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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:04,754 --> 00:00:08,087 (soft electronic music) 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:12,040 --> 00:00:13,800 - [Matt] Agriculture in the world of tomorrow 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:15,040 will be so mechanized 6 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,910 that farms will actually resemble factories. 7 00:00:17,910 --> 00:00:21,180 Crops and livestock will be raised on regular schedules 8 00:00:21,180 --> 00:00:24,290 under uniform and carefully controlled conditions. 9 00:00:24,290 --> 00:00:26,920 Sensors, those automatic control devices 10 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:28,660 for today's wonder machines, 11 00:00:28,660 --> 00:00:30,400 will be adapted to the requirements 12 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,440 of precision agriculture. 13 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,690 They will take the place of human judgment 14 00:00:34,690 --> 00:00:37,600 in deciding and reacting to soil conditions, 15 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,920 crop maturity, moisture levels, 16 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,940 weather forecasting, feeding needs, et cetera. 17 00:00:42,940 --> 00:00:45,320 Bendix researcher W.E. Kock 18 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,350 has reported that instruments to do this 19 00:00:47,350 --> 00:00:50,010 already exist or will soon be developed. 20 00:00:50,010 --> 00:00:52,680 The final part of the job for tomorrow's farms 21 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,600 will involve the packaging of the grown foodstuffs 22 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,240 and their shipment to market, 23 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,483 accomplished just as automatically as the growing itself. 24 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,540 - [Interviewer] Do we have something like that today? 25 00:01:03,540 --> 00:01:05,290 - It's not as streamlined 26 00:01:05,290 --> 00:01:08,500 as the monorail that's zooming overhead. 27 00:01:08,500 --> 00:01:10,080 I think what's fascinating 28 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,080 about these past predictions of the future 29 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,540 is that examples like the factory farm 30 00:01:15,540 --> 00:01:18,330 showed just how spot on some of these predictions could be. 31 00:01:18,330 --> 00:01:21,343 It's just not necessarily in the form that we saw them in. 32 00:01:22,220 --> 00:01:24,740 What kind of influence can a comic strip have? 33 00:01:24,740 --> 00:01:27,400 Well, it can have an outsized influence 34 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,980 when it seeps into the broader culture 35 00:01:29,980 --> 00:01:31,750 of something like The Jetsons. 36 00:01:31,750 --> 00:01:34,680 Again, what kind of influence can a cartoon have? 37 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,720 Well, Tim Cook, just a few years ago, 38 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,827 held up his iPhone during an interview and said, 39 00:01:39,827 --> 00:01:41,920 "This is The Jetsons." 40 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,650 Well, iPhone and all kinds of Apple products 41 00:01:45,650 --> 00:01:47,960 are direct descendants of The Jetsons, 42 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,520 which is a direct descendant of Closer Than We Think. 43 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,030 These futures are all connected in such a way 44 00:01:54,030 --> 00:01:57,440 that they're all aspirational things. 45 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,720 They're the way that we want to see the world 46 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,317 and they have to exist before we can make them that way. 47 00:02:04,345 --> 00:02:07,262 (futuristic music) 48 00:03:58,630 --> 00:04:01,430 - We had a huge loft space down in Old City Philadelphia, 49 00:04:01,430 --> 00:04:03,700 across from Ben Franklin's house. 50 00:04:03,700 --> 00:04:06,840 And it was really wild and the rent was really cheap 51 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:08,480 and I had a moving company. 52 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:09,750 And we had this big space. 53 00:04:09,750 --> 00:04:11,920 Up front was our archive and research library. 54 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,920 In the back, was the office for the moving company. 55 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,040 And in the middle was all this exhibition space. 56 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,540 At one point, doing salvage work for fun 57 00:04:21,540 --> 00:04:23,600 at a place that was closing down, a photographer, 58 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,630 a commercial photographer in Philadelphia in Center City. 59 00:04:26,630 --> 00:04:28,520 So instead of buying these individually, 60 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,560 I was pulling them all into one big pile. 61 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,420 And I kept grabbing boxes of negatives 62 00:04:32,420 --> 00:04:33,500 and throwing them in the pile. 63 00:04:33,500 --> 00:04:35,620 And he said, "What do you want with those negatives?" 64 00:04:35,620 --> 00:04:37,927 I said, "I don't know, but I want to have them 65 00:04:37,927 --> 00:04:38,967 "because you're gonna throw them out." 66 00:04:38,967 --> 00:04:41,290 And he says, "Well, you can't use them for anything." 67 00:04:41,290 --> 00:04:42,820 Said, "It doesn't matter." 68 00:04:42,820 --> 00:04:46,760 And they were all large format negs, the 4x5 negs, 69 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,500 and there were thousands and thousands 70 00:04:48,500 --> 00:04:52,953 and thousands of them in endless mid-size boxes. 71 00:04:54,170 --> 00:04:56,227 So I bought the whole pile of things from him 72 00:04:56,227 --> 00:04:58,110 and one of the kids who was working for me there, 73 00:04:58,110 --> 00:05:01,063 was not work for him and he could see that that was coming. 74 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,360 And he needed some more work. 75 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:04,850 He didn't have any other job lined up. 76 00:05:04,850 --> 00:05:05,697 He says, "Well, tell you what? 77 00:05:05,697 --> 00:05:07,567 "How about if I organize all those negatives 78 00:05:07,567 --> 00:05:10,310 "that are in the back of the space on the shelves?" 79 00:05:10,310 --> 00:05:12,770 Well, a few days into it, 80 00:05:12,770 --> 00:05:15,870 he came up and threw down on this one light table 81 00:05:15,870 --> 00:05:20,870 these very large format, more 8-1/2 x 11 size negatives. 82 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,760 He says, "I think you need to see these," 83 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,270 and he put them down on the table. 84 00:05:27,270 --> 00:05:29,814 And it was the work of Arthur Radebaugh. 85 00:05:29,814 --> 00:05:32,564 (ethereal music) 86 00:05:34,570 --> 00:05:38,053 I absolutely exploded with joy. 87 00:05:42,170 --> 00:05:43,480 It was amazing work. 88 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,071 You could tell in an instant. 89 00:05:45,071 --> 00:05:47,821 (ethereal music) 90 00:05:53,387 --> 00:05:56,210 And the feeling, looking across this big light table 91 00:05:56,210 --> 00:05:58,243 and seeing all this futuristic imagery, 92 00:06:02,710 --> 00:06:04,452 yesterday's vision of the future. 93 00:06:04,452 --> 00:06:07,202 (ethereal music) 94 00:06:11,310 --> 00:06:13,210 But all images I'd never seen before. 95 00:06:13,210 --> 00:06:14,640 That's the thing. 96 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,490 In my world and in my taste and in my collecting, 97 00:06:17,490 --> 00:06:18,960 we had lots of that sort of thing, 98 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,360 but it would be science fiction covers 99 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,390 and pulp magazine covers and that sort of thing. 100 00:06:24,390 --> 00:06:26,540 But I'd never seen any of these. 101 00:06:26,540 --> 00:06:30,330 And then there was one that was a clue, 102 00:06:30,330 --> 00:06:35,050 just similar in style, to a Motor cover that we had. 103 00:06:35,050 --> 00:06:38,210 And I saw the signature that said Radebaugh on the negative 104 00:06:38,210 --> 00:06:39,680 and we went into the collection 105 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,140 and pulled out the Motor covers, 106 00:06:41,140 --> 00:06:43,350 and sure enough, that was his work. 107 00:06:43,350 --> 00:06:46,100 So we had somebody, we had somebody, 108 00:06:46,100 --> 00:06:48,280 we had a name to work with. 109 00:06:48,280 --> 00:06:49,660 The instant I saw them, 110 00:06:49,660 --> 00:06:51,310 I decided there was going to be an exhibit. 111 00:06:51,310 --> 00:06:53,210 The instant they were on that table. 112 00:06:53,210 --> 00:06:57,360 Originally, we had planned to do an exhibit 113 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,193 just of the negs as they were, but larger. 114 00:07:01,510 --> 00:07:03,600 That was a great idea, 115 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,090 but the practicality of it wasn't there 116 00:07:06,090 --> 00:07:08,820 'cause they weren't as exciting 117 00:07:08,820 --> 00:07:11,150 when they weren't popping somehow. 118 00:07:11,150 --> 00:07:13,620 Something was flat. And some of them, in our equipment, 119 00:07:13,620 --> 00:07:16,253 were defaulting to certain pale colors, 120 00:07:17,210 --> 00:07:18,530 and there was some excitement there. 121 00:07:18,530 --> 00:07:20,030 So that sort of kicked the doors open 122 00:07:20,030 --> 00:07:22,580 and we decided to colorize some of them because we can 123 00:07:22,580 --> 00:07:23,540 and because it was ours 124 00:07:23,540 --> 00:07:25,490 and because there was no one to say no. 125 00:07:26,470 --> 00:07:28,740 And we presented those in that way. 126 00:07:28,740 --> 00:07:30,090 And we decided to go ahead 127 00:07:30,090 --> 00:07:32,550 and put together an exhibit and set a date. 128 00:07:32,550 --> 00:07:36,730 At that point, one of the local punk rock kids 129 00:07:36,730 --> 00:07:41,180 who appeared on the scene was a young Jared Rosenbaum. 130 00:07:41,180 --> 00:07:44,090 He was not interested in working for the moving company. 131 00:07:44,090 --> 00:07:47,330 He was interested in taking some of what we had 132 00:07:47,330 --> 00:07:48,750 and doing something with it. 133 00:07:48,750 --> 00:07:49,583 And he did. 134 00:07:49,583 --> 00:07:50,737 He took the project and ran with it 135 00:07:50,737 --> 00:07:52,984 and it was an awful lot of fun. 136 00:07:52,984 --> 00:07:54,530 - Radebaugh came onto the scene with a bang. 137 00:07:54,530 --> 00:07:55,680 It was kind of amazing. 138 00:07:56,610 --> 00:07:59,823 There he was, a really young fellow in his 20s, 139 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,490 in the Depression, basically, just scraping by, 140 00:08:05,490 --> 00:08:09,320 making peanuts decorating candy boxes and stuff like that. 141 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:13,990 And then somebody within the company he's working for 142 00:08:13,990 --> 00:08:17,390 sees his work and was like, "I'm gonna be your agent," 143 00:08:17,390 --> 00:08:19,897 and comes back to Radebaugh one day and says, 144 00:08:19,897 --> 00:08:21,717 "I just sold one of your pieces of artwork 145 00:08:21,717 --> 00:08:24,297 "to Motor Magazine for $450." 146 00:08:24,297 --> 00:08:28,590 And if you think about 1935 and $450, 147 00:08:28,590 --> 00:08:30,303 I went back and checked that 'cause I was like, 148 00:08:30,303 --> 00:08:33,140 "No, that number can't be right, that is so much money." 149 00:08:33,140 --> 00:08:35,570 Before that, he was making like $25 a week. 150 00:08:35,570 --> 00:08:39,270 - We started to put together a website 151 00:08:39,270 --> 00:08:42,670 about Arthur Radebaugh, the futurist illustrator. 152 00:08:42,670 --> 00:08:45,340 We showed the negatives that we had. 153 00:08:45,340 --> 00:08:49,250 And because I'm such an insane 154 00:08:49,250 --> 00:08:52,690 and voracious paper collector, 155 00:08:52,690 --> 00:08:57,460 it suddenly gave me a new focus to attack all the time. 156 00:08:57,460 --> 00:09:00,663 I mean, I was in get mode. 157 00:09:01,500 --> 00:09:04,323 And so, if he was on one Motor cover, 158 00:09:04,323 --> 00:09:06,123 then we looked at every Motor cover. 159 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,710 If we found an advertisement for a particular company, 160 00:09:10,710 --> 00:09:13,583 then we found all the ads from that company. 161 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,980 And so we were able to build a visual body of work. 162 00:09:17,980 --> 00:09:19,570 - When the United States got involved 163 00:09:19,570 --> 00:09:21,620 in World War II in the 1940s, 164 00:09:21,620 --> 00:09:23,510 he went and served in the Army. 165 00:09:23,510 --> 00:09:27,670 - In the Pentagon, apparently, designing weaponry 166 00:09:27,670 --> 00:09:31,360 and designing ordinance, designing innovative but practical 167 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,680 implements that the Army could use. 168 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:35,470 There's some information about things 169 00:09:35,470 --> 00:09:37,480 that he was involved in. 170 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,780 He did blacklight panels for inside of vehicles 171 00:09:40,780 --> 00:09:44,330 so that the driver could see their instrument panels, 172 00:09:44,330 --> 00:09:47,210 but they couldn't be seen by the enemy. 173 00:09:47,210 --> 00:09:50,850 He designed, apparently, the shapes of some Army vehicles, 174 00:09:50,850 --> 00:09:52,980 like a personnel carrier or a tank. 175 00:09:52,980 --> 00:09:55,070 He may have done all kinds of stuff there, 176 00:09:55,070 --> 00:09:57,370 but it's been kind of opaque to us to find. 177 00:09:57,370 --> 00:09:58,410 I think we can only guess 178 00:09:58,410 --> 00:10:01,650 that he was prolifically churning out imaginations, 179 00:10:01,650 --> 00:10:03,600 but how much of that was taken seriously 180 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,053 and actually implemented? 181 00:10:06,430 --> 00:10:09,150 - After World War II, Radebaugh went back to Michigan 182 00:10:09,150 --> 00:10:12,690 and worked for everyone from Coca-Cola 183 00:10:12,690 --> 00:10:16,070 to the big three automakers in Detroit. 184 00:10:16,070 --> 00:10:19,110 - [Rachel] He does illustrations for William Stout's Scarab. 185 00:10:19,110 --> 00:10:23,940 He does ad work for Studebaker, Bendix, Nash, 186 00:10:23,940 --> 00:10:28,940 United Airlines, Hastings Piston Rings, Dodge, 187 00:10:29,660 --> 00:10:32,830 he does a menu cover for Burlington Zephyr, 188 00:10:32,830 --> 00:10:36,940 which is a train line, and Motor Magazine. 189 00:10:36,940 --> 00:10:38,680 - [Jared] I want to call those images fiery. 190 00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:42,152 They are so colorful and they're so abstracted 191 00:10:42,152 --> 00:10:44,860 and they're so just like levitating in space. 192 00:10:44,860 --> 00:10:48,210 - [Rachel] Or it's on a drawing board and out the window. 193 00:10:48,210 --> 00:10:53,180 You can see the city looks like it's two miles below 194 00:10:53,180 --> 00:10:55,270 the artist's studio. 195 00:10:55,270 --> 00:10:57,360 - And then you move into the post-war era 196 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,300 and maybe people had just had had 197 00:10:59,300 --> 00:11:00,960 so much grimness during the war 198 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,740 that they just wanted to be liberated from it all. 199 00:11:03,740 --> 00:11:08,127 But the new sentiment and feeling in advertising, 200 00:11:08,127 --> 00:11:10,450 it's just like happy, smiling, 201 00:11:10,450 --> 00:11:12,370 everybody's got this big grin. 202 00:11:12,370 --> 00:11:13,493 He definitely doesn't have that 203 00:11:13,493 --> 00:11:15,810 sort of like magnificent grimness 204 00:11:15,810 --> 00:11:18,240 of his early Motor Magazine covers. 205 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,370 And then especially when he works his way 206 00:11:20,370 --> 00:11:23,080 into syndicated, like Closer Than We Think, 207 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:24,330 some of the column work, 208 00:11:24,330 --> 00:11:26,890 it becomes a lot more like a Sunday funny, 209 00:11:26,890 --> 00:11:29,940 so that's partially a product of that's what it is, 210 00:11:29,940 --> 00:11:32,470 but it also, I think, really reflects the time, 211 00:11:32,470 --> 00:11:34,477 which was a lot more kind of like 212 00:11:34,477 --> 00:11:37,250 the future is going to be happy 213 00:11:37,250 --> 00:11:39,320 and everybody's going to be really affluent 214 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:40,190 and we're all gonna live 215 00:11:40,190 --> 00:11:42,400 in these big, sterile bubble houses 216 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:46,620 and everybody is gonna be very white and very smiling 217 00:11:46,620 --> 00:11:48,760 and very gleaming at all times. 