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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,313 --> 00:00:03,188 This is Justice in America. 2 00:00:03,272 --> 00:00:05,190 And I'm Madeline McBride. 3 00:00:05,274 --> 00:00:08,498 It has been 73 days since the murder 4 00:00:08,582 --> 00:00:10,239 of 11-year-old Kaylee Nagle. 5 00:00:10,323 --> 00:00:13,851 Kaylee was found sexually assaulted and stabbed to death 6 00:00:13,935 --> 00:00:15,853 in her Westchester, New York home. 7 00:00:15,937 --> 00:00:18,377 And while the police have yet to make an arrest, 8 00:00:18,461 --> 00:00:20,815 there is one suspect from whom 9 00:00:20,899 --> 00:00:22,251 we never hear. 10 00:00:22,335 --> 00:00:24,514 I'm talking about Kaylee's stepfather, 11 00:00:24,598 --> 00:00:26,516 Jeremy Brennan. 12 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:28,910 According to Jeremy's statement to the police, 13 00:00:28,994 --> 00:00:30,781 he picked up Kaylee after school 14 00:00:30,865 --> 00:00:33,187 at soccer practice and returned home. 15 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,849 And while Kaylee's mother was at work, 16 00:00:35,934 --> 00:00:38,570 Jeremy claims he went on a bike ride 17 00:00:38,682 --> 00:00:41,312 and returned less than an hour later to find 18 00:00:41,406 --> 00:00:44,640 his stepdaughter dead on the kitchen floor, 19 00:00:45,289 --> 00:00:47,750 her soccer jersey ripped open, 20 00:00:47,937 --> 00:00:50,521 her shorts pulled down to her ankles, 21 00:00:50,625 --> 00:00:52,042 and a kitchen knife 22 00:00:52,127 --> 00:00:54,390 buried in her chest. 23 00:00:55,228 --> 00:00:58,178 Well, apparently, the police are running out of ways 24 00:00:58,263 --> 00:01:00,466 to get this man to talk, and that is why 25 00:01:00,551 --> 00:01:04,746 I am asking you, for the 22nd night in a row, 26 00:01:04,831 --> 00:01:09,310 to let Jeremy Brennan know that you need to hear from him. 27 00:01:09,470 --> 00:01:11,313 You want answers. 28 00:01:11,398 --> 00:01:13,800 And he can't hide! 29 00:01:13,884 --> 00:01:15,204 Let's keep up the pressure. 30 00:01:15,289 --> 00:01:17,773 Let's bombard this man with our tweets. 31 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,667 Let's demand that he come forward 32 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,060 and answer some questions. 33 00:01:22,231 --> 00:01:25,063 @JeremyBrennanRealty. 34 00:01:25,211 --> 00:01:29,781 ♪ StopHidingJeremy. 35 00:01:32,424 --> 00:01:34,212 Dr. Bull, Mr. Colón. 36 00:01:34,470 --> 00:01:36,127 I appreciate you braving the pandemic 37 00:01:36,211 --> 00:01:37,345 to meet me this morning. 38 00:01:37,429 --> 00:01:38,651 For the record, I get tested every day. 39 00:01:38,735 --> 00:01:40,087 The room is disinfected every night. 40 00:01:40,171 --> 00:01:41,567 So feel free to leave your masks on 41 00:01:41,651 --> 00:01:43,786 or take them off as you see fit. 42 00:01:43,870 --> 00:01:45,555 You gentlemen know why you're here? 43 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,563 I'm guessing it's because 44 00:01:47,648 --> 00:01:49,392 you have a Madeline McBride problem. 45 00:01:49,572 --> 00:01:51,774 She's being sued by that family of the little girl 46 00:01:51,859 --> 00:01:53,899 who was murdered. And they want her 47 00:01:53,984 --> 00:01:57,538 to stop encouraging her viewers to harass the stepfather 48 00:01:57,623 --> 00:01:59,243 on social media. 49 00:01:59,364 --> 00:02:00,915 Please. 50 00:02:02,548 --> 00:02:05,602 Well, you know... this Madeline McBride issue. 51 00:02:05,813 --> 00:02:07,430 She's picking a fight with someone who, 52 00:02:07,530 --> 00:02:09,376 who might be the guilty party, but also someone 53 00:02:09,461 --> 00:02:11,771 who could certainly be perceived as the victim, 54 00:02:11,855 --> 00:02:13,063 in that his stepdaughter was 55 00:02:13,148 --> 00:02:14,936 the person who died. 56 00:02:15,021 --> 00:02:16,764 Can't pay them off... They don't want money. 57 00:02:17,077 --> 00:02:18,915 Can't ask Madeline to stop what she's doing 58 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,179 without doing irreparable harm to her brand, 59 00:02:21,264 --> 00:02:22,877 which, as you know, is 60 00:02:22,962 --> 00:02:24,576 the tough-talking, acerbic, 61 00:02:24,726 --> 00:02:26,644 defender of those denied justice. 62 00:02:26,751 --> 00:02:28,234 Yada, yada, yada. Long story short, 63 00:02:28,319 --> 00:02:30,802 we're going to court, whether we want to or not. 64 00:02:30,917 --> 00:02:32,444 So you think the jury 65 00:02:32,528 --> 00:02:35,118 just might side with the family of the dead girl? 66 00:02:36,321 --> 00:02:37,492 Our whole business is based 67 00:02:37,576 --> 00:02:39,190 on the assumption that the First Amendment gives 68 00:02:39,274 --> 00:02:41,540 our air personalities the right to express themselves 69 00:02:41,624 --> 00:02:43,194 without fear of retribution. 70 00:02:43,278 --> 00:02:44,936 And I don't want to give the courts or a jury 71 00:02:45,020 --> 00:02:46,936 any reason to second-guess that. 72 00:02:47,481 --> 00:02:49,965 I'd just love to shut this down sooner rather than later. 73 00:02:50,258 --> 00:02:52,751 If you two were inclined to lead the fight for us... 74 00:02:52,999 --> 00:02:55,316 I'd certainly make it worth your while. 75 00:02:55,638 --> 00:02:57,637 You ever watch that lady's show? 76 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,231 I have caught a little of it here and there. 77 00:03:00,316 --> 00:03:02,419 It's hard to believe that's what the founding fathers 78 00:03:02,504 --> 00:03:05,213 had in mind when they were cooking up the Constitution. 79 00:03:06,518 --> 00:03:08,871 Are you trying to tell me you'd rather not be involved? 80 00:03:08,955 --> 00:03:12,278 Madeline McBride is part of this culture of evisceration 81 00:03:12,363 --> 00:03:14,747 that takes over cable television every night. 82 00:03:14,831 --> 00:03:17,750 Whether it's politics or celebrity stalking 83 00:03:17,834 --> 00:03:20,144 or true crime, it's just... 84 00:03:20,228 --> 00:03:21,362 it's just mean, man. 85 00:03:21,446 --> 00:03:23,474 Well, it might be mean, but Madeline McBride 86 00:03:23,559 --> 00:03:26,280 and WNN are on the right side of this thing legally. 87 00:03:26,364 --> 00:03:27,499 It's the First Amendment. 88 00:03:27,583 --> 00:03:29,207 And the problem is... 89 00:03:29,434 --> 00:03:31,956 if you don't stand up for the people you don't agree with 90 00:03:32,041 --> 00:03:33,942 when they're being silenced, there might not be 91 00:03:34,027 --> 00:03:36,310 a right to free speech when they come after 92 00:03:36,395 --> 00:03:38,191 the people that you do agree with. 93 00:03:38,847 --> 00:03:41,294 Right? No less a figure than George Washington said, 94 00:03:41,387 --> 00:03:44,150 "If freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent 95 00:03:44,235 --> 00:03:46,933 we may be led like sheep to the slaughter." 96 00:03:47,908 --> 00:03:50,895 Your Honor, the law of the state of New York 97 00:03:50,980 --> 00:03:54,067 is very clear... an injunction can only be granted 98 00:03:54,152 --> 00:03:56,199 if there's proof that the party in question 99 00:03:56,284 --> 00:03:58,355 is doing irreparable harm. 100 00:03:58,542 --> 00:04:01,082 Counsel is correct on that point. 101 00:04:01,167 --> 00:04:03,274 Is your client suffering irreparable harm? 102 00:04:03,358 --> 00:04:05,406 Without question, Your Honor. 103 00:04:05,490 --> 00:04:09,542 Jeremy Brennan is suffering indescribable mental anguish 104 00:04:09,636 --> 00:04:12,512 because of Madeline McBride's relentless 105 00:04:12,597 --> 00:04:15,082 and very public attacks. 