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ANDREW JACKSON: HELLO
I'M DOCTOR ANDY JACKSON.
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I'VE BEEN LEADING BIBLICAL TOURS
IN TURKEY FOR MANY YEARS,
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BUT TODAY IS A VERY,
VERY SPECIAL DAY
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BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BE MEETING
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A VERY CLOSE FRIEND OF MINE
DOCTOR MARK WILSON
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WHO'S THE AUTHOR OF
A VERY POPULAR BOOK
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CALLED "BIBLICAL TURKEY."
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TWENTY YEARS AGO WE JOURNEYED
THROUGH TURKEY TOGETHER
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AND NOW WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY
TO GO AND EXPLORE
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THE ANCIENT GRECO-ROMAN
CITY OF EPHESUS.
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I'M SITTING HERE IN A BEAUTIFUL
LOCATION NEAR THE AEGEAN SEA
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IT'S THE BAY OF THE
MODERN CITY OF IZMIR
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AND THIS IS BIBLICAL SMYRNA.
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AND SO HERE I'M WAITING
WITH A LOT OF ANTICIPATION
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TO MEET MARK AND ALSO
TO HAVE YOU AND INVITE YOU
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TO JOIN US ON THIS REALLY UNIQUE
TIME OF EXPLORING EPHESUS.
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OH THERE'S MARK NOW.
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MARK WILSON: ANDY GOOD
TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
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ANDREW JACKSON: BEEN SO LONG.
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MARK WILSON: YEAH
WELCOME BACK TO TURKEY.
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ANDREW JACKSON: I'M
SO EXCITED 20 YEARS AGO.
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IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE ISN'T IT?
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TIME'S MOVED SO FAST.
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THE FIRST TIME WE TRAVELED
TOGETHER THROUGH TURKEY,
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YOU REMEMBER THAT?
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MARK WILSON: ABSOLUTELY.
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THAT WAS MY
FIRST TIME IN TURKEY.
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I WAS JUST BEGINNING
MY OWN DOCTORAL STUDIES
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WORKING ON THE SEVEN CHURCHES.
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ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT NOW
AND AS YOU KNOW
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IN 2004 DINDY AND I MOVED HERE
TO THIS CITY, ANCIENT SMYRNA;
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LIVED HERE SIX YEARS
AND NOW WE'RE IN ANTALYA
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SO IT'S BEEN AN
AMAZING JOURNEY FOR US.
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AND IT ALL STARTED RIGHT HERE
WITH YOU IN 1992 ON THAT TRIP.
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ANDREW JACKSON:
WE STILL LOOK GOOD.
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ANDREW JACKSON: I'M
REALLY LOOKING FORWARD
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TO THIS TRIP TOGETHER
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TO DISCOVERING AND EXPLORING
EPHESUS WITH YOU.
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MARK WILSON: IT'S GOING
TO BE A GREAT JOURNEY
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SO LET'S HEAD DOWN THERE NOW.
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ANDREW JACKSON: ABSOLUTELY.
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LET'S GET GOING.
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MARK BOTH OF US
HAVE LIVED IN ISRAEL
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AND STUDIED THE LIFE OF JESUS
AND THE GOSPELS,
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BUT IT'S AMAZING TO ME HOW
MANY PEOPLE DO NOT REALIZE
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THAT TURKEY REALLY IS THE
FOCUS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.
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MARK WILSON: ABOUT TWO THIRDS
OF THE NEW TESTAMENT
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IS EITHER WRITTEN
TO OR FROM TURKEY.
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WE HAVE MOST OF PAUL'S
MISSIONARY JOURNEYS
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TAKING PLACE HERE.
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AND OF COURSE YOU
HAVE WESTERN TURKEY
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WITH THE SEVEN CHURCHES
OF REVELATIONS.
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SO, SO MUCH NEW TESTAMENT TAKES
PLACE IN THIS WONDERFUL LAND.
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ANDREW JACKSON: ABSOLUTELY.
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THIS IS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL LAND.
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JUST 10 YEARS AGO MAJORITY
OF TURKS DIDN'T EVEN KNOW
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THAT THEY WERE LIVING IN THE
LAND OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.
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MARK WILSON: I REMEMBER THAT.
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ANDREW JACKSON: ONE STORY
I DON'T KNOW IF I TOLD YOU,
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BUT I HAVE A FRIEND WHO
WAS DRIVING THROUGH TURKEY
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MAYBE 15 YEARS AGO,
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AND HE PICKED UP A
TURKISH HITCHHIKER.
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AND HE WAS TALKING TO HIM AND
THE HITCHHIKER ASKED MY FRIEND,
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"WELL WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?"
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AND HE SAID, "WE'RE DRIVING
THROUGH THE JOURNEYS OF PAUL,
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THE APOSTLE PAUL."
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AND WELL THE HITCHHIKER GOES,
"WHO'S THE APOSTLE PAUL?"
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AND HE GOES,
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"WELL HE'S ONE OF THE MAIN
LEADERS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT."
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AND THEN MY FRIEND ASKED HIM,
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"WELL WHERE DO YOU
LIVE IN TURKEY?"
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AND HE GOES, "TARSUS."
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MARK WILSON: YEAH,
PAUL'S HOME TOWN.
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ANDREW JACKSON: PAUL'S HOMETOWN.
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THAT KIND OF A GOOD EXAMPLE
AT THAT TIME.
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IT'S GETTING MUCH BETTER THOUGH.
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MARK WILSON:
WELL LET'S TAKE OFF.
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ANDREW WILSON: YEAH.
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ANDREW JACKSON: MARK
AS WE EXPLORE EPHESUS
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THERE'S GOING TO BE
A LOT OF TOPICS
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THAT WE'RE GOING TO
BE ABLE TO DISCUSS.
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AND I KNOW ONE OF THE TOPICS
I WANTED TO FOCUS IN ON
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IS THE THREE YEARS OF MINISTRY
THAT PAUL SPENT IN EPHESUS,
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THE LONGEST HE SPENT
ANYWHERE IN ANY CITY
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I'M REALLY EXCITED TO LOOK MORE
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INTO HIS THREE YEARS
OF MINISTRY THERE.
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MARK WILSON: YEAH I AGREE.
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WE GOT A GREAT ADVENTURE AHEAD.
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ONE OF THE THINGS
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO
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IS OUR VISIT TO PATMOS WHERE
JOHN RECEIVED THE REVELATION.
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SO SOMETIMES YOU
GET A LITTLE SEASICK,
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BUT I'M HOPEFUL
WE'LL MAKE IT OKAY.
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ANDREW JACKSON: YEAH I'M LOOKING
FORWARD TO THAT BOAT TRIP.
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AND THEN JUST HOW JOHN
RECEIVED THE BOOK OF REVELATION
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AND ALSO THE SEVEN CHURCHES
OF THE BOOK OF REVELATION.
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AND I THINK THAT'S VERY
IMPORTANT AS WE TALK ABOUT
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AND AS WE TRAVEL INTO PATMOS
AND WE GO DOWN TO LAODICEA
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TO DISCUSS A LOT ABOUT THE
SEVEN CHURCHES OF REVELATION.
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MARK WILSON: YEAH
SO AFTER PAUL DIES
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JOHN BECOMES THE LEADING FIGURE
IN THE CHURCH IN EPHESUS.
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ANDREW JACKSON: AND
I THINK JUST THE FACT
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THAT EPHESUS IS THE CENTER
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OF EARLY CHRISTIANITY AND
BIBLICAL CHRISTIANITY,
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AND THERE'S SO MUCH
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THAT WOULD BE APPLIED
TO OUR OWN FAITH TODAY
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AND OVERCOMING IN OUR FAITH,
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NOT BEING CONFORMED TO
THE CULTURE AROUND US.
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SO I THINK THAT WE'RE
JUST GOING TO HAVE
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A LOT OF TOPICS TO DISCUSS
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AND IT'S REALLY GOING
TO BE A RICH TIME.
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MARK WILSON: I AGREE.
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IT'S REALLY GOING
TO BE A GREAT TIME.
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NOW WE'VE GOT THE WHOLE HISTORY
OF THE SIGHTS BEFORE US.
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ANDREW JACKSON: THIS IS A
BEAUTIFUL VIEW OF EPHESUS.
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MARK WILSON: YEAH THE
WHOLE HISTORY OF THE CITY
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IS BUILT AROUND
THESE THREE HILLS.
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PEON IN THE MIDDLE,
CORESSUS ON THE LEFT,
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AND THEN TO THE
RIGHT AYASOLUK.
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ANDREW JACKSON: YEAH
AND EPHESUS WAS LOCATED
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IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION,
A DIFFERENT TIME IN HISTORY.
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THE IONIAN'S SETTLEMENT
WAS OVER THERE IN MOUNT PEON.
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THEN THEY MOVED OVER TO
THE TEMPLE OF ARTEMIS AREA,
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THE LIBYANS AND THE PERSIANS.
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AND THEN FROM THERE--
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MARK WILSON: ALEXANDER THE GREAT
COMES THROUGH--
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ANDREW JACKSON: YEAH
ALEXANDER THE GREAT AND THEN--
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MARK WILSON: THEN
GENERAL LYSIMACHUS
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MOVES THE HELLENISTIC CITY
BETWEEN THESE HILLS.
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WE CAN SEE THE INCREDIBLE WALLS
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FROM THE HELLENISTIC PERIOD
HERE ON TOP OF MOUNT CORESSUS.
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AND THEN IN FRONT OF US
WE'VE GOT THE ROMAN FORUM
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THAT THEY DEVELOPED.
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AND OF COURSE ANOTHER
THING WE CAN SEE
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IS THE ROUTE OF THE
SACRED PROCESSIONAL
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FROM THE TEMPLE OF ARTEMIS
THROUGH THE MAGNESIUM GATE
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AND THEN DOWN THROUGH THE CITY.
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ANDREW JACKSON: YEAH THEN
LATER ON AS THE GOTHS CAME IN
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AND DESTROYED THE
TEMPLE OF ARTEMIS
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AND THEN THE BYZANTINES
MOVED OUT RIGHT OVER HERE
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TO WHERE THE
SAINT JOHN'S BASILICA
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IS LOCATED.
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AND THEN AFTER THE BYZANTINE
EPHESUS THE TURKS CAME IN
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AND CONQUERED AND THAT
WAS OVER THE AREA THERE;
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THAT WOULD BE TURKISH EPHESUS.
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SO THIS GIVES US A VIEW OF
ALL OF THE HISTORY OF EPHESUS.
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IT'S A BEAUTIFUL VIEW.
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HERE WE ARE AT ONE OF THE SEVEN
WONDERS OF THE ANCIENT WORLD.
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IT'S THE SIGHT OF THE
TEMPLE OF ARTEMIS
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OF THE EPHESIANS.
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IT WAS ONE TIME LARGER
THAN A FOOTBALL FIELD.
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TODAY IT'S JUST AN
OPEN FIELD WITH A COLUMN
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BECAUSE THE GOTHS CAME IN
AD 262 AND DESTROYED IT ALL.
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BUT WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS
ABOUT WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE
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DURING THE TIME
OF PAUL AND JOHN
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AND THE EARLY CHRISTIANS
THAT LIVED HERE?
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MARK WILSON: THAT WAS
A TREMENDOUS SIGHT.
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IT WAS LIKE A FOREST
OF A 127 COLUMNS,
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THE LARGEST RELIGIOUS TEMPLE IN
THE ANCIENT WORLD AT THE TIME.
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IT FUNCTIONED FOUR
WAYS WITHIN THE CITY.
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IT WAS A REPOSITORY
FOR CIVIC DECREES.
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IT WAS A BANK.
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IT WAS AN ASYLUM FOR FUGITIVES.
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AND OF COURSE ITS MOST IMPORTANT
FUNCTION AS A RELIGIOUS CENTER
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AND IT WAS FROM THIS TEMPLE THAT
ALL THE SACRED PROCESSIONALS
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THAT REGULARLY WENT THROUGH
EPHESUS BOTH BEGAN AND ENDED.
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ANDY WHO'S THIS INTERESTING
FIGURE YOU'VE GOT IN YOUR HAND?
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ANDREW JACKSON: YEAH THIS IS A
REPLICA OF THE GODDESS ARTEMIS
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AND THIS IS THE TYPE OF REPLICA
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THAT THE PRIESTS OF
ARTEMIS USED TO TAKE
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AND WALK INTO THE SACRED
PROCESSIONAL THROUGH EPHESUS;
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THE UPPER CITY DOWN
THROUGH THE LOWER CITY.
