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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,396 - For years UFO researchers claimed the US 2 00:00:51,430 --> 00:00:53,570 government was running a secret program 3 00:00:53,605 --> 00:00:56,642 to research and investigate the phenomenon. 4 00:00:56,677 --> 00:00:58,817 Time and time again the authorities denied 5 00:00:58,851 --> 00:01:01,647 everything telling the media and the public 6 00:01:01,682 --> 00:01:04,685 there was no official interest in the subject. 7 00:01:04,719 --> 00:01:09,690 Then in December 2017 came a bombshell revelation. 8 00:01:10,415 --> 00:01:13,832 On this occasion the conspiracy theories were true. 9 00:01:13,866 --> 00:01:16,697 There really was a secret government UFO project 10 00:01:16,731 --> 00:01:20,045 and when the story broke, it wasn't on a UFO 11 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,117 website or a conspiracy blog, it was on 12 00:01:23,152 --> 00:01:26,845 the front page of the New York Times. 13 00:01:26,879 --> 00:01:28,364 My name's Nick Pope. 14 00:01:28,398 --> 00:01:32,126 I worked at the UK Ministry of Defense for 21 years, 15 00:01:32,161 --> 00:01:35,578 and I used to run the British government's UFO project. 16 00:01:35,612 --> 00:01:39,168 Using my inside knowledge of government and my direct 17 00:01:39,202 --> 00:01:42,757 experience of having run a similar program I'm going 18 00:01:42,792 --> 00:01:46,244 to tell the story of the Pentagon's secret UFO project. 19 00:01:47,348 --> 00:01:49,350 It's a big story. 20 00:01:49,385 --> 00:01:52,284 It involves the government, the intelligence community, 21 00:01:52,319 --> 00:01:55,632 and the military industrial complex. 22 00:01:55,667 --> 00:01:58,980 And it's a bizarre story with a colorful cast of characters 23 00:01:59,015 --> 00:02:02,156 that includes not just politicians and shadowy 24 00:02:02,191 --> 00:02:05,470 intelligence community figures but a billionaire 25 00:02:05,504 --> 00:02:08,300 businessman and even a rockstar. 26 00:02:08,335 --> 00:02:12,373 This is the inside story of a UFO program so cleverly 27 00:02:12,408 --> 00:02:16,136 hidden that its title didn't mention UFOs at all. 28 00:02:16,170 --> 00:02:18,690 This is the story of AATIP, the Advanced 29 00:02:18,724 --> 00:02:21,934 Aerospace Threat Identification Program. 30 00:02:33,636 --> 00:02:37,881 To tell the full story of AATIP we need to go back in time. 31 00:02:37,916 --> 00:02:41,644 We need to go back over 70 years to when it all began. 32 00:02:43,093 --> 00:02:47,995 On June 24th 1947 a pilot, Kenneth Arnold, 33 00:02:48,029 --> 00:02:51,481 saw nine strange craft flying in formation 34 00:02:51,516 --> 00:02:54,898 over the Cascade mountains in Washington state 35 00:02:54,933 --> 00:02:58,523 traveling at a speed of well over 1000 miles an hour. 36 00:02:59,903 --> 00:03:01,836 The media got wind of the story and labeled these 37 00:03:01,871 --> 00:03:06,186 mystery objects flying saucers or flying disks. 38 00:03:06,220 --> 00:03:09,223 Further reports came in from other locations in 39 00:03:09,258 --> 00:03:13,503 the United States and from countries all around the world. 40 00:03:13,538 --> 00:03:15,747 What were these strange craft? 41 00:03:15,781 --> 00:03:16,886 What were they doing? 42 00:03:16,920 --> 00:03:18,232 And who was flying them? 43 00:03:19,647 --> 00:03:23,513 Then as flying saucer fever swept across the nation, 44 00:03:23,548 --> 00:03:27,345 in early July 1947, something crashed in 45 00:03:27,379 --> 00:03:31,349 the New Mexico desert close to an Army air field. 46 00:03:31,383 --> 00:03:34,731 The name of this base was Roswell. 47 00:03:35,905 --> 00:03:38,735 Wreckage from the crash was gathered up from a local ranch 48 00:03:38,770 --> 00:03:42,325 by military intelligence officers stationed at Roswell. 49 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,260 Then in an extraordinary turn of events, the US military 50 00:03:46,295 --> 00:03:49,367 reached out to the media and let it be known 51 00:03:49,401 --> 00:03:52,335 that they'd recovered one of these strange craft. 52 00:03:52,370 --> 00:03:56,166 A news release read as follows: 53 00:03:58,272 --> 00:04:01,517 ♪♪ 54 00:04:10,526 --> 00:04:14,323 At the time, the 509th Bomb Group was the only 55 00:04:14,357 --> 00:04:18,016 atomic bomb capable squadron anywhere in the world. 56 00:04:19,397 --> 00:04:22,779 Roswell was arguably the most strategically important 57 00:04:22,814 --> 00:04:25,437 military base on the face of the planet. 58 00:04:26,852 --> 00:04:30,408 Unbelievably within 24 hours the military issued 59 00:04:30,442 --> 00:04:33,031 a follow up report claiming that the object 60 00:04:33,065 --> 00:04:35,344 had simply been a weather balloon. 61 00:04:35,378 --> 00:04:37,311 Could the military intelligence personnel 62 00:04:37,346 --> 00:04:40,072 at this elite military unit really have 63 00:04:40,107 --> 00:04:43,352 misidentified debris from a weather balloon? 64 00:04:43,386 --> 00:04:46,113 It's stretching credulity to breaking point 65 00:04:46,147 --> 00:04:48,943 especially as the area concerned saw numerous 66 00:04:48,978 --> 00:04:51,118 weather balloon launches and personnel 67 00:04:51,152 --> 00:04:53,293 at Roswell were familiar with what these 68 00:04:53,327 --> 00:04:55,571 balloons looked like when they came down. 69 00:04:56,710 --> 00:04:58,677 Some believe the weather balloon explanation 70 00:04:58,712 --> 00:05:01,887 was a cover story hastily ordered by senior 71 00:05:01,922 --> 00:05:04,821 military officers horrified that personnel 72 00:05:04,856 --> 00:05:08,687 at Roswell had revealed they'd recovered a flying disk. 73 00:05:08,722 --> 00:05:11,103 Some believe this was the beginning of a UFO 74 00:05:11,138 --> 00:05:14,866 cover up that has lasted over 70 years but which 75 00:05:14,900 --> 00:05:19,491 might now as we'll see finally be coming to an end. 76 00:05:20,872 --> 00:05:23,357 After Kenneth Arnold's flying saucer sighting, 77 00:05:23,392 --> 00:05:26,464 after Roswell, and with similar sightings coming 78 00:05:26,498 --> 00:05:29,259 in from all over the US, it was clear that 79 00:05:29,294 --> 00:05:31,710 the government needed to take action. 80 00:05:31,745 --> 00:05:35,404 Military intelligence specialists studied the problem, 81 00:05:35,438 --> 00:05:38,338 theories were formulated, reports were written 82 00:05:38,372 --> 00:05:41,479 but nobody could agree what these objects were. 83 00:05:42,687 --> 00:05:44,827 There were four main theories. 84 00:05:44,861 --> 00:05:47,277 The first was that all sightings could be written 85 00:05:47,312 --> 00:05:52,317 off as mirages, misidentifications, hoaxes, or delusions. 86 00:05:53,283 --> 00:05:55,976 A second theory was that flying disks were secret 87 00:05:56,010 --> 00:05:59,497 prototype aircraft or missiles operated by another 88 00:05:59,531 --> 00:06:02,016 part of the US government. 89 00:06:02,051 --> 00:06:05,019 With information compartmentalized and restricted 90 00:06:05,054 --> 00:06:08,022 to those with a need to know, was it possible 91 00:06:08,057 --> 00:06:10,093 that one part of the government didn't know 92 00:06:10,128 --> 00:06:11,819 what another part was up to? 93 00:06:13,338 --> 00:06:15,409 The third theory was a variation on the second 94 00:06:15,444 --> 00:06:18,447 but suggested these missiles or aircraft 95 00:06:18,481 --> 00:06:22,416 weren't American but belonged to the Soviet Union. 96 00:06:22,451 --> 00:06:24,625 Might the Russians have developed long 97 00:06:24,660 --> 00:06:26,800 range missiles or aircraft? 98 00:06:26,834 --> 00:06:29,216 And could they be probing US air defenses, 99 00:06:29,250 --> 00:06:33,013 gathering intelligence, looking for weaknesses? 100 00:06:33,047 --> 00:06:35,429 It was a terrifying thought. 101 00:06:35,464 --> 00:06:38,984 The final theory began as a minority report 102 00:06:39,019 --> 00:06:41,539 but gained ground steadily. 103 00:06:41,573 --> 00:06:43,506 The theory was that these objects 104 00:06:43,541 --> 00:06:46,785 were extraterrestrial spacecraft. 105 00:06:46,820 --> 00:06:49,374 Whatever the truth, the US government 106 00:06:49,409 --> 00:06:52,895 and military needed to know and fast. 107 00:06:52,929 --> 00:06:55,035 While much of the research and investigation 108 00:06:55,069 --> 00:06:58,072 was done in secret, behind closed doors, military 109 00:06:58,107 --> 00:07:01,386 commanders recognized that if they wanted to amass 110 00:07:01,421 --> 00:07:04,562 evidence they needed to ensure that people who saw 111 00:07:04,596 --> 00:07:09,187 these mystery objects could report them to the authorities. 112 00:07:09,221 --> 00:07:13,018 The United States was about to get the UFO project. 113 00:07:14,468 --> 00:07:16,574 The US government's UFO research and investigation 114 00:07:16,608 --> 00:07:21,579 program operated from 1947 through to the end of 1969. 115 00:07:23,235 --> 00:07:28,171 It ran under three names, Project Sign, Project Grudge, 116 00:07:28,206 --> 00:07:31,381 and most famously of all Project Blue Book. 117 00:07:35,109 --> 00:07:38,354 Project Blue Book investigated over 12,000 sightings 118 00:07:38,388 --> 00:07:43,393 of which precisely 701 remained unexplained. 119 00:07:44,843 --> 00:07:47,294 These included cases where the witnesses were police 120 00:07:47,328 --> 00:07:50,677 officers, military personnel, and pilots. 121 00:07:50,711 --> 00:07:52,851 And cases where visual sightings were 122 00:07:52,886 --> 00:07:55,751 corroborated by radar evidence. 123 00:07:55,785 --> 00:07:59,340 In many cases objects demonstrated speeds and maneuvers 124 00:07:59,375 --> 00:08:02,205 that were significantly in excess of even 125 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,037 the fastest and most capable military aircraft. 126 00:08:07,245 --> 00:08:09,868 Project Blue Book even invented the term UFO 127 00:08:09,903 --> 00:08:13,216 correctly judging that unidentified flying 128 00:08:13,251 --> 00:08:16,288 object sounded more serious and scientific 129 00:08:16,323 --> 00:08:18,946 than flying saucer or flying disk. 130 00:08:21,570 --> 00:08:24,193 Project Blue Book's headquarters was at Wright 131 00:08:24,227 --> 00:08:26,506 Patterson Air Force Base, the very location 132 00:08:26,540 --> 00:08:28,991 where it was alleged that wreckage from 133 00:08:29,025 --> 00:08:31,683 the Roswell crash had been taken and stored. 134 00:08:33,202 --> 00:08:37,206 In 1969, the plug was abruptly pulled. 135 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,553 For some years it had been clear that 136 00:08:39,588 --> 00:08:41,693 the United States Air Force had been looking 137 00:08:41,728 --> 00:08:43,695 for a way out of the program. 138 00:08:43,730 --> 00:08:46,008 They commissioned the University of Colorado 139 00:08:46,042 --> 00:08:47,941 to undertake a study. 140 00:08:49,114 --> 00:08:53,498 From 1966 to 1968, the university ran a project 141 00:08:53,533 --> 00:08:56,501 known as the Condon Committee so called because 142 00:08:56,536 --> 00:08:59,159 it was chaired by physicist Edward Condon 143 00:08:59,193 --> 00:09:01,264 to review the Blue Book data. 144 00:09:02,472 --> 00:09:04,544 The Condon Committee delivered its final 145 00:09:04,578 --> 00:09:07,270 report in November 1968. 