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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 3 00:00:18,846 --> 00:00:22,160 [soft mysterious music] 4 00:00:32,411 --> 00:00:36,415 - [Narrator] For 22 years, starting officially in 1948, 5 00:00:36,450 --> 00:00:39,349 the United States Air Force was responsible 6 00:00:39,384 --> 00:00:44,078 for investigating reports of unidentified flying objects. 7 00:00:44,113 --> 00:00:48,876 That investigation began with a serious high-priority status 8 00:00:48,910 --> 00:00:51,085 to search for answers. 9 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,123 About a year later, those involved created 10 00:00:54,157 --> 00:00:56,263 an estimate of the situation. 11 00:00:57,333 --> 00:00:59,266 That was an intelligence analysis 12 00:00:59,300 --> 00:01:02,096 of the events that had taken place. 13 00:01:02,131 --> 00:01:05,341 The conclusion was that the flying saucers 14 00:01:05,375 --> 00:01:08,240 were interplanetary craft. 15 00:01:08,275 --> 00:01:12,279 The Air Force Chief of Staff, General Hoyt S. Vandenberg, 16 00:01:12,313 --> 00:01:15,937 rejected the analysis and nearly everyone involved 17 00:01:15,972 --> 00:01:19,458 in its creation found themselves reassigned. 18 00:01:20,942 --> 00:01:25,430 The UFO project, then known as Sign, fell into disarray. 19 00:01:26,051 --> 00:01:28,398 After a series of officers had been put in charge 20 00:01:28,433 --> 00:01:32,678 and the name changed first to Grudge, then Blue Book, 21 00:01:32,713 --> 00:01:35,819 investigations became a priority. 22 00:01:35,854 --> 00:01:37,580 They didn't last very long 23 00:01:37,614 --> 00:01:40,514 and eventually Blue Book became little more 24 00:01:40,548 --> 00:01:42,861 than a public relations operation 25 00:01:42,895 --> 00:01:45,035 designed to convince the public 26 00:01:45,070 --> 00:01:47,762 that the Air Force was doing its job, 27 00:01:47,797 --> 00:01:51,111 that there was no threat to national security, 28 00:01:51,145 --> 00:01:55,529 and that there was nothing to the tales of flying saucers. 29 00:02:02,260 --> 00:02:05,608 [electronic music] 30 00:02:05,642 --> 00:02:08,197 [text beeping] 31 00:02:12,994 --> 00:02:16,377 [tense mysterious music] 32 00:02:32,324 --> 00:02:36,397 During the Second World War, they were called foo fighters, 33 00:02:36,432 --> 00:02:40,194 and in 1946 as they flew over Scandinavia, 34 00:02:40,229 --> 00:02:42,610 they were known as ghost rockets. 35 00:02:42,645 --> 00:02:46,304 It wasn't until Boise, Idaho businessman Kenneth Arnold 36 00:02:46,338 --> 00:02:48,961 saw them near Mount Rainier, Washington, 37 00:02:48,996 --> 00:02:51,550 that they became flying saucers. 38 00:02:52,793 --> 00:02:54,726 Although the official investigation 39 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,556 wouldn't be launched for another six months, 40 00:02:57,591 --> 00:02:59,627 the Arnold sighting was the first one 41 00:02:59,662 --> 00:03:03,562 to receive major coverage in the United States. 42 00:03:03,597 --> 00:03:06,703 Army Air Forces investigations working 43 00:03:06,738 --> 00:03:09,258 out of the Fourth Air Force Headquarters 44 00:03:09,292 --> 00:03:12,537 became deeply involved in the Arnold sighting. 45 00:03:14,642 --> 00:03:17,473 Arnold made his sighting of these strange objects 46 00:03:17,507 --> 00:03:21,994 flying one behind the other at about 9,500 feet 47 00:03:22,029 --> 00:03:27,034 at a speed he estimated to be more than 1,500 miles an hour. 48 00:03:28,173 --> 00:03:30,037 This was something that clearly wasn't made 49 00:03:30,071 --> 00:03:33,420 in secret projects hidden in the mountains of New Mexico 50 00:03:33,454 --> 00:03:36,871 and it wasn't something that was made by the Soviet Union 51 00:03:36,906 --> 00:03:40,427 as they began to press for world domination. 52 00:03:40,461 --> 00:03:44,672 This was something strange that had no ready explanation 53 00:03:44,707 --> 00:03:48,642 other than it was strange and almost impossible to believe. 54 00:03:50,506 --> 00:03:53,094 When Arnold landed later in the afternoon 55 00:03:53,129 --> 00:03:56,132 on June 24th in Yakima, Washington, 56 00:03:56,166 --> 00:04:00,032 he told the assembled reporters what he had seen. 57 00:04:00,067 --> 00:04:02,276 In the course of describing the objects, 58 00:04:02,311 --> 00:04:04,416 he said they moved with a motion 59 00:04:04,451 --> 00:04:08,455 like that of saucers skipping across the water. 60 00:04:08,489 --> 00:04:10,940 The shape, however, according to drawings 61 00:04:10,974 --> 00:04:13,356 that Arnold completed for the Army, 62 00:04:13,391 --> 00:04:17,671 showed objects that were keel-shaped with a blunt nose. 63 00:04:17,705 --> 00:04:20,467 In later drawings, Arnold had elaborated, 64 00:04:20,501 --> 00:04:23,124 showing objects that were crescent-shaped 65 00:04:23,159 --> 00:04:25,299 with a scalloped trailing edge 66 00:04:25,334 --> 00:04:28,198 and even a clear canopy over the cockpit. 67 00:04:30,822 --> 00:04:33,307 Later, Arnold would provide the military 68 00:04:33,342 --> 00:04:35,999 with a written description of the events 69 00:04:36,034 --> 00:04:39,209 in a document that was originally classified 70 00:04:39,244 --> 00:04:42,661 but that has long since been released. 71 00:04:42,696 --> 00:04:43,869 Arnold wrote-- 72 00:04:45,354 --> 00:04:48,080 - [Man] On June 24th, I'd finished my work. 73 00:04:48,115 --> 00:04:49,254 At about two o'clock, 74 00:04:49,289 --> 00:04:51,360 I took off for Chehalis Washington Airport 75 00:04:51,394 --> 00:04:54,604 with the intention of going to Yakima, Washington. 76 00:04:54,639 --> 00:04:56,468 I flew directly toward Mount Rainier 77 00:04:56,503 --> 00:04:59,816 after reaching an altitude of about 9,500 feet 78 00:04:59,851 --> 00:05:01,335 which is the approximate elevation 79 00:05:01,370 --> 00:05:04,649 of the high plateau from which Mount Rainier rises. 80 00:05:04,683 --> 00:05:07,445 There was a DC-4 to the left and to the rear of me 81 00:05:07,479 --> 00:05:09,930 approximately 15 miles' distance, 82 00:05:09,964 --> 00:05:13,761 and I should judge a 14,000 foot elevation. 83 00:05:13,796 --> 00:05:15,867 I hadn't flown more than two or three minutes 84 00:05:15,901 --> 00:05:19,698 on my course when a brightflash reflected on my airplane. 85 00:05:19,733 --> 00:05:21,769 It startled me as I thought I was too close 86 00:05:21,804 --> 00:05:23,668 to some other aircraft. 87 00:05:23,702 --> 00:05:25,670 I looked every place in the sky 88 00:05:25,704 --> 00:05:28,017 and couldn't find where the reflection had come from 89 00:05:28,051 --> 00:05:31,054 until I looked to the left and the north of Mount Rainier 90 00:05:31,089 --> 00:05:34,195 where I observed a chain of nine peculiar-looking aircraft 91 00:05:34,230 --> 00:05:36,025 flying from north to the south 92 00:05:36,059 --> 00:05:38,959 at approximately 9,500 foot elevation 93 00:05:38,993 --> 00:05:41,479 and going seemingly in a definite direction 94 00:05:41,513 --> 00:05:43,343 of about 170 degrees. 95 00:05:44,792 --> 00:05:46,587 They, the objects, 96 00:05:46,622 --> 00:05:49,141 were approaching Mount Rainier very rapidly 97 00:05:49,176 --> 00:05:51,730 and I merely assumed they were jet planes. 98 00:05:51,765 --> 00:05:53,732 Anyhow, I discovered that this 99 00:05:53,767 --> 00:05:55,562 was where the reflection had come from 100 00:05:55,596 --> 00:05:58,185 as two or three of them every few seconds would dip 101 00:05:58,219 --> 00:06:00,498 or change their course slightly just enough 102 00:06:00,532 --> 00:06:02,258 for the sun to strike them at an angle 103 00:06:02,292 --> 00:06:04,364 that reflected brightly on my plane. 104 00:06:05,779 --> 00:06:07,988 I thought it was very peculiar that I couldn't their tails 105 00:06:08,022 --> 00:06:10,887 but assumed they were some type of jet plane. 106 00:06:10,922 --> 00:06:12,820 I was determined to clock their speed 107 00:06:12,855 --> 00:06:16,099 as I had two definite points I could clock them by. 108 00:06:16,134 --> 00:06:17,963 I watched these objects with great interest 109 00:06:17,998 --> 00:06:20,207 as I had never before observed airplanes 110 00:06:20,241 --> 00:06:22,830 flying so close to the mountaintops. 111 00:06:22,865 --> 00:06:25,695 I would estimate their elevationcould've varied 1,000 feet 112 00:06:25,730 --> 00:06:27,490 one way or another, up or down. 113 00:06:28,940 --> 00:06:31,943 They flew like many times I have observed geese to fly 114 00:06:31,977 --> 00:06:34,670 in a rather diagonal chain-like line 115 00:06:34,704 --> 00:06:36,672 as if they were linked together. 116 00:06:36,706 --> 00:06:39,778 Their speed at the time did not impress me particularly 117 00:06:39,813 --> 00:06:42,332 because I knew that our Army and Air Forces had planes 118 00:06:42,367 --> 00:06:43,748 that went very fast. 119 00:06:44,921 --> 00:06:47,130 A number of newsmen and experts suggested 120 00:06:47,165 --> 00:06:49,063 that I might've been seeing reflections 121 00:06:49,098 --> 00:06:50,824 or even a mirage. 122 00:06:50,858 --> 00:06:53,102 This I know to be absolutely false 123 00:06:53,136 --> 00:06:55,622 as I observed these objects not only through the glass 124 00:06:55,656 --> 00:06:58,452 of my airplane, but turned my airplane sideways 125 00:06:58,487 --> 00:07:00,523 where I could open my window and observe them 126 00:07:00,558 --> 00:07:03,561 with a completely unobstructed view. 127 00:07:03,595 --> 00:07:05,977 When these objects were flying approximately straight 128 00:07:06,011 --> 00:07:09,014 and level, they were just a black thin line, 129 00:07:09,049 --> 00:07:11,085 and when they flipped was the only time 130 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,156 I could get a judgment as to their size. 131 00:07:20,129 --> 00:07:21,924 - [Narrator] Arnold's sightings didn't gain 132 00:07:21,958 --> 00:07:24,202 front-page status immediately. 133 00:07:24,236 --> 00:07:27,688 Stories about it appeared in newspapers a day or two later, 134 00:07:27,723 --> 00:07:31,692 usually on page eight or nine, and then with a comment 135 00:07:31,727 --> 00:07:34,384 about strange objects in fast flight. 136 00:07:34,419 --> 00:07:38,458 It was, at that time, the story of an oddity. 137 00:07:38,492 --> 00:07:41,564 Arnold claimed later that he thought he had seen 138 00:07:41,599 --> 00:07:45,637 some sort of new jet aircraft and he was a little concerned 139 00:07:45,672 --> 00:07:47,984 about breaking the security around it. 140 00:07:54,922 --> 00:07:57,684 [dramatic music] 141 00:08:04,553 --> 00:08:07,245 In the Project Blue Book files is a note 142 00:08:07,279 --> 00:08:08,764 about the Arnold case 143 00:08:08,798 --> 00:08:12,526 which labeled it as incident number 37. 144 00:08:12,561 --> 00:08:16,288 The Air Force officers who reviewed the case wrote, 145 00:08:16,323 --> 00:08:20,292 "The report cannot bear even superficial examination, 146 00:08:20,327 --> 00:08:22,950 "therefore, must be disregarded. 147 00:08:22,985 --> 00:08:25,608 "There are strong indications that this report 148 00:08:25,643 --> 00:08:29,923 "and its attendant publicity is largely responsible 149 00:08:29,957 --> 00:08:31,959 "for subsequent reports." 