
00:52:58,133 --> 00:53:03,013
And the check proved that Mark Hofmann
had used the name Mike Hansen.
1017
00:53:03,930 --> 00:53:07,559
And now we found what,
to us, was the Holy Grail.
1018
00:53:07,642 --> 00:53:09,477
The Oath of a Freeman…
1019
00:53:09,561 --> 00:53:10,437
[clunks]
1020
00:53:11,771 --> 00:53:15,317
…the one document
that Mark Hofmann could use
1021
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,195
to buy him out of this entire mess
1022
00:53:18,278 --> 00:53:20,447
he had gotten himself into,
1023
00:53:20,530 --> 00:53:22,741
-was now a forgery.
-[tense music plays]
1024
00:53:22,824 --> 00:53:25,243
[woman] Prosecutors say
the killer is Mark Hofmann.
1025
00:53:25,327 --> 00:53:27,162
He's been accused of massive frauds.
1026
00:53:27,245 --> 00:53:30,957
But until today, we did not know
just how much fraud there's been.
1027
00:53:31,041 --> 00:53:35,462
Prosecutors say he swindled associates
out of more than half a million dollars.
1028
00:53:35,545 --> 00:53:39,090
I looked him in the eye, and he indicated
he hadn't done the bombings.
1029
00:53:39,799 --> 00:53:42,177
It hits you hard, really hard.
1030
00:53:42,928 --> 00:53:45,138
He's been lying to you.
1031
00:53:46,056 --> 00:53:48,099
[Metcalfe] I remember hearing Mark say,
1032
00:53:48,808 --> 00:53:52,187
"I hope they catch
the bastards that did this."
1033
00:53:52,771 --> 00:53:54,940
And it's like, little did I realize
1034
00:53:55,023 --> 00:53:58,318
I was sitting next to the bastard
that did this.
1035
00:53:58,401 --> 00:54:01,404
[man 1] He was juggling
two giant deals at the same time,
1036
00:54:01,488 --> 00:54:03,114
for the so-called Oath of a Freeman…
1037
00:54:03,198 --> 00:54:04,908
[man 2] The so-called McLellin Collection…
1038
00:54:04,991 --> 00:54:06,868
Police say the papers don't exist.
1039
00:54:06,952 --> 00:54:11,081
No one can say that they've ever seen
the McLellin papers.
1040
00:54:11,164 --> 00:54:15,210
The Bureau is charging Mr. Hofmann
in regards to the bombings.
1041
00:54:16,962 --> 00:54:18,213
[George] At that point,
1042
00:54:18,296 --> 00:54:22,842
this whole house of cards
that Mark Hofmann had built
1043
00:54:23,802 --> 00:54:26,888
began to just completely fall apart.
1044
00:54:29,808 --> 00:54:31,810
[up-tempo sinister music playing]
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