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>> [ SILENCE ]
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>> [ CHANTING ]
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>> I WAS EXPECTING LIGHTNING AND
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ANGELS AND TRUMPETS IN THE SKY,
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AND ALL I GOT WAS A BUNCH OF
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TREES AND GEESE FLYING IN THE
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AIR.
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[ CHUCKLES ]
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AND I THOUGHT, "HOW FUNNY IS
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THIS?"
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>> IT JUST TOOK ME TO, LIKE, A
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REALLY HEAVY PLACE.
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I STRUGGLED WITH THAT, AND I
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KNEW I HAD TO EITHER VOMIT OR
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CRY, AND SO, FINALLY, I ENDED UP
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BEING ABLE TO CRY AND REALLY LET
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IT GO.
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>> IT WAS A CLEARLY OVERWHELMING
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SENSE THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING
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MUCH BIGGER, AND THAT I WAS, YOU
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KNOW, A SMALL, LITTLE ANT
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[CHUCKLES] IN THIS MUCH BIGGER,
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DIVINE ORGANIZATION OF THE
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UNIVERSE, AND THAT I NEEDED TO
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PAY ATTENTION TO THAT.
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>> IT'S GOT ME IN TOUCH WITH MY
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SPIRIT, WHICH I HAD, LIKE, NO
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CONCEPT OF BEFORE.
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IT OPENED MY HEART IN A WAY THAT
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I NEVER HAD IT OPENED BEFORE,
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EVER.
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I COMMITTED TO HER THAT SHE
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WOULD BE A TEACHER OF MINE FOR
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MY LIFE.
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>> THE SOURCE OF THE EXPERIENCE
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OF WHICH THESE PEOPLE SPEAK IS
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NOT A FAITH -- A BELIEF IN
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THINGS UNSEEN.
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IT IS SIMPLY THIS -- AN HERBAL
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BREW MADE IN THE JUNGLES OF PERU
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BY NATIVE SHAMANS.
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THEY CALL IT AYAHUASCA, WHICH
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MEANS "VINE OF THE SOUL."
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>> IT'S A TEA, OR WHAT
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HERBALISTS WOULD CALL A
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DECOCTION, MEANING A STRONG TEA.
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IT'S ALWAYS MADE FROM TWO
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PLANTS, ONE OF WHICH CONTAINS
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THE HALLUCINOGEN
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DIMETHYLTRYPTAMINE, OR DMT.
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DMT IS WHAT I CALL A TRUE
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PSYCHEDELIC.
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IT'S ONE OF THE CLASS THAT
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INCLUDES LSD, PSILOCYBIN,
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MESCALINE.
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>> IN THE AMAZON, AYAHUASCA IS A
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LEGALLY RECOGNIZED, SACRED
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MEDICINE.
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INDIGENOUS PEOPLE HAVE USED IT
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FOR CENTURIES TO HEAL PHYSICAL
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AND PSYCHO-SPIRITUAL ILLS.
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[ CHILDREN LAUGHING ]
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IT'S AN ESSENTIAL PART OF THE
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CULTURE, WOVEN INTO THE FABRIC
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OF THEIR LIVES.
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BEYOND THE AMAZON, THE LEGALITY
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OF AYAHUASCA IS A GRAY AREA.
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>> THE GLOBALIZATION OF
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AYAHUASCA IS A CHALLENGE FOR
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MODERN DRUG-CONTROL AUTHORITIES.
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THE PEOPLE WHO ARE USING IT
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OUTSIDE OF ITS TRADITIONAL
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CONTEXT ARE NOT THE CRIMINAL
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ELEMENT THAT IS ASSOCIATED,
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TRADITIONALLY, WITH ILLEGAL DRUG
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USE.
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THESE ARE PEOPLE LIKE MY
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PARENTS, MY FRIENDS, DOCTORS,
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LAWYERS, PEOPLE IN THE HEALTH
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FIELD WHO ARE PASSING ALONG
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KNOWLEDGE WORD OF MOUTH, AND IT
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SEEMS TO BE SPREADING.
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>> [ Laughing ] NO.
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>> IN THE LAST 10 YEARS,
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THOUSANDS HAVE TRIED AYAHUASCA,
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SEEKING HEALING AND SPIRITUAL
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GROWTH.
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>> THE NOTION THAT THERE IS A
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SPIRITUAL COMPONENT TO HEALING
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HAS BEEN TOTALLY EXCISED FROM
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BIO MEDICINE.
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"SPIRITUALITY IN HEALING?
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WHAT DOES SPIRITUALITY HAVE TO
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DO WITH HEALING?"
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>> WE LIVE IN A CULTURE THAT'S,
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SPIRITUALLY, VERY DEPRIVED, VERY
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EMPTY.
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WE LIVE IN A CULTURE THAT'S VERY
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MATERIAL-BASED.
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IN OTHER WORDS, WE LIVE IN A
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CULTURE THAT DOES NOT GIVE HUMAN
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BEINGS WHAT THEY REALLY NEED.
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THAT LEAVES A HUGE HOLE IN
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PEOPLE.
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[ CAR HORN HONKING ]
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>> MOST PEOPLE IN NORTH AMERICA
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AND THE WESTERN WORLD ARE NOT AS
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CONNECTED AS PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN
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THE JUNGLE AND LIVE IN NATURE,
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YOU KNOW, EVERY DAY, 365 DAYS A
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YEAR.
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>> SHAMAN GUILLERMO ARĂ©VALO
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BELIEVES EVERYONE CAN RECLAIM
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THIS CONNECTION THROUGH
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AYAHUASCA, WHICH HE CALLS A
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PLANT TEACHER.
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HE SAYS THE VINE OF THE SOUL
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ACTUALLY TEACHES YOU WHAT YOU
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NEED TO KNOW.
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WHAT IS THERE TO SHARE ABOUT
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AYAHUASCA?
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CAN IT REALLY HEAL OUR MINDS AND
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SPIRITS?
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TWO PEOPLE ARE ABOUT TO JOURNEY
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TO THE AMAZON TO FIND OUT.
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ROB WORKS AS AN ACCOUNTANT FOR A
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MEDIA COMPANY.
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IT'S A GOOD JOB AND PAYS THE
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BILLS.
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>> IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU WALK
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AWAY FROM ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS
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FEELING SATISFIED, FOR THE MOST
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PART.
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>> HOW LONG'S THE FLIGHT?
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>> IT'S AROUND -- I THINK IT'S
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EIGHT HOURS INTO LIMA, AND THEN
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ANOTHER THREE HOURS TO IQUITOS.
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IF EVERYTHING GOES WELL, I'LL BE
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A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PERSON
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NEXT THURSDAY.
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>> WILL WE BE ABLE TO STILL
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RECOGNIZE YOU?
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>> OH, YEAH.
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>> I'LL JUST BE GLOWING.
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I WILL.
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GOING DOWN TO PERU AT THIS POINT
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IN MY LIFE MAKES A LOT OF SENSE
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TO ME, PARTIALLY BECAUSE I'M NOW
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ENTERING MIDDLE AGE, AND THERE'S
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A LOT OF RE-EVALUATING THAT I
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BELIEVE SHOULD GO ON.
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I MEAN, IF YOU'RE UNCERTAIN OF
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WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN, THEN YOU
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HAVE TO START QUESTIONING ALL
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THINGS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN
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YOUR LIFE, AND SEEING, MAYBE,
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ANOTHER PATH TO TAKE.
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>> KIRSTIE IS A DOCTOR OF
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NATUROPATHIC MEDICINE.
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>> YOU HAVE A REFERRED PAIN
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PATTERN UP ON YOUR LEFT SIDE.
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>> THERE'S A PINCHED NERVE IN MY
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NECK.
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>> HERE?
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>> YEAH.
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>> I'VE JUST STARTED AS A HEALER
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MYSELF, AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD
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TIME FOR ME IN MY LIFE TO GO
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DOWN AND EXPERIENCE THIS,
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BECAUSE IF IT'S IN ANY WAY,
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SHAPE, OR FORM GONNA BE A PART
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OF MY LIFE, WHETHER ACADEMICALLY
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OR IN TERMS OF I'M ABLE TO USE
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IT WITH PATIENTS, I WOULD NEVER
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DO THAT UNLESS I, MYSELF, HAVE
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BEEN THROUGH THE EXPERIENCE.
