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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,433 NARRATOR: Dyslexia is a specific learning disability 2 00:01:09,500 --> 00:01:11,900 that is neurobiological in origin 3 00:01:11,967 --> 00:01:18,233 and characterized by difficulties with reading, writing, spelling or math. 4 00:01:18,300 --> 00:01:22,066 However, people with dyslexia are frequently endowed with talent 5 00:01:22,133 --> 00:01:26,266 in fields such as art, science, engineering and athletics. 6 00:01:28,100 --> 00:01:31,867 Dyslexia appears in all cultures and languages in the world. 7 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,500 JONATHAN MOONEY: Uh, good afternoon. 8 00:01:42,567 --> 00:01:44,400 STUDENTS: Good afternoon. 9 00:01:44,467 --> 00:01:49,333 My name's Jonathan Mooney, and it's a great honor for me to be here. 10 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,734 Every single time I speak publicly, I'm very honest about how for me 11 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,533 and many kids like me with learning differences, 12 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,667 school sucks and sucks big time. 13 00:02:00,734 --> 00:02:03,533 Now... STUDENTS: (CHEERING) 14 00:02:07,133 --> 00:02:10,667 I am dyslexic, I have ADHD, and ya'll know somethin'? 15 00:02:10,734 --> 00:02:13,400 I am proud of it. 16 00:02:13,467 --> 00:02:18,166 I did not overcome dyslexia. I am proud to be dyslexic. 17 00:02:18,233 --> 00:02:20,633 I am proud to be a member of this community. 18 00:02:20,700 --> 00:02:24,266 I did not overcome dyslexia. Y'all know what I overcame? 19 00:02:24,333 --> 00:02:28,633 I overcame "dys-teach-ia." Okay? STUDENTS: (LAUGHING) 20 00:02:28,700 --> 00:02:31,767 I overcame this myth that there's one way to learn, 21 00:02:31,834 --> 00:02:35,734 and if you don't fit that one way, something's wrong with you. 22 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,133 Let me give you an example of how dyslexic I am. 23 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:42,333 I studied English literature at Brown University, right? Ivy league university, 24 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:47,600 studied English literature, and I read in the 12th percentile. 25 00:02:47,667 --> 00:02:50,533 Y'all know what that means? That means that I read today, 26 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,567 I'm 30 years old, I read like a 7th grader. 27 00:02:53,633 --> 00:02:58,700 I've written two books and I spell at a 3rd grade level. 28 00:02:58,767 --> 00:03:01,400 Y'all lookin' at someone who spells like a 3rd grader. 29 00:03:01,467 --> 00:03:04,867 I didn't learn to read until I was 12 years old. 30 00:03:04,934 --> 00:03:08,700 I was labeled learning disabled or dyslexic in 4th grade. 31 00:03:08,767 --> 00:03:14,400 I was labeled ADHD, which stands for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder 32 00:03:14,467 --> 00:03:18,200 in 5th grade and I dropped out of school for a year in 6th grade. 33 00:03:18,266 --> 00:03:23,333 That year, 6th grade, 12 years old, I had a plan for suicide. 34 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,734 By the time I was in 9th grade, 35 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,333 I was told three things about myself on a daily basis. 36 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,200 I was told that I was the stupid kid. 37 00:03:32,266 --> 00:03:35,266 I heard that almost every day, "John you are dumb." 38 00:03:35,333 --> 00:03:40,767 Number two, I heard that I was the crazy or bad kid. 39 00:03:40,834 --> 00:03:43,200 And number three, I heard that I was 40 00:03:43,266 --> 00:03:44,700 lazy. 41 00:03:44,767 --> 00:03:48,066 Stupid, crazy and lazy. I was told that every single day. 42 00:03:48,133 --> 00:03:52,166 Anybody else in the audience ever been told that about themselves? 43 00:03:52,233 --> 00:03:53,934 Few of us right? 44 00:03:54,033 --> 00:03:57,633 This guy's going to raise two hands and a foot right? 45 00:03:57,700 --> 00:03:59,633 Yeah you know it. STUDENTS: (LAUGHING) 46 00:03:59,700 --> 00:04:02,600 We're amongst friends now aren't we, you know? 47 00:04:02,667 --> 00:04:07,367 Stupid, crazy and lazy because I'm different, 48 00:04:07,433 --> 00:04:14,500 because y'all are different. That's the message we get from traditional schooling. 49 00:04:14,567 --> 00:04:19,834 We're told everyday that there's one way to be smart. 50 00:04:19,900 --> 00:04:23,700 Now that's a lie. There are multiple ways to be smart, 51 00:04:23,767 --> 00:04:26,700 but in school, often there's one way. 52 00:04:26,767 --> 00:04:29,200 Let's be honest, right? In first grade, 53 00:04:29,266 --> 00:04:32,200 if you spell poorly and you got bad handwriting, 54 00:04:32,266 --> 00:04:34,700 and you don't read well, guess what you're called? 55 00:04:34,767 --> 00:04:38,000 STUDENTS: (MURMURING) You're called stupid. Look, I know that we have 56 00:04:38,066 --> 00:04:41,967 euphemisms for it. I know that I'm not literally called stupid. I know I'm called, 57 00:04:42,033 --> 00:04:44,500 the "at risk learner." Anyone ever heard that one? 58 00:04:44,567 --> 00:04:49,967 Or my favorite. I'm the special learner, right? STUDENTS: (LAUGHS) 59 00:04:50,033 --> 00:04:54,433 Who gets to ride the special bus 60 00:04:54,500 --> 00:04:57,233 to the special class STUDENTS: (LAUGHING) 61 00:04:57,300 --> 00:05:02,834 when there's not a damn thing special about any of it right? STUDENTS: (LAUGHING) 62 00:05:05,266 --> 00:05:08,133 I've spent my entire life chasing this fiction 63 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,500 that if I just fixed my reading, I'd be normal. 64 00:05:10,567 --> 00:05:12,433 If I fixed my spelling, I'd be normal. 65 00:05:12,500 --> 00:05:17,266 When the reality is, normal people suck. STUDENTS: (LAUGHING) 66 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,900 There is no normal. There's only you. 67 00:05:22,967 --> 00:05:25,767 There's only a singular intelligence. 68 00:05:25,834 --> 00:05:31,567 There's only your strengths, gifts and talents interwoven with your struggles. 69 00:05:31,633 --> 00:05:33,667 Normal is a dead end. 70 00:05:33,734 --> 00:05:36,734 LD and ADHD, when channeled correctly 71 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,633 are not abnormalities. 72 00:05:38,700 --> 00:05:43,400 They're differences. They're strengths, they're gifts, they're talents. 73 00:05:43,467 --> 00:05:47,767 Thank you all very much for having me. I really appreciate it. Thank you. 74 00:05:47,834 --> 00:05:51,000 STUDENTS: (CHEERING AND CLAPPING) 75 00:05:58,300 --> 00:06:02,200 You know, the challenge in 76 00:06:02,266 --> 00:06:04,500 understanding this story 77 00:06:04,567 --> 00:06:06,166 is to understand 78 00:06:06,233 --> 00:06:10,600 what a monumental negation of who you are, 79 00:06:10,667 --> 00:06:13,367 as a human being, it is to be told you're stupid. 80 00:06:13,433 --> 00:06:16,600 I mean, you know, I can sit around and I can talk about it and 81 00:06:16,667 --> 00:06:21,700 I can tell you anecdotes of growing up in the stupid reading group 82 00:06:21,767 --> 00:06:26,033 and reading out loud, and all of those things, you know, scratch the surface 83 00:06:26,100 --> 00:06:29,133 of what it does to a human being to point at somebody and say, 84 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:30,667 "Your mind doesn't work," 85 00:06:30,734 --> 00:06:31,800 or, "You're bad." 86 00:06:31,867 --> 00:06:34,734 The real tragedy here is 87 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:40,934 the...many of these kids are not only not stupid, they're the opposite of stupid. 88 00:06:41,033 --> 00:06:44,533 You know, they are the 89 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,734 the next generation of artists or innovators or creative thinkers. 90 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,400 They're the opposite of it. 91 00:06:50,467 --> 00:06:54,867 So, not only are you demeaned as a human being but, 92 00:06:54,934 --> 00:06:57,934 your authentic self, you're really disconnected from it. 93 00:06:59,166 --> 00:07:00,734 My last school was 94 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,867 uh, really big. 95 00:07:02,934 --> 00:07:09,700 A thousand, I think, 1,300 kids in the school in 6th, 7th and 8th grade, 96 00:07:09,767 --> 00:07:13,166 and I got beat up all the time. 97 00:07:13,233 --> 00:07:15,400 The classes were so big, I would never get 98 00:07:15,467 --> 00:07:18,734 to have one on one time with my teachers. 99 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,467 They didn't understand me, so all of my assignments were marked down 100 00:07:22,533 --> 00:07:26,667 because I didn't spell things correctly, because of my dysgraphia. 101 00:07:26,734 --> 00:07:29,633 I didn't understand the questions 'cause of my dyslexia. 102 00:07:29,700 --> 00:07:33,166 I couldn't pay attention 'cause of my ADHD. 103 00:07:33,233 --> 00:07:38,800 And, I got in lots of fights with the teachers because they didn't understand what I was 104 00:07:38,867 --> 00:07:41,200 trying to say or what I was going through. 105 00:07:42,333 --> 00:07:44,567 You're always wrong. 106 00:07:44,633 --> 00:07:49,200 You're always working so hard to keep up. 107 00:07:49,266 --> 00:07:53,033 You know that something's wrong. 108 00:07:53,100 --> 00:07:54,900 No one's helping you. 109 00:07:54,967 --> 00:07:58,433 It was just something you just stuffed and stuffed and stuffed in, 110 00:07:58,500 --> 00:08:02,066 like it's just such a painful thing. And... 111 00:08:02,133 --> 00:08:06,433 ...it's such a painful thing to be confronted with your... 112 00:08:06,500 --> 00:08:07,867 yourself. 113 00:08:07,934 --> 00:08:11,367 In 2nd grade, when I was starting to be diagnosed, uhm, 114 00:08:12,300 --> 00:08:14,533 my teacher just like, 115 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:19,033 she, uhm, sat me down one day, as we were going through all these things and 116 00:08:19,100 --> 00:08:21,033 and told me, "Stop pretending." 117 00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:23,700 And that was, like, that was a trip for me 'cause I was like, 118 00:08:23,767 --> 00:08:27,367 you know, I'm like eight years old and stop pretending about what? She goes, 119 00:08:27,433 --> 00:08:30,333 she said that I was pretending to have a learning disability 120 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:31,900 so I could get attention. 121 00:08:31,967 --> 00:08:34,633 It's just a really lonely feeling. 122 00:08:34,700 --> 00:08:38,266 You don't really feel like anyone else really gets you. 123 00:08:38,333 --> 00:08:40,633 Or really gets where you're coming from. 124 00:08:40,700 --> 00:08:44,367 I mean, it's hard, it's hard to talk about 125 00:08:44,433 --> 00:08:48,300 not understanding something when you don't know why you're not. 126 00:08:48,367 --> 00:08:49,934 You know? 127 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,633 'Cause like, I didn't know. I just thought I was dumb. 128 00:08:52,700 --> 00:08:56,266 I didn't realize that there was anything preventing me from understanding, 129 00:08:56,333 --> 00:08:59,834 and there were some things I was good at, so I was able to kind of hide it 130 00:08:59,900 --> 00:09:02,900 and compensate, you know? For awhile. (LAUGHS) 131 00:09:02,967 --> 00:09:06,500 The teacher would be like, "Go up to the board and spell out this word." 132 00:09:06,567 --> 00:09:09,734 You're in...it's like deer in headlights and it's like, 133 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:14,600 "Uh, I don't know how to spell it even when I'm not being put on the spot." 134 00:09:14,667 --> 00:09:18,433 And just dreading every day you went to school, 135 00:09:18,500 --> 00:09:21,433 being picked on because you're... 136 00:09:21,500 --> 00:09:28,133 like, considered one of the foul marks of the school. I just didn't like it. 137 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,900 Like, don't pick on me when it comes down to reading. 138 00:09:30,967 --> 00:09:35,734 And like, if they did pick on me to read, I'll find a way just to get out of it. 139 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,633 Like, I'll be the smart one in the class 140 00:09:38,700 --> 00:09:41,567 to make everybody laugh, so they can kick me out of class. 141 00:09:41,633 --> 00:09:43,433 You teachers out there. 142 00:09:43,500 --> 00:09:47,667 Some of us don't know how to approach someone and say we have a problem. 143 00:09:47,734 --> 00:09:49,800 Some of us do. Some of us don't. 144 00:09:49,867 --> 00:09:54,467 And sometimes, if there is a kid like that who's failing, 145 00:09:54,533 --> 00:09:59,600 who basically...why don't you just go up and ask if they have a problem? 146 00:10:01,300 --> 00:10:06,333 Stress takes a toll and constantly being confronted with your weakest 147 00:10:09,333 --> 00:10:12,767 parts, is so frustrating. 148 00:10:12,834 --> 00:10:16,734 Uhm...but 149 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,233 when you don't know any better, when you don't know how to deal with it. 150 00:10:20,300 --> 00:10:23,233 you just kind of take it. You take it and it's like a beating. 151 00:10:23,300 --> 00:10:27,266 You just keep taking it and taking it and taking it, because you're just like... 152 00:10:27,333 --> 00:10:29,800 I should just work harder. 