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AND FROM HERE THE VISITORS COULD
HAVE LOOKED THROUGH THE TEMPLE
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AND SAW THE ORIGINAL STANDING
IN THE CENTER OF THE TEMPLE.
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THE APOSTLE PAUL
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IN HIS THIRD MISSIONARY
JOURNEY HEADING TO EPHESUS
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WENT ACROSS THE ROMAN PROVINCE
OF GALATIA TO LAODICEA
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WHEN HE ENTERED
THE PROVINCE OF ASIA.
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THEN HE CAME UP
THE MEANDER VALLEY
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TO THE CITY OF MAGNESIA;
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UP TO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW
AS HE WAS HEADING TO EPHESUS.
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MARK WILSON: PAUL MUST HAVE
BEEN EXTREMELY EXCITED
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WHEN HE REACHED
THIS POINT LOOKED UP
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AND SAW THIS MAGNIFICENT
TRIPLE ARCHED,
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ARCHITECTURAL STRUCTURE,
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READ THE BILINGUAL GREEK
AND LATIN INSCRIPTION
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THAT'S ABOVE US TELLING HIM
THAT C. SECTILIUS POLLIO
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HAD BUILT THIS AQUEDUCT
FOR THE CITY OF EPHESUS
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DEDICATED TO THE EMPEROR
AUGUSTUS AND TIBERIUS.
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AND AFTER WEEKS OF TRAVEL HIS
DESTINATION WAS SOON TO COME.
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ANDREW JACKSON: YES.
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VERY, VERY CLOSE TO EPHESUS.
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LET'S GO ON UP.
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MARK WILSON: HERE WE ARE
AMIDST THE THISTLES AND THORNS
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LOOKING AT THE IMPORTANT
EASTERN GATE OF THE CITY,
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THE MAGNESIUM GATE.
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AND THIS CONNECTED EPHESUS
WITH ITS SISTER CITY MAGNESIA
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ON THE MEANDER ABOUT
15 MILES SOUTHEAST.
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AND THROUGH THIS GATE THE SACRED
PROCESSIONALS RELATED TO ARTEMIS
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CAME INTO THE UPPER CITY.
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ANDREW JACKSON: PAUL CAME
DOWN FROM LAODICEA
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DOWN THE MEANDER VALLEY THEN
HE WENT RIGHT THROUGH THIS GATE
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INTO THE CITY OF EPHESUS.
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LET'S GO.
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[MUSIC]
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[MUSIC]
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WOW HERE WE ARE.
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MARK WILSON: TWO MILLION PEOPLE
COME TO EPHESUS EACH YEAR NOW.
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[MUSIC]
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ANDREW JACKSON: MARK
THIS IS A BIG OPEN AREA.
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THIS IS UPPER EPHESUS.
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WHAT ROLE DID IT PLAY
IN THE CITY OF EPHESUS?
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MARK WILSON: WELL THIS IS THE
GOVERNMENTAL CENTER OF THE CITY
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CALLED THE CIVIC AGORA
OR THE ROMAN FORUM.
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ACTS 19 WE READ THAT THE TOWN
CLERK INTERVENED IN THE RIOT
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AND HIS OFFICES WOULD
HAVE BEEN IN THIS AREA.
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HE ALSO MENTIONS COURTS
WOULD BE IN SESSION.
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THIS IS THE AREA
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WHERE THE COURTS WOULD
HAVE TAKEN PLACE IN THE CITY.
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HERE TO OUR RIGHT
IS THE BULLETARIAN;
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THE TOWN COUNCIL
WOULD HAVE MET HERE;
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SO A VERY IMPORTANT PART
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OF THE ADMINISTRATION
OF ANCIENT EPHESUS.
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ANDREW JACKSON: A REALLY
IMPRESSIVE AREA OF EPHESUS.
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[MUSIC]
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MARK WILSON:
ROMAN EMPEROR WORSHIP
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WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE
WOULD CALL IMPERIAL CULT
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WAS VERY MUCH A PART
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OF THE RELIGIOUS ENVIRONMENT
OF EPHESUS.
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AND PAUL AND JOHN
WOULD HAVE INTERACTED
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WITH EMPEROR WORSHIP IN EPHESUS.
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AND HERE WE ARE AT A PLACE
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THAT IS VERY WELL KNOWN
FOR EMPEROR WORSHIP.
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ANDREW JACKSON: WE'RE LOOKING
AT WHAT ARCHEOLOGISTS BELIEVE
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IS THE SANCTUARY TO DIVUS JULIUS
THAT'S THE DIVINE JULIUS CAESAR
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AND THEA ROMA, THE PATRON
GODDESS OF THE CITY OF ROME.
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THE GREEKS WORSHIPPED LIVING
EMPERORS AS DIVINE BEINGS.
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HOWEVER, THE ROMANS
WOULDN'T DO THAT.
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IT WAS ONLY AFTER
THE EMPEROR DIED
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THAT THEY WOULD BEGIN
TO WORSHIP HIM.
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SO WHEN YOU READ IN THE BOOK
OF REVELATIONS CHAPTER 12
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ABOUT THE TWO BEASTS;
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WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WOMAN
SEATED ON SEVEN HILLS
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IN REVELATION 17
MYSTERY BABYLON,
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THIS IS ALL RELATED TO
THE IMPERIAL CULT WORSHIP
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THAT TOOK PLACE IN
A CITY LIKE EPHESUS.
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THE IMPERIAL CULT
EMPEROR WORSHIP
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WAS SUCH A PART OF EPHESUS
AND WE HAVE SO MUCH MORE TO SEE.
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LET'S GO SEE.
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A LOT TO SEE.
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MARK WILSON: OH ANDY
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WE'RE COMING INTO THE
MISSION SQUARE HERE.
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THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE
SIGHT STRAIGHT AHEAD.
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ANDREW JACKSON: EVEN
HOW HIGH THIS IS UP HERE
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IS QUITE AMAZING.
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MARK WILSON: YES IT'S A
MASSIVE INFRASTRUCTURE HERE,
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SUBSTRUCTURE HERE THAT THEY
BUILT THIS TEMPLE ON TOP OF.
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THIS IMPERIAL CULT TEMPLE
WE'RE LOOKING AT OF COURSE
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IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT
FOR THE HISTORY OF EPHESUS.
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IN THE FIRST CENTURY BC,
AROUND 27,
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THE GREEK ASSEMBLY AUTHORIZED
THE FIRST IMPERIAL CULT TEMPLE
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IN THE PROVINCE OF ASIA
AND THAT WAS IN PERGAMUM
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DURING THE REIGN OF AUGUSTUS.
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IN 26 AD THEY BUILT A
SECOND TEMPLE IN SMYRNA
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DURING THE TIME OF TIBERIUS,
BUT THE ROMAN SENATE
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WOULDN'T GIVE EPHESUS
AN IMPERIAL CULT TEMPLE
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BECAUSE THE PROMINENCE
OF THE ARTEMIS TEMPLE.
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ANDREW JACKSON: AND
IT WASN'T UNTIL THE END
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OF THE FIRST CENTURY
AROUND 89, 90
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THE EMPEROR DOMITIAN
BUILT THIS TEMPLE.
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AND IT'S THE AREA
JUST RIGHT HERE BELOW
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IS JUST THE LOWER STRUCTURE,
SUBSTRUCTURE.
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THE TEMPLE ACTUALLY WAS ON TOP
AND THIS WAS A MASSIVE COMPLEX
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OF EMPEROR WORSHIP
AND THE IMPERIAL CULT.
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AND THIS WAS BUILT AT THE TIME
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THAT THE APOSTLE JOHN WAS LIVING
HERE AND MINISTERING HERE.
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SO I'M SURE THAT WAS SOMETHING
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THAT WAS REALLY--
THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY HERE
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WHEN THEY SAW
THIS BEING BUILT
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MUST REALLY STIRRED UP
SOME EMOTIONS
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AS IT RELATES TO
THE TRUE LIVING GOD
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VERSUS THE ROMAN EMPEROR.
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MARK WILSON: THAT MAKES AN
IMPORTANT PROPAGANDA STATEMENT
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THAT CAESAR IS LORD
OVER THIS CITY.
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[MUSIC]
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[MUSIC]
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00:16:40,833 --> 00:16:43,300
ANDREW JACKSON: WE'RE LOOKING AT
A VERY IMPORTANT SCRIPTURE HERE
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RELATED TO THE IMPERIAL CULT.
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IT TALKS ABOUT EPHESUS
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BEING THE FIRST AND THE
GREATEST METROPOLIS OF ASIA
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BUT IT ALSO MENTIONS
THE SECOND NEOKOROS
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OF THE SECOND TEMPLE WARDEN
OF THE EMPEROR HERE.
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AND THIS IS THE KEY WORD,
NEOKOROS,
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THAT WE FIND IN ACTS CHAPTER 19
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TALKING ABOUT EPHESUS
AS BEING THE TEMPLE KEEPER
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FOR THE TEMPLE OF ARTEMIS.
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MARK WILSON:
THIS COLUMN SUMMARIZES
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THE RELIGIOUS ESSENCE
OF EPHESUS
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BECAUSE IT HAS
EMPEROR WORSHIP ON ONE SIDE
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AND IT HAS AN IMAGE OF
ARTEMIS ON THE OTHER SIDE.
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00:17:15,233 --> 00:17:18,167
AND I THINK WITH
BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER
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IT SUMMARIZES REALLY THE
RELIGIOUS CONTEXT OF EPHESUS.
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THE INTERNAL IDENTITY OF EPHESUS
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IS THE IMPERIAL CULT AND
THE WORSHIP OF ARTEMIS.
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AND WHEN WE PUT THEM
TOGETHER ON ONE COLUMN
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IT REALLY SUMMARIZES
WHAT EPHESUS IS ALL ABOUT.
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[MUSIC]
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[MUSIC]
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ANDREW JACKSON:
MARK YOU WROTE A BOOK
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ON THE THEME OF VICTORY
IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION
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WHICH IS A VERY IMPORTANT THEME
FOR US AS CHRISTIANS TODAY
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BECOMING OVERCOMERS
IN OUR FAITH.
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00:18:09,433 --> 00:18:11,533
CAN YOU TELL US A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT?
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MARK WILSON: WE ESPECIALLY
SEE IT IN THE LETTERS
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00:18:13,767 --> 00:18:14,733
TO THE SEVEN CHURCHES
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AND THEY CONCLUDE WITH
PROMISES TO THE VICTORS
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00:18:17,067 --> 00:18:19,067
AND THE CHURCHES
FOR OVERCOMING.
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AND THIS THEME OF
VICTORY IS EPITOMIZED
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ESPECIALLY IN THIS RELIEF
OF THE GREEK GODDESS NIKE
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THAT'S BEHIND US.
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SHE'S HOLDING IN HER
LEFT HAND THE VICTORY WREATH
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THAT'S AWARDED TO THE WINNERS
OF THE VARIOUS GAMES
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THAT WERE HELD IN
CITIES LIKE EPHESUS.
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IN HER RIGHT HAND SHE'S
HOLDING A PALM BRANCH.
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AND WHEN YOU SEE
THE VICTORS IN HEAVEN
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FROM EVERY NATION
PEOPLE TRIBE AND TONGUE
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GATHERED AROUND THE THRONE
THEY'RE HOLDING PALM BRANCHES
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IN THEIR RIGHT HAND.
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SO THE SYMBOLS THAT SHE HAS
IN HER LEFT AND RIGHT HANDS
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ARE VERY IMPORTANT IMAGERY
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FOR UNDERSTANDING
THE BOOK OF REVELATION.
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ANDREW JACKSON: AND WE WANT
TO BE OVERCOMERS.
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MARK WILSON: ABSOLUTELY.
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[MUSIC]
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00:19:04,333 --> 00:19:14,333
[MUSIC]
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WE'RE STANDING IN FRONT OF
THIS INCREDIBLE STRUCTURE;
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THE RECONSTRUCTION
OF THE LIBRARY CELSUS.
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ONE OF THE MOST
INTERESTING PARTS OF THIS
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IS A MENORAH GRAFFITAL
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THAT'S ON THE STEP
LEADING UP TO THE LIBRARY.
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THIS GRAFFITAL,
OF COURSE,
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TELLS US THAT WE'VE GOT
JEWS LIVING IN THIS CITY
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WHICH WE KNOW FROM
LITERARY SOURCES
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LIKE JOSEPHUS THE
JEWISH HISTORIAN.