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>> ARE YOU READY TO GO, ROB?
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>> LET'S DO IT.
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IN A NUTSHELL, WHAT IS MISSING
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IN MY LIFE IS SPIRITUALITY.
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I CAN SAY THAT WITH ALMOST
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COMPLETE CERTAINTY.
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WE HAD VERY, VERY SLIGHT
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RELIGIOUS UPBRINGING THAT JUST
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SEEMED TO HAVE NO FOUNDATION OR
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NO BASIS FOR ME IN MY LIFE.
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IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND
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THAT THE BEST WAY TO LIVE IS TO
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BE RIGHT AND BE RIGHT WITH
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OTHERS, BUT I DON'T HAVE A
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GUIDING LIGHT, PER SE.
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>> WHILE ROB HAS NEVER BEEN TO
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THE AMAZON, THE RAIN FOREST HAS
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ALREADY SHAPED KIRSTIE'S LIFE.
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>> I DID A LOT OF TRAVELING,
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BOTH FOR WORK AND IN A VOLUNTEER
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CAPACITY, AND I ALSO WAS A GUIDE
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IN THE AMAZON AND WAS EXPOSED
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TO AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF PLANT
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MEDICINE.
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I'VE READ AN AWFUL LOT ABOUT
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AYAHUASCA, AND I'M JUST REALLY
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INTERESTED IN ITS IMPLICATIONS
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FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH SEVERE,
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CHRONIC DISEASE.
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FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IT
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REALLY CAN OPEN UP A LOT OF
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ENERGETIC BARRIERS THAT EVERYONE
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HAS, AND IF THOSE BARRIERS ARE
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OPENED UP, YOU CAN LIVE MORE
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OPTIMALLY.
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>> IN THE PAST, ROB HAS USED
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RECREATIONAL DRUGS TO SEARCH FOR
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GREATER MEANING IN HIS LIFE
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WITHOUT SUCCESS.
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>> I GUESS MY BIGGEST FEAR IS
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SIMPLY JUST GETTING HIGH AGAIN
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FOR TWO OR THREE DAYS AND REALLY
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NOT HAVING IT COME TO ANY
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FRUITION.
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IT CAN'T BE ANYTHING REMOTELY
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SIMILAR TO RECREATIONAL USE.
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THAT'S WHAT I'M SICK OF, AND I
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CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE TO GO TO
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PERU TO EXPERIENCE IT.
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>> ARE YOU ACTUALLY HOLDING THIS
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UP?
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DO YOU NEED ME?
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>> LET'S GET THIS RIGHT HERE.
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>> PERFECTO.
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CUIDADO.
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I DO FEEL SOME TREPIDATION
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AROUND WHAT I WILL EXPERIENCE
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AND WHAT I MIGHT DISCOVER ABOUT
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MY OWN ENERGETIC BLOCKAGES, BUT
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ABOUT AYAHUASCA, I'M NOT GOING
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THROUGH THIS LIFE AND NOT DOING
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[Chuckling] AYAHUASCA.
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THERE IS NO WAY.
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>> AFTER A LONG TRIP, ROB AND
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KIRSTIE FINALLY ARRIVE AT THE
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RUSTIC RETREAT ON THE EDGE OF
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THE JUNGLE.
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>> [ CHUCKLES ]
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>> GUILLERMO IS THERE TO GREET
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THEM, ALONG WITH AN
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INTERNATIONAL GROUP OF FELLOW
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TRAVELERS.
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DAVE, A HEALER FROM CANADA,
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BEGAN HIS APPRENTICESHIP WITH
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GUILLERMO FIVE YEARS AGO.
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>> AS SOON AS I STARTED, I
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THOUGHT, "THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT
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MY WHOLE LIFE WAS ABOUT."
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I KNEW THAT THIS WAS MY LIFE
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PATH, BUT I STILL HAD DOUBT
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WHETHER I COULD ACTUALLY
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ACCOMPLISH IT.
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MY FIRST EXPERIENCE WITH
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GUILLERMO WAS EXTREMELY,
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EXTREMELY PROFOUND -- VERY, VERY
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DEEP.
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I REMEMBER HIM SAYING TO ME THAT
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I WAS DAVID AND I WAS GONNA HAVE
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TO FACE GOLIATH, AND GOLIATH
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BEING THE FEAR INSIDE OF ME.
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>> GUILLERMO HAS BEEN A SHAMAN
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TO THE SHIPIBO PEOPLE MOST OF
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HIS LIFE, BUT ONLY RECENTLY
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OPENED A RETREAT FOR WESTERNERS.
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>> MOSTLY WHEN PEOPLE HAVE BAD
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LUCK IN LOVE.
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[ LAUGHTER ]
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>> NO TRANSLATION NEEDED.
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THIS IS AYAHUASCA.
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>> ALL ORGANISMS ON THE PLANET
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ARE PARASITES ON PLANTS, BECAUSE
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PLANTS ARE THE ONLY THING THAT
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MAKE THEIR OWN FOOD, AND THEY
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MAKE THEIR FOOD OUT OF SUNLIGHT,
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WATER, AND CARBON DIOXIDE.
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AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY ARE
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RUNNING THE SHOW.
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>> I'M EXTREMELY EXCITED ABOUT
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TONIGHT.
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WE'RE AT THE BIRTHPLACE WHERE
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THE PLANTS ARE FROM, AND JUST
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BEING UNDER AN ACCOMPLISHED
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MASTER LIKE GUILLERMO HAS TO BE
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JUST A ONCE-IN-A-LIFETIME
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EXPERIENCE.
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>> THROUGHOUT THE DAY, I THINK I
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WENT THROUGH A LOT OF DIFFERENT
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EMOTIONS AND THOUGHTS ABOUT IT.
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YOU KNOW, SOME OF WHICH WAS SORT
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OF ANXIETY -- "AM I A BIT TOO
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TIRED TO BE DOING THIS
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[Chuckling] AT THE MOMENT?"
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BUT I ACTUALLY FEEL, AS I HAVE
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SINCE I ARRIVED, REALLY PRETTY
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PEACEFUL, SO HOPEFULLY THAT
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BODES WELL FOR ME.
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>> AS DARKNESS FALLS, ALL WHO
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WISH TO PARTAKE IN THE AYAHUASCA
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CEREMONY JOIN GUILLERMO AND HIS
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ASSISTANT CURANDERO, FRANCOIS.
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>> WHEN I WAS ASKED FOR MY
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INTENTION, I FELT I DIDN'T
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REALLY HAVE ONE, OR MAYBE I
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HADN'T GIVEN IT ENOUGH THOUGHT,
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AND IT KIND OF CONCERNED ME A
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LITTLE BIT, THINKING THAT HERE I
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WAS IN THIS GREAT CENTER FOR
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HEALING, AND I DIDN'T COME DOWN
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WITH A SPECIFIC PROBLEM.
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>> MY INTENTION -- IT WAS A HARD
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DECISION BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT
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OF THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO
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WORK ON, BUT THE THING I ELECTED
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TO SORT OF WORK ON WAS IT'S
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DIFFICULT FOR ME TO SEE, AS YET,
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HOW I CAN INTEGRATE THIS ON A
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PROFESSIONAL LEVEL.
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I SPOKE TO GUILLERMO AND JUST
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SAID, "CAN YOU HELP ME TO
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UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE I FEEL,
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INTUITIVELY, THAT THERE'S A
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REASON THAT I'M HERE?"
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GRACIAS.
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>> [ CHANTING ]
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>> I WAS AWARE OF MANY THINGS
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HAPPENING ALL THE TIME BECAUSE
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ALL OF MY SENSES WERE SO
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HEIGHTENED.
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>> [ CHANTING CONTINUES ]
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>> YOU SIT THERE AND YOU WONDER
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WHETHER OR NOT IT'S TAKING
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EFFECT, AND AS SOON AS YOU ALLOW
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THE CHANTING IN, IT PRETTY MUCH
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TAKES YOU.
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>> [ CHANTING CONTINUES ]
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>> PURGING PREPARES THE MIND AND
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BODY FOR THE INNER JOURNEY
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AHEAD.
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THE CHANTING THEN CARRIES PEOPLE
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INTO A REALM BEYOND THE FIVE
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SENSES.