153 00:10:29,867 --> 00:10:31,734 In 6th grade I was suicidal. 154 00:10:33,066 --> 00:10:35,667 And that was pretty bad. 155 00:10:35,734 --> 00:10:42,000 Uh, I was admitted to a hospital for a suicide watch for a couple of weeks. 156 00:10:42,066 --> 00:10:47,200 I just gave up altogether and I would stop doing all my work 157 00:10:47,266 --> 00:10:50,667 because I was so frustrated that I couldn't express 158 00:10:50,734 --> 00:10:57,266 how I was thinking onto paper or into tests, anything. 159 00:10:57,333 --> 00:11:01,667 There will be times when I'll pick up a book and it will be exactly what I wanted to read. 160 00:11:01,734 --> 00:11:04,367 It's...I don't know, the new thing, the story, 161 00:11:04,433 --> 00:11:07,100 and I just really want to read it and I can't. 162 00:11:07,166 --> 00:11:09,767 And it kills me. 163 00:11:09,834 --> 00:11:12,567 Like, sometimes I'll, like, cry. 164 00:11:12,633 --> 00:11:15,834 I'll pick up a book, and I'll go to read it and it hurts. 165 00:11:15,900 --> 00:11:18,567 I'm not going to wake up one morning and read. 166 00:11:18,633 --> 00:11:20,533 My brain is just not wired right. 167 00:11:30,533 --> 00:11:35,333 I'm gonna talk to you again, a little bit more formally about what dyslexia is. 168 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,633 Right. As we were talking about it yesterday, 169 00:11:37,700 --> 00:11:41,667 it has to do with reading, and writing and spelling. 170 00:11:41,734 --> 00:11:43,934 Not with thinking. 171 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,800 Right? It's not the same as a difficulty with learning. 172 00:11:49,633 --> 00:11:52,367 When a person learns how to read, 173 00:11:52,433 --> 00:11:56,033 there's a part of your brain right in here, called the angular gyrus, 174 00:11:56,100 --> 00:12:01,166 that does the translation work of taking those symbols and turning them into the sounds. 175 00:12:01,233 --> 00:12:03,934 Now, this is learned behavior, but some people learn it 176 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,667 and that area of the brain activates very quickly in their lives. 177 00:12:07,734 --> 00:12:10,767 Age five or six they get a little bit of print instruction, 178 00:12:10,834 --> 00:12:13,667 little bit of an idea of how to do it, some practice, 179 00:12:13,734 --> 00:12:16,233 and that area of the brain will light right up. 180 00:12:16,300 --> 00:12:20,467 There are other people for whom this area of the brain is the one that lights up. 181 00:12:20,533 --> 00:12:22,567 It's up here in the pre-frontal cortex. 182 00:12:22,633 --> 00:12:25,266 That means you're trying to think your way through it. 183 00:12:25,333 --> 00:12:27,233 You're really working hard. 184 00:12:27,300 --> 00:12:30,266 You're really working hard to try to decode it, 185 00:12:30,333 --> 00:12:33,700 but a different area of the brain is lighting up along with some of the 186 00:12:33,767 --> 00:12:36,767 things along this side and back here in the visual cortex. 187 00:12:36,834 --> 00:12:39,233 Different areas of the brain will light up 188 00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:41,633 and they're not as efficient as 189 00:12:41,700 --> 00:12:46,667 that area which is the area that processes that very quickly and efficiently. 190 00:12:46,734 --> 00:12:51,033 It's trying to light up as many areas as it can to process that thing 191 00:12:51,100 --> 00:12:53,500 and it's actually, literally, measurably 192 00:12:53,567 --> 00:12:58,200 uses five times more energy to do the same thing. 193 00:12:58,266 --> 00:13:01,867 So, if you get exhausted while you're reading that would be the reason. 194 00:13:04,333 --> 00:13:08,900 Keep that in mind. You're working harder for less gain, often, 195 00:13:08,967 --> 00:13:10,767 than the other people around you. 196 00:13:10,834 --> 00:13:13,567 But it's not because you're not as smart as they are. 197 00:13:14,767 --> 00:13:18,467 I have a question about the ADD and ADHD? 198 00:13:18,533 --> 00:13:21,100 ADD could be attendant on this. 199 00:13:22,066 --> 00:13:24,300 People can have both. Right? 200 00:13:24,367 --> 00:13:27,567 There are some people who are just dyslexic. 201 00:13:27,633 --> 00:13:30,467 There are some people who are just ADHD. 202 00:13:30,533 --> 00:13:33,166 And there are some people who have both. 203 00:13:36,467 --> 00:13:41,200 I think the numbers are something like 25% of dyslexics have ADHD, 204 00:13:41,266 --> 00:13:44,533 and something like 30% of ADHD people have dyslexia. 205 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,367 So there's an overlap. 206 00:13:46,433 --> 00:13:48,934 Yeah. Can dyslexia affect like, 207 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,300 how you write? Like, with dysgraphia? 208 00:13:52,367 --> 00:13:56,967 Uhm, often times if you're dysgraphic, it's a sign that you're having 209 00:13:57,033 --> 00:13:59,300 trouble forming the symbols. 210 00:13:59,367 --> 00:14:02,467 You know, I know people who are beautiful artists 211 00:14:02,533 --> 00:14:04,967 and can't write letters. 212 00:14:05,033 --> 00:14:07,734 That's 'cause the dyslexic. It's hard, 213 00:14:09,433 --> 00:14:12,300 uhm, and sometimes, I always say, "I don't know. 214 00:14:12,367 --> 00:14:16,433 You know, I don't know how some people get up and come to school each day." 215 00:14:16,500 --> 00:14:18,767 Uhm, I don't know how you do it. 216 00:14:18,834 --> 00:14:20,533 We don't either. What? 217 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,333 We don't know either. I know! (LAUGHS) 218 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,767 Dyslexia is very poorly understood 219 00:14:26,834 --> 00:14:30,433 by almost everybody in society, including our students 220 00:14:30,500 --> 00:14:34,633 who also don't know what it is that's causing their frustration, 221 00:14:34,700 --> 00:14:36,800 their difficulties. They've just been 222 00:14:36,867 --> 00:14:41,800 dealing with them for years, uhm, without anybody really explaining 223 00:14:41,867 --> 00:14:45,000 the cognitive or biological basis of the condition. 224 00:14:45,066 --> 00:14:51,166 And so, uhm, the biggest difficulty is the emotional one. 225 00:14:51,233 --> 00:14:54,100 The first thing we have to do is, uhm, 226 00:14:54,166 --> 00:14:56,967 what I call, academic rehabilitation. 227 00:14:57,033 --> 00:14:58,734 Just convincing them 228 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,066 that the school system is not going to beat them up, 229 00:15:02,133 --> 00:15:06,400 and giving them the idea that they are smart. 230 00:15:06,467 --> 00:15:09,867 They can learn, they can learn to read. 231 00:15:09,934 --> 00:15:16,233 They can operate in an academic environment, uh, with success. 232 00:15:16,300 --> 00:15:22,166 And without someone constantly telling them that what they're doing is not 233 00:15:22,233 --> 00:15:26,300 right, when the fact is that what their teachers have been doing isn't right. 234 00:15:28,934 --> 00:15:33,867 When teachers and parents are willing to step out of their own box a little, 235 00:15:33,934 --> 00:15:37,633 and not say that, this is, you know, "You need to be in special ed.," 236 00:15:37,700 --> 00:15:43,000 and there's so much confusion about dyslexia. It can really help the person that has it 237 00:15:43,066 --> 00:15:47,300 uhm, open the doors for them, to feel good. 238 00:15:47,367 --> 00:15:51,633 Nothing feels good when you're not comprehending and you can't say it, 239 00:15:51,700 --> 00:15:54,533 and you're coming home, like I did, dejected again 240 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:59,700 with another "D" stamped on your test when you struggled so hard. 241 00:15:59,767 --> 00:16:03,467 You know you know the information but it doesn't come out that way on paper. 242 00:16:03,533 --> 00:16:08,333 And I really didn't want to be stuck in a box. 243 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,934 Who does want to be in a box their whole life? 244 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,767 And so I wanted to fight to get away from that label 245 00:16:15,834 --> 00:16:20,166 or that judgment, that just because I learned different, 246 00:16:20,233 --> 00:16:22,700 I was different, and therefore if I was different, 247 00:16:22,767 --> 00:16:25,633 then now suddenly society thought I was inferior. 248 00:16:25,700 --> 00:16:31,567 And I knew I wasn't. Any dyslexic knows that they're not inferior. 249 00:16:31,633 --> 00:16:35,533 They know that they may be different, but they've got to know 250 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,400 that they can rise to that challenge and overcome it. 251 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,533 Words to look out for, 252 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:47,934 struggled with, afflicted by, suffered from. 253 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,166 Those types of words imply 254 00:16:51,233 --> 00:16:56,367 (MIMICS SADNESS) "Oh it's so terrible. Oh it's awful." 255 00:16:56,433 --> 00:17:01,667 I was not afflicted with dyslexia. I was afflicted with a poorly designed system 256 00:17:01,734 --> 00:17:04,400 that expected me to be something I'm not. 257 00:17:04,467 --> 00:17:08,900 And those expectations and my reality did not go together. 258 00:17:08,967 --> 00:17:13,433 It is as though the sun will explode if you say out loud, "I read bad." 259 00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:18,900 Right? My name's Ben Foss, and I read terribly. 260 00:17:18,967 --> 00:17:22,734 There's still this element, where you, thou must be able to read. 261 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,967 And proficiently and fast and spell and write, and, uh, 262 00:17:27,033 --> 00:17:29,433 you know, I disagree. You need to read a little. 263 00:17:29,500 --> 00:17:31,934 I'll give you that. You gotta be able to function. 264 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,767 You gotta be able to navigate the internet, for instance. 265 00:17:34,834 --> 00:17:36,667 If you can get to that point, good. 266 00:17:36,734 --> 00:17:39,467 And I'm not saying the internet's going to be your career, 267 00:17:39,533 --> 00:17:42,300 but that would be my litmus test to say you know enough. 268 00:17:42,367 --> 00:17:44,066 You could make up for the rest. 269 00:17:44,133 --> 00:17:48,266 I think you have a learning spectrum, 270 00:17:48,333 --> 00:17:50,800 uh, it's not digitized, 271 00:17:50,867 --> 00:17:57,533 and education has picked a very narrow window within a long spectrum to teach. 272 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,867 And if you're lucky, you fall in that spectrum. 273 00:18:00,934 --> 00:18:04,400 If you're a little to the side of the spectrum, you'll probably do okay, 274 00:18:04,467 --> 00:18:06,066 you'll make it. 275 00:18:06,133 --> 00:18:08,233 And at some point, when you get to one end or the other, 276 00:18:08,300 --> 00:18:12,300 they'll label you with somethin' and dyslexia's a popular one, ADD is another. 277 00:18:12,367 --> 00:18:16,667 I don't subscribe in either of those two, that anyone can pinpoint, this is a disease. 278 00:18:16,734 --> 00:18:21,233 The way I look at it is, you learn outside of our today, 279 00:18:21,300 --> 00:18:24,033 here, United States of America, learning spectrum. 280 00:18:24,100 --> 00:18:27,100 Ah, I always like to get to root cause of a problem, 281 00:18:27,166 --> 00:18:29,400 and the root cause of the problem here is 282 00:18:29,467 --> 00:18:31,667 how we're teaching, not how we're learning. 283 00:18:31,734 --> 00:18:33,633 And so you're labeling 284 00:18:33,700 --> 00:18:38,300 not a method of teaching, but the method of learning when the problem is the reverse. 285 00:18:38,367 --> 00:18:46,867 And so, we're trying to fix the effect and not the cause. 286 00:18:48,967 --> 00:18:51,967 NARRATOR: If a student experiences a great deal of frustration 287 00:18:52,033 --> 00:18:54,367 in a public or private school, 288 00:18:54,433 --> 00:18:56,200 he may choose to attend a school 289 00:18:56,266 --> 00:18:59,100 with a curriculum designed for dyslexic students. 290 00:18:59,166 --> 00:19:02,133 TEACHER: From the beginning. I wouldn't have helped 291 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,967 NARRATOR: The Kildonan School in Amenia, New York 292 00:19:05,033 --> 00:19:08,667 uses a program that addresses the strengths of each student, 293 00:19:08,734 --> 00:19:13,166 while also providing an individual daily tutorial for reading. 294 00:19:13,233 --> 00:19:15,767 ...uh, subject, returning to me. I couldn't... 295 00:19:15,834 --> 00:19:18,800 NARRATOR: Although there are a number of these private schools 296 00:19:18,867 --> 00:19:23,967 throughout the country, they only serve 1% of the students with dyslexia. 297 00:19:24,033 --> 00:19:26,033 ...uhm, his time. 298 00:19:28,934 --> 00:19:32,200 Export. 299 00:19:32,266 --> 00:19:36,033 (READS SLOWLY) Emancipate. Emancipate. Mm-hmm. 300 00:19:39,133 --> 00:19:40,600 Edifee. 301 00:19:41,734 --> 00:19:44,734 Edify. TEACHER: Good. 302 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,867 (READS SLOWLY) Uh, expedi...tation? 