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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,446 --> 00:00:14,381 This is Justice in America. 2 00:00:14,405 --> 00:00:16,383 And I'm Madeline McBride. 3 00:00:16,407 --> 00:00:19,691 It has been 73 days since the murder 4 00:00:19,715 --> 00:00:21,432 of 11-year-old Kaylee Nagle. 5 00:00:21,456 --> 00:00:25,044 Kaylee was found sexually assaulted and stabbed to death 6 00:00:25,068 --> 00:00:27,046 in her Westchester, New York home. 7 00:00:27,070 --> 00:00:29,570 And while the police have yet to make an arrest, 8 00:00:29,594 --> 00:00:32,008 there is one suspect from whom 9 00:00:32,032 --> 00:00:33,444 we never hear. 10 00:00:33,468 --> 00:00:35,707 I'm talking about Kaylee's stepfather, 11 00:00:35,731 --> 00:00:37,709 Jeremy Brennan. 12 00:00:37,733 --> 00:00:40,103 According to Jeremy's statement to the police, 13 00:00:40,127 --> 00:00:41,974 he picked up Kaylee after school 14 00:00:41,998 --> 00:00:43,976 at soccer practice and returned home. 15 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,370 And while Kaylee's mother was at work, 16 00:00:46,394 --> 00:00:49,329 Jeremy claims he went on a bike ride 17 00:00:49,353 --> 00:00:52,376 and returned less than an hour later to find 18 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,683 his stepdaughter dead on the kitchen floor, 19 00:00:55,707 --> 00:00:58,208 her soccer jersey ripped open, 20 00:00:58,232 --> 00:01:01,385 her shorts pulled down to her ankles, 21 00:01:01,409 --> 00:01:03,039 and a kitchen knife 22 00:01:03,063 --> 00:01:05,326 buried in her chest. 23 00:01:06,414 --> 00:01:09,262 Well, apparently, the police are running out of ways 24 00:01:09,286 --> 00:01:11,917 to get this man to talk, and that is why 25 00:01:11,941 --> 00:01:15,790 I am asking you, for the 22nd night in a row, 26 00:01:15,814 --> 00:01:20,578 to let Jeremy Brennan know that you need to hear from him. 27 00:01:20,602 --> 00:01:22,580 You want answers. 28 00:01:22,604 --> 00:01:24,843 And he can't hide! 29 00:01:24,867 --> 00:01:26,366 Let's keep up the pressure. 30 00:01:26,390 --> 00:01:28,934 Let's bombard this man with our tweets. 31 00:01:28,958 --> 00:01:30,805 Let's demand that he come forward 32 00:01:30,829 --> 00:01:33,591 and answer some questions. 33 00:01:33,615 --> 00:01:36,507 @JeremyBrennanRealty. 34 00:01:43,581 --> 00:01:45,429 Dr. Bull, Mr. Colón. 35 00:01:45,453 --> 00:01:47,170 I appreciate you braving the pandemic 36 00:01:47,194 --> 00:01:48,388 to meet me this morning. 37 00:01:48,412 --> 00:01:49,694 For the record, I get tested every day. 38 00:01:49,718 --> 00:01:51,130 The room is disinfected every night. 39 00:01:51,154 --> 00:01:52,610 So feel free to leave your masks on 40 00:01:52,634 --> 00:01:54,829 or take them off as you see fit. 41 00:01:54,853 --> 00:01:56,788 You gentlemen know why you're here? 42 00:01:56,812 --> 00:01:58,703 I'm guessing it's because 43 00:01:58,727 --> 00:02:00,531 you have a Madeline McBride problem. 44 00:02:00,555 --> 00:02:02,968 She's being sued by that family of the little girl 45 00:02:02,992 --> 00:02:05,144 who was murdered. And they want her 46 00:02:05,168 --> 00:02:08,582 to stop encouraging her viewers to harass the stepfather 47 00:02:08,606 --> 00:02:10,410 on social media. 48 00:02:10,434 --> 00:02:13,065 Please. 49 00:02:13,089 --> 00:02:16,199 Well, you know... this Madeline McBride issue. 50 00:02:16,223 --> 00:02:18,810 She's picking a fight with someone who, 51 00:02:18,834 --> 00:02:20,420 who might be the guilty party, but also someone 52 00:02:20,444 --> 00:02:22,814 who could certainly be perceived as the victim, 53 00:02:22,838 --> 00:02:24,337 in that his stepdaughter was 54 00:02:24,361 --> 00:02:26,209 the person who died. 55 00:02:26,233 --> 00:02:28,036 Can't pay them off... they don't want money. 56 00:02:28,060 --> 00:02:30,082 Can't ask Madeline to stop what she's doing 57 00:02:30,106 --> 00:02:32,345 without doing irreparable harm to her brand, 58 00:02:32,369 --> 00:02:34,042 which, as you know, is 59 00:02:34,066 --> 00:02:35,740 the tough-talking, acerbic, 60 00:02:35,764 --> 00:02:37,742 defender of those denied justice. 61 00:02:37,766 --> 00:02:39,309 Yada, yada, yada. Long story short, 62 00:02:39,333 --> 00:02:41,876 we're going to court, whether we want to or not. 63 00:02:41,900 --> 00:02:43,487 So you think the jury 64 00:02:43,511 --> 00:02:46,359 just might side with the family of the dead girl? 65 00:02:46,383 --> 00:02:48,535 Our whole business is based 66 00:02:48,559 --> 00:02:50,233 on the assumption that the First Amendment gives 67 00:02:50,257 --> 00:02:52,583 our air personalities the right to express themselves 68 00:02:52,607 --> 00:02:54,237 without fear of retribution. 69 00:02:54,261 --> 00:02:55,890 And I don't want to give the courts or a jury 70 00:02:55,914 --> 00:02:57,979 any reason to second-guess that. 71 00:02:58,003 --> 00:03:00,547 I'd just love to shut this down sooner rather than later. 72 00:03:00,571 --> 00:03:04,029 If you two were inclined to lead the fight for us 73 00:03:04,053 --> 00:03:06,597 I'd certainly make it worth your while. 74 00:03:06,621 --> 00:03:08,251 You ever watch that lady's show? 75 00:03:08,275 --> 00:03:10,601 I have caught a little of it here and there. 76 00:03:10,625 --> 00:03:13,169 It's hard to believe that's what the founding fathers 77 00:03:13,193 --> 00:03:16,196 had in mind when they were cooking up the Constitution. 78 00:03:17,501 --> 00:03:19,914 Are you trying to tell me you'd rather not be involved? 79 00:03:19,938 --> 00:03:22,961 Madeline McBride is part of this culture of evisceration 80 00:03:22,985 --> 00:03:25,790 that takes over cable television every night. 81 00:03:25,814 --> 00:03:28,793 Whether it's politics or celebrity stalking 82 00:03:28,817 --> 00:03:31,187 or true crime, it's just 83 00:03:31,211 --> 00:03:32,405 it's just mean, man. 84 00:03:32,429 --> 00:03:34,059 Well, it might be mean, but Madeline McBride 85 00:03:34,083 --> 00:03:37,323 and WNN are on the right side of this thing legally. 86 00:03:37,347 --> 00:03:38,542 It's the First Amendment. 87 00:03:38,566 --> 00:03:40,805 And the problem is 88 00:03:40,829 --> 00:03:42,589 if you don't stand up for the people you don't agree with 89 00:03:42,613 --> 00:03:44,852 when they're being silenced, there might not be 90 00:03:44,876 --> 00:03:47,115 a right to free speech when they come after 91 00:03:47,139 --> 00:03:49,161 the people that you do agree with. 92 00:03:49,185 --> 00:03:51,859 Right? No less a figure than George Washington said, 93 00:03:51,883 --> 00:03:54,906 "If freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent 94 00:03:54,930 --> 00:03:57,628 we may be led like sheep to the slaughter." 95 00:03:59,282 --> 00:04:01,608 Your Honor, the law of the state of New York 96 00:04:01,632 --> 00:04:04,742 is very clear... an injunction can only be granted 97 00:04:04,766 --> 00:04:06,874 if there's proof that the party in question 98 00:04:06,898 --> 00:04:09,137 is doing irreparable harm. 99 00:04:09,161 --> 00:04:11,792 Counsel is correct on that point. 100 00:04:11,816 --> 00:04:14,317 Is your client suffering irreparable harm? 101 00:04:14,341 --> 00:04:16,449 Without question, Your Honor. 102 00:04:16,473 --> 00:04:20,148 Jeremy Brennan is suffering indescribable mental anguish 103 00:04:20,172 --> 00:04:23,413 because of Madeline McBride's relentless 104 00:04:23,437 --> 00:04:25,806 and very public attacks. 