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[film projector flickering]
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[chatter in Spanish]
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If it grabs me
then we'll get it.
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That's, uh, that's the
name of the game.
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I don't have any
hard, fast rules.
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I just kind of...
I just kind of look, you know.
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Obviously, I'm gonna be
looking for some- some trash.
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Some cheese.
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We're lookin' for Chuck.
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We're lookin' for
Charles Bronson.
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We're lookin' for
Dolph Lundgren.
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That kind of thing.
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Action.
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I've seen a lot of...
door handles.
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They got, uh... doorknobs.
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And, uh... lotion.
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I- I never expected to see
a whole table full of...
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lotions and... shave gel.
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We've got socks here.
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All the socks
you could possibly want.
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Still waiting on some tapes.
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Still hoping
for some tapes here.
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Doll heads... doll heads.
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It's the same old stuff.
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I'm surprised to not
already have seen Titanic.
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That's, like, the most...
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most common tape I see.
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The two disc.. er...
two tape Titanic... um...
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Oh, what do you know?
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It's the- the
two tape Titanic.
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I'm gonna have to
go with Shakedown.
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We're gonna have action.
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You can see it right here.
There's explosions.
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And there's Peter Weller.
What else do you need?
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A dollar.
- A dollar?
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[no sound]
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Awwwww.
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We've got five for two.
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Got some kids clamshells.
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But we also got some other ones
we're gonna go through.
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[laughs] No, definitely not.
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Clarissa... can't explain that.
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The Adventures
of Timmy the Tooth
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is something very creepy
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that I have
personal nostalgia for.
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It's been a long time.
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Thank you.
- Thank you.
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Something about dental movies,
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animated things that they make
for- about, uh- dental hygiene,
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always seem to be really creepy.
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Frank Gorshin is in this movie.
What?
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Frank Gorshin was, of course,
The Riddler,
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on the original Batman.
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So, I hate to say it, but...
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We're gonna have to buy
Game Day,
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starring Richard Lewis.
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Uh, the Gorsh factor just hit.
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It just sunk in.
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[chatter in Spanish]
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[Latin music in the background]
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Titanic. Two tape
Titanic set, again. Always.
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You know you're gonna
have to rewind it.
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Why not just go ahead
and buy a rewinder?
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[lo-fi 80's style synth music]
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And there was this thing
in the corner,
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next to the TV, that...
my parents said,
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"It's for playing
and recording movies".
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I saw this thing and I thought,
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"Well, How does it work?
This sounds like heaven".
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VHS tapes were so widespread,
and they were so common,
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and so prevalent... that...
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I think for most people...
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they were just sort of part of
the everyday, you know,
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background of your life,
growing up.
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Or, if you were an adult
during that time frame,
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they're just something
that you had.
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It wasn't until a little,
you know,
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maybe by '84 or 5,
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where everybody and
their mother had the machine.
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Because we'd had
just enough Christmases
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to get the machines
in everybody's home.
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Videocassette got me, you know,
hooked on movies.
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I loved going to movies
as a kid,
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but the VHS tapes,
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bringing those movies home,
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I could watch them
any time I wanted.
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Getting us all together to go
to the theater was a big deal,
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and it didn't happen very often.
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We had to get everybody
in the car,
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we had to get there, pay,
get popcorn, all that.
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So, home video was the standard
for me.
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They opened,
in our neighborhood,
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this, uh, video store.
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And it was called Pop N' Go.
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And my mom is from Mexico,
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and she would call it
"Po-Ping-O".
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[laughs] So she would alway say,
"Oh, Let's go to Po-Ping-O."
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And the popcorn was so good.
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I remember going,
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and the giant, like,
cardboard cut-outs
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of, like, movies coming soon.
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And that's the first time
I ever saw The Toxic Avenger ,
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in the giant cut-out.
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And I was a little kid,
and I was like,
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"I've gotta watch this."
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Back then it was huge.
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It was like
the Friday night thing to do.
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And it was, you know, I mean,
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you really
took your time thinking
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'cause you- it was $29 to join.
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You know, so it wasn't
free to join.
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So I'd spend my Saturdays,
get on my little bicycle,
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my Ninja Turtles bicycle,
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and go from one store
to the next,
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like, looking for this title.
Whatever it might be.
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And I remember specifically,
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I really wanted to see
Basket Case.
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And none of the video stores
had it.
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And so, for like, months,
I would go to every one,
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and be like, "Did you's guys
get Basket Case yet?
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I wanna see Basket Case."
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I saw Apocalypse Now is out,
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and I went "Oh, I need that."
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And then I saw
Blood Feast was out.
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And I went, "Oh my God,
I need that."
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And I saw Beyond the Valley
of the Dolls was out.
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"Oh my God, I need that."
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So, I bought my first Betamax,
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you know, with the top loader,
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with the big piano keys,
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and the remote
was attached to a wire.
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[laughs] You know, so it
really wasn't even a remote.
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[speaking Japanese]
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Well, video took cinema
out of the movie theater.
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So, you know,
it takes a lot of money
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to build a movie theater.
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It takes a lot of seats.
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You put the seats in,
you have to get all the people
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to sit in the seats
to make it profitable.
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And so I think, If you-
If you say worldwide,
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yeah, I think it was
kind of like a democratization.
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It was a form of wider exposure.
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It's Friday night,
you're with your friends,
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you're having a sleepover,
you're at the video store.
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You wanna
make each other laugh
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by finding
the dumbest thing possible.
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I think that was a huge, huge
part of it, really.
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Sitting around
with your friends, laughing,
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eating pizza...
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What is better than that?
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It was a very special time,
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where you could,
all of a sudden,
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be introduced to all of
this stuff that never...
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never would have been available.
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Never would have shown on TV.
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Um, never would have been
in your movie theater.
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Certainly in a place
like Nottingham,
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where I was from,
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which is kind of a small city
in England.
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I grew up on 42nd Street.
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So I had access to movies...
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the average person
normally wouldn't have, unless,
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I guess, you lived next door
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to a drive-in or something.
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So I loved the fact that
I was seeing crap
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that no one had even heard of.
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What surprised me was
how much of that crap
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came out on VHS.
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[synth music]
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I'm very proud to say
that I have 82 movies
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that start with "dead",
"death" and "deadly".
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82. So, I've really made it.
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I'm really a great
success in life.
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Above you can see that I have
my big boxes,
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my oversize clamshells.
Things like that.
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Um... I have things
alphabetical,
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to keep things simple.
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The way I've done it, is color.
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Because to me it looks the most
aesthetically pleasing.
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I just tried doing it
in a Roy G Biv kind of way.
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And just came all the way down
to black and white.
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I also do my books that way.
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And for me it's a system
that totally works.
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You can ask me any video
and I can be like,
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"Okay, that one's green."
and pick it out.
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And it's really easy for me,
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and I think it looks
really nice.
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This is one of my
all time favorites, though.
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Corey Haim: Me, Myself and I.
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So good.
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I know Corey passed, ya know.
And I love Corey.
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I'm not really even
making fun of him,
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but this is
the awesomest thing ever.
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The direction in my life
right now
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that I'm trying to, uh...
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I guess proceed with, um...
in the business, is...
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gradually, um,
from being the little boy,
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from a younger,
you know, brother,
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trying to get to be
the older brother,
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or the only brother.
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[80's pop music]
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I don't know if this is
the pride of my collection.
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This is the tape that I've
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gotten the most fun
out of recently.
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It's called
Bubba Until it Hurts.
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[laughs] "It's for
men and women...
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It's not just
another pretty workout."
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3, and 4, and 5, and 6, and...
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"Unlike many exercise programs,
Bubba Until it Hurts
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utilizes a minimum of jumping."
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"The lack of jumping
up and down
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makes this program ideal
for apartment house dwellers."
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It's just like, why would you
put that on your VHS?
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Like why would that ever be
a marketing point?
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And at the end he goes,
he's like
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"Now that you've met my friends,
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let's get to work...
I love you."
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He says "I love you."
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"I love you,
now let's get to work."
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It is like, "Whoa, Bubba Smith,
not until it hurts, please."
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In order to get to it,
You've got to go through it.
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I love you and welcome to
Until it Hurts.
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We have my favorite movie here,
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I have Heavenly Bodies.
Three copies of it.
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If you love aerobics,
if you love Canadian features,
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this is exactly where
you need to go.
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Rolling Vengeance, see,
it's coming right at ya there.
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It's even got a drill
right in front,
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because it's fuckin' badass.
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[engine roaring]
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This is one of my
prized possessions.
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The Leslie Nielsen
Bad Golf Made Easier,
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signed by Leslie Nielsen.
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I don't know if you can get in
on the gold signature
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of the man himself.
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Stand directly
in your opponent's line,
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and lean imperceptibly
to one side or another
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as he tries to read the break.
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This is a movie called
Death Rider.
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This is a shot-on-video western.
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And it is really one of the most
impossibly...
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hypnotically awkward things
that you will ever see.
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I thought
you were dead, Clayton.
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No, that's my brother you're
talkin' about.
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And it's kind of
a passion project
252
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by this guy Ronald Koontz,
253
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who is the lead actor, writer,
director, editor, cameraman,
254
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and he 'proudced' the film.
255
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Probably my favorite 'proudcer'
is Ronald Koontz.
256
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Now I'm getting into
all the ones that I gasp about.
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The Windows 95 Easy Instruction
Video Guide,
258
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featuring Matthew Perry
and Jennifer Aniston
259
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in character.
260
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Because this was
right when Friends started.
261
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So it's all this, like,
262
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"Oh really? You click
on the start window?"
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That is pathetic.
264
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[80's style synth
horror movie music]
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*
266
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When I first started,
I was like,
267
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"Oh man, dude,
I have 80 movies."
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It was just, like,
phenomenal to me
269
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that I could, like,
pick through 80 movies.
270
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But then I got to 500 and...
271
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pretty soon I go to 1,000.
272
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Zombies, occult, supernatural,
slasher movies.
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I got a slasher closet
over there.
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If there's at least three movies
that I can categorize together,
275
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I'm like, "Okay, that can be
a sub-genre.
276
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So I have one right now,
it's got four movies
277
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and it's about homeless horror.
278
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Get a job, loser,
you shit your fuckin' pants.
279
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So, that's
a little sub-genre I have.
280
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I've learned a lot about
culture in general,
281
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just by doing all these
little sub-sections.
282
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There's a lot of things
you have to search out.
283
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A lot of things
you have to look for,
284
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not even knowing
what you're looking for.
285
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And you might find
something that
286
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you never knew was out there.
287
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*
288
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The video revolution
began in Japan in the mid-70's,
289
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early to mid-70's,
290
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when the engineers at Sony
began to develop a tape format.
291
00:14:03,843 --> 00:14:07,247
And at the same time,
the engineers at JVC,
292
00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:08,715
they developed their own.
293
00:14:08,748 --> 00:14:11,184
Back then, you know,
everything was Betamax/VHS.
294
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And so, you went to a store,
there was always both formats.
295
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Ridiculously,
they used to charge
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$3 more for a VHS tape,
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00:14:19,226 --> 00:14:20,760
because you were
buying more plastic.
298
00:14:20,793 --> 00:14:23,897
Really nothing happened
in any numbers until '79,
299
00:14:23,931 --> 00:14:25,732
when it began to explode.
300
00:14:25,765 --> 00:14:29,602
Both formats were originally
head-to-head,
301
00:14:29,636 --> 00:14:31,704
fighting for the supremacy.
302
00:14:31,738 --> 00:14:33,006
And it was sort of thought
that maybe
303
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both could exist together.
304
00:14:35,442 --> 00:14:36,843
Which proved not to be the case.
305
00:14:36,876 --> 00:14:41,214
I, of course, bought Beta.
[laughs]
306
00:14:41,248 --> 00:14:44,851
So, you know, wasted
all these zillions of videos,
307
00:14:44,884 --> 00:14:48,321
that I bought
in the Beta format.
308
00:14:48,355 --> 00:14:52,592
And, of course, Beta went
bye-bye very soon after.
309
00:14:52,625 --> 00:14:54,995
If you're looking at
videocassette recorders,
310
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and you're confused
by all your choices
311
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just look at the most
important feature of all,
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The picture.
313
00:15:02,102 --> 00:15:05,872
And Sony Betamax records
a sharper picture than VHS.
314
00:15:05,905 --> 00:15:08,841
Beta was technically superior,
315
00:15:08,875 --> 00:15:10,877
but, it had one huge flaw,
316
00:15:10,910 --> 00:15:12,879
which was that it was
only one hour long.
317
00:15:12,912 --> 00:15:14,847
VHS format was two hours long.
318
00:15:14,881 --> 00:15:17,917
VHS videocassettes play longer,
which can save you money.
319
00:15:17,951 --> 00:15:19,652
Big deal.
320
00:15:19,686 --> 00:15:22,522
One of my closest friends is
Robert A. Harris,
321
00:15:22,555 --> 00:15:24,091
the restorationist.
322
00:15:24,124 --> 00:15:27,627
And he was always talking
about the latest technologies.
323
00:15:27,660 --> 00:15:30,230
He was keeping me alerted
about the war
324
00:15:30,263 --> 00:15:32,265
between Beta and VHS,
325
00:15:32,299 --> 00:15:36,269
and how the cheaper one
was gonna win,
326
00:15:36,303 --> 00:15:38,805
because the public
just doesn't give a shit.
327
00:15:38,838 --> 00:15:40,673
He was correct.
328
00:15:40,707 --> 00:15:43,443
When I rented
The Last Unicorn on Beta,
329
00:15:43,476 --> 00:15:46,413
and stuck it in my grandmother's
VHS player.
330
00:15:46,446 --> 00:15:47,747
That was not good.
331
00:15:47,780 --> 00:15:49,249
That's when I
understood the difference
332
00:15:49,282 --> 00:15:51,384
between VHS and Beta.
333
00:15:51,418 --> 00:15:52,719
And knew I didn't like Beta,
334
00:15:52,752 --> 00:15:54,721
'cause I didn't get to watch
The Last Unicorn that night.
335
00:15:54,754 --> 00:15:57,490
For any TV show, like, whatever,
336
00:15:57,524 --> 00:15:59,526
any new show
that's out right now,
337
00:15:59,559 --> 00:16:01,894
of course their goal is
"Well this is gonna be on DVD,
338
00:16:01,928 --> 00:16:02,962
it's gonna be on Hulu,
339
00:16:02,996 --> 00:16:04,264
it's gonna be watched
forever and ever."
340
00:16:04,297 --> 00:16:06,933
But back then,
they didn't really realize that.
341
00:16:06,966 --> 00:16:08,201
[speaking Japanese]
342
00:16:24,951 --> 00:16:27,120
Oh, and you've missed
your football on TV.
343
00:16:27,154 --> 00:16:28,288
Anything for you, Mom.
344
00:16:28,321 --> 00:16:31,891
Oh, you are a good boy.
- Bye!
345
00:16:31,924 --> 00:16:34,394
When you have a
Phillips television recorder,
346
00:16:34,427 --> 00:16:36,196
you don't have
to miss anything.
347
00:16:36,229 --> 00:16:37,764
The Phillips
television recorder
348
00:16:37,797 --> 00:16:39,766
records TV when
you can't watch.
349
00:16:42,535 --> 00:16:45,405
So you can
replay anytime.
350
00:16:45,438 --> 00:16:46,239
[bell rings]
351
00:16:46,273 --> 00:16:47,340
Who the--
352
00:16:47,374 --> 00:16:48,941
The Phillips
television recorder.
353
00:16:48,975 --> 00:16:49,976
Mums.
354
00:16:50,009 --> 00:16:51,378
I don't think any
member of the audience
355
00:16:51,411 --> 00:16:52,412
actually said,
356
00:16:52,445 --> 00:16:55,482
"Gee, I need a machine
357
00:16:55,515 --> 00:16:57,650
that will help me
control my schedule."
358
00:16:57,684 --> 00:17:00,019
But once the machine was made,
359
00:17:00,053 --> 00:17:02,322
then they came up with
concept of time-shifting,
360
00:17:02,355 --> 00:17:05,192
and that was a concept
that really worked.
361
00:17:05,225 --> 00:17:09,396
That you could actually
shift the TV schedule around.
362
00:17:09,429 --> 00:17:11,431
They've made it
so simple to use,
363
00:17:11,464 --> 00:17:12,832
the cat can operate it.
364
00:17:12,865 --> 00:17:14,767
Kittles, I want you to record
365
00:17:14,801 --> 00:17:16,769
an ITV program at 10:30.
366
00:17:21,674 --> 00:17:24,644
Sony C6. So simple,
the cat can use it.
367
00:17:24,677 --> 00:17:28,781
The TiVo age only exists,
because we were raised with VHS.
368
00:17:28,815 --> 00:17:31,684
Because we were
the first generation that could
369
00:17:31,718 --> 00:17:33,753
be sent to bed with a promise,
370
00:17:33,786 --> 00:17:36,089
"It'll be here tomorrow
when you get up."
371
00:17:36,123 --> 00:17:38,691
That changed our relationship
with television.
372
00:17:38,725 --> 00:17:44,597
I discovered that, uh...
I could program the VCR.
373
00:17:44,631 --> 00:17:48,201
That was, like, a big day...
You know for me,
374
00:17:48,235 --> 00:17:49,336
Like, as a nine year-old
375
00:17:49,369 --> 00:17:51,571
to get around the
parental controls
376
00:17:51,604 --> 00:17:53,706
and tape R-rated things.
377
00:17:53,740 --> 00:17:56,176
You can watch your TV shows
when you wanna watch it.
378
00:17:56,209 --> 00:17:58,578
That's the advertising campaign
379
00:17:58,611 --> 00:18:02,182
that really pushed Betamax
to the top of the heap,
380
00:18:02,215 --> 00:18:04,251
and was a big success
for two years,
381
00:18:04,284 --> 00:18:06,386
until VHS caught up with them.
382
00:18:06,419 --> 00:18:09,689
With an even better
reason to buy it,
383
00:18:09,722 --> 00:18:11,791
because they could
record longer.
384
00:18:11,824 --> 00:18:13,160
Suppose it's over three hours.
385
00:18:13,193 --> 00:18:16,763
Relax, Panasonic VHS tapes
up to four hours
386
00:18:16,796 --> 00:18:19,866
of sports, movies, specials,
on one cassette.
387
00:18:19,899 --> 00:18:22,101
VHS used that
to actually win out
388
00:18:22,135 --> 00:18:24,137
in the format war with Sony.
389
00:18:24,171 --> 00:18:26,105
At a certain moment in time,
people were like,
390
00:18:26,139 --> 00:18:30,243
"I don't like that you can
share this thing with people.
391
00:18:30,277 --> 00:18:33,846
I wanna control
the mechanism of distribution."
392
00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,015
You know, "Only programmed
on television",
393
00:18:36,048 --> 00:18:37,083
right, you know.
394
00:18:37,116 --> 00:18:39,018
"Only available
in movie theaters."
