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Hey there! My name is Jonathan Blank, and
I'll be your host for this movie making short
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statements about tall people. In case you
didn't know the Dutch are the world's tallest
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people. I'm not sure why that's important,
but I figured I'd mention it. In the US, where
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I'm from, I've heard some people talk about
social democracy like it's a nightmarish hell.
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Back in the 1990s I made a documentary about
Holland. At the time, it was the world's most
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liberal country, and it sure didn't seem like
hell to me. But maybe I was too young, too
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naïve, and too stoned to realize how nightmarish
it really was. So I decided to go back and
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re-evaluate the place with my older, wiser,
and more nearsighted eyes. What I ultimately
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found will surprise you completely, partially,
or not at all.
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Here more people think, well have a nice life.
Enjoy your life. And there's a lot of freedom.
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You have a lot of free time and it's paid
for … that's also for Americans sometimes
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astonishing that you do not only get paid
during your holidays you get extra pay to
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enjoy your holidays.
You get holiday pay on top of your pay?
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Yes.
Is that required by law?
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Yeah.
How much holiday pay do you get?
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You get one month's pay extra.
You get one month's pay extra? So you get
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4 weeks of vacation?
At least.
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And that's paid?
Yeah.
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And then you get one extra month.
Yeah.
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So you're paid 13 months …
Absolutely.
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And you work 11 months.
Yeah.
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And that's by law.
Yeah.
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Dutch adults are ranked as the fifth happiest in the world, and
according to the UN, Dutch children are the happiest kids in the world.
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I went to speak with Professor Margreet de Looze,
who is one of the authors of the UN study.
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So what is the main problem kids have in the Netherlands?
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That's a good question.
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The UN had a study, and they said that kids
in Holland are the happiest kids in the world.
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Have you heard about that?
Yeah we have.
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Freedom and independence, fantastic communication
with their parents. The dinner table, or the
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breakfast table even, is an important part of a
Dutch family, so everyone will sit around together.
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The parents finish work on time
to come home and eat with their kids.
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Do you have to go?
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I have to go soon.
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All right, so we'll wrap up.
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And then spend the time around the table talking
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to each other, and that good communication
carries on into the difficult teenage years.
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In the UNICEF survey, Dutch teenagers had
the best relationships with their mothers
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and fathers of all the other countries surveyed.
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All our children are biking because as a parent
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and your child is 4, 5, 6, you give him the
“sturen en handle” the steering wheel
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of the bike so you are quite autonomous that
you can bike, and being autonomous makes you
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more happy then when you are not allowed to
make your own decisions.
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There’s a socially supportive climate in
school.
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What do you want to do do, Amber? Do you know?
Law School.
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You want to go to law school.
Yeah
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Oh really… high five!
No.
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Please.
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And I think that's related to a larger cultural
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characteristic of the Dutch society which
is very low competitiveness, more emphasis
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on cooperation, on inclusion.
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The Dutch in a way already acknowledge this
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understanding that their child will more likely
not become the valedictorian.
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In fact, they don't even have a valedictorian.
They don’t have a valedictorian.
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They don’t even know what that is, actually.
I didn’t know what it was.
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Really?
Yeah.
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I actually think that makes a dramatic difference
in how children grow up of not being put on
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a pedestal or …
…Not being made to compete with other children
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but to be the best you can be yourself.
So we might not have superstars, but one thing
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that I misunderstood as an American because
I hate the word average it's something that's
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just ingrained in our society. Who wants to
be average when we can be great?
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But what the Dutch accomplished within the education
system is to have a really high level average.
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Much higher than what Americans would consider average.
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I'm going to email this to my sister immediately
after this interview because she was valedictorian.
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Oh dear.
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Surprisingly. While Dutch kids are very happy,
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some moms I spoke with are unhappy about Dutch
maternity leave policies that give women 16
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weeks of paid leave while men get only two days.
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There used to be a woman's party. Is there still a woman's party?
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In politics?
Yeah.
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We do have an animal party. But we
don’t have a specific women’s party.
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But there are some parties, mostly left wing parties,
for whom gender equality is an important issue
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and who, for example, propose paternity leave.
On some lists of gender equality the Netherlands
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score very high and on others they score very
low. So if we look at the percentage of women
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who are active in the labor force we score
very high, but they don't work full time so
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they won't reach the top.
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Everything is equal until you get children
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and then suddenly you feel the difference
between men and women. Should I not work?
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Should I not have had children. What's the
decision? There's no decision there. I always
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thought of feminists like they are angry women.
It was not appealing to me, but then I thought,
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well if this is what I have to be, fuck I’m
a feminist. So then I wrote the book about
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why we're working like we do and what we can
do about it.
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Did people get offended by that title?
We say “fuck” a lot in Holland.
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We don't give a fuck.
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You fuck it up for your children.
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Really fucked up big-time.
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What the fuck!
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Nobody has any fucking idea who the fuck anybody is anymore.
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Illegal as fuck.
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Um…. fuck off
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Fuck off!
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Eh…. fuck off.
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I’m telling you this is really fucked up shit.
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What was the word you used? Snoezel…
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Snoezelzorg.
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Snoezelzorg.
It’s when you have a disability or when
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you are physically challenged you can also
get sexual service, and in the Netherlands
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we have a special term for that which is Snoezelzorg.
And is that covered by the insurance here?
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For some people yes.
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It’s interesting that the government would
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pay for someone to go to a sexologist.
Um.
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So how does it work. Do you go to your doctor
and get a prescription?
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Yeah, although it has changed lately. You
can now also decide yourself. You don’t
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have to go to your doctor.
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My sex care practitioner work is for clients
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who are mentally or physically disabled.
Do you have sex with people?
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Yes I do. Only safe.
Do you pay taxes on that? Of course.
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Why shouldn’t I?
You seem like you're comfortable being out
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and open about this.
I think it's important to break taboo.
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And why is that important?
It’s important that this kind of sex care
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is going into Insurance.
You live in a small town, right. Do your neighbors
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know what you do for a living?
Some do.
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Do you get any negativity towards you?
No, I don’t.
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Can you teach a guy how to have multiple orgasms?
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That’s the standard question.
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I mean these insurance companies they have
a certain a discretionary, I mean certain
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services they can say we do this, or we don't
do it, and if it they don't do it you can
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appeal and you can go to the court of law
and you know you may get your point or not.
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Are there people freaking out about that here?
No. But if everybody would do they probably would.
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So if like 6 million males would, you
know … then there would be a problem I guess.
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The Dutch national healthcare system has a
high approval rating and is ranked as one
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of the best in the world.
In this country almost the entire provider
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landscape in healthcare is private nonprofit.
It’s a private scheme but with all kinds
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of public regulations, risk-adjustment. Of
course, more income dependent, but it's very
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much comparable to the Obamacare Affordable
Care Act system actually.
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There is a certain kind of a basic package
for everyone. It doesn't matter how rich you
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are etcetera. And there is a certain amount
of money you have to pay for that. For a normal
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citizen that's which you have to pay privately
is about 100 euros a month.
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Do you have the same health insurance as a
senator as say my cameraman Bas?
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Absolutely. Yeah. The same hospitals, same doctors.
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In 2006 it was determined by law that no family
in the Netherlands could spend more than 5%
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of their income in healthcare.
Do you have the health insurance CEOs making
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millions like in the US.
No, no, no, no. There is a law that states
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that everybody who works with public money,
and healthcare is considered to be public
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money, is not allowed to earn more than the
prime minister.
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The Dutch national healthcare system provides
a comprehensive policy which covers a very
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broad range of treatments that even includes
gender reassignment.
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When you feel like you're transgender you
go to the VU Medical Center Hospital here
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in the Netherlands. They have a gender team,
the biggest gender team in the world I believe,
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and then you have access to hormones if you
desire, to surgeries if you desire that are
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covered by your Healthcare which is amazing.
And you don't have people protesting saying
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I don't want to pay for that?
No.
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Interestingly, the VU University Medical Center
used to be a Christian Hospital it has a Christian
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background and here was where it started in
the 1970s. And it’s said it's out of a sort
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of gratefulness, maybe even because it were
Christian doctors working here that it could happen here.
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If you live in a space as we do where it’s
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relatively safe of course there's also hate
crimes here of course there's also violence
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here but the social space is safer for trans people.
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It's increasing every year like many countries
and in some countries it's even increasing
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100% every year. So that's what we also see,
very sharp increase in referrals.
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I really like your story about the humor.
Yeah, it’s awful.
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The people laughing at your jokes more now.
Yeah.
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While they’re the same jokes.
While they’re the same stupid jokes.
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How old do you have to be?
So that's what the VU Medical Center is actually
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famous for is treating kids.
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We also see the young ones before puberty,
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but we only see them most of the time for
it for just diagnostic and a short advice.
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And then they have this revolutionary treatment
of hormone blockers, puberty blockers.
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I think here in the Netherlands we were the
first that started providing blockers.
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It has come to be called The Dutch approach.
What do the blockers do?
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So they block puberty development and once
you stop the blockers puberty from the birth
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assigned sex will start again. So it's a fully
reversible treatment, but at the same time
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you don't develop the sex characteristics of
the gender you don't experience yourself in.
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Coverage of gender reassignment surgery is
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part of a larger acceptance for alternatives
to traditional gender definitions in the Netherlands
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and Dutch courts have ruled that parents no longer have
to specify a gender on their children's birth certificates.
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LGB population.
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LGBT you should say nowadays.
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LGBTQ.
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LGBTQ…I.
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Intersex is being born with more or less.
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Ambiguous...Ambiguous...
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No. Because then it gets binary again.
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Why should we actually have genders?
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Maybe we should skip it all together and just talk
about people.
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There are 4 basic models for healthcare around the world.
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Single-payer healthcare delivers 100% coverage
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by having the government provide and pay for
healthcare through taxes, just like public education.
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The government pays doctors, hospitals,
and drug costs, keeping expenses down.
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It's used in countries like the UK, Spain, and
throughout Scandinavia.
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Single-payer Insurance achieves 100% coverage
by having the government run a single health
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insurance program that everyone pays into.
Since there is only one insurance company
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they have low overhead and can negotiate better prices.
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It's used in countries like Canada, Taiwan, and South Korea.
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Social health insurance provides 100% coverage
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using a private insurance system financed
by employers, workers, and taxes.
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Though healthcare is private, the system is not for profit
and tightly regulated which keeps costs down.
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It's used in countries like Germany, Japan,
and the Netherlands.