303 00:19:48,934 --> 00:19:54,500 (READS SLOWLY) Expedition. Expedition. Mm-hmm. Good. 304 00:19:56,734 --> 00:20:00,333 Effossi...sive. 305 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,000 This is long. 306 00:20:02,066 --> 00:20:04,834 Effuse...effusieve? 307 00:20:06,033 --> 00:20:07,900 Good. Effusive. 308 00:20:07,967 --> 00:20:10,066 What does that mean? 309 00:20:10,133 --> 00:20:13,533 Well, first off at Kildonan each student receives 310 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,800 uhm, a tutorial, 311 00:20:15,867 --> 00:20:19,567 one hour or so, Orton-Gillingham tutoring period. 312 00:20:19,633 --> 00:20:23,633 Which is a systematic, uhm, very sort of 313 00:20:23,700 --> 00:20:28,266 methodical approach to teaching, uhm, students how to read and write. 314 00:20:28,333 --> 00:20:31,066 I've tutored, now, dyslexics for eight years, 315 00:20:31,133 --> 00:20:36,633 and I've never had two kids that were alike in their dyslexia. 316 00:20:36,700 --> 00:20:39,533 Uhm, there's so many component parts to it, 317 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:45,834 uhm, that although there is a category called dyslexia, 318 00:20:47,834 --> 00:20:51,867 I do not believe that there is any one dyslexic. 319 00:20:51,934 --> 00:20:55,033 I think that different dyslexics have auditory processing, 320 00:20:55,100 --> 00:20:58,734 verbal expression, long term, short term working memory. 321 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:03,100 It's all different. It's almost like a, maybe when you edit the film, 322 00:21:03,166 --> 00:21:06,834 there'll be like, uhm, a soundboard. I don't know if you use a soundboard. 323 00:21:06,900 --> 00:21:09,633 They're all at different levels. 324 00:21:09,700 --> 00:21:15,166 No immortal god escapes from you, nor any man who lives but for a day. 325 00:21:15,233 --> 00:21:18,433 And the one whom you possess goes mad. 326 00:21:18,500 --> 00:21:21,033 Even in good men you twist their minds, 327 00:21:21,100 --> 00:21:26,567 perverting them to their own ruin. You provoke these men to family strife, 328 00:21:26,633 --> 00:21:31,934 the bride's desire seems glittering in her eyes that conquers everything. 329 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,533 I have kind of a tougher time learning 330 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:41,266 than a "normal" person would, you know? I can't comprehend things. 331 00:21:41,333 --> 00:21:45,934 But I'm a fine reader. Like, I can read perfectly... 332 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,066 ...basically. But I just cannot comprehend what I'm reading. 333 00:21:49,133 --> 00:21:51,600 So...yeah. 334 00:21:51,667 --> 00:21:55,200 I need one on one help. I couldn't be in a classroom with thirty people. 335 00:21:55,266 --> 00:21:57,700 Public school is just way too, uhm, 336 00:21:57,767 --> 00:22:00,266 way too many people. I mean it's fun, you know? 337 00:22:00,333 --> 00:22:02,734 It's fun being with all your friends and stuff. 338 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,233 But, uhm, 339 00:22:04,300 --> 00:22:07,800 it didn't work out for me, didn't cut it. 340 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,166 You know, dyslexia is a serious thing with me, at least, 341 00:22:13,233 --> 00:22:17,166 and I know tons of kids that if you call them mentally challenged 342 00:22:17,233 --> 00:22:20,166 or, like, retarded, I mean 343 00:22:20,233 --> 00:22:22,867 like, we're not retarded. Like, we're not. 344 00:22:22,934 --> 00:22:24,967 We are actually really smart people. 345 00:22:27,467 --> 00:22:31,066 TEACHER: Okay, so what does this become? 346 00:22:31,133 --> 00:22:37,133 Uh, it becomes X minus 3 squared. 347 00:22:38,967 --> 00:22:41,200 MARA: Then, plus Y 348 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,433 minus 2 quantity squared 349 00:22:45,367 --> 00:22:47,500 divided by one 350 00:22:48,500 --> 00:22:49,934 equals one. 351 00:22:52,934 --> 00:22:54,867 They didn't really quite understand me 352 00:22:54,934 --> 00:22:57,800 because I was always good at math. 353 00:22:57,867 --> 00:23:00,166 Math always came easy to me. 354 00:23:00,233 --> 00:23:04,767 It was a walk in the park. I could do it simply and easily. 355 00:23:04,834 --> 00:23:10,000 And reading, everything just fell apart. 356 00:23:10,066 --> 00:23:13,333 So they were kind of like, "Oh, well she'll grow out of it." 357 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,066 "She's so good at math. She's so good at math that she'll grow out of it." 358 00:23:17,133 --> 00:23:21,066 And then they said this for a good three or four years. 359 00:23:21,133 --> 00:23:24,000 And I'm staying at the same level where I am, 360 00:23:24,066 --> 00:23:29,500 and a year is going by and everybody else is improving but I'm staying behind. 361 00:23:29,567 --> 00:23:31,066 I would never read out loud. 362 00:23:31,133 --> 00:23:33,867 There would be no way, because it would be every other... 363 00:23:33,934 --> 00:23:37,233 not every other, like, every word I'd be stumbling through to get 364 00:23:37,300 --> 00:23:41,600 through, and it wouldn't sound and usually they'd just tell me to stop. 365 00:23:41,667 --> 00:23:43,600 I got through a sentence and I was like, 366 00:23:43,667 --> 00:23:47,433 all, everybody else got through, like, three or four paragraphs and I'm 367 00:23:47,500 --> 00:23:49,300 one sentence. 368 00:23:49,367 --> 00:23:53,266 I was three or four levels behind and they asked me to leave the school because 369 00:23:53,333 --> 00:23:55,333 they couldn't, I mean, 370 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,800 I was so far behind, they didn't 371 00:23:58,867 --> 00:24:01,133 think I could catch up or anything, 372 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,500 which I really needed at that point 373 00:24:04,567 --> 00:24:08,834 some help, because I wasn't reading anything, really. 374 00:24:08,900 --> 00:24:14,767 Know that you're needing help and, like, try to be specific about what is going wrong. 375 00:24:14,834 --> 00:24:17,133 So, if you can tell them, 376 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,433 "This is where it's going wrong." 377 00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:23,934 Or like the reading part, this is where it's going wrong. And the writing part. 378 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,400 Like, try to be specific as possible 379 00:24:27,467 --> 00:24:33,200 to, like, understand your problem and then ask for help. 380 00:24:33,266 --> 00:24:37,767 It, like, ask for help is like, the simplest thing you can do and yet 381 00:24:37,834 --> 00:24:40,300 yet not many people like doing that. 382 00:24:41,734 --> 00:24:44,967 So...and you shouldn't be ashamed. 383 00:24:46,133 --> 00:24:48,266 You should not be ashamed, at all, 384 00:24:48,333 --> 00:24:51,800 for the fact that you're having this problem 385 00:24:51,867 --> 00:24:54,500 or to go and ask for the help. 386 00:24:56,834 --> 00:24:58,433 Unk. Good. 387 00:24:58,500 --> 00:24:59,800 Ank. Good. 388 00:24:59,867 --> 00:25:01,867 Oink. Onk. Not oink. 389 00:25:01,934 --> 00:25:03,667 Is there an "I" in there? 390 00:25:03,734 --> 00:25:06,300 Onk. Onk and ong. 391 00:25:06,367 --> 00:25:08,133 Good. What was this word? 392 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,500 Oink. 393 00:25:09,567 --> 00:25:11,633 (LAUGHS) Do you see any pigs on here? 394 00:25:11,700 --> 00:25:15,767 No but there should be a pig. Okay, but it doesn't say oink. 395 00:25:15,834 --> 00:25:19,033 Okay? It's not a pig word. Okay, so onk. Say it again. Onk. 396 00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:20,333 Onk. 397 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,934 Okay, I get these... I get "o" words mixed up. 398 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,100 Okay. Good. Ong. 399 00:25:26,166 --> 00:25:29,600 Okay, now be very careful. It's not a pig. 400 00:25:29,667 --> 00:25:32,900 Oink. Oing. (LAUGHS) (LAUGHS) 401 00:25:32,967 --> 00:25:36,767 Onk, onk. Onk. 402 00:25:36,834 --> 00:25:40,600 The school wasn't helping me the way that it should have. 403 00:25:40,667 --> 00:25:45,467 It should have had a program that would help kids like me. 404 00:25:45,533 --> 00:25:49,467 But they didn't, so we had to look at, 405 00:25:49,533 --> 00:25:52,266 we had to look at two different schools. 406 00:25:52,333 --> 00:25:58,633 They said that this school would be the best for me because everybody fits in. 407 00:25:58,700 --> 00:26:01,333 It makes me feel a little happy because 408 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,633 I know that all these kids have something that's, 409 00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:08,233 that's different about them, and 410 00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:10,967 it makes me feel comfortable. 411 00:26:11,033 --> 00:26:16,600 Yeah, but for some reason eating time is a little, uhm, 412 00:26:16,667 --> 00:26:20,333 not on the good side 'cause I cry usually, 413 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,800 on Wednesdays 414 00:26:22,867 --> 00:26:26,333 and that's kind of not that happy. 415 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:31,033 But sometimes it happens and you can't stop that, 416 00:26:31,100 --> 00:26:34,133 but there are ways that you can. 417 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,700 INTERVIEWER: Do you know why you feel that way? 418 00:26:36,767 --> 00:26:39,200 Probably 'cause at my old school 419 00:26:39,266 --> 00:26:42,300 kids never wanted me to sit next to them. 420 00:26:43,900 --> 00:26:45,767 They were treating me, like, 421 00:26:45,834 --> 00:26:48,433 everybody else in the school was 422 00:26:48,500 --> 00:26:51,900 like, a certain way and I wasn't. 423 00:26:52,834 --> 00:26:55,433 So, they thought that 424 00:26:55,500 --> 00:26:58,800 different was bad. But different is good. 425 00:27:01,066 --> 00:27:04,467 INTERVIEWER: And when did you learn that? 426 00:27:04,533 --> 00:27:07,900 Well, it's just, like, an instinct to me. 427 00:27:12,867 --> 00:27:14,400 When I encountered school, 428 00:27:14,467 --> 00:27:17,433 when my mother took me to the school gates to meet the teacher, 429 00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:22,166 through the school gates and the teacher's waiting for me, 430 00:27:22,233 --> 00:27:26,633 and I was greeted, not greeted. 431 00:27:26,700 --> 00:27:31,467 I suppose I was introduced to an evil woman. 432 00:27:31,533 --> 00:27:34,300 It's just like going into Dracula's castle, 433 00:27:34,367 --> 00:27:38,500 being greeted by somebody who speaks like, 434 00:27:38,567 --> 00:27:42,500 with her head like this, (MIMICS TEACHER) "Are you the new boy?" 435 00:27:44,934 --> 00:27:46,767 Yes, yes. 436 00:27:46,834 --> 00:27:50,066 "You'll address me as Mrs. Adams, and don't you forget that." 437 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,467 And her eyes would go... 438 00:27:54,533 --> 00:27:58,100 "Come along with me and I shall introduce you to the rest of the children." 439 00:27:59,033 --> 00:28:00,467 "Here's some chalk. 440 00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:03,333 Here's the blackboard. 441 00:28:04,266 --> 00:28:05,667 Write your name." 442 00:28:07,133 --> 00:28:13,133 So,I drew a picture of a little man, which was me. (LAUGHS) 443 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,767 Some of the kids started to chuckle. I could hear them laughing. 444 00:28:16,834 --> 00:28:21,333 (MIMICS TEACHER) "That's not your name. Write your name!" 445 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,000 So I just got the chalk and made... 446 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,400 just a circle and then another circle and then... 447 00:28:29,467 --> 00:28:32,867 made a, drew a dog, which was my dog 448 00:28:32,934 --> 00:28:37,033 and drew...whatever. 449 00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:40,066 Because I don't have any experience of writing so 450 00:28:40,133 --> 00:28:43,734 that was it. And then she said to me, uhm, 451 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,767 "Children, 452 00:28:45,834 --> 00:28:47,000 here we have 453 00:28:48,033 --> 00:28:50,734 an exhibition of failure. 454 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,867 He is failure. 455 00:28:52,934 --> 00:28:55,266 This is what not to become. 456 00:28:57,867 --> 00:29:00,000 The reason why 457 00:29:00,066 --> 00:29:03,133 the word failure was written in the dictionary 458 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,900 was because of Willard. 459 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,633 Willard is failure." 460 00:29:09,867 --> 00:29:13,133 When she told me that, I, uhm, 461 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,400 I said to myself then, even though I was only a child, 462 00:29:17,467 --> 00:29:20,600 I realized what she said so, 463 00:29:20,667 --> 00:29:22,834 because she said I was that, 464 00:29:22,900 --> 00:29:26,633 uhm, she destroyed me. 465 00:29:28,033 --> 00:29:30,100 So, I was destroyed. 466 00:29:30,166 --> 00:29:33,100 So, that was it. Destroyed academically. 467 00:29:33,166 --> 00:29:36,200 Obliterated. That is it. 468 00:29:36,266 --> 00:29:40,633 I became a bit of a recluse. I locked myself away a lot. 469 00:29:40,700 --> 00:29:43,600 You know, disappear. Like Howard Hughes. (LAUGHS) 470 00:29:43,667 --> 00:29:46,200 And just stayed there working. 