395
00:18:39,051 --> 00:18:41,754
So when the VHS tape comes out,
396
00:18:41,788 --> 00:18:44,824
for a ton of the people involved
on the manufacturing side,
397
00:18:44,857 --> 00:18:46,092
it's a watershed.
398
00:18:46,125 --> 00:18:48,561
But there's people
in content and distribution,
399
00:18:48,595 --> 00:18:51,398
before everyone has decks
and they can monetize it,
400
00:18:51,431 --> 00:18:53,600
they're like, "I don't know
if this is a good thing or not."
401
00:18:53,633 --> 00:18:56,903
So this whole notion
of selling something,
402
00:18:56,936 --> 00:18:59,939
where you lost control entirely,
was a new notion.
403
00:18:59,972 --> 00:19:03,743
And it made major movie studios
very, very nervous.
404
00:19:03,776 --> 00:19:05,812
Box office kept increasing,
405
00:19:05,845 --> 00:19:08,415
so it's not like
people are staying home
406
00:19:08,448 --> 00:19:10,550
and avoiding the movie theater.
407
00:19:10,583 --> 00:19:11,884
It's a new bunch of people
408
00:19:11,918 --> 00:19:14,954
putting new money
into home video.
409
00:19:14,987 --> 00:19:16,289
And that's what's really driving
410
00:19:16,323 --> 00:19:18,658
this incredible explosion
411
00:19:18,691 --> 00:19:21,060
of the film industry
in the 1980's.
412
00:19:21,093 --> 00:19:24,197
The guy who financed
Brain Damage for me
413
00:19:24,231 --> 00:19:25,798
was a man named Andre Blay,
414
00:19:25,832 --> 00:19:27,800
and he's credited
with starting this.
415
00:19:27,834 --> 00:19:30,903
He had a company in Michigan
called Magnetic Video,
416
00:19:30,937 --> 00:19:33,373
that was dealing mainly
with 3/4 inch tapes
417
00:19:33,406 --> 00:19:35,041
for industrial use.
418
00:19:35,074 --> 00:19:36,843
And he got the idea one day,
419
00:19:36,876 --> 00:19:39,512
"Wow, I wonder if I
could put Hollywood movies
420
00:19:39,546 --> 00:19:40,980
on half inch."
421
00:19:41,013 --> 00:19:43,450
When I made the decision
to buy movie rights,
422
00:19:43,483 --> 00:19:46,453
I said, "Well, I gotta go
to all the Hollywood studios."
423
00:19:46,486 --> 00:19:49,489
And I wrote them a letter
424
00:19:49,522 --> 00:19:51,123
saying that the
home video revolution
425
00:19:51,157 --> 00:19:52,625
is about to begin.
426
00:19:52,659 --> 00:19:56,028
And I could help start
this new industry.
427
00:19:56,062 --> 00:19:58,931
So he writes a letter
to all the major studios
428
00:19:58,965 --> 00:20:01,601
about, you know,
"C'mon, give me a film,
429
00:20:01,634 --> 00:20:03,570
I'll put it on tape,
and we'll see what happens."
430
00:20:03,603 --> 00:20:04,704
And no studio was interested.
431
00:20:04,737 --> 00:20:05,938
They thought it was
a crazy idea,
432
00:20:05,972 --> 00:20:07,374
they thought it was
a stupid idea,
433
00:20:07,407 --> 00:20:09,041
They thought it would
devalue the films...
434
00:20:09,075 --> 00:20:12,712
But Fox said, "Eh, fine,
let this guy do it.
435
00:20:12,745 --> 00:20:15,382
If he fails, he fails.
You know, who cares?
436
00:20:15,415 --> 00:20:16,583
We'll get some money out of it."
437
00:20:16,616 --> 00:20:19,952
This is pre- Star Wars,
so 20th Century Fox
438
00:20:19,986 --> 00:20:22,289
is probably a company
that's not doing that well.
439
00:20:22,322 --> 00:20:24,023
In any case,
they hedged their bet.
440
00:20:24,056 --> 00:20:26,959
They gave him films that were
at least four years old.
441
00:20:26,993 --> 00:20:28,761
The Sound of Music,
and, you know,
442
00:20:28,795 --> 00:20:30,463
Patton, and all that stuff.
443
00:20:30,497 --> 00:20:32,699
And, uh, they sold for
an exorbitant rate.
444
00:20:32,732 --> 00:20:34,334
They were like, 89, 99 dollars.
445
00:20:34,367 --> 00:20:35,735
[screaming]
446
00:20:35,768 --> 00:20:38,771
[maniacal laughter]
447
00:20:39,939 --> 00:20:41,341
The only world we recognized
448
00:20:41,374 --> 00:20:43,142
was getting our films
in the theaters.
449
00:20:43,175 --> 00:20:45,345
Charlie Band was the
only one in our circle
450
00:20:45,378 --> 00:20:47,514
that was thinking about
the home video market.
451
00:20:47,547 --> 00:20:48,648
So what I did was I thought,
452
00:20:48,681 --> 00:20:51,384
"Well, let me go
find or license the rights
453
00:20:51,418 --> 00:20:54,754
to other successful
independent films.
454
00:20:54,787 --> 00:20:56,389
Even my lawyer had no real idea
455
00:20:56,423 --> 00:20:57,957
of how to write the document,
456
00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:59,792
'cause no documents
had been written prior
457
00:20:59,826 --> 00:21:01,628
to license these video rights.
458
00:21:01,661 --> 00:21:04,130
You know, what is the territory,
what is the price? No idea.
459
00:21:04,163 --> 00:21:06,999
It was a pioneering time
because nothing existed.
460
00:21:07,033 --> 00:21:08,868
Next step, let's not sell them
461
00:21:08,901 --> 00:21:10,102
the pre-recorded tapes,
462
00:21:10,136 --> 00:21:11,371
let's actually rent it to them.
463
00:21:11,404 --> 00:21:13,940
Andre never anticipated
the rental market.
464
00:21:13,973 --> 00:21:16,108
And he said he remembers
the day he got a phone call
465
00:21:16,142 --> 00:21:17,910
from a store saying,
"Hey, can I rent this?"
466
00:21:17,944 --> 00:21:21,348
And he went, "... No!"
[laughs]
467
00:21:21,381 --> 00:21:23,850
And the store says,
"Well my lawyer said I can."
468
00:21:23,883 --> 00:21:27,053
And it was like, "Oh, no."
You know, so, that started it.
469
00:21:27,086 --> 00:21:28,888
And, uh, the punch line
470
00:21:28,921 --> 00:21:31,991
to Andre's story
was eventually...
471
00:21:32,024 --> 00:21:34,361
all the studios saw how
lucrative the market was.
472
00:21:34,394 --> 00:21:35,862
They all came out
with their own,
473
00:21:35,895 --> 00:21:37,330
you know, label.
474
00:21:37,364 --> 00:21:39,466
Except for Fox, of course.
475
00:21:39,499 --> 00:21:42,369
So, Fox had to buy Andre out.
476
00:21:42,402 --> 00:21:45,538
They had to buy- So he-
[laughs]
477
00:21:45,572 --> 00:21:49,175
Whatever he bought it for, boy,
he quadrupled that, okay?
478
00:21:49,208 --> 00:21:52,144
The video at that point
was kind of taking over
479
00:21:52,178 --> 00:21:53,746
for the drive-in circuit.
480
00:21:53,780 --> 00:21:54,947
Video was the new market
481
00:21:54,981 --> 00:21:57,417
for the kids to rent
the horror films,
482
00:21:57,450 --> 00:22:00,019
and the films they wouldn't see
at the mainstream theater.
483
00:22:00,052 --> 00:22:01,788
Well, I definitely
don't think that
484
00:22:01,821 --> 00:22:05,592
my career would have gone
where it had, without video.
485
00:22:05,625 --> 00:22:07,827
My movie was released in
all kinds of foreign countries
486
00:22:07,860 --> 00:22:08,861
on video.
487
00:22:08,895 --> 00:22:10,797
If it wasn't for video, for me,
488
00:22:10,830 --> 00:22:15,868
I know my popularity would be
much, much smaller than it is.
489
00:22:15,902 --> 00:22:17,637
When videocassettes
first came in,
490
00:22:17,670 --> 00:22:19,472
we jumped in, we loved it.
491
00:22:19,506 --> 00:22:22,141
We thought it was great.
And, in fact, it was great.
492
00:22:22,174 --> 00:22:24,043
And there were
mom and pop shops,
493
00:22:24,076 --> 00:22:25,645
there were video stores
494
00:22:25,678 --> 00:22:28,415
opening up all over the country,
all over the world...
495
00:22:28,448 --> 00:22:29,982
that needed movies.
496
00:22:30,016 --> 00:22:35,187
In the early days, the appetite
for video was so pervasive,
497
00:22:35,221 --> 00:22:38,791
people could pick
the wrong location,
498
00:22:38,825 --> 00:22:42,194
they could pick
the wrong videocassette titles,
499
00:22:42,228 --> 00:22:44,397
they could hire surly staff,
500
00:22:44,431 --> 00:22:48,267
they could have terrible hours,
and horrible policies,
501
00:22:48,300 --> 00:22:51,070
and people were still
gravitating to these stores.
502
00:22:51,103 --> 00:22:53,372
It was just-
there was such a hunger for it.
503
00:22:53,406 --> 00:22:54,674
[speaking Japanese]
504
00:23:37,784 --> 00:23:41,120
So the idea of having movies
that were at your disposal
505
00:23:41,153 --> 00:23:44,824
when you wanted them was...
kind of remarkable.
506
00:23:44,857 --> 00:23:47,393
And there was no talk of
picture quality or aspect ratio,
507
00:23:47,426 --> 00:23:49,228
or any of that.
It was just availability.
508
00:23:49,261 --> 00:23:50,663
So you had to kind of be aware
509
00:23:50,697 --> 00:23:53,566
that as much as you wanna use
that frame right to the edge,
510
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,167
you wouldn't. You'd kind of...
511
00:23:55,201 --> 00:23:57,269
give yourself a little
cheat on either side,
512
00:23:57,303 --> 00:23:59,739
'cause you knew that
when it went to video,
513
00:23:59,772 --> 00:24:01,373
the edges would be cut off.
514
00:24:01,407 --> 00:24:03,042
I looked at a few of them,
515
00:24:03,075 --> 00:24:07,614
I was appalled at the
improper aspect ratios.
516
00:24:07,647 --> 00:24:10,082
And the lack of rich contrasts
517
00:24:10,116 --> 00:24:12,519
and resolution, and, uh...
518
00:24:12,552 --> 00:24:14,420
never did buy one.
519
00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:16,589
And predicted
they wouldn't catch on.
520
00:24:16,623 --> 00:24:18,424
Original aspect ratio
never caught on
521
00:24:18,457 --> 00:24:21,528
'cause people thought
they were being gypped.
522
00:24:21,561 --> 00:24:25,665
"I've got black bars on the
top and bottom of my picture!"
523
00:24:25,698 --> 00:24:27,600
Yeah! That's so
you see the sides!
524
00:24:27,634 --> 00:24:29,401
They ne- it never sunk in!
525
00:24:29,435 --> 00:24:32,204
Now I know people that
have the widescreen TV's,
526
00:24:32,238 --> 00:24:35,341
so if they watch Casablanca,
they zoom in on it
527
00:24:35,374 --> 00:24:36,576
to fill up the picture!
528
00:24:36,609 --> 00:24:38,578
I don't get it, I don't get it.
I don't get it.
529
00:24:38,611 --> 00:24:40,880
Sometimes it looks better
than the widescreen.
530
00:24:40,913 --> 00:24:43,816
If you get the VHS of
Pat Garrett & Billy The Kid,
531
00:24:43,850 --> 00:24:45,518
it's horribly pan and scanned
532
00:24:45,552 --> 00:24:47,754
and, like, they
zoom in at times.
533
00:24:47,787 --> 00:24:49,856
But it's got this
interesting aesthetic to it,
534
00:24:49,889 --> 00:24:51,758
which I like
and actually prefer that.
535
00:24:51,791 --> 00:24:54,160
You can't make that
camera movement with a camera,
536
00:24:54,193 --> 00:24:55,427
like, it only exists in
537
00:24:55,461 --> 00:24:57,496
however they used
to make the pan and scan.
538
00:24:57,530 --> 00:24:59,165
So when you saw stuff like that,
you just thought, like,
539
00:24:59,198 --> 00:25:00,733
"That was a weird
camera movement."
540
00:25:00,767 --> 00:25:02,068
I don't know,
I- I enjoy pan and scan.
541
00:25:02,101 --> 00:25:03,335
It doesn't bother me.
542
00:25:03,369 --> 00:25:06,138
I don't like it when it's
completely cropped...
543
00:25:06,172 --> 00:25:07,774
Like, where they just
cut it off.
544
00:25:07,807 --> 00:25:09,241
Where they just
don't give a shit.
545
00:25:09,275 --> 00:25:10,543
They just cut
the left and right off,
546
00:25:10,577 --> 00:25:11,911
and then stuff is missing.
547
00:25:11,944 --> 00:25:13,680
Or when they smoosh it,
I don't like that.
548
00:25:13,713 --> 00:25:16,549
But I like that weird... the-
the weird ones
549
00:25:16,583 --> 00:25:18,751
where it moves back and forth.
I think that's pretty good.
550
00:25:21,220 --> 00:25:23,856
Oh, fantastic! Closer, closer.
551
00:25:23,890 --> 00:25:26,325
The warmth, the wetness.
Unbelievable!
552
00:25:26,358 --> 00:25:28,628
This is what it's all about!
This is heat.
553
00:25:28,661 --> 00:25:30,630
This'll make me famous!
554
00:25:30,663 --> 00:25:32,765
We gotta talk
about the VHS movement.
555
00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:33,666
And I've been lucky.
556
00:25:33,700 --> 00:25:35,234
I've been there
at all the innovations.
557
00:25:35,267 --> 00:25:37,003
I've been here
at all the changes.
558
00:25:37,036 --> 00:25:38,905
We went from a
qualitative media,
559
00:25:38,938 --> 00:25:40,940
to a quantitative media.
560
00:25:40,973 --> 00:25:43,810
The video concept
made it easier,
561
00:25:43,843 --> 00:25:45,578
but did it make it better?
562
00:25:45,612 --> 00:25:46,946
I don't know.
563
00:25:46,979 --> 00:25:48,080
[speaking Japanese]
564
00:26:20,913 --> 00:26:24,516
It was the very tail-end
of the theatrical distribution,
565
00:26:24,550 --> 00:26:26,853
and it was more of, um,
566
00:26:26,886 --> 00:26:29,255
video stores were just
popping up all over.
567
00:26:29,288 --> 00:26:33,225
So you had a lot of independent,
adult bookstores,
568
00:26:33,259 --> 00:26:35,527
and business was thriving.
569
00:26:35,561 --> 00:26:39,198
The video boom
came out of the facility
570
00:26:39,231 --> 00:26:41,033
to watch this material at home,
571
00:26:41,067 --> 00:26:43,636
and no longer have to be
ashamed, theoretically,
572
00:26:43,670 --> 00:26:45,037
to go to a theater.
573
00:26:45,071 --> 00:26:48,007
And I knew that
once this door was open
574
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,541
it would never be closed.
575
00:26:49,575 --> 00:26:51,610
Why don't you
move the teddy bear
576
00:26:51,644 --> 00:26:54,080
and come sit by me.
577
00:26:54,113 --> 00:26:58,918
Nah, I got a better idea,
why don't you come over here.
578
00:26:58,951 --> 00:27:00,586
Pardon me, Teddy.
579
00:27:08,728 --> 00:27:10,562
[speaking Japanese]
580
00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:32,852
Any major consumer
electronics medium...
581
00:27:32,885 --> 00:27:34,153
it's success or failure
in the market
582
00:27:34,186 --> 00:27:35,321
will be determined based on
583
00:27:35,354 --> 00:27:37,757
it's relationship with the adult
entertainment business.
584
00:27:37,790 --> 00:27:39,826
And I think VHS is
where we learned that.
585
00:27:39,859 --> 00:27:41,193
[speaking Japanese]
586
00:28:02,348 --> 00:28:04,717
I like the way a film looks,
587
00:28:04,751 --> 00:28:07,887
but I think that video
probably makes the end consumer
588
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,356
feel like he's
a part of the experience.
589
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:11,758
[speaking Japanese]
590
00:28:37,817 --> 00:28:40,820
What video did change
about the porn industry
591
00:28:40,853 --> 00:28:45,357
was the idea that since
we're distributing on video,
592
00:28:45,391 --> 00:28:47,159
we can shoot on video.
593
00:28:47,193 --> 00:28:48,961
Changed the economics
of that business.
594
00:28:48,995 --> 00:28:50,729
And made the business
so much bigger
595
00:28:50,763 --> 00:28:52,264
than it had ever been before.
596
00:28:52,298 --> 00:28:57,669
What if we took these big boxes
you know, in their trays
597
00:28:57,703 --> 00:28:59,471
and made them smaller,
598
00:28:59,505 --> 00:29:03,042
and maybe even we
could attempt to sell them
599
00:29:03,075 --> 00:29:07,679
in alternative markets,
like airports or bookstores.
600
00:29:07,713 --> 00:29:09,248
And they were selling
like hot cakes.
601
00:29:09,281 --> 00:29:11,250
And the business took off.
602
00:29:11,283 --> 00:29:14,053
And that's how we created
the sell-through title.
603
00:29:15,721 --> 00:29:20,526
Media had this crazy idea
of releasing tapes
604
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:24,196
at the, then,
shocking price of $19.95.
605
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:25,764
They were calling it
sell-through.
606
00:29:25,798 --> 00:29:26,899
Every other company was going,
607
00:29:26,933 --> 00:29:28,567
"Oh that's a stupid idea,
it's ridiculous."
608
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,036
You know, 'cause they thought
the more money it cost,
609
00:29:30,069 --> 00:29:31,037
the more money you'd make.
610
00:29:31,070 --> 00:29:32,171
But I thought,
611
00:29:32,204 --> 00:29:34,373
"Gee, I wish they'd sell
Basket Case for that."
612
00:29:34,406 --> 00:29:37,243
Because it would be
the only film like that.
613
00:29:37,276 --> 00:29:40,813
A disreputable, unrated,
blood and gore film,
614
00:29:40,847 --> 00:29:42,614
out on the market. And...
615
00:29:42,648 --> 00:29:45,952
teenagers, which were
my core audience,
616
00:29:45,985 --> 00:29:47,786
they couldn't afford $49.95,
617
00:29:47,820 --> 00:29:49,721
but they could all
afford 20 bucks.
618
00:29:49,755 --> 00:29:51,457
Media thought it was
a terrible idea.
619
00:29:51,490 --> 00:29:53,359
They thought it was
such a bad idea, they said,
620
00:29:53,392 --> 00:29:55,928
"We'll do it, but,
if it doesn't move,
621
00:29:55,962 --> 00:29:57,096
we're gonna go right back
622
00:29:57,129 --> 00:29:58,797
to the regular price."