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(Beep) the poor healthcare.
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In poor countries
patients pay for whatever they can afford.
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The basic rule is that the rich get treatment
while the poor get sick and die.
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It's how it is in most of Africa, India, China, and
South America
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The maximum inefficiency model.
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The US is the only developed country that doesn't provide
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universal healthcare. It's also the country
that spends the most on healthcare by far.
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Many workers get insurance through their jobs,
the elderly use Medicare, veterans have the VA,
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and the destitute use Medicaid. Everyone
else gets access to a doctor if they can raise
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money on GoFundMe.
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Where did the Netherlands’ reputation
for tolerance come from?
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It started already in the 17th century in. Holland has as it’s called
its “Golden Age” where it started practically to rule
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the world as merchants. Not so much as an
imperial power, but as merchants, because
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it was a republic, cities were important and
in the cities the merchants the big merchants
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were the boss and merchants don't like conflicts
because that's bad for business.
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To learn about the Netherlands’ Golden Age,
I headed over to the country's national art
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museum, the Rijksmuseum.
Well the Golden Age is say roughly from the
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late 1500s until the late 1600s. We generally
refer to it as like the 17th Century, but
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the real power was roughly between 1620 and
1670. Our saints are the painters of the Golden Age.
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Frans Hals and Jan Steen, Johannes Vermeer,
the big guys from the 17th Century. But in
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the same belief system there's only one God
and that is Rembrandt runs right up there
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in the place where in an actual church you
would find the altar. That sacred space is
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reserved for this museum for the Night Watch.
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And this is a bust of a mayor called Andries de Graeff
and the way he poses tells you everything about the obsession
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we have in the Golden Age and that is the Roman Empire,
the republic as a state form. Y’know they have the renaissance
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body language, the renaissance elbow. This
is power. If you’re with your hand like
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this it’s always power.
I’m going to remember that.
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Yeah, you have to do it. If you want to imitate
Mussolini you need both hands for that.
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I don't know if I want to go that far.
Well you have the same hairdo.
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But for some people the Golden Age wasn't so golden.
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The Dutch, they don't want to acknowledge
that their Golden Age was financed a lot by
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slavery and that's why Surinamese people are here.
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A lot of the Dutch youth,
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they don't even know why Surinamese people are here.
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Did you guys learn about the history of the
Dutch slave trade at school?
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Yeah, we did.
You did?
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Yeah, we did. We got all the history of the
Netherlands from start to finish until now
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but the slave trade is a really painful topic
so you get it. This is how it was and
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why we did it. Next topic.
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Are there any paintings that deal with the slave trade?
No, we do have some artworks that deal with
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slavery as such but we have to go down one floor
for that. That's in the 19th century department,
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the last century we still owned Suriname.
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So slavery is more here in this corner.
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So out of the whole museum this is all you have on slavery?
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Yes, it is quite small.
Doesn’t that seem strange to you?
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Of course it’s so easy to use Rembrandt
as a banner and show all the greatness and
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the good things we have done. But the Dutch
are more and more trying to get to terms with
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the dark side of their history very much spurred
on by people who are really vocal about it.
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I learned about the Golden Age. I learned
about how rich the Netherlands was, but I
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never learned the downside of it. I never
learned about how Amsterdam is also built
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with slave money, and that is something that's
resurfacing. That's something that is being
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taught. There is a lot of awareness being created.
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To find out more about the black experience
in Holland, I went to talk to an old friend,
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Guilly Koster. As usual, it was hard to get
him to tell me what he really thought.
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I have a vlog and this vlog is called “Fok Jou.”
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All of the black men I know, and they're not
criminals, we are just being picked on. Even
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if you're the goalkeeper of the Dutch national
team, the police will stop you and ask you
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why are you driving a Mercedes.
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One major flashpoint for racial tensions is
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the Dutch custom known as Zwarte Piet, or
Black Pete, who is supposed to be Saint Nicholas’s
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black sidekick. As part of Dutch Christmas
celebrations many people dress up in blackface,
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and black people aren't too happy about it,
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The words silly and unrealistic work were redefined when I learned
that Saint Nicholas travels with what was consistently described
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as 6 to 8 black men. I asked several Dutch
people to narrow it down, but none of them
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could give me an exact number. It was always
six to eight which seems strange seeing as
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they’ve had hundreds of years to get a decent
count. The six to eight black men were characterized
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as personal slaves until the mid-50s when
the political climate changed, and it was
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decided that instead of being slaves they
were just good friends. I think history is
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proven that something usually comes between
slavery and friendship. A period of time marked
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not by cookies and quiet times beside the
fire but by bloodshed and mutual hostility.
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You can have the biggest fight about Zwarte
Piet here in The Netherlands. The biggest
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fight. The biggest controversy about a … schlemiel.
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So it was like the 5th of December. You know the night where we're
supposed to open up all the presents. Zwarte Piet is going to
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come and bring a stack of gifts, and we had
a ring on the doorbell. My daughter whips open
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the door, and there standing in the door is
Stanley the Surinamese guy who delivers packages
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on our block. My daughter she's like awwww,
and I'm trying to get to the door before she
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gets there. I’m like nooooo. And my daughters
like Zwarte Piet! And y’know, the American
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in me was thinking like my god my daughter is a racist.
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My mom used to tell us this is a weird tradition.
Don't, don't, don't, don't, you know take
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whatever you want to take the gifts and stuff,
but this is really weird. You need to know
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that this is not okay. So I was raised with
that notion, and the uncles, the black men
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in the refugee camp, would be like ‘oh my
god there we go again every year.'
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But public opinion on Black Pete is rapidly
changing and the general consensus seems to
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be that it's time for him to evolve.
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It isn't hallelujah here in the Netherlands.
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There are some racial problems, but overall
if you look at all the other countries it's
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best to be in in Holland in to be a Dutch woman.
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I still think that The Netherlands is the best.
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And why is that?
I love this country. I'm happy with our healthcare
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system. I'm happy with the political system.
I'm happy with our educational system. And
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I'm happy with the fact that there are possibilities
to work on all these levels.
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In my opinion there's two types of integration. You have
the melting pot. You give up who you are and
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I give up who I am and we become something
new, we melt together. This is what we have
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been trying, but it's not working. So I suggest
we try the salad bowl model where the carrot
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is the carrot and the tomato the tomato the
onion the onion, and we're still in this big
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bowl together and say ‘oh you're the onion.
Fine I'm the tomato. Let's meet. Let's make
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the salad. You know let's live together.' Rather
than becoming I want to become a tomato.
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An onion is never going to become a tomato.
I'm okay with this as long as we can get rid
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of the capers.
The capers yeah. Motherfuckers need to get out.
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One of the things Holland is well known for
is its legalized prostitution with a visit
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to the red light district a common tourist
attraction. But like many old Dutch institutions
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prostitution also has been changing.
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Prostitution is legal, but only in a very
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small frame. We have a system where city councils
are allowed to create their own rules within
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a certain frame and that makes it for a lot
of sex workers impossible to be an independent
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sex worker in the city they live in. Here
in Amsterdam you can only work behind the
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window as an independent sex worker, and you
can work from a brothel, but then you need
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to work under the license of the brothel owner.
But if you want to be like an independent
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sex worker working from your own home or in
your own home that's something that's not
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allowed. There are 292 windows left and we're
coming from around 400.
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And what's behind the move to reduce the number of windows?
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We say gentrification. The city council says
human trafficking, but there wasn’t really
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a legal base to do that so a lot of brothel
owners were just bought out with tax money.
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Are people okay with that?
Yeah, because if you frame it as fighting
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human trafficking, people are easy to stand
with that claim, but a lot of sex workers
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lost their window and to us it's very problematic.
In 2000 we had the ban on brothels lifted
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and we saw that there were around 1,300 licensed
places and now we are around 700.
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So instead of having more safe, legal places
to work we are having less of those spaces
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and we are not allowed to create our own work
and create our own businesses on our own terms.
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So that's problematic, and we try to get rid
of that law.
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Interestingly, Yvette’s organization is
partially funded by the government.
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We’ve got a big project fund from our ministry
of safety and justice.
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And they give you money?
Yes.
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Well that's kind of cool.
That is kind of cool and it’s also, it’s
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very important if you want to have a healthy and
meaningful policy on sex work you have to include sex workers.
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Prostitution in the Netherlands is regulated.
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In most cities you will need a license to
operate legally, and it means that we have
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to follow a very strict rules. There are a
lot of measures that the Amsterdam city council
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took to make sure that everybody that works
in prostitution does so out of their own free will.
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And there's also a lot of responsibility
for the people that for example have an escort
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agency or that own a club.
How much does it cost?
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It start with 2 hours and for two hours a
client pays 700 Euros and then it can go up
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to well like whatever.
Do you take credit cards?
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We do, with a 10% service charge.
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Probably the biggest factor in the slow demise of Holland's red light district
is the same thing that's disrupting every industry - the internet.
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When we first started, the internet was like
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a small thing so then you had the Yellow Pages.
The Yellow Pages were really like the main
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communication means at that time and now of
course it’s the internet.
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How do you get your clients?
From an advertisement on Kinky.nl
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Is that where most people advertise?
Oh yeah it is a very busy there.
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And what is your ad say?
25 year old trans girl. Come visit me. I have
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some nice of pictures also. Something like that.
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And how many emails do you get a day?
I think 60 messages.
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So you could be really busy if you wanted to.
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Yeah, but not everybody comes. And sometimes
it is just for 'I want to have a nice a conversation.'
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That doesn't bring me money.
You don't charge for conversation?
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No.
Why not? Maybe you should.
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Well that's another thing.
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Simona, Janey’s partner is, believe it or not, a former Italian
championship professional wrestler who moved to the Netherlands.
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When you have to get a window if you are in
the day it’s 80, 110 Euros. If you are in
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the night 140, 150. That means that you need
3, 4 customers only for pay the cost. So working
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at home is better.
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Is looking for a trans prostitute super popular?
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Yeah. It is.
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It is.
And I think it will be more over time.
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Why do you think that's so popular?
People are sick of a normal thing I think.
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They want something special, They want to
see a nice a woman and then with something
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special and so in this case it is my dick.
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The trans have more clients than the women.
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When I was working in the windows, the girls
had 1 and I had 4.
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Do you feel free here in the Netherlands?
Yeah. It is a good thing here.
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Have you experienced discrimination?
Oh yeah.
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Like what?
