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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,145 --> 00:00:11,114 Where's the little red book? 2 00:00:11,149 --> 00:00:12,771 This it--yeah. 3 00:00:12,805 --> 00:00:14,324 This is a copy 4 00:00:14,359 --> 00:00:18,708 of the "Book of Quotations" from Mao Zedong 5 00:00:18,742 --> 00:00:20,606 that was universal during 6 00:00:20,641 --> 00:00:24,679 the Cultural Revolution and, um, 7 00:00:24,714 --> 00:00:29,650 on May 1, 1967, 8 00:00:29,684 --> 00:00:33,792 up on the Tiananmen Gate Tower with Chairman Mao, 9 00:00:33,826 --> 00:00:37,278 I got him to autograph my copy. 10 00:00:37,313 --> 00:00:38,797 Now that was one 11 00:00:38,831 --> 00:00:41,627 of the stupidest moments of my life, 12 00:00:41,662 --> 00:00:44,492 because I really missed a terrific opportunity, 13 00:00:44,527 --> 00:00:49,497 because with--I gave him my little ballpoint pen. 14 00:00:49,532 --> 00:00:53,363 And with pen poised in hand, he looked at me and said, 15 00:00:53,398 --> 00:00:56,090 "What do you want me to write?" 16 00:00:56,125 --> 00:00:58,748 And I could've said, "Write a line of poetry, 17 00:00:58,782 --> 00:01:02,234 or write a message to the American people," 18 00:01:02,269 --> 00:01:03,546 or whatever. 19 00:01:03,580 --> 00:01:07,101 But I totally froze and I said, 20 00:01:07,136 --> 00:01:10,587 "Oh, just sign your name." 21 00:01:10,622 --> 00:01:11,761 What a jerk. 22 00:01:11,795 --> 00:01:14,177 So he just signed his name. 23 00:01:14,212 --> 00:01:20,804 ♪ 24 00:01:20,839 --> 00:01:22,530 He was a great hero 25 00:01:22,565 --> 00:01:26,810 and a great criminal all rolled up into one. 26 00:01:26,845 --> 00:01:31,781 He was a genius whose genius got completely out of control. 27 00:01:31,815 --> 00:01:39,168 ♪ 28 00:01:39,202 --> 00:01:44,138 What every revolution needs are true believers. 29 00:01:44,173 --> 00:01:48,108 In America, Sidney Rittenberg had taken the side of workers, 30 00:01:48,142 --> 00:01:49,868 and of civil rights. 31 00:01:49,902 --> 00:01:54,424 In China he saw himself on the side of history. 32 00:01:54,459 --> 00:01:57,289 And if only for one brief historic moment, 33 00:01:57,324 --> 00:01:58,704 he would become known 34 00:01:58,739 --> 00:02:00,327 as the most important foreigner 35 00:02:00,361 --> 00:02:04,227 in China since Marco Polo. 36 00:02:04,262 --> 00:02:07,989 I'm thinking that I'm part of history. 37 00:02:08,024 --> 00:02:11,683 That thought was my undoing later on. 38 00:02:11,717 --> 00:02:12,925 But that's what I'm thinking. 39 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,687 I'm really--I'm getting to be part of history. 40 00:02:15,721 --> 00:02:18,068 I can play a role. 41 00:02:21,693 --> 00:02:26,836 ♪ 42 00:02:26,836 --> 00:02:31,703 ♪ 43 00:03:01,215 --> 00:03:03,217 Are my feet gonna be on camera? 44 00:03:03,252 --> 00:03:04,287 No, they are not. 45 00:03:04,322 --> 00:03:05,219 Okay. 46 00:03:05,254 --> 00:03:07,221 They are not. 47 00:03:07,256 --> 00:03:09,119 And we're rolling. 48 00:03:09,154 --> 00:03:10,983 Okay. 49 00:03:11,018 --> 00:03:13,400 Sidney, tell me 50 00:03:13,434 --> 00:03:16,230 where and when you were born. 51 00:03:16,265 --> 00:03:19,613 I was born on Rutledge Avenue 52 00:03:19,647 --> 00:03:21,753 in Charleston, South Carolina, 53 00:03:21,787 --> 00:03:26,654 August 14, 1921. 54 00:03:26,689 --> 00:03:29,588 This was the start of a five year conversation. 55 00:03:29,623 --> 00:03:31,625 One man's account of a journey 56 00:03:31,659 --> 00:03:34,006 through the 20th Century's biggest revolution. 57 00:03:34,041 --> 00:03:36,906 ♪ 58 00:03:36,940 --> 00:03:38,114 For many Americans, 59 00:03:38,148 --> 00:03:41,324 it was an event both remote and frightening. 60 00:03:41,359 --> 00:03:44,016 China and America were isolated from one another 61 00:03:44,051 --> 00:03:45,811 by the Cold War, 62 00:03:45,846 --> 00:03:50,057 the politics and passions of the 1950s and '60s. 63 00:03:50,091 --> 00:03:53,094 ♪ 64 00:03:53,129 --> 00:03:56,339 But one American, Sidney Rittenberg, was there. 65 00:03:56,374 --> 00:03:58,376 As close as a foreigner could be 66 00:03:58,410 --> 00:04:03,277 to China's revolutionary upheaval. 67 00:04:03,312 --> 00:04:07,799 It's an unlikely story, far removed from its beginnings 68 00:04:07,833 --> 00:04:09,283 in Charleston, South Carolina. 69 00:04:09,318 --> 00:04:15,462 ♪ 70 00:04:15,496 --> 00:04:18,430 As a prominent Jewish family in the Old South, 71 00:04:18,465 --> 00:04:22,641 the Rittenbergs still were outsiders. 72 00:04:22,676 --> 00:04:26,542 From an early age, Sidney knew something about injustice, 73 00:04:26,576 --> 00:04:29,269 and about China. 74 00:04:29,303 --> 00:04:32,133 I grew up hearing that there were three things 75 00:04:32,168 --> 00:04:36,068 that Charlestonians shared in common with Chinese. 76 00:04:36,103 --> 00:04:39,279 First was that we ate rice everyday. 77 00:04:39,313 --> 00:04:42,765 The second was that we worship our ancestors. 78 00:04:42,799 --> 00:04:47,287 And the third was that we don't speak English. 79 00:04:47,321 --> 00:04:49,185 Raised to be a southern gentleman, 80 00:04:49,219 --> 00:04:50,807 he was headed to Princeton. 81 00:04:50,842 --> 00:04:54,155 Instead he chose the University of North Carolina, 82 00:04:54,190 --> 00:04:56,848 whose progressive environment of the 1930s 83 00:04:56,882 --> 00:05:00,092 was tolerant of student activism. 84 00:05:00,127 --> 00:05:02,302 By the time he was 19, 85 00:05:02,336 --> 00:05:05,512 Sidney's participation in undergraduate politics, 86 00:05:05,546 --> 00:05:08,515 and community action had attracted the attention 87 00:05:08,549 --> 00:05:11,241 of a union organizer named Carpenter 88 00:05:11,276 --> 00:05:14,279 in the nearby mill town of Roanoke Rapids. 89 00:05:14,314 --> 00:05:16,626 Every month they put 90 00:05:16,661 --> 00:05:19,629 one dollar each into a cigar box, 91 00:05:19,664 --> 00:05:22,977 waiting for the day when they could hire their own guy 92 00:05:23,012 --> 00:05:25,532 to organize a real union. 93 00:05:25,566 --> 00:05:28,155 And then it was Carpenter 94 00:05:28,189 --> 00:05:31,261 who wrote me a letter to Chapel Hill 95 00:05:31,296 --> 00:05:34,126 saying that they had this cigar box of money 96 00:05:34,161 --> 00:05:36,991 and that if I could come out 97 00:05:37,026 --> 00:05:40,270 and help them set up a union, 98 00:05:40,305 --> 00:05:44,205 they could afford to pay $6.00 a week, 99 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,208 which would go to Mrs. Glasgow, 100 00:05:47,243 --> 00:05:52,041 who would give me bed and board in her boarding house. 101 00:05:52,075 --> 00:05:54,802 And so that's what I did. 102 00:05:54,837 --> 00:05:59,600 ♪ 103 00:05:59,635 --> 00:06:02,051 At a time when American workers were struggling 104 00:06:02,085 --> 00:06:05,468 for collective bargaining rights and a minimum wage, 105 00:06:05,503 --> 00:06:08,437 Rittenberg took up the fight for textile workers, 106 00:06:08,471 --> 00:06:10,887 for tobacco and quarry workers, 107 00:06:10,922 --> 00:06:13,580 bus drivers, and steel workers. 108 00:06:13,614 --> 00:06:17,929 And in Birmingham, Alabama, the newspaper guild. 109 00:06:17,963 --> 00:06:19,344 His most memorable lessons 110 00:06:19,379 --> 00:06:22,692 were being learned outside the classroom. 111 00:06:22,727 --> 00:06:26,558 This big Birmingham cop comes up and he says, 112 00:06:26,593 --> 00:06:28,388 "You can't be on the sidewalk. 113 00:06:28,422 --> 00:06:30,528 You gotta get away from here." 114 00:06:30,562 --> 00:06:35,498 And I said, "Look, according to police regulations, 115 00:06:35,533 --> 00:06:37,983 half of this sidewalk is for pickets. 116 00:06:38,018 --> 00:06:40,227 The other half is pedestrians." 117 00:06:40,261 --> 00:06:42,332 And he says, "Yeah, but, you can't be a picket 118 00:06:42,367 --> 00:06:43,817 because you don't work there." 119 00:06:43,851 --> 00:06:45,991 And I said, "Okay, so I'm a pedestrian. 120 00:06:46,026 --> 00:06:48,580 So I have a right to be here." 121 00:06:48,615 --> 00:06:50,444 The right to be here. 122 00:06:50,479 --> 00:06:55,415 So he looks at me with real pity in his eyes, real pity, 123 00:06:55,449 --> 00:06:58,832 and he says, "Son, you ain't got no rights. 124 00:06:58,866 --> 00:07:02,042 Rights are what you think you got." 125 00:07:02,076 --> 00:07:04,976 Lesson in political science I never forgot. 126 00:07:05,010 --> 00:07:07,288 Really. 127 00:07:07,323 --> 00:07:11,051 What led you to China and to the Chinese Revolution? 128 00:07:11,085 --> 00:07:14,434 Uncle Sam. 129 00:07:14,468 --> 00:07:16,539 When America entered World War II, 130 00:07:16,574 --> 00:07:18,645 Rittenberg was drafted. 131 00:07:18,679 --> 00:07:20,543 The Army put him back in the classroom 132 00:07:20,578 --> 00:07:24,789 for a crash course in Chinese. 133 00:07:24,823 --> 00:07:28,482 Next thing I know, I'm on a train headed for Stanford. 134 00:07:28,517 --> 00:07:31,036 Then I find myself in Chinese. 135 00:07:31,071 --> 00:07:35,903 And quite to my surprise, from the very first class, 136 00:07:35,938 --> 00:07:38,872 I just totally fell in love with this language. 137 00:07:38,906 --> 00:07:42,427 ♪ 138 00:07:42,462 --> 00:07:44,912 By the time Rittenberg shipped out to China, 139 00:07:44,947 --> 00:07:46,845 the World War was over. 140 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,745 But a Civil War was in progress. 141 00:07:49,779 --> 00:07:52,402 China's future would be decided in the conflict 142 00:07:52,437 --> 00:07:54,577 between the ruling Nationalist Party, 143 00:07:54,612 --> 00:07:58,098 and the insurgent Chinese Communists. 144 00:07:58,132 --> 00:08:01,964 All around him, first as a GI, and then as an observer 145 00:08:01,998 --> 00:08:04,898 for the United Nations Relief Organization, 146 00:08:04,932 --> 00:08:07,452 Rittenberg was exposed to the corruption 147 00:08:07,487 --> 00:08:12,319 and inequalities of Chinese life under the Nationalists. 148 00:08:12,353 --> 00:08:15,495 He had made contacts among Chinese reformers, 149 00:08:15,529 --> 00:08:19,257 including underground members of the Communist Party. 150 00:08:19,291 --> 00:08:21,708 He was about to return to America 151 00:08:21,742 --> 00:08:26,195 when a Party leader came to him with a question. 152 00:08:26,229 --> 00:08:29,094 "Suppose I detained you here 153 00:08:29,129 --> 00:08:31,752 and didn't let you leave tomorrow?" 154 00:08:31,787 --> 00:08:34,168 And I said, "What would I do?" 155 00:08:34,203 --> 00:08:37,206 He said, "Well, we need an engineer." 156 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,139 And I said, "Well, I'm not an engineer." 157 00:08:39,173 --> 00:08:41,624 He said, "No, not that kind of an engineer. 158 00:08:41,659 --> 00:08:44,800 We need an engineer to help us build a bridge 159 00:08:44,834 --> 00:08:49,459 from the Chinese people to the American people." 160 00:08:49,494 --> 00:08:54,430 And I said, "I would be overjoyed to stay. 161 00:08:54,464 --> 00:08:59,055 My one request would be that if I stay, 162 00:08:59,090 --> 00:09:03,232 I would like to be admitted to the Chinese Party." 163 00:09:03,266 --> 00:09:09,238 ♪ 164 00:09:09,272 --> 00:09:13,518 It was a life changing decision that began with a 500 mile trek, 165 00:09:13,553 --> 00:09:18,074 mostly on foot, across terrain made perilous by steep mountains 166 00:09:18,109 --> 00:09:21,630 and the Civil War's shifting battle lines. 167 00:09:21,664 --> 00:09:23,217 It took him 45 days 168 00:09:23,252 --> 00:09:26,945 to reach the Communist Guerilla headquarters in Yan'an. 169 00:09:26,980 --> 00:09:31,156 For Rittenberg, there would be no turning back. 170 00:09:31,191 --> 00:09:34,090 You were leaving America behind you. 171 00:09:34,125 --> 00:09:37,266 Was there not pause for thought about that? 172 00:09:37,300 --> 00:09:40,683 Not a bit, not at the time. 173 00:09:40,718 --> 00:09:45,032 No, I thought I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing. 174 00:09:47,241 --> 00:09:50,210 You know, for America's sake, as well 175 00:09:50,244 --> 00:09:53,109 as for the Chinese Revolution. 176 00:09:53,144 --> 00:09:58,114 I'm doing--these are the people that bear the banners of hope. 177 00:09:58,149 --> 00:10:01,497 And I'm doing what I can to support them, so. 178 00:10:01,531 --> 00:10:05,605 I had no hesitation about that whatsoever. 179 00:10:05,639 --> 00:10:06,778 But you must've realized 180 00:10:06,813 --> 00:10:08,711 it would not be viewed that way in America. 181 00:10:08,746 --> 00:10:13,509 Well, of course, but look, when we were organizing 182 00:10:13,543 --> 00:10:15,856 textile workers in North Carolina 183 00:10:15,891 --> 00:10:20,516 it wasn't viewed very favorably either. 184 00:10:20,550 --> 00:10:22,829 You know, really. 185 00:10:22,863 --> 00:10:26,384 I mean, it was no better. 186 00:10:26,418 --> 00:10:29,111 The Roanoke Rapids paper carried an editorial 187 00:10:29,145 --> 00:10:31,803 about this alien element 188 00:10:31,838 --> 00:10:36,497 who's here spreading class hatred in our little community. 189 00:10:36,532 --> 00:10:39,397 So I was used to that. 190 00:10:42,055 --> 00:10:50,926 ♪ 191 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,100 It is Yan'an that holds pride of place 192 00:10:53,135 --> 00:10:57,173 in the story of the Chinese Revolution. 193 00:10:57,208 --> 00:11:01,039 The romantic idea that a band of visionaries living in caves, 194 00:11:01,074 --> 00:11:04,594 vastly outgunned and outnumbered, could one day 195 00:11:04,629 --> 00:11:08,909 take over the biggest country in the world. 196 00:11:08,944 --> 00:11:13,086 Their long march, a 6,000 mile strategic retreat, 197 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,847 found refuge here in the 1930s. 198 00:11:15,882 --> 00:11:19,575 Their leader, a peasant rebel named Mao Zedong. 199 00:11:19,609 --> 00:11:22,612 ♪ 200 00:11:22,647 --> 00:11:24,718 I met Mao for the first time 201 00:11:24,753 --> 00:11:27,721 on the day I arrived in Yan'an. 202 00:11:27,756 --> 00:11:30,655 I walked in the door and there he was. 203 00:11:30,690 --> 00:11:35,625 And I thought, "It's like a picture right out of history." 