623
00:29:59,598 --> 00:30:03,635
[screaming]
624
00:30:05,204 --> 00:30:07,773
By the time Halloween
came around, my god,
625
00:30:07,806 --> 00:30:09,341
Basket Case was everywhere.
626
00:30:09,375 --> 00:30:11,310
We made a fortune.
627
00:30:11,343 --> 00:30:14,246
It did spectacular. I mean,
I bought this apartment.
628
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,983
This was my down payment
that I needed from the bank
629
00:30:17,016 --> 00:30:18,184
to buy this apartment.
630
00:30:18,217 --> 00:30:20,619
Suddenly the sell-through
market was born.
631
00:30:20,652 --> 00:30:23,822
I'd like to think Basket Case
had a lot to do with that.
632
00:30:23,856 --> 00:30:26,725
[screaming]
633
00:30:28,460 --> 00:30:31,563
It was great for independents
because, the major studios
634
00:30:31,597 --> 00:30:34,901
really caught on very slowly,
to video.
635
00:30:34,934 --> 00:30:38,704
And there were so many
examples of independent films,
636
00:30:38,737 --> 00:30:40,706
that were brand new
to that audience,
637
00:30:40,739 --> 00:30:44,010
that were more desirable
than the big studio films.
638
00:30:44,043 --> 00:30:48,080
So, many times, those little
pictures would out-perform,
639
00:30:48,114 --> 00:30:49,281
just in terms of video.
640
00:30:49,315 --> 00:30:52,418
Not theatrical, on TV and other
deals that were happening.
641
00:30:52,451 --> 00:30:53,886
But when it came to
the video market,
642
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:54,887
in those early days,
643
00:30:54,921 --> 00:30:56,588
it was incredible.
644
00:30:56,622 --> 00:30:59,725
It's the return of cult hero
Freddie Krueger!
645
00:30:59,758 --> 00:31:01,961
And for the past two summers,
Freddie's nightmares
646
00:31:01,994 --> 00:31:04,496
have been the nation's top
video rental titles.
647
00:31:04,530 --> 00:31:07,033
Now, it's Freddie's
third time around,
648
00:31:07,066 --> 00:31:08,834
and he's all set to
claw his way
649
00:31:08,867 --> 00:31:10,536
beyond the
200,000 mark!
650
00:31:10,569 --> 00:31:13,305
The advent of home video also
made companies very successful.
651
00:31:13,339 --> 00:31:15,274
Very small companies
very successful.
652
00:31:15,307 --> 00:31:16,642
And I think that's largely
653
00:31:16,675 --> 00:31:20,246
why we have so many
insane VHS oddities now,
654
00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:22,348
is because there would be a huge
Hollywood movie that would hit,
655
00:31:22,381 --> 00:31:24,616
like Indiana Jones or
Friday the 13th,
656
00:31:24,650 --> 00:31:28,154
and you would get a whole
plethora of films
657
00:31:28,187 --> 00:31:30,122
that were aping that,
made for 12 cents.
658
00:31:30,156 --> 00:31:32,724
Production price tag, you know,
Terminator, 80 million,
659
00:31:32,758 --> 00:31:34,593
Puppetmaster, $400,000.
660
00:31:34,626 --> 00:31:36,295
It's like, you know, it's not
an even playing field,
661
00:31:36,328 --> 00:31:39,565
but in the video store,
they're all on the same shelf,
662
00:31:39,598 --> 00:31:41,300
they're all in
the same size boxes.
663
00:31:41,333 --> 00:31:43,902
Look, if idiots like Troma
can make a movie that...
664
00:31:43,936 --> 00:31:47,439
sells million and millions
of dollars of videocassettes,
665
00:31:47,473 --> 00:31:48,941
well, then anybody can do it.
666
00:31:50,742 --> 00:31:53,079
[screaming]
667
00:31:53,980 --> 00:31:55,514
Distribution was handled
very differently.
668
00:31:55,547 --> 00:31:56,848
There were
a lot more distributers.
669
00:31:56,882 --> 00:31:58,517
There were people that were
willing to experiment
670
00:31:58,550 --> 00:31:59,551
in home video.
671
00:31:59,585 --> 00:32:02,721
It was so new that it felt like
the wild west.
672
00:32:02,754 --> 00:32:03,990
It felt like anybody
could get a foothold
673
00:32:04,023 --> 00:32:07,126
and be a major player
in VHS distribution.
674
00:32:07,159 --> 00:32:12,164
I was approached by
a couple of producers who..
675
00:32:12,198 --> 00:32:16,969
wanted to produce a video which
would go straight to home video.
676
00:32:17,003 --> 00:32:18,170
And this was something new.
677
00:32:18,204 --> 00:32:22,474
My idea was I would create
an electronic aquarium.
678
00:32:22,508 --> 00:32:24,210
People found this intriguing.
679
00:32:24,243 --> 00:32:25,877
Here was this new thing
680
00:32:25,911 --> 00:32:29,681
that used this new medium
that had been created.
681
00:32:33,385 --> 00:32:37,456
What really, I think, caused
the early explosion in video,
682
00:32:37,489 --> 00:32:39,558
was Jane Fonda's workout tape.
683
00:32:39,591 --> 00:32:42,894
And now count to four.
Heels forward.
684
00:32:42,928 --> 00:32:45,931
And then, one... two... three...
685
00:32:45,964 --> 00:32:49,601
So, this was a tape that
did something original,
686
00:32:49,635 --> 00:32:51,803
which was, gave you
an opportunity to exercise,
687
00:32:51,837 --> 00:32:54,273
in your home, in front
of your TV, by yourself.
688
00:32:54,306 --> 00:32:55,707
Don't need to go to a gym.
689
00:32:55,741 --> 00:32:57,243
It was a very good concept.
690
00:32:57,276 --> 00:32:58,810
And it had never really
been done before.
691
00:32:58,844 --> 00:33:01,247
Well, the early days of video,
it was a seller's market.
692
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:02,948
It was great. I mean,
they couldn't get enough.
693
00:33:02,981 --> 00:33:05,984
This was a worldwide exposure,
and there was a window
694
00:33:06,018 --> 00:33:07,686
where if you made
a clever movie,
695
00:33:07,719 --> 00:33:09,421
and it was relatively well done,
696
00:33:09,455 --> 00:33:10,989
and it was in the right genre,
697
00:33:11,023 --> 00:33:14,126
you know, it was an action film
or horror, or sci-fi,
698
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,261
you would make some money.
699
00:33:15,294 --> 00:33:17,096
So it was Toei,
which is one of the...
700
00:33:17,129 --> 00:33:19,131
traditional major studios
in Japan,
701
00:33:19,165 --> 00:33:23,602
that sort of launched this
straight-to-video market.
702
00:33:23,635 --> 00:33:25,571
Whereas, in the U.S., largely,
703
00:33:25,604 --> 00:33:27,606
video was, for a very long time,
sort of demonized
704
00:33:27,639 --> 00:33:29,275
by the traditional studios.
705
00:33:29,308 --> 00:33:30,576
[speaking Japanese]
706
00:34:06,978 --> 00:34:10,682
[gunfire]
707
00:34:25,431 --> 00:34:26,965
[speaking Japanese]
708
00:34:55,794 --> 00:34:58,197
Vestron Video,
they were very aggressive.
709
00:34:58,230 --> 00:35:01,333
If you had a movie, and
you went to some place life AFM,
710
00:35:01,367 --> 00:35:03,235
the American Film Market,
or Cannes,
711
00:35:03,269 --> 00:35:07,105
and the video rights for your
movie were not locked up,
712
00:35:07,139 --> 00:35:08,674
almost immediately,
you'd be visited
713
00:35:08,707 --> 00:35:10,376
by a salesperson from Vestron,
714
00:35:10,409 --> 00:35:12,911
saying, "Here... here's a
million dollars right up front,
715
00:35:12,944 --> 00:35:14,112
give me the movie.
716
00:35:14,146 --> 00:35:16,948
In the initial stages,
you would go into a store
717
00:35:16,982 --> 00:35:18,350
and find something
that you wanted.
718
00:35:18,384 --> 00:35:19,685
You wouldn't see a commercial,
719
00:35:19,718 --> 00:35:23,021
you wouldn't read anything
in the magazine or newspaper.
720
00:35:23,054 --> 00:35:25,191
I mean, it was just that new.
721
00:35:25,224 --> 00:35:26,592
All these stores were opening up
722
00:35:26,625 --> 00:35:30,329
and they needed to fill
the shelves with new titles.
723
00:35:30,362 --> 00:35:32,831
So there was this huge demand.
724
00:35:32,864 --> 00:35:34,700
It didn't matter
if they were good or bad.
725
00:35:34,733 --> 00:35:37,603
You have a pretty
flourishing industry
726
00:35:37,636 --> 00:35:40,672
that's based on
renting video tapes.
727
00:35:40,706 --> 00:35:45,811
30 to 35 thousand video rental
stores across the country.
728
00:35:45,844 --> 00:35:48,247
Most often
mom and pop operations.
729
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,949
Charlie would have
title contests
730
00:35:50,982 --> 00:35:52,451
for his employees.
731
00:35:53,752 --> 00:35:57,223
And if you came up with a title
that he used, you'd get $500.
732
00:35:57,256 --> 00:36:00,158
So everybody would come up with
10 or 15 titles
733
00:36:00,192 --> 00:36:02,594
and he would narrow it down to,
like, a hundred,
734
00:36:02,628 --> 00:36:04,596
and then he would
commission box art.
735
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:07,233
And then Austin Furst would
come in from Vestron.
736
00:36:07,266 --> 00:36:09,568
He would just come into the room
and he'd go around, and say,
737
00:36:09,601 --> 00:36:11,303
"I'll take that one,
and that one,
738
00:36:11,337 --> 00:36:13,339
and that one, and that one."
739
00:36:13,372 --> 00:36:15,774
And then Charlie would bring
the writers and directors in
740
00:36:15,807 --> 00:36:18,244
and then say, "I want you
to do this one and that one."
741
00:36:18,277 --> 00:36:23,014
[synth music]
742
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:42,468
That was an era of great
equivalency at video stores.
743
00:36:42,501 --> 00:36:44,135
I think people
would rent anything
744
00:36:44,169 --> 00:36:46,037
with a cover
that interested them.
745
00:36:46,071 --> 00:36:48,574
It wasn't about studio,
it wasn't about movie star,
746
00:36:48,607 --> 00:36:50,175
it wasn't about budget.
747
00:36:50,208 --> 00:36:53,812
When you're looking at a shelf,
it's very democratic.
748
00:36:53,845 --> 00:36:55,146
The best cover catches your eye.
749
00:36:55,180 --> 00:36:58,517
One thing I do, is go to video
stores whenever I'm in them,
750
00:36:58,550 --> 00:37:00,552
and find the movie,
and I pick it out,
751
00:37:00,586 --> 00:37:03,589
and I put it flat
so it's facing front.
752
00:37:03,622 --> 00:37:05,557
A little extra advertising
can't hurt.
753
00:37:05,591 --> 00:37:07,025
[laughs] I really do.
754
00:37:07,058 --> 00:37:09,361
I'm like, looking around to see
that nobody looks.
755
00:37:09,395 --> 00:37:12,331
A lot of them I picked
just on the cover art.
756
00:37:12,364 --> 00:37:13,732
Malone!
757
00:37:13,765 --> 00:37:15,667
That's a cover buy.
Have I watched it?
758
00:37:15,701 --> 00:37:17,603
I'm not gonna lie to you
and tell you
I've watched this movie.
759
00:37:17,636 --> 00:37:21,440
But, if this happens somewhere
in it, then it's a good movie.
760
00:37:21,473 --> 00:37:23,975
Also, there's something
to be said
761
00:37:24,009 --> 00:37:26,111
about something so large,
762
00:37:26,144 --> 00:37:28,179
you could kill
a small child with this.
763
00:37:28,213 --> 00:37:30,282
Like, you could bludgeon
somebody to death with this.
764
00:37:30,316 --> 00:37:32,751
That was a handful, when you
bought one of those.
765
00:37:32,784 --> 00:37:35,587
And it left a lot of space for
a really good artist
766
00:37:35,621 --> 00:37:37,689
to actually create something
767
00:37:37,723 --> 00:37:39,591
that in itself
was a work of art.
768
00:37:39,625 --> 00:37:42,561
When you did a major film
it was fun to see it.
769
00:37:42,594 --> 00:37:44,262
It's the kind of job that
770
00:37:44,296 --> 00:37:45,997
a lot of illustrators
really cherish,
771
00:37:46,031 --> 00:37:47,766
and love to do.
772
00:37:47,799 --> 00:37:49,901
It used to have a battery and
you'd press the button,
773
00:37:49,935 --> 00:37:52,938
and then Frankenhooker says,
"Wanna date?"
774
00:37:52,971 --> 00:37:55,941
Um... Because that's
one of her catchlines...
775
00:37:55,974 --> 00:37:58,043
catchphrases in the movie.
"Wanna date?"
776
00:37:58,076 --> 00:37:59,411
She's a Frankenhooker.
777
00:37:59,445 --> 00:38:02,414
I have the box
but it doesn't work anymore.
778
00:38:02,448 --> 00:38:05,684
But it was this talking box.
And you'd press here,
779
00:38:05,717 --> 00:38:08,119
and you'd hear a voice go
"Wanna date?"
780
00:38:08,153 --> 00:38:10,989
When you push the button on
the box, she goes, "Wanna date?"
781
00:38:11,022 --> 00:38:12,257
It was obsessive.
You just sat there,
782
00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:15,427
"Wanna date?" "Wanna date?"
"Wanna date?" Wanna date?"
783
00:38:15,461 --> 00:38:18,964
When this was in the stores,
that's all people were doing.
784
00:38:18,997 --> 00:38:20,031
Wanna date?
785
00:38:20,065 --> 00:38:22,768
I think the talking box
did more to sell the movie
786
00:38:22,801 --> 00:38:24,302
than the movie did.
787
00:38:24,336 --> 00:38:25,837
"If you only see
one movie this year,
788
00:38:25,871 --> 00:38:27,506
it should be Frankenhooker."
789
00:38:27,539 --> 00:38:29,107
Of course it should be.
790
00:38:29,140 --> 00:38:31,076
I mean you see things
that are like,
791
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:34,346
wow, this box art
is not selling.
792
00:38:34,380 --> 00:38:36,448
And, especially being a buyer
for as long as I have,
793
00:38:36,482 --> 00:38:38,884
I can really look at stuff
and go,
794
00:38:38,917 --> 00:38:40,919
"This box art
will sell this movie."
795
00:38:40,952 --> 00:38:43,889
Looking at those, like
2000 Maniacs, just...
796
00:38:43,922 --> 00:38:45,991
the blood coming
out of the mouth,
797
00:38:46,024 --> 00:38:48,760
or the Color Me Blood Red,
with the woman, like,
798
00:38:48,794 --> 00:38:51,930
just totally splayed.
Guts hanging out.
799
00:38:51,963 --> 00:38:54,099
I was just like,
"That is for me."
800
00:38:54,132 --> 00:38:55,601
People have a certain amount
of nostalgia
801
00:38:55,634 --> 00:38:57,335
for kinda old VHS stuff.
802
00:38:57,369 --> 00:38:59,505
And some of it was pretty great.
Most of it was awful.
803
00:38:59,538 --> 00:39:00,739
I mean, if you're
objective about it.
804
00:39:00,772 --> 00:39:05,644
There are terrible, terrible,
unspeakably bad movies
805
00:39:05,677 --> 00:39:07,613
that have some of the
best covers I've ever seen.
806
00:39:07,646 --> 00:39:10,849
I admire the fact that
those companies figured out,
807
00:39:10,882 --> 00:39:13,685
"Man, all we gotta do
is wrap it nicely."
808
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,989
This was ultimately used
as a video cover,
809
00:39:18,023 --> 00:39:21,292
for Chevy Chase Funny Farm.
810
00:39:21,326 --> 00:39:25,631
Sometimes it's just the
simpler image that read better.
811
00:39:25,664 --> 00:39:27,499
It was a great way
for so many artists
812
00:39:27,533 --> 00:39:30,569
to make a living,
813
00:39:30,602 --> 00:39:32,671
and there was a lot of
great art produced,
814
00:39:32,704 --> 00:39:35,106
especially during
the 70's and 80's.
815
00:39:35,140 --> 00:39:37,242
We would fight to get our
name in there, and...
816
00:39:37,275 --> 00:39:38,977
some would allow it and
others would take it out.
817
00:39:39,010 --> 00:39:41,146
And so we'd kinda
hide it in somewhere.
818
00:39:41,179 --> 00:39:43,549
My name is in the hair.
If you turn it upside-down
819
00:39:43,582 --> 00:39:45,517
and have a look at it,
you'll see it.
820
00:39:45,551 --> 00:39:48,319
When somebody does kind of
a cheap, fast photoshop,
821
00:39:48,353 --> 00:39:50,321
here's a bunch
of floating heads,
822
00:39:50,355 --> 00:39:52,357
you know, buy it because
these actors are in it.
823
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:54,826
Like, that artwork isn't gonna
move the needle at all.
824
00:39:54,860 --> 00:39:58,296
I dunno what happened, I mean,
they actually used to use color.
825
00:39:58,329 --> 00:40:00,632
I don't see color
all that frequently.
826
00:40:00,666 --> 00:40:02,200
It's like they're designing
shit for dogs.
827
00:40:02,233 --> 00:40:05,370
I think that everyone forgot how
awesome a painted cover is,
828
00:40:05,403 --> 00:40:08,339
of a dude with his shirt off...
holding a machine gun.
829
00:40:08,373 --> 00:40:09,475
Why would you
take a photo of that
830
00:40:09,508 --> 00:40:12,444
when you can paint a
beautiful portrait of it.
831
00:40:12,478 --> 00:40:14,279
That's the stuff
that's gonna keep it
832
00:40:14,312 --> 00:40:16,982
out of the mainstream.
833
00:40:17,015 --> 00:40:20,652
You know, the big box stores
don't want that painted artwork.
834
00:40:20,686 --> 00:40:23,054
The amount of work I was given
from the movie studios
835
00:40:23,088 --> 00:40:27,325
really started to slow down
in the early 90's.
836
00:40:27,358 --> 00:40:29,360
Then, all of a sudden, they said
837
00:40:29,394 --> 00:40:32,230
that I had to learn how to do it
on a computer,
838
00:40:32,263 --> 00:40:33,532
or they couldn't use me anymore.
839
00:40:33,565 --> 00:40:35,901
Once I mastered
the tool of the computer,
840
00:40:35,934 --> 00:40:38,069
I was able to create
what I did before,
841
00:40:38,103 --> 00:40:39,838
maybe even a bit better.
842
00:40:39,871 --> 00:40:42,073
Don't give me art.
I can't stand art.