When I’m walking on the street and people
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say ‘hey man’ or ‘faggot’ or that kind of shit.
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Do you find it very much by the neighborhood?
Oh yeah.
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So what are the worst neighborhoods?
Basically where the Muslims are.
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They’re the ones calling you names?
Yeah they say everything to me.
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Do you feel unsafe?
For me, I don't feel unsafe there because
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I just a walking there and then do my thing.
But I can understand for many people they do.
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Are you mad at the Muslims?
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It is not mad, but that they are different
I think. They think like that okay. But the
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funny thing is the next day I have the same
men that is a calling me and want to fuck.
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So you get Muslim men?
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Oh yeah. A lot of them. A lot of them.
What percentage? Do you have any idea?
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I think 60%.
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What changes have you seen in the last 20 years?
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It’s much more conservative and also what’s
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really a very big difference is that now a
lot of the times when people talk about prostitution,
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they talk about human trafficking like it's
the same. But the service itself not that
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much changed actually. You know sex is sex
and sex was sex 20 years ago so not much difference
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in that. I still think it's an amazing business
and I really enjoy it … wonderful with the
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girls. We've got great clients. We’ve got
great staff. So even things might be getting
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a bit more difficult but it's still I mean
there's so much more pros than there are cons.
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It's part of my identity. It's part of my
career identity. It’s part of my sex positive
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identity. I’m a feminist. I feel much more
liberated often when I do sex work then when
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I do something else.
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I love my job.
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What do you say to people who say you can't
be happy doing a job like that?
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When people say me that I always say to them
I am like a psychologist. You go to them.
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You put out all your bad feelings, bad things
and the psychologist make you happy. I take
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other things from you, but in the end I make you happy.
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Yeah for me it is just a normal job, I mean
I sell my body and for example you are
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selling a cars or I don't know.
Well movies hopefully.
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Or movies … I don't know.
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Polderen they call it. You know … to look at it from all
sides and then to look at the best possible solution.
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Polders are pieces of land in between dykes
that have been reclaimed from the sea.
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For the Dutch they've come to represent a way
of working together to ensure common interests.
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The Dutch society was built up according to
pillars. Like you had the Catholics, you had
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the Protestants, you had the socialist and
then you had the liberals. But they all have
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to kind of work together so there’s this consensus
mentality where everybody gets a little bit.
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The landscape requires a good deal of common
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cause and so then you do have to overcome
your religious differences or you do have
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to overcome your class differences in order
to work together. So the Dutch, despite the
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fact, or maybe precisely because of the fact
that they were a kaleidoscope different convictions
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had to find ways to work together nevertheless and defend
themselves against common enemies including the water.
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But not everyone likes the polder model.
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The polder model sucks and we have to get rid of that.
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Marianne Thieme is the chairperson of the
Party for the Animals, the world's first political
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party that represents the rights of animals
other than humans.
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Traditional politicians do not have the answers
for the current problems. I call them fossil
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politicians. The politicians are dictated
by the GDP. We want to get rid of this index.
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The index should be safety, health, the index
of happiness, the index of sustainability.
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And that will change our way of thinking.
We've got two seats in the senate and 5 in
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the lower house and then 45 in regional parliaments,
city councils. So yeah, we are growing.
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By focusing on animal rights and by focusing
on our food one touches a lot of other big
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problems in the world. The fact that the factory
farming industry is one of the major contributors
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to greenhouse gas emissions, to biodiversity
loss, to a manure problem that's got out of
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hand. If you try to save an animal life at
the same time you try to save a human life.
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In fact you try to save the planet.
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In the US party animal means something totally different.
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I know, but we like to party as well, so it’s no problem.
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Thanks in part to the Party for the Animals,
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the Dutch have some of the strongest animal
rights legislation in the world. They've also
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received a lot of attention because they no
longer have any stray dogs and every shelter is no kill.
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In Holland, municipalities became
responsible for animals
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on the street. So it means when someone sees
a cat or a dog without an owner, the municipality
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has to take care of it and so they are paying
the shelters.
417
00:35:11,449 --> 00:35:13,650
Do they have an animal party in the us?
418
00:35:13,650 --> 00:35:17,130
I don't know.
I don’t think so.
I don’t think so.
419
00:35:17,130 --> 00:35:19,907
We barely have a party for humans in the US.
420
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:27,140
Farm animals have a significant effect on
climate change, especially for the Dutch,
421
00:35:27,140 --> 00:35:33,907
because the Netherlands is the world's second largest
exporter of agricultural products after the United States.
422
00:35:34,865 --> 00:35:36,260
I just came back from the amazon and there's
423
00:35:36,260 --> 00:35:42,329
a lot of soy being exported. Most of the soy
goes to china to feed the 700 million pigs
424
00:35:42,329 --> 00:35:47,240
in china. But the second destination for soy
from the amazon is The Netherlands because
425
00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:53,980
there’s about a hundred million animals
kept here. The Netherlands imports soy from brazil
426
00:35:53,980 --> 00:35:58,615
that grows in brazil on an area size of half of the Netherlands.
427
00:35:58,615 --> 00:36:02,699
Beef is the main cause of global deforestation in the world.
428
00:36:03,408 --> 00:36:05,740
20 years ago I think people quite rightly
429
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:09,391
saw The Netherlands as one of the advanced
countries on environmental issues. I have
430
00:36:09,391 --> 00:36:13,840
to say I think we lost that position. There
is there is no … at least if you look at
431
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:18,589
it from government policies or ambitions and
all that. In any research that is conducted
432
00:36:18,589 --> 00:36:23,250
by the European union on the state of environment
we are always at the bottom.
433
00:36:23,250 --> 00:36:27,059
What happened to Dutch environmental policies
in the last 20 years?
434
00:36:27,059 --> 00:36:31,831
I think are two important factors. And one
is sort of what you saw a globally especially
435
00:36:31,831 --> 00:36:36,260
after 9/11 also in the Netherlands there was
a rise of populism. And there was sort of
436
00:36:36,260 --> 00:36:43,210
the swing to the right. And I think the other
thing is what people underestimate is the
437
00:36:43,210 --> 00:36:48,880
Netherlands is a truly deeply fossil fuel-based
country. Shell is Dutch company. We have the
438
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,651
largest petrochemical ports in Europe. We
have the largest gas reserve in Europe. We
439
00:36:53,651 --> 00:36:57,074
have one of the biggest transport industries.
440
00:36:57,299 --> 00:37:01,240
I'm a friend of the then CEO of Shell, Jeroen van der Veer,
441
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:07,630
and he and I talked a lot in
the 90s and early 2000s when he became CEO
442
00:37:07,630 --> 00:37:13,339
and he really set up a whole division for
sustainability within Shell. And it was only
443
00:37:13,339 --> 00:37:18,839
that the shareholders said no no this is too
costly. A significant part of our climate
444
00:37:18,839 --> 00:37:25,579
agenda moved into a adaptation, and over the last
10 years billions are now being invested
445
00:37:25,579 --> 00:37:30,450
in protecting our country against sea level rise.
I'm a coastal engineer. I say, OK, maybe
446
00:37:30,450 --> 00:37:35,579
we can manage one meter, maybe we can manage
2 meters. But whether we could manage 4 meters
447
00:37:35,579 --> 00:37:41,070
or 6 meters, this even looks to me beyond
control. I'm optimistic, but on sea level
448
00:37:41,070 --> 00:37:43,824
rise there is no reason to be optimistic.
449
00:37:45,537 --> 00:37:47,819
But the environmental news isn't all bad.
450
00:37:48,490 --> 00:37:53,180
The climate change commitments of Dutch banks
are good compared to many of their peers.
451
00:37:53,180 --> 00:37:57,630
So we are happy, for example, that ING, by
far the largest Dutch bank, has committed
452
00:37:57,630 --> 00:37:59,907
to not finance the coal sector any longer.
453
00:38:00,478 --> 00:38:03,240
We have together with Norway the biggest number
454
00:38:03,260 --> 00:38:08,849
of electric cars. We have the biggest number
of charging stations. We have the highest
455
00:38:08,849 --> 00:38:13,049
rate of recycling of all kinds of materials
be it paper, glass, and plastic.
456
00:38:13,049 --> 00:38:17,210
I don’t know if you saw the movie that was
put out, that the Dutch railways put out.
457
00:38:17,210 --> 00:38:23,220
You should look for it. You see the CEO of
the Dutch railway companies tied to one of
458
00:38:23,220 --> 00:38:28,615
the old traditional windmills and he's saying
look we’re 100% wind power let's go.
459
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,450
One of the more interesting developments in
Dutch environmental policy comes from the
460
00:38:56,450 --> 00:39:01,090
trailblazing Urgenda case where a group of
environmentalists took the Dutch government
461
00:39:01,090 --> 00:39:05,460
to court for failing to meet its climate change obligations.
462
00:39:05,460 --> 00:39:10,289
In the last 20 years we have had many right-wing
governments that thought that the market should
463
00:39:10,289 --> 00:39:15,119
do the work and the market doesn't do this
work. And then it was a member of our think
464
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:20,880
tank, Roger Cox, wrote a book that's called
Revolution Justified, and in this book he
465
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:26,309
makes the analysis that it’s needed to prevent
climate change much quicker than we do right
466
00:39:26,309 --> 00:39:31,150
now and that the only democratic way that
he could see that could still function was
467
00:39:31,150 --> 00:39:36,270
to go to court. And actually nobody in the
Netherlands and abroad expected that we would
468
00:39:36,270 --> 00:39:41,780
win. But we won and then within half an hour
it was all over the world that the judge has
469
00:39:41,780 --> 00:39:45,970
said that the that the Dutch government should
do 25% less CO2.
470
00:39:45,970 --> 00:39:50,299
Urgenda’s victory is the first time that
a judge has legally required a government
471
00:39:50,299 --> 00:39:55,380
to act on climate change. It's transformed
the debate in Holland and inspired similar
472
00:39:55,380 --> 00:39:59,540
cases in many other countries including the
United States.
473
00:39:59,540 --> 00:40:04,299
There is an enormous urgency to stay below
1.5 degree, and then we should really be on
474
00:40:04,299 --> 00:40:10,700
zero fossil fuels in 2030. Is it easy? No
of course not. It’s an enormous task and
475
00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:15,180
it will demand a lot from everybody. But it’s
still possible and in 15 years’ time it’s
476
00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:17,657
not possible anymore. Then we are too late.