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>> [ CHANTING CONTINUES ]
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>> THE CHANTING WAS
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TRANSFORMATIONAL.
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I ACTUALLY DON'T EVEN HAVE THE
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WORDS TO DESCRIBE THAT.
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>> [ CHANTING CONTINUES ]
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>> I COULD FEEL PLANTS
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QUIVERING, AND I COULD FEEL
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EVERYTHING BREATHING AND I COULD
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FEEL THE EARTH GROANING AND I
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COULD HEAR EVERY SINGLE BIRD AND
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JUST THIS BLISSED-OUT, INSANELY
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POWERFUL CONNECTION WITH THE
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EARTH AND WITH PLANTS AND WITH
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ANIMALS.
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I FELT A LOT OF JOY.
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>> [ CHANTING CONTINUES ]
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>> THE FEELING IS JUST SUBLIME.
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I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN IT.
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ALMOST EVERY LITTLE THING YOU DO
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WITH YOUR BODY -- A SIMPLE HEAD
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STRETCH, A DEEP BREATH, JUST
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FEELS SO LIFE-AFFIRMING, BECAUSE
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YOU SEEM TO BE IN COMPLETE
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HARMONY WITH EVERYTHING AROUND
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YOU.
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YOU JUST KNOW THAT YOU'RE
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CONNECTED TO SOMETHING LARGER.
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>> [ CHANTING CONTINUES ]
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>> MOST RELIGIONS MAKE A GREAT
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DEAL ABOUT HOW YOU MUST HAVE
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FAITH.
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YOU MUST BELIEVE IN GOD, YOU
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MUST BELIEVE IN WHAT WE TELL
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YOU, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO
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EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT, NO
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EVIDENCE FOR WHAT WE'RE TELLING
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YOU, BUT YOU MUST HAVE FAITH.
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WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT
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AYAHUASCA IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO
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HAVE FAITH.
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IT'S THE PERFECT TOOL FOR
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SKEPTICS.
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DON'T BELIEVE ME.
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DON'T BELIEVE WHAT ANYBODY TELLS
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YOU.
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TAKE IT.
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HAVE THE EXPERIENCE.
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EVALUATE IT FOR YOURSELF.
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MAKE OF IT WHAT YOU WILL.
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>> LAST NIGHT, BECAUSE WE'VE
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BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO IT FOR
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QUITE A FEW WEEKS NOW, I HAD A
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LOT OF EXPECTATIONS BUILT UP,
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AND THE CEREMONY ITSELF WAS VERY
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IMPRESSIVE, BUT I THINK I DIDN'T
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HAVE A STRONG REACTION TO THE
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AYAHUASCA ITSELF.
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IT WOULD BE NICE IF IT WAS A
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LITTLE STRONGER, AND I DON'T
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MEAN TO BE COCKY IN SAYING THAT,
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BECAUSE IT'S NOT FOR AMUSEMENT
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OR ENTERTAINMENT.
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BUT I'M READY TO KIND OF GO A
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LITTLE DEEPER INTO MYSELF TO SEE
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WHAT ELSE COMES OUT.
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>> I THINK THE BIG DIFFERENCE
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BETWEEN THE USE OF AYAHUASCA
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TODAY AND THE USE OF OTHER
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SUBSTANCES IN THE 1960s IS A
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VERY STRONG UNDERSTANDING OF THE
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IMPORTANCE OF RITUAL AND THE
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CEREMONIAL ELEMENT IN FOSTERING
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A THERAPEUTIC OR SPIRITUAL
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EXPERIENCE.
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IT'S NOT A PARTY DRUG IN THE WAY
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THAT OTHER SUBSTANCES HAVE BEEN
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USED.
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THE WISDOM OF LEARNING THROUGH
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PLANTS IS A CULTURAL TRADITION
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THAT GOES BACK HUNDREDS, IF NOT
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THOUSANDS, OF YEARS.
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>> FOR ME, MY EXPERIENCE OF
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BOTANICAL MEDICINE IS VERY
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TECHNICAL AND MEDICAL AND
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SCIENTIFIC, AND WE DO LEARN
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ABOUT THE ENERGETICS OF PLANTS,
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BUT IT'S MUCH MORE DOMINATED BY
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THE SCIENCE, AND SO I'VE ALWAYS
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REACHED OUT TO HAVE
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OPPORTUNITIES TO INTEGRATE BOTH,
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AND SO THAT'S MY GOAL.
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>> YOU SEE THE HEALING ASPECT OF
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THIS MEDICINE?
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WHAT CAN YOU RELATE ABOUT IT?
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>> IN TERMS OF AYAHUASCA, I NEED
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TO DO IT MANY MORE TIMES --
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MANY, MANY MORE TIMES TO BE ABLE
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TO SPEAK TO THAT, BECAUSE I
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CAN'T INTEGRATE THAT OR APPLY
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THAT WITH OTHER PEOPLE UNTIL
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I'VE INTEGRATED IT WITH ME.
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I JUST CAN'T.
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>> AT A CEREMONY 15 YEARS AGO,
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FRANCOIS USED AYAHUASCA TO HELP
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KICK AN ADDICTION TO HEROIN.
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>> [ CHANTING ]
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>> ADDICTION COMES FROM A SENSE
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OF DEFICIENT EMPTINESS, AND
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TRYING TO COMPLETE YOURSELF FROM
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THE OUTSIDE IS THE ESSENCE OF
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ADDICTION.
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WITH AYAHUASCA, ONE HAS AN
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OPPORTUNITY TO EXPERIENCE
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ONESELF AS WHOLE AND COMPLETE.
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IF YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET THAT
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YOU'RE WHOLE AND COMPLETE, WHAT
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IS THERE TO BE FILLED FROM THE
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OUTSIDE ANYMORE?
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THERE'S JUST NO NEED FOR IT.
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AYAHUASCA CAN HELP PEOPLE SEE
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THAT IN TWO OR THREE CEREMONIES,
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IF IT'S THE APPROPRIATE SHAMANIC
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LEADER AND IF IT'S THE RIGHT
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ENVIRONMENT.
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WELL, THAT IS A POTENTIAL TO
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HEAL ADDICTIONS.
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>> AYAHUASCA IS USED FOR MANY
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REASONS.
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FOR A CURANDERO LIKE DAVE,
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AYAHUASCA IS A TEACHER OF THE
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HEALING POWERS OF PLANTS.
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>> MY HOME.
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JUST TAKE OFF YOUR SHOES BEFORE
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YOU COME INTO MY HOME, PLEASE.
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JUST JOKING.
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[ CHUCKLES ]
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AYAHUASCA'S, IN MANY WAYS, LIKE
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THE KEY TO THE DOOR THAT ALLOWS
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YOU INTO THE PLANT-TEACHER
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WORLD.
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AYAHUASCA ALLOWS YOU TO ACCESS
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THE OTHER PLANT TEACHERS IN A
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MORE PROFOUND WAY.
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A PLANT TEACHER IS -- I MEAN,
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THE BEST WAY TO LOOK AT IT IS
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YOU LOOK AT A PLANT AS A BEING,
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AS YOU WOULD A FRIEND.
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EACH PLANT HAS A PERSONALITY, AS
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EACH HUMAN DOES.
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YOU TAKE ON THE TRAITS OF A
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PLANT, YOU KNOW, AND PLANTS ARE
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VERY SENSITIVE AND VERY
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INTUITIVE, AND, YOU KNOW, IN
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00:22:04,956 --> 00:22:10,762
HEALING, YOU NEED TO BE VERY
503
00:22:05,957 --> 00:22:12,530
SENSITIVE AND VERY INTUITIVE.
504
00:22:08,927 --> 00:22:16,401
SO, WE TAKE THESE PLANTS, YEAH,
505
00:22:10,829 --> 00:22:18,036
TO LEARN FROM THEM AND, IN A
506
00:22:12,597 --> 00:22:19,704
WAY, TO BECOME THEM.
507
00:22:16,468 --> 00:22:21,639
I CAME HERE WITH THE INTENTION
508
00:22:18,103 --> 00:22:24,776
OF, YOU KNOW, GAINING MORE
509
00:22:19,771 --> 00:22:26,111
STRENGTH IN MY WORK, SO I'M ON A
510
00:22:21,706 --> 00:22:27,645
DIET NOW WITH A BUNCH OF
511
00:22:24,843 --> 00:22:28,713
DIFFERENT PLANTS AND TREES TO
512
00:22:26,178 --> 00:22:30,615
GIVE ME MORE STRENGTH AND MORE
513
00:22:27,712 --> 00:22:32,384
PROTECTION.