106 00:04:15,167 --> 00:04:17,592 To be clear, she's accusing 107 00:04:17,676 --> 00:04:20,508 my client of the murder of his stepdaughter 108 00:04:20,592 --> 00:04:23,294 on national television, virtually every night 109 00:04:23,378 --> 00:04:24,860 for over a month now. 110 00:04:24,944 --> 00:04:27,689 All this while he and his wife 111 00:04:27,773 --> 00:04:30,973 are dealing with the anguish of having lost 112 00:04:31,058 --> 00:04:32,781 their only child in... 113 00:04:32,865 --> 00:04:36,051 as gruesome and savage 114 00:04:36,136 --> 00:04:37,612 a rape and murder 115 00:04:37,696 --> 00:04:39,571 as I can ever recall. 116 00:04:39,995 --> 00:04:42,113 She is using her bully pulpit 117 00:04:42,198 --> 00:04:44,402 to urge her viewers 118 00:04:44,486 --> 00:04:47,198 to call him out via social media. 119 00:04:47,424 --> 00:04:49,785 My client receives over a thousand 120 00:04:49,870 --> 00:04:52,145 tweets a day... All of them hostile, 121 00:04:52,230 --> 00:04:54,629 many of them threatening... And all of them mention 122 00:04:54,713 --> 00:04:57,770 Ms. McBride and her program by name. 123 00:04:57,855 --> 00:05:00,848 Furthermore, Mr. Brennan is a real estate agent. 124 00:05:00,933 --> 00:05:04,676 His name... is an integral part of his business. 125 00:05:04,761 --> 00:05:07,773 Bus benches with his name and photo 126 00:05:07,857 --> 00:05:10,731 are being defaced with the words "pedophile" 127 00:05:10,816 --> 00:05:12,038 and "killer." 128 00:05:12,122 --> 00:05:14,606 Mr. Brennan can't even go out in public anymore. 129 00:05:14,855 --> 00:05:16,879 And let's start with the fact 130 00:05:16,964 --> 00:05:18,886 that my client has never 131 00:05:19,058 --> 00:05:21,308 been arrested or charged 132 00:05:21,407 --> 00:05:24,153 with any crime. None. 133 00:05:24,238 --> 00:05:26,746 Furthermore, there is clear evidence 134 00:05:26,831 --> 00:05:28,847 that someone else is the killer. 135 00:05:28,941 --> 00:05:32,450 There was unidentified DNA and skin cells 136 00:05:32,534 --> 00:05:35,061 present under Kaylee's fingernails. 137 00:05:35,145 --> 00:05:38,456 Something Ms. McBride doesn't even mention on her show. 138 00:05:38,540 --> 00:05:41,840 Your Honor, the DNA found underneath the victim's 139 00:05:41,925 --> 00:05:44,810 fingernails could come from anyone, anywhere. 140 00:05:44,894 --> 00:05:46,527 Possibly even... 141 00:05:46,612 --> 00:05:48,748 one of her friends on the soccer field. 142 00:05:49,072 --> 00:05:50,990 And isn't this ultimately 143 00:05:51,074 --> 00:05:52,905 about the First Amendment? 144 00:05:52,989 --> 00:05:56,169 No less a figure than George Washington declared, 145 00:05:56,253 --> 00:05:59,041 "If freedom of speech is taken away, 146 00:05:59,198 --> 00:06:01,392 "then dumb and silent, 147 00:06:01,476 --> 00:06:04,363 we may be led like sheep to the slaughter." 148 00:06:04,448 --> 00:06:06,948 Mr. Colón knows good and well 149 00:06:07,093 --> 00:06:08,968 that not all speech 150 00:06:09,114 --> 00:06:11,042 is protected by the First Amendment. 151 00:06:11,137 --> 00:06:13,792 The Supreme Court has been very clear on that. 152 00:06:13,877 --> 00:06:16,011 There's a reason you can't yell fire 153 00:06:16,273 --> 00:06:17,698 in a crowded theater. 154 00:06:17,783 --> 00:06:21,309 Respectfully, Your Honor, you can if there's smoke. 155 00:06:22,354 --> 00:06:24,969 Personally, going forward, I would encourage 156 00:06:25,054 --> 00:06:27,527 Ms. McBride to show a degree of sensitivity 157 00:06:27,660 --> 00:06:30,927 to Mr. Brennan, who, as Mr. Godford points out, 158 00:06:31,019 --> 00:06:34,542 has not even been charged with a crime at this point. 159 00:06:34,627 --> 00:06:37,073 However, I am bound by the State of New York 160 00:06:37,158 --> 00:06:39,729 as well as the United States' Constitution. 161 00:06:39,814 --> 00:06:42,907 Madeline McBride has a guaranteed First Amendment right 162 00:06:42,992 --> 00:06:44,097 to state her opinion. 163 00:06:44,182 --> 00:06:47,537 Therefore, I am denying the request for an injunction. 164 00:06:47,818 --> 00:06:49,950 Court dismissed. 165 00:06:56,101 --> 00:06:57,889 Nice job, gentlemen. 166 00:06:57,982 --> 00:06:59,894 Uh... I told you we were in good hands. 167 00:06:59,986 --> 00:07:02,818 That George Washington quote was very moving. 168 00:07:03,856 --> 00:07:06,427 We barely said hello, but I'm very grateful 169 00:07:06,543 --> 00:07:08,441 for what you did here today. 170 00:07:08,526 --> 00:07:10,487 And... 171 00:07:11,006 --> 00:07:13,206 I know that Kaylee is, too. 172 00:07:24,745 --> 00:07:26,183 Hi, hi, sorry! 173 00:07:26,343 --> 00:07:27,695 Forgive me for ambushing you. 174 00:07:27,779 --> 00:07:29,218 It's just that your place was locked, but then... 175 00:07:29,302 --> 00:07:31,090 the guard downstairs recognized me 176 00:07:31,174 --> 00:07:33,440 and he said that I could wait here for you, 177 00:07:33,524 --> 00:07:34,833 so... 178 00:07:35,613 --> 00:07:37,444 What can I do for you, Ms. McBride? 179 00:07:39,557 --> 00:07:42,120 I got a phone call about an hour ago. 180 00:07:42,808 --> 00:07:46,279 Jeremy Brennan, Kaylee Nagle's stepfather, 181 00:07:46,464 --> 00:07:48,509 he... 182 00:07:49,886 --> 00:07:52,507 ...he killed himself last night. 183 00:08:00,556 --> 00:08:02,275 *BULL (2016)* Season 05 Episode 09 184 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,360 Episode Title: "The Bad Client" Aired on: February 22, 2021 185 00:08:13,283 --> 00:08:14,720 Hello? 186 00:08:15,985 --> 00:08:17,987 Yes, this is she. 187 00:08:18,548 --> 00:08:21,243 Sorry, what hospital is this? 188 00:08:22,509 --> 00:08:24,400 Oh, no, no, there must be some mistake. 189 00:08:24,485 --> 00:08:27,345 You're, like, three blocks away from me. 190 00:08:27,610 --> 00:08:29,085 My father lives in Louisiana. 191 00:08:29,190 --> 00:08:31,453 Has for the last 15 years. 192 00:08:33,869 --> 00:08:35,570 Wait, he what? 193 00:08:35,654 --> 00:08:37,354 Tonight? 194 00:08:37,642 --> 00:08:40,431 Day 42... no response 195 00:08:40,603 --> 00:08:42,402 from Jeremy Brennan or his attorneys 196 00:08:42,486 --> 00:08:45,290 regarding his availability or willingness 197 00:08:45,446 --> 00:08:46,929 to appear on this show. 198 00:08:47,013 --> 00:08:49,322 No response from Westchester PD 199 00:08:49,406 --> 00:08:51,759 as to what their plans are moving forward 200 00:08:51,860 --> 00:08:53,588 in regards to the Kaylee Nagle case. 201 00:08:53,962 --> 00:08:55,728 No response from the mayor. 202 00:08:55,813 --> 00:08:58,329 No response from the county supervisor. 203 00:08:58,571 --> 00:09:01,857 And that is why I've applied for a permit 204 00:09:01,941 --> 00:09:03,685 for an organized rally across the street 205 00:09:03,769 --> 00:09:05,034 from the Brennan home. 206 00:09:05,118 --> 00:09:08,001 The scene of Kaylee's death. 207 00:09:08,086 --> 00:09:09,970 And if you live in the tri-state area, 208 00:09:10,157 --> 00:09:12,258 I do hope that you will come down and join me 209 00:09:12,342 --> 00:09:15,782 as we let the world know that we have some questions. 210 00:09:15,954 --> 00:09:17,960 And we want some answers! 211 00:09:18,044 --> 00:09:19,918 Our client concluded her broadcast, 212 00:09:20,002 --> 00:09:22,225 this broadcast, at 9:59. 213 00:09:22,309 --> 00:09:25,704 According to the Brennan cable box, the program was viewed 214 00:09:25,789 --> 00:09:27,750 in both the bedroom and the family room. 215 00:09:27,835 --> 00:09:31,407 Jeremy's widow tells us she watched it alone 216 00:09:31,492 --> 00:09:33,149 and fell asleep shortly thereafter. 