477
00:40:18,522 --> 00:40:22,032
I made an agreement with my wife to protect
478
00:40:22,050 --> 00:40:30,170
my relation. And I promised her I will stop
drinking in 2030, I will stop smoking in 2040,
479
00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:38,590
and I will quit with my girlfriend in 2050.
This relation is the relation between the
480
00:40:38,590 --> 00:40:42,849
humanity and planet earth which is fixed in Paris.
481
00:40:42,907 --> 00:40:49,199
Maybe if you give up your girlfriend first you can save your
marriage and then give up drinking and smoking later.
482
00:40:49,907 --> 00:40:52,700
Holland 100 years ago we were heating our
483
00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:57,559
houses with coal. Then we found the gas, and
then the government said hey that's a good
484
00:40:57,559 --> 00:41:03,170
idea. Do you have any idea how many years
does it need to put every house in Holland
485
00:41:03,170 --> 00:41:07,319
from coal to gas? It was ten years. So it's
possible.
486
00:41:08,074 --> 00:41:13,660
If you think about projects before like Project
Manhattan or Project Apollo, when those started
487
00:41:13,660 --> 00:41:19,240
the technology nor the funds were available
to do what they had set out to do. And I think
488
00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:24,690
with this project we have the technology we
have sufficient means financially to actually
489
00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:28,830
fix this planet … to take the plastic out
of the ocean, to put the fish back, to heal
490
00:41:28,830 --> 00:41:32,930
the soil of this planet, and to take out of
the air what doesn't belong there. It's completely
491
00:41:32,930 --> 00:41:36,865
doable from a technological and financial
point of view. We just need to do it.
492
00:42:20,750 --> 00:42:27,800
One feet before the entrance of the coffee
shop if your frisked, your fucked. One foot
493
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:34,480
inside the coffeeshop, you’re okay. It works,
and it’s been working now since 1976.
494
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:39,970
The Dutch marijuana policy is known as gedogen,
which can be roughly translated as tolerating
495
00:42:39,970 --> 00:42:44,119
something you don't like. There are hundreds
of licensed coffee shops where marijuana is
496
00:42:44,119 --> 00:42:47,740
sold, but technically marijuana is still illegal.
497
00:42:47,740 --> 00:42:50,074
We do get regular checkups. They can walk
498
00:42:50,090 --> 00:42:55,430
in here and they will search the premises,
they will frisk us, but only after we've given
499
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:58,560
written permission.
And what if you don't sign that paper?
500
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:05,470
They get upset. But one has to consider that
the product itself is still illegal.
501
00:43:05,470 --> 00:43:10,250
Anyone who is handling the product outside
of the coffee shops is liable to be arrested
502
00:43:10,250 --> 00:43:13,170
and thrown in jail.
Does that really happen?
503
00:43:13,170 --> 00:43:19,549
I don't want to say it, but we probably have
the most laid-back and laziest police force
504
00:43:19,549 --> 00:43:20,865
in the western world.
505
00:43:21,086 --> 00:43:23,199
The first year we grew a couple of kilos and
506
00:43:23,210 --> 00:43:29,200
the second year we had a thousand female plants
there. And then we were busted by one policeman
507
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,480
who came up on his bicycle and he said ‘well
guys I don't know what you're doing out here.’
508
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:38,349
And we were saying ‘oh, we are enjoying
the outside life and we like to grow vegetables.’
509
00:43:38,349 --> 00:43:42,440
He said ‘don’t give me that bullshit.
I don't know what you're doing here and I
510
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,849
don't want to know it either.’ And we were
like ‘oh okay.’ And then he said ‘bye-bye.’
511
00:43:46,849 --> 00:43:50,630
And the whole thing took maybe 15 minutes,
and we were busted.
512
00:43:51,282 --> 00:43:57,119
Wernard Bruinig is a legendary figure in Dutch
marijuana circles because in the 1970s he
513
00:43:57,119 --> 00:43:59,990
opened the very first coffee shop called Mellow Yellow.
514
00:44:00,330 --> 00:44:03,157
The problem with cannabis are the people who
don't use it.
515
00:44:05,449 --> 00:44:07,115
Maybe I should smoke pot again.
516
00:44:07,875 --> 00:44:11,324
I quit school and I joined a group of hippie friends.
517
00:44:11,449 --> 00:44:15,319
The smoking was free as long as you
could sell it to your friends. We gave them
518
00:44:15,319 --> 00:44:20,410
tea each time they came to visit us. And the
standard joke was y’know we should maybe
519
00:44:20,410 --> 00:44:26,339
charge money for the tea so that we don't
need to work for money. That was the basic
520
00:44:26,339 --> 00:44:32,630
idea behind starting a coffee shop. So in
1973 we started the coffee shop and one
521
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:38,789
of us would sit in front of the bar pretending
he was just a visitor. And this person had
522
00:44:38,789 --> 00:44:44,650
a big bag in which he held several kinds
of hash and grass. The law didn't provide
523
00:44:44,650 --> 00:44:49,869
the possibilities to close down a shop just
because there was a customer inside who had
524
00:44:49,869 --> 00:44:55,809
a lot of hash or grass with him. This coffeeshop
was a huge success and we were also an example
525
00:44:55,809 --> 00:45:00,500
to a lot of other people who saw our success
and thought we can do it also and we can
526
00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:05,030
do it better. And we called ourselves the
green team. And the idea of the green team
527
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:09,907
was to turn Holland into the Jamaica of Europe.
And that's what happened.
528
00:45:10,074 --> 00:45:15,615
Surprisingly there are a lot less Dutch marijuana
smokers then in California.
529
00:45:17,532 --> 00:45:22,282
That's certainly something to be proud of as a Californian.
From Berkeley.
530
00:45:30,174 --> 00:45:32,115
Wow …
Man …
531
00:45:33,074 --> 00:45:38,349
Paradise…
6 AM in the AMS. It doesn’t stop.
532
00:45:38,349 --> 00:45:44,089
It doesn’t stop. Everywhere hectares and
hectares of our greenhouse genetics. Look here.
533
00:45:44,175 --> 00:45:46,740
What a place. So much pot.
534
00:45:46,865 --> 00:45:51,449
This was the Strain Hunters world book of
guiness records for marijuana, that’s for sure.
535
00:45:52,449 --> 00:45:54,782
See you on the next i-report for Strain Hunters. Bye bye.
536
00:46:00,269 --> 00:46:04,640
Coffeeshops are technically illegal. We always
have been prosecuted when they catch us with
537
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,430
more than 500 grams. They can take away your
license. They can cause all kinds of other
538
00:46:08,430 --> 00:46:15,029
problems. In the last 3 years, the last 20,
30 cases, the judge threw out the DA and said
539
00:46:15,029 --> 00:46:20,369
‘ok he’s guilty but I give 0 days prison.’
So now it’s a big riot. Even the justice
540
00:46:20,369 --> 00:46:24,440
minister is saying the judges are not allowed
to do this, because they're sitting on the
541
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,789
chair of the legislator. But the judges said
‘listen you had 30 years to solve this problem.
542
00:46:28,789 --> 00:46:32,900
They're paying tax. We think they’re legal.
We think they’re contributing to society.
543
00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:35,550
You go organize it. We are not prosecuting
anymore.’
544
00:46:35,550 --> 00:46:38,900
Do you love what you do?
Yeah, I think I have the greatest job on earth.
545
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:44,721
It’s so nice because it's very diverse.
You know I make movies, I make seeds, I travel
546
00:46:44,721 --> 00:46:50,240
a lot, I meet a lot of very interesting characters,
and I can be high at the same time.
547
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:54,900
You can't sell mushrooms?
No. Not anymore.
548
00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:56,880
You sell truffles.
Yeah.
549
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,500
What's the difference between a mushroom and
a truffle?
550
00:46:59,500 --> 00:47:04,470
It's the same organism only mushrooms are
the part the blooms above the ground, truffles
551
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:09,550
are the part that grows in the ground. But
they did ban the mushrooms in 2008, so we
552
00:47:09,550 --> 00:47:14,699
only have now the truffles left. But it is the same
organism. It’s also the same active ingredient.
553
00:47:15,074 --> 00:47:16,339
So those are fresh?
554
00:47:16,339 --> 00:47:18,369
Yeah.
They're not dried?
555
00:47:18,369 --> 00:47:23,089
No because that's illegal. We cannot process
the product and drying is processing the product
556
00:47:23,089 --> 00:47:27,079
and by law that’s illegal.
I don't see how drying is processing.
557
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:29,019
We either but …
That's the law …
558
00:47:29,019 --> 00:47:31,030
That's the law we have to follow.
How did they come up with that?
559
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:32,865
I have no idea.
560
00:47:33,740 --> 00:47:36,157
Are there problems with psychedelic mushrooms here?
561
00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:37,824
There are with tourists.
562
00:47:37,949 --> 00:47:42,599
With tourists. Generally we see people
getting into trouble
563
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:47,279
with especially mushrooms - magic mushrooms
as they’re called - in Amsterdam and it
564
00:47:47,279 --> 00:47:52,190
causes the first aid a lot of trouble. But
that's generally because they don't realize what
565
00:47:52,190 --> 00:47:57,640
sort of potency they have. If you look at
what's typical about the way Dutch people
566
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:03,279
who take drugs look at drug use they're quite
responsible in how they deal with this. So
567
00:48:03,279 --> 00:48:09,220
they are aware of these risks and they try
to sort of use in a rather responsible way.
568
00:48:09,220 --> 00:48:15,009
We know that we should always tell them there
is no safe way of using drugs so be aware
569
00:48:15,009 --> 00:48:19,970
and you are taking risks, but if you are doing
so, do it as responsible as you can. And we
570
00:48:19,970 --> 00:48:23,199
sort of enable them to use as responsible
as possible.
571
00:48:23,449 --> 00:48:27,660
3 days a week you can come here and test your
ecstasy and other drugs. And we test them
572
00:48:27,660 --> 00:48:33,260
on the quality, so what's in it and how strong
is it. We have 32 testing facilities in the
573
00:48:33,260 --> 00:48:37,110
Netherlands which are all connected. So as
soon as we pick out a tablet that has something
574
00:48:37,110 --> 00:48:41,400
in it that shouldn't be in there then we started
warning system. So there's warnings going
575
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:46,540
out on television, on the national news, and
through the internet, all the social media
576
00:48:46,540 --> 00:48:51,269
systems. But also we hang up posters in all
the clubs and parties so people know for example
577
00:48:51,269 --> 00:48:52,782
you can't use this pill.