150 00:08:33,789 --> 00:08:37,033 Note content with a negative note in the file. 151 00:08:37,068 --> 00:08:39,898 The unidentified officer also wrote, 152 00:08:39,933 --> 00:08:43,177 "It is to be noted that the observer has profited 153 00:08:43,212 --> 00:08:47,043 "from his story by selling it to 'FATE Magazine'." 154 00:08:48,907 --> 00:08:51,876 Here for the first time were two accusations 155 00:08:51,910 --> 00:08:55,396 that would be made about many UFO cases, 156 00:08:55,431 --> 00:08:58,848 that is, the witnesses were in it for the money 157 00:08:58,883 --> 00:09:02,127 and a suggestion that UFO reports were the result 158 00:09:02,162 --> 00:09:04,474 of the snowball effect. 159 00:09:04,509 --> 00:09:07,995 It seems to suggest that Arnold invented his tale 160 00:09:08,030 --> 00:09:11,896 with an eye to writing a story about it for "FATE". 161 00:09:11,930 --> 00:09:14,243 There is no evidence to support this 162 00:09:14,277 --> 00:09:16,935 and Arnold had not written any articles 163 00:09:16,970 --> 00:09:19,800 for any magazines prior to this sighting. 164 00:09:21,250 --> 00:09:24,218 The editors of "FATE", and Ray Palmer specifically, 165 00:09:24,253 --> 00:09:26,013 who would become one of the first 166 00:09:26,048 --> 00:09:29,569 and most vocal proponents of the flying saucers, 167 00:09:29,603 --> 00:09:33,538 induced Arnold into writing about what he had seen. 168 00:09:33,573 --> 00:09:36,403 The point then becomes irrelevant. 169 00:09:36,437 --> 00:09:40,096 The article doesn't seem to have been a motive for Arnold 170 00:09:40,131 --> 00:09:43,065 but more of a serendipitous reward 171 00:09:43,099 --> 00:09:46,689 for seeing and reporting the objects in the first place. 172 00:09:50,175 --> 00:09:53,489 It seems that thoseinvestigating the flying saucers 173 00:09:53,523 --> 00:09:57,700 didn't see a link between his sighting and photographs taken 174 00:09:57,735 --> 00:10:02,740 on July 7th, 1947, in Phoenix, Arizona. 175 00:10:03,879 --> 00:10:05,846 William A. Rhodes, a self-employed scientist 176 00:10:05,881 --> 00:10:08,262 living in Phoenix, claimed he had taken 177 00:10:08,297 --> 00:10:12,094 what might be considered the first good photographs 178 00:10:12,128 --> 00:10:15,131 of one of the flying saucers. 179 00:10:15,166 --> 00:10:17,064 Initially puzzled by the case, 180 00:10:17,099 --> 00:10:20,343 the military did take the report seriously. 181 00:10:20,378 --> 00:10:23,001 The investigation that included the FBI, 182 00:10:23,036 --> 00:10:27,523 whose agent asked not to be identified as an FBI agent, 183 00:10:27,557 --> 00:10:30,422 accompanied the Army Air Force's officer 184 00:10:30,457 --> 00:10:31,872 to interview Rhodes. 185 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:34,944 Rhodes would first tell reporters 186 00:10:34,979 --> 00:10:37,671 and then various government investigators, 187 00:10:37,706 --> 00:10:39,949 including those from the FBI 188 00:10:39,984 --> 00:10:42,952 and the Army's Counter Intelligence Corps 189 00:10:42,987 --> 00:10:45,886 that he had been on his way to his workshop 190 00:10:45,921 --> 00:10:50,028 at the rear of his house when he heard a distinctive whoosh 191 00:10:50,063 --> 00:10:54,930 that he believed to be from a P-80 Shooting Star fighter jet 192 00:10:54,964 --> 00:10:58,761 which was the fastest airplane at that particular moment. 193 00:10:58,796 --> 00:11:01,937 Overhead he saw something that didn't have the shape 194 00:11:01,971 --> 00:11:04,249 of a conventional aircraft. 195 00:11:04,284 --> 00:11:07,908 He hurried to his lab, grabbed his camera from his workbench 196 00:11:07,943 --> 00:11:12,257 and hurried outside to a small mound in his backyard. 197 00:11:13,465 --> 00:11:16,745 Rhodes sighted along the side of his camera 198 00:11:16,779 --> 00:11:18,954 and it took the first photograph. 199 00:11:18,988 --> 00:11:22,785 He estimated that the object was circling in the east. 200 00:11:22,820 --> 00:11:24,994 He advanced the film and then hesitated, 201 00:11:25,029 --> 00:11:28,618 thinking that he would wait for the object to get closer. 202 00:11:28,653 --> 00:11:31,552 Worried that it would disappearwithout coming closer, 203 00:11:31,587 --> 00:11:35,142 he snapped the second picture, finished the film roll, 204 00:11:35,177 --> 00:11:37,835 and his ability to record the event further. 205 00:11:39,319 --> 00:11:42,322 Rhodes' story, along with the pictures, appeared 206 00:11:42,356 --> 00:11:46,775 in the Phoenix newspaper "The Arizona Republic" on July 9th. 207 00:11:47,914 --> 00:11:50,951 In that article, men long experienced 208 00:11:50,986 --> 00:11:54,472 in aircraft recognition studied both the print 209 00:11:54,506 --> 00:11:56,854 and the negative from which they were made 210 00:11:56,888 --> 00:11:59,063 and declined to make a guess 211 00:11:59,097 --> 00:12:01,410 on what the flying object might be. 212 00:12:04,654 --> 00:12:07,727 Rhodes said that the object appeared to be elliptical 213 00:12:07,761 --> 00:12:12,283 in shape and to have a diameter of 20 to 30 feet. 214 00:12:12,317 --> 00:12:15,700 It appeared to be at 5,000 feet when first seen 215 00:12:15,735 --> 00:12:18,185 and was traveling according to Rhodes 216 00:12:18,220 --> 00:12:21,637 at 400 to 600 miles per hour. 217 00:12:21,671 --> 00:12:23,673 It was gray, which tended to blend 218 00:12:23,708 --> 00:12:26,504 with the gray overcast background of the sky. 219 00:12:27,816 --> 00:12:30,163 The object had, according to Rhodes 220 00:12:30,197 --> 00:12:33,649 and a confidential report from the Project Blue Book files, 221 00:12:33,683 --> 00:12:37,757 what appeared to be a cockpit canopy in the center 222 00:12:37,791 --> 00:12:41,933 which extended toward the back and beneath the object. 223 00:12:41,968 --> 00:12:44,694 The cockpit did not protrude from the surface 224 00:12:44,729 --> 00:12:47,421 but was clearly visible with the naked eye. 225 00:12:50,770 --> 00:12:54,290 Then on August 29th, according to a memorandum 226 00:12:54,325 --> 00:12:58,087 from the office in charge, George Fugate, Jr, 227 00:12:58,122 --> 00:13:00,987 a special agent of the CIC and stationed 228 00:13:01,021 --> 00:13:03,161 at Fourth Air Force Headquarters, 229 00:13:03,196 --> 00:13:05,405 interviewed Rhodes in person. 230 00:13:05,439 --> 00:13:09,064 Fugate was accompanied by Special Agent Brower 231 00:13:09,098 --> 00:13:11,929 of the Phoenix FBI Office. 232 00:13:11,963 --> 00:13:15,484 This interview is importantbecause of some of the confusion 233 00:13:15,518 --> 00:13:18,383 about location of the negatives and prints 234 00:13:18,418 --> 00:13:20,869 of the photograph that would develop later. 235 00:13:22,491 --> 00:13:25,943 During the interview, Rhodes again told the story, 236 00:13:25,977 --> 00:13:28,635 suggesting that he thought at first 237 00:13:28,669 --> 00:13:31,880 it might have been the Navy's Flying Flapjack 238 00:13:31,914 --> 00:13:35,815 which had been featured on the May 1947 cover 239 00:13:35,849 --> 00:13:37,747 of "Mechanix Illustrated". 240 00:13:39,991 --> 00:13:43,236 He rejected the idea because he saw no propellors 241 00:13:43,270 --> 00:13:46,101 or landing gear, though the overall shape 242 00:13:46,135 --> 00:13:49,518 of the craft matched that of the Flapjack. 243 00:13:49,552 --> 00:13:52,348 Later, research by various investigators, 244 00:13:52,383 --> 00:13:56,421 both military and civilian, showed that the Navy built 245 00:13:56,456 --> 00:13:59,321 two Flapjacks but neither had flown 246 00:13:59,355 --> 00:14:02,358 outside the Bridgeport, Connecticut area. 247 00:14:02,393 --> 00:14:05,292 The project was canceled in 1947 248 00:14:05,327 --> 00:14:08,433 as the Navy moved to jet-powered aircraft. 249 00:14:14,577 --> 00:14:18,374 While Rhodes was being interviewed in his home in Phoenix, 250 00:14:18,409 --> 00:14:21,032 Arnold, because he lived in the Northwest, 251 00:14:21,067 --> 00:14:24,518 Lieutenant Frank Brown with Captain William Davidson 252 00:14:24,553 --> 00:14:27,970 took a B-25 and flew up to Tacoma, Washington, 253 00:14:28,005 --> 00:14:31,974 where Arnold was investigating Maury Island. 254 00:14:32,009 --> 00:14:34,597 They all got together in Arnold's hotel room 255 00:14:34,632 --> 00:14:37,807 late in the evening where Arnold showed them the debris 256 00:14:37,842 --> 00:14:40,949 that had been recovered on Maury Island 257 00:14:40,983 --> 00:14:44,642 that Dahl and Crisman had given him. 258 00:14:46,023 --> 00:14:48,404 Both Army officers, Brown and Davidson, believed 259 00:14:48,439 --> 00:14:51,718 that the material was nothing more than smelter slag. 260 00:14:51,752 --> 00:14:55,170 They were unimpressed but both man respected Arnold. 261 00:14:55,204 --> 00:14:56,826 They didn't tell him they believed 262 00:14:56,861 --> 00:14:59,588 the Maury Island tale to be a hoax. 263 00:15:01,728 --> 00:15:04,351 All of this takes us back to Rhodes. 264 00:15:04,386 --> 00:15:07,734 According to Early, Arnold asked the two officers 265 00:15:07,768 --> 00:15:10,012 what Army intelligence had learned 266 00:15:10,047 --> 00:15:13,843 about UFOs in the days after his sighting. 267 00:15:13,878 --> 00:15:17,640 Davidson sat down and then drew a picture of an object. 268 00:15:17,675 --> 00:15:20,264 He told Arnold, "This is a drawing of one 269 00:15:20,298 --> 00:15:24,820 "of several photographs we consider to be authentic." 270 00:15:24,854 --> 00:15:26,787 Brown then added the information 271 00:15:26,822 --> 00:15:29,100 that tied it to the Rhodes photograph. 272 00:15:29,135 --> 00:15:33,001 He said, "It came from Phoenix,Arizona, the other day. 273 00:15:33,035 --> 00:15:35,831 "We have prints of it at Hamilton Field 274 00:15:35,865 --> 00:15:39,490 "but the original negativeswere flown to Washington, D.C." 275 00:15:40,698 --> 00:15:43,080 It is clear that those pictures were the ones 276 00:15:43,114 --> 00:15:44,564 that Rhodes had taken 277 00:15:44,598 --> 00:15:48,119 since there were no other UFO photographs taken 278 00:15:48,154 --> 00:15:51,536 in July, 1947, in Phoenix, Arizona. 279 00:15:52,952 --> 00:15:56,645 It's interesting that Brown mentioned Hamilton Field 280 00:15:56,679 --> 00:15:58,992 because Rhodes does the same thing, 281 00:15:59,027 --> 00:16:01,995 and Hamilton Field was part of the Fourth Air Force 282 00:16:02,030 --> 00:16:06,966 in 1947, and Rhodes had communications with officers 283 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,417 at Fourth Air Force about his photograph as well. 284 00:16:13,696 --> 00:16:15,698 In the end, the Air Force decided 285 00:16:15,733 --> 00:16:19,081 that Arnold had been fooled by mirages created 286 00:16:19,116 --> 00:16:20,876 as the wind whipped up the snow 287 00:16:20,910 --> 00:16:23,327 at the highest levels of the mountain. 288 00:16:23,361 --> 00:16:27,020 Rhodes had created a hoax, no real evidence of that, 289 00:16:27,055 --> 00:16:29,954 but when they had no other explanation, 290 00:16:29,989 --> 00:16:33,026 they claimed the sighting was a hoax. 291 00:16:33,061 --> 00:16:35,822 What they couldn't explain, and didn't try, 292 00:16:35,856 --> 00:16:38,756 was how Rhodes could photograph an object 293 00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:41,448 that looked like that reported by Arnold 294 00:16:41,483 --> 00:16:45,038 without having seen the Arnold illustrations. 