217 00:09:33,234 --> 00:09:35,848 Apparently her late husband never made it upstairs to bed. 218 00:09:35,933 --> 00:09:38,852 Sometime between 2:00 and 3:00 a.m., 219 00:09:38,937 --> 00:09:41,160 he entered the garage, climbed into his car, 220 00:09:41,282 --> 00:09:42,782 started the engine... 221 00:09:42,897 --> 00:09:44,685 but never opened the garage door. 222 00:09:44,933 --> 00:09:47,157 Just sat in the front seat and waited for the carbon monoxide 223 00:09:47,241 --> 00:09:50,334 to do its job... no texts, no note, no nothing. 224 00:09:50,776 --> 00:09:53,290 Let's talk law... The other side is gonna have 225 00:09:53,375 --> 00:09:56,425 to prove Jeremy Brennan's suicide was uniquely 226 00:09:56,510 --> 00:09:59,274 a result of Madeline McBride's on-air provocations. 227 00:09:59,359 --> 00:10:02,298 And as disturbing as what we just saw was, 228 00:10:02,383 --> 00:10:05,868 that's gonna be a very, very difficult thing to prove. 229 00:10:05,953 --> 00:10:09,002 And yet, the six people sitting in judgment of all this 230 00:10:09,138 --> 00:10:11,056 may have a hard time separating what Madeline did 231 00:10:11,140 --> 00:10:14,146 from who Madeline is, or who she appears to be. 232 00:10:14,230 --> 00:10:15,767 Taylor, you have those Q scores? 233 00:10:15,852 --> 00:10:16,978 "Q score"? 234 00:10:17,063 --> 00:10:20,151 They measure the likeability and familiarity 235 00:10:20,236 --> 00:10:20,849 of a celebrity. 236 00:10:20,934 --> 00:10:22,893 Madeline McBride has an extraordinarily 237 00:10:22,978 --> 00:10:24,397 high Q score, actually. 238 00:10:24,492 --> 00:10:26,584 Over 80% of adults who are between the ages 239 00:10:26,669 --> 00:10:28,856 of 18 and 49 know who she is. 240 00:10:28,941 --> 00:10:30,915 Additionally, two out of three of those 80% 241 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,235 admit to watching her at least three times a month. 242 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,243 Okay. She's popular. We knew that. 243 00:10:35,328 --> 00:10:36,724 Here's the fascinating part. 244 00:10:36,809 --> 00:10:39,206 Two-thirds of that subsetthat says they watch her, 245 00:10:39,291 --> 00:10:40,938 admit they don't like her. 246 00:10:41,023 --> 00:10:44,228 They find her shrill, hysterical, judgmental, unfair. 247 00:10:44,525 --> 00:10:47,531 Most repeated comment: "She's not a nice person." 248 00:10:47,731 --> 00:10:49,823 And therein lies the problem. 249 00:10:49,908 --> 00:10:52,462 That is our potential jury pool, which is why 250 00:10:52,547 --> 00:10:54,249 we have to make sure this case doesn't devolve 251 00:10:54,333 --> 00:10:56,468 into a referendum on our client's personality. 252 00:10:56,553 --> 00:10:59,342 Now, the other side's gonna have their hands full 253 00:10:59,427 --> 00:11:01,345 trying to prove causation, which I'm fairly sure 254 00:11:01,430 --> 00:11:03,913 we will be able to defend against, but... 255 00:11:04,186 --> 00:11:07,366 if this case becomes about what that jury thinks 256 00:11:07,631 --> 00:11:12,192 about McBride's behavior as a TV personality, we will lose. 257 00:11:12,370 --> 00:11:14,201 We can't play defense and win. 258 00:11:14,558 --> 00:11:17,270 We have to make sure this jury understands 259 00:11:17,355 --> 00:11:21,301 this is much bigger than a cable news TV show. 260 00:11:32,874 --> 00:11:34,934 This better be important. 261 00:11:38,575 --> 00:11:41,494 What can I do for you? 262 00:11:41,578 --> 00:11:45,194 Any progress in the Madeline McBride of it all? 263 00:11:45,278 --> 00:11:46,848 Still in the midst. 264 00:11:46,932 --> 00:11:50,590 Actually, I had a startling revelation a little while ago. 265 00:11:50,763 --> 00:11:52,333 Our client... 266 00:11:52,463 --> 00:11:55,034 is the Hunchback of Notre Dame. 267 00:11:55,549 --> 00:11:57,119 People see her... 268 00:11:57,203 --> 00:12:00,339 They're appalled, but they're also fascinated. 269 00:12:00,423 --> 00:12:02,114 Same way they feel about the Hunchback. 270 00:12:02,199 --> 00:12:03,325 They can't look away. 271 00:12:03,410 --> 00:12:06,460 So, what the novel does, what the movie does 272 00:12:06,545 --> 00:12:08,637 is it humanizes this person 273 00:12:08,722 --> 00:12:11,153 that people find so frightening, so terrifying. 274 00:12:11,238 --> 00:12:13,417 It makes them care about him. 275 00:12:13,697 --> 00:12:16,791 That's what we need to do with Madeline. 276 00:12:16,875 --> 00:12:18,559 Any idea how? 277 00:12:18,644 --> 00:12:20,012 Not a clue. 278 00:12:20,598 --> 00:12:22,013 Something will come to me. 279 00:12:22,097 --> 00:12:24,842 But I suspect that is not why you came to my office. 280 00:12:24,926 --> 00:12:26,235 Actually, I was hoping 281 00:12:26,387 --> 00:12:29,151 to get a couple of minutes with the other Dr. Bull. 282 00:12:29,235 --> 00:12:31,280 The psychologist. 283 00:12:37,989 --> 00:12:39,770 What's going on? 284 00:12:40,184 --> 00:12:42,164 My father passed away last night. 285 00:12:42,248 --> 00:12:43,926 COVID. 286 00:12:44,065 --> 00:12:46,692 I'm so sorry. No, it's fine. 287 00:12:46,957 --> 00:12:48,561 I'm fine. 288 00:12:48,863 --> 00:12:50,952 Didn't even know he was sick. 289 00:12:53,509 --> 00:12:56,918 Haven't seen or spoken with him in almost 15 years. 290 00:12:58,754 --> 00:13:00,887 I thought he was in New Orleans this whole time. 291 00:13:01,267 --> 00:13:04,577 Turns out he was living four subway stops away from me. 292 00:13:05,551 --> 00:13:08,059 Is that what you wanted to talk to me about? 293 00:13:08,653 --> 00:13:10,235 No. No. 294 00:13:10,319 --> 00:13:12,974 Um, I wanted to talk about me. 295 00:13:15,408 --> 00:13:18,364 So, I got the call at 3:00 in the morning. 296 00:13:18,449 --> 00:13:21,673 Hung up, went straight to sleep. 297 00:13:21,758 --> 00:13:23,546 Didn't cry. 298 00:13:23,684 --> 00:13:25,384 Just slept. 299 00:13:25,726 --> 00:13:28,558 Then I got up, came to work. 300 00:13:28,844 --> 00:13:31,194 Still haven't cried. 301 00:13:34,256 --> 00:13:36,000 Is that crazy? 302 00:13:36,403 --> 00:13:38,263 Well, there's a lot I don't know, 303 00:13:38,347 --> 00:13:40,352 but my suspicion is... 304 00:13:40,436 --> 00:13:44,004 you're not reacting yet to what happened. 305 00:13:44,758 --> 00:13:47,395 And there's two reasons. One, you're in shock. 306 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,705 And two, your father already left you 15 years ago. 307 00:13:51,970 --> 00:13:55,237 So, I suspect you've been mourning him 308 00:13:55,321 --> 00:13:57,976 on and off for years. 309 00:14:01,370 --> 00:14:03,590 That makes sense. 310 00:14:04,387 --> 00:14:06,650 Thank you, Dr. Bull. 311 00:14:10,253 --> 00:14:11,845 Danny? 312 00:14:13,774 --> 00:14:16,777 Sooner or later, you will cry. 313 00:14:19,214 --> 00:14:21,306 I don't know. 314 00:14:21,390 --> 00:14:23,831 He is my father. 315 00:14:23,915 --> 00:14:27,788 And it's not like I don't have any good memories. 316 00:14:29,329 --> 00:14:31,596 But in a lot of ways, he was a really bad guy. 317 00:14:31,923 --> 00:14:34,667 I'm just telling you, it could be tomorrow, 318 00:14:34,751 --> 00:14:36,031 could be years from now. 319 00:14:36,116 --> 00:14:38,034 You'll be walking down the street, 320 00:14:38,227 --> 00:14:41,143 and suddenly, it hits you. 321 00:14:42,770 --> 00:14:44,862 I just want you to know it's coming. 322 00:14:45,197 --> 00:14:46,854 Okay. 323 00:14:47,601 --> 00:14:49,281 I've been warned. 324 00:14:54,719 --> 00:14:56,203 And when did 325 00:14:56,288 --> 00:14:59,207 the two of you become aware that Madeline McBride 326 00:14:59,292 --> 00:15:01,036 was implicating your husband 327 00:15:01,256 --> 00:15:04,697 in the death of your child on national television? 