146 00:09:07,305 --> 00:09:09,687 It was a damning skeptical assessment of 147 00:09:09,721 --> 00:09:12,206 the UFO phenomenon and it recommended that 148 00:09:12,241 --> 00:09:14,519 no further government resources be used 149 00:09:14,554 --> 00:09:17,142 on investigating the mystery. 150 00:09:17,177 --> 00:09:20,421 The media, the public, and even some of the people 151 00:09:20,456 --> 00:09:23,459 involved with Project Blue Book were suspicious. 152 00:09:23,493 --> 00:09:25,599 It looked like a fix. 153 00:09:25,634 --> 00:09:28,395 The best cases in the Blue Book archives had been ignored 154 00:09:28,429 --> 00:09:32,019 and undue prominence had been given to sightings where 155 00:09:32,054 --> 00:09:35,298 conventional explanations had been found. 156 00:09:35,333 --> 00:09:37,577 These objections were ignored. 157 00:09:37,611 --> 00:09:40,821 And on December 17th 1969, Project Blue 158 00:09:40,856 --> 00:09:44,273 Book was officially terminated. 159 00:09:44,307 --> 00:09:47,379 In terminating the project, the United States 160 00:09:47,414 --> 00:09:51,901 Air Force gave these carefully scripted reasons. 161 00:09:58,321 --> 00:10:00,634 ♪♪ 162 00:10:29,007 --> 00:10:32,908 The then secretary of the Air Force Robert Seamans Jr. 163 00:10:32,942 --> 00:10:35,635 summarized the position by stating that Blue Book 164 00:10:35,669 --> 00:10:38,430 could no longer be justified either on the ground 165 00:10:38,465 --> 00:10:42,538 of national security or in the interest of science. 166 00:10:43,712 --> 00:10:47,094 Are we really to believe that from 1970 onwards 167 00:10:47,129 --> 00:10:49,856 the US government ignored all reports 168 00:10:49,890 --> 00:10:52,513 of unidentified objects in their air space? 169 00:10:52,548 --> 00:10:54,481 This would be ridiculous. 170 00:10:54,515 --> 00:10:57,380 No government and no air force on Earth could 171 00:10:57,415 --> 00:11:00,901 fail to react if their own pilots saw UFOs 172 00:11:00,936 --> 00:11:03,732 and if their own radar operators tracked them, 173 00:11:03,766 --> 00:11:05,112 all of which was happening. 174 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,150 Project Blue Book may have been terminated 175 00:11:08,184 --> 00:11:10,877 but UFOs didn't go away. 176 00:11:10,911 --> 00:11:13,880 Sure enough the clues were there suggesting that 177 00:11:13,914 --> 00:11:16,192 in parallel with Project Blue Book, 178 00:11:16,227 --> 00:11:18,747 a secret reporting system existed where even 179 00:11:18,781 --> 00:11:21,439 if the public were cut out the military 180 00:11:21,473 --> 00:11:24,718 could continue to report UFOs. 181 00:11:24,753 --> 00:11:29,343 In a memo dated October 20th 1969, 182 00:11:29,378 --> 00:11:32,001 Brigadier General Carroll Bolender stated, 183 00:11:32,036 --> 00:11:35,349 ♪♪ 184 00:11:48,362 --> 00:11:51,745 The US government's UFO project had gone dark. 185 00:11:51,780 --> 00:11:54,230 The trail had gone cold. 186 00:11:54,265 --> 00:11:57,544 It would be decades before it emerged from the shadows 187 00:11:57,578 --> 00:12:02,376 but when it finally did, everything would change. 188 00:12:02,411 --> 00:12:05,000 For years, after the termination of Project 189 00:12:05,034 --> 00:12:08,279 Blue Book, anyone who asked about UFOs was 190 00:12:08,313 --> 00:12:11,385 told there was no official involvement. 191 00:12:11,420 --> 00:12:14,354 Whether you were a senator, a journalist, or a member 192 00:12:14,388 --> 00:12:17,806 of the public, the answer was always the same. 193 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:19,566 It didn't matter if you asked your question 194 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,880 to the Department of Defense, the CIA, NASA, 195 00:12:22,914 --> 00:12:26,504 or anyone else, the response was identical. 196 00:12:26,538 --> 00:12:29,645 We're not interested, we don't investigate. 197 00:12:30,542 --> 00:12:31,405 But they did. 198 00:12:34,063 --> 00:12:38,033 In 2007, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid quietly 199 00:12:38,067 --> 00:12:40,967 got together with two like minded colleagues, 200 00:12:41,001 --> 00:12:43,866 both now deceased, Senator Ted Stevens 201 00:12:43,901 --> 00:12:46,351 and Senator Daniel Inouye. 202 00:12:46,386 --> 00:12:49,561 They instigated a program known as the Advanced 203 00:12:49,596 --> 00:12:53,980 Aerospace Threat Identification Program or AATIP. 204 00:12:55,153 --> 00:12:57,535 To add to the confusion about this project it's 205 00:12:57,569 --> 00:13:00,227 also been described as the Advanced 206 00:13:00,262 --> 00:13:03,230 Aviation Threat Identification Program 207 00:13:03,265 --> 00:13:08,270 and the Advanced Aerial Threat Identification Program. 208 00:13:09,685 --> 00:13:11,307 Irrespective of the title, the brief was clear, 209 00:13:11,342 --> 00:13:15,139 investigate and evaluate all aerial objects 210 00:13:15,173 --> 00:13:18,004 and phenomena that might pose a threat to 211 00:13:18,038 --> 00:13:20,903 the air defense of the United States. 212 00:13:20,938 --> 00:13:23,526 In some cases, such objects might be secret 213 00:13:23,561 --> 00:13:27,185 prototype aircraft, missiles, or drones. 214 00:13:27,220 --> 00:13:30,740 In other cases, they were UFOs. 215 00:13:30,775 --> 00:13:34,606 Harry Reid's interest in UFOs stems from his friendship 216 00:13:34,641 --> 00:13:37,989 with Nevada based billionaire Robert Bigelow 217 00:13:38,024 --> 00:13:40,543 who made his fortune in the hotel business 218 00:13:40,578 --> 00:13:43,339 but who now runs an aerospace company that, 219 00:13:43,374 --> 00:13:47,205 among other things, constructs space station modules 220 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,898 and who's clients include NASA. 221 00:13:51,244 --> 00:13:54,592 Bigelow also owned a sprawling 500 acre property 222 00:13:54,626 --> 00:13:57,319 in Utah known as the Skinwalker Ranch 223 00:13:57,353 --> 00:14:00,253 where numerous UFO sightings and other paranormal 224 00:14:00,287 --> 00:14:02,876 events were witnessed and investigated by 225 00:14:02,911 --> 00:14:05,845 the National Institute of Discovery Science, 226 00:14:05,879 --> 00:14:09,227 a privately funded organization that Bigelow created 227 00:14:09,262 --> 00:14:14,267 to investigate UFOs, the unexplained, and fringe science. 228 00:14:15,751 --> 00:14:18,512 Bigelow also channeled funds to the Mutual UFO Network, 229 00:14:18,547 --> 00:14:23,483 the world's largest civilian research organization. 230 00:14:23,517 --> 00:14:26,313 One of Bigelow's initiatives with MUFON was 231 00:14:26,348 --> 00:14:29,420 to fund the creation of a rapid response team 232 00:14:29,454 --> 00:14:32,595 that was deployed immediately in the aftermath 233 00:14:32,630 --> 00:14:35,253 of a significant UFO incident to interview 234 00:14:35,288 --> 00:14:37,877 witnesses and to recover evidence. 235 00:14:38,947 --> 00:14:41,328 Aside from Robert Bigelow, Harry Reid had 236 00:14:41,363 --> 00:14:43,917 discussed the subject with astronaut John 237 00:14:43,952 --> 00:14:46,920 Glenn who was concerned that UFO sightings 238 00:14:46,955 --> 00:14:49,647 weren't being properly investigated especially 239 00:14:49,681 --> 00:14:52,236 in cases where the witnesses were military pilots 240 00:14:52,270 --> 00:14:55,618 and where the objects were tracked on radar. 241 00:14:57,068 --> 00:14:59,139 He felt that after Project Blue Book was terminated, 242 00:14:59,174 --> 00:15:01,935 pilots were reluctant to report sightings up 243 00:15:01,970 --> 00:15:04,386 the chain of command for fear that they'd be 244 00:15:04,420 --> 00:15:07,941 disbelieved, ridiculed, or even grounded due 245 00:15:07,976 --> 00:15:10,702 to concerns about their state of mind. 246 00:15:12,083 --> 00:15:14,844 AATIP was run from the Pentagon but the program 247 00:15:14,879 --> 00:15:17,537 was owned not by the Department of Defense 248 00:15:17,571 --> 00:15:22,576 but by the super secret Defense Intelligence Agency 249 00:15:24,026 --> 00:15:27,547 officially designated as a DoD combat support agency. 250 00:15:27,581 --> 00:15:31,965 From their website, the DIA mission is described thus, 251 00:15:37,005 --> 00:15:39,731 ♪♪ 252 00:15:59,751 --> 00:16:03,100 Now here comes an interesting twist in the story. 253 00:16:03,134 --> 00:16:06,068 While the DIA owned AATIP, much of the work 254 00:16:06,103 --> 00:16:09,796 was contracted out into the private sector. 255 00:16:09,830 --> 00:16:12,902 This often happens with specialist projects 256 00:16:12,937 --> 00:16:15,319 where there may be insufficient in house expertise 257 00:16:15,353 --> 00:16:18,184 and leveraging the knowledge and resources 258 00:16:18,218 --> 00:16:22,671 of defense contractors can have considerable advantages. 259 00:16:22,705 --> 00:16:25,501 Whether intended or not it can, for example, 260 00:16:25,536 --> 00:16:28,056 make Congressional scrutiny more difficult 261 00:16:28,090 --> 00:16:31,024 and critically, can take much of the work 262 00:16:31,059 --> 00:16:34,683 outside the scope of the Freedom of Information Act. 263 00:16:34,717 --> 00:16:37,099 The UK Ministry of Defense did the same thing 264 00:16:37,134 --> 00:16:40,585 with some highly classified UK defense work. 265 00:16:40,620 --> 00:16:42,794 Especially projects that could be considered 266 00:16:42,829 --> 00:16:47,316 somewhat out there and thus politically embarrassing. 267 00:16:47,351 --> 00:16:50,009 So guess who got the AATIP contract? 268 00:16:50,043 --> 00:16:52,459 Bigelow Aerospace. 269 00:16:53,874 --> 00:16:58,845 Officially at least, AATIP ran from 2007 to 2012. 270 00:17:00,847 --> 00:17:03,505 During that time around $22 million 271 00:17:03,539 --> 00:17:05,921 was spent on the project. 272 00:17:05,955 --> 00:17:07,957 It doesn't sound much when you consider the annual 273 00:17:07,992 --> 00:17:12,583 US defense budget runs to around $600 billion 274 00:17:12,617 --> 00:17:15,137 and that's just the way they wanted it. 275 00:17:15,172 --> 00:17:17,519 It was small enough to fly under the radar 276 00:17:17,553 --> 00:17:19,693 and not attract attention. 277 00:17:19,728 --> 00:17:22,351 And in the murky area of government accounting, 278 00:17:22,386 --> 00:17:25,078 it all depends how you do the math. 279 00:17:25,113 --> 00:17:28,633 $22 million may be the additional cash costs 280 00:17:28,668 --> 00:17:32,016 but if you include the costs of the resources used, 281 00:17:32,051 --> 00:17:34,225 things like military radar systems 282 00:17:34,260 --> 00:17:36,400 and imagery analysis capabilities, 283 00:17:36,434 --> 00:17:38,505 the costs are much higher. 284 00:17:40,645 --> 00:17:43,303 So what exactly did AATIP do? 285 00:17:43,338 --> 00:17:45,892 To answer that question we need to know 286 00:17:45,926 --> 00:17:48,067 something about the man who ran the program. 287 00:17:48,101 --> 00:17:51,553 Step forward Luis Elizondo. 