204 00:11:35,660 --> 00:11:38,387 Here's a picture out of history. 205 00:11:38,421 --> 00:11:42,080 Here's the man that's on the walls." 206 00:11:42,115 --> 00:11:43,357 That's what I was thinking. 207 00:11:43,392 --> 00:11:46,222 And underneath that was the feeling, 208 00:11:46,257 --> 00:11:50,502 "And I am now part of that history." 209 00:11:50,537 --> 00:11:54,783 The first thing he said to me was, he said, 210 00:11:54,817 --> 00:11:57,613 "If you don't object, 211 00:11:57,647 --> 00:12:00,064 I'm going to ask my secretary 212 00:12:00,098 --> 00:12:02,273 to arrange a time for you to come 213 00:12:02,307 --> 00:12:07,243 and spend a whole day or maybe two days with me, 214 00:12:07,278 --> 00:12:09,418 just talking about America. 215 00:12:09,452 --> 00:12:12,766 Not anything special, just about America. 216 00:12:12,801 --> 00:12:15,631 Just talk." 217 00:12:15,665 --> 00:12:18,047 His major interest in foreign countries 218 00:12:18,082 --> 00:12:22,638 was always the United States. 219 00:12:22,672 --> 00:12:24,847 The Communist leaders needed a fluent speaker 220 00:12:24,882 --> 00:12:27,056 of both Chinese and English 221 00:12:27,091 --> 00:12:29,576 to help establish an English language section 222 00:12:29,610 --> 00:12:32,199 of what would become Radio Beijing, 223 00:12:32,234 --> 00:12:36,031 the transmitter of Party policy to the world. 224 00:12:36,065 --> 00:12:38,619 Sidney Rittenberg took the job. 225 00:12:38,654 --> 00:12:41,381 But more than that, he wanted to belong, 226 00:12:41,415 --> 00:12:43,693 to be one of them. 227 00:12:43,728 --> 00:12:45,592 You had told the Communist leaders 228 00:12:45,626 --> 00:12:47,525 you wanted to be a member of the Chinese Communist Party. 229 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:48,871 Why? 230 00:12:48,906 --> 00:12:50,839 Well, what I said was, 231 00:12:50,873 --> 00:12:55,533 "If I stay here, I'm going to be cut off from the outside world. 232 00:12:55,567 --> 00:12:57,742 And if I'm not a Party member, 233 00:12:57,777 --> 00:13:00,365 I'll be cut off from the inside world too. 234 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,885 I won't know what's really going on. 235 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,924 So I want to be a member of the Chinese Party. 236 00:13:06,958 --> 00:13:11,514 ♪ 237 00:13:11,549 --> 00:13:14,172 Yan'an took on a meaning of its own. 238 00:13:14,207 --> 00:13:17,658 It was a combat zone in the ongoing Civil War. 239 00:13:17,693 --> 00:13:20,489 It was an incubator for many of Mao's ideas, 240 00:13:20,523 --> 00:13:22,663 where Party loyalty and discipline 241 00:13:22,698 --> 00:13:25,149 often were put to the test. 242 00:13:25,183 --> 00:13:28,359 Those that survived the war, and the politics, 243 00:13:28,393 --> 00:13:32,604 possessed a valuable revolutionary credential. 244 00:13:32,639 --> 00:13:34,744 There was also an intimacy, 245 00:13:34,779 --> 00:13:37,920 where friendships were formed, and marriages. 246 00:13:37,955 --> 00:13:41,165 Rittenberg to a young radio broadcaster. 247 00:13:41,199 --> 00:13:44,789 Mao to an actress from Shanghai named Jiang Qing, 248 00:13:44,824 --> 00:13:49,483 who later would play a dramatic role in Party politics. 249 00:13:49,518 --> 00:13:51,623 In Yan'an, Sidney Rittenberg 250 00:13:51,658 --> 00:13:54,695 rubbed shoulders with China's future leaders. 251 00:13:54,730 --> 00:13:57,837 On the left, Zhou Enlai, the future premier. 252 00:13:57,871 --> 00:14:01,771 On the right, Zhu De, the military commander. 253 00:14:01,806 --> 00:14:04,257 Rittenberg had become one of them. 254 00:14:04,291 --> 00:14:08,123 At work, socially, at the movies. 255 00:14:08,157 --> 00:14:12,127 There was an American diplomatic mission in Yan'an. 256 00:14:12,161 --> 00:14:15,130 And once a week, there was a U.S. Army plane 257 00:14:15,164 --> 00:14:17,718 that would fly in to bring supplies. 258 00:14:17,753 --> 00:14:21,653 And they would also bring a new Hollywood film. 259 00:14:21,688 --> 00:14:24,518 This was new to us. 260 00:14:24,553 --> 00:14:29,006 Mao, and Zhu De, and Zhou Enlai, you would say are the leaders, 261 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:33,286 would gather in a little room at the U.S. Army Liaison Center 262 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:37,048 and watch this film, and I would translate. 263 00:14:39,085 --> 00:14:43,813 The favorite, favorite films by all odds, 264 00:14:43,848 --> 00:14:45,954 were Laurel and Hardy. 265 00:14:45,988 --> 00:14:47,748 "Lolly Hardy." 266 00:14:47,783 --> 00:14:50,751 As soon as they heard "Lolly Hardy" was gonna perform, 267 00:14:50,786 --> 00:14:54,617 they would--everybody who could move would go there. 268 00:14:54,652 --> 00:14:56,136 And it's very funny and they would make 269 00:14:56,171 --> 00:14:59,036 lots of wisecracks and have great fun. 270 00:14:59,070 --> 00:15:01,762 But they enjoyed these Hollywood movies. 271 00:15:01,797 --> 00:15:02,867 And Mao would go to them? 272 00:15:02,902 --> 00:15:06,664 Yeah. 273 00:15:06,698 --> 00:15:08,942 To be fair, you have to say 274 00:15:08,977 --> 00:15:13,947 that he tried to establish good relations 275 00:15:13,982 --> 00:15:16,708 with the United States and Europe. 276 00:15:16,743 --> 00:15:21,713 I was twice the interpreter when the message from him 277 00:15:21,748 --> 00:15:24,924 was given to, once to an American diplomat, 278 00:15:24,958 --> 00:15:27,892 once to a military man in China, 279 00:15:27,927 --> 00:15:30,791 that he wanted good relations with America. 280 00:15:30,826 --> 00:15:34,657 And specifically he said because he did not want 281 00:15:34,692 --> 00:15:39,076 to be unilaterally dependent on the Soviet Union, 282 00:15:39,110 --> 00:15:42,044 after the Communists came to power in China. 283 00:15:42,079 --> 00:15:46,221 So there was an opening wide open for us at the time 284 00:15:46,255 --> 00:15:50,397 which we ignored 285 00:15:50,432 --> 00:15:53,262 because we were thinking ideologically. 286 00:15:53,297 --> 00:15:55,678 Strange as it sounds. 287 00:15:55,713 --> 00:15:58,647 And he was not. 288 00:15:58,681 --> 00:16:02,409 And Mao always 289 00:16:02,444 --> 00:16:04,894 longed to show the world 290 00:16:04,929 --> 00:16:09,485 that China could be civilized and Democratic, 291 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,213 not like the crude Russians. 292 00:16:13,248 --> 00:16:16,734 And he made several attempts 293 00:16:16,768 --> 00:16:21,014 at opening the arena of public opinion 294 00:16:21,049 --> 00:16:22,429 and every time he did, 295 00:16:22,464 --> 00:16:26,295 the results didn't turn out the way he hoped they would. 296 00:16:26,330 --> 00:16:28,573 And then he resorted 297 00:16:28,608 --> 00:16:32,957 to the traditional system of Chinese rulers, 298 00:16:32,992 --> 00:16:35,891 which was called in China, 299 00:16:35,925 --> 00:16:40,654 "You kill the chicken to teach the monkeys a lesson." 300 00:16:40,689 --> 00:16:43,554 So, the monkeys are the majority. 301 00:16:43,588 --> 00:16:45,211 You can't kill them. 302 00:16:45,245 --> 00:16:48,524 But you have to teach them to keep them in line. 303 00:16:48,559 --> 00:16:51,044 So you take a chicken 304 00:16:51,079 --> 00:16:53,598 and you hold him up before the monkeys. 305 00:16:53,633 --> 00:16:55,462 And you excoriate him. 306 00:16:55,497 --> 00:16:58,948 Everything from political conspiracies, 307 00:16:58,983 --> 00:17:01,537 to he slept with his sister, 308 00:17:01,572 --> 00:17:04,678 to everything about his personal life. 309 00:17:04,713 --> 00:17:08,924 He was 100 percent low life. 310 00:17:08,958 --> 00:17:10,615 It's called in Chinese, 311 00:17:10,650 --> 00:17:14,447 "Making him stink," literally. 312 00:17:14,481 --> 00:17:19,452 So, then after having exposed him 313 00:17:19,486 --> 00:17:23,490 and turned everybody against him, you chop his head off. 314 00:17:23,525 --> 00:17:26,252 Then you say to the monkeys, 315 00:17:26,286 --> 00:17:30,842 "You see, aren't you glad you're not a chicken. 316 00:17:30,877 --> 00:17:31,843 You're not chickens. 317 00:17:31,878 --> 00:17:33,880 You're monkeys, you're okay. 318 00:17:33,914 --> 00:17:35,295 Aren't you glad you aren't a chicken? 319 00:17:35,330 --> 00:17:36,952 And by the way, 320 00:17:36,986 --> 00:17:40,852 I know you will want to watch yourself carefully 321 00:17:40,887 --> 00:17:42,820 that you don't get 322 00:17:42,854 --> 00:17:45,995 into any of the ways of chickens. 323 00:17:46,030 --> 00:17:48,619 You don't have chickenish ways 324 00:17:48,653 --> 00:17:52,312 so that you might one day fall into the same, 325 00:17:52,347 --> 00:17:56,627 kind of, in this category, and get same kind of treatment." 326 00:17:56,661 --> 00:18:07,500 ♪ 327 00:18:07,534 --> 00:18:11,400 The roots of China's Civil War went back to the 1920s. 328 00:18:11,435 --> 00:18:15,577 The final showdown coming in the years after World War II. 329 00:18:15,611 --> 00:18:19,684 By 1949, the fighting had turned in Mao's favor. 330 00:18:19,719 --> 00:18:22,825 With Beijing about to fall to Communist troops, 331 00:18:22,860 --> 00:18:26,760 Rittenberg was told to report for a special assignment. 332 00:18:26,795 --> 00:18:29,936 The Nationalist commander of Beijing 333 00:18:29,970 --> 00:18:32,663 was in process of surrendering. 334 00:18:32,697 --> 00:18:35,217 They were still negotiating the terms, 335 00:18:35,252 --> 00:18:36,874 and I knew that. 336 00:18:36,908 --> 00:18:41,568 So very shortly they would peacefully entering Beijing 337 00:18:41,603 --> 00:18:45,883 and I thought I'm going early 338 00:18:45,917 --> 00:18:47,643 because I'm going to be 339 00:18:47,678 --> 00:18:51,854 a liaison/interpreter in talks 340 00:18:51,889 --> 00:18:53,891 between the new Chinese government 341 00:18:53,925 --> 00:18:55,720 and my American government. 342 00:18:55,755 --> 00:18:59,586 And I was just on top of the world. 343 00:18:59,621 --> 00:19:01,312 But that's not what happened. 344 00:19:01,347 --> 00:19:04,453 Not exactly what happened. 345 00:19:08,285 --> 00:19:18,950 ♪ 346 00:19:18,985 --> 00:19:20,297 What Rittenberg didn't know 347 00:19:20,331 --> 00:19:23,196 was that the Soviet leader, Josef Stalin, 348 00:19:23,231 --> 00:19:26,095 had named him as part of an international spy ring 349 00:19:26,130 --> 00:19:28,236 uncovered in Moscow. 350 00:19:28,270 --> 00:19:32,032 And that Stalin had asked Mao to have him arrested. 351 00:19:32,067 --> 00:19:34,449 Instead of being on his way to Beijing, 352 00:19:34,483 --> 00:19:38,418 Rittenberg was detained and on his way to prison. 353 00:19:38,453 --> 00:19:42,905 And then I heard this tapping outside, approaching. 354 00:19:42,940 --> 00:19:46,633 Tap, tap, tap, tap, 355 00:19:46,668 --> 00:19:48,980 on the flagstones outside. 356 00:19:49,015 --> 00:19:52,501 And what ran through my head was, 357 00:19:52,536 --> 00:19:55,297 "Quoth the Raven, nevermore." 358 00:19:55,332 --> 00:19:57,955 And the door opens 359 00:19:57,989 --> 00:20:02,856 and this horrifying figure appears. 360 00:20:02,891 --> 00:20:07,585 A, sort of, short thickset man 361 00:20:07,620 --> 00:20:11,762 with huge eyes the size of cart wheels, 362 00:20:11,796 --> 00:20:15,283 it looked like, and very thick glasses, 363 00:20:15,317 --> 00:20:19,218 carrying a cane, which was what was tapping. 364 00:20:19,252 --> 00:20:22,704 And as he came 365 00:20:22,738 --> 00:20:24,464 and stood in the doorway, 366 00:20:24,499 --> 00:20:29,158 he pointed at me and he said in a voice of thunder, 367 00:20:29,193 --> 00:20:32,541 "Li Dunbai", my Chinese name, 368 00:20:32,576 --> 00:20:36,614 "We have received orders from the Chinese People's 369 00:20:36,649 --> 00:20:41,619 Revolutionary Military Commission to arrest you. 370 00:20:41,654 --> 00:20:46,141 You have accepted a mission from U.S. imperialism 371 00:20:46,175 --> 00:20:49,248 to sabotage the Chinese Revolution." 372 00:20:51,319 --> 00:20:55,840 And the room spun round and round. 373 00:20:55,875 --> 00:20:58,015 Just spun round and round. 374 00:20:58,049 --> 00:21:03,054 And I saw stars shooting all over the place. 375 00:21:03,089 --> 00:21:04,918 I just-- 376 00:21:04,953 --> 00:21:06,748 just shock, you know. 377 00:21:06,782 --> 00:21:10,683 Just terrific shock. 378 00:21:10,717 --> 00:21:13,306 You know, everyday is miserable 379 00:21:13,341 --> 00:21:15,964 because you're alone, but you're not really alone 380 00:21:15,998 --> 00:21:19,208 because every day you're sitting there 381 00:21:19,243 --> 00:21:23,627 with your own potential madness sitting across from you, 382 00:21:23,661 --> 00:21:24,800 watching you. 383 00:21:24,835 --> 00:21:27,458 And you know, it's either you or him. 384 00:21:27,493 --> 00:21:31,255 And every day, as I woke up, 385 00:21:33,153 --> 00:21:35,224 I would-- 386 00:21:35,259 --> 00:21:38,435 right after starting to be conscious, 387 00:21:38,469 --> 00:21:42,956 I would have this feeling that this huge stone is on top of me, 388 00:21:42,991 --> 00:21:44,406 weighing me down. 389 00:21:44,441 --> 00:21:47,616 My God, I'm still in this place. 390 00:21:47,651 --> 00:21:51,586 Can't believe it, I'm still in this place. 391 00:21:51,620 --> 00:21:54,243 I was confident when they would say, 392 00:21:54,278 --> 00:21:56,556 "We have investigators all over the place. 393 00:21:56,591 --> 00:21:58,040 They're checking you out. 394 00:21:58,075 --> 00:21:59,766 They know everything about you." 395 00:21:59,801 --> 00:22:03,460 I could say with confidence, "The more you investigate, 396 00:22:03,494 --> 00:22:05,910 the more you'll find I'm telling the truth." 397 00:22:05,945 --> 00:22:07,878 'Cause I did tell the truth. 398 00:22:07,912 --> 00:22:11,709 So, I even told about my cousin Arthur 399 00:22:11,744 --> 00:22:15,092 in Charleston who was in the FBI. 400 00:22:17,197 --> 00:22:18,371 What did that have to do? 401 00:22:18,406 --> 00:22:19,717 Nothing. 402 00:22:19,752 --> 00:22:22,030 But I didn't want anything hidden 403 00:22:22,064 --> 00:22:26,759 that they might dig up that I hadn't told 'em. 404 00:22:28,105 --> 00:22:29,969 Then one day the door opened 405 00:22:30,003 --> 00:22:34,974 and in came the warden of the prison, Yao Lun, 406 00:22:35,008 --> 00:22:39,150 who was a high ranking official in the Security Ministry. 