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10 TIMES HE MENTIONS
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THE FACT JEWS LIVED
IN THIS PARTICULAR CITY.
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ANDREW JACKSON: RIGHT.
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00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:53,700
AND IT'S A TRADITION OF PAUL
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WHEREVER HE WENT
WHATEVER CITY HE WENT TO
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HE'D VISIT THE SYNAGOGUE FIRST
AND THAT'S TRUE IN EPHESUS.
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00:19:58,733 --> 00:20:01,467
HIS FIRST VISIT TO
EPHESUS FROM CORINTH
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HE VISITED THE SYNAGOGUE.
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AND THEN WHEN HE LEFT
HE CAME BACK
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00:20:05,733 --> 00:20:08,267
AND THE FIRST THING AGAIN
HE WENT BACK INTO THE SYNAGOGUE.
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00:20:08,300 --> 00:20:11,067
SO WE KNOW THE FIRST CHRISTIANS
IN EPHESUS WERE JEWISH
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00:20:11,100 --> 00:20:14,000
AND MOST LIKELY
THEY BECAME BELIEVERS
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00:20:14,033 --> 00:20:16,333
AT PENTECOST IN JERUSALEM
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00:20:16,367 --> 00:20:20,567
BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT JEWS FROM
ASIA WERE LOCATED AT THAT TIME.
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00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,533
SO WE KNOW THE EARLIEST CHURCH
IN EPHESUS WERE JEWISH.
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00:20:24,567 --> 00:20:26,500
BY THE WAY DO YOU
HAVE ANY INFORMATION
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00:20:26,533 --> 00:20:29,333
ON WHERE THE SYNAGOGUE
MIGHT BE IN EPHESUS TODAY?
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00:20:29,367 --> 00:20:31,167
MARK WILSON: WELL THE
AUSTRIAN ARCHEOLOGIST
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HAS BEEN WORKING HERE
FOR A HUNDRED YEARS
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AND UNFORTUNATELY HAVEN'T FOUND
ANY SIGNS OF THE SYNAGOGUE
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00:20:35,433 --> 00:20:38,833
OR EVEN VERY FEW OTHER OBJECTS
RELATED TO THE JEWISH COMMUNITY.
386
00:20:38,867 --> 00:20:40,600
ANDREW JACKSON: YOU CAN'T WAIT
UNTIL THEY FIND THAT.
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00:20:40,633 --> 00:20:50,667
[MUSIC]
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00:20:50,667 --> 00:21:04,500
[MUSIC]
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00:21:04,533 --> 00:21:06,967
MARK WILSON: ACTS 16 TELLS US
THAT PAUL ON HIS SECOND JOURNEY
390
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IS WANTING TO PREACH THE GOSPEL
IN THE PROVINCE OF ASIA,
391
00:21:09,633 --> 00:21:11,400
BUT AS HE GETS INTO THIS AREA
392
00:21:11,433 --> 00:21:14,200
THE HOLY SPIRIT DIRECTS
HIM NORTHWESTWARD
393
00:21:14,233 --> 00:21:15,633
TO THE PORT OF TROAS.
394
00:21:15,667 --> 00:21:19,500
NOW IF WE READ BETWEEN THE LINES
EPHESUS IS HIS DESTINATION.
395
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IT'S A PERFECT PLACE FOR
HIM TO SET UP HIS MINISTRY;
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FOURTH LARGEST CITY
IN THE ROMAN EMPIRE,
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CAPITAL OF THE PROVINCE OF ASIA,
A LARGE JEWISH POPULATION,
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TRANSPORTATION HUB,
BOTH LAND AND SEA,
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00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,433
AND OF COURSE THE CENTER
OF ARTEMIS WORSHIP HERE.
400
00:21:34,467 --> 00:21:37,867
BUT FROM TROAS THEN HE
GOES OVER TO MACEDONIA
401
00:21:37,900 --> 00:21:42,700
AND FROM MACEDONIA GOES DOWN TO
ACHAEA AND ENDS UP IN CORINTH.
402
00:21:42,733 --> 00:21:44,367
ANDREW JACKSON:
YEAH AND AFTER SPENDING
403
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:45,900
ABOUT 18 MONTHS IN CORINTH
404
00:21:45,933 --> 00:21:50,100
PAUL ALONG WITH PRISCILLA AND
AQUILA AND PROBABLY HIS TEAM
405
00:21:50,133 --> 00:21:53,767
COME ACROSS THE AEGEAN
INTO THE PORT HERE
406
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:58,467
AND THEN THEY WALK INTO
THE GREAT HARBOR ROAD
407
00:21:58,500 --> 00:22:00,267
THAT WE'RE ON RIGHT NOW.
408
00:22:00,300 --> 00:22:03,567
AND THE FIRST THING THAT THEY
SEE WHEN THEY ENTER EPHESUS
409
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,900
IS THE GREAT
ROMAN THEATRE OF EPHESUS.
410
00:22:06,933 --> 00:22:08,833
MARK WILSON: PAUL MUST
HAVE BEEN VERY EXCITED.
411
00:22:08,867 --> 00:22:10,833
OVER TWO YEARS SINCE
HE'D SET OUT FOR THIS PLACE
412
00:22:10,867 --> 00:22:12,867
HE'S FINALLY ARRIVING
IN EPHESUS.
413
00:22:12,900 --> 00:22:22,933
[MUSIC]
414
00:22:22,933 --> 00:22:32,933
[MUSIC]
415
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,333
WE'RE STANDING IN THE TERRACE
HOUSES IN DOWNTOWN EPHESUS
416
00:22:41,367 --> 00:22:42,333
AND THIS IS THE AREA
417
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WHERE THE ELITE OF THE
CITY WOULD HAVE LIVED.
418
00:22:44,700 --> 00:22:47,233
BEHIND US IS THE
HOME OF FURIUS APTUS
419
00:22:47,267 --> 00:22:48,967
AND THESE HOMES WERE BUILT
420
00:22:49,067 --> 00:22:53,567
FIRST IN A FIRST CENTURY AD AND
LIVED IN FOR SEVERAL CENTURIES.
421
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,100
AND IN THIS TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT
422
00:22:56,133 --> 00:22:58,633
THE EARLY CHRISTIANS WOULD
HAVE HELD THEIR MEETINGS.
423
00:22:58,667 --> 00:23:01,567
ANDREW JACKSON: YEAH WHEN WE
TALK ABOUT THE CHURCH IN EPHESUS
424
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,467
DURING THE TIME OF PAUL AND JOHN
425
00:23:03,500 --> 00:23:05,967
WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT
NUMEROUS HOUSE CHURCHES.
426
00:23:06,067 --> 00:23:09,067
AND IN 1 CORINTHIANS
CHAPTER 16 VERSE 19
427
00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:11,900
PAUL MAKES THIS CLEAR
WHEN HE WRITES,
428
00:23:11,933 --> 00:23:15,433
"THE CHURCHES IN THE PROVINCE
OF ASIA SEND YOU GREETINGS.
429
00:23:15,467 --> 00:23:19,100
"AQUILA AND PRISCILLA GREET YOU
WARMLY IN THE LORD
430
00:23:19,133 --> 00:23:23,067
AND SO DOES THE CHURCH
THAT MEETS IN THEIR HOUSE."
431
00:23:23,067 --> 00:23:26,200
MARK WILSON: THIS IS
A PEAR STYLE TYPE HOME,
432
00:23:26,233 --> 00:23:29,100
THE PUBLIC SPACE WHERE
VISITORS WOULD COME
433
00:23:29,133 --> 00:23:31,700
AND IT'S IN THIS AREA THE
EARLY CHURCH WOULD MEET.
434
00:23:31,733 --> 00:23:33,133
AND YOU CAN SEE FROM ITS SIZE
435
00:23:33,167 --> 00:23:35,500
MAYBE 40 OR 50 PEOPLE
COULD HAVE GATHERED.
436
00:23:35,533 --> 00:23:37,367
AND IT'S IN THIS TYPE OF A SPACE
437
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,733
THAT THE WORSHIP OF JESUS CHRIST
WOULD HAVE TAKEN PLACE
438
00:23:39,767 --> 00:23:40,967
IN THE CITY OF EPHESUS.
439
00:23:41,067 --> 00:23:51,067
[MUSIC]
440
00:23:51,067 --> 00:24:01,100
[MUSIC]
441
00:24:15,933 --> 00:24:18,333
WE'RE ARRIVING IN A VERY
SPECIAL PLACE IN EPHESUS
442
00:24:18,367 --> 00:24:20,900
ON THE HILLSIDE ABOVE THE CITY
443
00:24:20,933 --> 00:24:26,333
RELATED TO SAINT PAUL
SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND ENTER.
444
00:24:26,367 --> 00:24:28,567
THE DEPICTION OF PAUL
WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE
445
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,500
IS THE EARLIEST PORTRAIT
THAT WE HAVE IN TURKEY;
446
00:24:31,533 --> 00:24:34,733
DATES FROM THE LATE FOURTH
TO EARLY FIFTH CENTURY.
447
00:24:34,767 --> 00:24:38,167
YOU CAN SEE HIS NAME
PAULOS TO HIS RIGHT.
448
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,833
IT SHOWS A SCENE FROM A
LATER CHRISTIAN DOCUMENT
449
00:24:40,867 --> 00:24:42,833
CALLED THE ACTS
OF PAUL AND THECLA.
450
00:24:42,867 --> 00:24:45,667
HERE PAUL IS PREACHING
IN THE CITY OF ICONIUM
451
00:24:45,700 --> 00:24:48,733
AND THECLA IS LISTENING TO
HIS MESSAGE OUT THE WINDOW
452
00:24:48,767 --> 00:24:51,533
AND ACCEPTS THE MESSAGE
AND BECOMES A BELIEVER.
453
00:24:51,567 --> 00:24:53,067
AND IN THE
ACTS OF PAUL AND THECLA
454
00:24:53,100 --> 00:24:56,733
WE HAVE THE EARLIEST AND ONLY
PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION OF PAUL
455
00:24:56,767 --> 00:24:59,533
THAT WE HAVE AND IN
THIS PORTRAIT WE SEE THAT.
456
00:24:59,567 --> 00:25:02,167
HE'S BALD HEADED,
HIS EYEBROWS ARE MEETING
457
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,200
AND HIS NOSE IS HOOKED.
458
00:25:04,233 --> 00:25:06,200
ANDREW JACKSON: YEAH AND
IT'S VERY INTERESTING TO ME
459
00:25:06,233 --> 00:25:09,233
THAT WE WOULD MENTION THAT
DURING THE TIME OF PAUL AND JOHN
460
00:25:09,267 --> 00:25:13,333
THAT THE CHURCHES MET
IN HOUSES, HOUSE CHURCHES.
461
00:25:13,367 --> 00:25:17,067
AND AFTER JOHN THEY STARTED,
HERE IN EPHESUS
462
00:25:17,067 --> 00:25:19,967
THEY ALSO STARTED MEETING
IN CAVES, IN CAVE CHURCHES,
463
00:25:20,067 --> 00:25:23,233
AND THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE
WITH THIS FRESCO OF PAUL.
464
00:25:23,267 --> 00:25:35,800
[MUSIC]
465
00:25:35,833 --> 00:25:37,400
THIS IS REALLY WELL
PRESERVED RIGHT HERE.
466
00:25:37,433 --> 00:25:38,633
MARK WILSON: ABSOLUTELY.
467
00:25:38,667 --> 00:25:42,600
ANDREW JACKSON: PROBABLY THE
BEST ONE OF THE PRESERVED ONES.
468
00:25:42,633 --> 00:25:44,300
MARK WILSON: SO THIS IS
REALLY AN INTERESTING CAVE.
469
00:25:44,333 --> 00:25:46,400
WE SEE SOME OF THE
INSCRIPTIONS ON THE WALLS
470
00:25:46,433 --> 00:25:48,867
OVER HERE ON THE SIDE.
471
00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:50,500
A LITTLE BIT OF A GROTTO
472
00:25:50,533 --> 00:25:53,100
OR SOME KIND OF A
THING RIGHT HERE.
473
00:25:53,133 --> 00:26:03,233
[MUSIC]
474
00:26:03,233 --> 00:26:11,267
[MUSIC]
475
00:26:11,300 --> 00:26:12,233
ANDREW JACKSON: PAUL TELLS US
476
00:26:12,267 --> 00:26:14,667
THAT HE TAUGHT PUBLICLY
IN HOUSE TO HOUSE.