288 00:17:53,969 --> 00:17:56,730 Luis Elizondo is a man who's lived most 289 00:17:56,765 --> 00:17:59,112 of his life in the shadows. 290 00:17:59,147 --> 00:18:02,978 That's until October 2017 when, having resigned 291 00:18:03,012 --> 00:18:06,499 from the US government under dramatic circumstances, 292 00:18:06,533 --> 00:18:09,985 he blew the whistle on AATIP and revealed what much 293 00:18:10,019 --> 00:18:13,471 of the world already suspected, namely that 294 00:18:13,506 --> 00:18:15,991 the the US government was investigating 295 00:18:16,025 --> 00:18:20,168 UFOs after all despite the denials. 296 00:18:20,202 --> 00:18:22,204 So who is Luis Elizondo? 297 00:18:23,757 --> 00:18:26,933 After studying microbiology, immunology, 298 00:18:26,967 --> 00:18:30,143 and parasitology at the University of Miami, 299 00:18:30,178 --> 00:18:34,078 Elizondo joined the US Army wanting to serve his country. 300 00:18:34,941 --> 00:18:36,632 He quickly found that he had an aptitude 301 00:18:36,667 --> 00:18:39,187 for intelligence work and served in a number 302 00:18:39,221 --> 00:18:42,535 of different roles and theaters many details 303 00:18:42,569 --> 00:18:44,640 of which are still classified. 304 00:18:44,675 --> 00:18:47,505 In view of his particular skills and his love 305 00:18:47,540 --> 00:18:50,129 of intelligence work, he soon left the Army 306 00:18:50,163 --> 00:18:52,993 and went to work for the Department of Defense 307 00:18:53,028 --> 00:18:55,410 as a civilian serving in a variety 308 00:18:55,444 --> 00:18:57,239 of posts all around the world. 309 00:18:58,482 --> 00:19:03,107 Then in 2008, his life changed forever when he 310 00:19:03,142 --> 00:19:06,490 was asked to join AATIP which as we've seen had 311 00:19:06,524 --> 00:19:09,424 been set up in 2007 at the instigation 312 00:19:09,458 --> 00:19:12,668 of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. 313 00:19:12,703 --> 00:19:16,189 When the director of the program moved on in 2010, 314 00:19:16,224 --> 00:19:20,573 Elizondo took over and filled the post until 2017 315 00:19:20,607 --> 00:19:24,818 when he resigned from government service. 316 00:19:24,853 --> 00:19:27,787 Elizondo decided that his priority in investigating 317 00:19:27,821 --> 00:19:31,756 UFO sightings should be to answer two questions, 318 00:19:31,791 --> 00:19:35,450 what were these things and how did they work? 319 00:19:35,484 --> 00:19:38,625 In other words, what was the technology behind them? 320 00:19:39,661 --> 00:19:41,904 He deliberately set aside the more provocative 321 00:19:41,939 --> 00:19:45,218 questions, who's behind the wheel as he puts it 322 00:19:45,253 --> 00:19:47,013 and what's their intent? 323 00:19:48,497 --> 00:19:52,052 AATIP was beset by problems and controversies. 324 00:19:52,087 --> 00:19:54,641 There was the inevitable struggle for funding, 325 00:19:54,676 --> 00:19:57,575 in a situation where there was intense competition 326 00:19:57,610 --> 00:20:00,164 for limited Defense resources. 327 00:20:00,199 --> 00:20:03,616 And while they tried to avoid terms like UFO, 328 00:20:03,650 --> 00:20:06,239 the phrase had so much pop culture baggage that 329 00:20:06,274 --> 00:20:10,761 AATIP was always going to struggle to be taken seriously. 330 00:20:10,795 --> 00:20:13,108 They even came up against problems from more 331 00:20:13,142 --> 00:20:16,180 senior staff who's personal paradigms and religious 332 00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:20,219 world views were challenged by some of the AATIP data. 333 00:20:21,737 --> 00:20:25,569 That's one of the reasons why in October 2017, 334 00:20:25,879 --> 00:20:28,917 Luis Elizondo decided to resign not just from AATIP 335 00:20:28,951 --> 00:20:32,023 but from the Department of Defense leaving after 336 00:20:32,058 --> 00:20:35,544 a distinguished 22 year government career. 337 00:20:36,649 --> 00:20:39,099 It was a resignation of principle. 338 00:20:39,134 --> 00:20:41,481 Elizondo felt that what he'd learned was too 339 00:20:41,516 --> 00:20:43,966 important to be hidden away. 340 00:20:44,001 --> 00:20:46,659 As he puts it, to do his job properly, 341 00:20:46,693 --> 00:20:48,764 he had to leave. 342 00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:51,319 He had to leave so he could be part of a process 343 00:20:51,353 --> 00:20:53,528 whereby the American people could have a serious 344 00:20:53,562 --> 00:20:56,324 conversation about this subject. 345 00:20:56,358 --> 00:20:58,878 Not about flying saucers and little green men 346 00:20:58,912 --> 00:21:03,054 but about the important defense, national security, 347 00:21:03,089 --> 00:21:06,265 and air safety issues raised by the phenomenon. 348 00:21:06,299 --> 00:21:10,476 On his departure Elizondo wrote a letter of resignation 349 00:21:10,510 --> 00:21:13,893 to Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, a man he admires 350 00:21:13,927 --> 00:21:16,999 greatly and under whom he served in combat. 351 00:21:17,034 --> 00:21:19,830 Expressing his dissatisfaction with the lack 352 00:21:19,864 --> 00:21:23,178 of attention more senior Pentagon officials 353 00:21:23,212 --> 00:21:25,007 were giving to the UFO problem. 354 00:21:26,181 --> 00:21:28,528 It's a problem, he says, because these objects 355 00:21:28,563 --> 00:21:32,118 are in our air space, outperform our jets 356 00:21:32,152 --> 00:21:34,672 in terms of speed and maneuverability, 357 00:21:34,707 --> 00:21:36,674 and remain unknown. 358 00:21:36,709 --> 00:21:39,677 To better articulate this point, Elizondo uses 359 00:21:39,712 --> 00:21:43,578 what he calls the muddy boot prints analogy. 360 00:21:43,612 --> 00:21:47,340 Imagine, he says, that each night before you go to bed, 361 00:21:47,375 --> 00:21:50,481 you set your home alarm system. 362 00:21:50,516 --> 00:21:53,104 But each morning when you come downstairs 363 00:21:53,139 --> 00:21:56,763 there are muddy boot prints on your floor. 364 00:21:56,798 --> 00:21:59,110 Sure, you haven't been attacked and nothing 365 00:21:59,145 --> 00:22:02,217 is ever taken but there's still the major question 366 00:22:02,251 --> 00:22:04,702 of who's breaking into your house, how they're 367 00:22:04,737 --> 00:22:07,567 doing it, and what the heck they want. 368 00:22:07,602 --> 00:22:10,225 In the government and the military, 369 00:22:10,259 --> 00:22:12,503 if you're not sure what you're dealing with 370 00:22:12,538 --> 00:22:14,781 it's prudent to assume that there's a threat 371 00:22:14,816 --> 00:22:18,751 and then be relieved if one doesn't materialize. 372 00:22:18,785 --> 00:22:20,994 That's a far better strategy than to assume 373 00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:24,101 a scenario is benign and then be unpleasantly 374 00:22:24,135 --> 00:22:26,724 surprised by something that turns out to be hostile. 375 00:22:28,174 --> 00:22:30,832 That was Luis Elizondo's mindset when he ran AATIP 376 00:22:30,866 --> 00:22:34,283 and that's a big part of why he resigned. 377 00:22:34,318 --> 00:22:36,803 He makes another powerful analogy. 378 00:22:36,838 --> 00:22:40,186 If an unidentified aircraft penetrates US 379 00:22:40,220 --> 00:22:43,085 air space and it turns out to have Russian 380 00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:46,054 markings or North Korean tail markings, 381 00:22:46,088 --> 00:22:48,988 there'd be an outcry and rightly so. 382 00:22:49,022 --> 00:22:52,198 People would be demanding answers from the DoD, 383 00:22:52,232 --> 00:22:56,133 the CIA, and the Department of Homeland Security. 384 00:22:56,167 --> 00:22:59,481 But with some of the cases investigated by AATIP, 385 00:22:59,516 --> 00:23:03,520 not only were there no tail markings, there was no tail. 386 00:23:04,969 --> 00:23:07,765 And as Luis Elizondo puts it, in that situation, 387 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:12,770 it's just crickets, there's an embarrassing silence. 388 00:23:13,530 --> 00:23:14,841 It's all too difficult. 389 00:23:14,876 --> 00:23:16,291 No one wants to deal with it. 390 00:23:17,982 --> 00:23:19,812 So now we know something about this 391 00:23:19,846 --> 00:23:22,124 principled man who ran AATIP. 392 00:23:22,159 --> 00:23:24,161 What of the project itself? 393 00:23:24,195 --> 00:23:26,059 What did they actually do? 394 00:23:26,094 --> 00:23:28,614 And what was it that Luis Elizondo discovered 395 00:23:28,648 --> 00:23:31,030 that led him to go public in an attempt 396 00:23:31,064 --> 00:23:33,308 to raise awareness about an issue he felt 397 00:23:33,342 --> 00:23:36,345 was more important than his career? 398 00:23:37,657 --> 00:23:40,315 The answer to these questions takes us on a journey 399 00:23:40,349 --> 00:23:44,699 into the heart of the US government's real life X Files. 400 00:23:45,976 --> 00:23:48,703 In one sense, the core mission of AATIP wasn't 401 00:23:48,737 --> 00:23:51,291 that different to the mission of Project Blue Book. 402 00:23:51,326 --> 00:23:55,226 Calling the unit a threat identification program 403 00:23:55,261 --> 00:23:57,263 sets things out pretty clearly. 404 00:23:57,297 --> 00:23:59,645 It goes back to the fundamental point that 405 00:23:59,679 --> 00:24:02,130 if there's something in your air space, 406 00:24:02,164 --> 00:24:03,442 you want to know what it is. 407 00:24:03,476 --> 00:24:06,548 And there are few better ways of getting answers 408 00:24:06,583 --> 00:24:09,655 to those questions than analyzing videos, 409 00:24:09,689 --> 00:24:12,312 particularly when those videos come not 410 00:24:12,347 --> 00:24:14,763 from enthusiastic members of the public 411 00:24:14,798 --> 00:24:17,076 sending in grainy cell phone footage 412 00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:19,803 but from Navy pilots who are chasing UFOs 413 00:24:19,837 --> 00:24:23,496 and recording the encounters on film 414 00:24:23,531 --> 00:24:26,741 while further corroboration was provided by virtue 415 00:24:26,775 --> 00:24:28,881 of the fact that some of these encounters were 416 00:24:28,915 --> 00:24:32,609 being tracked on sophisticated military radar systems. 417 00:24:34,024 --> 00:24:36,060 That's precisely the sort of material that AATIP 418 00:24:36,095 --> 00:24:39,339 received and analyzed and when the New York Times 419 00:24:39,374 --> 00:24:42,101 broke the story of AATIP's existence they took 420 00:24:42,135 --> 00:24:44,759 the extraordinary decision to run a second article 421 00:24:44,793 --> 00:24:48,210 in parallel detailing the story behind 422 00:24:48,245 --> 00:24:52,387 one of two videos dubbed Tick Tack and Gimble 423 00:24:52,421 --> 00:24:54,769 that AATIP looked at and which had found 424 00:24:54,803 --> 00:24:56,702 their way into the public domain. 425 00:24:58,048 --> 00:25:00,533 The story that exploded into public domain 426 00:25:00,568 --> 00:25:02,984 in the pages of the New York Times occurred 427 00:25:03,018 --> 00:25:06,712 in 2004 off the coast of San Diego and involved 428 00:25:06,746 --> 00:25:10,232 two Navy air crew, commander David Frevor 429 00:25:10,267 --> 00:25:14,029 and Lieutenant Commander Jim Slate. 