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This is Justice in America.
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And I'm Madeline McBride.
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It has been 73 days
since the murder
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of 11-year-old Kaylee Nagle.
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Kaylee was found sexually
assaulted and stabbed to death
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in her Westchester,
New York home.
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And while the police
have yet to make an arrest,
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there is one suspect from whom
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we never hear.
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I'm talking about
Kaylee's stepfather,
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Jeremy Brennan.
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According to Jeremy's
statement to the police,
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he picked up Kaylee after school
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at soccer practice
and returned home.
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And while Kaylee's
mother was at work,
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Jeremy claims he
went on a bike ride
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and returned less
than an hour later to find
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his stepdaughter dead
on the kitchen floor,
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her soccer jersey ripped open,
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her shorts pulled
down to her ankles,
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and a kitchen knife
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buried in her chest.
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Well, apparently, the police
are running out of ways
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to get this man to
talk, and that is why
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I am asking you, for
the 22nd night in a row,
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to let Jeremy Brennan know
that you need to hear from him.
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You want answers.
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And he can't hide!
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Let's keep up the pressure.
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Let's bombard this
man with our tweets.
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Let's demand that
he come forward
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and answer some questions.
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@JeremyBrennanRealty.
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Dr. Bull, Mr. Colón.
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I appreciate you
braving the pandemic
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to meet me this morning.
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For the record, I
get tested every day.
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The room is
disinfected every night.
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So feel free to
leave your masks on
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or take them off as you see fit.
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You gentlemen
know why you're here?
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I'm guessing it's because
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you have a Madeline
McBride problem.
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She's being sued by
that family of the little girl
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who was murdered.
And they want her
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to stop encouraging her
viewers to harass the stepfather
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on social media.
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Please.
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Well, you know... this
Madeline McBride issue.
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She's picking a fight
with someone who,
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who might be the guilty
party, but also someone
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who could certainly be
perceived as the victim,
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in that his stepdaughter was
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the person who died.
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Can't pay them off...
they don't want money.
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Can't ask Madeline to
stop what she's doing
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without doing irreparable
harm to her brand,
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which, as you know, is
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the tough-talking, acerbic,
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defender of those
denied justice.
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Yada, yada, yada.
Long story short,
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we're going to court,
whether we want to or not.
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So you think the jury
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just might side with the
family of the dead girl?
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Our whole business is based
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on the assumption that
the First Amendment gives
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our air personalities the
right to express themselves
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without fear of retribution.
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And I don't want to
give the courts or a jury
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any reason to second-guess that.
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I'd just love to shut this
down sooner rather than later.
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If you two were inclined
to lead the fight for us
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I'd certainly make
it worth your while.
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You ever watch that lady's show?
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I have caught a little
of it here and there.
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It's hard to believe that's
what the founding fathers
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had in mind when they were
cooking up the Constitution.
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Are you trying to tell me
you'd rather not be involved?
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Madeline McBride is part
of this culture of evisceration
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that takes over cable
television every night.
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Whether it's politics
or celebrity stalking
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or true crime, it's just
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it's just mean, man.
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Well, it might be mean,
but Madeline McBride
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and WNN are on the right
side of this thing legally.
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It's the First Amendment.
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And the problem is
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if you don't stand up for the
people you don't agree with
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when they're being
silenced, there might not be
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a right to free speech
when they come after
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the people that
you do agree with.
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Right? No less a figure
than George Washington said,
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"If freedom of speech is taken
away, then dumb and silent
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we may be led like
sheep to the slaughter."
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Your Honor, the law
of the state of New York
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is very clear... an injunction
can only be granted
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if there's proof that
the party in question
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is doing irreparable harm.
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Counsel is correct
on that point.
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Is your client suffering
irreparable harm?
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Without question, Your Honor.
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Jeremy Brennan is suffering
indescribable mental anguish
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because of Madeline
McBride's relentless
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and very public attacks.
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To be clear, she's accusing
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my client of the murder
of his stepdaughter
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on national television,
virtually every night
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for over a month now.
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All this while he and his wife
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are dealing with the
anguish of having lost
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their only child in
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as gruesome and savage
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a rape and murder
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as I can ever recall.
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She is using her bully pulpit
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to urge her viewers
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to call him out
via social media.
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My client receives
over a thousand
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tweets a day...
all of them hostile,
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many of them threatening...
And all of them mention.
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Ms. McBride and
her program by name.
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Furthermore, Mr. Brennan
is a real estate agent.
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His name... is an integral
part of his business.
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Bus benches with
his name and photo
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are being defaced with
the words "pedophile"
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and "killer."
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Mr. Brennan can't even
go out in public anymore.
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And let's start with the fact
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that my client has never
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been arrested or charged
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with any crime. None.
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Furthermore, there
is clear evidence
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that someone else is the killer.
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There was unidentified
DNA and skin cells
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present under
Kaylee's fingernails.
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Something Ms. McBride doesn't
even mention on her show.
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Your Honor, the DNA
found underneath the victim's
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fingernails could come
from anyone, anywhere.
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Possibly even
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one of her friends
on the soccer field.
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And isn't this ultimately
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about the First Amendment?
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No less a figure than
George Washington declared,
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"If freedom of
speech is taken away,
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"then dumb and silent,
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we may be led like
sheep to the slaughter."
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Mr. Colón knows good and well
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that not all speech
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is protected by the
First Amendment.
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The Supreme Court has
been very clear on that.
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There's a reason
you can't yell fire
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in a crowded theater.
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Respectfully, Your Honor,
you can if there's smoke.
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Personally, going
forward, I would encourage.
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Ms. McBride to show
a degree of sensitivity
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to Mr. Brennan, who,
as Mr. Godford points out,
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has not even been charged
with a crime at this point.
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However, I am bound
by the State of New York
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as well as the United
States' Constitution.
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Madeline McBride has a
guaranteed First Amendment right
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to state her opinion.
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Therefore, I am denying
the request for an injunction.
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Court dismissed.
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Nice job, gentlemen.
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I told you we were
in good hands.
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That George Washington
quote was very moving.
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We barely said hello,
but I'm very grateful
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for what you did here today.
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And
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I know that Kaylee is, too.
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Hi, hi, sorry!
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Forgive me for ambushing you.
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It's just that your place
was locked, but then
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the guard downstairs
recognized me
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and he said that I
could wait here for you,
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so...
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What can I do for
you, Ms. McBride?
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I got a phone call
about an hour ago.
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Jeremy Brennan,
Kaylee Nagle's stepfather,
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he.
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He killed himself last night.
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Hello?
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Yes, this is she.
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Sorry, what hospital is this?
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No, no, there must
be some mistake.
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You're, like, three
blocks away from me.
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My father lives in Louisiana.
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Has for the last 15 years.
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Wait, he what?
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Tonight?
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Day 42... no response
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from Jeremy Brennan
or his attorneys
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regarding his
availability or willingness
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to appear on this show.
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No response from Westchester PD
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as to what their plans
are moving forward
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in regards to the
Kaylee Nagle case.
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No response from the mayor.
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No response from
the county supervisor.
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And that is why I've
applied for a permit
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for an organized
rally across the street
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from the Brennan home.
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The scene of Kaylee's death.
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And if you live in
the tri-state area,
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I do hope that you will
come down and join me
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as we let the world know
that we have some questions.
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And we want some answers!
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Our client concluded
her broadcast,
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this broadcast, at 9:59.
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According to the Brennan cable
box, the program was viewed
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in both the bedroom
and the family room.
