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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:31,699 --> 00:00:37,230 Hey there! My name is Jonathan Blank, and I'll be your host for this movie making short 4 00:00:37,230 --> 00:00:41,750 statements about tall people. In case you didn't know the Dutch are the world's tallest 5 00:00:41,750 --> 00:00:46,839 people. I'm not sure why that's important, but I figured I'd mention it. In the US, where 6 00:00:46,839 --> 00:00:52,220 I'm from, I've heard some people talk about social democracy like it's a nightmarish hell. 7 00:00:52,220 --> 00:00:57,790 Back in the 1990s I made a documentary about Holland. At the time, it was the world's most 8 00:00:57,790 --> 00:01:03,089 liberal country, and it sure didn't seem like hell to me. But maybe I was too young, too 9 00:01:03,089 --> 00:01:09,299 naïve, and too stoned to realize how nightmarish it really was. So I decided to go back and 10 00:01:09,299 --> 00:01:14,750 re-evaluate the place with my older, wiser, and more nearsighted eyes. What I ultimately 11 00:01:14,750 --> 00:01:19,907 found will surprise you completely, partially, or not at all. 12 00:02:03,032 --> 00:02:10,240 Here more people think, well have a nice life. Enjoy your life. And there's a lot of freedom. 13 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:15,200 You have a lot of free time and it's paid for … that's also for Americans sometimes 14 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:20,350 astonishing that you do not only get paid during your holidays you get extra pay to 15 00:02:20,350 --> 00:02:24,380 enjoy your holidays. You get holiday pay on top of your pay? 16 00:02:24,380 --> 00:02:26,490 Yes. Is that required by law? 17 00:02:26,490 --> 00:02:28,860 Yeah. How much holiday pay do you get? 18 00:02:28,860 --> 00:02:34,760 You get one month's pay extra. You get one month's pay extra? So you get 19 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:36,710 4 weeks of vacation? At least. 20 00:02:36,710 --> 00:02:38,010 And that's paid? Yeah. 21 00:02:38,010 --> 00:02:40,220 And then you get one extra month. Yeah. 22 00:02:40,220 --> 00:02:42,180 So you're paid 13 months … Absolutely. 23 00:02:42,180 --> 00:02:44,540 And you work 11 months. Yeah. 24 00:02:44,540 --> 00:02:49,074 And that's by law. Yeah. 25 00:02:54,490 --> 00:03:02,590 Dutch adults are ranked as the fifth happiest in the world, and according to the UN, Dutch children are the happiest kids in the world. 26 00:03:02,590 --> 00:03:07,730 I went to speak with Professor Margreet de Looze, who is one of the authors of the UN study. 27 00:03:08,449 --> 00:03:11,949 So what is the main problem kids have in the Netherlands? 28 00:03:15,490 --> 00:03:16,969 That's a good question. 29 00:03:16,969 --> 00:03:21,980 The UN had a study, and they said that kids in Holland are the happiest kids in the world. 30 00:03:21,980 --> 00:03:24,510 Have you heard about that? Yeah we have. 31 00:03:25,074 --> 00:03:30,019 Freedom and independence, fantastic communication with their parents. The dinner table, or the 32 00:03:30,019 --> 00:03:35,680 breakfast table even, is an important part of a Dutch family, so everyone will sit around together. 33 00:03:35,708 --> 00:03:39,657 The parents finish work on time to come home and eat with their kids. 34 00:03:40,740 --> 00:03:41,490 Do you have to go? 35 00:03:41,659 --> 00:03:42,782 I have to go soon. 36 00:03:43,324 --> 00:03:44,699 All right, so we'll wrap up. 37 00:03:45,049 --> 00:03:47,041 And then spend the time around the table talking 38 00:03:47,115 --> 00:03:51,574 to each other, and that good communication carries on into the difficult teenage years. 39 00:03:51,719 --> 00:03:56,069 In the UNICEF survey, Dutch teenagers had the best relationships with their mothers 40 00:03:56,069 --> 00:03:58,990 and fathers of all the other countries surveyed. 41 00:03:59,625 --> 00:04:02,407 All our children are biking because as a parent 42 00:04:02,629 --> 00:04:08,849 and your child is 4, 5, 6, you give him the “sturen en handle” the steering wheel 43 00:04:08,849 --> 00:04:14,900 of the bike so you are quite autonomous that you can bike, and being autonomous makes you 44 00:04:14,900 --> 00:04:20,700 more happy then when you are not allowed to make your own decisions. 45 00:04:20,700 --> 00:04:24,030 There’s a socially supportive climate in school. 46 00:04:24,030 --> 00:04:26,865 What do you want to do do, Amber? Do you know? Law School. 47 00:04:26,990 --> 00:04:28,365 You want to go to law school. Yeah 48 00:04:28,448 --> 00:04:30,298 Oh really… high five! No. 49 00:04:30,370 --> 00:04:31,240 Please. 50 00:04:31,470 --> 00:04:35,400 And I think that's related to a larger cultural 51 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:41,550 characteristic of the Dutch society which is very low competitiveness, more emphasis 52 00:04:41,550 --> 00:04:44,449 on cooperation, on inclusion. 53 00:04:44,753 --> 00:04:47,449 The Dutch in a way already acknowledge this 54 00:04:47,532 --> 00:04:52,115 understanding that their child will more likely not become the valedictorian. 55 00:04:52,220 --> 00:04:55,240 In fact, they don't even have a valedictorian. They don’t have a valedictorian. 56 00:04:55,324 --> 00:04:58,615 They don’t even know what that is, actually. I didn’t know what it was. 57 00:04:58,699 --> 00:04:59,907 Really? Yeah. 58 00:05:00,199 --> 00:05:05,810 I actually think that makes a dramatic difference in how children grow up of not being put on 59 00:05:05,810 --> 00:05:09,860 a pedestal or … …Not being made to compete with other children 60 00:05:09,860 --> 00:05:16,060 but to be the best you can be yourself. So we might not have superstars, but one thing 61 00:05:16,060 --> 00:05:20,440 that I misunderstood as an American because I hate the word average it's something that's 62 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:24,600 just ingrained in our society. Who wants to be average when we can be great? 63 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:30,449 But what the Dutch accomplished within the education system is to have a really high level average. 64 00:05:30,860 --> 00:05:34,157 Much higher than what Americans would consider average. 65 00:05:34,282 --> 00:05:39,490 I'm going to email this to my sister immediately after this interview because she was valedictorian. 66 00:05:39,616 --> 00:05:40,365 Oh dear. 67 00:05:53,032 --> 00:05:56,030 Surprisingly. While Dutch kids are very happy, 68 00:05:56,030 --> 00:06:01,830 some moms I spoke with are unhappy about Dutch maternity leave policies that give women 16 69 00:06:01,830 --> 00:06:05,074 weeks of paid leave while men get only two days. 70 00:06:05,782 --> 00:06:08,950 There used to be a woman's party. Is there still a woman's party? 71 00:06:09,157 --> 00:06:10,449 In politics? Yeah. 72 00:06:10,907 --> 00:06:17,210 We do have an animal party. But we don’t have a specific women’s party. 73 00:06:17,210 --> 00:06:21,990 But there are some parties, mostly left wing parties, for whom gender equality is an important issue 74 00:06:21,990 --> 00:06:27,410 and who, for example, propose paternity leave. On some lists of gender equality the Netherlands 75 00:06:27,410 --> 00:06:34,020 score very high and on others they score very low. So if we look at the percentage of women 76 00:06:34,020 --> 00:06:39,450 who are active in the labor force we score very high, but they don't work full time so 77 00:06:39,450 --> 00:06:40,990 they won't reach the top. 78 00:06:41,734 --> 00:06:45,032 Everything is equal until you get children 79 00:06:45,115 --> 00:06:50,470 and then suddenly you feel the difference between men and women. Should I not work? 80 00:06:50,470 --> 00:06:55,930 Should I not have had children. What's the decision? There's no decision there. I always 81 00:06:55,930 --> 00:07:01,850 thought of feminists like they are angry women. It was not appealing to me, but then I thought, 82 00:07:01,850 --> 00:07:07,710 well if this is what I have to be, fuck I’m a feminist. So then I wrote the book about 83 00:07:07,710 --> 00:07:12,000 why we're working like we do and what we can do about it. 84 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,290 Did people get offended by that title? We say “fuck” a lot in Holland. 85 00:07:16,657 --> 00:07:17,865 We don't give a fuck. 86 00:07:17,969 --> 00:07:19,824 You fuck it up for your children. 87 00:07:19,974 --> 00:07:21,490 Really fucked up big-time. 88 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,032 What the fuck! 89 00:07:23,074 --> 00:07:26,157 Nobody has any fucking idea who the fuck anybody is anymore. 90 00:07:26,282 --> 00:07:27,407 Illegal as fuck. 91 00:07:27,532 --> 00:07:28,440 Um…. fuck off 92 00:07:28,699 --> 00:07:29,574 Fuck off! 93 00:07:29,782 --> 00:07:31,449 Eh…. fuck off. 94 00:07:31,907 --> 00:07:34,907 I’m telling you this is really fucked up shit. 95 00:07:46,782 --> 00:07:48,740 What was the word you used? Snoezel… 96 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:49,880 Snoezelzorg. 97 00:07:49,949 --> 00:07:54,970 Snoezelzorg. It’s when you have a disability or when 98 00:07:54,970 --> 00:07:59,920 you are physically challenged you can also get sexual service, and in the Netherlands 99 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:05,420 we have a special term for that which is Snoezelzorg. And is that covered by the insurance here? 100 00:08:05,420 --> 00:08:06,574 For some people yes. 101 00:08:06,615 --> 00:08:08,282 It’s interesting that the government would 102 00:08:08,370 --> 00:08:12,170 pay for someone to go to a sexologist. Um. 103 00:08:12,228 --> 00:08:15,478 So how does it work. Do you go to your doctor and get a prescription? 104 00:08:15,949 --> 00:08:19,865 Yeah, although it has changed lately. You can now also decide yourself. You don’t 105 00:08:19,930 --> 00:08:21,407 have to go to your doctor. 106 00:08:21,484 --> 00:08:25,532 My sex care practitioner work is for clients 107 00:08:25,620 --> 00:08:30,010 who are mentally or physically disabled. Do you have sex with people? 108 00:08:30,115 --> 00:08:34,570 Yes I do. Only safe. Do you pay taxes on that? Of course. 109 00:08:34,657 --> 00:08:39,169 Why shouldn’t I? You seem like you're comfortable being out 110 00:08:39,169 --> 00:08:44,339 and open about this. I think it's important to break taboo. 111 00:08:44,339 --> 00:08:49,589 And why is that important? It’s important that this kind of sex care 112 00:08:49,589 --> 00:08:54,690 is going into Insurance. You live in a small town, right. Do your neighbors 113 00:08:54,690 --> 00:08:56,871 know what you do for a living? Some do. 114 00:08:56,871 --> 00:09:01,899 Do you get any negativity towards you? No, I don’t. 115 00:09:02,115 --> 00:09:04,949 Can you teach a guy how to have multiple orgasms? 116 00:09:06,168 --> 00:09:08,365 That’s the standard question. 117 00:09:08,810 --> 00:09:15,070 I mean these insurance companies they have a certain a discretionary, I mean certain 118 00:09:15,070 --> 00:09:19,621 services they can say we do this, or we don't do it, and if it they don't do it you can 119 00:09:19,621 --> 00:09:24,000 appeal and you can go to the court of law and you know you may get your point or not. 120 00:09:24,115 --> 00:09:29,782 Are there people freaking out about that here? No. But if everybody would do they probably would. 121 00:09:29,949 --> 00:09:35,074 So if like 6 million males would, you know … then there would be a problem I guess. 122 00:09:35,190 --> 00:09:39,620 The Dutch national healthcare system has a high approval rating and is ranked as one 123 00:09:39,620 --> 00:09:44,480 of the best in the world. In this country almost the entire provider 124 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:50,710 landscape in healthcare is private nonprofit. It’s a private scheme but with all kinds 125 00:09:50,710 --> 00:09:57,030 of public regulations, risk-adjustment. Of course, more income dependent, but it's very 126 00:09:57,030 --> 00:10:02,270 much comparable to the Obamacare Affordable Care Act system actually. 127 00:10:02,907 --> 00:10:08,140 There is a certain kind of a basic package for everyone. It doesn't matter how rich you 128 00:10:08,140 --> 00:10:12,730 are etcetera. And there is a certain amount of money you have to pay for that. For a normal 129 00:10:12,730 --> 00:10:16,700 citizen that's which you have to pay privately is about 100 euros a month. 130 00:10:17,157 --> 00:10:21,820 Do you have the same health insurance as a senator as say my cameraman Bas? 131 00:10:21,820 --> 00:10:25,865 Absolutely. Yeah. The same hospitals, same doctors. 132 00:10:26,830 --> 00:10:34,450 In 2006 it was determined by law that no family in the Netherlands could spend more than 5% 133 00:10:34,450 --> 00:10:38,210 of their income in healthcare. Do you have the health insurance CEOs making 134 00:10:38,210 --> 00:10:43,700 millions like in the US. No, no, no, no. There is a law that states 135 00:10:43,700 --> 00:10:48,830 that everybody who works with public money, and healthcare is considered to be public 136 00:10:48,830 --> 00:10:53,490 money, is not allowed to earn more than the prime minister. 137 00:10:56,570 --> 00:11:01,260 The Dutch national healthcare system provides a comprehensive policy which covers a very 138 00:11:01,260 --> 00:11:05,449 broad range of treatments that even includes gender reassignment. 