843
00:40:42,107 --> 00:40:44,042
The worst covers on the planet.
Criterion.
844
00:40:44,075 --> 00:40:45,110
I'm sorry, guys.
845
00:40:45,143 --> 00:40:48,279
They're the most
boring covers ever made.
846
00:40:48,313 --> 00:40:49,781
How could you not
wanna see this?
847
00:40:49,815 --> 00:40:52,651
How could you not
wanna own this?
848
00:40:52,684 --> 00:40:57,355
My god... you know, this...
this is a cover.
849
00:40:57,388 --> 00:40:59,591
Yeah.
- Yeah.
850
00:40:59,625 --> 00:41:03,929
Criterion, go fuck yourself.
This is how you sell it.
851
00:41:03,962 --> 00:41:05,731
[80's style synth music]
852
00:41:05,764 --> 00:41:08,199
*
853
00:41:18,744 --> 00:41:20,612
So by 1986,
854
00:41:20,646 --> 00:41:23,314
home video is giving
as much money to Hollywood
855
00:41:23,348 --> 00:41:25,083
as the box office.
856
00:41:25,116 --> 00:41:26,384
And it's all new money.
857
00:41:26,417 --> 00:41:29,454
20th Century Fox is bought up
by the News Corporation.
858
00:41:29,487 --> 00:41:32,290
Paramount is
bought up by Viacom.
859
00:41:32,323 --> 00:41:33,291
Very interesting,
860
00:41:33,324 --> 00:41:35,927
because of home video,
you actually have Sony,
861
00:41:35,961 --> 00:41:38,296
an electronics manufacturer,
862
00:41:38,329 --> 00:41:41,432
deciding never to lose
a format war again.
863
00:41:41,466 --> 00:41:44,836
And the way to do that was to
buy up a film studio.
864
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:46,304
So they bought Columbia.
865
00:41:46,337 --> 00:41:48,006
So by the 1990's,
866
00:41:48,039 --> 00:41:51,042
you have a new landscape
of media conglomerates.
867
00:41:51,076 --> 00:41:53,111
And they represented that film
868
00:41:53,144 --> 00:41:56,481
was switching over
to a major brand.
869
00:41:56,514 --> 00:42:00,586
That you can spin-off from film,
into many different markets
870
00:42:00,619 --> 00:42:04,556
with the sales of videos, music,
toy action figures,
871
00:42:04,590 --> 00:42:06,457
etcetera, etcetera, etcetera...
872
00:42:06,491 --> 00:42:09,828
You know, we're down now,
to the same basic five or six
873
00:42:09,861 --> 00:42:13,565
corporate pipelines that supply
almost all of our media,
874
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:17,703
and unfortunately,
they're not voracious enough
875
00:42:17,736 --> 00:42:20,305
to sort of reach outside
their own catalogues.
876
00:42:20,338 --> 00:42:22,741
So you don't have
that sort of...
877
00:42:22,774 --> 00:42:25,310
hunger in the
marketplace anymore.
878
00:42:25,343 --> 00:42:28,680
Blockbuster came in
and they took over.
879
00:42:28,714 --> 00:42:31,983
And they really got rid of all
the mom and pop chains.
880
00:42:32,017 --> 00:42:34,586
It's name says it all.
It was about blockbusters.
881
00:42:34,620 --> 00:42:36,121
That's all they were
interested in.
882
00:42:36,154 --> 00:42:38,990
Video rental is gone.
883
00:42:39,024 --> 00:42:42,728
You know, that was the
dominant way of seeing films,
884
00:42:42,761 --> 00:42:45,530
you know, 20 years ago.
And it's dead.
885
00:42:45,563 --> 00:42:47,265
Even though we lost all that,
yes, we have the internet
886
00:42:47,298 --> 00:42:48,333
which is awesome.
887
00:42:48,366 --> 00:42:50,435
I'm not gonna say that
the internet isn't great.
888
00:42:50,468 --> 00:42:54,740
It's incredible. In some ways
it's almost worth it.
889
00:42:54,773 --> 00:42:57,142
Yeah, there's definitely a sense
of loss, of course, I think.
890
00:42:57,175 --> 00:42:58,944
But, it's awesome to see
891
00:42:58,977 --> 00:43:00,145
the places that
are still around,
892
00:43:00,178 --> 00:43:02,280
like Cinefile, Odd Obsession,
893
00:43:02,313 --> 00:43:04,983
Scarecrow,
I Heart Video, Vulcan.
894
00:43:05,016 --> 00:43:07,318
They're still going strong.
895
00:43:07,352 --> 00:43:10,689
This is our video tape costume,
that we have someone who, uh...
896
00:43:10,722 --> 00:43:15,694
gets in and jumps around, during
the trivia contests that we do.
897
00:43:15,727 --> 00:43:20,832
And it's pretty easy to get on,
you just slide it...
898
00:43:24,836 --> 00:43:26,672
Kinda like this.
899
00:43:26,705 --> 00:43:28,439
And jumps around like that.
900
00:43:28,473 --> 00:43:31,643
We were thinking of hiring some
guy to just be on the sidewalk
901
00:43:31,677 --> 00:43:34,045
and just waving
at people. But...
902
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:35,981
nobody wants to do that
for minimum wage.
903
00:43:36,014 --> 00:43:38,349
What VHS had, because it
dominated for so long,
904
00:43:38,383 --> 00:43:40,285
was just an appetite.
905
00:43:40,318 --> 00:43:41,619
They had to fill those shelves.
906
00:43:41,653 --> 00:43:43,288
They had to have
new product out.
907
00:43:43,321 --> 00:43:45,857
And so distributers reached
deep into their catalogues,
908
00:43:45,891 --> 00:43:47,092
and they had to.
909
00:43:47,125 --> 00:43:48,159
And that was exciting.
910
00:43:48,193 --> 00:43:50,662
That was, I think,
the greatest era of discovery.
911
00:43:50,696 --> 00:43:54,900
VHS had an unusually long life
for a home video format.
912
00:43:54,933 --> 00:43:57,368
And I think that is something
that we'll never see
happen again.
913
00:43:57,402 --> 00:44:01,006
We'll never see Blu-Ray dominate
the market for 15 years.
914
00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:02,708
It just won't happen.
915
00:44:13,518 --> 00:44:16,221
When I first started
it was like,
916
00:44:16,254 --> 00:44:17,622
I'm a college grad,
917
00:44:17,655 --> 00:44:20,558
I've had a business, and now I'm
gonna work in a flea market.
918
00:44:20,591 --> 00:44:22,961
People would ask me in church,
or whatever,
919
00:44:22,994 --> 00:44:23,795
"What do you do?"
920
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:25,396
I sell movies
at the flea market.
921
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:26,664
And it's like "Ugghh!"
922
00:44:26,698 --> 00:44:29,467
The funny thing about digging
through all of Wayne's stuff
923
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:30,902
at the house...
924
00:44:30,936 --> 00:44:34,572
Is that there's no separation
whatsoever between genres.
925
00:44:34,605 --> 00:44:36,207
Basically you'll have, like
The Brave Little Toaster
926
00:44:36,241 --> 00:44:40,311
and then Enormous Wangs of
The Northern Yukon, er whatever,
927
00:44:40,345 --> 00:44:41,379
and they're just, like,
right next to each other
928
00:44:41,412 --> 00:44:43,949
'cause they're both
oversize boxes.
929
00:44:43,982 --> 00:44:46,051
That's a great film, you should
check that one out.
930
00:44:46,084 --> 00:44:48,820
We're The Picture Show.
931
00:44:48,854 --> 00:44:51,723
Been here since 1990.
932
00:44:51,757 --> 00:44:54,625
Got lots of customers that were
kids, would come in,
933
00:44:54,659 --> 00:44:56,895
their parents would
buy 'em kids movies,
934
00:44:56,928 --> 00:44:58,964
are now married and bringin'
in their kids.
935
00:44:58,997 --> 00:45:01,900
So, that's the biggest thing
that keeps me goin'.
936
00:45:01,933 --> 00:45:05,703
And so I have people comin' in,
most of them over 55 or 60,
937
00:45:05,737 --> 00:45:08,573
that still like VHS,
still buy VHS,
938
00:45:08,606 --> 00:45:09,775
that's what they want.
939
00:45:09,808 --> 00:45:12,778
And then, young guys like you,
who are collectors,
940
00:45:12,811 --> 00:45:14,479
and they want the old stuff,
941
00:45:14,512 --> 00:45:16,782
and they wanna get into
all that.
942
00:45:16,815 --> 00:45:21,052
This is a typical VHS buyer.
943
00:45:21,086 --> 00:45:25,156
Uh, kind of, low-class.
944
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:28,860
[laughs] Here's a movie about a
donkey named Paco.
945
00:45:28,894 --> 00:45:31,897
"He'll steal your heart
and your wallets."
946
00:45:31,930 --> 00:45:35,300
Wayne charges a lot for his VHS.
947
00:45:35,333 --> 00:45:37,803
Like, you know, way more than
anyone else in America
948
00:45:37,836 --> 00:45:39,204
probably charges for their VHS.
949
00:45:39,237 --> 00:45:41,940
It's like a flat rate of 9 bucks
if he likes you,
950
00:45:41,973 --> 00:45:43,508
10 bucks if he doesn't.
951
00:45:43,541 --> 00:45:46,011
And there's no way on earth that
Paco is worth 9 bucks.
952
00:45:46,044 --> 00:45:47,645
He actually is stealing
my wallets.
953
00:45:47,678 --> 00:45:50,949
[Jones] You gotta have
the real movie people.
954
00:45:50,982 --> 00:45:52,617
The people that know
you can't get this stuff
955
00:45:52,650 --> 00:45:54,085
on Netflix, or whatever.
[Jones] Yeah.
956
00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:56,988
And those people
are fewer and fewer.
957
00:45:57,022 --> 00:45:59,024
I've just kept on keepin' on.
958
00:45:59,057 --> 00:46:00,358
[Carlson] But you have
a personal...
959
00:46:00,391 --> 00:46:01,726
fondness for VHS I'm sure.
960
00:46:01,759 --> 00:46:05,296
[Jones] Oh sure, Yeah,
I still watch VHS.
961
00:46:05,330 --> 00:46:07,165
And if I've got a choice
to watch somethin'
962
00:46:07,198 --> 00:46:10,969
I got all this new stuff around
here, but I'll end up watchin'
963
00:46:11,002 --> 00:46:14,105
an old movie. You know to me,
it's like an old friend.
964
00:46:14,139 --> 00:46:19,310
We display about
17,000 titles on VHS.
965
00:46:19,344 --> 00:46:23,248
We display about
12,000 titles on DVD.
966
00:46:23,281 --> 00:46:25,516
Probably up there,
I have another...
967
00:46:25,550 --> 00:46:27,819
15, 20,000 duplicates,
968
00:46:27,853 --> 00:46:30,355
and around here
in the two rooms,
969
00:46:30,388 --> 00:46:34,425
I probably have close to
another 50,000... VHS.
970
00:46:34,459 --> 00:46:36,094
[Carlson]
So, that's over 100,000?
971
00:46:36,127 --> 00:46:40,798
50, 60, 70, yeah,
probably at least 80, 85, maybe.
972
00:46:40,832 --> 00:46:43,501
And I don't really know.
I'm not countin' 'em.
973
00:46:43,534 --> 00:46:46,437
This is the video room
inside Wayne's house,
974
00:46:46,471 --> 00:46:49,174
which is like total chaos.
975
00:46:49,207 --> 00:46:53,411
Like the earth has vomited up,
you know, 12 video stores.
976
00:46:53,444 --> 00:46:56,047
You do the best
out in the country.
977
00:46:56,081 --> 00:46:58,216
You don't wanna be in town.
978
00:46:58,249 --> 00:47:01,052
You're fightin' all the
Best Buys
979
00:47:01,086 --> 00:47:03,221
and the Wal-Marts and on and on.
980
00:47:03,254 --> 00:47:05,523
Up there, I'm the
biggest movie thing
981
00:47:05,556 --> 00:47:07,025
to a lot of people comin' in
982
00:47:07,058 --> 00:47:09,160
from a 40 or 50 mile radius.
983
00:47:09,194 --> 00:47:11,062
We can talk intelligently
984
00:47:11,096 --> 00:47:13,331
about 90 percent
of the movies up there,
985
00:47:13,364 --> 00:47:16,301
and we've probably seen
three percent of 'em.
986
00:47:16,334 --> 00:47:19,837
If you don't know, then you go,
"I hear it's a good movie."
987
00:47:19,871 --> 00:47:21,072
Right.
988
00:47:21,106 --> 00:47:25,010
Or... "Yeah, that's a real good,
that's a pretty good movie."
989
00:47:25,043 --> 00:47:27,812
Are you ever honest and say
"I hear it's terrible"?
990
00:47:27,845 --> 00:47:29,580
No, no, no no no no.
991
00:47:29,614 --> 00:47:32,450
That's absolutely a no-no.
992
00:47:32,483 --> 00:47:35,253
And you go, "It's a pretty box,
look at the box."
993
00:47:35,286 --> 00:47:36,521
Even if it sucks.
994
00:47:36,554 --> 00:47:40,225
Well, most of it, you've just
heard people tell you it sucks,
995
00:47:40,258 --> 00:47:42,393
but you don't know it,
'cause I haven't seen it.
996
00:47:42,427 --> 00:47:45,396
Nothin' was more depressing,
to me,
997
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:47,999
than to wake up
on January first,
998
00:47:48,033 --> 00:47:50,868
and know exactly
what you're gonna make...
999
00:47:50,902 --> 00:47:51,970
for the whole year.
1000
00:47:52,003 --> 00:47:55,840
I want to at least have
the possibility of makin'...
1001
00:47:55,873 --> 00:47:58,576
$50,000 or makin' $10,000.
1002
00:47:58,609 --> 00:48:01,279
But at least I don't know.
It's still out there.
1003
00:48:02,613 --> 00:48:04,449
This VHS home video system
1004
00:48:04,482 --> 00:48:06,985
has every single function
you will ever need.
1005
00:48:07,018 --> 00:48:10,388
It was made by JVC,
the people who invented VHS.
1006
00:48:10,421 --> 00:48:12,490
A home video system
so advanced,
1007
00:48:12,523 --> 00:48:14,059
it's used in more sets
around the world
1008
00:48:14,092 --> 00:48:15,393
than any other.
1009
00:48:15,426 --> 00:48:16,694
But the best invention
1010
00:48:16,727 --> 00:48:17,595
we've ever
come up with,
1011
00:48:17,628 --> 00:48:19,864
is our cordless
remote control unit,
1012
00:48:19,897 --> 00:48:22,233
which puts every function
of the machine itself
1013
00:48:22,267 --> 00:48:24,602
into the palm of your hand.
1014
00:48:24,635 --> 00:48:29,374
VHS came out and the
rewind button was introduced.
1015
00:48:29,407 --> 00:48:32,377
That was pretty much
revolutionary for film-makers,
1016
00:48:32,410 --> 00:48:34,412
'cause you could just, easily,
with the press of a button,
1017
00:48:34,445 --> 00:48:36,914
just go back
and constantly re-watch
1018
00:48:36,948 --> 00:48:40,185
how Tom Savini stuck an arrow
through someone's chest.
1019
00:48:40,218 --> 00:48:43,754
You could go back and pause it
and look at it closely.
1020
00:48:43,788 --> 00:48:46,591
Also understand and dissect
the structure of editing.
1021
00:48:46,624 --> 00:48:50,261
Because usually editing is
designed to be very seamless,
1022
00:48:50,295 --> 00:48:53,331
and you couldn't figure out how
shots would be put together
1023
00:48:53,364 --> 00:48:56,434
to create a flow, and an effect,
1024
00:48:56,467 --> 00:48:58,436
and a gag especially,
or a stunt.
1025
00:48:58,469 --> 00:49:01,306
It's really increased
the ability
1026
00:49:01,339 --> 00:49:03,641
for people to understand
the language of film.
1027
00:49:06,177 --> 00:49:07,478
[speaking Japanese]
1028
00:49:34,839 --> 00:49:38,409
VHS kind of, I think, taught
a lot of people about
1029
00:49:38,443 --> 00:49:40,578
the nature of film,
the nature of editing,
1030
00:49:40,611 --> 00:49:41,846
the nature of sound,
1031
00:49:41,879 --> 00:49:43,114
and how those things mattered.
1032
00:49:43,148 --> 00:49:45,816
Not on purpose,
but on accident, like...
1033
00:49:45,850 --> 00:49:47,718
"Oh okay, this tape is
falling apart,
1034
00:49:47,752 --> 00:49:48,886
well, why is it doing that?
1035
00:49:48,919 --> 00:49:51,156
Oh, 'cause it's
a physical medium.
Well, why is that?
1036
00:49:51,189 --> 00:49:54,325
Oh, because it's just
magnetic oxide stuck to a tape
1037
00:49:54,359 --> 00:49:56,894
in a pre-determined pattern.
Oh, okay."
1038
00:49:56,927 --> 00:50:00,365
Instead of having stacks of
film books,
1039
00:50:00,398 --> 00:50:03,368
we had stacks of VHS tapes.
1040
00:50:03,401 --> 00:50:06,471
That's what helped us discover
our love for cinema,
1041
00:50:06,504 --> 00:50:08,106
it's what inspired us
1042
00:50:08,139 --> 00:50:10,308
to go start shooting
our own movies.
1043
00:50:10,341 --> 00:50:11,876
And I remember even
1044
00:50:11,909 --> 00:50:14,812
cutting my first films
on two VHS players.
1045
00:50:14,845 --> 00:50:18,183
Everyone had a VHS deck
in their house in the 1980's.
1046
00:50:18,216 --> 00:50:20,418
That was, I mean,
everyone that I knew did.
1047
00:50:20,451 --> 00:50:23,854
So, you record something,
you put it on a VHS tape,
1048
00:50:23,888 --> 00:50:25,022
you can share it with everybody.
1049
00:50:25,056 --> 00:50:27,125
You could just leave
the camera running...
1050
00:50:27,158 --> 00:50:31,829
and you were also aware that
it was easy to record sound.
1051
00:50:31,862 --> 00:50:34,699
Um, so that was
really revolutionary.
1052
00:50:34,732 --> 00:50:38,636
And for someone who was raised
on home movies on film,
1053
00:50:38,669 --> 00:50:40,771
the idea of video
was almost magical,
1054
00:50:40,805 --> 00:50:43,941
it felt like this was
too good to be true.
1055
00:50:43,974 --> 00:50:46,644
Think about film history
classes. Film 101.
1056
00:50:46,677 --> 00:50:48,913
Whatever university you've been
in, whatever high school,
1057
00:50:48,946 --> 00:50:51,382
the first films you looked at
were the Lumiere films.
1058
00:50:51,416 --> 00:50:54,385
You've got a train
coming into a station,
1059
00:50:54,419 --> 00:50:56,554
You've got factory workers
leaving a factory,
1060
00:50:56,587 --> 00:50:58,523
and you're feeding a baby.