105 00:04:25,830 --> 00:04:28,635 To be clear, she's accusing 106 00:04:28,659 --> 00:04:31,551 my client of the murder of his stepdaughter 107 00:04:31,575 --> 00:04:34,337 on national television, virtually every night 108 00:04:34,361 --> 00:04:35,903 for over a month now. 109 00:04:35,927 --> 00:04:38,732 All this while he and his wife 110 00:04:38,756 --> 00:04:41,779 are dealing with the anguish of having lost 111 00:04:41,803 --> 00:04:43,824 their only child in 112 00:04:43,848 --> 00:04:46,479 as gruesome and savage 113 00:04:46,503 --> 00:04:48,655 a rape and murder 114 00:04:48,679 --> 00:04:50,614 as I can ever recall. 115 00:04:50,638 --> 00:04:52,790 She is using her bully pulpit 116 00:04:52,814 --> 00:04:55,445 to urge her viewers 117 00:04:55,469 --> 00:04:57,795 to call him out via social media. 118 00:04:57,819 --> 00:05:00,014 My client receives over a thousand 119 00:05:00,038 --> 00:05:02,800 tweets a day... all of them hostile, 120 00:05:02,824 --> 00:05:05,672 many of them threatening... And all of them mention. 121 00:05:05,696 --> 00:05:08,327 Ms. McBride and her program by name. 122 00:05:08,351 --> 00:05:11,243 Furthermore, Mr. Brennan is a real estate agent. 123 00:05:11,267 --> 00:05:15,203 His name... is an integral part of his business. 124 00:05:15,227 --> 00:05:18,816 Bus benches with his name and photo 125 00:05:18,840 --> 00:05:21,471 are being defaced with the words "pedophile" 126 00:05:21,495 --> 00:05:23,081 and "killer." 127 00:05:23,105 --> 00:05:25,649 Mr. Brennan can't even go out in public anymore. 128 00:05:25,673 --> 00:05:27,738 And let's start with the fact 129 00:05:27,762 --> 00:05:29,870 that my client has never 130 00:05:29,894 --> 00:05:32,351 been arrested or charged 131 00:05:32,375 --> 00:05:34,919 with any crime. None. 132 00:05:34,943 --> 00:05:37,095 Furthermore, there is clear evidence 133 00:05:37,119 --> 00:05:39,706 that someone else is the killer. 134 00:05:39,730 --> 00:05:43,493 There was unidentified DNA and skin cells 135 00:05:43,517 --> 00:05:46,104 present under Kaylee's fingernails. 136 00:05:46,128 --> 00:05:49,499 Something Ms. McBride doesn't even mention on her show. 137 00:05:49,523 --> 00:05:52,632 Your Honor, the DNA found underneath the victim's 138 00:05:52,656 --> 00:05:55,853 fingernails could come from anyone, anywhere. 139 00:05:55,877 --> 00:05:57,811 Possibly even 140 00:05:57,835 --> 00:06:00,031 one of her friends on the soccer field. 141 00:06:00,055 --> 00:06:02,033 And isn't this ultimately 142 00:06:02,057 --> 00:06:03,948 about the First Amendment? 143 00:06:03,972 --> 00:06:07,212 No less a figure than George Washington declared, 144 00:06:07,236 --> 00:06:10,084 "If freedom of speech is taken away, 145 00:06:10,108 --> 00:06:12,435 "then dumb and silent, 146 00:06:12,459 --> 00:06:16,090 we may be led like sheep to the slaughter." 147 00:06:16,114 --> 00:06:18,397 Mr. Colón knows good and well 148 00:06:18,421 --> 00:06:20,356 that not all speech 149 00:06:20,380 --> 00:06:22,096 is protected by the First Amendment. 150 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,273 The Supreme Court has been very clear on that. 151 00:06:25,297 --> 00:06:27,232 There's a reason you can't yell fire 152 00:06:27,256 --> 00:06:28,842 in a crowded theater. 153 00:06:28,866 --> 00:06:32,392 Respectfully, Your Honor, you can if there's smoke. 154 00:06:33,697 --> 00:06:36,372 Personally, going forward, I would encourage. 155 00:06:36,396 --> 00:06:38,635 Ms. McBride to show a degree of sensitivity 156 00:06:38,659 --> 00:06:41,986 to Mr. Brennan, who, as Mr. Godford points out, 157 00:06:42,010 --> 00:06:46,382 has not even been charged with a crime at this point. 158 00:06:46,406 --> 00:06:48,427 However, I am bound by the State of New York 159 00:06:48,451 --> 00:06:51,082 as well as the United States' Constitution. 160 00:06:51,106 --> 00:06:54,259 Madeline McBride has a guaranteed First Amendment right 161 00:06:54,283 --> 00:06:55,956 to state her opinion. 162 00:06:55,980 --> 00:06:59,395 Therefore, I am denying the request for an injunction. 163 00:06:59,419 --> 00:07:01,551 Court dismissed. 164 00:07:07,905 --> 00:07:09,753 Nice job, gentlemen. 165 00:07:09,777 --> 00:07:12,103 I told you we were in good hands. 166 00:07:12,127 --> 00:07:15,019 That George Washington quote was very moving. 167 00:07:15,043 --> 00:07:17,674 We barely said hello, but I'm very grateful 168 00:07:17,698 --> 00:07:19,937 for what you did here today. 169 00:07:19,961 --> 00:07:21,982 And 170 00:07:22,006 --> 00:07:24,705 I know that Kaylee is, too. 171 00:07:35,846 --> 00:07:37,302 Hi, hi, sorry! 172 00:07:37,326 --> 00:07:38,738 Forgive me for ambushing you. 173 00:07:38,762 --> 00:07:40,261 It's just that your place was locked, but then 174 00:07:40,285 --> 00:07:42,133 the guard downstairs recognized me 175 00:07:42,157 --> 00:07:44,483 and he said that I could wait here for you, 176 00:07:44,507 --> 00:07:45,876 so... 177 00:07:45,900 --> 00:07:48,487 What can I do for you, Ms. McBride? 178 00:07:51,079 --> 00:07:53,536 I got a phone call about an hour ago. 179 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,322 Jeremy Brennan, Kaylee Nagle's stepfather, 180 00:07:57,346 --> 00:07:59,391 he. 181 00:08:00,262 --> 00:08:03,483 He killed himself last night. 182 00:08:26,244 --> 00:08:27,681 Hello? 183 00:08:28,856 --> 00:08:31,008 Yes, this is she. 184 00:08:31,032 --> 00:08:34,122 Sorry, what hospital is this? 185 00:08:35,471 --> 00:08:37,231 No, no, there must be some mistake. 186 00:08:37,255 --> 00:08:39,973 You're, like, three blocks away from me. 187 00:08:39,997 --> 00:08:42,106 My father lives in Louisiana. 188 00:08:42,130 --> 00:08:44,393 Has for the last 15 years. 189 00:08:46,830 --> 00:08:48,591 Wait, he what? 190 00:08:48,615 --> 00:08:50,375 Tonight? 191 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:53,378 Day 42... no response 192 00:08:53,402 --> 00:08:55,423 from Jeremy Brennan or his attorneys 193 00:08:55,447 --> 00:08:58,383 regarding his availability or willingness 194 00:08:58,407 --> 00:08:59,950 to appear on this show. 195 00:08:59,974 --> 00:09:02,343 No response from Westchester PD 196 00:09:02,367 --> 00:09:04,650 as to what their plans are moving forward 197 00:09:04,674 --> 00:09:06,609 in regards to the Kaylee Nagle case. 198 00:09:06,633 --> 00:09:08,524 No response from the mayor. 199 00:09:08,548 --> 00:09:11,004 No response from the county supervisor. 200 00:09:11,028 --> 00:09:14,878 And that is why I've applied for a permit 201 00:09:14,902 --> 00:09:16,706 for an organized rally across the street 202 00:09:16,730 --> 00:09:18,055 from the Brennan home. 203 00:09:18,079 --> 00:09:21,319 The scene of Kaylee's death. 204 00:09:21,343 --> 00:09:22,973 And if you live in the tri-state area, 205 00:09:22,997 --> 00:09:25,279 I do hope that you will come down and join me 206 00:09:25,303 --> 00:09:28,674 as we let the world know that we have some questions. 207 00:09:28,698 --> 00:09:30,981 And we want some answers! 208 00:09:31,005 --> 00:09:32,939 Our client concluded her broadcast, 209 00:09:32,963 --> 00:09:35,246 this broadcast, at 9:59. 210 00:09:35,270 --> 00:09:38,902 According to the Brennan cable box, the program was viewed 211 00:09:38,926 --> 00:09:40,947 in both the bedroom and the family room. 212 00:09:40,971 --> 00:09:44,603 Jeremy's widow tells us she watched it alone 213 00:09:44,627 --> 00:09:46,344 and fell asleep shortly thereafter. 214 00:09:46,368 --> 00:09:49,042 Apparently her late husband never made it upstairs to bed. 215 00:09:49,066 --> 00:09:52,045 Sometime between 2:00 and 3:00 a.m., 216 00:09:52,069 --> 00:09:54,352 he entered the garage, climbed into his car, 217 00:09:54,376 --> 00:09:56,397 started the engine, 218 00:09:56,421 --> 00:09:58,269 but never opened the garage door. 219 00:09:58,293 --> 00:10:00,576 Just sat in the front seat and waited for the carbon monoxide 220 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,753 to do its job... no texts, no note, no nothing. 