471 00:29:46,266 --> 00:29:50,600 I did a carving of Miss Havisham on a toothpick on the point. 472 00:29:50,667 --> 00:29:53,934 And the first thing my mother said to me was, 473 00:29:54,000 --> 00:30:01,767 "That is beautiful. That is very, very nice. 474 00:30:01,834 --> 00:30:03,767 That is, incredible." 475 00:30:04,834 --> 00:30:07,367 My artwork becomes a defense. 476 00:30:07,433 --> 00:30:10,834 So, I'm going, "I am going to be the greatest. 477 00:30:10,900 --> 00:30:14,834 I am going to be the greatest," in my head. 478 00:30:24,934 --> 00:30:28,567 (INDISTINCT CHATTERING) 479 00:30:47,367 --> 00:30:50,367 Thank you very much. Yep. Pleasure. 480 00:30:50,433 --> 00:30:54,834 I saw a microscope on the table and I put my hand up to ask a question. 481 00:30:54,900 --> 00:30:57,100 And then he said, uhm, 482 00:30:57,166 --> 00:31:02,734 "You don't need to, uh, know because your brain doesn't have the, doesn't have," 483 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,834 Mr. Reilly said, "You don't need to know 484 00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:07,967 because your brain does not have the capacity 485 00:31:08,033 --> 00:31:12,767 so it's pointless. Next." 486 00:31:12,834 --> 00:31:16,533 So, when he said that to me, I looked on the table and saw a microscope 487 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,900 and that microscope had my name written on it. 488 00:31:18,967 --> 00:31:22,667 So I decided to take the microscope. 489 00:31:22,734 --> 00:31:24,900 And they went round, you know, each boy, 490 00:31:24,967 --> 00:31:28,100 (MIMICS TEACHER) "Bradford was it you that stole the microscope?" 491 00:31:28,166 --> 00:31:30,266 Bradford would say, "No, not me." 492 00:31:30,333 --> 00:31:34,233 "Whittaker was it you?" No. "Cottle, was it you?" 493 00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:37,834 "Lear was it you? Thompson was it you?" 494 00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:41,066 "Fletcher was it you?" "No sir, it wasn't me." 495 00:31:41,133 --> 00:31:42,967 And he came to me. 496 00:31:43,033 --> 00:31:46,400 "I know it's not you Wigan. You wouldn't have a brain for a microscope. 497 00:31:46,467 --> 00:31:48,767 "Turner, was it you?" (LAUGHS) 498 00:31:49,967 --> 00:31:53,000 Yeah, that was good, a good feeling. 499 00:31:53,066 --> 00:31:54,767 He said, 500 00:31:54,834 --> 00:31:58,533 "I know it's not you because you wouldn't have the brain for a microscope." 501 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,633 So that was good. (LAUGHS) 502 00:32:00,700 --> 00:32:03,533 INTERVIEWER: And then what did you do with the microscope? 503 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,400 I became who I am today. 504 00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:08,734 I continued 505 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:13,767 to create smaller and smaller sculptures. 506 00:32:13,834 --> 00:32:17,266 Then I started to experiment with my fingers. 507 00:32:17,333 --> 00:32:20,700 As I was sculpting, I was looking at the way my pulse was moving. 508 00:32:20,767 --> 00:32:23,133 I started to train my pulse beat 509 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,467 so I could work between my heartbeats. 510 00:32:26,433 --> 00:32:29,033 The frame is the eye. 511 00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:32,734 If I wanted to put Noah's Ark inside there with 512 00:32:33,667 --> 00:32:35,800 15 animals 513 00:32:35,867 --> 00:32:39,400 or 20 animals, I could. 514 00:32:39,467 --> 00:32:44,533 Me now, I could put 9 camels in the eye of the needle, which I already have. 515 00:32:46,166 --> 00:32:50,166 But my favorite was Alice in Wonderland, the Mad Hatter's tea party. 516 00:32:50,233 --> 00:32:53,900 That was my favorite one. That's one I could sit back and go, 517 00:32:53,967 --> 00:32:56,333 "Hmm. Yeah." 518 00:32:57,433 --> 00:32:59,333 Charlie Chaplin was very hard. 519 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,834 That's one of the all time favorites 520 00:33:02,900 --> 00:33:05,033 because he's on the end of an eyelash. 521 00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:12,967 And then, before I knew it, 522 00:33:13,033 --> 00:33:16,133 I was invited to Buckingham Palace to receive 523 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,934 a medal. 524 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,400 It's one of the highest honors you can get. It's called the MBE. 525 00:33:22,467 --> 00:33:25,100 Prince Charles was there. 526 00:33:25,166 --> 00:33:28,967 I bowed like that and he shook my hands and he said to me, 527 00:33:29,033 --> 00:33:34,600 (MIMICS PRINCE) "That is the most phenomenal artwork I have ever seen in my whole life. 528 00:33:34,667 --> 00:33:41,266 How does one create such works of art? Such wonders. It is beyond belief. 529 00:33:41,333 --> 00:33:44,400 You are a true genius. 530 00:33:44,467 --> 00:33:48,433 Absolutely incredible." And he was shaking my hand for a long time. 531 00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:50,400 So my hand was being shook. 532 00:33:50,467 --> 00:33:53,500 So, Rod Stewart was waiting there and a few more. 533 00:33:53,567 --> 00:33:57,333 And my hand was being shook more than the others. And he was saying to me, 534 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,033 "How do you keep your hand so still to do this work? 535 00:34:01,967 --> 00:34:04,200 It is pure genius." 536 00:34:04,266 --> 00:34:06,467 And then, I'm just thinking, 537 00:34:06,533 --> 00:34:10,900 "Thank you." Because every time he's saying that to me, I'm getting greater, and I'm, 538 00:34:10,967 --> 00:34:14,400 I'm looking back at the past and I'm looking back at the, back at... 539 00:34:14,467 --> 00:34:18,133 ...my learning difficulties and it didn't matter anymore. 540 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,266 Dyslexic is actually a gift. 541 00:34:23,033 --> 00:34:24,533 That's what I believe. 542 00:34:27,433 --> 00:34:31,467 One of the things that I laugh about is when anyone says 543 00:34:31,533 --> 00:34:36,066 that reading is a natural act. Reading is un-natural. 544 00:34:36,133 --> 00:34:40,967 Reading is a cultural invention. There is nothing natural about it. 545 00:34:41,033 --> 00:34:42,934 Every reader 546 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,433 had to have 547 00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:48,900 a brain that created a whole new circuitry 548 00:34:48,967 --> 00:34:50,900 for that reading process. 549 00:34:50,967 --> 00:34:53,500 Well, in the case of dyslexia 550 00:34:53,567 --> 00:34:58,333 what we have is a differently acquired circuit 551 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,367 that's new to the species. 552 00:35:00,433 --> 00:35:03,767 It's a blink of the evolutionary eye. 553 00:35:03,834 --> 00:35:08,433 We've only been reading for basically 5,000 years. 554 00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:10,533 It's nothing. 555 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,100 It is a wonderful thing to remember 556 00:35:13,166 --> 00:35:17,800 that this is one of the newest inventions of the species. 557 00:35:17,867 --> 00:35:23,367 But, the children who are among us with dyslexia have always been there, 558 00:35:23,433 --> 00:35:25,600 and they've always been there for a reason. 559 00:35:25,667 --> 00:35:29,834 They have a very important role to play, that brain, 560 00:35:29,900 --> 00:35:35,066 in our design, in our art, in our building, in our thinking in novel ways. 561 00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:38,567 They've been doing that pre 5,000 years. 562 00:35:38,633 --> 00:35:42,567 Only in the last, even, 100 years 563 00:35:42,633 --> 00:35:44,233 have we called it 564 00:35:44,300 --> 00:35:49,600 uh, something that would have a name that would sound like a disease. 565 00:35:49,667 --> 00:35:55,200 The heart, for me, the heart of some of the emotional difficulties 566 00:35:55,266 --> 00:35:59,400 our kids have as consequences of learning disabilities 567 00:36:00,567 --> 00:36:03,567 begins with the fact that people equate 568 00:36:03,633 --> 00:36:07,000 being able to read with being smart, 569 00:36:07,066 --> 00:36:09,233 with intelligence. 570 00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:11,967 Reading involves 571 00:36:12,033 --> 00:36:15,800 many aspects and it involves the use of our intelligence, 572 00:36:15,867 --> 00:36:18,300 but if you realize that reading 573 00:36:18,367 --> 00:36:23,600 only exists as the circuitry that connects intelligence to itself, 574 00:36:23,667 --> 00:36:25,667 it's not about intelligence. 575 00:36:25,734 --> 00:36:29,767 That intelligence already exists independently. It's being connected 576 00:36:29,834 --> 00:36:31,467 to the circuit. 577 00:36:31,533 --> 00:36:38,000 Reading, as you know, is to me one of the great miracles of cognition. 578 00:36:38,066 --> 00:36:42,066 But it's not equatable with intelligence. 579 00:36:42,133 --> 00:36:44,867 Some of our children with dyslexia 580 00:36:44,934 --> 00:36:49,400 are some of our most intellectually gifted humans. 581 00:36:49,467 --> 00:36:52,667 It's a form of intelligence. It's a form 582 00:36:52,734 --> 00:36:57,166 of brain organization that they have that leads them to be 583 00:36:57,233 --> 00:37:01,567 often times our artists, our architects, our pattern recognizers 584 00:37:01,633 --> 00:37:04,200 in radiology and astronomy. 585 00:37:04,266 --> 00:37:06,333 But they think often 586 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,533 outside the box of our conventional left hemisphere thinking. 587 00:37:11,567 --> 00:37:14,834 I love them. Our species 588 00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:19,066 would never be what it is, without that form of brain organization. 589 00:37:21,734 --> 00:37:26,433 The actual discovery was something we did about 25 years ago 590 00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:29,533 where we were trying to understand the basic phenomenon 591 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,967 of how chromosomes are maintained. 592 00:37:32,033 --> 00:37:35,200 So, the chromosomes are in the cell and they have to package 593 00:37:35,266 --> 00:37:38,633 all of the DNA for the genetic material in the cell. 594 00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:41,567 And there was this puzzle about how it is 595 00:37:41,633 --> 00:37:46,533 that they can be copied completely to the end every time a cell divides. 596 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,467 The Nobel Prize was given for Physiology or Medicine 597 00:37:49,533 --> 00:37:51,300 and the medical implications 598 00:37:51,367 --> 00:37:53,333 of the fundamental discovery 599 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,367 uh, weren't apparent until we, and many other people, 600 00:37:56,433 --> 00:38:00,800 had then followed up and understood, that it turned out this enzyme telomerase 601 00:38:00,867 --> 00:38:04,000 plays a major role in human disease. 602 00:38:04,066 --> 00:38:07,734 INTERVIEWER: When do you think you first understood that you had dyslexia? 603 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,567 I didn't understand that it was dyslexia until much later 604 00:38:10,633 --> 00:38:13,166 because at that time they weren't diagnosing dyslexia. 605 00:38:13,233 --> 00:38:17,300 Uhm, I was told that I was a poor speller. I was taken out of classes, 606 00:38:17,367 --> 00:38:21,533 uhm, given remedial training and I always thought that I was really 607 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,233 kind of stupid. (LAUGHS) 608 00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:25,834 I mean I got Ds and Fs in my English class, 609 00:38:25,900 --> 00:38:29,767 which of course I didn't really care because it wasn't going to count for anything. 610 00:38:29,834 --> 00:38:33,834 But looking back at those then years later I thought, "You know," 611 00:38:33,900 --> 00:38:36,467 "Maybe there was really something going on here." 612 00:38:36,533 --> 00:38:40,300 Uhm, and then when it came to the standardized tests, uhm, 613 00:38:40,367 --> 00:38:47,166 I just did very, very poorly on standardized tests, both the SATs and the GREs. 614 00:38:47,233 --> 00:38:53,867 The only thing that I can figure out is this connection between, uhm, you know, my 615 00:38:53,934 --> 00:38:57,734 complete inability to see a new word and pronounce it. I still can't do that. 616 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,600 Reading when my kids were small. Reading dinosaur books. 617 00:39:00,667 --> 00:39:02,333 I couldn't do it. (LAUGHS) 618 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,633 All those dinosaur names I would pronounce them wrong every single time. 619 00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:09,033 Unless I would memorize them. Like triceratops, I can get that one now. 620 00:39:09,100 --> 00:39:12,000 Or ichthyosaurs, but that's only because I've memorized it. 621 00:39:12,066 --> 00:39:14,166 And then when my son was dyslexic, 622 00:39:14,233 --> 00:39:16,667 I had a little bit more understanding when he had, 623 00:39:16,734 --> 00:39:20,734 when he had trouble in school and needed the tutoring and all of that sort of stuff. 