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This is Justice in America.
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And I'm Madeline McBride.
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It has been 73 days
since the murder
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of 11-year-old Kaylee Nagle.
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Kaylee was found sexually
assaulted and stabbed to death
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in her Westchester,
New York home.
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And while the police have yet
to make an arrest,
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there is one suspect from whom
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we never hear.
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I'm talking
about Kaylee's stepfather,
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Jeremy Brennan.
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According to Jeremy's
statement to the police,
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he picked up Kaylee after school
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at soccer practice
and returned home.
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And while Kaylee's mother
was at work,
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Jeremy claims
he went on a bike ride
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and returned less than
an hour later to find
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his stepdaughter
dead on the kitchen floor,
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her soccer jersey ripped open,
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her shorts pulled down
to her ankles,
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and a kitchen knife
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buried in her chest.
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Well, apparently, the police
are running out of ways
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to get this man to talk,
and that is why
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I am asking you,
for the 22nd night in a row,
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to let Jeremy Brennan know
that you need to hear from him.
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You want answers.
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And he can't hide!
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Let's keep up the pressure.
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Let's bombard this man
with our tweets.
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Let's demand
that he come forward
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and answer some questions.
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@JeremyBrennanRealty.
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♪ StopHidingJeremy.
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Dr. Bull, Mr. Colón.
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I appreciate you
braving the pandemic
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to meet me this morning.
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For the record,
I get tested every day.
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The room is disinfected
every night.
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So feel free
to leave your masks on
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or take them off as you see fit.
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You gentlemen know
why you're here?
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I'm guessing it's because
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you have
a Madeline McBride problem.
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She's being sued by that family
of the little girl
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who was murdered.
And they want her
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to stop encouraging her viewers
to harass the stepfather
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on social media.
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Please.
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Well, you know...
this Madeline McBride issue.
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She's picking a fight
with someone who,
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who might be the guilty party,
but also someone
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who could certainly be
perceived as the victim,
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in that his stepdaughter was
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the person who died.
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Can't pay them off...
They don't want money.
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Can't ask Madeline to stop
what she's doing
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without doing irreparable harm
to her brand,
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which, as you know, is
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the tough-talking, acerbic,
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defender of those
denied justice.
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Yada, yada, yada.
Long story short,
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we're going to court,
whether we want to or not.
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So you think the jury
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just might side with
the family of the dead girl?
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Our whole business is based
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on the assumption that
the First Amendment gives
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our air personalities
the right to express themselves
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without fear of retribution.
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And I don't want to give
the courts or a jury
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any reason to second-guess that.
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I'd just love to shut this down
sooner rather than later.
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If you two were inclined
to lead the fight for us...
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I'd certainly make it
worth your while.
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You ever watch that lady's show?
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I have caught a little
of it here and there.
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It's hard to believe that's
what the founding fathers
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had in mind when they were
cooking up the Constitution.
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Are you trying to tell me
you'd rather not be involved?
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Madeline McBride is part of
this culture of evisceration
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that takes over cable
television every night.
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Whether it's politics
or celebrity stalking
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or true crime, it's just...
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it's just mean, man.
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Well, it might be mean,
but Madeline McBride
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and WNN are on the right
side of this thing legally.
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It's the First Amendment.
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And the problem is...
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if you don't stand up for
the people you don't agree with
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when they're being silenced,
there might not be
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a right to free speech
when they come after
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the people
that you do agree with.
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Right? No less a figure
than George Washington said,
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"If freedom of speech is taken
away, then dumb and silent
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we may be led
like sheep to the slaughter."
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Your Honor,
the law of the state of New York
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is very clear... an injunction
can only be granted
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if there's proof
that the party in question
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is doing irreparable harm.
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Counsel is correct
on that point.
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Is your client suffering
irreparable harm?
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Without question, Your Honor.
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Jeremy Brennan is suffering
indescribable mental anguish
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because of Madeline
McBride's relentless
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and very public attacks.
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To be clear, she's accusing
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my client of the murder
of his stepdaughter
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on national television,
virtually every night
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for over a month now.
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All this while he and his wife
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are dealing with the anguish
of having lost
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their only child in...
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as gruesome and savage
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a rape and murder
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as I can ever recall.
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She is using her bully pulpit
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to urge her viewers
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to call him out
via social media.
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My client receives
over a thousand
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tweets a day...
All of them hostile,
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many of them threatening...
And all of them mention
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Ms. McBride and
her program by name.
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Furthermore, Mr. Brennan is
a real estate agent.
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His name... is an integral
part of his business.
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Bus benches with
his name and photo
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are being defaced
with the words "pedophile"
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and "killer."
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Mr. Brennan can't even go out
in public anymore.
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And let's start with the fact
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that my client has never
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been arrested or charged
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with any crime. None.
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Furthermore, there
is clear evidence
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that someone else is the killer.
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There was unidentified
DNA and skin cells
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present under
Kaylee's fingernails.
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Something Ms. McBride doesn't
even mention on her show.
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Your Honor, the DNA found
underneath the victim's
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fingernails could come
from anyone, anywhere.
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Possibly even...
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one of her friends
on the soccer field.
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And isn't this ultimately
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about the First Amendment?
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No less a figure than
George Washington declared,
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"If freedom of speech
is taken away,
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"then dumb and silent,
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we may be led
like sheep to the slaughter."
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Mr. Colón knows good and well
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that not all speech
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is protected
by the First Amendment.
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The Supreme Court has
been very clear on that.
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There's a reason
you can't yell fire
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in a crowded theater.
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Respectfully, Your Honor,
you can if there's smoke.
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Personally, going forward,
I would encourage
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Ms. McBride to show
a degree of sensitivity
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to Mr. Brennan, who,
as Mr. Godford points out,
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has not even been charged
with a crime at this point.
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However, I am bound
by the State of New York
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as well as the United States'
Constitution.
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Madeline McBride has a
guaranteed First Amendment right
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to state her opinion.
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Therefore, I am denying
the request for an injunction.
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Court dismissed.
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Nice job, gentlemen.
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Uh... I told you
we were in good hands.
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That George Washington quote
was very moving.
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We barely said hello,
but I'm very grateful
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for what you did here today.
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And...
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I know that Kaylee is, too.
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Hi, hi, sorry!
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Forgive me for ambushing you.
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It's just that your place
was locked, but then...
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the guard downstairs
recognized me
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and he said that I could
wait here for you,
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so...
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What can I do for you,
Ms. McBride?
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I got a phone call
about an hour ago.
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Jeremy Brennan,
Kaylee Nagle's stepfather,
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he...
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...he killed himself last night.
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*BULL (2016)*
Season 05 Episode 09
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Episode Title: "The Bad Client"
Aired on: February 22, 2021
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Hello?
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Yes, this is she.
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Sorry, what hospital is this?
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Oh, no, no, there must be
some mistake.
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You're, like,
three blocks away from me.
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My father lives in Louisiana.
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Has for the last 15 years.
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Wait, he what?
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Tonight?
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Day 42... no response
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from Jeremy Brennan
or his attorneys
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regarding his availability
or willingness
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to appear on this show.
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No response from Westchester PD
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as to what their plans
are moving forward
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in regards
to the Kaylee Nagle case.
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No response from the mayor.
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No response
from the county supervisor.
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And that is why I've applied
for a permit
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for an organized rally
across the street
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from the Brennan home.
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The scene of Kaylee's death.
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And if you live
in the tri-state area,
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I do hope that you will
come down and join me
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as we let the world know
that we have some questions.
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And we want some answers!
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Our client concluded
her broadcast,
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this broadcast, at 9:59.