218 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,790 And you don't necessarily get that feeling 219 00:11:50,790 --> 00:11:52,160 from his work in the '30s. 220 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,240 Sure, like the lines are really aerodynamic, 221 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,230 but just also this art deco quality to it. 222 00:11:56,230 --> 00:12:00,170 And there's just this intensity to the colors 223 00:12:00,170 --> 00:12:03,150 that I think really changes, the palette changes, 224 00:12:03,150 --> 00:12:05,070 as you move through his career. 225 00:12:05,070 --> 00:12:07,690 - He was highly successful in the 1930s, 226 00:12:07,690 --> 00:12:09,930 but the 1930s has a different attitude 227 00:12:09,930 --> 00:12:11,410 than the post-war years. 228 00:12:11,410 --> 00:12:13,520 1930s is about progress. 229 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,900 Look how far we've actually come. 230 00:12:15,900 --> 00:12:19,510 And that was a very, very popular promoted idea 231 00:12:19,510 --> 00:12:20,610 through the 1930s. 232 00:12:20,610 --> 00:12:21,860 So there's certainly an idea of 233 00:12:21,860 --> 00:12:24,850 well, we've come this far, how far can we go? 234 00:12:24,850 --> 00:12:28,300 But it wasn't quite the same as what happened after the war. 235 00:12:28,300 --> 00:12:31,920 During World War II, you had so many people become 236 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,950 completely in touch with technology and science 237 00:12:34,950 --> 00:12:36,100 that they had never experienced before. 238 00:12:36,100 --> 00:12:38,490 You have women working in factories 239 00:12:38,490 --> 00:12:40,940 doing blueprint drawings and machine shop 240 00:12:40,940 --> 00:12:42,460 and welding and riveting. 241 00:12:42,460 --> 00:12:44,300 You have men who were in the military 242 00:12:44,300 --> 00:12:45,890 who were experiencing radar 243 00:12:45,890 --> 00:12:48,970 and they're being handed extremely advanced airplanes 244 00:12:48,970 --> 00:12:52,640 and they're learning about jet technology and other things. 245 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,730 So the post-war America was really in tune with technology 246 00:12:56,730 --> 00:12:59,110 and science like they'd never been before. 247 00:12:59,110 --> 00:13:00,340 Men and women. 248 00:13:00,340 --> 00:13:05,040 Radebaugh, although he had clearly had a bent for the future 249 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,920 before the war, you could see he's doing futuristic cities 250 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:09,260 for some of his ads. 251 00:13:09,260 --> 00:13:13,440 When he became syndicated, it really comes together. 252 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:14,680 There's no doubt, it really comes together 253 00:13:14,680 --> 00:13:17,500 with Can You Imagine, which was just the perfect timing 254 00:13:17,500 --> 00:13:19,310 in the 1940s right after the war 255 00:13:19,310 --> 00:13:22,310 because people were so in love with this idea of 256 00:13:22,310 --> 00:13:25,083 technological utopia more than ever before. 257 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,540 - He found an avenue, 258 00:13:27,540 --> 00:13:29,930 his cartoon strip, Can You Imagine, 259 00:13:29,930 --> 00:13:32,200 to have a continuous career. 260 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,370 Because what happened in the marketplace 261 00:13:35,370 --> 00:13:39,990 was, once you were not marketable to the studios, 262 00:13:39,990 --> 00:13:43,530 you were let go or you were given less work, 263 00:13:43,530 --> 00:13:46,370 and then you were more or less phased out. 264 00:13:46,370 --> 00:13:49,653 This allowed him some type of direction in his career. 265 00:13:50,770 --> 00:13:55,770 - It's clearly in the style of the late 1940s. 266 00:13:56,294 --> 00:13:58,730 It's almost stoic. 267 00:13:58,730 --> 00:14:03,550 It has that rather dry, but very aspirational 268 00:14:03,550 --> 00:14:05,940 concept vehicle look. 269 00:14:05,940 --> 00:14:07,970 Closer Than We Think is much more playful. 270 00:14:07,970 --> 00:14:10,970 Obviously, Closer Than We Think as a Sunday funny strip, 271 00:14:10,970 --> 00:14:13,210 it's a little bit more tongue-in-cheek. 272 00:14:13,210 --> 00:14:15,130 It's a little bit more fun. 273 00:14:15,130 --> 00:14:18,300 Whereas Can You Imagine is a little more buttoned down. 274 00:14:18,300 --> 00:14:21,610 It's got its bow tie on and its hair combed. 275 00:14:21,610 --> 00:14:24,510 It's got that look of something 276 00:14:24,510 --> 00:14:26,630 that's a little more antiseptic 277 00:14:26,630 --> 00:14:29,300 and it's ready for primetime, 278 00:14:29,300 --> 00:14:31,580 even though it's still a futuristic, 279 00:14:31,580 --> 00:14:33,650 utopian vision of the future. 280 00:14:33,650 --> 00:14:38,000 And I think that that's coming out of the time period. 281 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,120 It's coming out of World War II. 282 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,060 And it doesn't mean that it's not still fun, 283 00:14:43,060 --> 00:14:47,930 but once we get to the late 1950s and early 1960s, 284 00:14:47,930 --> 00:14:50,860 Radebaugh, where he's doing Closer Than We Think 285 00:14:50,860 --> 00:14:55,860 and you have these just amazing streamlined cars, 286 00:14:56,050 --> 00:14:58,230 it's just a lot more playful. 287 00:14:58,230 --> 00:15:03,230 It's not quite as rigid and almost militaristic. 288 00:15:03,710 --> 00:15:05,990 - The Closer Than We Think work, 289 00:15:05,990 --> 00:15:08,810 we found a couple of pieces of it. 290 00:15:08,810 --> 00:15:11,793 But fairly early into our process, 291 00:15:12,770 --> 00:15:14,900 we were contacted by someone 292 00:15:14,900 --> 00:15:19,800 who had managed to acquire somebody else's scrapbooks 293 00:15:20,830 --> 00:15:22,350 of Radebaugh things. 294 00:15:22,350 --> 00:15:24,240 Kids used to cut things out all the time 295 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,520 and stick them into scrapbooks. 296 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,260 So why not Radebaugh? 297 00:15:28,260 --> 00:15:30,800 You know, some kid was doing that every week 298 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:31,973 about the future. 299 00:15:32,870 --> 00:15:35,760 And so this fellow was able to acquire that 300 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,070 and then suddenly had a collection, 301 00:15:38,070 --> 00:15:40,330 which he then continued to build on. 302 00:15:40,330 --> 00:15:41,570 So he got in touch with us 303 00:15:41,570 --> 00:15:43,360 and was able to provide those for us 304 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,370 and that was a real eye opener as well. 305 00:15:46,370 --> 00:15:50,730 Imagine if your career is illustration 306 00:15:50,730 --> 00:15:52,570 in a world that couldn't get enough 307 00:15:52,570 --> 00:15:55,130 really good illustration for magazines, 308 00:15:55,130 --> 00:15:57,570 for covers, for ads, 309 00:15:57,570 --> 00:15:59,970 and to suddenly have that all disappear, 310 00:15:59,970 --> 00:16:02,900 because we were into photography, all of a sudden. 311 00:16:02,900 --> 00:16:05,210 It happened practically overnight. 312 00:16:05,210 --> 00:16:09,980 Before, photography in advertising was just not done. 313 00:16:09,980 --> 00:16:12,023 It seemed third rate. 314 00:16:13,490 --> 00:16:15,370 And then, all of a sudden, it was accepted. 315 00:16:15,370 --> 00:16:17,490 And it was just like having the whole rug 316 00:16:17,490 --> 00:16:18,500 pulled out from underneath him. 317 00:16:18,500 --> 00:16:23,500 So he then reinvented himself as this Sunday funnies guy. 318 00:16:25,010 --> 00:16:27,220 - The first edition of Closer Than We Think 319 00:16:27,220 --> 00:16:29,410 ran in January 1958. 320 00:16:29,410 --> 00:16:34,190 No coincidence that Sputnik launched in October of 1957. 321 00:16:34,190 --> 00:16:37,350 The first manmade artificial satellite, 322 00:16:37,350 --> 00:16:39,120 launched by the Soviet Union. 323 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,500 The first strip was actually about manmade satellites. 324 00:16:42,500 --> 00:16:43,920 I mean, that's what fascinates me about it 325 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,460 is that Closer Than We Think was pristine, 326 00:16:47,460 --> 00:16:49,780 artifact of the Cold War, in that respect. 327 00:16:49,780 --> 00:16:53,740 It was a direct response by the United States 328 00:16:53,740 --> 00:16:58,740 to get kids interested in science through the funny pages. 329 00:16:59,010 --> 00:17:02,650 We kind of forget that the Sunday funnies 330 00:17:02,650 --> 00:17:06,380 was this popular medium, especially in the 1950s, 331 00:17:06,380 --> 00:17:08,280 that everyone read. 332 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,390 And Closer Than We Think, as this techno-utopian 333 00:17:11,390 --> 00:17:14,410 vision of tomorrow, gives kids this 334 00:17:14,410 --> 00:17:17,540 not only educational futurism, if you will, 335 00:17:17,540 --> 00:17:22,520 but this sort of rally around what the future could be like 336 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:23,690 against the Soviets, 337 00:17:23,690 --> 00:17:27,970 if it's satellites or even streamlined cars. 338 00:17:27,970 --> 00:17:30,190 It's a very Americanized vision 339 00:17:30,190 --> 00:17:32,787 of what the future is gonna look like. 340 00:17:32,787 --> 00:17:35,000 - It was an exuberant expectation 341 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,530 of the future that was gonna come true 342 00:17:36,530 --> 00:17:39,660 like all these drawings were showing people. 343 00:17:39,660 --> 00:17:41,840 We were gonna ride around in self-driving cars. 344 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:43,360 Now it's coming true. 345 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:45,050 We were gonna ride around in cars 346 00:17:45,050 --> 00:17:48,660 that were sort of big glass canopy teardrops and things. 347 00:17:48,660 --> 00:17:52,820 And the exuberance of the technological expectation 348 00:17:52,820 --> 00:17:55,900 was really quite wonderful. 349 00:17:55,900 --> 00:17:58,500 - There was kind of a technological optimism 350 00:17:58,500 --> 00:18:00,230 based on the fact that we had just figured out 351 00:18:00,230 --> 00:18:03,000 how to crack the atom. 352 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,650 There was an idea that we were gonna be able to 353 00:18:06,650 --> 00:18:09,160 make technological advances, 354 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,460 which even started to appear in industrial design. 355 00:18:12,460 --> 00:18:15,130 Cars started trying to look futuristic. 356 00:18:15,130 --> 00:18:17,880 Toasters started trying to look futuristic. 357 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:22,230 And Radebaugh, in his drawing career, 358 00:18:22,230 --> 00:18:24,478 was part of that movement. 359 00:18:24,478 --> 00:18:26,150 There were many other people 360 00:18:26,150 --> 00:18:28,150 drawing futuristic looking cars. 361 00:18:28,150 --> 00:18:30,730 His were among the better examples of that. 362 00:18:30,730 --> 00:18:33,680 So he was used to the idea of thinking about 363 00:18:34,710 --> 00:18:37,300 where is design gonna go, where is technology gonna go. 364 00:18:37,300 --> 00:18:40,700 And when he had the idea of Closer Than We Think, 365 00:18:40,700 --> 00:18:43,690 he somehow knew enough about industrial design 366 00:18:43,690 --> 00:18:47,190 and automotive design and technology 367 00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:48,560 to be able to make some great guesses 368 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,640 about where things might be heading 369 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,350 and what might be possible in the future 370 00:18:52,350 --> 00:18:55,190 if somebody took the time to actually build it. 371 00:18:55,190 --> 00:18:57,130 - A lot of Radebaugh's stuff came true 372 00:18:57,130 --> 00:18:59,750 because he was really 373 00:18:59,750 --> 00:19:03,370 working from this very practical starting point. 374 00:19:03,370 --> 00:19:06,550 And so you could really go a couple decades into the future 375 00:19:06,550 --> 00:19:08,910 or maybe sometimes, more or less, 376 00:19:08,910 --> 00:19:13,910 and see that he was tapped into actual product development 377 00:19:14,310 --> 00:19:17,173 and he was thinking through, sometimes, 378 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,800 really big picture things and sometimes really small things, 379 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:22,810 like the TV watch. 380 00:19:22,810 --> 00:19:24,008 There was a trajectory there 381 00:19:24,008 --> 00:19:27,000 and it was just kind of based around this real thing. 382 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,083 - It's very hard to predict the future. 383 00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:32,750 If you look at the history of predictions, 384 00:19:32,750 --> 00:19:34,690 it isn't very encouraging. 385 00:19:34,690 --> 00:19:37,460 A year or two before the Wright Brothers, 386 00:19:37,460 --> 00:19:39,963 most people were saying flight's impossible. 387 00:19:41,550 --> 00:19:44,140 Nobody predicted the internet. 388 00:19:44,140 --> 00:19:47,870 Self-driving cars now seem like they're inevitable. 389 00:19:47,870 --> 00:19:50,330 Again, if you go back just 10 years, 390 00:19:50,330 --> 00:19:52,130 anybody who knew anything about this 391 00:19:52,130 --> 00:19:55,120 was saying that computers will never be able 392 00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:57,470 to navigate streets like this. 393 00:19:57,470 --> 00:19:59,290 So it's hard to make specific predictions, 394 00:19:59,290 --> 00:20:01,790 but if you look at long-term trends, 395 00:20:01,790 --> 00:20:05,520 what you can see is that, over decades or centuries, 396 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,120 you can predict that human lifespans 397 00:20:08,120 --> 00:20:09,660 will continue to get longer. 398 00:20:09,660 --> 00:20:12,760 You can predict that economic growth 399 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,280 will keep pulling people out of poverty. 400 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,180 You can predict that everyone on the planet 401 00:20:18,180 --> 00:20:19,610 will be connected to the internet, 402 00:20:19,610 --> 00:20:22,240 which means that all those billions of brains 403 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,210 that, so far, haven't been able to contribute 404 00:20:24,210 --> 00:20:27,090 to human culture will be able to. 405 00:20:27,090 --> 00:20:28,690 Those kinds of predictions, you can make 406 00:20:28,690 --> 00:20:31,620 because you're looking at the long-term and trends, 407 00:20:31,620 --> 00:20:32,960 but making a specific prediction 408 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,640 about a specific piece of technology is really hard, 409 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,670 which is why what Radebaugh has done, 410 00:20:39,670 --> 00:20:41,820 or what Radebaugh did was so amazing 411 00:20:41,820 --> 00:20:46,053 and kind of unbelievable when you take a look at it. 412 00:20:47,390 --> 00:20:49,310 - Doctors are looking ahead to the time 413 00:20:49,310 --> 00:20:51,870 when manmade substitutes will replace 414 00:20:51,870 --> 00:20:54,060 many sections of the human body. 415 00:20:54,060 --> 00:20:56,470 And in tomorrow's world, hospitals may stock 416 00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:58,630 many synthetic human parts, 417 00:20:58,630 --> 00:21:01,520 just as they have blood and bone banks today. 418 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,840 Tiny valves now used in space mechanisms 419 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,500 will strengthen defective hearts. 420 00:21:07,500 --> 00:21:09,400 Plastic meshes are being tested 421 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,510 to reinforce weak chest and abdominal walls. 422 00:21:12,510 --> 00:21:15,100 Other plastics are undergoing experimentation 423 00:21:15,100 --> 00:21:19,380 as trellises along which arteries will rebuild themselves. 424 00:21:19,380 --> 00:21:22,440 Hospitals of the future may well be warehouses 425 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,990 of spare human parts as well as headquarters 426 00:21:24,990 --> 00:21:26,700 for installing them. 427 00:21:26,700 --> 00:21:28,010 Fascinating. 