407 00:22:39,185 --> 00:22:41,429 And he came in and brought a chair 408 00:22:41,463 --> 00:22:44,604 and he shook hands with me. 409 00:22:44,639 --> 00:22:47,400 Shook hands. 410 00:22:47,435 --> 00:22:50,403 You do not shake hands with a counter-revolutionary. 411 00:22:50,438 --> 00:22:55,235 And you don't sit down in a chair opposite him either. 412 00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:58,549 So he said, "Look--" 413 00:22:58,584 --> 00:23:01,621 He says, "We understand you now. 414 00:23:01,656 --> 00:23:02,726 We understand you. 415 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,211 We know who you are." 416 00:23:05,245 --> 00:23:06,730 He said, "We're going to give you 417 00:23:06,764 --> 00:23:10,112 the best possible conditions for studying. 418 00:23:10,147 --> 00:23:13,564 We'll give you paper, and pencil, 419 00:23:13,599 --> 00:23:16,187 and any books that you want, 420 00:23:16,222 --> 00:23:18,811 we'll do our best to find them. 421 00:23:18,845 --> 00:23:21,917 And we'll give you a table, a chair here. 422 00:23:21,952 --> 00:23:26,646 And we're gonna take the boards off the windows. 423 00:23:28,683 --> 00:23:32,307 And you can stay here and study until your case is solved. 424 00:23:32,341 --> 00:23:35,448 Or you can just forget about China 425 00:23:35,483 --> 00:23:38,762 for the rest of your life and go back to America. 426 00:23:38,796 --> 00:23:41,661 We'll let you go back." 427 00:23:41,696 --> 00:23:44,802 And I said, "I'll stay here and study." 428 00:23:44,837 --> 00:23:49,807 And I gradually stabilized and I studied, 429 00:23:49,842 --> 00:23:52,914 like, I used to think 430 00:23:52,948 --> 00:23:56,538 of those little monks in medieval cells, 431 00:23:56,573 --> 00:23:59,748 voluntarily under a vow of silence, 432 00:23:59,783 --> 00:24:04,270 and they're copying the ancient books and studying. 433 00:24:04,304 --> 00:24:07,618 And I thought, "If they could do it, why can't I do it?" 434 00:24:07,653 --> 00:24:09,758 And I did. 435 00:24:09,793 --> 00:24:15,212 ♪ 436 00:24:15,246 --> 00:24:17,525 Sidney Rittenberg will remain in solitary 437 00:24:17,559 --> 00:24:19,699 for another five years, 438 00:24:19,734 --> 00:24:22,391 during which China began to repair the damage 439 00:24:22,426 --> 00:24:24,566 caused by years of war, 440 00:24:24,601 --> 00:24:28,190 which included fighting American troops in Korea. 441 00:24:28,225 --> 00:24:32,367 His wife, having no idea where he was, divorced him. 442 00:24:32,401 --> 00:24:34,783 It was 1955 when his cell door 443 00:24:34,818 --> 00:24:38,546 again opened to an official visitor. 444 00:24:38,580 --> 00:24:40,927 So I sat down. 445 00:24:40,962 --> 00:24:43,792 He shook hands and he turned-- 446 00:24:43,827 --> 00:24:46,001 he did not give his name, 447 00:24:46,036 --> 00:24:48,694 but I found out later it was Ling Yun, 448 00:24:48,728 --> 00:24:51,144 who was the director 449 00:24:51,179 --> 00:24:55,079 of the counter-intelligence bureau, 450 00:24:55,114 --> 00:24:59,083 and who later became the first minister 451 00:24:59,118 --> 00:25:01,396 of the State Security Ministry, 452 00:25:01,430 --> 00:25:04,572 which is, sort of, the Chinese CIA. 453 00:25:04,606 --> 00:25:09,473 And, um, he told me that-- 454 00:25:09,508 --> 00:25:13,857 he said, "On behalf of the Central Government of China, 455 00:25:13,891 --> 00:25:16,825 I'm here to apologize to you. 456 00:25:16,860 --> 00:25:18,033 We got you wrong. 457 00:25:18,068 --> 00:25:20,553 We made a bad mistake." 458 00:25:20,588 --> 00:25:25,558 And after six years in prison, in 1955, you were released. 459 00:25:25,593 --> 00:25:26,628 Why? 460 00:25:26,663 --> 00:25:29,562 Why, finally, did they let you out? 461 00:25:29,597 --> 00:25:32,876 Because Josef Stalin did the best thing 462 00:25:32,910 --> 00:25:34,325 he ever did in his life. 463 00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:38,744 He died. 464 00:25:38,778 --> 00:25:41,298 Was the Party testing you? 465 00:25:41,332 --> 00:25:43,956 Yeah. 466 00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:46,717 That's the way I saw it. 467 00:25:49,962 --> 00:25:54,345 And it was true because as soon as it was over, 468 00:25:54,380 --> 00:25:58,177 my Party membership was not only restored, 469 00:25:58,211 --> 00:26:02,043 but then now I became a real Party member, 470 00:26:02,077 --> 00:26:04,942 with access to top leaders 471 00:26:04,977 --> 00:26:09,706 and confidential, classified information. 472 00:26:09,740 --> 00:26:12,501 So it was totally different. 473 00:26:15,781 --> 00:26:28,034 ♪ 474 00:26:28,069 --> 00:26:30,174 After I get out of prison, 475 00:26:30,209 --> 00:26:33,315 I report to Radio Beijing for my new job. 476 00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:35,283 And I'm in the director's office. 477 00:26:35,317 --> 00:26:37,906 He's telling me about my new work. 478 00:26:37,941 --> 00:26:39,874 And this young girl, 479 00:26:39,908 --> 00:26:43,740 23 years old, 22 at that time, 480 00:26:43,774 --> 00:26:45,776 brought his tea. 481 00:26:45,811 --> 00:26:50,125 And when she went-- long pigtails. 482 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,302 And when she went out, she left the door ajar, 483 00:26:54,336 --> 00:26:58,375 which she still does. 484 00:26:58,409 --> 00:27:01,412 Left the door ajar, didn't really close it well. 485 00:27:01,447 --> 00:27:05,451 And, uh... as he's talking 486 00:27:05,485 --> 00:27:07,591 to me about my work, 487 00:27:07,626 --> 00:27:12,285 I'm hearing an argument going on among the four secretaries 488 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,081 in the central office there. 489 00:27:15,116 --> 00:27:17,705 And I hear this woman's voice saying-- 490 00:27:17,739 --> 00:27:20,949 well, they're talking about my former wife, 491 00:27:20,984 --> 00:27:24,332 "Well, after all, he was gone for six years 492 00:27:24,366 --> 00:27:26,368 and she didn't even know where he was. 493 00:27:26,403 --> 00:27:27,991 So you can't blame her." 494 00:27:28,025 --> 00:27:31,719 And then I hear this strident female voice say, 495 00:27:31,753 --> 00:27:33,686 "What do you mean, six years? 496 00:27:33,721 --> 00:27:35,930 If you really love somebody, 497 00:27:35,964 --> 00:27:40,003 you're supposed to wait 6 years, 10 years, 20 years. 498 00:27:40,037 --> 00:27:42,764 What does it matter?" 499 00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:44,697 So that sort of got my attention. 500 00:27:44,732 --> 00:27:48,528 And I heard the responses I couldn't hear very clearly. 501 00:27:48,563 --> 00:27:51,083 And then I hear this strident voice again say, 502 00:27:51,117 --> 00:27:54,638 "Well it seems to me, you gotta be pretty stupid 503 00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:55,881 if you don't know 504 00:27:55,915 --> 00:27:58,918 whether your own husband is an enemy." 505 00:28:01,714 --> 00:28:04,613 I'm the secretary for the boss. 506 00:28:04,648 --> 00:28:07,444 So everything he has a problem, 507 00:28:07,478 --> 00:28:10,136 it just come to me to ask. 508 00:28:10,171 --> 00:28:12,760 So, that's a start. 509 00:28:12,794 --> 00:28:14,071 He was an American. 510 00:28:14,106 --> 00:28:15,624 That's right. 511 00:28:15,659 --> 00:28:19,180 And he just spent six years in prison. 512 00:28:19,214 --> 00:28:22,562 I mean, what did you think of that? 513 00:28:22,597 --> 00:28:24,564 You know, as, at the beginning 514 00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:27,982 I didn't think he was American or Chinese 515 00:28:28,016 --> 00:28:30,225 because just like it 516 00:28:30,260 --> 00:28:34,367 is my job to help him. 517 00:28:34,402 --> 00:28:38,337 So, I think of this person as honest 518 00:28:38,371 --> 00:28:41,754 and for six years 519 00:28:41,789 --> 00:28:44,999 he didn't give up or complain 520 00:28:45,033 --> 00:28:47,656 or his beliefs. 521 00:28:47,691 --> 00:28:51,419 So I thought this person is a good guy. 522 00:28:51,453 --> 00:28:55,768 We found, in the course of all this coming and going, 523 00:28:55,803 --> 00:28:58,598 that we shared certain things in common. 524 00:28:58,633 --> 00:29:02,430 We both loved eating from the street stalls. 525 00:29:02,464 --> 00:29:04,432 Loved it. 526 00:29:04,466 --> 00:29:08,574 We both loved going to the movies. 527 00:29:08,608 --> 00:29:09,955 And we loved to argue. 528 00:29:09,989 --> 00:29:12,716 We argued incessantly about everything. 529 00:29:12,751 --> 00:29:14,200 Incessantly. 530 00:29:14,235 --> 00:29:18,377 And our viewpoints were very far apart. 531 00:29:18,411 --> 00:29:20,793 And we enjoyed it. 532 00:29:20,828 --> 00:29:22,553 You know, after that several months 533 00:29:22,588 --> 00:29:25,211 that he wrote letter to me. 534 00:29:25,246 --> 00:29:27,938 So ask me proud I would can, 535 00:29:27,973 --> 00:29:30,907 you know, to be a good friends. 536 00:29:30,941 --> 00:29:32,287 For someday we could marry. 537 00:29:32,322 --> 00:29:35,152 Someday we can set up a family. 538 00:29:35,187 --> 00:29:38,293 Then I should-- I got really angry. 539 00:29:38,328 --> 00:29:42,953 I said, "I never have the mind--cross my mind." 540 00:29:42,988 --> 00:29:47,268 I said, "What-- what is he thinking?" 541 00:29:47,302 --> 00:29:51,513 So I left this note on her desk and I went home. 542 00:29:51,548 --> 00:29:55,552 Next morning, early, I'm in my office 543 00:29:55,586 --> 00:29:57,312 and I hear these footsteps. 544 00:29:57,347 --> 00:29:59,349 Stomp, stomp, stomp, stomp. 545 00:29:59,383 --> 00:30:01,213 Very determined coming in. 546 00:30:01,247 --> 00:30:04,941 And I know it's her, and over my shoulder from behind my back, 547 00:30:04,975 --> 00:30:07,633 she flings this note down on the table. 548 00:30:07,667 --> 00:30:09,704 Stomp, stomp, stomp, leaves. 549 00:30:09,738 --> 00:30:13,397 And the note is written on a sheet of paper 550 00:30:13,432 --> 00:30:16,055 and then twisted up, guerilla fashion, 551 00:30:16,090 --> 00:30:18,471 the way they used to do the secret notes. 552 00:30:18,506 --> 00:30:22,372 So I unfold it and it says, "Dear Comrade So and So--". 553 00:30:22,406 --> 00:30:25,996 So I know this is trouble 'cause it's formal. 554 00:30:26,031 --> 00:30:28,481 She says, "The kind of relationship 555 00:30:28,516 --> 00:30:31,864 you have suggested has never entered my head 556 00:30:31,899 --> 00:30:34,936 and is totally out of the question. 557 00:30:34,971 --> 00:30:38,388 So the only road open to us 558 00:30:38,422 --> 00:30:40,252 is to break off all relations. 559 00:30:40,286 --> 00:30:43,289 Stop seeing each other totally. 560 00:30:43,324 --> 00:30:46,085 I wish you success in all your endeavors. 561 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,606 Signed, Yulin. 562 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:54,300 P.S., since I've already promised to go with you 563 00:30:54,335 --> 00:30:57,200 to Sun Yat Sen Park this evening, 564 00:30:57,234 --> 00:30:59,788 I will, of course, honor my promise." 565 00:30:59,823 --> 00:31:01,963 So I knew it was there. 566 00:31:01,998 --> 00:31:05,898 I knew when I saw that P.S. so it...it was working. 567 00:31:05,933 --> 00:31:09,522 So, that night, we went to the park and we were engaged. 568 00:31:10,903 --> 00:31:14,182 ♪ 569 00:31:14,217 --> 00:31:17,116 The Broadcast Administration was among the most important 570 00:31:17,151 --> 00:31:18,911 agencies of government. 571 00:31:18,946 --> 00:31:20,809 The voice of the Party. 572 00:31:20,844 --> 00:31:24,054 And Radio, reaching into every corner of the country, 573 00:31:24,089 --> 00:31:26,332 was its nerve center. 574 00:31:26,367 --> 00:31:28,541 Not only was he back in the favor, 575 00:31:28,576 --> 00:31:31,579 Rittenberg had been taken into the inner circle. 576 00:31:31,613 --> 00:31:35,169 The only U.S. citizen who was a Party member. 577 00:31:35,203 --> 00:31:37,585 What was your job at Radio? 578 00:31:37,619 --> 00:31:45,662 I was a foreign expert... to, uh, polish the material 579 00:31:45,696 --> 00:31:49,010 that went out in English and to advise 580 00:31:49,045 --> 00:31:53,256 the Radio leadership on English language 581 00:31:53,290 --> 00:31:59,710 broadcast issues, but actually I was the only Party member 582 00:31:59,745 --> 00:32:01,816 in the English language section. 583 00:32:01,850 --> 00:32:07,891 So, I was in fact, but not de-- de-facto, but not de jure, 584 00:32:07,926 --> 00:32:09,444 I was in charge of that section. 585 00:32:10,756 --> 00:32:17,866 What was life like for a foreign expert of your status? 586 00:32:17,901 --> 00:32:20,628 Um... 587 00:32:20,662 --> 00:32:24,804 I had the use of a car and driver at any time 588 00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:27,462 for business or pleasure. 589 00:32:27,497 --> 00:32:32,019 We had an apartment in the foreign experts building, 590 00:32:32,053 --> 00:32:34,953 which meant we had hot water. 591 00:32:34,987 --> 00:32:41,407 Nobody in China, except for a few tip-top leaders 592 00:32:41,442 --> 00:32:45,653 and foreigners, had hot water, nobody. 593 00:32:45,687 --> 00:32:52,901 We got tickets to all the great plays and operas and circuses. 594 00:32:52,936 --> 00:32:58,631 We got, uh, vacation travel every year and so on, 595 00:32:58,666 --> 00:33:02,566 so we were quite privileged and for me... 596 00:33:02,601 --> 00:33:07,778 I got to go and listen to top leaders give talks, 597 00:33:07,813 --> 00:33:11,299 give briefings, and things of that sort. 598 00:33:11,334 --> 00:33:14,475 And you were well paid? 599 00:33:14,509 --> 00:33:19,894 Well, in the local terms, I was paid better than Mao. 600 00:33:20,860 --> 00:33:26,590 ♪ 601 00:33:26,625 --> 00:33:29,490 According to Mao, the revolution required 602 00:33:29,524 --> 00:33:32,044 constant renewal and vigilance, 603 00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:35,530 often inspiring campaigns to target opposition 604 00:33:35,565 --> 00:33:38,706 and to mobilize support for the Party. 