578
00:48:53,606 --> 00:48:55,865
So the government is paying ...
Yeah.
579
00:48:55,865 --> 00:48:58,532
to test people's ecstasy tablets?
Yeah.
580
00:48:59,220 --> 00:49:03,289
What do you say to someone who says that that's
encouraging drug use.
581
00:49:03,289 --> 00:49:07,970
No, I don’t think that’s encouraging drug
use. We did research because of this and what
582
00:49:07,970 --> 00:49:13,119
a lot of those people said is that it actually
pointed out that ecstasy use was kind of risky
583
00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:17,789
because else why would you have to test an
ecstasy pill. Our ecstasy use in the Netherlands
584
00:49:17,789 --> 00:49:22,410
is quite as high as a lot people have experience
with ecstasy. But then ecstasy is not a substance
585
00:49:22,410 --> 00:49:27,670
which people get addicted to. But if you look
for example at heroin use and heroin addiction
586
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:32,230
or opiate addiction that's very low in the
Netherlands. The good thing is about Dutch
587
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:37,900
drug policy is that health goes first. Of
course certain drugs in the Netherlands are
588
00:49:37,900 --> 00:49:41,589
illegal, which means that you're not allowed
to sell them in and you're not allowed to
589
00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:45,549
have them on you, but as soon as you take
them it's not legal anymore. You can't be
590
00:49:45,549 --> 00:49:51,130
punished for that. We have the focus that we
don't want to marginalize the user. If someone
591
00:49:51,130 --> 00:49:56,260
has a problem with drugs you just want to
help them and not get them a rap sheet so
592
00:49:56,260 --> 00:50:00,240
that it's going to be more difficult to get
a job and they get into this negative spiral
593
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:04,380
in which their addiction will start all kinds
of other problems. And the Dutch government
594
00:50:04,380 --> 00:50:07,782
has decided to stop that and to look at a
different way.
595
00:50:36,059 --> 00:50:40,859
So your show is funded by the government?
Yeah.
596
00:50:40,859 --> 00:50:45,420
Do you get into trouble for that?
597
00:50:45,420 --> 00:50:48,324
No, because it's for educational matters.
Yeah.
598
00:51:10,930 --> 00:51:17,490
I never had an orgasm before that episode, and
I discovered my orgasm. So yeah that was
599
00:51:17,490 --> 00:51:21,540
that was a pretty personal episode. And I
got a lot of response about that.
600
00:51:21,540 --> 00:51:28,230
It was my first time, and I want to discover
my inner whore I said. I want to discover
601
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:30,074
my inner whore.
602
00:51:30,243 --> 00:51:33,157
Young people will experiment with sex and
603
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:41,150
with drugs. Let’s not to put it in the taboo
atmosphere, but let's educate them and get
604
00:51:41,150 --> 00:51:47,869
it into the light so that people talk about
it instead of doing it secretly, dangerously,
605
00:51:47,869 --> 00:51:52,589
illegally. So I think that's a very noble
thing to do.
606
00:51:52,589 --> 00:51:57,039
Like next week we’re making an item about
ecstasy, and we're going to use it on television
607
00:51:57,039 --> 00:52:02,260
and we're going to show our young watchers
how to take it properly.
608
00:52:02,260 --> 00:52:11,420
Some of our episodes are really in your face.
So for example we have had some beautiful
609
00:52:11,420 --> 00:52:14,865
stories about … let's say ... anal sex.
610
00:52:14,865 --> 00:52:17,115
You’re discovering the world of the anus.
611
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:23,579
Yeah. Anal stretching … fisting. And what
are the topics you are …
612
00:52:23,579 --> 00:52:26,030
You’re discovering the world of the anus.
Yeah.
613
00:52:26,030 --> 00:52:32,720
Does that mean that you meet a lot of assholes?
Uh … well, not yet, but I'm speaking with
614
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:40,049
people now who are anus stretching, and I
really want to follow someone who wants to
615
00:52:40,049 --> 00:52:43,699
be fisted. Like fisting.
616
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:50,615
Do you get any pressure from the government what
to make, what not to make, what they'd like to see,
617
00:52:50,615 --> 00:52:54,690
what they'd like you to stop showing?
No. No.
618
00:52:54,690 --> 00:52:56,210
Zero.
Zero.
619
00:52:56,210 --> 00:53:01,615
Spuiten & Slikken is so popular that it's
spawned a spinoff program called Drugslab.
620
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:15,190
It's an educational show in which three hosts
are taking the drugs that the audience wants
621
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:19,000
them to try so the audience don't have to
do it themselves.
622
00:53:19,449 --> 00:53:21,240
That’s the slogan.
Yeah, that’s the slogan.
623
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:24,349
We use drugs so you don’t have to.
Do you wear a lab coat lab coat?
624
00:53:24,349 --> 00:53:29,824
A lab coat? No, we don’t. We’re not professors.
We thought about it, but no.
625
00:53:30,032 --> 00:53:31,290
Did you guys bring some drugs?
626
00:53:31,290 --> 00:53:33,839
No, we did not.
No, we didn’t.
627
00:53:33,839 --> 00:53:39,019
So this is the Dutch government paying to
show kids doing drugs on television?
628
00:53:39,019 --> 00:53:40,074
Exactly.
629
00:53:40,074 --> 00:53:42,949
What are some of the drugs you've
taken on Drugslab?
630
00:53:43,157 --> 00:53:46,449
Oh … a lot ... Yeah.
631
00:53:49,074 --> 00:53:50,824
Do you want me to make a list?
Sure.
632
00:53:50,824 --> 00:54:01,615
Okay. MDMA, ecstasy, cocaine, DMT, GHB, Salvia
Divinorum, 2CB psychedelic.
633
00:54:01,824 --> 00:54:03,880
Aren’t those are illegal?
Yeah.
634
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,260
They are.
Yeah.
635
00:54:05,260 --> 00:54:08,990
So you’re doing something illegal on television.
Yeah.
636
00:54:10,074 --> 00:54:14,532
And you don't get into trouble for that?
Um … No.
637
00:54:15,220 --> 00:54:17,074
Aren't you running out of drugs to do?
638
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:22,782
I don't think so, because there are a lot
of drugs.
639
00:54:24,782 --> 00:54:29,690
Openness about sex and sex education is a
hallmark of Dutch culture. Goedele Liekens
640
00:54:29,690 --> 00:54:34,970
is a sexologist and UN goodwill ambassador
for reproductive health who has a show on
641
00:54:34,970 --> 00:54:37,074
Dutch TV called Goedele on top.
642
00:54:46,803 --> 00:54:49,032
I'm a goodwill ambassador for the United Nations
643
00:54:49,049 --> 00:54:55,869
for UNFPA, so I travel a lot of around to
world talking about sexuality, sexual health,
644
00:54:55,869 --> 00:55:01,500
reproductive health, women's empowerment,
and I must say the Dutch really have a
645
00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:04,240
very good way of giving sex education.
646
00:55:05,887 --> 00:55:08,949
What age does sex education start in the Netherlands?
647
00:55:10,900 --> 00:55:12,407
Whenever you want to talk about it.
648
00:55:12,846 --> 00:55:15,407
When I'm having my little Dutch kids
649
00:55:16,151 --> 00:55:20,980
and we visit the US and they say ‘grandma,
grandma read us a story’ and it’s “Sammy the
650
00:55:20,980 --> 00:55:27,657
Supersperm.” Grandma’s like ‘oh well,
I don't know if that's appropriate.’
651
00:55:27,782 --> 00:55:33,529
My son’s in the second year of high school
now. And he’s just had about 6 months of
652
00:55:33,529 --> 00:55:36,950
sex ed. Like biology has been sex for like
months on end.
653
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:42,279
At the age of 15, 16 when adolescents have
a boyfriend, or girlfriend and it seems to
654
00:55:42,279 --> 00:55:49,319
be a bit stable, Dutch parents are much more
likely to allow a sleepover. We want our children
655
00:55:49,319 --> 00:55:54,059
to be safe, but the Dutch parent would say
‘I know children can’t be controlled.
656
00:55:54,059 --> 00:55:59,910
I know they'll become sexually active no matter
what I do so I don't want it to happen in
657
00:55:59,910 --> 00:56:05,907
the bushes at night, somewhere at a dangerous
place, but if it happens I want it to happen in my house.
658
00:56:06,449 --> 00:56:08,829
The Dutch tend to lose their virginity later than
659
00:56:08,829 --> 00:56:12,549
other countries where they try and stop them
from losing it. They’re much better at using
660
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:19,199
contraception and that's far lower teenage
pregnancy here as a result so if it's proven to work.
661
00:56:19,449 --> 00:56:22,140
The contraceptive use of Dutch women is extremely
662
00:56:22,140 --> 00:56:25,779
high. Sterilization is also high.
Both male and female.
663
00:56:25,779 --> 00:56:29,069
More male. So that’s what the Dutch guys
do well.
664
00:56:29,069 --> 00:56:33,869
The number of abortions in Dutch women is
very low. If you need it, you can have it.
665
00:56:33,869 --> 00:56:37,790
It’s paid for by the insurance system. The
whole thing is that you tried to prevent it
666
00:56:37,790 --> 00:56:43,049
by a good contraceptive practice. The number
of unwanted pregnancy and teenage pregnancies
667
00:56:43,049 --> 00:56:44,449
is extremely low.
668
00:56:44,888 --> 00:56:48,365
The more sex education they get,
the later young people
669
00:56:48,365 --> 00:56:52,859
will start to have sex, the less amount of
partners they will have, and the less amount
670
00:56:52,859 --> 00:56:59,490
of risk for STDs and unwanted pregnancies.
And a very important one, the less high is
671
00:56:59,490 --> 00:57:05,759
the risk for sexual harassment to be to become
someone who does it, or to become a victim
672
00:57:05,759 --> 00:57:08,240
so how many more reasons do we need?
673
00:57:09,822 --> 00:57:12,240
According to Reporters Without Borders the
674
00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:16,799
Netherlands is one of the highest ranked countries
in terms of free speech and freedom of the
675
00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:21,690
press. One of the organizations working to
keep it that way is the Pirate Party
676
00:57:21,690 --> 00:57:26,880
Do you feel like you're free here in the Netherlands?
We are quite free, especially if you compare
677
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:31,079
it to other countries.
What's your vision of an ideal society?
678
00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:35,470
People's rights should be protected, and they
should have the freedom to organize themselves.
