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This is Justice in America.
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And I'm Madeline McBride.
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It has been 73 days
since the murder
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of 11-year-old Kaylee Nagle.
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Kaylee was found sexually
assaulted and stabbed to death
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in her Westchester,
New York home.
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And while the police have yet
to make an arrest,
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there is one suspect from whom
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we never hear.
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I'm talking
about Kaylee's stepfather,
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Jeremy Brennan.
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According to Jeremy's
statement to the police,
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he picked up Kaylee after school
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at soccer practice
and returned home.
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And while Kaylee's mother
was at work,
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Jeremy claims
he went on a bike ride
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and returned less than
an hour later to find
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his stepdaughter
dead on the kitchen floor,
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her soccer jersey ripped open,
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her shorts pulled down
to her ankles,
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and a kitchen knife
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buried in her chest.
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Well, apparently, the police
are running out of ways
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to get this man to talk,
and that is why
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I am asking you,
for the 22nd night in a row,
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to let Jeremy Brennan know
that you need to hear from him.
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You want answers.
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And he can't hide!
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Let's keep up the pressure.
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Let's bombard this man
with our tweets.
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Let's demand
that he come forward
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and answer some questions.
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@JeremyBrennanRealty.
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#StopHidingJeremy.
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Dr. Bull, Mr. Colón.
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I appreciate you
braving the pandemic
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to meet me this morning.
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For the record,
I get tested every day.
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The room is disinfected
every night.
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So feel free
to leave your masks on
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or take them off as you see fit.
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You gentlemen know
why you're here?
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I'm guessing it's because
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you have
a Madeline McBride problem.
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She's being sued by that family
of the little girl
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who was murdered.
And they want her
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to stop encouraging her viewers
to harass the stepfather
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on social media.
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Please.
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Well, you know...
this Madeline McBride issue.
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She's picking a fight
with someone who,
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who might be the guilty party,
but also someone
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who could certainly be
perceived as the victim,
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in that his stepdaughter was
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the person who died.
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Can't pay them off...
They don't want money.
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Can't ask Madeline to stop
what she's doing
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without doing irreparable harm
to her brand,
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which, as you know, is
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the tough-talking, acerbic,
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defender of those
denied justice.
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Yada, yada, yada.
Long story short,
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we're going to court,
whether we want to or not.
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So you think the jury
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just might side with
the family of the dead girl?
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Our whole business is based
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on the assumption that
the First Amendment gives
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our air personalities
the right to express themselves
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without fear of retribution.
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And I don't want to give
the courts or a jury
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any reason to second-guess that.
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I'd just love to shut this down
sooner rather than later.
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If you two were inclined
to lead the fight for us...
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I'd certainly make it
worth your while.
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You ever watch that lady's show?
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I have caught a little
of it here and there.
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It's hard to believe that's
what the founding fathers
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had in mind when they were
cooking up the Constitution.
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Are you trying to tell me
you'd rather not be involved?
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Madeline McBride is part of
this culture of evisceration
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that takes over cable
television every night.
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Whether it's politics
or celebrity stalking
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or true crime, it's just...
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it's just mean, man.
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Well, it might be mean,
but Madeline McBride
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and WNN are on the right
side of this thing legally.
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It's the First Amendment.
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And the problem is...
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if you don't stand up for
the people you don't agree with
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when they're being silenced,
there might not be
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a right to free speech
when they come after
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the people
that you do agree with.
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Right? No less a figure
than George Washington said,
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"If freedom of speech is taken
away, then dumb and silent
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we may be led
like sheep to the slaughter."
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Your Honor, the law
of the state of New York
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is very clear... an injunction
can only be granted
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if there's proof
that the party in question
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is doing irreparable harm.
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Counsel is correct
on that point.
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Is your client suffering
irreparable harm?
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Without question, Your Honor.
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Jeremy Brennan is suffering
indescribable mental anguish
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because of Madeline
McBride's relentless
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and very public attacks.
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To be clear, she's accusing
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my client of the murder
of his stepdaughter
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on national television,
virtually every night
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for over a month now.
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All this while he and his wife
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are dealing with the anguish
of having lost
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their only child in...
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as gruesome and savage
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a rape and murder
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as I can ever recall.
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She is using her bully pulpit
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to urge her viewers
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to call him out
via social media.
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My client receives
over a thousand
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tweets a day...
All of them hostile,
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many of them threatening...
And all of them mention
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Ms. McBride and
her program by name.
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Furthermore, Mr. Brennan is
a real estate agent.
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His name... is an integral
part of his business.
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Bus benches with
his name and photo
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are being defaced
with the words "pedophile"
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and "killer."
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Mr. Brennan can't even go out
in public anymore.
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And let's start with the fact
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that my client has never
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been arrested or charged
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with any crime. None.
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Furthermore, there
is clear evidence
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that someone else is the killer.
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There was unidentified
DNA and skin cells
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present under
Kaylee's fingernails.
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Something Ms. McBride doesn't
even mention on her show.
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Your Honor, the DNA found
underneath the victim's
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fingernails could come
from anyone, anywhere.
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Possibly even...
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one of her friends
on the soccer field.
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And isn't this ultimately
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about the First Amendment?
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No less a figure than
George Washington declared,
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"If freedom of speech
is taken away,
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"then dumb and silent,
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we may be led
like sheep to the slaughter."
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Mr. Colón knows good and well
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that not all speech
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is protected
by the First Amendment.
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The Supreme Court has
been very clear on that.
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There's a reason
you can't yell fire
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in a crowded theater.
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Respectfully, Your Honor,
you can if there's smoke.
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Personally, going forward,
I would encourage
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Ms. McBride to show
a degree of sensitivity
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to Mr. Brennan, who,
as Mr. Godford points out,
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has not even been charged
with a crime at this point.
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However, I am bound
by the State of New York
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as well as the United States'
Constitution.
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Madeline McBride has a
guaranteed First Amendment right
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to state her opinion.
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Therefore, I am denying
the request for an injunction.
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Court dismissed.
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Nice job, gentlemen.
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Uh... I told you
we were in good hands.
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That George Washington quote
was very moving.
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We barely said hello,
but I'm very grateful
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for what you did here today.
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And...
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I know that Kaylee is, too.
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Hi, hi, sorry!
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Forgive me for ambushing you.
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It's just that your place
was locked, but then...
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the guard downstairs
recognized me
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and he said that I could
wait here for you,
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so...
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What can I do for you,
Ms. McBride?
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I got a phone call
about an hour ago.
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Jeremy Brennan,
Kaylee Nagle's stepfather,
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he...
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...he killed himself last night.
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Hello?
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Yes, this is she.
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Sorry, what hospital is this?
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Oh, no, no, there must be
some mistake.
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You're, like,
three blocks away from me.
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My father lives in Louisiana.
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Has for the last 15 years.
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Wait, he what?
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Tonight?
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Day 42... no response
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from Jeremy Brennan
or his attorneys
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regarding his availability
or willingness
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to appear on this show.
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No response from Westchester PD
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as to what their plans
are moving forward
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in regards
to the Kaylee Nagle case.
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No response from the mayor.
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No response
from the county supervisor.
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And that is why I've applied
for a permit
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for an organized rally
across the street
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from the Brennan home.
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The scene of Kaylee's death.
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And if you live
in the tri-state area,
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I do hope that you will
come down and join me
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as we let the world know
that we have some questions.
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And we want some answers!
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Our client concluded
her broadcast,
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this broadcast, at 9:59.
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According to the Brennan cable
box, the program was viewed
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in both the bedroom
and the family room.
