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This is Justice in America.
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And I'm Madeline McBride.
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It has been 73 days since the murder
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of 11-year-old Kaylee Nagle.
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Kaylee was found sexually
assaulted and stabbed to death
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in her Westchester, New York home.
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And while the police have yet
to make an arrest,
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there is one suspect from whom
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we never hear.
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I'm talking about Kaylee's stepfather,
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Jeremy Brennan.
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According to Jeremy's
statement to the police,
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he picked up Kaylee after school
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at soccer practice and returned home.
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And while Kaylee's mother was at work,
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Jeremy claims he went on a bike ride
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and returned less than
an hour later to find
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his stepdaughter
dead on the kitchen floor,
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her soccer jersey ripped open,
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her shorts pulled down to her ankles,
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and a kitchen knife buried in her chest.
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Well, apparently, the police
are running out of ways
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to get this man to talk, and that is why
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I am asking you,
for the 22nd night in a row,
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to let Jeremy Brennan know
that you need to hear from him.
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You want answers.
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And he can't hide!
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Let's keep up the pressure.
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Let's bombard this man with our tweets.
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Let's demand that he come forward
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and answer some questions.
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@JeremyBrennanRealty.
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#StopHidingJeremy.
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Dr. Bull, Mr. Colón.
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I appreciate you braving the pandemic
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to meet me this morning.
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For the record, I get tested every day.
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The room is disinfected every night.
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So feel free to leave your masks on
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or take them off as you see fit.
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You gentlemen know why you're here?
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I'm guessing it's because
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you have a Madeline McBride problem.
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She's being sued by that family
of the little girl
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who was murdered. And they want her
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to stop encouraging her viewers
to harass the stepfather
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on social media.
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Please.
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Well, you know...
this Madeline McBride issue.
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She's picking a fight with someone who,
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who might be the guilty party,
but also someone
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who could certainly be
perceived as the victim,
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in that his stepdaughter
was the person who died.
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Can't pay them off...
They don't want money.
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Can't ask Madeline to stop
what she's doing
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without doing irreparable harm
to her brand,
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which, as you know, is
the tough-talking, acerbic,
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defender of those denied justice.
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Yada, yada, yada. Long story short,
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we're going to court,
whether we want to or not.
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So you think the jury
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just might side with
the family of the dead girl?
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Our whole business is based
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on the assumption that
the First Amendment gives
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our air personalities
the right to express themselves
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without fear of retribution.
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And I don't want to give
the courts or a jury
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any reason to second-guess that.
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I'd just love to shut this down
sooner rather than later.
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If you two were inclined
to lead the fight for us...
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I'd certainly make it worth your while.
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You ever watch that lady's show?
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I have caught a little
of it here and there.
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It's hard to believe that's
what the founding fathers
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had in mind when they were
cooking up the Constitution.
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Are you trying to tell me
you'd rather not be involved?
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Madeline McBride is part of
this culture of evisceration
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that takes over cable
television every night.
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Whether it's politics
or celebrity stalking
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or true crime, it's just...
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it's just mean, man.
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Well, it might be mean,
but Madeline McBride
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and WNN are on the right
side of this thing legally.
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It's the First Amendment.
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And the problem is...
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if you don't stand up for
the people you don't agree with
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when they're being silenced,
there might not be
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a right to free speech
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when they come after the people
that you do agree with.
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Right? No less a figure
than George Washington said,
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"If freedom of speech is taken
away, then dumb and silent
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we may be led
like sheep to the slaughter."
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Your Honor,
the law of the state of New York
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is very clear... an injunction
can only be granted
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if there's proof
that the party in question
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is doing irreparable harm.
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Counsel is correct on that point.
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Is your client suffering
irreparable harm?
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Without question, Your Honor.
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Jeremy Brennan is suffering
indescribable mental anguish
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because of Madeline McBride's relentless
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and very public attacks.
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To be clear, she's accusing my client
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of the murder of his stepdaughter
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on national television,
virtually every night
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for over a month now.
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All this while he and his wife
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are dealing with the anguish
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of having lost their only child in...
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as gruesome and savage
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a rape and murder
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as I can ever recall.
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She is using her bully
pulpit to urge her viewers
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to call him out via social media.
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My client receives over
a thousand tweets a day...
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All of them hostile,
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many of them threatening...
And all of them mention
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Ms. McBride and her program by name.
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Furthermore, Mr. Brennan is
a real estate agent.
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His name... is an integral
part of his business.
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Bus benches with his name and photo
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are being defaced
with the words "pedophile"
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and "killer."
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Mr. Brennan can't even go out
in public anymore.
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And let's start with the fact
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that my client has never
been arrested or charged
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with any crime. None.
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Furthermore, there is clear evidence
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that someone else is the killer.
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There was unidentified
DNA and skin cells
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present under Kaylee's fingernails.
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Something Ms. McBride doesn't
even mention on her show.
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Your Honor,
the DNA found underneath the victim's
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fingernails could come
from anyone, anywhere.
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Possibly even...
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one of her friends on the soccer field.
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And isn't this ultimately
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about the First Amendment?
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No less a figure than
George Washington declared,
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"If freedom of speech is taken away,
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"then dumb and silent,
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we may be led
like sheep to the slaughter."
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Mr. Colón knows good and well
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that not all speech
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is protected by the First Amendment.
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The Supreme Court has
been very clear on that.
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There's a reason you can't yell fire
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in a crowded theater.
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Respectfully, Your Honor,
you can if there's smoke.
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Personally, going forward,
I would encourage
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Ms. McBride to show
a degree of sensitivity
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to Mr. Brennan, who,
as Mr. Godford points out,
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has not even been charged
with a crime at this point.
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However, I am bound
by the State of New York
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as well as the United States'
Constitution.
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Madeline McBride has a
guaranteed First Amendment right
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to state her opinion.
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Therefore, I am denying
the request for an injunction.
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Court dismissed.
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Nice job, gentlemen.
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Uh... I told you we were in good hands.
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That George Washington quote
was very moving.
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We barely said hello,
but I'm very grateful
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for what you did here today.
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And...
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I know that Kaylee is, too.
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Hi, hi, sorry!
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Forgive me for ambushing you.
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It's just that your place
was locked, but then...
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the guard downstairs recognized me
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and he said that I could
wait here for you,
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so...
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What can I do for you, Ms. McBride?
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I got a phone call about an hour ago.
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Jeremy Brennan,
Kaylee Nagle's stepfather,
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he...
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...he killed himself last night.
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Synced & corrected by -robtor-
www.addic7ed.com
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Hello?
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Yes, this is she.
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Sorry, what hospital is this?
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Oh, no, no, there must be some mistake.
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You're, like, three blocks away from me.
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My father lives in Louisiana.
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Has for the last 15 years.
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Wait, he what?
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Tonight?
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Day 42... no response
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from Jeremy Brennan or his attorneys
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regarding his availability
or willingness
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to appear on this show.
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No response from Westchester PD
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as to what their plans
are moving forward
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in regards to the Kaylee Nagle case.
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No response from the mayor.
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No response from the county supervisor.
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And that is why I've applied
for a permit
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for an organized rally across the street
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from the Brennan home.
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The scene of Kaylee's death.
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And if you live in the tri-state area,
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I do hope that you will
come down and join me
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as we let the world know
that we have some questions.