428 00:21:28,010 --> 00:21:30,310 To be honest, it's mostly true. 429 00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:35,037 It's not true yet, but the root towards it 430 00:21:35,900 --> 00:21:38,920 is uncannily accurately described here. 431 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,950 The idea of having organ banks, 432 00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:43,050 places where organs are stored 433 00:21:43,050 --> 00:21:45,970 for transplantation into people, 434 00:21:45,970 --> 00:21:48,000 is something that doesn't exist yet, 435 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,560 but people are certainly working on it, 436 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,950 and in fact, a company that we spat out just last year, 437 00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:57,130 that company is actually developing exactly that thing 438 00:21:57,130 --> 00:21:59,800 based on a technological breakthrough that they made 439 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,970 that is going to make it much more possible 440 00:22:02,970 --> 00:22:04,620 to cryo-preserve organs, 441 00:22:04,620 --> 00:22:06,380 to take an organ from a donor 442 00:22:06,380 --> 00:22:11,070 and to reduce it to, let's say liquid nitrogen temperatures, 443 00:22:11,070 --> 00:22:13,340 in a manner that does not damage it and, therefore, 444 00:22:13,340 --> 00:22:15,240 that allows it to be warmed up again later 445 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,550 and given to someone. 446 00:22:16,550 --> 00:22:18,620 That's a technology that we absolutely, 447 00:22:18,620 --> 00:22:20,800 vitally need in organ transplantation 448 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,980 because, at the moment, if you can't freeze an organ 449 00:22:23,980 --> 00:22:25,910 when you take it out of somebody, 450 00:22:25,910 --> 00:22:28,250 it only lasts for a few hours, and that's not enough. 451 00:22:28,250 --> 00:22:30,190 If we talk about the next paragraph, 452 00:22:30,190 --> 00:22:32,900 valves that might strengthen defective hearts 453 00:22:32,900 --> 00:22:35,500 and the meshes to reinforce things, 454 00:22:35,500 --> 00:22:37,970 these things are, indeed, already happening. 455 00:22:37,970 --> 00:22:40,020 The whole field of tissue engineering, 456 00:22:40,020 --> 00:22:42,110 which kind of started to emerge 457 00:22:42,110 --> 00:22:44,480 maybe 30 years after this was written 458 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,230 and which had a bunch of false starts, actually, 459 00:22:47,230 --> 00:22:48,920 that field is now really burgeoning 460 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,570 with a number of very promising 461 00:22:51,570 --> 00:22:53,640 and successful companies in that space. 462 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,970 And again, these things are really moving forward. 463 00:22:55,970 --> 00:22:57,290 Of course, things have changed 464 00:22:57,290 --> 00:23:00,630 with different materials that are being used keep improving. 465 00:23:00,630 --> 00:23:04,497 The ways in which we create these valves 466 00:23:04,497 --> 00:23:08,570 and these trellises, as this thing calls them, have changed, 467 00:23:08,570 --> 00:23:10,690 but the general concept is pretty much exactly 468 00:23:10,690 --> 00:23:12,050 what this paragraph describes. 469 00:23:12,050 --> 00:23:12,923 It's uncanny. 470 00:23:15,610 --> 00:23:20,570 - We had this whole web of people who had known him, 471 00:23:20,570 --> 00:23:22,890 who are now old, but had known them when they were young 472 00:23:22,890 --> 00:23:26,620 working in this illustration house in Detroit. 473 00:23:26,620 --> 00:23:29,250 - New Center Studios arises out of this sort of 474 00:23:29,250 --> 00:23:33,350 post-war surge in the automobile industry in Detroit 475 00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:37,240 where, before the war, maybe all the companies 476 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,210 would put out essentially one automobile 477 00:23:39,210 --> 00:23:40,500 and then it'd be like the high end 478 00:23:40,500 --> 00:23:42,230 and low end version of that. 479 00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:46,500 After the war, they try to target all the available markets 480 00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:48,807 and they make very different marks within the company, 481 00:23:48,807 --> 00:23:51,450 its different brands, different automobiles come out. 482 00:23:51,450 --> 00:23:55,330 And concomitantly, there's this surge in advertising 483 00:23:55,330 --> 00:23:58,100 and brochures to get at all these different markets of 484 00:23:58,100 --> 00:24:00,100 everybody should have an automobile, and ideally, 485 00:24:00,100 --> 00:24:03,390 everybody would be buying a new one every two years. 486 00:24:03,390 --> 00:24:06,050 And so the commercial art world in Detroit 487 00:24:06,050 --> 00:24:07,670 just kind of exploded. 488 00:24:07,670 --> 00:24:10,610 The affluence of something like New Center Studios 489 00:24:10,610 --> 00:24:12,233 was really remarkable. 490 00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:18,673 - Then by a fortunate break, 491 00:24:19,630 --> 00:24:22,080 there was an opening at New Center Studios 492 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,300 in the Fisher Building right at the end of the war. 493 00:24:25,300 --> 00:24:30,300 New Center Studios, at that time, with the volume of artwork 494 00:24:31,043 --> 00:24:35,200 that was coming into the Detroit area 495 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,500 from the automotive companies that was needed, 496 00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:40,860 brought in a lot of illustrators from all over the country. 497 00:24:40,860 --> 00:24:45,860 - Detroit automotive advertising is an ever-revolving cycle. 498 00:24:46,420 --> 00:24:49,750 It's a very competitive market, and each year, 499 00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:53,170 the community has to come up with a new look or new style 500 00:24:53,170 --> 00:24:56,290 to present to the client to freshen up the product. 501 00:24:56,290 --> 00:24:59,440 - Now, basically, it all started with the artwork. 502 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,510 Photography had not really 503 00:25:01,510 --> 00:25:03,590 come into the advertising picture. 504 00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:06,403 The talent they had there was unbelievable. 505 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:11,460 Illustrators, car painters, figure people, re-touchers. 506 00:25:11,460 --> 00:25:14,520 Even had three or four lettering men alone, 507 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,520 just lettering headlines. 508 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,080 Things weren't done in typesetting form 509 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,340 in those days either. 510 00:25:19,340 --> 00:25:20,920 Maybe they wanted a certain typeface 511 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,850 to be reflected in the ads 512 00:25:22,850 --> 00:25:25,200 so they kept, imagine that, all hand lettering. 513 00:25:26,140 --> 00:25:31,140 Gradually, an artist that I worked with, Art Radebaugh, 514 00:25:31,180 --> 00:25:32,770 we kind of became good friends. 515 00:25:32,770 --> 00:25:33,880 I really enjoyed Art. 516 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,593 He was really a great guy to communicate with and talk to. 517 00:25:37,593 --> 00:25:39,430 He'd come and talk to me occasionally. 518 00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:41,260 Our photographic, our little department 519 00:25:41,260 --> 00:25:42,447 was at the back of the studio 520 00:25:42,447 --> 00:25:45,520 and he would come by every day and stop. 521 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,930 And when he got talking, when you got to know him... 522 00:25:47,930 --> 00:25:48,763 I don't know why. 523 00:25:48,763 --> 00:25:49,623 He liked me. 524 00:25:51,090 --> 00:25:52,670 I went out one time with him 525 00:25:52,670 --> 00:25:56,460 to do a series of pictures of automobile dealerships 526 00:25:56,460 --> 00:25:58,060 that he was going to illustrate. 527 00:25:59,300 --> 00:26:02,410 And that's when we really got into talking and conversing. 528 00:26:02,410 --> 00:26:04,580 He was a quiet individual, 529 00:26:04,580 --> 00:26:05,900 kept to himself, 530 00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:07,910 just a real gentleman, in my opinion. 531 00:26:07,910 --> 00:26:09,660 I really liked Art. 532 00:26:09,660 --> 00:26:13,870 Time Magazine was up above the studio in the Fisher Building 533 00:26:13,870 --> 00:26:17,080 and they had heard about Art 534 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,510 because, at that time, he was just getting into this 535 00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:21,500 Can You Imagine series. 536 00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:22,880 They wanted to do something unique, 537 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,627 so Art said, "Look at what I'd like to do then," 538 00:26:24,627 --> 00:26:26,527 and they came down and approached him. 539 00:26:27,587 --> 00:26:32,017 "We would like to do something in blacklight possibly, Art." 540 00:26:33,210 --> 00:26:35,070 So Art came up with the idea, 541 00:26:35,070 --> 00:26:39,330 I want to do a nude in blacklight. 542 00:26:39,330 --> 00:26:41,130 I want to paint the nude fluorescent 543 00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:46,040 and he had a vision of this whole thing set up. 544 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,007 So in the set-up of the situation, 545 00:26:48,007 --> 00:26:51,810 and this model was on a tiered box, 546 00:26:51,810 --> 00:26:53,700 he wanted to do a profile of her 547 00:26:53,700 --> 00:26:56,470 and he was gonna have his white ascot. 548 00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:59,130 So in the dark, he would be glowing, 549 00:26:59,130 --> 00:27:00,660 background would be glowing, 550 00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:03,230 and the girl, obviously the background, 551 00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:04,970 there she is glowing in the dark. 552 00:27:04,970 --> 00:27:06,880 And when it came to futuristic drawings 553 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:11,660 that he would get into, I never saw a reference around him. 554 00:27:11,660 --> 00:27:14,050 A lot of artists would have reference 555 00:27:14,050 --> 00:27:16,510 if they're illustrating say a figure 556 00:27:16,510 --> 00:27:18,910 or a background or what have you. 557 00:27:18,910 --> 00:27:20,220 He did not do that. 558 00:27:20,220 --> 00:27:21,970 I never saw that at all. 559 00:27:21,970 --> 00:27:23,853 Everything he did was in his head. 560 00:27:26,150 --> 00:27:27,910 - It became clear that... 561 00:27:28,750 --> 00:27:31,940 They had a whole stable of really terrific artists 562 00:27:32,900 --> 00:27:34,900 doing illustration work for advertising. 563 00:27:36,010 --> 00:27:39,060 And they would send out examples 564 00:27:39,060 --> 00:27:41,960 of various artists' work to potential clients, 565 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,690 and they would include Radebaugh's work in there 566 00:27:43,690 --> 00:27:47,810 because Radebaugh was kooky and interesting. 567 00:27:47,810 --> 00:27:49,760 But he didn't get a lot of work. 568 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,370 They loved his work and so they would hire somebody 569 00:27:53,370 --> 00:27:54,870 that was in association with him 570 00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:57,120 that was part of that same club, 571 00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:58,880 but that was a little more down to earth 572 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,120 that they could sell their toothpaste 573 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,990 or hubcaps or whatever it may be. 574 00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:05,480 - I think when we interviewed people, 575 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,300 what we learned was the way any professional art studio 576 00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:11,783 would have operated at that time. 577 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,960 It was a fast-paced life. 578 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,880 People would be pulling all-nighters 579 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,270 to get an ad collection done. 580 00:28:21,270 --> 00:28:22,990 There's a lot of drinking and smoking. 581 00:28:22,990 --> 00:28:26,690 Lots of people working on any particular ad campaign, 582 00:28:26,690 --> 00:28:29,000 and not just on a particular ad campaign, 583 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,590 but also on single pieces of artwork. 584 00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:36,590 Where Radebaugh's name might be on the piece of artwork, 585 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,970 there were other men who working on the piece as well, 586 00:28:40,970 --> 00:28:45,090 people who might have penciled the automobile in 587 00:28:45,090 --> 00:28:46,410 to make sure that, in fact, 588 00:28:46,410 --> 00:28:49,150 it did look like a Dodge Luxury Liner 589 00:28:49,150 --> 00:28:50,993 from that particular year. 590 00:28:57,650 --> 00:29:01,800 - As an illustrator, you bring certain things to it. 591 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:06,650 And my advertising illustration background 592 00:29:07,570 --> 00:29:10,300 and my personality as a painter 593 00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:12,650 wants things to be positive 594 00:29:12,650 --> 00:29:16,800 and not cold and foreboding, 595 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,260 but yet warm and inviting. 596 00:29:19,260 --> 00:29:24,260 A futurist illustrator, they have an idea 597 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,040 about the way something should be 598 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,240 and then they might illustrate that, 599 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,510 that aspect of looking into the future. 600 00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:35,260 I try to bring as much of that, 601 00:29:35,260 --> 00:29:37,870 personally, out of myself as I can, 602 00:29:37,870 --> 00:29:42,870 but yet, I am still restricted by another person's 603 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,710 vision of the future, which I'm illustrating for them. 604 00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:51,710 You have to be very empathetic to the cause and the mission. 605 00:29:53,340 --> 00:29:55,500 I've always been interested in space, 606 00:29:55,500 --> 00:30:00,450 hardware, planes, spaceships. 607 00:30:00,450 --> 00:30:02,770 When I was a little boy, I watched Flash Gordon 608 00:30:02,770 --> 00:30:05,140 every afternoon on television 609 00:30:05,140 --> 00:30:07,920 and thought that was the most fantastic thing 610 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,460 that you could do is fly around on a ship 611 00:30:11,460 --> 00:30:12,970 from planet to planet. 612 00:30:12,970 --> 00:30:15,300 So I always had an interest in that 613 00:30:15,300 --> 00:30:19,953 and I always try to keep current as possible and whenever, 614 00:30:20,930 --> 00:30:23,010 something to read or follow. 615 00:30:23,010 --> 00:30:27,520 - If you're doing a straight future vision of something, 616 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,800 it has to be consistent with why it looks that way 617 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:30,763 in that world. 618 00:30:34,770 --> 00:30:38,017 It's very philosophical in a strange way. 619 00:30:39,740 --> 00:30:44,740 And when you're doing a job for a commercial client 620 00:30:44,810 --> 00:30:48,730 that wants you to create a future look for whatever reason, 621 00:30:48,730 --> 00:30:51,540 then you invent with this tailored look 622 00:30:51,540 --> 00:30:54,610 that fits their agency. 623 00:30:54,610 --> 00:30:55,970 Sounds sort of... 624 00:30:57,150 --> 00:30:58,816 Well, it is. It's a business. 625 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,430 So I create my scenario 626 00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:05,690 and illustrate why it would be that way 627 00:31:05,690 --> 00:31:08,530 and go ahead and make it all up. 628 00:31:08,530 --> 00:31:10,600 But within the industrial design background, 629 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:11,850 I can make it all up 630 00:31:11,850 --> 00:31:14,200 and it looks like it really should be that way. 631 00:31:15,250 --> 00:31:17,270 - I would ask for certain information 632 00:31:17,270 --> 00:31:19,350 or they would provide pretty much 633 00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:21,490 everything I needed visually. 