295 00:16:47,385 --> 00:16:51,010 The belief at the beginning of the official investigation 296 00:16:51,044 --> 00:16:53,667 was that trained military personnel 297 00:16:53,702 --> 00:16:56,256 and law enforcement officers made the best, 298 00:16:56,291 --> 00:16:58,534 most credible witnesses. 299 00:16:58,569 --> 00:17:02,469 Using this criteria, they selected a number of reports 300 00:17:02,504 --> 00:17:04,678 that seemed inexplicable to them 301 00:17:04,713 --> 00:17:08,613 and that seemed to suggest that the observed craft 302 00:17:08,648 --> 00:17:11,133 were beyond the technical capability 303 00:17:11,168 --> 00:17:12,997 of any nation on Earth. 304 00:17:13,032 --> 00:17:16,863 [mysterious percussive music] 305 00:17:29,979 --> 00:17:32,534 [somber music] 306 00:17:36,124 --> 00:17:40,093 On July 4th, 1947, there were a series of sightings 307 00:17:40,128 --> 00:17:42,302 over several Northwest states 308 00:17:42,337 --> 00:17:46,272 that Air Force officers labeledas either insufficient data 309 00:17:46,306 --> 00:17:50,828 for a scientific analysis or as unidentified. 310 00:17:50,862 --> 00:17:54,383 These involved police officers and airline flight crews 311 00:17:54,418 --> 00:17:56,765 as well as local civilians. 312 00:17:56,799 --> 00:17:59,768 Many of the reports were independent of one another 313 00:17:59,802 --> 00:18:02,011 but can be linked by location, 314 00:18:02,046 --> 00:18:04,773 time of day, and other factors. 315 00:18:04,807 --> 00:18:07,224 Combined rather than separated, 316 00:18:07,258 --> 00:18:09,191 they make a powerful statement 317 00:18:09,226 --> 00:18:11,883 about the nature of the flying saucers. 318 00:18:13,678 --> 00:18:17,026 Although the first reports were made by civilians, 319 00:18:17,061 --> 00:18:19,995 it was just a few minutes after one p.m. 320 00:18:20,029 --> 00:18:23,136 that police officer Kenneth A. McDowell, 321 00:18:23,171 --> 00:18:25,725 who was near the Portland Police Station, 322 00:18:25,759 --> 00:18:29,556 noticed that the pigeons began fluttering as if frightened. 323 00:18:29,591 --> 00:18:33,905 Overhead he saw five large disks east of the city. 324 00:18:33,940 --> 00:18:37,185 According to the report he gave to military officers, 325 00:18:37,219 --> 00:18:39,359 three disks were flying east 326 00:18:39,394 --> 00:18:41,810 and two were headed to the south. 327 00:18:41,844 --> 00:18:43,950 All were flying at high speed 328 00:18:43,984 --> 00:18:47,056 and all appeared to be oscillating. 329 00:18:47,091 --> 00:18:51,475 McDowell alerted other police officers in an all-car alert 330 00:18:51,509 --> 00:18:54,098 and they immediately broadcast the information 331 00:18:54,133 --> 00:18:55,755 over the police radio. 332 00:18:57,998 --> 00:19:01,070 Two other police officers, Walter A. Lissy 333 00:19:01,105 --> 00:19:04,522 and Robert Ellis, after hearing the broadcast, 334 00:19:04,557 --> 00:19:06,179 stopped near a park. 335 00:19:06,214 --> 00:19:10,183 Overhead they saw three disks moving at high speed. 336 00:19:10,218 --> 00:19:12,185 Neither heard any sound, 337 00:19:12,220 --> 00:19:15,119 but both did see flashes of brightness 338 00:19:15,154 --> 00:19:17,017 that could've been sunlight reflecting 339 00:19:17,052 --> 00:19:19,296 from a metallic surface. 340 00:19:19,330 --> 00:19:22,609 According to them, the objects moved erratically 341 00:19:22,644 --> 00:19:25,302 and changed their direction of flight. 342 00:19:25,336 --> 00:19:28,443 They were in sight for about 30 seconds. 343 00:19:28,477 --> 00:19:31,756 Both men were veterans of the Second World War 344 00:19:31,791 --> 00:19:34,380 and both were civilian pilots, 345 00:19:34,414 --> 00:19:37,141 which suggested they had some experience 346 00:19:37,176 --> 00:19:41,525 around aviation and aviation assets. 347 00:19:44,355 --> 00:19:48,014 Patrolman Earl Patterson, after hearing the broadcast, 348 00:19:48,048 --> 00:19:51,155 stopped to search for any of the disks. 349 00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:53,847 The broadcast had suggested that the saucers 350 00:19:53,882 --> 00:19:56,056 were coming out of the sun 351 00:19:56,091 --> 00:19:59,819 which meant they were coming from the direction of the sun. 352 00:19:59,853 --> 00:20:02,166 At first, Patterson noticed nothing, 353 00:20:02,201 --> 00:20:03,443 but a few seconds later, 354 00:20:03,478 --> 00:20:06,239 he saw one object coming out the west 355 00:20:06,274 --> 00:20:09,138 and heading towards the southwest. 356 00:20:09,173 --> 00:20:12,141 He said that the craft seemed to be either aluminum 357 00:20:12,176 --> 00:20:16,145 or eggshell white and didn't flash or reflect the sun. 358 00:20:17,561 --> 00:20:20,253 He also said that he didn't think they were airplanes 359 00:20:20,288 --> 00:20:21,910 like so many of the others. 360 00:20:21,944 --> 00:20:26,259 Their flight path was erratic, wobbling and weaving. 361 00:20:26,294 --> 00:20:28,710 Patterson thought they were radio-controlled 362 00:20:28,744 --> 00:20:31,885 rather than having a living pilot onboard. 363 00:20:34,681 --> 00:20:37,097 On the far side of the Columbia River 364 00:20:37,132 --> 00:20:39,341 in nearby Vancouver, Washington, 365 00:20:39,376 --> 00:20:43,414 sheriff's deputies Sergeant John Sullivan, Clarence McKay, 366 00:20:43,449 --> 00:20:47,280 and Fred Krives also heard the alert broadcast 367 00:20:47,315 --> 00:20:50,249 and ran outside to look for themselves. 368 00:20:51,457 --> 00:20:53,631 Over Portland three to five miles away, 369 00:20:53,666 --> 00:20:57,325 they saw 20 to 30 disks that looked to them 370 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,258 like a flight of geese. 371 00:20:59,292 --> 00:21:00,949 They heard a low humming sound 372 00:21:00,983 --> 00:21:04,953 which might or might not have been related to the objects. 373 00:21:08,508 --> 00:21:11,994 Not long after that, three Harvard patrolmen 374 00:21:12,029 --> 00:21:15,204 who had also been monitoring the police radio band 375 00:21:15,239 --> 00:21:20,209 stepped outside, Captain K.A. Prehn, A.T. Austad, 376 00:21:20,900 --> 00:21:22,798 and Patrolman K.C. Hoff, 377 00:21:22,833 --> 00:21:26,906 saw three to six disks traveling at high speed. 378 00:21:26,940 --> 00:21:29,288 They couldn't get a good count on the number 379 00:21:29,322 --> 00:21:32,808 because of the bright flashes surrounding them. 380 00:21:32,843 --> 00:21:34,120 According to witnesses, 381 00:21:34,154 --> 00:21:37,330 the objects looked like huge chrome hubcaps 382 00:21:37,365 --> 00:21:39,436 and oscillated as they flew. 383 00:21:39,470 --> 00:21:42,508 Sometimes the witnesses could see a full disk, 384 00:21:42,542 --> 00:21:45,856 then a half-moon, and then nothing at all. 385 00:21:45,890 --> 00:21:48,376 They did see a plane overhead as well, 386 00:21:48,410 --> 00:21:49,998 but all the witnesses said 387 00:21:50,032 --> 00:21:53,277 that what they were watching was not aircraft. 388 00:21:54,658 --> 00:21:57,488 This would cause Air Force investigations to wonder 389 00:21:57,523 --> 00:22:01,354 if aircraft might be a plausible explanation 390 00:22:01,389 --> 00:22:04,840 for the sightings, despite the suggestion by the witness. 391 00:22:06,255 --> 00:22:09,293 They thought that something the plane's pilot did, 392 00:22:09,328 --> 00:22:12,538 such as tossing shiny disks from the cockpit, 393 00:22:12,572 --> 00:22:14,367 might have caused the confusion. 394 00:22:14,402 --> 00:22:17,439 And later in the day, there was another report 395 00:22:17,474 --> 00:22:18,854 with a similar claim. 396 00:22:21,581 --> 00:22:24,204 The Air Force files contained a report 397 00:22:24,239 --> 00:22:29,002 that a former Air Corps veteran said the object he saw 398 00:22:29,037 --> 00:22:32,627 was unlike any plane he had ever seen. 399 00:22:32,661 --> 00:22:35,215 He thought it appeared radio-controlled 400 00:22:35,250 --> 00:22:37,563 because the disk could change direction 401 00:22:37,597 --> 00:22:40,462 at a 90-degree angle without difficulty. 402 00:22:42,430 --> 00:22:45,812 Another witness suggested that he had seen three objects 403 00:22:45,847 --> 00:22:49,368 fly east across the Willamette River. 404 00:22:49,402 --> 00:22:51,991 The objects did not appear to be very high 405 00:22:52,025 --> 00:22:54,373 but they were traveling very fast. 406 00:22:54,407 --> 00:22:57,134 He said that they looked like a metallic disk 407 00:22:57,168 --> 00:22:58,791 glinting in the sun. 408 00:22:58,825 --> 00:23:01,138 He also said that he and a neighbor 409 00:23:01,172 --> 00:23:04,106 saw a single disk later that afternoon. 410 00:23:06,902 --> 00:23:11,528 About four p.m., more civilians reported more disks. 411 00:23:11,562 --> 00:23:13,530 A woman called the police telling them 412 00:23:13,564 --> 00:23:15,428 she had watched a single object 413 00:23:15,463 --> 00:23:19,708 as shiny as a new dime flipping around. 414 00:23:19,743 --> 00:23:21,676 An unidentified man called to say 415 00:23:21,710 --> 00:23:23,919 that he had seen three disks, 416 00:23:23,954 --> 00:23:27,371 one flying to the east and the two heading north. 417 00:23:27,406 --> 00:23:30,512 They were shining, shaped like flattened saucers, 418 00:23:30,547 --> 00:23:32,480 and were traveling at high speed. 419 00:23:34,827 --> 00:23:36,829 About an hour later, a man said 420 00:23:36,863 --> 00:23:40,039 that he spotted two white or silver objects 421 00:23:40,073 --> 00:23:42,731 flying southeast over Portland. 422 00:23:42,766 --> 00:23:45,941 Half an hour later, he sighted a single disk 423 00:23:45,976 --> 00:23:47,460 headed to the northeast. 424 00:23:49,220 --> 00:23:52,465 In Milwaukee, Oregon, not far from Portland, 425 00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:55,572 Sergeant Claude Cross reported three objects 426 00:23:55,606 --> 00:23:57,263 flying to the north. 427 00:23:57,297 --> 00:24:01,509 All were disk-shaped, all were moving at high speed. 428 00:24:03,062 --> 00:24:07,307 But disks overhead weren't the only things being reported. 429 00:24:07,342 --> 00:24:10,172 There were objects falling from the sky as well. 430 00:24:10,207 --> 00:24:13,348 Near Eugene, Oregon, a railroad cashier said 431 00:24:13,382 --> 00:24:16,489 he saw silver disks being dropped 432 00:24:16,524 --> 00:24:19,216 out of a white plane flying over the city. 433 00:24:20,562 --> 00:24:22,978 A man in Portland recovered a large piece of paper 434 00:24:23,013 --> 00:24:25,671 he had seen fall from a great height. 435 00:24:25,705 --> 00:24:30,434 According to reports, the time that the paper fell coincided 436 00:24:30,469 --> 00:24:32,816 with some of the flying saucer sightings 437 00:24:32,850 --> 00:24:34,990 which might explain some of them. 438 00:24:43,067 --> 00:24:46,174 The best of the sightings, and the one that was labeled 439 00:24:46,208 --> 00:24:49,626 as unidentified, occurred about dusk 440 00:24:49,660 --> 00:24:54,113 as a United Airlines flight crew saw a single disk. 441 00:24:54,147 --> 00:24:57,426 Minutes later, they spotted several others. 