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According to the Brennan cable
box, the program was viewed
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in both the bedroom
and the family room.
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Jeremy's widow tells us
she watched it alone
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and fell asleep
shortly thereafter.
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Apparently her late husband
never made it upstairs to bed.
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Sometime between 2:00
and 3:00 a.m.,
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he entered the garage,
climbed into his car,
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started the engine...
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but never opened
the garage door.
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Just sat in the front seat and
waited for the carbon monoxide
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to do its job... no texts,
no note, no nothing.
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Let's talk law...
The other side is gonna have
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to prove Jeremy Brennan's
suicide was uniquely
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a result of Madeline McBride's
on-air provocations.
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And as disturbing
as what we just saw was,
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that's gonna be a very,
very difficult thing to prove.
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And yet, the six people
sitting in judgment of all this
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may have a hard time
separating what Madeline did
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from who Madeline is,
or who she appears to be.
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Taylor, you have those Q scores?
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"Q score"?
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They measure
the likeability and familiarity
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of a celebrity.
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Madeline McBride has
an extraordinarily
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high Q score, actually.
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Over 80% of adults
who are between the ages
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of 18 and 49 know who she is.
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Additionally, two out
of three of those 80%
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admit to watching her at
least three times a month.
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Okay. She's popular.
We knew that.
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Here's the fascinating part.
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Two-thirds of that subsetthat
says they watch her,
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admit they don't like her.
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They find her shrill,
hysterical, judgmental, unfair.
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Most repeated comment:
"She's not a nice person."
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And therein lies the problem.
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That is our potential jury pool,
which is why
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we have to make sure
this case doesn't devolve
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into a referendum
on our client's personality.
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Now, the other side's gonna
have their hands full
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trying to prove causation,
which I'm fairly sure
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we will be able
to defend against, but...
255
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if this case becomes
about what that jury thinks
256
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about McBride's behavior as
a TV personality, we will lose.
257
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We can't play defense and win.
258
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We have to make sure
this jury understands
259
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this is much bigger
than a cable news TV show.
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This better be important.
261
00:11:38,575 --> 00:11:41,494
What can I do for you?
262
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Any progress in the
Madeline McBride of it all?
263
00:11:45,278 --> 00:11:46,848
Still in the midst.
264
00:11:46,932 --> 00:11:50,590
Actually, I had a startling
revelation a little while ago.
265
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Our client...
266
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is the Hunchback of Notre Dame.
267
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People see her...
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They're appalled,
but they're also fascinated.
269
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Same way they feel
about the Hunchback.
270
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They can't look away.
271
00:12:03,410 --> 00:12:06,460
So, what the novel does,
what the movie does
272
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is it humanizes this person
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that people find
so frightening, so terrifying.
274
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It makes them care about him.
275
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That's what we need
to do with Madeline.
276
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Any idea how?
277
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Not a clue.
278
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Something will come to me.
279
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But I suspect that is not why
you came to my office.
280
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Actually, I was hoping
281
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to get a couple of minutes
with the other Dr. Bull.
282
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The psychologist.
283
00:12:37,989 --> 00:12:39,770
What's going on?
284
00:12:40,184 --> 00:12:42,164
My father passed away
last night.
285
00:12:42,248 --> 00:12:43,926
COVID.
286
00:12:44,065 --> 00:12:46,692
I'm so sorry. No, it's fine.
287
00:12:46,957 --> 00:12:48,561
I'm fine.
288
00:12:48,863 --> 00:12:50,952
Didn't even know he was sick.
289
00:12:53,509 --> 00:12:56,918
Haven't seen or spoken with him
in almost 15 years.
290
00:12:58,754 --> 00:13:00,887
I thought he was
in New Orleans this whole time.
291
00:13:01,267 --> 00:13:04,577
Turns out he was living
four subway stops away from me.
292
00:13:05,551 --> 00:13:08,059
Is that what you wanted
to talk to me about?
293
00:13:08,653 --> 00:13:10,235
No. No.
294
00:13:10,319 --> 00:13:12,974
Um, I wanted to talk about me.
295
00:13:15,408 --> 00:13:18,364
So, I got the call
at 3:00 in the morning.
296
00:13:18,449 --> 00:13:21,673
Hung up, went straight to sleep.
297
00:13:21,758 --> 00:13:23,546
Didn't cry.
298
00:13:23,684 --> 00:13:25,384
Just slept.
299
00:13:25,726 --> 00:13:28,558
Then I got up, came to work.
300
00:13:28,844 --> 00:13:31,194
Still haven't cried.
301
00:13:34,256 --> 00:13:36,000
Is that crazy?
302
00:13:36,403 --> 00:13:38,263
Well, there's a lot
I don't know,
303
00:13:38,347 --> 00:13:40,352
but my suspicion is...
304
00:13:40,436 --> 00:13:44,004
you're not reacting yet
to what happened.
305
00:13:44,758 --> 00:13:47,395
And there's two reasons.
One, you're in shock.
306
00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,705
And two, your father
already left you 15 years ago.
307
00:13:51,970 --> 00:13:55,237
So, I suspect
you've been mourning him
308
00:13:55,321 --> 00:13:57,976
on and off for years.
309
00:14:01,370 --> 00:14:03,590
That makes sense.
310
00:14:04,387 --> 00:14:06,650
Thank you, Dr. Bull.
311
00:14:10,253 --> 00:14:11,845
Danny?
312
00:14:13,774 --> 00:14:16,777
Sooner or later, you will cry.
313
00:14:19,214 --> 00:14:21,306
I don't know.
314
00:14:21,390 --> 00:14:23,831
He is my father.
315
00:14:23,915 --> 00:14:27,788
And it's not like
I don't have any good memories.
316
00:14:29,329 --> 00:14:31,596
But in a lot of ways,
he was a really bad guy.
317
00:14:31,923 --> 00:14:34,667
I'm just telling you,
it could be tomorrow,
318
00:14:34,751 --> 00:14:36,031
could be years from now.
319
00:14:36,116 --> 00:14:38,034
You'll be walking
down the street,
320
00:14:38,227 --> 00:14:41,143
and suddenly, it hits you.
321
00:14:42,770 --> 00:14:44,862
I just want you
to know it's coming.
322
00:14:45,197 --> 00:14:46,854
Okay.
323
00:14:47,601 --> 00:14:49,281
I've been warned.
324
00:14:54,719 --> 00:14:56,203
And when did
325
00:14:56,288 --> 00:14:59,207
the two of you become
aware that Madeline McBride
326
00:14:59,292 --> 00:15:01,036
was implicating your husband
327
00:15:01,256 --> 00:15:04,697
in the death of your child
on national television?
328
00:15:04,781 --> 00:15:07,787
Were you regular viewers
of her program?
329
00:15:07,871 --> 00:15:10,878
No, I had never seen it before,
I'd-I'd never heard of her.
330
00:15:10,962 --> 00:15:15,369
Um, I'm guessing
the first time she mentioned it,
331
00:15:15,454 --> 00:15:18,015
it was a Friday night,
because I remember
332
00:15:18,099 --> 00:15:21,932
it was a Saturday morning
when we first got the tweets.
333
00:15:22,016 --> 00:15:24,326
Um, my husband
334
00:15:24,410 --> 00:15:26,371
had his own Twitter account for,
335
00:15:26,455 --> 00:15:28,373
uh, for his work.
336
00:15:28,457 --> 00:15:31,868
And he woke me up
to show me the...
337
00:15:31,953 --> 00:15:33,305
ugliest messages.