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And we want some answers!
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Our client concluded her broadcast,
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this broadcast, at 9:59.
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According to the Brennan cable
box, the program was viewed
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in both the bedroom and the family room.
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Jeremy's widow tells us
she watched it alone
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and fell asleep shortly thereafter.
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Apparently her late husband
never made it upstairs to bed.
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Sometime between 2:00 and 3:00 a.m.,
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he entered the garage,
climbed into his car,
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started the engine...
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but never opened the garage door.
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Just sat in the front seat and
waited for the carbon monoxide
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to do its job... no texts,
no note, no nothing.
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Let's talk law...
The other side is gonna have
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to prove Jeremy Brennan's
suicide was uniquely
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a result of Madeline McBride's
on-air provocations.
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And as disturbing
as what we just saw was,
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that's gonna be a very,
very difficult thing to prove.
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And yet, the six people
sitting in judgment of all this
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may have a hard time
separating what Madeline did
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from who Madeline is,
or who she appears to be.
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Taylor, you have those Q scores?
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"Q score"?
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They measure the likeability
and familiarity
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of a celebrity.
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Madeline McBride has an
extraordinarily high Q score, actually.
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Over 80% of adults
who are between the ages
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of 18 and 49 know who she is.
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Additionally, two out
of three of those 80%
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admit to watching her at
least three times a month.
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Okay. She's popular. We knew that.
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Here's the fascinating part.
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Two-thirds of that subset
that says they watch her,
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admit they don't like her.
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They find her shrill,
hysterical, judgmental, unfair.
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Most repeated comment:
"She's not a nice person."
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And therein lies the problem.
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That is our potential jury pool,
which is why
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we have to make sure
this case doesn't devolve
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into a referendum
on our client's personality.
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Now, the other side's gonna
have their hands full
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trying to prove causation,
which I'm fairly sure
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we will be able
to defend against, but...
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if this case becomes
about what that jury thinks
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about McBride's behavior as
a TV personality, we will lose.
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We can't play defense and win.
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We have to make sure
this jury understands
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this is much bigger
than a cable news TV show.
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This better be important.
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What can I do for you?
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Any progress in the
Madeline McBride of it all?
257
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Still in the midst.
258
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Actually, I had a startling
revelation a little while ago.
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Our client...
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is the Hunchback of Notre Dame.
261
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People see her...
262
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They're appalled,
but they're also fascinated.
263
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Same way they feel about the Hunchback.
264
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They can't look away.
265
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So, what the novel does,
what the movie does
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is it humanizes this person
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that people find
so frightening, so terrifying.
268
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It makes them care about him.
269
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That's what we need to do with Madeline.
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Any idea how?
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Not a clue.
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Something will come to me.
273
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But I suspect that is not why
you came to my office.
274
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Actually, I was hoping
275
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to get a couple of minutes
with the other Dr. Bull.
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The psychologist.
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00:12:37,824 --> 00:12:39,636
What's going on?
278
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My father passed away last night.
279
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COVID.
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- I'm so sorry.
- No, it's fine.
281
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I'm fine.
282
00:12:48,822 --> 00:12:50,907
Didn't even know he was sick.
283
00:12:53,609 --> 00:12:56,801
Haven't seen or spoken with him
in almost 15 years.
284
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I thought he was
in New Orleans this whole time.
285
00:13:01,199 --> 00:13:04,494
Turns out he was living
four subway stops away from me.
286
00:13:05,643 --> 00:13:07,998
Is that what you wanted
to talk to me about?
287
00:13:08,354 --> 00:13:10,167
No. No.
288
00:13:10,250 --> 00:13:12,919
Um, I wanted to talk about me.
289
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So, I got the call
at 3:00 in the morning.
290
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Hung up, went straight to sleep.
291
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Didn't cry.
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Just slept.
293
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Then I got up, came to work.
294
00:13:28,773 --> 00:13:31,150
Still haven't cried.
295
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Is that crazy?
296
00:13:36,257 --> 00:13:38,195
Well, there's a lot I don't know,
297
00:13:38,220 --> 00:13:40,222
but my suspicion is...
298
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you're not reacting yet
to what happened.
299
00:13:44,641 --> 00:13:47,496
And there's two reasons.
One, you're in shock.
300
00:13:47,521 --> 00:13:51,775
And two, your father
already left you 15 years ago.
301
00:13:51,917 --> 00:13:55,170
So, I suspect you've been mourning him
302
00:13:55,195 --> 00:13:57,865
on and off for years.
303
00:14:01,301 --> 00:14:03,512
That makes sense.
304
00:14:04,471 --> 00:14:06,765
Thank you, Dr. Bull.
305
00:14:10,352 --> 00:14:11,876
Danny?
306
00:14:13,522 --> 00:14:15,922
Sooner or later, you will cry.
307
00:14:19,152 --> 00:14:20,510
I don't know.
308
00:14:21,321 --> 00:14:23,221
He is my father.
309
00:14:23,824 --> 00:14:27,703
And it's not like
I don't have any good memories.
310
00:14:29,496 --> 00:14:31,748
But in a lot of ways,
he was a really bad guy.
311
00:14:31,832 --> 00:14:34,584
I'm just telling you,
it could be tomorrow,
312
00:14:34,668 --> 00:14:36,336
could be years from now.
313
00:14:36,361 --> 00:14:38,237
You'll be walking down the street,
314
00:14:38,380 --> 00:14:41,341
and suddenly, it hits you.
315
00:14:42,884 --> 00:14:45,053
I just want you to know it's coming.
316
00:14:45,137 --> 00:14:46,763
Okay.
317
00:14:47,453 --> 00:14:49,433
I've been warned.
318
00:14:54,062 --> 00:14:57,846
And when did the two of you become
319
00:14:57,870 --> 00:15:01,111
aware that Madeline McBride
was implicating your husband
320
00:15:01,194 --> 00:15:04,614
in the death of your child
on national television?
321
00:15:04,698 --> 00:15:07,701
Were you regular viewers of her program?
322
00:15:07,784 --> 00:15:10,787
No, I had never seen it before,
I'd-I'd never heard of her.
323
00:15:10,871 --> 00:15:14,958
Um, I'm guessing
the first time she mentioned it,
324
00:15:15,041 --> 00:15:17,961
it was a Friday night,
because I remember
325
00:15:18,044 --> 00:15:21,798
it was a Saturday morning
when we first got the tweets.
326
00:15:21,882 --> 00:15:24,259
Um, my husband
327
00:15:24,284 --> 00:15:26,245
- had his own Twitter account for,
- _
328
00:15:26,386 --> 00:15:28,305
uh, for his work.
329
00:15:28,845 --> 00:15:31,815
And he woke me up to show me the...
330
00:15:31,878 --> 00:15:33,518
ugliest messages.
331
00:15:33,602 --> 00:15:36,730
Um, and as I said,
it was a Saturday morning,
332
00:15:37,211 --> 00:15:38,482
which are always the hardest,
333
00:15:38,507 --> 00:15:40,884
because Saturdays were Kaylee's days.
334
00:15:41,026 --> 00:15:44,510
It was soccer and sleepovers,
and then...
335
00:15:45,238 --> 00:15:47,291
there were just these
336
00:15:47,330 --> 00:15:51,103
long days that we had to fill
by ourselves.