221 00:10:03,777 --> 00:10:06,712 Let's talk law... the other side is gonna have 222 00:10:06,736 --> 00:10:09,846 to prove Jeremy Brennan's suicide was uniquely 223 00:10:09,870 --> 00:10:13,153 a result of Madeline McBride's on-air provocations. 224 00:10:13,177 --> 00:10:15,373 And as disturbing as what we just saw was, 225 00:10:15,397 --> 00:10:18,942 that's gonna be a very, very difficult thing to prove. 226 00:10:18,966 --> 00:10:22,075 And yet, the six people sitting in judgment of all this 227 00:10:22,099 --> 00:10:24,077 may have a hard time separating what Madeline did 228 00:10:24,101 --> 00:10:27,167 from who Madeline is, or who she appears to be. 229 00:10:27,191 --> 00:10:29,082 Taylor, you have those Q scores? 230 00:10:29,106 --> 00:10:30,301 "Q score"? 231 00:10:30,325 --> 00:10:33,173 They measure the likeability and familiarity 232 00:10:33,197 --> 00:10:34,435 of a celebrity. 233 00:10:34,459 --> 00:10:36,263 Madeline McBride has an extraordinarily 234 00:10:36,287 --> 00:10:37,700 high Q score, actually. 235 00:10:37,724 --> 00:10:39,876 Over 80% of adults who are between the ages 236 00:10:39,900 --> 00:10:41,878 of 18 and 49 know who she is. 237 00:10:41,902 --> 00:10:44,097 Additionally, two out of three of those 80% 238 00:10:44,121 --> 00:10:46,578 admit to watching her at least three times a month. 239 00:10:46,602 --> 00:10:48,754 Okay. She's popular. We knew that. 240 00:10:48,778 --> 00:10:50,234 Here's the fascinating part. 241 00:10:50,258 --> 00:10:52,715 Two-thirds of that subset that says they watch her, 242 00:10:52,739 --> 00:10:54,673 admit they don't like her. 243 00:10:54,697 --> 00:10:57,720 They find her shrill, hysterical, judgmental, unfair. 244 00:10:57,744 --> 00:11:00,810 "She's not a nice person." 245 00:11:00,834 --> 00:11:02,986 And therein lies the problem. 246 00:11:03,010 --> 00:11:05,858 That is our potential jury pool, which is why 247 00:11:05,882 --> 00:11:07,643 we have to make sure this case doesn't devolve 248 00:11:07,667 --> 00:11:09,862 into a referendum on our client's personality. 249 00:11:09,886 --> 00:11:12,735 Now, the other side's gonna have their hands full 250 00:11:12,759 --> 00:11:14,737 trying to prove causation, which I'm fairly sure 251 00:11:14,761 --> 00:11:17,304 we will be able to defend against, but 252 00:11:17,328 --> 00:11:20,568 if this case becomes about what that jury thinks 253 00:11:20,592 --> 00:11:25,878 about McBride's behavior as a TV personality, we will lose. 254 00:11:25,902 --> 00:11:27,793 We can't play defense and win. 255 00:11:27,817 --> 00:11:30,753 We have to make sure this jury understands 256 00:11:30,777 --> 00:11:35,235 this is much bigger than a cable news TV show. 257 00:11:45,835 --> 00:11:48,533 This better be important. 258 00:11:51,536 --> 00:11:54,515 What can I do for you? 259 00:11:54,539 --> 00:11:58,215 Any progress in the Madeline McBride of it all? 260 00:11:58,239 --> 00:11:59,869 Still in the midst. 261 00:11:59,893 --> 00:12:04,177 Actually, I had a startling revelation a little while ago. 262 00:12:04,201 --> 00:12:05,831 Our client 263 00:12:05,855 --> 00:12:08,486 is the Hunchback of Notre Dame. 264 00:12:08,510 --> 00:12:10,140 People see her... 265 00:12:10,164 --> 00:12:13,360 They're appalled, but they're also fascinated. 266 00:12:13,384 --> 00:12:15,362 Same way they feel about the Hunchback. 267 00:12:15,386 --> 00:12:16,842 They can't look away. 268 00:12:16,866 --> 00:12:19,976 So, what the novel does, what the movie does 269 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,152 is it humanizes this person 270 00:12:22,176 --> 00:12:24,371 that people find so frightening, so terrifying. 271 00:12:24,395 --> 00:12:26,634 It makes them care about him. 272 00:12:26,658 --> 00:12:29,812 That's what we need to do with Madeline. 273 00:12:29,836 --> 00:12:31,901 Any idea how? 274 00:12:31,925 --> 00:12:33,206 Not a clue. 275 00:12:33,230 --> 00:12:35,034 Something will come to me. 276 00:12:35,058 --> 00:12:37,863 But I suspect that is not why you came to my office. 277 00:12:37,887 --> 00:12:39,256 Actually, I was hoping 278 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,172 to get a couple of minutes with the other Dr. Bull. 279 00:12:42,196 --> 00:12:44,241 The psychologist. 280 00:12:50,247 --> 00:12:52,791 What's going on? 281 00:12:52,815 --> 00:12:55,185 My father passed away last night. 282 00:12:55,209 --> 00:12:57,230 COVID. 283 00:12:57,254 --> 00:12:59,755 I'm so sorry. No, it's fine. 284 00:12:59,779 --> 00:13:01,582 I'm fine. 285 00:13:01,606 --> 00:13:03,695 Didn't even know he was sick. 286 00:13:06,698 --> 00:13:10,766 Haven't seen or spoken with him in almost 15 years. 287 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:12,506 I thought he was 288 00:13:12,530 --> 00:13:14,204 in New Orleans this whole time. 289 00:13:14,228 --> 00:13:17,598 Turns out he was living four subway stops away from me. 290 00:13:17,622 --> 00:13:21,080 Is that what you wanted to talk to me about? 291 00:13:21,104 --> 00:13:23,256 No. No. 292 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,935 Um, I wanted to talk about me. 293 00:13:28,503 --> 00:13:31,699 So, I got the call at 3:00 in the morning. 294 00:13:31,723 --> 00:13:35,007 Hung up, went straight to sleep. 295 00:13:35,031 --> 00:13:36,879 Didn't cry. 296 00:13:36,903 --> 00:13:38,663 Just slept. 297 00:13:38,687 --> 00:13:41,579 Then I got up, came to work. 298 00:13:41,603 --> 00:13:43,953 Still haven't cried. 299 00:13:47,217 --> 00:13:49,021 Is that crazy? 300 00:13:49,045 --> 00:13:51,284 Well, there's a lot I don't know, 301 00:13:51,308 --> 00:13:53,373 but my suspicion is 302 00:13:53,397 --> 00:13:57,073 you're not reacting yet to what happened. 303 00:13:57,097 --> 00:14:00,598 And there's two reasons. One, you're in shock. 304 00:14:00,622 --> 00:14:04,907 And two, your father already left you 15 years ago. 305 00:14:04,931 --> 00:14:08,258 So, I suspect you've been mourning him 306 00:14:08,282 --> 00:14:10,937 on and off for years. 307 00:14:14,331 --> 00:14:16,551 That makes sense. 308 00:14:17,552 --> 00:14:19,815 Thank you, Dr. Bull. 309 00:14:23,427 --> 00:14:25,908 Danny? 310 00:14:26,735 --> 00:14:29,738 Sooner or later, you will cry. 311 00:14:32,175 --> 00:14:34,327 I don't know. 312 00:14:34,351 --> 00:14:36,852 He is my father. 313 00:14:36,876 --> 00:14:40,749 And it's not like I don't have any good memories. 314 00:14:42,533 --> 00:14:44,860 But in a lot of ways, he was a really bad guy. 315 00:14:44,884 --> 00:14:47,688 I'm just telling you, it could be tomorrow, 316 00:14:47,712 --> 00:14:49,429 could be years from now. 317 00:14:49,453 --> 00:14:51,431 You'll be walking down the street, 318 00:14:51,455 --> 00:14:54,371 and suddenly, it hits you. 319 00:14:55,982 --> 00:14:58,134 I just want you to know it's coming. 320 00:14:58,158 --> 00:14:59,875 Okay. 321 00:14:59,899 --> 00:15:02,466 I've been warned. 322 00:15:07,123 --> 00:15:09,362 And when did 323 00:15:09,386 --> 00:15:12,365 the two of you become aware that Madeline McBride 324 00:15:12,389 --> 00:15:14,193 was implicating your husband 325 00:15:14,217 --> 00:15:17,718 in the death of your child on national television? 326 00:15:17,742 --> 00:15:20,808 Were you regular viewers of her program? 