139 00:11:09,282 --> 00:11:14,380 When you feel like you're transgender you go to the VU Medical Center Hospital here 140 00:11:14,380 --> 00:11:19,639 in the Netherlands. They have a gender team, the biggest gender team in the world I believe, 141 00:11:19,639 --> 00:11:25,990 and then you have access to hormones if you desire, to surgeries if you desire that are 142 00:11:25,990 --> 00:11:31,657 covered by your Healthcare which is amazing. And you don't have people protesting saying 143 00:11:31,790 --> 00:11:34,282 I don't want to pay for that? No. 144 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:43,260 Interestingly, the VU University Medical Center used to be a Christian Hospital it has a Christian 145 00:11:43,260 --> 00:11:48,782 background and here was where it started in the 1970s. And it’s said it's out of a sort 146 00:11:48,860 --> 00:11:57,115 of gratefulness, maybe even because it were Christian doctors working here that it could happen here. 147 00:11:57,574 --> 00:12:00,300 If you live in a space as we do where it’s 148 00:12:00,300 --> 00:12:04,270 relatively safe of course there's also hate crimes here of course there's also violence 149 00:12:04,270 --> 00:12:09,074 here but the social space is safer for trans people. 150 00:12:09,150 --> 00:12:14,865 It's increasing every year like many countries and in some countries it's even increasing 151 00:12:14,970 --> 00:12:20,574 100% every year. So that's what we also see, very sharp increase in referrals. 152 00:12:20,650 --> 00:12:23,540 I really like your story about the humor. Yeah, it’s awful. 153 00:12:23,540 --> 00:12:26,290 The people laughing at your jokes more now. Yeah. 154 00:12:26,290 --> 00:12:29,282 While they’re the same jokes. While they’re the same stupid jokes. 155 00:12:29,380 --> 00:12:33,574 How old do you have to be? So that's what the VU Medical Center is actually 156 00:12:33,660 --> 00:12:35,740 famous for is treating kids. 157 00:12:36,762 --> 00:12:39,490 We also see the young ones before puberty, 158 00:12:39,574 --> 00:12:45,407 but we only see them most of the time for it for just diagnostic and a short advice. 159 00:12:45,910 --> 00:12:52,390 And then they have this revolutionary treatment of hormone blockers, puberty blockers. 160 00:12:52,949 --> 00:12:57,170 I think here in the Netherlands we were the first that started providing blockers. 161 00:12:57,282 --> 00:13:01,790 It has come to be called The Dutch approach. What do the blockers do? 162 00:13:01,865 --> 00:13:08,310 So they block puberty development and once you stop the blockers puberty from the birth 163 00:13:08,310 --> 00:13:14,320 assigned sex will start again. So it's a fully reversible treatment, but at the same time 164 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:19,782 you don't develop the sex characteristics of the gender you don't experience yourself in. 165 00:13:20,907 --> 00:13:22,839 Coverage of gender reassignment surgery is 166 00:13:22,839 --> 00:13:28,339 part of a larger acceptance for alternatives to traditional gender definitions in the Netherlands 167 00:13:28,339 --> 00:13:34,657 and Dutch courts have ruled that parents no longer have to specify a gender on their children's birth certificates. 168 00:13:34,740 --> 00:13:36,600 LGB population. 169 00:13:36,865 --> 00:13:38,907 LGBT you should say nowadays. 170 00:13:39,192 --> 00:13:40,407 LGBTQ. 171 00:13:40,567 --> 00:13:42,574 LGBTQ…I. 172 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,824 Intersex is being born with more or less. 173 00:13:51,074 --> 00:13:53,240 Ambiguous...Ambiguous... 174 00:13:53,949 --> 00:13:57,032 No. Because then it gets binary again. 175 00:13:57,536 --> 00:14:00,240 Why should we actually have genders? 176 00:14:00,370 --> 00:14:03,865 Maybe we should skip it all together and just talk about people. 177 00:14:15,824 --> 00:14:19,157 There are 4 basic models for healthcare around the world. 178 00:14:19,824 --> 00:14:22,651 Single-payer healthcare delivers 100% coverage 179 00:14:22,949 --> 00:14:28,324 by having the government provide and pay for healthcare through taxes, just like public education. 180 00:14:28,782 --> 00:14:33,590 The government pays doctors, hospitals, and drug costs, keeping expenses down. 181 00:14:33,740 --> 00:14:38,074 It's used in countries like the UK, Spain, and throughout Scandinavia. 182 00:14:39,324 --> 00:14:44,180 Single-payer Insurance achieves 100% coverage by having the government run a single health 183 00:14:44,180 --> 00:14:49,399 insurance program that everyone pays into. Since there is only one insurance company 184 00:14:49,399 --> 00:14:52,865 they have low overhead and can negotiate better prices. 185 00:14:53,449 --> 00:14:57,282 It's used in countries like Canada, Taiwan, and South Korea. 186 00:14:59,407 --> 00:15:02,480 Social health insurance provides 100% coverage 187 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:07,240 using a private insurance system financed by employers, workers, and taxes. 188 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:13,240 Though healthcare is private, the system is not for profit and tightly regulated which keeps costs down. 189 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,490 It's used in countries like Germany, Japan, and the Netherlands. 190 00:15:19,418 --> 00:15:20,824 (Beep) the poor healthcare. 191 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,680 In poor countries patients pay for whatever they can afford. 192 00:15:24,865 --> 00:15:28,990 The basic rule is that the rich get treatment while the poor get sick and die. 193 00:15:29,282 --> 00:15:33,199 It's how it is in most of Africa, India, China, and South America 194 00:15:34,318 --> 00:15:35,907 The maximum inefficiency model. 195 00:15:36,820 --> 00:15:39,940 The US is the only developed country that doesn't provide 196 00:15:39,940 --> 00:15:45,290 universal healthcare. It's also the country that spends the most on healthcare by far. 197 00:15:45,290 --> 00:15:50,750 Many workers get insurance through their jobs, the elderly use Medicare, veterans have the VA, 198 00:15:50,750 --> 00:15:56,120 and the destitute use Medicaid. Everyone else gets access to a doctor if they can raise 199 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:57,782 money on GoFundMe. 200 00:16:24,449 --> 00:16:27,324 Where did the Netherlands’ reputation for tolerance come from? 201 00:16:27,907 --> 00:16:34,770 It started already in the 17th century in. Holland has as it’s called its “Golden Age” where it started practically to rule 202 00:16:34,770 --> 00:16:39,180 the world as merchants. Not so much as an imperial power, but as merchants, because 203 00:16:39,180 --> 00:16:43,540 it was a republic, cities were important and in the cities the merchants the big merchants 204 00:16:43,540 --> 00:16:49,490 were the boss and merchants don't like conflicts because that's bad for business. 205 00:16:49,870 --> 00:16:54,210 To learn about the Netherlands’ Golden Age, I headed over to the country's national art 206 00:16:54,210 --> 00:16:59,470 museum, the Rijksmuseum. Well the Golden Age is say roughly from the 207 00:16:59,470 --> 00:17:07,407 late 1500s until the late 1600s. We generally refer to it as like the 17th Century, but 208 00:17:07,470 --> 00:17:14,240 the real power was roughly between 1620 and 1670. Our saints are the painters of the Golden Age. 209 00:17:14,365 --> 00:17:18,709 Frans Hals and Jan Steen, Johannes Vermeer, the big guys from the 17th Century. But in 210 00:17:18,709 --> 00:17:23,289 the same belief system there's only one God and that is Rembrandt runs right up there 211 00:17:23,289 --> 00:17:27,679 in the place where in an actual church you would find the altar. That sacred space is 212 00:17:27,679 --> 00:17:30,449 reserved for this museum for the Night Watch. 213 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:41,407 And this is a bust of a mayor called Andries de Graeff and the way he poses tells you everything about the obsession 214 00:17:41,490 --> 00:17:48,450 we have in the Golden Age and that is the Roman Empire, the republic as a state form. Y’know they have the renaissance 215 00:17:48,450 --> 00:17:53,429 body language, the renaissance elbow. This is power. If you’re with your hand like 216 00:17:53,429 --> 00:17:55,720 this it’s always power. I’m going to remember that. 217 00:17:55,720 --> 00:18:00,059 Yeah, you have to do it. If you want to imitate Mussolini you need both hands for that. 218 00:18:00,059 --> 00:18:05,169 I don't know if I want to go that far. Well you have the same hairdo. 219 00:18:06,199 --> 00:18:09,590 But for some people the Golden Age wasn't so golden. 220 00:18:10,157 --> 00:18:15,020 The Dutch, they don't want to acknowledge that their Golden Age was financed a lot by 221 00:18:15,020 --> 00:18:18,740 slavery and that's why Surinamese people are here. 222 00:18:19,793 --> 00:18:21,615 A lot of the Dutch youth, 223 00:18:21,740 --> 00:18:24,100 they don't even know why Surinamese people are here. 224 00:18:24,100 --> 00:18:27,590 Did you guys learn about the history of the Dutch slave trade at school? 225 00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:29,779 Yeah, we did. You did? 226 00:18:29,779 --> 00:18:36,340 Yeah, we did. We got all the history of the Netherlands from start to finish until now 227 00:18:36,340 --> 00:18:42,570 but the slave trade is a really painful topic so you get it. This is how it was and 228 00:18:42,570 --> 00:18:43,740 why we did it. Next topic. 229 00:18:44,365 --> 00:18:49,690 Are there any paintings that deal with the slave trade? No, we do have some artworks that deal with 230 00:18:49,690 --> 00:18:54,960 slavery as such but we have to go down one floor for that. That's in the 19th century department, 231 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,490 the last century we still owned Suriname. 232 00:19:13,115 --> 00:19:15,949 So slavery is more here in this corner. 233 00:19:20,199 --> 00:19:25,199 So out of the whole museum this is all you have on slavery? 234 00:19:25,199 --> 00:19:28,730 Yes, it is quite small. Doesn’t that seem strange to you? 235 00:19:28,730 --> 00:19:34,320 Of course it’s so easy to use Rembrandt as a banner and show all the greatness and 236 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:38,669 the good things we have done. But the Dutch are more and more trying to get to terms with 237 00:19:38,669 --> 00:19:44,389 the dark side of their history very much spurred on by people who are really vocal about it. 238 00:19:44,389 --> 00:19:51,140 I learned about the Golden Age. I learned about how rich the Netherlands was, but I 239 00:19:51,140 --> 00:19:56,519 never learned the downside of it. I never learned about how Amsterdam is also built 240 00:19:56,519 --> 00:20:01,039 with slave money, and that is something that's resurfacing. That's something that is being 241 00:20:01,039 --> 00:20:03,199 taught. There is a lot of awareness being created. 242 00:20:04,690 --> 00:20:09,539 To find out more about the black experience in Holland, I went to talk to an old friend, 243 00:20:09,539 --> 00:20:14,450 Guilly Koster. As usual, it was hard to get him to tell me what he really thought. 244 00:20:14,450 --> 00:20:19,282 I have a vlog and this vlog is called “Fok Jou.” 245 00:20:21,159 --> 00:20:30,131 All of the black men I know, and they're not criminals, we are just being picked on. Even 246 00:20:30,131 --> 00:20:35,730 if you're the goalkeeper of the Dutch national team, the police will stop you and ask you 247 00:20:35,730 --> 00:20:38,157 why are you driving a Mercedes. 248 00:20:41,290 --> 00:20:43,809 One major flashpoint for racial tensions is 249 00:20:43,809 --> 00:20:48,960 the Dutch custom known as Zwarte Piet, or Black Pete, who is supposed to be Saint Nicholas’s 250 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:54,640 black sidekick. As part of Dutch Christmas celebrations many people dress up in blackface, 251 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,990 and black people aren't too happy about it, 252 00:20:57,074 --> 00:21:04,730 The words silly and unrealistic work were redefined when I learned that Saint Nicholas travels with what was consistently described 253 00:21:04,730 --> 00:21:10,989 as 6 to 8 black men. I asked several Dutch people to narrow it down, but none of them 254 00:21:10,989 --> 00:21:15,809 could give me an exact number. It was always six to eight which seems strange seeing as 255 00:21:15,809 --> 00:21:21,870 they’ve had hundreds of years to get a decent count. The six to eight black men were characterized 256 00:21:21,870 --> 00:21:26,869 as personal slaves until the mid-50s when the political climate changed, and it was 257 00:21:26,869 --> 00:21:32,600 decided that instead of being slaves they were just good friends. I think history is 258 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:38,769 proven that something usually comes between slavery and friendship. A period of time marked 259 00:21:38,769 --> 00:21:45,009 not by cookies and quiet times beside the fire but by bloodshed and mutual hostility. 260 00:21:45,009 --> 00:21:50,620 You can have the biggest fight about Zwarte Piet here in The Netherlands. The biggest 261 00:21:50,620 --> 00:21:56,074 fight. The biggest controversy about a … schlemiel. 