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Jeremy's widow tells us
she watched it alone
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and fell asleep
shortly thereafter.
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Apparently her late husband
never made it upstairs to bed.
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Sometime between 2:00
and 3:00 a.m.,
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he entered the garage,
climbed into his car,
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started the engine...
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but never opened
the garage door.
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Just sat in the front seat and
waited for the carbon monoxide
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to do its job... no texts,
no note, no nothing.
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Let's talk law...
The other side is gonna have
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to prove Jeremy Brennan's
suicide was uniquely
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a result of Madeline McBride's
on-air provocations.
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And as disturbing
as what we just saw was,
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that's gonna be a very,
very difficult thing to prove.
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And yet, the six people
sitting in judgment of all this
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may have a hard time
separating what Madeline did
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from who Madeline is,
or who she appears to be.
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Taylor, you have those Q scores?
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"Q score"?
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They measure the likeability
and familiarity
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of a celebrity.
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Madeline McBride has
an extraordinarily
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high Q score, actually.
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Over 80% of adults
who are between the ages
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of 18 and 49 know who she is.
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Additionally, two out
of three of those 80%
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admit to watching her at
least three times a month.
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Okay. She's popular.
We knew that.
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Here's the fascinating part.
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Two-thirds of that subset
that says they watch her,
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admit they don't like her.
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They find her shrill,
hysterical, judgmental, unfair.
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"She's not a nice person."
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And therein lies the problem.
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That is our potential jury pool,
which is why
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we have to make sure
this case doesn't devolve
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into a referendum
on our client's personality.
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Now, the other side's gonna
have their hands full
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trying to prove causation,
which I'm fairly sure
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we will be able
to defend against, but...
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if this case becomes
about what that jury thinks
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about McBride's behavior as
a TV personality, we will lose.
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We can't play defense and win.
256
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We have to make sure
this jury understands
257
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this is much bigger
than a cable news TV show.
258
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This better be important.
259
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What can I do for you?
260
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Any progress in the
Madeline McBride of it all?
261
00:11:51,043 --> 00:11:52,628
Still in the midst.
262
00:11:52,711 --> 00:11:56,966
Actually, I had a startling
revelation a little while ago.
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Our client...
264
00:11:58,717 --> 00:12:01,262
is the Hunchback of Notre Dame.
265
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People see her...
266
00:12:03,013 --> 00:12:06,142
They're appalled,
but they're also fascinated.
267
00:12:06,225 --> 00:12:08,144
Same way they feel
about the Hunchback.
268
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They can't look away.
269
00:12:09,728 --> 00:12:12,773
So, what the novel does,
what the movie does
270
00:12:12,857 --> 00:12:14,942
is it humanizes this person
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that people find
so frightening, so terrifying.
272
00:12:17,236 --> 00:12:19,405
It makes them care about him.
273
00:12:19,488 --> 00:12:22,533
That's what we need
to do with Madeline.
274
00:12:22,616 --> 00:12:24,660
Any idea how?
275
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Not a clue.
276
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Something will come to me.
277
00:12:27,913 --> 00:12:30,666
But I suspect that is not why
you came to my office.
278
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Actually, I was hoping
279
00:12:31,792 --> 00:12:34,962
to get a couple of minutes
with the other Dr. Bull.
280
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The psychologist.
281
00:12:43,095 --> 00:12:45,514
What's going on?
282
00:12:45,598 --> 00:12:47,975
My father passed away
last night.
283
00:12:48,058 --> 00:12:50,019
COVID.
284
00:12:50,102 --> 00:12:51,289
I'm so sorry.
285
00:12:51,313 --> 00:12:52,521
No, it's fine.
286
00:12:52,605 --> 00:12:54,356
I'm fine.
287
00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,525
Didn't even know he was sick.
288
00:12:59,487 --> 00:13:03,532
Haven't seen or spoken with him
in almost 15 years.
289
00:13:03,616 --> 00:13:05,242
I thought he was
290
00:13:05,326 --> 00:13:06,994
in New Orleans this whole time.
291
00:13:07,077 --> 00:13:10,372
Turns out he was living
four subway stops away from me.
292
00:13:10,456 --> 00:13:13,876
Is that what you wanted
to talk to me about?
293
00:13:13,959 --> 00:13:16,045
No. No.
294
00:13:16,128 --> 00:13:18,797
Um, I wanted to talk about me.
295
00:13:21,300 --> 00:13:24,428
So, I got the call
at 3:00 in the morning.
296
00:13:24,512 --> 00:13:27,765
Hung up, went straight to sleep.
297
00:13:27,848 --> 00:13:29,600
Didn't cry.
298
00:13:29,683 --> 00:13:31,393
Just slept.
299
00:13:31,477 --> 00:13:34,355
Then I got up, came to work.
300
00:13:34,438 --> 00:13:36,815
Still haven't cried.
301
00:13:40,069 --> 00:13:41,820
Is that crazy?
302
00:13:41,904 --> 00:13:44,073
Well, there's a lot
I don't know,
303
00:13:44,156 --> 00:13:46,158
but my suspicion is...
304
00:13:46,242 --> 00:13:49,870
you're not reacting yet
to what happened.
305
00:13:49,954 --> 00:13:53,374
And there's two reasons.
One, you're in shock.
306
00:13:53,457 --> 00:13:57,711
And two, your father
already left you 15 years ago.
307
00:13:57,795 --> 00:14:01,048
So, I suspect
you've been mourning him
308
00:14:01,131 --> 00:14:03,801
on and off for years.
309
00:14:07,179 --> 00:14:09,390
That makes sense.
310
00:14:10,349 --> 00:14:12,643
Thank you, Dr. Bull.
311
00:14:16,230 --> 00:14:18,774
Danny?
312
00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,570
Sooner or later, you will cry.
313
00:14:25,030 --> 00:14:27,116
I don't know.
314
00:14:27,199 --> 00:14:29,618
He is my father.
315
00:14:29,702 --> 00:14:33,581
And it's not like
I don't have any good memories.
316
00:14:35,374 --> 00:14:37,626
But in a lot of ways,
he was a really bad guy.
317
00:14:37,710 --> 00:14:40,462
I'm just telling you,
it could be tomorrow,
318
00:14:40,546 --> 00:14:42,214
could be years from now.
319
00:14:42,298 --> 00:14:44,174
You'll be walking
down the street,
320
00:14:44,258 --> 00:14:47,219
and suddenly, it hits you.
321
00:14:48,762 --> 00:14:50,931
I just want you
to know it's coming.
322
00:14:51,015 --> 00:14:52,641
Okay.
323
00:14:52,725 --> 00:14:55,311
I've been warned.
324
00:14:59,940 --> 00:15:02,151
And when did
325
00:15:02,234 --> 00:15:05,154
the two of you become
aware that Madeline McBride
326
00:15:05,237 --> 00:15:06,989
was implicating your husband
327
00:15:07,072 --> 00:15:10,492
in the death of your child
on national television?
328
00:15:10,576 --> 00:15:13,579
Were you regular viewers
of her program?
329
00:15:13,662 --> 00:15:16,665
No, I had never seen it before,
I'd-I'd never heard of her.
330
00:15:16,749 --> 00:15:20,836
Um, I'm guessing
the first time she mentioned it,
331
00:15:20,919 --> 00:15:23,839
it was a Friday night,
because I remember
332
00:15:23,922 --> 00:15:27,676
it was a Saturday morning
when we first got the tweets.