338
00:15:33,449 --> 00:15:36,542
Um, and as I said,
it was a Saturday morning,
339
00:15:37,019 --> 00:15:38,720
which are always the hardest,
340
00:15:38,805 --> 00:15:40,892
because Saturdays
were Kaylee's days.
341
00:15:40,977 --> 00:15:45,158
It was soccer and sleepovers,
and then...
342
00:15:45,343 --> 00:15:48,044
there were just these long days
343
00:15:48,129 --> 00:15:51,266
that we had to fill
by ourselves.
344
00:15:51,876 --> 00:15:55,139
And how did your life change
345
00:15:55,223 --> 00:15:57,968
as Madeline McBride began
346
00:15:58,052 --> 00:16:01,363
her nightly campaign
against your husband?
347
00:16:01,447 --> 00:16:03,974
After she insinuated
on national television
348
00:16:04,058 --> 00:16:08,848
that Kaylee's stepfather was
a pedophile and a killer?
349
00:16:08,932 --> 00:16:12,066
My husband was vilified.
350
00:16:13,032 --> 00:16:15,342
At the grocery store,
351
00:16:15,896 --> 00:16:18,454
at his office,
everywhere he went.
352
00:16:18,681 --> 00:16:20,512
They would call him names,
353
00:16:20,596 --> 00:16:22,339
tell him to stop hiding.
354
00:16:22,424 --> 00:16:23,511
And...
355
00:16:23,596 --> 00:16:25,470
did you
and Mr. Brennan ever feel
356
00:16:25,555 --> 00:16:28,953
that you were in any real danger
because of Ms. McBride?
357
00:16:29,337 --> 00:16:31,382
We did, and we were.
358
00:16:31,924 --> 00:16:34,321
In fact, the night before
Jeremy took his own life,
359
00:16:35,046 --> 00:16:37,442
someone threw a brick
through our front window.
360
00:16:37,526 --> 00:16:40,054
Your Honor,
we would like to introduce
361
00:16:40,138 --> 00:16:42,970
into evidence
the aforementioned brick
362
00:16:43,054 --> 00:16:45,020
that came
through the Brennans' window.
363
00:16:45,135 --> 00:16:46,575
Objection, Your Honor.
364
00:16:46,660 --> 00:16:49,988
A brick thrown by an unknown
perpetrator is not relevant
365
00:16:50,089 --> 00:16:52,225
to statements made
by Ms. McBride,
366
00:16:52,333 --> 00:16:55,652
and any attempt to connect
the two is speculative at best.
367
00:16:55,737 --> 00:16:57,785
Actually, the two are
very much connected,
368
00:16:57,870 --> 00:16:59,785
very much related, Your Honor.
369
00:17:00,921 --> 00:17:02,970
Sorry, Counselor.
370
00:17:03,117 --> 00:17:05,424
I think we need
to see where this goes.
371
00:17:06,381 --> 00:17:08,166
Overruled.
372
00:17:08,858 --> 00:17:11,560
The brick
that you're holding...
373
00:17:11,778 --> 00:17:13,823
There's some writing on it?
374
00:17:14,607 --> 00:17:18,263
Would you please read
what it says?
375
00:17:18,769 --> 00:17:20,948
It says, "Stop Hiding Jeremy."
376
00:17:21,164 --> 00:17:23,560
And are you familiar
with that expression?
377
00:17:23,833 --> 00:17:25,925
I certainly am.
378
00:17:26,009 --> 00:17:28,537
"StopHidingJeremy"
was the hashtag
379
00:17:28,621 --> 00:17:33,147
McBride told her audience
to tweet to Jeremy every night.
380
00:17:36,753 --> 00:17:38,149
You okay?
381
00:17:38,234 --> 00:17:39,284
What do you mean?
382
00:17:39,383 --> 00:17:41,344
Well, that had to be hard
to listen to in there.
383
00:17:41,429 --> 00:17:43,826
Oh. Well, I'm fine.
384
00:17:44,331 --> 00:17:47,508
I know, and I think
the jury sees,
385
00:17:47,593 --> 00:17:50,055
that this is very
difficult for her.
386
00:17:50,140 --> 00:17:52,667
She invited him into her house.
387
00:17:52,830 --> 00:17:54,400
She invited him into her life.
388
00:17:54,516 --> 00:17:57,305
And now her daughter is dead,
so she's lashing out at me.
389
00:17:57,389 --> 00:18:00,438
It's-it's kind of
classic textbook.
390
00:18:00,522 --> 00:18:01,787
Don't you think?
391
00:18:02,515 --> 00:18:04,225
Oh. Do you disagree?
392
00:18:04,309 --> 00:18:07,141
Well, for what it's worth,
that's not what I heard.
393
00:18:07,905 --> 00:18:09,950
I heard her communicate...
394
00:18:10,035 --> 00:18:12,656
And rather effectively,
I might add...
395
00:18:12,882 --> 00:18:15,192
The impact your show had
on her life.
396
00:18:15,276 --> 00:18:18,152
And, by extension,
her late husband's life.
397
00:18:18,236 --> 00:18:20,154
That is what they heard.
398
00:18:21,366 --> 00:18:23,997
Let's not confuse things,
Madeline.
399
00:18:24,082 --> 00:18:27,661
Jury's not here to litigate
her late husband's guilt.
400
00:18:27,746 --> 00:18:29,716
They're here to litigate yours.
401
00:18:30,418 --> 00:18:32,481
I'm guilty of nothing.
402
00:18:32,566 --> 00:18:33,962
I've killed no one.
403
00:18:34,047 --> 00:18:35,125
All I've done is exercise
404
00:18:35,210 --> 00:18:36,691
my First Amendment rights,
405
00:18:36,776 --> 00:18:39,677
and, um, last time I checked,
that's not a crime.
406
00:18:39,762 --> 00:18:43,731
So, don't you confuse things.
407
00:18:44,044 --> 00:18:46,770
And don't forget
who you're here to defend.
408
00:18:52,154 --> 00:18:54,873
Dr. Soto,
will you please tell the court
409
00:18:54,958 --> 00:18:56,640
what it is you do?
410
00:18:56,724 --> 00:18:58,337
I'm a licensed psychiatrist
411
00:18:58,421 --> 00:18:59,600
in the state of New York
412
00:18:59,684 --> 00:19:01,471
in private practice
in Westchester County,
413
00:19:01,555 --> 00:19:04,256
and until his death,
I saw Jeremy Brennan once a week
414
00:19:04,340 --> 00:19:06,868
for the past...
just about four years.
415
00:19:06,952 --> 00:19:09,218
And can you give the court
some idea
416
00:19:09,302 --> 00:19:11,655
why you were seeing
the late Mr. Brennan
417
00:19:11,739 --> 00:19:13,091
these past four years?
418
00:19:13,175 --> 00:19:15,267
Well, without going
into too much detail,
419
00:19:15,351 --> 00:19:18,532
what brought Mr. Brennan
into my office was his struggle
420
00:19:18,616 --> 00:19:20,838
with issues
involving generalized anxiety.
421
00:19:20,922 --> 00:19:24,189
The stresses involved
with running your own business.
422
00:19:24,273 --> 00:19:25,452
Pretty run-of-the-mill stuff.
423
00:19:25,536 --> 00:19:28,890
And can you talk
about the impact
424
00:19:28,974 --> 00:19:30,848
Kaylee's death had on him?
425
00:19:30,932 --> 00:19:34,548
He was, uh, shattered.
426
00:19:34,632 --> 00:19:36,207
Destroyed.
427
00:19:36,292 --> 00:19:39,879
Uh, wanted to be
this strong anchor for his wife,
428
00:19:40,028 --> 00:19:41,598
who obviously was devastated,
429
00:19:41,682 --> 00:19:43,905
and felt ashamed
that he couldn't do it.