624 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,633 It was very clear to me 625 00:39:22,700 --> 00:39:25,400 that it was going to be helpful for him to get tutoring really early. 626 00:39:25,467 --> 00:39:29,033 And then I read all the books on dyslexia, uhm, and, uhm, 627 00:39:29,100 --> 00:39:30,934 decided that, you know, 628 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,867 to help him along. And he's done very well now, 629 00:39:33,934 --> 00:39:36,600 and he's in regular school, so... 630 00:39:36,667 --> 00:39:39,433 But now, you know, having thought more about the dyslexia 631 00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:42,133 and all that sort of stuff and read more about it, uhm, 632 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,000 I go back and I question, you know, 633 00:39:44,066 --> 00:39:46,567 "Maybe I really wasn't as stupid as I thought I was?" 634 00:39:46,633 --> 00:39:49,333 And, you know, I learned that I had to work hard, 635 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,867 but maybe I was putting myself in a different category 636 00:39:52,934 --> 00:39:55,166 uh, because there wasn't anyone around to say, 637 00:39:55,233 --> 00:39:58,600 "It's not because you're stupid, it's because you have this other, uhm, 638 00:39:58,667 --> 00:40:01,033 this other issue," which I can now say to my son. 639 00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:04,000 I can say, you know, "Look, I'm a professor at Johns Hopkins. 640 00:40:04,066 --> 00:40:08,633 Just because you're dyslexic doesn't mean you can't do anything you want to do." 641 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,000 So, we acquire two types of images, 642 00:40:19,066 --> 00:40:22,834 those that contain functional information about where there's brain activity 643 00:40:22,900 --> 00:40:25,667 and another that gives us information about brain anatomy. 644 00:40:25,734 --> 00:40:30,066 And this scan here, which is our participant's brain at this point. 645 00:40:30,133 --> 00:40:33,633 And we're just scrolling from the left side to the right side of the brain 646 00:40:33,700 --> 00:40:37,700 and we can begin to see the brain structures that we're interested in. 647 00:40:37,767 --> 00:40:39,567 The goal of using brain imaging 648 00:40:39,633 --> 00:40:42,667 is to help us understand how the brain is specialized for different 649 00:40:42,734 --> 00:40:46,133 functions, and the function that we're interested in is reading. 650 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,000 People who doubt whether there's such a thing as dyslexia, 651 00:40:49,066 --> 00:40:53,333 I think there should be no doubt in their mind because the research is so clear. 652 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,133 The technology that we use, brain imaging, 653 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,867 is one of the areas where I think it's really helped people to understand 654 00:40:59,934 --> 00:41:02,633 that even though this is an invisible condition, 655 00:41:02,700 --> 00:41:06,834 it's now become visible because we can see it in the brain. 656 00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:10,467 It's been known, for almost 30 years now, 657 00:41:10,533 --> 00:41:13,066 that when you look at the brain anatomy of a person 658 00:41:13,133 --> 00:41:16,600 with and without dyslexia, that there are some differences that 659 00:41:16,667 --> 00:41:19,166 you can see almost with the naked eye. 660 00:41:19,233 --> 00:41:24,467 And what people have found is that when you at readers who 661 00:41:24,533 --> 00:41:28,667 are skilled readers, we see a network in the left hemisphere 662 00:41:28,734 --> 00:41:33,166 involving regions in the temporal lobe 663 00:41:33,233 --> 00:41:38,333 and then up in parietal areas and then in frontal regions. 664 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,000 Three areas that are the sort of the typical network involved in reading. 665 00:41:42,066 --> 00:41:45,133 And what we find in people who are dyslexic readers, 666 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:49,200 areas in the back of the brain don't tend to be engaged during the reading process 667 00:41:49,266 --> 00:41:52,867 like they are in non-dyslexic readers. 668 00:41:52,934 --> 00:41:56,433 And what this is showing you is that areas in the left hemisphere 669 00:41:56,500 --> 00:42:00,000 tend to be under activated in people with dyslexia. 670 00:42:00,066 --> 00:42:01,800 That they're under activating 671 00:42:01,867 --> 00:42:06,000 areas back here in the brain in parietal and temporal cortices. 672 00:42:06,066 --> 00:42:07,967 But what's striking here 673 00:42:08,033 --> 00:42:10,400 are the changes that we've observed in the right hemisphere. 674 00:42:10,467 --> 00:42:12,400 We don't think of the right hemisphere 675 00:42:12,467 --> 00:42:14,734 as being that involved in the reading process. 676 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,767 And the change seems to have been brought about in part by the right hemisphere 677 00:42:18,834 --> 00:42:24,100 chiming in to what is normally considered a left hemisphere function. 678 00:42:24,166 --> 00:42:27,867 So developmental dyslexia is, is a learning disability 679 00:42:27,934 --> 00:42:32,033 in, in the field of learning disabilities, it's the most prominent learning disability. 680 00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:34,767 It accounts for about 80% of all learning disabilities. 681 00:42:34,834 --> 00:42:37,100 Why do children have dyslexia? Well, 682 00:42:37,166 --> 00:42:38,633 for a number of reasons. 683 00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:41,567 Again, it's thought to be inheritable so you will see 684 00:42:41,633 --> 00:42:45,266 uhm, in some individuals who have dyslexia that they have it in their family. 685 00:42:45,333 --> 00:42:47,367 If you have a parent with dyslexia, 686 00:42:47,433 --> 00:42:52,734 the chances that their child will have dyslexia are between 35 and 40%. 687 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,233 So it runs in families. We know that. 688 00:42:55,300 --> 00:42:57,000 I think it's important to recognize 689 00:42:57,066 --> 00:42:59,633 that when you work with a student who has dyslexia 690 00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:03,166 that this is a lifelong issue. It just doesn't go away. So, 691 00:43:03,233 --> 00:43:06,300 it helps in terms of having them develop the right attitude 692 00:43:06,367 --> 00:43:09,133 to recognize that they will always have to deal with this. 693 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,066 But the majority of the population with dyslexia is adult. 694 00:43:12,133 --> 00:43:14,266 And people shouldn't give up on the adults. 695 00:43:14,333 --> 00:43:17,667 The problem is that the adults are no longer in an educational setting 696 00:43:17,734 --> 00:43:19,800 where they receive interventions. 697 00:43:19,867 --> 00:43:23,367 And so they don't often have access to continue to improve their reading skills. 698 00:43:23,433 --> 00:43:26,133 But what we and others have shown is that, that 699 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,633 when you teach an adult with dyslexia to learn to read they can still make gains. 700 00:43:30,700 --> 00:43:34,066 And the brain is really quite plastic. It shows a really 701 00:43:34,133 --> 00:43:37,100 significant way in which it's organized for reading. 702 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,467 There are those who believe there is something to do 703 00:43:42,533 --> 00:43:45,100 with a literal configuration of the brain, 704 00:43:45,166 --> 00:43:48,867 the ability to process certain ways 705 00:43:48,934 --> 00:43:50,767 and uhm, 706 00:43:50,834 --> 00:43:54,834 that it is a disorder, a deficit, a dysfunction 707 00:43:54,900 --> 00:43:58,533 within the brain. That is a medicalized view. 708 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:03,700 Uhm, the other view that I prefer and tend towards is 709 00:44:05,467 --> 00:44:07,066 this is just human variation 710 00:44:07,133 --> 00:44:10,066 and people are born all different kinds of ways. 711 00:44:10,133 --> 00:44:13,433 Whereas if you think the human race is divided into two peoples, 712 00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:16,166 the learning disabled and the non learning disabled, 713 00:44:16,233 --> 00:44:19,900 it gets super questionable because people 714 00:44:19,967 --> 00:44:24,367 think, uhm, that's what defines that person. 715 00:44:24,433 --> 00:44:28,667 But, in essence, a label has been given to them, uhm, 716 00:44:28,734 --> 00:44:32,400 and it's meant to be beneficial in theory. 717 00:44:32,467 --> 00:44:36,066 But in many cases and in sometimes the majority of cases 718 00:44:36,133 --> 00:44:39,400 it could be detrimental to the kid depending upon 719 00:44:39,467 --> 00:44:42,633 where their school is located, the quality of their 720 00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:45,700 teachers teaching them. All that kind of stuff. 721 00:44:45,767 --> 00:44:47,934 They become sort of 2nd class citizens. 722 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,066 The system did not recognize that. 723 00:44:50,133 --> 00:44:53,400 Special Education, as a field, does not really recognize that, 724 00:44:53,467 --> 00:44:55,767 which is very troubling indeed. 725 00:44:55,834 --> 00:44:59,934 Uhm, people who have been labeled, that label kind of sticks with them for life. 726 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,133 It's like it becomes inscribed upon them 727 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:08,934 and they internalize it and they kind of come to think of themselves as not as good, 728 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:15,700 uhm, inferior to, not normal, ah, etcetera etcetera. 729 00:45:15,767 --> 00:45:21,700 And I think psychologically that's very cruel to do to kids. 730 00:45:21,767 --> 00:45:24,700 I mean Special Education really, 731 00:45:24,767 --> 00:45:29,767 I hate to put it this way. It's dressed up and it's called "special," 732 00:45:29,834 --> 00:45:34,100 but it really is education of students who have been labeled disabled. 733 00:45:36,633 --> 00:45:39,934 It probably started 734 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,300 when I was in elementary school 735 00:45:42,367 --> 00:45:49,667 uhm, when I was, uhm, pulled out of a regular 6th grade edu...uhm, regular class 736 00:45:49,734 --> 00:45:51,734 into a Special Education class. 737 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:56,400 They never labeled me as special or as different. 738 00:45:56,467 --> 00:46:01,767 They just said I was really slow in comprehending and, uhm, doing my work, 739 00:46:01,834 --> 00:46:05,066 especially with math and reading and writing. 740 00:46:05,133 --> 00:46:08,200 INTERVIEWER: Did they ever say you were dyslexic? No. 741 00:46:08,266 --> 00:46:10,834 They just said I was slow. 742 00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:14,867 Sometimes when you're an inner city kid locked into a box 743 00:46:14,934 --> 00:46:19,934 with limited socio economic skills and things like that, 744 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:26,300 you can't really see yourself as being beyond a learning disability child or student. 745 00:46:26,367 --> 00:46:31,367 Uhm, I think that label sometimes really places students in a box 746 00:46:31,433 --> 00:46:34,233 where they limit their abilities. 747 00:46:34,300 --> 00:46:38,266 And they really, it's hard for them to see what they're good at 748 00:46:38,333 --> 00:46:39,700 once they're labeled. 749 00:46:39,767 --> 00:46:45,066 So I sat, did my work, and just moved on, 750 00:46:45,133 --> 00:46:48,967 uhm, never really receiving much help but 751 00:46:49,033 --> 00:46:53,900 I guess because I was in a smaller class I was supposed to, but not really. 752 00:46:53,967 --> 00:46:56,767 INTERVIEWER: How long did you stay in Special Ed? 753 00:46:56,834 --> 00:46:59,300 Until I graduated high school. 754 00:46:59,367 --> 00:47:01,133 Once the kid is placed, 755 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,500 the kids used to call it the Roach Motel. 756 00:47:03,567 --> 00:47:06,800 Remember the advertisement, "Once You Check In, You Never Check Out?" 757 00:47:06,867 --> 00:47:10,367 And something like 2% of kids go back into general ed. 758 00:47:10,433 --> 00:47:13,500 or become de-certified and don't have their I.E.P., 759 00:47:13,567 --> 00:47:17,533 some minuscule amount, like 1 in 50 or something. 760 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,533 The kids who possibly are labeled dyslexic... 761 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,734 I have to go on record, as there are very few, uhm, 762 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:29,266 really good programs for kids who have been labeled dyslexic in public schools. 763 00:47:29,333 --> 00:47:33,800 I would say that, uhm, at least, at least 50% of kids, uh, 764 00:47:33,867 --> 00:47:36,033 with learning disabilities drop out, 765 00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:39,133 especially in the, uh, self contained classroom. 