605 00:33:38,740 --> 00:33:43,124 In 1957, Mao sought the support of intellectuals, 606 00:33:43,159 --> 00:33:46,886 encouraging them to speak their minds in a movement called, 607 00:33:46,921 --> 00:33:49,889 "Let a Hundred Flowers Bloom, Let a Hundred Schools 608 00:33:49,924 --> 00:33:52,237 of Thought Contend." 609 00:33:53,686 --> 00:33:58,277 He said "Let A Hundred Flowers Bloom," 610 00:33:58,312 --> 00:34:01,453 in the field of arts, literature and art. 611 00:34:01,487 --> 00:34:05,250 "Let A Hundred Schools of Thought Contend," 612 00:34:05,284 --> 00:34:07,390 in academia. 613 00:34:07,424 --> 00:34:13,948 But the intellectuals turned it into in politics. 614 00:34:13,982 --> 00:34:16,399 "Let a Hundred Flowers Bloom", in politics 615 00:34:16,433 --> 00:34:19,091 and "Let a Hundred Schools Contend." 616 00:34:19,126 --> 00:34:23,544 So, they began saying and writing things like, 617 00:34:23,578 --> 00:34:26,650 "Why should the Communist Party always rule? 618 00:34:26,685 --> 00:34:29,688 Why shouldn't there be a multi-party system? 619 00:34:29,722 --> 00:34:33,657 And why should we lean towards the Soviet Union? 620 00:34:33,692 --> 00:34:37,075 Why shouldn't we have good relations with-with the West?" 621 00:34:39,077 --> 00:34:43,011 It was done with great artistry, I mean, when Mao 622 00:34:43,046 --> 00:34:46,532 was conspiratorial, he was a master. 623 00:34:46,567 --> 00:34:49,535 A master of conspiracy. 624 00:34:49,570 --> 00:34:53,919 He let everybody talk, unchallenged, unhindered, 625 00:34:53,953 --> 00:34:56,749 and everybody felt, "This is great," you know, 626 00:34:56,784 --> 00:35:02,410 "This is great. What frabjous day, callooh, callay!" you know? 627 00:35:02,445 --> 00:35:08,036 And then...an editorial appears on the front page 628 00:35:08,071 --> 00:35:11,764 of The People's Daily, with no warning, saying: 629 00:35:11,799 --> 00:35:13,180 "Why is this..." 630 00:35:13,214 --> 00:35:18,530 Bang, from that day on, it was hammers down on the critics 631 00:35:18,564 --> 00:35:21,533 and they were classified as rightists, 632 00:35:21,567 --> 00:35:25,088 they were hauled up before big public meetings, 633 00:35:25,123 --> 00:35:28,781 which were called debates, debates with the rightists, 634 00:35:28,816 --> 00:35:32,199 but the other side of the debate was not allowed to speak. 635 00:35:34,580 --> 00:35:37,307 And, so this was the campaign, 636 00:35:37,342 --> 00:35:41,449 to clean out anti-socialist elements, 637 00:35:41,484 --> 00:35:45,522 not from the Party, so much as among intellectuals 638 00:35:45,557 --> 00:35:51,287 and Mao said, he used a very ancient quota--quotation. 639 00:35:51,321 --> 00:35:54,704 He said, "Intellectuals have to learn 640 00:35:54,738 --> 00:35:56,188 where their rice bowl is," 641 00:35:56,223 --> 00:35:58,156 like which side their bread is buttered. 642 00:35:59,605 --> 00:36:04,679 But his real view of democracy, I think I got pretty clear on. 643 00:36:04,714 --> 00:36:08,718 His real concept was... 644 00:36:08,752 --> 00:36:11,272 he liked for people to meet 645 00:36:11,307 --> 00:36:14,310 for a lively democratic discussion 646 00:36:14,344 --> 00:36:20,419 of why his policies were correct and to point the finger 647 00:36:20,454 --> 00:36:25,493 at people and places that were not correctly carrying them out. 648 00:36:25,528 --> 00:36:30,602 Criticism, or to point to places where his policy 649 00:36:30,636 --> 00:36:33,363 could be improved and made more effective. 650 00:36:33,398 --> 00:36:38,610 That was fine, but to go flatly against his policy, 651 00:36:38,644 --> 00:36:41,475 that's not democracy, it's counter-revolution. 652 00:36:43,511 --> 00:36:48,275 There was a woman working there at Radio with me who was 653 00:36:48,309 --> 00:36:52,658 the daughter of Mr. Sachs of Goldman-Sachs, 654 00:36:52,693 --> 00:36:54,695 one of the founders, okay? 655 00:36:54,729 --> 00:36:59,838 And she had been an American Communist since her school days. 656 00:36:59,872 --> 00:37:04,152 Redder than a rose and... 657 00:37:04,187 --> 00:37:09,537 you know, but she grew up on Park Avenue taking a walk 658 00:37:09,572 --> 00:37:13,955 in the park with a limousine puttering along her side 659 00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:17,890 and so on, she was to the manor born, 660 00:37:17,925 --> 00:37:22,378 but when she came to China and started working there 661 00:37:22,412 --> 00:37:26,692 and they started the campaign against the bourgeois rightists, 662 00:37:26,727 --> 00:37:30,351 including some Chinese who were her friends, 663 00:37:30,386 --> 00:37:33,975 she would not have it, she fought like mad 664 00:37:34,010 --> 00:37:35,943 against what the Party was doing. 665 00:37:35,977 --> 00:37:40,465 She told him, she said, "This is...this is a pure 666 00:37:40,499 --> 00:37:44,641 and simple civil rights case, that's what we do in America, 667 00:37:44,676 --> 00:37:47,506 we Communists, we stick our necks out, we fight 668 00:37:47,541 --> 00:37:50,647 for hum--for civil rights." 669 00:37:50,682 --> 00:37:54,133 And, uh, she said, "You can't do this!" 670 00:37:54,168 --> 00:37:55,997 And I thought, "God, how backward 671 00:37:56,032 --> 00:37:57,240 can you be," you know? 672 00:37:57,275 --> 00:37:59,104 She doesn't get it. 673 00:37:59,138 --> 00:38:03,246 And I used to try to calm her down, counsel her and so on. 674 00:38:03,281 --> 00:38:06,836 No good, but how right she was... 675 00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:09,045 in a sense. 676 00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:12,151 You...believed in civil rights? 677 00:38:12,186 --> 00:38:13,118 -Sure. -As a young man, you fought 678 00:38:13,152 --> 00:38:16,328 -Sure -for civil rights in the South? 679 00:38:16,363 --> 00:38:18,951 Absolutely... 680 00:38:18,986 --> 00:38:22,921 and we really stuck our necks out for it. 681 00:38:22,955 --> 00:38:23,749 In America? 682 00:38:23,784 --> 00:38:24,854 Yes. 683 00:38:24,888 --> 00:38:26,062 But, in China? 684 00:38:26,096 --> 00:38:29,824 In China, until the revolution, yes! 685 00:38:29,859 --> 00:38:32,689 Before coming to power. 686 00:38:32,724 --> 00:38:35,347 That's what happens. 687 00:38:35,382 --> 00:38:38,937 Once you get into power and you have to protect 688 00:38:38,971 --> 00:38:45,253 your new power against the enemy who is still stronger than you, 689 00:38:45,288 --> 00:38:49,361 civil rights becomes your enemy. 690 00:38:49,396 --> 00:38:52,882 Intellectuals talk too much, they raise too many questions. 691 00:38:52,916 --> 00:38:54,815 You have to keep 'em quiet. 692 00:38:57,162 --> 00:39:01,477 And, uh, you know, I took part in hassling these people 693 00:39:01,511 --> 00:39:05,446 and they were all innocent and good people. 694 00:39:05,481 --> 00:39:08,518 That's, I think, that's the most serious mistake 695 00:39:08,553 --> 00:39:09,519 that I have ever made. 696 00:39:11,072 --> 00:39:14,869 I think the reason I couldn't see it was wrong was largely 697 00:39:14,904 --> 00:39:19,874 because I was living a privileged life. 698 00:39:19,909 --> 00:39:23,257 Everything about the regime was good for me. 699 00:39:23,291 --> 00:39:25,501 Nothing bad in it for me. 700 00:39:25,535 --> 00:39:27,951 So, I couldn't countenance the idea 701 00:39:27,986 --> 00:39:30,471 of anything bad for anybody. 702 00:39:30,506 --> 00:39:33,612 I wasn't paying attention, I wasn't feeling 703 00:39:33,647 --> 00:39:36,581 what happened to other people. 704 00:39:36,615 --> 00:39:39,756 Otherwise, I think I would have seen it. 705 00:39:39,791 --> 00:39:42,172 So, it's--it's a kind of corruption 706 00:39:42,207 --> 00:39:44,968 and that's exactly, I think, the kind of corruption 707 00:39:45,003 --> 00:39:50,974 that ruins the whole thing once you get into power. 708 00:39:52,631 --> 00:39:58,257 ♪ 709 00:39:58,292 --> 00:40:01,778 The bugler was Mao's call to jumpstart the economy. 710 00:40:01,813 --> 00:40:04,781 A mass movement called The Great Leap Forward 711 00:40:04,816 --> 00:40:08,785 that organized China's peasants into vast rural communes 712 00:40:08,820 --> 00:40:12,962 and everyone into do-it-yourself producers of steel. 713 00:40:12,996 --> 00:40:15,171 Mao set out to challenge the Russians 714 00:40:15,205 --> 00:40:19,278 and the West at any cost. 715 00:40:19,313 --> 00:40:24,836 This was the frenzy that swept the entire country. 716 00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:27,735 I thought it was working, I thought it was great. 717 00:40:27,770 --> 00:40:31,774 Production was doubling and tripling, the villages 718 00:40:31,808 --> 00:40:38,746 were serving free food, you know, people were told, 719 00:40:38,781 --> 00:40:42,578 "Open up your stomach and eat your fill!" 720 00:40:42,612 --> 00:40:45,235 First time in history, this was great. 721 00:40:46,547 --> 00:40:51,690 Everything was free, everything was public issue 722 00:40:51,725 --> 00:40:55,349 by the commune. 723 00:40:55,383 --> 00:40:58,801 It was great, it wasn't true. 724 00:40:58,835 --> 00:41:02,874 But, while I thought it was true, it was great. 725 00:41:04,116 --> 00:41:09,294 ♪ 726 00:41:09,328 --> 00:41:13,747 Officially, while communes were transforming the countryside, 727 00:41:13,781 --> 00:41:17,129 small backyard steel furnaces were turning China 728 00:41:17,164 --> 00:41:19,649 into an industrial giant. 729 00:41:19,684 --> 00:41:25,724 In the end, neither claim would hold up to closer inspection. 730 00:41:25,759 --> 00:41:29,728 Yulin worked on a backyard steel furnace that was called 731 00:41:29,763 --> 00:41:32,628 The Eighth of March Women's Day Furnace. 732 00:41:32,662 --> 00:41:35,941 I worked on another little furnace. 733 00:41:35,976 --> 00:41:42,914 And...I, you know, I-I, I raked out the steel 734 00:41:42,948 --> 00:41:48,402 and it was black like black mud and I asked the guy in charge 735 00:41:48,436 --> 00:41:50,680 of the furnace, I said, "This stuff really steel?" 736 00:41:50,715 --> 00:41:53,441 He said, "Oh, yeah, when we send to the big steel mills, 737 00:41:53,476 --> 00:41:55,098 they-they know what to do with it." 738 00:41:55,133 --> 00:41:56,755 Totally wasted. 739 00:41:56,790 --> 00:42:02,312 People took their pots, the...the iron chains 740 00:42:02,347 --> 00:42:04,591 that ran along some of the fences, 741 00:42:04,625 --> 00:42:07,283 anything metal and just threw it into the furnace 742 00:42:07,317 --> 00:42:09,354 and melted it down. 743 00:42:09,388 --> 00:42:16,154 So...overnight it went up to eighteen million tons of steel, 744 00:42:16,188 --> 00:42:18,881 but most of it was worthless. 745 00:42:20,330 --> 00:42:23,092 ♪ 746 00:42:23,126 --> 00:42:26,371 With great fanfare, local officials reported 747 00:42:26,405 --> 00:42:29,581 the upward climb of wheat and steel production 748 00:42:29,616 --> 00:42:33,861 and with it, a relentless rise for the economy. 749 00:42:33,896 --> 00:42:37,865 To do otherwise was to suffer the political consequences, 750 00:42:37,900 --> 00:42:43,664 but none of it was true and the result was disastrous. 751 00:42:43,699 --> 00:42:47,150 The production figures were grossly exaggerated. 752 00:42:47,185 --> 00:42:49,497 Everybody lied. 753 00:42:49,532 --> 00:42:53,812 The lower leaders lied to the higher leaders, 754 00:42:53,847 --> 00:42:57,091 knowing that they wanted big figures 755 00:42:57,126 --> 00:43:01,786 and the higher leaders usually, whether they realized it or not, 756 00:43:01,820 --> 00:43:05,306 reported them on up and the farther up you got 757 00:43:05,341 --> 00:43:07,515 the more of a fool you were, really, 758 00:43:07,550 --> 00:43:09,621 the more grossly deceived. 759 00:43:11,796 --> 00:43:16,766 So, that was one of the great tragedies, that he had hundreds 760 00:43:16,801 --> 00:43:22,496 of millions of villagers leaving the fields, going out looking 761 00:43:22,530 --> 00:43:26,569 for iron ore, for copper, for aluminum, for whatever 762 00:43:26,604 --> 00:43:31,160 minerals there were in order to set up village industries. 763 00:43:31,194 --> 00:43:33,058 So, who was tending the crops? 764 00:43:33,093 --> 00:43:35,923 Old people and children, that's all you saw. 765 00:43:35,958 --> 00:43:40,100 We went around the country, that's all we saw in the fields, 766 00:43:40,134 --> 00:43:42,171 old people and children. 767 00:43:42,205 --> 00:43:44,311 So, there was this terrible famine. 768 00:43:45,692 --> 00:43:52,353 In the famine that accompanied the latter days 769 00:43:52,388 --> 00:43:54,321 of The Great Leap Forward, probably something between 770 00:43:54,355 --> 00:43:58,636 25 and 35 million people died... 771 00:43:58,670 --> 00:44:00,051 of hunger. 772 00:44:02,087 --> 00:44:07,506 ♪ 773 00:44:07,541 --> 00:44:10,786 During these years, Sidney not only worked at Radio, 774 00:44:10,820 --> 00:44:14,203 but was a trusted translator of important Party documents 775 00:44:14,237 --> 00:44:16,999 and of Mao's collected works. 776 00:44:17,033 --> 00:44:20,727 He and Yulin raised a family and lived comfortably. 777 00:44:20,761 --> 00:44:23,764 His position as a foreign expert protecting them from the worst 778 00:44:23,799 --> 00:44:27,526 excesses of the mass movements. 779 00:44:27,561 --> 00:44:30,633 But on the horizon was a political storm 780 00:44:30,668 --> 00:44:33,291 in which no one would be protected. 781 00:44:33,325 --> 00:44:40,781 ♪ 782 00:44:44,889 --> 00:44:51,412 ♪ 783 00:44:51,447 --> 00:44:53,967 The tragic failure of The Great Leap Forward 784 00:44:54,001 --> 00:44:56,728 had fractured the Party's leadership. 785 00:44:56,763 --> 00:45:00,076 Mao and his policies were being challenged. 786 00:45:00,111 --> 00:45:01,975 Both his vision of the revolution 787 00:45:02,009 --> 00:45:05,461 and his historical legacy were at stake. 788 00:45:05,495 --> 00:45:08,153 In the crucible of the Cultural Revolution, 789 00:45:08,188 --> 00:45:10,466 Mao's struggle for survival would become 790 00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:14,470 the country's struggle for survival. 