430 00:25:14,064 --> 00:25:17,274 Each man was flying a Navy F-18 Superhornet and 431 00:25:17,308 --> 00:25:20,553 in the middle of a routine training flight the pilots 432 00:25:20,588 --> 00:25:23,452 were vectored towards an uncorrelated target that 433 00:25:23,487 --> 00:25:28,423 radar operators onboard the USS Princeton were tracking. 434 00:25:28,457 --> 00:25:31,530 It was the latest in a series of strange radar returns 435 00:25:31,564 --> 00:25:35,326 that the Navy cruiser had detected over a two week period. 436 00:25:35,361 --> 00:25:37,570 And this time commanders were determined 437 00:25:37,605 --> 00:25:40,193 to get to the bottom of the mystery. 438 00:25:40,228 --> 00:25:42,989 Frevor headed toward the mystery object 439 00:25:43,024 --> 00:25:45,336 and spotted it just above the ocean. 440 00:25:45,371 --> 00:25:48,547 The sea was white as if it was boiling. 441 00:25:48,581 --> 00:25:51,619 Suddenly the object accelerated towards 442 00:25:51,653 --> 00:25:54,345 him before veering away. 443 00:25:54,380 --> 00:25:57,141 Unable to see it, the aircraft were vectored 444 00:25:57,176 --> 00:25:59,868 to a rendezvous point some 60 miles away only 445 00:25:59,903 --> 00:26:03,389 to be told by an astonished radar operator that 446 00:26:03,423 --> 00:26:06,150 the mystery object had appeared at the precise 447 00:26:06,185 --> 00:26:07,773 location they were heading for while 448 00:26:07,807 --> 00:26:10,845 the two Navy jets were still 40 miles away. 449 00:26:12,053 --> 00:26:14,849 "I have no idea what I saw", Frevor said. 450 00:26:14,883 --> 00:26:16,126 "But I want to fly one." 451 00:26:17,368 --> 00:26:20,164 "My gosh, there's a whole fleet of them, 452 00:26:20,199 --> 00:26:23,167 look at that thing," another unidentified 453 00:26:23,202 --> 00:26:26,515 pilot loudly exclaims, in a second video. 454 00:26:28,034 --> 00:26:30,830 The footage was taken by an advanced targeting 455 00:26:30,865 --> 00:26:33,971 forward looking infrared pod and in a humorous twist 456 00:26:34,006 --> 00:26:37,319 the makers, Raytheon, rushed out a press release 457 00:26:37,354 --> 00:26:41,289 boasting about how their technology was used 458 00:26:41,323 --> 00:26:43,498 in US government UFO hunting. 459 00:26:44,913 --> 00:26:47,433 Shortly before his resignation from government 460 00:26:47,467 --> 00:26:50,574 service, Luis Elizondo played a part in getting 461 00:26:50,609 --> 00:26:54,474 three videos, Tick Tack, Gimble, and a third video 462 00:26:54,509 --> 00:26:56,856 that wasn't made available with the first 463 00:26:56,891 --> 00:27:00,964 two declassified by the US government. 464 00:27:00,998 --> 00:27:03,483 This was partly to educate the wider aviation 465 00:27:03,518 --> 00:27:05,831 community about something that could be an air 466 00:27:05,865 --> 00:27:09,455 safety hazard and partly an attempt to further 467 00:27:09,489 --> 00:27:12,147 the investigation by seeing whether circulating 468 00:27:12,182 --> 00:27:16,393 these videos more widely might provide some answers. 469 00:27:16,427 --> 00:27:18,429 Might the scientific community, for example, 470 00:27:18,464 --> 00:27:21,398 be able to shed light on encounters that 471 00:27:21,432 --> 00:27:24,401 the US government had been unable to explain? 472 00:27:25,954 --> 00:27:28,129 Luis Elizondo has implied there are dozens more 473 00:27:28,163 --> 00:27:31,304 videos out there and has expressed the hope that 474 00:27:31,339 --> 00:27:34,687 these, too, can be made public in the near future. 475 00:27:35,826 --> 00:27:38,346 One of the most bizarre aspects of the AATIP 476 00:27:38,380 --> 00:27:41,176 story is the allegation that the program was 477 00:27:41,211 --> 00:27:43,662 in possession of mystery metals. 478 00:27:43,696 --> 00:27:46,526 The normally cautious New York Times breathlessly 479 00:27:46,561 --> 00:27:49,668 reported that part of AATIP's budget was spent 480 00:27:49,702 --> 00:27:52,774 on modifying buildings at Bigelow Aerospace 481 00:27:52,809 --> 00:27:56,502 for the purpose of storing metal alloys and other 482 00:27:56,536 --> 00:28:01,058 materials that it was claimed had been recovered from UFOs. 483 00:28:02,163 --> 00:28:04,061 Could this be a reference to the long 484 00:28:04,096 --> 00:28:06,029 forgotten Roswell debris? 485 00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:13,519 This question has yet to be answered 486 00:28:13,553 --> 00:28:16,902 but irrespective of this let's be very clear. 487 00:28:16,936 --> 00:28:18,697 The science is simple. 488 00:28:18,731 --> 00:28:21,078 There are no mystery metals. 489 00:28:21,113 --> 00:28:23,632 In chemistry, everything sits somewhere on 490 00:28:23,667 --> 00:28:27,084 the periodic table so the constituent elements 491 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,362 of any material can be determined. 492 00:28:29,397 --> 00:28:31,192 It gets better than this. 493 00:28:31,226 --> 00:28:34,298 There are tests that can tell whether or not 494 00:28:34,333 --> 00:28:37,163 material has been in space such as those that involve 495 00:28:37,198 --> 00:28:41,685 examining isotopic ratios or looking at ionization. 496 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,929 This will show whether the materials have 497 00:28:43,963 --> 00:28:46,276 been exposed to cosmic rays. 498 00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:49,175 The differences arise because Earth's atmosphere 499 00:28:49,210 --> 00:28:52,075 protects us from these cosmic rays. 500 00:28:52,109 --> 00:28:54,940 These sorts of tests are done on meteorites 501 00:28:54,974 --> 00:28:57,839 to differentiate them from terrestrial rocks. 502 00:28:57,874 --> 00:29:00,393 If any materials were exposed to cosmic rays 503 00:29:00,428 --> 00:29:03,672 it doesn't prove they can from an extraterrestrial 504 00:29:03,707 --> 00:29:06,848 spacecraft, as they might have come off a satellite 505 00:29:06,883 --> 00:29:10,472 or a rocket, but it's certainly narrows things down. 506 00:29:10,507 --> 00:29:12,992 These tests are so obvious to chemists 507 00:29:13,027 --> 00:29:15,926 and material specialists that there's no way 508 00:29:15,961 --> 00:29:18,584 they won't already have been done. 509 00:29:18,618 --> 00:29:23,209 Bigelow Aerospace must know the results of these tests. 510 00:29:23,244 --> 00:29:25,211 These findings will have been briefed back 511 00:29:25,246 --> 00:29:27,731 to AATIP project managers at the DIA. 512 00:29:29,043 --> 00:29:30,976 If there are any anomalies here, 513 00:29:31,010 --> 00:29:33,599 the US government will already know about them. 514 00:29:35,049 --> 00:29:37,672 Luis Elizondo chooses his words very carefully when 515 00:29:37,706 --> 00:29:40,848 discussing the super sensitive aspect of AATIP's 516 00:29:40,882 --> 00:29:44,368 work yet in one sense he's been outspoken 517 00:29:44,403 --> 00:29:47,095 about this aspect of the project. 518 00:29:47,130 --> 00:29:49,373 An aspect that might just be the biggest 519 00:29:49,408 --> 00:29:51,651 smoking gun of all time. 520 00:29:51,686 --> 00:29:55,103 In one interview Elizondo addressed the speculation 521 00:29:55,138 --> 00:29:57,519 about these mystery metals. 522 00:29:57,554 --> 00:29:58,797 He was insistent. 523 00:29:58,831 --> 00:30:02,386 He described them as meta materials. 524 00:30:02,421 --> 00:30:05,942 He said that not only had the isotopic ratio analyses 525 00:30:05,976 --> 00:30:09,842 been conducted but that the results were in. 526 00:30:09,877 --> 00:30:13,950 Incredibly the results showed unique isotopic ratios 527 00:30:13,984 --> 00:30:17,608 that could only have resulted from these materials 528 00:30:17,643 --> 00:30:20,370 having originated from beyond this Earth. 529 00:30:23,028 --> 00:30:25,375 One of the most extraordinary parts of AATIP's 530 00:30:25,409 --> 00:30:28,343 activities relates to the study not of videos 531 00:30:28,378 --> 00:30:31,864 or even metals but of people. 532 00:30:31,899 --> 00:30:35,454 Over the years, hundreds of thousands of UFO 533 00:30:35,488 --> 00:30:37,870 sightings have been logged and investigated. 534 00:30:37,905 --> 00:30:40,424 Some by government programs, others by civilian 535 00:30:40,459 --> 00:30:43,220 research groups such as MUFON. 536 00:30:43,255 --> 00:30:45,913 While many of these sightings involved UFOs 537 00:30:45,947 --> 00:30:49,054 seen at a distance, others have been decidedly 538 00:30:49,088 --> 00:30:52,160 up close and personal. 539 00:30:52,195 --> 00:30:54,369 There are some cases where it's claimed witnesses 540 00:30:54,404 --> 00:30:57,717 got so close to a UFO that there were physical effects. 541 00:30:57,752 --> 00:31:01,066 And sometimes even injury and illness, burn marks, 542 00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:04,483 suspected radiation sickness. 543 00:31:04,517 --> 00:31:07,624 If UFOs are powered as many suspect by some form 544 00:31:07,658 --> 00:31:11,593 of exotic energy source, it's certainly possible 545 00:31:11,628 --> 00:31:15,735 to speculate that getting too close might be dangerous. 546 00:31:15,770 --> 00:31:18,186 And in case anyone thinks this is paranoid nonsense 547 00:31:18,221 --> 00:31:22,018 spouted by conspiracy theorists, it isn't. 548 00:31:22,052 --> 00:31:25,435 It's the official view of the British government. 549 00:31:26,574 --> 00:31:29,715 Case in point, Rendlesham Forest. 550 00:31:29,749 --> 00:31:32,338 This is the UK's best known UFO incident 551 00:31:32,373 --> 00:31:35,169 and it's been called Britain's Roswell. 552 00:31:36,342 --> 00:31:39,656 In December 1980, a UFO landed in a forest 553 00:31:39,690 --> 00:31:43,694 that lies between US military air bases. 554 00:31:43,729 --> 00:31:45,489 There were three nights of sightings and on 555 00:31:45,524 --> 00:31:47,836 the third night the witnesses included 556 00:31:47,871 --> 00:31:51,840 the deputy base commander Lieutenant Colonel Charles Halt. 557 00:31:51,875 --> 00:31:54,602 On the second and third night, the UFO was seen 558 00:31:54,636 --> 00:31:58,261 in the skies directly over the forest and the bases. 559 00:31:58,295 --> 00:32:01,574 But on the first night, a small triangular shaped 560 00:32:01,609 --> 00:32:04,439 craft actually landed in Rendlesham Forest. 561 00:32:04,474 --> 00:32:06,752 Two airmen were sent to investigate, 562 00:32:06,786 --> 00:32:08,927 John Burroughs and Jim Penniston. 563 00:32:08,961 --> 00:32:12,033 They got very close, perhaps too close. 564 00:32:12,068 --> 00:32:14,829 Penniston says he touched it. 565 00:32:14,863 --> 00:32:17,866 For years, afterwards the men suffered health problems, 566 00:32:17,901 --> 00:32:20,904 now we think we know why. 567 00:32:23,010 --> 00:32:25,012 A few years ago, the British government started 568 00:32:25,046 --> 00:32:28,567 declassifying and releasing its UFO files. 569 00:32:28,601 --> 00:32:30,327 There were hundreds of documents on 570 00:32:30,362 --> 00:32:32,743 the Rendlesham Forest incident. 571 00:32:32,778 --> 00:32:35,574 They included a Defense Intelligence staff assessment 572 00:32:35,608 --> 00:32:39,026 of anomalous radiation readings that had been found 573 00:32:39,060 --> 00:32:42,822 at the landing site during the official investigation. 