333
00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,137
Um, my husband
334
00:15:30,220 --> 00:15:32,181
had his own Twitter account for,
335
00:15:32,264 --> 00:15:34,183
uh, for his work.
336
00:15:34,266 --> 00:15:38,020
And he woke me up
to show me the...
337
00:15:38,103 --> 00:15:39,396
ugliest messages.
338
00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,608
Um, and as I said,
it was a Saturday morning,
339
00:15:42,691 --> 00:15:44,360
which are always the hardest,
340
00:15:44,443 --> 00:15:46,820
because Saturdays
were Kaylee's days.
341
00:15:46,904 --> 00:15:51,033
It was soccer and sleepovers,
and then...
342
00:15:51,116 --> 00:15:53,869
there were just these long days
343
00:15:53,952 --> 00:15:57,039
that we had to fill
by ourselves.
344
00:15:57,122 --> 00:16:00,918
And how did your life change
345
00:16:01,001 --> 00:16:03,712
as Madeline McBride began
346
00:16:03,796 --> 00:16:07,174
her nightly campaign
against your husband?
347
00:16:07,257 --> 00:16:09,718
After she insinuated
on national television
348
00:16:09,802 --> 00:16:14,640
that Kaylee's stepfather was
a pedophile and a killer?
349
00:16:14,723 --> 00:16:17,893
My husband was vilified.
350
00:16:19,311 --> 00:16:21,563
At the grocery store,
351
00:16:21,647 --> 00:16:24,400
at his office,
everywhere he went.
352
00:16:24,483 --> 00:16:26,276
They would call him names,
353
00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,404
tell him to stop hiding.
354
00:16:28,487 --> 00:16:30,030
And...
355
00:16:30,114 --> 00:16:31,949
did you
and Mr. Brennan ever feel
356
00:16:32,032 --> 00:16:35,411
that you were in any real danger
because of Ms. McBride?
357
00:16:35,494 --> 00:16:37,579
We did, and we were.
358
00:16:38,163 --> 00:16:40,749
In fact, the night before
Jeremy took his own life,
359
00:16:40,833 --> 00:16:43,252
someone threw a brick
through our front window.
360
00:16:43,335 --> 00:16:45,796
Your Honor,
we would like to introduce
361
00:16:45,879 --> 00:16:48,757
into evidence
the aforementioned brick
362
00:16:48,841 --> 00:16:51,301
that came
through the Brennans' window.
363
00:16:51,385 --> 00:16:52,803
Objection, Your Honor.
364
00:16:52,886 --> 00:16:55,973
A brick thrown by an unknown
perpetrator is not relevant
365
00:16:56,056 --> 00:16:58,225
to statements made
by Ms. McBride,
366
00:16:58,308 --> 00:17:01,770
and any attempt to connect
the two is speculative at best.
367
00:17:01,854 --> 00:17:03,939
Actually, the two are
very much connected,
368
00:17:04,022 --> 00:17:05,941
very much related, Your Honor.
369
00:17:06,734 --> 00:17:08,777
Sorry, Counselor.
370
00:17:08,861 --> 00:17:11,238
I think we need
to see where this goes.
371
00:17:12,197 --> 00:17:13,991
Overruled.
372
00:17:14,616 --> 00:17:17,453
The brick that you're holding...
373
00:17:17,536 --> 00:17:19,621
There's some writing on it?
374
00:17:20,205 --> 00:17:24,084
Would you please read
what it says?
375
00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:27,087
It says, "Stop Hiding Jeremy."
376
00:17:27,171 --> 00:17:29,506
And are you familiar
with that expression?
377
00:17:29,590 --> 00:17:31,675
I certainly am.
378
00:17:31,759 --> 00:17:34,303
"StopHidingJeremy"
was the hashtag
379
00:17:34,386 --> 00:17:38,974
McBride told her audience
to tweet to Jeremy every night.
380
00:17:42,770 --> 00:17:44,188
You okay?
381
00:17:44,271 --> 00:17:45,189
What do you mean?
382
00:17:45,272 --> 00:17:47,566
Well, that had to be hard
to listen to in there.
383
00:17:47,649 --> 00:17:50,068
Oh. Well, I'm fine.
384
00:17:50,152 --> 00:17:53,697
I know, and I think
the jury sees,
385
00:17:53,781 --> 00:17:55,991
that this is very
difficult for her.
386
00:17:56,074 --> 00:17:58,577
She invited him into her house.
387
00:17:58,660 --> 00:18:00,204
She invited him into her life.
388
00:18:00,287 --> 00:18:03,123
And now her daughter is dead,
so she's lashing out at me.
389
00:18:03,207 --> 00:18:06,210
It's-it's kind of
classic textbook.
390
00:18:06,293 --> 00:18:07,586
Don't you think?
391
00:18:07,669 --> 00:18:10,005
Oh. Do you disagree?
392
00:18:10,088 --> 00:18:12,883
Well, for what it's worth,
that's not what I heard.
393
00:18:12,966 --> 00:18:16,011
I heard her communicate...
394
00:18:16,095 --> 00:18:18,555
And rather effectively,
I might add...
395
00:18:18,639 --> 00:18:21,016
The impact your show had
on her life.
396
00:18:21,099 --> 00:18:23,894
And, by extension,
her late husband's life.
397
00:18:23,977 --> 00:18:27,147
That is what they heard.
398
00:18:27,231 --> 00:18:29,942
Let's not confuse things,
Madeline.
399
00:18:30,025 --> 00:18:33,862
Jury's not here to litigate
her late husband's guilt.
400
00:18:33,946 --> 00:18:35,531
They're here to litigate yours.
401
00:18:35,614 --> 00:18:38,534
I'm guilty of nothing.
402
00:18:38,617 --> 00:18:40,035
I've killed no one.
403
00:18:40,118 --> 00:18:42,496
All I've done is exercise
my First Amendment rights,
404
00:18:42,579 --> 00:18:45,999
and, um, last time I checked,
that's not a crime.
405
00:18:46,083 --> 00:18:49,711
So, don't you confuse things.
406
00:18:49,795 --> 00:18:52,881
And don't forget
who you're here to defend.
407
00:19:00,639 --> 00:19:03,225
Dr. Soto,
will you please tell the court
408
00:19:03,308 --> 00:19:05,102
what it is you do?
409
00:19:05,185 --> 00:19:06,770
I'm a licensed psychiatrist
410
00:19:06,854 --> 00:19:07,729
in the state of New York
411
00:19:07,813 --> 00:19:09,898
in private practice
in Westchester County,
412
00:19:09,982 --> 00:19:12,734
and until his death,
I saw Jeremy Brennan once a week
413
00:19:12,818 --> 00:19:15,362
for the past...
just about four years.
414
00:19:15,445 --> 00:19:17,698
And can you give the court
some idea
415
00:19:17,781 --> 00:19:20,117
why you were seeing
the late Mr. Brennan
416
00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:21,577
these past four years?
417
00:19:21,660 --> 00:19:23,745
Well, without going
into too much detail,
418
00:19:23,829 --> 00:19:27,040
what brought Mr. Brennan
into my office was his struggle
419
00:19:27,124 --> 00:19:29,293
with issues
involving generalized anxiety.
420
00:19:29,376 --> 00:19:32,671
The stresses involved
with running your own business.
421
00:19:32,754 --> 00:19:33,922
Pretty run-of-the-mill stuff.
422
00:19:34,006 --> 00:19:37,384
And can you talk
about the impact
423
00:19:37,467 --> 00:19:39,303
Kaylee's death had on him?
424
00:19:39,386 --> 00:19:43,015
He was, uh, shattered.