1061
00:50:58,556 --> 00:51:01,692
These are the canonical titles
of early cinema,
1062
00:51:01,726 --> 00:51:02,793
that every textbook has.
1063
00:51:02,827 --> 00:51:04,995
And they are home movies.
1064
00:51:05,029 --> 00:51:08,299
I made my first feature on VHS
when I was 12.
1065
00:51:08,333 --> 00:51:10,401
I would dress up my brothers in,
like a gorilla costume,
1066
00:51:10,435 --> 00:51:13,037
or we made fake guts
that came out,
1067
00:51:13,070 --> 00:51:15,473
or we did a fake
episode of Cops.
1068
00:51:15,506 --> 00:51:19,377
It's mostly unwatchable and
it's mostly deeply embarrassing.
1069
00:51:19,410 --> 00:51:24,615
* Papa was a rolling stone,
Yes he was *
1070
00:51:24,649 --> 00:51:29,754
* He was a rolling sto-one
1071
00:51:29,787 --> 00:51:31,522
Before that it seemed like,
well, making a movie
1072
00:51:31,556 --> 00:51:32,690
is like this whole
different thing.
1073
00:51:32,723 --> 00:51:34,058
There's no way that you
could ever do that.
1074
00:51:34,091 --> 00:51:35,560
That's what
people in Hollywood do.
1075
00:51:35,593 --> 00:51:38,129
But then, when I figured out,
you can just get a video camera,
1076
00:51:38,163 --> 00:51:39,964
and you make this movie,
and you can show it
to your friends,
1077
00:51:39,997 --> 00:51:41,599
like, the next week,
that was so exciting.
1078
00:51:41,632 --> 00:51:43,201
And then I was kinda hooked.
1079
00:51:43,234 --> 00:51:44,735
[on the video] Well, this sucks.
1080
00:51:46,671 --> 00:51:48,806
Come on let's go have a party
or something.
1081
00:51:48,839 --> 00:51:50,808
Eh, this is dumb, I'm bored.
1082
00:51:53,077 --> 00:51:54,845
Waste of time.
1083
00:51:54,879 --> 00:51:57,882
But I think it was the fact
that it was so accessible,
1084
00:51:57,915 --> 00:51:59,950
it was the fact
that it was universal.
1085
00:51:59,984 --> 00:52:01,919
It's like,
"Alright, well let's go skate,
1086
00:52:01,952 --> 00:52:03,388
and I'm just gonna bring
the camera with me."
1087
00:52:03,421 --> 00:52:05,323
It wasn't, like,
this whole production.
1088
00:52:11,529 --> 00:52:13,231
You know, and I think in the
grand scheme of things,
1089
00:52:13,264 --> 00:52:16,701
we'll understand that there was
the invention of film,
1090
00:52:16,734 --> 00:52:19,204
and that that became domestic
at one point,
1091
00:52:19,237 --> 00:52:23,408
but that distinction between
what was 8mm film
1092
00:52:23,441 --> 00:52:25,776
and what was home video,
1093
00:52:25,810 --> 00:52:29,780
I think was just this weird,
you know, maybe...
1094
00:52:29,814 --> 00:52:32,750
20 year blip in our evolution.
1095
00:52:32,783 --> 00:52:36,921
I was 10. I saw the movie
when it first came out,
1096
00:52:36,954 --> 00:52:40,658
and really was overcome
by just Indiana Jones,
1097
00:52:40,691 --> 00:52:44,229
the character himself,
and the world that he inhabited.
1098
00:52:44,262 --> 00:52:46,997
You know, being a single kid,
and kinda nerdy, you know,
1099
00:52:47,031 --> 00:52:48,966
I wanted to create
worlds for myself.
1100
00:52:48,999 --> 00:52:50,201
That was my motivation.
1101
00:52:50,235 --> 00:52:51,836
And then getting together with
my friend Eric Zala,
1102
00:52:51,869 --> 00:52:55,773
we wanted to recreate
this Raiders film.
1103
00:52:55,806 --> 00:52:58,343
And of course, when you have
a passionate idea,
1104
00:52:58,376 --> 00:52:59,644
you find the tools to do it.
1105
00:52:59,677 --> 00:53:02,480
Eric had more of a drive to see
a shot-for-shot remake
1106
00:53:02,513 --> 00:53:03,881
of Raiders in its entirety.
1107
00:53:03,914 --> 00:53:06,651
I think for myself,
maybe it was that idea.
1108
00:53:06,684 --> 00:53:08,152
But I think for me it was more,
1109
00:53:08,185 --> 00:53:09,887
"I just wanna
play Indiana Jones."
1110
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,324
[boulder rumbling]
1111
00:53:20,598 --> 00:53:22,633
We worked from memory
for the first three years.
1112
00:53:22,667 --> 00:53:25,069
Video stores weren't as
readily available.
1113
00:53:25,102 --> 00:53:26,437
You just couldn't get stuff.
1114
00:53:26,471 --> 00:53:27,872
And so you were left
to your own
1115
00:53:27,905 --> 00:53:28,939
to go back to the theater
1116
00:53:28,973 --> 00:53:30,040
and see the film again.
1117
00:53:30,074 --> 00:53:30,975
We bought the comic book,
1118
00:53:31,008 --> 00:53:32,477
we bought the script
that was published,
1119
00:53:32,510 --> 00:53:34,479
we bought fan magazines.
1120
00:53:34,512 --> 00:53:36,714
I snuck a tape recorder
into the movie theater
1121
00:53:36,747 --> 00:53:38,949
just to get sound effects,
and ended up getting thrown out.
1122
00:53:38,983 --> 00:53:42,320
And then when the film came out
on laserdisc in '84 or '85
1123
00:53:42,353 --> 00:53:44,255
we watched it and realized
we were pretty close.
1124
00:53:44,289 --> 00:53:46,123
The whole seven year project,
1125
00:53:46,156 --> 00:53:48,426
really we just did it
for ourselves.
1126
00:53:48,459 --> 00:53:49,860
But there's a nostalgia there
1127
00:53:49,894 --> 00:53:51,929
for this generation
of filmmakers
1128
00:53:51,962 --> 00:53:55,366
that were teaching themselves
on Betamax.
1129
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:56,501
And that could be...
1130
00:53:56,534 --> 00:53:58,636
something as simple as
setting up your Barbie dolls,
1131
00:53:58,669 --> 00:54:00,471
you know, or that could be
something as complicated
1132
00:54:00,505 --> 00:54:02,273
as wanting to remake
Raiders of the Lost Ark
1133
00:54:02,307 --> 00:54:03,708
in it's entirety
1134
00:54:03,741 --> 00:54:05,610
VHS will always have
a historical place
1135
00:54:05,643 --> 00:54:11,181
because it was the first way
in which images were circulated
1136
00:54:11,215 --> 00:54:13,884
and duplicated,
in a cost-effective way.
1137
00:54:13,918 --> 00:54:16,287
There were not
the economic constraints
1138
00:54:16,321 --> 00:54:18,423
that were associated with
image-making before.
1139
00:54:18,456 --> 00:54:19,990
That's revolutionary.
1140
00:54:20,024 --> 00:54:22,627
I remember renting some of
those, sort of, low-rent titles
1141
00:54:22,660 --> 00:54:24,228
in the mom and pop video stores.
1142
00:54:24,261 --> 00:54:25,229
But then you would get 'em home
1143
00:54:25,262 --> 00:54:26,864
and they would have
this look, like
1144
00:54:26,897 --> 00:54:29,199
"This doesn't look
like a real movie,
1145
00:54:29,233 --> 00:54:30,701
this doesn't look
like a real film.
1146
00:54:30,735 --> 00:54:33,338
"Kinda looks like
TV news, or something."
1147
00:54:33,371 --> 00:54:36,073
And you'd get, like,
a shot-on-video movie
1148
00:54:36,106 --> 00:54:38,108
that would give every appearance
of being a real movie,
1149
00:54:38,142 --> 00:54:39,310
but it wouldn't be.
1150
00:54:39,344 --> 00:54:40,945
Wake up, bitch!
1151
00:54:40,978 --> 00:54:47,752
No... No!
1152
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:50,888
This isn't real!
1153
00:54:50,921 --> 00:54:52,757
There's something about, like,
1154
00:54:52,790 --> 00:54:54,158
watching something
shot-on-video.
1155
00:54:54,191 --> 00:54:55,360
It makes you feel mo- for me,
1156
00:54:55,393 --> 00:54:56,794
it makes me feel more
like I'm there,
1157
00:54:56,827 --> 00:54:59,063
like I could-
it feels- there's more of,
like a voyeuristic thing,
1158
00:54:59,096 --> 00:55:01,231
'cause you associate it
with home movies.
1159
00:55:01,265 --> 00:55:03,868
And so then when you see
a movie made on video
1160
00:55:03,901 --> 00:55:05,436
you kinda get this feeling like
you're seeing something
1161
00:55:05,470 --> 00:55:07,405
that maybe you
weren't supposed to.
1162
00:55:07,438 --> 00:55:09,374
Everybody was like, "You know,
you gotta shoot it on film,
1163
00:55:09,407 --> 00:55:11,876
what are you doing? You can't
shoot a feature on video."
1164
00:55:11,909 --> 00:55:13,143
I'm gonna take my time
with this,
1165
00:55:13,177 --> 00:55:14,845
we're gonna treat this
like a movie.
1166
00:55:14,879 --> 00:55:16,146
Just the fact that
it's being shot
1167
00:55:16,180 --> 00:55:17,081
on Super VHS-C
1168
00:55:17,114 --> 00:55:18,816
is gonna be irrelevant.
1169
00:55:18,849 --> 00:55:24,321
Sledgehammer... they...
made it on VHS for VHS.
1170
00:55:24,355 --> 00:55:25,990
And I- I think,
as far as I know,
1171
00:55:26,023 --> 00:55:27,792
it's the first one like that.
1172
00:55:27,825 --> 00:55:31,128
And made with a sense of
professionalism, like,
1173
00:55:31,161 --> 00:55:32,563
"Maybe this is the new way."
1174
00:55:32,597 --> 00:55:34,599
I was here in Ohio doing it and
guys like Tim Ritter
1175
00:55:34,632 --> 00:55:36,767
were down in Florida, you know,
doing the same thing,
1176
00:55:36,801 --> 00:55:38,736
and he was going door-to-door
to video stores,
1177
00:55:38,769 --> 00:55:41,071
But eventually you had guys that
cracked the nut at Blockbuster,
1178
00:55:41,105 --> 00:55:43,508
and were getting stuff on
Blockbuster store shelves.
1179
00:55:43,541 --> 00:55:47,177
The unprofessional quality of
the shot-on-video movies
1180
00:55:47,211 --> 00:55:50,715
to me, is what makes them
beautiful and makes them...
1181
00:55:50,748 --> 00:55:53,317
I dunno, it's weird, it's like
they were trashy back then,
1182
00:55:53,350 --> 00:55:54,819
but now there's
an artistic quality.
1183
00:55:56,987 --> 00:55:58,456
Aaaaaaah.
1184
00:55:58,489 --> 00:56:01,125
Despite being
an ex-boxer and marine,
1185
00:56:01,158 --> 00:56:03,027
The Rock finally succumbed
1186
00:56:03,060 --> 00:56:08,833
to the vicious, relentless,
blood-thirsty,
1187
00:56:08,866 --> 00:56:11,669
unyielding, resilient,
devil ant!
1188
00:56:11,702 --> 00:56:13,871
[unconvincing dying gasp]
1189
00:56:13,904 --> 00:56:16,140
And have you seen the giant
horny toad monster?
1190
00:56:16,173 --> 00:56:18,042
Errr, he'll attack ya,
errrrrrrrrr!
1191
00:56:18,075 --> 00:56:19,777
And the devil ant! Errrrrr!
1192
00:56:19,810 --> 00:56:22,813
I make monster comedies,
I've been doin' that since 1990,
1193
00:56:22,847 --> 00:56:24,849
and I've been makin'
monster movies ever since.
1194
00:56:24,882 --> 00:56:26,951
My plot is I got
a monster out there
1195
00:56:26,984 --> 00:56:28,018
and he has to be destroyed!
1196
00:56:28,052 --> 00:56:29,186
He has to be stopped!
1197
00:56:29,219 --> 00:56:30,521
That's the plot of my movie.
1198
00:56:30,555 --> 00:56:33,323
They call Detective Rock
to stop the monster, you know...
1199
00:56:33,357 --> 00:56:35,460
Who always doesn't
believe in the monster.
1200
00:56:35,493 --> 00:56:36,694
[imitates sound
of phone ringing]
1201
00:56:39,163 --> 00:56:39,997
Hello.
1202
00:56:40,030 --> 00:56:41,031
[muffled voice] Yeah,
Detective Rock.
1203
00:56:41,065 --> 00:56:43,367
Hello.
- Rock.
1204
00:56:43,934 --> 00:56:46,203
Rock
- Hello. Yeah.
1205
00:56:46,236 --> 00:56:48,072
Yeah.
- Hey, what?
1206
00:56:48,105 --> 00:56:49,039
Ozzy's dead.
1207
00:56:49,073 --> 00:56:50,340
Hey man, I'm tryin' to eat, man.
1208
00:56:50,374 --> 00:56:52,409
You know you shouldn't be
interrupt- callin' me this time.
1209
00:56:52,443 --> 00:56:53,711
You shouldn't be
interruptin' me, man.
1210
00:56:53,744 --> 00:56:55,646
Ozzy's dead.
- What?
1211
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,616
Greg 'Ozzy' Ozumeck is dead?
1212
00:56:58,649 --> 00:56:59,684
Yeah, bitten by a devil ant.
1213
00:56:59,717 --> 00:57:01,852
Got bitten by a devil ant?
- Yeah.
1214
00:57:01,886 --> 00:57:04,889
Oh c'mon, man, that's an
old wives' tale and you know it.
1215
00:57:04,922 --> 00:57:05,790
I know.
1216
00:57:05,823 --> 00:57:07,592
And it's got a lot
of comedy in there,
1217
00:57:07,625 --> 00:57:08,893
and it's got a lot of action,
1218
00:57:08,926 --> 00:57:10,995
like monsters battling people.
1219
00:57:11,028 --> 00:57:12,262
A lot of victims.
1220
00:57:12,296 --> 00:57:14,765
And then at the end of the movie
the monster gets killed,
1221
00:57:14,799 --> 00:57:16,867
or he gets stopped, or whatever.
1222
00:57:16,901 --> 00:57:18,368
Thrown in jail or somethin'.
1223
00:57:18,402 --> 00:57:21,506
This is a person who has...
1224
00:57:21,539 --> 00:57:24,475
one day sat down and decided,
"I am going to improve the world
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00:57:24,509 --> 00:57:26,644
with absolutely no
financial support,
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00:57:26,677 --> 00:57:28,879
and no critical support
from anybody,
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00:57:28,913 --> 00:57:30,748
and I'm gonna make
this my life's mission."
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00:57:30,781 --> 00:57:33,684
He is- he is like a living
embodiment of a middle finger
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00:57:33,718 --> 00:57:35,653
in the face of everybody
who ever told you
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00:57:35,686 --> 00:57:37,555
that you cannot do
what you wanna do.
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00:57:37,588 --> 00:57:40,691
Ladies and gentlemen, please
welcome David "The Rock" Nelson.
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00:57:44,228 --> 00:57:45,896
Eeerrrrrr!
- Ah!
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00:57:47,164 --> 00:57:49,233
Errrr eerrrrr I'm gonna get you
with my devil ant
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00:57:49,266 --> 00:57:51,301
if you don't watch this movie
by The Rock!
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00:57:51,335 --> 00:57:55,540
I was a door to door dictionary
salesman from '87 to '91.
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00:57:55,573 --> 00:57:57,842
So that sorta helped
my sales, you know.
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00:57:57,875 --> 00:58:00,845
It helped me, it taught me how
to sell to people.
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00:58:00,878 --> 00:58:02,980
And after that,
after I was let go,
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00:58:03,013 --> 00:58:05,415
I started sellin' my movies
in '93.
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00:58:05,449 --> 00:58:07,184
I went door to door with
my monster movies.
1241
00:58:07,217 --> 00:58:09,554
I had interviews,
I have an introduction,
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00:58:09,587 --> 00:58:10,788
I show movie trailers,
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00:58:10,821 --> 00:58:13,323
so you're getting a full-length
movie, it's like two hours.
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00:58:13,357 --> 00:58:15,860
Plus you get previews, plus you
get a long intro by me,
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00:58:15,893 --> 00:58:17,327
flexing my muscles and stuff.
1246
00:58:17,361 --> 00:58:20,531
I'm gonna show ya, look!
1247
00:58:20,565 --> 00:58:22,733
The Rock's got it! Show 'em!
1248
00:58:24,134 --> 00:58:25,302
Yeah! One... two...
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00:58:25,335 --> 00:58:28,105
I drink like four glasses of
milk a day, and I eat good,
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00:58:28,138 --> 00:58:30,340
I get my protein,
you know, a beef patty
maybe with some rice
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00:58:30,374 --> 00:58:32,743
and maybe some veggies,
or a small salad,
1252
00:58:32,777 --> 00:58:36,547
and I... you know, every day
I have a banana or an apple.
1253
00:58:36,581 --> 00:58:39,617
You know, get my fiber,
get my fruit.
1254
00:58:39,650 --> 00:58:41,552
So, you know,
all natural body-building,
1255
00:58:41,586 --> 00:58:42,587
I never took a steroid,
1256
00:58:42,620 --> 00:58:44,054
it's all natural, bud.
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00:58:44,088 --> 00:58:50,561
46, 47, 48, 49,
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00:58:50,595 --> 00:58:55,265
50, 51, 52!
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00:58:55,299 --> 00:58:59,336
Ladies and gentlemen!
David "The Rock" Nelson!
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00:59:02,506 --> 00:59:05,242
Are you jealous of my body?
[audience] Yes!
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00:59:05,275 --> 00:59:08,345
Are you jealous of my body?
Yeah.
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00:59:08,378 --> 00:59:11,481
The thing is,
I got enough footage
for like 100 movies right now.
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00:59:11,515 --> 00:59:13,150
I'm always filmin' stuff.
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00:59:13,183 --> 00:59:15,620
And I film so much stuff that
I forget where everything is.
1265
00:59:15,653 --> 00:59:19,189
So, a lot of times I have to
reshoot something if I want it.
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00:59:19,223 --> 00:59:20,357
It takes too long to
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00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:22,259
fast-forward,
rewind to find that.
1268
00:59:22,292 --> 00:59:25,095
So I say,
"I'll just do it over again."
1269
00:59:25,129 --> 00:59:27,231
And it turns out pretty good
the second time.
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00:59:32,469 --> 00:59:34,772
Go ahead and stab the knife
in my chest, Sodom,
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00:59:34,805 --> 00:59:36,106
go ahead, right in my heart.
1272
00:59:36,140 --> 00:59:37,174
Why not?