766 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,033 So, it's always been a big issue for me that kids who are labeled disabled, 767 00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:46,600 whether it's learning disabled or anything else, really should have access 768 00:47:46,667 --> 00:47:50,300 to all of the other kids and every learning opportunity, too. 769 00:47:50,367 --> 00:47:54,867 Because it's, uhm, more of a question of civil rights in a democracy. 770 00:47:54,934 --> 00:47:58,200 Like, who's to say you shouldn't really be in a classroom 771 00:47:58,266 --> 00:48:03,200 with the 95% of your non-disabled peers. 772 00:48:03,266 --> 00:48:07,767 Who benefits from labeling kids with disabilities? Who benefits from it? 773 00:48:07,834 --> 00:48:10,467 Often times, they're not the ones who benefit from it. 774 00:48:10,533 --> 00:48:12,767 Schools can run smoother, more efficiently. 775 00:48:12,834 --> 00:48:17,100 Teachers can be trained in clipped programs. "You learn this. You learn this." 776 00:48:17,166 --> 00:48:20,667 But does it really benefit the kids who are labeled disabled? 777 00:48:20,734 --> 00:48:25,900 Not the majority of them in my, uh, experience. 778 00:48:25,967 --> 00:48:29,834 So after high school, I, uhm, 779 00:48:29,900 --> 00:48:33,633 I tried to apply to Community College of Philadelphia. 780 00:48:33,700 --> 00:48:39,367 And, uhm, I took a test, the entry-level test, and I failed. 781 00:48:39,433 --> 00:48:44,200 And uhm, I went to a counselor and she said, 782 00:48:44,266 --> 00:48:46,934 "Who told you you can be here?" You know, 783 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,767 "How did you even get this far?" 784 00:48:49,834 --> 00:48:52,633 I mean, she yelled and screamed and 785 00:48:52,700 --> 00:48:55,367 that was the worst experience I ever had. 786 00:48:55,433 --> 00:48:57,700 Uhm, I gave up for a while. 787 00:48:57,767 --> 00:49:02,367 I gave up for a while and I thought that this was my life. 788 00:49:02,433 --> 00:49:06,667 I started, uhm, cleaning. Really. I thought that, "Okay, this is it." 789 00:49:06,734 --> 00:49:10,200 I actually ended up cleaning for the School District of Philadelphia. 790 00:49:10,266 --> 00:49:16,467 Uhm, and I was in there, I was actually cleaning for quite some time, uhm, 791 00:49:16,533 --> 00:49:20,300 because I thought that this is my ability. 792 00:49:20,367 --> 00:49:22,633 This is all that I can do. 793 00:49:22,700 --> 00:49:26,567 I still had that drive somewhere deep inside of me 794 00:49:26,633 --> 00:49:30,600 that I knew I could do better, but I really didn't know how. 795 00:49:33,133 --> 00:49:38,100 Uhm, my faith kept me going honestly, my faith. 796 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,133 My faith and 797 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,533 just knowing that there had to be something better than this. 798 00:49:49,633 --> 00:49:53,200 I couldn't be limited to just, 799 00:49:55,233 --> 00:49:59,734 just being told that I was dumb and stupid 800 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:01,967 and just embracing it. 801 00:50:05,133 --> 00:50:08,033 I knew it was something better for me. 802 00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:10,467 I just didn't know how to get it. 803 00:50:10,533 --> 00:50:15,066 Dyslexia is a special way of seeing things. I like to call it a different kind of mind. 804 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,200 What kind of mind? In Theo's case, first rate. 805 00:50:22,266 --> 00:50:26,166 He has the brainpower. He just has a glitch in the way he takes in information. 806 00:50:26,233 --> 00:50:27,567 A glitch? 807 00:50:27,633 --> 00:50:30,367 Yes, he just has a problem in the way that he processes language. 808 00:50:30,433 --> 00:50:33,200 Does that mean that there's nothing we can do? Not at all. 809 00:50:33,266 --> 00:50:37,000 There are specialists who can help dyslexics overcome their learning problems. 810 00:50:37,066 --> 00:50:40,767 All he has to do is work with the program they set up. You mean if my son 811 00:50:40,834 --> 00:50:43,567 does what they want him to he can be helped? Yes! 812 00:50:43,633 --> 00:50:47,600 From an episode of The Cosby Show, that's actually I thought, 813 00:50:47,667 --> 00:50:52,100 "Wow, I struggle with reading and writing." They were talking about how 814 00:50:52,166 --> 00:50:59,066 Theo's challenges were with dyslexia. And I never knew what dyslexia was at the time. 815 00:50:59,133 --> 00:51:01,967 I really, a light went on and it was a relief 816 00:51:02,033 --> 00:51:04,667 because all these years I never knew what I had. 817 00:51:04,734 --> 00:51:10,066 I just struggled. I went on to college or I went back to college (LAUGHS) 818 00:51:10,133 --> 00:51:17,367 with the help of a tutor, Judith Mazur, who's still a tremendous support to me. 819 00:51:17,433 --> 00:51:24,400 Uhm, I worked with her for three years prior to going back to college. 820 00:51:24,467 --> 00:51:29,233 And I applied to, uhm, Harcum College and I got in. 821 00:51:29,300 --> 00:51:34,500 I got accepted and I completed Harcum within 822 00:51:34,567 --> 00:51:37,700 two to three years with a 4.0 823 00:51:39,700 --> 00:51:43,200 I believe dyslexia is a part of who you are. 824 00:51:44,133 --> 00:51:45,633 But it's not, 825 00:51:47,100 --> 00:51:50,667 it's not who you are as a person. It's just what you have. 826 00:51:52,834 --> 00:51:57,767 NARRATOR: More students with dyslexia are attending four year liberal arts colleges 827 00:51:57,834 --> 00:52:01,300 like Evergreen State College in Olympia, Washington. 828 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,100 If a student discloses her disability, 829 00:52:05,166 --> 00:52:09,033 she is protected by the Americans With Disabilities Act 830 00:52:09,100 --> 00:52:12,200 that insures she receives the accommodations needed 831 00:52:12,266 --> 00:52:14,633 to succeed with college level work. 832 00:52:16,834 --> 00:52:21,433 I have been still dealing with this anxiety about going into a classroom 833 00:52:21,500 --> 00:52:24,867 and it takes, it does take a lot, it takes a lot of energy 834 00:52:24,934 --> 00:52:29,700 and people don't realize how that wears down on you after awhile. 835 00:52:29,767 --> 00:52:33,667 And kind of how easy it is to just give up and fall through the cracks. 836 00:52:33,734 --> 00:52:35,934 It's actually taken a while for 837 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,533 me to be able to talk to my housemates 838 00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:42,166 and have them not go, "Why are you here?" Like, 839 00:52:42,233 --> 00:52:44,333 but to really talk to them about 840 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,800 the struggles that I'm facing. Because for, 841 00:52:47,867 --> 00:52:53,533 I think for them in their minds, uhm, 842 00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,767 you have this limitation. (MIMICS HOUSEMATES) "Why, why are you here?" 843 00:53:02,767 --> 00:53:07,000 What I really want to do is definitely give you this accommodation letter 844 00:53:07,066 --> 00:53:11,033 and make sure you understand everything that's on it. Okay. 845 00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:13,567 Alright. Good. That's a good place to start. Okay. 846 00:53:13,633 --> 00:53:17,266 This is kind of always a balancing act for me, uhm, 847 00:53:17,333 --> 00:53:21,567 whether or not, how much I want to disclose. 848 00:53:21,633 --> 00:53:26,767 One of the reasons why we try at least teach in two or three different modalities 849 00:53:26,834 --> 00:53:30,333 because we have lots of people with different learning styles in the class. 850 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:35,700 We have a young man who's slightly autistic and has asperg. 851 00:53:35,767 --> 00:53:37,533 (STUTTERING) Asperger's? 852 00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,467 Say it again. Asperger's Asperger's. 853 00:53:39,533 --> 00:53:43,533 And then we have, uhm, two people with dyslexia 854 00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:49,367 (STUTTERING) and uh, one person with anxiety, extreme anxiety. 855 00:53:49,433 --> 00:53:52,900 So, I've got to watch got to watch her rhythm and how much she can take. 856 00:53:52,967 --> 00:53:56,133 And so that's why we try to focus the learning 857 00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,567 so not only the instruction 858 00:53:58,633 --> 00:54:02,633 deals with different learning styles and different patterns 859 00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:04,300 but also the presentation. 860 00:54:04,367 --> 00:54:08,133 I taught, uh, mime one time to a woman who was blind. 861 00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:13,333 And that was such a great experience for me because it really taught me about 862 00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:18,834 how many of my, uh, references were visual and how much I used the blackboard. 863 00:54:18,900 --> 00:54:22,033 So, I had to switch everything around to make sure that she, 864 00:54:22,100 --> 00:54:23,667 you know, could, uhm, 865 00:54:23,734 --> 00:54:26,166 that she could understand the concepts and stuff. 866 00:54:26,233 --> 00:54:29,800 And do a lot of, you know, tactile stuff using your hands and things. 867 00:54:29,867 --> 00:54:35,633 So yeah, the major thing is for you to achieve success. 868 00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:40,000 So, however, you know, we just say where the shore is 869 00:54:40,066 --> 00:54:43,233 and then you can choose whether you want to breast stroke 870 00:54:43,300 --> 00:54:46,633 or whether you want to crawl or whether you want to do it under water. 871 00:54:46,700 --> 00:54:49,633 Okay, so uhm, for me visual processing is 872 00:54:49,700 --> 00:54:52,033 probably the best, uhm, Mm-hmm. Mm-Hmm. 873 00:54:52,100 --> 00:54:57,100 it's helpful for me to look back at notes. 874 00:54:57,166 --> 00:55:00,734 But I don't take notes as fast as I would like to. Okay. 875 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,300 I think that, what might be interesting to try with you, 876 00:55:04,367 --> 00:55:08,900 which hasn't worked with other professors, but I think it might work is just, uhm, 877 00:55:08,967 --> 00:55:14,100 maybe after class coming up and expanding on some of the things I've jotted down. 878 00:55:14,166 --> 00:55:15,734 Perfect. 879 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,834 'Cause usually something resonates with me 880 00:55:17,900 --> 00:55:21,300 and I want to keep talking about it. Okay. 881 00:55:21,367 --> 00:55:23,934 I don't really understand how other people 882 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,567 get through. 883 00:55:25,633 --> 00:55:28,934 I think some people kind of hide it or, uhm, 884 00:55:30,467 --> 00:55:32,333 I have no idea 'cause this is how 885 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,834 I've learned that 886 00:55:35,867 --> 00:55:39,000 I get what I need to get through. 887 00:55:39,066 --> 00:55:41,900 Uhm, by having these types of meetings 888 00:55:41,967 --> 00:55:46,233 and we are supposed to have these types of meetings 889 00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:51,233 in order to legally have the school provide these services. 890 00:55:51,300 --> 00:55:55,600 But I've been told by some professors who have been here for years 891 00:55:55,667 --> 00:56:00,000 that sometimes I'm the first student who's ever done that with them. 892 00:56:00,066 --> 00:56:03,133 Uhm, and I'm not sure why that is. 893 00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,333 That scares me a little bit. 894 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,734 Uhm, but also that 895 00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:13,333 dyslexia is associated with all the other 896 00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,300 disabilities and all of a sudden once you say "dyslexia," 897 00:56:17,367 --> 00:56:19,400 all of a sudden what pops into their head 898 00:56:19,467 --> 00:56:23,567 is all the other students who are having issues in the class. 899 00:56:23,633 --> 00:56:26,200 And so there isn't an understanding 900 00:56:26,266 --> 00:56:29,066 by professors on what that actually means. 901 00:56:39,567 --> 00:56:43,834 The U.S. government continues to give huge tax breaks and pay outs 902 00:56:43,900 --> 00:56:46,667 to the oil, gas, and coal industries. 903 00:56:46,734 --> 00:56:51,867 Meanwhile, the fledgling solar and wind industries are left to beg and plead 904 00:56:51,934 --> 00:56:56,367 just to get extensions of their modest tax credits. 