328 00:15:04,781 --> 00:15:07,787 Were you regular viewers of her program? 329 00:15:07,871 --> 00:15:10,878 No, I had never seen it before, I'd-I'd never heard of her. 330 00:15:10,962 --> 00:15:15,369 Um, I'm guessing the first time she mentioned it, 331 00:15:15,454 --> 00:15:18,015 it was a Friday night, because I remember 332 00:15:18,099 --> 00:15:21,932 it was a Saturday morning when we first got the tweets. 333 00:15:22,016 --> 00:15:24,326 Um, my husband 334 00:15:24,410 --> 00:15:26,371 had his own Twitter account for, 335 00:15:26,455 --> 00:15:28,373 uh, for his work. 336 00:15:28,457 --> 00:15:31,868 And he woke me up to show me the... 337 00:15:31,953 --> 00:15:33,305 ugliest messages. 338 00:15:33,449 --> 00:15:36,542 Um, and as I said, it was a Saturday morning, 339 00:15:37,019 --> 00:15:38,720 which are always the hardest, 340 00:15:38,805 --> 00:15:40,892 because Saturdays were Kaylee's days. 341 00:15:40,977 --> 00:15:45,158 It was soccer and sleepovers, and then... 342 00:15:45,343 --> 00:15:48,044 there were just these long days 343 00:15:48,129 --> 00:15:51,266 that we had to fill by ourselves. 344 00:15:51,876 --> 00:15:55,139 And how did your life change 345 00:15:55,223 --> 00:15:57,968 as Madeline McBride began 346 00:15:58,052 --> 00:16:01,363 her nightly campaign against your husband? 347 00:16:01,447 --> 00:16:03,974 After she insinuated on national television 348 00:16:04,058 --> 00:16:08,848 that Kaylee's stepfather was a pedophile and a killer? 349 00:16:08,932 --> 00:16:12,066 My husband was vilified. 350 00:16:13,032 --> 00:16:15,342 At the grocery store, 351 00:16:15,896 --> 00:16:18,454 at his office, everywhere he went. 352 00:16:18,681 --> 00:16:20,512 They would call him names, 353 00:16:20,596 --> 00:16:22,339 tell him to stop hiding. 354 00:16:22,424 --> 00:16:23,511 And... 355 00:16:23,596 --> 00:16:25,470 did you and Mr. Brennan ever feel 356 00:16:25,555 --> 00:16:28,953 that you were in any real danger because of Ms. McBride? 357 00:16:29,337 --> 00:16:31,382 We did, and we were. 358 00:16:31,924 --> 00:16:34,321 In fact, the night before Jeremy took his own life, 359 00:16:35,046 --> 00:16:37,442 someone threw a brick through our front window. 360 00:16:37,526 --> 00:16:40,054 Your Honor, we would like to introduce 361 00:16:40,138 --> 00:16:42,970 into evidence the aforementioned brick 362 00:16:43,054 --> 00:16:45,020 that came through the Brennans' window. 363 00:16:45,135 --> 00:16:46,575 Objection, Your Honor. 364 00:16:46,660 --> 00:16:49,988 A brick thrown by an unknown perpetrator is not relevant 365 00:16:50,089 --> 00:16:52,225 to statements made by Ms. McBride, 366 00:16:52,333 --> 00:16:55,652 and any attempt to connect the two is speculative at best. 367 00:16:55,737 --> 00:16:57,785 Actually, the two are very much connected, 368 00:16:57,870 --> 00:16:59,785 very much related, Your Honor. 369 00:17:00,921 --> 00:17:02,970 Sorry, Counselor. 370 00:17:03,117 --> 00:17:05,424 I think we need to see where this goes. 371 00:17:06,381 --> 00:17:08,166 Overruled. 372 00:17:08,858 --> 00:17:11,560 The brick that you're holding... 373 00:17:11,778 --> 00:17:13,823 There's some writing on it? 374 00:17:14,607 --> 00:17:18,263 Would you please read what it says? 375 00:17:18,769 --> 00:17:20,948 It says, "Stop Hiding Jeremy." 376 00:17:21,164 --> 00:17:23,560 And are you familiar with that expression? 377 00:17:23,833 --> 00:17:25,925 I certainly am. 378 00:17:26,009 --> 00:17:28,537 "StopHidingJeremy" was the hashtag 379 00:17:28,621 --> 00:17:33,147 McBride told her audience to tweet to Jeremy every night. 380 00:17:36,753 --> 00:17:38,149 You okay? 381 00:17:38,234 --> 00:17:39,284 What do you mean? 382 00:17:39,383 --> 00:17:41,344 Well, that had to be hard to listen to in there. 383 00:17:41,429 --> 00:17:43,826 Oh. Well, I'm fine. 384 00:17:44,331 --> 00:17:47,508 I know, and I think the jury sees, 385 00:17:47,593 --> 00:17:50,055 that this is very difficult for her. 386 00:17:50,140 --> 00:17:52,667 She invited him into her house. 387 00:17:52,830 --> 00:17:54,400 She invited him into her life. 388 00:17:54,516 --> 00:17:57,305 And now her daughter is dead, so she's lashing out at me. 389 00:17:57,389 --> 00:18:00,438 It's-it's kind of classic textbook. 390 00:18:00,522 --> 00:18:01,787 Don't you think? 391 00:18:02,515 --> 00:18:04,225 Oh. Do you disagree? 392 00:18:04,309 --> 00:18:07,141 Well, for what it's worth, that's not what I heard. 393 00:18:07,905 --> 00:18:09,950 I heard her communicate... 394 00:18:10,035 --> 00:18:12,656 And rather effectively, I might add... 395 00:18:12,882 --> 00:18:15,192 The impact your show had on her life. 396 00:18:15,276 --> 00:18:18,152 And, by extension, her late husband's life. 397 00:18:18,236 --> 00:18:20,154 That is what they heard. 398 00:18:21,366 --> 00:18:23,997 Let's not confuse things, Madeline. 399 00:18:24,082 --> 00:18:27,661 Jury's not here to litigate her late husband's guilt. 400 00:18:27,746 --> 00:18:29,716 They're here to litigate yours. 401 00:18:30,418 --> 00:18:32,481 I'm guilty of nothing. 402 00:18:32,566 --> 00:18:33,962 I've killed no one. 403 00:18:34,047 --> 00:18:35,125 All I've done is exercise 404 00:18:35,210 --> 00:18:36,691 my First Amendment rights, 405 00:18:36,776 --> 00:18:39,677 and, um, last time I checked, that's not a crime. 406 00:18:39,762 --> 00:18:43,731 So, don't you confuse things. 407 00:18:44,044 --> 00:18:46,770 And don't forget who you're here to defend. 408 00:18:52,154 --> 00:18:54,873 Dr. Soto, will you please tell the court 409 00:18:54,958 --> 00:18:56,640 what it is you do? 410 00:18:56,724 --> 00:18:58,337 I'm a licensed psychiatrist 411 00:18:58,421 --> 00:18:59,600 in the state of New York 412 00:18:59,684 --> 00:19:01,471 in private practice in Westchester County, 413 00:19:01,555 --> 00:19:04,256 and until his death, I saw Jeremy Brennan once a week 414 00:19:04,340 --> 00:19:06,868 for the past... just about four years. 415 00:19:06,952 --> 00:19:09,218 And can you give the court some idea 416 00:19:09,302 --> 00:19:11,655 why you were seeing the late Mr. Brennan 417 00:19:11,739 --> 00:19:13,091 these past four years? 418 00:19:13,175 --> 00:19:15,267 Well, without going into too much detail, 419 00:19:15,351 --> 00:19:18,532 what brought Mr. Brennan into my office was his struggle 420 00:19:18,616 --> 00:19:20,838 with issues involving generalized anxiety. 421 00:19:20,922 --> 00:19:24,189 The stresses involved with running your own business. 422 00:19:24,273 --> 00:19:25,452 Pretty run-of-the-mill stuff. 423 00:19:25,536 --> 00:19:28,890 And can you talk about the impact 424 00:19:28,974 --> 00:19:30,848 Kaylee's death had on him? 425 00:19:30,932 --> 00:19:34,548 He was, uh, shattered. 426 00:19:34,632 --> 00:19:36,207 Destroyed. 427 00:19:36,292 --> 00:19:39,879 Uh, wanted to be this strong anchor for his wife, 428 00:19:40,028 --> 00:19:41,598 who obviously was devastated, 429 00:19:41,682 --> 00:19:43,905 and felt ashamed that he couldn't do it. 430 00:19:43,989 --> 00:19:45,515 Couldn't function. 431 00:19:45,599 --> 00:19:49,127 And then there was the whole issue of responsibility. 432 00:19:49,211 --> 00:19:51,608 Tracy was at work, he was at home. 433 00:19:51,692 --> 00:19:54,698 The way he explained it to me was, he could have 434 00:19:54,782 --> 00:19:56,657 just as easily been there, been at the house, 435 00:19:56,741 --> 00:19:58,223 maybe stopped it from happening. 