262 00:21:56,490 --> 00:22:01,769 So it was like the 5th of December. You know the night where we're supposed to open up all the presents. Zwarte Piet is going to 263 00:22:01,769 --> 00:22:05,679 come and bring a stack of gifts, and we had a ring on the doorbell. My daughter whips open 264 00:22:05,679 --> 00:22:11,129 the door, and there standing in the door is Stanley the Surinamese guy who delivers packages 265 00:22:11,129 --> 00:22:16,409 on our block. My daughter she's like awwww, and I'm trying to get to the door before she 266 00:22:16,409 --> 00:22:22,440 gets there. I’m like nooooo. And my daughters like Zwarte Piet! And y’know, the American 267 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,609 in me was thinking like my god my daughter is a racist. 268 00:22:26,609 --> 00:22:33,859 My mom used to tell us this is a weird tradition. Don't, don't, don't, don't, you know take 269 00:22:33,859 --> 00:22:37,519 whatever you want to take the gifts and stuff, but this is really weird. You need to know 270 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:41,539 that this is not okay. So I was raised with that notion, and the uncles, the black men 271 00:22:41,539 --> 00:22:46,379 in the refugee camp, would be like ‘oh my god there we go again every year.' 272 00:22:46,379 --> 00:22:50,989 But public opinion on Black Pete is rapidly changing and the general consensus seems to 273 00:22:50,989 --> 00:22:53,365 be that it's time for him to evolve. 274 00:22:53,988 --> 00:22:55,949 It isn't hallelujah here in the Netherlands. 275 00:22:55,950 --> 00:23:00,610 There are some racial problems, but overall if you look at all the other countries it's 276 00:23:00,610 --> 00:23:04,730 best to be in in Holland in to be a Dutch woman. 277 00:23:04,730 --> 00:23:07,119 I still think that The Netherlands is the best. 278 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,330 And why is that? I love this country. I'm happy with our healthcare 279 00:23:11,330 --> 00:23:17,289 system. I'm happy with the political system. I'm happy with our educational system. And 280 00:23:17,289 --> 00:23:22,990 I'm happy with the fact that there are possibilities to work on all these levels. 281 00:23:23,157 --> 00:23:29,159 In my opinion there's two types of integration. You have the melting pot. You give up who you are and 282 00:23:29,159 --> 00:23:34,309 I give up who I am and we become something new, we melt together. This is what we have 283 00:23:34,309 --> 00:23:41,289 been trying, but it's not working. So I suggest we try the salad bowl model where the carrot 284 00:23:41,289 --> 00:23:45,639 is the carrot and the tomato the tomato the onion the onion, and we're still in this big 285 00:23:45,639 --> 00:23:52,019 bowl together and say ‘oh you're the onion. Fine I'm the tomato. Let's meet. Let's make 286 00:23:52,019 --> 00:23:57,809 the salad. You know let's live together.' Rather than becoming I want to become a tomato. 287 00:23:57,809 --> 00:24:02,309 An onion is never going to become a tomato. I'm okay with this as long as we can get rid 288 00:24:02,309 --> 00:24:06,990 of the capers. The capers yeah. Motherfuckers need to get out. 289 00:24:18,919 --> 00:24:23,379 One of the things Holland is well known for is its legalized prostitution with a visit 290 00:24:23,379 --> 00:24:28,970 to the red light district a common tourist attraction. But like many old Dutch institutions 291 00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:31,365 prostitution also has been changing. 292 00:24:32,265 --> 00:24:34,490 Prostitution is legal, but only in a very 293 00:24:34,499 --> 00:24:41,509 small frame. We have a system where city councils are allowed to create their own rules within 294 00:24:41,509 --> 00:24:45,409 a certain frame and that makes it for a lot of sex workers impossible to be an independent 295 00:24:45,409 --> 00:24:49,200 sex worker in the city they live in. Here in Amsterdam you can only work behind the 296 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,539 window as an independent sex worker, and you can work from a brothel, but then you need 297 00:24:53,539 --> 00:24:58,019 to work under the license of the brothel owner. But if you want to be like an independent 298 00:24:58,019 --> 00:25:02,729 sex worker working from your own home or in your own home that's something that's not 299 00:25:02,729 --> 00:25:08,240 allowed. There are 292 windows left and we're coming from around 400. 300 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,669 And what's behind the move to reduce the number of windows? 301 00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:17,230 We say gentrification. The city council says human trafficking, but there wasn’t really 302 00:25:17,230 --> 00:25:23,179 a legal base to do that so a lot of brothel owners were just bought out with tax money. 303 00:25:23,179 --> 00:25:27,609 Are people okay with that? Yeah, because if you frame it as fighting 304 00:25:27,609 --> 00:25:32,859 human trafficking, people are easy to stand with that claim, but a lot of sex workers 305 00:25:32,859 --> 00:25:39,909 lost their window and to us it's very problematic. In 2000 we had the ban on brothels lifted 306 00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:46,269 and we saw that there were around 1,300 licensed places and now we are around 700. 307 00:25:46,269 --> 00:25:53,139 So instead of having more safe, legal places to work we are having less of those spaces 308 00:25:53,139 --> 00:25:57,809 and we are not allowed to create our own work and create our own businesses on our own terms. 309 00:25:57,809 --> 00:26:01,240 So that's problematic, and we try to get rid of that law. 310 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,000 Interestingly, Yvette’s organization is partially funded by the government. 311 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,580 We’ve got a big project fund from our ministry of safety and justice. 312 00:26:09,580 --> 00:26:11,429 And they give you money? Yes. 313 00:26:11,429 --> 00:26:16,559 Well that's kind of cool. That is kind of cool and it’s also, it’s 314 00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:23,240 very important if you want to have a healthy and meaningful policy on sex work you have to include sex workers. 315 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,365 Prostitution in the Netherlands is regulated. 316 00:26:26,529 --> 00:26:31,639 In most cities you will need a license to operate legally, and it means that we have 317 00:26:31,639 --> 00:26:36,100 to follow a very strict rules. There are a lot of measures that the Amsterdam city council 318 00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:42,029 took to make sure that everybody that works in prostitution does so out of their own free will. 319 00:26:42,029 --> 00:26:47,169 And there's also a lot of responsibility for the people that for example have an escort 320 00:26:47,169 --> 00:26:50,509 agency or that own a club. How much does it cost? 321 00:26:50,509 --> 00:26:57,090 It start with 2 hours and for two hours a client pays 700 Euros and then it can go up 322 00:26:57,090 --> 00:27:01,190 to well like whatever. Do you take credit cards? 323 00:27:01,190 --> 00:27:03,782 We do, with a 10% service charge. 324 00:27:04,907 --> 00:27:13,615 Probably the biggest factor in the slow demise of Holland's red light district is the same thing that's disrupting every industry - the internet. 325 00:27:13,615 --> 00:27:16,389 When we first started, the internet was like 326 00:27:16,389 --> 00:27:20,989 a small thing so then you had the Yellow Pages. The Yellow Pages were really like the main 327 00:27:20,989 --> 00:27:24,509 communication means at that time and now of course it’s the internet. 328 00:27:25,157 --> 00:27:30,690 How do you get your clients? From an advertisement on Kinky.nl 329 00:27:30,690 --> 00:27:34,940 Is that where most people advertise? Oh yeah it is a very busy there. 330 00:27:34,940 --> 00:27:40,330 And what is your ad say? 25 year old trans girl. Come visit me. I have 331 00:27:40,330 --> 00:27:43,940 some nice of pictures also. Something like that. 332 00:27:43,940 --> 00:27:47,980 And how many emails do you get a day? I think 60 messages. 333 00:27:47,980 --> 00:27:50,479 So you could be really busy if you wanted to. 334 00:27:50,479 --> 00:27:57,320 Yeah, but not everybody comes. And sometimes it is just for 'I want to have a nice a conversation.' 335 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,789 That doesn't bring me money. You don't charge for conversation? 336 00:28:01,789 --> 00:28:04,159 No. Why not? Maybe you should. 337 00:28:04,159 --> 00:28:06,907 Well that's another thing. 338 00:28:08,824 --> 00:28:16,779 Simona, Janey’s partner is, believe it or not, a former Italian championship professional wrestler who moved to the Netherlands. 339 00:28:16,779 --> 00:28:23,899 When you have to get a window if you are in the day it’s 80, 110 Euros. If you are in 340 00:28:23,899 --> 00:28:30,360 the night 140, 150. That means that you need 3, 4 customers only for pay the cost. So working 341 00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:32,365 at home is better. 342 00:28:32,538 --> 00:28:35,997 Is looking for a trans prostitute super popular? 343 00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:37,149 Yeah. It is. 344 00:28:37,149 --> 00:28:41,249 It is. And I think it will be more over time. 345 00:28:41,249 --> 00:28:49,059 Why do you think that's so popular? People are sick of a normal thing I think. 346 00:28:49,059 --> 00:28:53,869 They want something special, They want to see a nice a woman and then with something 347 00:28:53,869 --> 00:28:57,365 special and so in this case it is my dick. 348 00:28:57,865 --> 00:29:00,690 The trans have more clients than the women. 349 00:29:00,690 --> 00:29:06,960 When I was working in the windows, the girls had 1 and I had 4. 350 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:13,859 Do you feel free here in the Netherlands? Yeah. It is a good thing here. 351 00:29:13,859 --> 00:29:16,649 Have you experienced discrimination? Oh yeah. 352 00:29:16,649 --> 00:29:19,559 Like what? When I’m walking on the street and people 353 00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:24,759 say ‘hey man’ or ‘faggot’ or that kind of shit. 354 00:29:24,759 --> 00:29:28,470 Do you find it very much by the neighborhood? Oh yeah. 355 00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:32,859 So what are the worst neighborhoods? Basically where the Muslims are. 356 00:29:32,859 --> 00:29:36,960 They’re the ones calling you names? Yeah they say everything to me. 357 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,700 Do you feel unsafe? For me, I don't feel unsafe there because 358 00:29:40,700 --> 00:29:47,907 I just a walking there and then do my thing. But I can understand for many people they do. 359 00:29:48,157 --> 00:29:50,000 Are you mad at the Muslims? 360 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:55,779 It is not mad, but that they are different I think. They think like that okay. But the 361 00:29:55,779 --> 00:30:02,615 funny thing is the next day I have the same men that is a calling me and want to fuck. 362 00:30:02,615 --> 00:30:03,929 So you get Muslim men? 363 00:30:03,929 --> 00:30:10,669 Oh yeah. A lot of them. A lot of them. What percentage? Do you have any idea? 364 00:30:10,669 --> 00:30:13,907 I think 60%. 365 00:30:16,452 --> 00:30:18,907 What changes have you seen in the last 20 years? 366 00:30:19,282 --> 00:30:22,599 It’s much more conservative and also what’s 367 00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:28,389 really a very big difference is that now a lot of the times when people talk about prostitution, 368 00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:34,450 they talk about human trafficking like it's the same. But the service itself not that 369 00:30:34,450 --> 00:30:41,840 much changed actually. You know sex is sex and sex was sex 20 years ago so not much difference 370 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:47,129 in that. I still think it's an amazing business and I really enjoy it … wonderful with the 371 00:30:47,129 --> 00:30:52,029 girls. We've got great clients. We’ve got great staff. So even things might be getting 372 00:30:52,029 --> 00:30:57,629 a bit more difficult but it's still I mean there's so much more pros than there are cons. 373 00:30:57,629 --> 00:31:01,399 It's part of my identity. It's part of my career identity. It’s part of my sex positive 374 00:31:01,399 --> 00:31:07,019 identity. I’m a feminist. I feel much more liberated often when I do sex work then when 375 00:31:07,019 --> 00:31:08,782 I do something else. 376 00:31:09,682 --> 00:31:10,682 I love my job. 377 00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:14,619 What do you say to people who say you can't be happy doing a job like that? 378 00:31:14,619 --> 00:31:22,450 When people say me that I always say to them I am like a psychologist. You go to them. 379 00:31:22,450 --> 00:31:29,979 You put out all your bad feelings, bad things and the psychologist make you happy. I take 380 00:31:29,979 --> 00:31:33,190 other things from you, but in the end I make you happy. 