337
00:15:51,739 --> 00:15:55,040
And how did your life change
338
00:15:55,123 --> 00:15:57,834
as Madeline McBride began
339
00:15:57,918 --> 00:16:01,296
her nightly campaign
against your husband?
340
00:16:01,379 --> 00:16:03,840
After she insinuated
on national television
341
00:16:03,924 --> 00:16:08,762
that Kaylee's stepfather was
a pedophile and a killer?
342
00:16:08,845 --> 00:16:11,245
My husband was vilified.
343
00:16:13,206 --> 00:16:15,458
At the grocery store,
344
00:16:15,769 --> 00:16:18,522
at his office, everywhere he went.
345
00:16:18,605 --> 00:16:20,398
They would call him names,
346
00:16:20,482 --> 00:16:22,526
tell him to stop hiding.
347
00:16:22,551 --> 00:16:23,580
And...
348
00:16:23,605 --> 00:16:25,954
did you and Mr. Brennan ever feel
349
00:16:25,979 --> 00:16:29,358
that you were in any real danger
because of Ms. McBride?
350
00:16:29,383 --> 00:16:31,468
We did, and we were.
351
00:16:32,072 --> 00:16:34,658
In fact, the night before
Jeremy took his own life,
352
00:16:34,683 --> 00:16:37,102
someone threw a brick
through our front window.
353
00:16:37,457 --> 00:16:39,918
Your Honor, we would like to introduce
354
00:16:39,943 --> 00:16:42,821
into evidence the aforementioned brick
355
00:16:42,963 --> 00:16:45,423
that came through the Brennans' window.
356
00:16:45,448 --> 00:16:46,866
Objection, Your Honor.
357
00:16:46,891 --> 00:16:49,978
A brick thrown by an unknown
perpetrator is not relevant
358
00:16:50,003 --> 00:16:52,172
to statements made by Ms. McBride,
359
00:16:52,197 --> 00:16:55,259
and any attempt to connect
the two is speculative at best.
360
00:16:55,295 --> 00:16:57,769
Actually, the two are
very much connected,
361
00:16:57,794 --> 00:16:59,713
very much related, Your Honor.
362
00:17:00,856 --> 00:17:02,899
Sorry, Counselor.
363
00:17:02,983 --> 00:17:05,360
I think we need to see where this goes.
364
00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:08,113
Overruled.
365
00:17:08,738 --> 00:17:11,575
The brick that you're holding...
366
00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,685
There's some writing on it?
367
00:17:14,327 --> 00:17:18,206
Would you please read what it says?
368
00:17:18,832 --> 00:17:21,209
It says, "Stop Hiding Jeremy."
369
00:17:21,234 --> 00:17:23,569
And are you
familiar with that expression?
370
00:17:23,712 --> 00:17:25,797
I certainly am.
371
00:17:26,112 --> 00:17:28,425
"StopHidingJeremy" was the hashtag
372
00:17:28,450 --> 00:17:32,493
McBride told her audience
to tweet to Jeremy every night.
373
00:17:36,759 --> 00:17:38,177
You okay?
374
00:17:38,202 --> 00:17:39,369
What do you mean?
375
00:17:39,394 --> 00:17:41,688
Well, that had to be hard
to listen to in there.
376
00:17:41,713 --> 00:17:43,754
Oh. Well, I'm fine.
377
00:17:44,274 --> 00:17:47,819
I know, and I think the jury sees,
378
00:17:47,844 --> 00:17:50,054
that this is very difficult for her.
379
00:17:50,079 --> 00:17:52,582
She invited him into her house.
380
00:17:52,607 --> 00:17:54,151
She invited him into her life.
381
00:17:54,222 --> 00:17:57,058
And now her daughter is dead,
so she's lashing out at me.
382
00:17:57,083 --> 00:17:59,596
It's-it's kind of classic textbook.
383
00:17:59,638 --> 00:18:01,348
Don't you think?
384
00:18:01,373 --> 00:18:04,064
Oh. Do you disagree?
385
00:18:04,210 --> 00:18:07,005
Well, for what it's worth,
that's not what I heard.
386
00:18:07,987 --> 00:18:10,133
I heard her communicate...
387
00:18:10,158 --> 00:18:12,361
And rather effectively, I might add...
388
00:18:12,386 --> 00:18:15,020
The impact your show had on her life.
389
00:18:15,045 --> 00:18:17,840
And, by extension,
her late husband's life.
390
00:18:18,099 --> 00:18:20,166
That is what they heard.
391
00:18:21,353 --> 00:18:24,064
Let's not confuse things, Madeline.
392
00:18:24,147 --> 00:18:27,862
Jury's not here to litigate
her late husband's guilt.
393
00:18:27,887 --> 00:18:29,472
They're here to litigate yours.
394
00:18:30,134 --> 00:18:32,656
I'm guilty of nothing.
395
00:18:32,681 --> 00:18:34,099
I've killed no one.
396
00:18:34,124 --> 00:18:36,502
All I've done is exercise
my First Amendment rights,
397
00:18:36,527 --> 00:18:39,734
and, um, last time I checked,
that's not a crime.
398
00:18:39,767 --> 00:18:43,600
So, don't you confuse things.
399
00:18:43,917 --> 00:18:47,003
And don't forget
who you're here to defend.
400
00:18:52,172 --> 00:18:54,758
Dr. Soto, will you please tell the court
401
00:18:54,841 --> 00:18:56,635
what it is you do?
402
00:18:56,718 --> 00:18:58,303
I'm a licensed psychiatrist
403
00:18:58,387 --> 00:18:59,389
in the state of New York
404
00:18:59,481 --> 00:19:01,431
in private practice
in Westchester County,
405
00:19:01,515 --> 00:19:04,267
and until his death,
I saw Jeremy Brennan once a week
406
00:19:04,292 --> 00:19:06,836
for the past... just about four years.
407
00:19:06,978 --> 00:19:09,231
And can you give the court some idea
408
00:19:09,314 --> 00:19:11,650
why you were seeing the late Mr. Brennan
409
00:19:11,733 --> 00:19:13,110
these past four years?
410
00:19:13,193 --> 00:19:15,278
Well,
without going into too much detail,
411
00:19:15,362 --> 00:19:18,573
what brought Mr. Brennan
into my office was his struggle
412
00:19:18,657 --> 00:19:21,419
with issues
involving generalized anxiety.
413
00:19:21,489 --> 00:19:23,969
The stresses involved
with running your own business.
414
00:19:24,087 --> 00:19:25,455
Pretty run-of-the-mill stuff.
415
00:19:25,870 --> 00:19:28,917
And can you talk about the impact
416
00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,836
Kaylee's death had on him?
417
00:19:31,279 --> 00:19:34,548
He was, uh, shattered.
418
00:19:34,631 --> 00:19:36,239
Destroyed.
419
00:19:36,307 --> 00:19:39,970
Uh, wanted to be
this strong anchor for his wife,
420
00:19:39,995 --> 00:19:41,580
who obviously was devastated,
421
00:19:41,605 --> 00:19:43,816
and felt ashamed that he couldn't do it.
422
00:19:44,015 --> 00:19:45,475
Couldn't function.
423
00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:49,146
And then there was the
whole issue of responsibility.