430
00:19:43,989 --> 00:19:45,515
Couldn't function.
431
00:19:45,599 --> 00:19:49,127
And then there was the
whole issue of responsibility.
432
00:19:49,211 --> 00:19:51,608
Tracy was at work,
he was at home.
433
00:19:51,692 --> 00:19:54,698
The way he explained it
to me was, he could have
434
00:19:54,782 --> 00:19:56,657
just as easily been there,
been at the house,
435
00:19:56,741 --> 00:19:58,223
maybe stopped it from happening.
436
00:19:58,307 --> 00:20:00,225
But he was riding his bike.
437
00:20:00,309 --> 00:20:03,577
At one of our last sessions,
he told me
438
00:20:03,661 --> 00:20:05,361
it was an incredibly
beautiful ride.
439
00:20:05,445 --> 00:20:08,652
And at the time,
it gave him enormous pleasure.
440
00:20:08,816 --> 00:20:10,627
And he really had trouble
understanding
441
00:20:10,711 --> 00:20:13,587
how he could experience
so much pleasure
442
00:20:13,671 --> 00:20:17,939
when someone he loved so deeply
was experiencing so much horror.
443
00:20:18,023 --> 00:20:20,028
Your Honor,
we mean no disrespect,
444
00:20:20,112 --> 00:20:21,638
but it's hard
to see the relevance
445
00:20:21,722 --> 00:20:23,205
of any of this testimony,
446
00:20:23,289 --> 00:20:25,555
what bearing it has
on the case at hand.
447
00:20:25,639 --> 00:20:26,991
Your Honor, we believe
it's essential
448
00:20:27,075 --> 00:20:28,474
for the jury to understand
449
00:20:28,559 --> 00:20:30,038
Mr. Brennan's state of mind
450
00:20:30,122 --> 00:20:32,083
before Ms. McBride turned him
451
00:20:32,167 --> 00:20:34,521
into the focus
of her broadcasts,
452
00:20:34,605 --> 00:20:38,481
so they may better understand
the impact she had on him.
453
00:20:38,565 --> 00:20:40,483
I agree,
454
00:20:40,567 --> 00:20:42,920
but I feel confident
that you've done that.
455
00:20:43,004 --> 00:20:45,183
If we could please
456
00:20:45,267 --> 00:20:47,229
move it along. GODFORD:
Beg the court's pardon.
457
00:20:47,313 --> 00:20:49,985
If I could just ask
one last question...
458
00:20:50,085 --> 00:20:51,562
- Your Honor...
- about the days before
459
00:20:51,646 --> 00:20:55,486
Ms. McBride made him the
centerpiece of her broadcasts?
460
00:20:56,407 --> 00:20:57,804
One.
461
00:20:58,086 --> 00:20:59,415
But keep it brief.
462
00:21:00,078 --> 00:21:01,504
During that period,
463
00:21:01,588 --> 00:21:04,551
immediately after Kaylee's death
464
00:21:04,635 --> 00:21:07,684
but before Ms. McBride made him
topic number one
465
00:21:07,768 --> 00:21:12,646
on her television show, did
he seem at all to you suicidal?
466
00:21:12,730 --> 00:21:14,299
As his doctor,
467
00:21:14,383 --> 00:21:17,520
were you ever really concerned
about his safety?
468
00:21:17,604 --> 00:21:18,604
No.
469
00:21:18,718 --> 00:21:21,306
He was depressed. He was angry.
470
00:21:21,390 --> 00:21:23,352
He couldn't sleep or eat.
471
00:21:23,436 --> 00:21:25,049
But he was also very clear
472
00:21:25,133 --> 00:21:27,008
that he had to be there
for his wife.
473
00:21:27,092 --> 00:21:29,097
I see. And after
474
00:21:29,181 --> 00:21:31,795
he was implicated
by Ms. McBride?
475
00:21:31,879 --> 00:21:33,231
That was the first time I saw
476
00:21:33,315 --> 00:21:36,222
anything even resembling
suicidal ideation.
477
00:21:36,550 --> 00:21:39,020
She was on television
every night
478
00:21:39,104 --> 00:21:40,761
implying awful things.
479
00:21:40,845 --> 00:21:42,850
The unrelenting tweets.
480
00:21:42,934 --> 00:21:45,156
The phone calls
in the middle of the night.
481
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:46,941
The brick through the window.
482
00:21:47,025 --> 00:21:50,771
This rally she wanted to have
across from his house.
483
00:21:50,855 --> 00:21:53,556
I wish I hadn't been so timid
about it.
484
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,950
I wish I really had pushed
485
00:21:56,034 --> 00:21:58,779
to have him hospitalized.
486
00:21:58,863 --> 00:22:01,216
Nothing further, Your Honor.
487
00:22:05,434 --> 00:22:08,527
Hello, Dr. Soto.
488
00:22:08,611 --> 00:22:10,573
So...
489
00:22:10,657 --> 00:22:14,316
Are you familiar
with the concept of correlation
490
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,145
and how it's often confused
with causation?
491
00:22:17,229 --> 00:22:19,147
I'm familiar with it, yes.
492
00:22:19,231 --> 00:22:20,583
That even if there is
493
00:22:20,667 --> 00:22:23,499
a correlation
between Ms. McBride's actions
494
00:22:23,583 --> 00:22:26,502
and Jeremy Brennan's
depression and mental distress,
495
00:22:26,586 --> 00:22:29,244
well,
that doesn't prove causation.
496
00:22:29,328 --> 00:22:32,726
No one knows for sure
why Jeremy Brennan
497
00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:34,812
did what he did.
498
00:22:35,682 --> 00:22:39,642
You don't know why Mr. Brennan
did what he did, do you?
499
00:22:43,255 --> 00:22:44,651
The witness will answer
500
00:22:44,735 --> 00:22:46,435
the question, please. BENNY:
Oh, that's okay,
501
00:22:46,519 --> 00:22:48,437
Your Honor.
That's all right.
502
00:22:48,521 --> 00:22:50,831
I-I think the jury gets it.
503
00:22:51,409 --> 00:22:55,307
They know if the doctor, uh,
was certain about any of this,
504
00:22:55,393 --> 00:22:58,535
she would have absolutely had
Mr. Brennan hospitalized.
505
00:22:58,705 --> 00:23:00,667
A-And not just thought about it.
506
00:23:00,751 --> 00:23:03,844
You know, like, done it.
Made it happen.
507
00:23:03,928 --> 00:23:07,108
But she wasn't certain.
508
00:23:07,192 --> 00:23:08,846
Were you?
509
00:23:09,847 --> 00:23:11,460
No.
510
00:23:11,544 --> 00:23:15,769
Okay, so, let's get back
to correlation and causation.
511
00:23:15,853 --> 00:23:18,293
To the best of your knowledge,
did my client
512
00:23:18,377 --> 00:23:21,905
tell Jeremy Brennan
to get on social media?
513
00:23:21,989 --> 00:23:23,907
No, not that I'm aware of.
514
00:23:23,991 --> 00:23:25,604
And, for that matter,
did my client
515
00:23:25,688 --> 00:23:29,347
ever force Jeremy Brennan
to watch her TV show?
516
00:23:29,431 --> 00:23:32,655
No, I-I can't imagine she did.
517
00:23:32,739 --> 00:23:35,179
I can't imagine that, either.
518
00:23:35,263 --> 00:23:37,051
Thank you.
519
00:23:37,135 --> 00:23:38,705
No further questions,
Your Honor.