425
00:19:43,098 --> 00:19:44,933
Destroyed.
426
00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:48,437
Uh, wanted to be
this strong anchor for his wife,
427
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,105
who obviously was devastated,
428
00:19:50,188 --> 00:19:52,399
and felt ashamed
that he couldn't do it.
429
00:19:52,482 --> 00:19:53,942
Couldn't function.
430
00:19:54,026 --> 00:19:57,613
And then there was the
whole issue of responsibility.
431
00:19:57,696 --> 00:20:00,115
Tracy was at work,
he was at home.
432
00:20:00,198 --> 00:20:03,160
The way he explained it
to me was, he could have
433
00:20:03,243 --> 00:20:05,120
just as easily been there,
been at the house,
434
00:20:05,203 --> 00:20:06,663
maybe stopped it from happening.
435
00:20:06,747 --> 00:20:08,665
But he was riding his bike.
436
00:20:08,749 --> 00:20:12,085
At one of our last sessions,
he told me
437
00:20:12,169 --> 00:20:13,795
it was an incredibly
beautiful ride.
438
00:20:13,879 --> 00:20:17,549
And at the time,
it gave him enormous pleasure.
439
00:20:17,633 --> 00:20:19,153
And he really had trouble
understanding
440
00:20:19,217 --> 00:20:22,095
how he could experience
so much pleasure
441
00:20:22,179 --> 00:20:26,433
when someone he loved so deeply
was experiencing so much horror.
442
00:20:26,516 --> 00:20:28,477
Your Honor,
we mean no disrespect,
443
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,145
but it's hard
to see the relevance
444
00:20:30,228 --> 00:20:31,647
of any of this testimony,
445
00:20:31,730 --> 00:20:33,982
what bearing it has
on the case at hand.
446
00:20:34,066 --> 00:20:35,543
Your Honor, we believe
it's essential
447
00:20:35,567 --> 00:20:36,693
for the jury to understand
448
00:20:36,777 --> 00:20:38,487
Mr. Brennan's state of mind
449
00:20:38,570 --> 00:20:40,530
before Ms. McBride turned him
450
00:20:40,614 --> 00:20:42,991
into the focus
of her broadcasts,
451
00:20:43,075 --> 00:20:46,954
so they may better understand
the impact she had on him.
452
00:20:47,037 --> 00:20:48,956
I agree,
453
00:20:49,039 --> 00:20:51,375
but I feel confident
that you've done that.
454
00:20:51,458 --> 00:20:53,669
If we could please
455
00:20:53,752 --> 00:20:55,730
- move it along.
- Beg the court's pardon.
456
00:20:55,754 --> 00:20:58,382
If I could just ask
one last question...
457
00:20:58,465 --> 00:21:00,110
- Your Honor...
- ...about the days before
458
00:21:00,217 --> 00:21:04,179
Ms. McBride made him the
centerpiece of her broadcasts?
459
00:21:04,262 --> 00:21:06,306
One.
460
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:07,849
But keep it brief.
461
00:21:07,933 --> 00:21:09,977
During that period,
462
00:21:10,060 --> 00:21:13,021
immediately after Kaylee's death
463
00:21:13,105 --> 00:21:16,191
but before Ms. McBride made him
topic number one
464
00:21:16,274 --> 00:21:21,154
on her television show, did
he seem at all to you suicidal?
465
00:21:21,238 --> 00:21:22,739
As his doctor,
466
00:21:22,823 --> 00:21:25,993
were you ever really concerned
about his safety?
467
00:21:26,076 --> 00:21:27,076
No.
468
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,788
He was depressed. He was angry.
469
00:21:29,871 --> 00:21:31,832
He couldn't sleep or eat.
470
00:21:31,915 --> 00:21:33,542
But he was also very clear
471
00:21:33,625 --> 00:21:35,502
that he had to be there
for his wife.
472
00:21:35,585 --> 00:21:37,546
I see. And after
473
00:21:37,629 --> 00:21:40,257
he was implicated
by Ms. McBride?
474
00:21:40,340 --> 00:21:41,717
That was the first time I saw
475
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,344
anything even resembling
suicidal ideation.
476
00:21:44,428 --> 00:21:47,514
She was on television
every night
477
00:21:47,597 --> 00:21:49,224
implying awful things.
478
00:21:49,307 --> 00:21:51,351
The unrelenting tweets.
479
00:21:51,435 --> 00:21:53,603
The phone calls
in the middle of the night.
480
00:21:53,687 --> 00:21:55,397
The brick through the window.
481
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,234
This rally she wanted to have
across from his house.
482
00:21:59,317 --> 00:22:02,029
I wish I hadn't been so timid
about it.
483
00:22:02,112 --> 00:22:04,406
I wish I really had pushed
484
00:22:04,489 --> 00:22:07,242
to have him hospitalized.
485
00:22:07,325 --> 00:22:09,703
Nothing further, Your Honor.
486
00:22:13,915 --> 00:22:16,960
Hello, Dr. Soto.
487
00:22:17,044 --> 00:22:19,046
So...
488
00:22:19,129 --> 00:22:22,758
Are you familiar
with the concept of correlation
489
00:22:22,841 --> 00:22:25,594
and how it's often confused
with causation?
490
00:22:25,677 --> 00:22:27,596
I'm familiar with it, yes.
491
00:22:27,679 --> 00:22:29,056
That even if there is
492
00:22:29,139 --> 00:22:31,933
a correlation
between Ms. McBride's actions
493
00:22:32,017 --> 00:22:34,936
and Jeremy Brennan's
depression and mental distress,
494
00:22:35,020 --> 00:22:37,731
well,
that doesn't prove causation.
495
00:22:37,814 --> 00:22:41,151
No one knows for sure
why Jeremy Brennan
496
00:22:41,234 --> 00:22:43,320
did what he did.
497
00:22:43,987 --> 00:22:48,116
You don't know why Mr. Brennan
did what he did, do you?
498
00:22:51,703 --> 00:22:53,121
The witness will answer
499
00:22:53,205 --> 00:22:54,974
- the question, please.
- Oh, that's okay,
500
00:22:54,998 --> 00:22:56,917
Your Honor. That's all right.
501
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,294
I-I think the jury gets it.
502
00:22:59,377 --> 00:23:03,590
They know if the doctor, uh,
was certain about any of this,
503
00:23:03,673 --> 00:23:07,094
she would have absolutely had
Mr. Brennan hospitalized.
504
00:23:07,177 --> 00:23:09,137
A-And not just thought about it.
505
00:23:09,221 --> 00:23:12,307
You know, like, done it.
Made it happen.
506
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:15,602
But she wasn't certain.
507
00:23:15,685 --> 00:23:17,354
Were you?
508
00:23:18,355 --> 00:23:19,940
No.
509
00:23:20,023 --> 00:23:24,194
Okay, so, let's get back
to correlation and causation.
510
00:23:24,277 --> 00:23:26,780
To the best of your knowledge,
did my client
511
00:23:26,863 --> 00:23:30,408
tell Jeremy Brennan
to get on social media?
512
00:23:30,492 --> 00:23:32,369
No, not that I'm aware of.
513
00:23:32,452 --> 00:23:34,079
And, for that matter,
did my client
514
00:23:34,162 --> 00:23:37,833
ever force Jeremy Brennan
to watch her TV show?
515
00:23:37,916 --> 00:23:41,128
No, I-I can't imagine she did.
516
00:23:41,211 --> 00:23:43,672
I can't imagine that, either.