381 00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:39,509 Yeah for me it is just a normal job, I mean I sell my body and for example you are 382 00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:44,940 selling a cars or I don't know. Well movies hopefully. 383 00:31:44,940 --> 00:31:48,032 Or movies … I don't know. 384 00:32:01,699 --> 00:32:09,220 Polderen they call it. You know … to look at it from all sides and then to look at the best possible solution. 385 00:32:09,220 --> 00:32:13,590 Polders are pieces of land in between dykes that have been reclaimed from the sea. 386 00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:18,429 For the Dutch they've come to represent a way of working together to ensure common interests. 387 00:32:19,115 --> 00:32:24,139 The Dutch society was built up according to pillars. Like you had the Catholics, you had 388 00:32:24,139 --> 00:32:28,400 the Protestants, you had the socialist and then you had the liberals. But they all have 389 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:35,490 to kind of work together so there’s this consensus mentality where everybody gets a little bit. 390 00:32:35,949 --> 00:32:39,690 The landscape requires a good deal of common 391 00:32:39,690 --> 00:32:44,599 cause and so then you do have to overcome your religious differences or you do have 392 00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:49,600 to overcome your class differences in order to work together. So the Dutch, despite the 393 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,909 fact, or maybe precisely because of the fact that they were a kaleidoscope different convictions 394 00:32:53,909 --> 00:33:00,782 had to find ways to work together nevertheless and defend themselves against common enemies including the water. 395 00:33:02,074 --> 00:33:03,690 But not everyone likes the polder model. 396 00:33:04,365 --> 00:33:07,779 The polder model sucks and we have to get rid of that. 397 00:33:07,779 --> 00:33:13,090 Marianne Thieme is the chairperson of the Party for the Animals, the world's first political 398 00:33:13,090 --> 00:33:17,032 party that represents the rights of animals other than humans. 399 00:33:30,369 --> 00:33:36,269 Traditional politicians do not have the answers for the current problems. I call them fossil 400 00:33:36,269 --> 00:33:43,960 politicians. The politicians are dictated by the GDP. We want to get rid of this index. 401 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:50,529 The index should be safety, health, the index of happiness, the index of sustainability. 402 00:33:50,529 --> 00:33:56,260 And that will change our way of thinking. We've got two seats in the senate and 5 in 403 00:33:56,260 --> 00:34:03,449 the lower house and then 45 in regional parliaments, city councils. So yeah, we are growing. 404 00:34:03,865 --> 00:34:11,290 By focusing on animal rights and by focusing on our food one touches a lot of other big 405 00:34:11,290 --> 00:34:17,109 problems in the world. The fact that the factory farming industry is one of the major contributors 406 00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:23,000 to greenhouse gas emissions, to biodiversity loss, to a manure problem that's got out of 407 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:29,810 hand. If you try to save an animal life at the same time you try to save a human life. 408 00:34:29,810 --> 00:34:31,990 In fact you try to save the planet. 409 00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:34,649 In the US party animal means something totally different. 410 00:34:34,649 --> 00:34:39,115 I know, but we like to party as well, so it’s no problem. 411 00:34:39,574 --> 00:34:41,879 Thanks in part to the Party for the Animals, 412 00:34:41,879 --> 00:34:46,649 the Dutch have some of the strongest animal rights legislation in the world. They've also 413 00:34:46,649 --> 00:34:53,240 received a lot of attention because they no longer have any stray dogs and every shelter is no kill. 414 00:34:53,490 --> 00:34:58,460 In Holland, municipalities became responsible for animals 415 00:34:58,460 --> 00:35:05,490 on the street. So it means when someone sees a cat or a dog without an owner, the municipality 416 00:35:05,490 --> 00:35:09,657 has to take care of it and so they are paying the shelters. 417 00:35:11,449 --> 00:35:13,650 Do they have an animal party in the us? 418 00:35:13,650 --> 00:35:17,130 I don't know. I don’t think so. I don’t think so. 419 00:35:17,130 --> 00:35:19,907 We barely have a party for humans in the US. 420 00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:27,140 Farm animals have a significant effect on climate change, especially for the Dutch, 421 00:35:27,140 --> 00:35:33,907 because the Netherlands is the world's second largest exporter of agricultural products after the United States. 422 00:35:34,865 --> 00:35:36,260 I just came back from the amazon and there's 423 00:35:36,260 --> 00:35:42,329 a lot of soy being exported. Most of the soy goes to china to feed the 700 million pigs 424 00:35:42,329 --> 00:35:47,240 in china. But the second destination for soy from the amazon is The Netherlands because 425 00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:53,980 there’s about a hundred million animals kept here. The Netherlands imports soy from brazil 426 00:35:53,980 --> 00:35:58,615 that grows in brazil on an area size of half of the Netherlands. 427 00:35:58,615 --> 00:36:02,699 Beef is the main cause of global deforestation in the world. 428 00:36:03,408 --> 00:36:05,740 20 years ago I think people quite rightly 429 00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:09,391 saw The Netherlands as one of the advanced countries on environmental issues. I have 430 00:36:09,391 --> 00:36:13,840 to say I think we lost that position. There is there is no … at least if you look at 431 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:18,589 it from government policies or ambitions and all that. In any research that is conducted 432 00:36:18,589 --> 00:36:23,250 by the European union on the state of environment we are always at the bottom. 433 00:36:23,250 --> 00:36:27,059 What happened to Dutch environmental policies in the last 20 years? 434 00:36:27,059 --> 00:36:31,831 I think are two important factors. And one is sort of what you saw a globally especially 435 00:36:31,831 --> 00:36:36,260 after 9/11 also in the Netherlands there was a rise of populism. And there was sort of 436 00:36:36,260 --> 00:36:43,210 the swing to the right. And I think the other thing is what people underestimate is the 437 00:36:43,210 --> 00:36:48,880 Netherlands is a truly deeply fossil fuel-based country. Shell is Dutch company. We have the 438 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,651 largest petrochemical ports in Europe. We have the largest gas reserve in Europe. We 439 00:36:53,651 --> 00:36:57,074 have one of the biggest transport industries. 440 00:36:57,299 --> 00:37:01,240 I'm a friend of the then CEO of Shell, Jeroen van der Veer, 441 00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:07,630 and he and I talked a lot in the 90s and early 2000s when he became CEO 442 00:37:07,630 --> 00:37:13,339 and he really set up a whole division for sustainability within Shell. And it was only 443 00:37:13,339 --> 00:37:18,839 that the shareholders said no no this is too costly. A significant part of our climate 444 00:37:18,839 --> 00:37:25,579 agenda moved into a adaptation, and over the last 10 years billions are now being invested 445 00:37:25,579 --> 00:37:30,450 in protecting our country against sea level rise. I'm a coastal engineer. I say, OK, maybe 446 00:37:30,450 --> 00:37:35,579 we can manage one meter, maybe we can manage 2 meters. But whether we could manage 4 meters 447 00:37:35,579 --> 00:37:41,070 or 6 meters, this even looks to me beyond control. I'm optimistic, but on sea level 448 00:37:41,070 --> 00:37:43,824 rise there is no reason to be optimistic. 449 00:37:45,537 --> 00:37:47,819 But the environmental news isn't all bad. 450 00:37:48,490 --> 00:37:53,180 The climate change commitments of Dutch banks are good compared to many of their peers. 451 00:37:53,180 --> 00:37:57,630 So we are happy, for example, that ING, by far the largest Dutch bank, has committed 452 00:37:57,630 --> 00:37:59,907 to not finance the coal sector any longer. 453 00:38:00,478 --> 00:38:03,240 We have together with Norway the biggest number 454 00:38:03,260 --> 00:38:08,849 of electric cars. We have the biggest number of charging stations. We have the highest 455 00:38:08,849 --> 00:38:13,049 rate of recycling of all kinds of materials be it paper, glass, and plastic. 456 00:38:13,049 --> 00:38:17,210 I don’t know if you saw the movie that was put out, that the Dutch railways put out. 457 00:38:17,210 --> 00:38:23,220 You should look for it. You see the CEO of the Dutch railway companies tied to one of 458 00:38:23,220 --> 00:38:28,615 the old traditional windmills and he's saying look we’re 100% wind power let's go. 459 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,450 One of the more interesting developments in Dutch environmental policy comes from the 460 00:38:56,450 --> 00:39:01,090 trailblazing Urgenda case where a group of environmentalists took the Dutch government 461 00:39:01,090 --> 00:39:05,460 to court for failing to meet its climate change obligations. 462 00:39:05,460 --> 00:39:10,289 In the last 20 years we have had many right-wing governments that thought that the market should 463 00:39:10,289 --> 00:39:15,119 do the work and the market doesn't do this work. And then it was a member of our think 464 00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:20,880 tank, Roger Cox, wrote a book that's called Revolution Justified, and in this book he 465 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:26,309 makes the analysis that it’s needed to prevent climate change much quicker than we do right 466 00:39:26,309 --> 00:39:31,150 now and that the only democratic way that he could see that could still function was 467 00:39:31,150 --> 00:39:36,270 to go to court. And actually nobody in the Netherlands and abroad expected that we would 468 00:39:36,270 --> 00:39:41,780 win. But we won and then within half an hour it was all over the world that the judge has 469 00:39:41,780 --> 00:39:45,970 said that the that the Dutch government should do 25% less CO2. 470 00:39:45,970 --> 00:39:50,299 Urgenda’s victory is the first time that a judge has legally required a government 471 00:39:50,299 --> 00:39:55,380 to act on climate change. It's transformed the debate in Holland and inspired similar 472 00:39:55,380 --> 00:39:59,540 cases in many other countries including the United States. 473 00:39:59,540 --> 00:40:04,299 There is an enormous urgency to stay below 1.5 degree, and then we should really be on 474 00:40:04,299 --> 00:40:10,700 zero fossil fuels in 2030. Is it easy? No of course not. It’s an enormous task and 475 00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:15,180 it will demand a lot from everybody. But it’s still possible and in 15 years’ time it’s 476 00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:17,657 not possible anymore. Then we are too late. 477 00:40:18,522 --> 00:40:22,032 I made an agreement with my wife to protect 478 00:40:22,050 --> 00:40:30,170 my relation. And I promised her I will stop drinking in 2030, I will stop smoking in 2040, 479 00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:38,590 and I will quit with my girlfriend in 2050. This relation is the relation between the 480 00:40:38,590 --> 00:40:42,849 humanity and planet earth which is fixed in Paris. 481 00:40:42,907 --> 00:40:49,199 Maybe if you give up your girlfriend first you can save your marriage and then give up drinking and smoking later. 482 00:40:49,907 --> 00:40:52,700 Holland 100 years ago we were heating our 483 00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:57,559 houses with coal. Then we found the gas, and then the government said hey that's a good 484 00:40:57,559 --> 00:41:03,170 idea. Do you have any idea how many years does it need to put every house in Holland 485 00:41:03,170 --> 00:41:07,319 from coal to gas? It was ten years. So it's possible. 486 00:41:08,074 --> 00:41:13,660 If you think about projects before like Project Manhattan or Project Apollo, when those started 487 00:41:13,660 --> 00:41:19,240 the technology nor the funds were available to do what they had set out to do. And I think 488 00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:24,690 with this project we have the technology we have sufficient means financially to actually 489 00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:28,830 fix this planet … to take the plastic out of the ocean, to put the fish back, to heal 490 00:41:28,830 --> 00:41:32,930 the soil of this planet, and to take out of the air what doesn't belong there. It's completely 491 00:41:32,930 --> 00:41:36,865 doable from a technological and financial point of view. We just need to do it. 492 00:42:20,750 --> 00:42:27,800 One feet before the entrance of the coffee shop if your frisked, your fucked. One foot 493 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:34,480 inside the coffeeshop, you’re okay. It works, and it’s been working now since 1976. 