520
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:40,924
I need you to answer the door,
Marissa.
521
00:23:41,008 --> 00:23:43,063
What? Answer the door?
What are you talking about?
522
00:23:43,148 --> 00:23:44,145
What door?
523
00:23:44,229 --> 00:23:46,405
Answer the door, Marissa.
524
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:49,632
Doubt has arrived.
525
00:23:53,310 --> 00:23:55,820
Morning. Um, any way
we could have a chat?
526
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,225
Sure.
527
00:23:57,558 --> 00:23:59,476
What's up?
528
00:23:59,561 --> 00:24:02,131
Um, I need a favor.
529
00:24:02,890 --> 00:24:04,960
My father passed away
earlier this week.
530
00:24:05,044 --> 00:24:07,614
Oh, God, I...
Danny, I'm so sorry.
531
00:24:07,698 --> 00:24:09,529
Were you close?
532
00:24:09,613 --> 00:24:11,789
I barely knew him.
533
00:24:13,563 --> 00:24:16,362
Well, that's not true.
I knew him.
534
00:24:17,893 --> 00:24:19,636
And I loved him.
535
00:24:20,346 --> 00:24:22,276
But he left us...
Uh, my mom and me...
536
00:24:22,408 --> 00:24:24,022
Right before
I went into the police academy.
537
00:24:24,106 --> 00:24:27,678
No goodbye. Nothing. Just, uh,
came home from school one day,
538
00:24:27,762 --> 00:24:30,202
and he was... he was gone.
539
00:24:30,286 --> 00:24:32,046
Took off with some woman.
540
00:24:34,616 --> 00:24:36,730
I haven't spoken to him
in 15 years.
541
00:24:37,061 --> 00:24:38,776
So the point is, um,
542
00:24:39,335 --> 00:24:41,335
I, uh, I hired a-a company
543
00:24:41,460 --> 00:24:44,215
to go into his apartment
and box up all his things.
544
00:24:44,300 --> 00:24:46,653
Get them out of there
so the, uh, the landlord
545
00:24:46,737 --> 00:24:48,569
can get the place ready
for a new tenant.
546
00:24:48,922 --> 00:24:50,046
Anyway,
547
00:24:50,131 --> 00:24:51,702
um, they just called,
548
00:24:51,786 --> 00:24:55,749
and apparently,
it's about 20-some boxes.
549
00:24:56,108 --> 00:24:58,317
And I just don't have
enough room
550
00:24:58,401 --> 00:25:01,320
for all that stuff
in my tiny apartment, so...
551
00:25:01,811 --> 00:25:04,193
Is there any way
that I could store them here,
552
00:25:04,277 --> 00:25:06,108
out of the way?
553
00:25:08,194 --> 00:25:10,895
- Judge is on his way out.
- - We're coming.
554
00:25:11,533 --> 00:25:13,506
After the other side
questions me,
555
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:16,205
you get to question me,
too, right?
556
00:25:16,289 --> 00:25:17,902
Yes. That's how it works.
557
00:25:17,986 --> 00:25:19,425
Okay. For your last question,
558
00:25:19,509 --> 00:25:22,849
just make sure you ask me
how I got into all of this.
559
00:25:22,989 --> 00:25:25,344
What makes me care so deeply
for victims of crime.
560
00:25:25,428 --> 00:25:29,870
What makes me care so deeply
for people like Kaylee.
561
00:25:29,954 --> 00:25:32,000
Hmm?
562
00:25:34,785 --> 00:25:37,182
No evidence of forced entry.
563
00:25:37,266 --> 00:25:40,055
No real alibi
for the time period
564
00:25:40,139 --> 00:25:43,014
during which Kaylee was
sexually assaulted and murdered.
565
00:25:43,098 --> 00:25:45,974
I mean, he claimed
he went on a bike ride,
566
00:25:46,058 --> 00:25:47,888
but no one actually saw him.
567
00:25:47,972 --> 00:25:49,890
So, he just seemed
568
00:25:49,974 --> 00:25:52,806
like someone that you would want
to get answers from.
569
00:25:52,890 --> 00:25:56,506
You know what they say
about walking like a duck.
570
00:25:56,590 --> 00:25:58,725
Any more questions
571
00:25:58,809 --> 00:25:59,900
for this witness, Counselor?
572
00:25:59,984 --> 00:26:02,770
Yes, Your Honor. Just one more.
573
00:26:03,553 --> 00:26:05,341
So,
574
00:26:05,425 --> 00:26:07,430
Ms. McBride,
575
00:26:07,514 --> 00:26:09,258
we've all
576
00:26:09,342 --> 00:26:10,868
seen you on television.
577
00:26:10,952 --> 00:26:13,653
We've all seen you in action.
578
00:26:13,737 --> 00:26:17,222
So, how did you come to this?
579
00:26:17,306 --> 00:26:21,270
How did you come to be
a champion of justice?
580
00:26:21,354 --> 00:26:25,053
A champion of victims
like Kaylee?
581
00:26:28,143 --> 00:26:31,103
Like a lot of things in life...
582
00:26:32,582 --> 00:26:34,932
...you never see it coming.
583
00:26:36,499 --> 00:26:37,721
20 years ago,
584
00:26:37,805 --> 00:26:40,376
I was married.
585
00:26:40,460 --> 00:26:42,900
I was living in Indiana.
586
00:26:42,984 --> 00:26:44,684
It was, like...
587
00:26:44,768 --> 00:26:48,906
nine or ten weeks after 9/11.
588
00:26:49,419 --> 00:26:51,200
It was Black Friday.
589
00:26:52,044 --> 00:26:54,129
I was doing my patriotic duty
590
00:26:54,213 --> 00:26:56,696
by getting some
early Christmas shopping done.
591
00:26:56,780 --> 00:26:58,958
And my three-year-old,
592
00:27:00,075 --> 00:27:02,046
David...
593
00:27:02,859 --> 00:27:05,604
He was at that in-between age.
594
00:27:06,029 --> 00:27:09,057
You know,
they want to be carried,
595
00:27:09,141 --> 00:27:11,929
and, oh, no,
they want to walk on their own
596
00:27:12,013 --> 00:27:13,278
or they want to hold your hand.
597
00:27:13,362 --> 00:27:16,104
It's like, no, no,
they want to be free.
598
00:27:17,627 --> 00:27:20,372
Anyway, my husband at the time
599
00:27:20,456 --> 00:27:22,983
was in some other part
of the mall.
600
00:27:23,067 --> 00:27:27,249
And I saw
out of the corner of my eye
601
00:27:27,904 --> 00:27:30,162
this robot pet
602
00:27:30,247 --> 00:27:33,490
that was so popular that year.
603
00:27:33,575 --> 00:27:36,497
I mean,
it was sold out everywhere.
604
00:27:36,582 --> 00:27:39,675
And then there it was.
605
00:27:40,552 --> 00:27:43,419
Magically, right in front of me.
606
00:27:44,567 --> 00:27:47,443
So, I grabbed David's hand,
607
00:27:47,528 --> 00:27:49,857
and we walked over
to where they were.
608
00:27:52,184 --> 00:27:55,154
I remember that the aisle
609
00:27:55,970 --> 00:28:00,412
was so very crowded.
610
00:28:00,496 --> 00:28:03,720
People and shopping carts
611
00:28:03,804 --> 00:28:06,462
and winter clothes.
612
00:28:07,938 --> 00:28:10,898
It seems so stupid now.
613
00:28:13,292 --> 00:28:14,815
Anyway...
614
00:28:16,860 --> 00:28:18,474
I grabbed the toy,
615
00:28:18,558 --> 00:28:20,824
and then I realized that I...