634 00:31:21,490 --> 00:31:24,558 And sometimes, the authors of the project would be there, 635 00:31:24,558 --> 00:31:27,800 and then I'd go away and produce a drawing 636 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:32,020 and bring the preliminary sketch back, 637 00:31:32,020 --> 00:31:35,740 which is a line drawing, we're showing the apparatus 638 00:31:35,740 --> 00:31:38,310 or subject pretty carefully. 639 00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:41,650 And then I'd return once I got the okay 640 00:31:41,650 --> 00:31:46,610 with some particular comments, which I would adjust. 641 00:31:46,610 --> 00:31:49,500 Then I'd come back, get a second approval, 642 00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:53,370 then take it back and create the full color illustration 643 00:31:53,370 --> 00:31:54,260 and deliver it. 644 00:31:54,260 --> 00:31:59,260 - Radebaugh was a futurist, but not working alone. 645 00:31:59,870 --> 00:32:01,870 And things that he was tapping into 646 00:32:01,870 --> 00:32:04,540 were already somehow being used in the design 647 00:32:04,540 --> 00:32:07,380 of other things that we were already collecting. 648 00:32:07,380 --> 00:32:08,830 So it fit in with that 649 00:32:08,830 --> 00:32:10,960 and we would constantly reference back and forth 650 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,520 between other things, and then sometimes find 651 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,120 another piece of Radebaugh's work 652 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,570 in a file full of things that had to do with toasters 653 00:32:19,460 --> 00:32:21,330 or race cars or something. 654 00:32:21,330 --> 00:32:23,280 There would be something that we had saved 655 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,840 and slipped in there and it ended up being Radebaugh's work. 656 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,680 We learned he was called an imagineer 657 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,590 because we would read it in various places. 658 00:32:30,590 --> 00:32:33,300 It was presented as a sort of official feeling, 659 00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:36,610 like he was not just an imagineer, 660 00:32:36,610 --> 00:32:37,900 but he was the Imagineer. 661 00:32:37,900 --> 00:32:40,380 It was a word that we weren't familiar with, 662 00:32:40,380 --> 00:32:44,300 that was assigned to him because he'd earned it. 663 00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:45,600 It just had that feel. 664 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,330 I've never seen it anywhere before or since 665 00:32:47,330 --> 00:32:50,590 except, some years later, 666 00:32:50,590 --> 00:32:52,460 when he wasn't using it anymore 667 00:32:52,460 --> 00:32:54,050 and it was suddenly owned, 668 00:32:54,050 --> 00:32:58,450 and I'm sure copyrighted, by Disney and their Imagineers. 669 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,020 - It seems to have originated with Alcoa Aluminum in 1943. 670 00:33:04,020 --> 00:33:08,180 It seems to have come a very common term at that point 671 00:33:08,180 --> 00:33:11,010 where they were advertising that you should do imagineering 672 00:33:11,010 --> 00:33:12,610 to enhance your business. 673 00:33:12,610 --> 00:33:14,560 And then other people started using it. 674 00:33:15,943 --> 00:33:18,650 So a good chance that Radebaugh didn't create the term 675 00:33:18,650 --> 00:33:21,710 and just absconded with it, you might say, 676 00:33:21,710 --> 00:33:23,320 and made it his own. 677 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,380 And then it becomes a term 678 00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:26,800 that is applied to numerous people 679 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,670 like Bill Stout, who did the Stout's Scarab automobile 680 00:33:29,670 --> 00:33:32,270 and did the Ford Trimotor. 681 00:33:32,270 --> 00:33:36,380 People started using it to identify him, Imagineer Stout. 682 00:33:36,380 --> 00:33:38,480 Imagineer, this guy, he's an imagineer. 683 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,790 It was starting to become a term in the late '40s, 684 00:33:40,790 --> 00:33:43,280 mid- to late '40s, to describe people 685 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,270 who were kind of visionary. 686 00:33:45,270 --> 00:33:48,070 I could easily see Radebaugh just making it his own, 687 00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:52,600 taking it and embracing it and making it his term. 688 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,010 With the national distribution that he no doubt had 689 00:33:55,010 --> 00:34:00,010 with his strips like Can You Imagine, then it became his. 690 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,900 As a historian who studies a lot of designers, 691 00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:06,200 I often find that they take credit 692 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,680 for things they didn't do, 693 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,340 they have big egos, they inflate their importance, 694 00:34:11,340 --> 00:34:14,410 knowingly create mythologies that are not true 695 00:34:14,410 --> 00:34:16,770 for various different purposes. 696 00:34:16,770 --> 00:34:19,260 Radebaugh says he created the Ferris wheel parking lot 697 00:34:19,260 --> 00:34:20,480 and that was actually something done 698 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,590 by Westinghouse in the 1920s, 699 00:34:22,590 --> 00:34:25,300 probably before he even started as an illustrator, 700 00:34:25,300 --> 00:34:28,530 as well as it was at the 1933 World's Fair 701 00:34:28,530 --> 00:34:31,270 and they were all throughout Chicago. 702 00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:32,720 Why he took credit for that, 703 00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:34,200 did he think he could get away with it 704 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,210 because it had been so long, 705 00:34:35,210 --> 00:34:37,670 or did he actually think that he invented it? 706 00:34:37,670 --> 00:34:39,450 I don't think he actually invented it. 707 00:34:39,450 --> 00:34:41,690 I'm convinced that he actually 708 00:34:41,690 --> 00:34:43,240 knew he could get away with it. 709 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,140 - I get the impression that, when people see this, 710 00:34:47,140 --> 00:34:52,140 they see hope and I see fear. 711 00:34:53,690 --> 00:34:57,330 It's the ways that we might be able to survive 712 00:34:57,330 --> 00:35:00,230 a suddenly perilous world. 713 00:35:00,230 --> 00:35:02,720 But it's all an escape plan. 714 00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:07,100 None of it, to me, is particularly positive. 715 00:35:07,100 --> 00:35:08,910 People are living in bubbles 716 00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:11,810 or under the water 717 00:35:13,370 --> 00:35:14,700 or in space 718 00:35:16,350 --> 00:35:18,343 because the world has been destroyed. 719 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,108 To me, it's frightening. 720 00:35:23,108 --> 00:35:25,775 (ominous music) 721 00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:32,930 A small amount of it is dealing with things that we would 722 00:35:32,930 --> 00:35:35,820 really need help with in the world at the time. 723 00:35:35,820 --> 00:35:37,670 I think it's really beautiful 724 00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:40,550 and there are aspects of it that are hopeful, 725 00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:45,490 but so much of it has nothing to do with the natural world, 726 00:35:45,490 --> 00:35:49,210 either altering actual agriculture of the time 727 00:35:49,210 --> 00:35:52,340 or actual landscapes of earth 728 00:35:52,340 --> 00:35:54,523 or just not being on it whatsoever. 729 00:35:55,570 --> 00:35:57,320 I just wonder what people's responses were 730 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,130 to Closer Than We Think, if it was making them hopeful. 731 00:36:00,130 --> 00:36:02,480 It seems like it must have in a way 732 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,000 because, at a time where, all of a sudden, 733 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,380 things seemed really scary, 734 00:36:06,380 --> 00:36:11,380 of the potential of mass nuclear warfare, 735 00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:14,900 these seem like great encouraging visions 736 00:36:14,900 --> 00:36:17,683 of an American future specifically. 737 00:36:18,990 --> 00:36:21,120 We're the largest collection in the entire world. 738 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,860 Our collection holds over three million pieces. 739 00:36:23,860 --> 00:36:27,580 2.5 million of that is comic strip clippings 740 00:36:27,580 --> 00:36:30,610 and tear sheets, so a whole page of the newspaper torn out, 741 00:36:30,610 --> 00:36:32,600 in this case, the comic section. 742 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,430 But about 400,000 of it is original art, 743 00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:36,610 and it can be original art 744 00:36:36,610 --> 00:36:38,270 from things like Closer Than We Think. 745 00:36:38,270 --> 00:36:39,310 This collection came to us 746 00:36:39,310 --> 00:36:41,210 from the International Museum of Cartoon Art, 747 00:36:41,210 --> 00:36:44,470 which was one of the first museums in the United States 748 00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:47,340 dedicated solely to comics and cartoon art, 749 00:36:47,340 --> 00:36:48,930 founded by Mort Walker, 750 00:36:48,930 --> 00:36:50,580 who was the creator of Beetle Bailey, 751 00:36:50,580 --> 00:36:53,140 famous comic strip that's still around today. 752 00:36:53,140 --> 00:36:56,210 He founded this museum and was just gaining, 753 00:36:56,210 --> 00:36:59,230 I think, close to 200,000 pieces 754 00:36:59,230 --> 00:37:01,880 from various other institutions, 755 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,240 be it syndicates that were closing down 756 00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:06,630 and had leftover original art 757 00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:09,000 or proof sheets from comics that they had run. 758 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,660 So he amassed this very large collection, 759 00:37:10,660 --> 00:37:14,090 and after the museum had been around for a couple decades, 760 00:37:14,090 --> 00:37:17,960 when they finally folded, their collection came to us. 761 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,240 So that's where we got it but, from my understanding, 762 00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:24,590 he got it originally from the Chicago Tribune's archive. 763 00:37:24,590 --> 00:37:26,940 We have a climate controlled facility 764 00:37:26,940 --> 00:37:30,110 so our archive where all of our original art is kept 765 00:37:30,110 --> 00:37:32,630 is constantly at a low temperature and humidity, 766 00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:35,760 monitored 24 hours a day under very high security. 767 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,200 And the Closer Than We Think collection 768 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,983 is within acid-free boxes in that archival space. 769 00:37:42,910 --> 00:37:47,060 Of Arthur Radebaugh's work, we have about six or seven boxes 770 00:37:47,060 --> 00:37:49,620 of original art from Closer Than We Think 771 00:37:49,620 --> 00:37:52,510 as well as an entire book of proof sheets 772 00:37:52,510 --> 00:37:54,900 from the Chicago Tribune of Closer Than We Think 773 00:37:54,900 --> 00:37:56,093 and of Jet Swift. 774 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,243 Here's the first one. 775 00:38:04,580 --> 00:38:08,480 This is Bristol board and he, unlike with the other ones, 776 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:09,980 where that texture is coming from that, 777 00:38:09,980 --> 00:38:12,973 for this, he actually did an airbrush effect, 778 00:38:14,220 --> 00:38:16,090 splatter paint, I think. 779 00:38:16,090 --> 00:38:18,340 But yeah, it is on pretty thick Bristol board 780 00:38:19,450 --> 00:38:21,957 or illustration board is what it's also called. 781 00:38:23,381 --> 00:38:26,298 (futuristic music) 782 00:41:04,690 --> 00:41:08,380 - I find that the shocking thing about Radebaugh is 783 00:41:08,380 --> 00:41:10,680 how many of his predictions aren't just close, 784 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,810 but are right on the money. 785 00:41:12,810 --> 00:41:17,810 So it's kind of crazy stuff that he was inventing 786 00:41:19,050 --> 00:41:24,050 or fantasizing about in 1960 or '61 is only now happening. 787 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,040 - Well, I tell people the future came true, 788 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,780 but it came true in little bits and pieces 789 00:41:31,780 --> 00:41:33,750 called consumer goods. 790 00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:36,380 - He drew a wristwatch TV. 791 00:41:36,380 --> 00:41:38,890 It's kind of amazing how targeted 792 00:41:38,890 --> 00:41:39,920 some of the predictions are. 793 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,100 And other ones, he was right in seeing 794 00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:44,320 that there was a need for something 795 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,040 or that something would be possible, 796 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,830 but maybe didn't see how it would be applied. 797 00:41:48,830 --> 00:41:53,210 A Roomba is not the same as a robot housemaid is a good one. 798 00:41:53,210 --> 00:41:55,660 They're not exactly the same, but he was seeing 799 00:41:55,660 --> 00:41:58,810 that we're gonna have robotic appliances 800 00:41:58,810 --> 00:42:01,510 doing some of the heavy lifting of housework 801 00:42:01,510 --> 00:42:04,070 that nobody wants to do. 802 00:42:04,070 --> 00:42:07,180 Wall-to-wall television has existed for about a decade. 803 00:42:07,180 --> 00:42:10,770 You know, 100 inch screens and bigger. 804 00:42:10,770 --> 00:42:12,950 Robot warehouses now exist. 805 00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:16,560 Amazon is mostly robot warehouses. 806 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:17,810 Rocket mailmen. 807 00:42:17,810 --> 00:42:19,840 So he didn't get this quite right, 808 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,520 but his idea that your mail would get delivered to you 809 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,700 by some kind of transport 810 00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:30,440 is Amazon and Google both experimenting with drone delivery. 811 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,450 It's like took the person out of the equation, 812 00:42:33,450 --> 00:42:35,370 but the idea that something was gonna come 813 00:42:35,370 --> 00:42:38,780 directly to you by some mechanical device, 814 00:42:38,780 --> 00:42:40,190 it turns out to be right. 815 00:42:40,190 --> 00:42:42,840 He had a thing called One-World Job Market, 816 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,600 which LinkedIn and the rest of our social networks 817 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,650 are kind of making us all global citizens. 818 00:42:48,650 --> 00:42:52,350 People are applying for jobs in far-off locations 819 00:42:52,350 --> 00:42:56,770 using this networked economy that we now have. 820 00:42:56,770 --> 00:42:58,270 He did a couple things about education. 821 00:42:58,270 --> 00:43:01,540 Push-Button Education or Every Home a Classroom. 822 00:43:01,540 --> 00:43:04,380 You can now go on the internet and take courses 823 00:43:04,380 --> 00:43:06,240 at almost any college in the country. 824 00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:07,810 You can go on Udacity. 825 00:43:07,810 --> 00:43:09,433 You can see things on YouTube. 826 00:43:10,584 --> 00:43:14,000 The idea that education now comes to you in your home 827 00:43:15,410 --> 00:43:17,430 happens all the time now. 828 00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:19,290 - When it comes to gauging 829 00:43:19,290 --> 00:43:21,860 whether Radebaugh's predictions are accurate, 830 00:43:21,860 --> 00:43:23,300 I think it's tough to say. 831 00:43:23,300 --> 00:43:27,190 I think every old prediction for the future 832 00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:29,000 is sort of Rorschach test 833 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,940 because you're gonna see what you wanna see. 834 00:43:31,940 --> 00:43:36,940 Let's take a Radebaugh prediction of video phone. 835 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,280 You see an executive at his desk. 836 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:40,430 He's got a video phone. 837 00:43:40,430 --> 00:43:41,760 Was that accurate? 838 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,120 Sure, we've got Facetime, 839 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,550 we've got all these technologies 840 00:43:45,550 --> 00:43:47,610 that give us the video phone. 