514
00:22:28,780 --> 00:22:33,885
YOU SMELL SO BEAUTIFUL.
515
00:22:30,682 --> 00:22:35,954
IT'S A MIX OF 25, 30 DIFFERENT
516
00:22:32,451 --> 00:22:37,355
PLANTS, AND I DRINK IT EVERY
517
00:22:33,952 --> 00:22:39,624
DAY.
518
00:22:36,021 --> 00:22:40,825
YOU KNOW, IT REALLY BREAKS DOWN
519
00:22:37,422 --> 00:22:42,394
THE BODY AT THE BEGINNING TO
520
00:22:39,691 --> 00:22:43,728
OPEN UP.
521
00:22:40,892 --> 00:22:45,130
FEEL A LITTLE BIT -- YOUR BODY
522
00:22:42,461 --> 00:22:47,499
FEELS A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW,
523
00:22:43,795 --> 00:22:52,971
OUT OF BALANCE AND A LITTLE BIT
524
00:22:45,197 --> 00:22:56,708
WEAK, BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT
525
00:22:47,566 --> 00:22:58,443
THING IS I FEEL GOOD IN MY MIND.
526
00:22:53,038 --> 00:23:00,078
>> [ CHANTING ]
527
00:22:56,775 --> 00:23:01,112
>> AFTER A DAY OF REFLECTION,
528
00:22:58,510 --> 00:23:05,550
ROB AND KIRSTIE RETURN FOR THEIR
529
00:23:00,145 --> 00:23:07,619
SECOND CEREMONY.
530
00:23:01,179 --> 00:23:09,587
>> [ CHANTING CONTINUES ]
531
00:23:05,617 --> 00:23:11,556
>> AGAIN, IT WAS JUST WANTING TO
532
00:23:07,686 --> 00:23:13,558
EXPERIENCE SO MUCH SO QUICKLY,
533
00:23:09,654 --> 00:23:15,760
IT WAS PROBABLY OVERESTIMATING
534
00:23:11,623 --> 00:23:17,095
MY LEVEL, WHAT AYAHUASCA WANTED
535
00:23:13,625 --> 00:23:18,496
TO SHOW ME AT THAT TIME.
536
00:23:15,827 --> 00:23:19,898
IN A WAY, I KIND OF WANTED TO
537
00:23:17,162 --> 00:23:20,865
TAKE MORE, BUT IN A WAY, I
538
00:23:18,563 --> 00:23:23,034
DIDN'T, AND YOU HAVE TO RESPECT
539
00:23:19,965 --> 00:23:25,503
AYAHUASCA.
540
00:23:20,932 --> 00:23:27,138
SHE WAS TELLING ME SOMETHING.
541
00:23:23,101 --> 00:23:28,173
>> [ CHANTING ]
542
00:23:25,570 --> 00:23:31,810
>> IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM
543
00:23:27,205 --> 00:23:33,411
THE NIGHT PRIOR.
544
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:34,846
I WAS RESTLESS AND SORT OF
545
00:23:31,877 --> 00:23:35,847
AGITATED.
546
00:23:33,478 --> 00:23:37,682
A PART OF AYAHUASCA IS THE
547
00:23:34,913 --> 00:23:39,017
PURGING ASPECT.
548
00:23:35,914 --> 00:23:41,453
I, YOU KNOW, SORT OF HAD ALWAYS
549
00:23:37,749 --> 00:23:43,721
JUST THOUGHT THAT MEANT
550
00:23:39,084 --> 00:23:45,590
VOMITING, BUT IT JUST CAN BE A
551
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:49,093
LOT OF DIFFERENT BODILY THINGS
552
00:23:43,788 --> 00:23:51,496
GOING ON AND NOISES AND
553
00:23:45,657 --> 00:23:52,797
BELCHING, AND, LIKE, IT WAS
554
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:53,998
UNBELIEVABLE.
555
00:23:51,563 --> 00:23:55,467
I GOT CAGEY, KIND OF, AND I
556
00:23:52,864 --> 00:23:57,869
TRIED TO LEAVE THE ROOM
557
00:23:54,065 --> 00:23:59,103
ENTIRELY, ACTUALLY, AT ONE
558
00:23:55,534 --> 00:24:00,472
POINT, BUT I SORT OF GOT STUCK
559
00:23:57,936 --> 00:24:02,106
STANDING THERE.
560
00:23:59,170 --> 00:24:04,742
IT WAS JUST -- IT WAS
561
00:24:00,539 --> 00:24:05,744
FRUSTRATING, KIND OF.
562
00:24:02,173 --> 00:24:05,744
WHEN I DID GO OUTSIDE, I FOUND
563
00:24:04,809 --> 00:24:05,744
ROB.
564
00:24:34,105 --> 00:24:40,245
OH, MY GOD.
565
00:24:35,974 --> 00:24:42,080
WE SAW THE SKY, AND IT WAS JUST
566
00:24:39,611 --> 00:24:44,015
STAGGERING.
567
00:24:40,312 --> 00:24:47,252
IT WAS JUST ASTONISHING HOW
568
00:24:42,147 --> 00:24:51,723
BEAUTIFUL IT WAS, AND I SAW A
569
00:24:44,082 --> 00:24:53,791
HUGE SHOOTING STAR, WHICH BLEW
570
00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:55,927
MY MIND.
571
00:24:51,790 --> 00:24:58,930
>> AND THEN WE LEFT, AND WHEN I
572
00:24:53,858 --> 00:25:00,632
CAME BACK TO MY CABIN, I KIND OF
573
00:24:55,994 --> 00:25:02,033
LAID DOWN AND I CLOSED MY EYES.
574
00:24:58,997 --> 00:25:03,768
AND, LIKE, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN
575
00:25:00,699 --> 00:25:05,503
YOU CLOSE YOUR EYES, YOU SEE
576
00:25:02,100 --> 00:25:06,971
SOME LIGHT IMAGERY, AND THEN IT
577
00:25:03,835 --> 00:25:08,706
BEGAN TO SWIRL TOGETHER, AND IT
578
00:25:05,570 --> 00:25:10,008
CREATED THIS LITTLE EDDY RIGHT
579
00:25:07,038 --> 00:25:11,643
IN FRONT OF MY FIELD OF VISION,
580
00:25:08,773 --> 00:25:14,178
AND THEN, BIT BY BIT, LITTLE
581
00:25:10,075 --> 00:25:17,015
IMAGES WOULD APPEAR OUT OF THIS
582
00:25:11,710 --> 00:25:18,683
EDDY, COME OUT, AND GO BACK IN,
583
00:25:14,245 --> 00:25:20,118
COME OUT, AND GO BACK IN.
584
00:25:17,082 --> 00:25:23,187
WHEN I WAS READY TO WRITE OFF
585
00:25:18,750 --> 00:25:25,189
THE EVENING AS SOMEWHAT OF A
586
00:25:20,185 --> 00:25:27,125
REJECTION OR A NEGATIVE, SHE
587
00:25:23,254 --> 00:25:27,125
PULLED ME RIGHT BACK AND THEN
588
00:25:25,256 --> 00:25:27,125
PUT ME ASLEEP.
589
00:25:33,632 --> 00:25:37,869
>> IT'S REALLY A THERAPY.
590
00:25:34,866 --> 00:25:40,004
YOU HAVE ONE CEREMONY, IT'S LIKE
591
00:25:36,334 --> 00:25:41,573
GOING TO PSYCHOTHERAPY FOR TWO
592
00:25:37,936 --> 00:25:43,074
YEARS.
593
00:25:40,071 --> 00:25:44,709
>> COLIN, FROM VANCOUVER,
594
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:46,844
ATTENDED AYAHUASCA CEREMONIES
595
00:25:43,141 --> 00:25:48,146
FOR A YEAR BEFORE COMING TO
596
00:25:44,776 --> 00:25:50,114
PERU.
597
00:25:46,911 --> 00:25:51,783
HE'S HOPING TO HEAL A TROUBLED
598
00:25:48,213 --> 00:25:53,217
MARRIAGE.