494 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:39,970 The Dutch marijuana policy is known as gedogen, which can be roughly translated as tolerating 495 00:42:39,970 --> 00:42:44,119 something you don't like. There are hundreds of licensed coffee shops where marijuana is 496 00:42:44,119 --> 00:42:47,740 sold, but technically marijuana is still illegal. 497 00:42:47,740 --> 00:42:50,074 We do get regular checkups. They can walk 498 00:42:50,090 --> 00:42:55,430 in here and they will search the premises, they will frisk us, but only after we've given 499 00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:58,560 written permission. And what if you don't sign that paper? 500 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:05,470 They get upset. But one has to consider that the product itself is still illegal. 501 00:43:05,470 --> 00:43:10,250 Anyone who is handling the product outside of the coffee shops is liable to be arrested 502 00:43:10,250 --> 00:43:13,170 and thrown in jail. Does that really happen? 503 00:43:13,170 --> 00:43:19,549 I don't want to say it, but we probably have the most laid-back and laziest police force 504 00:43:19,549 --> 00:43:20,865 in the western world. 505 00:43:21,086 --> 00:43:23,199 The first year we grew a couple of kilos and 506 00:43:23,210 --> 00:43:29,200 the second year we had a thousand female plants there. And then we were busted by one policeman 507 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,480 who came up on his bicycle and he said ‘well guys I don't know what you're doing out here.’ 508 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:38,349 And we were saying ‘oh, we are enjoying the outside life and we like to grow vegetables.’ 509 00:43:38,349 --> 00:43:42,440 He said ‘don’t give me that bullshit. I don't know what you're doing here and I 510 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,849 don't want to know it either.’ And we were like ‘oh okay.’ And then he said ‘bye-bye.’ 511 00:43:46,849 --> 00:43:50,630 And the whole thing took maybe 15 minutes, and we were busted. 512 00:43:51,282 --> 00:43:57,119 Wernard Bruinig is a legendary figure in Dutch marijuana circles because in the 1970s he 513 00:43:57,119 --> 00:43:59,990 opened the very first coffee shop called Mellow Yellow. 514 00:44:00,330 --> 00:44:03,157 The problem with cannabis are the people who don't use it. 515 00:44:05,449 --> 00:44:07,115 Maybe I should smoke pot again. 516 00:44:07,875 --> 00:44:11,324 I quit school and I joined a group of hippie friends. 517 00:44:11,449 --> 00:44:15,319 The smoking was free as long as you could sell it to your friends. We gave them 518 00:44:15,319 --> 00:44:20,410 tea each time they came to visit us. And the standard joke was y’know we should maybe 519 00:44:20,410 --> 00:44:26,339 charge money for the tea so that we don't need to work for money. That was the basic 520 00:44:26,339 --> 00:44:32,630 idea behind starting a coffee shop. So in 1973 we started the coffee shop and one 521 00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:38,789 of us would sit in front of the bar pretending he was just a visitor. And this person had 522 00:44:38,789 --> 00:44:44,650 a big bag in which he held several kinds of hash and grass. The law didn't provide 523 00:44:44,650 --> 00:44:49,869 the possibilities to close down a shop just because there was a customer inside who had 524 00:44:49,869 --> 00:44:55,809 a lot of hash or grass with him. This coffeeshop was a huge success and we were also an example 525 00:44:55,809 --> 00:45:00,500 to a lot of other people who saw our success and thought we can do it also and we can 526 00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:05,030 do it better. And we called ourselves the green team. And the idea of the green team 527 00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:09,907 was to turn Holland into the Jamaica of Europe. And that's what happened. 528 00:45:10,074 --> 00:45:15,615 Surprisingly there are a lot less Dutch marijuana smokers then in California. 529 00:45:17,532 --> 00:45:22,282 That's certainly something to be proud of as a Californian. From Berkeley. 530 00:45:30,174 --> 00:45:32,115 Wow … Man … 531 00:45:33,074 --> 00:45:38,349 Paradise… 6 AM in the AMS. It doesn’t stop. 532 00:45:38,349 --> 00:45:44,089 It doesn’t stop. Everywhere hectares and hectares of our greenhouse genetics. Look here. 533 00:45:44,175 --> 00:45:46,740 What a place. So much pot. 534 00:45:46,865 --> 00:45:51,449 This was the Strain Hunters world book of guiness records for marijuana, that’s for sure. 535 00:45:52,449 --> 00:45:54,782 See you on the next i-report for Strain Hunters. Bye bye. 536 00:46:00,269 --> 00:46:04,640 Coffeeshops are technically illegal. We always have been prosecuted when they catch us with 537 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,430 more than 500 grams. They can take away your license. They can cause all kinds of other 538 00:46:08,430 --> 00:46:15,029 problems. In the last 3 years, the last 20, 30 cases, the judge threw out the DA and said 539 00:46:15,029 --> 00:46:20,369 ‘ok he’s guilty but I give 0 days prison.’ So now it’s a big riot. Even the justice 540 00:46:20,369 --> 00:46:24,440 minister is saying the judges are not allowed to do this, because they're sitting on the 541 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,789 chair of the legislator. But the judges said ‘listen you had 30 years to solve this problem. 542 00:46:28,789 --> 00:46:32,900 They're paying tax. We think they’re legal. We think they’re contributing to society. 543 00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:35,550 You go organize it. We are not prosecuting anymore.’ 544 00:46:35,550 --> 00:46:38,900 Do you love what you do? Yeah, I think I have the greatest job on earth. 545 00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:44,721 It’s so nice because it's very diverse. You know I make movies, I make seeds, I travel 546 00:46:44,721 --> 00:46:50,240 a lot, I meet a lot of very interesting characters, and I can be high at the same time. 547 00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:54,900 You can't sell mushrooms? No. Not anymore. 548 00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:56,880 You sell truffles. Yeah. 549 00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,500 What's the difference between a mushroom and a truffle? 550 00:46:59,500 --> 00:47:04,470 It's the same organism only mushrooms are the part the blooms above the ground, truffles 551 00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:09,550 are the part that grows in the ground. But they did ban the mushrooms in 2008, so we 552 00:47:09,550 --> 00:47:14,699 only have now the truffles left. But it is the same organism. It’s also the same active ingredient. 553 00:47:15,074 --> 00:47:16,339 So those are fresh? 554 00:47:16,339 --> 00:47:18,369 Yeah. They're not dried? 555 00:47:18,369 --> 00:47:23,089 No because that's illegal. We cannot process the product and drying is processing the product 556 00:47:23,089 --> 00:47:27,079 and by law that’s illegal. I don't see how drying is processing. 557 00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:29,019 We either but … That's the law … 558 00:47:29,019 --> 00:47:31,030 That's the law we have to follow. How did they come up with that? 559 00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:32,865 I have no idea. 560 00:47:33,740 --> 00:47:36,157 Are there problems with psychedelic mushrooms here? 561 00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:37,824 There are with tourists. 562 00:47:37,949 --> 00:47:42,599 With tourists. Generally we see people getting into trouble 563 00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:47,279 with especially mushrooms - magic mushrooms as they’re called - in Amsterdam and it 564 00:47:47,279 --> 00:47:52,190 causes the first aid a lot of trouble. But that's generally because they don't realize what 565 00:47:52,190 --> 00:47:57,640 sort of potency they have. If you look at what's typical about the way Dutch people 566 00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:03,279 who take drugs look at drug use they're quite responsible in how they deal with this. So 567 00:48:03,279 --> 00:48:09,220 they are aware of these risks and they try to sort of use in a rather responsible way. 568 00:48:09,220 --> 00:48:15,009 We know that we should always tell them there is no safe way of using drugs so be aware 569 00:48:15,009 --> 00:48:19,970 and you are taking risks, but if you are doing so, do it as responsible as you can. And we 570 00:48:19,970 --> 00:48:23,199 sort of enable them to use as responsible as possible. 571 00:48:23,449 --> 00:48:27,660 3 days a week you can come here and test your ecstasy and other drugs. And we test them 572 00:48:27,660 --> 00:48:33,260 on the quality, so what's in it and how strong is it. We have 32 testing facilities in the 573 00:48:33,260 --> 00:48:37,110 Netherlands which are all connected. So as soon as we pick out a tablet that has something 574 00:48:37,110 --> 00:48:41,400 in it that shouldn't be in there then we started warning system. So there's warnings going 575 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:46,540 out on television, on the national news, and through the internet, all the social media 576 00:48:46,540 --> 00:48:51,269 systems. But also we hang up posters in all the clubs and parties so people know for example 577 00:48:51,269 --> 00:48:52,782 you can't use this pill. 578 00:48:53,606 --> 00:48:55,865 So the government is paying ... Yeah. 579 00:48:55,865 --> 00:48:58,532 to test people's ecstasy tablets? Yeah. 580 00:48:59,220 --> 00:49:03,289 What do you say to someone who says that that's encouraging drug use. 581 00:49:03,289 --> 00:49:07,970 No, I don’t think that’s encouraging drug use. We did research because of this and what 582 00:49:07,970 --> 00:49:13,119 a lot of those people said is that it actually pointed out that ecstasy use was kind of risky 583 00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:17,789 because else why would you have to test an ecstasy pill. Our ecstasy use in the Netherlands 584 00:49:17,789 --> 00:49:22,410 is quite as high as a lot people have experience with ecstasy. But then ecstasy is not a substance 585 00:49:22,410 --> 00:49:27,670 which people get addicted to. But if you look for example at heroin use and heroin addiction 586 00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:32,230 or opiate addiction that's very low in the Netherlands. The good thing is about Dutch 587 00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:37,900 drug policy is that health goes first. Of course certain drugs in the Netherlands are 588 00:49:37,900 --> 00:49:41,589 illegal, which means that you're not allowed to sell them in and you're not allowed to 589 00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:45,549 have them on you, but as soon as you take them it's not legal anymore. You can't be 590 00:49:45,549 --> 00:49:51,130 punished for that. We have the focus that we don't want to marginalize the user. If someone 591 00:49:51,130 --> 00:49:56,260 has a problem with drugs you just want to help them and not get them a rap sheet so 592 00:49:56,260 --> 00:50:00,240 that it's going to be more difficult to get a job and they get into this negative spiral 593 00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:04,380 in which their addiction will start all kinds of other problems. And the Dutch government 594 00:50:04,380 --> 00:50:07,782 has decided to stop that and to look at a different way. 595 00:50:36,059 --> 00:50:40,859 So your show is funded by the government? Yeah. 596 00:50:40,859 --> 00:50:45,420 Do you get into trouble for that? 597 00:50:45,420 --> 00:50:48,324 No, because it's for educational matters. Yeah. 598 00:51:10,930 --> 00:51:17,490 I never had an orgasm before that episode, and I discovered my orgasm. So yeah that was 599 00:51:17,490 --> 00:51:21,540 that was a pretty personal episode. And I got a lot of response about that. 600 00:51:21,540 --> 00:51:28,230 It was my first time, and I want to discover my inner whore I said. I want to discover 601 00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:30,074 my inner whore. 602 00:51:30,243 --> 00:51:33,157 Young people will experiment with sex and 603 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:41,150 with drugs. Let’s not to put it in the taboo atmosphere, but let's educate them and get 604 00:51:41,150 --> 00:51:47,869 it into the light so that people talk about it instead of doing it secretly, dangerously, 605 00:51:47,869 --> 00:51:52,589 illegally. So I think that's a very noble thing to do. 606 00:51:52,589 --> 00:51:57,039 Like next week we’re making an item about ecstasy, and we're going to use it on television 607 00:51:57,039 --> 00:52:02,260 and we're going to show our young watchers how to take it properly. 