841 00:43:47,610 --> 00:43:49,930 Does it look like Radebaugh's particular 842 00:43:49,930 --> 00:43:53,700 vision of the video phone with the circular screen 843 00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:54,880 sitting on the executive's desk? 844 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,080 No, it doesn't. 845 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,453 So, can you call that prediction accurate? 846 00:43:59,350 --> 00:44:02,170 Sure, no, I don't know. 847 00:44:02,170 --> 00:44:03,950 I don't have a video phone that looks like that. 848 00:44:03,950 --> 00:44:06,910 Would be pretty cool if I did, but I don't. 849 00:44:06,910 --> 00:44:10,420 Every piece of futurism is a Rorschach test. 850 00:44:10,420 --> 00:44:12,530 No one is psychic. 851 00:44:12,530 --> 00:44:15,470 That's what makes old visions of the future fun. 852 00:44:15,470 --> 00:44:17,800 No one's gonna get it 100% right. 853 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,640 And even if someone was really, really close, 854 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,610 it's still gonna be just a little bit off. 855 00:44:23,610 --> 00:44:25,050 It's gonna be just enough off 856 00:44:25,050 --> 00:44:26,893 that it's gonna look really cool. 857 00:44:27,870 --> 00:44:29,270 - Cartoonists have had a history 858 00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:32,470 of drawing futuristic scenes 859 00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:37,100 and a lot of it is because, I think, cartooning is escapism. 860 00:44:37,100 --> 00:44:39,550 I mean, it's a really isolated practice. 861 00:44:39,550 --> 00:44:41,140 People who are making things, 862 00:44:41,140 --> 00:44:44,220 especially dailies coming out every single day, 863 00:44:44,220 --> 00:44:46,780 are spending a lot of time alone 864 00:44:46,780 --> 00:44:48,920 in a room focusing on this stuff. 865 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,000 And so there's a lot of dreaming involved. 866 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,550 Creating visions of the future 867 00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:55,730 is not something that started with Radebaugh by any stretch. 868 00:44:55,730 --> 00:44:58,130 Dating back to the really early 1900s, 869 00:44:58,130 --> 00:45:00,800 some similar ideas to what Radebaugh would do later, 870 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,670 especially with people flying on propellers 871 00:45:04,670 --> 00:45:07,030 that are attached to their back. 872 00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:09,360 Radebaugh was not a known cartoonist 873 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,120 in the grand scheme of things. 874 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,240 I don't think that Closer Than We Think 875 00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:15,150 was widely syndicated. 876 00:45:15,150 --> 00:45:20,150 His name is not known by almost any scholars in the field. 877 00:45:21,660 --> 00:45:23,660 Even when I first started researching him, 878 00:45:23,660 --> 00:45:26,110 no one I knew had ever heard of him and the people I know 879 00:45:26,110 --> 00:45:28,260 are the people who know about this stuff. 880 00:45:28,260 --> 00:45:30,930 So I think he was probably really well known, I would guess, 881 00:45:30,930 --> 00:45:35,930 in the science and automotive illustration world, 882 00:45:36,810 --> 00:45:39,930 but in a lot of ways, he wasn't a cartoonist. 883 00:45:39,930 --> 00:45:41,163 He was an illustrator. 884 00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:46,240 - It was amazing to me that he was so obscure 885 00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:51,240 because the science fiction people all have their favorites 886 00:45:51,900 --> 00:45:54,080 and love them and honor them 887 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,340 and there're articles written about them. 888 00:45:56,340 --> 00:45:59,240 - He's parallel to Frank R. Paul. 889 00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:01,420 Paul has a very quirky style. 890 00:46:01,420 --> 00:46:03,070 Radebaugh has a very quirky style. 891 00:46:03,070 --> 00:46:04,380 But they're working in different fields, 892 00:46:04,380 --> 00:46:06,690 where I feel like Paul is strictly 893 00:46:06,690 --> 00:46:08,700 in the science fiction community 894 00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:12,850 and Radebaugh is kind of selling this to everyone else. 895 00:46:12,850 --> 00:46:17,330 - So his stuff wasn't as popularly embraced 896 00:46:17,330 --> 00:46:21,180 and remembered as the science fiction and pulp covers 897 00:46:21,180 --> 00:46:23,710 that we still know and love today, 898 00:46:23,710 --> 00:46:25,340 that any number of people can tell you 899 00:46:25,340 --> 00:46:27,470 who those artists are. 900 00:46:27,470 --> 00:46:30,020 He had just fallen through the cracks. 901 00:46:30,020 --> 00:46:32,330 - We looked and looked for a science fiction connection, 902 00:46:32,330 --> 00:46:34,267 like, "Oh, he must have done a cover of 903 00:46:34,267 --> 00:46:35,990 "an Isaac Asimov book or something like that." 904 00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:39,300 There was really no apparent Radebaugh overlap 905 00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:40,980 with the world of science fiction. 906 00:46:40,980 --> 00:46:44,130 Even though, at least on the surface, 907 00:46:44,130 --> 00:46:46,400 his work looks so closely aligned 908 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,310 to what science fiction was and what it was doing. 909 00:46:49,310 --> 00:46:50,300 I feel like, in some ways, 910 00:46:50,300 --> 00:46:51,896 I want to tease out this difference of 911 00:46:51,896 --> 00:46:56,896 Radebaugh was working on futuristic consumer products 912 00:46:58,170 --> 00:47:01,210 and he wasn't necessarily talking about alternate realities. 913 00:47:01,210 --> 00:47:03,510 Like the realities are still sort of like this 914 00:47:04,970 --> 00:47:09,150 happy, sterile, gleaming, white 1950s reality, 915 00:47:09,150 --> 00:47:12,347 but just with flying cars instead of regular cars. 916 00:47:12,347 --> 00:47:14,230 It was a little bit different from what 917 00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:15,830 at least some of science fiction was doing 918 00:47:15,830 --> 00:47:18,780 and sort of proposing these different futures 919 00:47:18,780 --> 00:47:21,360 in which fundamentals were really different. 920 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:26,360 Radebaugh's work was external and superficial. 921 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,920 He was superficial in this really captivating, 922 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,410 beautifully raw way, 923 00:47:31,410 --> 00:47:32,730 but it was really about... 924 00:47:32,730 --> 00:47:34,530 You know, I think he said it himself. 925 00:47:34,530 --> 00:47:37,227 I mean, his quote is, "halfway between science fiction 926 00:47:37,227 --> 00:47:39,030 "and designs for modern living." 927 00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:41,000 He was definitely always on the consumer end 928 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,470 and maybe it's just because his professional life 929 00:47:43,470 --> 00:47:45,420 was within the commercial art world. 930 00:47:45,420 --> 00:47:47,070 Maybe he could've taken a different path 931 00:47:47,070 --> 00:47:50,220 and ended up more enmeshed with science fiction 932 00:47:50,220 --> 00:47:52,150 or with film or something like that, 933 00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:56,400 but he really was largely a commercial artist, 934 00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,917 and so his material was all kind of riffing off of, 935 00:48:00,917 --> 00:48:03,610 you know, here's this consumer product we have now, 936 00:48:03,610 --> 00:48:06,160 here's what the Radebaugh version of this looks like 937 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,500 that is so much cooler, glossier, more luminous 938 00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:12,720 partakes of this sense of the things 939 00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:14,270 that we think of as futuristic, 940 00:48:14,270 --> 00:48:17,940 aerodynamic and rocket-propelled and atomic 941 00:48:17,940 --> 00:48:21,630 and micro or macro or whatever, 942 00:48:21,630 --> 00:48:25,290 made something seem really futuristic at that time. 943 00:48:25,290 --> 00:48:26,640 - I think that it's a possibility 944 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,900 he could've gone off and done other things 945 00:48:28,900 --> 00:48:31,600 because you go where the money is. 946 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,000 But I think, in this case, it was fortuitous 947 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,270 that he ended up in the automobile industry 948 00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:38,650 because he already had an inclination towards 949 00:48:38,650 --> 00:48:40,810 science and technology and the future, 950 00:48:40,810 --> 00:48:43,473 and the automobile industry was very much about that. 951 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,050 - Closer Than We Think is largely forgotten today. 952 00:48:49,050 --> 00:48:50,860 When I first started blogging about it 953 00:48:50,860 --> 00:48:55,253 and learned about Closer Than We Think back in 2007, 954 00:48:56,290 --> 00:48:58,500 there wasn't much online about it at all. 955 00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:00,580 Most people had forgotten about it, obviously, 956 00:49:00,580 --> 00:49:03,650 since it was a 50 year old comic strip. 957 00:49:03,650 --> 00:49:06,640 There was sort of this residue from it. 958 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,790 It had inspired so many things. 959 00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:13,527 It was this cultural touchstone from 1958 to 1963 960 00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:18,500 that inspired things like The Jetsons. 961 00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:21,720 The Jetsons obviously touched so many people. 962 00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:23,620 It premiered on the tail end 963 00:49:23,620 --> 00:49:26,050 of Closer Than We Think's run, 964 00:49:26,050 --> 00:49:28,600 which ended in January of 1963. 965 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:33,600 The Jetsons premiered in late September of 1962. 966 00:49:33,690 --> 00:49:36,700 But we forget that The Jetsons was a parody show. 967 00:49:36,700 --> 00:49:40,210 The Jetsons was parodying things like Closer Than We Think. 968 00:49:40,210 --> 00:49:42,540 Closer Than We Think was this sort of 969 00:49:42,540 --> 00:49:45,130 golden age of futurism, if you will, 970 00:49:45,130 --> 00:49:48,170 and The Jetsons came around to parody it, 971 00:49:48,170 --> 00:49:51,070 to parody at precisely that thing. 972 00:49:51,070 --> 00:49:53,530 And people who were too young 973 00:49:53,530 --> 00:49:56,670 when they saw The Jetsons don't remember that. 974 00:49:56,670 --> 00:49:59,810 They remember The Jetsons as that pure futurism. 975 00:49:59,810 --> 00:50:03,070 They remember The Jetsons not as this parody show, 976 00:50:03,070 --> 00:50:08,070 which it was, not as this great ridicule of futurism 977 00:50:08,190 --> 00:50:10,530 that people had been going through 978 00:50:10,530 --> 00:50:13,070 with the flying cars and the jet packs 979 00:50:13,070 --> 00:50:16,600 and all of the golden age that had already happened. 980 00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,392 - Now this is going back into the '60s. 981 00:50:19,392 --> 00:50:23,210 What I did was run in my head a timeline of... 982 00:50:23,210 --> 00:50:24,330 We still had four wheels 983 00:50:24,330 --> 00:50:27,020 'cause it gonna go to car companies. 984 00:50:27,020 --> 00:50:30,430 But what I was doing was synthesizing a future 985 00:50:30,430 --> 00:50:32,600 where cars looked like this. 986 00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,960 And it was commercial, so it was for U.S. Steel. 987 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,630 They had a steel trim, they were made from steel, 988 00:50:37,630 --> 00:50:38,770 and so forth. 989 00:50:38,770 --> 00:50:41,460 So I was synthesizing a whole 990 00:50:41,460 --> 00:50:45,250 technological, stylistic put-together 991 00:50:45,250 --> 00:50:47,040 that was attractive to people 992 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,990 that were in the business of designing cars for the future. 993 00:50:51,590 --> 00:50:52,640 - You know, Syd... 994 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:53,870 Actually, I think there was some parallels 995 00:50:53,870 --> 00:50:55,780 between Syd and Radebaugh 996 00:50:55,780 --> 00:50:59,410 because Radebaugh keeps becoming rediscovered 997 00:50:59,410 --> 00:51:01,677 by new generations and people keep falling in love with him. 998 00:51:01,677 --> 00:51:04,850 And the same things happened with Syd's artwork. 999 00:51:04,850 --> 00:51:06,870 And actually, one of the interviews with Syd, 1000 00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:09,547 in one of the magazines, Syd says, 1001 00:51:09,547 --> 00:51:12,017 "A lot of my artwork, it has the same look 1002 00:51:12,017 --> 00:51:14,127 "through time in a sense." 1003 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:16,940 So he's like, "it worries me sometimes," 1004 00:51:16,940 --> 00:51:18,040 but on the other hand, 1005 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,220 still, no one surpassed him. 1006 00:51:20,220 --> 00:51:21,810 No one's come along and replaced him, 1007 00:51:21,810 --> 00:51:25,070 so it's still, even after all these decades. 1008 00:51:25,070 --> 00:51:26,100 I can tell you from having 1009 00:51:26,100 --> 00:51:28,110 looked at a lot of designers over the years 1010 00:51:28,110 --> 00:51:32,340 and artists as well, but mainly designers, 1011 00:51:32,340 --> 00:51:34,130 if something hasn't come true, 1012 00:51:34,130 --> 00:51:36,950 as far as they're concerned, it still can 1013 00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:38,850 so there's no problem reusing it. 1014 00:51:38,850 --> 00:51:40,450 And I've seen designers 1015 00:51:40,450 --> 00:51:41,780 that have actually just taken a rendering, 1016 00:51:41,780 --> 00:51:45,310 erased the date on it, and dated it again 1017 00:51:45,310 --> 00:51:46,980 to the present day. 1018 00:51:46,980 --> 00:51:49,630 And it can be a 25 year old, a 30 year old rendering. 1019 00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:52,780 Usually, it needs to be redone, 1020 00:51:52,780 --> 00:51:53,970 and that's what Radebaugh did. 1021 00:51:53,970 --> 00:51:55,910 He may have recycled ideas. 1022 00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:57,270 It was like, well, why not? 1023 00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:58,453 Why not recycle ideas? 1024 00:51:59,380 --> 00:52:00,213 They're good ideas. 1025 00:52:00,213 --> 00:52:01,460 They're exciting ideas. 1026 00:52:01,460 --> 00:52:03,253 They haven't come true yet, 1027 00:52:04,655 --> 00:52:06,610 but that doesn't mean they won't come true, 1028 00:52:06,610 --> 00:52:08,470 so why not make a new rendering? 1029 00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:11,220 So he does and he updates them, which is great. 1030 00:52:11,220 --> 00:52:12,620 And he brings that idea back, 1031 00:52:12,620 --> 00:52:14,340 and maybe he even popularizes ideas 1032 00:52:14,340 --> 00:52:15,900 that people had forgotten about, 1033 00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:19,130 which is a whole 'nother interesting thing. 1034 00:52:19,130 --> 00:52:22,580 Who knows who he inspired to try and make it happen. 1035 00:52:22,580 --> 00:52:23,690 Well, this hasn't happened yet, 1036 00:52:23,690 --> 00:52:28,373 and maybe some youngster who read his strip went forward. 1037 00:52:29,610 --> 00:52:32,560 - A lot of the Closer Than We Think features 1038 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,270 are being fed from articles 1039 00:52:36,270 --> 00:52:38,570 that Radebaugh was reading at the time. 1040 00:52:38,570 --> 00:52:40,870 Maybe friends of his that were scientists or engineers 1041 00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:42,170 were sending him this stuff. 