574 00:32:42,857 --> 00:32:44,859 The documents stated that the levels 575 00:32:44,893 --> 00:32:47,793 of radioactivity appeared to be significantly 576 00:32:47,827 --> 00:32:50,658 higher than the average background. 577 00:32:50,692 --> 00:32:54,834 There was a further and much more sinister confirmation. 578 00:32:54,869 --> 00:32:57,803 A more general intelligence assessment of 579 00:32:57,837 --> 00:33:00,979 the UFO phenomenon known as Project Condyle 580 00:33:01,013 --> 00:33:04,396 contained speculation about what had happened 581 00:33:04,430 --> 00:33:06,087 to Penniston and Burroughs as a result 582 00:33:06,122 --> 00:33:08,952 of getting too close to the UFO. 583 00:33:08,987 --> 00:33:11,920 The study's final report had originally been 584 00:33:11,955 --> 00:33:15,994 classified secret UK eyes only, 585 00:33:16,028 --> 00:33:18,099 and under the heading: 586 00:33:24,381 --> 00:33:29,386 The report states: 587 00:33:29,904 --> 00:33:32,355 ♪♪ 588 00:33:44,367 --> 00:33:46,472 This report had almost certainly come to 589 00:33:46,507 --> 00:33:49,303 the attention of AATIP given that one strand 590 00:33:49,337 --> 00:33:51,374 of the unit's work seems to have involved 591 00:33:51,408 --> 00:33:54,135 identifying people who'd got sufficiently close 592 00:33:54,170 --> 00:33:56,965 to UFOs to suffer physical effects 593 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,487 and examining them for physiological changes. 594 00:34:01,522 --> 00:34:04,283 I'm personally aware of various close encounter 595 00:34:04,318 --> 00:34:07,666 witnesses who have been approached in recent years 596 00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:10,462 by scientists who were vague about exactly who 597 00:34:10,496 --> 00:34:14,086 they worked for but who wanted to subject close 598 00:34:14,121 --> 00:34:17,400 encounter witnesses to a sophisticated array of medical 599 00:34:17,434 --> 00:34:22,439 procedures including blood tests and DNA analysis. 600 00:34:23,544 --> 00:34:26,995 Directly or indirectly it seems likely that these 601 00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:29,688 mystery scientists were working for AATIP 602 00:34:29,722 --> 00:34:32,104 and that the results of these analyses 603 00:34:32,139 --> 00:34:34,693 found their way back to the Pentagon. 604 00:34:35,832 --> 00:34:39,732 What of the science behind these mystery objects? 605 00:34:39,767 --> 00:34:42,321 What is AATIP's research and investigation tell us 606 00:34:42,356 --> 00:34:46,360 about one of the most intriguing questions about UFOs? 607 00:34:46,394 --> 00:34:48,258 How do they fly? 608 00:34:48,293 --> 00:34:51,710 Again, Luis Elizondo, the man who ran AATIP, 609 00:34:51,744 --> 00:34:56,439 has a possible answer and it's a tantalizing one. 610 00:34:56,991 --> 00:34:59,683 Elizondo and his colleagues identified several 611 00:34:59,718 --> 00:35:03,135 characteristics that consistently arise with 612 00:35:03,170 --> 00:35:05,586 the best evidenced UFO cases. 613 00:35:05,620 --> 00:35:08,416 Time and time again one or more of 614 00:35:08,451 --> 00:35:10,694 the following factors arose. 615 00:35:13,628 --> 00:35:18,978 Hypersonic velocities, low observability, 616 00:35:19,496 --> 00:35:23,259 sudden and extreme acceleration, 617 00:35:23,293 --> 00:35:26,641 trans medium travel, bizarrely some of these 618 00:35:26,676 --> 00:35:29,851 objects seem to move seamlessly into and out 619 00:35:29,886 --> 00:35:36,203 of the sea, positive lift. This seems to be a less 620 00:35:36,237 --> 00:35:38,757 provocative way of saying a phrase that sounds 621 00:35:38,791 --> 00:35:43,796 more like science fiction than science fact, anti-gravity. 622 00:35:44,970 --> 00:35:47,559 Despite all of this, Luis Elizondo believes 623 00:35:47,593 --> 00:35:52,529 we're getting tantalizingly close to explaining things. 624 00:35:52,564 --> 00:35:55,187 He thinks a single technology can explain these 625 00:35:55,222 --> 00:35:59,778 various different characteristics displayed by UFOs. 626 00:35:59,812 --> 00:36:02,125 This technology, he believes, involves what he 627 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:07,165 refers to as the metric engineering of space time. 628 00:36:08,269 --> 00:36:09,684 It involves an exotic propulsion system 629 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,481 that uses very high energy to warp space time 630 00:36:13,516 --> 00:36:17,209 in a very local fashion creating a sort of bubble. 631 00:36:17,244 --> 00:36:19,522 It sounds like something you'd see on Star Trek 632 00:36:19,556 --> 00:36:22,628 but these are the conclusions not just of the man 633 00:36:22,663 --> 00:36:25,631 who ran AATIP but scientists that Elizondo 634 00:36:25,666 --> 00:36:28,462 is currently working with on trying to unravel 635 00:36:28,496 --> 00:36:31,396 the secrets of these mystery craft. 636 00:36:33,363 --> 00:36:34,847 That's what AATIP did. 637 00:36:35,779 --> 00:36:38,230 But how did the story get out? 638 00:36:38,265 --> 00:36:40,750 How did a government UFO program, the existence 639 00:36:40,784 --> 00:36:43,649 of which had been carefully hidden from the public 640 00:36:43,684 --> 00:36:47,377 end up on the front page of the New York Times? 641 00:36:47,412 --> 00:36:51,174 At this point, in this expose of the Pentagon's 642 00:36:51,209 --> 00:36:53,625 secret UFO program, we meet another one 643 00:36:53,659 --> 00:36:55,592 of the colorful characters involved 644 00:36:55,627 --> 00:36:58,354 in this extraordinary story. 645 00:36:58,388 --> 00:37:00,321 Someone who played a major part in blowing 646 00:37:00,356 --> 00:37:03,221 the lid off the secrecy surrounding the program. 647 00:37:03,255 --> 00:37:07,363 The person concerned is none other than Tom DeLonge, 648 00:37:07,397 --> 00:37:12,402 the former singer and guitarist of the rock band Blink 182. 649 00:37:13,576 --> 00:37:15,336 Tom DeLonge isn't the first celebrity to have 650 00:37:15,371 --> 00:37:17,890 developed an interest in UFOs. 651 00:37:17,925 --> 00:37:22,101 Musicians in particular seem obsessed with the subject. 652 00:37:22,136 --> 00:37:26,140 Some, such as John Lennon, had their own sightings. 653 00:37:26,174 --> 00:37:29,764 Others such as Katy Perry and Kanye West incorporate UFO 654 00:37:29,799 --> 00:37:34,252 and alien references into their song lyrics and videos. 655 00:37:34,286 --> 00:37:36,771 But Tom DeLonge did something very different, 656 00:37:36,806 --> 00:37:39,740 he became an activist. 657 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,296 DeLonge formed an organization called the To the Stars 658 00:37:44,331 --> 00:37:48,024 Academy of Arts and Science Incorporated 659 00:37:48,058 --> 00:37:51,821 usually just known as the To the Stars Academy. 660 00:37:51,855 --> 00:37:54,582 It was to be both a lobby group for the ending 661 00:37:54,617 --> 00:37:57,861 of UFO secrecy and an organization that aspired 662 00:37:57,896 --> 00:38:00,830 to reverse engineer some of the hidden UFO 663 00:38:00,864 --> 00:38:04,143 technologies DeLonge believes are locked away 664 00:38:04,178 --> 00:38:07,043 in Air Force hangars somewhere perhaps in locations 665 00:38:07,077 --> 00:38:11,012 such as Area 51 where UFO researchers believe 666 00:38:11,047 --> 00:38:14,292 recovered alien technology is kept. 667 00:38:15,431 --> 00:38:17,674 Tom DeLonge wants to bring such technologies 668 00:38:17,709 --> 00:38:19,538 out of the shadows. 669 00:38:19,573 --> 00:38:22,576 The organization's mission statement articulated 670 00:38:22,610 --> 00:38:27,374 on their website is as follows: 671 00:38:27,408 --> 00:38:29,790 ♪♪ 672 00:38:52,985 --> 00:38:54,815 It's certainly aiming high. 673 00:38:54,849 --> 00:38:57,542 But for those who might have been skeptical, there was 674 00:38:57,576 --> 00:39:02,270 an early clue that DeLonge was emerging as a serious player. 675 00:39:02,305 --> 00:39:05,619 When Wikileaks published emails from President Obama's 676 00:39:05,653 --> 00:39:08,656 former Chief of Staff John Podesta, 677 00:39:08,691 --> 00:39:11,314 included among them was correspondence 678 00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:16,008 from Tom DeLonge briefing Podesta on his initiative. 679 00:39:16,526 --> 00:39:19,702 DeLonge was pushing at an already open door. 680 00:39:19,736 --> 00:39:23,809 Podesta is a UFO believer and a fan of the X Files and his 681 00:39:23,844 --> 00:39:28,849 occasional UFO themed tweets have been major news stories. 682 00:39:30,229 --> 00:39:31,610 At the time the emails leaked, Podesta was playing 683 00:39:31,645 --> 00:39:35,614 a major role in Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. 684 00:39:35,649 --> 00:39:38,790 A campaign marked by the extraordinary spectacle 685 00:39:38,824 --> 00:39:41,965 of Clinton going onto the Jimmy Kimmel Show 686 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,486 and correcting the bemused chat show host 687 00:39:45,521 --> 00:39:48,489 when he asked about UFOs, telling him: 688 00:39:55,496 --> 00:39:57,498 ♪♪ 689 00:39:59,189 --> 00:40:01,191 In an early media interview, Hillary Clinton had said 690 00:40:01,226 --> 00:40:04,022 that if she was elected president she'd do her best 691 00:40:04,056 --> 00:40:07,335 to find out what was going on at Area 51, 692 00:40:07,370 --> 00:40:10,580 the secret site that many associate with 693 00:40:10,615 --> 00:40:14,860 covert government research on crashed UFOs. 694 00:40:14,895 --> 00:40:17,587 Bill Clinton, too, had expressed interest in 695 00:40:17,622 --> 00:40:19,589 the subject when he was president. 696 00:40:21,039 --> 00:40:23,904 DeLonge told Podesta that he was putting together 697 00:40:23,938 --> 00:40:26,389 a team with assistance from General William 698 00:40:26,424 --> 00:40:29,357 McCasland, formerly commander of the Air Force 699 00:40:29,392 --> 00:40:32,257 Research Laboratory at Wright Patterson Air 700 00:40:32,291 --> 00:40:35,467 Force Base, another site that's been linked with UFOs, 701 00:40:35,502 --> 00:40:37,952 and indeed the location where many believe 702 00:40:37,987 --> 00:40:41,369 that whatever crashed at Roswell was taken. 703 00:40:41,404 --> 00:40:44,442 Another of DeLonge's advisers was Major General 704 00:40:44,476 --> 00:40:48,066 Michael Carey, special assistant to the commander 705 00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:50,689 Air Force Space Command. 706 00:40:50,724 --> 00:40:54,279 A rockstar rubbing shoulders with presidential 707 00:40:54,313 --> 00:40:57,075 chiefs of staff and generals? 708 00:40:57,109 --> 00:41:00,250 Again, it sounds bizarre but today it seems 709 00:41:00,285 --> 00:41:04,358 that strange is normal and whatever the truth 710 00:41:04,392 --> 00:41:07,257 of DeLonge's exact relationship with people 711 00:41:07,292 --> 00:41:09,846 like Podesta, McCasland, and Carey, 712 00:41:09,881 --> 00:41:12,470 the fact of the matter is he did indeed put 713 00:41:12,504 --> 00:41:17,405 together a team of heavy hitters with close government ties. 714 00:41:18,545 --> 00:41:21,202 Members of DeLonge's To the Stars Academy team 715 00:41:21,237 --> 00:41:25,793 include a very credible list of participants. 