791 00:45:14,504 --> 00:45:16,610 It was all about whether you were 792 00:45:16,644 --> 00:45:20,683 really following Chairman Mao or not. 793 00:45:20,718 --> 00:45:23,513 Not the Communist Party, the interesting thing was 794 00:45:23,548 --> 00:45:28,484 that the Cultural Revolution began, really, as a revolution 795 00:45:28,518 --> 00:45:30,797 against the Communist Party, 796 00:45:30,831 --> 00:45:33,938 although nobody said it like that. 797 00:45:33,972 --> 00:45:37,838 The key slogan with which the Cultural Revolution started 798 00:45:37,873 --> 00:45:42,774 was "zàofan youli," "It's right to rebel." 799 00:45:42,809 --> 00:45:46,157 And he put that into the hands of the young people 800 00:45:46,191 --> 00:45:47,606 with the little red book. 801 00:45:47,641 --> 00:45:51,196 "It's right to rebel," and that's all they needed. 802 00:45:51,231 --> 00:45:54,993 These young people had grown up, as the saying goes, 803 00:45:55,028 --> 00:45:57,927 "under the red banner," that's all they'd known 804 00:45:57,962 --> 00:46:02,173 and they had been taught since infancy that the interests 805 00:46:02,207 --> 00:46:06,902 of the Party and the government, the country, come first. 806 00:46:06,936 --> 00:46:10,802 So, now all of a sudden, rebelling to reclaim 807 00:46:10,837 --> 00:46:14,599 your personal interests became not only legitimate, 808 00:46:14,633 --> 00:46:16,808 it was revolutionary. 809 00:46:16,843 --> 00:46:21,709 And so the force with which this exploded was tremendous. 810 00:46:21,744 --> 00:46:28,786 I saw it as a kind of, a redux of the Protestant Revolution, 811 00:46:28,820 --> 00:46:32,065 the Protestant Reformation in Europe. 812 00:46:32,099 --> 00:46:34,964 Previously, in the Medieval Catholic Church, 813 00:46:34,999 --> 00:46:38,140 you didn't read the Bible, and interpret it, 814 00:46:38,174 --> 00:46:40,521 the priesthood, from the Pope down, 815 00:46:40,556 --> 00:46:44,491 told you what the Bible said that you needed to know. 816 00:46:44,525 --> 00:46:47,356 Then came Martin Luther and company 817 00:46:47,390 --> 00:46:51,774 and you had an individual, personal relationship with God. 818 00:46:51,809 --> 00:46:55,536 You read the Bible, you decide what it meant, you followed it. 819 00:46:55,571 --> 00:46:57,400 Exactly this. 820 00:46:57,435 --> 00:47:00,231 Everyone got a copy of the little red book, 821 00:47:00,265 --> 00:47:02,992 "Quotations form Chairman Mao." 822 00:47:03,027 --> 00:47:04,304 What did it mean? 823 00:47:04,338 --> 00:47:05,684 Up to you. 824 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:10,344 You read it, you decide what it means, you act on it. 825 00:47:10,379 --> 00:47:13,727 There's no authority that can tell you what it means, 826 00:47:13,761 --> 00:47:16,523 except for Chairman Mao, of course. 827 00:47:18,525 --> 00:47:23,910 And one of the most enthusiastic people that I talked with 828 00:47:23,944 --> 00:47:32,021 in the early days, and this was in January '67, 829 00:47:32,056 --> 00:47:37,993 was Zhou Enlai, I had a long talk with him one-on-one, 830 00:47:38,027 --> 00:47:43,170 in which he was saying, "Look at the freedom, 831 00:47:43,205 --> 00:47:45,517 look at the atmosphere of freedom. 832 00:47:45,552 --> 00:47:48,658 Anybody can say anything they want." 833 00:47:48,693 --> 00:47:52,041 He says, "Can the American President do this? 834 00:47:52,076 --> 00:47:54,802 Can he allow them to put up wall posters 835 00:47:54,837 --> 00:47:57,184 on the walls of-of the White House? 836 00:47:57,219 --> 00:47:58,910 Would they dare?" 837 00:47:58,945 --> 00:48:01,292 But, now we have it in China. 838 00:48:01,326 --> 00:48:02,880 He was carried away. 839 00:48:04,157 --> 00:48:08,402 ♪ 840 00:48:08,437 --> 00:48:13,442 It was the feeling of democratic rebellion that was in the air. 841 00:48:13,476 --> 00:48:16,583 That was very powerful. 842 00:48:16,617 --> 00:48:20,794 Young people making speeches that sounded like Patrick Henry 843 00:48:20,828 --> 00:48:23,141 on the streets and at Radio. 844 00:48:23,176 --> 00:48:26,455 And I remember saying to Yulin, 845 00:48:26,489 --> 00:48:29,113 when I first started getting involved, I said, 846 00:48:29,147 --> 00:48:33,703 "You know, I may end up covered with mud from head to foot, 847 00:48:33,738 --> 00:48:36,637 but if anything was ever worth it, this is it." 848 00:48:37,535 --> 00:48:40,745 ♪ 849 00:48:40,779 --> 00:48:44,852 In the Spring of 1966, Mao issued, what he called, 850 00:48:44,887 --> 00:48:48,166 "My Big Character Poster," with the slogan: 851 00:48:48,201 --> 00:48:50,375 "Bombard the Headquarters" 852 00:48:50,410 --> 00:48:52,308 ♪ 853 00:48:52,343 --> 00:48:56,105 The right to rebel was to be a purge of the Party leadership, 854 00:48:56,140 --> 00:48:58,694 the Big Character Poster became a weapon in the hands 855 00:48:58,728 --> 00:49:02,111 of China's youth, the Red Guards. 856 00:49:02,146 --> 00:49:06,253 At first, foreigners in China were told to stay out of it, 857 00:49:06,288 --> 00:49:08,186 but Sidney Rittenberg, with the approval 858 00:49:08,221 --> 00:49:14,572 of Premier Zhou Enlai insisted on taking part. 859 00:49:14,606 --> 00:49:17,471 The-the place where I really got involved was, 860 00:49:17,506 --> 00:49:21,544 one night I was walking home... 861 00:49:21,579 --> 00:49:24,133 and I saw that, in the Radio theater, 862 00:49:24,168 --> 00:49:26,066 there was some kind of meeting going on, 863 00:49:26,101 --> 00:49:28,517 so I just poked my head in to see. 864 00:49:28,551 --> 00:49:29,863 It was remarkable. 865 00:49:29,897 --> 00:49:33,073 ♪ 866 00:49:33,108 --> 00:49:35,524 Rival factions, each of them claiming to be 867 00:49:35,558 --> 00:49:38,699 the true supporters of Chairman Mao, were organizing 868 00:49:38,734 --> 00:49:42,841 throughout the country and Radio was no exception. 869 00:49:42,876 --> 00:49:46,086 At this meeting, the security department as one, 870 00:49:46,121 --> 00:49:48,675 resigned and joined a rebel group, 871 00:49:48,709 --> 00:49:52,161 saying they had told their last lies for the Party. 872 00:49:52,196 --> 00:49:55,958 Rittenberg was about to take sides. 873 00:49:55,993 --> 00:49:59,375 That was really something to me, I mean, that was really 874 00:49:59,410 --> 00:50:01,584 something like revolution. 875 00:50:01,619 --> 00:50:04,035 The security department saying 876 00:50:04,070 --> 00:50:07,763 that they had told their last lies for the Party. 877 00:50:07,797 --> 00:50:12,043 Something big was happening here and so I also joined 878 00:50:12,078 --> 00:50:13,389 the rebel organization. 879 00:50:15,943 --> 00:50:19,292 There were two different groups, our group was called 880 00:50:19,326 --> 00:50:25,367 the Rebel Regiment... to Defend Mao Zedong Thought. 881 00:50:25,401 --> 00:50:27,610 The other one was called 882 00:50:27,645 --> 00:50:35,722 the Brigade to Defend Mao Zedong Thought to the Death. 883 00:50:35,756 --> 00:50:40,520 So, they were called the "To the Death Brigade," 884 00:50:40,554 --> 00:50:44,800 and they were set up by the Party secretary at the Radio. 885 00:50:44,834 --> 00:50:49,149 They were his boys, his... his followers and therefore 886 00:50:49,184 --> 00:50:53,153 they were condemned and denounced as "royalists," 887 00:50:53,188 --> 00:50:57,571 they were the royalists who were protecting the leadership 888 00:50:57,606 --> 00:50:59,435 and we were the rebels. 889 00:50:59,470 --> 00:51:07,236 And one amazing episode after the other. 890 00:51:09,307 --> 00:51:11,378 ♪ 891 00:51:11,413 --> 00:51:14,485 As happened elsewhere during the Cultural Revolution, 892 00:51:14,519 --> 00:51:17,004 it wasn't long before the rebel groups at Radio 893 00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:20,146 confronted one another, face to face. 894 00:51:20,180 --> 00:51:23,356 ♪ 895 00:51:23,390 --> 00:51:27,394 In the auditorium at Radio, Rittenberg looked on 896 00:51:27,429 --> 00:51:30,639 and then took the stage. 897 00:51:30,673 --> 00:51:34,608 A hubbub started among the audience 898 00:51:34,643 --> 00:51:42,029 and pushing and shouting match between the so-called royalists 899 00:51:42,064 --> 00:51:45,136 and the rebels, these two organizations. 900 00:51:45,171 --> 00:51:50,486 So, something is brewing a fight. 901 00:51:50,521 --> 00:51:52,109 So, I'm sitting there and I'm thinking, 902 00:51:52,143 --> 00:51:54,525 "My goodness, in this auditorium, 903 00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:56,665 not that easy to get in and out of, 904 00:51:56,699 --> 00:51:58,770 if it really, if a big fight starts here, 905 00:51:58,805 --> 00:52:00,047 it's gonna really be bad." 906 00:52:01,428 --> 00:52:05,294 So, I went up on the stage and the girl, 907 00:52:05,329 --> 00:52:08,297 the Red Guard leader, from the Radio Institute 908 00:52:08,332 --> 00:52:10,644 was standing up there at the microphone, 909 00:52:10,679 --> 00:52:14,545 really not knowing what to do and I went up to her 910 00:52:14,579 --> 00:52:19,343 and I said, "Will you allow me to speak?" 911 00:52:19,377 --> 00:52:23,519 And I said, "Who are these young people? 912 00:52:23,554 --> 00:52:27,213 They're our successors, they're the successors 913 00:52:27,247 --> 00:52:30,285 to the revolution, that's who they are. 914 00:52:30,319 --> 00:52:33,771 And what are we supposed to be doing? 915 00:52:33,805 --> 00:52:37,947 We're supposed to be using the democratic rights 916 00:52:37,982 --> 00:52:42,607 that Chairman Mao has given us to air our opinions 917 00:52:42,642 --> 00:52:47,129 and our grievances and to try to straighten out 918 00:52:47,164 --> 00:52:51,168 the wrong things or stupid things that the leaders do." 919 00:52:51,202 --> 00:52:52,203 So on and so forth. 920 00:52:52,238 --> 00:52:53,929 That's all that's going on. 921 00:52:53,963 --> 00:52:59,452 "So, what's the... what's the controversy about? 922 00:52:59,486 --> 00:53:03,387 What is there to disagree with or to fight about about this?" 923 00:53:03,421 --> 00:53:06,562 Everybody was just calm, coulda heard a pin drop. 924 00:53:08,115 --> 00:53:12,258 But, what I didn't know was that they were recording my speech 925 00:53:12,292 --> 00:53:15,019 about democracy and the right to speak and the right 926 00:53:15,053 --> 00:53:18,195 to oppose and it went all over the country, 927 00:53:18,229 --> 00:53:20,921 so the next day, I'm somebody. 928 00:53:20,956 --> 00:53:24,994 I start getting phone calls from all ov--all over the country 929 00:53:25,029 --> 00:53:28,584 and, so that, that started it. 930 00:53:28,619 --> 00:53:31,449 So, I became very much in demand as a speaker 931 00:53:31,484 --> 00:53:34,832 at Red Guard rallies and at universities 932 00:53:34,866 --> 00:53:37,938 and to write for the paper and so on and so forth, 933 00:53:37,973 --> 00:53:40,182 so everything changed. 934 00:53:40,217 --> 00:53:42,426 And in the process, you became a celebrity? 935 00:53:42,460 --> 00:53:44,566 Yeah, in the process, I became a celebrity. 936 00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,844 It was the beginning of it. 937 00:53:46,878 --> 00:53:49,950 It's hard to believe, but I spoke to everything, 938 00:53:49,985 --> 00:53:55,542 from a meeting of over 100,000 in Tianjin 939 00:53:55,577 --> 00:53:58,649 at the university there, uh... 940 00:53:58,683 --> 00:54:00,892 to in the Great Hall of the People, 941 00:54:00,927 --> 00:54:04,689 the Congress hall, to 10,000 leaders 942 00:54:04,724 --> 00:54:10,005 from all over the country, to the uh, uh... 943 00:54:10,039 --> 00:54:13,077 to the State Science Commission, to scientists, 944 00:54:13,111 --> 00:54:16,080 and technologists, several hundred. 945 00:54:16,114 --> 00:54:19,359 Uh, to huge audiences at all the, 946 00:54:19,394 --> 00:54:24,399 all the major universities, um... 947 00:54:28,575 --> 00:54:33,615 and over the phone to a meeting of thousands of Red Guards, 948 00:54:33,649 --> 00:54:41,623 way off in Chian, to a huge workers conference in Shanghai, 949 00:54:41,657 --> 00:54:45,385 everywhere, I was the speaker. 950 00:54:45,420 --> 00:54:48,388 What did they want to hear from you? 951 00:54:48,423 --> 00:54:51,943 Well, you know, it was a romantically built up figure, 952 00:54:51,978 --> 00:54:55,464 this American who spoke fluent Chinese, 953 00:54:55,499 --> 00:54:59,330 who was from the generation of Yan'an, 954 00:54:59,365 --> 00:55:02,782 but unlike most of that generation, 955 00:55:02,816 --> 00:55:06,130 actively supported the Cultural Revolution and stood 956 00:55:06,164 --> 00:55:12,343 with the young people and was, had been named by Mao as a, 957 00:55:12,378 --> 00:55:16,554 quote unquote, "international communist fighter." 958 00:55:18,349 --> 00:55:20,351 This didn't surprise you? 959 00:55:20,386 --> 00:55:22,629 That you were playing this role? 960 00:55:22,664 --> 00:55:26,253 No, that was my role, that was my role to play. 961 00:55:26,288 --> 00:55:29,809 That's why I always wore Western clothes, 962 00:55:29,843 --> 00:55:32,777 rather than Chinese clothes because I wanted 963 00:55:32,812 --> 00:55:35,953 to be recognized as an American 964 00:55:35,987 --> 00:55:39,750 who was working for the Chinese Revolution. 965 00:55:42,408 --> 00:55:47,413 The four principal Red Guard leaders in Beijing 966 00:55:47,447 --> 00:55:51,451 were from the four biggest universities and I became 967 00:55:51,486 --> 00:55:55,766 sort of their father, confessor, and counselor. 968 00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:02,289 One talk I had in the park with these four fearsome chieftains, 969 00:56:02,324 --> 00:56:06,742 really fearsome, I mean, they were it in those days, 970 00:56:06,777 --> 00:56:09,366 and I asked them, I said, "What do you--what do you 971 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:13,680 want to do after the Cultural Revolution is over?" 972 00:56:13,715 --> 00:56:17,926 And they all said, "We want to go to America." 