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Jeremy's widow tells
us she watched it alone
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and fell asleep
shortly thereafter.
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Apparently her late husband
never made it upstairs to bed.
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Sometime between
2:00 and 3:00 a.m.,
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he entered the garage,
climbed into his car,
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started the engine,
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but never opened
the garage door.
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Just sat in the front seat and
waited for the carbon monoxide
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to do its job... no texts,
no note, no nothing.
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Let's talk law... the
other side is gonna have
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to prove Jeremy Brennan's
suicide was uniquely
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a result of Madeline
McBride's on-air provocations.
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And as disturbing as
what we just saw was,
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that's gonna be a very,
very difficult thing to prove.
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And yet, the six people
sitting in judgment of all this
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may have a hard time
separating what Madeline did
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from who Madeline is,
or who she appears to be.
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Taylor, you have those Q scores?
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"Q score"?
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They measure the
likeability and familiarity
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of a celebrity.
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Madeline McBride
has an extraordinarily
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high Q score, actually.
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Over 80% of adults who
are between the ages
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of 18 and 49 know who she is.
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Additionally, two out
of three of those 80%
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admit to watching her at
least three times a month.
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Okay. She's popular.
We knew that.
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Here's the fascinating part.
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Two-thirds of that subset that
says they watch her,
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admit they don't like her.
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They find her shrill,
hysterical, judgmental, unfair.
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"She's not a nice person."
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And therein lies the problem.
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That is our potential
jury pool, which is why
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we have to make sure
this case doesn't devolve
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into a referendum on
our client's personality.
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Now, the other side's
gonna have their hands full
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trying to prove causation,
which I'm fairly sure
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we will be able to
defend against, but
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if this case becomes
about what that jury thinks
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about McBride's behavior as
a TV personality, we will lose.
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We can't play defense and win.
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00:11:27,817 --> 00:11:30,753
We have to make sure
this jury understands
256
00:11:30,777 --> 00:11:35,235
this is much bigger than
a cable news TV show.
257
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This better be important.
258
00:11:51,536 --> 00:11:54,515
What can I do for you?
259
00:11:54,539 --> 00:11:58,215
Any progress in the
Madeline McBride of it all?
260
00:11:58,239 --> 00:11:59,869
Still in the midst.
261
00:11:59,893 --> 00:12:04,177
Actually, I had a startling
revelation a little while ago.
262
00:12:04,201 --> 00:12:05,831
Our client
263
00:12:05,855 --> 00:12:08,486
is the Hunchback of Notre Dame.
264
00:12:08,510 --> 00:12:10,140
People see her...
265
00:12:10,164 --> 00:12:13,360
They're appalled, but
they're also fascinated.
266
00:12:13,384 --> 00:12:15,362
Same way they feel
about the Hunchback.
267
00:12:15,386 --> 00:12:16,842
They can't look away.
268
00:12:16,866 --> 00:12:19,976
So, what the novel
does, what the movie does
269
00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,152
is it humanizes this person
270
00:12:22,176 --> 00:12:24,371
that people find so
frightening, so terrifying.
271
00:12:24,395 --> 00:12:26,634
It makes them care about him.
272
00:12:26,658 --> 00:12:29,812
That's what we need
to do with Madeline.
273
00:12:29,836 --> 00:12:31,901
Any idea how?
274
00:12:31,925 --> 00:12:33,206
Not a clue.
275
00:12:33,230 --> 00:12:35,034
Something will come to me.
276
00:12:35,058 --> 00:12:37,863
But I suspect that is not
why you came to my office.
277
00:12:37,887 --> 00:12:39,256
Actually, I was hoping
278
00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,172
to get a couple of minutes
with the other Dr. Bull.
279
00:12:42,196 --> 00:12:44,241
The psychologist.
280
00:12:50,247 --> 00:12:52,791
What's going on?
281
00:12:52,815 --> 00:12:55,185
My father passed
away last night.
282
00:12:55,209 --> 00:12:57,230
COVID.
283
00:12:57,254 --> 00:12:59,755
I'm so sorry. No, it's fine.
284
00:12:59,779 --> 00:13:01,582
I'm fine.
285
00:13:01,606 --> 00:13:03,695
Didn't even know he was sick.
286
00:13:06,698 --> 00:13:10,766
Haven't seen or spoken
with him in almost 15 years.
287
00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:12,506
I thought he was
288
00:13:12,530 --> 00:13:14,204
in New Orleans this whole time.
289
00:13:14,228 --> 00:13:17,598
Turns out he was living four
subway stops away from me.
290
00:13:17,622 --> 00:13:21,080
Is that what you wanted
to talk to me about?
291
00:13:21,104 --> 00:13:23,256
No. No.
292
00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,935
Um, I wanted to talk about me.
293
00:13:28,503 --> 00:13:31,699
So, I got the call at
3:00 in the morning.
294
00:13:31,723 --> 00:13:35,007
Hung up, went straight to sleep.
295
00:13:35,031 --> 00:13:36,879
Didn't cry.
296
00:13:36,903 --> 00:13:38,663
Just slept.
297
00:13:38,687 --> 00:13:41,579
Then I got up, came to work.
298
00:13:41,603 --> 00:13:43,953
Still haven't cried.
299
00:13:47,217 --> 00:13:49,021
Is that crazy?
300
00:13:49,045 --> 00:13:51,284
Well, there's a
lot I don't know,
301
00:13:51,308 --> 00:13:53,373
but my suspicion is
302
00:13:53,397 --> 00:13:57,073
you're not reacting
yet to what happened.
303
00:13:57,097 --> 00:14:00,598
And there's two reasons.
One, you're in shock.
304
00:14:00,622 --> 00:14:04,907
And two, your father
already left you 15 years ago.
305
00:14:04,931 --> 00:14:08,258
So, I suspect you've
been mourning him
306
00:14:08,282 --> 00:14:10,937
on and off for years.
307
00:14:14,331 --> 00:14:16,551
That makes sense.
308
00:14:17,552 --> 00:14:19,815
Thank you, Dr. Bull.
309
00:14:23,427 --> 00:14:25,908
Danny?
310
00:14:26,735 --> 00:14:29,738
Sooner or later, you will cry.
311
00:14:32,175 --> 00:14:34,327
I don't know.
312
00:14:34,351 --> 00:14:36,852
He is my father.
313
00:14:36,876 --> 00:14:40,749
And it's not like I don't
have any good memories.
314
00:14:42,533 --> 00:14:44,860
But in a lot of ways,
he was a really bad guy.
315
00:14:44,884 --> 00:14:47,688
I'm just telling you,
it could be tomorrow,
316
00:14:47,712 --> 00:14:49,429
could be years from now.
317
00:14:49,453 --> 00:14:51,431
You'll be walking
down the street,
318
00:14:51,455 --> 00:14:54,371
and suddenly, it hits you.
319
00:14:55,982 --> 00:14:58,134
I just want you to
know it's coming.
320
00:14:58,158 --> 00:14:59,875
Okay.
321
00:14:59,899 --> 00:15:02,466
I've been warned.
322
00:15:07,123 --> 00:15:09,362
And when did
323
00:15:09,386 --> 00:15:12,365
the two of you become
aware that Madeline McBride
324
00:15:12,389 --> 00:15:14,193
was implicating your husband
325
00:15:14,217 --> 00:15:17,718
in the death of your child
on national television?
326
00:15:17,742 --> 00:15:20,808
Were you regular
viewers of her program?
327
00:15:20,832 --> 00:15:23,899
No, I had never seen it
before, I'd-I'd never heard of her.