608 00:52:02,260 --> 00:52:11,420 Some of our episodes are really in your face. So for example we have had some beautiful 609 00:52:11,420 --> 00:52:14,865 stories about … let's say ... anal sex. 610 00:52:14,865 --> 00:52:17,115 You’re discovering the world of the anus. 611 00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:23,579 Yeah. Anal stretching … fisting. And what are the topics you are … 612 00:52:23,579 --> 00:52:26,030 You’re discovering the world of the anus. Yeah. 613 00:52:26,030 --> 00:52:32,720 Does that mean that you meet a lot of assholes? Uh … well, not yet, but I'm speaking with 614 00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:40,049 people now who are anus stretching, and I really want to follow someone who wants to 615 00:52:40,049 --> 00:52:43,699 be fisted. Like fisting. 616 00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:50,615 Do you get any pressure from the government what to make, what not to make, what they'd like to see, 617 00:52:50,615 --> 00:52:54,690 what they'd like you to stop showing? No. No. 618 00:52:54,690 --> 00:52:56,210 Zero. Zero. 619 00:52:56,210 --> 00:53:01,615 Spuiten & Slikken is so popular that it's spawned a spinoff program called Drugslab. 620 00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:15,190 It's an educational show in which three hosts are taking the drugs that the audience wants 621 00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:19,000 them to try so the audience don't have to do it themselves. 622 00:53:19,449 --> 00:53:21,240 That’s the slogan. Yeah, that’s the slogan. 623 00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:24,349 We use drugs so you don’t have to. Do you wear a lab coat lab coat? 624 00:53:24,349 --> 00:53:29,824 A lab coat? No, we don’t. We’re not professors. We thought about it, but no. 625 00:53:30,032 --> 00:53:31,290 Did you guys bring some drugs? 626 00:53:31,290 --> 00:53:33,839 No, we did not. No, we didn’t. 627 00:53:33,839 --> 00:53:39,019 So this is the Dutch government paying to show kids doing drugs on television? 628 00:53:39,019 --> 00:53:40,074 Exactly. 629 00:53:40,074 --> 00:53:42,949 What are some of the drugs you've taken on Drugslab? 630 00:53:43,157 --> 00:53:46,449 Oh … a lot ... Yeah. 631 00:53:49,074 --> 00:53:50,824 Do you want me to make a list? Sure. 632 00:53:50,824 --> 00:54:01,615 Okay. MDMA, ecstasy, cocaine, DMT, GHB, Salvia Divinorum, 2CB psychedelic. 633 00:54:01,824 --> 00:54:03,880 Aren’t those are illegal? Yeah. 634 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,260 They are. Yeah. 635 00:54:05,260 --> 00:54:08,990 So you’re doing something illegal on television. Yeah. 636 00:54:10,074 --> 00:54:14,532 And you don't get into trouble for that? Um … No. 637 00:54:15,220 --> 00:54:17,074 Aren't you running out of drugs to do? 638 00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:22,782 I don't think so, because there are a lot of drugs. 639 00:54:24,782 --> 00:54:29,690 Openness about sex and sex education is a hallmark of Dutch culture. Goedele Liekens 640 00:54:29,690 --> 00:54:34,970 is a sexologist and UN goodwill ambassador for reproductive health who has a show on 641 00:54:34,970 --> 00:54:37,074 Dutch TV called Goedele on top. 642 00:54:46,803 --> 00:54:49,032 I'm a goodwill ambassador for the United Nations 643 00:54:49,049 --> 00:54:55,869 for UNFPA, so I travel a lot of around to world talking about sexuality, sexual health, 644 00:54:55,869 --> 00:55:01,500 reproductive health, women's empowerment, and I must say the Dutch really have a 645 00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:04,240 very good way of giving sex education. 646 00:55:05,887 --> 00:55:08,949 What age does sex education start in the Netherlands? 647 00:55:10,900 --> 00:55:12,407 Whenever you want to talk about it. 648 00:55:12,846 --> 00:55:15,407 When I'm having my little Dutch kids 649 00:55:16,151 --> 00:55:20,980 and we visit the US and they say ‘grandma, grandma read us a story’ and it’s “Sammy the 650 00:55:20,980 --> 00:55:27,657 Supersperm.” Grandma’s like ‘oh well, I don't know if that's appropriate.’ 651 00:55:27,782 --> 00:55:33,529 My son’s in the second year of high school now. And he’s just had about 6 months of 652 00:55:33,529 --> 00:55:36,950 sex ed. Like biology has been sex for like months on end. 653 00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:42,279 At the age of 15, 16 when adolescents have a boyfriend, or girlfriend and it seems to 654 00:55:42,279 --> 00:55:49,319 be a bit stable, Dutch parents are much more likely to allow a sleepover. We want our children 655 00:55:49,319 --> 00:55:54,059 to be safe, but the Dutch parent would say ‘I know children can’t be controlled. 656 00:55:54,059 --> 00:55:59,910 I know they'll become sexually active no matter what I do so I don't want it to happen in 657 00:55:59,910 --> 00:56:05,907 the bushes at night, somewhere at a dangerous place, but if it happens I want it to happen in my house. 658 00:56:06,449 --> 00:56:08,829 The Dutch tend to lose their virginity later than 659 00:56:08,829 --> 00:56:12,549 other countries where they try and stop them from losing it. They’re much better at using 660 00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:19,199 contraception and that's far lower teenage pregnancy here as a result so if it's proven to work. 661 00:56:19,449 --> 00:56:22,140 The contraceptive use of Dutch women is extremely 662 00:56:22,140 --> 00:56:25,779 high. Sterilization is also high. Both male and female. 663 00:56:25,779 --> 00:56:29,069 More male. So that’s what the Dutch guys do well. 664 00:56:29,069 --> 00:56:33,869 The number of abortions in Dutch women is very low. If you need it, you can have it. 665 00:56:33,869 --> 00:56:37,790 It’s paid for by the insurance system. The whole thing is that you tried to prevent it 666 00:56:37,790 --> 00:56:43,049 by a good contraceptive practice. The number of unwanted pregnancy and teenage pregnancies 667 00:56:43,049 --> 00:56:44,449 is extremely low. 668 00:56:44,888 --> 00:56:48,365 The more sex education they get, the later young people 669 00:56:48,365 --> 00:56:52,859 will start to have sex, the less amount of partners they will have, and the less amount 670 00:56:52,859 --> 00:56:59,490 of risk for STDs and unwanted pregnancies. And a very important one, the less high is 671 00:56:59,490 --> 00:57:05,759 the risk for sexual harassment to be to become someone who does it, or to become a victim 672 00:57:05,759 --> 00:57:08,240 so how many more reasons do we need? 673 00:57:09,822 --> 00:57:12,240 According to Reporters Without Borders the 674 00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:16,799 Netherlands is one of the highest ranked countries in terms of free speech and freedom of the 675 00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:21,690 press. One of the organizations working to keep it that way is the Pirate Party 676 00:57:21,690 --> 00:57:26,880 Do you feel like you're free here in the Netherlands? We are quite free, especially if you compare 677 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:31,079 it to other countries. What's your vision of an ideal society? 678 00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:35,470 People's rights should be protected, and they should have the freedom to organize themselves. 679 00:57:35,470 --> 00:57:38,779 Which country in the world comes closest to that? 680 00:57:38,779 --> 00:57:43,099 I think we come pretty close actually. The nice thing I think about the Netherlands that 681 00:57:43,099 --> 00:57:47,769 we have less and less people in prison. We don't have private prisons. We have more and 682 00:57:47,769 --> 00:57:53,574 more empty prisons, and now they're being used as universities or to house refugees. 683 00:57:54,074 --> 00:57:58,720 We also see it with the Pirate Party as a test that we have to empower people to 684 00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:03,880 not be tracked by large companies or governments. So we also organize crypto parties in which 685 00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:09,460 we help people install applications which are better. There are many lists of open source 686 00:58:09,460 --> 00:58:16,430 alternatives with which you do not get tracked. Do you guys do ecstasy at the crypto parties? 687 00:58:16,430 --> 00:58:20,190 Not a crypto parties. At the crypto after party? 688 00:58:20,190 --> 00:58:21,824 Some people do maybe. 689 00:58:31,231 --> 00:58:33,699 So when you go on a date do you go Dutch? 690 00:58:35,074 --> 00:58:39,782 Well I thought about that but yeah … No. No. 691 00:58:40,282 --> 00:58:46,890 I ended up being called this honorary title called “allochtoon” which is a wonderful 692 00:58:46,890 --> 00:58:53,480 term that you earn if you live here long enough. Allochtoon … it's a word that Dutch people 693 00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:59,630 made up so that if you don't say it right they know you're not from around here. 694 00:58:59,630 --> 00:59:05,029 I think the official definition is if one of your both parents are born outside the 695 00:59:05,029 --> 00:59:10,509 Netherlands, then you are considered allochtoon. Which you could say is migrant. But in a sense 696 00:59:10,509 --> 00:59:14,470 it's very strange because if you're born here how can you be a migrant? 697 00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:19,099 Family members always call me and they’re like ‘So is it true that drugs are free 698 00:59:19,099 --> 00:59:23,449 in your country?’ I’m like, they’re not free. You can buy them, but they’re not free. 699 00:59:32,365 --> 00:59:34,559 In general, from the police they take you 700 00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:42,730 to asylum, to the camps, to everywhere, it is perfect. Yeah. Everybody smiling. Everybody 701 00:59:42,730 --> 00:59:48,359 take care of you. This is a great. And to take asylum in 2 months, 2 and 1/2 months, 702 00:59:48,359 --> 00:59:50,699 it is the fastest asylum in all Europe. 703 00:59:51,182 --> 00:59:53,740 Coming from a war torn country into this country 704 00:59:53,759 --> 00:59:57,559 the Netherlands has been like my safe haven. I have relatives who were struggling in war 705 00:59:57,559 --> 01:00:02,059 torn countries who are trying to travel to the west, so I was pretty lucky growing up 706 01:00:02,059 --> 01:00:06,960 in this country. But then with all of the terrorist attacks happening all over the world 707 01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,032 my sense of safety has changed. 708 01:00:10,508 --> 01:00:13,407 As long as it went good nobody was complaining. 709 01:00:13,740 --> 01:00:19,380 When the economy went down end 70s early 80s we started to hear these people are not adapted. 710 01:00:19,380 --> 01:00:22,880 But then again the economy went good during the rest of the 80s. And then with the huge 711 01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,574 crisis and after 9/11 we have to have a scapegoat. 712 01:00:39,369 --> 01:00:44,070 It kind of freaks out when we see the rise of the right in Holland because Holland is 713 01:00:44,070 --> 01:00:47,980 so liberal and chilled out. Part of it has to do with a we see everywhere 714 01:00:47,980 --> 01:00:55,410 and that is that the people who voted for him were done with the traditional political 715 01:00:55,410 --> 01:01:00,859 leadership in this country. They saw them as essentially giving Muslims or immigrants 716 01:01:00,859 --> 01:01:06,230 greater consideration than the interests of hard-working Dutch people. And for that reason 717 01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:08,949 they voted for him in a vote of protest. 718 01:01:09,414 --> 01:01:12,032 Geert Wilders is a very astute politician 719 01:01:12,049 --> 01:01:17,700 you know. He keeps winning politician of the year. Specifically the year 1933. 720 01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:22,730 Unlike right-wing populists in the US, in Holland they are strong supporters of national 721 01:01:22,730 --> 01:01:27,380 healthcare and the welfare state and though they always say that politics makes for strange 722 01:01:27,380 --> 01:01:32,282 bedfellows it was still surprising to hear about Wilders support for gay rights. 723 01:01:33,059 --> 01:01:39,029 He's thinking the Muslims hate the gays. I hate the Muslims, so I must love the gays. 724 01:01:39,029 --> 01:01:43,890 It works like this, and there's actually quite a few right-wing LGBT friends of mine falling 725 01:01:43,890 --> 01:01:48,200 for this but … So Geert Wilders loves the gays? 726 01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,980 Well I haven't seen him with one around him, but … 727 01:01:50,980 --> 01:01:57,599 In Holland, the right-wing parties and not necessarily anti-gay. Often … Geert Wilders 728 01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:03,450 Freedom Party's pro-gay. And one of the first populists in Holland Pim Fortuyn was gay himself. 729 01:02:03,450 --> 01:02:06,250 And the religious parties are not necessarily anti-gay either. 730 01:02:06,250 --> 01:02:10,760 There is no politician in Holland who could be homophobic. If they try, they will have 731 01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:15,079 huge problems. It's still different than in many other countries here in the Netherlands. 732 01:02:15,740 --> 01:02:21,039 I'm also known as drag queen Jennifer Hopelezz. Can I Google that and see what Jennifer Hopelezz 733 01:02:21,039 --> 01:02:23,657 looks like? Yeah … very pretty. 