436 00:19:58,307 --> 00:20:00,225 But he was riding his bike. 437 00:20:00,309 --> 00:20:03,577 At one of our last sessions, he told me 438 00:20:03,661 --> 00:20:05,361 it was an incredibly beautiful ride. 439 00:20:05,445 --> 00:20:08,652 And at the time, it gave him enormous pleasure. 440 00:20:08,816 --> 00:20:10,627 And he really had trouble understanding 441 00:20:10,711 --> 00:20:13,587 how he could experience so much pleasure 442 00:20:13,671 --> 00:20:17,939 when someone he loved so deeply was experiencing so much horror. 443 00:20:18,023 --> 00:20:20,028 Your Honor, we mean no disrespect, 444 00:20:20,112 --> 00:20:21,638 but it's hard to see the relevance 445 00:20:21,722 --> 00:20:23,205 of any of this testimony, 446 00:20:23,289 --> 00:20:25,555 what bearing it has on the case at hand. 447 00:20:25,639 --> 00:20:26,991 Your Honor, we believe it's essential 448 00:20:27,075 --> 00:20:28,474 for the jury to understand 449 00:20:28,559 --> 00:20:30,038 Mr. Brennan's state of mind 450 00:20:30,122 --> 00:20:32,083 before Ms. McBride turned him 451 00:20:32,167 --> 00:20:34,521 into the focus of her broadcasts, 452 00:20:34,605 --> 00:20:38,481 so they may better understand the impact she had on him. 453 00:20:38,565 --> 00:20:40,483 I agree, 454 00:20:40,567 --> 00:20:42,920 but I feel confident that you've done that. 455 00:20:43,004 --> 00:20:45,183 If we could please 456 00:20:45,267 --> 00:20:47,229 move it along. GODFORD: Beg the court's pardon. 457 00:20:47,313 --> 00:20:49,985 If I could just ask one last question... 458 00:20:50,085 --> 00:20:51,562 - Your Honor... - about the days before 459 00:20:51,646 --> 00:20:55,486 Ms. McBride made him the centerpiece of her broadcasts? 460 00:20:56,407 --> 00:20:57,804 One. 461 00:20:58,086 --> 00:20:59,415 But keep it brief. 462 00:21:00,078 --> 00:21:01,504 During that period, 463 00:21:01,588 --> 00:21:04,551 immediately after Kaylee's death 464 00:21:04,635 --> 00:21:07,684 but before Ms. McBride made him topic number one 465 00:21:07,768 --> 00:21:12,646 on her television show, did he seem at all to you suicidal? 466 00:21:12,730 --> 00:21:14,299 As his doctor, 467 00:21:14,383 --> 00:21:17,520 were you ever really concerned about his safety? 468 00:21:17,604 --> 00:21:18,604 No. 469 00:21:18,718 --> 00:21:21,306 He was depressed. He was angry. 470 00:21:21,390 --> 00:21:23,352 He couldn't sleep or eat. 471 00:21:23,436 --> 00:21:25,049 But he was also very clear 472 00:21:25,133 --> 00:21:27,008 that he had to be there for his wife. 473 00:21:27,092 --> 00:21:29,097 I see. And after 474 00:21:29,181 --> 00:21:31,795 he was implicated by Ms. McBride? 475 00:21:31,879 --> 00:21:33,231 That was the first time I saw 476 00:21:33,315 --> 00:21:36,222 anything even resembling suicidal ideation. 477 00:21:36,550 --> 00:21:39,020 She was on television every night 478 00:21:39,104 --> 00:21:40,761 implying awful things. 479 00:21:40,845 --> 00:21:42,850 The unrelenting tweets. 480 00:21:42,934 --> 00:21:45,156 The phone calls in the middle of the night. 481 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:46,941 The brick through the window. 482 00:21:47,025 --> 00:21:50,771 This rally she wanted to have across from his house. 483 00:21:50,855 --> 00:21:53,556 I wish I hadn't been so timid about it. 484 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,950 I wish I really had pushed 485 00:21:56,034 --> 00:21:58,779 to have him hospitalized. 486 00:21:58,863 --> 00:22:01,216 Nothing further, Your Honor. 487 00:22:05,434 --> 00:22:08,527 Hello, Dr. Soto. 488 00:22:08,611 --> 00:22:10,573 So... 489 00:22:10,657 --> 00:22:14,316 Are you familiar with the concept of correlation 490 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,145 and how it's often confused with causation? 491 00:22:17,229 --> 00:22:19,147 I'm familiar with it, yes. 492 00:22:19,231 --> 00:22:20,583 That even if there is 493 00:22:20,667 --> 00:22:23,499 a correlation between Ms. McBride's actions 494 00:22:23,583 --> 00:22:26,502 and Jeremy Brennan's depression and mental distress, 495 00:22:26,586 --> 00:22:29,244 well, that doesn't prove causation. 496 00:22:29,328 --> 00:22:32,726 No one knows for sure why Jeremy Brennan 497 00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:34,812 did what he did. 498 00:22:35,682 --> 00:22:39,642 You don't know why Mr. Brennan did what he did, do you? 499 00:22:43,255 --> 00:22:44,651 The witness will answer 500 00:22:44,735 --> 00:22:46,435 the question, please. BENNY: Oh, that's okay, 501 00:22:46,519 --> 00:22:48,437 Your Honor. That's all right. 502 00:22:48,521 --> 00:22:50,831 I-I think the jury gets it. 503 00:22:51,409 --> 00:22:55,307 They know if the doctor, uh, was certain about any of this, 504 00:22:55,393 --> 00:22:58,535 she would have absolutely had Mr. Brennan hospitalized. 505 00:22:58,705 --> 00:23:00,667 A-And not just thought about it. 506 00:23:00,751 --> 00:23:03,844 You know, like, done it. Made it happen. 507 00:23:03,928 --> 00:23:07,108 But she wasn't certain. 508 00:23:07,192 --> 00:23:08,846 Were you? 509 00:23:09,847 --> 00:23:11,460 No. 510 00:23:11,544 --> 00:23:15,769 Okay, so, let's get back to correlation and causation. 511 00:23:15,853 --> 00:23:18,293 To the best of your knowledge, did my client 512 00:23:18,377 --> 00:23:21,905 tell Jeremy Brennan to get on social media? 513 00:23:21,989 --> 00:23:23,907 No, not that I'm aware of. 514 00:23:23,991 --> 00:23:25,604 And, for that matter, did my client 515 00:23:25,688 --> 00:23:29,347 ever force Jeremy Brennan to watch her TV show? 516 00:23:29,431 --> 00:23:32,655 No, I-I can't imagine she did. 517 00:23:32,739 --> 00:23:35,179 I can't imagine that, either. 518 00:23:35,263 --> 00:23:37,051 Thank you. 519 00:23:37,135 --> 00:23:38,705 No further questions, Your Honor. 520 00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:40,924 I need you to answer the door, Marissa. 521 00:23:41,008 --> 00:23:43,063 What? Answer the door? What are you talking about? 522 00:23:43,148 --> 00:23:44,145 What door? 523 00:23:44,229 --> 00:23:46,405 Answer the door, Marissa. 524 00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:49,632 Doubt has arrived. 525 00:23:53,310 --> 00:23:55,820 Morning. Um, any way we could have a chat? 526 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,225 Sure. 527 00:23:57,558 --> 00:23:59,476 What's up? 528 00:23:59,561 --> 00:24:02,131 Um, I need a favor. 529 00:24:02,890 --> 00:24:04,960 My father passed away earlier this week. 530 00:24:05,044 --> 00:24:07,614 Oh, God, I... Danny, I'm so sorry. 531 00:24:07,698 --> 00:24:09,529 Were you close? 532 00:24:09,613 --> 00:24:11,789 I barely knew him. 533 00:24:13,563 --> 00:24:16,362 Well, that's not true. I knew him. 534 00:24:17,893 --> 00:24:19,636 And I loved him. 535 00:24:20,346 --> 00:24:22,276 But he left us... Uh, my mom and me... 536 00:24:22,408 --> 00:24:24,022 Right before I went into the police academy. 537 00:24:24,106 --> 00:24:27,678 No goodbye. Nothing. Just, uh, came home from school one day, 538 00:24:27,762 --> 00:24:30,202 and he was... he was gone. 539 00:24:30,286 --> 00:24:32,046 Took off with some woman. 540 00:24:34,616 --> 00:24:36,730 I haven't spoken to him in 15 years. 541 00:24:37,061 --> 00:24:38,776 So the point is, um, 542 00:24:39,335 --> 00:24:41,335 I, uh, I hired a-a company 543 00:24:41,460 --> 00:24:44,215 to go into his apartment and box up all his things. 544 00:24:44,300 --> 00:24:46,653 Get them out of there so the, uh, the landlord 545 00:24:46,737 --> 00:24:48,569 can get the place ready for a new tenant. 546 00:24:48,922 --> 00:24:50,046 Anyway, 547 00:24:50,131 --> 00:24:51,702 um, they just called, 548 00:24:51,786 --> 00:24:55,749 and apparently, it's about 20-some boxes. 