905 00:56:56,433 --> 00:57:00,367 One of the things that I've just kind of realized is that 906 00:57:00,433 --> 00:57:01,567 I... 907 00:57:03,767 --> 00:57:07,734 like, not not being able to read as 908 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,266 at a young age made it so that, uhm, 909 00:57:12,266 --> 00:57:14,266 I don't have a lot of the 910 00:57:14,333 --> 00:57:19,100 strategies that other people do. Uhm, and I don't have, 911 00:57:19,166 --> 00:57:21,667 even with assistive technology, 912 00:57:21,734 --> 00:57:23,200 I don't, 913 00:57:23,266 --> 00:57:25,133 I haven't really developed 914 00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,133 the skills of comprehension, 915 00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,166 comprehensive reading, uhm, 916 00:57:33,066 --> 00:57:36,467 and so I feel like I'm constantly kinda playing catch up with that. 917 00:57:36,533 --> 00:57:39,800 I can feel that, uhm, 918 00:57:39,867 --> 00:57:44,467 your brain has to think in a completely different way when you're reading text. 919 00:57:44,533 --> 00:57:46,000 And... 920 00:57:46,066 --> 00:57:48,967 my brain hasn't completely adapted to it yet. 921 00:57:49,033 --> 00:57:52,233 From a battery powered radio, they heard 922 00:57:52,300 --> 00:57:55,500 that the media were talking about the encampments. 923 00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,233 If this is the first friend you make at college, 924 00:58:04,533 --> 00:58:09,200 (LAUGHINGLY) let's just say it's not a very welcoming sort of environment. 925 00:58:09,266 --> 00:58:10,734 ...encampments. 926 00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,200 Officials were being asked what they were going to do 927 00:58:13,266 --> 00:58:16,467 with all the families living along the freeway. 928 00:58:16,533 --> 00:58:19,033 (INDISTINCT CHATTERING) 929 00:58:19,100 --> 00:58:21,633 PHRED: There are so many times where 930 00:58:21,700 --> 00:58:24,567 I never thought I'd make it. 931 00:58:24,633 --> 00:58:27,300 If I could project myself back in time 932 00:58:27,367 --> 00:58:29,767 and tell my kindergarten self 933 00:58:29,834 --> 00:58:31,900 you're gonna be here. 934 00:58:31,967 --> 00:58:34,433 There's no way I would have believed it. 935 00:58:36,467 --> 00:58:41,433 For a long time I'm thinking, like, "This is a privilege have to work for." 936 00:58:41,500 --> 00:58:44,533 That this is a privilege I will never have innately 937 00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,934 but I kind of have to fake it to make it. 938 00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,633 But really, I feel like 939 00:58:49,700 --> 00:58:51,967 at this point I need to believe that 940 00:58:52,033 --> 00:58:54,233 I have just as much right 941 00:58:54,300 --> 00:58:56,834 to be here as anyone else. 942 00:59:01,300 --> 00:59:04,066 When I've tried to express to people that books 943 00:59:04,133 --> 00:59:07,433 cornered me in the form that they were in, 944 00:59:07,500 --> 00:59:09,233 they didn't want to hear it. 945 00:59:09,300 --> 00:59:12,700 They didn't want to hear I had a hard time reading. 946 00:59:12,767 --> 00:59:17,667 "Well, not my son," or, "Well, well, you struggle a little bit." 947 00:59:17,734 --> 00:59:20,133 "But really, if you focus, 948 00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,867 if you really bear down, you can probably do it." 949 00:59:22,934 --> 00:59:25,367 Well, someone in a wheelchair 950 00:59:25,433 --> 00:59:29,767 can get up stairs. I've seen them do it at protests. 951 00:59:29,834 --> 00:59:32,000 My friend David Carmel, he could do it. 952 00:59:32,066 --> 00:59:34,867 Throw himself on the stairs, and with his elbows 953 00:59:34,934 --> 00:59:39,533 pull himself up one by one. Right? 954 00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,700 But that's not, in our colloquial sense, "getting up stairs." 955 00:59:43,767 --> 00:59:46,533 Right? He's proving that they need a ramp. 956 00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,667 Overcoming dyslexia is a catch phrase that 957 00:59:49,734 --> 00:59:55,166 belies an interest in fixing people. 958 00:59:56,567 --> 00:59:58,767 I don't need to be fixed 959 00:59:58,834 --> 01:00:00,667 you know? And by the 960 01:00:00,734 --> 01:00:04,667 external measures, I've done it, I've succeeded. I have a JD/MBA from Stanford. 961 01:00:04,734 --> 01:00:08,600 I have a job in Silicon Valley. I have a happy life. I have a wonderful wife. 962 01:00:08,667 --> 01:00:12,567 I have a home. I have everything everyone's supposed to get in the American Dream. 963 01:00:12,633 --> 01:00:14,900 Do I need to overcome? 964 01:00:14,967 --> 01:00:15,934 No. 965 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,433 I read terribly. 966 01:00:18,500 --> 01:00:21,033 I spell abysmally. 967 01:00:21,100 --> 01:00:24,066 I am in the bottom 1% 968 01:00:24,133 --> 01:00:27,300 in my ability to identify a letter when you show it to me. 969 01:00:27,367 --> 01:00:30,266 Off the charts. I have MRI's that show 970 01:00:30,333 --> 01:00:32,900 zero activity in my temporal parietal lobe. 971 01:00:32,967 --> 01:00:35,066 Not zero, but very, very, very, very little 972 01:00:35,133 --> 01:00:39,400 which is where most people have, like, a Christmas tree of activity. 973 01:00:39,467 --> 01:00:41,633 The act of reading the word 974 01:00:41,700 --> 01:00:43,834 is like taking me back in front of the stairs 975 01:00:43,900 --> 01:00:47,100 and having me go up them on my elbows every time. At some point, 976 01:00:47,166 --> 01:00:48,767 you need to let go of that, 977 01:00:48,834 --> 01:00:52,900 and move forward because the interesting part about dyslexia 978 01:00:53,834 --> 01:00:55,133 is the future. 979 01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,100 It's not what happened. It's what's gonna happen. 980 01:00:58,166 --> 01:00:59,500 Moving forward, 981 01:00:59,567 --> 01:01:02,500 I've gotten accommodations. Now, 982 01:01:02,567 --> 01:01:06,867 I can take a device and take a photograph of something and have it read to me. 983 01:01:06,934 --> 01:01:11,200 I can, uh, scan it with a flatbed scanner 984 01:01:11,266 --> 01:01:14,867 and turn it into speech so that I can hear it. 985 01:01:14,934 --> 01:01:16,600 I used to 986 01:01:16,667 --> 01:01:20,567 fax my term papers home to my mother and have her read them to me over the phone. 987 01:01:20,633 --> 01:01:23,567 Right? Now I have a computer do it. 988 01:01:23,633 --> 01:01:26,066 The computers are doubling 989 01:01:26,133 --> 01:01:29,934 in their capability every two years, every 18 months. 990 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,667 So I knew that soon I'd be able to put it all together in one box. 991 01:01:33,734 --> 01:01:36,667 And I started thinking about how to design that. 992 01:01:36,734 --> 01:01:38,900 Uh, and what I came up with was 993 01:01:40,266 --> 01:01:42,066 take a picture... 994 01:01:43,433 --> 01:01:45,500 ...and hear it. 995 01:01:45,567 --> 01:01:47,533 Point. Shoot. Listen. 996 01:01:50,667 --> 01:01:53,200 Uh, now I turn on the camera 997 01:01:54,300 --> 01:01:56,567 and I take a picture, like so. 998 01:02:00,467 --> 01:02:02,100 Long before that 999 01:02:02,166 --> 01:02:04,800 as many efforts always have, 1000 01:02:04,867 --> 01:02:08,500 they go stand inside among the row of narrow chairs, 1001 01:02:08,567 --> 01:02:12,500 each one turned to face the street. She looks for their waiter but can't... 1002 01:02:14,100 --> 01:02:16,266 That's it reading, and so 1003 01:02:16,333 --> 01:02:17,600 That waiter. 1004 01:02:17,667 --> 01:02:19,333 Waiter. 1005 01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,800 I probably couldn't spell that word. 1006 01:02:21,867 --> 01:02:26,800 "w-a-i-t-e-r." 1007 01:02:26,867 --> 01:02:29,800 We just took that text off the page and are able to read it. 1008 01:02:29,867 --> 01:02:32,700 And that gives me access to the text. It's that simple. 1009 01:02:32,767 --> 01:02:35,400 I have access. Now, 1010 01:02:35,467 --> 01:02:37,500 I believe that this technology 1011 01:02:37,567 --> 01:02:40,233 is a ramp into a book. 1012 01:02:40,300 --> 01:02:43,066 And this is one embodiment of it. 1013 01:02:43,133 --> 01:02:46,200 There are many others that will be out there in the future. 1014 01:02:46,266 --> 01:02:47,767 And I'm committed 1015 01:02:47,834 --> 01:02:50,200 to making it available to more and more people 1016 01:02:50,266 --> 01:02:52,734 because if you have this access, 1017 01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:54,633 then you have access to that text, 1018 01:02:54,700 --> 01:02:57,533 and ultimately you have access to hope 1019 01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,000 and self-respect. 1020 01:03:33,100 --> 01:03:37,033 You know we're a foundation that focuses on the formation of new businesses. 1021 01:03:37,100 --> 01:03:40,066 The last thing on earth a foundation that deals with businesses 1022 01:03:40,133 --> 01:03:44,333 would ever focus on is the question of dyslexics? 1023 01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,900 And the connection of these 1024 01:03:46,967 --> 01:03:50,000 traits in individual human beings 1025 01:03:50,066 --> 01:03:52,266 with business formation. 1026 01:03:52,333 --> 01:03:54,633 Success. Dyslexia. 1027 01:03:54,700 --> 01:03:58,400 Here are four or five people who created huge, critically important companies 1028 01:03:58,467 --> 01:04:01,633 to the United States and to the world. 1029 01:04:01,700 --> 01:04:04,367 Dyslexic? How can this be? 1030 01:04:06,100 --> 01:04:07,533 The real issue is 1031 01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,300 who has the talents 1032 01:04:09,367 --> 01:04:12,000 to put together huge, new companies 1033 01:04:12,066 --> 01:04:14,300 and create the new? 1034 01:04:14,367 --> 01:04:16,333 So one of the questions was, 1035 01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,734 "Are these people more visionary?" 1036 01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:20,767 "Can they see things differently?" 1037 01:04:22,166 --> 01:04:24,567 They come to a realization that 1038 01:04:24,633 --> 01:04:27,266 that society keeps pronouncing the number of skill sets 1039 01:04:27,333 --> 01:04:30,667 that are necessary for success, they don't seem to have. 1040 01:04:30,734 --> 01:04:32,633 And they go out and build 1041 01:04:32,700 --> 01:04:35,100 the environment in which they will succeed. 1042 01:04:35,166 --> 01:04:38,867 That's, sort of, my working hypothesis to explain 1043 01:04:38,934 --> 01:04:43,567 why all these entrepreneurs exist who have traits of dyslexia. 1044 01:04:45,033 --> 01:04:47,233 And lots of those people didn't go to college. 1045 01:04:47,300 --> 01:04:51,400 I am amazed again and again even in technical businesses 1046 01:04:51,467 --> 01:04:53,100 where people see 1047 01:04:53,166 --> 01:04:55,433 a business they can start. And you know, 1048 01:04:55,500 --> 01:04:58,867 that may be startling but if you think about it, 1049 01:04:58,934 --> 01:05:02,133 you don't have to have a degree to become an entrepreneur. 1050 01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:05,400 And it's these people who are the resistors, the outsiders. 1051 01:05:06,734 --> 01:05:09,600 Who make inordinate contributions 1052 01:05:09,667 --> 01:05:11,367 that benefit humankind. 1053 01:05:11,433 --> 01:05:13,233 They expand human welfare. 1054 01:05:13,300 --> 01:05:15,800 Entrepreneurs expand human welfare. 1055 01:05:15,867 --> 01:05:18,567 And to the extent we have more dyslexics doing this, 1056 01:05:18,633 --> 01:05:22,600 you might say that dyslexics have a particular license 1057 01:05:22,667 --> 01:05:26,100 on the capacity to expand human welfare. 1058 01:05:26,166 --> 01:05:27,800 I think when you start, 1059 01:05:27,867 --> 01:05:32,066 you start, by taking, uh, really big risks. 1060 01:05:32,133 --> 01:05:35,300 And you've got nothing to lose, oftentimes. 1061 01:05:35,367 --> 01:05:38,867 In my case I had nothing to lose. I had no money so you just went for it. 1062 01:05:38,934 --> 01:05:40,800 Whatever you could possibly do, 1063 01:05:40,867 --> 01:05:44,700 and if you made a dollar and lost it the next day, no one's worrying about it. 1064 01:05:44,767 --> 01:05:46,867 I still think I take risks 1065 01:05:46,934 --> 01:05:50,233 but they have to be far more calculated. There's far more responsibility. 1066 01:05:50,300 --> 01:05:53,934 Say I'll put a million dollars aside to work on a project 1067 01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,000 and if we lose it, we lose it. 1068 01:05:56,066 --> 01:06:00,166 And believe me I've done it. (STUTTERING) I've 1069 01:06:00,233 --> 01:06:02,867 fortunately made more than I've lost 1070 01:06:02,934 --> 01:06:06,533 and therefore managed to stay above water here. 1071 01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:11,600 Uh, but, uh, I've lost millions, and millions and millions of dollars. 1072 01:06:11,667 --> 01:06:15,800 So I was 24 years old, 23 years old, when I first saw a pellet stove 1073 01:06:15,867 --> 01:06:19,333 and I went to this stove shop and said, "Geez this is an amazing thing. 1074 01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:23,500 I've never seen anything like this. And they have these pellets in there and I, uhm... 1075 01:06:23,567 --> 01:06:26,066 He said, "So, are you interested in buying a stove?" 1076 01:06:26,133 --> 01:06:30,233 And I said, "Yeah, I kinda am. It's kind of new. Where do all these pellets come from?" 1077 01:06:30,300 --> 01:06:34,266 And he says, "Well, Montana." And I said, "Well that seems a little crazy. Montana." 1078 01:06:34,333 --> 01:06:37,000 I don't buy my firewood from Montana, my split firewood, 1079 01:06:37,066 --> 01:06:40,033 and everybody around me would never buy firewood from Montana. 