734 01:02:25,032 --> 01:02:29,660 The liberal climate here is what really attracted me to the country. We were the very first 735 01:02:29,660 --> 01:02:34,349 country and Amsterdam very first city where gays and lesbians could marry. Six months 736 01:02:34,349 --> 01:02:38,480 after I came I met my husband and that's why I stayed here all these years. We’ve been 737 01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:43,009 together 26, nearly 27 years. How do you stay together with someone for 738 01:02:43,009 --> 01:02:47,490 26 years? We don’t live together. That’s the number one secret. 739 01:02:48,282 --> 01:02:51,539 I came out very late. Around my 28th. And 740 01:02:51,539 --> 01:02:57,231 what I have always seen here is as a gay couple you could do and have everything. In some 741 01:02:57,231 --> 01:03:02,829 subjects you have to deliver more paperwork, it took a little bit longer maybe. But I 742 01:03:02,829 --> 01:03:08,069 think everything is the same between heterosexuals and gay couples. 743 01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:13,049 The country has moved to the right, and I think the world has moved to the right and 744 01:03:13,049 --> 01:03:17,069 I think Holland is still the most liberal country in the world, but yeah it has got 745 01:03:17,069 --> 01:03:21,210 more conservative. In terms of AIDS prevention we were really ahead of a lot of countries 746 01:03:21,210 --> 01:03:24,799 when it first hit. The education programs were really good in Holland and the rates 747 01:03:24,799 --> 01:03:28,009 were fairly low compared to other countries, but we’ve really stalled. 748 01:03:28,009 --> 01:03:35,099 I’m gay. I have a husband and I can’t walk around town holding his hand or kissing 749 01:03:35,099 --> 01:03:40,990 him in public. I should to make it more clear guys like us are gay as well, but you just don’t. 750 01:03:40,990 --> 01:03:45,249 While 15 years ago it wasn't a problem at all. 751 01:03:45,249 --> 01:03:52,157 I still see a lot more people having less and less problems with the issue. Less and less homophobia. 752 01:03:52,324 --> 01:03:58,490 I think it is one of the best countries to lead a gay a life I'm quite sure about. 753 01:03:58,490 --> 01:04:01,130 It’s not totally a gay paradise but it’s as good as it gets. 754 01:04:07,199 --> 01:04:09,480 I was working with students from different 755 01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:15,309 countries and one of them was like ‘I was told that I had to have this Dutch cuisine 756 01:04:15,309 --> 01:04:21,749 kapsalon.’ Kapsalon is basically shawarma with french fries and salad and cheese. So 757 01:04:21,749 --> 01:04:26,650 this American guy was telling me I have to have this Dutch cuisine, and it was really 758 01:04:26,650 --> 01:04:32,560 interesting to me because it is Dutch. The guy who made it up is a Moroccan guy who lived 759 01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:38,220 in Rotterdam. Identity is fluid, and I think the Moroccans and the Dutch and the Somalis 760 01:04:38,220 --> 01:04:43,130 and the Pakistanis and Suriname and everyone who lives in this country is also influencing 761 01:04:43,130 --> 01:04:44,699 that idea of identity. 762 01:04:44,995 --> 01:04:46,657 When we say in the Netherlands this is typical 763 01:04:46,670 --> 01:04:52,390 Dutch, I always ask myself what do you mean with that. And it's still changing and that's 764 01:04:52,390 --> 01:04:57,630 something I've learned. In the beginning you think will orange is the Dutch color, you 765 01:04:57,630 --> 01:05:02,249 know the tulip, the potato. And then you study and you think potatoes are actually 766 01:05:02,249 --> 01:05:06,260 from southern America and the tulip is from Turkey and what else is really Dutch. And 767 01:05:06,260 --> 01:05:08,970 then you can deconstruct what the culture is made of. 768 01:05:08,970 --> 01:05:11,790 Is there anything in your mind that's typically Dutch? 769 01:05:11,790 --> 01:05:13,407 Well the language, I think. 770 01:05:13,407 --> 01:05:16,032 The problem with Van Gogh is that if you would 771 01:05:16,039 --> 01:05:20,180 pronounce him by his Dutch name and say ‘Van Gogh’ nobody would recognize that 772 01:05:20,180 --> 01:05:22,032 you're talking about that artist. 773 01:05:22,032 --> 01:05:24,282 I'd like to say I can speak Dutch, but I don't 774 01:05:24,299 --> 01:05:27,865 like to speak Dutch because it makes my mouth feel sad. 775 01:05:27,907 --> 01:05:35,460 That's not me. That’s Jonathan. When I talk Dutch he thinks I'm a pig. 776 01:05:36,503 --> 01:05:39,074 (Clearing their throats.) 777 01:05:39,615 --> 01:05:44,490 The French used to say that Dutch is not a language, it’s a problem with your throat. 778 01:05:44,532 --> 01:05:50,949 I visit Arnhem, Wagningen … I’m sorry, Wagenin-gen? 779 01:05:51,175 --> 01:05:54,489 I think the Dutch actually pronounce it ‘nech-mech.’ 780 01:05:54,489 --> 01:05:58,860 Do you do your porn in English or Dutch? I do my porn in English. Especially 781 01:05:58,860 --> 01:06:02,660 my webcamming. I prefer not to speak Dutch. Why is that? 782 01:06:02,660 --> 01:06:06,529 Because Dutch has very ugly words to describe sexual desire. 783 01:06:06,907 --> 01:06:11,220 Are you learning Dutch? No! It's an impossible, impenetrable fortress 784 01:06:11,220 --> 01:06:16,319 of language. My bass player says that he thinks the Dutch just make it up as a joke on everybody 785 01:06:16,319 --> 01:06:21,324 else and that it’s just completely not a language at all. They secretly all speak English. 786 01:06:31,369 --> 01:06:36,365 It seems like when you first come here that there are more bicycles than people and that is exactly accurate. 787 01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:54,282 Do you ever participate in the world naked bike ride? 788 01:06:54,282 --> 01:07:02,657 No. I'm not allowed from my public affairs person. But I like the initiative very much. 789 01:07:02,865 --> 01:07:06,359 We say there are about 13, 14 million cyclists 790 01:07:06,359 --> 01:07:13,269 in a country with 17 million people. We also cycle towards a high age. We have every year 791 01:07:13,269 --> 01:07:17,880 maybe 10 or 20 80 plusers who die while riding their bikes 792 01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:24,549 So the people are dying on their bicycles. Yeah, or they fall down. Some of them die 793 01:07:24,549 --> 01:07:27,770 when they have a heart attack or stroke or whatever. 794 01:07:27,770 --> 01:07:30,949 I'm not sure that's the best advertisement for bicycling. 795 01:07:33,180 --> 01:07:35,960 There are a lot of bikes out there. Yeah, that’s true. 796 01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:39,819 Does every kid come to school on a bike? Walking, biking … 797 01:07:39,819 --> 01:07:42,509 Do you have a school bus system? No. 798 01:07:42,509 --> 01:07:45,574 What happens if a kid's family can't afford a bike? 799 01:07:48,130 --> 01:07:53,239 That's like saying people can’t breathe. Everyone in Holland has a bike. 800 01:07:53,239 --> 01:07:59,130 My mom and dad also bike, and our Somali family members in other countries are like ‘do 801 01:07:59,130 --> 01:08:04,170 you bike?’ Like my dad is 70 and my mom is like this Somali lady with her dresses 802 01:08:04,170 --> 01:08:08,865 and they’re like ‘do you really bike?’ And my mom’s like ‘yeah … how else do I get around?’ 803 01:08:08,949 --> 01:08:10,880 Did you get a bicycle yet? 804 01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:16,870 No. No. I don't think also I will use the bicycle 805 01:08:16,870 --> 01:08:20,339 Don't they make you get a bicycle as part of the asylum process? 806 01:08:20,339 --> 01:08:22,365 Yeah, they try. 807 01:08:22,490 --> 01:08:29,040 Queen Beatrix rode a bike and now our present king also rides a bike and they also do it with the families. 808 01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:33,009 Everybody cycles here – even the Prime Minister. It’s because we have a really egalitarian 809 01:08:33,009 --> 01:08:37,319 society. You’re very on the same level. And I think this is one of the explanations, 810 01:08:37,319 --> 01:08:44,470 the reason why people like biking because it keeps us all the same. We made choices, 811 01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:50,480 consistent choices over 30 years for giving priority to slow mobility to bikes and pedestrians 812 01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:54,850 It's been point of pride for Houten that their city has, for many years, won the Cyclists 813 01:08:54,850 --> 01:08:57,615 Union Cycling City of the Netherlands Award. 814 01:08:57,740 --> 01:09:02,240 Yeah, they used to be the bike city. The top now is Nijmegen. 815 01:09:02,324 --> 01:09:06,450 Saskia told me that you lost your crown to Nijmegen. Yeah. 816 01:09:06,450 --> 01:09:11,170 Is that true? Well it's true of course. But we always say 817 01:09:11,170 --> 01:09:16,080 there is only one bicycle town in the world and that's Houten. So I think that's just 818 01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,270 envy of all the others. But we are best for sure. 819 01:09:19,270 --> 01:09:23,450 Are you going to challenge the mayor of Nijmegen to a bicycle race? 820 01:09:23,450 --> 01:09:29,532 Well I will win for sure. I don’t know if you’ve seen the mayor of Nijmegen. I should say look him up. 821 01:09:29,949 --> 01:09:33,126 Dutch cyclists, they kind of behave like a 822 01:09:33,250 --> 01:09:40,000 swarm of sparrows. We anticipate to the cyclists who are nearest to us. So if we see them going 823 01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:44,850 to the right we tend to follow because we know probably there's something in front that 824 01:09:44,850 --> 01:09:50,699 I don't see but he sees so I follow. I really strongly believe that builds a culture of trust. 825 01:09:52,615 --> 01:09:54,570 While bicycles make create a lot of trust 826 01:09:54,570 --> 01:10:00,040 in Dutch society, they're also the cause of the country's leading annoyance. 827 01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,640 Have you had your bicycle stolen? Sure. 828 01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:04,740 My bikes get stolen once a year. 829 01:10:04,740 --> 01:10:07,110 Yeah mine was stolen, I think 2 weeks ago. 830 01:10:07,324 --> 01:10:13,870 I've had two bikes stolen while I've been here. Actually both in the last week. 831 01:10:13,870 --> 01:10:19,157 I don’t lock my bike for the last 2 months and it's not stolen yet so it's a bit of a luck. 832 01:10:19,157 --> 01:10:20,510 Can you tell me where it is? 833 01:10:20,907 --> 01:10:22,115 So you can take it? 834 01:10:22,115 --> 01:10:25,074 Is there some kind of government agency where 835 01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:29,610 I can go as a tourist to get my money back for my 2 stolen bikes? 836 01:10:30,910 --> 01:10:31,660 No. 837 01:10:32,907 --> 01:10:34,949 How many locks did you have in your bike? One. 838 01:10:34,949 --> 01:10:37,420 On the next bike you should put two or three. 839 01:10:37,420 --> 01:10:41,090 Two or three? But that takes so long. That's the thing. That's why we work less 840 01:10:41,090 --> 01:10:44,365 than Americans, so we have time to lock our bikes basically 841 01:10:56,365 --> 01:11:01,400 According to the OECD, the Dutch work among the least number of hours. So how does their 842 01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:07,030 system pay for so much time off? It’s a welfare state. The highest taxation 843 01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:14,130 is 52% of your income. It goes with steps up and I’m in the 52% bracket so I have 844 01:11:14,130 --> 01:11:16,730 to pay quite a lot. Does that bother you? 845 01:11:16,730 --> 01:11:24,365 Uh yeah when I have to … No, it doesn't bother me so much because you get a lot for that. 846 01:11:24,615 --> 01:11:26,580 The institutions and policies that the Nordic 847 01:11:26,580 --> 01:11:31,080 countries and the Netherlands have adopted get you very good outcomes in the area of 848 01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:37,140 economic security, low poverty and equality of opportunity, and they do just as well if 849 01:11:37,140 --> 01:11:41,820 not better than on lots of other outcomes including economic growth, but also liberty, 850 01:11:41,824 --> 01:11:45,407 privacy, community, and many, many others. 851 01:11:46,990 --> 01:11:52,810 What do you say to someone who says that you're breeding laziness? How? 852 01:11:52,810 --> 01:12:00,115 By having people work too little. Oh…well the productivity levels were reasonable. 853 01:12:02,449 --> 01:12:04,710 Has Holland's expansive welfare state turned 854 01:12:04,710 --> 01:12:10,800 the Dutch into a nation of lackadaisical layabouts? Apparently not. In fact, the Netherlands is 855 01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:14,550 ranked as one of the best countries to be an entrepreneur. 