477
00:26:14,700 --> 00:26:17,067
WE KNOW THAT HE SPENT
THREE MONTHS IN THE SYNAGOGUE
478
00:26:17,067 --> 00:26:19,467
AND THEN HE MOVED TO
THE HALL OF TYRANNUS
479
00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:22,133
AND HE TAUGHT FOR TWO YEARS.
480
00:26:22,167 --> 00:26:23,900
MARK WILSON: IT'S A VERY
INTERESTING TRADITION
481
00:26:23,933 --> 00:26:26,867
RELATED TO PAUL'S TIME
AT THE HALL OF TYRANNUS.
482
00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:29,567
DAILY LIFE IN A
CITY LIKE EPHESUS
483
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,900
BEGAN AT SUNRISE
AND ENDED AT NOON.
484
00:26:31,933 --> 00:26:34,367
SO PAUL WOULD HAVE BEEN WORKING
AT THE COMMERCIAL AGORA
485
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,133
AS A LEATHER WORKER,
TENT MAKER, IN THE MORNINGS
486
00:26:37,167 --> 00:26:38,400
THEN IN THE AFTERNOONS
487
00:26:38,433 --> 00:26:41,200
HE WOULD MOVE INTO
THE HALL OF TYRANNUS
488
00:26:41,233 --> 00:26:45,167
TO ENGAGE WITH VISITORS
TO THIS CITY,
489
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,633
THE RESIDENTS ABOUT THE
GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST.
490
00:26:48,667 --> 00:26:50,767
AND IT WAS DURING
THIS PERIOD OF TIME
491
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,533
THAT HE REACHED SO MANY PEOPLE
IN THE PROVINCE OF ASIA.
492
00:26:54,567 --> 00:26:56,700
ANDREW JACKSON: YEAH
I THINK A LOT OF TIMES
493
00:26:56,733 --> 00:27:00,067
WE ENVISION PAUL
LECTURING FOR TWO YEARS
494
00:27:00,067 --> 00:27:04,067
BEHIND A PULPIT KIND OF THING,
BUT ACTUALLY THE BIBLE TELLS US
495
00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:07,667
THAT HE ENGAGED IN DISCUSSION;
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
496
00:27:07,700 --> 00:27:10,400
AND REALLY A
DISCIPLING APPROACH,
497
00:27:10,433 --> 00:27:13,867
AND PROBABLY ENGAGED
A LOT OF HIS COWORKERS.
498
00:27:13,900 --> 00:27:17,500
APOLLOS AND PRISCILLA AND AQUILA
WERE INVOLVED IN THE TRAINING
499
00:27:17,533 --> 00:27:20,067
OF THOSE THAT WERE
PART OF THE SCHOOL.
500
00:27:20,100 --> 00:27:22,700
MARK WILSON: ANOTHER DIMENSION
OF PAUL'S TIME DURING THIS TIME
501
00:27:22,733 --> 00:27:25,567
OF COURSE IS A CONCERN ABOUT
WHAT'S GOING ON IN CORINTH.
502
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,400
HE'S BEGINNING NOW TO HEAR
503
00:27:27,433 --> 00:27:29,800
ABOUT THE PROBLEMS
DEVELOPING IN THE CHURCH
504
00:27:29,833 --> 00:27:33,833
AND HEARING THE BODY LIFE
OF THE CHURCH IN EPHESUS
505
00:27:33,867 --> 00:27:36,767
AS THEY'RE DEALING
WITH SPIRITUAL GIFTS
506
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,067
AND OTHER ISSUES
507
00:27:38,067 --> 00:27:40,167
HE'S GETTING A BACKGROUND THAT
HE'S LATER GOING TO BE WRITING
508
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,333
IN HIS FIRST LETTER
TO THE CORINTHIANS
509
00:27:42,367 --> 00:27:43,733
ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES.
510
00:27:43,767 --> 00:27:45,900
ANDREW JACKSON: HE HAD
CORINTH ON HIS MIND.
511
00:27:45,933 --> 00:27:58,867
[MUSIC]
512
00:27:58,900 --> 00:28:00,967
MARK WILSON: WHAT'S EXCITING
TO ME ABOUT THIS GATE, ANDY,
513
00:28:01,067 --> 00:28:02,933
IS IT WAS STANDING HERE
IN THE FIRST CENTURY
514
00:28:02,967 --> 00:28:04,800
DURING THE TIME
OF THE APOSTLE PAUL.
515
00:28:04,833 --> 00:28:08,533
IT WAS DEDICATED TO THE EMPEROR
AUGUSTUS BY TWO OF HIS FREEDMEN.
516
00:28:08,567 --> 00:28:11,900
WE CAN SEE THEIR NAMES
MAZAEUS AND MITHRADATES,
517
00:28:11,933 --> 00:28:14,267
AND ON A REGULAR BASIS
WHILE PAUL WAS IN THE CITY
518
00:28:14,300 --> 00:28:16,367
HE WOULD GO THROUGH THIS GATE
519
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,300
ON HIS WAY TO THE
COMMERCIAL AGORA.
520
00:28:18,333 --> 00:28:19,300
LET'S GO ON IN.
521
00:28:19,333 --> 00:28:20,967
ANDREW JACKSON: YEAH
THAT KIND OF REMINDS ME
522
00:28:21,067 --> 00:28:24,733
OF THE STORY OF WHEN PAUL
WAS WITH PRISCILLA AND AQUILA
523
00:28:24,767 --> 00:28:28,733
AND THEY HAD A LEATHER
BUSINESS TRADE IN CORINTH.
524
00:28:28,767 --> 00:28:30,933
AND THEN WHEN THEY
CAME HERE TOGETHER
525
00:28:30,967 --> 00:28:34,400
IT'S MOST LIKELY THAT THEY
SET UP THE SAME LEATHER TRADE
526
00:28:34,433 --> 00:28:37,567
RIGHT HERE IN THE
COMMERCIAL AGORA.
527
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,500
AND PAUL SPENT MOST OF THE TIME
WHEN HE WAS IN MINISTRY
528
00:28:41,533 --> 00:28:43,467
ACTUALLY DOING LEATHER TRADE.
529
00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:46,067
SO IT'S QUITE A LOCATION,
530
00:28:46,067 --> 00:28:48,967
THIS FANTASTIC
COMMERCIAL AGORA.
531
00:28:57,633 --> 00:28:59,267
MARK WILSON: IT'S ALSO THE AREA
532
00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:03,133
WHERE ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS
INCIDENTS IN ACTS 19 TAKE PLACE;
533
00:29:03,167 --> 00:29:06,300
RELATED TO DEMETRIUS
AND THE SILVERSMITHS.
534
00:29:06,333 --> 00:29:09,167
AND WHY WAS DEMETRIUS
SO UPSET WITH PAUL?
535
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,100
ANDREW JACKSON: WELL
WHEN PAUL FIRST CAME HERE
536
00:29:12,133 --> 00:29:14,500
THERE WERE JUST A HANDFUL
OF JEWISH BELIEVERS,
537
00:29:14,533 --> 00:29:16,567
BUT AFTER THREE YEARS
IN MINISTRY
538
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:21,433
THERE WAS LARGE NUMBERS OF JEWS
AND NON-JEWS COMING TO THE LORD.
539
00:29:21,467 --> 00:29:24,233
AND THERE WAS A REAL MOVEMENT
THAT WAS REALLY AFFECTING
540
00:29:24,267 --> 00:29:27,133
THE RELIGIOUS ENVIRONMENT
OF EPHESUS.
541
00:29:27,167 --> 00:29:29,667
AND DEMETRIUS SAYS THIS:
542
00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:33,567
"AND YOU SEE AND HEAR
HOW THIS FELLOW PAUL
543
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,967
"HAS CONVINCED AND LED ASTRAY
544
00:29:36,067 --> 00:29:39,067
"LARGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE
HERE IN EPHESUS
545
00:29:39,067 --> 00:29:42,467
AND IN PRACTICALLY THE
WHOLE PROVINCE OF ASIA."
546
00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:43,600
MARK WILSON: SO IT WAS OUTRAGE.
547
00:29:43,633 --> 00:29:44,800
IT WAS NOT SO MUCH
548
00:29:44,833 --> 00:29:48,600
JUST HAVING TO DO WITH THE
RELIGIOUS AFFRONT TO ARTEMIS,
549
00:29:48,633 --> 00:29:50,700
BUT IT WAS AFFECTING
THEIR POCKETBOOKS;
550
00:29:50,733 --> 00:29:54,133
UNABLE TO SELL SOUVENIRS TO
ALL THESE RELIGIOUS PILGRIMS
551
00:29:54,167 --> 00:29:55,867
WHO WERE IN THE CITY.
552
00:29:55,900 --> 00:29:59,733
DEMETRIUS AND THE SILVERSMITHS
MUST HAVE STARTED THE RIOT
553
00:29:59,767 --> 00:30:02,133
GETTING INVOLVED
OTHERS AROUND THEM
554
00:30:02,167 --> 00:30:04,300
AND THEY WOULD'VE GONE
OUT THIS EXIT HERE
555
00:30:04,333 --> 00:30:06,300
AS THEY MADE THEIR WAY
THEN TO THE THEATRE
556
00:30:06,333 --> 00:30:09,167
WHERE THE DISTURBANCE CONTINUED.
557
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:15,267
[MUSIC]
558
00:30:15,300 --> 00:30:16,433
ANDREW JACKSON:
NOW WE'RE HEADING UP
559
00:30:16,467 --> 00:30:19,000
TO THE GREAT
ROMAN THEATRE OF EPHESUS
560
00:30:19,033 --> 00:30:21,367
THAT HELD 25,000 PEOPLE.
561
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,867
MARK WILSON: DEMETRIUS
AND THE SILVERSMITHS
562
00:30:23,900 --> 00:30:25,433
INITIATED THIS DISTURBANCE;
563
00:30:25,467 --> 00:30:28,667
OTHERS OUT IN THE
STREETS JOINED THEM HERE
564
00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:31,033
AND THERE'S SORT OF A
MOB MENTALITY PREVAILED
565
00:30:31,067 --> 00:30:32,000
AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE
566
00:30:32,033 --> 00:30:34,533
JOINED THIS GROUP
GOING INTO THE THEATRE
567
00:30:34,567 --> 00:30:36,433
NOT EVEN KNOWING
WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
568
00:30:36,467 --> 00:30:37,533
ANDREW JACKSON: TOTAL CONFUSION.
569
00:30:37,567 --> 00:30:40,533
THEY JUST RUSHED RIGHT IN HERE.
570
00:30:40,567 --> 00:30:42,100
MARK WILSON: WOW
THIS IS INCREDIBLE.
571
00:30:42,133 --> 00:30:43,600
CAN YOU IMAGINE THE CONFUSION,
572
00:30:43,633 --> 00:30:45,500
THE PANDEMONIUM
THAT WAS GOING ON HERE
573
00:30:45,533 --> 00:30:47,667
WHEN THIS CROWD ASSEMBLED
IN THE THEATRE,
574
00:30:47,700 --> 00:30:51,133
25,000 PEOPLE SHOUTING GREAT
IS ARTEMIS OF THE EPHESIANS?
575
00:30:51,167 --> 00:30:59,167
[MUSIC]
576
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,933
TWO OF PAUL'S
COMPANIONS IN HERE.
577
00:31:00,967 --> 00:31:03,067
THE SHOUTING CONTINUED.
578
00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:04,567
SOME OF THE JEWS IN THE CITY
579
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,867
TRIED TO PUT THEIR
LEADER TO SPEAK.
580
00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:08,167
HE WAS SHOUTED DOWN.
581
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,400
ABSOLUTELY CHAOS.
582
00:31:09,433 --> 00:31:10,700
ANDREW JACKSON: YES IT WAS.
583
00:31:10,733 --> 00:31:12,600
MARK WILSON: AND WHAT WAS PAUL
DOING DURING THIS TIME?
584
00:31:12,633 --> 00:31:15,633
ANDREW JACKSON: WELL PAUL WANTED
TO APPEAR BEFORE THE CROWD
585
00:31:15,667 --> 00:31:17,067
IN HIS DEFENSE,
586
00:31:17,067 --> 00:31:18,800
BUT THE DISCIPLES
DIDN'T LET HIM.
587
00:31:18,833 --> 00:31:22,167
EVEN FROM THE OFFICIALS OF
THE PROVINCE, FRIENDS OF PAUL,
588
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,633
SENT HIM A MESSAGE
589
00:31:23,667 --> 00:31:26,133
BEGGING HIM NOT TO
COME INTO THE THEATRE.