973 00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,203 And I said, "Why?" 974 00:56:19,237 --> 00:56:22,551 I mean U.S. imperialism was the enemy of choice 975 00:56:22,586 --> 00:56:24,450 in those days, so why do you want to go? 976 00:56:24,484 --> 00:56:29,627 And Kuai Dafu said, "Well," he said, "I just wanna see 977 00:56:29,662 --> 00:56:35,978 what it is about the Capitalist system that makes it so secure, 978 00:56:36,013 --> 00:56:39,223 makes it so stable," he says that, 979 00:56:39,257 --> 00:56:44,297 "There's the United States, the chief of world imperialism, 980 00:56:44,331 --> 00:56:47,542 an exploiting society and yet there's no worry 981 00:56:47,576 --> 00:56:52,374 about being overthrown, you don't worry about people 982 00:56:52,409 --> 00:56:56,102 talking or whatever that the system's gonna collapse." 983 00:56:56,136 --> 00:56:58,484 Why, he says, "Cause I wanna go and see." 984 00:56:58,518 --> 00:57:00,382 That's what they were like. 985 00:57:01,659 --> 00:57:07,424 You'd become an important person. 986 00:57:07,458 --> 00:57:10,254 Sort of, yeah. 987 00:57:10,288 --> 00:57:15,017 Sidney...your words were circulated 988 00:57:15,052 --> 00:57:16,502 throughout the country! 989 00:57:16,536 --> 00:57:18,607 People wanted you to speak, 990 00:57:18,642 --> 00:57:20,678 people wanted you at mass rallies, 991 00:57:20,713 --> 00:57:22,784 Uh-huh. 992 00:57:22,818 --> 00:57:24,820 You had the ear of Zhou Enlai, 993 00:57:24,855 --> 00:57:31,517 you had the ear of Jiang Qing, Mao's wife! 994 00:57:31,551 --> 00:57:35,797 Yes, and when it all collapsed around my ears, I had the voice 995 00:57:35,831 --> 00:57:41,354 of my father saying, "Fools names like fools faces 996 00:57:41,388 --> 00:57:47,084 often found in public places." 997 00:57:48,672 --> 00:57:53,504 Well, I was thinking that we were building a new world. 998 00:57:53,539 --> 00:57:56,196 that the Cultural Revolution was building 999 00:57:56,231 --> 00:58:00,304 a new democratic socialist world. 1000 00:58:00,338 --> 00:58:04,273 And yet, you knew of the violence that was going on 1001 00:58:04,308 --> 00:58:08,208 and people's careers being ruined and good people, 1002 00:58:08,243 --> 00:58:10,901 people you knew, people who were your friends 1003 00:58:10,935 --> 00:58:13,248 and colleagues, being struggled against 1004 00:58:13,282 --> 00:58:17,390 at mass meetings which you attended. 1005 00:58:17,424 --> 00:58:21,877 How was this affecting you? 1006 00:58:21,912 --> 00:58:27,538 You know, I made some feeble attempts to... 1007 00:58:27,573 --> 00:58:32,198 protest or to do something about the... 1008 00:58:32,232 --> 00:58:34,269 brutal way that people were treated 1009 00:58:34,303 --> 00:58:38,894 at these mass-struggle meetings. 1010 00:58:38,929 --> 00:58:42,311 I felt this was wrong, I was against it, 1011 00:58:42,346 --> 00:58:47,524 I bleated a few times at people and then I dropped it 1012 00:58:47,558 --> 00:58:53,219 because it is written, "A revolution is not like 1013 00:58:53,253 --> 00:58:57,050 inviting guests to dinner," it can't be that civilized, 1014 00:58:57,085 --> 00:59:00,882 that courteous, that gracious, that gentle. 1015 00:59:04,610 --> 00:59:05,956 And it wasn't. 1016 00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:08,268 It wasn't. 1017 00:59:09,615 --> 00:59:14,102 ♪ 1018 00:59:14,136 --> 00:59:20,211 During its most violent years, 1966 to 1969, the devastation 1019 00:59:20,246 --> 00:59:23,698 and brutality of the Cultural Revolution were not always 1020 00:59:23,732 --> 00:59:28,461 visible to the outside world, much less understandable. 1021 00:59:28,495 --> 00:59:31,913 At the time, eyewitnesses rarely documented the convulsions 1022 00:59:31,947 --> 00:59:35,675 of a country that had turned against itself. 1023 00:59:35,710 --> 00:59:39,161 It was an era of chaos and confusion. 1024 00:59:39,196 --> 00:59:41,543 ♪ 1025 00:59:43,096 --> 00:59:47,584 That's the Cultural Revolution, it's like a national holiday 1026 00:59:47,618 --> 00:59:51,311 mixed with unbelievable cruelty. 1027 00:59:53,348 --> 00:59:55,661 You see, and... 1028 00:59:58,905 --> 01:00:03,841 I mean, there were high school Red Guards, 1029 01:00:03,876 --> 01:00:11,124 I know one high school Red Guard unit that captured and tortured 1030 01:00:11,159 --> 01:00:15,957 the kids from a rival high school Red Guard unit, 1031 01:00:15,991 --> 01:00:20,133 recorded their screams, and played them 1032 01:00:20,168 --> 01:00:23,861 for all of their troops to harden them 1033 01:00:23,896 --> 01:00:25,967 to struggle with the class enemy. 1034 01:00:26,001 --> 01:00:33,250 So, I mean real fascist storm trooper tactics were going on. 1035 01:00:33,284 --> 01:00:39,532 Some...elderly people who had once been shopkeepers, 1036 01:00:39,566 --> 01:00:44,399 not a crime, according to Mao Zedong doctrine, 1037 01:00:44,433 --> 01:00:47,851 they had been shopkeepers, therefore viewed as capitalists, 1038 01:00:47,885 --> 01:00:53,097 and had been working for state owned stores forever, 1039 01:00:53,132 --> 01:00:56,825 but they were killed by these young kids 1040 01:00:56,860 --> 01:01:03,970 in their anger at the exploiters. 1041 01:01:04,005 --> 01:01:07,353 There was a schoolteacher who got a knock on his door 1042 01:01:07,387 --> 01:01:09,873 in the middle of the night, opened the door, 1043 01:01:09,907 --> 01:01:14,809 and was stabbed to death by several students. 1044 01:01:14,843 --> 01:01:18,847 It's unbelievable brutality and cruelty 1045 01:01:18,882 --> 01:01:23,852 as the background of this whole revolutionary firm hand. 1046 01:01:23,887 --> 01:01:31,998 And for the army and the police, it was basically hands-off. 1047 01:01:32,033 --> 01:01:34,552 If they're not setting fire to public property 1048 01:01:34,587 --> 01:01:39,488 and major destruction, stay out of it. 1049 01:01:41,180 --> 01:01:46,150 It was a catastrophe of historic proportions. 1050 01:01:46,185 --> 01:01:49,015 You could only compare it to a catastrophe 1051 01:01:49,050 --> 01:01:52,398 like the Holocaust in Europe. 1052 01:01:52,432 --> 01:01:54,814 In fact, Li Xiannian, when he became president, 1053 01:01:54,849 --> 01:01:56,885 called it a Holocaust, he said, 1054 01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,198 "This is our Chinese Holocaust." 1055 01:02:02,201 --> 01:02:05,791 And how many millions of people died? 1056 01:02:05,825 --> 01:02:08,276 I've never seen an accounting, 1057 01:02:08,310 --> 01:02:09,829 and I'm not sure anyone knows, 1058 01:02:09,864 --> 01:02:13,281 but you go to China, today, 1059 01:02:13,315 --> 01:02:16,836 and I don't think you can find any family 1060 01:02:16,871 --> 01:02:20,115 that doesn--that didn't have at least one member 1061 01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:24,499 that was seriously damaged in the Cultural Revolution. 1062 01:02:24,533 --> 01:02:27,295 Because today, this faction would be on top, 1063 01:02:27,329 --> 01:02:30,056 and tomorrow, another faction. 1064 01:02:30,091 --> 01:02:33,370 So up and down, round and round. 1065 01:02:33,404 --> 01:02:36,235 Lin Biao announced publicly 1066 01:02:36,269 --> 01:02:39,272 in the second year of the Cultural Revolution-- 1067 01:02:39,307 --> 01:02:43,794 Lin Baio was Mao's second in command at that point-- 1068 01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:47,108 he said that more army men, 1069 01:02:47,142 --> 01:02:50,007 more soldiers had been killed 1070 01:02:50,042 --> 01:02:53,010 in the first period of the Cultural Revolution 1071 01:02:53,045 --> 01:02:57,497 than in the largest military campaign in Chinese history. 1072 01:02:59,534 --> 01:03:00,777 So you can imagine, 1073 01:03:00,811 --> 01:03:03,503 millions and millions of people perished. 1074 01:03:03,538 --> 01:03:08,025 At the Radio where we were working, 1075 01:03:08,060 --> 01:03:10,579 four people that we knew 1076 01:03:10,614 --> 01:03:13,928 committed suicide in the first week 1077 01:03:13,962 --> 01:03:16,723 of the Cultural Revolution. 1078 01:03:16,758 --> 01:03:21,798 People like one woman who had been on the Long March, 1079 01:03:21,832 --> 01:03:24,628 and the old Red Army was suddenly accused 1080 01:03:24,662 --> 01:03:28,183 of being a counter-revolutionary and a traitor 1081 01:03:28,218 --> 01:03:29,184 to the revolution 1082 01:03:29,219 --> 01:03:31,946 and she just jumped off the roof 1083 01:03:31,980 --> 01:03:32,912 and ended it. 1084 01:03:32,947 --> 01:03:35,742 Four people that we knew. 1085 01:03:35,777 --> 01:03:38,745 So the damage was enormous. 1086 01:03:41,438 --> 01:03:45,752 ♪ 1087 01:03:45,787 --> 01:03:47,478 Power at the top was wielded 1088 01:03:47,513 --> 01:03:50,447 by the central Cultural Revolution group, 1089 01:03:50,481 --> 01:03:54,071 whose leaders became known as the Gang of Four. 1090 01:03:54,106 --> 01:03:57,557 Most prominent among them was Mao's wife, Jiang Qing. 1091 01:03:58,765 --> 01:04:01,285 When the Rebel Regiment at Radio met resistance 1092 01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,425 from those still in authority, 1093 01:04:03,460 --> 01:04:06,532 Rittenberg went to Jiang Qing for help. 1094 01:04:06,566 --> 01:04:08,430 She wasn't the same woman he remembered 1095 01:04:08,465 --> 01:04:11,813 from the Saturday night dances in Yan'an. 1096 01:04:13,159 --> 01:04:17,543 What happened was amazing to me because I had-- 1097 01:04:17,577 --> 01:04:23,238 I had known Jiang Qing since 1946 in Yan'an. 1098 01:04:23,273 --> 01:04:27,035 She started as an ambitious young person, 1099 01:04:27,070 --> 01:04:30,073 very little talent as a movie actress, 1100 01:04:30,107 --> 01:04:32,903 but great talent as a political actress. 1101 01:04:32,938 --> 01:04:36,596 Now, I could not recognize her as the same person I had known. 1102 01:04:36,631 --> 01:04:39,703 The thing that popped into my head 1103 01:04:39,737 --> 01:04:44,052 was the image from the old Hollywood movie, 1104 01:04:44,087 --> 01:04:46,503 A Tale of Two Cities, 1105 01:04:46,537 --> 01:04:48,954 in which Madame Defarge, 1106 01:04:48,988 --> 01:04:51,853 the French radical woman, 1107 01:04:51,888 --> 01:04:55,581 was played by Blanche Yurka, terrific, 1108 01:04:55,615 --> 01:05:01,794 and, oh, she was just storm and stress incarnate. 1109 01:05:01,828 --> 01:05:03,865 You know, just fury, 1110 01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:05,625 revolutionary fury. 1111 01:05:05,660 --> 01:05:07,696 And that's what Jiang Qing was like, 1112 01:05:07,731 --> 01:05:09,560 not rational at all. 1113 01:05:10,941 --> 01:05:15,497 She also had the chief of staff of the army there, 1114 01:05:15,532 --> 01:05:16,982 and the-- 1115 01:05:17,016 --> 01:05:21,400 and a deputy chief of staff in charge of military training. 1116 01:05:22,988 --> 01:05:24,092 And she said-- 1117 01:05:24,127 --> 01:05:25,956 well, the gist of what she said 1118 01:05:25,991 --> 01:05:30,202 in her rantings was that we are determined. 1119 01:05:30,236 --> 01:05:32,238 We're going to tear down 1120 01:05:32,273 --> 01:05:36,656 every single bureaucratic institution in China 1121 01:05:36,691 --> 01:05:40,488 and build them all up again. 1122 01:05:40,522 --> 01:05:44,733 The way that chairman Mao's revolutionary line demands, 1123 01:05:44,768 --> 01:05:47,805 to be revolutionary institutions. 1124 01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,498 And she said, 1125 01:05:50,532 --> 01:05:53,397 "When I went to the Radio institute, 1126 01:05:53,432 --> 01:05:56,745 they wouldn't let me in the gate, at first." 1127 01:05:56,780 --> 01:05:57,954 And I told them, 1128 01:05:57,988 --> 01:05:59,472 "If you don't let me in, 1129 01:05:59,507 --> 01:06:02,096 I have a column of cadre 1130 01:06:02,130 --> 01:06:04,822 in Zhongnanhai in the central committee quarters, 1131 01:06:04,857 --> 01:06:07,446 I'll bring them here and we'll knock down your gate." 1132 01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,862 And she repeated that statement. 1133 01:06:09,896 --> 01:06:12,727 She said, "Well, I'll knock down any gate 1134 01:06:12,761 --> 01:06:15,695 that doesn't let in the revolution, 1135 01:06:15,730 --> 01:06:18,353 any gate that protects revisionism." 1136 01:06:19,665 --> 01:06:23,945 ♪ 1137 01:06:23,980 --> 01:06:25,222 The door seemed open 1138 01:06:25,257 --> 01:06:28,225 for an unprecedented course of action. 1139 01:06:28,260 --> 01:06:29,951 No rebel group had yet taken 1140 01:06:29,986 --> 01:06:32,471 over a central government department, 1141 01:06:32,505 --> 01:06:34,542 let alone one as politically sensitive 1142 01:06:34,576 --> 01:06:37,269 as the broadcast administration. 1143 01:06:37,303 --> 01:06:39,512 Rittenberg and the Rebel Regiment 1144 01:06:39,547 --> 01:06:41,273 were emboldened to act. 1145 01:06:43,482 --> 01:06:46,002 Well, the next big thing was on New Year's Eve 1146 01:06:46,036 --> 01:06:47,210 when we all-- 1147 01:06:47,244 --> 01:06:49,108 the Rebel Regiment leaders 1148 01:06:49,143 --> 01:06:51,697 gathered... 1149 01:06:51,731 --> 01:06:54,976 in the--in their office, 1150 01:06:55,011 --> 01:06:58,255 and they decided that the time had come 1151 01:06:58,290 --> 01:07:00,706 for them to take power, 1152 01:07:00,740 --> 01:07:04,779 to take over the leadership of the Radio, formally. 1153 01:07:04,813 --> 01:07:06,746 Run the whole thing. 1154 01:07:06,781 --> 01:07:09,542 And nobody had ever done this 1155 01:07:09,577 --> 01:07:11,889 in a government organ before, 1156 01:07:11,924 --> 01:07:14,409 let alone in such an important one as this. 1157 01:07:15,928 --> 01:07:18,379 So we marched in, eight or ten of us, 1158 01:07:18,413 --> 01:07:21,934 we marched into the central editorial office, 1159 01:07:21,968 --> 01:07:25,144 where the two deputy directors 1160 01:07:25,179 --> 01:07:26,835 were there in charge, 1161 01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:30,356 and we just read, we read them a notice saying 1162 01:07:30,391 --> 01:07:35,465 that the Rebel Regiment was taking over command 1163 01:07:35,499 --> 01:07:39,607 of the State Broadcasting Institute, 1164 01:07:39,641 --> 01:07:42,230 and from this day on, you're working for us. 1165 01:07:44,508 --> 01:07:47,063 A few days later, 1166 01:07:47,097 --> 01:07:48,133 a statement came 1167 01:07:48,167 --> 01:07:52,896 from Mao Zedong himself saying, 1168 01:07:52,930 --> 01:07:57,452 "If rebels at Radio have taken over, good for them. 1169 01:07:59,696 --> 01:08:05,874 Now there's some dissention among the rebels. 