856 01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:20,430 If you look at the World Economic Forum, we are now number 5 in competitiveness. We are, 857 01:12:20,430 --> 01:12:24,920 after Germany, the greatest exporter in the European union. If you look at the agriculture 858 01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:28,290 we are the second exporter in the world after the United States 859 01:12:28,290 --> 01:12:34,290 In a society where government provides to everyone some of these basic services and 860 01:12:34,290 --> 01:12:39,970 supports in the form of public insurance programs we in fact can be more individualistic. 861 01:12:39,970 --> 01:12:45,440 A bit more government services and public insurance programs can enhance rather than 862 01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:47,240 limit or subtract from freedom. 863 01:12:49,282 --> 01:12:52,350 The theory of capitalism. You work hard, save 864 01:12:52,350 --> 01:12:58,020 up and buy two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. Your herd multiplies, the economy 865 01:12:58,020 --> 01:13:00,407 grows, and society prospers. 866 01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:05,699 The reality of capitalism. A multinational corporation forecloses 867 01:13:05,700 --> 01:13:10,580 on a farmer and repos 2 cows. It sells one to a subsidiary company, leases it back to 868 01:13:10,580 --> 01:13:14,750 itself, and declares a tax loss. After giving the remaining cow drugs to make it produce 869 01:13:14,750 --> 01:13:19,900 the milk of 4 cows, it executes a credit default swap to buy 20 more cows and transfer the 870 01:13:19,900 --> 01:13:25,260 rights to 50 leveraged cows via a Panamanian intermediary to a Cayman Islands company secretly 871 01:13:25,260 --> 01:13:29,390 owned by a Russian oligarch. Three people who donated the most to the government win 872 01:13:29,390 --> 01:13:31,490 and everyone else loses. 873 01:13:32,990 --> 01:13:37,199 Social democracy. To create more cow ownership all of the world's 874 01:13:37,210 --> 01:13:41,940 developed nations have evolved into social democracies that mix free market capitalism 875 01:13:41,940 --> 01:13:47,390 with socialism, so the government runs important public services like education, police and 876 01:13:47,390 --> 01:13:53,000 firefighters, the military, utilities, pensions, and healthcare. The difference between countries 877 01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:58,230 is in the amount of services they provide. Maybe it's just a coincidence, but the countries 878 01:13:58,230 --> 01:14:02,990 with the most generous social programs are also the world's happiest. 879 01:14:22,824 --> 01:14:27,970 There's this word that has come up a lot in talking to people. Gezelligheid. 880 01:14:27,970 --> 01:14:32,311 Yeah. Gezelligheid. Gezelligheid. Gezelligheid. Do you think that 881 01:14:32,311 --> 01:14:38,520 plays a roll in Dutch happiness? Well I think maybe the fact that we have such 882 01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:43,820 a word does show that social values are considered important. 883 01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:48,290 Bringing people together, sitting them around the table with some kind of food and drink 884 01:14:48,290 --> 01:14:53,340 often and then they say oh yeah, this is gezellig. This is really cozy I suppose is the closest 885 01:14:53,340 --> 01:14:56,324 you can say. Cozy and together. 886 01:14:56,324 --> 01:15:00,110 Dutch people like to confirm that it’s gezellig, 887 01:15:00,110 --> 01:15:07,020 when it’s gezellig. So we sit together and we say ‘gezellig yeah?’ ‘Gezellig.’ 888 01:15:07,020 --> 01:15:11,660 I think it’s just a nice social atmosphere, we value that. 889 01:15:11,660 --> 01:15:16,810 It’s one of those words that it's difficult to translate because it encompasses more of 890 01:15:16,810 --> 01:15:23,390 a feeling rather than actual definition. So when you think of love and coziness and also 891 01:15:23,390 --> 01:15:29,470 the feelings of acceptance and belonging. The idea is to actually foster human connections 892 01:15:29,470 --> 01:15:34,220 and I'm a firm believer that’s one of the reasons why Dutch kids and also Dutch adults 893 01:15:34,220 --> 01:15:36,115 are among the happiest in the world. 894 01:15:48,324 --> 01:15:52,824 If you want to know what a good society is look how happy the people are. 895 01:15:53,282 --> 01:15:56,140 The happiest countries in the world are typically western 896 01:15:56,140 --> 01:16:04,520 countries. The first key is sheer survival … safety, food. Once that is arranged it 897 01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:11,020 comes more to freedom. And why is freedom important to happiness? Well in conditions 898 01:16:11,020 --> 01:16:16,230 of freedom people can choose a way of life that fits them best. 899 01:16:16,657 --> 01:16:22,560 A big difference is how wealth spread within the Netherlands, and we've seen some very 900 01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:28,000 interesting studies looking at the differences in how wealth is distributed in a country 901 01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:33,210 and the level of happiness and there is a very clear connection to it. So you see in 902 01:16:33,210 --> 01:16:38,990 countries where there is less difference between rich and poor, people are generally much more happy. 903 01:16:39,615 --> 01:16:43,560 If you assess religiousness of a country, then 904 01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:48,657 you see a negative relationship. The more believers, the less happy. 905 01:16:48,657 --> 01:16:53,074 The number of churches is going down. The number of ministers is very much going down. 906 01:16:53,074 --> 01:16:58,050 The theology departments at universities have absolutely hardly any students anymore, so 907 01:16:58,050 --> 01:17:00,824 it's really a secular country these days. 908 01:17:01,074 --> 01:17:04,615 Well, the Dutch may be the happiest people in the world. 909 01:17:04,615 --> 01:17:07,160 I’m not totally sure whether they are, but they complain a lot. 910 01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:11,782 Yeah that true. Especially in Amsterdam. We really like to complain. 911 01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,532 They like to complain. I mean that’s the Dutch national pastime. 912 01:17:15,532 --> 01:17:19,410 The majority of the Netherlands, of the Dutch people, still think that the country is moving 913 01:17:19,410 --> 01:17:23,440 into in the wrong direction The majority thinks it’s in the wrong direction. 914 01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:24,860 Yes. What percent thinks that? 915 01:17:24,860 --> 01:17:26,532 It’s about 60% normally. 916 01:17:26,532 --> 01:17:29,949 The Dutch writer Simon Carmichael wrote in 917 01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:35,760 the 1950s already ‘The Dutch are a satisfied people but express it in an unsatisfied way.’ 918 01:17:36,032 --> 01:17:39,282 Do you think the Netherlands is getting more free or less free? 919 01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:43,615 I would say less free. 920 01:17:43,615 --> 01:17:48,990 There’s less freedom. Less desire to explore liberties. 921 01:17:48,990 --> 01:17:54,240 Nowadays I think a lot of people don't dare to express themselves. 922 01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:56,400 The fear of globalization is also present 923 01:17:56,400 --> 01:18:01,210 in this country of course. The feeling that there are too many people from other countries. 924 01:18:01,324 --> 01:18:07,080 Dutch people are very vocal about things that they think don’t work, so that leads to 925 01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:12,190 a lot of questioning of things and a lot of improvement of things. So I think that's part 926 01:18:12,190 --> 01:18:17,790 of what helps things improve here is people who say it's not good enough. 927 01:18:17,790 --> 01:18:21,080 At the same time you see that this a democracy reform is coming up. 928 01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,740 There is also a thriving culture, an underground culture. 929 01:18:23,740 --> 01:18:28,910 I also think there are a lot of people nowadays that are coming forward 930 01:18:28,910 --> 01:18:36,610 20 years ago gay marriages were not yet there. The law on euthanasia was not yet there. 931 01:18:36,610 --> 01:18:43,574 I recently got knighted. You know that which is completely impossible 20 years ago. 932 01:18:43,710 --> 01:18:49,120 Maybe you have seen the line of happiness in the Netherlands. It goes up and we live 933 01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:54,370 now longer and happier than ever in human history. I think it would be wise if governments 934 01:18:54,370 --> 01:19:00,670 invest in happiness just like they invest in health. And it will also be profitable 935 01:19:00,670 --> 01:19:07,350 for governments because happy people appear to be better citizens. They participate more 936 01:19:07,350 --> 01:19:13,410 in the democratic process. Typically better informed. They vote more. And especially interesting 937 01:19:13,410 --> 01:19:19,320 for governments, they better pay their taxes. You mean they’re more honest, or they pay more? 938 01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:20,320 Both. 939 01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:23,480 Are you happy? Yes I am. 940 01:19:23,480 --> 01:19:26,560 You look happy. I feel so. 941 01:19:26,865 --> 01:19:32,620 Tim, are you hopeful about the future? Yes. But it will be a bumpy road I think. 942 01:19:32,620 --> 01:19:38,440 I believe in humanity. I think that humans are smart enough to realize that we have to 943 01:19:38,440 --> 01:19:40,490 take a different course. 944 01:19:40,615 --> 01:19:44,150 In these times of crisis, we need boldness 945 01:19:44,150 --> 01:19:50,070 and we need a view and we need ideas. I think it's time to choose. 946 01:19:50,070 --> 01:19:57,020 My agenda is I want to change the world. I was picking up on that. 947 01:19:57,020 --> 01:20:02,960 Economy me now is the relation between humanity and money. The new system will be the relation 948 01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,824 between humanity and planet earth. 949 01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:08,949 So what do you think Johan? Are you hopeful about the future? 950 01:20:08,949 --> 01:20:11,657 I wouldn't do this work everyday with Banktrack 951 01:20:11,657 --> 01:20:16,110 if I thought it's all hopeless. But it's all pretty hopeless. I read this saying that I 952 01:20:16,110 --> 01:20:21,110 really took as my slogan. ‘We have no chance at all, and we will grab it with both our hands.’ 953 01:20:21,574 --> 01:20:24,850 Rather than fighting the darkness, I prefer 954 01:20:24,850 --> 01:20:33,080 lit up a candle. I believe our children together will be able to get this to a better place. 955 01:20:33,407 --> 01:20:39,140 There is enough room in the Netherlands for solar and wind power and to a certain extent 956 01:20:39,140 --> 01:20:44,550 geothermal heat to make all our energy in a renewable way. 957 01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:51,490 Those companies that go for sustainability have made more profit, have created higher employment, 958 01:20:51,490 --> 01:20:56,615 and are growing faster than the traditional companies, the old economy. 959 01:20:56,699 --> 01:21:02,480 Ivette, are you hopeful about the future? Yeah. I'm really hopeful. I'm hopeful because 960 01:21:02,480 --> 01:21:07,449 of the amount of people that are standing up and are getting aware. 961 01:21:47,660 --> 01:21:52,820 This is a reward for living in Holland. As a child you get to hear this story, and as 962 01:21:52,820 --> 01:21:57,290 an adult you get to turn around and repeat it. As an added bonus, the government has 963 01:21:57,290 --> 01:22:04,740 thrown in legalized drugs and prostitution. So what's not to love about being Dutch? 964 01:22:07,824 --> 01:22:13,800 There you have it - Dutch social democracy in the 21st century. 20 years later I still 965 01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:18,560 see a lot of myself in this gezellig little country. Only now we both have less 966 01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:21,949 sex, less drugs, and more bicycles. 967 01:22:23,609 --> 01:22:27,115 So is social democracy the nightmare we've been warned about? 968 01:22:27,115 --> 01:22:32,020 It sure didn't seem that way to me. But everyone has to decide for themselves 969 01:22:32,020 --> 01:22:37,960 how nightmarish it is to have month-long double paid vacations and universal health care. 970 01:22:38,824 --> 01:22:44,110 Thank you all so much for joining me on this journey and if you see me on the bike path 971 01:22:44,110 --> 01:22:45,782 make sure to say hi. 972 01:22:56,291 --> 01:22:59,074 And why are Dutch people so tall? 973 01:22:59,074 --> 01:23:01,574 You’re not going to ask me that question? Why are Dutch people so tall? 974 01:23:01,574 --> 01:23:05,690 I have no idea. I think it must be the diet. They’re the tallest race on earth. 975 01:23:05,690 --> 01:23:07,540 They are, and it’s freaky. It’s freaky. 976 01:23:07,540 --> 01:23:11,020 And they’re much taller than 20 years ago. Oh really? 977 01:23:11,020 --> 01:23:14,949 Yeah they are. Or maybe your spine’s just compacted. 103004

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