616
00:28:21,161 --> 00:28:23,332
I didn't want David to see it.
617
00:28:23,432 --> 00:28:25,350
I didn't want him to know
618
00:28:25,434 --> 00:28:29,789
that Mommy was getting him
the toy and not Santa.
619
00:28:30,521 --> 00:28:33,445
So I switched hands
for a second.
620
00:28:34,036 --> 00:28:35,447
And...
621
00:28:35,531 --> 00:28:37,794
And then I looked down.
622
00:28:43,322 --> 00:28:45,498
He wasn't there.
623
00:28:46,896 --> 00:28:49,548
You can figure out the rest.
624
00:28:49,632 --> 00:28:51,898
It was, like, me, my husband,
625
00:28:51,982 --> 00:28:56,251
the police...
We were all over that mall
626
00:28:56,833 --> 00:28:58,905
until they locked the doors
627
00:28:59,372 --> 00:29:01,949
and made us leave.
628
00:29:05,263 --> 00:29:07,998
He was just...
629
00:29:09,478 --> 00:29:11,083
...gone.
630
00:29:12,829 --> 00:29:15,049
I'm so sorry.
631
00:29:16,411 --> 00:29:18,273
I was desperate,
632
00:29:18,786 --> 00:29:20,362
so...
633
00:29:21,075 --> 00:29:22,631
I went to the media.
634
00:29:22,716 --> 00:29:24,627
I didn't even know
what the media was.
635
00:29:25,068 --> 00:29:26,890
But...
636
00:29:27,364 --> 00:29:30,502
I wanted David's picture
637
00:29:30,586 --> 00:29:33,763
and his name everywhere.
638
00:29:34,466 --> 00:29:38,986
You know, just in case
somebody saw him.
639
00:29:40,114 --> 00:29:43,154
And I-I wouldn't let up.
640
00:29:44,107 --> 00:29:46,605
Not even after my husband
641
00:29:46,689 --> 00:29:48,591
stopped speaking to me.
642
00:29:50,998 --> 00:29:53,404
Not even after he left me.
643
00:29:53,696 --> 00:29:55,481
But...
644
00:29:58,005 --> 00:30:01,450
I just couldn't stop.
645
00:30:05,882 --> 00:30:08,061
My son's...
646
00:30:08,388 --> 00:30:12,457
body washed up
on the shore of the Patoka Lake
647
00:30:12,841 --> 00:30:14,590
a few weeks later.
648
00:30:14,674 --> 00:30:16,302
And...
649
00:30:16,806 --> 00:30:20,177
I guess everyone figured
650
00:30:20,506 --> 00:30:22,551
that was that.
651
00:30:25,554 --> 00:30:27,513
But not for me.
652
00:30:28,340 --> 00:30:32,172
I went everywhere
there was a microphone.
653
00:30:32,256 --> 00:30:34,827
Uh, radio stations.
654
00:30:34,911 --> 00:30:36,176
Colleges.
655
00:30:36,260 --> 00:30:40,224
I just... I kept pushing
656
00:30:40,438 --> 00:30:44,010
because I wanted the scalp
657
00:30:44,477 --> 00:30:47,643
of the man who kidnapped
658
00:30:47,837 --> 00:30:50,927
my son and murdered him.
659
00:30:52,755 --> 00:30:54,540
And then, finally...
660
00:30:57,107 --> 00:30:59,371
I got it.
661
00:31:03,592 --> 00:31:05,380
The police found him.
662
00:31:05,464 --> 00:31:08,165
'Cause, you know,
they never dared stop looking
663
00:31:08,249 --> 00:31:11,948
'cause I was screaming
from the rooftops.
664
00:31:14,925 --> 00:31:17,667
I got justice.
665
00:31:21,828 --> 00:31:24,308
I speak for the dead.
666
00:31:26,773 --> 00:31:28,649
Like my son.
667
00:31:34,057 --> 00:31:36,451
And like Kaylee.
668
00:31:39,846 --> 00:31:41,416
Told you I knew
what I was doing.
669
00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:43,461
That was quite a piece
of testimony.
670
00:31:43,545 --> 00:31:45,286
Any of it true?
671
00:31:46,243 --> 00:31:48,463
Yeah, step on in.
Close the door?
672
00:31:51,510 --> 00:31:55,734
I'm here to inform you that WNN
is withdrawing from the case.
673
00:31:55,818 --> 00:31:57,345
Excuse me?
674
00:31:57,429 --> 00:31:59,216
Also that our lawyers are
on the phone with your lawyers
675
00:31:59,300 --> 00:32:00,348
negotiating the dissolution
676
00:32:00,432 --> 00:32:01,697
of your contract
with our network.
677
00:32:01,781 --> 00:32:04,090
As of now,
you are off the air, Madeline.
678
00:32:04,174 --> 00:32:06,087
What's going on?
679
00:32:06,229 --> 00:32:07,842
The man who killed Kaylee?
680
00:32:07,958 --> 00:32:09,398
They caught him
about an hour ago.
681
00:32:09,483 --> 00:32:10,878
Confessed to everything.
682
00:32:11,094 --> 00:32:12,316
What are you talking about?
683
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,274
The man who killed Kaylee
was her stepfather.
684
00:32:14,358 --> 00:32:15,928
No, he wasn't.
685
00:32:16,679 --> 00:32:19,338
Look, the word is starting to
get out, and people are starting
686
00:32:19,423 --> 00:32:20,689
to gather
in front of the courthouse.
687
00:32:20,773 --> 00:32:22,038
They're looking for you.
688
00:32:22,122 --> 00:32:23,689
So I'd arrange for
some extra security
689
00:32:23,774 --> 00:32:26,126
- to get her out of here?
- Yeah?
690
00:32:31,821 --> 00:32:33,704
The killer was a
man named Wayne Dixon.
691
00:32:34,118 --> 00:32:35,713
He was working
a construction job
692
00:32:35,798 --> 00:32:37,572
down the street
from the Brennan home.
693
00:32:37,657 --> 00:32:41,048
Dixon had apparently targeted
Kaylee a few weeks earlier.
694
00:32:41,133 --> 00:32:42,377
He was watching the house
695
00:32:42,462 --> 00:32:44,306
and saw Jeremy ride
away on his bike.
696
00:32:44,391 --> 00:32:46,541
Dixon claims he
approached the house,
697
00:32:46,626 --> 00:32:48,239
said he was a friend
of Kaylee's dad,
698
00:32:48,324 --> 00:32:50,416
and she let him in,
699
00:32:50,501 --> 00:32:53,246
which is why there is
no evidence of forced entry.
700
00:32:53,330 --> 00:32:55,640
Is there anything in there
701
00:32:55,724 --> 00:32:57,424
about how the police knew
702
00:32:57,508 --> 00:32:58,904
to question Dixon
in the first place?
703
00:32:58,988 --> 00:33:00,775
How did he come
to their attention?
704
00:33:00,859 --> 00:33:03,133
Well, according to this,
they got a tip.
705
00:33:03,218 --> 00:33:05,745
Dixon's girlfriend. Why?
706
00:33:06,125 --> 00:33:08,130
We're in court at 11:00.
707
00:33:08,214 --> 00:33:10,368
See if you can find
the girlfriend.
708
00:33:10,454 --> 00:33:12,720
See if you can get her
on the phone with me.
709
00:33:13,219 --> 00:33:15,790
Ms. James, stacked all
the boxes downstairs
710
00:33:15,874 --> 00:33:17,139
in that courtroom
like you told me.
711
00:33:17,223 --> 00:33:19,011
Thanks so much
for all your help.