679
00:57:35,470 --> 00:57:38,779
Which country in the world comes closest to that?
680
00:57:38,779 --> 00:57:43,099
I think we come pretty close actually. The
nice thing I think about the Netherlands that
681
00:57:43,099 --> 00:57:47,769
we have less and less people in prison. We
don't have private prisons. We have more and
682
00:57:47,769 --> 00:57:53,574
more empty prisons, and now they're being
used as universities or to house refugees.
683
00:57:54,074 --> 00:57:58,720
We also see it with the Pirate Party as a
test that we have to empower people to
684
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:03,880
not be tracked by large companies or governments.
So we also organize crypto parties in which
685
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:09,460
we help people install applications which
are better. There are many lists of open source
686
00:58:09,460 --> 00:58:16,430
alternatives with which you do not get tracked.
Do you guys do ecstasy at the crypto parties?
687
00:58:16,430 --> 00:58:20,190
Not a crypto parties.
At the crypto after party?
688
00:58:20,190 --> 00:58:21,824
Some people do maybe.
689
00:58:31,231 --> 00:58:33,699
So when you go on a date do you go Dutch?
690
00:58:35,074 --> 00:58:39,782
Well I thought about that but yeah
… No. No.
691
00:58:40,282 --> 00:58:46,890
I ended up being called this honorary title
called “allochtoon” which is a wonderful
692
00:58:46,890 --> 00:58:53,480
term that you earn if you live here long enough.
Allochtoon … it's a word that Dutch people
693
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:59,630
made up so that if you don't say it right
they know you're not from around here.
694
00:58:59,630 --> 00:59:05,029
I think the official definition is if one
of your both parents are born outside the
695
00:59:05,029 --> 00:59:10,509
Netherlands, then you are considered allochtoon.
Which you could say is migrant. But in a sense
696
00:59:10,509 --> 00:59:14,470
it's very strange because if you're born here
how can you be a migrant?
697
00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:19,099
Family members always call me and they’re
like ‘So is it true that drugs are free
698
00:59:19,099 --> 00:59:23,449
in your country?’ I’m like, they’re not free.
You can buy them, but they’re not free.
699
00:59:32,365 --> 00:59:34,559
In general, from the police they take you
700
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:42,730
to asylum, to the camps, to everywhere, it
is perfect. Yeah. Everybody smiling. Everybody
701
00:59:42,730 --> 00:59:48,359
take care of you. This is a great. And to
take asylum in 2 months, 2 and 1/2 months,
702
00:59:48,359 --> 00:59:50,699
it is the fastest asylum in all Europe.
703
00:59:51,182 --> 00:59:53,740
Coming from a war torn country into this country
704
00:59:53,759 --> 00:59:57,559
the Netherlands has been like my safe haven.
I have relatives who were struggling in war
705
00:59:57,559 --> 01:00:02,059
torn countries who are trying to travel to
the west, so I was pretty lucky growing up
706
01:00:02,059 --> 01:00:06,960
in this country. But then with all of the
terrorist attacks happening all over the world
707
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,032
my sense of safety has changed.
708
01:00:10,508 --> 01:00:13,407
As long as it went good nobody was complaining.
709
01:00:13,740 --> 01:00:19,380
When the economy went down end 70s early 80s
we started to hear these people are not adapted.
710
01:00:19,380 --> 01:00:22,880
But then again the economy went good during
the rest of the 80s. And then with the huge
711
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,574
crisis and after 9/11 we have to have
a scapegoat.
712
01:00:39,369 --> 01:00:44,070
It kind of freaks out when we see the rise
of the right in Holland because Holland is
713
01:00:44,070 --> 01:00:47,980
so liberal and chilled out.
Part of it has to do with a we see everywhere
714
01:00:47,980 --> 01:00:55,410
and that is that the people who voted for
him were done with the traditional political
715
01:00:55,410 --> 01:01:00,859
leadership in this country. They saw them
as essentially giving Muslims or immigrants
716
01:01:00,859 --> 01:01:06,230
greater consideration than the interests of
hard-working Dutch people. And for that reason
717
01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:08,949
they voted for him in a vote of protest.
718
01:01:09,414 --> 01:01:12,032
Geert Wilders is a very astute politician
719
01:01:12,049 --> 01:01:17,700
you know. He keeps winning politician of the
year. Specifically the year 1933.
720
01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:22,730
Unlike right-wing populists in the US, in
Holland they are strong supporters of national
721
01:01:22,730 --> 01:01:27,380
healthcare and the welfare state and though
they always say that politics makes for strange
722
01:01:27,380 --> 01:01:32,282
bedfellows it was still surprising to hear
about Wilders support for gay rights.
723
01:01:33,059 --> 01:01:39,029
He's thinking the Muslims hate the gays. I
hate the Muslims, so I must love the gays.
724
01:01:39,029 --> 01:01:43,890
It works like this, and there's actually quite
a few right-wing LGBT friends of mine falling
725
01:01:43,890 --> 01:01:48,200
for this but …
So Geert Wilders loves the gays?
726
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,980
Well I haven't seen him with one around him, but …
727
01:01:50,980 --> 01:01:57,599
In Holland, the right-wing parties and not
necessarily anti-gay. Often … Geert Wilders
728
01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:03,450
Freedom Party's pro-gay. And one of the first
populists in Holland Pim Fortuyn was gay himself.
729
01:02:03,450 --> 01:02:06,250
And the religious parties are not necessarily
anti-gay either.
730
01:02:06,250 --> 01:02:10,760
There is no politician in Holland who could
be homophobic. If they try, they will have
731
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:15,079
huge problems. It's still different than
in many other countries here in the Netherlands.
732
01:02:15,740 --> 01:02:21,039
I'm also known as drag queen Jennifer Hopelezz.
Can I Google that and see what Jennifer Hopelezz
733
01:02:21,039 --> 01:02:23,657
looks like?
Yeah … very pretty.
734
01:02:25,032 --> 01:02:29,660
The liberal climate here is what really attracted
me to the country. We were the very first
735
01:02:29,660 --> 01:02:34,349
country and Amsterdam very first city where
gays and lesbians could marry. Six months
736
01:02:34,349 --> 01:02:38,480
after I came I met my husband and that's why
I stayed here all these years. We’ve been
737
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:43,009
together 26, nearly 27 years.
How do you stay together with someone for
738
01:02:43,009 --> 01:02:47,490
26 years?
We don’t live together. That’s the number one secret.
739
01:02:48,282 --> 01:02:51,539
I came out very late. Around my 28th. And
740
01:02:51,539 --> 01:02:57,231
what I have always seen here is as a gay couple
you could do and have everything. In some
741
01:02:57,231 --> 01:03:02,829
subjects you have to deliver more paperwork,
it took a little bit longer maybe. But I
742
01:03:02,829 --> 01:03:08,069
think everything is the same between heterosexuals
and gay couples.
743
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:13,049
The country has moved to the right, and I
think the world has moved to the right and
744
01:03:13,049 --> 01:03:17,069
I think Holland is still the most liberal
country in the world, but yeah it has got
745
01:03:17,069 --> 01:03:21,210
more conservative. In terms of AIDS prevention
we were really ahead of a lot of countries
746
01:03:21,210 --> 01:03:24,799
when it first hit. The education programs
were really good in Holland and the rates
747
01:03:24,799 --> 01:03:28,009
were fairly low compared to other countries,
but we’ve really stalled.
748
01:03:28,009 --> 01:03:35,099
I’m gay. I have a husband and I can’t
walk around town holding his hand or kissing
749
01:03:35,099 --> 01:03:40,990
him in public. I should to make it more clear
guys like us are gay as well, but you just don’t.
750
01:03:40,990 --> 01:03:45,249
While 15 years ago it wasn't a problem at all.
751
01:03:45,249 --> 01:03:52,157
I still see a lot more people having less and less
problems with the issue. Less and less homophobia.
752
01:03:52,324 --> 01:03:58,490
I think it is one of the best countries to
lead a gay a life I'm quite sure about.
753
01:03:58,490 --> 01:04:01,130
It’s not totally a gay paradise but it’s as good as it gets.
754
01:04:07,199 --> 01:04:09,480
I was working with students from different
755
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:15,309
countries and one of them was like ‘I was
told that I had to have this Dutch cuisine
756
01:04:15,309 --> 01:04:21,749
kapsalon.’ Kapsalon is basically shawarma
with french fries and salad and cheese. So
757
01:04:21,749 --> 01:04:26,650
this American guy was telling me I have to
have this Dutch cuisine, and it was really
758
01:04:26,650 --> 01:04:32,560
interesting to me because it is Dutch. The
guy who made it up is a Moroccan guy who lived
759
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:38,220
in Rotterdam. Identity is fluid, and I think
the Moroccans and the Dutch and the Somalis
760
01:04:38,220 --> 01:04:43,130
and the Pakistanis and Suriname and everyone
who lives in this country is also influencing
761
01:04:43,130 --> 01:04:44,699
that idea of identity.
762
01:04:44,995 --> 01:04:46,657
When we say in the Netherlands this is typical
763
01:04:46,670 --> 01:04:52,390
Dutch, I always ask myself what do you mean
with that. And it's still changing and that's
764
01:04:52,390 --> 01:04:57,630
something I've learned. In the beginning you
think will orange is the Dutch color, you
765
01:04:57,630 --> 01:05:02,249
know the tulip, the potato. And then you
study and you think potatoes are actually
766
01:05:02,249 --> 01:05:06,260
from southern America and the tulip is from
Turkey and what else is really Dutch. And
767
01:05:06,260 --> 01:05:08,970
then you can deconstruct what the culture
is made of.
768
01:05:08,970 --> 01:05:11,790
Is there anything in your mind that's typically
Dutch?
769
01:05:11,790 --> 01:05:13,407
Well the language, I think.
770
01:05:13,407 --> 01:05:16,032
The problem with Van Gogh is that if you would
771
01:05:16,039 --> 01:05:20,180
pronounce him by his Dutch name and say
‘Van Gogh’ nobody would recognize that
772
01:05:20,180 --> 01:05:22,032
you're talking about that artist.
773
01:05:22,032 --> 01:05:24,282
I'd like to say I can speak Dutch, but I don't
774
01:05:24,299 --> 01:05:27,865
like to speak Dutch because it makes my mouth
feel sad.
775
01:05:27,907 --> 01:05:35,460
That's not me. That’s Jonathan.
When I talk Dutch he thinks I'm a pig.