424
00:19:49,229 --> 00:19:51,648
Tracy was at work, he was at home.
425
00:19:52,258 --> 00:19:54,693
The way he explained it
to me was, he could have
426
00:19:54,718 --> 00:19:56,595
just as easily been there,
been at the house,
427
00:19:56,620 --> 00:19:58,080
maybe stopped it from happening.
428
00:19:58,105 --> 00:20:00,023
But he was riding his bike.
429
00:20:00,282 --> 00:20:03,618
At one of our last sessions, he told me
430
00:20:03,643 --> 00:20:05,269
it was an incredibly beautiful ride.
431
00:20:05,412 --> 00:20:08,065
And at the time,
it gave him enormous pleasure.
432
00:20:08,906 --> 00:20:10,407
And he really had trouble understanding
433
00:20:10,432 --> 00:20:13,310
how he could experience so much pleasure
434
00:20:13,335 --> 00:20:17,227
when someone he loved so deeply
was experiencing so much horror.
435
00:20:17,288 --> 00:20:19,575
Your Honor, we mean no disrespect,
436
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,429
but it's hard to see the relevance
437
00:20:21,454 --> 00:20:22,873
of any of this testimony,
438
00:20:23,263 --> 00:20:25,515
what bearing it has on the case at hand.
439
00:20:25,599 --> 00:20:27,017
Your Honor, we believe it's essential
440
00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:30,020
for the jury to understand
Mr. Brennan's state of mind
441
00:20:30,103 --> 00:20:32,063
before Ms. McBride turned him
442
00:20:32,147 --> 00:20:34,524
into the focus of her broadcasts,
443
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:38,428
so they may better understand
the impact she had on him.
444
00:20:38,570 --> 00:20:40,489
I agree,
445
00:20:40,572 --> 00:20:42,908
but I feel confident
that you've done that.
446
00:20:42,991 --> 00:20:45,729
If we could please move it along.
447
00:20:45,753 --> 00:20:47,497
Beg the court's pardon.
448
00:20:47,589 --> 00:20:49,915
If I could just ask one last question...
449
00:20:49,998 --> 00:20:51,666
- Your Honor
- about the days before
450
00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:55,712
Ms. McBride made him the
centerpiece of her broadcasts?
451
00:20:56,072 --> 00:20:57,839
One.
452
00:20:57,923 --> 00:20:59,382
But keep it brief.
453
00:20:59,466 --> 00:21:01,510
During that period,
454
00:21:01,593 --> 00:21:04,554
immediately after Kaylee's death
455
00:21:04,638 --> 00:21:07,724
but before Ms. McBride made him
topic number one
456
00:21:07,807 --> 00:21:12,687
on her television show, did
he seem at all to you suicidal?
457
00:21:12,771 --> 00:21:14,272
As his doctor,
458
00:21:14,356 --> 00:21:17,176
were you ever really concerned
about his safety?
459
00:21:17,309 --> 00:21:18,268
No.
460
00:21:18,886 --> 00:21:21,321
He was depressed. He was angry.
461
00:21:21,346 --> 00:21:23,307
He couldn't sleep or eat.
462
00:21:23,448 --> 00:21:25,075
But he was also very clear
463
00:21:25,100 --> 00:21:26,977
that he had to be there for his wife.
464
00:21:27,118 --> 00:21:31,790
I see. And after he
was implicated by Ms. McBride?
465
00:21:31,873 --> 00:21:33,250
That was the first time I saw
466
00:21:33,275 --> 00:21:35,819
anything even resembling
suicidal ideation.
467
00:21:36,362 --> 00:21:39,047
She was on television every night
468
00:21:39,130 --> 00:21:40,757
implying awful things.
469
00:21:41,283 --> 00:21:42,884
The unrelenting tweets.
470
00:21:42,968 --> 00:21:45,136
The phone calls
in the middle of the night.
471
00:21:45,220 --> 00:21:46,930
The brick through the window.
472
00:21:47,013 --> 00:21:50,767
This rally she wanted to have
across from his house.
473
00:21:51,085 --> 00:21:54,080
I wish I hadn't been so timid about it.
474
00:21:54,380 --> 00:21:55,939
I wish I really had pushed
475
00:21:56,022 --> 00:21:57,758
to have him hospitalized.
476
00:21:58,858 --> 00:22:01,236
Nothing further, Your Honor.
477
00:22:03,582 --> 00:22:05,582
_
478
00:22:05,683 --> 00:22:07,643
Hello, Dr. Soto.
479
00:22:08,577 --> 00:22:10,062
So...
480
00:22:10,662 --> 00:22:14,291
Are you familiar
with the concept of correlation
481
00:22:14,316 --> 00:22:17,069
and how it's often confused
with causation?
482
00:22:17,210 --> 00:22:19,129
I'm familiar with it, yes.
483
00:22:19,212 --> 00:22:20,589
That even if there is
484
00:22:20,614 --> 00:22:23,408
a correlation
between Ms. McBride's actions
485
00:22:23,550 --> 00:22:26,469
and Jeremy Brennan's
depression and mental distress,
486
00:22:26,924 --> 00:22:29,264
well, that doesn't prove causation.
487
00:22:29,582 --> 00:22:32,684
No one knows for sure why Jeremy Brennan
488
00:22:32,767 --> 00:22:34,853
did what he did.
489
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,649
You don't know why Mr. Brennan
did what he did, do you?
490
00:22:43,236 --> 00:22:45,352
The witness will answer
the question, please.
491
00:22:45,376 --> 00:22:48,450
Oh, that's okay,
Your Honor. That's all right.
492
00:22:48,533 --> 00:22:50,827
I-I think the jury gets it.
493
00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:55,123
They know if the doctor, uh,
was certain about any of this,
494
00:22:55,206 --> 00:22:58,627
she would have absolutely had
Mr. Brennan hospitalized.
495
00:22:58,710 --> 00:23:00,670
A-And not just thought about it.
496
00:23:00,754 --> 00:23:03,840
You know, like, done it. Made it happen.
497
00:23:03,923 --> 00:23:07,135
But she wasn't certain.
498
00:23:07,591 --> 00:23:09,260
Were you?
499
00:23:09,888 --> 00:23:11,240
No.
500
00:23:11,326 --> 00:23:15,727
Okay, so, let's get back
to correlation and causation.
501
00:23:15,810 --> 00:23:18,313
To the best of your knowledge,
did my client
502
00:23:18,396 --> 00:23:21,941
tell Jeremy Brennan
to get on social media?
503
00:23:22,384 --> 00:23:23,902
No, not that I'm aware of.
504
00:23:23,985 --> 00:23:25,612
And, for that matter, did my client
505
00:23:25,695 --> 00:23:29,366
ever force Jeremy Brennan
to watch her TV show?
506
00:23:29,683 --> 00:23:32,661
No, I-I can't imagine she did.
507
00:23:32,978 --> 00:23:35,205
I can't imagine that, either.
508
00:23:35,288 --> 00:23:36,667
Thank you.
509
00:23:36,745 --> 00:23:38,708
No further questions, Your Honor.
510
00:23:38,792 --> 00:23:40,960
I need you to answer the door, Marissa.
511
00:23:41,044 --> 00:23:42,837
What? Answer the door?
What are you talking about?
512
00:23:42,921 --> 00:23:44,172
What door?