517
00:23:43,755 --> 00:23:45,507
Thank you.
518
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:47,175
No further questions,
Your Honor.
519
00:23:47,259 --> 00:23:49,427
I need you to answer the door,
Marissa.
520
00:23:49,511 --> 00:23:51,364
What? Answer the door?
What are you talking about?
521
00:23:51,388 --> 00:23:52,639
What door?
522
00:23:52,722 --> 00:23:54,891
Answer the door, Marissa.
523
00:23:56,393 --> 00:23:57,853
Doubt has arrived.
524
00:24:03,525 --> 00:24:06,361
Morning. Um, any way
we could have a chat?
525
00:24:06,444 --> 00:24:07,821
Sure.
526
00:24:07,904 --> 00:24:09,823
What's up?
527
00:24:09,906 --> 00:24:12,492
Um, I need a favor.
528
00:24:12,576 --> 00:24:15,245
My father passed away
earlier this week.
529
00:24:15,328 --> 00:24:17,914
Oh, God, I...
Danny, I'm so sorry.
530
00:24:17,998 --> 00:24:19,875
Were you close?
531
00:24:19,958 --> 00:24:22,127
I barely knew him.
532
00:24:23,461 --> 00:24:27,174
Well, that's not true.
I knew him.
533
00:24:28,341 --> 00:24:30,093
And I loved him.
534
00:24:30,177 --> 00:24:32,429
But he left us...
Uh, my mom and me...
535
00:24:32,512 --> 00:24:34,389
Right before
I went into the police academy.
536
00:24:34,472 --> 00:24:38,018
No goodbye. Nothing. Just, uh,
came home from school one day,
537
00:24:38,101 --> 00:24:40,562
and he was... he was gone.
538
00:24:40,645 --> 00:24:42,981
Took off with some woman.
539
00:24:44,316 --> 00:24:47,068
I haven't spoken to him
in 15 years.
540
00:24:47,152 --> 00:24:49,070
So the point is, um,
541
00:24:49,154 --> 00:24:52,073
I, uh, I hired a-a company
542
00:24:52,157 --> 00:24:54,576
to go into his apartment
and box up all his things.
543
00:24:54,659 --> 00:24:56,995
Get them out of there
so the, uh, the landlord
544
00:24:57,078 --> 00:24:58,639
can get the place ready
for a new tenant.
545
00:24:58,663 --> 00:25:00,123
Anyway,
546
00:25:00,207 --> 00:25:02,042
um, they just called,
547
00:25:02,125 --> 00:25:06,087
and apparently,
it's about 20-some boxes.
548
00:25:06,171 --> 00:25:08,632
And I just don't have
enough room
549
00:25:08,715 --> 00:25:11,635
for all that stuff
in my tiny apartment, so...
550
00:25:11,718 --> 00:25:14,554
Is there any way
that I could store them here,
551
00:25:14,638 --> 00:25:16,431
out of the way?
552
00:25:18,516 --> 00:25:19,849
Judge is on his way out.
553
00:25:19,873 --> 00:25:21,228
We're coming.
554
00:25:21,311 --> 00:25:23,813
After the other side
questions me,
555
00:25:23,897 --> 00:25:26,566
you get to question me,
too, right?
556
00:25:26,650 --> 00:25:28,235
Yes. That's how it works.
557
00:25:28,318 --> 00:25:29,778
Okay. For your last question,
558
00:25:29,861 --> 00:25:32,781
just make sure you ask me
how I got into all of this.
559
00:25:32,864 --> 00:25:35,659
What makes me care so deeply
for victims of crime.
560
00:25:35,742 --> 00:25:40,163
What makes me care so deeply
for people like Kaylee.
561
00:25:40,247 --> 00:25:42,332
Hmm?
562
00:25:45,126 --> 00:25:47,545
No evidence of forced entry.
563
00:25:47,629 --> 00:25:50,423
No real alibi
for the time period
564
00:25:50,507 --> 00:25:53,301
during which Kaylee was
sexually assaulted and murdered.
565
00:25:53,385 --> 00:25:56,304
I mean, he claimed
he went on a bike ride,
566
00:25:56,388 --> 00:25:58,181
but no one actually saw him.
567
00:25:58,265 --> 00:26:00,183
So, he just seemed
568
00:26:00,267 --> 00:26:03,144
like someone that you would want
to get answers from.
569
00:26:03,228 --> 00:26:06,815
You know what they say
about walking like a duck.
570
00:26:06,898 --> 00:26:09,025
Any more questions
571
00:26:09,109 --> 00:26:10,229
for this witness, Counselor?
572
00:26:10,277 --> 00:26:13,113
Yes, Your Honor. Just one more.
573
00:26:13,905 --> 00:26:15,657
So,
574
00:26:15,740 --> 00:26:17,784
Ms. McBride,
575
00:26:17,867 --> 00:26:19,619
we've all
576
00:26:19,703 --> 00:26:21,162
seen you on television.
577
00:26:21,246 --> 00:26:23,999
We've all seen you in action.
578
00:26:24,082 --> 00:26:27,544
So, how did you come to this?
579
00:26:27,627 --> 00:26:31,631
How did you come to be
a champion of justice?
580
00:26:31,715 --> 00:26:35,385
A champion of victims
like Kaylee?
581
00:26:38,430 --> 00:26:41,433
Like a lot of things in life...
582
00:26:42,934 --> 00:26:45,270
...you never see it coming.
583
00:26:46,855 --> 00:26:48,023
20 years ago,
584
00:26:48,106 --> 00:26:50,692
I was married.
585
00:26:50,775 --> 00:26:53,194
I was living in Indiana.
586
00:26:53,278 --> 00:26:55,030
It was, like...
587
00:26:55,113 --> 00:26:59,200
nine or ten weeks after 9/11.
588
00:26:59,284 --> 00:27:01,911
It was Black Friday.
589
00:27:01,995 --> 00:27:04,497
I was doing my patriotic duty
590
00:27:04,581 --> 00:27:07,042
by getting some
early Christmas shopping done.
591
00:27:07,125 --> 00:27:09,586
And my three-year-old,
592
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:12,380
David...
593
00:27:13,340 --> 00:27:16,092
He was at that in-between age.
594
00:27:16,176 --> 00:27:19,387
You know,
they want to be carried,
595
00:27:19,471 --> 00:27:22,223
and, oh, no,
they want to walk on their own
596
00:27:22,307 --> 00:27:23,600
or they want to hold your hand.
597
00:27:23,683 --> 00:27:26,436
It's like, no, no,
they want to be free.
598
00:27:27,979 --> 00:27:30,732
Anyway, my husband at the time
599
00:27:30,815 --> 00:27:33,276
was in some other part
of the mall.
600
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:37,572
And I saw
out of the corner of my eye
601
00:27:37,655 --> 00:27:40,408
this robot pet
602
00:27:40,492 --> 00:27:43,703
that was so popular that year.
603
00:27:43,787 --> 00:27:46,956
I mean,
it was sold out everywhere.
604
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,168
And then there it was.
605
00:27:50,251 --> 00:27:54,798
Magically, right in front of me.
606
00:27:54,881 --> 00:27:57,759
So, I grabbed David's hand,
607
00:27:57,842 --> 00:28:00,845
and we walked over
to where they were.
608
00:28:02,514 --> 00:28:06,226
I remember that the aisle
609
00:28:06,309 --> 00:28:10,772
was so very crowded.
610
00:28:10,855 --> 00:28:14,067
People and shopping carts
611
00:28:14,150 --> 00:28:16,778
and winter clothes.