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00:59:37,207 --> 00:59:40,344
I got ideas comin' outta
my head, man, I'm 55!
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00:59:40,377 --> 00:59:42,346
What's wrong with you guys
sayin' you're old,
1275
00:59:42,379 --> 00:59:44,581
when you're like my age,
or younger! You're not old!
1276
00:59:44,615 --> 00:59:46,483
Don't tell me, "Oh, I'm 48,
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00:59:46,516 --> 00:59:47,918
I'm gettin' too old fer this."
1278
00:59:47,952 --> 00:59:51,088
Man, you're just a kid!
Get motivated!
1279
00:59:51,121 --> 00:59:53,824
You know, some of you will say,
"Oh, you gotta do it digitally."
1280
00:59:53,858 --> 00:59:55,392
Yeah, digital schmidgital!
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00:59:55,425 --> 00:59:57,027
I don't need a computer
to make a movie,
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00:59:57,061 --> 00:59:58,428
I never have!
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00:59:59,163 --> 01:00:01,065
I just shoot the dang thing.
1284
01:00:01,098 --> 01:00:03,701
If you got a video camera,
stick a blank tape
in that machine,
1285
01:00:03,734 --> 01:00:04,835
and film the dang thing!
1286
01:00:04,869 --> 01:00:06,136
Quit makin' excuses,
1287
01:00:06,170 --> 01:00:07,571
"Well, I don't have
all this money.
1288
01:00:07,604 --> 01:00:11,041
I need a budget so I can buy
all this digital equipment."
1289
01:00:11,075 --> 01:00:12,276
Use what ya got!
1290
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:13,744
"Well I didn't go
to film school,
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01:00:13,778 --> 01:00:15,379
I don't know if my movies
are gonna be good er not."
1292
01:00:15,412 --> 01:00:16,546
Don't worry about it!
1293
01:00:16,580 --> 01:00:18,783
Just listen to your heart
and you do it!
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01:00:18,816 --> 01:00:20,785
You take charge
of your own vision!
1295
01:00:20,818 --> 01:00:23,053
And don't worry
what other people think!
1296
01:00:23,087 --> 01:00:25,756
And don't let your mom talk you
outta makin' monster movies!
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01:00:25,790 --> 01:00:27,324
I told my mom, I said.
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01:00:27,357 --> 01:00:28,893
My mom said,
"David I wish you'd grow up,
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01:00:28,926 --> 01:00:31,095
and do somethin' more
constructive with your time!"
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01:00:31,128 --> 01:00:33,831
I said, "Mom, you can't stop me
from makin' movies,
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01:00:33,864 --> 01:00:35,933
because you know
I'm gonna do it anyway!"
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01:00:35,966 --> 01:00:38,502
[80's synth pop music]
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01:00:45,676 --> 01:00:48,612
The infamous glitch that all
video store owners know.
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01:00:48,645 --> 01:00:51,348
When you're watching and there's
a glitch, and you're like,
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01:00:51,381 --> 01:00:53,517
"Oh, it's gonna get nude
in two seconds."
1306
01:00:53,550 --> 01:00:57,487
Here's a news flash, nudity was
gigantic with teenage boys.
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01:00:57,521 --> 01:01:00,324
It was a big thing
back in the 80's.
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01:01:00,357 --> 01:01:02,259
Watching a video tape as a kid,
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01:01:02,292 --> 01:01:04,161
when you can
start to see the lines
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01:01:04,194 --> 01:01:05,462
rolling through the picture
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01:01:05,495 --> 01:01:07,998
you know that someone's watched
it a lot at that point,
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01:01:08,032 --> 01:01:10,300
and you know that there's
gonna be tits coming on soon.
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01:01:10,334 --> 01:01:13,003
You get ready, you sit up
in your chair, 'cause you think,
1314
01:01:13,037 --> 01:01:15,572
"Holy shit, some fuckin'
weird pervert
1315
01:01:15,605 --> 01:01:18,008
has watched this part
so many times
1316
01:01:18,042 --> 01:01:20,677
that I'm ready
for the money shot."
1317
01:01:20,711 --> 01:01:24,148
When you watch a VHS tape,
there's almost like a archeology
1318
01:01:24,181 --> 01:01:25,349
that you can do on it.
1319
01:01:25,382 --> 01:01:27,918
Where there's history written
into the physical material
1320
01:01:27,952 --> 01:01:29,486
of the thing itself.
1321
01:01:29,519 --> 01:01:31,355
You get to see the parts that
are really beat up.
1322
01:01:31,388 --> 01:01:33,123
You know that someone
rewound that
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01:01:33,157 --> 01:01:34,391
and watched it over and over.
1324
01:01:34,424 --> 01:01:35,659
It's like the part
where there's boobs
1325
01:01:35,692 --> 01:01:37,094
or the part where
the guy explodes.
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01:01:37,127 --> 01:01:38,963
You know that was
someone's favorite part
1327
01:01:38,996 --> 01:01:40,998
and they couldn't get enough.
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01:01:44,501 --> 01:01:46,536
[screaming]
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01:01:49,874 --> 01:01:53,310
That was the first, I think,
anybody had the power
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01:01:53,343 --> 01:01:54,945
over being able to see boobs,
1331
01:01:54,979 --> 01:01:57,047
again and again and again
and again and again.
1332
01:01:57,081 --> 01:01:59,449
Cable had been
a reality in our lives,
1333
01:01:59,483 --> 01:02:02,853
so you could see boobs...
but then they were gone.
1334
01:02:02,887 --> 01:02:04,488
And they were just
a golden memory.
1335
01:02:04,521 --> 01:02:07,157
I had a video tape of
Kentucky Fried Movie
1336
01:02:07,191 --> 01:02:08,658
and I lent it to a friend.
1337
01:02:08,692 --> 01:02:10,094
And when he gave it back,
it was like,
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01:02:10,127 --> 01:02:11,762
every 10 minutes or something,
it would just go
1339
01:02:11,796 --> 01:02:12,897
flip flip flip flip flip.
1340
01:02:12,930 --> 01:02:14,698
And I'd be like, "You watched
all those nude scenes
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01:02:14,731 --> 01:02:17,201
over and over again
in one weekend!
1342
01:02:17,234 --> 01:02:19,069
Because now my tape is ruined.
1343
01:02:19,103 --> 01:02:21,038
But it's also kind of funny.
1344
01:02:21,071 --> 01:02:24,074
And whenever I watch it, I can
think of you being gross...
1345
01:02:24,108 --> 01:02:25,409
and hilarious."
1346
01:02:25,442 --> 01:02:28,645
My Ghostbusters tape, I bet
people can't even make out
1347
01:02:28,678 --> 01:02:30,080
the whole scene where he goes,
1348
01:02:30,114 --> 01:02:32,216
"I came, I saw,
I kicked some ass"
1349
01:02:32,249 --> 01:02:34,651
because I thought that was
the greatest shit ever
1350
01:02:34,684 --> 01:02:35,485
when I was a kid.
1351
01:02:35,519 --> 01:02:37,087
I rewound that scene,
I was like,
1352
01:02:37,121 --> 01:02:40,524
"Whoa, he kicked some ass, that
is what Ghostbusters do."
1353
01:02:40,557 --> 01:02:43,961
We had a guy at one of our
video stores that I worked at,
1354
01:02:43,994 --> 01:02:46,163
where we eventually had
to cancel his membership
1355
01:02:46,196 --> 01:02:47,697
because we figured out
it was him.
1356
01:02:47,731 --> 01:02:52,937
But his hobby was renting
children's movies,
1357
01:02:52,970 --> 01:02:56,540
and then splicing in pornography
in the middle of them
1358
01:02:56,573 --> 01:02:58,275
and returning them to us.
1359
01:02:58,308 --> 01:02:59,977
So they'd go back on our
rental shelves.
1360
01:03:00,010 --> 01:03:02,012
I have finished planting
detonators.
1361
01:03:02,046 --> 01:03:04,681
We have less than two minutes!
1362
01:03:07,918 --> 01:03:10,921
[moaning]
1363
01:03:12,056 --> 01:03:13,723
It entertained this guy.
1364
01:03:13,757 --> 01:03:15,359
And with VHS
1365
01:03:15,392 --> 01:03:17,161
that was a tangible thing
he could do it to.
1366
01:03:17,194 --> 01:03:21,498
My friend lent me a tape of a
movie he taped for me recently.
1367
01:03:21,531 --> 01:03:22,799
I went all the way
to the end of the tape
1368
01:03:22,833 --> 01:03:25,402
just to see how many layers
of things has he taped over
1369
01:03:25,435 --> 01:03:26,536
and what were they.
1370
01:03:26,570 --> 01:03:29,573
And you kinda catch the tail-end
of a movie from Cinemax
1371
01:03:29,606 --> 01:03:31,942
or, like, a music video,
or this TV show,
1372
01:03:31,976 --> 01:03:33,077
all the way to the something
1373
01:03:33,110 --> 01:03:35,579
that was taped originally
from 1987.
1374
01:03:35,612 --> 01:03:37,647
And it was really great
just to see
1375
01:03:37,681 --> 01:03:40,851
who this guy- you know,
what he was watching,
1376
01:03:40,885 --> 01:03:42,652
for the past 25 years.
1377
01:03:42,686 --> 01:03:44,955
Lawrence of Arabia is one of
my favorite films.
1378
01:03:44,989 --> 01:03:47,524
And when I go see a print
of that in the theater,
1379
01:03:47,557 --> 01:03:53,263
every scratch, every break,
every place you see a splice,
1380
01:03:53,297 --> 01:03:54,598
there's a story behind that.
1381
01:03:54,631 --> 01:03:56,433
Something happened
with that movie,
1382
01:03:56,466 --> 01:03:57,667
something happened
with that print
1383
01:03:57,701 --> 01:03:59,669
when it was
shown to an audience.
1384
01:03:59,703 --> 01:04:02,973
And there's something about that
that, to me,
1385
01:04:03,007 --> 01:04:04,241
is really kinda special
1386
01:04:04,274 --> 01:04:07,177
'cause you know that print's had
some life and some legs on it.
1387
01:04:07,211 --> 01:04:08,412
VHS could do that.
1388
01:04:08,445 --> 01:04:12,016
It's almost like VHS has a
built-in hit counter.
1389
01:04:12,049 --> 01:04:15,419
In that, like, you can tell how
many times it's been copied
1390
01:04:15,452 --> 01:04:16,486
by the way that it looks.
1391
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:19,423
And so, you knew that when you
got a tape,
1392
01:04:19,456 --> 01:04:21,491
if you were in tape trading,
1393
01:04:21,525 --> 01:04:24,161
like, the shittier it looked
and the worse it sounded,
1394
01:04:24,194 --> 01:04:25,963
you just knew it was
gonna be gold
1395
01:04:25,996 --> 01:04:28,798
because that meant that
10 people before you
1396
01:04:28,832 --> 01:04:31,335
had copied it, and thought that
it was funny enough,
1397
01:04:31,368 --> 01:04:34,038
or great enough, or weird
enough, to make a copy
1398
01:04:34,071 --> 01:04:35,973
and then pass it
to their friends,
who thought the same thing.
1399
01:04:36,006 --> 01:04:39,343
So it was like this vetting
process, you know, where...
1400
01:04:39,376 --> 01:04:42,279
Uh, this distillery of images,
or something.
1401
01:04:42,312 --> 01:04:44,814
So that by the time you got it,
it was like, potent
1402
01:04:44,848 --> 01:04:46,550
and, you know,
1403
01:04:46,583 --> 01:04:49,486
gonna get you high. [laughs]
1404
01:04:49,519 --> 01:04:51,521
Priest is bad, man.
1405
01:04:51,555 --> 01:04:53,823
Priest is number one
in heavy metal, man.
1406
01:04:53,857 --> 01:04:57,261
And then who comes next?
Iron Maiden, man.
1407
01:04:57,294 --> 01:04:58,295
[Jeff Krulick]
What would you say
1408
01:04:58,328 --> 01:05:00,564
if you saw Rob Halford
right now?
1409
01:05:00,597 --> 01:05:03,767
I'd jump his bones!
1410
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,303
[Krulick] What do you think, uh-
What do you like about him?
1411
01:05:06,336 --> 01:05:09,873
He's great, man, he
sings great. Group's great.
1412
01:05:09,906 --> 01:05:11,208
[Krulick] How 'bout Dokken?
1413
01:05:11,241 --> 01:05:13,343
Great. Excellent.
1414
01:05:13,377 --> 01:05:14,878
[Krulick] Are you fucked up?
1415
01:05:14,911 --> 01:05:15,779
Half and half.
1416
01:05:15,812 --> 01:05:17,747
The Southpark
Christmas Special,
1417
01:05:17,781 --> 01:05:18,949
I never had a copy of that
1418
01:05:18,983 --> 01:05:21,218
and somebody I knew had it
and they were like,
1419
01:05:21,251 --> 01:05:22,886
"Really? You don't have a copy?
That's crazy.
1420
01:05:22,919 --> 01:05:24,321
Everybody has a copy of this."
1421
01:05:24,354 --> 01:05:26,256
And so I was like,
"Well, make me a copy.
1422
01:05:26,290 --> 01:05:29,193
You know, just, come on, if
everybody has it, give me one."
1423
01:05:29,226 --> 01:05:32,296
I remember the guy being like,
"Well, what do you have for me?"
1424
01:05:32,329 --> 01:05:33,597
And that was the first moment
where I was like,
1425
01:05:33,630 --> 01:05:36,900
"Oh... That's right,
tape trading."
1426
01:05:36,933 --> 01:05:39,769
The Winnebago concepts
and engineering departments
1427
01:05:39,803 --> 01:05:41,871
have developed a
multi-functional bathroom
1428
01:05:41,905 --> 01:05:44,374
privacy I don't even know
what the fuck I'm reading.
1429
01:05:44,408 --> 01:05:47,277
I wonder what the fuck
the real dialogue is.
1430
01:05:47,311 --> 01:05:48,678
What the fuck is this thing?
1431
01:05:48,712 --> 01:05:51,248
Oh, the windshield
for fuck's sake.
1432
01:05:51,281 --> 01:05:55,152
I gave that guy a collection
I had gotten from somebody else,
1433
01:05:55,185 --> 01:05:56,486
that had Winnebago Man on it.
1434
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,522
That had Larry Williams,
it had Jesco,
1435
01:05:58,555 --> 01:06:00,324
It had the Jackass pilot,
1436
01:06:00,357 --> 01:06:02,159
The best of the worst of
Star Search,
1437
01:06:02,192 --> 01:06:03,627
which was really awesome.
1438
01:06:03,660 --> 01:06:05,429
And I got the
Southpark Christmas Special.
1439
01:06:05,462 --> 01:06:06,896
Dude!
- What?
1440
01:06:06,930 --> 01:06:09,533
Don't put the magic hat
on the snowman.
1441
01:06:09,566 --> 01:06:10,500
Why?
1442
01:06:10,534 --> 01:06:13,537
'Cause if you do he's gonna
come to life.
1443
01:06:13,570 --> 01:06:14,604
Cool!
1444
01:06:14,638 --> 01:06:16,173
No it's not cool!
1445
01:06:16,206 --> 01:06:20,044
My sister in Minnesota
put a hat on a snowman
1446
01:06:20,077 --> 01:06:21,411
and it tried to kill her!
1447
01:06:21,445 --> 01:06:23,413
Fuck him, let's do it anyway.
- Yeah.
1448
01:06:23,447 --> 01:06:26,316
I decided to get
in this business.
1449
01:06:26,350 --> 01:06:28,752
One, it was economics,
I didn't have really a job,
1450
01:06:28,785 --> 01:06:30,220
I was working
at a porno theater,
1451
01:06:30,254 --> 01:06:33,123
I'd just had a son.
What am I gonna do with my life?
1452
01:06:33,157 --> 01:06:35,359
So the very first thing I did
was the obvious.
1453
01:06:35,392 --> 01:06:37,361
I took out a little ad,
30 titles.
1454
01:06:37,394 --> 01:06:40,497
Mexican horror titles
and some other obscurities.
1455
01:06:40,530 --> 01:06:42,366
I ran that ad
for a couple months.
1456
01:06:42,399 --> 01:06:43,367
And I remember how it happened.
1457
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,335
The first week I got,
like $500 in the mail,
1458
01:06:45,369 --> 01:06:47,003
I was like, "Oh my god."
1459
01:06:47,037 --> 01:06:48,472
Make my copies, send 'em out.
1460
01:06:48,505 --> 01:06:51,508
And then the next week $1000,
the next week,
1461
01:06:51,541 --> 01:06:53,610
"Oh my god, this is insane."
1462
01:06:53,643 --> 01:06:56,246
So I- I quit my job...
1463
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:58,048
and I started
being a bootlegger.
1464
01:06:58,082 --> 01:06:59,249
This was before the internet.
1465
01:06:59,283 --> 01:07:02,052
You'd read someone's ad in a
magazine and you'd respond,
1466
01:07:02,086 --> 01:07:04,288
and you would write down what
you had and what he had,
1467
01:07:04,321 --> 01:07:05,422
and you would trade.
1468
01:07:05,455 --> 01:07:08,024
And you'd make a copy
and it was usually bad,
1469
01:07:08,058 --> 01:07:09,459
four or five generations later,
1470
01:07:09,493 --> 01:07:11,695
but you'd still get to see
the movie you wanted.
1471
01:07:11,728 --> 01:07:12,929
And what started happening,
1472
01:07:12,962 --> 01:07:14,364
as I started to get into
more and more
1473
01:07:14,398 --> 01:07:15,565
extreme type of films,
1474
01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:17,867
is things would be
taken by customs.
1475
01:07:17,901 --> 01:07:20,137
It was really funny because
they've got this checklist,
1476
01:07:20,170 --> 01:07:23,873
and it said, "Your product has
been seized by Canada customs."
1477
01:07:23,907 --> 01:07:25,575
And I remember twice,
1478
01:07:25,609 --> 01:07:28,545
I ordered tapes that got
seized at the border.
1479
01:07:28,578 --> 01:07:29,879
and one of them was
Nekromantik.
1480
01:07:29,913 --> 01:07:32,616
The "necrophilia" box was
checked. [laughs]
1481
01:07:32,649 --> 01:07:35,018
If you were ordering a movie
that was banned or prohibited,
1482
01:07:35,051 --> 01:07:38,455
you'd have the guy tape, like,
an episode of All in the Family
1483
01:07:38,488 --> 01:07:40,056
for like the first
five or ten minutes.
1484
01:07:40,090 --> 01:07:41,625
Of course, you're not gonna
have the tape labeled
1485
01:07:41,658 --> 01:07:42,592
Degradation of the Shit
Eaters, Volume 6,
1486
01:07:42,626 --> 01:07:43,793
or something like that.
1487
01:07:43,827 --> 01:07:45,929
He's gonna put, you know,
"All in the Family Reruns,"
1488
01:07:45,962 --> 01:07:46,763
or something like that.