590
00:31:26,167 --> 00:31:28,533
MARK WILSON: WHAT'S SO
INTERESTING ABOUT THIS OF COURSE
591
00:31:28,567 --> 00:31:30,267
IS THE SOUND GOES OUT
TO THE HARBOR.
592
00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:32,200
NOBODY IN THE UPPER CITY
COULD EVEN HEAR IT.
593
00:31:32,233 --> 00:31:34,700
SO FINALLY WORD GETS THROUGH
THESE CROWDED STREETS.
594
00:31:34,733 --> 00:31:36,933
THE TOWN CLERK HE MAKES
HIS WAY DOWN HERE
595
00:31:36,967 --> 00:31:39,300
TRYING TO BRING THIS
CROWD UNDER CONTROL.
596
00:31:39,333 --> 00:31:41,567
AND OF COURSE THE THING
HE THREATENS THEM WITH
597
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,600
IS THAT THEY ARE RIOTING
AGAINST ROMAN LAW.
598
00:31:44,633 --> 00:31:47,567
AND HE SAYS, "WE'RE GOING TO BE
IN BIG TROUBLE WITH THE ROMANS
599
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,867
IF WE DON'T BRING
THIS RIOT TO A CLOSE."
600
00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:52,433
AND OF COURSE HE DOES THAT
601
00:31:52,467 --> 00:31:55,867
AND SETTLES IT AND THE
ILLEGAL ASSEMBLY IS OVER.
602
00:31:55,900 --> 00:31:58,633
ANDREW JACKON: YES AND
BECAUSE OF THIS BIG SCENE
603
00:31:58,667 --> 00:32:00,067
OF THIS ARTEMIS RIOT
604
00:32:00,067 --> 00:32:02,067
IT SEEMS LIKE THIS
MOTIVATED PAUL
605
00:32:02,067 --> 00:32:04,533
EVEN THOUGH HE WAS PLANNING
TO LEAVE SOON ANYWAY
606
00:32:04,567 --> 00:32:10,467
TO GO AHEAD AND DEPART OUT
OF EPHESUS AND ONTO MACEDONIA.
607
00:32:44,633 --> 00:32:45,967
WOW WHAT A VIEW.
608
00:32:46,067 --> 00:32:47,267
MARK WILSON:
YEAH IT IS FANTASTIC.
609
00:32:47,300 --> 00:32:48,433
ANDREW JACKSON: YEAH IT IS.
610
00:32:48,467 --> 00:32:51,500
MARK 250 MILES
STRAIGHT ACROSS FROM HERE
611
00:32:51,533 --> 00:32:53,567
IS THE CITY OF CORINTH.
612
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,533
AND PAUL SPENT A LOT OF HIS TIME
WHEN HE WAS IN EPHESUS
613
00:32:57,567 --> 00:33:00,267
WITH PREOCCUPATION
WITH A LOT OF THE THINGS
614
00:33:00,300 --> 00:33:03,067
THAT WAS GOING ON IN
THE CORINTHIAN CHURCH
615
00:33:03,100 --> 00:33:04,533
SOME OF THE PROBLEMS
THEY WERE HAVING,
616
00:33:04,567 --> 00:33:05,533
THAT KIND OF THING,
617
00:33:05,567 --> 00:33:07,600
WRITING TO THEM
ACTUALLY VISITING THEM.
618
00:33:07,633 --> 00:33:09,867
MARK WILSON: WELL IT WAS A
VERY COMPLICATED SITUATION.
619
00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:13,500
AS YOU KNOW WITH THE CORINTHIANS
THIS IS UNMENTIONED IN ACTS 19,
620
00:33:13,533 --> 00:33:15,733
BUT WE SEE THAT
SOME OF THE CHURCH
621
00:33:15,767 --> 00:33:17,600
WROTE HIM A LETTER
ABOUT THE PROBLEMS,
622
00:33:17,633 --> 00:33:21,933
REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE CHURCH
CAME WHO DISCUSSED WITH HIM
623
00:33:21,967 --> 00:33:23,167
SOME OF THE PROBLEMS,
624
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,667
AND THEN IN THIS CONTEXT
WHILE HE'S IN EPHESUS
625
00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:28,333
PAUL WRITES THE FIRST LETTER
TO THE CORINTHIANS.
626
00:33:28,367 --> 00:33:30,400
ANDREW JACKSON: AND HE
CONTINUED THE RELATIONSHIP.
627
00:33:30,433 --> 00:33:32,567
EVEN IN THE 1 CORINTHIAN LETTER
628
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,067
HE SAID, "I'M GOING
TO COME AND VISIT YOU."
629
00:33:34,100 --> 00:33:34,967
AND HE DID.
630
00:33:35,067 --> 00:33:36,367
AFTER THE ARTEMIS RIOT
631
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,100
HE TAKES OFF AND HE SPENDS
THREE MONTHS WITH THEM.
632
00:33:40,133 --> 00:33:43,200
SO PAUL CONTINUED
TO HAVE A HEART
633
00:33:43,233 --> 00:33:47,300
FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE
GROWTH OF THE CHURCH IN CORINTH.
634
00:33:47,333 --> 00:33:57,367
[MUSIC]
635
00:33:57,367 --> 00:34:07,433
[MUSIC]
636
00:35:18,767 --> 00:35:20,267
MARK WILSON: WE'RE TRAVELING
THROUGH THE VERY WATERS
637
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:22,967
TO WHICH PAUL PASSED ON
THE END OF HIS THIRD JOURNEY.
638
00:35:23,067 --> 00:35:24,733
HE'S TRAVELING WITH
EIGHT COMPANIONS
639
00:35:24,767 --> 00:35:26,567
INCLUDING TIMOTHY AND LUKE.
640
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,433
AND HE'S DECIDED
TO BYPASS EPHESUS.
641
00:35:29,467 --> 00:35:31,400
HE'S IN A HURRY
TO REACH JERUSALEM
642
00:35:31,433 --> 00:35:33,600
TRYING TO GET THERE
BEFORE THE DAY OF PENTECOST.
643
00:35:33,633 --> 00:35:37,400
THEY STOPPED AT THE ISLAND
OF SAMOS WHICH IS BEHIND US
644
00:35:37,433 --> 00:35:41,233
AND THE NEXT DAY THEY MAKE
THEIR WAY DOWN TO MILETUS.
645
00:35:41,267 --> 00:35:42,933
SOMEWHERE ALONG HERE
HE DECIDES,
646
00:35:42,967 --> 00:35:45,067
I CANNOT LEAVE
THE PROVINCE OF ASIA
647
00:35:45,067 --> 00:35:47,467
WITHOUT SEEING THE EPHESIAN
ELDERS ONE MORE TIME.
648
00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:49,367
ANDREW JACKSON: YEAH IN ACTS 20
649
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,267
WHEN PAUL IS TALKING TO
THE ELDERS HE GIVES THEM--
650
00:35:53,300 --> 00:35:54,300
UP TO THIS POINT,
651
00:35:54,333 --> 00:35:56,533
MOST OF THE OPPOSITION
TOWARDS PAUL'S MINISTRY
652
00:35:56,567 --> 00:35:58,433
HAS BEEN OUTSIDE OF THE CHURCH.
653
00:35:58,467 --> 00:36:02,367
AND NOW HE FORGETS
AND PROPHESIES
654
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,100
THAT THERE WILL
BE FALSE TEACHERS
655
00:36:04,133 --> 00:36:07,067
THAT WILL ARISE AMONG THEM.
656
00:36:07,067 --> 00:36:10,067
AND I WOULD LIKE TO READ
PAUL'S OWN WORDS IN ACTS 20.
657
00:36:10,100 --> 00:36:13,267
HE WRITES, "GUARD
YOURSELVES AND ALL THE FLOCK
658
00:36:13,300 --> 00:36:15,867
"OF WHICH YOUR HOLY SPIRIT
HAS MADE YOU OVERSEERS
659
00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:18,700
"YOU SHEPHERDS THE CHURCH OF GOD
660
00:36:18,733 --> 00:36:21,633
"WHICH HE BOUGHT
WITH HIS OWN BLOOD.
661
00:36:21,667 --> 00:36:23,367
"I KNOW THAT AFTER I LEAVE
662
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,400
"SAVAGE WOLVES WILL
COME IN AMONG YOU
663
00:36:26,433 --> 00:36:28,300
"AND WILL NOT SPARE THE FLOCK.
664
00:36:28,333 --> 00:36:32,067
"EVEN FROM YOUR OWN MEN WILL
ARISE AND DISTORT THE TRUTH
665
00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:35,767
"IN ORDER TO DRAW AWAY THE
DISCIPLES AFTER THEMSELVES.
666
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,333
"SO BE ON YOUR GUARD.
667
00:36:38,367 --> 00:36:40,533
"REMEMBER THAT FOR THREE YEARS
668
00:36:40,567 --> 00:36:46,300
"I NEVER STOPPED WARNING EACH OF
YOU NIGHT AND DAY WITH TEARS."
669
00:36:46,333 --> 00:36:47,900
AND THEN THIS COMES TRUE
670
00:36:47,933 --> 00:36:51,800
WHEN PAUL WAS RELEASED
FROM PRISON OUT OF ROME
671
00:36:51,833 --> 00:36:55,933
AND HE RETURNS BACK TO
EPHESUS WITH TIMOTHY
672
00:36:55,967 --> 00:37:01,667
AND HE LEAVES TIMOTHY IN EPHESUS
TO DEAL WITH A FALSE TEACHING
673
00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:06,133
THAT NOW HAS ARISEN
WITHIN THE CITY OF EPHESUS.
674
00:37:06,167 --> 00:37:07,567
MARK WILSON: THAT'S A
VERY IMPORTANT CHANGE
675
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,733
IN PAUL'S RELATIONSHIP WITH
THE EPHESIAN CHURCH ISN'T IT?
676
00:37:09,767 --> 00:37:10,700
ANDREW JACKSON: VERY TRUE.
677
00:37:10,733 --> 00:37:11,733
VERY TRUE.
678
00:37:11,767 --> 00:37:21,800
[MUSIC]
679
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:31,800
[MUSIC]
680
00:37:55,633 --> 00:37:58,167
MARK WE GOT ON A BOAT
EARLY THIS MORNING IN EPHESUS
681
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,200
AND PROBABLY FOUR HOURS
682
00:38:00,233 --> 00:38:03,067
WE'VE BEEN TRAVELING ACROSS
THE AEGEAN SEA
683
00:38:03,067 --> 00:38:05,233
AND WE COME TO
THE ISLAND OF PATMOS.
684
00:38:05,267 --> 00:38:08,600
HOW FAR ACTUALLY IS THE ISLAND
OF PATMOS FROM EPHESUS?
685
00:38:08,633 --> 00:38:11,700
MARK WILSON: WE'RE ABOUT 75
MILES SOUTHWEST OF EPHESUS.
686
00:38:11,733 --> 00:38:14,067
TODAY PATMOS IS A GREEK ISLAND.
687
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:17,300
IN THE FIRST CENTURY IT WAS PART
OF THE ROMAN PROVINCE OF ASIA.
688
00:38:17,333 --> 00:38:19,600
IT'S A SMALL ISLAND,
ABOUT 13 SQUARE MILES
689
00:38:19,633 --> 00:38:21,433
SHAPED LIKE A KIDNEY BEAN.
690
00:38:21,467 --> 00:38:22,900
ANDREW JACKSON: MANY PEOPLE
ASK THIS QUESTION
691
00:38:22,933 --> 00:38:24,667
AND I KNOW I OFTEN
THINK ABOUT IT:
692
00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:27,100
WHAT WAS IT LIKE ON
THE ISLAND OF PATMOS
693
00:38:27,133 --> 00:38:28,700
WHEN JOHN LIVED HERE?
694
00:38:28,733 --> 00:38:30,167
MARK WILSON: WE REALLY
DON'T KNOW MUCH.
695
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,167
PATMOS IS MENTIONED HARDLY
AT ALL ON LITERARY SOURCES;
696
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,500
PROBABLY VERY SIMILAR
TO THE WAY IT LOOKS TODAY,
697
00:38:36,533 --> 00:38:38,700
A BARE DESOLATE ROCKY ISLAND.
698
00:38:38,733 --> 00:38:40,767
WE KNOW THERE WAS
A ROMAN GARRISON
699
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,467
UP IN THE ACROPOLIS AREA,
SMALL POPULATION OF GREEKS
700
00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:46,833
WHO LIVE HERE ON THE
ISLAND AT THIS TIME,
701
00:38:46,867 --> 00:38:50,333
BUT IT WAS PRETTY MUCH
ISOLATED FORSAKEN PLACE THEN.