612
00:28:18,238 --> 00:28:21,241
It seems so stupid now.
613
00:28:23,660 --> 00:28:25,161
Anyway...
614
00:28:27,205 --> 00:28:28,790
I grabbed the toy,
615
00:28:28,873 --> 00:28:31,126
and then I realized that I...
616
00:28:31,209 --> 00:28:33,670
I didn't want David to see it.
617
00:28:33,753 --> 00:28:35,672
I didn't want him to know
618
00:28:35,755 --> 00:28:40,135
that Mommy was getting him
the toy and not Santa.
619
00:28:40,218 --> 00:28:43,805
So I switched hands
for a second.
620
00:28:43,888 --> 00:28:45,807
And...
621
00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:48,143
And then I looked down.
622
00:28:53,606 --> 00:28:55,859
He wasn't there.
623
00:28:56,985 --> 00:28:59,863
You can figure out the rest.
624
00:28:59,946 --> 00:29:02,198
It was, like, me, my husband,
625
00:29:02,282 --> 00:29:06,536
the police...
We were all over that mall
626
00:29:06,619 --> 00:29:09,205
until they locked the doors
627
00:29:09,289 --> 00:29:12,292
and made us leave.
628
00:29:15,378 --> 00:29:18,339
He was just...
629
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:22,343
...gone.
630
00:29:23,136 --> 00:29:25,388
I'm so sorry.
631
00:29:26,139 --> 00:29:28,558
I was desperate,
632
00:29:28,641 --> 00:29:30,685
so...
633
00:29:30,768 --> 00:29:32,604
I went to the media.
634
00:29:32,687 --> 00:29:34,981
I didn't even know
what the media was.
635
00:29:35,064 --> 00:29:37,192
But...
636
00:29:37,275 --> 00:29:40,862
I wanted David's picture
637
00:29:40,945 --> 00:29:44,491
and his name everywhere.
638
00:29:44,574 --> 00:29:49,329
You know, just in case
somebody saw him.
639
00:29:50,121 --> 00:29:54,042
And I-I wouldn't let up.
640
00:29:54,125 --> 00:29:56,961
Not even after my husband
641
00:29:57,045 --> 00:29:59,547
stopped speaking to me.
642
00:30:01,299 --> 00:30:03,927
Not even after he left me.
643
00:30:04,010 --> 00:30:05,845
But...
644
00:30:08,306 --> 00:30:12,310
I just couldn't stop.
645
00:30:16,189 --> 00:30:18,399
My son's...
646
00:30:18,483 --> 00:30:22,779
body washed up
on the shore of the Patoka Lake
647
00:30:22,862 --> 00:30:24,906
a few weeks later.
648
00:30:24,989 --> 00:30:27,075
And...
649
00:30:27,158 --> 00:30:30,745
I guess everyone figured
650
00:30:30,828 --> 00:30:32,914
that was that.
651
00:30:35,875 --> 00:30:38,586
But not for me.
652
00:30:38,670 --> 00:30:42,465
I went everywhere
there was a microphone.
653
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:45,134
Uh, radio stations.
654
00:30:45,218 --> 00:30:46,469
Colleges.
655
00:30:46,553 --> 00:30:50,557
I just... I kept pushing
656
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,310
because I wanted the scalp
657
00:30:54,394 --> 00:30:58,106
of the man who kidnapped
658
00:30:58,189 --> 00:31:01,276
my son and murdered him.
659
00:31:03,111 --> 00:31:04,904
And then, finally...
660
00:31:07,407 --> 00:31:09,701
I got it.
661
00:31:13,913 --> 00:31:15,707
The police found him.
662
00:31:15,790 --> 00:31:18,459
'Cause, you know,
they never dared stop looking
663
00:31:18,543 --> 00:31:22,297
'cause I was screaming
from the rooftops.
664
00:31:25,091 --> 00:31:27,885
I got justice.
665
00:31:32,181 --> 00:31:34,642
I speak for the dead.
666
00:31:36,394 --> 00:31:39,522
Like my son.
667
00:31:44,402 --> 00:31:46,821
And like Kaylee.
668
00:31:50,199 --> 00:31:51,784
Told you I knew
what I was doing.
669
00:31:51,868 --> 00:31:53,828
That was quite a piece
of testimony.
670
00:31:53,911 --> 00:31:55,622
Any of it true?
671
00:31:56,372 --> 00:31:58,833
Yeah, step on in.
Close the door?
672
00:32:01,794 --> 00:32:06,090
I'm here to inform you that WNN
is withdrawing from the case.
673
00:32:06,174 --> 00:32:07,675
Excuse me?
674
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:09,570
Also that our lawyers are
on the phone with your lawyers
675
00:32:09,594 --> 00:32:10,678
negotiating the dissolution
676
00:32:10,762 --> 00:32:12,072
of your contract
with our network.
677
00:32:12,096 --> 00:32:14,390
As of now,
you are off the air, Madeline.
678
00:32:14,474 --> 00:32:16,643
What's going on?
679
00:32:16,726 --> 00:32:18,353
The man who killed Kaylee?
680
00:32:18,436 --> 00:32:19,854
They caught him
about an hour ago.
681
00:32:19,937 --> 00:32:21,356
Confessed to everything.
682
00:32:21,439 --> 00:32:22,857
What are you talking about?
683
00:32:22,940 --> 00:32:25,318
The man who killed Kaylee
was her stepfather.
684
00:32:25,401 --> 00:32:26,986
No, he wasn't.
685
00:32:27,070 --> 00:32:29,739
Look, the word is starting to
get out, and people are starting
686
00:32:29,822 --> 00:32:31,133
to gather
in front of the courthouse.
687
00:32:31,157 --> 00:32:32,408
They're looking for you.
688
00:32:32,492 --> 00:32:33,636
So I'd arrange for
some extra security
689
00:32:33,660 --> 00:32:36,579
to get her out of here? Yeah?
690
00:32:44,796 --> 00:32:46,440
The killer was a
man named Wayne Dixon.
691
00:32:46,464 --> 00:32:47,744
He was working
a construction job
692
00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:49,717
down the street
from the Brennan home.
693
00:32:49,801 --> 00:32:53,429
Dixon had apparently targeted
Kaylee a few weeks earlier.
694
00:32:53,513 --> 00:32:54,764
He was watching the house
695
00:32:54,847 --> 00:32:56,557
and saw Jeremy ride
away on his bike.
696
00:32:56,641 --> 00:32:58,267
Dixon claims he
approached the house,
697
00:32:58,351 --> 00:33:00,144
said he was a friend
of Kaylee's dad,
698
00:33:00,228 --> 00:33:02,271
and she let him in,
699
00:33:02,355 --> 00:33:05,108
which is why there is
no evidence of forced entry.
700
00:33:05,191 --> 00:33:07,527
Is there anything in there
701
00:33:07,610 --> 00:33:09,278
about how the police knew
702
00:33:09,362 --> 00:33:10,802
to question Dixon
in the first place?
703
00:33:10,863 --> 00:33:12,699
How did he come
to their attention?
704
00:33:12,782 --> 00:33:15,284
Well, according to this,
they got a tip.
705
00:33:15,368 --> 00:33:17,912
Dixon's girlfriend. Why?
706
00:33:17,995 --> 00:33:20,039
We're in court at 11:00.
707
00:33:20,123 --> 00:33:22,709
See if you can find
the girlfriend.
708
00:33:22,792 --> 00:33:25,044
See if you can get her
on the phone with me.