599
00:25:50,181 --> 00:25:54,886
>> FOR ME, I JUST WANT TO BE THE
600
00:25:51,850 --> 00:25:56,220
FATHER THAT I KNOW I CAN BE AND
601
00:25:53,284 --> 00:25:58,022
THE HUSBAND I CAN BE AND SUPPORT
602
00:25:54,953 --> 00:25:59,324
MY WIFE, AS THE FAMILY COMES
603
00:25:56,287 --> 00:26:00,692
FIRST, RIGHT?
604
00:25:58,089 --> 00:26:01,726
>> WE HAD BEEN ON AND OFF AND
605
00:25:59,391 --> 00:26:03,061
ARE CONTINUING IN KIND OF A
606
00:26:00,759 --> 00:26:04,262
POWER-STRUGGLE STAGE.
607
00:26:01,793 --> 00:26:05,863
WE HAVE DONE COUPLES' THERAPY
608
00:26:03,128 --> 00:26:07,265
COUNSELING, BUT IT DOESN'T
609
00:26:04,329 --> 00:26:08,933
QUITE -- I MEAN, IT WORKS FOR A
610
00:26:05,930 --> 00:26:10,935
LITTLE BIT, BUT THERE'S A DEEPER
611
00:26:07,332 --> 00:26:12,937
ISSUE.
612
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:14,973
>> WHEN I CAME HERE, I KNEW I
613
00:26:11,002 --> 00:26:16,274
WANTED TO GO A LITTLE DEEPER.
614
00:26:13,004 --> 00:26:18,176
FOR ME, THE ONE WORD THAT CAME
615
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:20,278
UP WAS "ACCEPTANCE" --
616
00:26:16,341 --> 00:26:22,680
ACCEPTANCE OF MYSELF, ACCEPTANCE
617
00:26:18,243 --> 00:26:24,082
OF MY PAST, AND ACCEPTANCE OF MY
618
00:26:20,345 --> 00:26:25,883
WIFE, WHO IS PROBABLY THE
619
00:26:22,747 --> 00:26:28,252
NUMBER-ONE THING.
620
00:26:24,149 --> 00:26:29,954
TO HER, THAT WAS THE BIG
621
00:26:25,950 --> 00:26:31,723
BLOCKAGE IN OUR RELATIONSHIP.
622
00:26:28,319 --> 00:26:33,191
>> THERE IS SOMETHING THAT'S
623
00:26:30,021 --> 00:26:34,859
OBVIOUSLY KEEPING US TOGETHER,
624
00:26:31,790 --> 00:26:37,662
BUT THERE IS SOME KIND OF --
625
00:26:33,258 --> 00:26:39,130
SOMETHING WE KEEP COMING UP
626
00:26:34,926 --> 00:26:40,632
AGAINST.
627
00:26:37,729 --> 00:26:42,066
>> I REALIZE THAT I'VE HAD THIS
628
00:26:39,197 --> 00:26:43,735
SENSE OF SADNESS WITHIN ME
629
00:26:40,699 --> 00:26:45,036
AFFECTING MULTIPLE THINGS FROM
630
00:26:42,133 --> 00:26:46,704
PAST RELATIONSHIPS, PEOPLE THAT
631
00:26:43,802 --> 00:26:48,206
HAVE PASSED IN MY LIFE, TO
632
00:26:45,103 --> 00:26:49,841
SADNESS AROUND THINGS AROUND MY
633
00:26:46,771 --> 00:26:54,946
CHILDHOOD AND BEING UNHAPPY WITH
634
00:26:48,273 --> 00:26:56,214
MY SORT OF PLACE IN THE WORLD,
635
00:26:49,908 --> 00:26:57,382
SO I'M SAD ABOUT IT AT TIMES.
636
00:26:55,013 --> 00:26:59,217
>> AFTER EACH CEREMONY,
637
00:26:56,281 --> 00:27:01,119
GUILLERMO ENCOURAGES
638
00:26:57,449 --> 00:27:03,054
PARTICIPANTS TO TALK ABOUT THEIR
639
00:26:59,284 --> 00:27:04,989
EXPERIENCES.
640
00:27:01,186 --> 00:27:06,824
>> I FEEL MYSELF ATTACHED WITH A
641
00:27:03,121 --> 00:27:09,894
BIT OF A DARK SPIRIT, WHICH CAME
642
00:27:05,056 --> 00:27:10,762
TO ME LAST NIGHT, AND IT'S ALL
643
00:27:06,891 --> 00:27:12,363
LINKED TO AN EX-GIRLFRIEND WHO
644
00:27:09,961 --> 00:27:14,032
HAS DIED.
645
00:27:10,829 --> 00:27:14,632
SHE'S SINCE DIED, BUT SHE
646
00:27:12,430 --> 00:27:16,034
STILL -- THERE WAS LOTS OF LOVE
647
00:27:14,099 --> 00:27:17,402
THERE.
648
00:27:14,699 --> 00:27:18,736
THERE WAS A LOT OF LIGHTNESS,
649
00:27:16,101 --> 00:27:20,071
BUT HER DARK SIDE IS SORT OF
650
00:27:17,469 --> 00:27:21,973
STILL HANGING ON TO ME.
651
00:27:18,803 --> 00:27:23,074
SHE WAS A VERY MANIPULATIVE
652
00:27:20,138 --> 00:27:23,074
WOMAN, AND THE FIRST WOMAN IN MY
653
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,074
LIFE.
654
00:27:52,103 --> 00:27:56,207
IT'S VERY CLEAR.
655
00:27:54,038 --> 00:27:56,207
GRACIAS.
656
00:27:55,273 --> 00:27:56,207
>> DAVID.
657
00:27:56,741 --> 00:28:03,314
>> I WOKE UP THIS MORNING, YOU
658
00:27:57,976 --> 00:28:04,882
KNOW, VERY EARLY AND STILL VERY
659
00:28:00,745 --> 00:28:06,284
HIGH WITH THE AYAHUASCA AND HAD
660
00:28:03,381 --> 00:28:09,387
SOME NIGHTMARES, A LOT OF
661
00:28:04,949 --> 00:28:10,922
SWEATING DURING THE NIGHT,
662
00:28:06,351 --> 00:28:10,922
ALMOST LIKE MY BODY'S TRYING TO
663
00:28:09,454 --> 00:28:10,922
MOVE IT THROUGH.
664
00:28:59,270 --> 00:29:06,110
>> PROFESSIONALLY, IN TERMS OF
665
00:29:01,239 --> 00:29:09,147
WORK OF A NATUROPATHIC DOCTOR, I
666
00:29:03,308 --> 00:29:11,015
SORT OF FEEL CONFUSED.
667
00:29:06,177 --> 00:29:12,450
TO EMPLOY THIS MEDICINE, EVEN IN
668
00:29:09,214 --> 00:29:19,957
A LIMITED CAPACITY, PROBABLY
669
00:29:11,082 --> 00:29:24,095
TAKES A LOT OF PERSONAL
670
00:29:12,517 --> 00:29:25,897
JOURNEYING, PERIOD, FOR ME.
671
00:29:20,024 --> 00:29:29,500
WHOO-HOO!
672
00:29:24,162 --> 00:29:32,136
I NEED TO TALK IT THROUGH WITH
673
00:29:25,964 --> 00:29:33,337
DAVE -- HOW HE OPERATES, BECAUSE
674
00:29:29,567 --> 00:29:35,139
THE CEREMONY IS CRUCIAL AND THE
675
00:29:32,203 --> 00:29:36,140
TRAINING IS CRUCIAL.
676
00:29:33,404 --> 00:29:38,343
>> AYAHUASCA.
677
00:29:35,206 --> 00:29:38,343
IN POWDER.
678
00:29:36,207 --> 00:29:38,343
[ SPEAKS SPANISH ]
679
00:29:45,316 --> 00:29:49,487
IT'S IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO
680
00:29:46,618 --> 00:29:51,022
KNOW THAT THE AYAHUASCA ACTS AS
681
00:29:48,186 --> 00:29:52,423
A TEACHER AND IT ALLOWS YOU TO
682
00:29:49,554 --> 00:29:54,225
DISCOVER YOURSELF THROUGH YOUR
683
00:29:51,089 --> 00:29:55,459
OWN KNOWLEDGE, THROUGH YOUR OWN
684
00:29:52,490 --> 00:29:56,294
EXPERIENCE.