1489
01:07:46,796 --> 01:07:48,532
That was a pretty solid trick.
1490
01:07:48,565 --> 01:07:51,000
To me, it wasn't offensive
in any way
1491
01:07:51,034 --> 01:07:52,802
because these films were
impossible to find.
1492
01:07:52,836 --> 01:07:55,004
And what they were doing was
helping spread these movies
1493
01:07:55,038 --> 01:07:57,341
and getting them out to people
to actually see them.
1494
01:07:57,374 --> 01:07:59,743
I think that's why in the
DVD market, in the beginning,
1495
01:07:59,776 --> 01:08:02,112
you were seeing large units
of things move,
1496
01:08:02,146 --> 01:08:04,581
because they could go to
a convention like this,
1497
01:08:04,614 --> 01:08:08,652
and say, "Oh, okay, those guys
were moving that many bootlegs,
1498
01:08:08,685 --> 01:08:10,454
or that many trades
amongst them.
1499
01:08:10,487 --> 01:08:13,790
It's a safe bet to put out a
nice remastered copy."
1500
01:08:13,823 --> 01:08:15,625
But I think it was
an important time,
1501
01:08:15,659 --> 01:08:18,762
and a lot of movies were
discovered by trading.
1502
01:08:18,795 --> 01:08:20,930
And in the case, specifically of
Dead Next Door,
1503
01:08:20,964 --> 01:08:22,566
there was such a long
window of time,
1504
01:08:22,599 --> 01:08:25,235
from the time it was made to the
time it actually came out,
1505
01:08:25,269 --> 01:08:26,836
that it was bootlegged a lot.
1506
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:28,037
But it benefitted the movie
1507
01:08:28,071 --> 01:08:29,973
because everybody
found out about it that way.
1508
01:08:30,006 --> 01:08:32,075
We didn't have to go out and do
a bunch of publicity,
1509
01:08:32,108 --> 01:08:33,443
the publicity came to us.
1510
01:08:33,477 --> 01:08:35,078
[speaking Japanese]
1511
01:09:22,158 --> 01:09:24,694
It's kinda funny, you know, I'm
dealing with these companies...
1512
01:09:24,728 --> 01:09:26,095
I think they know,
maybe they don't,
1513
01:09:26,129 --> 01:09:27,697
but I feel kinda g- you know,
1514
01:09:27,731 --> 01:09:30,133
I maybe bootlegged
some of their stuff in the past,
1515
01:09:30,166 --> 01:09:32,068
and now I'm dealing with them
on a professional level,
1516
01:09:32,101 --> 01:09:33,337
playing their movies
in the theater,
1517
01:09:33,370 --> 01:09:35,239
but... these guys all know.
1518
01:09:35,272 --> 01:09:38,141
I mean, any guy that's gonna be
hypocritical and say, you know,
1519
01:09:38,174 --> 01:09:39,209
"You're bootlegging
Cannibal Holocaust,"
1520
01:09:39,243 --> 01:09:40,977
well the first time you saw
Cannibal Holocaust
1521
01:09:41,010 --> 01:09:42,178
was via a pirated tape.
1522
01:09:42,212 --> 01:09:44,448
And talk about
cruelty to animals,
1523
01:09:44,481 --> 01:09:46,550
McDonald's has to be
on top of the list.
1524
01:09:46,583 --> 01:09:49,253
I mean, when you think about
those poor little McChickens
1525
01:09:49,286 --> 01:09:52,088
walking around without their
McNuggets. [laughter]
1526
01:09:53,957 --> 01:09:55,892
I think the appeal of
this type of material
1527
01:09:55,925 --> 01:09:59,563
that VHS definitely encouraged
and helped spread,
1528
01:09:59,596 --> 01:10:01,265
these viral videos,
1529
01:10:01,298 --> 01:10:04,534
are that they capture
something authentic
1530
01:10:04,568 --> 01:10:07,304
that wasn't meant
to be captured.
1531
01:10:07,337 --> 01:10:09,973
We finally go to the point,
I think in the last five years,
1532
01:10:10,006 --> 01:10:13,410
where just everything
truly is ours now.
1533
01:10:13,443 --> 01:10:16,613
Where, when you put something
out there, I'm sorry,
1534
01:10:16,646 --> 01:10:19,716
it's just- it's not yours
anymore. It's everyone's.
1535
01:10:19,749 --> 01:10:22,686
Before, you would have-
and in a way it was patriarchal,
1536
01:10:22,719 --> 01:10:24,120
and it was problematic,
1537
01:10:24,153 --> 01:10:25,355
'cause you would have to wait
for someone else
1538
01:10:25,389 --> 01:10:27,957
to approve of what you were
saying and presenting,
1539
01:10:27,991 --> 01:10:29,993
and have to go through
that whole dance.
1540
01:10:30,026 --> 01:10:32,396
But, in that there was a pre
selection process,
1541
01:10:32,429 --> 01:10:35,198
so that, by the time something
got to the screen,
1542
01:10:35,231 --> 01:10:37,801
you knew that someone thought
that it was worth something.
1543
01:10:37,834 --> 01:10:40,069
You look at YouTube and you're
like, "I love cat videos."
1544
01:10:40,103 --> 01:10:42,606
I could spend a good portion of-
and perhaps I do
1545
01:10:42,639 --> 01:10:44,408
spend a good portion of my day
watching cat videos.
1546
01:10:44,441 --> 01:10:46,109
Cat videos have
always been important.
1547
01:10:46,142 --> 01:10:52,048
If you look at what people were
shooting on film for home movies
1548
01:10:52,081 --> 01:10:53,483
in the 50's and 60's,
1549
01:10:53,517 --> 01:10:55,184
they were filming their cats.
1550
01:10:55,218 --> 01:11:00,256
But I think the incredible
pressure now is to understand
1551
01:11:00,290 --> 01:11:01,858
what it is you need to watch.
1552
01:11:01,891 --> 01:11:04,093
And the orthodoxy
comes really from
1553
01:11:04,127 --> 01:11:05,629
what other people are
clicking into.
1554
01:11:05,662 --> 01:11:07,564
And then the question is,
"Well, how do they find that?
1555
01:11:07,597 --> 01:11:09,399
And how is that discovered?
1556
01:11:09,433 --> 01:11:10,967
[speaking Japanese]
1557
01:11:28,352 --> 01:11:31,388
Duane, I was wondering, what
fashion trends do you follow?
1558
01:11:31,421 --> 01:11:33,790
Well I usually look
in magazines or...
1559
01:11:33,823 --> 01:11:35,124
see what the kids
at school are wearing.
1560
01:11:35,158 --> 01:11:37,193
Duane!
1561
01:11:38,962 --> 01:11:41,631
Already you can see
a remix culture
1562
01:11:41,665 --> 01:11:44,768
appropriating different clips
to do different things with it
1563
01:11:44,801 --> 01:11:48,004
besides just what the producers
in a centralized industry,
1564
01:11:48,037 --> 01:11:49,439
such as Hollywood,
1565
01:11:49,473 --> 01:11:52,876
or the New York television
networks do with it.
1566
01:11:52,909 --> 01:11:56,380
I don't watch stuff that I hate
and then put it on there,
1567
01:11:56,413 --> 01:11:58,147
which I think
a lot of people think,
for Everything is Terrible!
1568
01:11:58,181 --> 01:12:00,850
They think, "Oh, it sucks so
you gotta put it up there."
1569
01:12:00,884 --> 01:12:02,886
It's like, no, I don't wanna
put anything up
1570
01:12:02,919 --> 01:12:03,920
unless it's incredible.
1571
01:12:03,953 --> 01:12:05,522
Crack cocaine.
- Coke!
1572
01:12:05,555 --> 01:12:07,090
And this is
what you smoke it in.
1573
01:12:07,123 --> 01:12:08,024
It's awesome!
1574
01:12:08,057 --> 01:12:11,895
Makes you feel good all over.
1575
01:12:11,928 --> 01:12:13,296
Yes, some of the stuff we do
1576
01:12:13,329 --> 01:12:15,098
doesn't show people in
the best light ever.
1577
01:12:15,131 --> 01:12:18,602
But... they did produce
that stuff to begin with,
1578
01:12:18,635 --> 01:12:20,236
we're just spitting it back out.
1579
01:12:20,269 --> 01:12:22,138
I'm Fabio.
- I'm Micky Dolenz.
1580
01:12:22,171 --> 01:12:24,140
I'm Al Michaels.
- I'm retarded.
1581
01:12:24,173 --> 01:12:26,075
Hey Toby, you da man.
1582
01:12:26,109 --> 01:12:28,545
Oh, Mr. White, I'm just a tire.
1583
01:12:28,578 --> 01:12:30,714
There's so much
undiscovered stuff still.
1584
01:12:30,747 --> 01:12:32,315
How can we share that
with everybody?
1585
01:12:32,348 --> 01:12:34,984
Let's just organize this
as best we can,
1586
01:12:35,018 --> 01:12:36,386
because that's really all it is,
1587
01:12:36,420 --> 01:12:39,222
is just kind of taking control
over those tapes.
1588
01:12:39,255 --> 01:12:45,094
[cartoon punching sounds]
1589
01:12:45,128 --> 01:12:47,296
[explosion]
1590
01:12:47,330 --> 01:12:48,832
Whoo!
- That's right, little buddy.
1591
01:12:48,865 --> 01:12:51,435
Get away!
- Oh my god!
1592
01:12:51,468 --> 01:12:55,905
So it's fascinating that
these technologies,
1593
01:12:55,939 --> 01:13:00,376
you know, leapfrog each other,
building new uses.
1594
01:13:00,410 --> 01:13:02,512
And none of this is driven by
1595
01:13:02,546 --> 01:13:05,515
people really anticipating what
the new use will be.
1596
01:13:05,549 --> 01:13:07,851
It's almost like you have to
build a machine
1597
01:13:07,884 --> 01:13:10,487
and then see
what people do with it.
1598
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,156
There's really no need
for archaic things
1599
01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:14,724
like cable anymore.
1600
01:13:14,758 --> 01:13:17,727
Stuff like that. It's like,
"Why would you do that,
1601
01:13:17,761 --> 01:13:21,898
when you can literally watch
whatever you want at any time."
1602
01:13:21,931 --> 01:13:24,100
I guess there are people
that are collectors,
1603
01:13:24,133 --> 01:13:27,403
and put things on their shelves,
and it reflects who they are,
1604
01:13:27,437 --> 01:13:29,439
and I think that that's a loss.
1605
01:13:29,473 --> 01:13:31,941
But I, um,
1606
01:13:31,975 --> 01:13:35,044
I think that there'll be
virtual ways for us to collect,
1607
01:13:35,078 --> 01:13:36,446
and we're gonna figure that out.
1608
01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:38,915
I'm sure studios
are really excited
1609
01:13:38,948 --> 01:13:40,416
about the way things are going,
1610
01:13:40,450 --> 01:13:43,487
about the fact that there's not
going to be physical media.
1611
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:45,855
I mean, the Walt Disney
corporation, you know,
1612
01:13:45,889 --> 01:13:47,123
is made up of lovely people,
1613
01:13:47,156 --> 01:13:49,292
but that whole idea of
The Disney Vault,
1614
01:13:49,325 --> 01:13:52,562
"We're putting The Lion King
back in the Disney Video Vault
1615
01:13:52,596 --> 01:13:54,798
so you can't buy it again
for a while."
1616
01:13:54,831 --> 01:13:57,166
It's a completely artificial
sense of scarcity,
1617
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,569
designed to create a completely
artificial sense of demand.
1618
01:13:59,603 --> 01:14:04,474
Studios are now
completely dominating
1619
01:14:04,508 --> 01:14:05,875
what is available to you.
1620
01:14:05,909 --> 01:14:08,377
And they are completely in
control of what you can have.
1621
01:14:08,411 --> 01:14:11,080
And they can give that to you
and they can take that away,
1622
01:14:11,114 --> 01:14:12,882
like a malevolent god.
1623
01:14:12,916 --> 01:14:16,720
It infuriates me. The notion of
somebody else having control
1624
01:14:16,753 --> 01:14:19,188
over my access to media in
general bothers me.
1625
01:14:19,222 --> 01:14:21,858
When I read the story
about the Kindle
1626
01:14:21,891 --> 01:14:24,794
and how all the people who
had purchased,
1627
01:14:24,828 --> 01:14:26,395
it couldn't have been
a more ironic title,
1628
01:14:26,429 --> 01:14:28,431
George Orwell's 1984,
1629
01:14:28,464 --> 01:14:31,267
woke up one morning, because of
a licensing disagreement,
1630
01:14:31,300 --> 01:14:34,571
it was gone. It just wasn't
on their Kindle anymore.
1631
01:14:34,604 --> 01:14:35,872
That's terrifying.
1632
01:14:35,905 --> 01:14:38,575
That is absolutely not
1633
01:14:38,608 --> 01:14:41,210
in the spirit of
purchasing something.
1634
01:14:41,244 --> 01:14:43,747
That word becomes
meaningless at that point.
1635
01:14:43,780 --> 01:14:47,250
You don't purchase
digital media. You rent it.
1636
01:14:47,283 --> 01:14:48,652
And it's at their pleasure.
1637
01:14:48,685 --> 01:14:52,856
The reality is all physical
media is going away. All of it.
1638
01:14:52,889 --> 01:14:57,126
On a business standpoint, if it
takes off, it'll be good for us,
1639
01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:59,696
because we won't
have manufacturing.
1640
01:14:59,729 --> 01:15:03,833
We won't have to do all those
extras and the supplements,
1641
01:15:03,867 --> 01:15:05,802
and the interviews,
and the documentaries
1642
01:15:05,835 --> 01:15:09,839
and the paper labeling,
and the shipping.
1643
01:15:09,873 --> 01:15:13,543
So you think about it, and it
sounds like a great idea.
1644
01:15:13,577 --> 01:15:16,512
But then, it kinda goes against
what I like.
1645
01:15:16,546 --> 01:15:18,247
And, you know, collecting.
1646
01:15:18,281 --> 01:15:20,516
With Netflix, with torrenting,
1647
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:22,552
it's hard to want to go out
to a video store.
1648
01:15:22,586 --> 01:15:24,020
Like its hard
for me at this point.
1649
01:15:24,053 --> 01:15:26,255
I don't really go
to the video store
as much as I'd like to anymore.
1650
01:15:26,289 --> 01:15:29,492
This is where we keep
most of our video tapes.
1651
01:15:29,525 --> 01:15:33,029
Sadly, I had to, the other day,
move them all
1652
01:15:33,062 --> 01:15:36,566
to make room for Blu-Ray...
boo ray.
1653
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,402
If DVD was a short lifespan,
1654
01:15:39,435 --> 01:15:42,071
Blu-Ray's gonna be, like,
gone before you know it.
1655
01:15:42,105 --> 01:15:43,239
It's already stupid.
1656
01:15:43,272 --> 01:15:45,408
Honestly the primary reason
to keep something physical
1657
01:15:45,441 --> 01:15:47,010
is nostalgia.
1658
01:15:47,043 --> 01:15:49,145
We'll continue to put out
physical media
1659
01:15:49,178 --> 01:15:51,114
until the plants close.
1660
01:15:51,147 --> 01:15:53,983
My 18, 19 year old students,
1661
01:15:54,017 --> 01:15:56,285
who love film,
are passionate about film,
1662
01:15:56,319 --> 01:16:00,890
seem to have no interest
in having a video collection.
1663
01:16:00,924 --> 01:16:03,793
You can't begrudge
this generation
1664
01:16:03,827 --> 01:16:05,528
not wanting to collect this,
1665
01:16:05,561 --> 01:16:07,263
because it's too accessible.
1666
01:16:07,296 --> 01:16:09,432
It seems to be splitting
down the middle,
1667
01:16:09,465 --> 01:16:13,369
to people who are going to go
to the ends of the earth
1668
01:16:13,402 --> 01:16:17,173
to keep the old stuff,
the old ways.
1669
01:16:17,206 --> 01:16:19,375
And then it's the other side
that are just-
1670
01:16:19,408 --> 01:16:21,344
they don't want
anything anymore.
1671
01:16:21,377 --> 01:16:23,346
It's gotta be non-physical media
1672
01:16:23,379 --> 01:16:25,581
that they can keep
on a hard drive
1673
01:16:25,615 --> 01:16:27,684
or just have it streamed to 'em
and forget about it.
1674
01:16:27,717 --> 01:16:30,820
And then the other guys that are
going to build a shrine.
1675
01:16:30,854 --> 01:16:35,725
I have more than enough to keep
me busy for 10,000 lifetimes.
1676
01:16:35,759 --> 01:16:37,694
Um, for future generations,
1677
01:16:37,727 --> 01:16:39,328
I don't give a fuck
about those people.
1678
01:16:39,362 --> 01:16:41,865
I love streaming
as a technology...
1679
01:16:41,898 --> 01:16:43,633
I'm gonna hang on to my DVDs,
1680
01:16:43,667 --> 01:16:45,201
I'm gonna hang on to
my Blu-Rays.
1681
01:16:45,234 --> 01:16:48,604
Just as as much as I love
iTunes and Spotify,
1682
01:16:48,638 --> 01:16:50,874
I still have a record player,
because I like it.
1683
01:16:50,907 --> 01:16:52,375
[speaking Japanese]
1684
01:17:03,386 --> 01:17:05,354
People stopped buying video
1685
01:17:05,388 --> 01:17:07,724
as soon as the content
was cheaper
1686
01:17:07,757 --> 01:17:09,625
and even easier to consume.
1687
01:17:09,659 --> 01:17:11,728
And then we found out that
the masses don't care
1688
01:17:11,761 --> 01:17:13,930
about bonus features
or optimum quality.
1689
01:17:13,963 --> 01:17:15,331
It's only the collector market
that does.
1690
01:17:15,364 --> 01:17:18,367
Netflix Instant is a
really important step
1691
01:17:18,401 --> 01:17:20,436
towards what the studios want.
1692
01:17:20,469 --> 01:17:21,771
And I think what you'll
eventually do is
1693
01:17:21,805 --> 01:17:24,507
you'll have a pipe
that comes into your house,
1694
01:17:24,540 --> 01:17:27,744
and you will subscribe to
whichever libraries you want.
1695
01:17:27,777 --> 01:17:30,346
The MGM library,
the Warner Brothers library,
1696
01:17:30,379 --> 01:17:32,181
the Sony library.
1697
01:17:32,215 --> 01:17:35,084
That's where we're headed,
we're headed towards...
1698
01:17:35,118 --> 01:17:38,587
no money on their end,
in terms of physical units.
1699
01:17:38,621 --> 01:17:42,959
I mean, I imagine it's just all
gonna be on access eventually.
1700
01:17:42,992 --> 01:17:44,593
Well technically, it already is,
1701
01:17:44,627 --> 01:17:46,395
but people some people
don't wanna admit it.