549 00:24:56,108 --> 00:24:58,317 And I just don't have enough room 550 00:24:58,401 --> 00:25:01,320 for all that stuff in my tiny apartment, so... 551 00:25:01,811 --> 00:25:04,193 Is there any way that I could store them here, 552 00:25:04,277 --> 00:25:06,108 out of the way? 553 00:25:08,194 --> 00:25:10,895 - Judge is on his way out. - - We're coming. 554 00:25:11,533 --> 00:25:13,506 After the other side questions me, 555 00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:16,205 you get to question me, too, right? 556 00:25:16,289 --> 00:25:17,902 Yes. That's how it works. 557 00:25:17,986 --> 00:25:19,425 Okay. For your last question, 558 00:25:19,509 --> 00:25:22,849 just make sure you ask me how I got into all of this. 559 00:25:22,989 --> 00:25:25,344 What makes me care so deeply for victims of crime. 560 00:25:25,428 --> 00:25:29,870 What makes me care so deeply for people like Kaylee. 561 00:25:29,954 --> 00:25:32,000 Hmm? 562 00:25:34,785 --> 00:25:37,182 No evidence of forced entry. 563 00:25:37,266 --> 00:25:40,055 No real alibi for the time period 564 00:25:40,139 --> 00:25:43,014 during which Kaylee was sexually assaulted and murdered. 565 00:25:43,098 --> 00:25:45,974 I mean, he claimed he went on a bike ride, 566 00:25:46,058 --> 00:25:47,888 but no one actually saw him. 567 00:25:47,972 --> 00:25:49,890 So, he just seemed 568 00:25:49,974 --> 00:25:52,806 like someone that you would want to get answers from. 569 00:25:52,890 --> 00:25:56,506 You know what they say about walking like a duck. 570 00:25:56,590 --> 00:25:58,725 Any more questions 571 00:25:58,809 --> 00:25:59,900 for this witness, Counselor? 572 00:25:59,984 --> 00:26:02,770 Yes, Your Honor. Just one more. 573 00:26:03,553 --> 00:26:05,341 So, 574 00:26:05,425 --> 00:26:07,430 Ms. McBride, 575 00:26:07,514 --> 00:26:09,258 we've all 576 00:26:09,342 --> 00:26:10,868 seen you on television. 577 00:26:10,952 --> 00:26:13,653 We've all seen you in action. 578 00:26:13,737 --> 00:26:17,222 So, how did you come to this? 579 00:26:17,306 --> 00:26:21,270 How did you come to be a champion of justice? 580 00:26:21,354 --> 00:26:25,053 A champion of victims like Kaylee? 581 00:26:28,143 --> 00:26:31,103 Like a lot of things in life... 582 00:26:32,582 --> 00:26:34,932 ...you never see it coming. 583 00:26:36,499 --> 00:26:37,721 20 years ago, 584 00:26:37,805 --> 00:26:40,376 I was married. 585 00:26:40,460 --> 00:26:42,900 I was living in Indiana. 586 00:26:42,984 --> 00:26:44,684 It was, like... 587 00:26:44,768 --> 00:26:48,906 nine or ten weeks after 9/11. 588 00:26:49,419 --> 00:26:51,200 It was Black Friday. 589 00:26:52,044 --> 00:26:54,129 I was doing my patriotic duty 590 00:26:54,213 --> 00:26:56,696 by getting some early Christmas shopping done. 591 00:26:56,780 --> 00:26:58,958 And my three-year-old, 592 00:27:00,075 --> 00:27:02,046 David... 593 00:27:02,859 --> 00:27:05,604 He was at that in-between age. 594 00:27:06,029 --> 00:27:09,057 You know, they want to be carried, 595 00:27:09,141 --> 00:27:11,929 and, oh, no, they want to walk on their own 596 00:27:12,013 --> 00:27:13,278 or they want to hold your hand. 597 00:27:13,362 --> 00:27:16,104 It's like, no, no, they want to be free. 598 00:27:17,627 --> 00:27:20,372 Anyway, my husband at the time 599 00:27:20,456 --> 00:27:22,983 was in some other part of the mall. 600 00:27:23,067 --> 00:27:27,249 And I saw out of the corner of my eye 601 00:27:27,904 --> 00:27:30,162 this robot pet 602 00:27:30,247 --> 00:27:33,490 that was so popular that year. 603 00:27:33,575 --> 00:27:36,497 I mean, it was sold out everywhere. 604 00:27:36,582 --> 00:27:39,675 And then there it was. 605 00:27:40,552 --> 00:27:43,419 Magically, right in front of me. 606 00:27:44,567 --> 00:27:47,443 So, I grabbed David's hand, 607 00:27:47,528 --> 00:27:49,857 and we walked over to where they were. 608 00:27:52,184 --> 00:27:55,154 I remember that the aisle 609 00:27:55,970 --> 00:28:00,412 was so very crowded. 610 00:28:00,496 --> 00:28:03,720 People and shopping carts 611 00:28:03,804 --> 00:28:06,462 and winter clothes. 612 00:28:07,938 --> 00:28:10,898 It seems so stupid now. 613 00:28:13,292 --> 00:28:14,815 Anyway... 614 00:28:16,860 --> 00:28:18,474 I grabbed the toy, 615 00:28:18,558 --> 00:28:20,824 and then I realized that I... 616 00:28:21,161 --> 00:28:23,332 I didn't want David to see it. 617 00:28:23,432 --> 00:28:25,350 I didn't want him to know 618 00:28:25,434 --> 00:28:29,789 that Mommy was getting him the toy and not Santa. 619 00:28:30,521 --> 00:28:33,445 So I switched hands for a second. 620 00:28:34,036 --> 00:28:35,447 And... 621 00:28:35,531 --> 00:28:37,794 And then I looked down. 622 00:28:43,322 --> 00:28:45,498 He wasn't there. 623 00:28:46,896 --> 00:28:49,548 You can figure out the rest. 624 00:28:49,632 --> 00:28:51,898 It was, like, me, my husband, 625 00:28:51,982 --> 00:28:56,251 the police... We were all over that mall 626 00:28:56,833 --> 00:28:58,905 until they locked the doors 627 00:28:59,372 --> 00:29:01,949 and made us leave. 628 00:29:05,263 --> 00:29:07,998 He was just... 629 00:29:09,478 --> 00:29:11,083 ...gone. 630 00:29:12,829 --> 00:29:15,049 I'm so sorry. 631 00:29:16,411 --> 00:29:18,273 I was desperate, 632 00:29:18,786 --> 00:29:20,362 so... 633 00:29:21,075 --> 00:29:22,631 I went to the media. 634 00:29:22,716 --> 00:29:24,627 I didn't even know what the media was. 635 00:29:25,068 --> 00:29:26,890 But... 636 00:29:27,364 --> 00:29:30,502 I wanted David's picture 637 00:29:30,586 --> 00:29:33,763 and his name everywhere. 638 00:29:34,466 --> 00:29:38,986 You know, just in case somebody saw him. 639 00:29:40,114 --> 00:29:43,154 And I-I wouldn't let up. 640 00:29:44,107 --> 00:29:46,605 Not even after my husband 641 00:29:46,689 --> 00:29:48,591 stopped speaking to me. 642 00:29:50,998 --> 00:29:53,404 Not even after he left me. 643 00:29:53,696 --> 00:29:55,481 But... 644 00:29:58,005 --> 00:30:01,450 I just couldn't stop. 645 00:30:05,882 --> 00:30:08,061 My son's... 646 00:30:08,388 --> 00:30:12,457 body washed up on the shore of the Patoka Lake 647 00:30:12,841 --> 00:30:14,590 a few weeks later. 648 00:30:14,674 --> 00:30:16,302 And... 649 00:30:16,806 --> 00:30:20,177 I guess everyone figured 650 00:30:20,506 --> 00:30:22,551 that was that. 651 00:30:25,554 --> 00:30:27,513 But not for me. 652 00:30:28,340 --> 00:30:32,172 I went everywhere there was a microphone. 653 00:30:32,256 --> 00:30:34,827 Uh, radio stations. 654 00:30:34,911 --> 00:30:36,176 Colleges. 655 00:30:36,260 --> 00:30:40,224 I just... I kept pushing 656 00:30:40,438 --> 00:30:44,010 because I wanted the scalp 657 00:30:44,477 --> 00:30:47,643 of the man who kidnapped 658 00:30:47,837 --> 00:30:50,927 my son and murdered him. 659 00:30:52,755 --> 00:30:54,540 And then, finally... 660 00:30:57,107 --> 00:30:59,371 I got it. 661 00:31:03,592 --> 00:31:05,380 The police found him. 662 00:31:05,464 --> 00:31:08,165 'Cause, you know, they never dared stop looking 663 00:31:08,249 --> 00:31:11,948 'cause I was screaming from the rooftops. 664 00:31:14,925 --> 00:31:17,667 I got justice. 665 00:31:21,828 --> 00:31:24,308 I speak for the dead. 666 00:31:26,773 --> 00:31:28,649 Like my son. 667 00:31:34,057 --> 00:31:36,451 And like Kaylee. 668 00:31:39,846 --> 00:31:41,416 Told you I knew what I was doing. 669 00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:43,461 That was quite a piece of testimony. 