328
00:15:23,923 --> 00:15:28,033
Um, I'm guessing the
first time she mentioned it,
329
00:15:28,057 --> 00:15:31,036
it was a Friday night,
because I remember
330
00:15:31,060 --> 00:15:34,953
it was a Saturday morning
when we first got the tweets.
331
00:15:34,977 --> 00:15:37,347
Um, my husband
332
00:15:37,371 --> 00:15:39,392
had his own Twitter account for,
333
00:15:39,416 --> 00:15:41,394
for his work.
334
00:15:41,418 --> 00:15:45,224
And he woke me up to show me the
335
00:15:45,248 --> 00:15:46,660
ugliest messages.
336
00:15:46,684 --> 00:15:49,837
Um, and as I said, it
was a Saturday morning,
337
00:15:49,861 --> 00:15:51,622
which are always the hardest,
338
00:15:51,646 --> 00:15:54,016
because Saturdays
were Kaylee's days.
339
00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:58,281
It was soccer and
sleepovers, and then
340
00:15:58,305 --> 00:16:01,066
there were just these long days
341
00:16:01,090 --> 00:16:04,287
that we had to
fill by ourselves.
342
00:16:04,311 --> 00:16:08,160
And how did your life change
343
00:16:08,184 --> 00:16:10,989
as Madeline McBride began
344
00:16:11,013 --> 00:16:14,384
her nightly campaign
against your husband?
345
00:16:14,408 --> 00:16:16,995
After she insinuated
on national television
346
00:16:17,019 --> 00:16:21,869
that Kaylee's stepfather
was a pedophile and a killer?
347
00:16:21,893 --> 00:16:25,027
My husband was vilified.
348
00:16:26,463 --> 00:16:28,833
At the grocery store,
349
00:16:28,857 --> 00:16:31,618
at his office,
everywhere he went.
350
00:16:31,642 --> 00:16:33,533
They would call him names,
351
00:16:33,557 --> 00:16:35,666
tell him to stop hiding.
352
00:16:35,690 --> 00:16:37,233
And
353
00:16:37,257 --> 00:16:39,191
did you and
Mr. Brennan ever feel
354
00:16:39,215 --> 00:16:42,673
that you were in any real
danger because of Ms. McBride?
355
00:16:42,697 --> 00:16:44,742
We did, and we were.
356
00:16:45,526 --> 00:16:47,983
In fact, the night before
Jeremy took his own life,
357
00:16:48,007 --> 00:16:50,463
someone threw a brick
through our front window.
358
00:16:50,487 --> 00:16:53,075
Your Honor, we
would like to introduce
359
00:16:53,099 --> 00:16:55,991
into evidence the
aforementioned brick
360
00:16:56,015 --> 00:16:58,558
that came through
the Brennans' window.
361
00:16:58,582 --> 00:17:00,082
Objection, Your Honor.
362
00:17:00,106 --> 00:17:03,215
A brick thrown by an unknown
perpetrator is not relevant
363
00:17:03,239 --> 00:17:05,435
to statements made
by Ms. McBride,
364
00:17:05,459 --> 00:17:09,004
and any attempt to connect
the two is speculative at best.
365
00:17:09,028 --> 00:17:11,136
Actually, the two are
very much connected,
366
00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,075
very much related, Your Honor.
367
00:17:13,945 --> 00:17:16,054
Sorry, Counselor.
368
00:17:16,078 --> 00:17:18,385
I think we need to
see where this goes.
369
00:17:19,342 --> 00:17:21,127
Overruled.
370
00:17:21,953 --> 00:17:24,715
The brick that you're holding...
371
00:17:24,739 --> 00:17:26,784
There's some writing on it?
372
00:17:27,568 --> 00:17:31,224
Would you please
read what it says?
373
00:17:32,051 --> 00:17:34,290
It says, "Stop Hiding Jeremy."
374
00:17:34,314 --> 00:17:36,770
And are you familiar
with that expression?
375
00:17:36,794 --> 00:17:38,946
I certainly am.
376
00:17:38,970 --> 00:17:41,558
"StopHidingJeremy"
was the hashtag
377
00:17:41,582 --> 00:17:46,108
McBride told her audience
to tweet to Jeremy every night.
378
00:17:49,981 --> 00:17:51,437
You okay?
379
00:17:51,461 --> 00:17:52,743
What do you mean?
380
00:17:52,767 --> 00:17:54,788
Well, that had to be
hard to listen to in there.
381
00:17:54,812 --> 00:17:57,269
Well, I'm fine.
382
00:17:57,293 --> 00:18:00,968
I know, and I
think the jury sees,
383
00:18:00,992 --> 00:18:03,188
that this is very
difficult for her.
384
00:18:03,212 --> 00:18:05,799
She invited him into her house.
385
00:18:05,823 --> 00:18:07,453
She invited him into her life.
386
00:18:07,477 --> 00:18:10,326
And now her daughter is
dead, so she's lashing out at me.
387
00:18:10,350 --> 00:18:13,459
It's-it's kind of
classic textbook.
388
00:18:13,483 --> 00:18:14,808
Don't you think?
389
00:18:14,832 --> 00:18:17,246
Do you disagree?
390
00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:20,162
Well, for what it's worth,
that's not what I heard.
391
00:18:20,186 --> 00:18:23,208
I heard her communicate...
392
00:18:23,232 --> 00:18:25,819
And rather effectively,
I might add...
393
00:18:25,843 --> 00:18:28,213
The impact your
show had on her life.
394
00:18:28,237 --> 00:18:31,173
And, by extension,
her late husband's life.
395
00:18:31,197 --> 00:18:34,350
That is what they heard.
396
00:18:34,374 --> 00:18:37,179
Let's not confuse
things, Madeline.
397
00:18:37,203 --> 00:18:41,139
Jury's not here to litigate
her late husband's guilt.
398
00:18:41,163 --> 00:18:42,749
They're here to litigate yours.
399
00:18:42,773 --> 00:18:45,796
I'm guilty of nothing.
400
00:18:45,820 --> 00:18:47,276
I've killed no one.
401
00:18:47,300 --> 00:18:49,713
All I've done is exercise
my First Amendment rights,
402
00:18:49,737 --> 00:18:53,195
and, um, last time I
checked, that's not a crime.
403
00:18:53,219 --> 00:18:56,981
So, don't you confuse things.
404
00:18:57,005 --> 00:19:00,051
And don't forget who
you're here to defend.
405
00:19:07,798 --> 00:19:10,473
Dr. Soto, will you
please tell the court
406
00:19:10,497 --> 00:19:12,344
what it is you do?
407
00:19:12,368 --> 00:19:14,041
I'm a licensed psychiatrist
408
00:19:14,065 --> 00:19:15,304
in the state of New York
409
00:19:15,328 --> 00:19:17,175
in private practice in
Westchester County,
410
00:19:17,199 --> 00:19:19,960
and until his death, I saw
Jeremy Brennan once a week
411
00:19:19,984 --> 00:19:22,572
for the past... just
about four years.
412
00:19:22,596 --> 00:19:24,922
And can you give
the court some idea
413
00:19:24,946 --> 00:19:27,359
why you were seeing
the late Mr. Brennan
414
00:19:27,383 --> 00:19:28,795
these past four years?
415
00:19:28,819 --> 00:19:30,971
Well, without going
into too much detail,
416
00:19:30,995 --> 00:19:34,236
what brought Mr. Brennan
into my office was his struggle
417
00:19:34,260 --> 00:19:36,542
with issues involving
generalized anxiety.