1702
01:17:46,429 --> 01:17:47,897
[speaking Japanese]
1703
01:18:20,529 --> 01:18:23,666
We're talking about VHS, but I
only have video tapes
1704
01:18:23,699 --> 01:18:26,302
because that's the way that
I can find that movie.
1705
01:18:26,335 --> 01:18:29,172
And if that came out
in a different manner,
1706
01:18:29,205 --> 01:18:32,541
like, if that was available on a
DVD, or only on Blu-Ray,
1707
01:18:32,575 --> 01:18:33,542
I'd watch it.
1708
01:18:33,576 --> 01:18:36,145
I mean now that I'm a
film programmer,
1709
01:18:36,179 --> 01:18:37,680
I'm more aware there's films
1710
01:18:37,713 --> 01:18:40,249
where the filmmaker doesn't have
any other materials.
1711
01:18:40,283 --> 01:18:44,720
So essentially, until somebody
finds a negative, finds a print,
1712
01:18:44,754 --> 01:18:47,857
the best source in the world
is a VHS.
1713
01:18:47,891 --> 01:18:49,325
Which is a little scary.
1714
01:18:49,358 --> 01:18:52,195
Video preservation is the
nightmare in the closet
1715
01:18:52,228 --> 01:18:53,897
that no one is talking about.
1716
01:18:53,930 --> 01:18:55,531
Everybody likes to talk about
film preservation.
1717
01:18:55,564 --> 01:18:57,600
Martin Scorsese is out there,
you know,
1718
01:18:57,633 --> 01:19:00,603
proclaiming the love of film
and all this,
1719
01:19:00,636 --> 01:19:01,771
but in actual fact,
1720
01:19:01,805 --> 01:19:03,973
everybody knows that in
Scorsese's back closet
1721
01:19:04,007 --> 01:19:06,675
he's got a lot of videos
that are just a hot mess.
1722
01:19:06,709 --> 01:19:08,177
I think that most people
1723
01:19:08,211 --> 01:19:10,346
that really started collecting
in the 80's
1724
01:19:10,379 --> 01:19:12,048
are probably going to see,
at least,
1725
01:19:12,081 --> 01:19:14,683
two out of ten tapes begin now,
1726
01:19:14,717 --> 01:19:19,522
30 years on, 20 years on,
to really not be playable.
1727
01:19:19,555 --> 01:19:20,890
And maybe that's one of the
reasons
1728
01:19:20,924 --> 01:19:22,525
that nostalgia for video is
1729
01:19:22,558 --> 01:19:24,360
going to be so
incredibly poignant,
1730
01:19:24,393 --> 01:19:25,995
I think, going forward,
1731
01:19:26,029 --> 01:19:29,999
is that we're gonna have such a
great, great statistic of loss.
1732
01:19:30,033 --> 01:19:32,135
It seems like
with each iteration
1733
01:19:32,168 --> 01:19:34,170
in home video technology
1734
01:19:34,203 --> 01:19:36,139
we lose a chunk of the library
1735
01:19:36,172 --> 01:19:38,374
of amazing films
that are out there.
1736
01:19:38,407 --> 01:19:40,643
I don't understand
how people can ignore VHS
1737
01:19:40,676 --> 01:19:44,480
because there's such a huge,
huge percentage of movies
1738
01:19:44,513 --> 01:19:46,282
that never came out
any other way.
1739
01:19:46,315 --> 01:19:51,487
So if you're even, like,
a casual fan of movies at all,
1740
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:52,922
you should have a VCR.
1741
01:19:52,956 --> 01:19:54,991
You should be actively
watching stuff on VHS.
1742
01:19:55,024 --> 01:19:58,161
There are hundreds of
thousands of thousands of movies
1743
01:19:58,194 --> 01:20:00,296
that never made the jump to DVD.
1744
01:20:00,329 --> 01:20:01,297
I think probably a lot of people
1745
01:20:01,330 --> 01:20:03,232
think that the fact that
it never jumped to DVD
1746
01:20:03,266 --> 01:20:04,200
is indicative
1747
01:20:04,233 --> 01:20:06,435
that they were poor quality
to begin with.
1748
01:20:06,469 --> 01:20:09,638
No matter what genre of
film you're interested in,
1749
01:20:09,672 --> 01:20:12,608
you're going to find things
that are only on VHS
1750
01:20:12,641 --> 01:20:14,043
within that realm of interest.
1751
01:20:14,077 --> 01:20:15,879
So if you like silent film,
1752
01:20:15,912 --> 01:20:18,915
there's gonna be some
obscure Russian short
1753
01:20:18,948 --> 01:20:22,118
that's only on some tape on
a back shelf of a video store.
1754
01:20:22,151 --> 01:20:24,220
If you like 80's comedies,
1755
01:20:24,253 --> 01:20:26,289
there's gonna be
hundreds and hundreds
1756
01:20:26,322 --> 01:20:28,691
of just the most ridiculous
boner jams
1757
01:20:28,724 --> 01:20:30,960
that you can only watch on tape.
1758
01:20:30,994 --> 01:20:35,498
To select what you love
by it's format...
1759
01:20:35,531 --> 01:20:38,434
cuts you off from something that
you might enjoy...
1760
01:20:38,467 --> 01:20:40,769
more than anything you've ever
seen in your entire life.
1761
01:20:40,803 --> 01:20:44,707
I think that stuff is the-
stands outside of my objections.
1762
01:20:44,740 --> 01:20:48,711
That's very important
that there is a document
1763
01:20:48,744 --> 01:20:52,381
of all those countless hours
of rare stuff.
1764
01:20:52,415 --> 01:20:55,885
In any form whatsoever...
even VHS.
1765
01:20:55,919 --> 01:20:58,254
When it struck us that
other people could have fun
1766
01:20:58,287 --> 01:21:00,456
watching movies
that were only on video,
1767
01:21:00,489 --> 01:21:01,991
we started Video Hate Squad.
1768
01:21:02,025 --> 01:21:03,559
And we had our first show,
1769
01:21:03,592 --> 01:21:04,760
and we got the
whole audience there,
1770
01:21:04,793 --> 01:21:06,429
we have a VCR on the stage
1771
01:21:06,462 --> 01:21:09,498
so we always put the tape in the
VCR in front of the audience
1772
01:21:09,532 --> 01:21:10,666
so they're all
part of that moment.
1773
01:21:10,699 --> 01:21:12,701
Even better than that,
is that all over the world,
1774
01:21:12,735 --> 01:21:14,137
there's other people
that did the
same thing
1775
01:21:14,170 --> 01:21:15,104
at the same time,
1776
01:21:15,138 --> 01:21:16,305
'cause there's this kind of
a zeitgeist
1777
01:21:16,339 --> 01:21:17,473
where people are realizing,
1778
01:21:17,506 --> 01:21:19,342
"Hey, there's a lot of value
in this stuff
1779
01:21:19,375 --> 01:21:21,344
that we've been ignoring."
1780
01:21:28,985 --> 01:21:30,786
I mean, for example,
a movie like Deadly Prey.
1781
01:21:30,819 --> 01:21:32,421
I don't think anyone ever knew
it even came out.
1782
01:21:32,455 --> 01:21:34,257
It was meant to be this
fleeting thing.
1783
01:21:34,290 --> 01:21:35,925
Let's just fill these stores
with content.
1784
01:21:35,959 --> 01:21:38,227
We don't have to worry about
if there's theatrical releases
or not.
1785
01:21:38,261 --> 01:21:39,595
What they didn't realize
is that there were
1786
01:21:39,628 --> 01:21:41,597
so many works of art.
1787
01:21:45,501 --> 01:21:46,202
Grrrrrr!
1788
01:21:46,235 --> 01:21:48,004
Aaaaaaah!
1789
01:21:48,037 --> 01:21:51,007
That's an incredible, incredible
film, and we played a VHS copy,
1790
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:54,577
'cause it's not available
on film or DVD or anything.
1791
01:21:54,610 --> 01:21:55,911
No other format.
1792
01:21:55,945 --> 01:21:58,047
We had Ted Prior come
and we had a talk with him,
1793
01:21:58,081 --> 01:21:59,815
and it was just incredible
1794
01:21:59,848 --> 01:22:01,550
to see this movie
with a bunch of people,
1795
01:22:01,584 --> 01:22:03,886
and just realize no one knows
what's gonna happen next,
1796
01:22:03,919 --> 01:22:05,654
this is completely
unpredictable.
1797
01:22:08,491 --> 01:22:09,758
[scream]
1798
01:22:09,792 --> 01:22:13,529
I knew that VHS collecting was
kind of becoming popular again,
1799
01:22:13,562 --> 01:22:15,764
The House of the Devil, you
gotta give a lot of due to that,
1800
01:22:15,798 --> 01:22:18,601
just the fact that a new movie
was released on VHS,
1801
01:22:18,634 --> 01:22:21,137
it started making me think about
a lot other films like this.
1802
01:22:21,170 --> 01:22:23,072
You know I had a modest
VHS collection,
1803
01:22:23,106 --> 01:22:24,540
but this kinda kick started it
for me a lot.
1804
01:22:24,573 --> 01:22:25,774
They're finally going,
1805
01:22:25,808 --> 01:22:28,211
"Okay, well, there's people
who have this kind of interest,
1806
01:22:28,244 --> 01:22:30,246
so let's market
to them as well."
1807
01:22:30,279 --> 01:22:32,481
The revolution
is still evolving.
1808
01:22:32,515 --> 01:22:35,618
Um, I think, I mean
you're making a documentary
1809
01:22:35,651 --> 01:22:36,752
about video tapes right now.
1810
01:22:36,785 --> 01:22:39,822
I think that there's a huge
VHS resurgence.
1811
01:22:39,855 --> 01:22:43,026
For example Mondo putting out
all these new video tapes,
1812
01:22:43,059 --> 01:22:45,828
that are selling
through hundreds of copies
1813
01:22:45,861 --> 01:22:47,863
in a two hour period.
1814
01:22:47,896 --> 01:22:50,466
Clearly there's still a market
out there for video tapes.
1815
01:22:50,499 --> 01:22:52,368
The boom that's going on today
with the tapes,
1816
01:22:52,401 --> 01:22:53,469
I really just don't get it.
1817
01:22:53,502 --> 01:22:55,138
I'm going on 40 now,
I'm seeing these tape prices,
1818
01:22:55,171 --> 01:22:56,605
going for $400.
1819
01:22:56,639 --> 01:22:58,341
It makes me regret getting rid
of some of the stuff
1820
01:22:58,374 --> 01:23:00,576
that I had at one time,
you know.
1821
01:23:00,609 --> 01:23:03,079
I could be putting my kids
through college, I don't know.
1822
01:23:03,112 --> 01:23:06,249
When LP's had a resurgence
in the 90's,
1823
01:23:06,282 --> 01:23:08,351
what was amazing about that is
that it didn't go away.
1824
01:23:08,384 --> 01:23:10,719
Like, there's still stores
that really
1825
01:23:10,753 --> 01:23:13,289
just exist to sell records.
1826
01:23:13,322 --> 01:23:16,459
But, I don't think that VHS
is going to have
1827
01:23:16,492 --> 01:23:18,494
that same permanent resurgence.
1828
01:23:18,527 --> 01:23:22,965
We can make arguments for
the quality of a vinyl
1829
01:23:22,998 --> 01:23:26,835
and why that presents a
better experience of the music.
1830
01:23:26,869 --> 01:23:29,972
But VHS, it's never going to be
a better experience
1831
01:23:30,005 --> 01:23:33,709
of the raw materials,
it's just...
1832
01:23:33,742 --> 01:23:36,145
the qualities associated
around it.
1833
01:23:36,179 --> 01:23:40,015
I think that there's a nostalgic
need to sort of go back
1834
01:23:40,049 --> 01:23:41,717
and also re-evaluate.
1835
01:23:41,750 --> 01:23:43,052
It was in 2006
1836
01:23:43,086 --> 01:23:44,887
when History of Violence
came out on VHS
1837
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:46,422
and kind of marked
the end of everything.
1838
01:23:46,455 --> 01:23:49,225
That was the last widely
distributed film on VHS.
1839
01:23:49,258 --> 01:23:51,960
My friend Zack called me
and was like,
1840
01:23:51,994 --> 01:23:55,864
"Hey, we're thinking about
getting some VHS tattoos,
1841
01:23:55,898 --> 01:23:58,767
'cause they just
stopped making VHS."
1842
01:23:58,801 --> 01:24:00,403
And I'd never
had a tattoo before
1843
01:24:00,436 --> 01:24:02,271
but it took me less than
two seconds to be like,
1844
01:24:02,305 --> 01:24:05,241
"Yep, I'm with you guys.
I'm gettin' that right there."
1845
01:24:05,274 --> 01:24:07,076
And we all got ours
a little differently,
1846
01:24:07,110 --> 01:24:08,811
like some got, like
"never forget" on it,
1847
01:24:08,844 --> 01:24:11,080
some got the year
that it started and ended.
1848
01:24:11,114 --> 01:24:14,016
I just wanted just
the video on it's own,
1849
01:24:14,049 --> 01:24:19,522
just like the cold-
just the nice-
It looks so strong and great.
1850
01:24:19,555 --> 01:24:21,524
And people ask me all the time,
they'll be like,
1851
01:24:21,557 --> 01:24:23,326
"What is that on your arm?"
1852
01:24:23,359 --> 01:24:24,693
I'll just show it to them
and they'll be like,
1853
01:24:24,727 --> 01:24:25,561
"No, what is that?"
1854
01:24:25,594 --> 01:24:28,131
and I'm like,
"You forgot, obviously"
1855
01:24:28,164 --> 01:24:30,065
When you find
some of these stores
1856
01:24:30,099 --> 01:24:32,268
that have big box video tapes,
1857
01:24:32,301 --> 01:24:34,537
you know they're gonna be
mutant owners
1858
01:24:34,570 --> 01:24:39,642
who have been surrounded by
these relics for so many years.
1859
01:24:39,675 --> 01:24:42,311
And they are part of
their life story
1860
01:24:42,345 --> 01:24:46,482
and I am slowly trying
to drain them of them.
1861
01:24:46,515 --> 01:24:48,517
And like an archeologist
every once in a while
1862
01:24:48,551 --> 01:24:50,853
you'd pull all these tapes out
and at the very bottom,
1863
01:24:50,886 --> 01:24:52,288
covered in dust,
I mean literally,
1864
01:24:52,321 --> 01:24:54,089
your hands would be just
caked in this dust,
1865
01:24:54,123 --> 01:24:57,760
you pull out a video
that's pure gold.
1866
01:24:57,793 --> 01:25:00,263
If I see a flea market,
a swap meet,
1867
01:25:00,296 --> 01:25:02,965
an antique store, a Goodwill,
1868
01:25:02,998 --> 01:25:04,967
It's getting stopped
and it's getting pillaged.
1869
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:06,935
That entails looking
in the phone book,
1870
01:25:06,969 --> 01:25:08,237
looking on the internet.
1871
01:25:08,271 --> 01:25:11,807
Literally driving up and down
every single street that I see.
1872
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:15,077
I've driven probably
a three hour drive radius
1873
01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:17,112
every direction.
1874
01:25:29,225 --> 01:25:30,226
And honestly I think
1875
01:25:30,259 --> 01:25:32,995
that is what the legacy
of the VHS era is,
1876
01:25:33,028 --> 01:25:36,199
it's made us all
much more film savvy.
1877
01:25:36,232 --> 01:25:40,503
It's kind of made people
much more aware of...
1878
01:25:40,536 --> 01:25:42,171
other movies
beyond the ones that were
1879
01:25:42,205 --> 01:25:44,673
fed by the richest companies.
1880
01:25:44,707 --> 01:25:45,941
[speaking Japanese]
1881
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:07,363
The fact that it
made accessible,
1882
01:26:07,396 --> 01:26:09,265
all these generations of films
1883
01:26:09,298 --> 01:26:11,734
which were utterly gone.
I mean just gone.
1884
01:26:11,767 --> 01:26:13,068
No one could see them.
1885
01:26:13,101 --> 01:26:15,538
You know the studios
kept them in the vaults,
1886
01:26:15,571 --> 01:26:16,972
sometimes they
got rid of the negatives,
1887
01:26:17,005 --> 01:26:18,641
didn't think
it mattered anymore.
1888
01:26:19,908 --> 01:26:23,011
You know, home video restored
all that for us, you know,
1889
01:26:23,045 --> 01:26:26,449
and perhaps not always in the
greatest looking form.
1890
01:26:26,482 --> 01:26:28,551
I mean perhaps not always
the way we remembered it,
1891
01:26:28,584 --> 01:26:29,952
but it was accessible.
1892
01:26:29,985 --> 01:26:32,255
I don't think there's
any lasting impact.
1893
01:26:32,288 --> 01:26:35,291
I think it's been just
a passing parade.
1894
01:26:35,324 --> 01:26:38,561
It's like, what's the
lasting impact of radio?
1895
01:26:38,594 --> 01:26:40,363
Right? ... Eh...
1896
01:26:40,396 --> 01:26:42,931
You know, it got us to the
next step, the next step...
1897
01:26:42,965 --> 01:26:44,600
These are not
just entertainment,
1898
01:26:44,633 --> 01:26:45,868
but they're also memories,
1899
01:26:45,901 --> 01:26:51,340
and they're also indications of
what life was like, and is like,
1900
01:26:51,374 --> 01:26:53,409
and is possibly
going to be like again.
1901
01:26:53,442 --> 01:26:57,746
These movies, by being, in a way
the record of our dreams,
1902
01:26:57,780 --> 01:27:03,386
are a way to look at our culture
and say, "Ahhh...
1903
01:27:03,419 --> 01:27:08,624
that's why that civilization
ate itself spectacularly.
1904
01:27:08,657 --> 01:27:11,093
That's why it all
fell apart. Hmm."
1905
01:27:11,126 --> 01:27:13,396
Or, "That's what it
could have been,
1906
01:27:13,429 --> 01:27:15,364
that's where the dream
could have gone."
1907
01:27:15,398 --> 01:27:16,465
When you look at a tape,
1908
01:27:16,499 --> 01:27:19,101
and it has the "be kind,
rewind" sticker, on it,
1909
01:27:19,134 --> 01:27:21,470
there's something deeply
moving about that.
1910
01:27:21,504 --> 01:27:24,039
It's such a call to arms,
1911
01:27:24,072 --> 01:27:28,043
and a suggestion
or an imperative about
a way to live your life.
1912
01:27:28,076 --> 01:27:30,479
To be kind and rewind.
1913
01:27:30,513 --> 01:27:31,980
Go back and like,
1914
01:27:32,014 --> 01:27:34,249
hang on to these things
that are important to you,
1915
01:27:34,283 --> 01:27:35,551
and not let them disappear,
1916
01:27:35,584 --> 01:27:37,720
and not let other people
take them a way from you.
1917
01:27:37,753 --> 01:27:40,689
But find what's important
and preserve that
1918
01:27:40,723 --> 01:27:42,758
and help it to endure.
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