442 00:24:57,461 --> 00:25:00,913 Captain E.J. Smith, the captain of the flight, 443 00:25:00,947 --> 00:25:03,467 explained it this way. 444 00:25:03,502 --> 00:25:05,814 - [Man] As our flight number 105 took off 445 00:25:05,849 --> 00:25:09,300 from Boise, Idaho at four p.m. Pacific time, 446 00:25:09,335 --> 00:25:11,199 the tower joshingly warned us 447 00:25:11,233 --> 00:25:14,202 to be on the lookout for flying saucers. 448 00:25:14,236 --> 00:25:17,101 My co-pilot, Ralph Stevens, was in control 449 00:25:17,136 --> 00:25:18,931 shortly after we got into the air. 450 00:25:18,965 --> 00:25:21,727 Suddenly, he switched on the landing lights. 451 00:25:21,761 --> 00:25:23,970 He said he thought he saw an aircraft 452 00:25:24,005 --> 00:25:25,558 approaching us head-on. 453 00:25:25,593 --> 00:25:28,630 I noticed the objects then for the first time. 454 00:25:28,665 --> 00:25:32,082 We saw four or five somethings. 455 00:25:32,116 --> 00:25:35,499 One was larger than the rest, and for the most part, 456 00:25:35,534 --> 00:25:39,296 kept off the right of the other three or four similar 457 00:25:39,330 --> 00:25:41,263 but smaller objects. 458 00:25:41,298 --> 00:25:44,922 Since we were flying northwest,roughly into the sunset, 459 00:25:44,957 --> 00:25:48,167 we saw whatever they were in at least partial light. 460 00:25:48,201 --> 00:25:50,031 We saw them clearly. 461 00:25:50,065 --> 00:25:52,412 We followed them in a northwesterly direction 462 00:25:52,447 --> 00:25:54,345 for about 45 miles. 463 00:25:55,277 --> 00:25:56,451 Then I called the attendant 464 00:25:56,485 --> 00:25:59,005 at the Ontario, Oregon radio tower, 465 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,802 giving an approximate location and course for the objects. 466 00:26:02,837 --> 00:26:06,047 The attendant acknowledged our call, went outside to look, 467 00:26:06,081 --> 00:26:09,602 but was unable to see anything like what we'd described. 468 00:26:09,637 --> 00:26:13,330 Finally the object disappeared in a burst of speed. 469 00:26:13,364 --> 00:26:14,607 We were unable to tell 470 00:26:14,642 --> 00:26:17,955 whether they outsped us or disintegrated. 471 00:26:19,647 --> 00:26:22,581 We were never able to catch them in our DC-3. 472 00:26:22,615 --> 00:26:26,723 Our airspeed at the time was 185 miles per hour. 473 00:26:26,757 --> 00:26:30,623 Through the Boise air tower,we radioed another United plane 474 00:26:30,658 --> 00:26:32,729 to see if it had seen anything. 475 00:26:32,763 --> 00:26:35,939 That plane flying eastbound into the night 476 00:26:35,973 --> 00:26:37,561 had not sighted them. 477 00:26:37,596 --> 00:26:39,321 Because we were following the objects 478 00:26:39,356 --> 00:26:41,254 at roughly the same altitude, 479 00:26:41,289 --> 00:26:43,360 we can't say anything about their shape 480 00:26:43,394 --> 00:26:47,191 except they were thin and were smooth on the bottom 481 00:26:47,226 --> 00:26:49,366 and rough-appearing on the top. 482 00:26:51,713 --> 00:26:54,233 [eerie music] 483 00:27:00,342 --> 00:27:02,448 - [Narrator] Smith called the flight attendant, 484 00:27:02,482 --> 00:27:06,417 Marty Morrow, to the cockpit to, in Smith's words, 485 00:27:06,452 --> 00:27:09,628 verify they were actually seeing the disks. 486 00:27:09,662 --> 00:27:12,665 He saw four or more disks, three clustered together 487 00:27:12,700 --> 00:27:16,048 and a fourth flying off in the distance by itself. 488 00:27:16,082 --> 00:27:19,465 The objects were in sight for 10 to 15 minutes 489 00:27:19,499 --> 00:27:22,986 which means that she was able to get a good look at them. 490 00:27:25,367 --> 00:27:26,990 Not everyone was convinced 491 00:27:27,024 --> 00:27:30,165 that the sightings were of unconventional aircraft. 492 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,029 Colonel G.R. Dodson, 493 00:27:32,064 --> 00:27:34,998 a commander in the Oregon National Guard, 494 00:27:35,032 --> 00:27:38,484 told reporters that he had made an inspection of the area 495 00:27:38,518 --> 00:27:42,591 from the air but that he had found nothing suspicious. 496 00:27:44,007 --> 00:27:46,906 Solutions were offered by some of the local residents. 497 00:27:46,941 --> 00:27:49,115 One thought that the sightings were the result 498 00:27:49,150 --> 00:27:52,947 of cottonwood blossoms drifting on the wind. 499 00:27:52,981 --> 00:27:55,363 Another complained about the news coverage, 500 00:27:55,397 --> 00:27:57,917 believing it all to be a hoax. 501 00:27:57,952 --> 00:28:00,644 He said that he had seen an airplane fly over 502 00:28:00,679 --> 00:28:03,164 and about a minute later he saw what he believed 503 00:28:03,198 --> 00:28:05,545 to be bits of aluminum foil 504 00:28:05,580 --> 00:28:07,962 that might have been cigarette wrappers. 505 00:28:09,411 --> 00:28:12,449 Air Force officers mentioned that radar chaff had been seen 506 00:28:12,483 --> 00:28:15,935 in the area but offered no evidence to back up the claim. 507 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,732 The idea that a private plane pilot 508 00:28:19,767 --> 00:28:24,150 was dropping small silver diskstook on greater importance. 509 00:28:28,465 --> 00:28:32,400 In the only news story that might have been of importance, 510 00:28:32,434 --> 00:28:36,266 the Oregon Journal noted that the only known airplanes 511 00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:39,269 in the area at the time of the reports 512 00:28:39,303 --> 00:28:43,480 were 23 B-29 bombers near Astoria. 513 00:28:44,688 --> 00:28:47,346 A formation of that size would've been difficult 514 00:28:47,380 --> 00:28:49,935 to misidentify, not to mention that the roar 515 00:28:49,969 --> 00:28:51,764 that the engines would've caused. 516 00:28:53,697 --> 00:28:57,459 Dr. James McDonald, an atmospheric scientist, 517 00:28:57,494 --> 00:29:00,635 interviewed Smith, the United Airlines captain, 518 00:29:00,669 --> 00:29:02,326 about his sighting. 519 00:29:02,361 --> 00:29:04,984 In a prepared statement to United States 520 00:29:05,019 --> 00:29:07,090 House of Representatives Committee 521 00:29:07,124 --> 00:29:10,093 on Science and Astronomics' Symposium 522 00:29:10,127 --> 00:29:12,440 of the Unidentified Flying Objects 523 00:29:12,474 --> 00:29:16,893 in July, 1968, McDonald reported-- 524 00:29:16,927 --> 00:29:18,342 - [Man] Smith emphasized to me 525 00:29:18,377 --> 00:29:20,759 that there were no cloud phenomena to confuse them here 526 00:29:20,793 --> 00:29:22,726 and that they observed these objects long enough 527 00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:25,798 to be quite certain that they were no conventional aircraft. 528 00:29:25,833 --> 00:29:28,836 They appeared flat on the bottom, rounded on the top, 529 00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:31,079 he told me, and he added that there seems to be 530 00:29:31,114 --> 00:29:34,324 a perceptible roughness of some sort on top, 531 00:29:34,358 --> 00:29:36,498 though he could not refine the description. 532 00:29:36,533 --> 00:29:39,087 Almost immediately after they lost sight of the first five, 533 00:29:39,122 --> 00:29:41,262 a second formation of four, 534 00:29:41,296 --> 00:29:43,678 three in a line and a fourth off to the side, 535 00:29:43,712 --> 00:29:45,335 moved in ahead of their position, 536 00:29:45,369 --> 00:29:48,165 again traveling westward but at a somewhat higher altitude 537 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,823 than the DC-3's 8,000 feet. 538 00:29:50,858 --> 00:29:53,101 These passed quickly out of sight to the west at speeds 539 00:29:53,136 --> 00:29:56,173 which they felt were far beyond then known speeds. 540 00:29:56,208 --> 00:29:58,589 Smith emphasized that they were never certain of sizes 541 00:29:58,624 --> 00:30:01,213 and distances but that they had the general impression 542 00:30:01,247 --> 00:30:04,250 that these disk-like craft were appreciably larger 543 00:30:04,285 --> 00:30:05,976 than ordinary aircraft. 544 00:30:06,011 --> 00:30:08,565 Smith emphasized that he had not taken seriously 545 00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:10,084 the previous week's news accounts 546 00:30:10,118 --> 00:30:13,673 that coined the since persistent term flying saucer 547 00:30:13,708 --> 00:30:15,123 but after seeing this total 548 00:30:15,158 --> 00:30:17,850 of nine unconventional high-speed wingless craft 549 00:30:17,885 --> 00:30:20,715 on the evening of July 4th, 1947, 550 00:30:20,749 --> 00:30:23,028 he became much more interested in the matter. 551 00:30:23,062 --> 00:30:24,788 Nevertheless, in talking with me, 552 00:30:24,823 --> 00:30:26,341 he stressed that he would not speculate 553 00:30:26,376 --> 00:30:28,033 on their real nature or origin. 554 00:30:32,071 --> 00:30:34,246 - [Narrator] These reports were investigated 555 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,696 by Army officers at the time, 556 00:30:36,731 --> 00:30:39,838 though the reports seemed to be fairly superficial. 557 00:30:39,872 --> 00:30:42,910 That is, there were objects seen high in the sky 558 00:30:42,944 --> 00:30:45,257 for seconds or a minute or two. 559 00:30:45,291 --> 00:30:48,260 As part of the Project Grudge final report 560 00:30:48,294 --> 00:30:52,781 written in 1949, one of the officers wrote, 561 00:30:52,816 --> 00:30:57,338 "This investigation can offer no definitive hypothesis 562 00:30:57,372 --> 00:31:00,513 "but in passing, would like to note the incidents occurred 563 00:31:00,548 --> 00:31:04,724 "on the 4th of July and that if relatively small pieces 564 00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:06,865 "of aluminum foil had been dropped 565 00:31:06,899 --> 00:31:08,832 "from a plane over the area, 566 00:31:08,867 --> 00:31:11,283 "then any one object would be visible 567 00:31:11,317 --> 00:31:13,768 "at a relatively short distance. 568 00:31:13,802 --> 00:31:16,909 "Even moderate wind velocities would give the illusion 569 00:31:16,944 --> 00:31:20,119 "that fluttering gyrating disks had gone by 570 00:31:20,154 --> 00:31:22,156 "at great velocities. 571 00:31:22,190 --> 00:31:24,917 "Various observers would not, of course, 572 00:31:24,952 --> 00:31:28,127 "in this case, have seen the same objects." 573 00:31:29,542 --> 00:31:33,063 The officer also noted thatthe above is not to be regarded 574 00:31:33,098 --> 00:31:38,103 as a very likely explanation, but only as a possibility. 575 00:31:39,276 --> 00:31:41,175 The occurrence on these incidents on July 4th 576 00:31:41,209 --> 00:31:43,867 may have been more than coincidence. 577 00:31:43,902 --> 00:31:46,801 Some prankster might have tossed such objects 578 00:31:46,835 --> 00:31:48,596 out of an airplane as part 579 00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:50,943 of an Independence Day celebration. 580 00:31:52,841 --> 00:31:54,843 The thing that the Air Force did here 581 00:31:54,878 --> 00:31:57,846 was link the case by date and location 582 00:31:57,881 --> 00:32:02,161 but didn't think of them as a continuation of one sighting. 