418
00:19:36,566 --> 00:19:39,893
The stresses involved with
running your own business.
419
00:19:39,917 --> 00:19:41,156
Pretty run-of-the-mill stuff.
420
00:19:41,180 --> 00:19:44,594
And can you talk
about the impact.
421
00:19:44,618 --> 00:19:46,552
Kaylee's death had on him?
422
00:19:46,576 --> 00:19:50,252
He was, shattered.
423
00:19:50,276 --> 00:19:52,210
Destroyed.
424
00:19:52,234 --> 00:19:55,648
Wanted to be this
strong anchor for his wife,
425
00:19:55,672 --> 00:19:57,302
who obviously was devastated,
426
00:19:57,326 --> 00:19:59,609
and felt ashamed
that he couldn't do it.
427
00:19:59,633 --> 00:20:01,219
Couldn't function.
428
00:20:01,243 --> 00:20:04,831
And then there was the
whole issue of responsibility.
429
00:20:04,855 --> 00:20:07,312
Tracy was at work,
he was at home.
430
00:20:07,336 --> 00:20:10,402
The way he explained it
to me was, he could have
431
00:20:10,426 --> 00:20:12,361
just as easily been
there, been at the house,
432
00:20:12,385 --> 00:20:13,927
maybe stopped it from happening.
433
00:20:13,951 --> 00:20:15,929
But he was riding his bike.
434
00:20:15,953 --> 00:20:19,281
At one of our last
sessions, he told me
435
00:20:19,305 --> 00:20:21,065
it was an incredibly
beautiful ride.
436
00:20:21,089 --> 00:20:24,764
And at the time, it gave
him enormous pleasure.
437
00:20:24,788 --> 00:20:26,331
And he really had
trouble understanding
438
00:20:26,355 --> 00:20:29,291
how he could experience
so much pleasure
439
00:20:29,315 --> 00:20:33,643
when someone he loved so deeply
was experiencing so much horror.
440
00:20:33,667 --> 00:20:35,732
Your Honor, we
mean no disrespect,
441
00:20:35,756 --> 00:20:37,342
but it's hard to
see the relevance
442
00:20:37,366 --> 00:20:38,909
of any of this testimony,
443
00:20:38,933 --> 00:20:41,259
what bearing it has
on the case at hand.
444
00:20:41,283 --> 00:20:42,695
Your Honor, we
believe it's essential
445
00:20:42,719 --> 00:20:43,957
for the jury to understand
446
00:20:43,981 --> 00:20:45,742
Mr. Brennan's state of mind
447
00:20:45,766 --> 00:20:47,787
before Ms. McBride turned him
448
00:20:47,811 --> 00:20:50,225
into the focus of
her broadcasts,
449
00:20:50,249 --> 00:20:54,185
so they may better understand
the impact she had on him.
450
00:20:54,209 --> 00:20:56,187
I agree,
451
00:20:56,211 --> 00:20:58,624
but I feel confident
that you've done that.
452
00:20:58,648 --> 00:21:00,887
If we could please.
453
00:21:00,911 --> 00:21:02,933
Beg the court's pardon.
454
00:21:02,957 --> 00:21:05,631
If I could just ask
one last question...
455
00:21:05,655 --> 00:21:07,329
Your Honor... about
the days before.
456
00:21:07,353 --> 00:21:11,420
Ms. McBride made him the
centerpiece of her broadcasts?
457
00:21:11,444 --> 00:21:13,509
One.
458
00:21:13,533 --> 00:21:15,119
But keep it brief.
459
00:21:15,143 --> 00:21:17,208
During that period,
460
00:21:17,232 --> 00:21:20,255
immediately after Kaylee's death
461
00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:23,388
but before Ms. McBride
made him topic number one
462
00:21:23,412 --> 00:21:28,350
on her television show, did
he seem at all to you suicidal?
463
00:21:28,374 --> 00:21:30,003
As his doctor,
464
00:21:30,027 --> 00:21:33,224
were you ever really
concerned about his safety?
465
00:21:33,248 --> 00:21:34,269
No.
466
00:21:34,293 --> 00:21:37,010
He was depressed. He was angry.
467
00:21:37,034 --> 00:21:39,056
He couldn't sleep or eat.
468
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,753
But he was also very clear
469
00:21:40,777 --> 00:21:42,712
that he had to be
there for his wife.
470
00:21:42,736 --> 00:21:44,801
I see. And after
471
00:21:44,825 --> 00:21:47,499
he was implicated
by Ms. McBride?
472
00:21:47,523 --> 00:21:48,935
That was the first time I saw
473
00:21:48,959 --> 00:21:51,547
anything even resembling
suicidal ideation.
474
00:21:51,571 --> 00:21:54,724
She was on
television every night
475
00:21:54,748 --> 00:21:56,465
implying awful things.
476
00:21:56,489 --> 00:21:58,554
The unrelenting tweets.
477
00:21:58,578 --> 00:22:00,860
The phone calls in
the middle of the night.
478
00:22:00,884 --> 00:22:02,645
The brick through the window.
479
00:22:02,669 --> 00:22:06,475
This rally she wanted to
have across from his house.
480
00:22:06,499 --> 00:22:09,260
I wish I hadn't been
so timid about it.
481
00:22:09,284 --> 00:22:11,654
I wish I really had pushed
482
00:22:11,678 --> 00:22:14,483
to have him hospitalized.
483
00:22:14,507 --> 00:22:16,920
Nothing further, Your Honor.
484
00:22:21,078 --> 00:22:24,231
Hello, Dr. Soto.
485
00:22:24,255 --> 00:22:26,277
So...
486
00:22:26,301 --> 00:22:30,020
Are you familiar with
the concept of correlation
487
00:22:30,044 --> 00:22:32,849
and how it's often
confused with causation?
488
00:22:32,873 --> 00:22:34,851
I'm familiar with it, yes.
489
00:22:34,875 --> 00:22:36,287
That even if there is
490
00:22:36,311 --> 00:22:39,203
a correlation between
Ms. McBride's actions
491
00:22:39,227 --> 00:22:42,206
and Jeremy Brennan's
depression and mental distress,
492
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:44,948
well, that doesn't
prove causation.
493
00:22:44,972 --> 00:22:48,430
No one knows for sure
why Jeremy Brennan
494
00:22:48,454 --> 00:22:50,456
did what he did.
495
00:22:51,326 --> 00:22:55,286
You don't know why Mr. Brennan
did what he did, do you?
496
00:22:58,899 --> 00:23:00,355
The witness will answer
497
00:23:00,379 --> 00:23:02,139
- the question, please.
- That's okay,
498
00:23:02,163 --> 00:23:04,141
Your Honor. That's all right.
499
00:23:04,165 --> 00:23:06,535
I-I think the jury gets it.
500
00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:10,800
They know if the doctor,
was certain about any of this,
501
00:23:10,824 --> 00:23:14,325
she would have absolutely
had Mr. Brennan hospitalized.
502
00:23:14,349 --> 00:23:16,371
A-And not just thought about it.
503
00:23:16,395 --> 00:23:19,548
You know, like, done
it. Made it happen.
504
00:23:19,572 --> 00:23:22,812
But she wasn't certain.
505
00:23:22,836 --> 00:23:24,490
Were you?
506
00:23:25,491 --> 00:23:27,164
No.
507
00:23:27,188 --> 00:23:31,473
Okay, so, let's get back to
correlation and causation.
508
00:23:31,497 --> 00:23:33,997
To the best of your
knowledge, did my client
509
00:23:34,021 --> 00:23:37,609
tell Jeremy Brennan
to get on social media?