716 00:41:25,828 --> 00:41:30,833 Jim Semivan, a former senior member of the CIA. 717 00:41:30,867 --> 00:41:35,803 Doctor Hal Puthoff a scientist who's advised NASA, 718 00:41:35,838 --> 00:41:39,220 the DoD, and the intelligence community. 719 00:41:39,255 --> 00:41:41,671 He specializes in exotic propulsion 720 00:41:41,706 --> 00:41:43,742 systems and energy sources. 721 00:41:44,916 --> 00:41:48,057 Steve Justice a retired program director with 722 00:41:48,091 --> 00:41:51,336 the Lockheed Martin Skunk Works where numerous 723 00:41:51,370 --> 00:41:54,995 exotic aircraft have been designed and developed. 724 00:41:55,029 --> 00:41:58,136 Chris Mellon, a former Deputy Assistant Secretary 725 00:41:58,170 --> 00:42:00,863 of Defense for Intelligence in the Clinton and Bush 726 00:42:00,897 --> 00:42:04,522 administrations who also served as the minority 727 00:42:04,556 --> 00:42:09,285 staff director of Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. 728 00:42:09,319 --> 00:42:13,600 This is the team that Luis Elizondo is now a part of. 729 00:42:13,634 --> 00:42:15,843 The fact that so many of these people have such 730 00:42:15,878 --> 00:42:18,881 close links with government, the military, 731 00:42:18,915 --> 00:42:21,331 and the intelligence community has led 732 00:42:21,366 --> 00:42:23,920 to speculation that the whole venture is 733 00:42:23,955 --> 00:42:27,337 a government initiative in all but name. 734 00:42:27,372 --> 00:42:29,892 It's certainly true that many of these 735 00:42:29,926 --> 00:42:32,480 people were involved with AATIP. 736 00:42:32,515 --> 00:42:35,725 Luis Elizondo ran the program while Puthoff helped write 737 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,765 the bid that landed Bigelow Aerospace the AATIP contract. 738 00:42:42,076 --> 00:42:43,319 Working out the complicated interrelationships 739 00:42:43,353 --> 00:42:46,046 between all these people can certainly be tricky 740 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,704 and sometimes it's difficult to see quite where 741 00:42:48,738 --> 00:42:52,604 the lines are drawn between AATIP, Bigelow Aerospace, 742 00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:55,227 and the To the Stars Academy. 743 00:42:55,262 --> 00:42:58,334 Especially when so many of the players are the same. 744 00:42:58,368 --> 00:43:03,270 On October 11th 2017, Tom DeLonge held a press 745 00:43:03,304 --> 00:43:06,963 conference where he and most of the To the Stars 746 00:43:06,998 --> 00:43:10,415 Academy team unveiled their initiative. 747 00:43:10,449 --> 00:43:13,280 It was an eloquent and passionate exposition 748 00:43:13,314 --> 00:43:15,144 of their mission statement with the clear 749 00:43:15,178 --> 00:43:17,353 implication that many of the world changing 750 00:43:17,387 --> 00:43:19,942 technologies they hoped to develop are going 751 00:43:19,976 --> 00:43:23,152 to be based on things currently being kept 752 00:43:23,186 --> 00:43:25,499 under wraps by the US government. 753 00:43:26,914 --> 00:43:28,467 If those technologies are derived as some believe 754 00:43:28,502 --> 00:43:31,919 from crashed UFOs then we may be talking 755 00:43:31,954 --> 00:43:35,578 about the exotic energy sources and propulsion 756 00:43:35,613 --> 00:43:39,893 systems that we'd need for viable interstellar travel. 757 00:43:39,927 --> 00:43:42,378 That certainly seems to be the aspiration 758 00:43:42,412 --> 00:43:45,692 implied by the organization's name. 759 00:43:45,726 --> 00:43:48,487 Is this the technology that would take humanity 760 00:43:48,522 --> 00:43:52,284 not just to the moon but to the stars? 761 00:43:52,319 --> 00:43:55,184 Do we already have that technology somewhere in 762 00:43:55,218 --> 00:43:59,257 the deep state and is the secrecy finally coming to an end? 763 00:44:01,431 --> 00:44:04,262 For years there have been rumors that there's a UFO 764 00:44:04,296 --> 00:44:08,507 cover up but that some of those involved want to end it. 765 00:44:08,542 --> 00:44:11,510 There are stories about factions within the intelligence 766 00:44:11,545 --> 00:44:15,963 community at war with each other over the UFO issue. 767 00:44:15,998 --> 00:44:19,277 Some want disclosure, others don't. 768 00:44:19,311 --> 00:44:22,142 Are the AATIP revelations the final move 769 00:44:22,176 --> 00:44:24,903 in a struggle that's gone on for over 70 yearS? 770 00:44:24,938 --> 00:44:28,976 Are we finally entering the end game? 771 00:44:29,011 --> 00:44:32,221 The October 2017 press conference generated 772 00:44:32,255 --> 00:44:35,500 significant media coverage but to create 773 00:44:35,534 --> 00:44:38,676 an even bigger impact another heavy hitter 774 00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:42,714 with close ties to government was needed. 775 00:44:42,749 --> 00:44:44,716 The person concerned was investigative 776 00:44:44,751 --> 00:44:47,443 journalist Leslie Kean. 777 00:44:47,477 --> 00:44:51,067 Kean isn't a member of the To the Stars Academy team 778 00:44:51,102 --> 00:44:54,484 but knows or has met most of the key players 779 00:44:54,519 --> 00:44:57,936 and has supported their efforts through her journalism. 780 00:44:57,971 --> 00:45:01,146 She has written extensively about the UFO issue 781 00:45:01,181 --> 00:45:03,735 for the mainstream media and published a best selling 782 00:45:03,770 --> 00:45:06,876 book on the subject which featured statements 783 00:45:06,911 --> 00:45:09,430 from various generals, pilots, and government 784 00:45:09,465 --> 00:45:12,502 officials who'd either seen a UFO themselves 785 00:45:12,537 --> 00:45:16,679 or been involved in official investigations. 786 00:45:16,714 --> 00:45:19,578 John Podesta wrote the forward and as a further 787 00:45:19,613 --> 00:45:23,134 illustration of her insider status, her uncle 788 00:45:23,168 --> 00:45:25,653 is Thomas Kean, the former governor 789 00:45:25,688 --> 00:45:29,312 of New Jersey who chaired the 9/11 commission. 790 00:45:31,245 --> 00:45:34,041 Leslie Kean wrote two articles for the Huffington Post 791 00:45:34,076 --> 00:45:38,080 about the To the Stars Academy but then she reached 792 00:45:38,114 --> 00:45:41,117 out to a long term contact, Ralph Blumenthal 793 00:45:41,152 --> 00:45:44,431 an investigative journalist at the New York Times. 794 00:45:44,465 --> 00:45:47,572 The Times has hardly ever covered the topic of UFOs 795 00:45:47,606 --> 00:45:51,783 but Kean briefed Blumenthal on the To the Stars Academy 796 00:45:51,818 --> 00:45:56,305 and on AATIP and set up a meeting with Luis Elizondo. 797 00:45:56,339 --> 00:45:58,479 Before the Times would publish the story, 798 00:45:58,514 --> 00:46:02,621 they went through a meticulous fact checking process. 799 00:46:02,656 --> 00:46:06,522 This included getting confirmation from Senator Harry Reid 800 00:46:06,556 --> 00:46:10,595 who'd instigated the program, interviewing Luis Elizondo 801 00:46:10,629 --> 00:46:13,322 who'd headed it up, and acquiring documentation 802 00:46:13,356 --> 00:46:16,843 that confirmed the existence of the program 803 00:46:16,877 --> 00:46:19,397 including some of the contracts dealing 804 00:46:19,431 --> 00:46:22,020 with the Congressional appropriation. 805 00:46:23,194 --> 00:46:24,954 There was also a letter from Senator Reid 806 00:46:24,989 --> 00:46:27,750 requesting that AATIP be given restricted 807 00:46:27,785 --> 00:46:30,995 special access program status. 808 00:46:31,029 --> 00:46:34,170 The final piece of the puzzle was provided 809 00:46:34,205 --> 00:46:36,517 when another Times journalist met with the Pentagon 810 00:46:36,552 --> 00:46:40,625 spokesperson who confirmed the existence of the program. 811 00:46:41,833 --> 00:46:45,595 The presses rolled and on December 16th 2017 812 00:46:45,630 --> 00:46:49,185 the New York Times published the twin stories, 813 00:46:49,220 --> 00:46:52,637 one about AATIP and the other about David Frevor 814 00:46:52,671 --> 00:46:56,399 and Jim Slate's spectacular midair encounter 815 00:46:56,434 --> 00:46:59,575 with a UFO captured on film. 816 00:47:00,818 --> 00:47:02,854 When the New York Times first revealed 817 00:47:02,889 --> 00:47:05,098 the existence of AATIP, the Washington Post 818 00:47:05,132 --> 00:47:08,929 and Politico soon followed with stories of their own. 819 00:47:08,964 --> 00:47:11,552 This was followed by news reports and interviews 820 00:47:11,587 --> 00:47:13,692 with some of the key players running 821 00:47:13,727 --> 00:47:16,212 on most of the major TV networks. 822 00:47:16,247 --> 00:47:18,870 Here was the mainstream media, which traditionally 823 00:47:18,905 --> 00:47:22,080 either ignores or ridicules the topic, 824 00:47:22,115 --> 00:47:25,532 giving it extensive, positive coverage. 825 00:47:26,913 --> 00:47:28,776 As often as not it was the science correspondent 826 00:47:28,811 --> 00:47:32,573 writing the story up in the newspaper reports. 827 00:47:32,608 --> 00:47:34,541 But what did the government say? 828 00:47:35,956 --> 00:47:38,407 In writing up their stories, the Times and the Post 829 00:47:38,441 --> 00:47:42,204 approached the DoD and the DIA for comments. 830 00:47:42,238 --> 00:47:45,932 Indeed it was part of the meticulous fact checking process 831 00:47:45,966 --> 00:47:48,900 and the stories wouldn't have been published at all 832 00:47:48,935 --> 00:47:51,523 if the government hadn't confirmed, reluctantly, 833 00:47:51,558 --> 00:47:54,457 that, yes, they had a program. 834 00:47:55,596 --> 00:47:57,840 Once the initial stories had been published, 835 00:47:57,875 --> 00:47:59,738 the flood gates opened. 836 00:47:59,773 --> 00:48:03,846 The world's media besieged these agencies with questions. 837 00:48:03,881 --> 00:48:05,468 So what did they say? 838 00:48:05,503 --> 00:48:08,920 What they always say when asked about UFOs, 839 00:48:08,955 --> 00:48:11,819 as little as they can get away with. 840 00:48:13,235 --> 00:48:17,618 The policy is always the same, downplay everything. 841 00:48:17,653 --> 00:48:19,931 For the record, here are the official statements 842 00:48:19,966 --> 00:48:22,347 that the Pentagon has made. 843 00:48:23,693 --> 00:48:26,593 ♪♪ 844 00:48:42,022 --> 00:48:44,162 When asked if UFO sightings were still being investigated 845 00:48:44,197 --> 00:48:47,027 despite the claim that funding had been canceled 846 00:48:47,062 --> 00:48:50,858 the same spokesperson had this to say: 847 00:48:50,893 --> 00:48:53,931 ♪♪ 848 00:49:05,632 --> 00:49:08,946 When the AATIP story broke, UFO skeptics, 849 00:49:08,980 --> 00:49:11,879 particularly the aggressive debunking kind, 850 00:49:11,914 --> 00:49:15,676 were at a loss as how to respond. 851 00:49:15,711 --> 00:49:18,645 Their worst nightmare had just come true. 852 00:49:18,679 --> 00:49:21,406 For years, they'd delighted in portraying people 853 00:49:21,441 --> 00:49:24,064 who claimed the US government was secretly 854 00:49:24,099 --> 00:49:28,275 investigating UFOs as conspiracy nuts. 855 00:49:28,310 --> 00:49:31,278 But these so called conspiracy nuts had turned 856 00:49:31,313 --> 00:49:34,626 out to be irrefutably and demonstrably correct. 