1042 00:52:42,170 --> 00:52:45,600 He was processing it and writing the text 1043 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,840 that would feed into these beautiful illustrations 1044 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,100 that he would build around them. 1045 00:52:51,100 --> 00:52:53,730 He even put himself in a lot of the features 1046 00:52:53,730 --> 00:52:57,020 as the narrator, so this is entirely his dream world 1047 00:52:57,020 --> 00:52:58,660 that he's coming up with, but oftentimes, 1048 00:52:58,660 --> 00:53:01,203 inspired by other scientists and engineers 1049 00:53:01,203 --> 00:53:03,753 that were actually doing this research at the time. 1050 00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:06,400 - Closer Than We Think is the zenith of his career 1051 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,240 because that's when he had the most exposure 1052 00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:11,830 where most people finding out who Radebaugh is 1053 00:53:11,830 --> 00:53:13,180 or seeing his work. 1054 00:53:13,180 --> 00:53:17,140 So certainly going from the automotive field 1055 00:53:17,140 --> 00:53:19,340 into a comic strip sort of format 1056 00:53:19,340 --> 00:53:23,220 was definitely not a downgrade. 1057 00:53:23,220 --> 00:53:24,820 It was certainly not a demotion. 1058 00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,110 I feel very confidently 1059 00:53:27,110 --> 00:53:30,170 that that was a huge boon for his career. 1060 00:53:30,170 --> 00:53:33,330 - At the same time that Radebaugh was doing 1061 00:53:33,330 --> 00:53:36,960 Closer Than We Think, there was Athelstan Spilhaus, 1062 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,630 who was in Minnesota at the time. 1063 00:53:39,630 --> 00:53:42,930 He was an academic who wrote Our New Age, 1064 00:53:42,930 --> 00:53:46,870 which was another Sunday funny that came out 1065 00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:48,770 nearly at the exact same time, 1066 00:53:48,770 --> 00:53:51,480 and this comic strip was a little bit different. 1067 00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,640 It wasn't explicitly about the future. 1068 00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,530 It had plenty of futuristic themes. 1069 00:53:57,530 --> 00:54:00,490 And it was much more broadly about science and technology. 1070 00:54:00,490 --> 00:54:04,210 And Athelstan Spilhaus actually said, explicitly, 1071 00:54:04,210 --> 00:54:05,880 that he wanted this comic strip 1072 00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,390 to inject some subliminal education 1073 00:54:09,390 --> 00:54:11,000 into the Sunday funnies. 1074 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,750 Contrasting with Closer Than We Think, 1075 00:54:12,750 --> 00:54:15,650 he was very explicit in saying that this was 1076 00:54:15,650 --> 00:54:19,980 a direct response to Sputnik and the Soviet Union's threat 1077 00:54:19,980 --> 00:54:22,180 to the western world as it were. 1078 00:54:22,180 --> 00:54:24,590 The differences between Closer Than We Think 1079 00:54:24,590 --> 00:54:27,670 and Our New Age are pretty interesting 1080 00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:32,360 in that both were very techno-utopian, if you will. 1081 00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,830 Both were very optimistic. 1082 00:54:35,830 --> 00:54:40,830 Closer Than We Think was much more sort of fun-loving. 1083 00:54:42,690 --> 00:54:45,950 Closer Than We Think took it three steps further. 1084 00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:48,860 Our New Age certainly had a futuristic bent, 1085 00:54:48,860 --> 00:54:51,080 but it definitely felt dryer. 1086 00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,690 It definitely felt more educational, if you will. 1087 00:54:54,690 --> 00:54:57,040 Not to use that in a derogatory way, 1088 00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,970 but it definitely felt like something 1089 00:54:58,970 --> 00:55:00,890 that you'd read in school. 1090 00:55:00,890 --> 00:55:04,220 Closer Than We Think had the streamlined cars, 1091 00:55:04,220 --> 00:55:05,960 the supersize crops, 1092 00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,980 and much more fantastical visions of the future. 1093 00:55:08,980 --> 00:55:12,670 Our New Age sort of flirted with that on occasion. 1094 00:55:12,670 --> 00:55:16,120 Our New Age had kangaroo butlers. 1095 00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,320 He definitely didn't hang its hat 1096 00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,730 on the more outlandish visions of the future, 1097 00:55:21,730 --> 00:55:23,400 which isn't to say that Closer Than We Think 1098 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,160 was always outlandish. 1099 00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,300 It certainly had a lot of things that have come true, 1100 00:55:28,300 --> 00:55:30,680 mechanized hearts, satellites, 1101 00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,450 all kinds of things that we have today. 1102 00:55:33,450 --> 00:55:37,380 Our New Age is this huge, multi-panel strip, 1103 00:55:37,380 --> 00:55:40,690 whereas Closer Than We Think is a single panel strip. 1104 00:55:40,690 --> 00:55:45,580 And Our New Age takes advantage of the multi-panel strip 1105 00:55:45,580 --> 00:55:50,580 because it typically chronicles history, present to future. 1106 00:55:50,790 --> 00:55:54,050 That's sort of the way that every strip is structured, 1107 00:55:54,050 --> 00:55:58,490 whereas Closer Than We Think is just about the future. 1108 00:55:58,490 --> 00:56:01,300 Radebaugh, after his very last strip 1109 00:56:01,300 --> 00:56:06,140 of Closer Than We Think, in January of 1963, 1110 00:56:06,140 --> 00:56:10,420 goes right into making a new strip called Jet Swift, 1111 00:56:10,420 --> 00:56:15,420 which actually mirrors Our New Age a little bit. 1112 00:56:15,420 --> 00:56:20,140 The whole Jet Swift strip mirrors Our New Age's 1113 00:56:21,050 --> 00:56:24,560 past, present, future sort of formula 1114 00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:28,190 and becomes a multi-panel strip. 1115 00:56:28,190 --> 00:56:33,190 I'm not sure that Jet Swift was inspired by Our New Age, 1116 00:56:34,690 --> 00:56:37,623 but there's definitely a lot of similarities there. 1117 00:56:38,650 --> 00:56:40,980 - We don't know why Closer Than We Think ended. 1118 00:56:40,980 --> 00:56:42,810 It's anyone's guess what the reason could be. 1119 00:56:42,810 --> 00:56:45,680 Most likely, it was not as marketable anymore. 1120 00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,670 Maybe as times were changing, 1121 00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:50,390 there was less of an obsession with futurism. 1122 00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:51,223 Who knows? 1123 00:56:51,223 --> 00:56:53,290 And so something like Jet Swift 1124 00:56:53,290 --> 00:56:56,770 I think was much more marketable towards children 1125 00:56:56,770 --> 00:57:00,040 and probably selling more papers in that way. 1126 00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,610 The last Closer Than We Think was Family Computer 1127 00:57:02,610 --> 00:57:04,780 on January 13, 1963, 1128 00:57:04,780 --> 00:57:06,770 and then immediately one week later, 1129 00:57:06,770 --> 00:57:10,360 Radebaugh followed up with Jet Swift and His Science Stamps 1130 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,110 on January 20, 1963. 1131 00:57:13,110 --> 00:57:16,850 He has this character, Jet Swift, that's this young boy 1132 00:57:16,850 --> 00:57:21,850 essentially narrating lessons of past history 1133 00:57:22,090 --> 00:57:25,150 on how rockets have been used throughout time 1134 00:57:25,150 --> 00:57:27,820 and then where he sees those inventions going. 1135 00:57:27,820 --> 00:57:30,173 And they're done in the shapes of stamps. 1136 00:57:31,350 --> 00:57:33,560 It's not exactly a comic, 1137 00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,660 but it has a little bit more of a strip feel 1138 00:57:35,660 --> 00:57:38,470 and there is a sequential narration to it 1139 00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:41,120 because the stamps advance in time 1140 00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:45,450 through the ways that different discoveries have been made 1141 00:57:45,450 --> 00:57:47,080 depending on what his subject is, 1142 00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,790 and typically ending in what Jet Swift's idea 1143 00:57:50,790 --> 00:57:54,433 or Radebaugh's idea of what the next step will be. 1144 00:57:57,710 --> 00:58:01,610 - Americans soon may see a new kind of family second car 1145 00:58:01,610 --> 00:58:04,880 run by batteries and boasting hot rod agility 1146 00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,850 and of adequate size and speed for limited distance use. 1147 00:58:08,850 --> 00:58:11,500 Stinson Aircraft at San Diego 1148 00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:15,470 and the Washington Water Power Company, Spokane, 1149 00:58:15,470 --> 00:58:17,110 have working models. 1150 00:58:17,110 --> 00:58:18,800 A Detroit auto manufacturer 1151 00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,180 also has a big project in this field. 1152 00:58:21,180 --> 00:58:23,660 These electro-cars will run about 1153 00:58:23,660 --> 00:58:25,700 70 miles between chargings, 1154 00:58:25,700 --> 00:58:28,120 which can be done on any home socket. 1155 00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,770 Also planned are roadway chargers similar to parking meters, 1156 00:58:31,770 --> 00:58:34,890 which will give a fast charge for a quarter. 1157 00:58:34,890 --> 00:58:38,600 So what he described essentially is an EV1, 1158 00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,280 which came out in '96. 1159 00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,120 It was actually designed around 1990, 1160 00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,120 late '80s, early '90s, 1161 00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:51,120 and the California Air Resources Board saw the car. 1162 00:58:51,150 --> 00:58:56,150 It was just a one-off at the time, but it opened their minds 1163 00:58:56,730 --> 00:59:00,057 and they said, "Wow, we have a serious air pollution problem 1164 00:59:00,057 --> 00:59:02,860 "and this looks like a viable electric car." 1165 00:59:02,860 --> 00:59:05,330 So they passed a law in 1990 1166 00:59:05,330 --> 00:59:09,270 called the Zero Emission Vehicle Mandate, ZEV Mandate. 1167 00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:12,900 By 2003, the lobbyists succeeded 1168 00:59:12,900 --> 00:59:15,590 in overturning the ZEV Mandate and then 1169 00:59:15,590 --> 00:59:17,480 all of the automakers had already built 1170 00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:18,770 these great electric cars, 1171 00:59:18,770 --> 00:59:21,583 the EV1 being the flagship from GM. 1172 00:59:22,532 --> 00:59:24,670 But they started taking them back and destroying them. 1173 00:59:24,670 --> 00:59:27,480 And that's why a bunch of us got together 1174 00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,220 and started protesting. 1175 00:59:29,220 --> 00:59:32,670 We formed the national organization called Plug In America. 1176 00:59:32,670 --> 00:59:36,180 We saved about 1,000 of those cars from the crusher. 1177 00:59:36,180 --> 00:59:39,590 But more importantly, we helped convince the car makers 1178 00:59:39,590 --> 00:59:41,500 to build electric cars again. 1179 00:59:41,500 --> 00:59:43,490 The initial ones with lead acid batteries 1180 00:59:43,490 --> 00:59:47,093 was around 60 or 70 miles, so he nailed that. 1181 00:59:47,980 --> 00:59:51,300 And the second generation, they didn't change the body, 1182 00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:54,180 but they ended up putting nickel metal hydride batteries in 1183 00:59:54,180 --> 00:59:56,360 and that more than doubled the range. 1184 00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,120 So they were getting 140-150 mile range 1185 00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:00,253 with those batteries. 1186 01:00:01,450 --> 01:00:04,920 The charger location in various cars differs. 1187 01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,470 On my Nissan Leaf, it was in the front, 1188 01:00:07,470 --> 01:00:09,600 but a lot of the cars have them in the back. 1189 01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:11,453 It does look like a two-seater. 1190 01:00:12,505 --> 01:00:14,440 It does have a lot of slope to it 1191 01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:18,200 so the drag coefficient is probably pretty decent 1192 01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:19,940 And the wheels are covered, 1193 01:00:19,940 --> 01:00:22,940 so that's another design feature 1194 01:00:22,940 --> 01:00:25,410 that helps with the drag coefficient. 1195 01:00:25,410 --> 01:00:27,320 So I would say they got some of it right, 1196 01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:32,070 and considering it was a good 30 years before the EV1, 1197 01:00:32,070 --> 01:00:34,270 I'm pretty impressed, to tell you the truth. 1198 01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:39,080 - The picture that we get of Radebaugh post-retirement 1199 01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,280 is that he probably retires 1200 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,360 pretty close to the top of his game and he has these ideas 1201 01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:48,030 about making a nice cottage on Lake Michigan 1202 01:00:48,030 --> 01:00:50,450 and doing these things that somebody 1203 01:00:50,450 --> 01:00:52,910 who has been an accomplished professional their whole life 1204 01:00:52,910 --> 01:00:54,530 might want to do in their retirement, 1205 01:00:54,530 --> 01:00:59,400 but apparently, his health fails, his investments go sour. 1206 01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,980 One gets a sense that maybe he had initially felt like 1207 01:01:01,980 --> 01:01:03,120 he was going to be secure, 1208 01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,150 but then whatever nest egg he has disappears. 1209 01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:08,030 So he has to go back into working, 1210 01:01:08,030 --> 01:01:12,070 but instead of working as a top flight commercial artist, 1211 01:01:12,070 --> 01:01:14,090 he's basically doing hack work, 1212 01:01:14,090 --> 01:01:16,880 decorating furniture in Grand Rapids 1213 01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,940 and probably just trying to make ends meet. 1214 01:01:19,940 --> 01:01:21,490 I remember in his latter days, 1215 01:01:21,490 --> 01:01:23,680 we looked up his addresses and every year, 1216 01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,510 he had a different address. 1217 01:01:25,510 --> 01:01:28,330 I think his health gets progressively worse and worse 1218 01:01:28,330 --> 01:01:31,050 and he just is unable to take care of himself 1219 01:01:31,050 --> 01:01:33,910 and has neither the means nor the health 1220 01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:35,430 to take care of himself. 1221 01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:38,460 And luckily, one of his later jobs 1222 01:01:38,460 --> 01:01:42,920 is in a furniture factory owned by Albert Heemstra. 1223 01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,760 And it seems like Albert Heemstra was this, 1224 01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,680 on the surface, very different person from Radebaugh, 1225 01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:52,030 like very religious and conservative and proper, 1226 01:01:52,030 --> 01:01:55,290 but it seems like they saw something in one another. 1227 01:01:55,290 --> 01:01:58,490 It must've been actually a very significant and deep tie 1228 01:01:58,490 --> 01:02:01,110 because the Heemstra family 1229 01:02:01,110 --> 01:02:03,060 ends up taking care of Radebaugh in some ways 1230 01:02:03,060 --> 01:02:05,010 and then, apparently, taking care of his wife 1231 01:02:05,010 --> 01:02:07,990 for what amounts to almost several decades 1232 01:02:07,990 --> 01:02:09,700 after Radebaugh passes away. 1233 01:02:09,700 --> 01:02:12,010 So there was some real devotion 1234 01:02:12,010 --> 01:02:13,770 and probably sense of duty there 1235 01:02:13,770 --> 01:02:16,433 from the Heemstras towards the Radebaughs. 1236 01:02:18,100 --> 01:02:21,547 - Art would say, "Hey, Danny Boy! 1237 01:02:21,547 --> 01:02:24,637 "How you doin'? C'mon over here, Danny Boy! 1238 01:02:24,637 --> 01:02:26,987 "What are you doing today? You up to any good?" 1239 01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:33,700 Very much sort of Ralph Kramden, you know? 1240 01:02:33,700 --> 01:02:35,900 Jackie Gleason a little bit. 1241 01:02:35,900 --> 01:02:38,960 'Cause he certainly had that profile going on. 1242 01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,950 Best I could tell, I met Art Radebaugh about 1966 1243 01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:44,650 when he came to work for my father 1244 01:02:44,650 --> 01:02:46,683 out in the country in Cascade, Michigan. 1245 01:02:48,460 --> 01:02:51,780 We lived on an old 100 year old farm. 1246 01:02:51,780 --> 01:02:53,430 We weren't farmers. 