583 00:32:02,196 --> 00:32:05,440 Once a police officer had alerted his fellow officers 584 00:32:05,475 --> 00:32:08,892 to the object, they, in different locations 585 00:32:08,927 --> 00:32:12,309 and at different times, went outside or looked up 586 00:32:12,344 --> 00:32:14,553 and were able to spot them. 587 00:32:14,587 --> 00:32:17,349 The descriptions are of a similar type, 588 00:32:17,383 --> 00:32:21,974 dish-shaped object flying alone or in formations. 589 00:32:22,009 --> 00:32:24,183 That they were seeing the same thing 590 00:32:24,218 --> 00:32:27,221 from different locations suggested something 591 00:32:27,255 --> 00:32:30,120 that was very high or that there was more 592 00:32:30,155 --> 00:32:31,673 than one formation. 593 00:32:34,435 --> 00:32:37,645 The thing to be remembered thateven if the police officers 594 00:32:37,679 --> 00:32:40,751 in the one location were fooled by something, 595 00:32:40,786 --> 00:32:44,134 those officers observing it from a different perspective 596 00:32:44,169 --> 00:32:46,723 might have been able to identify it 597 00:32:46,757 --> 00:32:49,864 if there was a terrestrial explanation. 598 00:32:49,898 --> 00:32:53,316 Since that didn't happen, it would seem 599 00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:58,010 that there was something very strange going on here. 600 00:32:58,045 --> 00:33:01,945 Add to this the sighting by Smith and his airline crew 601 00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:04,844 which we can do because they observed the craft 602 00:33:04,879 --> 00:33:08,572 on the same day and in the same general location. 603 00:33:08,607 --> 00:33:11,713 We have a new dimension to the case. 604 00:33:11,748 --> 00:33:14,993 Smith's report was labeled unidentified, 605 00:33:15,027 --> 00:33:17,650 meaning that he and his crew were able 606 00:33:17,685 --> 00:33:20,722 to give a detailed description of what they had seen. 607 00:33:22,172 --> 00:33:24,657 We have to wonder if that was because they were met 608 00:33:24,692 --> 00:33:26,935 by reporters when he landed. 609 00:33:26,970 --> 00:33:30,318 Had his report not received the attention it did 610 00:33:30,353 --> 00:33:33,459 and had he not provided the detail he did, 611 00:33:33,494 --> 00:33:37,256 might it have ended up with only a little information 612 00:33:37,291 --> 00:33:41,778 and a label of insufficient data for scientific analysis? 613 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,885 Army Air Force's investigation 614 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,304 which took the reportseriously in the summer of 1947 615 00:33:50,338 --> 00:33:53,652 failed to find a satisfactory explanation 616 00:33:53,686 --> 00:33:55,619 for these sightings. 617 00:33:55,654 --> 00:33:58,174 It should be remembered that in this case, 618 00:33:58,208 --> 00:34:01,453 there was nothing other than witness testimony, 619 00:34:01,487 --> 00:34:04,249 witnesses who were separated by distance 620 00:34:04,283 --> 00:34:07,355 but who, in some cases, had been warned 621 00:34:07,390 --> 00:34:11,083 about the flying saucers by the police radio 622 00:34:11,118 --> 00:34:16,054 and who had claimed to have seen basically the same thing. 623 00:34:16,951 --> 00:34:18,401 These sightings are interesting 624 00:34:18,435 --> 00:34:21,749 and we have to wonder what more might have been learned 625 00:34:21,783 --> 00:34:24,131 had a little more effort been made 626 00:34:24,165 --> 00:34:25,753 in the investigation of them. 627 00:34:31,138 --> 00:34:34,348 Although it has been said there is a single case 628 00:34:34,382 --> 00:34:38,006 in the Blue Book files in which alien creatures 629 00:34:38,041 --> 00:34:40,250 were reported that wasn't labeled 630 00:34:40,285 --> 00:34:43,150 as some sort of psychological program, 631 00:34:43,184 --> 00:34:46,739 there are several good cases hidden in there. 632 00:34:46,774 --> 00:34:50,536 Skeptics, disbelievers, and debunkers like to say 633 00:34:50,571 --> 00:34:52,159 that there is no evidence 634 00:34:52,193 --> 00:34:55,610 that alien creatures have visited the planet. 635 00:34:55,645 --> 00:34:59,614 They ignore, reject, or are unaware 636 00:34:59,649 --> 00:35:03,342 that the Blue Book files do contain examples 637 00:35:03,377 --> 00:35:06,690 of physical evidence that has been recovered. 638 00:35:06,725 --> 00:35:11,039 The best of those cases came from Socorro, New Mexico, 639 00:35:11,074 --> 00:35:14,181 on April 24th, 1964. 640 00:35:16,114 --> 00:35:19,841 Lonnie Zamora, then a police officer in Socorro, 641 00:35:19,876 --> 00:35:21,843 saw a landed object 642 00:35:21,878 --> 00:35:26,020 and two small humanoids standing near it. 643 00:35:26,054 --> 00:35:30,093 According to Project Blue Book,Zamora was chasing a speeder 644 00:35:30,128 --> 00:35:33,855 when he heard a loud roar and saw a flash of light 645 00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:36,064 in the southwestern sky. 646 00:35:36,099 --> 00:35:39,171 Fearing that a dynamite shed on the edge of town 647 00:35:39,206 --> 00:35:42,795 might have exploded, Zamora broke off the chase 648 00:35:42,830 --> 00:35:45,557 and headed in that direction. 649 00:35:45,591 --> 00:35:49,630 Captain Hector Quintanilla added more detail to the story 650 00:35:49,664 --> 00:35:54,531 as it was told by Zamora duringthe official investigation. 651 00:35:54,566 --> 00:35:56,533 Quintanilla later wrote-- 652 00:35:56,568 --> 00:35:59,743 - [Man] It was off the road to the left in the arroyo, 653 00:35:59,778 --> 00:36:02,988 and at first glance it looked like a car turned over, 654 00:36:03,022 --> 00:36:07,026 but when he drove closer it appeared to be aluminum clay, 655 00:36:07,061 --> 00:36:11,030 not chrome, and oval-shaped like a football. 656 00:36:11,065 --> 00:36:14,551 Zamora drove about 50 feet along the hill crest, 657 00:36:14,586 --> 00:36:16,829 radioing back to the sheriff's office, 658 00:36:16,864 --> 00:36:21,489 "10-44," meaning accident, "I'll be 10-6," 659 00:36:21,524 --> 00:36:23,422 meaning busy, out of the car, 660 00:36:23,457 --> 00:36:27,357 "Checking a wreck down in the arroyo," Zamora said. 661 00:36:27,392 --> 00:36:29,635 From this point, seated in the car, 662 00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:33,467 he could not see the object over the edge of the hill. 663 00:36:33,501 --> 00:36:36,884 As he stopped the car, he was still talking on the radio, 664 00:36:36,918 --> 00:36:40,059 and while he was getting out he dropped his mic. 665 00:36:40,094 --> 00:36:41,889 He picked it up and put it back 666 00:36:41,923 --> 00:36:44,650 and started down towards the object. 667 00:36:44,685 --> 00:36:49,690 Zamora then said, "As soon as I saw flames and heard roar, 668 00:36:51,070 --> 00:36:54,315 "ran away from object but did turn, head towards object. 669 00:36:54,350 --> 00:36:56,214 "Object was in shape. 670 00:36:56,248 --> 00:36:59,251 "It was smooth, no windows or doors. 671 00:36:59,286 --> 00:37:02,703 "As roar started, it was still on the ground. 672 00:37:02,737 --> 00:37:06,569 [dramatic music] [choir singing menacingly] 673 00:37:06,603 --> 00:37:08,502 - Quintanilla said, "I was determined 674 00:37:08,536 --> 00:37:11,436 "to solve the case, and come hell or high water, 675 00:37:11,470 --> 00:37:15,336 "I was going to find the vehicle or the stimulus. 676 00:37:15,371 --> 00:37:17,821 "I decided that it was imperative for me to talk 677 00:37:17,856 --> 00:37:20,652 "to the base commander at Holloman Air Force Base. 678 00:37:20,686 --> 00:37:23,448 "I wanted to interview the base commander at length 679 00:37:23,482 --> 00:37:26,727 "about special activities from his base. 680 00:37:26,761 --> 00:37:28,901 "I needed help to pull this off 681 00:37:28,936 --> 00:37:33,251 "so I called Lieutenant Colonel Maston Jacks at SAFOI. 682 00:37:34,597 --> 00:37:37,703 "I told him what I wanted to do and he asks, 683 00:37:37,738 --> 00:37:39,809 "'Do you think it will do any good?' 684 00:37:39,843 --> 00:37:43,261 "I replied, 'Goddammit Maston, if there is an answer 685 00:37:43,295 --> 00:37:48,127 "'to this case, it has to be in some hanger at Holloman.'" 686 00:37:48,162 --> 00:37:50,923 He went to work with his position at the Pentagon 687 00:37:50,958 --> 00:37:53,926 and the approval for his visit came through. 688 00:37:53,961 --> 00:37:57,896 Colonel Garman was the base commander during his visit. 689 00:37:57,930 --> 00:38:00,485 "He was most cooperative and told me 690 00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:03,660 "that I could go anywhere and visit any activity 691 00:38:03,695 --> 00:38:05,213 "which interested me. 692 00:38:05,248 --> 00:38:07,664 "I went from one end of the base to the other. 693 00:38:07,699 --> 00:38:11,323 "I spent four days talking to everybody I could 694 00:38:11,358 --> 00:38:13,498 "and spent almost a whole day 695 00:38:13,532 --> 00:38:15,569 "with the down-range controllers 696 00:38:15,603 --> 00:38:17,950 "at the White Sands Missile Range. 697 00:38:17,985 --> 00:38:21,851 "I left Holloman dejected and convinced that the answer 698 00:38:21,885 --> 00:38:25,268 "to Zamora's experience did not originate 699 00:38:25,303 --> 00:38:27,753 "and terminate at this base. 700 00:38:30,066 --> 00:38:33,690 "On my way back to Wright-Patterson, I hit upon an idea. 701 00:38:33,725 --> 00:38:36,383 "Why not a lunar landing vehicle? 702 00:38:36,417 --> 00:38:39,731 "I knew that some research had been done at Wright-Patterson 703 00:38:39,765 --> 00:38:43,493 "so as soon as I got back I asked for some briefings. 704 00:38:43,528 --> 00:38:45,909 "The briefings were extremely informative, 705 00:38:45,944 --> 00:38:49,327 "but the Lunar Landers were not operational 706 00:38:49,361 --> 00:38:51,881 "in April of 1964. 707 00:38:51,915 --> 00:38:54,780 "I got the names of the companies that were doing research 708 00:38:54,815 --> 00:38:57,921 "in this field and I started writing letters. 709 00:38:57,956 --> 00:39:00,268 "The companies were most cooperative, 710 00:39:00,303 --> 00:39:02,926 "but their answers were all negative. 711 00:39:04,238 --> 00:39:07,931 "I labeled the case unidentified and the UFO buffs 712 00:39:07,966 --> 00:39:11,349 "and hobby clubs had themselves a field day. 713 00:39:11,383 --> 00:39:13,868 "According to them, there was proof 714 00:39:13,903 --> 00:39:16,492 "that our beloved planet had been visited 715 00:39:16,526 --> 00:39:19,149 "by an extraterrestrial vehicle. 716 00:39:19,184 --> 00:39:21,876 "Although I labeled the case unidentified, 717 00:39:21,911 --> 00:39:26,122 "I've never been satisfied with that classification." 718 00:39:27,434 --> 00:39:30,954 [smooth electronic music] 719 00:39:36,339 --> 00:39:38,583 It has been claimed that the only case 720 00:39:38,617 --> 00:39:41,620 involving occupants, creatures associated 721 00:39:41,655 --> 00:39:45,866 with a landed UFO that was labeled as unidentified, 722 00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:48,834 was that from Socorro, New Mexico. 723 00:39:48,869 --> 00:39:52,355 Although somewhat hidden in the Project Blue Book files, 724 00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:56,255 there is another that took place almost two years later. 