709
00:33:25,128 --> 00:33:27,714
Ms. James, stacked all
the boxes downstairs
710
00:33:27,797 --> 00:33:29,108
in that courtroom
like you told me.
711
00:33:29,132 --> 00:33:30,925
Thanks so much
for all your help.
712
00:33:31,008 --> 00:33:32,968
And I almost forgot.
The person who helped pack up
713
00:33:33,010 --> 00:33:35,763
your dad's things wanted me
to give you this.
714
00:33:35,847 --> 00:33:36,931
Thanks.
715
00:33:37,014 --> 00:33:39,058
Have a great day.
716
00:33:39,767 --> 00:33:42,270
Good morning, Ms. Cowley.
717
00:33:42,353 --> 00:33:46,441
Now, could you please
tell the court what it was
718
00:33:46,524 --> 00:33:47,793
that prompted you
to call the police
719
00:33:47,817 --> 00:33:49,402
on your boyfriend Wayne Dixon?
720
00:33:49,485 --> 00:33:50,945
Uh, yeah, I-I don't know.
721
00:33:51,028 --> 00:33:54,741
Um, Wayne was working
construction in Westchester,
722
00:33:54,824 --> 00:33:57,493
and, uh, since he started,
723
00:33:57,577 --> 00:34:00,329
he just seemed different,
distant,
724
00:34:00,413 --> 00:34:02,248
you know,
like he was preoccupied
725
00:34:02,331 --> 00:34:04,459
with something or-or someone.
726
00:34:04,542 --> 00:34:06,961
And then, a few nights later,
727
00:34:07,044 --> 00:34:10,757
I found him out back,
burning his clothes.
728
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,968
I mean,
why would you burn your clothes?
729
00:34:14,051 --> 00:34:17,805
He said he got some type of
toxic chemical on them at work.
730
00:34:17,889 --> 00:34:21,642
But he does framing
and drywall. I-I don't know.
731
00:34:21,726 --> 00:34:23,853
It just... it didn't seem right
to me.
732
00:34:23,936 --> 00:34:26,230
Now, is that when
you phoned the police?
733
00:34:26,314 --> 00:34:29,108
Uh, no, no, not yet.
734
00:34:29,192 --> 00:34:34,155
Um, what really got me thinking
was, all of a sudden,
735
00:34:34,238 --> 00:34:36,741
he wanted to start watching
Madeline McBride's show
736
00:34:36,824 --> 00:34:37,742
with me all of a sudden.
737
00:34:37,825 --> 00:34:40,578
Like, he never wanted
to watch that show before.
738
00:34:40,661 --> 00:34:43,664
He did not like her.
739
00:34:43,748 --> 00:34:44,832
No offense.
740
00:34:44,916 --> 00:34:47,877
I'm sorry. I-I love you,
and I love your show so much.
741
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,629
Go,
742
00:34:49,712 --> 00:34:51,107
- Quasimodo.
- Um...
743
00:34:51,214 --> 00:34:53,966
So, anyway, he started
watching it with me.
744
00:34:54,050 --> 00:34:56,344
And whenever
she'd bring up the case,
745
00:34:56,427 --> 00:34:59,972
he'd always say how he was
working in that neighborhood
746
00:35:00,056 --> 00:35:03,684
and he knew the house that
she was talking about, and...
747
00:35:03,768 --> 00:35:06,312
And did you know
your boyfriend was interested
748
00:35:06,395 --> 00:35:08,564
in prepubescent girls?
749
00:35:08,648 --> 00:35:11,234
I don't know.
750
00:35:12,568 --> 00:35:14,821
We never talked about it.
751
00:35:17,114 --> 00:35:22,119
But... whenever we were
at the beach or at the park...
752
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,582
...I thought
I always saw him looking.
753
00:35:28,584 --> 00:35:31,754
Then I thought
maybe it was just in my mind.
754
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:35,049
And what did you tell the police
when you called them?
755
00:35:35,132 --> 00:35:36,884
I knew from her show
756
00:35:36,968 --> 00:35:40,471
that Kaylee had DNA on her
that hadn't been identified.
757
00:35:40,555 --> 00:35:44,225
So, I called them,
and I offered Wayne's hairbrush.
758
00:35:44,308 --> 00:35:46,727
And how did you know to do that?
759
00:35:46,811 --> 00:35:47,895
From her show.
760
00:35:47,979 --> 00:35:50,773
She talked about how DNA
from a hairbrush caught a killer
761
00:35:50,857 --> 00:35:53,776
she was profiling
a couple years back.
762
00:35:54,402 --> 00:35:58,906
Well, it's lucky
you watched her show.
763
00:35:58,990 --> 00:36:00,491
Did you know that tips
764
00:36:00,575 --> 00:36:03,578
from Ms. McBride's viewers
have helped
765
00:36:03,661 --> 00:36:06,372
in solving
over one hundred cases
766
00:36:06,455 --> 00:36:08,749
since the show first aired?
767
00:36:08,833 --> 00:36:10,793
No.
768
00:36:10,877 --> 00:36:13,045
I just think she's really smart
769
00:36:13,129 --> 00:36:15,256
and cool.
770
00:36:15,339 --> 00:36:18,718
Just really good at her job.
771
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:21,637
Sanctuary.
772
00:36:37,194 --> 00:36:42,283
"Dear Danny James, you don't
know me, but my name is Devon.
773
00:36:42,366 --> 00:36:45,620
"Some years ago,
I got to know your father.
774
00:36:45,703 --> 00:36:48,623
"We met and fell
in love in New York,
775
00:36:48,706 --> 00:36:51,083
"and eventually, I convinced him
776
00:36:51,167 --> 00:36:55,129
"to come live with me
in Louisiana where I'm from.
777
00:36:55,212 --> 00:36:59,634
"I did not know at the time
about you or your mother.
778
00:36:59,717 --> 00:37:04,305
"Three months after we settled
down in Louisiana,
779
00:37:04,388 --> 00:37:07,767
"your father confessed to me
about the family he had left.
780
00:37:07,850 --> 00:37:10,770
"Told me that he could no longer
bear the guilt
781
00:37:10,853 --> 00:37:13,481
"and needed to go back to you.
782
00:37:13,564 --> 00:37:17,068
"I did not stand in his way.
783
00:37:17,151 --> 00:37:19,695
"He told me
when he got to New York,
784
00:37:19,779 --> 00:37:21,989
"your mother refused
to speak to him.
785
00:37:22,073 --> 00:37:24,659
"Warned him that if he
tried to make contact with you
786
00:37:24,742 --> 00:37:27,119
"that she would kill him.
787
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,332
"He told me he found
a small apartment
788
00:37:31,415 --> 00:37:33,668
"and got a job working
teaching physical education
789
00:37:33,751 --> 00:37:35,503
"at an art school.
790
00:37:35,586 --> 00:37:38,673
"Even taught himself to sketch.
791
00:37:38,756 --> 00:37:42,176
"Over the years he tried
to build up the courage
792
00:37:42,259 --> 00:37:44,178
"to reach out to you,
793
00:37:44,261 --> 00:37:46,681
"but he told me he was
so filled with guilt
794
00:37:46,764 --> 00:37:49,183
"and shame for leaving you,
795
00:37:49,266 --> 00:37:50,893
"he just couldn't do it.
796
00:37:50,977 --> 00:37:55,690
"And then one day,
he was looking out his window,
797
00:37:55,773 --> 00:37:57,191
"and there you were.
798
00:37:57,274 --> 00:37:58,359
"Walking by.