776
01:05:36,503 --> 01:05:39,074
(Clearing their throats.)
777
01:05:39,615 --> 01:05:44,490
The French used to say that Dutch is not a
language, it’s a problem with your throat.
778
01:05:44,532 --> 01:05:50,949
I visit Arnhem, Wagningen …
I’m sorry, Wagenin-gen?
779
01:05:51,175 --> 01:05:54,489
I think the Dutch actually pronounce it ‘nech-mech.’
780
01:05:54,489 --> 01:05:58,860
Do you do your porn in English or Dutch?
I do my porn in English. Especially
781
01:05:58,860 --> 01:06:02,660
my webcamming. I prefer not to speak Dutch.
Why is that?
782
01:06:02,660 --> 01:06:06,529
Because Dutch has very ugly words to describe
sexual desire.
783
01:06:06,907 --> 01:06:11,220
Are you learning Dutch?
No! It's an impossible, impenetrable fortress
784
01:06:11,220 --> 01:06:16,319
of language. My bass player says that he thinks
the Dutch just make it up as a joke on everybody
785
01:06:16,319 --> 01:06:21,324
else and that it’s just completely not a
language at all. They secretly all speak English.
786
01:06:31,369 --> 01:06:36,365
It seems like when you first come here that there
are more bicycles than people and that is exactly accurate.
787
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:54,282
Do you ever participate in the world naked bike ride?
788
01:06:54,282 --> 01:07:02,657
No. I'm not allowed from my public affairs
person. But I like the initiative very much.
789
01:07:02,865 --> 01:07:06,359
We say there are about 13, 14 million cyclists
790
01:07:06,359 --> 01:07:13,269
in a country with 17 million people. We also
cycle towards a high age. We have every year
791
01:07:13,269 --> 01:07:17,880
maybe 10 or 20 80 plusers who die while riding
their bikes
792
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:24,549
So the people are dying on their bicycles.
Yeah, or they fall down. Some of them die
793
01:07:24,549 --> 01:07:27,770
when they have a heart attack or stroke or
whatever.
794
01:07:27,770 --> 01:07:30,949
I'm not sure that's the best advertisement
for bicycling.
795
01:07:33,180 --> 01:07:35,960
There are a lot of bikes out there.
Yeah, that’s true.
796
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:39,819
Does every kid come to school on a bike?
Walking, biking …
797
01:07:39,819 --> 01:07:42,509
Do you have a school bus system?
No.
798
01:07:42,509 --> 01:07:45,574
What happens if a kid's family can't afford
a bike?
799
01:07:48,130 --> 01:07:53,239
That's like saying people can’t breathe.
Everyone in Holland has a bike.
800
01:07:53,239 --> 01:07:59,130
My mom and dad also bike, and our Somali family
members in other countries are like ‘do
801
01:07:59,130 --> 01:08:04,170
you bike?’ Like my dad is 70 and my mom
is like this Somali lady with her dresses
802
01:08:04,170 --> 01:08:08,865
and they’re like ‘do you really bike?’ And my
mom’s like ‘yeah … how else do I get around?’
803
01:08:08,949 --> 01:08:10,880
Did you get a bicycle yet?
804
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:16,870
No. No. I don't think also I will use the bicycle
805
01:08:16,870 --> 01:08:20,339
Don't they make you get a bicycle as part
of the asylum process?
806
01:08:20,339 --> 01:08:22,365
Yeah, they try.
807
01:08:22,490 --> 01:08:29,040
Queen Beatrix rode a bike and now our present
king also rides a bike and they also do it with the families.
808
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:33,009
Everybody cycles here – even the Prime Minister.
It’s because we have a really egalitarian
809
01:08:33,009 --> 01:08:37,319
society. You’re very on the same level.
And I think this is one of the explanations,
810
01:08:37,319 --> 01:08:44,470
the reason why people like biking because
it keeps us all the same. We made choices,
811
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:50,480
consistent choices over 30 years for giving
priority to slow mobility to bikes and pedestrians
812
01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:54,850
It's been point of pride for Houten that their
city has, for many years, won the Cyclists
813
01:08:54,850 --> 01:08:57,615
Union Cycling City of the Netherlands Award.
814
01:08:57,740 --> 01:09:02,240
Yeah, they used to be the bike city.
The top now is Nijmegen.
815
01:09:02,324 --> 01:09:06,450
Saskia told me that you lost your crown to Nijmegen.
Yeah.
816
01:09:06,450 --> 01:09:11,170
Is that true?
Well it's true of course. But we always say
817
01:09:11,170 --> 01:09:16,080
there is only one bicycle town in the world
and that's Houten. So I think that's just
818
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,270
envy of all the others. But we are best for sure.
819
01:09:19,270 --> 01:09:23,450
Are you going to challenge the mayor of Nijmegen
to a bicycle race?
820
01:09:23,450 --> 01:09:29,532
Well I will win for sure. I don’t know if you’ve seen
the mayor of Nijmegen. I should say look him up.
821
01:09:29,949 --> 01:09:33,126
Dutch cyclists, they kind of behave like a
822
01:09:33,250 --> 01:09:40,000
swarm of sparrows. We anticipate to the cyclists
who are nearest to us. So if we see them going
823
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:44,850
to the right we tend to follow because we
know probably there's something in front that
824
01:09:44,850 --> 01:09:50,699
I don't see but he sees so I follow. I really
strongly believe that builds a culture of trust.
825
01:09:52,615 --> 01:09:54,570
While bicycles make create a lot of trust
826
01:09:54,570 --> 01:10:00,040
in Dutch society, they're also the cause of
the country's leading annoyance.
827
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,640
Have you had your bicycle stolen?
Sure.
828
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:04,740
My bikes get stolen once a year.
829
01:10:04,740 --> 01:10:07,110
Yeah mine was stolen, I think 2 weeks ago.
830
01:10:07,324 --> 01:10:13,870
I've had two bikes stolen while I've been
here. Actually both in the last week.
831
01:10:13,870 --> 01:10:19,157
I don’t lock my bike for the last 2 months
and it's not stolen yet so it's a bit of a luck.
832
01:10:19,157 --> 01:10:20,510
Can you tell me where it is?
833
01:10:20,907 --> 01:10:22,115
So you can take it?
834
01:10:22,115 --> 01:10:25,074
Is there some kind of government agency where
835
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:29,610
I can go as a tourist to get my money back
for my 2 stolen bikes?
836
01:10:30,910 --> 01:10:31,660
No.
837
01:10:32,907 --> 01:10:34,949
How many locks did you have in your bike?
One.
838
01:10:34,949 --> 01:10:37,420
On the next bike you should put two or three.
839
01:10:37,420 --> 01:10:41,090
Two or three? But that takes so long.
That's the thing. That's why we work less
840
01:10:41,090 --> 01:10:44,365
than Americans, so we have time to lock our
bikes basically
841
01:10:56,365 --> 01:11:01,400
According to the OECD, the Dutch work among
the least number of hours. So how does their
842
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:07,030
system pay for so much time off?
It’s a welfare state. The highest taxation
843
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:14,130
is 52% of your income. It goes with steps
up and I’m in the 52% bracket so I have
844
01:11:14,130 --> 01:11:16,730
to pay quite a lot.
Does that bother you?
845
01:11:16,730 --> 01:11:24,365
Uh yeah when I have to … No, it doesn't
bother me so much because you get a lot for that.
846
01:11:24,615 --> 01:11:26,580
The institutions and policies that the Nordic
847
01:11:26,580 --> 01:11:31,080
countries and the Netherlands have adopted
get you very good outcomes in the area of
848
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:37,140
economic security, low poverty and equality
of opportunity, and they do just as well if
849
01:11:37,140 --> 01:11:41,820
not better than on lots of other outcomes
including economic growth, but also liberty,
850
01:11:41,824 --> 01:11:45,407
privacy, community, and many, many others.
851
01:11:46,990 --> 01:11:52,810
What do you say to someone who says that you're breeding laziness?
How?
852
01:11:52,810 --> 01:12:00,115
By having people work too little.
Oh…well the productivity levels were reasonable.
853
01:12:02,449 --> 01:12:04,710
Has Holland's expansive welfare state turned
854
01:12:04,710 --> 01:12:10,800
the Dutch into a nation of lackadaisical layabouts?
Apparently not. In fact, the Netherlands is
855
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:14,550
ranked as one of the best countries to be
an entrepreneur.
856
01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:20,430
If you look at the World Economic Forum, we
are now number 5 in competitiveness. We are,
857
01:12:20,430 --> 01:12:24,920
after Germany, the greatest exporter in the
European union. If you look at the agriculture
858
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:28,290
we are the second exporter in the world after
the United States
859
01:12:28,290 --> 01:12:34,290
In a society where government provides to
everyone some of these basic services and
860
01:12:34,290 --> 01:12:39,970
supports in the form of public insurance
programs we in fact can be more individualistic.
861
01:12:39,970 --> 01:12:45,440
A bit more government services and public
insurance programs can enhance rather than
862
01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:47,240
limit or subtract from freedom.
863
01:12:49,282 --> 01:12:52,350
The theory of capitalism.
You work hard, save
864
01:12:52,350 --> 01:12:58,020
up and buy two cows. You sell one and buy
a bull. Your herd multiplies, the economy
865
01:12:58,020 --> 01:13:00,407
grows, and society prospers.
866
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:05,699
The reality of capitalism.
A multinational corporation forecloses
867
01:13:05,700 --> 01:13:10,580
on a farmer and repos 2 cows. It sells one
to a subsidiary company, leases it back to
868
01:13:10,580 --> 01:13:14,750
itself, and declares a tax loss. After giving
the remaining cow drugs to make it produce
869
01:13:14,750 --> 01:13:19,900
the milk of 4 cows, it executes a credit default
swap to buy 20 more cows and transfer the
870
01:13:19,900 --> 01:13:25,260
rights to 50 leveraged cows via a Panamanian
intermediary to a Cayman Islands company secretly
871
01:13:25,260 --> 01:13:29,390
owned by a Russian oligarch. Three people
who donated the most to the government win
872
01:13:29,390 --> 01:13:31,490
and everyone else loses.
873
01:13:32,990 --> 01:13:37,199
Social democracy.