1247 01:02:53,430 --> 01:02:58,430 My father ran his sign painting business out of the barn. 1248 01:02:58,570 --> 01:03:02,233 So instead of cows, we had signs and paint and lots of it. 1249 01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:07,600 My father got a contract to decorate these desks, 1250 01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:09,830 black lacquer desks. 1251 01:03:09,830 --> 01:03:12,470 And what Art did was he decorated them 1252 01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:16,610 with this gesso paint, where you would actually build up 1253 01:03:16,610 --> 01:03:19,930 three-dimensional and he'd make these little 1254 01:03:19,930 --> 01:03:22,360 Japanese ladies and the little bridges 1255 01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,980 and little trees and so forth 1256 01:03:24,980 --> 01:03:28,110 and decorate these desks very ornate. 1257 01:03:28,110 --> 01:03:30,730 And Art would just scoot around the desk. 1258 01:03:30,730 --> 01:03:32,460 He had patterns, perforated patterns 1259 01:03:32,460 --> 01:03:36,050 he'd dust chalk through, make a dotted outline. 1260 01:03:36,050 --> 01:03:39,630 And then he'd just paint these dancing women. 1261 01:03:39,630 --> 01:03:42,600 - Well, we just painted these little figures. 1262 01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:44,650 When I met Arthur Radebaugh, 1263 01:03:44,650 --> 01:03:49,650 I was introduced by another person that worked at the studio 1264 01:03:51,130 --> 01:03:53,770 and it's like, when our eyes met 1265 01:03:57,150 --> 01:03:59,340 I knew he was something special, 1266 01:03:59,340 --> 01:04:02,940 and I knew that him and I were gonna be friends. 1267 01:04:02,940 --> 01:04:04,930 Arthur and I, after we'd become friends, 1268 01:04:04,930 --> 01:04:08,300 we always had lunch together down in the parking lot, 1269 01:04:08,300 --> 01:04:10,640 maybe in his van or maybe 1270 01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,410 just anywhere we could find a place to sit. 1271 01:04:13,410 --> 01:04:15,300 - Here comes LaVon. 1272 01:04:15,300 --> 01:04:18,910 And I look out the window and there's this bizarre van, 1273 01:04:18,910 --> 01:04:20,403 pulls up the driveway. 1274 01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,460 And it's all painted up. 1275 01:04:23,460 --> 01:04:25,490 It was just bizarre, so I went out 1276 01:04:25,490 --> 01:04:27,030 and she had Arthur with her. 1277 01:04:27,030 --> 01:04:28,770 He took her home from work. 1278 01:04:28,770 --> 01:04:29,960 He was very well dressed. 1279 01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:33,170 He had really shiny shoes, pressed pants, 1280 01:04:33,170 --> 01:04:35,370 and he was just so different. 1281 01:04:35,370 --> 01:04:38,650 And when I saw his van, I was just totally blown away 1282 01:04:38,650 --> 01:04:40,277 'cause I looked in the back of the van 1283 01:04:40,277 --> 01:04:42,500 and he's got a beautiful drawing table 1284 01:04:42,500 --> 01:04:45,670 in the back of the van, airbrush, 1285 01:04:45,670 --> 01:04:48,193 and he started showing me his studio. 1286 01:04:49,100 --> 01:04:51,640 I'd never met anybody like him. 1287 01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:53,940 - Well, it was pretty exciting 1288 01:04:53,940 --> 01:04:58,940 to turn up those photos of him with his space car. 1289 01:04:59,170 --> 01:05:02,580 - Chrome loop was for a wireless telephone. 1290 01:05:02,580 --> 01:05:05,680 About almost 16 inches diameter or whatever, 1291 01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,420 it stuck straight out and that was for the phone, 1292 01:05:08,420 --> 01:05:09,290 the telephone. 1293 01:05:09,290 --> 01:05:10,960 - You know, he had to have retrofitted 1294 01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,420 and souped up this Ford van so it looked really futuristic 1295 01:05:14,420 --> 01:05:17,020 and it said Closer Than We Think on the side. 1296 01:05:17,020 --> 01:05:19,100 And one of the ways that I think he then promotes it 1297 01:05:19,100 --> 01:05:20,550 is to drive around the country 1298 01:05:20,550 --> 01:05:22,920 in his Closer Than We Think van 1299 01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,810 and be doing illustrations while he's just 1300 01:05:25,810 --> 01:05:27,950 out there traveling on the road being an artist 1301 01:05:27,950 --> 01:05:29,550 and rolling into town 1302 01:05:29,550 --> 01:05:30,921 and probably everybody clamors up 1303 01:05:30,921 --> 01:05:32,847 and they're like, "Wow, what's that futuristic van? 1304 01:05:32,847 --> 01:05:34,547 "Wow, there's an artist in there!" 1305 01:05:36,790 --> 01:05:39,490 What an interesting, kinda fun, 1306 01:05:39,490 --> 01:05:42,150 kinda enigmatic way to promote yourself. 1307 01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:43,670 - Here's a struggling illustrator 1308 01:05:43,670 --> 01:05:46,730 without any safety net who... 1309 01:05:46,730 --> 01:05:50,210 He put that van together to go get journeyman work, 1310 01:05:50,210 --> 01:05:51,050 I would imagine. 1311 01:05:51,050 --> 01:05:53,200 I mean, it was, here I am. 1312 01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:54,730 I am this crazy. 1313 01:05:54,730 --> 01:05:56,060 You know my work. 1314 01:05:56,060 --> 01:05:57,980 My work is about the future. 1315 01:05:57,980 --> 01:05:59,250 And I'm here in my van 1316 01:05:59,250 --> 01:06:01,360 and we're gonna do some work, whatever. 1317 01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:04,000 He kept reinventing himself several times. 1318 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:05,930 - My brother wound up buying that van, 1319 01:06:05,930 --> 01:06:06,820 he and the neighbor guy, 1320 01:06:06,820 --> 01:06:08,840 and they turned it into a field car basically, 1321 01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:10,670 which is sad, but it was tired by then. 1322 01:06:10,670 --> 01:06:12,990 I'm talking the end of the '60s. 1323 01:06:12,990 --> 01:06:16,930 That English Ford van was something of the '50s. 1324 01:06:16,930 --> 01:06:18,930 But it all started, though, 1325 01:06:18,930 --> 01:06:23,340 with his ability as an illustrator, okay. 1326 01:06:23,340 --> 01:06:27,960 And to be able to take something from his mind 1327 01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,247 or something someone else would say as 1328 01:06:30,247 --> 01:06:32,937 "Hey, make me this thing." 1329 01:06:34,310 --> 01:06:35,510 He could do it. 1330 01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:38,150 And then that ability is what 1331 01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:39,840 gave him the ability to look at the future. 1332 01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:43,610 In other words, if I can put down in paint 1333 01:06:43,610 --> 01:06:48,160 something that somebody can imagine or I can imagine, 1334 01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,083 well, I can imagine a whole lot. 1335 01:06:51,748 --> 01:06:53,260 And then that's where he just went with it. 1336 01:06:53,260 --> 01:06:55,900 It was because he had the ability 1337 01:06:55,900 --> 01:06:58,270 that he went and did all that stuff. 1338 01:06:58,270 --> 01:07:01,430 - People often said that he was very much 1339 01:07:01,430 --> 01:07:05,360 artistically driven, that his work was not 1340 01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:09,470 really product-oriented, and I think it's true. 1341 01:07:09,470 --> 01:07:11,350 - Somewhere in his young life, 1342 01:07:11,350 --> 01:07:14,020 I would say between the age of nine and 15, 1343 01:07:14,020 --> 01:07:18,630 Arthur, like the rest of any dedicated artist will tell you, 1344 01:07:18,630 --> 01:07:23,630 that they see maybe one person that just sets them on fire 1345 01:07:26,860 --> 01:07:29,140 as far as it clicks. 1346 01:07:29,140 --> 01:07:32,350 Something clicks in your mind about... 1347 01:07:32,350 --> 01:07:37,120 It's a desire, it's a fire, it's an entire lifetime 1348 01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:41,620 of seeking to do that, what you see 1349 01:07:41,620 --> 01:07:44,950 in this other artist or whatever, this illustrations, 1350 01:07:44,950 --> 01:07:47,300 and something must've clicked for Arthur 1351 01:07:47,300 --> 01:07:48,620 in his younger years. 1352 01:07:48,620 --> 01:07:52,310 I would really like to see his school work. 1353 01:07:52,310 --> 01:07:56,263 I'm betting it would possibly be included in that. 1354 01:07:57,650 --> 01:08:00,720 - His non-technical skill is already really good 1355 01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:05,720 and he's drawing images of dragons and conquistador ships 1356 01:08:08,850 --> 01:08:11,173 and sort of vaguely fantastical stuff. 1357 01:08:11,173 --> 01:08:13,200 There's some cars in there and stuff too. 1358 01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:18,192 So you can sort of see the imaginings 1359 01:08:18,192 --> 01:08:20,370 of an unusual young man 1360 01:08:20,370 --> 01:08:23,350 who has a sense for the fantasy world already. 1361 01:08:23,350 --> 01:08:27,823 - When we talked to different artists who worked with him 1362 01:08:27,823 --> 01:08:30,040 as well as some of the people who knew him 1363 01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:31,110 towards the end of his life, 1364 01:08:31,110 --> 01:08:34,343 no one was really certain what influenced him. 1365 01:08:37,700 --> 01:08:41,563 People had emphasized that it seemed to come from within, 1366 01:08:43,410 --> 01:08:47,877 that it was just his own creations. 1367 01:08:52,540 --> 01:08:54,793 So we really don't know. 1368 01:08:54,793 --> 01:08:56,780 - When he would go through, walk through the studio, 1369 01:08:56,780 --> 01:08:58,930 he seemed to be thinking. 1370 01:08:58,930 --> 01:09:00,560 He was like a thinker, I think. 1371 01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:02,670 He would just quietly go through. 1372 01:09:02,670 --> 01:09:05,520 He wouldn't stop and congregate. 1373 01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,710 He was a very serious illustrator, in my opinion. 1374 01:09:08,710 --> 01:09:09,893 Always focused. 1375 01:09:11,270 --> 01:09:12,810 - I'm sure he isolated. 1376 01:09:12,810 --> 01:09:17,810 He was in his own world all the time. 1377 01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:22,063 - He was married, but never discussed children. 1378 01:09:24,810 --> 01:09:25,743 Quite private. 1379 01:09:27,740 --> 01:09:31,900 - And he never really did talk about his past. 1380 01:09:31,900 --> 01:09:33,223 I had no idea. 1381 01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:43,060 - Radebaugh marries Nancy Harrington in 1934. 1382 01:09:43,060 --> 01:09:44,960 She also went to Sturgis High School. 1383 01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,090 She's in the yearbook a couple years later. 1384 01:09:47,090 --> 01:09:49,863 And they remained married until Radebaugh's death. 1385 01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:54,610 Nancy, his wife, dies about 1386 01:09:54,610 --> 01:09:57,530 I think 18 years later in California. 1387 01:09:57,530 --> 01:10:00,500 - My dad had made Art a promise 1388 01:10:00,500 --> 01:10:03,090 that he would always take care of Nancy. 1389 01:10:03,090 --> 01:10:07,080 And so about six months after Art died, or maybe less, 1390 01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:12,080 my folks got her into a place called the Wissahickon Inn, 1391 01:10:12,970 --> 01:10:15,490 which was a retirement home in Redlands. 1392 01:10:15,490 --> 01:10:18,680 And she had a little studio there 1393 01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:20,580 and then that's where she lived out her days 1394 01:10:20,580 --> 01:10:21,883 in Redlands, California. 1395 01:10:24,180 --> 01:10:28,810 Nancy was very mousy, very quiet. 1396 01:10:28,810 --> 01:10:32,035 Certainly not unheard of for a wife 1397 01:10:32,035 --> 01:10:36,470 in the '40s, '50s, and '60s to be the wife 1398 01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:38,200 and take care of the house 1399 01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:41,590 and let the man do all the doing and thinking and stuff, 1400 01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:43,700 and it was that kind of relationship. 1401 01:10:43,700 --> 01:10:45,960 - I never met Nancy. 1402 01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:47,613 And that's just something I did. 1403 01:10:49,810 --> 01:10:53,173 She never came to the studio. 1404 01:10:54,510 --> 01:10:57,093 He never talked about her much. 1405 01:11:01,610 --> 01:11:03,170 When he did tell me the story 1406 01:11:03,170 --> 01:11:06,963 about Nancy burning his artwork, 1407 01:11:08,530 --> 01:11:13,240 you could tell he felt really deeply hurt, 1408 01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:14,903 very deeply hurt by it. 1409 01:11:18,980 --> 01:11:21,453 I don't think she understood him very well. 1410 01:11:24,100 --> 01:11:27,490 - It's not uncommon, actually, to find so many gaps 1411 01:11:27,490 --> 01:11:30,250 in histories of artists like Radebaugh, 1412 01:11:30,250 --> 01:11:32,833 and especially folks that came before him. 1413 01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,180 Comics throughout history 1414 01:11:38,180 --> 01:11:40,090 have been considered a lower art form 1415 01:11:40,090 --> 01:11:42,730 because people think they were just made for kids 1416 01:11:42,730 --> 01:11:45,330 or made for the masses or really, 1417 01:11:45,330 --> 01:11:48,480 when they first emerged in the newspapers, 1418 01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:51,270 made to just sell more papers, for commercial purposes. 1419 01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:55,120 So with those ideas in mind, this stuff was never saved. 1420 01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:59,280 I mean, really, up until the 1940s and sometimes even later, 1421 01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:02,320 it's rare that original art was saved 1422 01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:06,100 because the idea was to get it into print and then move on. 1423 01:12:06,100 --> 01:12:10,560 It was a real business and it was not looked at as fine art 1424 01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:11,980 because it's so mass produced, 1425 01:12:11,980 --> 01:12:13,640 I think, is one of the reasons. 1426 01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,840 A lot of the things that have survived, luckily, 1427 01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:19,923 are newspaper tear sheets and clippings, 1428 01:12:20,980 --> 01:12:23,930 and many of those things were even thrown out by libraries 1429 01:12:23,930 --> 01:12:26,760 when they transferred their collections to microfilm. 1430 01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,550 And microfilm, of course, is really not great 1431 01:12:29,550 --> 01:12:31,040 because it's only in black and white 1432 01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:35,160 so all the beautiful color from Sunday comics pages 1433 01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:38,460 is completely lost and it's not durable 'cause it's film, 1434 01:12:38,460 --> 01:12:40,470 so the more it's used, the more it's scratched up 1435 01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:41,870 and covered in fingerprints. 1436 01:12:41,870 --> 01:12:45,600 So the actual clippings 1437 01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,340 that happened to be saved by certain collectors, 1438 01:12:48,340 --> 01:12:50,810 in many cases, they are literally the only evidence 1439 01:12:50,810 --> 01:12:52,660 that a lot of this stuff has existed. 1440 01:12:54,910 --> 01:12:58,200 - Commercially, once the job's over, nobody cares. 1441 01:12:58,200 --> 01:12:59,490 They're on to the next job. 1442 01:12:59,490 --> 01:13:03,140 All the U.S. Steel art was going to be destroyed 1443 01:13:03,140 --> 01:13:04,700 by the agency in Pittsburgh. 1444 01:13:04,700 --> 01:13:08,100 It's a merchandising, advertising effort. 1445 01:13:08,100 --> 01:13:10,170 Had nothing to do with keeping it 1446 01:13:10,170 --> 01:13:11,850 or treasuring it or any of that. 1447 01:13:11,850 --> 01:13:13,090 It was momentary. 1448 01:13:13,090 --> 01:13:15,690 The books were printed. They were given out to the auto industry 1449 01:13:15,690 --> 01:13:18,320 and vehicle designers all over the world. 1450 01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:21,950 And once the job is over, then they don't care. 1451 01:13:21,950 --> 01:13:24,480 So it's a whole thing of 1452 01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:26,150 how important is this and why, 1453 01:13:26,150 --> 01:13:27,800 socially or technologically 1454 01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:31,450 or as a media museum review, 1455 01:13:31,450 --> 01:13:33,840 and that's sort of a rare thing. 1456 01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:38,080 The honorific keeping of what's been done 1457 01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,373 is not that common. 