510
00:23:37,633 --> 00:23:39,611
No, not that I'm aware of.
511
00:23:39,635 --> 00:23:41,308
And, for that
matter, did my client
512
00:23:41,332 --> 00:23:45,051
ever force Jeremy Brennan
to watch her TV show?
513
00:23:45,075 --> 00:23:48,359
No, I-I can't imagine she did.
514
00:23:48,383 --> 00:23:50,883
I can't imagine that, either.
515
00:23:50,907 --> 00:23:52,755
Thank you.
516
00:23:52,779 --> 00:23:54,409
No further questions,
Your Honor.
517
00:23:54,433 --> 00:23:56,628
I need you to answer
the door, Marissa.
518
00:23:56,652 --> 00:23:58,500
What? Answer the door?
What are you talking about?
519
00:23:58,524 --> 00:23:59,849
What door?
520
00:23:59,873 --> 00:24:02,049
Answer the door, Marissa.
521
00:24:03,529 --> 00:24:05,008
Doubt has arrived.
522
00:24:10,666 --> 00:24:13,558
Morning. Um, any way
we could have a chat?
523
00:24:13,582 --> 00:24:15,038
Sure.
524
00:24:15,062 --> 00:24:17,040
What's up?
525
00:24:17,064 --> 00:24:19,695
Um, I need a favor.
526
00:24:19,719 --> 00:24:22,524
My father passed
away earlier this week.
527
00:24:22,548 --> 00:24:25,178
God, I... Danny, I'm so sorry.
528
00:24:25,202 --> 00:24:27,093
Were you close?
529
00:24:27,117 --> 00:24:29,293
I barely knew him.
530
00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:34,342
Well, that's not
true. I knew him.
531
00:24:35,561 --> 00:24:37,364
And I loved him.
532
00:24:37,388 --> 00:24:39,671
But he left us...
my mom and me...
533
00:24:39,695 --> 00:24:41,586
Right before I went
into the police academy.
534
00:24:41,610 --> 00:24:45,242
No goodbye. Nothing. Just,
came home from school one day,
535
00:24:45,266 --> 00:24:47,766
and he was... he was gone.
536
00:24:47,790 --> 00:24:50,140
Took off with some woman.
537
00:24:51,490 --> 00:24:54,294
I haven't spoken
to him in 15 years.
538
00:24:54,318 --> 00:24:56,340
So the point is, um,
539
00:24:56,364 --> 00:24:59,299
I, I hired a-a company
540
00:24:59,323 --> 00:25:01,780
to go into his apartment
and box up all his things.
541
00:25:01,804 --> 00:25:04,217
Get them out of there
so the, the landlord
542
00:25:04,241 --> 00:25:05,784
can get the place
ready for a new tenant.
543
00:25:05,808 --> 00:25:07,394
Anyway,
544
00:25:07,418 --> 00:25:09,266
um, they just called,
545
00:25:09,290 --> 00:25:13,313
and apparently, it's
about 20-some boxes.
546
00:25:13,337 --> 00:25:15,881
And I just don't
have enough room
547
00:25:15,905 --> 00:25:18,884
for all that stuff in my
tiny apartment, so...
548
00:25:18,908 --> 00:25:21,757
Is there any way that I
could store them here,
549
00:25:21,781 --> 00:25:23,672
out of the way?
550
00:25:25,698 --> 00:25:28,459
Judge is on his way
out. We're coming.
551
00:25:28,483 --> 00:25:31,070
After the other
side questions me,
552
00:25:31,094 --> 00:25:33,769
you get to question
me, too, right?
553
00:25:33,793 --> 00:25:35,466
Yes. That's how it works.
554
00:25:35,490 --> 00:25:36,989
Okay. For your last question,
555
00:25:37,013 --> 00:25:40,036
just make sure you ask
me how I got into all of this.
556
00:25:40,060 --> 00:25:42,908
What makes me care so
deeply for victims of crime.
557
00:25:42,932 --> 00:25:47,434
What makes me care so
deeply for people like Kaylee.
558
00:25:52,289 --> 00:25:54,746
No evidence of forced entry.
559
00:25:54,770 --> 00:25:57,619
No real alibi for
the time period
560
00:25:57,643 --> 00:26:00,578
during which Kaylee was
sexually assaulted and murdered.
561
00:26:00,602 --> 00:26:03,538
I mean, he claimed
he went on a bike ride,
562
00:26:03,562 --> 00:26:05,452
but no one actually saw him.
563
00:26:05,476 --> 00:26:07,454
So, he just seemed
564
00:26:07,478 --> 00:26:10,370
like someone that you would
want to get answers from.
565
00:26:10,394 --> 00:26:14,070
You know what they say
about walking like a duck.
566
00:26:14,094 --> 00:26:16,289
Any more questions
567
00:26:16,313 --> 00:26:17,464
for this witness, Counselor?
568
00:26:17,488 --> 00:26:20,274
Yes, Your Honor. Just one more.
569
00:26:21,057 --> 00:26:22,905
So,
570
00:26:22,929 --> 00:26:24,994
Ms. McBride,
571
00:26:25,018 --> 00:26:26,822
we've all
572
00:26:26,846 --> 00:26:28,432
seen you on television.
573
00:26:28,456 --> 00:26:31,217
We've all seen you in action.
574
00:26:31,241 --> 00:26:34,786
So, how did you come to this?
575
00:26:34,810 --> 00:26:38,834
How did you come to
be a champion of justice?
576
00:26:38,858 --> 00:26:42,557
A champion of
victims like Kaylee?
577
00:26:45,647 --> 00:26:48,607
Like a lot of things in life
578
00:26:50,086 --> 00:26:52,436
you never see it coming.
579
00:26:54,003 --> 00:26:55,285
20 years ago,
580
00:26:55,309 --> 00:26:57,940
I was married.
581
00:26:57,964 --> 00:27:00,464
I was living in Indiana.
582
00:27:00,488 --> 00:27:02,248
It was, like
583
00:27:02,272 --> 00:27:06,470
nine or ten weeks after 9/11.
584
00:27:06,494 --> 00:27:09,168
It was Black Friday.
585
00:27:09,192 --> 00:27:11,693
I was doing my patriotic duty
586
00:27:11,717 --> 00:27:14,260
by getting some early
Christmas shopping done.
587
00:27:14,284 --> 00:27:16,828
And my three-year-old,
588
00:27:16,852 --> 00:27:19,550
David...
589
00:27:20,551 --> 00:27:23,356
He was at that in-between age.
590
00:27:23,380 --> 00:27:26,621
You know, they
want to be carried,
591
00:27:26,645 --> 00:27:29,493
and, no, they want
to walk on their own
592
00:27:29,517 --> 00:27:30,842
or they want to hold your hand.
593
00:27:30,866 --> 00:27:33,608
It's like, no, no,
they want to be free.
594
00:27:35,131 --> 00:27:37,936
Anyway, my husband at the time
595
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,547
was in some other
part of the mall.
596
00:27:40,571 --> 00:27:44,813
And I saw out of
the corner of my eye
597
00:27:44,837 --> 00:27:47,642
this robot pet
598
00:27:47,666 --> 00:27:50,906
that was so popular that year.
599
00:27:50,930 --> 00:27:54,213
I mean, it was sold
out everywhere.
600
00:27:54,237 --> 00:27:57,390
And then there it was.
601
00:27:57,414 --> 00:28:02,047
Magically, right in front of me.