513
00:23:44,255 --> 00:23:46,424
Answer the door, Marissa.
514
00:23:47,926 --> 00:23:49,620
Doubt has arrived.
515
00:23:53,225 --> 00:23:56,061
Morning. Um, any way
we could have a chat?
516
00:23:56,144 --> 00:23:57,521
Sure.
517
00:23:57,604 --> 00:23:59,523
What's up?
518
00:23:59,606 --> 00:24:02,192
Um, I need a favor.
519
00:24:02,883 --> 00:24:04,945
My father passed away earlier this week.
520
00:24:05,028 --> 00:24:07,614
Oh, God, I... Danny, I'm so sorry.
521
00:24:07,698 --> 00:24:09,575
Were you close?
522
00:24:09,658 --> 00:24:11,827
I barely knew him.
523
00:24:13,477 --> 00:24:16,313
Well, that's not true. I knew him.
524
00:24:18,041 --> 00:24:19,358
And I loved him.
525
00:24:20,192 --> 00:24:22,129
But he left us... Uh, my mom and me...
526
00:24:22,212 --> 00:24:24,089
Right before
I went into the police academy.
527
00:24:24,114 --> 00:24:27,660
No goodbye. Nothing. Just, uh,
came home from school one day,
528
00:24:27,801 --> 00:24:29,660
and he was... he was gone.
529
00:24:30,345 --> 00:24:32,681
Took off with some woman.
530
00:24:34,456 --> 00:24:36,768
I haven't spoken to him in 15 years.
531
00:24:36,852 --> 00:24:38,770
So the point is, um,
532
00:24:39,295 --> 00:24:41,407
I, uh, I hired a-a company
533
00:24:41,491 --> 00:24:44,276
to go into his apartment
and box up all his things.
534
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,695
Get them out of there
so the, uh, the landlord
535
00:24:46,778 --> 00:24:48,280
can get the place ready
for a new tenant.
536
00:24:49,405 --> 00:24:51,742
Anyway, um, they just called,
537
00:24:51,825 --> 00:24:55,787
and apparently,
it's about 20-some boxes.
538
00:24:56,145 --> 00:24:58,332
And I just don't have enough room
539
00:24:58,415 --> 00:25:01,335
for all that stuff
in my tiny apartment, so...
540
00:25:01,418 --> 00:25:04,254
Is there any way
that I could store them here,
541
00:25:04,279 --> 00:25:06,072
out of the way?
542
00:25:08,216 --> 00:25:10,928
- Judge is on his way out.
- We're coming.
543
00:25:11,535 --> 00:25:14,013
After the other side questions me,
544
00:25:14,087 --> 00:25:16,266
you get to question me, too, right?
545
00:25:16,350 --> 00:25:17,935
Yes. That's how it works.
546
00:25:18,018 --> 00:25:19,478
Okay. For your last question,
547
00:25:19,561 --> 00:25:22,481
just make sure you ask me
how I got into all of this.
548
00:25:22,564 --> 00:25:25,359
What makes me care so deeply
for victims of crime.
549
00:25:25,442 --> 00:25:29,261
What makes me care so deeply
for people like Kaylee.
550
00:25:30,137 --> 00:25:32,032
Hmm?
551
00:25:35,225 --> 00:25:37,245
No evidence of forced entry.
552
00:25:37,329 --> 00:25:40,123
No real alibi for the time period
553
00:25:40,207 --> 00:25:43,001
during which Kaylee was
sexually assaulted and murdered.
554
00:25:43,085 --> 00:25:46,004
I mean, he claimed
he went on a bike ride,
555
00:25:46,088 --> 00:25:47,881
but no one actually saw him.
556
00:25:47,906 --> 00:25:49,824
So, he just seemed
557
00:25:49,967 --> 00:25:52,844
like someone that you would want
to get answers from.
558
00:25:53,535 --> 00:25:56,515
You know what they say
about walking like a duck.
559
00:25:57,122 --> 00:25:58,725
Any more questions
560
00:25:58,809 --> 00:25:59,893
for this witness, Counselor?
561
00:25:59,977 --> 00:26:02,813
Yes, Your Honor. Just one more.
562
00:26:03,605 --> 00:26:04,964
So,
563
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,484
Ms. McBride,
564
00:26:07,716 --> 00:26:09,319
we've all
565
00:26:09,403 --> 00:26:10,862
seen you on television.
566
00:26:10,946 --> 00:26:12,930
We've all seen you in action.
567
00:26:13,782 --> 00:26:16,475
So, how did you come to this?
568
00:26:17,327 --> 00:26:21,331
How did you come to be
a champion of justice?
569
00:26:21,356 --> 00:26:24,024
A champion of victims like Kaylee?
570
00:26:28,130 --> 00:26:30,698
Like a lot of things in life...
571
00:26:32,634 --> 00:26:34,970
...you never see it coming.
572
00:26:36,555 --> 00:26:38,323
20 years ago,
573
00:26:38,998 --> 00:26:40,392
I was married.
574
00:26:40,417 --> 00:26:42,836
I was living in Indiana.
575
00:26:42,861 --> 00:26:44,613
It was, like...
576
00:26:44,813 --> 00:26:48,900
nine or ten weeks after 9/11.
577
00:26:49,258 --> 00:26:51,611
It was Black Friday.
578
00:26:51,695 --> 00:26:54,197
I was doing my patriotic duty
579
00:26:54,222 --> 00:26:56,683
by getting some
early Christmas shopping done.
580
00:26:56,708 --> 00:26:58,559
And my three-year-old,
581
00:26:59,935 --> 00:27:01,353
David...
582
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,792
He was at that in-between age.
583
00:27:05,876 --> 00:27:09,087
You know, they want to be carried,
584
00:27:09,171 --> 00:27:11,923
and, oh, no,
they want to walk on their own
585
00:27:12,007 --> 00:27:13,300
or they want to hold your hand.
586
00:27:13,383 --> 00:27:16,136
It's like, no, no, they want to be free.
587
00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:20,432
Anyway, my husband at the time
588
00:27:20,515 --> 00:27:22,624
was in some other part of the mall.
589
00:27:23,375 --> 00:27:27,272
And I saw out of the corner of my eye
590
00:27:27,671 --> 00:27:33,403
this robot pet
that was so popular that year.
591
00:27:33,487 --> 00:27:36,656
I mean, it was sold out everywhere.
592
00:27:36,740 --> 00:27:39,868
And then there it was.
593
00:27:40,434 --> 00:27:43,520
Magically, right in front of me.
594
00:27:44,581 --> 00:27:47,459
So, I grabbed David's hand,
595
00:27:47,484 --> 00:27:50,487
and we walked over to where they were.
596
00:27:52,214 --> 00:27:55,926
I remember that the aisle
597
00:27:56,009 --> 00:28:00,472
was so very crowded.
598
00:28:00,555 --> 00:28:03,767
People and shopping carts
599
00:28:03,850 --> 00:28:06,478
and winter clothes.
600
00:28:07,938 --> 00:28:10,941
It seems so stupid now.
601
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:14,861
Anyway...
602
00:28:16,905 --> 00:28:18,490
I grabbed the toy,
603
00:28:18,573 --> 00:28:20,826
and then I realized that I...
604
00:28:20,909 --> 00:28:23,370
I didn't want David to see it.