327 00:15:20,832 --> 00:15:23,899 No, I had never seen it before, I'd-I'd never heard of her. 328 00:15:23,923 --> 00:15:28,033 Um, I'm guessing the first time she mentioned it, 329 00:15:28,057 --> 00:15:31,036 it was a Friday night, because I remember 330 00:15:31,060 --> 00:15:34,953 it was a Saturday morning when we first got the tweets. 331 00:15:34,977 --> 00:15:37,347 Um, my husband 332 00:15:37,371 --> 00:15:39,392 had his own Twitter account for, 333 00:15:39,416 --> 00:15:41,394 for his work. 334 00:15:41,418 --> 00:15:45,224 And he woke me up to show me the 335 00:15:45,248 --> 00:15:46,660 ugliest messages. 336 00:15:46,684 --> 00:15:49,837 Um, and as I said, it was a Saturday morning, 337 00:15:49,861 --> 00:15:51,622 which are always the hardest, 338 00:15:51,646 --> 00:15:54,016 because Saturdays were Kaylee's days. 339 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:58,281 It was soccer and sleepovers, and then 340 00:15:58,305 --> 00:16:01,066 there were just these long days 341 00:16:01,090 --> 00:16:04,287 that we had to fill by ourselves. 342 00:16:04,311 --> 00:16:08,160 And how did your life change 343 00:16:08,184 --> 00:16:10,989 as Madeline McBride began 344 00:16:11,013 --> 00:16:14,384 her nightly campaign against your husband? 345 00:16:14,408 --> 00:16:16,995 After she insinuated on national television 346 00:16:17,019 --> 00:16:21,869 that Kaylee's stepfather was a pedophile and a killer? 347 00:16:21,893 --> 00:16:25,027 My husband was vilified. 348 00:16:26,463 --> 00:16:28,833 At the grocery store, 349 00:16:28,857 --> 00:16:31,618 at his office, everywhere he went. 350 00:16:31,642 --> 00:16:33,533 They would call him names, 351 00:16:33,557 --> 00:16:35,666 tell him to stop hiding. 352 00:16:35,690 --> 00:16:37,233 And 353 00:16:37,257 --> 00:16:39,191 did you and Mr. Brennan ever feel 354 00:16:39,215 --> 00:16:42,673 that you were in any real danger because of Ms. McBride? 355 00:16:42,697 --> 00:16:44,742 We did, and we were. 356 00:16:45,526 --> 00:16:47,983 In fact, the night before Jeremy took his own life, 357 00:16:48,007 --> 00:16:50,463 someone threw a brick through our front window. 358 00:16:50,487 --> 00:16:53,075 Your Honor, we would like to introduce 359 00:16:53,099 --> 00:16:55,991 into evidence the aforementioned brick 360 00:16:56,015 --> 00:16:58,558 that came through the Brennans' window. 361 00:16:58,582 --> 00:17:00,082 Objection, Your Honor. 362 00:17:00,106 --> 00:17:03,215 A brick thrown by an unknown perpetrator is not relevant 363 00:17:03,239 --> 00:17:05,435 to statements made by Ms. McBride, 364 00:17:05,459 --> 00:17:09,004 and any attempt to connect the two is speculative at best. 365 00:17:09,028 --> 00:17:11,136 Actually, the two are very much connected, 366 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,075 very much related, Your Honor. 367 00:17:13,945 --> 00:17:16,054 Sorry, Counselor. 368 00:17:16,078 --> 00:17:18,385 I think we need to see where this goes. 369 00:17:19,342 --> 00:17:21,127 Overruled. 370 00:17:21,953 --> 00:17:24,715 The brick that you're holding... 371 00:17:24,739 --> 00:17:26,784 There's some writing on it? 372 00:17:27,568 --> 00:17:31,224 Would you please read what it says? 373 00:17:32,051 --> 00:17:34,290 It says, "Stop Hiding Jeremy." 374 00:17:34,314 --> 00:17:36,770 And are you familiar with that expression? 375 00:17:36,794 --> 00:17:38,946 I certainly am. 376 00:17:38,970 --> 00:17:41,558 "StopHidingJeremy" was the hashtag 377 00:17:41,582 --> 00:17:46,108 McBride told her audience to tweet to Jeremy every night. 378 00:17:49,981 --> 00:17:51,437 You okay? 379 00:17:51,461 --> 00:17:52,743 What do you mean? 380 00:17:52,767 --> 00:17:54,788 Well, that had to be hard to listen to in there. 381 00:17:54,812 --> 00:17:57,269 Well, I'm fine. 382 00:17:57,293 --> 00:18:00,968 I know, and I think the jury sees, 383 00:18:00,992 --> 00:18:03,188 that this is very difficult for her. 384 00:18:03,212 --> 00:18:05,799 She invited him into her house. 385 00:18:05,823 --> 00:18:07,453 She invited him into her life. 386 00:18:07,477 --> 00:18:10,326 And now her daughter is dead, so she's lashing out at me. 387 00:18:10,350 --> 00:18:13,459 It's-it's kind of classic textbook. 388 00:18:13,483 --> 00:18:14,808 Don't you think? 389 00:18:14,832 --> 00:18:17,246 Do you disagree? 390 00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:20,162 Well, for what it's worth, that's not what I heard. 391 00:18:20,186 --> 00:18:23,208 I heard her communicate... 392 00:18:23,232 --> 00:18:25,819 And rather effectively, I might add... 393 00:18:25,843 --> 00:18:28,213 The impact your show had on her life. 394 00:18:28,237 --> 00:18:31,173 And, by extension, her late husband's life. 395 00:18:31,197 --> 00:18:34,350 That is what they heard. 396 00:18:34,374 --> 00:18:37,179 Let's not confuse things, Madeline. 397 00:18:37,203 --> 00:18:41,139 Jury's not here to litigate her late husband's guilt. 398 00:18:41,163 --> 00:18:42,749 They're here to litigate yours. 399 00:18:42,773 --> 00:18:45,796 I'm guilty of nothing. 400 00:18:45,820 --> 00:18:47,276 I've killed no one. 401 00:18:47,300 --> 00:18:49,713 All I've done is exercise my First Amendment rights, 402 00:18:49,737 --> 00:18:53,195 and, um, last time I checked, that's not a crime. 403 00:18:53,219 --> 00:18:56,981 So, don't you confuse things. 404 00:18:57,005 --> 00:19:00,051 And don't forget who you're here to defend. 405 00:19:07,798 --> 00:19:10,473 Dr. Soto, will you please tell the court 406 00:19:10,497 --> 00:19:12,344 what it is you do? 407 00:19:12,368 --> 00:19:14,041 I'm a licensed psychiatrist 408 00:19:14,065 --> 00:19:15,304 in the state of New York 409 00:19:15,328 --> 00:19:17,175 in private practice in Westchester County, 410 00:19:17,199 --> 00:19:19,960 and until his death, I saw Jeremy Brennan once a week 411 00:19:19,984 --> 00:19:22,572 for the past... just about four years. 412 00:19:22,596 --> 00:19:24,922 And can you give the court some idea 413 00:19:24,946 --> 00:19:27,359 why you were seeing the late Mr. Brennan 414 00:19:27,383 --> 00:19:28,795 these past four years? 415 00:19:28,819 --> 00:19:30,971 Well, without going into too much detail, 416 00:19:30,995 --> 00:19:34,236 what brought Mr. Brennan into my office was his struggle 417 00:19:34,260 --> 00:19:36,542 with issues involving generalized anxiety. 418 00:19:36,566 --> 00:19:39,893 The stresses involved with running your own business. 419 00:19:39,917 --> 00:19:41,156 Pretty run-of-the-mill stuff. 420 00:19:41,180 --> 00:19:44,594 And can you talk about the impact. 421 00:19:44,618 --> 00:19:46,552 Kaylee's death had on him? 422 00:19:46,576 --> 00:19:50,252 He was, shattered. 423 00:19:50,276 --> 00:19:52,210 Destroyed. 424 00:19:52,234 --> 00:19:55,648 Wanted to be this strong anchor for his wife, 425 00:19:55,672 --> 00:19:57,302 who obviously was devastated, 426 00:19:57,326 --> 00:19:59,609 and felt ashamed that he couldn't do it. 427 00:19:59,633 --> 00:20:01,219 Couldn't function. 428 00:20:01,243 --> 00:20:04,831 And then there was the whole issue of responsibility. 429 00:20:04,855 --> 00:20:07,312 Tracy was at work, he was at home. 430 00:20:07,336 --> 00:20:10,402 The way he explained it to me was, he could have 431 00:20:10,426 --> 00:20:12,361 just as easily been there, been at the house, 432 00:20:12,385 --> 00:20:13,927 maybe stopped it from happening. 433 00:20:13,951 --> 00:20:15,929 But he was riding his bike. 434 00:20:15,953 --> 00:20:19,281 At one of our last sessions, he told me 435 00:20:19,305 --> 00:20:21,065 it was an incredibly beautiful ride. 436 00:20:21,089 --> 00:20:24,764 And at the time, it gave him enormous pleasure. 437 00:20:24,788 --> 00:20:26,331 And he really had trouble understanding 438 00:20:26,355 --> 00:20:29,291 how he could experience so much pleasure 439 00:20:29,315 --> 00:20:33,643 when someone he loved so deeply was experiencing so much horror. 