602
00:28:02,071 --> 00:28:05,007
So, I grabbed David's hand,
603
00:28:05,031 --> 00:28:07,990
and we walked over
to where they were.
604
00:28:09,688 --> 00:28:13,450
I remember that the aisle
605
00:28:13,474 --> 00:28:17,976
was so very crowded.
606
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,284
People and shopping carts
607
00:28:21,308 --> 00:28:24,026
and winter clothes.
608
00:28:25,442 --> 00:28:28,402
It seems so stupid now.
609
00:28:30,796 --> 00:28:32,319
Anyway.
610
00:28:34,364 --> 00:28:36,038
I grabbed the toy,
611
00:28:36,062 --> 00:28:38,388
and then I realized that I
612
00:28:38,412 --> 00:28:40,912
I didn't want David to see it.
613
00:28:40,936 --> 00:28:42,914
I didn't want him to know
614
00:28:42,938 --> 00:28:47,353
that Mommy was getting
him the toy and not Santa.
615
00:28:47,377 --> 00:28:51,009
So I switched
hands for a second.
616
00:28:51,033 --> 00:28:53,011
And...
617
00:28:53,035 --> 00:28:55,298
And then I looked down.
618
00:29:00,826 --> 00:29:03,002
He wasn't there.
619
00:29:04,133 --> 00:29:07,112
You can figure out the rest.
620
00:29:07,136 --> 00:29:09,462
It was, like, me, my husband,
621
00:29:09,486 --> 00:29:13,815
the police... we
were all over that mall
622
00:29:13,839 --> 00:29:16,469
until they locked the doors
623
00:29:16,493 --> 00:29:19,453
and made us leave.
624
00:29:22,543 --> 00:29:25,502
He was just
625
00:29:26,982 --> 00:29:29,506
gone.
626
00:29:30,333 --> 00:29:32,553
I'm so sorry.
627
00:29:33,336 --> 00:29:35,837
I was desperate,
628
00:29:35,861 --> 00:29:37,926
so
629
00:29:37,950 --> 00:29:39,841
I went to the media.
630
00:29:39,865 --> 00:29:42,191
I didn't even know
what the media was.
631
00:29:42,215 --> 00:29:44,454
But
632
00:29:44,478 --> 00:29:48,066
I wanted David's picture
633
00:29:48,090 --> 00:29:51,722
and his name everywhere.
634
00:29:51,746 --> 00:29:56,490
You know, just in case
somebody saw him.
635
00:29:57,273 --> 00:30:01,253
And I-I wouldn't let up.
636
00:30:01,277 --> 00:30:04,169
Not even after my husband
637
00:30:04,193 --> 00:30:06,717
stopped speaking to me.
638
00:30:08,502 --> 00:30:11,176
Not even after he left me.
639
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,985
But.
640
00:30:15,509 --> 00:30:19,469
I just couldn't stop.
641
00:30:23,386 --> 00:30:25,625
My son's
642
00:30:25,649 --> 00:30:30,021
body washed up on the
shore of the Patoka Lake
643
00:30:30,045 --> 00:30:32,154
a few weeks later.
644
00:30:32,178 --> 00:30:34,286
And
645
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:37,986
I guess everyone figured
646
00:30:38,010 --> 00:30:40,055
that was that.
647
00:30:43,058 --> 00:30:45,820
But not for me.
648
00:30:45,844 --> 00:30:49,736
I went everywhere
there was a microphone.
649
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,391
Radio stations.
650
00:30:52,415 --> 00:30:53,740
Colleges.
651
00:30:53,764 --> 00:30:57,788
I just... I kept pushing
652
00:30:57,812 --> 00:31:01,574
because I wanted the scalp
653
00:31:01,598 --> 00:31:05,317
of the man who kidnapped
654
00:31:05,341 --> 00:31:08,431
my son and murdered him.
655
00:31:10,259 --> 00:31:12,044
And then, finally.
656
00:31:14,611 --> 00:31:16,875
I got it.
657
00:31:21,096 --> 00:31:22,944
The police found him.
658
00:31:22,968 --> 00:31:25,729
'Cause, you know, they
never dared stop looking
659
00:31:25,753 --> 00:31:29,452
'cause I was screaming
from the rooftops.
660
00:31:32,281 --> 00:31:35,023
I got justice.
661
00:31:39,332 --> 00:31:41,812
I speak for the dead.
662
00:31:43,553 --> 00:31:46,687
Like my son.
663
00:31:51,561 --> 00:31:53,955
And like Kaylee.
664
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:58,980
Told you I knew
what I was doing.
665
00:31:59,004 --> 00:32:01,025
That was quite a
piece of testimony.
666
00:32:01,049 --> 00:32:02,790
Any of it true?
667
00:32:03,747 --> 00:32:05,967
Yeah, step on in.
Close the door?
668
00:32:09,014 --> 00:32:13,298
I'm here to inform you that
WNN is withdrawing from the case.
669
00:32:13,322 --> 00:32:14,909
Excuse me?
670
00:32:14,933 --> 00:32:16,780
Also that our lawyers are on
the phone with your lawyers
671
00:32:16,804 --> 00:32:17,912
negotiating the dissolution
672
00:32:17,936 --> 00:32:19,261
of your contract
with our network.
673
00:32:19,285 --> 00:32:21,654
As of now, you are
off the air, Madeline.
674
00:32:21,678 --> 00:32:23,874
What's going on?
675
00:32:23,898 --> 00:32:25,571
The man who killed Kaylee?
676
00:32:25,595 --> 00:32:27,095
They caught him
about an hour ago.
677
00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:28,574
Confessed to everything.
678
00:32:28,598 --> 00:32:29,880
What are you talking about?
679
00:32:29,904 --> 00:32:31,838
The man who killed
Kaylee was her stepfather.
680
00:32:31,862 --> 00:32:33,492
No, he wasn't.
681
00:32:33,516 --> 00:32:36,278
Look, the word is starting to
get out, and people are starting
682
00:32:36,302 --> 00:32:37,627
to gather in front
of the courthouse.
683
00:32:37,651 --> 00:32:38,976
They're looking for you.
684
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,108
So I'd arrange for
some extra security
685
00:32:40,132 --> 00:32:43,004
to get her out of here? Yeah?
686
00:32:51,273 --> 00:32:52,947
The killer was a man
named Wayne Dixon.
687
00:32:52,971 --> 00:32:54,252
He was working
a construction job
688
00:32:54,276 --> 00:32:56,254
down the street from
the Brennan home.
689
00:32:56,278 --> 00:32:59,997
Dixon had apparently targeted
Kaylee a few weeks earlier.
690
00:33:00,021 --> 00:33:01,303
He was watching the house
691
00:33:01,327 --> 00:33:03,087
and saw Jeremy
ride away on his bike.
692
00:33:03,111 --> 00:33:04,828
Dixon claims he
approached the house,
693
00:33:04,852 --> 00:33:06,656
said he was a friend
of Kaylee's dad,
694
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,832
and she let him in,
695
00:33:08,856 --> 00:33:11,661
which is why there is no
evidence of forced entry.
696
00:33:11,685 --> 00:33:14,055
Is there anything in there
697
00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:15,839
about how the police knew
698
00:33:15,863 --> 00:33:17,319
to question Dixon
in the first place?
699
00:33:17,343 --> 00:33:19,190
How did he come
to their attention?
700
00:33:19,214 --> 00:33:21,845
Well, according to
this, they got a tip.
701
00:33:21,869 --> 00:33:24,456
Dixon's girlfriend. Why?
702
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,545
We're in court at 11:00.