685
00:29:54,292 --> 00:29:57,495
THESE ARE ALL THE PLANTS WE USE
686
00:29:55,526 --> 00:29:58,129
FOR BATHING HERE.
687
00:29:56,361 --> 00:29:58,830
A LOT OF THEM ATTRACT LOVE AND
688
00:29:57,562 --> 00:30:00,331
GOOD LUCK.
689
00:29:58,196 --> 00:30:02,066
>> OH, YEAH.
690
00:29:58,897 --> 00:30:03,234
>> AND ALL THESE MEDICINES UP
691
00:30:00,398 --> 00:30:04,302
HERE ARE ALL FOR MEN TO GET A
692
00:30:02,133 --> 00:30:05,403
LITTLE EXTRA ENERGY.
693
00:30:03,301 --> 00:30:07,371
>> OH.
694
00:30:04,369 --> 00:30:08,072
>> YEAH.
695
00:30:05,470 --> 00:30:10,074
MEANS SEVEN TIMES.
696
00:30:07,438 --> 00:30:11,142
>> SEVEN TIMES.
697
00:30:08,139 --> 00:30:13,211
>> SEVEN TIMES PER NIGHT.
698
00:30:10,141 --> 00:30:15,479
[ CHUCKLES ]
699
00:30:11,209 --> 00:30:16,514
>> THE OTHER THING THAT DAVE
700
00:30:13,278 --> 00:30:17,882
SAYS WAS THAT AYAHUASCA IS GONNA
701
00:30:15,546 --> 00:30:20,117
MEET YOU WHERE YOU'RE AT IN
702
00:30:16,581 --> 00:30:23,154
TERMS OF WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN
703
00:30:17,949 --> 00:30:25,122
AND THE POTENTIAL TO GO VERY
704
00:30:20,184 --> 00:30:27,091
DEEP INTO YOUR OWN FEARS AND
705
00:30:23,221 --> 00:30:28,092
CHALLENGES AND PERSONAL GROWTH.
706
00:30:25,189 --> 00:30:30,328
I THINK NEXT TIME, I'M READY TO
707
00:30:27,158 --> 00:30:32,897
GO.
708
00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:35,299
EVEN IF IT'S CHALLENGING, I'M
709
00:30:30,395 --> 00:30:39,303
READY TO SORT OF HAVE A BIT MORE
710
00:30:32,964 --> 00:30:41,038
AND GO DEEPER AND JUST FACE WHAT
711
00:30:35,366 --> 00:30:42,440
I FIND.
712
00:30:39,370 --> 00:30:45,142
>> WHAT KIRSTIE AND ROB WILL
713
00:30:41,105 --> 00:30:47,345
FACE ON THIS, THEIR THIRD
714
00:30:42,507 --> 00:30:49,213
CEREMONY, IS UNKNOWN AND
715
00:30:45,209 --> 00:30:51,182
UNKNOWABLE.
716
00:30:47,412 --> 00:30:53,317
>> THE MYSTERIUM TREMENDUM IS,
717
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:58,222
AS YOU CAN TELL FROM THE TERM, A
718
00:30:51,249 --> 00:30:59,523
TREMENDOUS MYSTERY.
719
00:30:53,384 --> 00:31:01,292
IT IS AT THE CORE OF ALL TRUE
720
00:30:58,289 --> 00:31:04,395
RELIGIOUS OR MYSTICAL
721
00:30:59,590 --> 00:31:07,231
EXPERIENCE -- THE FEELING OF
722
00:31:01,359 --> 00:31:09,867
BEING AT ONE WITH THE UNIVERSE.
723
00:31:04,462 --> 00:31:11,235
AND YET IT'S THE EXPERIENCE THAT
724
00:31:07,298 --> 00:31:12,603
MOST RELIGIONS ARE FRANTIC TO
725
00:31:09,934 --> 00:31:13,304
DENY.
726
00:31:11,302 --> 00:31:15,039
IT'S NOT FOR THE ORDINARY
727
00:31:12,670 --> 00:31:16,440
PERSON.
728
00:31:13,371 --> 00:31:18,276
IT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THE
729
00:31:15,106 --> 00:31:19,577
INTERPRETATION HAS TO COME
730
00:31:16,507 --> 00:31:21,212
THROUGH THE CHURCH, THROUGH THE
731
00:31:18,343 --> 00:31:24,015
PRIESTHOOD, THROUGH THE
732
00:31:19,644 --> 00:31:25,483
HIERARCHY OR WHATEVER, "AND
733
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:26,984
WE'LL TELL YOU WHAT THIS MEANS."
734
00:31:24,082 --> 00:31:27,885
AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE
735
00:31:25,550 --> 00:31:32,056
INTERESTING THINGS ABOUT
736
00:31:27,051 --> 00:31:33,958
AYAHUASCA.
737
00:31:27,952 --> 00:31:34,993
IT GIVES YOU A TOOL TO ACTUALLY
738
00:31:32,123 --> 00:31:34,993
APPROACH THIS PHENOMENON
739
00:31:34,025 --> 00:31:34,993
EXPERIMENTALLY.
740
00:31:35,326 --> 00:31:41,098
AND SOME PEOPLE WAIT ALL THEIR
741
00:31:37,428 --> 00:31:43,267
LIVES AND SPEND YEARS IN
742
00:31:39,197 --> 00:31:46,104
MEDITATION AND ALL SORTS OF
743
00:31:41,165 --> 00:31:46,104
AESTHETIC EXPERIENCES AND NEVER
744
00:31:43,334 --> 00:31:46,104
HAVE A MYSTICAL EXPERIENCE.
745
00:31:46,437 --> 00:31:53,511
YOU CAN BE JUST A KIND OF AN
746
00:31:48,673 --> 00:31:56,948
ORDINARY SCHMUCK, AND UNDER THE
747
00:31:51,275 --> 00:32:03,020
RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES,
748
00:31:53,578 --> 00:32:05,222
PSYCHEDELICS CAN TRIGGER THIS
749
00:31:57,015 --> 00:32:07,391
KIND OF EXPERIENCE.
750
00:32:03,087 --> 00:32:09,527
>> JUST EXPERIENCING EVERYTHING
751
00:32:05,289 --> 00:32:11,929
POSSIBLE THAT'S IN LIFE AT ANY
752
00:32:07,458 --> 00:32:13,431
GIVEN MOMENT, AND YOU'RE JUST
753
00:32:09,594 --> 00:32:15,433
TAKING IT ALL IN WITHOUT TRYING
754
00:32:11,996 --> 00:32:18,035
TO STATE HOW YOU FEEL.
755
00:32:13,498 --> 00:32:20,604
JUST LET IT BE AND LISTEN TO
756
00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:23,274
EVERYTHING COME IN.
757
00:32:18,102 --> 00:32:24,475
AND IT JUST, YOU KNOW, AWES YOUR
758
00:32:20,671 --> 00:32:26,177
INNER SILENCE.
759
00:32:23,341 --> 00:32:28,112
LAST NIGHT WAS JUST THE
760
00:32:24,542 --> 00:32:30,147
CULMINATION OF FINALLY BEING AT
761
00:32:26,244 --> 00:32:32,583
HOME DOWN HERE.
762
00:32:28,179 --> 00:32:34,385
GOOD MEDICINE AND JUST LISTENING
763
00:32:30,214 --> 00:32:35,586
TO GUILLERMO AND EVERYONE CHANT.
764
00:32:32,650 --> 00:32:39,323
IT WAS EVERYTHING THAT IT COULD
765
00:32:34,452 --> 00:32:40,958
POSSIBLY BE, I THINK.
766
00:32:35,653 --> 00:32:43,394
IT WAS JUST PERFECT.
767
00:32:39,390 --> 00:32:46,630
MY STRONGEST VISIONS AT THE VERY
768
00:32:41,025 --> 00:32:48,299
BEGINNING WERE LIKE A
769
00:32:43,461 --> 00:32:49,633
MULTI-LEVEL DIMENSION, AND
770
00:32:46,697 --> 00:32:51,168
THERE'S, LIKE, A DOOR BEING
771
00:32:48,366 --> 00:32:52,670
OPENED TO THIS, BUT IT'S
772
00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:54,438
CONSTANTLY BEING OPENED.