725 00:39:57,636 --> 00:40:01,295 Hynek mentioned it in his book, "The Hynek UFO Report", 726 00:40:01,329 --> 00:40:03,159 but he doesn't give a location 727 00:40:03,193 --> 00:40:05,713 and he dates it with a newspaper clipping 728 00:40:05,748 --> 00:40:08,440 from the "Dallas Times Herald". 729 00:40:08,475 --> 00:40:10,304 Although Hynek suggests the case 730 00:40:10,338 --> 00:40:13,445 is from the Wichita Falls, Texas, area 731 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:18,070 and the witness, W.E. Laxson, was a civilian employee 732 00:40:18,105 --> 00:40:21,419 at Sheppard Air Force Base in Wichita Falls, 733 00:40:21,453 --> 00:40:26,354 the government files list the case as Temple, Oklahoma. 734 00:40:26,389 --> 00:40:28,978 The newspaper clipping cited by Hynek 735 00:40:29,012 --> 00:40:32,947 is dated March 27th, 1966, 736 00:40:32,982 --> 00:40:37,124 but the sighting occurred on March 23rd, 1966. 737 00:40:37,158 --> 00:40:40,438 With the misdirection from Hynek probably as a result 738 00:40:40,472 --> 00:40:43,889 of the classified nature of thecase when he wrote his book, 739 00:40:43,924 --> 00:40:46,547 it took a while to deduce the facts. 740 00:40:47,893 --> 00:40:50,068 Hynek, using the newspaper account, 741 00:40:50,102 --> 00:40:52,588 said there was nothing in it that varied 742 00:40:52,622 --> 00:40:55,591 from what was in the government file. 743 00:40:55,625 --> 00:41:00,527 That file said, "Observer W.E. Eddie Laxson 744 00:41:00,561 --> 00:41:03,012 "was driving his car along the highway 745 00:41:03,046 --> 00:41:07,982 "at approximately 5:05 a.m. on the 23rd of March, 1966, 746 00:41:08,983 --> 00:41:10,640 "when he noticed an object parked 747 00:41:10,675 --> 00:41:12,366 "on the road in front of him. 748 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,023 "He stopped the car and got out 749 00:41:14,057 --> 00:41:16,784 "so to get a better view of the object. 750 00:41:16,819 --> 00:41:20,132 "The object was so parked that it blocked out a portion 751 00:41:20,167 --> 00:41:22,238 "of the road curb sign. 752 00:41:22,272 --> 00:41:25,448 "There were no sharp edges noticed by the observer. 753 00:41:25,483 --> 00:41:28,486 "The object had the appearance of a conventional aircraft, 754 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,868 "a C-124, without wings or motors. 755 00:41:31,903 --> 00:41:34,250 "There was a Plexiglas bubble on top 756 00:41:34,284 --> 00:41:36,977 "similar to a B-26 canopy. 757 00:41:38,219 --> 00:41:39,876 "As the observer approached, 758 00:41:39,911 --> 00:41:43,501 "he noticed a man wearing a baseball cap enter the object 759 00:41:43,535 --> 00:41:45,606 "by steps from the bottom. 760 00:41:45,641 --> 00:41:47,435 "After the man entered the object, 761 00:41:47,470 --> 00:41:49,437 "it began to rise from the pavement 762 00:41:49,472 --> 00:41:52,233 "and headed on a southeasterly direction 763 00:41:52,268 --> 00:41:56,134 "at approximately 720 miles per hour. 764 00:41:56,168 --> 00:41:58,377 "The object had forward and aft lights 765 00:41:58,412 --> 00:41:59,758 "that were very bright. 766 00:42:00,932 --> 00:42:03,141 "As the object rose from the ground, 767 00:42:03,175 --> 00:42:06,903 "a high-speed drill type of sound was heard 768 00:42:06,938 --> 00:42:09,941 "plus a sound like that of a welding rod 769 00:42:09,975 --> 00:42:11,459 "when an arc is struck. 770 00:42:12,771 --> 00:42:14,877 "The object was 75 feet long, 771 00:42:14,911 --> 00:42:17,811 "about eight feet from the top to the bottom, 772 00:42:17,845 --> 00:42:20,158 "and about 12 feet wide. 773 00:42:20,192 --> 00:42:21,987 "There was some type of supports 774 00:42:22,022 --> 00:42:23,920 "on the bottom of the object. 775 00:42:23,955 --> 00:42:25,577 "After the object disappeared, 776 00:42:25,612 --> 00:42:27,821 "the witness got back into his car 777 00:42:27,855 --> 00:42:31,790 "and drove approximately 15 miles down the highway. 778 00:42:31,825 --> 00:42:34,275 "At this time, the original witness stopped 779 00:42:34,310 --> 00:42:36,312 "and talked with another individual 780 00:42:36,346 --> 00:42:39,108 "who had also stopped along the roadway 781 00:42:39,142 --> 00:42:41,869 "to watch some lights over Red River 782 00:42:41,904 --> 00:42:45,873 "which is approximately five or six miles to the southeast. 783 00:42:47,081 --> 00:42:49,601 "Various organizations were contacted 784 00:42:49,636 --> 00:42:51,879 "around the Temple, Oklahoma area 785 00:42:51,914 --> 00:42:56,228 "for a possible experimental or conventional aircraft. 786 00:42:56,263 --> 00:42:58,610 "The observer stated that he thought the object 787 00:42:58,645 --> 00:43:02,614 "was some type of Army or Air Force research aircraft. 788 00:43:04,064 --> 00:43:07,481 "All attempts at such an explanation proved fruitless 789 00:43:07,515 --> 00:43:09,621 "since there were no aircraft in the area 790 00:43:09,656 --> 00:43:11,554 "at the time of the sightings. 791 00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:13,832 "Although there are numerous helicopter 792 00:43:13,867 --> 00:43:16,594 "and other experimentals in the area, 793 00:43:16,628 --> 00:43:19,527 "none could be put in the area of Temple 794 00:43:19,562 --> 00:43:24,567 "at approximately five o'clock on the 23rd of March, 1966. 795 00:43:25,672 --> 00:43:27,846 "Because of this factor, the case is listed 796 00:43:27,881 --> 00:43:30,918 "as unidentified by the Air Force." 797 00:43:34,128 --> 00:43:37,442 The second witness who was not interviewed by the Air Force 798 00:43:37,476 --> 00:43:41,032 and who, according to the government file, did not fill out 799 00:43:41,066 --> 00:43:45,830 their long and involved form, was C.W. Anderson. 800 00:43:45,864 --> 00:43:48,246 Anderson confirmed for the newspaper 801 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,007 that he had seen the craft as well. 802 00:43:51,042 --> 00:43:54,459 He told the reporter, "I know that people will say 803 00:43:54,493 --> 00:43:57,876 "that Laxson is durned crazy, but that's what I say." 804 00:43:58,981 --> 00:44:00,430 Anderson said that he thought 805 00:44:00,465 --> 00:44:03,364 the object had been following him down the road. 806 00:44:03,399 --> 00:44:07,403 He had watched it in his rear view mirror for several miles. 807 00:44:07,437 --> 00:44:09,163 The problem for the Air Force 808 00:44:09,198 --> 00:44:12,339 was that Anderson did not complete their form. 809 00:44:12,373 --> 00:44:14,962 He didn't see the pilot or crewmen either. 810 00:44:16,377 --> 00:44:19,829 The drawing of the object made by Laxson resembled that 811 00:44:19,864 --> 00:44:23,557 which Lonnie Zamora had made of the craft he had saw, 812 00:44:23,591 --> 00:44:26,594 which means it was sort of egg-shaped. 813 00:44:26,629 --> 00:44:30,460 It was certainly longer and was lying on its side. 814 00:44:30,495 --> 00:44:34,879 Like Zamora, Laxson said that he saw symbols on the object, 815 00:44:34,913 --> 00:44:38,054 but unlike Zamora, he recognized them. 816 00:44:38,089 --> 00:44:41,230 He told the reporter that, "On the side, 817 00:44:41,264 --> 00:44:46,166 "I made out T-L-A, with the last two figures 38." 818 00:44:47,546 --> 00:44:50,722 In what might be described as a fit of honesty, 819 00:44:50,757 --> 00:44:54,933 the Air Force admitted they had no solution for the case. 820 00:44:54,968 --> 00:44:59,731 The description of the alien was more human than humanoid 821 00:44:59,766 --> 00:45:02,769 and he seemed to be dressed in conventional clothing, 822 00:45:02,803 --> 00:45:04,874 right to the mechanic's hat. 823 00:45:05,944 --> 00:45:08,636 Investigations revealed a second witness 824 00:45:08,671 --> 00:45:11,294 and that might have influenced the Air Force, 825 00:45:11,329 --> 00:45:14,056 especially since the men had never met 826 00:45:14,090 --> 00:45:15,954 prior to the sighting. 827 00:45:15,989 --> 00:45:20,062 In the end, they labeled the case as unidentified. 828 00:45:28,795 --> 00:45:32,177 [tense electronic music] 829 00:45:34,076 --> 00:45:36,492 In a review of government records, 830 00:45:36,526 --> 00:45:41,531 another case, also labeled as unidentified, was found. 831 00:45:42,705 --> 00:45:44,500 This one took place in Pittsburg, Kansas. 832 00:45:44,534 --> 00:45:49,022 The case is a single witness and has gone nearly unreported 833 00:45:49,056 --> 00:45:50,920 for more than 60 years. 834 00:45:52,888 --> 00:45:55,407 William Squires was on his way to work 835 00:45:55,442 --> 00:45:59,170 along Highway 160 about eight miles from Pittsburg 836 00:45:59,204 --> 00:46:03,588 when he sighted an unknown object hovering over a field. 837 00:46:03,622 --> 00:46:08,179 It was about 27 feet in length at about 12 feet high. 838 00:46:08,213 --> 00:46:11,596 Squires thought it had the appearance of an airfoil. 839 00:46:11,630 --> 00:46:15,013 He said that he saw smallpropellors around the perimeter. 840 00:46:15,048 --> 00:46:17,257 They were about a foot in diameter. 841 00:46:17,291 --> 00:46:20,018 There were also a number of windows in the craft 842 00:46:20,053 --> 00:46:22,883 and through one of them, Squires could see a man 843 00:46:22,918 --> 00:46:25,403 who seemed to be controlling the object. 844 00:46:25,437 --> 00:46:28,958 He was facing forward to the edge of the object. 845 00:46:28,993 --> 00:46:31,340 The windows were described as blue, 846 00:46:31,374 --> 00:46:34,205 becoming darker as time passed. 847 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,345 This seems to be the type of sighting 848 00:46:36,379 --> 00:46:39,520 the Air Force would dismiss as psychological, 849 00:46:39,555 --> 00:46:42,592 which would be a nice way of saying that it was a hoax 850 00:46:42,627 --> 00:46:45,216 and there was something wrong with the witness. 851 00:46:45,250 --> 00:46:48,702 However, there was some physical evidence left behind 852 00:46:48,736 --> 00:46:50,393 according to the government file. 853 00:46:51,774 --> 00:46:54,950 The object reported as hovering over an open field 854 00:46:54,984 --> 00:46:56,814 used for cattle grazing, 855 00:46:56,848 --> 00:47:00,265 general area under the exact location was pressed down 856 00:47:00,300 --> 00:47:03,855 and formed a round 60-foot-diameter impression 857 00:47:03,890 --> 00:47:07,963 with the grass in arecognizable concentric pattern. 858 00:47:07,997 --> 00:47:10,897 Loose grass lay on top of the impression 859 00:47:10,931 --> 00:47:13,209 as if drawn in by suction 860 00:47:13,244 --> 00:47:16,903 when the object ascended vertically at a high speed. 861 00:47:16,937 --> 00:47:19,526 Vegetation and grass approximately three 862 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:20,976 to four inches high. 863 00:47:21,010 --> 00:47:23,944 Area was extremely dry at present. 864 00:47:23,979 --> 00:47:26,878 Grass showed where Squires had walked in 865 00:47:26,913 --> 00:47:29,053 to a fence and stopped. 866 00:47:29,087 --> 00:47:34,092 L.V. Baxter and D. Whitener, local employees of KOMA, 867 00:47:35,231 --> 00:47:38,407 went to the place of the sighting, 11:35 CST, 868 00:47:38,441 --> 00:47:42,514 with Squires and confirmed his path to the fence 869 00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:46,794 and the 60-foot-diameter impression in the tall grass. 