703
00:33:26,569 --> 00:33:29,200
See if you can
find the girlfriend.
704
00:33:29,224 --> 00:33:31,550
See if you can get her
on the phone with me.
705
00:33:31,574 --> 00:33:34,205
Ms. James, stacked
all the boxes downstairs
706
00:33:34,229 --> 00:33:35,554
in that courtroom
like you told me.
707
00:33:35,578 --> 00:33:37,426
Thanks so much
for all your help.
708
00:33:37,450 --> 00:33:39,471
And I almost forgot. The
person who helped pack up
709
00:33:39,495 --> 00:33:42,257
your dad's things wanted
me to give you this.
710
00:33:42,281 --> 00:33:43,432
Thanks.
711
00:33:43,456 --> 00:33:45,501
Have a great day.
712
00:33:46,415 --> 00:33:48,828
Good morning, Ms. Cowley.
713
00:33:48,852 --> 00:33:52,963
Now, could you please
tell the court what it was
714
00:33:52,987 --> 00:33:54,225
that prompted you
to call the police
715
00:33:54,249 --> 00:33:55,922
on your boyfriend Wayne Dixon?
716
00:33:55,946 --> 00:33:57,446
Yeah, I-I don't know.
717
00:33:57,470 --> 00:34:01,232
Um, Wayne was working
construction in Westchester,
718
00:34:01,256 --> 00:34:04,061
and, since he started,
719
00:34:04,085 --> 00:34:06,890
he just seemed
different, distant,
720
00:34:06,914 --> 00:34:08,761
you know, like he
was preoccupied
721
00:34:08,785 --> 00:34:11,025
with something or-or someone.
722
00:34:11,049 --> 00:34:13,462
And then, a few nights later,
723
00:34:13,486 --> 00:34:17,248
I found him out back,
burning his clothes.
724
00:34:17,272 --> 00:34:20,512
I mean, why would
you burn your clothes?
725
00:34:20,536 --> 00:34:24,299
He said he got some type of
toxic chemical on them at work.
726
00:34:24,323 --> 00:34:28,129
But he does framing
and drywall. I-I don't know.
727
00:34:28,153 --> 00:34:30,392
It just... it didn't
seem right to me.
728
00:34:30,416 --> 00:34:32,742
Now, is that when
you phoned the police?
729
00:34:32,766 --> 00:34:36,137
No, no, not yet.
730
00:34:36,161 --> 00:34:41,229
Um, what really got me
thinking was, all of a sudden,
731
00:34:41,253 --> 00:34:43,796
he wanted to start watching
Madeline McBride's show
732
00:34:43,820 --> 00:34:45,102
with me all of a sudden.
733
00:34:45,126 --> 00:34:47,626
Like, he never wanted
to watch that show before.
734
00:34:47,650 --> 00:34:50,760
He did not like her.
735
00:34:50,784 --> 00:34:52,240
No offense.
736
00:34:52,264 --> 00:34:54,981
I'm sorry. I-I love you, and
I love your show so much.
737
00:34:55,005 --> 00:34:56,679
Go,
738
00:34:56,703 --> 00:34:58,159
Quasimodo.Um...
739
00:34:58,183 --> 00:35:01,031
So, anyway, he started
watching it with me.
740
00:35:01,055 --> 00:35:03,425
And whenever she'd
bring up the case,
741
00:35:03,449 --> 00:35:07,037
he'd always say how he was
working in that neighborhood
742
00:35:07,061 --> 00:35:10,736
and he knew the house that
she was talking about, and...
743
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,348
And did you know your
boyfriend was interested
744
00:35:13,372 --> 00:35:15,654
in prepubescent girls?
745
00:35:15,678 --> 00:35:18,203
I don't know.
746
00:35:19,552 --> 00:35:21,815
We never talked about it.
747
00:35:24,165 --> 00:35:29,190
But... whenever we were
at the beach or at the park.
748
00:35:31,085 --> 00:35:33,566
I thought I always
saw him looking.
749
00:35:35,568 --> 00:35:38,745
Then I thought maybe
it was just in my mind.
750
00:35:39,876 --> 00:35:42,159
And what did you tell the
police when you called them?
751
00:35:42,183 --> 00:35:43,987
I knew from her show
752
00:35:44,011 --> 00:35:47,512
that Kaylee had DNA on
her that hadn't been identified.
753
00:35:47,536 --> 00:35:51,299
So, I called them, and I
offered Wayne's hairbrush.
754
00:35:51,323 --> 00:35:53,823
And how did you know to do that?
755
00:35:53,847 --> 00:35:55,303
From her show.
756
00:35:55,327 --> 00:35:58,219
She talked about how DNA
from a hairbrush caught a killer
757
00:35:58,243 --> 00:36:01,115
she was profiling a
couple years back.
758
00:36:01,942 --> 00:36:06,314
Well, it's lucky you
watched her show.
759
00:36:06,338 --> 00:36:07,880
Did you know that tips
760
00:36:07,904 --> 00:36:11,014
from Ms. McBride's
viewers have helped
761
00:36:11,038 --> 00:36:13,756
in solving over
one hundred cases
762
00:36:13,780 --> 00:36:16,150
since the show first aired?
763
00:36:16,174 --> 00:36:18,239
No.
764
00:36:18,263 --> 00:36:20,415
I just think she's really smart
765
00:36:20,439 --> 00:36:22,634
and cool.
766
00:36:22,658 --> 00:36:26,053
Just really good at her job.
767
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:27,880
Sanctuary.
768
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:49,661
"Dear Danny James, you don't
know me, but my name is Devon.
769
00:36:49,685 --> 00:36:53,012
"Some years ago, I
got to know your father.
770
00:36:53,036 --> 00:36:56,015
"We met and fell
in love in New York,
771
00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:58,453
"and eventually, I convinced him
772
00:36:58,477 --> 00:37:02,544
"to come live with me in
Louisiana where I'm from.
773
00:37:02,568 --> 00:37:07,070
"I did not know at the time
about you or your mother.
774
00:37:07,094 --> 00:37:11,727
"Three months after we
settled down in Louisiana,
775
00:37:11,751 --> 00:37:15,165
"your father confessed to
me about the family he had left.
776
00:37:15,189 --> 00:37:18,168
"Told me that he could
no longer bear the guilt"
777
00:37:18,192 --> 00:37:20,910
"and needed to go back to you."
778
00:37:20,934 --> 00:37:24,435
"I did not stand in his way."
779
00:37:24,459 --> 00:37:27,133
"He told me when
he got to New York,"
780
00:37:27,157 --> 00:37:29,353
"your mother refused
to speak to him."
781
00:37:29,377 --> 00:37:32,051
"Warned him that if he tried
to make contact with you"
782
00:37:32,075 --> 00:37:34,426
"that she would kill him."
783
00:37:36,428 --> 00:37:38,710
"He told me he found
a small apartment
784
00:37:38,734 --> 00:37:41,060
"and got a job working
teaching physical education
785
00:37:41,084 --> 00:37:42,932
"at an art school.
786
00:37:42,956 --> 00:37:46,109
"Even taught himself to sketch.
787
00:37:46,133 --> 00:37:49,547
"Over the years he tried
to build up the courage
788
00:37:49,571 --> 00:37:51,593
"to reach out to you,
789
00:37:51,617 --> 00:37:54,073
"but he told me he
was so filled with guilt
790
00:37:54,097 --> 00:37:56,554
"and shame for leaving you,
791
00:37:56,578 --> 00:37:58,339
"he just couldn't do it.