702
00:38:50,367 --> 00:38:55,067
ANDREW JACKSON: SO JOHN LIVED
IN EXILE IN AN ISOLATED LOCATION
703
00:38:55,067 --> 00:38:59,133
AND THIS IS WHERE HE RECEIVED
THE BOOK OF REVELATION.
704
00:38:59,167 --> 00:39:07,067
[MUSIC]
705
00:39:07,100 --> 00:39:08,833
ANDREW JACKSON: HEY MARK,
THIS IS A GREAT PLACE
706
00:39:08,867 --> 00:39:10,833
FOR US TO SIT AND HAVE A CHAT.
707
00:39:10,867 --> 00:39:12,400
MARK WILSON: SOUNDS GOOD.
708
00:39:17,833 --> 00:39:19,333
THE SECOND HALF OF
THE FIRST CENTURY AD
709
00:39:19,367 --> 00:39:22,933
THE EARLY CHURCH FACED
THREE SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES.
710
00:39:22,967 --> 00:39:26,167
FIRST AFTER THE FIRE
ON ROME AD 64
711
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,467
NERO WAS LOOKING FOR A SCAPEGOAT
TO PIN THE BLAME FOR THE FIRE ON
712
00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:33,700
AND THE CHRISTIANS WERE
A VERY CONVENIENT TARGET.
713
00:39:33,733 --> 00:39:36,133
AND THE FIRST MAJOR
PERSECUTION OF THE CHURCH
714
00:39:36,167 --> 00:39:38,167
NOW OCCURS IN THE CITY OF ROME.
715
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,867
AND ACCORDING TO TRADITION
BOTH PETER AND PAUL
716
00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:42,633
ARE MARTYRED AT THIS TIME.
717
00:39:42,667 --> 00:39:45,133
AND SHORTLY AFTER IN JUDEA
718
00:39:45,167 --> 00:39:48,633
THE JEWISH REVOLT
TAKES PLACE IN AD 66.
719
00:39:48,667 --> 00:39:50,467
AND PRETTY SOON ROME OF COURSE
720
00:39:50,500 --> 00:39:53,533
IS SENDING TROOPS LED
BY THE GENERAL VESPASIAN
721
00:39:53,567 --> 00:39:55,733
TO TRY AND PUT DOWN
THIS REBELLION
722
00:39:55,767 --> 00:39:58,267
THAT'S GOING ON AMONG
THE JEWISH PEOPLE.
723
00:39:58,300 --> 00:40:00,700
AND THEN SUDDENLY
IN THE ROMAN EMPIRE
724
00:40:00,733 --> 00:40:03,133
AFTER NERO COMMITS SUICIDE
725
00:40:03,167 --> 00:40:07,233
WE HAVE FOUR INDIVIDUALS
WHO SERVE AS EMPEROR
726
00:40:07,267 --> 00:40:11,200
DURING THE YEAR AD 69 CALLED
THE YEAR OF FOUR EMPERORS
727
00:40:11,233 --> 00:40:15,200
WITH VESPASIAN EMERGING NOW AS
THE EMPEROR OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE.
728
00:40:15,233 --> 00:40:16,067
ANDREW JACKSON: RIGHT.
729
00:40:16,100 --> 00:40:17,267
AND THAT SETS THE SETTING
730
00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:20,800
FOR JESUS' WARNING TO THE
DISCIPLES ON THE MOUNT OF OLIVES
731
00:40:20,833 --> 00:40:23,567
HIS LAST WEEK OF HIS
MINISTRY WHERE HE SAYS,
732
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,467
"WHEN YOU SEE THE ROMANS
SURROUND JERUSALEM
733
00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:28,833
FLEE THE LAND."
734
00:40:28,867 --> 00:40:30,600
I THINK THIS IS THE MOTIVATION
735
00:40:30,633 --> 00:40:34,100
THAT JOHN TOOK SOME
OF HIS COMMUNITY,
736
00:40:34,133 --> 00:40:35,400
SOME OF THE BELIEVERS,
737
00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:38,133
AND ACTUALLY LEFT JERUSALEM
AND WENT TO EPHESUS.
738
00:40:38,167 --> 00:40:40,400
AND THERE SETTLED IN EPHESUS
739
00:40:40,433 --> 00:40:44,433
AND HE HAD A 40 YEAR
MINISTRY IN EPHESUS
740
00:40:44,467 --> 00:40:47,267
WHERE HE WROTE FIRST
AND SECOND AND THIRD JOHN
741
00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:48,633
AND THE GOSPEL OF JOHN.
742
00:40:48,667 --> 00:40:50,933
AND OF COURSE HERE
HE CAME TO PATMOS
743
00:40:50,967 --> 00:40:53,900
AND HERE WROTE THE
BOOK OF REVELATION.
744
00:40:53,933 --> 00:41:02,467
[MUSIC]
745
00:41:02,500 --> 00:41:05,833
MARK WILSON: HERE WE ARE ANDY
AT THE CHURCH OF THE APOCALYPSE
746
00:41:05,867 --> 00:41:07,767
AND ACCORDING TO EARLY
CHRISTIAN TRADITION
747
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,200
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT EVENTS
TOOK PLACE IN A CAVE
748
00:41:10,233 --> 00:41:12,633
AROUND WHICH THIS
CHURCH IS BUILT:
749
00:41:12,667 --> 00:41:16,200
JOHN RECEIVED HIS
REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST.
750
00:41:16,233 --> 00:41:17,233
WHAT DOES THE BOOK OF REVELATION
751
00:41:17,267 --> 00:41:19,867
TELL US ABOUT THE
CIRCUMSTANCES OF THIS EVENT?
752
00:41:19,900 --> 00:41:21,933
ANDREW JACKSON:
YEAH REVELATION 1:9
753
00:41:21,967 --> 00:41:24,333
JOHN GIVES US A VERY
DISTINCT STATEMENT
754
00:41:24,367 --> 00:41:26,767
OF WHY HE IS ON
THE ISLAND OF PATMOS.
755
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,067
IT READS, "I JOHN YOUR BROTHER
AND COMPANION
756
00:41:30,067 --> 00:41:33,067
"IN THE SUFFERING AND KINGDOM
AND PATIENT ENDURANCE
757
00:41:33,067 --> 00:41:34,633
"THAT ARE OURS IN JESUS
758
00:41:34,667 --> 00:41:37,867
"WAS ON THE ISLAND OF PATMOS
BECAUSE OF THE WORD OF GOD
759
00:41:37,900 --> 00:41:40,833
AND THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS."
760
00:41:40,867 --> 00:41:43,700
SO HERE'S JOHN REALLY
EXPRESSING HIS HEART
761
00:41:43,733 --> 00:41:45,933
OF IDENTIFYING
WITH THE SUFFERING
762
00:41:45,967 --> 00:41:47,300
OF THE CHRISTIANS IN EPHESUS
763
00:41:47,333 --> 00:41:49,900
AND IN THE SEVEN CHURCHES
OF THE BOOK OF REVELATION.
764
00:41:49,933 --> 00:42:00,067
[MUSIC]
765
00:42:00,067 --> 00:42:10,067
[MUSIC]
766
00:42:29,067 --> 00:42:30,667
MARK WILSON: DOES THE BOOK
OF REVELATION TELL US ANYTHING
767
00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:33,767
ABOUT THE OCCASION WHEN JOHN
RECEIVED THE APOCALYPSE?
768
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,700
ANDREW JACKSON: YEAH
THERE'S A SPECIFIC PASSAGE,
769
00:42:35,733 --> 00:42:37,167
REVELATION 1:10,
770
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,267
WHERE JOHN GIVES A
VERY CLEAR DESCRIPTION
771
00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:43,300
OF HOW HE RECEIVED
THE BOOK OF REVELATION.
772
00:42:43,333 --> 00:42:46,667
IT SAYS, "ON THE LORD'S DAY
I WAS IN THE SPIRIT
773
00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:50,367
"AND I HEARD BEHIND ME A
LOUD VOICE LIKE A TRUMPET,
774
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,200
"WHICH SAID WRITE ON
A SCROLL WHAT YOU SEE
775
00:42:53,233 --> 00:42:55,933
"AND SEND IT TO THE
SEVEN CHURCHES:
776
00:42:55,967 --> 00:43:00,833
"TO EPHESUS, SMYRNA,
PERGAMUM, THYATIRA, SARDIS,
777
00:43:00,867 --> 00:43:03,433
PHILADELPHIA, AND LAODICEA."
778
00:43:03,467 --> 00:43:05,333
THERE'S ALL KINDS
OF INTERPRETATIONS
779
00:43:05,367 --> 00:43:09,300
ON WHAT IT MEANT TO BE IN THE
LORD'S DAY AND IN THE SPIRIT.
780
00:43:09,333 --> 00:43:10,600
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT?
781
00:43:10,633 --> 00:43:12,400
MARK WILSON: WELL, THIS IS
THE FIRST OF FOUR OCCASIONS,
782
00:43:12,433 --> 00:43:14,233
WE'RE TOLD JOHN
WAS IN THE SPIRIT
783
00:43:14,267 --> 00:43:17,967
WHEN HE RECEIVED THE
REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST.
784
00:43:18,067 --> 00:43:19,200
LOOK AT THE SURROUNDINGS
785
00:43:19,233 --> 00:43:20,567
WHERE WE'RE AT IN
THE FIRST CENTURY.
786
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,400
A VERY BLEAK DESOLATE SITUATION
FOR HIM LIVING IN A CAVE
787
00:43:24,433 --> 00:43:26,700
AND SUDDENLY NOW
THE LORD TAKES HIM UP
788
00:43:26,733 --> 00:43:28,667
TO SHOW HIM THESE
INCREDIBLE VISIONS
789
00:43:28,700 --> 00:43:30,433
OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN HEAVEN.
790
00:43:30,467 --> 00:43:33,133
SO THIS WAS A TOTAL DISCONNECT
791
00:43:33,167 --> 00:43:35,567
FROM WHAT HIS LIFE WAS
HERE ON THE ISLAND
792
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,533
TO WHAT WAS GOING ON
IN THE HEAVENLY PLACES.
793
00:43:37,567 --> 00:43:38,833
ANDREW JACKSON: THAT
IS QUITE A LORD'S DAY.
794
00:43:38,867 --> 00:43:48,900
[MUSIC]
795
00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:58,900
[MUSIC]
796
00:44:13,433 --> 00:44:15,533
WE'RE GOING DOWN
THE MEANDER VALLEY,
797
00:44:15,567 --> 00:44:16,900
BEAUTIFUL VALLEY HERE.
798
00:44:16,933 --> 00:44:22,367
WE'RE GOING TO LAODICEA
AND ONE OF THE THINGS
799
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,100
THAT I THINK WE OVER SEE A LOT
OF TIMES IN THE BOOK OF ACTS
800
00:44:26,133 --> 00:44:29,567
IT DESCRIBES THE RESULTS OF
PAUL'S MINISTRY IN EPHESUS
801
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:34,067
IS THAT ALL THE ROMAN PROVINCE
OF ASIA HEARD THE GOSPEL,
802
00:44:34,067 --> 00:44:36,133
ALL JEWS AND GENTILES.
803
00:44:36,167 --> 00:44:38,300
AND THE ROMAN PROVINCE OF ASIA
804
00:44:38,333 --> 00:44:42,500
WAS ABOUT THE THIRD OF THE
AREA OF MODERN DAY TURKEY.
805
00:44:42,533 --> 00:44:45,933
AND AT THAT TIME MOST LIKELY
THE SEVEN CHURCHES
806
00:44:45,967 --> 00:44:49,067
IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION
WAS PLANTED.
807
00:44:49,067 --> 00:44:51,333
I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT
ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT?
808
00:44:51,367 --> 00:44:52,867
MARK WILSON:
WELL THERE'S CERTAINLY
809
00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:55,400
MORE THAN SEVEN CHURCHES
IN ASIA IN THE FIRST CENTURY,
810
00:44:55,433 --> 00:44:58,167
BUT EPHESUS, SMYRNA,
AND PERGAMUM
811
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:59,900
WERE THE THREE MOST
IMPORTANT CITIES
812
00:45:00,067 --> 00:45:01,567
SO NATURALLY THEY HAD CHURCHES.
813
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:08,300
SARDIS, PHILADELPHIA, AND
LAODICEA WERE SECONDARY CITIES.