1458 01:13:44,230 --> 01:13:45,960 - I've gotta believe that there are 1459 01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:48,110 things that are in the world now 1460 01:13:48,110 --> 01:13:52,220 that only exist because Radebaugh dreamed them up, 1461 01:13:52,220 --> 01:13:54,750 put them in a drawing, and then let the rest of us 1462 01:13:54,750 --> 01:13:58,820 imagine with him what the world with that in it could be. 1463 01:13:58,820 --> 01:14:02,460 I think futurists and people making guesses about the future 1464 01:14:02,460 --> 01:14:07,293 is part of what drives technological change. 1465 01:14:09,070 --> 01:14:11,340 - We're within striking distance of truly curing 1466 01:14:11,340 --> 01:14:13,630 these massively important diseases. 1467 01:14:13,630 --> 01:14:16,200 That's not tissue engineering, it's not replacing parts, 1468 01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:17,970 but it achieves the same objective. 1469 01:14:17,970 --> 01:14:19,950 It makes the body biologically younger. 1470 01:14:19,950 --> 01:14:22,920 I believe that by 40 or 50 years from now, 1471 01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:24,210 we have a very good chance, 1472 01:14:24,210 --> 01:14:27,820 I would say at least 70 or 80 percent, of reaching a point 1473 01:14:27,820 --> 01:14:30,210 that I've called longevity escape velocity. 1474 01:14:30,210 --> 01:14:32,520 Essentially, what that means is that, 1475 01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,050 even though our therapies for 1476 01:14:35,050 --> 01:14:36,390 repairing damage in the body, 1477 01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:37,640 whether at the organ level 1478 01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:39,790 or at the molecular or cellular level, 1479 01:14:39,790 --> 01:14:42,020 will not be perfect by that point, 1480 01:14:42,020 --> 01:14:43,610 they will be very good, 1481 01:14:43,610 --> 01:14:45,380 hey will be very comprehensive. 1482 01:14:45,380 --> 01:14:48,330 So comprehensive that the residual damage 1483 01:14:48,330 --> 01:14:51,590 that we can't yet repair will accumulate really slowly 1484 01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:52,620 and we'll have time 1485 01:14:52,620 --> 01:14:54,920 to incrementally improve the therapies further 1486 01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:56,300 as time goes by. 1487 01:14:56,300 --> 01:14:57,815 So it will be equivalent, from the point of view 1488 01:14:57,815 --> 01:15:00,920 of the individual who receives these therapies, 1489 01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:03,530 to the situation in which the therapies really were perfect. 1490 01:15:03,530 --> 01:15:04,630 The total amount of damage 1491 01:15:04,630 --> 01:15:06,430 that the person is carrying around 1492 01:15:06,430 --> 01:15:08,670 will be nowhere near the level that's bad for you 1493 01:15:08,670 --> 01:15:11,050 that causes pathologies of any kind. 1494 01:15:11,050 --> 01:15:14,473 I believe that, yes, we've got a very good chance of getting there by that time. 1495 01:15:17,140 --> 01:15:19,990 - His two designs with the electric car 1496 01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:21,650 and the autonomous car, 1497 01:15:21,650 --> 01:15:25,680 he probably didn't see that quite being the same, 1498 01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:27,500 but I'm sure, had he thought it through, 1499 01:15:27,500 --> 01:15:28,990 he would have seen it. 1500 01:15:28,990 --> 01:15:33,270 He just didn't know how far advanced the technology would go 1501 01:15:33,270 --> 01:15:35,330 once we really got serious about it. 1502 01:15:35,330 --> 01:15:37,970 Other than the car manufacturers 1503 01:15:37,970 --> 01:15:41,290 and oil companies fighting us 10-15 years ago, 1504 01:15:41,290 --> 01:15:43,600 that delayed us a good decade, 1505 01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:47,280 but once Elon Musk and Tesla started going, 1506 01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:49,500 it was very clear to everybody paying attention 1507 01:15:49,500 --> 01:15:50,800 what the end game was, 1508 01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,480 and the only question was how fast we would get there. 1509 01:15:53,480 --> 01:15:57,170 But that all autonomous vehicles would be fully electric 1510 01:15:57,170 --> 01:16:01,123 is pretty much agreed upon by everybody in this space. 1511 01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:08,697 - Somebody said, "Arthur's in the hospital. He's sick." 1512 01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:11,443 And I went to the hospital. 1513 01:16:13,130 --> 01:16:18,130 The nurse, she said, "Are you family?" 1514 01:16:20,540 --> 01:16:21,820 I said, "Yes." 1515 01:16:21,820 --> 01:16:24,100 I felt like they didn't really want him 1516 01:16:24,100 --> 01:16:25,840 to have visitors or something. 1517 01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:27,063 That's the way I felt. 1518 01:16:28,070 --> 01:16:29,510 That's all I can tell you 1519 01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:33,090 is he was very, very weak and ill. 1520 01:16:33,090 --> 01:16:34,320 We talked. 1521 01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:35,760 We just talked and... 1522 01:16:37,670 --> 01:16:40,823 We just accepted each other as human beings. 1523 01:16:42,270 --> 01:16:45,210 I was the only person to visit Arthur in the hospital 1524 01:16:45,210 --> 01:16:46,520 as far as I know. 1525 01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:50,193 I was there all but five hours until he passed away. 1526 01:16:51,650 --> 01:16:52,800 He had no children. 1527 01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:55,093 Arthur was real quiet. 1528 01:16:56,403 --> 01:16:59,823 He was at peace with himself when he went there. 1529 01:17:01,090 --> 01:17:04,390 He knew he was gonna, probably knew he was gonna pass away. 1530 01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:14,470 - Well, I know from his death certificate, 1531 01:17:14,470 --> 01:17:15,430 he had heart problems. 1532 01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:18,400 I know that Radebaugh had a problem with alcohol 1533 01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:20,590 and that that had damaged his career. 1534 01:17:20,590 --> 01:17:23,450 From finding out how he spent the end of his life, 1535 01:17:23,450 --> 01:17:26,380 painting furniture, and not artistically, 1536 01:17:26,380 --> 01:17:30,220 just decorating and just painting finishes basically, 1537 01:17:30,220 --> 01:17:33,040 that clearly must have been a blow to him 1538 01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:35,090 to be spending his last years 1539 01:17:35,090 --> 01:17:37,530 putting finishes, varnish and what have you, 1540 01:17:37,530 --> 01:17:40,190 or painting flowers or something on a piece of furniture, 1541 01:17:40,190 --> 01:17:43,940 it must have been very humbling, I would think, 1542 01:17:43,940 --> 01:17:45,193 for somebody like him. 1543 01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,130 When I think of Radebaugh's last years, 1544 01:17:52,130 --> 01:17:55,210 I think it was a very depressing, very sad end 1545 01:17:55,210 --> 01:17:59,760 to somebody who had really given so many so much 1546 01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,010 with his artwork and really was so influential, 1547 01:18:03,010 --> 01:18:06,303 to see him to have fallen to so low. 1548 01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:12,863 To me, that's a very sad position that he ended up in. 1549 01:18:15,010 --> 01:18:17,420 - Uncertainty is a characteristic 1550 01:18:17,420 --> 01:18:20,120 that human beings just don't like. 1551 01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,490 And if you can synthesize a future that's interesting 1552 01:18:23,490 --> 01:18:27,070 or exciting or even a cathartic effect, 1553 01:18:27,070 --> 01:18:30,020 it's just part of the human psyche. 1554 01:18:30,020 --> 01:18:32,673 You're responding to how humans like to think. 1555 01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:37,300 What we do is we like a response to the question, 1556 01:18:37,300 --> 01:18:39,870 what's gonna happen, what's gonna happen to me? 1557 01:18:39,870 --> 01:18:42,150 Where are we all going? Why? 1558 01:18:42,150 --> 01:18:47,150 And it's a very, very human thing. 1559 01:18:47,500 --> 01:18:50,900 From time immemorial that the early man 1560 01:18:50,900 --> 01:18:52,290 kept track of the stars 1561 01:18:52,290 --> 01:18:55,080 and the rotation of the earth relative to the sun 1562 01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:57,330 and the equinox and all that 1563 01:18:57,330 --> 01:18:59,750 because they wanted predictability. 1564 01:18:59,750 --> 01:19:01,720 And once you got to that stage, 1565 01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:06,430 then you started to build things like the observatories 1566 01:19:06,430 --> 01:19:08,410 in the Middle East at that time. 1567 01:19:08,410 --> 01:19:12,640 You had Stonehenge and the Egyptians and at equinox, 1568 01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:14,650 there's a light that would come down the shaft, bing, 1569 01:19:14,650 --> 01:19:17,450 and then light up the god's face or whatever, 1570 01:19:17,450 --> 01:19:21,607 and that meant that, "Oh, wow, we got through that again. 1571 01:19:21,607 --> 01:19:23,860 "And now we're ready to start another cycle." 1572 01:19:23,860 --> 01:19:28,340 Predictability is intrinsic to the way we think 1573 01:19:28,340 --> 01:19:29,710 'cause we're intelligent 1574 01:19:29,710 --> 01:19:33,790 and we have the ability to synthesize experience, 1575 01:19:33,790 --> 01:19:35,190 and animals don't have that. 1576 01:19:36,650 --> 01:19:38,110 - When I was young, 1577 01:19:38,110 --> 01:19:41,590 probably one of the most inspiring pieces of art 1578 01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:43,200 that I'd always see in the magazine 1579 01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:46,210 were the car illustrations. 1580 01:19:46,210 --> 01:19:49,220 There was some beautiful work being done. 1581 01:19:49,220 --> 01:19:52,100 Full color reproduced in a post 1582 01:19:52,100 --> 01:19:56,120 and glamor magazines of the period 1583 01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:58,430 were very inspirational to a young artist. 1584 01:19:58,430 --> 01:20:01,950 And everybody wanted to be back in Detroit 1585 01:20:01,950 --> 01:20:04,643 and doing these kind of assignments. 1586 01:20:05,650 --> 01:20:07,650 He was very lucky to be able to do that. 1587 01:20:08,660 --> 01:20:11,673 - The legacy of Radebaugh is sort of multifaceted. 1588 01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:18,380 The future killed him while he was creating the future. 1589 01:20:18,380 --> 01:20:21,320 The future arrived, and he was talking about 1590 01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:22,540 what would the future look like. 1591 01:20:22,540 --> 01:20:26,833 But when the future got here, it made him redundant. 1592 01:20:27,780 --> 01:20:32,200 He helped create the future by imagining the future, 1593 01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:35,510 by being part of how we talked about 1594 01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:36,707 what we wanted from the future, 1595 01:20:36,707 --> 01:20:38,850 and what the future might be bringing us, 1596 01:20:38,850 --> 01:20:42,533 and are these ideas worth chasing and some of them were. 1597 01:20:43,660 --> 01:20:47,200 But the future also destroyed him a couple of times. 1598 01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:52,030 It destroyed him when illustration went out of fashion 1599 01:20:52,030 --> 01:20:53,630 and photography came into fashion 1600 01:20:53,630 --> 01:20:54,960 in the world of illustration 1601 01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:58,930 for magazine covers and for advertising. 1602 01:20:58,930 --> 01:21:02,967 He reinvented himself as a futurist illustrator 1603 01:21:02,967 --> 01:21:04,643 and a Sunday funnies guy. 1604 01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:07,100 And had to. 1605 01:21:07,100 --> 01:21:09,190 You know, it's like, wow, I'm middle aged 1606 01:21:09,190 --> 01:21:12,270 and don't have a job and the illustration house 1607 01:21:12,270 --> 01:21:16,020 that was this king of illustration, 1608 01:21:16,020 --> 01:21:21,020 this little empire of illustration, and I was one of their, 1609 01:21:21,460 --> 01:21:23,573 certainly their most fanciful prints, 1610 01:21:25,150 --> 01:21:26,490 doesn't exist anymore. 1611 01:21:26,490 --> 01:21:29,260 It's been swallowed up and folded and sold 1612 01:21:29,260 --> 01:21:32,223 and the people aren't in demand. 1613 01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:35,050 That's pretty frightening, you know, 1614 01:21:35,050 --> 01:21:36,313 'cause he was no kid. 1615 01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:42,830 I respect that he was able to reinvent himself 1616 01:21:42,830 --> 01:21:44,633 within what he did already. 1617 01:21:47,050 --> 01:21:49,900 - We met two women. 1618 01:21:49,900 --> 01:21:51,990 - Kat and LaVon, the two sisters, 1619 01:21:51,990 --> 01:21:54,145 and LaVon had worked with Radebaugh. 1620 01:21:54,145 --> 01:21:57,830 LaVon had been a young woman at the time 1621 01:21:57,830 --> 01:22:00,370 that she and Radebaugh sort of were teamed up 1622 01:22:00,370 --> 01:22:04,050 in this high end furniture decorating factory. 1623 01:22:04,050 --> 01:22:06,483 And they were mischievous. 1624 01:22:07,476 --> 01:22:08,720 I don't think LaVon was really aware 1625 01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:12,293 that Radebaugh had been the nationally famous, 1626 01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:15,300 futuristic imagineer. 1627 01:22:15,300 --> 01:22:17,680 She maybe saw glimmers of that. 1628 01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:20,170 She really had gathered this impression 1629 01:22:20,170 --> 01:22:23,410 that Radebaugh really wasn't from the planet Earth. 1630 01:22:23,410 --> 01:22:27,010 And then we go out to the Veterans Memorial Facility 1631 01:22:27,010 --> 01:22:29,493 where supposedly Radebaugh's interred, 1632 01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:35,600 and we get there and we make our inquiry, 1633 01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,370 and even though it says on his death certificate 1634 01:22:38,370 --> 01:22:39,250 that he's interred there, 1635 01:22:39,250 --> 01:22:41,997 they're like, "Nope, we have no evidence of that." 1636 01:22:41,997 --> 01:22:44,250 And basically, Kat and LaVon just look at us 1637 01:22:44,250 --> 01:22:47,990 and were like, "We told you so." 1638 01:22:47,990 --> 01:22:50,053 Like, "We told you that Radebaugh wasn't really from Earth 1639 01:22:50,053 --> 01:22:51,580 "and that he's not really dead." 1640 01:22:51,580 --> 01:22:54,530 And there's just sort of this mystique around him. 1641 01:22:54,530 --> 01:22:56,240 Finally, the end of the story 1642 01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:59,370 that we had traveled partway across the country to unravel, 1643 01:22:59,370 --> 01:23:01,970 and finally we get to the place where Radebaugh is... 1644 01:23:03,930 --> 01:23:08,393 He ends his career at sort of a low point, right, 1645 01:23:10,051 --> 01:23:12,890 and he passes away like somewhat anonymously 1646 01:23:12,890 --> 01:23:16,763 in a veterans facility, but he's not really there. 1647 01:23:17,628 --> 01:23:20,710 And it was a very fitting, mysterious ending 1648 01:23:20,710 --> 01:23:22,310 for the enigmatic Mr. Radebaugh. 1649 01:23:25,060 --> 01:23:26,200 - I think what's interesting 1650 01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:29,120 about studying past visions of the future 1651 01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:33,690 is that they rarely say something about the actual future. 1652 01:23:33,690 --> 01:23:34,840 We've become obsessed, 1653 01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:36,930 when it comes to past visions of the future, 1654 01:23:36,930 --> 01:23:39,073 what they got right, what they got wrong. 1655 01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:41,690 To me, the most interesting question 1656 01:23:41,690 --> 01:23:44,520 about these past visions of the future 1657 01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:47,600 is what they say about the people that made them. 1658 01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:50,270 A prediction of the future says much more 1659 01:23:50,270 --> 01:23:52,490 about the people making that prediction 1660 01:23:52,490 --> 01:23:54,980 and the time in which that prediction was made 1661 01:23:54,980 --> 01:23:57,267 than it does about the actual future. 1662 01:24:00,128 --> 01:24:03,045 (futuristic music) 125975

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