712
00:33:19,095 --> 00:33:21,056
And I almost forgot.
The person who helped pack up
713
00:33:21,140 --> 00:33:23,602
your dad's things wanted me
to give you this.
714
00:33:23,886 --> 00:33:24,977
Thanks.
715
00:33:25,101 --> 00:33:27,146
Have a great day.
716
00:33:28,532 --> 00:33:30,413
Good morning, Ms. Cowley.
717
00:33:30,497 --> 00:33:34,032
Now, could you please
tell the court what it was
718
00:33:34,117 --> 00:33:35,743
that prompted you
to call the police
719
00:33:35,894 --> 00:33:37,313
on your boyfriend Wayne Dixon?
720
00:33:37,398 --> 00:33:38,993
Uh, yeah, I-I don't know.
721
00:33:39,115 --> 00:33:42,817
Um, Wayne was working
construction in Westchester,
722
00:33:42,901 --> 00:33:45,646
and, uh, since he started,
723
00:33:45,730 --> 00:33:48,475
he just seemed different,
distant,
724
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:50,346
you know,
like he was preoccupied
725
00:33:50,430 --> 00:33:52,610
with something or-or someone.
726
00:33:52,694 --> 00:33:55,470
And then, a few nights later,
727
00:33:55,555 --> 00:33:58,833
I found him out back,
burning his clothes.
728
00:33:58,917 --> 00:34:02,097
I mean,
why would you burn your clothes?
729
00:34:02,181 --> 00:34:05,884
He said he got some type of
toxic chemical on them at work.
730
00:34:05,968 --> 00:34:09,714
But he does framing
and drywall. I-I don't know.
731
00:34:09,798 --> 00:34:11,977
It just... it didn't seem right
to me.
732
00:34:12,061 --> 00:34:14,327
Now, is that when
you phoned the police?
733
00:34:14,411 --> 00:34:17,219
Uh, no, no, not yet.
734
00:34:17,304 --> 00:34:22,469
Um, what really got me thinking
was, all of a sudden,
735
00:34:22,554 --> 00:34:25,037
he wanted to start watching
Madeline McBride's show
736
00:34:25,122 --> 00:34:26,344
with me all of a sudden.
737
00:34:26,528 --> 00:34:28,968
Like, he never wanted
to watch that show before.
738
00:34:29,131 --> 00:34:30,954
He did not like her.
739
00:34:31,686 --> 00:34:32,923
No offense.
740
00:34:33,049 --> 00:34:35,706
I'm sorry. I-I love you,
and I love your show so much.
741
00:34:36,649 --> 00:34:37,766
Go,
742
00:34:37,851 --> 00:34:39,247
- Quasimodo.
- Um...
743
00:34:39,523 --> 00:34:42,615
So, anyway, he started
watching it with me.
744
00:34:42,700 --> 00:34:44,626
And whenever
she'd bring up the case,
745
00:34:44,711 --> 00:34:48,079
he'd always say how he was
working in that neighborhood
746
00:34:48,292 --> 00:34:51,907
and he knew the house that
she was talking about, and...
747
00:34:51,992 --> 00:34:54,073
And did you know
your boyfriend was interested
748
00:34:54,157 --> 00:34:56,379
in prepubescent girls?
749
00:34:57,876 --> 00:34:59,840
I don't know.
750
00:35:00,485 --> 00:35:02,748
We never talked about it.
751
00:35:04,985 --> 00:35:10,775
But... whenever we were
at the beach or at the park...
752
00:35:12,284 --> 00:35:14,765
...I thought
I always saw him looking.
753
00:35:15,884 --> 00:35:19,376
Then I thought
maybe it was just in my mind.
754
00:35:20,465 --> 00:35:22,680
And what did you tell the police
when you called them?
755
00:35:23,585 --> 00:35:25,329
I knew from her show
756
00:35:25,437 --> 00:35:28,878
that Kaylee had DNA on her
that hadn't been identified.
757
00:35:29,118 --> 00:35:32,821
So, I called them,
and I offered Wayne's hairbrush.
758
00:35:32,968 --> 00:35:34,610
And how did you know to do that?
759
00:35:34,695 --> 00:35:36,091
From her show.
760
00:35:36,176 --> 00:35:39,360
She talked about how DNA
from a hairbrush caught a killer
761
00:35:39,567 --> 00:35:41,704
she was profiling
a couple years back.
762
00:35:42,368 --> 00:35:46,016
Well, it's lucky
you watched her show.
763
00:35:46,896 --> 00:35:48,378
Did you know that tips
764
00:35:48,463 --> 00:35:51,513
from Ms. McBride's viewers
have helped
765
00:35:51,784 --> 00:35:54,442
in solving
over one hundred cases
766
00:35:54,527 --> 00:35:56,837
since the show first aired?
767
00:35:56,922 --> 00:35:58,927
No.
768
00:35:59,012 --> 00:36:01,104
I just think she's really smart
769
00:36:01,232 --> 00:36:03,367
and cool.
770
00:36:03,453 --> 00:36:06,878
Just really good at her job.
771
00:36:07,751 --> 00:36:09,165
Sanctuary.
772
00:36:25,452 --> 00:36:30,126
"Dear Danny James, you don't
know me, but my name is Devon.
773
00:36:30,869 --> 00:36:34,136
"Some years ago,
I got to know your father.
774
00:36:34,221 --> 00:36:37,140
"We met and fell
in love in New York,
775
00:36:37,361 --> 00:36:39,462
"and eventually, I convinced him
776
00:36:39,547 --> 00:36:42,938
"to come live with me
in Louisiana where I'm from.
777
00:36:43,890 --> 00:36:47,579
"I did not know at the time
about you or your mother.
778
00:36:48,416 --> 00:36:51,766
"Three months after we settled
down in Louisiana,
779
00:36:51,851 --> 00:36:55,205
"your father confessed to me
about the family he had left.
780
00:36:55,807 --> 00:36:58,726
"Told me that he could
no longer bear the guilt
781
00:36:58,881 --> 00:37:00,977
"and needed to go back to you.
782
00:37:01,247 --> 00:37:03,454
"I did not stand in his way.
783
00:37:05,959 --> 00:37:08,205
"He told me
when he got to New York,
784
00:37:08,290 --> 00:37:10,552
"your mother refused
to speak to him.
785
00:37:10,699 --> 00:37:13,313
"Warned him that if he
tried to make contact with you
786
00:37:13,419 --> 00:37:15,770
"that she would kill him.
787
00:37:17,397 --> 00:37:19,619
"He told me he found
a small apartment
788
00:37:19,704 --> 00:37:21,575
"and got a job working
teaching physical education
789
00:37:21,659 --> 00:37:23,447
"at an art school.
790
00:37:23,532 --> 00:37:26,625
"Even taught himself to sketch.
791
00:37:27,893 --> 00:37:30,393
"Over the years he tried
to build up the courage
792
00:37:30,478 --> 00:37:32,440
"to reach out to you,
793
00:37:32,586 --> 00:37:34,869
"but he told me he was
so filled with guilt
794
00:37:34,964 --> 00:37:36,729
"and shame for leaving you,
795
00:37:36,814 --> 00:37:38,515
"he just couldn't do it.
796
00:37:39,494 --> 00:37:43,643
"And then one day,
he was looking out his window,
797
00:37:43,728 --> 00:37:44,908
"and there you were.
798
00:37:44,993 --> 00:37:46,432
"Walking by.
799
00:37:46,517 --> 00:37:48,154
"He figured you were probably
making your way home
800
00:37:48,238 --> 00:37:49,981
"from the police academy.