1170 01:08:05,909 --> 01:08:10,086 They should be counseled to unite." 1171 01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:11,121 That's all. 1172 01:08:11,156 --> 01:08:13,917 In those days, a word from Mao, 1173 01:08:13,951 --> 01:08:18,542 it was called the newest supreme directive. 1174 01:08:18,577 --> 01:08:19,578 Supreme directive, 1175 01:08:19,612 --> 01:08:22,063 so that was law. 1176 01:08:22,098 --> 01:08:26,102 And so this great elation about we got approval. 1177 01:08:26,136 --> 01:08:29,415 But why did he imagine-- you know, that was one 1178 01:08:29,450 --> 01:08:32,315 of the greatest lessons of my life, 1179 01:08:32,349 --> 01:08:36,733 what happened in the next few weeks. 1180 01:08:36,767 --> 01:08:39,149 Here's what happened at Radio, 1181 01:08:39,184 --> 01:08:43,464 and similarly, everywhere. 1182 01:08:43,498 --> 01:08:46,122 These guys come into power 1183 01:08:46,156 --> 01:08:49,815 over an organization of 7,000 people, 1184 01:08:49,849 --> 01:08:53,957 very complicated. 1185 01:08:53,991 --> 01:08:59,031 They have no idea even how to manage the motor pool, 1186 01:08:59,065 --> 01:09:01,067 let alone the whole thing. 1187 01:09:04,899 --> 01:09:07,971 Revolutionary zeal was the order of the day, 1188 01:09:08,005 --> 01:09:10,215 but political fury was no substitute 1189 01:09:10,249 --> 01:09:14,253 for practical experience, or management skills. 1190 01:09:16,186 --> 01:09:19,293 When the leadership of the Rebel Regiment was challenged, 1191 01:09:19,327 --> 01:09:21,985 power became an end in itself. 1192 01:09:23,987 --> 01:09:26,610 And these guys, they would go 1193 01:09:26,645 --> 01:09:29,958 to the living quarters 1194 01:09:29,993 --> 01:09:33,514 of the dissatisfied people, 1195 01:09:33,548 --> 01:09:37,000 they'd break open the locks on their desk drawers, 1196 01:09:37,034 --> 01:09:39,002 they'd confiscate their diaries, 1197 01:09:39,036 --> 01:09:41,246 they'd read their mail, 1198 01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,179 they'd put them in confinement. 1199 01:09:45,457 --> 01:09:47,873 So very quickly, 1200 01:09:47,907 --> 01:09:50,772 it turned from this great democracy 1201 01:09:50,807 --> 01:09:54,224 into a great dictatorship. 1202 01:09:54,259 --> 01:09:55,881 So that's when I came 1203 01:09:55,915 --> 01:09:59,678 into face to face argument with Jiang Qing. 1204 01:09:59,712 --> 01:10:02,232 I said, "You shouldn't support these people 1205 01:10:02,267 --> 01:10:05,166 because they're suppressing their opposition. 1206 01:10:05,201 --> 01:10:07,617 They're not practicing democracy." 1207 01:10:07,651 --> 01:10:10,136 But she was supporting them. 1208 01:10:10,171 --> 01:10:13,761 There's a meeting of the full Radio staff 1209 01:10:13,795 --> 01:10:15,901 in which she speaks, I speak, 1210 01:10:15,935 --> 01:10:18,006 the Rebel leader speaks, 1211 01:10:18,041 --> 01:10:19,318 and I really thought 1212 01:10:19,353 --> 01:10:21,562 I may never get out of this place alive, 1213 01:10:21,596 --> 01:10:23,460 'cause there was only one entrance. 1214 01:10:23,495 --> 01:10:26,394 It's a music hall, there's no back entrance. 1215 01:10:26,429 --> 01:10:28,189 I have to go through all these-- 1216 01:10:28,224 --> 01:10:30,571 this crowd to get to the front door. 1217 01:10:30,605 --> 01:10:33,367 But I was so... 1218 01:10:33,401 --> 01:10:34,299 angry, 1219 01:10:34,333 --> 01:10:35,817 and I said, I said, 1220 01:10:35,852 --> 01:10:37,578 "You know what you're doing? 1221 01:10:37,612 --> 01:10:42,583 You're using the methods that the oppressors use 1222 01:10:42,617 --> 01:10:44,240 to get rid of opposition. 1223 01:10:44,274 --> 01:10:46,380 You're doing exactly the same thing, 1224 01:10:46,414 --> 01:10:48,589 you're denying them the right to speak, 1225 01:10:48,623 --> 01:10:51,316 you're holding people by force 1226 01:10:51,350 --> 01:10:52,903 in confinement, 1227 01:10:52,938 --> 01:10:54,180 even the representative 1228 01:10:54,215 --> 01:10:56,700 of the Cultural Revolution leading group. 1229 01:10:56,735 --> 01:10:59,082 Look what you turned into. 1230 01:10:59,116 --> 01:11:00,290 And you think you have the right 1231 01:11:00,325 --> 01:11:03,293 to call yourself 1232 01:11:03,328 --> 01:11:06,262 Regiment to Defend Mao Zedong Thought?" 1233 01:11:06,296 --> 01:11:07,366 And they're very angry, 1234 01:11:07,401 --> 01:11:10,369 they don't like this at all. 1235 01:11:10,404 --> 01:11:12,268 Then someone, who turned out later 1236 01:11:12,302 --> 01:11:14,994 to have been inspired from on top, 1237 01:11:15,029 --> 01:11:18,550 suggests that we set up a three, 1238 01:11:18,584 --> 01:11:20,828 a committee of three, 1239 01:11:20,862 --> 01:11:24,487 to conduct a rectification campaign 1240 01:11:24,521 --> 01:11:28,594 to restore unity at Radio through education, 1241 01:11:28,629 --> 01:11:31,252 and that I be the chairman of this group, 1242 01:11:31,287 --> 01:11:32,218 and be in charge. 1243 01:11:34,635 --> 01:11:38,466 ♪ 1244 01:11:38,501 --> 01:11:41,227 Sidney Rittenberg had risen to a political position 1245 01:11:41,262 --> 01:11:44,161 unheard of for foreigners in China. 1246 01:11:44,196 --> 01:11:47,337 He was in charge of a critical government agency. 1247 01:11:47,372 --> 01:11:49,339 Broadcasting was a key battleground 1248 01:11:49,374 --> 01:11:52,342 in the Cultural Revolution. 1249 01:11:52,377 --> 01:11:54,413 But as he would soon discover, 1250 01:11:54,448 --> 01:11:57,934 his role was being manipulated from the very top. 1251 01:11:57,968 --> 01:12:00,523 Jiang Qing was using Rittenberg's committee 1252 01:12:00,557 --> 01:12:03,215 to put her own faction in control. 1253 01:12:05,079 --> 01:12:08,427 Now, here's where I made my really big mistake, 1254 01:12:08,462 --> 01:12:10,360 really big mistake. 1255 01:12:10,395 --> 01:12:13,432 I should have quit right then. 1256 01:12:13,467 --> 01:12:14,571 I should have quit, 1257 01:12:14,606 --> 01:12:15,745 but I was too much 1258 01:12:15,779 --> 01:12:19,162 into the power and the glory to quit, really. 1259 01:12:19,196 --> 01:12:20,853 I was too much into that feeling 1260 01:12:20,888 --> 01:12:23,131 that I'm part of history, 1261 01:12:23,166 --> 01:12:26,445 and if I quit now, I'm nothing. 1262 01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:29,483 I just couldn't let it go, 1263 01:12:29,517 --> 01:12:32,140 so I decided, well, I'll keep working on it, 1264 01:12:32,175 --> 01:12:33,590 you know, from the inside. 1265 01:12:33,625 --> 01:12:35,661 But I should have known, 1266 01:12:35,696 --> 01:12:39,596 I should have known. 1267 01:12:39,631 --> 01:12:42,496 You know, one day, I had my picture taken 1268 01:12:42,530 --> 01:12:45,257 in a group photo with Mao 1269 01:12:45,291 --> 01:12:47,742 and two weeks later, 1270 01:12:47,777 --> 01:12:49,951 the picture's reprinted in another paper, 1271 01:12:49,986 --> 01:12:51,746 and I'm blacked out. 1272 01:12:57,476 --> 01:12:59,547 What happened, what went wrong? 1273 01:12:59,582 --> 01:13:02,239 Well, it was happening to so many people, 1274 01:13:02,274 --> 01:13:05,519 it wasn't just me. 1275 01:13:05,553 --> 01:13:08,142 That's one thing that impressed me 1276 01:13:08,176 --> 01:13:09,799 in solitary the second time, 1277 01:13:09,833 --> 01:13:11,421 that these people, 1278 01:13:11,456 --> 01:13:17,047 the President of the People's Republic of China, Liu Shaoqi, 1279 01:13:17,082 --> 01:13:19,636 Mao's anointed successor 1280 01:13:19,671 --> 01:13:21,431 in writing, 1281 01:13:21,466 --> 01:13:26,747 and the leading exponent of Mao's thought... 1282 01:13:29,681 --> 01:13:33,685 almost overnight, he became a prisoner 1283 01:13:33,719 --> 01:13:36,204 and was finally hassled to death. 1284 01:13:38,690 --> 01:13:41,900 So, I thought to myself, 1285 01:13:41,934 --> 01:13:45,282 these people still haven't gotten 1286 01:13:45,317 --> 01:13:48,147 that if it's not safe for everybody, 1287 01:13:48,182 --> 01:13:50,184 it's not safe for anybody. 1288 01:13:50,218 --> 01:13:52,151 Whoever you are, 1289 01:13:52,186 --> 01:13:55,914 if you don't have certain protections, 1290 01:13:55,948 --> 01:14:00,505 that you could be the number two man in the land, 1291 01:14:00,539 --> 01:14:02,990 and you could still drop, just like that. 1292 01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:07,477 It was happening to so many people. 1293 01:14:07,512 --> 01:14:08,927 It wasn't just me. 1294 01:14:10,791 --> 01:14:20,835 ♪ 1295 01:14:20,835 --> 01:14:28,256 ♪ 1296 01:14:28,291 --> 01:14:30,155 Here I am, I'm back in solitary. 1297 01:14:30,189 --> 01:14:31,225 Who would have thought it? 1298 01:14:31,259 --> 01:14:33,227 Who could believe it? 1299 01:14:33,261 --> 01:14:35,194 And one night, 1300 01:14:35,229 --> 01:14:37,438 about two, three years 1301 01:14:37,473 --> 01:14:40,199 into this term in solitary... 1302 01:14:42,132 --> 01:14:44,687 the prison is now 1303 01:14:44,721 --> 01:14:47,344 in the hands of young fanatics, 1304 01:14:47,379 --> 01:14:50,520 Red Guard types, in the army, 1305 01:14:50,555 --> 01:14:53,799 and the original people who ran the prison, 1306 01:14:53,834 --> 01:14:57,044 including the warden, who came and talked to me, 1307 01:14:57,078 --> 01:15:00,530 are now locked up in cells in the prison. 1308 01:15:01,911 --> 01:15:07,364 And, um, I heard them one night, 1309 01:15:07,399 --> 01:15:09,712 after sleep time, 1310 01:15:09,746 --> 01:15:13,509 torturing a female prisoner. 1311 01:15:13,543 --> 01:15:15,027 You could hear the blows, 1312 01:15:15,062 --> 01:15:19,204 you could hear her scream and groan and plead, 1313 01:15:19,238 --> 01:15:21,206 and you have to lie there 1314 01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:24,174 and there's nothing you can do about it. 1315 01:15:24,209 --> 01:15:26,832 And that was a terrible feeling. 1316 01:15:26,867 --> 01:15:30,077 And I felt like the pit and the pendulum. 1317 01:15:30,111 --> 01:15:33,494 You know, I felt the walls closing in, 1318 01:15:33,529 --> 01:15:36,842 and I'm having palpitations, I'm sweating, 1319 01:15:36,877 --> 01:15:40,121 and I'm terrified this time it's gonna get me. 1320 01:15:42,158 --> 01:15:45,368 And how many people were ruined in those prisons 1321 01:15:45,402 --> 01:15:47,888 in the Cultural Revolution. 1322 01:15:47,922 --> 01:15:49,786 I--I have no idea the numbers, 1323 01:15:49,821 --> 01:15:52,478 but the wrecks all over the place, 1324 01:15:52,513 --> 01:15:54,722 the ones still alive. 1325 01:15:54,757 --> 01:15:57,656 They got out, but were just wrecks. 1326 01:16:01,108 --> 01:16:03,317 But I kept saying to myself, 1327 01:16:03,351 --> 01:16:06,009 they control the stimulus. 1328 01:16:06,044 --> 01:16:08,356 They try to break you down 1329 01:16:08,391 --> 01:16:10,773 and make you jump, 1330 01:16:10,807 --> 01:16:13,741 but you control the response. 1331 01:16:13,776 --> 01:16:15,536 They don't control the response. 1332 01:16:15,571 --> 01:16:18,746 So you can modulate the response. 1333 01:16:18,781 --> 01:16:21,300 They can't... 1334 01:16:21,335 --> 01:16:24,614 make you jump whenever they want you to jump. 1335 01:16:24,649 --> 01:16:28,480 And, those-- those were empowering, 1336 01:16:28,514 --> 01:16:32,139 those bits of knowledge were empowering. 1337 01:16:35,867 --> 01:16:39,111 And another thing that was-- 1338 01:16:39,146 --> 01:16:41,838 you know, another experience like that. 1339 01:16:41,873 --> 01:16:45,221 The second time in prison, 1340 01:16:45,255 --> 01:16:47,050 after a couple of years, 1341 01:16:47,085 --> 01:16:50,329 I start thinking one day, 1342 01:16:50,364 --> 01:16:53,401 you know, even if I ever get out of this place, 1343 01:16:53,436 --> 01:16:55,403 which I didn't think would happen. 1344 01:16:55,438 --> 01:16:56,404 Why? 1345 01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:59,028 Because the same Mao Zedong 1346 01:16:59,062 --> 01:17:01,582 had made the same mistake twice 1347 01:17:01,617 --> 01:17:04,136 about the same American, 1348 01:17:04,171 --> 01:17:06,898 and he was now a god-head. 1349 01:17:06,932 --> 01:17:10,418 Were they ever gonna be ready to admit 1350 01:17:10,453 --> 01:17:12,248 that they'd done it again? 1351 01:17:12,282 --> 01:17:13,974 I thought very unlikely. 1352 01:17:16,804 --> 01:17:18,910 Yulin was sent to labor camp, 1353 01:17:18,944 --> 01:17:21,084 just a little over three years. 1354 01:17:21,119 --> 01:17:24,398 And because... 1355 01:17:24,432 --> 01:17:26,711 she wouldn't play ball, 1356 01:17:26,745 --> 01:17:31,232 she was given very hard labor no other woman had. 1357 01:17:32,889 --> 01:17:34,235 Wouldn't play ball. 1358 01:17:34,270 --> 01:17:37,376 The smart thing to do in the Cultural Revolution was 1359 01:17:37,411 --> 01:17:41,553 if your spouse, or child, 1360 01:17:41,587 --> 01:17:43,969 or parent, or close friend 1361 01:17:44,004 --> 01:17:45,177 was accused 1362 01:17:45,212 --> 01:17:47,801 of being a bad person, 1363 01:17:47,835 --> 01:17:51,943 you made a show of cooperating with the authorities. 1364 01:17:51,977 --> 01:17:53,703 You revealed some things 1365 01:17:53,738 --> 01:17:56,672 that you figured wouldn't really hurt the person, 1366 01:17:56,706 --> 01:17:57,603 but it'd make it look 1367 01:17:57,638 --> 01:17:59,571 like you were trying. 1368 01:18:01,090 --> 01:18:02,954 And she couldn't do that. 1369 01:18:02,988 --> 01:18:05,197 She kept saying and writing, 1370 01:18:05,232 --> 01:18:06,647 "My husband is a good man, 1371 01:18:06,682 --> 01:18:07,752 you're wrong." 1372 01:18:10,271 --> 01:18:12,032 She wrote letters to Zhou Enlai. 1373 01:18:12,066 --> 01:18:14,862 She never told me, but after I came home, 1374 01:18:14,897 --> 01:18:16,139 I opened this old book 1375 01:18:16,174 --> 01:18:18,763 and out floated a copy of a letter 1376 01:18:18,797 --> 01:18:20,626 that she wrote to Zhou Enlai, 1377 01:18:20,661 --> 01:18:22,939 and turned out, there were lots of them. 1378 01:18:22,974 --> 01:18:24,872 "My husband is an American." 1379 01:18:24,907 --> 01:18:26,322 "He is a good man." 1380 01:18:26,356 --> 01:18:28,807 "He's a real friend of China." 