1080 01:06:40,100 --> 01:06:41,767 "Why would this come from there?" 1081 01:06:41,834 --> 01:06:44,100 He said, "It's the only place that makes them." 1082 01:06:44,166 --> 01:06:47,033 And I said, (STUTTERING) "Why doesn't anybody make it here? 1083 01:06:47,100 --> 01:06:49,767 And he goes, "I don't know. Why don't you make it here?" 1084 01:06:49,834 --> 01:06:52,867 STEVE: It's a pretty good sized facility. 1085 01:06:52,934 --> 01:06:56,000 This is one of the larger ones in the country. 1086 01:06:57,734 --> 01:07:01,667 There's about five weeks of wood behind us here, 1087 01:07:01,734 --> 01:07:05,233 and this pile, by the way, extends much longer than it is wide. 1088 01:07:05,300 --> 01:07:09,934 And it comprised about 25, 20 1089 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,066 20, about 20 tractor-trailer loads a day of wood. 1090 01:07:13,133 --> 01:07:15,767 And here's one coming in right now. 1091 01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:23,000 STEVE: Each of these plants is off setting approximately, 1092 01:07:23,066 --> 01:07:26,367 producing something around a thousand, twelve hundred gallons of oil 1093 01:07:26,433 --> 01:07:29,567 equivalent of energy per hour. 1094 01:07:29,633 --> 01:07:33,800 Somewhere in the eight, nine, ten, eleven million gallons a year of oil 1095 01:07:33,867 --> 01:07:38,100 that we're displacing with these facilities. 1096 01:07:38,166 --> 01:07:42,867 My ultimate goal is to have dozens and dozens and dozens of these facilities. 1097 01:07:45,667 --> 01:07:51,400 I think technically it was in the 2nd grade that I was labeled with dyslexia. 1098 01:07:51,467 --> 01:07:55,100 I knew at an incredibly young age that I had, uhm, 1099 01:07:55,166 --> 01:07:59,133 difficulties achieving things in school that everybody else was achieving 1100 01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,500 and I was expected to achieve. 1101 01:08:01,567 --> 01:08:04,533 And, of course, the curriculum I was given, 1102 01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,166 reading, was one of my challenges. Still is. 1103 01:08:07,233 --> 01:08:10,734 And probably a combination of not being very good at it and also 1104 01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:17,166 having so many awful memories of (STAMMERING) those days in school, 1105 01:08:17,233 --> 01:08:20,367 uhm, you know, I really don't read at all. 1106 01:08:20,433 --> 01:08:23,900 I've read two books in my life. 1107 01:08:23,967 --> 01:08:29,367 So, reading was brutal and I spent years and years and years having people, 1108 01:08:29,433 --> 01:08:33,000 tutors, trying to get me to read. And it was right around, 1109 01:08:33,066 --> 01:08:36,667 it's probably around 8th grade is where I first actually learned how to read. 1110 01:08:36,734 --> 01:08:39,867 I faked it. I got through school really not being able to read. 1111 01:08:39,934 --> 01:08:43,500 Oh! And the high school machine shop, that was the one thing in high school 1112 01:08:43,567 --> 01:08:45,400 I could go in and just eat alive. 1113 01:08:45,467 --> 01:08:48,066 Uhm, and the teacher just loved it. I mean that was 1114 01:08:48,133 --> 01:08:51,200 the only pat on the back that I got that I knew wasn't sympathy. 1115 01:08:51,266 --> 01:08:56,934 And, uhm, Pasanka, was his name. And he... 1116 01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:00,400 ...he would stay after school and just let me play. 1117 01:09:00,467 --> 01:09:04,367 And, uhm, that's where I learned. 1118 01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:10,367 And all the other classes you could take away. 1119 01:09:10,433 --> 01:09:12,500 (WHISPERING) Just not that one. 1120 01:09:12,567 --> 01:09:13,734 Sorry. 1121 01:09:16,867 --> 01:09:19,900 (CRYING) 1122 01:09:21,367 --> 01:09:23,867 In school, 1123 01:09:24,900 --> 01:09:26,900 it was amazing to sit in... 1124 01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,166 You know, I really suffered through school. 1125 01:09:33,233 --> 01:09:37,867 And I finally got to high school and they had these shops, 1126 01:09:37,934 --> 01:09:41,700 you know, really amazing places. 1127 01:09:41,767 --> 01:09:43,767 And these teachers really liked what I did. 1128 01:09:43,834 --> 01:09:46,800 INTERVIEWER: What were you making? Oh, anything, everything. 1129 01:09:46,867 --> 01:09:49,967 I mean, there were parts and pieces of machines, 1130 01:09:50,033 --> 01:09:52,533 and I liked bicycles so I was creating new parts. 1131 01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:56,266 I couldn't afford the really fancy bicycle parts, so I would copy them 1132 01:09:56,333 --> 01:09:58,934 and create them in the machine shop. 1133 01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:00,834 And then the wood shop next door, 1134 01:10:00,900 --> 01:10:03,467 and I'd build molds and come up with ideas and models 1135 01:10:03,533 --> 01:10:06,233 and I'd go over to the metal shop 1136 01:10:06,300 --> 01:10:08,567 and they had this auto shop. 1137 01:10:08,633 --> 01:10:12,300 I would work hours and hours in that shop at night. 1138 01:10:12,367 --> 01:10:16,734 Wasn't allowed to be in there. I mean, they even tape the damn thing off and uhm, 1139 01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,333 uh, he would turn on the power and let me go. 1140 01:10:21,500 --> 01:10:23,066 So. 1141 01:10:23,133 --> 01:10:24,934 But systematically 1142 01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,400 the school shut down all the shops. 1143 01:10:28,567 --> 01:10:31,066 (VOICE CRACKING) And it was the last blow. 1144 01:10:31,133 --> 01:10:33,400 (SNIFFS) 1145 01:10:33,467 --> 01:10:37,700 INTERVIEWER: So, it was during your time, your time in high school they closed it? 1146 01:10:37,767 --> 01:10:39,367 (WHISPERING) Yeah. 1147 01:10:40,500 --> 01:10:42,467 (SNIFFS) 1148 01:10:42,533 --> 01:10:44,767 (VOICE CRACKING) It was deplorable. 1149 01:10:46,233 --> 01:10:48,166 And, uh, ultimately, 1150 01:10:48,233 --> 01:10:53,100 obviously I got out of high school, made that attempt at college. 1151 01:10:53,166 --> 01:10:58,100 Uh, that failed and then I heard that this machine shop was up for sale. 1152 01:10:58,166 --> 01:11:01,500 So, they were gonna auction everything off 1153 01:11:01,567 --> 01:11:05,233 and, uh, I was the first one in line and that same Joe Pasanka was there to 1154 01:11:05,300 --> 01:11:09,500 help them figure out what was worth what and sell it and he was in charge of selling it. 1155 01:11:09,567 --> 01:11:12,066 I very carefully took the two thousand dollars 1156 01:11:12,133 --> 01:11:15,266 and adjusted what I felt the values were on everything to make sure 1157 01:11:15,333 --> 01:11:18,567 it spread over evenly, and I said, "Jesus, this isn't enough money. 1158 01:11:18,633 --> 01:11:22,100 There's nowhere near enough money and this isn't a fair price." 1159 01:11:22,166 --> 01:11:23,333 And 1160 01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,767 then he told me that, uh, 1161 01:11:26,834 --> 01:11:30,133 he said the value of something is what someone's willing to pay, 1162 01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:34,266 and you're the only one here. So you're paying exactly what it's worth. 1163 01:11:34,333 --> 01:11:37,066 And, uhm, I'll never forget that term. 1164 01:11:37,133 --> 01:11:39,200 So, I uh, I bought it 1165 01:11:39,266 --> 01:11:42,633 and loaded up all the machinery and took it home. 1166 01:11:42,700 --> 01:11:48,266 And uhm, I loaded it in my basement and reconfigured this whole thing. 1167 01:11:48,333 --> 01:11:50,767 I didn't even have enough electricity in my house, 1168 01:11:50,834 --> 01:11:53,000 so I had to re-jigger the electricity outside 1169 01:11:53,066 --> 01:11:57,200 and set up all these electric transformers and things in order to power all this stuff. 1170 01:11:57,266 --> 01:12:00,300 I needed three phase power and managed to get it all going. 1171 01:12:00,367 --> 01:12:05,967 And, uhm, and in that basement, I started creating this company. 1172 01:12:06,033 --> 01:12:08,100 And, uh, so out of my house, 1173 01:12:08,166 --> 01:12:11,567 with that high school machine shop, built this entire factory. 1174 01:12:11,633 --> 01:12:13,500 I mean, literally stuff from the dump. 1175 01:12:13,567 --> 01:12:16,066 I went to rubbish heaps and piles, and 1176 01:12:16,133 --> 01:12:18,934 and, 'cause I just didn't want to spend money on anything. 1177 01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:20,967 And we were making pellets there. 1178 01:12:21,033 --> 01:12:22,600 It did work. 1179 01:12:33,767 --> 01:12:36,033 You asked, you know, is it a gift? 1180 01:12:36,100 --> 01:12:40,033 Absolutely. I can assure you. You couldn't offer me 1181 01:12:40,100 --> 01:12:43,467 a hundred million dollars right now to take away my dyslexia, 1182 01:12:43,533 --> 01:12:47,133 if that's what you want to call it, and put me into normal learning. 1183 01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,834 There's no amount of money you could give me right now, 1184 01:12:49,900 --> 01:12:52,934 and I would have paid you anything in school 1185 01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:55,300 to make it go away. 1186 01:12:55,367 --> 01:12:58,800 So, it went from a huge burden 1187 01:12:58,867 --> 01:13:00,333 and this terrible disease 1188 01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:04,567 to a gift, that, that I am very confident is why 1189 01:13:04,633 --> 01:13:09,467 I'm as successful as I am and hope to be far, far, far more successful. 1190 01:13:12,834 --> 01:13:16,834 And so for me, the learning disability, I felt locked in there. 1191 01:13:16,900 --> 01:13:20,333 And I had to get out. And I found a way. 1192 01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:25,166 And anybody else with a learning disability can do exactly the same thing. 1193 01:13:25,233 --> 01:13:31,033 The mind is huge. The mind is incredible and there's not just one way that it works. 1194 01:13:31,100 --> 01:13:33,900 So what works for you, and you know it. 1195 01:13:33,967 --> 01:13:36,800 You can feel it in your gut. 1196 01:13:37,734 --> 01:13:40,233 When I read, 1197 01:13:40,300 --> 01:13:42,600 I'm not reading necessarily to comprehend. 1198 01:13:42,667 --> 01:13:47,200 But I'm photographing and memorizing everything that I see. 1199 01:13:47,266 --> 01:13:49,900 And I can go back and I can tell you 1200 01:13:49,967 --> 01:13:51,667 where that is, what number it is. 1201 01:13:51,734 --> 01:13:57,100 Just like I can still remember Roberta Walker's number in Hinkley 760... 1202 01:13:57,166 --> 01:13:59,734 and I can place that number on the keypad 1203 01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:01,533 and put it into my brain. 1204 01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,467 And I remember things that way and it actually became 1205 01:14:04,533 --> 01:14:09,867 my gift, in my way, to be successful in my career. 1206 01:14:09,934 --> 01:14:15,367 Even being a paralegal, secretary, assistant, anything that I was doing work wise, 1207 01:14:15,433 --> 01:14:18,233 if someone said, "Well, you wouldn't know how to do that." 1208 01:14:18,300 --> 01:14:21,233 Because maybe you'll pick up on my dyslexia 1209 01:14:21,300 --> 01:14:24,633 or you'll ask me to read and I'm not comprehending it right. Therefore, 1210 01:14:24,700 --> 01:14:28,300 they'll see something and think she doesn't know what she's doing. Yes, I do. 1211 01:14:28,367 --> 01:14:31,033 The minute I've been given that challenge, you will see. 1212 01:14:31,100 --> 01:14:34,233 And I think that it's something that, I'm very driven still, 1213 01:14:34,300 --> 01:14:39,100 uhm, when public health and safety is put in such harm's way 1214 01:14:39,166 --> 01:14:43,200 with so little disregard in making it right. I can't help myself 1215 01:14:43,266 --> 01:14:49,133 but to come forward and have to really be a voice for those people. 1216 01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:55,033 So, uhm, no again, I am not afraid of dyslexia at all, 1217 01:14:55,100 --> 01:14:56,934 nor should anybody else be. 1218 01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,734 I said in the beginning and I'll tell you again, 1219 01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:01,133 in hindsight, 1220 01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:03,300 it was my gift. 1221 01:15:05,734 --> 01:15:09,600 I wouldn't be who I am if I didn't have dyslexia. 1222 01:15:09,667 --> 01:15:12,934 And it opened a whole lotta doors for me. 1223 01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:16,500 It challenged me. It got me outside of that box. 1224 01:15:16,567 --> 01:15:20,066 I didn't want to be labeled. It taught me to stand up 1225 01:15:20,133 --> 01:15:24,767 and use my voice and be proud of who I am, and I do. 1226 01:15:24,834 --> 01:15:28,734 If you look at history, if you look at the people you've interviewed 1227 01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,867 and the studies they've done, um, 1228 01:15:31,934 --> 01:15:33,767 I think it's a great gift. 1229 01:15:33,834 --> 01:15:38,133 I think it's a wonderful form of intelligence. I really, really do. 103791

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