814
00:45:08,333 --> 00:45:11,167
WE SEE THE ROUTE OF THE ORDER
815
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,100
OF THESE CHURCHES
FOLLOWING GEOGRAPHICALLY
816
00:45:13,133 --> 00:45:15,533
A ROAD THAT WOULD HAVE
MADE A CIRCLE AROUND
817
00:45:15,567 --> 00:45:17,467
THAT WOULD END IN LAODICEA.
818
00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:20,067
AS YOU KNOW ANDY
THE NUMBER SEVEN
819
00:45:20,067 --> 00:45:22,433
IS A VERY IMPORTANT SYMBOLIC
NUMBER IN REVELATION
820
00:45:22,467 --> 00:45:27,533
AND KIND OF LINKS
BACK TO THE MENORAH,
821
00:45:27,567 --> 00:45:29,900
THE CANDLESTICK
WITH ITS SEVEN BOWLS,
822
00:45:29,933 --> 00:45:32,567
AND WE SEE JESUS WALKING
AMONG THE CANDLESTICKS
823
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,200
THERE IN REVELATION
CHAPTER ONE.
824
00:45:35,233 --> 00:45:38,833
ANDREW JACKSON: YEAH IT'S
TWENTY YEARS AGO I REMEMBER
825
00:45:38,867 --> 00:45:41,533
WHEN WE WERE AT LAODICEA
THERE WAS JUST NOTHING THERE.
826
00:45:41,567 --> 00:45:44,567
SO I'M REALLY EXCITED AND
I'M SURE YOU ARE AS WELL
827
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,833
TO JUST SEE THE NEW DISCOVERIES,
THE NEW ARCHEOLOGICAL WORK
828
00:45:47,867 --> 00:45:49,667
THAT WAS DONE IN LAODICEA.
829
00:45:49,700 --> 00:45:50,933
MARK WILSON: ABSOLUTELY.
830
00:45:50,967 --> 00:45:53,700
ANDREW JACKSON: LET'S JUST ENJOY
THE BEAUTIFUL MEANDER VALLEY.
831
00:45:53,733 --> 00:46:03,833
[MUSIC]
832
00:46:03,833 --> 00:46:13,833
[MUSIC]
833
00:46:33,133 --> 00:46:34,967
MARK WILSON: LAODICEA
BECAME A VERY WEALTHY CITY
834
00:46:35,067 --> 00:46:38,200
IN THE FIRST CENTURY DUE TO
STRATEGIC GEOGRAPHICAL POSITION.
835
00:46:38,233 --> 00:46:42,233
ALSO ITS TEXTILE PRODUCTION
CONTRIBUTED TO ITS WEALTH
836
00:46:42,267 --> 00:46:45,600
AS WELL AS THE BANKING
ENTERPRISES THAT WENT ON HERE.
837
00:46:45,633 --> 00:46:50,500
IN AD 60 WHEN THE MAJOR
EARTHQUAKE DEVASTATED THE CITY
838
00:46:50,533 --> 00:46:54,100
ROME OFFERED TO HELP REBUILD,
BUT THE LAODICEANS SAID,
839
00:46:54,133 --> 00:46:56,467
"WE'RE WEALTHY ENOUGH WE
CAN REBUILD IT OURSELVES.
840
00:46:56,500 --> 00:46:58,967
ANDREW JACKSON: YEAH AND
I THINK THE PRIDE OF RICHES
841
00:46:59,067 --> 00:47:01,267
ALSO ENTERED THE
MINDSET OF THE CHURCH
842
00:47:01,300 --> 00:47:04,233
BECAUSE JESUS REBUKES
THE CHURCH OF LAODICEA
843
00:47:04,267 --> 00:47:06,800
IN JOHN'S REVELATION
WHERE HE SAYS,
844
00:47:06,833 --> 00:47:08,567
"YOU SAY I AM RICH.
845
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,500
"I HAVE ACQUIRED WEALTH
AND DO NOT NEED A THING,
846
00:47:11,533 --> 00:47:14,767
"BUT YOU DON'T REALIZE
THAT YOU ARE WRETCHED.
847
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,600
"I COUNSEL YOU TO BUY FROM ME
GOLD REFINED IN FIRES
848
00:47:18,633 --> 00:47:20,933
SO YOU CAN BECOME TRULY RICH."
849
00:47:20,967 --> 00:47:22,567
MARK WILSON: AND HE CERTAINLY
SEEMED TO HAVE ADOPTED
850
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,300
THIS ATTITUDE OF
SELF-SUFFICIENCY
851
00:47:24,333 --> 00:47:27,900
THAT WAS IN THE GENERAL
CITIZENRY AT LARGE.
852
00:47:27,933 --> 00:47:41,733
[MUSIC]
853
00:47:41,767 --> 00:47:43,700
ANDREW JACKSON: MARK ONE
OF THE MOST FAMILIAR VERSES
854
00:47:43,733 --> 00:47:46,333
IN THE LETTER TO THE
LAODICEANS IS THIS:
855
00:47:46,367 --> 00:47:50,300
"I KNOW YOUR DEEDS THAT YOU
ARE NEITHER COLD NOR HOT.
856
00:47:50,333 --> 00:47:52,800
"I WISH YOU WERE
EITHER ONE OR THE OTHER.
857
00:47:52,833 --> 00:47:56,700
SO BECAUSE YOU ARE LUKEWARM
NEITHER HOT NOR COLD
858
00:47:56,733 --> 00:47:59,067
I'M ABOUT TO SPIT YOU
OUT OF MY MOUTH."
859
00:47:59,067 --> 00:48:00,567
AND OVER THE YEARS
WE HAVE HEARD
860
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,067
A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT
INTERPRETATIONS OF THIS IMAGERY.
861
00:48:03,067 --> 00:48:05,233
WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING
OF THIS PASSAGE?
862
00:48:05,267 --> 00:48:08,067
MARK WILSON: IT SEEMS TO
REFER TO THE WATER SITUATION
863
00:48:08,067 --> 00:48:10,767
OF THE CITY OF LAODICEA
WHICH IS BEHIND US HERE.
864
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,200
WE'RE STANDING LOOKING
AT THE WATER SYSTEM
865
00:48:13,233 --> 00:48:15,633
THAT ACTUALLY BROUGHT
COLD SPRING WATER
866
00:48:15,667 --> 00:48:18,967
FROM AN UNDERGROUND SPRING
ABOUT THREE MILES TO THE SOUTH.
867
00:48:19,067 --> 00:48:21,300
YOU CAN SEE IT'S A
DOUBLE CHANNEL OF STONE
868
00:48:21,333 --> 00:48:25,367
THAT BROUGHT WATER TO A
WATER TOWER AGAIN BEHIND US
869
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,267
THAT DISTRIBUTED
THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
870
00:48:27,300 --> 00:48:29,500
SO MUCH OF THE YEAR
THIS WATER WOULD'VE BEEN
871
00:48:29,533 --> 00:48:32,200
VERY COLD WATER
GOING INTO THE CITY.
872
00:48:32,233 --> 00:48:34,900
ALSO BEHIND US YOU CAN
SEE THE WHITE TRAVERTINES
873
00:48:34,933 --> 00:48:37,500
FROM THE CITY OF HIERAPOLIS
WHICH SAT ABOVE THEM.
874
00:48:37,533 --> 00:48:40,067
AND THIS IS A GREAT SPA CENTER.
875
00:48:40,067 --> 00:48:42,400
EVEN IN ANTIQUITY
PEOPLE WENT THERE
876
00:48:42,433 --> 00:48:44,267
TO GET TREATMENT
FOR VARIOUS AILMENTS
877
00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:47,500
AND BENEFITTED FROM THE
HOT MINERAL SPRING WATER
878
00:48:47,533 --> 00:48:48,733
THAT WAS THERE.
879
00:48:48,767 --> 00:48:51,467
AND THEN JUST TO OUR EAST
IS THE CITY OF COLOSSAE.
880
00:48:51,500 --> 00:48:54,133
ABOVE THAT CITY
SAT MOUNT CADMUS,
881
00:48:54,167 --> 00:48:55,233
A VERY HIGH MOUNTAIN
882
00:48:55,267 --> 00:48:57,067
THAT MOST OF THE YEAR
IT HAD SNOW ON IT.
883
00:48:57,067 --> 00:48:59,800
AND SO WHEN THAT SNOW MELTED
THAT FED INTO THE LYCUS RIVER
884
00:48:59,833 --> 00:49:01,333
THAT FLOWED INTO THE MEANDER
885
00:49:01,367 --> 00:49:04,867
SO THESE IMAGES,
THE GEOGRAPHY OF THIS CITY
886
00:49:04,900 --> 00:49:07,733
LENDS VERY MUCH TO HELPING US
887
00:49:07,767 --> 00:49:13,167
TO INTERPRET THIS PASSAGE
OF HOT OR COLD AND LUKEWARM.
888
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,600
AND CLEARLY LUKEWARM IS
A NEGATIVE IMAGE THERE
889
00:49:15,633 --> 00:49:18,067
THE WAY JESUS USES IT.
890
00:49:21,567 --> 00:49:22,833
ANDREW JACKSON:
WE JUST LEFT LAODICEA
891
00:49:22,867 --> 00:49:25,433
THROUGH THE EPHESIAN GATE
ON OUR WAY TO EPHESUS.
892
00:49:25,467 --> 00:49:27,200
MARK WILSON: YEAH RIGHT
OUTSIDE THE EPHESIAN GATE
893
00:49:27,233 --> 00:49:29,067
IT THIS VERY WELL
PRESERVED ROMAN BRIDGE
894
00:49:29,067 --> 00:49:31,733
AND PAUL WOULD HAVE
PASSED ALONG THIS WAY
895
00:49:31,767 --> 00:49:34,833
ON HIS WAY TO EPHESUS
ON HIS THIRD JOURNEY.
896
00:49:34,867 --> 00:49:35,967
ANDREW JACKSON: THE MESSENGER
897
00:49:36,067 --> 00:49:37,733
THAT BROUGHT THE BOOK OF
REVELATION TO LAODICEA
898
00:49:37,767 --> 00:49:40,900
ALSO WOULD HAVE TAKEN
THIS SAME ROAD TO EPHESUS
899
00:49:40,933 --> 00:49:44,067
WHICH IS ABOUT A
HUNDRED MILES AHEAD OF US.
900
00:49:44,067 --> 00:49:54,100
[MUSIC]
901
00:49:54,100 --> 00:50:04,100
[MUSIC]
902
00:50:39,133 --> 00:50:40,200
MARK WILSON:
WELL HERE WE ARE ANDY
903
00:50:40,233 --> 00:50:41,433
SAINT JOHN'S BASILICA.
904
00:50:41,467 --> 00:50:42,700
LET'S GO SEE IT.
905
00:50:42,733 --> 00:50:50,533
[MUSIC]
906
00:50:50,567 --> 00:50:54,100
NOW THIS WAS BYZANTINE
AND TURKISH EPHESUS.
907
00:50:54,133 --> 00:50:55,500
AND THIS IS THE ACROPOLIS.
908
00:50:55,533 --> 00:50:58,600
THIS IS ACTUALLY
A DEFENSIVE WALL
909
00:50:58,633 --> 00:51:02,300
THAT WAS BUILT AROUND
SAINT JOHN'S BASILICA.
910
00:51:02,333 --> 00:51:05,067
MANY PEOPLE CONFUSE
SAINT JOHN'S BASILICA
911
00:51:05,100 --> 00:51:06,233
WITH THIS WALL,
912
00:51:06,267 --> 00:51:11,633
BUT IT'S ACTUALLY BEHIND
THE WALL AS WE ENTER UP.
913
00:51:11,667 --> 00:51:13,333
ANDREW JACKSON:
WHAT'S INTERESTING TO ME
914
00:51:13,367 --> 00:51:14,867
IS ALL THOSE RECYCLED STONE
915
00:51:14,900 --> 00:51:17,133
THAT COMES FROM VARIOUS
BUILDINGS IN EPHESUS.
916
00:51:17,167 --> 00:51:19,567
I SEE FREEZES,
COLUMN FRAGMENTS,
917
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,100
EVEN SOME INSCRIPTIONS HERE
BUILT INTO THE WALL
918
00:51:22,133 --> 00:51:24,567
THAT THEY'VE BROUGHT IN
SOMETHING CALLED SPOLIA.
919
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:36,433
[MUSIC]
920
00:51:36,467 --> 00:51:38,067
MARK WILSON: WELL WE'RE
LOOKING HERE ANDY
921
00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:41,333
AT THE INCREDIBLE RUINS HERE
OF SAINT JOHN'S BASILICA.