792
00:37:58,363 --> 00:38:03,082
"And then one day, he
was looking out his window,
793
00:38:03,106 --> 00:38:04,606
"and there you were.
794
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:06,129
"Walking by.
795
00:38:06,153 --> 00:38:07,348
"He figured you were
probably making your way home
796
00:38:07,372 --> 00:38:09,175
"from the police academy.
797
00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:13,049
"He said he saw you maybe
ten or 20 times from that window,"
798
00:38:13,073 --> 00:38:14,814
"but then, no more."
799
00:38:16,206 --> 00:38:18,968
"I didn't hear from your
father again for many years."
800
00:38:18,992 --> 00:38:22,232
"And then about three
weeks ago, he called"
801
00:38:22,256 --> 00:38:24,626
"to tell me he was very sick."
802
00:38:24,650 --> 00:38:27,455
"I flew to New York,
but by the time"
803
00:38:27,479 --> 00:38:29,500
"I got there he was
already in the hospital."
804
00:38:29,524 --> 00:38:34,636
So I'm writing to let you
know what he told me.
805
00:38:34,660 --> 00:38:38,272
"That he wanted you to
know he was terribly sorry.
806
00:38:39,186 --> 00:38:41,164
"And he wanted you to know
807
00:38:41,188 --> 00:38:43,364
he loved you."
808
00:38:53,374 --> 00:38:57,136
Jeremy Brennan's suicide is
809
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,617
undeniably tragic.
810
00:38:59,641 --> 00:39:02,577
And no one will ever
know with certainty
811
00:39:02,601 --> 00:39:05,517
why he decided
to take his own life.
812
00:39:06,909 --> 00:39:09,695
But you know what we
do know with certainty?
813
00:39:10,260 --> 00:39:12,978
That Kaylee's killer was caught.
814
00:39:13,002 --> 00:39:15,981
And that's, at
least in part, due
815
00:39:16,005 --> 00:39:18,201
to Madeline McBride,
816
00:39:18,225 --> 00:39:21,359
for keeping
Kaylee's story alive.
817
00:39:22,316 --> 00:39:25,643
But she was only able to do it
818
00:39:25,667 --> 00:39:29,517
because her freedom of
speech allowed her to do it.
819
00:39:29,541 --> 00:39:32,128
See, that's the tricky thing
about freedom of speech.
820
00:39:32,152 --> 00:39:33,956
It-it cuts both ways.
821
00:39:33,980 --> 00:39:36,872
See, people have the freedom
822
00:39:36,896 --> 00:39:40,179
to say whatever it
is they want to say.
823
00:39:40,203 --> 00:39:43,095
And everyone else
has the freedom,
824
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:45,707
not to listen, not to believe
825
00:39:45,731 --> 00:39:47,491
and to do their own research
826
00:39:47,515 --> 00:39:49,841
and come up with
their own conclusions.
827
00:39:49,865 --> 00:39:52,061
I mean, that's what
Carla Cowley did.
828
00:39:52,085 --> 00:39:53,497
You heard her.
829
00:39:53,521 --> 00:39:55,586
She loved that woman.
830
00:39:55,610 --> 00:39:58,067
But she did not let the fact
831
00:39:58,091 --> 00:40:00,374
that for over a month, she heard
832
00:40:00,398 --> 00:40:03,899
Madeline McBride, who
thought that Jeremy Brennan
833
00:40:03,923 --> 00:40:05,335
probably committed the murder,
834
00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:07,293
stop her from
picking up the phone
835
00:40:07,317 --> 00:40:09,861
and calling the police
when she was convinced
836
00:40:09,885 --> 00:40:12,516
my client was mistaken.
837
00:40:12,540 --> 00:40:14,475
Look, I
838
00:40:14,499 --> 00:40:16,215
I get it.
839
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,479
Okay? I get it. She was
840
00:40:18,503 --> 00:40:19,871
she was wrong.
841
00:40:19,895 --> 00:40:21,220
Wrong on the facts.
842
00:40:21,244 --> 00:40:23,005
Unnecessarily harsh.
843
00:40:23,029 --> 00:40:25,050
And there were times
I felt that she took
844
00:40:25,074 --> 00:40:27,183
way too much pleasure
845
00:40:27,207 --> 00:40:30,471
in her ongoing campaign
against Jeremy Brennan.
846
00:40:31,690 --> 00:40:33,319
But you know what?
847
00:40:33,343 --> 00:40:36,540
That is not against the law.
848
00:40:36,564 --> 00:40:39,064
And the problem is
849
00:40:39,088 --> 00:40:41,197
if you don't stand up
850
00:40:41,221 --> 00:40:44,243
for the people you don't
necessarily agree with
851
00:40:44,267 --> 00:40:46,376
when someone is
trying to silence them,
852
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,032
then there might not be
the right to free speech left
853
00:40:50,056 --> 00:40:53,688
when they go after the
people you do agree with.
854
00:40:53,712 --> 00:40:56,865
In the matter ofTracy Brennan v.
855
00:40:56,889 --> 00:40:58,736
Madeline McBrideand the claim
856
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,391
of intentional infliction
of emotional distress
857
00:41:01,415 --> 00:41:04,350
we, the jury, find
Madeline McBride
858
00:41:04,374 --> 00:41:06,115
liable.
859
00:41:08,161 --> 00:41:10,531
And we award Tracy
Brennan damages
860
00:41:10,555 --> 00:41:13,601
in the amount of two and
one half million dollars.
861
00:41:15,342 --> 00:41:16,928
Ladies and
gentlemen of the jury,
862
00:41:16,952 --> 00:41:18,800
thank you for your service.
863
00:41:18,824 --> 00:41:21,304
Court is adjourned.
864
00:41:24,307 --> 00:41:27,286
Ms. McBride. I'm very sorry.
865
00:41:27,310 --> 00:41:30,226
Don't be, you did your best.
866
00:41:32,968 --> 00:41:34,555
But you lost your job.
867
00:41:34,579 --> 00:41:36,470
You're about to get a
boatload of bad publicity.
868
00:41:36,494 --> 00:41:39,037
And today is gonna cost you
two and a half million dollars.
869
00:41:39,061 --> 00:41:41,126
Help me understand.
870
00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:43,215
You seem to have made your peace
871
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,479
with this rather quickly.
872
00:41:45,503 --> 00:41:47,698
Well, two and a half million?
873
00:41:47,722 --> 00:41:51,180
That's why God created
personal liability insurance.
874
00:41:51,204 --> 00:41:54,575
And the boatload of publicity?
875
00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:56,490
I love it.
876
00:41:56,514 --> 00:41:58,056
Good or bad,
877
00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,797
it keeps me in the zeitgeist.
878
00:41:59,821 --> 00:42:02,496
And it will come in handy
879
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,237
when I sit down
to cut my new deal.
880
00:42:05,261 --> 00:42:07,655
A new deal?
881
00:42:10,179 --> 00:42:12,549
See, people like me?
882
00:42:12,573 --> 00:42:14,769
People who have
the courage to say
883
00:42:14,793 --> 00:42:18,163
what everyone else is
thinking even if we're wrong?
884
00:42:18,187 --> 00:42:21,863
We always draw a big crowd.
885
00:42:21,887 --> 00:42:24,082
And trust me,
886
00:42:24,106 --> 00:42:26,432
after today
887
00:42:26,456 --> 00:42:28,913
the crowd will only be bigger?
888
00:42:28,937 --> 00:42:31,437
Thank you, gentlemen.
889
00:42:31,461 --> 00:42:32,821
Don't forget to
send me your bill.
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