605
00:28:23,453 --> 00:28:25,372
I didn't want him to know
606
00:28:25,455 --> 00:28:29,835
that Mommy was getting him
the toy and not Santa.
607
00:28:30,275 --> 00:28:33,505
So I switched hands for a second.
608
00:28:33,821 --> 00:28:35,507
And...
609
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:37,843
And then I looked down.
610
00:28:43,306 --> 00:28:45,559
He wasn't there.
611
00:28:46,685 --> 00:28:49,563
You can figure out the rest.
612
00:28:49,646 --> 00:28:51,898
It was, like, me, my husband,
613
00:28:51,923 --> 00:28:56,177
the police... We were all over that mall
614
00:28:56,718 --> 00:28:58,905
until they locked the doors
615
00:28:59,255 --> 00:29:01,473
and made us leave.
616
00:29:05,078 --> 00:29:07,354
He was just...
617
00:29:09,499 --> 00:29:10,816
...gone.
618
00:29:12,836 --> 00:29:14,403
I'm so sorry.
619
00:29:16,238 --> 00:29:18,258
I was desperate,
620
00:29:18,699 --> 00:29:20,385
so...
621
00:29:20,909 --> 00:29:22,304
I went to the media.
622
00:29:22,387 --> 00:29:24,681
I didn't even know what the media was.
623
00:29:24,764 --> 00:29:26,081
But...
624
00:29:27,082 --> 00:29:30,562
I wanted David's picture
625
00:29:30,587 --> 00:29:33,630
and his name everywhere.
626
00:29:34,274 --> 00:29:39,029
You know, just in case somebody saw him.
627
00:29:39,821 --> 00:29:42,931
And I-I wouldn't let up.
628
00:29:43,825 --> 00:29:46,661
Not even after my husband
629
00:29:46,686 --> 00:29:49,188
stopped speaking to me.
630
00:29:50,999 --> 00:29:53,627
Not even after he left me.
631
00:29:53,710 --> 00:29:54,985
But...
632
00:29:58,006 --> 00:30:02,010
I just couldn't stop.
633
00:30:05,889 --> 00:30:07,664
My son's...
634
00:30:08,183 --> 00:30:12,479
body washed up
on the shore of the Patoka Lake
635
00:30:12,794 --> 00:30:14,606
a few weeks later.
636
00:30:14,631 --> 00:30:16,298
And...
637
00:30:16,858 --> 00:30:20,445
I guess everyone figured
638
00:30:20,528 --> 00:30:22,614
that was that.
639
00:30:25,575 --> 00:30:27,434
But not for me.
640
00:30:28,370 --> 00:30:32,165
I went everywhere
there was a microphone.
641
00:30:32,249 --> 00:30:34,834
Uh, radio stations.
642
00:30:34,918 --> 00:30:36,169
Colleges.
643
00:30:36,253 --> 00:30:40,257
I just... I kept pushing
644
00:30:40,340 --> 00:30:44,010
because I wanted the scalp
645
00:30:44,094 --> 00:30:46,703
of the man who kidnapped
646
00:30:47,889 --> 00:30:50,976
my son and murdered him.
647
00:30:52,811 --> 00:30:54,604
And then, finally...
648
00:30:57,107 --> 00:30:59,401
I got it.
649
00:31:03,613 --> 00:31:05,407
The police found him.
650
00:31:05,490 --> 00:31:08,159
'Cause, you know,
they never dared stop looking
651
00:31:08,243 --> 00:31:11,997
'cause I was screaming
from the rooftops.
652
00:31:14,791 --> 00:31:17,585
I got justice.
653
00:31:21,881 --> 00:31:24,342
I speak for the dead.
654
00:31:26,713 --> 00:31:28,829
Like my son.
655
00:31:34,102 --> 00:31:36,521
And like Kaylee.
656
00:31:39,899 --> 00:31:41,484
Told you I knew what I was doing.
657
00:31:41,568 --> 00:31:43,528
That was quite a piece of testimony.
658
00:31:43,611 --> 00:31:45,322
Any of it true?
659
00:31:46,245 --> 00:31:48,706
Yeah, step on in. Close the door?
660
00:31:51,494 --> 00:31:55,790
I'm here to inform you that WNN
is withdrawing from the case.
661
00:31:55,874 --> 00:31:57,239
Excuse me?
662
00:31:57,264 --> 00:31:59,015
Also that our lawyers are
on the phone with your lawyers
663
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,310
negotiating the dissolution
664
00:32:00,335 --> 00:32:01,586
of your contract with our network.
665
00:32:01,611 --> 00:32:03,905
As of now,
you are off the air, Madeline.
666
00:32:04,281 --> 00:32:06,343
What's going on?
667
00:32:06,368 --> 00:32:07,995
The man who killed Kaylee?
668
00:32:08,136 --> 00:32:09,554
They caught him about an hour ago.
669
00:32:09,637 --> 00:32:11,056
Confessed to everything.
670
00:32:11,139 --> 00:32:12,557
What are you talking about?
671
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,638
The man who killed Kaylee
was her stepfather.
672
00:32:14,663 --> 00:32:16,248
No, he wasn't.
673
00:32:16,770 --> 00:32:19,439
Look, the word is starting to
get out, and people are starting
674
00:32:19,464 --> 00:32:20,716
to gather in front of the courthouse.
675
00:32:20,857 --> 00:32:22,108
They're looking for you.
676
00:32:22,192 --> 00:32:23,582
So I'd arrange for some extra security
677
00:32:23,678 --> 00:32:25,844
to get her out of here? Yeah?
678
00:32:31,809 --> 00:32:33,394
The killer was a man named Wayne Dixon.
679
00:32:34,117 --> 00:32:35,368
He was working a construction job
680
00:32:35,452 --> 00:32:37,370
down the street from the Brennan home.
681
00:32:37,454 --> 00:32:41,082
Dixon had apparently targeted
Kaylee a few weeks earlier.
682
00:32:41,166 --> 00:32:42,417
He was watching the house
683
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:44,210
and saw Jeremy ride away on his bike.
684
00:32:44,294 --> 00:32:46,498
Dixon claims he approached the house,
685
00:32:46,523 --> 00:32:48,316
said he was a friend of Kaylee's dad,
686
00:32:48,594 --> 00:32:50,177
and she let him in,
687
00:32:50,202 --> 00:32:52,761
which is why there is
no evidence of forced entry.
688
00:32:53,914 --> 00:32:56,931
Is there anything in there
about how the police knew
689
00:32:57,015 --> 00:32:58,433
to question Dixon in the first place?
690
00:32:58,516 --> 00:33:00,352
How did he come to their attention?
691
00:33:00,435 --> 00:33:02,937
Well, according to this, they got a tip.
692
00:33:03,021 --> 00:33:05,565
Dixon's girlfriend. Why?
693
00:33:06,179 --> 00:33:07,904
We're in court at 11:00.
694
00:33:07,988 --> 00:33:10,574
See if you can find the girlfriend.
695
00:33:10,657 --> 00:33:12,909
See if you can get her
on the phone with me.
696
00:33:13,308 --> 00:33:15,579
Ms. James, stacked all
the boxes downstairs
697
00:33:15,662 --> 00:33:16,913
in that courtroom like you told me.
698
00:33:16,997 --> 00:33:18,790
Thanks so much for all your help.