To create more cow ownership all of the world's
874
01:13:37,210 --> 01:13:41,940
developed nations have evolved into social
democracies that mix free market capitalism
875
01:13:41,940 --> 01:13:47,390
with socialism, so the government runs important
public services like education, police and
876
01:13:47,390 --> 01:13:53,000
firefighters, the military, utilities, pensions,
and healthcare. The difference between countries
877
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:58,230
is in the amount of services they provide.
Maybe it's just a coincidence, but the countries
878
01:13:58,230 --> 01:14:02,990
with the most generous social programs are
also the world's happiest.
879
01:14:22,824 --> 01:14:27,970
There's this word that has come up a lot in
talking to people. Gezelligheid.
880
01:14:27,970 --> 01:14:32,311
Yeah. Gezelligheid.
Gezelligheid. Gezelligheid. Do you think that
881
01:14:32,311 --> 01:14:38,520
plays a roll in Dutch happiness?
Well I think maybe the fact that we have such
882
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:43,820
a word does show that social values are considered
important.
883
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:48,290
Bringing people together, sitting them around
the table with some kind of food and drink
884
01:14:48,290 --> 01:14:53,340
often and then they say oh yeah, this is gezellig.
This is really cozy I suppose is the closest
885
01:14:53,340 --> 01:14:56,324
you can say. Cozy and together.
886
01:14:56,324 --> 01:15:00,110
Dutch people like to confirm that it’s gezellig,
887
01:15:00,110 --> 01:15:07,020
when it’s gezellig. So we sit together and
we say ‘gezellig yeah?’ ‘Gezellig.’
888
01:15:07,020 --> 01:15:11,660
I think it’s just a nice social atmosphere,
we value that.
889
01:15:11,660 --> 01:15:16,810
It’s one of those words that it's difficult
to translate because it encompasses more of
890
01:15:16,810 --> 01:15:23,390
a feeling rather than actual definition. So
when you think of love and coziness and also
891
01:15:23,390 --> 01:15:29,470
the feelings of acceptance and belonging.
The idea is to actually foster human connections
892
01:15:29,470 --> 01:15:34,220
and I'm a firm believer that’s one of the
reasons why Dutch kids and also Dutch adults
893
01:15:34,220 --> 01:15:36,115
are among the happiest in the world.
894
01:15:48,324 --> 01:15:52,824
If you want to know what a good society is
look how happy the people are.
895
01:15:53,282 --> 01:15:56,140
The happiest
countries in the world are typically western
896
01:15:56,140 --> 01:16:04,520
countries. The first key is sheer survival
… safety, food. Once that is arranged it
897
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:11,020
comes more to freedom. And why is freedom
important to happiness? Well in conditions
898
01:16:11,020 --> 01:16:16,230
of freedom people can choose a way of life
that fits them best.
899
01:16:16,657 --> 01:16:22,560
A big difference is how wealth spread within
the Netherlands, and we've seen some very
900
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:28,000
interesting studies looking at the differences
in how wealth is distributed in a country
901
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:33,210
and the level of happiness and there is a
very clear connection to it. So you see in
902
01:16:33,210 --> 01:16:38,990
countries where there is less difference between
rich and poor, people are generally much more happy.
903
01:16:39,615 --> 01:16:43,560
If you assess religiousness of a country, then
904
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:48,657
you see a negative relationship. The more
believers, the less happy.
905
01:16:48,657 --> 01:16:53,074
The number of churches is going down. The
number of ministers is very much going down.
906
01:16:53,074 --> 01:16:58,050
The theology departments at universities have
absolutely hardly any students anymore, so
907
01:16:58,050 --> 01:17:00,824
it's really a secular country these days.
908
01:17:01,074 --> 01:17:04,615
Well, the Dutch may be the happiest people
in the world.
909
01:17:04,615 --> 01:17:07,160
I’m not totally sure whether
they are, but they complain a lot.
910
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:11,782
Yeah that true. Especially in Amsterdam. We
really like to complain.
911
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,532
They like to complain. I mean that’s the
Dutch national pastime.
912
01:17:15,532 --> 01:17:19,410
The majority of the Netherlands, of the Dutch
people, still think that the country is moving
913
01:17:19,410 --> 01:17:23,440
into in the wrong direction
The majority thinks it’s in the wrong direction.
914
01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:24,860
Yes.
What percent thinks that?
915
01:17:24,860 --> 01:17:26,532
It’s about 60% normally.
916
01:17:26,532 --> 01:17:29,949
The Dutch writer Simon Carmichael wrote in
917
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:35,760
the 1950s already ‘The Dutch are a satisfied
people but express it in an unsatisfied way.’
918
01:17:36,032 --> 01:17:39,282
Do you think the Netherlands is getting more
free or less free?
919
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:43,615
I would say less free.
920
01:17:43,615 --> 01:17:48,990
There’s less freedom. Less desire to explore liberties.
921
01:17:48,990 --> 01:17:54,240
Nowadays I think a lot of people don't dare
to express themselves.
922
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:56,400
The fear of globalization is also present
923
01:17:56,400 --> 01:18:01,210
in this country of course. The feeling that
there are too many people from other countries.
924
01:18:01,324 --> 01:18:07,080
Dutch people are very vocal about things that
they think don’t work, so that leads to
925
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:12,190
a lot of questioning of things and a lot of
improvement of things. So I think that's part
926
01:18:12,190 --> 01:18:17,790
of what helps things improve here is people
who say it's not good enough.
927
01:18:17,790 --> 01:18:21,080
At the same time you see that this a democracy
reform is coming up.
928
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,740
There is also a thriving culture, an underground
culture.
929
01:18:23,740 --> 01:18:28,910
I also think there are a lot of people nowadays
that are coming forward
930
01:18:28,910 --> 01:18:36,610
20 years ago gay marriages were not yet there.
The law on euthanasia was not yet there.
931
01:18:36,610 --> 01:18:43,574
I recently got knighted. You know that which
is completely impossible 20 years ago.
932
01:18:43,710 --> 01:18:49,120
Maybe you have seen the line of happiness
in the Netherlands. It goes up and we live
933
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:54,370
now longer and happier than ever in human
history. I think it would be wise if governments
934
01:18:54,370 --> 01:19:00,670
invest in happiness just like they invest
in health. And it will also be profitable
935
01:19:00,670 --> 01:19:07,350
for governments because happy people appear
to be better citizens. They participate more
936
01:19:07,350 --> 01:19:13,410
in the democratic process. Typically better
informed. They vote more. And especially interesting
937
01:19:13,410 --> 01:19:19,320
for governments, they better pay their taxes.
You mean they’re more honest, or they pay more?
938
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:20,320
Both.
939
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:23,480
Are you happy?
Yes I am.
940
01:19:23,480 --> 01:19:26,560
You look happy.
I feel so.
941
01:19:26,865 --> 01:19:32,620
Tim, are you hopeful about the future?
Yes. But it will be a bumpy road I think.
942
01:19:32,620 --> 01:19:38,440
I believe in humanity. I think that humans
are smart enough to realize that we have to
943
01:19:38,440 --> 01:19:40,490
take a different course.
944
01:19:40,615 --> 01:19:44,150
In these times of crisis, we need boldness
945
01:19:44,150 --> 01:19:50,070
and we need a view and we need ideas. I think
it's time to choose.
946
01:19:50,070 --> 01:19:57,020
My agenda is I want to change the world.
I was picking up on that.
947
01:19:57,020 --> 01:20:02,960
Economy me now is the relation between humanity
and money. The new system will be the relation
948
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,824
between humanity and planet earth.
949
01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:08,949
So what do you think Johan? Are you hopeful
about the future?
950
01:20:08,949 --> 01:20:11,657
I wouldn't do this work everyday with Banktrack
951
01:20:11,657 --> 01:20:16,110
if I thought it's all hopeless. But it's all
pretty hopeless. I read this saying that I
952
01:20:16,110 --> 01:20:21,110
really took as my slogan. ‘We have no chance
at all, and we will grab it with both our hands.’
953
01:20:21,574 --> 01:20:24,850
Rather than fighting the darkness, I prefer
954
01:20:24,850 --> 01:20:33,080
lit up a candle. I believe our children together
will be able to get this to a better place.
955
01:20:33,407 --> 01:20:39,140
There is enough room in the Netherlands for
solar and wind power and to a certain extent
956
01:20:39,140 --> 01:20:44,550
geothermal heat to make all our energy in
a renewable way.
957
01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:51,490
Those companies that go for sustainability have
made more profit, have created higher employment,
958
01:20:51,490 --> 01:20:56,615
and are growing faster than the traditional
companies, the old economy.
959
01:20:56,699 --> 01:21:02,480
Ivette, are you hopeful about the future?
Yeah. I'm really hopeful. I'm hopeful because
960
01:21:02,480 --> 01:21:07,449
of the amount of people that are standing
up and are getting aware.
961
01:21:47,660 --> 01:21:52,820
This is a reward for living in Holland. As
a child you get to hear this story, and as
962
01:21:52,820 --> 01:21:57,290
an adult you get to turn around and repeat
it. As an added bonus, the government has
963
01:21:57,290 --> 01:22:04,740
thrown in legalized drugs and prostitution.
So what's not to love about being Dutch?
964
01:22:07,824 --> 01:22:13,800
There you have it - Dutch social democracy
in the 21st century. 20 years later I still
965
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:18,560
see a lot of myself in this gezellig
little country. Only now we both have less
966
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:21,949
sex, less drugs, and more bicycles.
967
01:22:23,609 --> 01:22:27,115
So is social democracy the nightmare we've
been warned about?
968
01:22:27,115 --> 01:22:32,020
It sure didn't seem that way
to me. But everyone has to decide for themselves
969
01:22:32,020 --> 01:22:37,960
how nightmarish it is to have month-long double
paid vacations and universal health care.
970
01:22:38,824 --> 01:22:44,110
Thank you all so much for joining me on this
journey and if you see me on the bike path
971
01:22:44,110 --> 01:22:45,782
make sure to say hi.
972
01:22:56,291 --> 01:22:59,074
And why are Dutch people so tall?
973
01:22:59,074 --> 01:23:01,574
You’re not going to ask me that question?
Why are Dutch people so tall?
974
01:23:01,574 --> 01:23:05,690
I have no idea. I think it must be the diet.
They’re the tallest race on earth.
975
01:23:05,690 --> 01:23:07,540
They are, and it’s freaky.
It’s freaky.
976
01:23:07,540 --> 01:23:11,020
And they’re much taller than 20 years ago.
Oh really?
977
01:23:11,020 --> 01:23:14,949
Yeah they are.
Or maybe your spine’s just compacted.
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