440 00:20:33,667 --> 00:20:35,732 Your Honor, we mean no disrespect, 441 00:20:35,756 --> 00:20:37,342 but it's hard to see the relevance 442 00:20:37,366 --> 00:20:38,909 of any of this testimony, 443 00:20:38,933 --> 00:20:41,259 what bearing it has on the case at hand. 444 00:20:41,283 --> 00:20:42,695 Your Honor, we believe it's essential 445 00:20:42,719 --> 00:20:43,957 for the jury to understand 446 00:20:43,981 --> 00:20:45,742 Mr. Brennan's state of mind 447 00:20:45,766 --> 00:20:47,787 before Ms. McBride turned him 448 00:20:47,811 --> 00:20:50,225 into the focus of her broadcasts, 449 00:20:50,249 --> 00:20:54,185 so they may better understand the impact she had on him. 450 00:20:54,209 --> 00:20:56,187 I agree, 451 00:20:56,211 --> 00:20:58,624 but I feel confident that you've done that. 452 00:20:58,648 --> 00:21:00,887 If we could please. 453 00:21:00,911 --> 00:21:02,933 Beg the court's pardon. 454 00:21:02,957 --> 00:21:05,631 If I could just ask one last question... 455 00:21:05,655 --> 00:21:07,329 Your Honor... about the days before. 456 00:21:07,353 --> 00:21:11,420 Ms. McBride made him the centerpiece of her broadcasts? 457 00:21:11,444 --> 00:21:13,509 One. 458 00:21:13,533 --> 00:21:15,119 But keep it brief. 459 00:21:15,143 --> 00:21:17,208 During that period, 460 00:21:17,232 --> 00:21:20,255 immediately after Kaylee's death 461 00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:23,388 but before Ms. McBride made him topic number one 462 00:21:23,412 --> 00:21:28,350 on her television show, did he seem at all to you suicidal? 463 00:21:28,374 --> 00:21:30,003 As his doctor, 464 00:21:30,027 --> 00:21:33,224 were you ever really concerned about his safety? 465 00:21:33,248 --> 00:21:34,269 No. 466 00:21:34,293 --> 00:21:37,010 He was depressed. He was angry. 467 00:21:37,034 --> 00:21:39,056 He couldn't sleep or eat. 468 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,753 But he was also very clear 469 00:21:40,777 --> 00:21:42,712 that he had to be there for his wife. 470 00:21:42,736 --> 00:21:44,801 I see. And after 471 00:21:44,825 --> 00:21:47,499 he was implicated by Ms. McBride? 472 00:21:47,523 --> 00:21:48,935 That was the first time I saw 473 00:21:48,959 --> 00:21:51,547 anything even resembling suicidal ideation. 474 00:21:51,571 --> 00:21:54,724 She was on television every night 475 00:21:54,748 --> 00:21:56,465 implying awful things. 476 00:21:56,489 --> 00:21:58,554 The unrelenting tweets. 477 00:21:58,578 --> 00:22:00,860 The phone calls in the middle of the night. 478 00:22:00,884 --> 00:22:02,645 The brick through the window. 479 00:22:02,669 --> 00:22:06,475 This rally she wanted to have across from his house. 480 00:22:06,499 --> 00:22:09,260 I wish I hadn't been so timid about it. 481 00:22:09,284 --> 00:22:11,654 I wish I really had pushed 482 00:22:11,678 --> 00:22:14,483 to have him hospitalized. 483 00:22:14,507 --> 00:22:16,920 Nothing further, Your Honor. 484 00:22:21,078 --> 00:22:24,231 Hello, Dr. Soto. 485 00:22:24,255 --> 00:22:26,277 So... 486 00:22:26,301 --> 00:22:30,020 Are you familiar with the concept of correlation 487 00:22:30,044 --> 00:22:32,849 and how it's often confused with causation? 488 00:22:32,873 --> 00:22:34,851 I'm familiar with it, yes. 489 00:22:34,875 --> 00:22:36,287 That even if there is 490 00:22:36,311 --> 00:22:39,203 a correlation between Ms. McBride's actions 491 00:22:39,227 --> 00:22:42,206 and Jeremy Brennan's depression and mental distress, 492 00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:44,948 well, that doesn't prove causation. 493 00:22:44,972 --> 00:22:48,430 No one knows for sure why Jeremy Brennan 494 00:22:48,454 --> 00:22:50,456 did what he did. 495 00:22:51,326 --> 00:22:55,286 You don't know why Mr. Brennan did what he did, do you? 496 00:22:58,899 --> 00:23:00,355 The witness will answer 497 00:23:00,379 --> 00:23:02,139 - the question, please. - That's okay, 498 00:23:02,163 --> 00:23:04,141 Your Honor. That's all right. 499 00:23:04,165 --> 00:23:06,535 I-I think the jury gets it. 500 00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:10,800 They know if the doctor, was certain about any of this, 501 00:23:10,824 --> 00:23:14,325 she would have absolutely had Mr. Brennan hospitalized. 502 00:23:14,349 --> 00:23:16,371 A-And not just thought about it. 503 00:23:16,395 --> 00:23:19,548 You know, like, done it. Made it happen. 504 00:23:19,572 --> 00:23:22,812 But she wasn't certain. 505 00:23:22,836 --> 00:23:24,490 Were you? 506 00:23:25,491 --> 00:23:27,164 No. 507 00:23:27,188 --> 00:23:31,473 Okay, so, let's get back to correlation and causation. 508 00:23:31,497 --> 00:23:33,997 To the best of your knowledge, did my client 509 00:23:34,021 --> 00:23:37,609 tell Jeremy Brennan to get on social media? 510 00:23:37,633 --> 00:23:39,611 No, not that I'm aware of. 511 00:23:39,635 --> 00:23:41,308 And, for that matter, did my client 512 00:23:41,332 --> 00:23:45,051 ever force Jeremy Brennan to watch her TV show? 513 00:23:45,075 --> 00:23:48,359 No, I-I can't imagine she did. 514 00:23:48,383 --> 00:23:50,883 I can't imagine that, either. 515 00:23:50,907 --> 00:23:52,755 Thank you. 516 00:23:52,779 --> 00:23:54,409 No further questions, Your Honor. 517 00:23:54,433 --> 00:23:56,628 I need you to answer the door, Marissa. 518 00:23:56,652 --> 00:23:58,500 What? Answer the door? What are you talking about? 519 00:23:58,524 --> 00:23:59,849 What door? 520 00:23:59,873 --> 00:24:02,049 Answer the door, Marissa. 521 00:24:03,529 --> 00:24:05,008 Doubt has arrived. 522 00:24:10,666 --> 00:24:13,558 Morning. Um, any way we could have a chat? 523 00:24:13,582 --> 00:24:15,038 Sure. 524 00:24:15,062 --> 00:24:17,040 What's up? 525 00:24:17,064 --> 00:24:19,695 Um, I need a favor. 526 00:24:19,719 --> 00:24:22,524 My father passed away earlier this week. 527 00:24:22,548 --> 00:24:25,178 God, I... Danny, I'm so sorry. 528 00:24:25,202 --> 00:24:27,093 Were you close? 529 00:24:27,117 --> 00:24:29,293 I barely knew him. 530 00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:34,342 Well, that's not true. I knew him. 531 00:24:35,561 --> 00:24:37,364 And I loved him. 532 00:24:37,388 --> 00:24:39,671 But he left us... my mom and me... 533 00:24:39,695 --> 00:24:41,586 Right before I went into the police academy. 534 00:24:41,610 --> 00:24:45,242 No goodbye. Nothing. Just, came home from school one day, 535 00:24:45,266 --> 00:24:47,766 and he was... he was gone. 536 00:24:47,790 --> 00:24:50,140 Took off with some woman. 537 00:24:51,490 --> 00:24:54,294 I haven't spoken to him in 15 years. 538 00:24:54,318 --> 00:24:56,340 So the point is, um, 539 00:24:56,364 --> 00:24:59,299 I, I hired a-a company 540 00:24:59,323 --> 00:25:01,780 to go into his apartment and box up all his things. 541 00:25:01,804 --> 00:25:04,217 Get them out of there so the, the landlord 542 00:25:04,241 --> 00:25:05,784 can get the place ready for a new tenant. 543 00:25:05,808 --> 00:25:07,394 Anyway, 544 00:25:07,418 --> 00:25:09,266 um, they just called, 545 00:25:09,290 --> 00:25:13,313 and apparently, it's about 20-some boxes. 546 00:25:13,337 --> 00:25:15,881 And I just don't have enough room 547 00:25:15,905 --> 00:25:18,884 for all that stuff in my tiny apartment, so... 548 00:25:18,908 --> 00:25:21,757 Is there any way that I could store them here, 549 00:25:21,781 --> 00:25:23,672 out of the way? 550 00:25:25,698 --> 00:25:28,459 Judge is on his way out. We're coming. 551 00:25:28,483 --> 00:25:31,070 After the other side questions me, 552 00:25:31,094 --> 00:25:33,769 you get to question me, too, right? 