922
00:51:41,367 --> 00:51:44,100
WE CAN SEE OVER HERE FROM
SOME OF THE TEMPLE REMAINS
923
00:51:44,133 --> 00:51:47,233
AS WE WALK AROUND OVER HERE.
924
00:51:47,267 --> 00:51:49,500
AS YOU KNOW ANDY
SCHOLARS DATE THE WRITING
925
00:51:49,533 --> 00:51:50,733
OF THE BOOK OF REVELATION
926
00:51:50,767 --> 00:51:54,700
EITHER EARLY AROUND 69 BEFORE
THE DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM
927
00:51:54,733 --> 00:51:58,233
OR LATE AROUND 95
BEFORE THE DEATH OF JOHN.
928
00:51:58,267 --> 00:52:00,700
REGARDLESS OF
WHICH DATE WE HOLD TO
929
00:52:00,733 --> 00:52:02,633
WE KNOW THAT JOHN
CAME BACK TO EPHESUS
930
00:52:02,667 --> 00:52:05,200
AFTER HIS EXILE ON THE
ISLAND OF PATMOS.
931
00:52:05,233 --> 00:52:07,567
ANDREW JACKSON: YEAH AND WHEN
HE CAME BACK HE RE-ESTABLISHED
932
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,900
AND BUILT UP THE
CHURCH IN EPHESUS
933
00:52:09,933 --> 00:52:11,967
AND ALSO IN THE
ROMAN PROVINCE OF ASIA.
934
00:52:12,067 --> 00:52:15,100
AND HE BECAME KNOWN
AS THE APOSTLE OF LOVE.
935
00:52:15,133 --> 00:52:20,333
IN 1 JOHN HE WRITES, "DEAR
FRIENDS LET US LOVE ONE ANOTHER
936
00:52:20,367 --> 00:52:22,067
"FOR LOVE COMES FROM GOD.
937
00:52:22,100 --> 00:52:25,633
"EVERYONE WHO LOVES HAS BEEN
BORN OF GOD AND KNOWS GOD.
938
00:52:25,667 --> 00:52:30,667
WHOEVER DOES NOT LOVE DOES NOT
KNOW GOD BECAUSE GOD IS LOVE."
939
00:52:30,700 --> 00:52:32,567
MARK WILSON: WELL LET'S
GO VISIT THE GRAVE
940
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,300
OF THIS BELOVED DISCIPLE.
941
00:52:34,333 --> 00:52:44,367
[MUSIC]
942
00:52:44,367 --> 00:52:55,833
[MUSIC]
943
00:52:55,867 --> 00:52:57,800
ANDREW JACKSON: MARK MANY
PEOPLE IN OUR GROUPS ASKS US
944
00:52:57,833 --> 00:53:01,400
IF THIS IS THE EXACT PLACE WHERE
THE APOSTLE JOHN WAS BURIED.
945
00:53:01,433 --> 00:53:03,333
MARK WILSON: WELL I THINK
HE WAS BURIED HERE.
946
00:53:03,367 --> 00:53:05,267
THE EARLY CHRISTIANS IN EPHESUS
947
00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:07,133
PRESERVED THE MEMORY
FOR CENTURIES
948
00:53:07,167 --> 00:53:09,367
THAT JOHN WAS BURIED
IN THIS NECROPOLIS
949
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:10,767
OR CEMETERY OF THE CITY.
950
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,100
THEN IN THE EARLY FOURTH CENTURY
951
00:53:12,133 --> 00:53:14,667
THEY BUILT THIS VERY SIMPLE
FOUR POSTED CIBORIUM
952
00:53:14,700 --> 00:53:16,733
THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE
953
00:53:16,767 --> 00:53:19,367
THAT IS COVERED BY
A DOME OR CANOPY.
954
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:20,433
THEN IN THE FIFTH CENTURY
955
00:53:20,467 --> 00:53:22,633
WE HAVE A CHURCH
BUILT OVER THE TOMB,
956
00:53:22,667 --> 00:53:24,667
BUT THAT WAS DESTROYED
BY AN EARTHQUAKE.
957
00:53:24,700 --> 00:53:27,400
AND THEN IN THE SIXTH CENTURY
THE EMPEROR JUSTINIAN
958
00:53:27,433 --> 00:53:30,533
BUILDS THIS MAGNIFICENT
BASILICA OVER THE TOMB.
959
00:53:30,567 --> 00:53:32,733
ANDREW JACKSON: SO WE CAN
SAY THIS IS THE EXACT SPOT.
960
00:53:32,767 --> 00:53:33,733
MARK WILSON: I THINK SO.
961
00:53:33,767 --> 00:53:35,167
ANDREW JACKSON:
THE TEMPLE OF ARTEMIS
962
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:36,733
USED TO BE THE GREAT
DRAWING PLACE
963
00:53:36,767 --> 00:53:38,467
OF PILGRIMS FROM
ALL OVER THE WORLD,
964
00:53:38,500 --> 00:53:41,133
BUT IT WAS DESTROYED IN AD 262.
965
00:53:41,167 --> 00:53:44,433
SO WHEN THIS WAS BUILT
AND THE TOMB OF JOHN
966
00:53:44,467 --> 00:53:47,400
THIS BECAME THE PILGRIMAGE SIGHT
967
00:53:47,433 --> 00:53:49,333
FOR CHRISTIANS FROM
ALL OVER THE WORLD.
968
00:53:49,367 --> 00:53:50,500
MARK WILSON: YES IT DID.
969
00:53:50,533 --> 00:54:00,633
[MUSIC]
970
00:54:00,633 --> 00:54:10,100
[MUSIC]
971
00:54:10,133 --> 00:54:13,067
MARK WILSON: WE'VE HAD A
WONDERFUL VISIT TO EPHESUS ANDY
972
00:54:13,067 --> 00:54:15,233
AND I WAS WONDERING WHAT
DO YOU THINK THE LEGACY
973
00:54:15,267 --> 00:54:18,533
OF THE FIRST CENTURY CHURCH HERE
IS FOR CHRISTIANS TODAY?
974
00:54:18,567 --> 00:54:20,633
ANDREW JACKSON:
SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT
975
00:54:20,667 --> 00:54:24,267
EARLY CHRISTIAN LEADERS LIVED
AND MINISTERED HERE IN EPHESUS.
976
00:54:24,300 --> 00:54:28,433
WE KNOW PAUL DID, APOLLOS,
PRISCILLA AND AQUILA, TIMOTHY
977
00:54:28,467 --> 00:54:30,933
AND ALSO SOME OF THE
MOST SIGNIFICANT LETTERS
978
00:54:30,967 --> 00:54:33,967
OF THE NEW TESTAMENT WERE
WRITTEN TO OR FROM HERE.
979
00:54:34,067 --> 00:54:36,067
PAUL WROTE 1 CORINTHIANS.
980
00:54:36,067 --> 00:54:39,967
WE HAVE AN EPHESIAN LETTER,
FIRST AND SECOND TIMOTHY.
981
00:54:40,067 --> 00:54:45,067
AND ALSO JOHN WROTE THE HISTORY
LETTERS AND THE GOSPEL OF JOHN.
982
00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:48,267
AND THEN OF COURSE THE MESSAGE
IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION
983
00:54:48,300 --> 00:54:50,633
WAS WRITTEN TO HERE.
984
00:54:50,667 --> 00:54:51,967
BY THE WAY I WAS WONDERING
985
00:54:52,067 --> 00:54:56,067
IN THERE IT SAYS THAT THE
LAMP STAND COULD BE REMOVED.
986
00:54:56,067 --> 00:54:58,633
WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT ABOUT THAT?
987
00:54:58,667 --> 00:55:00,200
MARK WILSON: WELL I THINK
THE TRANSLATION THERE
988
00:55:00,233 --> 00:55:03,333
WOULD BE BETTER IF IT SAID
THE LAMP STAND WOULD BE MOVED
989
00:55:03,367 --> 00:55:08,067
BECAUSE MANY VISITORS
COME HERE IN YOUR GROUPS TOO
990
00:55:08,067 --> 00:55:11,067
AND LOOK AT THE
SPIRITUAL SITUATION HERE
991
00:55:11,067 --> 00:55:14,367
AND THINK NOTHING HAPPENED
AFTER THE FIRST CENTURY,
992
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,733
BUT WE HAVE A VERY
RICH HISTORY IN EPHESUS
993
00:55:16,767 --> 00:55:18,233
FOLLOWING THAT PERIOD.
994
00:55:18,267 --> 00:55:22,067
WE HAVE IGNATIUS PASSING
THROUGH THE PROVINCE OF ASIA
995
00:55:22,067 --> 00:55:23,533
IN THE SECOND CENTURY
996
00:55:23,567 --> 00:55:26,067
WRITING A LETTER TO THE
CHURCH HERE AROUND 110.
997
00:55:26,067 --> 00:55:29,167
AND THROUGH THIS PERIOD OF
THE FIRST SEVERAL CENTURIES
998
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,400
THERE WAS A LOT OF
PERSECUTION THAT TOOK PLACE
999
00:55:31,433 --> 00:55:33,100
GENERALLY IN THE ROMAN EMPIRE.
1000
00:55:33,133 --> 00:55:36,133
BUT AFTER THE
LEGALIZATION OF CHRISTIANITY
1001
00:55:36,167 --> 00:55:37,400
IN THE FOURTH CENTURY
1002
00:55:37,433 --> 00:55:41,667
WE HAVE THIRD ECUMENICAL COUNCIL
TAKING PLACE HERE IN EPHESUS.
1003
00:55:41,700 --> 00:55:43,700
AND OF COURSE THE
GROWTH OF THE CHURCH
1004
00:55:43,733 --> 00:55:46,733
IS GOING ALONG WITH MANY
IMPORTANT DEVELOPMENTS
1005
00:55:46,767 --> 00:55:48,833
IN THE HISTORY OF THE CITY HERE.
1006
00:55:48,867 --> 00:55:53,600
THE HARBOR BEGAN TO BE
INCREASINGLY SILTED
1007
00:55:53,633 --> 00:55:56,867
AND NOT UTILIZED,
PLAGUES HAPPENED HERE,
1008
00:55:56,900 --> 00:56:00,500
EARTHQUAKES PERIODICALLY
BRING GREAT DESTRUCTION
1009
00:56:00,533 --> 00:56:06,067
AND SO WE SEE THE CHURCH THOUGH
CONTINUING THROUGH THIS PERIOD.
1010
00:56:06,067 --> 00:56:07,933
ANDREW JACKSON: SO EVEN
WITH ALL OF THESE OBSTACLES
1011
00:56:07,967 --> 00:56:13,100
THE CHURCH CONTINUED TO GROW
AND DEVELOP AND AS JESUS SAID,
1012
00:56:13,133 --> 00:56:17,300
"THE GATES OF HADES WILL
NOT OVERCOME THE CHURCH."
1013
00:56:17,333 --> 00:56:20,067
AND SO THE THEME I THINK
IS GREAT TO FINISH ON
1014
00:56:20,067 --> 00:56:22,233
HERE IN EPHESUS
IS ONE OF VICTORY,
1015
00:56:22,267 --> 00:56:24,267
THAT WE ARE TO BE
OVERCOMERS IN OUR FAITH
1016
00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:27,600
AND CERTAINLY THAT'S THE LEGACY
THAT WE SEE HERE IN EPHESUS.
1017
00:56:27,633 --> 00:56:30,467
MARK WILSON: FOR ME IT'S REALLY
BEEN GREAT TO BE BACK IN TURKEY
1018
00:56:30,500 --> 00:56:32,367
WITH YOU AGAIN
AFTER OVER TWO DECADES
1019
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,067
AND TO RE-EXPLORE EPHESUS.
1020
00:56:34,067 --> 00:56:35,833
A LOT OF CHANGES
HAVE TAKEN PLACE HERE,
1021
00:56:35,867 --> 00:56:38,667
BUT WE'VE MADE SOME
WONDERFUL FRESH DISCOVERIES
1022
00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:41,133
THAT WE MISSED
THE FIRST TIME AROUND.
1023
00:56:41,167 --> 00:56:42,800
ANDREW JACKSON:
MARK I'VE REALLY ENJOYED
1024
00:56:42,833 --> 00:56:44,333
EXPLORING EPHESUS WITH YOU.
1025
00:56:44,367 --> 00:56:54,400
[MUSIC]
1026
00:56:54,400 --> 00:57:04,467
[MUSIC]
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