857 00:49:35,489 --> 00:49:38,216 The believers had the Navy videos of military 858 00:49:38,251 --> 00:49:42,496 jets chasing UFOs, they had Senator Harry Reid who confirmed 859 00:49:42,531 --> 00:49:46,776 everything and added, "I'm not embarrassed or ashamed 860 00:49:46,811 --> 00:49:50,573 or sorry I got this thing going." 861 00:49:50,608 --> 00:49:53,680 They had Luis Elizondo speaking on the record. 862 00:49:53,714 --> 00:49:55,682 They had the New York Times fact checking 863 00:49:55,716 --> 00:49:58,098 the story by having had sight of some of 864 00:49:58,133 --> 00:50:00,618 the contractual documentation and by speaking 865 00:50:00,652 --> 00:50:03,828 to others associated with AATIP. 866 00:50:03,862 --> 00:50:06,106 Finally, the icing on the cake, they had 867 00:50:06,141 --> 00:50:09,868 the Pentagon confirming the story was true. 868 00:50:09,903 --> 00:50:12,595 So what did the skeptics have? 869 00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:14,356 Not a lot. 870 00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:16,254 There were some half hearted attempts 871 00:50:16,289 --> 00:50:18,325 to explain away the videos in terms 872 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,983 of various mutually contradictory theories 873 00:50:21,018 --> 00:50:23,468 ranging from drones and reflections 874 00:50:23,503 --> 00:50:28,059 through to technical artifacts of the infrared camera. 875 00:50:28,094 --> 00:50:30,958 At times the debunkers appeared to have forgotten 876 00:50:30,993 --> 00:50:32,926 the testimony of the pilots themselves 877 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,894 who confirmed they had visual sightings of the object 878 00:50:35,929 --> 00:50:39,070 as well as the object showing up on film. 879 00:50:40,485 --> 00:50:42,763 When Commander Frevor gave an interview in which 880 00:50:42,798 --> 00:50:45,490 he said the object he chased accelerated like 881 00:50:45,525 --> 00:50:48,666 nothing I've ever seen, debunkers resorted 882 00:50:48,700 --> 00:50:51,910 to the unsubstantiated claim that pilots 883 00:50:51,945 --> 00:50:55,569 don't make very good UFO witnesses. 884 00:50:55,604 --> 00:50:58,779 And they ignored other aspects of the story altogether. 885 00:50:58,814 --> 00:51:02,093 Such as the fact the UFO had been tracked on military radar. 886 00:51:03,301 --> 00:51:05,372 Even astrophysicist and TV personality 887 00:51:05,407 --> 00:51:07,961 Neil deGrasse Tyson got in on the story 888 00:51:07,995 --> 00:51:10,998 with an interview on CNN in which he somewhat 889 00:51:11,033 --> 00:51:13,449 disingenuously described the footage 890 00:51:13,484 --> 00:51:17,108 as fuzzy video before proceeding to restate 891 00:51:17,143 --> 00:51:20,007 his skeptical views about UFOs. 892 00:51:21,181 --> 00:51:23,252 There were other targets when it came to 893 00:51:23,287 --> 00:51:25,599 the wrath of the debunkers. 894 00:51:25,634 --> 00:51:28,395 Tom DeLonge's To the Stars Academy was described 895 00:51:28,430 --> 00:51:31,640 as a money making organization because it invites 896 00:51:31,674 --> 00:51:35,092 people to invest and become shareholders. 897 00:51:35,126 --> 00:51:37,749 In fact, the organization is classified as 898 00:51:37,784 --> 00:51:41,098 a public benefit corporation and the 63 page 899 00:51:41,132 --> 00:51:44,963 offering circular was not only filed with 900 00:51:44,998 --> 00:51:47,138 the US Securities and Exchange Commission, 901 00:51:47,173 --> 00:51:51,453 it was published on the To the Stars Academy website. 902 00:51:51,487 --> 00:51:52,799 Money making? 903 00:51:52,833 --> 00:51:55,491 Perhaps, but money raising might have 904 00:51:55,526 --> 00:51:57,700 been a less loaded term. 905 00:51:58,149 --> 00:52:01,014 The aim was to allow anyone interested to get 906 00:52:01,048 --> 00:52:03,637 involved in the project so they have a chance 907 00:52:03,672 --> 00:52:06,261 to play their part in bringing technologies they 908 00:52:06,295 --> 00:52:08,263 believe are locked up within government out 909 00:52:08,297 --> 00:52:11,749 of the shadows and into the light of day. 910 00:52:11,783 --> 00:52:15,132 Despite the skeptical criticism, the To the Stars Academy 911 00:52:15,166 --> 00:52:19,205 it seems has been quite open about its operation. 912 00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,139 Can the same be said about the government? 913 00:52:23,795 --> 00:52:25,935 When the New York Times published their story 914 00:52:25,970 --> 00:52:29,284 about AATIP, the DoD and the DIA were bombarded 915 00:52:29,318 --> 00:52:33,495 with Freedom of Information Act requests. 916 00:52:33,529 --> 00:52:35,980 After only two or three weeks, well over 917 00:52:36,014 --> 00:52:37,982 a thousand had been received. 918 00:52:38,016 --> 00:52:40,778 The system ground to a halt with FOIA staff 919 00:52:40,812 --> 00:52:43,608 sinking in a sea of paperwork. 920 00:52:44,816 --> 00:52:47,164 It's likely that most of these requests will 921 00:52:47,198 --> 00:52:50,684 be turned down as being too wide in scope 922 00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,031 and that many of the rest will be rejected 923 00:52:53,066 --> 00:52:55,896 either under the exemption covering classified 924 00:52:55,931 --> 00:52:59,728 information for national defense or foreign policy, 925 00:52:59,762 --> 00:53:03,041 or if any information is deemed to belong in part 926 00:53:03,076 --> 00:53:06,286 to Bigelow Aerospace under the exemption it pertains 927 00:53:06,321 --> 00:53:11,291 to trade secrets and confidential business information. 928 00:53:11,326 --> 00:53:14,156 If journalists or UFO researchers thought 929 00:53:14,191 --> 00:53:16,814 the Freedom of Information Act would help them uncover 930 00:53:16,848 --> 00:53:20,197 the secrets of America's secret UFO project, 931 00:53:20,231 --> 00:53:23,061 they were in for an unpleasant surprise. 932 00:53:25,236 --> 00:53:27,687 On the question of uncovering AATIP's secrets 933 00:53:27,721 --> 00:53:31,622 and finding out what more remains to be revealed 934 00:53:31,656 --> 00:53:33,831 there's another intriguing possibility. 935 00:53:34,970 --> 00:53:37,421 AATIP was the Pentagon's secret UFO project, 936 00:53:37,455 --> 00:53:40,493 successfully hidden for years from Congress, 937 00:53:40,527 --> 00:53:42,874 the media, and the public. 938 00:53:42,909 --> 00:53:44,566 They certainly had lots of unknowns 939 00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,706 and lots of great evidence. 940 00:53:46,740 --> 00:53:48,742 Testimony, technical documents, 941 00:53:48,777 --> 00:53:53,126 analyses, videos, even materials. 942 00:53:54,231 --> 00:53:55,991 But by their own admission, they didn't 943 00:53:56,025 --> 00:53:58,373 have all the answers. 944 00:53:58,407 --> 00:54:00,685 Maybe they had fragments of something that 945 00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:03,274 crashed but from what we know so far, 946 00:54:03,309 --> 00:54:05,932 they didn't have an actual craft. 947 00:54:05,966 --> 00:54:09,246 And they didn't have aliens dead or alive. 948 00:54:10,592 --> 00:54:13,388 Yet, for years, researchers have claimed that's 949 00:54:13,422 --> 00:54:16,218 precisely what the government does have. 950 00:54:16,253 --> 00:54:19,014 Could it be that the reason AATIP didn't have 951 00:54:19,048 --> 00:54:22,086 all the answers is that there was another program 952 00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:27,125 so secret, so deeply buried, so cleverly hidden 953 00:54:28,299 --> 00:54:31,026 that even AATIP couldn't find it? 954 00:54:31,060 --> 00:54:35,168 Luis Elizondo certainly admits this is a possibility. 955 00:54:35,202 --> 00:54:37,412 The US intelligence community is comprised 956 00:54:37,446 --> 00:54:41,381 of 17 separate organizations. 957 00:54:41,416 --> 00:54:43,210 As I know only too well from my own government 958 00:54:43,245 --> 00:54:46,386 experience, there are rivalries and jealousies 959 00:54:46,421 --> 00:54:49,044 between different agencies as they compete 960 00:54:49,078 --> 00:54:52,289 for resources influence and power. 961 00:54:53,704 --> 00:54:55,706 One of the most common ways in which these tensions 962 00:54:55,740 --> 00:54:59,675 manifest themselves is poor information sharing, 963 00:54:59,710 --> 00:55:03,817 especially in the case of highly classified information. 964 00:55:03,852 --> 00:55:05,819 Intelligence officers are understandably 965 00:55:05,854 --> 00:55:08,581 reluctant to talk to one another. 966 00:55:08,615 --> 00:55:12,309 A classic example of this was 9/11 and the 9/11 967 00:55:12,343 --> 00:55:15,553 commission's final report stated that poor 968 00:55:15,588 --> 00:55:19,246 information sharing between the CIA and 969 00:55:19,281 --> 00:55:22,595 the FBI was a contributing factor. 970 00:55:22,629 --> 00:55:25,598 Even though everyone's supposed to be on the same side, 971 00:55:25,632 --> 00:55:29,360 the reality is that people work in silos. 972 00:55:30,810 --> 00:55:32,398 What if the rumors are true? 973 00:55:32,432 --> 00:55:36,229 What if a secret cabal, perhaps Majestic 12, 974 00:55:36,263 --> 00:55:39,715 have known about, managed, and covered up 975 00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:44,375 the alien presence since the Roswell incident in 1947? 976 00:55:44,410 --> 00:55:47,620 Just because the Pentagon set up their own UFO 977 00:55:47,654 --> 00:55:51,037 program in 2007 doesn't mean Majestic 12 978 00:55:51,071 --> 00:55:53,384 would reach out to people they might regard 979 00:55:53,419 --> 00:55:56,042 as the new kids on the block. 980 00:55:56,076 --> 00:55:59,252 And smart though Luis Elizondo and his colleagues were, 981 00:55:59,286 --> 00:56:04,291 if Majestic 12 is real, maybe AATIP didn't find them. 982 00:56:05,223 --> 00:56:08,399 UFO secrecy is like an onion, every time you peel 983 00:56:08,434 --> 00:56:11,954 away a layer, there's another one underneath. 984 00:56:11,989 --> 00:56:15,682 Now we know about AATIP, what else might there be? 985 00:56:15,717 --> 00:56:17,719 And could the revelation about AATIP have 986 00:56:17,753 --> 00:56:19,065 been a deliberate tactic? 987 00:56:20,446 --> 00:56:22,896 The best way to stop people looking for something 988 00:56:22,931 --> 00:56:25,623 is to convince them they've found it. 989 00:56:27,038 --> 00:56:29,386 Now we've found AATIP, much of the UFO community 990 00:56:29,420 --> 00:56:32,216 has stopped looking for anything else. 991 00:56:32,250 --> 00:56:34,460 They think they've found the pot of gold 992 00:56:34,494 --> 00:56:36,876 at the end of the UFO rainbow. 993 00:56:36,910 --> 00:56:39,879 Maybe they have but maybe they haven't. 994 00:56:39,913 --> 00:56:43,641 It's possible that outing AATIP was deliberate, 995 00:56:43,676 --> 00:56:47,093 a clever tactic designed to distract people's 996 00:56:47,127 --> 00:56:50,579 attention from something else. 997 00:56:50,614 --> 00:56:53,824 The UFO community often talks about disclosure, 998 00:56:53,858 --> 00:56:57,068 they even spell it with a big D. 999 00:56:57,103 --> 00:57:00,037 It's the holy grail of ufology. 