773
00:32:51,235 --> 00:32:56,107
IT'S CONSTANTLY BEING OPENED.
774
00:32:52,737 --> 00:33:00,011
AND IT NEVER GOES AWAY, 'CAUSE
775
00:32:54,505 --> 00:33:01,579
IT'S NEW AGAIN, AND SO IT'S
776
00:32:56,174 --> 00:33:03,280
NATURE JUST SHOWING YOU.
777
00:33:00,078 --> 00:33:05,049
AT TIMES, I FEEL LIKE SHE COULD
778
00:33:01,646 --> 00:33:09,487
ACTUALLY CONTROL MY HEAD AND
779
00:33:03,347 --> 00:33:12,356
TILT IT DIFFERENT WAYS AND LOOK
780
00:33:05,116 --> 00:33:13,457
AROUND, AND SO I WOULD LOOK...
781
00:33:09,554 --> 00:33:15,292
AT GUILLERMO, AND IT'S JUST...
782
00:33:12,423 --> 00:33:17,128
[ SIGHS ]
783
00:33:13,524 --> 00:33:18,295
I DON'T KNOW HOW.
784
00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:19,497
[ CHUCKLES ]
785
00:33:17,195 --> 00:33:20,464
BUT IT WAS SO NICE, AND IT WAS
786
00:33:18,362 --> 00:33:22,099
MATERNAL, EVEN WHEN LOOKING AT
787
00:33:19,564 --> 00:33:23,501
GUILLERMO.
788
00:33:20,531 --> 00:33:25,169
SUDDENLY, I WASN'T A YOUNGER
789
00:33:22,166 --> 00:33:26,570
PERSON THAN GUILLERMO, I WAS
790
00:33:23,568 --> 00:33:27,671
OLDER, LOOKING AT HIM LIKE HE
791
00:33:25,236 --> 00:33:29,240
WAS A CHILD, AND YOU ARE SO
792
00:33:26,637 --> 00:33:30,574
PROUD OF THIS CHILD.
793
00:33:27,738 --> 00:33:31,709
"LOOK AT WHAT HE'S DOING."
794
00:33:29,307 --> 00:33:33,110
SHE WAS SAYING THAT AS SHE
795
00:33:30,641 --> 00:33:34,478
LOOKED AT GUILLERMO.
796
00:33:31,776 --> 00:33:36,747
"LOOK AT ALL HE CAN DO."
797
00:33:33,177 --> 00:33:39,383
AND THERE WAS JUST A SENSE OF
798
00:33:34,545 --> 00:33:40,284
AWE AND RENEWED INNOCENCE ALL
799
00:33:36,814 --> 00:33:41,485
THE TIME, BUT THAT'S PARTLY FROM
800
00:33:39,450 --> 00:33:49,260
HER END.
801
00:33:40,351 --> 00:33:51,062
IT'S THE MOST SPIRITUAL THING
802
00:33:41,552 --> 00:33:53,064
I'VE EVER FELT IN MY WHOLE LIFE.
803
00:33:49,327 --> 00:33:57,301
WELL, I COULD TELL KIRSTIE
804
00:33:51,129 --> 00:34:00,771
WASN'T QUITE HAVING AS GREAT A
805
00:33:53,131 --> 00:34:03,140
TIME AS I WAS.
806
00:33:57,368 --> 00:34:08,279
>> [ SIGHS ]
807
00:34:00,838 --> 00:34:11,449
THE CEREMONY LAST NIGHT
808
00:34:03,207 --> 00:34:13,717
WAS...EXCEPTIONALLY HARD,
809
00:34:08,346 --> 00:34:17,721
LIKE...
810
00:34:11,516 --> 00:34:19,290
I JUST COULDN'T GET A NICE,
811
00:34:13,784 --> 00:34:24,328
PEACEFUL VISION OR EXPERIENCE.
812
00:34:17,788 --> 00:34:26,530
THERE WERE JUST MOMENTS WHERE I
813
00:34:19,357 --> 00:34:28,599
JUST COULDN'T EVEN...BEAR IT.
814
00:34:24,395 --> 00:34:33,471
LIKE, IT WAS JUST UNBELIEVABLY
815
00:34:26,597 --> 00:34:35,339
HARD.
816
00:34:28,666 --> 00:34:37,208
I FELT A LOT OF DARK THINGS, AND
817
00:34:33,538 --> 00:34:38,242
IT WAS -- THIS SOUNDS VERY
818
00:34:35,406 --> 00:34:39,477
DRAMATIC, BUT [CHUCKLES]
819
00:34:37,275 --> 00:34:43,080
IT WAS PRETTY DEMONIC.
820
00:34:38,309 --> 00:34:45,716
LIKE, THERE WERE SOME PRETTY,
821
00:34:39,544 --> 00:34:47,151
LIKE, TERRIFYING MOMENTS WHERE,
822
00:34:43,147 --> 00:34:48,419
LIKE, I THOUGHT I WAS GONNA DIE.
823
00:34:45,783 --> 00:34:50,654
I THOUGHT I WAS GONNA, LIKE,
824
00:34:47,218 --> 00:34:52,490
SHUT DOWN AS A SELF-PROTECTION
825
00:34:48,486 --> 00:34:54,291
MECHANISM, 'CAUSE I WAS WAY, WAY
826
00:34:50,721 --> 00:34:56,160
BEYOND DEALING WITH IT.
827
00:34:52,557 --> 00:34:57,761
>> [ CHANTING ]
828
00:34:54,358 --> 00:34:58,562
>> AND THEN IT LITERALLY WAS
829
00:34:56,227 --> 00:35:02,299
LIKE A MIRACLE, BECAUSE DAVE
830
00:34:57,828 --> 00:35:03,434
APPEARED.
831
00:34:58,629 --> 00:35:04,668
>> [ CHANTING ]
832
00:35:02,366 --> 00:35:06,570
>> WHAT HAPPENS IN A STRONG
833
00:35:03,501 --> 00:35:08,506
EXPERIENCE WITH AYAHUASCA LIKE
834
00:35:04,735 --> 00:35:10,174
THAT IS THAT YOU LOSE CONTROL.
835
00:35:06,637 --> 00:35:11,742
AN EGO IS ABOUT HAVING CONTROL.
836
00:35:08,573 --> 00:35:13,544
YOU CAN'T CONTROL AYAHUASCA.
837
00:35:10,241 --> 00:35:15,279
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN WORK WITH IT,
838
00:35:11,809 --> 00:35:16,814
BUT IF YOU TRY TO CONTROL IT AND
839
00:35:13,611 --> 00:35:19,416
GET INTO A POWER STRUGGLE WITH
840
00:35:15,346 --> 00:35:21,585
AYAHUASCA, THAT'S WHERE SHE'S
841
00:35:16,881 --> 00:35:22,653
GONNA COME ON STRONGER TO TRY TO
842
00:35:19,483 --> 00:35:29,326
HAVE THAT EGOIC DEATH OR THE
843
00:35:21,652 --> 00:35:31,295
SPIRITUAL DEATH.
844
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:33,230
[ CHANTING ]
845
00:35:29,393 --> 00:35:35,499
>> THERE WERE EMOTIONAL SORT OF
846
00:35:31,362 --> 00:35:36,834
COMPONENTS TO IT TO DO WITH MY
847
00:35:33,297 --> 00:35:38,602
FAMILY.
848
00:35:35,566 --> 00:35:40,337
PEOPLE WOULD COME TO ME --
849
00:35:36,901 --> 00:35:41,805
DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN MY LIFE WHOM
850
00:35:38,669 --> 00:35:43,174
I LOVE, WHICH COME TO ME AND TRY
851
00:35:40,404 --> 00:35:44,542
TO COMMUNICATE TO ME, AND THEN
852
00:35:41,872 --> 00:35:46,177
WOULD BE SUCKED AWAY.
853
00:35:43,241 --> 00:35:48,746
AND I WOULD TRY TO COMMUNICATE
854
00:35:44,609 --> 00:35:51,248
WITH THEM, AND THEN IT WOULD BE
855
00:35:46,244 --> 00:35:53,451
SUCKED AWAY.