801
00:37:50,066 --> 00:37:53,856
"He said he saw you maybe ten
or 20 times from that window,
802
00:37:53,941 --> 00:37:55,869
"but then, no more.
803
00:37:56,947 --> 00:37:59,649
"I didn't hear from your
father again for many years.
804
00:37:59,858 --> 00:38:03,284
"And then about three weeks ago,
he called
805
00:38:03,369 --> 00:38:06,042
"to tell me
he was very sick.
806
00:38:06,127 --> 00:38:08,683
"I flew to New York,
but by the time
807
00:38:08,768 --> 00:38:10,839
"I got there he was already
in the hospital.
808
00:38:11,103 --> 00:38:15,854
So I'm writing to let you
know what he told me.
809
00:38:16,330 --> 00:38:19,139
"That he wanted you to know
he was terribly sorry.
810
00:38:19,928 --> 00:38:21,580
"And he wanted you to know
811
00:38:21,665 --> 00:38:23,260
he loved you."
812
00:38:34,541 --> 00:38:37,943
Jeremy Brennan's suicide is
813
00:38:38,027 --> 00:38:40,424
undeniably tragic.
814
00:38:40,508 --> 00:38:42,776
And no one will ever
know with certainty
815
00:38:42,861 --> 00:38:45,777
why he decided
to take his own life.
816
00:38:47,588 --> 00:38:50,374
But you know what we do know
with certainty?
817
00:38:50,923 --> 00:38:53,581
That Kaylee's killer was caught.
818
00:38:53,821 --> 00:38:56,740
And that's,
at least in part, due
819
00:38:56,872 --> 00:38:59,008
to Madeline McBride...
820
00:38:59,604 --> 00:39:02,226
for keeping
Kaylee's story alive.
821
00:39:02,862 --> 00:39:06,129
But she was only able to do it
822
00:39:06,534 --> 00:39:10,324
because her freedom of speech
allowed her to do it.
823
00:39:10,408 --> 00:39:13,285
See, that's the tricky thing
about freedom of speech.
824
00:39:13,370 --> 00:39:15,308
It-it cuts both ways.
825
00:39:15,393 --> 00:39:18,018
See, people have the freedom
826
00:39:18,128 --> 00:39:20,986
to say whatever it is
they want to say.
827
00:39:21,070 --> 00:39:23,497
And everyone else has
the freedom, uh,
828
00:39:23,582 --> 00:39:26,473
not to listen, not to believe
829
00:39:26,598 --> 00:39:28,298
and to do their own research
830
00:39:28,382 --> 00:39:30,348
and come up
with their own conclusions.
831
00:39:30,433 --> 00:39:32,801
I mean, that's
what Carla Cowley did.
832
00:39:32,912 --> 00:39:34,264
You heard her.
833
00:39:34,388 --> 00:39:36,393
She loved that woman.
834
00:39:36,477 --> 00:39:38,874
But she did not let the fact
835
00:39:38,958 --> 00:39:40,693
that for over a month, she heard
836
00:39:40,778 --> 00:39:44,318
Madeline McBride,
who thought that Jeremy Brennan
837
00:39:44,477 --> 00:39:46,162
probably committed the murder,
838
00:39:46,294 --> 00:39:48,099
stop her from picking up
the phone
839
00:39:48,184 --> 00:39:50,668
and calling the police
when she was convinced
840
00:39:50,818 --> 00:39:53,119
my client was mistaken.
841
00:39:53,407 --> 00:39:55,282
Look, I...
842
00:39:55,366 --> 00:39:57,022
I get it.
843
00:39:57,106 --> 00:39:58,794
Okay? I get it. She was...
844
00:39:58,879 --> 00:40:00,187
she was wrong.
845
00:40:00,472 --> 00:40:01,737
Wrong on the facts.
846
00:40:01,822 --> 00:40:03,523
Unnecessarily harsh.
847
00:40:03,692 --> 00:40:05,653
And there were times
I felt that she took
848
00:40:06,378 --> 00:40:07,990
way too much pleasure
849
00:40:08,074 --> 00:40:11,338
in her ongoing campaign
against Jeremy Brennan.
850
00:40:12,369 --> 00:40:13,938
But you know what?
851
00:40:14,154 --> 00:40:17,291
That is not against the law.
852
00:40:17,797 --> 00:40:19,871
And the problem is...
853
00:40:20,187 --> 00:40:22,004
if you don't stand up
854
00:40:22,088 --> 00:40:25,050
for the people you don't
necessarily agree with
855
00:40:25,134 --> 00:40:27,183
when someone is trying
to silence them,
856
00:40:27,267 --> 00:40:30,839
then there might not be
the right to free speech left
857
00:40:30,923 --> 00:40:34,495
when they go after the people
you do agree with.
858
00:40:35,194 --> 00:40:37,875
In the matter
ofTracy Brennan v.
859
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,405
Madeline McBrideand the claim
860
00:40:39,490 --> 00:40:42,061
of intentional infliction
of emotional distress...
861
00:40:42,967 --> 00:40:45,157
we, the jury,
find Madeline McBride
862
00:40:45,241 --> 00:40:46,982
liable.
863
00:40:48,191 --> 00:40:50,501
And we award
Tracy Brennan damages
864
00:40:50,586 --> 00:40:54,069
in the amount of two
and one half million dollars.
865
00:40:55,762 --> 00:40:57,734
Ladies and
gentlemen of the jury,
866
00:40:57,819 --> 00:40:59,131
thank you for your service.
867
00:40:59,223 --> 00:41:00,639
Court is adjourned.
868
00:41:05,174 --> 00:41:08,093
Ms. McBride. I'm very sorry.
869
00:41:08,389 --> 00:41:11,093
Don't be, you did your best.
870
00:41:13,685 --> 00:41:15,212
But you lost your job.
871
00:41:15,297 --> 00:41:17,177
You're about to get
a boatload of bad publicity.
872
00:41:17,361 --> 00:41:19,844
And today is gonna cost you
two and a half million dollars.
873
00:41:20,421 --> 00:41:21,933
Help me understand.
874
00:41:22,017 --> 00:41:24,022
You seem to have
made your peace
875
00:41:24,106 --> 00:41:25,844
with this rather quickly.
876
00:41:25,929 --> 00:41:28,504
Well, two and a half million?
877
00:41:29,243 --> 00:41:31,987
That's why God created
personal liability insurance.
878
00:41:32,735 --> 00:41:35,382
And the boatload of publicity?
879
00:41:36,055 --> 00:41:37,297
I love it.
880
00:41:37,381 --> 00:41:38,863
Good or bad,
881
00:41:38,947 --> 00:41:40,604
it keeps me in the zeitgeist.
882
00:41:40,688 --> 00:41:43,303
And it will come in handy
883
00:41:43,387 --> 00:41:46,044
when I sit down
to cut my new deal.
884
00:41:46,836 --> 00:41:48,522
A new deal?
885
00:41:51,046 --> 00:41:53,356
See, people like me?
886
00:41:53,711 --> 00:41:55,576
People who have
the courage to say
887
00:41:55,660 --> 00:41:58,970
what everyone else is thinking
even if we're wrong?
888
00:41:59,352 --> 00:42:02,555
We always draw a big crowd.
889
00:42:02,754 --> 00:42:04,889
And trust me,
890
00:42:04,973 --> 00:42:06,954
after today...
891
00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:09,436
the crowd will only
be bigger, huh?
892
00:42:09,803 --> 00:42:11,915
Thank you, gentlemen.
893
00:42:12,093 --> 00:42:13,852
Don't forget
to send me your bill.
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