870 00:47:46,829 --> 00:47:50,281 Robert E. Greens visited the site at 1600 871 00:47:50,315 --> 00:47:53,491 on the 25th of August of 1952, 872 00:47:53,525 --> 00:47:57,460 with source and reports that the vegetation was laid down 873 00:47:57,495 --> 00:48:01,982 in concentric circles but with the impression less distinct 874 00:48:02,017 --> 00:48:05,606 than reported by Whitener and Baxter. 875 00:48:05,641 --> 00:48:08,161 Green obtained grass and soil samples 876 00:48:08,195 --> 00:48:11,233 at the immediate area where the impression was made 877 00:48:11,267 --> 00:48:13,752 and also gathered control samples 878 00:48:13,787 --> 00:48:16,859 200 yards removed from the site. 879 00:48:16,894 --> 00:48:20,173 He is sending some to the Air Technical Intelligence Center, 880 00:48:20,207 --> 00:48:22,175 airmail, special delivery. 881 00:48:23,728 --> 00:48:26,489 What is strange about this case is the fact 882 00:48:26,524 --> 00:48:28,698 that there seemed to be little interest 883 00:48:28,733 --> 00:48:31,080 in the pilot of the craft. 884 00:48:31,115 --> 00:48:34,256 Although there is another point where he was discussed, 885 00:48:34,290 --> 00:48:37,362 there's no real addition to the information. 886 00:48:37,397 --> 00:48:41,884 Clearly, based on these descriptions, that alien was human, 887 00:48:41,919 --> 00:48:46,268 or human enough to beindistinguishable from a human. 888 00:48:46,302 --> 00:48:49,685 Squires did suggest that the occupant seemed to be frenzied 889 00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,067 in his activities inside the craft. 890 00:48:53,447 --> 00:48:56,830 Although this case is essentially single-witness, 891 00:48:56,864 --> 00:49:00,385 there was the physical evidence left by the craft. 892 00:49:00,420 --> 00:49:04,942 Others, Baxter, Whitener, and Green, did see the impressions 893 00:49:04,976 --> 00:49:07,875 in the ground left by the craft. 894 00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:10,637 Eventually this sort of evidence would become known 895 00:49:10,671 --> 00:49:13,709 as a saucer nest, meaning simply 896 00:49:13,743 --> 00:49:18,576 that the crushed vegetation left by a UFO on the ground 897 00:49:18,610 --> 00:49:22,787 had somewhat similar features to other parts of the country 898 00:49:22,821 --> 00:49:24,996 and other parts of the world. 899 00:49:25,031 --> 00:49:28,586 The ultimate description would be of a crop circle. 900 00:49:29,759 --> 00:49:32,314 Here, rather than an elaborate design, 901 00:49:32,348 --> 00:49:36,559 it was a simple circle of crushed or flattened grass. 902 00:49:36,594 --> 00:49:38,389 The soil samples taken by Green 903 00:49:38,423 --> 00:49:40,529 were analyzed by the Air Force. 904 00:49:40,563 --> 00:49:43,463 In a short report of a single paragraph, 905 00:49:43,497 --> 00:49:46,638 the technician said they had found no radiation, 906 00:49:46,673 --> 00:49:49,641 burning, or stress of any kind. 907 00:49:49,676 --> 00:49:52,127 In other words, there was nothing to the sample 908 00:49:52,161 --> 00:49:55,440 to distinguish those taken from the landing area 909 00:49:55,475 --> 00:49:58,305 or from those taken 200 yards away. 910 00:49:59,651 --> 00:50:01,964 There's one final aspect to the case 911 00:50:01,999 --> 00:50:04,311 that is mildly interesting. 912 00:50:04,346 --> 00:50:07,211 In a couple of the letters from the government files, 913 00:50:07,245 --> 00:50:11,732 there is a notation that reminds all of paragraph seven 914 00:50:11,767 --> 00:50:14,149 which is a paragraph in the regulations 915 00:50:14,183 --> 00:50:19,016 that requires unidentified cases be classified. 916 00:50:19,050 --> 00:50:21,466 Those who have information about the case 917 00:50:21,501 --> 00:50:23,744 are not allowed to discuss it with those 918 00:50:23,779 --> 00:50:27,196 who do not have the proper clearances. 919 00:50:28,646 --> 00:50:32,063 J. Allen Hynek, writing in "The Hynek UFO Report", 920 00:50:32,098 --> 00:50:34,514 provides a glimpse into the thinking 921 00:50:34,548 --> 00:50:37,551 at Blue Book at the time of this sighting. 922 00:50:37,586 --> 00:50:41,728 He wrote, "My skepticism was so great at that time 923 00:50:41,762 --> 00:50:45,973 "that I was quite willing todismiss it as a hallucination." 924 00:50:48,010 --> 00:50:52,049 Even with that admitted bias against the case 925 00:50:52,083 --> 00:50:54,741 which never received wide exposure, 926 00:50:54,775 --> 00:50:56,812 there's another which the witness said 927 00:50:56,846 --> 00:51:00,954 that he had seen the pilot of an unidentified craft 928 00:51:00,988 --> 00:51:05,200 and that was left as unidentified by the Air Force. 929 00:51:05,234 --> 00:51:07,961 In their zeal to label cases, 930 00:51:07,995 --> 00:51:10,929 this seems to be another that they missed. 931 00:51:10,964 --> 00:51:14,209 They could've easily labeled it as psychological, 932 00:51:14,243 --> 00:51:17,281 if not for the darned landing traces. 933 00:51:22,182 --> 00:51:24,909 Keeping with their tradition of labeling cases 934 00:51:24,943 --> 00:51:28,775 but not solving them, the Air Force officers decided 935 00:51:28,809 --> 00:51:32,123 that witnesses had psychological problems 936 00:51:32,158 --> 00:51:34,712 if they claimed to have seen the beings 937 00:51:34,746 --> 00:51:36,714 outside of their craft. 938 00:51:36,748 --> 00:51:40,131 There's no need to investigate if the witness is unreliable 939 00:51:40,166 --> 00:51:43,548 or under the influence of some kind of mental problem. 940 00:51:45,171 --> 00:51:49,244 In the Pittsburg, Kansas case, there is the same problem. 941 00:51:49,278 --> 00:51:51,867 Here was a case in which the object interacted 942 00:51:51,901 --> 00:51:53,455 with the environment. 943 00:51:53,489 --> 00:51:55,112 True, it was a single witness, 944 00:51:55,146 --> 00:51:57,459 but it left marks on the ground. 945 00:51:57,493 --> 00:52:00,600 Rather than send in someone to review it carefully, 946 00:52:00,634 --> 00:52:05,156 the Air Force allowed samples to be gathered by a civilian. 947 00:52:05,191 --> 00:52:07,917 They may have provided some guidance, 948 00:52:07,952 --> 00:52:11,507 but it would seem that anexpert with the proper training 949 00:52:11,542 --> 00:52:15,339 should have been sent if the Air Force was serious 950 00:52:15,373 --> 00:52:17,927 about investigating UFOs. 951 00:52:20,206 --> 00:52:22,691 There is another aspect to this case 952 00:52:22,725 --> 00:52:24,900 and that is that a military officer 953 00:52:24,934 --> 00:52:27,316 did gather some of the data. 954 00:52:27,351 --> 00:52:29,974 Green was apparently a second lieutenant 955 00:52:30,008 --> 00:52:31,355 in the Army Reserve. 956 00:52:31,389 --> 00:52:34,427 He is the man who collected the samples. 957 00:52:34,461 --> 00:52:36,014 But this is not to suggest 958 00:52:36,049 --> 00:52:38,983 that his military training had covered that, 959 00:52:39,017 --> 00:52:42,883 but his membership in the Reserve caused one problem. 960 00:52:42,918 --> 00:52:46,163 The report he filed with his chain of command 961 00:52:46,197 --> 00:52:50,270 made its way eventually to the Air Force, 962 00:52:50,305 --> 00:52:51,409 but they delayed it. 963 00:52:53,791 --> 00:52:56,242 Zamora seemed to be a single witness 964 00:52:56,276 --> 00:52:58,830 but there was physical evidence left behind. 965 00:52:58,865 --> 00:53:01,212 Here, the Air Force responded quickly, 966 00:53:01,247 --> 00:53:04,560 gathering evidence, and analyzed the situation. 967 00:53:04,595 --> 00:53:07,011 They found no answer that satisfied them. 968 00:53:08,426 --> 00:53:12,223 There is the possibility that there were two witnesses. 969 00:53:12,258 --> 00:53:14,156 They appeared after the fact 970 00:53:14,191 --> 00:53:16,227 but are not from the Socorro area, 971 00:53:16,262 --> 00:53:19,196 and their stories seem to have been embellished 972 00:53:19,230 --> 00:53:21,991 with facts from news reports. 973 00:53:22,026 --> 00:53:23,821 In fact, in all the cases, 974 00:53:23,855 --> 00:53:26,927 there was some physical evidence to be examined. 975 00:53:26,962 --> 00:53:29,240 The cases did not rest solely 976 00:53:29,275 --> 00:53:31,622 on the testimony of the witnesses. 977 00:53:31,656 --> 00:53:34,349 If there wasn't some kind of physical evidence, 978 00:53:34,383 --> 00:53:37,731 there was another witness to corroborate the sightings. 979 00:53:40,665 --> 00:53:44,669 The Cisco Grove occupantreport is just one more example 980 00:53:44,704 --> 00:53:47,431 of an opportunity that was missed, 981 00:53:47,465 --> 00:53:50,986 or rather, one that seems to have been missed. 982 00:53:51,020 --> 00:53:53,091 There was some corroborative testimony 983 00:53:53,126 --> 00:53:54,610 from the other hunters. 984 00:53:54,645 --> 00:53:56,647 There was the damage to the arrows 985 00:53:56,681 --> 00:53:58,649 and then there was the report 986 00:53:58,683 --> 00:54:01,030 that the area had been cleaned. 987 00:54:02,204 --> 00:54:04,241 What we don't know is who had been out 988 00:54:04,275 --> 00:54:06,277 in the forest cleaning the areas 989 00:54:06,312 --> 00:54:10,557 in which the witness claimed to have seen the alien beings. 990 00:54:10,592 --> 00:54:12,594 Just who could have done that? 991 00:54:14,527 --> 00:54:17,288 There is evidence that not all sightings 992 00:54:17,323 --> 00:54:19,256 made it to Project Blue Book 993 00:54:19,290 --> 00:54:23,363 even though the regulations seemed to require that. 994 00:54:23,398 --> 00:54:27,505 Dr. J. Allen Hynek, who was a scientific consultant 995 00:54:27,540 --> 00:54:30,094 to Project Blue Book for many years, 996 00:54:30,128 --> 00:54:34,409 often said that the really good cases didn't make it 997 00:54:34,443 --> 00:54:36,928 into the Blue Book files. 998 00:54:36,963 --> 00:54:40,380 He suspected another reporting system 999 00:54:40,415 --> 00:54:42,727 but he couldn't prove that there was one. 1000 00:54:47,732 --> 00:54:51,046 Hints about this other investigation 1001 00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,291 came from Brigadier General Arthur Exon 1002 00:54:54,325 --> 00:54:55,982 who was the base commander 1003 00:54:56,016 --> 00:55:00,227 at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in the mid 1960s. 1004 00:55:00,262 --> 00:55:03,334 Exon said that while he was base commander, 1005 00:55:03,369 --> 00:55:06,820 he would periodically receive telephone calls 1006 00:55:06,855 --> 00:55:09,823 which ordered him to prepare an aircraft 1007 00:55:09,858 --> 00:55:14,207 for a mission outside the local Wright-Patterson area. 1008 00:55:15,450 --> 00:55:20,282 Exon himself described this in May 19 of 1991 1009 00:55:20,317 --> 00:55:22,042 in a recorded interview. 1010 00:55:22,077 --> 00:55:25,149 He said, "I know that while I was there, 1011 00:55:25,183 --> 00:55:28,359 "I had charge of all the administrative airplanes 1012 00:55:28,394 --> 00:55:31,880 "and had to sign priority airplanes to the members 1013 00:55:31,914 --> 00:55:35,642 "who would go out andinvestigate reported sightings. 1014 00:55:35,677 --> 00:55:39,059 "I remember several out in Wyoming and Montana 1015 00:55:39,094 --> 00:55:43,063 "and that area in the '60s, '64 and '65. 