1000 00:57:00,071 --> 00:57:04,386 To true believers, it unfolds something like this. 1001 00:57:04,421 --> 00:57:07,009 The White House reaches out to the major TV news 1002 00:57:07,044 --> 00:57:09,460 networks and other mainstream media outlets. 1003 00:57:09,495 --> 00:57:12,118 They let it be known that the president will address 1004 00:57:12,152 --> 00:57:15,742 the nation that evening probably during prime time. 1005 00:57:15,777 --> 00:57:18,055 A press conference is dually scheduled and 1006 00:57:18,089 --> 00:57:21,541 the president steps forward and begins a speech that 1007 00:57:21,576 --> 00:57:24,820 will be heard by almost everyone on the face of the planet 1008 00:57:24,855 --> 00:57:27,823 and which will fundamentally alter our knowledge 1009 00:57:27,858 --> 00:57:30,170 and perception of who we are and what 1010 00:57:30,205 --> 00:57:33,484 our place is in the wider cosmos. 1011 00:57:33,519 --> 00:57:37,143 It will be remembered for all time as we remember 1012 00:57:37,177 --> 00:57:40,491 other speeches that changed the world. 1013 00:57:40,526 --> 00:57:43,183 "A day that will live in infamy", 1014 00:57:43,218 --> 00:57:45,807 "I have a dream." 1015 00:57:45,841 --> 00:57:48,465 We can't predict exactly what will be said 1016 00:57:48,499 --> 00:57:50,743 but this will be its essence: 1017 00:57:51,916 --> 00:57:55,161 ♪♪ 1018 00:57:57,853 --> 00:57:59,855 That's disclosure. 1019 00:58:00,580 --> 00:58:04,998 It's a nice idea but it's probably never going to happen. 1020 00:58:06,172 --> 00:58:08,657 The problem isn't the existence of aliens 1021 00:58:08,692 --> 00:58:12,178 the problem is the inescapable implication 1022 00:58:12,212 --> 00:58:14,491 that the government has known about this 1023 00:58:14,525 --> 00:58:17,183 for decades but lied about it. 1024 00:58:18,529 --> 00:58:20,600 It would be a constitutional and legal nightmare 1025 00:58:20,635 --> 00:58:23,292 and would fundamentally undermine 1026 00:58:23,327 --> 00:58:26,261 the credibility of political leaders. 1027 00:58:26,295 --> 00:58:29,436 How could the government get around this? 1028 00:58:29,471 --> 00:58:33,510 How about disclosure not with a big D but with a little d. 1029 00:58:33,544 --> 00:58:37,790 Soft disclosure as opposed to hard disclosure if you like. 1030 00:58:37,824 --> 00:58:41,000 What would soft disclosure look like? 1031 00:58:41,034 --> 00:58:43,968 Actually it would probably look pretty 1032 00:58:44,003 --> 00:58:46,177 much like what's happening now. 1033 00:58:46,212 --> 00:58:48,594 A situation where a group of distinguished government, 1034 00:58:48,628 --> 00:58:51,631 military, intelligence, and aviation community 1035 00:58:51,666 --> 00:58:54,979 professionals step forward, speak out, 1036 00:58:55,014 --> 00:58:57,913 and confirm that UFOs are real. 1037 00:58:58,742 --> 00:59:00,778 It's a way of getting the message out without 1038 00:59:00,813 --> 00:59:03,505 the government having to do it and having to face 1039 00:59:03,540 --> 00:59:06,750 the myriad legal and constitutional consequences that 1040 00:59:06,784 --> 00:59:11,582 might result from the open admission of a 70 year cover up. 1041 00:59:11,617 --> 00:59:14,171 It's a way of getting everyone to accept the truth 1042 00:59:14,205 --> 00:59:17,692 without having to expose a decades long conspiracy 1043 00:59:17,726 --> 00:59:21,592 to suppress the biggest story of all time. 1044 00:59:21,627 --> 00:59:23,560 Of course UFOs are real, people will say, 1045 00:59:23,594 --> 00:59:25,907 I've seen it on the TV news and read it 1046 00:59:25,941 --> 00:59:27,943 in my morning newspaper. 1047 00:59:28,772 --> 00:59:30,428 That's soft disclosure. 1048 00:59:31,602 --> 00:59:33,984 There's a related theory, it's called 1049 00:59:34,018 --> 00:59:36,331 the acclimatization theory. 1050 00:59:37,746 --> 00:59:39,645 According to the acclimatization theory, 1051 00:59:39,679 --> 00:59:42,233 there's an organized government campaign 1052 00:59:42,268 --> 00:59:46,686 to drip feed us the truth slowly, piece by piece, 1053 00:59:46,721 --> 00:59:49,482 information will be revealed. 1054 00:59:49,516 --> 00:59:51,967 Sometimes it might involve the release of documents 1055 00:59:52,002 --> 00:59:55,384 and on other occasions it might relate to a whistleblower 1056 00:59:55,419 --> 00:59:59,078 or to phots and videos of UFOs. 1057 00:59:59,112 --> 01:00:02,081 Proponents of the acclimatization theory 1058 01:00:02,115 --> 01:00:04,739 believe the aim is to soften people up 1059 01:00:04,773 --> 01:00:07,673 to gradually over a period of decades 1060 01:00:07,707 --> 01:00:11,746 embed concepts of UFOs and aliens so deeply 1061 01:00:11,780 --> 01:00:14,472 into our awareness that when the reality 1062 01:00:14,507 --> 01:00:17,959 of extraterrestrial visitation is finally revealed, 1063 01:00:17,993 --> 01:00:20,547 there won't be panic in the streets 1064 01:00:20,582 --> 01:00:22,826 but a quiet acceptance. 1065 01:00:22,860 --> 01:00:26,761 It won't be run for the hills, it'll be I knew it. 1066 01:00:27,934 --> 01:00:30,385 The bottom line is that you don't shock people 1067 01:00:30,419 --> 01:00:33,975 by telling them something they already believe. 1068 01:00:35,355 --> 01:00:37,012 Are the revelations concerning the Pentagon's 1069 01:00:37,047 --> 01:00:41,189 UFO program part of an acclimatization plan? 1070 01:00:41,223 --> 01:00:43,881 And if so, is it one of the final moves 1071 01:00:43,916 --> 01:00:46,573 before the big reveal? 1072 01:00:46,608 --> 01:00:49,646 Might we get hard disclosure after all? 1073 01:00:51,061 --> 01:00:54,029 There was to be a final twist in the AATIP story. 1074 01:00:54,064 --> 01:00:56,480 In a sense, it was the ultimate irony. 1075 01:00:57,688 --> 01:00:59,897 For years, conspiracy theorists had suspected 1076 01:00:59,932 --> 01:01:03,314 the US government was lying about UFOs, 1077 01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:07,594 covering up the truth about an extraterrestrial reality. 1078 01:01:07,629 --> 01:01:11,771 Now with the existence of AATIP in the public domain, 1079 01:01:11,806 --> 01:01:14,084 it was suggested there was a different agenda. 1080 01:01:14,118 --> 01:01:16,638 Some people claim that the government had made 1081 01:01:16,673 --> 01:01:20,159 up the evidence of extraterrestrial visitation. 1082 01:01:20,193 --> 01:01:22,886 They suggested that the real aim of all this 1083 01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:27,925 was to bring about a false flag alien invasion. 1084 01:01:29,306 --> 01:01:31,722 The false flag alien invasion theory postulates 1085 01:01:31,757 --> 01:01:35,692 that the Illuminati or whoever people might suggest 1086 01:01:35,726 --> 01:01:38,833 is responsible for the UFO cover up are deliberately 1087 01:01:38,867 --> 01:01:42,733 creating belief in aliens. 1088 01:01:42,768 --> 01:01:45,529 In this bizarre worldview, there are no aliens, 1089 01:01:45,563 --> 01:01:49,119 rather the powers that be are manufacturing 1090 01:01:49,153 --> 01:01:52,916 a threat that doesn't exist. 1091 01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:55,366 A combination of Hollywood special effects 1092 01:01:55,401 --> 01:01:59,612 and government propaganda can fake anything you like. 1093 01:01:59,646 --> 01:02:01,683 The second coming of Christ or, 1094 01:02:01,718 --> 01:02:04,272 some believe, an alien invasion. 1095 01:02:05,756 --> 01:02:08,310 It's been claimed that not only do such plans exist 1096 01:02:08,345 --> 01:02:13,315 but that the program even has a code name, Project BlueBeam. 1097 01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,251 Faking an alien threat is what the man who developed 1098 01:02:18,286 --> 01:02:20,909 the space rocket, Wernher von Braun, allegedly 1099 01:02:20,944 --> 01:02:24,775 described on his deathbed as being the last card, 1100 01:02:24,810 --> 01:02:28,572 the ultimate way in which shadowy forces would 1101 01:02:28,606 --> 01:02:31,644 make their bid to take over the world. 1102 01:02:32,749 --> 01:02:35,682 Because if 9/11 brought us the PATRIOT Act 1103 01:02:35,717 --> 01:02:38,789 which many believe was a tool to take away various rights 1104 01:02:38,824 --> 01:02:42,620 and freedoms and a fake alien invasion could allow 1105 01:02:42,655 --> 01:02:45,762 the Illuminati or whoever these unseen forces 1106 01:02:45,796 --> 01:02:49,904 of darkness may be to sweep away not just freedoms 1107 01:02:49,938 --> 01:02:54,253 but the entire concept of nationhood. 1108 01:02:55,737 --> 01:02:59,430 The world would have to unite to fight the common alien foe. 1109 01:02:59,465 --> 01:03:02,157 President Reagan talked about such a scenario 1110 01:03:02,192 --> 01:03:07,197 in a 1987 address to the United Nations General Assembly. 1111 01:03:08,543 --> 01:03:10,027 And we've seen the scenario play out in movies 1112 01:03:10,062 --> 01:03:12,478 such as Independence Day, movies that some believe 1113 01:03:12,512 --> 01:03:16,240 are designed to embed these concepts into our awareness 1114 01:03:16,275 --> 01:03:20,141 as part of an indoctrination process. 1115 01:03:20,175 --> 01:03:25,180 It would literally bring about a new world order. 1116 01:03:26,526 --> 01:03:29,219 It sounds like science fiction but if it isn't 1117 01:03:29,253 --> 01:03:32,532 the revelations about AATIP may be a sign 1118 01:03:32,567 --> 01:03:36,709 that the diabolical plan is about to be put into motion. 1119 01:03:45,269 --> 01:03:48,031 When we assess the truth about AATIP, 1120 01:03:48,065 --> 01:03:50,516 perhaps we should give the last word not to conspiracy 1121 01:03:50,550 --> 01:03:53,588 theorists with their bizarre ideas or to government 1122 01:03:53,622 --> 01:03:56,660 press officers with their slick soundbites, 1123 01:03:56,694 --> 01:04:01,699 but to Luis Elizondo, the man who actually ran the program. 1124 01:04:02,873 --> 01:04:04,323 When he resigned from government service, 1125 01:04:04,357 --> 01:04:07,188 he wrote a letter to Defense Secretary Jim Mattis 1126 01:04:07,222 --> 01:04:10,363 expressing his frustration. 1127 01:04:10,398 --> 01:04:13,988 He wrote: 1128 01:04:23,998 --> 01:04:27,933 ♪♪ 1129 01:04:34,940 --> 01:04:37,425 An existential threat? 1130 01:04:37,459 --> 01:04:40,428 Coming from a man who ran the Pentagon's UFO project, 1131 01:04:40,462 --> 01:04:44,846 that bombshell phrase is probably the most disturbing 1132 01:04:44,881 --> 01:04:47,918 statement ever made about UFOs by someone 1133 01:04:47,953 --> 01:04:50,645 with inside knowledge of the subject. 1134 01:04:50,679 --> 01:04:54,269 It speaks not just to the reality of the phenomenon 1135 01:04:54,304 --> 01:04:56,996 but to some deep and terrible secret about 1136 01:04:57,031 --> 01:05:00,551 the true nature of UFOs and the true motives 1137 01:05:00,586 --> 01:05:04,314 of these mysterious visitors to planet Earth. 1138 01:05:13,150 --> 01:05:16,913 [dramatic music] 90332

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