553 00:25:33,793 --> 00:25:35,466 Yes. That's how it works. 554 00:25:35,490 --> 00:25:36,989 Okay. For your last question, 555 00:25:37,013 --> 00:25:40,036 just make sure you ask me how I got into all of this. 556 00:25:40,060 --> 00:25:42,908 What makes me care so deeply for victims of crime. 557 00:25:42,932 --> 00:25:47,434 What makes me care so deeply for people like Kaylee. 558 00:25:52,289 --> 00:25:54,746 No evidence of forced entry. 559 00:25:54,770 --> 00:25:57,619 No real alibi for the time period 560 00:25:57,643 --> 00:26:00,578 during which Kaylee was sexually assaulted and murdered. 561 00:26:00,602 --> 00:26:03,538 I mean, he claimed he went on a bike ride, 562 00:26:03,562 --> 00:26:05,452 but no one actually saw him. 563 00:26:05,476 --> 00:26:07,454 So, he just seemed 564 00:26:07,478 --> 00:26:10,370 like someone that you would want to get answers from. 565 00:26:10,394 --> 00:26:14,070 You know what they say about walking like a duck. 566 00:26:14,094 --> 00:26:16,289 Any more questions 567 00:26:16,313 --> 00:26:17,464 for this witness, Counselor? 568 00:26:17,488 --> 00:26:20,274 Yes, Your Honor. Just one more. 569 00:26:21,057 --> 00:26:22,905 So, 570 00:26:22,929 --> 00:26:24,994 Ms. McBride, 571 00:26:25,018 --> 00:26:26,822 we've all 572 00:26:26,846 --> 00:26:28,432 seen you on television. 573 00:26:28,456 --> 00:26:31,217 We've all seen you in action. 574 00:26:31,241 --> 00:26:34,786 So, how did you come to this? 575 00:26:34,810 --> 00:26:38,834 How did you come to be a champion of justice? 576 00:26:38,858 --> 00:26:42,557 A champion of victims like Kaylee? 577 00:26:45,647 --> 00:26:48,607 Like a lot of things in life 578 00:26:50,086 --> 00:26:52,436 you never see it coming. 579 00:26:54,003 --> 00:26:55,285 20 years ago, 580 00:26:55,309 --> 00:26:57,940 I was married. 581 00:26:57,964 --> 00:27:00,464 I was living in Indiana. 582 00:27:00,488 --> 00:27:02,248 It was, like 583 00:27:02,272 --> 00:27:06,470 nine or ten weeks after 9/11. 584 00:27:06,494 --> 00:27:09,168 It was Black Friday. 585 00:27:09,192 --> 00:27:11,693 I was doing my patriotic duty 586 00:27:11,717 --> 00:27:14,260 by getting some early Christmas shopping done. 587 00:27:14,284 --> 00:27:16,828 And my three-year-old, 588 00:27:16,852 --> 00:27:19,550 David... 589 00:27:20,551 --> 00:27:23,356 He was at that in-between age. 590 00:27:23,380 --> 00:27:26,621 You know, they want to be carried, 591 00:27:26,645 --> 00:27:29,493 and, no, they want to walk on their own 592 00:27:29,517 --> 00:27:30,842 or they want to hold your hand. 593 00:27:30,866 --> 00:27:33,608 It's like, no, no, they want to be free. 594 00:27:35,131 --> 00:27:37,936 Anyway, my husband at the time 595 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,547 was in some other part of the mall. 596 00:27:40,571 --> 00:27:44,813 And I saw out of the corner of my eye 597 00:27:44,837 --> 00:27:47,642 this robot pet 598 00:27:47,666 --> 00:27:50,906 that was so popular that year. 599 00:27:50,930 --> 00:27:54,213 I mean, it was sold out everywhere. 600 00:27:54,237 --> 00:27:57,390 And then there it was. 601 00:27:57,414 --> 00:28:02,047 Magically, right in front of me. 602 00:28:02,071 --> 00:28:05,007 So, I grabbed David's hand, 603 00:28:05,031 --> 00:28:07,990 and we walked over to where they were. 604 00:28:09,688 --> 00:28:13,450 I remember that the aisle 605 00:28:13,474 --> 00:28:17,976 was so very crowded. 606 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,284 People and shopping carts 607 00:28:21,308 --> 00:28:24,026 and winter clothes. 608 00:28:25,442 --> 00:28:28,402 It seems so stupid now. 609 00:28:30,796 --> 00:28:32,319 Anyway. 610 00:28:34,364 --> 00:28:36,038 I grabbed the toy, 611 00:28:36,062 --> 00:28:38,388 and then I realized that I 612 00:28:38,412 --> 00:28:40,912 I didn't want David to see it. 613 00:28:40,936 --> 00:28:42,914 I didn't want him to know 614 00:28:42,938 --> 00:28:47,353 that Mommy was getting him the toy and not Santa. 615 00:28:47,377 --> 00:28:51,009 So I switched hands for a second. 616 00:28:51,033 --> 00:28:53,011 And... 617 00:28:53,035 --> 00:28:55,298 And then I looked down. 618 00:29:00,826 --> 00:29:03,002 He wasn't there. 619 00:29:04,133 --> 00:29:07,112 You can figure out the rest. 620 00:29:07,136 --> 00:29:09,462 It was, like, me, my husband, 621 00:29:09,486 --> 00:29:13,815 the police... we were all over that mall 622 00:29:13,839 --> 00:29:16,469 until they locked the doors 623 00:29:16,493 --> 00:29:19,453 and made us leave. 624 00:29:22,543 --> 00:29:25,502 He was just 625 00:29:26,982 --> 00:29:29,506 gone. 626 00:29:30,333 --> 00:29:32,553 I'm so sorry. 627 00:29:33,336 --> 00:29:35,837 I was desperate, 628 00:29:35,861 --> 00:29:37,926 so 629 00:29:37,950 --> 00:29:39,841 I went to the media. 630 00:29:39,865 --> 00:29:42,191 I didn't even know what the media was. 631 00:29:42,215 --> 00:29:44,454 But 632 00:29:44,478 --> 00:29:48,066 I wanted David's picture 633 00:29:48,090 --> 00:29:51,722 and his name everywhere. 634 00:29:51,746 --> 00:29:56,490 You know, just in case somebody saw him. 635 00:29:57,273 --> 00:30:01,253 And I-I wouldn't let up. 636 00:30:01,277 --> 00:30:04,169 Not even after my husband 637 00:30:04,193 --> 00:30:06,717 stopped speaking to me. 638 00:30:08,502 --> 00:30:11,176 Not even after he left me. 639 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,985 But. 640 00:30:15,509 --> 00:30:19,469 I just couldn't stop. 641 00:30:23,386 --> 00:30:25,625 My son's 642 00:30:25,649 --> 00:30:30,021 body washed up on the shore of the Patoka Lake 643 00:30:30,045 --> 00:30:32,154 a few weeks later. 644 00:30:32,178 --> 00:30:34,286 And 645 00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:37,986 I guess everyone figured 646 00:30:38,010 --> 00:30:40,055 that was that. 647 00:30:43,058 --> 00:30:45,820 But not for me. 648 00:30:45,844 --> 00:30:49,736 I went everywhere there was a microphone. 649 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,391 Radio stations. 650 00:30:52,415 --> 00:30:53,740 Colleges. 651 00:30:53,764 --> 00:30:57,788 I just... I kept pushing 652 00:30:57,812 --> 00:31:01,574 because I wanted the scalp 653 00:31:01,598 --> 00:31:05,317 of the man who kidnapped 654 00:31:05,341 --> 00:31:08,431 my son and murdered him. 655 00:31:10,259 --> 00:31:12,044 And then, finally. 656 00:31:14,611 --> 00:31:16,875 I got it. 657 00:31:21,096 --> 00:31:22,944 The police found him. 658 00:31:22,968 --> 00:31:25,729 'Cause, you know, they never dared stop looking 659 00:31:25,753 --> 00:31:29,452 'cause I was screaming from the rooftops. 660 00:31:32,281 --> 00:31:35,023 I got justice. 661 00:31:39,332 --> 00:31:41,812 I speak for the dead. 662 00:31:43,553 --> 00:31:46,687 Like my son. 663 00:31:51,561 --> 00:31:53,955 And like Kaylee. 664 00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:58,980 Told you I knew what I was doing. 665 00:31:59,004 --> 00:32:01,025 That was quite a piece of testimony. 666 00:32:01,049 --> 00:32:02,790 Any of it true? 667 00:32:03,747 --> 00:32:05,967 Yeah, step on in. Close the door? 668 00:32:09,014 --> 00:32:13,298 I'm here to inform you that WNN is withdrawing from the case. 669 00:32:13,322 --> 00:32:14,909 Excuse me? 670 00:32:14,933 --> 00:32:16,780 Also that our lawyers are on the phone with your lawyers 671 00:32:16,804 --> 00:32:17,912 negotiating the dissolution 672 00:32:17,936 --> 00:32:19,261 of your contract with our network. 673 00:32:19,285 --> 00:32:21,654 As of now, you are off the air, Madeline. 674 00:32:21,678 --> 00:32:23,874 What's going on? 675 00:32:23,898 --> 00:32:25,571 The man who killed Kaylee? 