699
00:33:18,873 --> 00:33:20,792
And I almost forgot.
The person who helped pack up
700
00:33:20,817 --> 00:33:23,570
your dad's things wanted me
to give you this.
701
00:33:23,712 --> 00:33:24,796
Thanks.
702
00:33:24,879 --> 00:33:26,196
Have a great day.
703
00:33:28,448 --> 00:33:30,135
Good morning, Ms. Cowley.
704
00:33:30,218 --> 00:33:34,306
Now, could you please
tell the court what it was
705
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:37,267
that prompted you to call the police
on your boyfriend Wayne Dixon?
706
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:39,004
Uh, yeah, I-I don't know.
707
00:33:39,072 --> 00:33:42,606
Um, Wayne was working
construction in Westchester,
708
00:33:42,689 --> 00:33:45,358
and, uh, since he started,
709
00:33:45,442 --> 00:33:48,194
he just seemed different, distant,
710
00:33:48,219 --> 00:33:50,054
you know, like he was preoccupied
711
00:33:50,079 --> 00:33:52,207
with something or-or someone.
712
00:33:52,764 --> 00:33:54,826
And then, a few nights later,
713
00:33:54,851 --> 00:33:58,564
I found him out back,
burning his clothes.
714
00:33:58,705 --> 00:34:01,833
I mean, why would you burn your clothes?
715
00:34:01,916 --> 00:34:05,670
He said he got some type of
toxic chemical on them at work.
716
00:34:05,754 --> 00:34:09,507
But he does framing
and drywall. I-I don't know.
717
00:34:09,591 --> 00:34:11,718
It just... it didn't seem right to me.
718
00:34:11,801 --> 00:34:14,095
Now, is that when you phoned the police?
719
00:34:14,661 --> 00:34:16,973
Uh, no, no, not yet.
720
00:34:17,057 --> 00:34:22,020
Um, what really got me thinking
was, all of a sudden,
721
00:34:22,103 --> 00:34:24,606
he wanted to start watching
Madeline McBride's show
722
00:34:24,689 --> 00:34:25,607
with me all of a sudden.
723
00:34:25,690 --> 00:34:28,443
Like, he never wanted
to watch that show before.
724
00:34:28,526 --> 00:34:31,052
He did not like her.
725
00:34:31,613 --> 00:34:32,697
No offense.
726
00:34:32,781 --> 00:34:35,742
I'm sorry. I-I love you,
and I love your show so much.
727
00:34:35,825 --> 00:34:37,494
Go,
728
00:34:37,577 --> 00:34:39,134
- Quasimodo.
- Um...
729
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,831
So, anyway, he started
watching it with me.
730
00:34:41,915 --> 00:34:44,209
And whenever she'd bring up the case,
731
00:34:44,292 --> 00:34:47,837
he'd always say how he was
working in that neighborhood
732
00:34:47,921 --> 00:34:51,549
and he knew the house that
she was talking about, and...
733
00:34:51,633 --> 00:34:54,177
And did you know
your boyfriend was interested
734
00:34:54,260 --> 00:34:56,429
in prepubescent girls?
735
00:34:57,746 --> 00:34:59,099
I don't know.
736
00:35:00,433 --> 00:35:02,686
We never talked about it.
737
00:35:04,979 --> 00:35:09,984
But... whenever we were
at the beach or at the park...
738
00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:14,447
...I thought I always saw him looking.
739
00:35:16,321 --> 00:35:19,491
Then I thought
maybe it was just in my mind.
740
00:35:20,495 --> 00:35:22,914
And what did you tell the police
when you called them?
741
00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:25,109
I knew from her show
742
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,336
that Kaylee had DNA on her
that hadn't been identified.
743
00:35:28,420 --> 00:35:32,090
So, I called them,
and I offered Wayne's hairbrush.
744
00:35:32,822 --> 00:35:34,592
And how did you know to do that?
745
00:35:34,676 --> 00:35:35,760
From her show.
746
00:35:35,844 --> 00:35:38,638
She talked about how DNA
from a hairbrush caught a killer
747
00:35:38,722 --> 00:35:41,641
she was profiling a couple years back.
748
00:35:42,267 --> 00:35:46,253
Well, it's lucky you watched her show.
749
00:35:46,855 --> 00:35:48,356
Did you know that tips
750
00:35:48,381 --> 00:35:51,384
from Ms. McBride's viewers have helped
751
00:35:51,526 --> 00:35:54,237
in solving over one hundred cases
752
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,614
since the show first aired?
753
00:35:56,698 --> 00:35:58,181
No.
754
00:35:58,742 --> 00:36:00,910
I just think she's really smart
755
00:36:00,994 --> 00:36:02,561
and cool.
756
00:36:03,204 --> 00:36:06,583
Just really good at her job.
757
00:36:07,375 --> 00:36:09,502
Sanctuary.
758
00:36:25,333 --> 00:36:30,148
"Dear Danny James, you don't
know me, but my name is Devon.
759
00:36:31,175 --> 00:36:33,738
"Some years ago,
I got to know your father.
760
00:36:34,092 --> 00:36:36,488
"We met and fell in love in New York,
761
00:36:37,196 --> 00:36:39,007
"and eventually, I convinced him
762
00:36:39,032 --> 00:36:42,994
"to come live with me
in Louisiana where I'm from.
763
00:36:43,768 --> 00:36:47,499
"I did not know at the time
about you or your mother.
764
00:36:48,273 --> 00:36:51,919
"Three months after we settled
down in Louisiana,
765
00:36:52,020 --> 00:36:55,632
"your father confessed to me
about the family he had left.
766
00:36:55,715 --> 00:36:58,635
"Told me that he could no longer
bear the guilt
767
00:36:58,718 --> 00:37:01,346
"and needed to go back to you.
768
00:37:01,429 --> 00:37:03,330
"I did not stand in his way.
769
00:37:06,124 --> 00:37:07,560
"He told me when he got to New York,
770
00:37:07,644 --> 00:37:09,854
"your mother refused to speak to him.
771
00:37:10,337 --> 00:37:12,524
"Warned him that if he
tried to make contact with you
772
00:37:12,607 --> 00:37:14,984
"that she would kill him.
773
00:37:17,177 --> 00:37:19,197
"He told me he found a small apartment
774
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,533
"and got a job working
teaching physical education
775
00:37:21,616 --> 00:37:23,368
"at an art school.
776
00:37:23,451 --> 00:37:25,477
"Even taught himself to sketch.
777
00:37:27,812 --> 00:37:30,041
"Over the years he tried
to build up the courage
778
00:37:30,124 --> 00:37:32,043
"to reach out to you,
779
00:37:32,484 --> 00:37:34,546
"but he told me he was
so filled with guilt
780
00:37:34,629 --> 00:37:37,048
"and shame for leaving you,
781
00:37:37,073 --> 00:37:38,700
"he just couldn't do it.
782
00:37:39,366 --> 00:37:43,555
"And then one day,
he was looking out his window,
783
00:37:43,638 --> 00:37:45,056
"and there you were.
784
00:37:45,139 --> 00:37:46,224
"Walking by.
785
00:37:46,307 --> 00:37:47,767
"He figured you were probably
making your way home
786
00:37:47,851 --> 00:37:49,602
"from the police academy.