1381 01:18:28,842 --> 01:18:30,257 "He's a revolutionary 1382 01:18:30,291 --> 01:18:33,225 and you're making a mistake." 1383 01:18:33,260 --> 01:18:35,434 So for that, she got beaten, 1384 01:18:35,469 --> 01:18:37,436 she got spit on, 1385 01:18:37,471 --> 01:18:39,473 she got parked on a stool 1386 01:18:39,507 --> 01:18:43,270 outside of the women's bathroom, 1387 01:18:43,304 --> 01:18:44,789 so that everybody passing 1388 01:18:44,823 --> 01:18:49,310 would--would spit on her or curse her. 1389 01:18:49,345 --> 01:18:52,900 There was a big poster behind her on the wall saying, 1390 01:18:52,935 --> 01:18:55,592 "This is the unrepentant wife 1391 01:18:55,627 --> 01:18:58,872 of the dog of an imperialist spy." 1392 01:19:04,878 --> 01:19:07,777 One of the interrogation team 1393 01:19:07,812 --> 01:19:10,228 visited us in Beijing 1394 01:19:10,262 --> 01:19:13,472 shortly after I was released. 1395 01:19:13,507 --> 01:19:14,819 And he told us 1396 01:19:14,853 --> 01:19:19,030 that about three months into the interrogation, 1397 01:19:19,064 --> 01:19:21,618 they had sent up a report saying, 1398 01:19:21,653 --> 01:19:24,621 "We think this man is telling the truth." 1399 01:19:24,656 --> 01:19:28,591 And that Jiang Qing had sent word back saying, 1400 01:19:28,625 --> 01:19:32,457 "We know he's guilty, your job is to make him talk." 1401 01:19:33,976 --> 01:19:38,290 ♪ 1402 01:19:38,325 --> 01:19:41,673 On September 9, 1976, 1403 01:19:41,707 --> 01:19:43,744 Mao Zedong died. 1404 01:19:43,779 --> 01:19:47,817 Just days later, The Gang of Four was arrested. 1405 01:19:47,852 --> 01:19:50,820 The Cultural Revolution was officially over, 1406 01:19:50,855 --> 01:19:54,444 but it would be another year before Rittenberg was set free. 1407 01:19:55,618 --> 01:19:56,792 In all, he had spent 1408 01:19:56,826 --> 01:20:01,797 15 years, 11 months and 14 days in Chinese prisons, 1409 01:20:01,831 --> 01:20:04,316 all of it in solitary confinement. 1410 01:20:07,699 --> 01:20:11,945 Sometime in mid-October, early October, 1411 01:20:11,979 --> 01:20:14,292 after the National Day, 1412 01:20:14,326 --> 01:20:20,505 I hear familiar tones coming from the prison cell 1413 01:20:20,539 --> 01:20:23,301 right across the little courtyard from me. 1414 01:20:23,335 --> 01:20:26,269 It was Jiang Qing, 1415 01:20:26,304 --> 01:20:27,546 and I immediately knew 1416 01:20:27,581 --> 01:20:29,617 if she's in, I'm going out. 1417 01:20:30,411 --> 01:20:34,381 November 18, 1977, 1418 01:20:34,415 --> 01:20:36,003 the door to the cell opened. 1419 01:20:36,038 --> 01:20:38,730 They had double padlocks on the cell. 1420 01:20:38,764 --> 01:20:40,663 The door opened on Saturday morning, 1421 01:20:40,697 --> 01:20:42,872 which is very unusual, 1422 01:20:42,907 --> 01:20:45,979 and the keeper came in with a safety razor 1423 01:20:46,013 --> 01:20:47,877 and handed it to me and said, 1424 01:20:47,912 --> 01:20:49,879 "Have a good shave, they're gonna come 1425 01:20:49,914 --> 01:20:53,434 in a couple hours to take you home." 1426 01:20:53,469 --> 01:20:56,265 A shave with no shaving cream, or brush, or anything, 1427 01:20:56,299 --> 01:20:57,783 just a razor. 1428 01:20:57,818 --> 01:21:03,617 So, then began a remarkable procession. 1429 01:21:03,651 --> 01:21:05,688 First, they brought 1430 01:21:05,722 --> 01:21:09,036 a brand new pair of shiny leather shoes. 1431 01:21:09,071 --> 01:21:12,039 Then they brought a silk tie. 1432 01:21:12,074 --> 01:21:15,042 Then they brought a brand new suit. 1433 01:21:15,077 --> 01:21:17,251 Then they brought a silk shirt. 1434 01:21:17,286 --> 01:21:19,909 So I'm transforming myself, 1435 01:21:19,944 --> 01:21:22,049 and the guards at the window, 1436 01:21:22,084 --> 01:21:24,189 his eyes are as big as saucers, 1437 01:21:24,224 --> 01:21:25,570 and he opened the little door and he said, 1438 01:21:25,604 --> 01:21:26,467 "What's going on?" 1439 01:21:26,502 --> 01:21:28,780 And I said, "I'm going home." 1440 01:21:28,814 --> 01:21:31,714 Okay. 1441 01:21:31,748 --> 01:21:33,785 So I went out and Yulin was waiting 1442 01:21:33,819 --> 01:21:35,960 in a little reception room, 1443 01:21:35,994 --> 01:21:38,928 and... 1444 01:21:38,963 --> 01:21:41,724 I went in, some of our old friends were there, 1445 01:21:41,758 --> 01:21:45,797 and I put my arms around her, and she was crying, 1446 01:21:45,831 --> 01:21:48,593 and I patted her on the back and said, 1447 01:21:48,627 --> 01:21:51,561 "It's okay now, it's all over, it's okay, it's okay." 1448 01:21:53,391 --> 01:22:03,435 ♪ 1449 01:22:03,435 --> 01:22:10,891 ♪ 1450 01:22:10,926 --> 01:22:14,895 I was part of a movement 1451 01:22:14,930 --> 01:22:17,898 for human progress, I felt. 1452 01:22:17,933 --> 01:22:21,971 And I wasn't just a me in a prison cell, 1453 01:22:22,006 --> 01:22:24,663 I was part of this world 1454 01:22:24,698 --> 01:22:25,906 of people 1455 01:22:25,941 --> 01:22:29,082 who were struggling and studying and working 1456 01:22:29,116 --> 01:22:33,672 for freedom and happiness, for progress. 1457 01:22:33,707 --> 01:22:37,124 And as long as I was part of that, 1458 01:22:37,159 --> 01:22:38,884 wherever I was, 1459 01:22:38,919 --> 01:22:42,854 I was part of something that was moving forward 1460 01:22:42,888 --> 01:22:45,374 and that would win. 1461 01:22:45,408 --> 01:22:48,342 So I think that's what kept me. 1462 01:22:49,895 --> 01:22:52,553 I never thought of giving up. 1463 01:22:54,728 --> 01:22:57,903 What don't we know about the Cultural Revolution? 1464 01:22:57,938 --> 01:23:01,321 Oh, I think 95 percent we don't know. 1465 01:23:01,355 --> 01:23:03,254 And when I say we don't know, 1466 01:23:03,288 --> 01:23:06,878 this generation of Chinese don't have a clue 1467 01:23:06,912 --> 01:23:09,985 about what happened, not a clue. 1468 01:23:10,019 --> 01:23:11,400 They don't know anything, 1469 01:23:11,434 --> 01:23:15,714 maybe someone in their family told them a story or two, 1470 01:23:15,749 --> 01:23:19,580 but most people don't talk about it. 1471 01:23:19,615 --> 01:23:22,376 Though these young kids-- and if you talk to them 1472 01:23:22,411 --> 01:23:24,723 about the Cultural Revolution they say, 1473 01:23:24,758 --> 01:23:26,415 "How, how could that happen, 1474 01:23:26,449 --> 01:23:29,901 how could people be like that?" 1475 01:23:29,935 --> 01:23:33,456 I think it's an enormously important period 1476 01:23:33,491 --> 01:23:38,565 in human history to study and to draw lessons from. 1477 01:23:38,599 --> 01:23:43,225 How do people behave when there are no holds barred, 1478 01:23:43,259 --> 01:23:45,641 when everything is up for grabs, 1479 01:23:45,675 --> 01:23:48,471 when you can do it any way you want, 1480 01:23:48,506 --> 01:23:50,715 together with anyone you choose, 1481 01:23:50,749 --> 01:23:53,787 how do they behave under those circumstances? 1482 01:23:53,821 --> 01:24:00,380 It's--it's important information for the human race, I think. 1483 01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:09,837 ♪ 1484 01:24:09,872 --> 01:24:13,669 What should we understand about Mao Zedong? 1485 01:24:13,703 --> 01:24:18,881 I think he was a great historic leader 1486 01:24:18,915 --> 01:24:21,746 and a great historic criminal, 1487 01:24:21,780 --> 01:24:23,161 both parts. 1488 01:24:23,196 --> 01:24:26,302 And I think the reason I say criminal is 1489 01:24:26,337 --> 01:24:32,308 that he arrogated to himself the right to conduct 1490 01:24:32,343 --> 01:24:36,105 these enormous social experiments 1491 01:24:36,140 --> 01:24:39,453 that involved upturning the lives 1492 01:24:39,488 --> 01:24:42,007 of hundreds of millions of people, 1493 01:24:42,042 --> 01:24:44,734 when he himself did not know 1494 01:24:44,769 --> 01:24:47,841 what the outcome was gonna be. 1495 01:24:47,875 --> 01:24:51,155 He thought it was okay for him 1496 01:24:51,189 --> 01:24:53,433 to experiment like that. 1497 01:24:53,467 --> 01:24:56,746 And that, I think, was criminal 1498 01:24:56,781 --> 01:24:59,853 because 1499 01:24:59,887 --> 01:25:04,961 it created famines, in which tens of millions died, 1500 01:25:04,996 --> 01:25:08,551 and it created the Cultural Revolution, 1501 01:25:08,586 --> 01:25:12,141 in which nobody knows how many died, 1502 01:25:12,176 --> 01:25:16,766 and it--usually when he took off, 1503 01:25:16,801 --> 01:25:19,079 it ended in disaster, 1504 01:25:19,114 --> 01:25:22,186 but he kept trying. 1505 01:25:22,220 --> 01:25:25,948 Are there things that you look back on with personal regret 1506 01:25:25,982 --> 01:25:27,812 that you're sorry for, or sorry about? 1507 01:25:27,846 --> 01:25:31,471 Mhm, sure. 1508 01:25:34,301 --> 01:25:40,204 Yeah, being involved in struggles against people 1509 01:25:40,238 --> 01:25:42,137 in China. 1510 01:25:42,171 --> 01:25:44,173 With one group against another group, 1511 01:25:44,208 --> 01:25:48,350 or with a party against people who were singled out 1512 01:25:48,384 --> 01:25:50,006 for struggle for criticism, 1513 01:25:50,041 --> 01:25:52,319 that was terribly wrong. 1514 01:25:52,354 --> 01:25:55,771 Wrong--more wrong for me, I think, 1515 01:25:55,805 --> 01:25:59,257 because being an American, 1516 01:25:59,292 --> 01:26:03,192 so an outsider, really. 1517 01:26:03,227 --> 01:26:04,883 What went wrong? 1518 01:26:07,817 --> 01:26:11,304 Two of my closest, longest friends in China 1519 01:26:11,338 --> 01:26:15,066 both described what went wrong in exactly the same words. 1520 01:26:15,100 --> 01:26:17,206 After it was all over, 1521 01:26:17,241 --> 01:26:18,311 they said to me, 1522 01:26:18,345 --> 01:26:21,659 "You forgot you were a foreigner." 1523 01:26:21,693 --> 01:26:25,973 I think in a word that's part of what went wrong anyway. 1524 01:26:26,008 --> 01:26:29,080 More seriously, more basically what went wrong 1525 01:26:29,114 --> 01:26:35,949 was that I was in total delusion as to what was possible 1526 01:26:35,983 --> 01:26:39,055 and what was really happening in China. 1527 01:26:40,850 --> 01:26:44,785 After I got out of prison, and I was able to see 1528 01:26:44,820 --> 01:26:49,928 that the problems in the system were systemic problems, 1529 01:26:49,963 --> 01:26:53,000 not problems of good man and bad man, 1530 01:26:53,035 --> 01:26:55,071 and that some of the basic tenets 1531 01:26:55,106 --> 01:27:00,732 of what was called Marxism-Leninism were wrong, 1532 01:27:00,767 --> 01:27:04,046 then I restored my ability to criticize 1533 01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:06,255 my own basic premises, 1534 01:27:06,290 --> 01:27:08,430 and I felt like a free man. 1535 01:27:15,540 --> 01:27:18,440 If you put one drop 1536 01:27:18,474 --> 01:27:22,133 into the long river of human history, 1537 01:27:22,167 --> 01:27:24,100 that's immortal, 1538 01:27:24,135 --> 01:27:26,448 that goes on wave after wave, 1539 01:27:26,482 --> 01:27:27,897 drop after drop, 1540 01:27:27,932 --> 01:27:30,762 long after you know it or don't know it. 1541 01:27:30,797 --> 01:27:33,731 It has nothing to do with whether you're aware of it. 1542 01:27:33,765 --> 01:27:36,768 Your contribution is your immortality, 1543 01:27:36,803 --> 01:27:38,839 that's something that lasts. 1544 01:27:38,874 --> 01:27:41,601 So you either make a difference, 1545 01:27:41,635 --> 01:27:42,947 or you don't make a difference, 1546 01:27:42,981 --> 01:27:45,674 in which case, you're just a piece of mud, 1547 01:27:45,708 --> 01:27:49,194 just swept away and doesn't matter, 1548 01:27:49,229 --> 01:27:50,437 but you can matter. 1549 01:27:53,613 --> 01:27:55,580 Sidney Rittenberg making history. 1550 01:27:55,615 --> 01:27:56,616 Yeah. 1551 01:28:01,137 --> 01:28:03,864 History rolled right over my body. 1552 01:28:11,734 --> 01:28:16,843 I really think that if I had gone to China 1553 01:28:16,877 --> 01:28:20,847 and just worked in English, 1554 01:28:20,881 --> 01:28:24,402 polishing and teaching and writing and whatever, 1555 01:28:24,437 --> 01:28:27,854 and not had any part of politics, 1556 01:28:27,888 --> 01:28:30,581 and not joined the Party, 1557 01:28:30,615 --> 01:28:36,241 I would have been able to make more of a contribution, 1558 01:28:36,276 --> 01:28:39,141 and do less damage. 1559 01:28:39,175 --> 01:28:43,525 I think that's undoubtedly true. 1560 01:28:49,910 --> 01:28:51,187 But that's not what I wanted. 1561 01:28:51,222 --> 01:28:55,019 I wanted to be in the Party. 1562 01:28:55,053 --> 01:28:57,642 I wanted to be a revolutionary. 1563 01:29:05,926 --> 01:29:13,071 ♪ 1564 01:29:13,106 --> 01:29:15,557 Shortly after he was released from prison, 1565 01:29:15,591 --> 01:29:18,870 Rittenberg went to the American Embassy in Beijing 1566 01:29:18,905 --> 01:29:21,977 and explained that he had lost his passport. 1567 01:29:22,011 --> 01:29:23,875 He was given a new one. 1568 01:29:23,910 --> 01:29:25,601 With Yulin and the children, 1569 01:29:25,636 --> 01:29:28,673 he moved back to the United States in 1980. 1570 01:29:28,708 --> 01:29:32,125 ♪ 1571 01:29:32,159 --> 01:29:35,197 They had left almost everything behind in China, 1572 01:29:35,231 --> 01:29:38,269 and had to start over again in America. 1573 01:29:38,303 --> 01:29:40,582 Yulin as a cooking instructor, 1574 01:29:40,616 --> 01:29:43,964 Sidney teaching adult education classes. 1575 01:29:46,726 --> 01:29:49,625 Then their lives took one more dramatic turn, 1576 01:29:49,660 --> 01:29:53,457 and put Sidney back on the road that had taken him to Yan'an, 1577 01:29:53,491 --> 01:29:56,391 and into the heart of the Chinese Revolution. 1578 01:29:58,669 --> 01:30:01,568 In a new era of US-China relations, 1579 01:30:01,603 --> 01:30:03,328 he found a new role, 1580 01:30:03,363 --> 01:30:07,436 now as a valued resource in the US-China dialogue. 1581 01:30:07,471 --> 01:30:11,267 And with Yulin as a consultant to American companies 1582 01:30:11,302 --> 01:30:14,201 now engaged in the new global economy. 1583 01:30:16,652 --> 01:30:19,103 Sidney Rittenberg was back at work, 1584 01:30:19,137 --> 01:30:23,452 building his bridge between America and China. 1585 01:30:23,487 --> 01:30:29,596 ♪ 1586 01:30:31,633 --> 01:30:36,776 ♪ 1587 01:30:36,776 --> 01:30:41,643 ♪ 114068

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