670 00:31:43,545 --> 00:31:45,286 Any of it true? 671 00:31:46,243 --> 00:31:48,463 Yeah, step on in. Close the door? 672 00:31:51,510 --> 00:31:55,734 I'm here to inform you that WNN is withdrawing from the case. 673 00:31:55,818 --> 00:31:57,345 Excuse me? 674 00:31:57,429 --> 00:31:59,216 Also that our lawyers are on the phone with your lawyers 675 00:31:59,300 --> 00:32:00,348 negotiating the dissolution 676 00:32:00,432 --> 00:32:01,697 of your contract with our network. 677 00:32:01,781 --> 00:32:04,090 As of now, you are off the air, Madeline. 678 00:32:04,174 --> 00:32:06,087 What's going on? 679 00:32:06,229 --> 00:32:07,842 The man who killed Kaylee? 680 00:32:07,958 --> 00:32:09,398 They caught him about an hour ago. 681 00:32:09,483 --> 00:32:10,878 Confessed to everything. 682 00:32:11,094 --> 00:32:12,316 What are you talking about? 683 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,274 The man who killed Kaylee was her stepfather. 684 00:32:14,358 --> 00:32:15,928 No, he wasn't. 685 00:32:16,679 --> 00:32:19,338 Look, the word is starting to get out, and people are starting 686 00:32:19,423 --> 00:32:20,689 to gather in front of the courthouse. 687 00:32:20,773 --> 00:32:22,038 They're looking for you. 688 00:32:22,122 --> 00:32:23,689 So I'd arrange for some extra security 689 00:32:23,774 --> 00:32:26,126 - to get her out of here? - Yeah? 690 00:32:31,821 --> 00:32:33,704 The killer was a man named Wayne Dixon. 691 00:32:34,118 --> 00:32:35,713 He was working a construction job 692 00:32:35,798 --> 00:32:37,572 down the street from the Brennan home. 693 00:32:37,657 --> 00:32:41,048 Dixon had apparently targeted Kaylee a few weeks earlier. 694 00:32:41,133 --> 00:32:42,377 He was watching the house 695 00:32:42,462 --> 00:32:44,306 and saw Jeremy ride away on his bike. 696 00:32:44,391 --> 00:32:46,541 Dixon claims he approached the house, 697 00:32:46,626 --> 00:32:48,239 said he was a friend of Kaylee's dad, 698 00:32:48,324 --> 00:32:50,416 and she let him in, 699 00:32:50,501 --> 00:32:53,246 which is why there is no evidence of forced entry. 700 00:32:53,330 --> 00:32:55,640 Is there anything in there 701 00:32:55,724 --> 00:32:57,424 about how the police knew 702 00:32:57,508 --> 00:32:58,904 to question Dixon in the first place? 703 00:32:58,988 --> 00:33:00,775 How did he come to their attention? 704 00:33:00,859 --> 00:33:03,133 Well, according to this, they got a tip. 705 00:33:03,218 --> 00:33:05,745 Dixon's girlfriend. Why? 706 00:33:06,125 --> 00:33:08,130 We're in court at 11:00. 707 00:33:08,214 --> 00:33:10,368 See if you can find the girlfriend. 708 00:33:10,454 --> 00:33:12,720 See if you can get her on the phone with me. 709 00:33:13,219 --> 00:33:15,790 Ms. James, stacked all the boxes downstairs 710 00:33:15,874 --> 00:33:17,139 in that courtroom like you told me. 711 00:33:17,223 --> 00:33:19,011 Thanks so much for all your help. 712 00:33:19,095 --> 00:33:21,056 And I almost forgot. The person who helped pack up 713 00:33:21,140 --> 00:33:23,602 your dad's things wanted me to give you this. 714 00:33:23,886 --> 00:33:24,977 Thanks. 715 00:33:25,101 --> 00:33:27,146 Have a great day. 716 00:33:28,532 --> 00:33:30,413 Good morning, Ms. Cowley. 717 00:33:30,497 --> 00:33:34,032 Now, could you please tell the court what it was 718 00:33:34,117 --> 00:33:35,743 that prompted you to call the police 719 00:33:35,894 --> 00:33:37,313 on your boyfriend Wayne Dixon? 720 00:33:37,398 --> 00:33:38,993 Uh, yeah, I-I don't know. 721 00:33:39,115 --> 00:33:42,817 Um, Wayne was working construction in Westchester, 722 00:33:42,901 --> 00:33:45,646 and, uh, since he started, 723 00:33:45,730 --> 00:33:48,475 he just seemed different, distant, 724 00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:50,346 you know, like he was preoccupied 725 00:33:50,430 --> 00:33:52,610 with something or-or someone. 726 00:33:52,694 --> 00:33:55,470 And then, a few nights later, 727 00:33:55,555 --> 00:33:58,833 I found him out back, burning his clothes. 728 00:33:58,917 --> 00:34:02,097 I mean, why would you burn your clothes? 729 00:34:02,181 --> 00:34:05,884 He said he got some type of toxic chemical on them at work. 730 00:34:05,968 --> 00:34:09,714 But he does framing and drywall. I-I don't know. 731 00:34:09,798 --> 00:34:11,977 It just... it didn't seem right to me. 732 00:34:12,061 --> 00:34:14,327 Now, is that when you phoned the police? 733 00:34:14,411 --> 00:34:17,219 Uh, no, no, not yet. 734 00:34:17,304 --> 00:34:22,469 Um, what really got me thinking was, all of a sudden, 735 00:34:22,554 --> 00:34:25,037 he wanted to start watching Madeline McBride's show 736 00:34:25,122 --> 00:34:26,344 with me all of a sudden. 737 00:34:26,528 --> 00:34:28,968 Like, he never wanted to watch that show before. 738 00:34:29,131 --> 00:34:30,954 He did not like her. 739 00:34:31,686 --> 00:34:32,923 No offense. 740 00:34:33,049 --> 00:34:35,706 I'm sorry. I-I love you, and I love your show so much. 741 00:34:36,649 --> 00:34:37,766 Go, 742 00:34:37,851 --> 00:34:39,247 - Quasimodo. - Um... 743 00:34:39,523 --> 00:34:42,615 So, anyway, he started watching it with me. 744 00:34:42,700 --> 00:34:44,626 And whenever she'd bring up the case, 745 00:34:44,711 --> 00:34:48,079 he'd always say how he was working in that neighborhood 746 00:34:48,292 --> 00:34:51,907 and he knew the house that she was talking about, and... 747 00:34:51,992 --> 00:34:54,073 And did you know your boyfriend was interested 748 00:34:54,157 --> 00:34:56,379 in prepubescent girls? 749 00:34:57,876 --> 00:34:59,840 I don't know. 750 00:35:00,485 --> 00:35:02,748 We never talked about it. 751 00:35:04,985 --> 00:35:10,775 But... whenever we were at the beach or at the park... 752 00:35:12,284 --> 00:35:14,765 ...I thought I always saw him looking. 753 00:35:15,884 --> 00:35:19,376 Then I thought maybe it was just in my mind. 754 00:35:20,465 --> 00:35:22,680 And what did you tell the police when you called them? 755 00:35:23,585 --> 00:35:25,329 I knew from her show 756 00:35:25,437 --> 00:35:28,878 that Kaylee had DNA on her that hadn't been identified. 757 00:35:29,118 --> 00:35:32,821 So, I called them, and I offered Wayne's hairbrush. 758 00:35:32,968 --> 00:35:34,610 And how did you know to do that? 759 00:35:34,695 --> 00:35:36,091 From her show. 760 00:35:36,176 --> 00:35:39,360 She talked about how DNA from a hairbrush caught a killer 761 00:35:39,567 --> 00:35:41,704 she was profiling a couple years back. 762 00:35:42,368 --> 00:35:46,016 Well, it's lucky you watched her show. 763 00:35:46,896 --> 00:35:48,378 Did you know that tips 764 00:35:48,463 --> 00:35:51,513 from Ms. McBride's viewers have helped 765 00:35:51,784 --> 00:35:54,442 in solving over one hundred cases 766 00:35:54,527 --> 00:35:56,837 since the show first aired? 767 00:35:56,922 --> 00:35:58,927 No. 768 00:35:59,012 --> 00:36:01,104 I just think she's really smart 769 00:36:01,232 --> 00:36:03,367 and cool. 770 00:36:03,453 --> 00:36:06,878 Just really good at her job. 771 00:36:07,751 --> 00:36:09,165 Sanctuary. 772 00:36:25,452 --> 00:36:30,126 "Dear Danny James, you don't know me, but my name is Devon. 773 00:36:30,869 --> 00:36:34,136 "Some years ago, I got to know your father. 774 00:36:34,221 --> 00:36:37,140 "We met and fell in love in New York, 775 00:36:37,361 --> 00:36:39,462 "and eventually, I convinced him 776 00:36:39,547 --> 00:36:42,938 "to come live with me in Louisiana where I'm from. 777 00:36:43,890 --> 00:36:47,579 "I did not know at the time about you or your mother. 