1016 00:55:43,098 --> 00:55:46,135 "I knew there were certain teams of people, 1017 00:55:46,170 --> 00:55:49,242 "they're representing headquarters United States Air Force 1018 00:55:49,276 --> 00:55:51,244 "as well as the organizations there 1019 00:55:51,278 --> 00:55:54,834 "at Wright-pat, and so on. 1020 00:55:54,868 --> 00:55:57,940 "When a crew came back, it was their own business. 1021 00:55:57,975 --> 00:56:00,426 "Nobody asked any questions." 1022 00:56:00,460 --> 00:56:02,497 He expanded on this, saying, 1023 00:56:02,531 --> 00:56:05,741 "The way this happened to me is that I would get a call 1024 00:56:05,776 --> 00:56:08,744 "and say that the crew or team was leaving. 1025 00:56:08,779 --> 00:56:11,954 "There was such and such a timeand they wanted an airplane 1026 00:56:11,989 --> 00:56:16,096 "and pilots to take X number of people to wherever. 1027 00:56:16,131 --> 00:56:18,720 "They might be gone two or three days 1028 00:56:18,754 --> 00:56:20,929 "or might be gone a week. 1029 00:56:20,963 --> 00:56:24,035 "They would come back and that would be the end of it." 1030 00:56:24,070 --> 00:56:28,039 Asked about the overall controlof the teams, Exon said, 1031 00:56:28,074 --> 00:56:31,560 "I always thought they were part of that unholy crew 1032 00:56:31,595 --> 00:56:35,633 "in Washington that startedkeeping the lid on this thing." 1033 00:56:36,807 --> 00:56:40,258 Everything said to this point suggests 1034 00:56:40,293 --> 00:56:43,710 that the operation was run from FTD, 1035 00:56:43,745 --> 00:56:47,783 the parent organization to Blue Book at Wright-Patterson, 1036 00:56:47,818 --> 00:56:50,579 but in an interview conducted about a month later 1037 00:56:50,614 --> 00:56:55,619 on June the 18th of 1991, Exon clarified what he had meant. 1038 00:56:57,068 --> 00:57:00,417 Asked if these teams of eight to 15 people were stationed 1039 00:57:00,451 --> 00:57:03,350 at Wright-Patterson, he said, "They were." 1040 00:57:03,385 --> 00:57:05,698 "They would come from Washington, D.C. 1041 00:57:05,732 --> 00:57:08,252 "They'd ask for an airplane tomorrow morning 1042 00:57:08,286 --> 00:57:11,048 "and that would give the guys a chance to get there, 1043 00:57:11,082 --> 00:57:14,016 "Wright-Patterson, by commercial airline. 1044 00:57:14,051 --> 00:57:16,743 "Sometimes they'd be gone for three days 1045 00:57:16,778 --> 00:57:19,781 "and sometimes they'd be gone for a week. 1046 00:57:19,815 --> 00:57:22,473 "I know they went to Montana and Wyoming 1047 00:57:22,508 --> 00:57:25,200 "and the northwest states a number of times 1048 00:57:25,234 --> 00:57:26,995 "in a year and a half. 1049 00:57:27,029 --> 00:57:29,998 "They went to Arizona once or twice." 1050 00:57:30,032 --> 00:57:34,451 He also said, "Our contact was a man, a telephone number. 1051 00:57:34,485 --> 00:57:36,798 "He'd call, he'd set the airplane up. 1052 00:57:36,832 --> 00:57:40,940 "I just knew there was an investigative team." 1053 00:57:42,355 --> 00:57:45,392 What all this boils down to is an attempt 1054 00:57:45,427 --> 00:57:47,498 to cover the activity. 1055 00:57:47,533 --> 00:57:51,744 The team, whoever they were, would fly into Dayton, Ohio, 1056 00:57:51,778 --> 00:57:55,575 on commercial air and then drive out to the base. 1057 00:57:55,610 --> 00:57:58,440 If a reporter attempted to trace the movements 1058 00:57:58,475 --> 00:58:00,925 of the team after it had been deployed, 1059 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,583 the trail led back to Wright-Patterson. 1060 00:58:03,618 --> 00:58:06,241 After that, it just disappeared. 1061 00:58:08,036 --> 00:58:11,384 This team, or those teams, was made up 1062 00:58:11,418 --> 00:58:14,387 of eight to 15 individuals at a time 1063 00:58:14,421 --> 00:58:16,631 when Project Blue Book was composed 1064 00:58:16,665 --> 00:58:21,636 of two Air Force officers, an NCO, and a secretary. 1065 00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:23,810 They were stationed at Wright-Patterson 1066 00:58:23,845 --> 00:58:27,676 but these other teams were assigned somewhere else 1067 00:58:27,711 --> 00:58:29,782 and there is no reason to assume 1068 00:58:29,816 --> 00:58:34,683 that all members of a teamwere assigned at the same base. 1069 00:58:34,718 --> 00:58:36,720 They would come together as needed. 1070 00:58:43,105 --> 00:58:46,074 On October 20th, 1969, 1071 00:58:46,108 --> 00:58:50,975 Brigadier General C.H. Bolenderprovided the documentation 1072 00:58:51,010 --> 00:58:55,773 to prove that there was another investigation. 1073 00:58:55,808 --> 00:58:59,915 In paragraph four of his memo, Bolender wrote, 1074 00:58:59,950 --> 00:59:04,955 "As early as 1953, the Robertson Panel concluded 1075 00:59:06,404 --> 00:59:09,442 "that the evidence presented on unidentified flying objects 1076 00:59:09,476 --> 00:59:12,652 "shows no indication that these phenomena 1077 00:59:12,687 --> 00:59:16,967 "constitute a direct physical threat to national security. 1078 00:59:17,001 --> 00:59:20,833 "In spite of this finding, the Air Force continued 1079 00:59:20,867 --> 00:59:24,906 "to maintain a special reporting system. 1080 00:59:24,940 --> 00:59:27,356 "There is still, however, no evidence 1081 00:59:27,391 --> 00:59:29,566 "that Project Blue Book reports 1082 00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,948 "have served any intelligence function. 1083 00:59:32,983 --> 00:59:36,607 "Moreover, reports of unidentified flying objects 1084 00:59:36,642 --> 00:59:40,335 "which could affect national security are made 1085 00:59:40,369 --> 00:59:43,718 "in accordance with JANAP 146, 1086 00:59:43,752 --> 00:59:47,273 "the Joint Army, Navy, Air Force Publication, 1087 00:59:47,307 --> 00:59:50,690 "or Air Force Manual 55-11, 1088 00:59:50,725 --> 00:59:54,073 "and are not part of the Blue Book system." 1089 00:59:55,384 --> 00:59:59,250 In other words, the suspicions of Hynek and Exon 1090 00:59:59,285 --> 01:00:03,427 were confirmed by this documentfrom the government files. 1091 01:00:03,461 --> 01:00:07,707 This organization dealt with matters of national security 1092 01:00:07,742 --> 01:00:09,985 and the sightings at Malmstrom 1093 01:00:10,020 --> 01:00:11,987 because of the missile shutdown 1094 01:00:12,022 --> 01:00:14,334 and it was a matter of national security. 1095 01:00:15,681 --> 01:00:18,511 Those sightings and theinformation collected about them 1096 01:00:18,545 --> 01:00:21,825 would not be part of the Blue Book system 1097 01:00:21,859 --> 01:00:25,138 and therefore would not be in the files. 1098 01:00:25,173 --> 01:00:29,487 That they are missing is the significant point. 1099 01:00:33,733 --> 01:00:37,461 In the beginning, in the summer of 1947, 1100 01:00:37,495 --> 01:00:40,360 the military was concerned about the sightings 1101 01:00:40,395 --> 01:00:42,155 of flying saucers. 1102 01:00:42,190 --> 01:00:43,881 They didn't know what they were. 1103 01:00:43,916 --> 01:00:46,263 But the reports from military pilots, 1104 01:00:46,297 --> 01:00:50,267 civilian pilots, and police officers concerned them. 1105 01:00:50,301 --> 01:00:53,235 They believed the reports to be accurate 1106 01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:56,031 and thought they represented an advancement 1107 01:00:56,066 --> 01:00:59,794 in technology by our competitors in the world. 1108 01:00:59,828 --> 01:01:02,486 Alien visitation, though discussed, 1109 01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,419 was not the top explanation. 1110 01:01:06,214 --> 01:01:08,388 When the official investigation, 1111 01:01:08,423 --> 01:01:10,908 known officially as Project Sign, 1112 01:01:10,943 --> 01:01:15,016 the officers assigned were motivated to find an explanation. 1113 01:01:16,293 --> 01:01:19,503 In July, 1948, they produced a document 1114 01:01:19,537 --> 01:01:22,851 known as the estimate of the situation. 1115 01:01:22,886 --> 01:01:24,784 According to Ed Ruppelt, 1116 01:01:24,819 --> 01:01:27,407 one-time chief of Project Blue Book, 1117 01:01:27,442 --> 01:01:30,410 that situation was flying saucers 1118 01:01:30,445 --> 01:01:34,794 and the conclusion was that they were from another world. 1119 01:01:36,623 --> 01:01:41,352 The Air Force chief of staff, General Hoyt S. Vandenberg, 1120 01:01:41,387 --> 01:01:45,391 rejected the estimate and those who had been responsible 1121 01:01:45,425 --> 01:01:48,187 found themselves with new jobs. 1122 01:01:48,221 --> 01:01:50,879 The fire went out of the investigation. 1123 01:01:50,914 --> 01:01:54,503 No longer did they worry about the explanation. 1124 01:01:54,538 --> 01:01:58,093 They just worried about providing solutions for the cases. 1125 01:01:59,543 --> 01:02:02,684 Sign eventually evolved into Grudge 1126 01:02:02,719 --> 01:02:05,100 and then Project Blue Book. 1127 01:02:05,135 --> 01:02:08,828 For a brief period, Blue Book was more interested 1128 01:02:08,863 --> 01:02:12,280 in the truth than in explaining cases 1129 01:02:12,314 --> 01:02:14,731 regardless of the facts. 1130 01:02:14,765 --> 01:02:17,630 An explanation of the Blue Book files, 1131 01:02:17,664 --> 01:02:20,633 a reinvestigation of many of the cases, 1132 01:02:20,667 --> 01:02:23,256 reveals the flaws in them. 1133 01:02:23,291 --> 01:02:26,984 There are radar cases, physical evidence cases, 1134 01:02:27,019 --> 01:02:29,538 photographic cases, landing cases, 1135 01:02:29,573 --> 01:02:31,713 and reports of humanoid creatures 1136 01:02:31,748 --> 01:02:36,407 that have no solid terrestrial explanations. 1137 01:02:36,442 --> 01:02:39,997 The truth is that for most of its existence, 1138 01:02:40,032 --> 01:02:43,207 Blue Book was a public relations operation 1139 01:02:43,242 --> 01:02:45,244 designed to convince people 1140 01:02:45,278 --> 01:02:50,042 that there were no flying saucers, no alien visitation, 1141 01:02:50,076 --> 01:02:54,494 and finally, no reason for continued research. 1142 01:02:55,841 --> 01:02:58,464 Blue Book ended in 1969 1143 01:02:58,498 --> 01:03:01,812 after the University of Colorado accepted more 1144 01:03:01,847 --> 01:03:05,747 than a half million dollars to investigate UFOs. 1145 01:03:07,197 --> 01:03:10,131 There were three caveats: they must say something positive 1146 01:03:10,165 --> 01:03:12,443 about the Air Force investigation, 1147 01:03:12,478 --> 01:03:14,791 they must conclude their investigation 1148 01:03:14,825 --> 01:03:19,002 the way the Air Force wanted, and then must show 1149 01:03:19,036 --> 01:03:22,522 that there was no national security threat. 1150 01:03:24,248 --> 01:03:28,632 With these three goalsaccomplished, the Air Force said 1151 01:03:28,666 --> 01:03:31,842 they were through investigating flying saucers. 1152 01:03:31,877 --> 01:03:36,847 Like so much else, that statement was also untrue. 1153 01:03:39,022 --> 01:03:42,853 [mysterious electronic music] 1154 01:03:59,628 --> 01:04:01,596 [eyelids thudding] 1155 01:04:01,630 --> 01:04:02,873 [dramatic music] 1156 01:04:02,908 --> 01:04:06,808 - [Announcer] 10, nine, ignition sequence start, 1157 01:04:06,843 --> 01:04:10,329 six, five, four, three, 1158 01:04:10,363 --> 01:04:11,640 two, one, zero. 90008

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