676 00:32:25,595 --> 00:32:27,095 They caught him about an hour ago. 677 00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:28,574 Confessed to everything. 678 00:32:28,598 --> 00:32:29,880 What are you talking about? 679 00:32:29,904 --> 00:32:31,838 The man who killed Kaylee was her stepfather. 680 00:32:31,862 --> 00:32:33,492 No, he wasn't. 681 00:32:33,516 --> 00:32:36,278 Look, the word is starting to get out, and people are starting 682 00:32:36,302 --> 00:32:37,627 to gather in front of the courthouse. 683 00:32:37,651 --> 00:32:38,976 They're looking for you. 684 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,108 So I'd arrange for some extra security 685 00:32:40,132 --> 00:32:43,004 to get her out of here? Yeah? 686 00:32:51,273 --> 00:32:52,947 The killer was a man named Wayne Dixon. 687 00:32:52,971 --> 00:32:54,252 He was working a construction job 688 00:32:54,276 --> 00:32:56,254 down the street from the Brennan home. 689 00:32:56,278 --> 00:32:59,997 Dixon had apparently targeted Kaylee a few weeks earlier. 690 00:33:00,021 --> 00:33:01,303 He was watching the house 691 00:33:01,327 --> 00:33:03,087 and saw Jeremy ride away on his bike. 692 00:33:03,111 --> 00:33:04,828 Dixon claims he approached the house, 693 00:33:04,852 --> 00:33:06,656 said he was a friend of Kaylee's dad, 694 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,832 and she let him in, 695 00:33:08,856 --> 00:33:11,661 which is why there is no evidence of forced entry. 696 00:33:11,685 --> 00:33:14,055 Is there anything in there 697 00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:15,839 about how the police knew 698 00:33:15,863 --> 00:33:17,319 to question Dixon in the first place? 699 00:33:17,343 --> 00:33:19,190 How did he come to their attention? 700 00:33:19,214 --> 00:33:21,845 Well, according to this, they got a tip. 701 00:33:21,869 --> 00:33:24,456 Dixon's girlfriend. Why? 702 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,545 We're in court at 11:00. 703 00:33:26,569 --> 00:33:29,200 See if you can find the girlfriend. 704 00:33:29,224 --> 00:33:31,550 See if you can get her on the phone with me. 705 00:33:31,574 --> 00:33:34,205 Ms. James, stacked all the boxes downstairs 706 00:33:34,229 --> 00:33:35,554 in that courtroom like you told me. 707 00:33:35,578 --> 00:33:37,426 Thanks so much for all your help. 708 00:33:37,450 --> 00:33:39,471 And I almost forgot. The person who helped pack up 709 00:33:39,495 --> 00:33:42,257 your dad's things wanted me to give you this. 710 00:33:42,281 --> 00:33:43,432 Thanks. 711 00:33:43,456 --> 00:33:45,501 Have a great day. 712 00:33:46,415 --> 00:33:48,828 Good morning, Ms. Cowley. 713 00:33:48,852 --> 00:33:52,963 Now, could you please tell the court what it was 714 00:33:52,987 --> 00:33:54,225 that prompted you to call the police 715 00:33:54,249 --> 00:33:55,922 on your boyfriend Wayne Dixon? 716 00:33:55,946 --> 00:33:57,446 Yeah, I-I don't know. 717 00:33:57,470 --> 00:34:01,232 Um, Wayne was working construction in Westchester, 718 00:34:01,256 --> 00:34:04,061 and, since he started, 719 00:34:04,085 --> 00:34:06,890 he just seemed different, distant, 720 00:34:06,914 --> 00:34:08,761 you know, like he was preoccupied 721 00:34:08,785 --> 00:34:11,025 with something or-or someone. 722 00:34:11,049 --> 00:34:13,462 And then, a few nights later, 723 00:34:13,486 --> 00:34:17,248 I found him out back, burning his clothes. 724 00:34:17,272 --> 00:34:20,512 I mean, why would you burn your clothes? 725 00:34:20,536 --> 00:34:24,299 He said he got some type of toxic chemical on them at work. 726 00:34:24,323 --> 00:34:28,129 But he does framing and drywall. I-I don't know. 727 00:34:28,153 --> 00:34:30,392 It just... it didn't seem right to me. 728 00:34:30,416 --> 00:34:32,742 Now, is that when you phoned the police? 729 00:34:32,766 --> 00:34:36,137 No, no, not yet. 730 00:34:36,161 --> 00:34:41,229 Um, what really got me thinking was, all of a sudden, 731 00:34:41,253 --> 00:34:43,796 he wanted to start watching Madeline McBride's show 732 00:34:43,820 --> 00:34:45,102 with me all of a sudden. 733 00:34:45,126 --> 00:34:47,626 Like, he never wanted to watch that show before. 734 00:34:47,650 --> 00:34:50,760 He did not like her. 735 00:34:50,784 --> 00:34:52,240 No offense. 736 00:34:52,264 --> 00:34:54,981 I'm sorry. I-I love you, and I love your show so much. 737 00:34:55,005 --> 00:34:56,679 Go, 738 00:34:56,703 --> 00:34:58,159 Quasimodo.Um... 739 00:34:58,183 --> 00:35:01,031 So, anyway, he started watching it with me. 740 00:35:01,055 --> 00:35:03,425 And whenever she'd bring up the case, 741 00:35:03,449 --> 00:35:07,037 he'd always say how he was working in that neighborhood 742 00:35:07,061 --> 00:35:10,736 and he knew the house that she was talking about, and... 743 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,348 And did you know your boyfriend was interested 744 00:35:13,372 --> 00:35:15,654 in prepubescent girls? 745 00:35:15,678 --> 00:35:18,203 I don't know. 746 00:35:19,552 --> 00:35:21,815 We never talked about it. 747 00:35:24,165 --> 00:35:29,190 But... whenever we were at the beach or at the park. 748 00:35:31,085 --> 00:35:33,566 I thought I always saw him looking. 749 00:35:35,568 --> 00:35:38,745 Then I thought maybe it was just in my mind. 750 00:35:39,876 --> 00:35:42,159 And what did you tell the police when you called them? 751 00:35:42,183 --> 00:35:43,987 I knew from her show 752 00:35:44,011 --> 00:35:47,512 that Kaylee had DNA on her that hadn't been identified. 753 00:35:47,536 --> 00:35:51,299 So, I called them, and I offered Wayne's hairbrush. 754 00:35:51,323 --> 00:35:53,823 And how did you know to do that? 755 00:35:53,847 --> 00:35:55,303 From her show. 756 00:35:55,327 --> 00:35:58,219 She talked about how DNA from a hairbrush caught a killer 757 00:35:58,243 --> 00:36:01,115 she was profiling a couple years back. 758 00:36:01,942 --> 00:36:06,314 Well, it's lucky you watched her show. 759 00:36:06,338 --> 00:36:07,880 Did you know that tips 760 00:36:07,904 --> 00:36:11,014 from Ms. McBride's viewers have helped 761 00:36:11,038 --> 00:36:13,756 in solving over one hundred cases 762 00:36:13,780 --> 00:36:16,150 since the show first aired? 763 00:36:16,174 --> 00:36:18,239 No. 764 00:36:18,263 --> 00:36:20,415 I just think she's really smart 765 00:36:20,439 --> 00:36:22,634 and cool. 766 00:36:22,658 --> 00:36:26,053 Just really good at her job. 767 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:27,880 Sanctuary. 768 00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:49,661 "Dear Danny James, you don't know me, but my name is Devon. 769 00:36:49,685 --> 00:36:53,012 "Some years ago, I got to know your father. 770 00:36:53,036 --> 00:36:56,015 "We met and fell in love in New York, 771 00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:58,453 "and eventually, I convinced him 772 00:36:58,477 --> 00:37:02,544 "to come live with me in Louisiana where I'm from. 773 00:37:02,568 --> 00:37:07,070 "I did not know at the time about you or your mother. 774 00:37:07,094 --> 00:37:11,727 "Three months after we settled down in Louisiana, 775 00:37:11,751 --> 00:37:15,165 "your father confessed to me about the family he had left. 776 00:37:15,189 --> 00:37:18,168 "Told me that he could no longer bear the guilt" 777 00:37:18,192 --> 00:37:20,910 "and needed to go back to you." 778 00:37:20,934 --> 00:37:24,435 "I did not stand in his way." 779 00:37:24,459 --> 00:37:27,133 "He told me when he got to New York," 780 00:37:27,157 --> 00:37:29,353 "your mother refused to speak to him." 781 00:37:29,377 --> 00:37:32,051 "Warned him that if he tried to make contact with you" 782 00:37:32,075 --> 00:37:34,426 "that she would kill him." 783 00:37:36,428 --> 00:37:38,710 "He told me he found a small apartment 784 00:37:38,734 --> 00:37:41,060 "and got a job working teaching physical education 785 00:37:41,084 --> 00:37:42,932 "at an art school. 