778 00:36:48,416 --> 00:36:51,766 "Three months after we settled down in Louisiana, 779 00:36:51,851 --> 00:36:55,205 "your father confessed to me about the family he had left. 780 00:36:55,807 --> 00:36:58,726 "Told me that he could no longer bear the guilt 781 00:36:58,881 --> 00:37:00,977 "and needed to go back to you. 782 00:37:01,247 --> 00:37:03,454 "I did not stand in his way. 783 00:37:05,959 --> 00:37:08,205 "He told me when he got to New York, 784 00:37:08,290 --> 00:37:10,552 "your mother refused to speak to him. 785 00:37:10,699 --> 00:37:13,313 "Warned him that if he tried to make contact with you 786 00:37:13,419 --> 00:37:15,770 "that she would kill him. 787 00:37:17,397 --> 00:37:19,619 "He told me he found a small apartment 788 00:37:19,704 --> 00:37:21,575 "and got a job working teaching physical education 789 00:37:21,659 --> 00:37:23,447 "at an art school. 790 00:37:23,532 --> 00:37:26,625 "Even taught himself to sketch. 791 00:37:27,893 --> 00:37:30,393 "Over the years he tried to build up the courage 792 00:37:30,478 --> 00:37:32,440 "to reach out to you, 793 00:37:32,586 --> 00:37:34,869 "but he told me he was so filled with guilt 794 00:37:34,964 --> 00:37:36,729 "and shame for leaving you, 795 00:37:36,814 --> 00:37:38,515 "he just couldn't do it. 796 00:37:39,494 --> 00:37:43,643 "And then one day, he was looking out his window, 797 00:37:43,728 --> 00:37:44,908 "and there you were. 798 00:37:44,993 --> 00:37:46,432 "Walking by. 799 00:37:46,517 --> 00:37:48,154 "He figured you were probably making your way home 800 00:37:48,238 --> 00:37:49,981 "from the police academy. 801 00:37:50,066 --> 00:37:53,856 "He said he saw you maybe ten or 20 times from that window, 802 00:37:53,941 --> 00:37:55,869 "but then, no more. 803 00:37:56,947 --> 00:37:59,649 "I didn't hear from your father again for many years. 804 00:37:59,858 --> 00:38:03,284 "And then about three weeks ago, he called 805 00:38:03,369 --> 00:38:06,042 "to tell me he was very sick. 806 00:38:06,127 --> 00:38:08,683 "I flew to New York, but by the time 807 00:38:08,768 --> 00:38:10,839 "I got there he was already in the hospital. 808 00:38:11,103 --> 00:38:15,854 So I'm writing to let you know what he told me. 809 00:38:16,330 --> 00:38:19,139 "That he wanted you to know he was terribly sorry. 810 00:38:19,928 --> 00:38:21,580 "And he wanted you to know 811 00:38:21,665 --> 00:38:23,260 he loved you." 812 00:38:34,541 --> 00:38:37,943 Jeremy Brennan's suicide is 813 00:38:38,027 --> 00:38:40,424 undeniably tragic. 814 00:38:40,508 --> 00:38:42,776 And no one will ever know with certainty 815 00:38:42,861 --> 00:38:45,777 why he decided to take his own life. 816 00:38:47,588 --> 00:38:50,374 But you know what we do know with certainty? 817 00:38:50,923 --> 00:38:53,581 That Kaylee's killer was caught. 818 00:38:53,821 --> 00:38:56,740 And that's, at least in part, due 819 00:38:56,872 --> 00:38:59,008 to Madeline McBride... 820 00:38:59,604 --> 00:39:02,226 for keeping Kaylee's story alive. 821 00:39:02,862 --> 00:39:06,129 But she was only able to do it 822 00:39:06,534 --> 00:39:10,324 because her freedom of speech allowed her to do it. 823 00:39:10,408 --> 00:39:13,285 See, that's the tricky thing about freedom of speech. 824 00:39:13,370 --> 00:39:15,308 It-it cuts both ways. 825 00:39:15,393 --> 00:39:18,018 See, people have the freedom 826 00:39:18,128 --> 00:39:20,986 to say whatever it is they want to say. 827 00:39:21,070 --> 00:39:23,497 And everyone else has the freedom, uh, 828 00:39:23,582 --> 00:39:26,473 not to listen, not to believe 829 00:39:26,598 --> 00:39:28,298 and to do their own research 830 00:39:28,382 --> 00:39:30,348 and come up with their own conclusions. 831 00:39:30,433 --> 00:39:32,801 I mean, that's what Carla Cowley did. 832 00:39:32,912 --> 00:39:34,264 You heard her. 833 00:39:34,388 --> 00:39:36,393 She loved that woman. 834 00:39:36,477 --> 00:39:38,874 But she did not let the fact 835 00:39:38,958 --> 00:39:40,693 that for over a month, she heard 836 00:39:40,778 --> 00:39:44,318 Madeline McBride, who thought that Jeremy Brennan 837 00:39:44,477 --> 00:39:46,162 probably committed the murder, 838 00:39:46,294 --> 00:39:48,099 stop her from picking up the phone 839 00:39:48,184 --> 00:39:50,668 and calling the police when she was convinced 840 00:39:50,818 --> 00:39:53,119 my client was mistaken. 841 00:39:53,407 --> 00:39:55,282 Look, I... 842 00:39:55,366 --> 00:39:57,022 I get it. 843 00:39:57,106 --> 00:39:58,794 Okay? I get it. She was... 844 00:39:58,879 --> 00:40:00,187 she was wrong. 845 00:40:00,472 --> 00:40:01,737 Wrong on the facts. 846 00:40:01,822 --> 00:40:03,523 Unnecessarily harsh. 847 00:40:03,692 --> 00:40:05,653 And there were times I felt that she took 848 00:40:06,378 --> 00:40:07,990 way too much pleasure 849 00:40:08,074 --> 00:40:11,338 in her ongoing campaign against Jeremy Brennan. 850 00:40:12,369 --> 00:40:13,938 But you know what? 851 00:40:14,154 --> 00:40:17,291 That is not against the law. 852 00:40:17,797 --> 00:40:19,871 And the problem is... 853 00:40:20,187 --> 00:40:22,004 if you don't stand up 854 00:40:22,088 --> 00:40:25,050 for the people you don't necessarily agree with 855 00:40:25,134 --> 00:40:27,183 when someone is trying to silence them, 856 00:40:27,267 --> 00:40:30,839 then there might not be the right to free speech left 857 00:40:30,923 --> 00:40:34,495 when they go after the people you do agree with. 858 00:40:35,194 --> 00:40:37,875 In the matter ofTracy Brennan v. 859 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,405 Madeline McBrideand the claim 860 00:40:39,490 --> 00:40:42,061 of intentional infliction of emotional distress... 861 00:40:42,967 --> 00:40:45,157 we, the jury, find Madeline McBride 862 00:40:45,241 --> 00:40:46,982 liable. 863 00:40:48,191 --> 00:40:50,501 And we award Tracy Brennan damages 864 00:40:50,586 --> 00:40:54,069 in the amount of two and one half million dollars. 865 00:40:55,762 --> 00:40:57,734 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 866 00:40:57,819 --> 00:40:59,131 thank you for your service. 867 00:40:59,223 --> 00:41:00,639 Court is adjourned. 868 00:41:05,174 --> 00:41:08,093 Ms. McBride. I'm very sorry. 869 00:41:08,389 --> 00:41:11,093 Don't be, you did your best. 870 00:41:13,685 --> 00:41:15,212 But you lost your job. 871 00:41:15,297 --> 00:41:17,177 You're about to get a boatload of bad publicity. 872 00:41:17,361 --> 00:41:19,844 And today is gonna cost you two and a half million dollars. 873 00:41:20,421 --> 00:41:21,933 Help me understand. 874 00:41:22,017 --> 00:41:24,022 You seem to have made your peace 875 00:41:24,106 --> 00:41:25,844 with this rather quickly. 876 00:41:25,929 --> 00:41:28,504 Well, two and a half million? 877 00:41:29,243 --> 00:41:31,987 That's why God created personal liability insurance. 878 00:41:32,735 --> 00:41:35,382 And the boatload of publicity? 879 00:41:36,055 --> 00:41:37,297 I love it. 880 00:41:37,381 --> 00:41:38,863 Good or bad, 881 00:41:38,947 --> 00:41:40,604 it keeps me in the zeitgeist. 882 00:41:40,688 --> 00:41:43,303 And it will come in handy 883 00:41:43,387 --> 00:41:46,044 when I sit down to cut my new deal. 884 00:41:46,836 --> 00:41:48,522 A new deal? 885 00:41:51,046 --> 00:41:53,356 See, people like me? 886 00:41:53,711 --> 00:41:55,576 People who have the courage to say 887 00:41:55,660 --> 00:41:58,970 what everyone else is thinking even if we're wrong? 888 00:41:59,352 --> 00:42:02,555 We always draw a big crowd. 889 00:42:02,754 --> 00:42:04,889 And trust me, 890 00:42:04,973 --> 00:42:06,954 after today... 891 00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:09,436 the crowd will only be bigger, huh? 892 00:42:09,803 --> 00:42:11,915 Thank you, gentlemen. 893 00:42:12,093 --> 00:42:13,852 Don't forget to send me your bill. 66216

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