787
00:37:49,686 --> 00:37:53,523
"He said he saw you maybe ten
or 20 times from that window,
788
00:37:53,606 --> 00:37:55,632
"but then, no more.
789
00:37:56,986 --> 00:37:59,590
"I didn't hear from your father
again for many years.
790
00:38:00,481 --> 00:38:02,699
"And then about three weeks ago,
he called
791
00:38:02,782 --> 00:38:05,536
"to tell me he was very sick.
792
00:38:05,622 --> 00:38:07,912
"I flew to New York, but by the time
793
00:38:07,996 --> 00:38:10,410
"I got there he was already
in the hospital.
794
00:38:11,585 --> 00:38:15,972
So I'm writing to let you
know what he told me.
795
00:38:16,056 --> 00:38:18,798
"That he wanted you to know
he was terribly sorry.
796
00:38:19,674 --> 00:38:21,593
"And he wanted you to know
797
00:38:21,676 --> 00:38:23,076
he loved you."
798
00:38:33,855 --> 00:38:37,609
Jeremy Brennan's suicide is
799
00:38:37,692 --> 00:38:40,111
undeniably tragic.
800
00:38:40,194 --> 00:38:43,072
And no one will ever know with certainty
801
00:38:43,097 --> 00:38:46,016
why he decided to take his own life.
802
00:38:47,410 --> 00:38:50,246
But you know what we do know
with certainty?
803
00:38:50,705 --> 00:38:53,458
That Kaylee's killer was caught.
804
00:38:53,541 --> 00:38:56,867
And that's, at least in part, due
805
00:38:56,928 --> 00:38:58,630
to Madeline McBride...
806
00:38:59,571 --> 00:39:01,925
for keeping Kaylee's story alive.
807
00:39:02,842 --> 00:39:06,137
But she was only able to do it
808
00:39:06,220 --> 00:39:09,974
because her freedom of speech
allowed her to do it.
809
00:39:10,540 --> 00:39:13,210
See, that's the tricky thing
about freedom of speech.
810
00:39:13,277 --> 00:39:15,029
It-it cuts both ways.
811
00:39:15,112 --> 00:39:17,907
See, people have the freedom
812
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:21,244
to say whatever it is they want to say.
813
00:39:21,327 --> 00:39:24,121
And everyone else has the freedom, uh,
814
00:39:24,146 --> 00:39:26,690
not to listen, not to believe
815
00:39:26,715 --> 00:39:28,247
and to do their own research
816
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,744
and come up with their own conclusions.
817
00:39:30,802 --> 00:39:32,888
I mean, that's what Carla Cowley did.
818
00:39:32,913 --> 00:39:34,331
You heard her.
819
00:39:34,356 --> 00:39:36,316
She loved that woman.
820
00:39:36,717 --> 00:39:39,095
But she did not let the fact
821
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,372
that for over a month, she heard
822
00:39:41,397 --> 00:39:44,544
Madeline McBride,
who thought that Jeremy Brennan
823
00:39:44,569 --> 00:39:46,259
probably committed the murder,
824
00:39:46,284 --> 00:39:48,119
stop her from picking up the phone
825
00:39:48,144 --> 00:39:50,830
and calling the police
when she was convinced
826
00:39:51,023 --> 00:39:52,999
my client was mistaken.
827
00:39:53,693 --> 00:39:55,486
Look, I...
828
00:39:55,570 --> 00:39:56,795
I get it.
829
00:39:57,016 --> 00:39:59,227
Okay? I get it. She was...
830
00:39:59,252 --> 00:40:00,545
she was wrong.
831
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:01,851
Wrong on the facts.
832
00:40:01,876 --> 00:40:03,586
Unnecessarily harsh.
833
00:40:03,611 --> 00:40:05,572
And there were times
I felt that she took
834
00:40:06,205 --> 00:40:08,056
way too much pleasure
835
00:40:08,081 --> 00:40:11,376
in her ongoing campaign
against Jeremy Brennan.
836
00:40:12,490 --> 00:40:13,991
But you know what?
837
00:40:14,422 --> 00:40:17,165
That is not against the law.
838
00:40:17,323 --> 00:40:19,742
And the problem is...
839
00:40:20,219 --> 00:40:21,736
if you don't stand up
840
00:40:21,939 --> 00:40:24,901
for the people you don't
necessarily agree with
841
00:40:25,391 --> 00:40:27,435
when someone is trying to silence them,
842
00:40:27,518 --> 00:40:31,105
then there might not be
the right to free speech left
843
00:40:31,130 --> 00:40:34,717
when they go after the people
you do agree with.
844
00:40:34,859 --> 00:40:37,318
In the matter of Tracy Brennan v.
845
00:40:37,414 --> 00:40:39,289
Madeline McBride and the claim
846
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:42,450
of intentional infliction
of emotional distress...
847
00:40:42,882 --> 00:40:45,849
we, the jury,
find Madeline McBride liable.
848
00:40:48,324 --> 00:40:51,155
And we award Tracy Brennan damages
849
00:40:51,180 --> 00:40:54,681
in the amount of two
and one half million dollars.
850
00:40:56,155 --> 00:40:57,740
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury,
851
00:40:57,765 --> 00:40:59,292
thank you for your service.
852
00:40:59,317 --> 00:41:00,942
Court is adjourned.
853
00:41:05,258 --> 00:41:08,178
Ms. McBride. I'm very sorry.
854
00:41:08,434 --> 00:41:11,077
Don't be, you did your best.
855
00:41:13,852 --> 00:41:15,396
But you lost your job.
856
00:41:15,421 --> 00:41:17,214
You're about to get
a boatload of bad publicity.
857
00:41:17,610 --> 00:41:20,071
And today is gonna cost you
two and a half million dollars.
858
00:41:20,336 --> 00:41:22,198
Help me understand.
859
00:41:22,223 --> 00:41:24,225
You seem to have made your peace
860
00:41:24,250 --> 00:41:25,758
with this rather quickly.
861
00:41:25,939 --> 00:41:28,511
Well, two and a half million?
862
00:41:28,829 --> 00:41:32,208
That's why God created
personal liability insurance.
863
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:35,670
And the boatload of publicity?
864
00:41:35,753 --> 00:41:37,546
I love it.
865
00:41:37,630 --> 00:41:39,090
Good or bad,
866
00:41:39,115 --> 00:41:40,825
it keeps me in the zeitgeist.
867
00:41:40,850 --> 00:41:43,436
And it will come in handy
868
00:41:43,461 --> 00:41:46,088
when I sit down to cut my new deal.
869
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:48,808
A new deal?
870
00:41:51,130 --> 00:41:53,382
See, people like me?
871
00:41:53,646 --> 00:41:55,556
People who have the courage to say
872
00:41:55,588 --> 00:41:59,176
what everyone else is thinking
even if we're wrong?
873
00:41:59,318 --> 00:42:02,128
We always draw a big crowd.
874
00:42:02,861 --> 00:42:04,989
And trust me,
875
00:42:05,014 --> 00:42:06,382
after today...
876
00:42:07,275 --> 00:42:09,653
the crowd will only be bigger, huh?
877
00:42:09,890 --> 00:42:11,721
Thank you, gentlemen.
878
00:42:12,366 --> 00:42:13,932
Don't forget to send me your bill.
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