799
00:37:58,442 --> 00:37:59,962
"He figured you were probably
making your way home
800
00:37:59,986 --> 00:38:01,737
"from the police academy.
801
00:38:01,821 --> 00:38:05,658
"He said he saw you maybe ten
or 20 times from that window,
802
00:38:05,741 --> 00:38:07,493
"but then, no more.
803
00:38:08,577 --> 00:38:11,539
"I didn't hear from your father
again for many years.
804
00:38:11,622 --> 00:38:14,834
"And then about three weeks ago,
he called
805
00:38:14,917 --> 00:38:17,211
"to tell me he was very sick.
806
00:38:17,294 --> 00:38:20,047
"I flew to New York,
but by the time
807
00:38:20,131 --> 00:38:22,091
"I got there he was already
in the hospital.
808
00:38:22,174 --> 00:38:27,221
So I'm writing to let you
know what he told me.
809
00:38:27,304 --> 00:38:30,933
"That he wanted you to know
he was terribly sorry.
810
00:38:31,809 --> 00:38:33,728
"And he wanted you to know
811
00:38:33,811 --> 00:38:36,063
he loved you."
812
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:49,744
Jeremy Brennan's suicide is
813
00:38:49,827 --> 00:38:52,246
undeniably tragic.
814
00:38:52,329 --> 00:38:55,207
And no one will ever
know with certainty
815
00:38:55,291 --> 00:38:58,210
why he decided
to take his own life.
816
00:38:59,545 --> 00:39:02,381
But you know what we do know
with certainty?
817
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,593
That Kaylee's killer was caught.
818
00:39:05,676 --> 00:39:08,596
And that's,
at least in part, due
819
00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:10,765
to Madeline McBride...
820
00:39:10,848 --> 00:39:14,060
for keeping
Kaylee's story alive.
821
00:39:14,977 --> 00:39:18,272
But she was only able to do it
822
00:39:18,355 --> 00:39:22,109
because her freedom of speech
allowed her to do it.
823
00:39:22,193 --> 00:39:24,737
See, that's the tricky thing
about freedom of speech.
824
00:39:24,820 --> 00:39:26,572
It-it cuts both ways.
825
00:39:26,655 --> 00:39:29,450
See, people have the freedom
826
00:39:29,533 --> 00:39:32,787
to say whatever it is
they want to say.
827
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:35,664
And everyone else has
the freedom, uh,
828
00:39:35,748 --> 00:39:38,292
not to listen, not to believe
829
00:39:38,375 --> 00:39:40,127
and to do their own research
830
00:39:40,211 --> 00:39:42,463
and come up
with their own conclusions.
831
00:39:42,546 --> 00:39:44,632
I mean, that's
what Carla Cowley did.
832
00:39:44,715 --> 00:39:46,133
You heard her.
833
00:39:46,217 --> 00:39:48,177
She loved that woman.
834
00:39:48,260 --> 00:39:50,638
But she did not let the fact
835
00:39:50,721 --> 00:39:52,973
that for over a month, she heard
836
00:39:53,057 --> 00:39:56,477
Madeline McBride,
who thought that Jeremy Brennan
837
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:57,937
probably committed the murder,
838
00:39:58,020 --> 00:39:59,855
stop her from picking up
the phone
839
00:39:59,939 --> 00:40:02,483
and calling the police
when she was convinced
840
00:40:02,566 --> 00:40:05,152
my client was mistaken.
841
00:40:05,236 --> 00:40:07,029
Look, I...
842
00:40:07,113 --> 00:40:08,823
I get it.
843
00:40:08,906 --> 00:40:11,117
Okay? I get it. She was...
844
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,493
she was wrong.
845
00:40:12,576 --> 00:40:13,828
Wrong on the facts.
846
00:40:13,911 --> 00:40:15,621
Unnecessarily harsh.
847
00:40:15,704 --> 00:40:17,665
And there were times
I felt that she took
848
00:40:17,748 --> 00:40:19,792
way too much pleasure
849
00:40:19,875 --> 00:40:23,170
in her ongoing campaign
against Jeremy Brennan.
850
00:40:24,380 --> 00:40:25,881
But you know what?
851
00:40:25,965 --> 00:40:29,176
That is not against the law.
852
00:40:29,260 --> 00:40:31,679
And the problem is...
853
00:40:31,762 --> 00:40:33,806
if you don't stand up
854
00:40:33,889 --> 00:40:36,851
for the people you don't
necessarily agree with
855
00:40:36,934 --> 00:40:38,978
when someone is trying
to silence them,
856
00:40:39,061 --> 00:40:42,648
then there might not be
the right to free speech left
857
00:40:42,731 --> 00:40:46,318
when they go after the people
you do agree with.
858
00:40:46,402 --> 00:40:49,488
In the matter
of Tracy Brennan v.
859
00:40:49,572 --> 00:40:51,365
Madeline McBride and the claim
860
00:40:51,448 --> 00:40:53,993
of intentional infliction
of emotional distress...
861
00:40:54,076 --> 00:40:56,912
we, the jury,
find Madeline McBride
862
00:40:56,996 --> 00:40:58,683
liable.
863
00:41:00,791 --> 00:41:03,085
And we award
Tracy Brennan damages
864
00:41:03,169 --> 00:41:06,297
in the amount of two
and one half million dollars.
865
00:41:07,965 --> 00:41:09,609
Ladies and
gentlemen of the jury,
866
00:41:09,633 --> 00:41:11,385
thank you for your service.
867
00:41:11,469 --> 00:41:13,971
Court is adjourned.
868
00:41:16,974 --> 00:41:19,894
Ms. McBride. I'm very sorry.
869
00:41:19,977 --> 00:41:22,897
Don't be, you did your best.
870
00:41:25,649 --> 00:41:27,193
But you lost your job.
871
00:41:27,276 --> 00:41:29,129
You're about to get
a boatload of bad publicity.
872
00:41:29,153 --> 00:41:31,614
And today is gonna cost you
two and a half million dollars.
873
00:41:31,697 --> 00:41:33,741
Help me understand.
874
00:41:33,824 --> 00:41:35,826
You seem to have made your peace
875
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:38,078
with this rather quickly.
876
00:41:38,162 --> 00:41:40,289
Well, two and a half million?
877
00:41:40,372 --> 00:41:43,751
That's why God created
personal liability insurance.
878
00:41:43,834 --> 00:41:47,213
And the boatload of publicity?
879
00:41:47,296 --> 00:41:49,089
I love it.
880
00:41:49,173 --> 00:41:50,633
Good or bad,
881
00:41:50,716 --> 00:41:52,426
it keeps me in the zeitgeist.
882
00:41:52,509 --> 00:41:55,095
And it will come in handy
883
00:41:55,179 --> 00:41:57,806
when I sit down
to cut my new deal.
884
00:41:57,890 --> 00:42:00,351
A new deal?
885
00:42:02,853 --> 00:42:05,105
See, people like me?
886
00:42:05,189 --> 00:42:07,399
People who have
the courage to say
887
00:42:07,483 --> 00:42:10,778
what everyone else is thinking
even if we're wrong?
888
00:42:10,861 --> 00:42:14,448
We always draw a big crowd.
889
00:42:14,531 --> 00:42:16,659
And trust me,
890
00:42:16,742 --> 00:42:19,036
after today...
891
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:21,497
the crowd will only
be bigger, huh?
892
00:42:21,580 --> 00:42:23,999
Thank you, gentlemen.
893
00:42:24,083 --> 00:42:25,501
Don't forget
to send me your bill.
894
00:42:25,525 --> 00:42:27,525
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