786 00:37:42,956 --> 00:37:46,109 "Even taught himself to sketch. 787 00:37:46,133 --> 00:37:49,547 "Over the years he tried to build up the courage 788 00:37:49,571 --> 00:37:51,593 "to reach out to you, 789 00:37:51,617 --> 00:37:54,073 "but he told me he was so filled with guilt 790 00:37:54,097 --> 00:37:56,554 "and shame for leaving you, 791 00:37:56,578 --> 00:37:58,339 "he just couldn't do it. 792 00:37:58,363 --> 00:38:03,082 "And then one day, he was looking out his window, 793 00:38:03,106 --> 00:38:04,606 "and there you were. 794 00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:06,129 "Walking by. 795 00:38:06,153 --> 00:38:07,348 "He figured you were probably making your way home 796 00:38:07,372 --> 00:38:09,175 "from the police academy. 797 00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:13,049 "He said he saw you maybe ten or 20 times from that window," 798 00:38:13,073 --> 00:38:14,814 "but then, no more." 799 00:38:16,206 --> 00:38:18,968 "I didn't hear from your father again for many years." 800 00:38:18,992 --> 00:38:22,232 "And then about three weeks ago, he called" 801 00:38:22,256 --> 00:38:24,626 "to tell me he was very sick." 802 00:38:24,650 --> 00:38:27,455 "I flew to New York, but by the time" 803 00:38:27,479 --> 00:38:29,500 "I got there he was already in the hospital." 804 00:38:29,524 --> 00:38:34,636 So I'm writing to let you know what he told me. 805 00:38:34,660 --> 00:38:38,272 "That he wanted you to know he was terribly sorry. 806 00:38:39,186 --> 00:38:41,164 "And he wanted you to know 807 00:38:41,188 --> 00:38:43,364 he loved you." 808 00:38:53,374 --> 00:38:57,136 Jeremy Brennan's suicide is 809 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,617 undeniably tragic. 810 00:38:59,641 --> 00:39:02,577 And no one will ever know with certainty 811 00:39:02,601 --> 00:39:05,517 why he decided to take his own life. 812 00:39:06,909 --> 00:39:09,695 But you know what we do know with certainty? 813 00:39:10,260 --> 00:39:12,978 That Kaylee's killer was caught. 814 00:39:13,002 --> 00:39:15,981 And that's, at least in part, due 815 00:39:16,005 --> 00:39:18,201 to Madeline McBride, 816 00:39:18,225 --> 00:39:21,359 for keeping Kaylee's story alive. 817 00:39:22,316 --> 00:39:25,643 But she was only able to do it 818 00:39:25,667 --> 00:39:29,517 because her freedom of speech allowed her to do it. 819 00:39:29,541 --> 00:39:32,128 See, that's the tricky thing about freedom of speech. 820 00:39:32,152 --> 00:39:33,956 It-it cuts both ways. 821 00:39:33,980 --> 00:39:36,872 See, people have the freedom 822 00:39:36,896 --> 00:39:40,179 to say whatever it is they want to say. 823 00:39:40,203 --> 00:39:43,095 And everyone else has the freedom, 824 00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:45,707 not to listen, not to believe 825 00:39:45,731 --> 00:39:47,491 and to do their own research 826 00:39:47,515 --> 00:39:49,841 and come up with their own conclusions. 827 00:39:49,865 --> 00:39:52,061 I mean, that's what Carla Cowley did. 828 00:39:52,085 --> 00:39:53,497 You heard her. 829 00:39:53,521 --> 00:39:55,586 She loved that woman. 830 00:39:55,610 --> 00:39:58,067 But she did not let the fact 831 00:39:58,091 --> 00:40:00,374 that for over a month, she heard 832 00:40:00,398 --> 00:40:03,899 Madeline McBride, who thought that Jeremy Brennan 833 00:40:03,923 --> 00:40:05,335 probably committed the murder, 834 00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:07,293 stop her from picking up the phone 835 00:40:07,317 --> 00:40:09,861 and calling the police when she was convinced 836 00:40:09,885 --> 00:40:12,516 my client was mistaken. 837 00:40:12,540 --> 00:40:14,475 Look, I 838 00:40:14,499 --> 00:40:16,215 I get it. 839 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,479 Okay? I get it. She was 840 00:40:18,503 --> 00:40:19,871 she was wrong. 841 00:40:19,895 --> 00:40:21,220 Wrong on the facts. 842 00:40:21,244 --> 00:40:23,005 Unnecessarily harsh. 843 00:40:23,029 --> 00:40:25,050 And there were times I felt that she took 844 00:40:25,074 --> 00:40:27,183 way too much pleasure 845 00:40:27,207 --> 00:40:30,471 in her ongoing campaign against Jeremy Brennan. 846 00:40:31,690 --> 00:40:33,319 But you know what? 847 00:40:33,343 --> 00:40:36,540 That is not against the law. 848 00:40:36,564 --> 00:40:39,064 And the problem is 849 00:40:39,088 --> 00:40:41,197 if you don't stand up 850 00:40:41,221 --> 00:40:44,243 for the people you don't necessarily agree with 851 00:40:44,267 --> 00:40:46,376 when someone is trying to silence them, 852 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,032 then there might not be the right to free speech left 853 00:40:50,056 --> 00:40:53,688 when they go after the people you do agree with. 854 00:40:53,712 --> 00:40:56,865 In the matter ofTracy Brennan v. 855 00:40:56,889 --> 00:40:58,736 Madeline McBrideand the claim 856 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,391 of intentional infliction of emotional distress 857 00:41:01,415 --> 00:41:04,350 we, the jury, find Madeline McBride 858 00:41:04,374 --> 00:41:06,115 liable. 859 00:41:08,161 --> 00:41:10,531 And we award Tracy Brennan damages 860 00:41:10,555 --> 00:41:13,601 in the amount of two and one half million dollars. 861 00:41:15,342 --> 00:41:16,928 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 862 00:41:16,952 --> 00:41:18,800 thank you for your service. 863 00:41:18,824 --> 00:41:21,304 Court is adjourned. 864 00:41:24,307 --> 00:41:27,286 Ms. McBride. I'm very sorry. 865 00:41:27,310 --> 00:41:30,226 Don't be, you did your best. 866 00:41:32,968 --> 00:41:34,555 But you lost your job. 867 00:41:34,579 --> 00:41:36,470 You're about to get a boatload of bad publicity. 868 00:41:36,494 --> 00:41:39,037 And today is gonna cost you two and a half million dollars. 869 00:41:39,061 --> 00:41:41,126 Help me understand. 870 00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:43,215 You seem to have made your peace 871 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,479 with this rather quickly. 872 00:41:45,503 --> 00:41:47,698 Well, two and a half million? 873 00:41:47,722 --> 00:41:51,180 That's why God created personal liability insurance. 874 00:41:51,204 --> 00:41:54,575 And the boatload of publicity? 875 00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:56,490 I love it. 876 00:41:56,514 --> 00:41:58,056 Good or bad, 877 00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,797 it keeps me in the zeitgeist. 878 00:41:59,821 --> 00:42:02,496 And it will come in handy 879 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,237 when I sit down to cut my new deal. 880 00:42:05,261 --> 00:42:07,655 A new deal? 881 00:42:10,179 --> 00:42:12,549 See, people like me? 882 00:42:12,573 --> 00:42:14,769 People who have the courage to say 883 00:42:14,793 --> 00:42:18,163 what everyone else is thinking even if we're wrong? 884 00:42:18,187 --> 00:42:21,863 We always draw a big crowd. 885 00:42:21,887 --> 00:42:24,082 And trust me, 886 00:42:24,106 --> 00:42:26,432 after today 887 00:42:26,456 --> 00:42:28,913 the crowd will only be bigger? 888 00:42:28,937 --> 00:42:31,437 Thank you, gentlemen. 889 00:42:31,461 --> 00:42:32,821 Don't forget to send me your bill. 65030

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