856
00:35:48,813 --> 00:35:53,451
IT WAS TRULY, TRULY
857
00:35:51,315 --> 00:35:53,451
INDESCRIBABLE -- THE HORROR.
858
00:36:02,627 --> 00:36:04,428
>> [ CHANTING ]
859
00:36:16,274 --> 00:36:21,845
>> I WAS SO TERRIFIED OF LOSING
860
00:36:18,676 --> 00:36:23,814
HIM, LIKE, 'CAUSE HE WAS LIKE A
861
00:36:20,278 --> 00:36:26,483
LIFELINE.
862
00:36:21,912 --> 00:36:28,786
AND I WAS LIKE [PANTING]
863
00:36:23,881 --> 00:36:31,522
"I WILL DRAG MYSELF.
864
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:36,193
I DON'T CARE WHAT IT TAKES."
865
00:36:28,853 --> 00:36:37,962
AND HE HELPED ME GET OVER THERE,
866
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:40,598
AND THEN HE JUST DID CHANTING,
867
00:36:36,260 --> 00:36:42,933
HE WAS DOING REIKI.
868
00:36:38,029 --> 00:36:44,501
>> [ CHANTING CONTINUES ]
869
00:36:40,665 --> 00:36:46,203
>> SHE'S LOST IN THIS, LIKE,
870
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,871
GREAT BIG, VAST SEA, SO I'M
871
00:36:44,568 --> 00:36:49,773
THERE TO THROW HER A LINE, IN A
872
00:36:46,270 --> 00:36:51,208
WAY, BECAUSE SHE WAS GETTING
873
00:36:47,938 --> 00:36:53,577
DROWNED IN HER, YOU KNOW, HER
874
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:55,312
EXPERIENCE.
875
00:36:51,275 --> 00:36:56,914
I'M THERE TO FIND HER PATH AND
876
00:36:53,644 --> 00:36:59,216
FIND A WAY THAT SHE GOT THERE,
877
00:36:55,379 --> 00:37:00,517
AND SO I, THROUGH THE CHANTING,
878
00:36:56,981 --> 00:37:01,952
FIND HER AND THEN BRING HER BACK
879
00:36:59,283 --> 00:37:03,487
IN HER BODY AND BACK WITH HER
880
00:37:00,584 --> 00:37:04,788
CONNECTION, AND THEN THE HEALING
881
00:37:02,019 --> 00:37:07,891
WILL START TO HAPPEN UNDER ITS
882
00:37:03,554 --> 00:37:08,993
OWN PROCESS.
883
00:37:04,855 --> 00:37:15,299
>> [ CHANTING CONTINUES ]
884
00:37:07,958 --> 00:37:16,734
>> IF THAT ISN'T THE MOST
885
00:37:09,060 --> 00:37:17,835
HUMBLING THING I HAVE EVER DONE.
886
00:37:15,366 --> 00:37:19,436
I HOPE MY EGO JUST STAYS AWAY
887
00:37:16,801 --> 00:37:19,937
AND LEAVES ME ALONE.
888
00:37:17,902 --> 00:37:22,806
[ Voice breaking ] IT HAS TO
889
00:37:19,503 --> 00:37:28,846
PISS OFF.
890
00:37:20,004 --> 00:37:30,014
I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
891
00:37:22,873 --> 00:37:31,015
I DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH IT.
892
00:37:28,913 --> 00:37:31,882
AND DAVE SAID, "OKAY, YOU'RE
893
00:37:30,081 --> 00:37:36,353
GONNA GO TO GUILLERMO.
894
00:37:31,082 --> 00:37:38,556
GO TO GUILLERMO."
895
00:37:31,949 --> 00:37:38,556
AND I WAS LIKE, "CAN I CRAWL?"
896
00:37:36,420 --> 00:37:38,556
SO, I DRAGGED MYSELF.
897
00:37:45,463 --> 00:37:54,038
HE ADDRESSED MY ISSUES AT
898
00:37:48,966 --> 00:37:57,941
MULTIPLE DIFFERENT LEVELS
899
00:37:51,702 --> 00:38:02,713
THROUGH CHANTING.
900
00:37:54,105 --> 00:38:04,048
>> [ CHANTING ]
901
00:37:58,008 --> 00:38:05,716
[ BOTH CHANTING ]
902
00:38:02,780 --> 00:38:07,051
>> OH, I WAS SO GRATEFUL,
903
00:38:04,115 --> 00:38:08,452
BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LET ME GO
904
00:38:05,783 --> 00:38:10,621
UNTIL I WAS ABLE TO COPE.
905
00:38:07,118 --> 00:38:13,490
LIKE, THEY PASSED ME DOWN THE
906
00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:15,559
CHAIN, AND I JUST CRIED AND
907
00:38:10,688 --> 00:38:18,562
CRIED BECAUSE I FELT THIS INSANE
908
00:38:13,557 --> 00:38:21,932
LEVEL OF GRATITUDE.
909
00:38:15,626 --> 00:38:26,437
LIKE, I DON'T EVEN HAVE WORDS
910
00:38:18,629 --> 00:38:30,641
FOR IT.
911
00:38:21,999 --> 00:38:36,080
I FELT THIS KIND OF LOVE I DON'T
912
00:38:26,504 --> 00:38:37,815
THINK I'VE EVER FELT IN MY LIFE.
913
00:38:30,708 --> 00:38:39,717
IT WAS NOT FROM HERE.
914
00:38:36,147 --> 00:38:40,351
>> I WOULD TURN SLIGHTLY AND
915
00:38:37,882 --> 00:38:44,054
JUST KIND OF LET HER KNOW I WAS
916
00:38:39,784 --> 00:38:45,456
THERE.
917
00:38:40,418 --> 00:38:46,857
[ CHUCKLES ]
918
00:38:44,121 --> 00:38:47,691
BUT THAT'S ALL YOU CAN DO.
919
00:38:45,523 --> 00:38:49,059
I MEAN, YOU CAN'T VERBALIZE THAT
920
00:38:46,924 --> 00:38:52,896
SORT OF THING.
921
00:38:47,758 --> 00:38:54,865
I LET HER KNOW THAT I WAS AWARE
922
00:38:49,126 --> 00:38:56,867
OF WHAT SHE WAS GOING THROUGH.
923
00:38:52,963 --> 00:38:57,468
>> BECAUSE WE REALLY SORT OF
924
00:38:54,932 --> 00:38:59,436
BONDED, HE WAS QUITE CLOSE TO
925
00:38:56,934 --> 00:39:00,671
ME.
926
00:38:57,535 --> 00:39:01,805
SOMETIMES HIS BALD HEAD WAS,
927
00:38:59,503 --> 00:39:05,642
LIKE, VOOM, VOOM.
928
00:39:00,738 --> 00:39:07,010
SO, IF I DIDN'T KNOW HIM, I
929
00:39:01,872 --> 00:39:08,011
WOULD'VE BEEN LIKE, "DUDE...GO
930
00:39:05,709 --> 00:39:09,513
HAVE YOUR PARTY, LIKE, THREE
931
00:39:07,077 --> 00:39:11,382
FEET TO THE SIDE.
932
00:39:08,078 --> 00:39:13,384
LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?"
933
00:39:09,580 --> 00:39:14,651
BUT I WAS LIKE -- I WAS
934
00:39:11,449 --> 00:39:17,488
COMFORTED BY ROB'S PRESENCE.
935
00:39:13,451 --> 00:39:20,524
HE JUST WAS AWESOME.
936
00:39:14,718 --> 00:39:22,493
HE WAS LIKE -- HE WAS THERE THE
937
00:39:17,555 --> 00:39:24,995
WHOLE TIME.
938
00:39:20,591 --> 00:39:28,866
WE WENT OUTSIDE AND IT WAS DAWN,
939
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:30,768
SO IT WAS THAT MAGIC TIME WHEN
940
00:39:25,062 --> 00:39:32,603
EVERYTHING'S BLUE.
941
00:39:28,933 --> 00:39:35,572
AND WE KIND OF TROTTED AROUND,
942
00:39:30,835 --> 00:39:37,474
BECAUSE WE WERE JUST SORT OF
943
00:39:32,670 --> 00:39:39,543
USED TO BEING TOGETHER.
944
00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:40,677
I REALLY AM SO -- STILL SO
945
00:39:37,541 --> 00:39:43,080
SLOW-MO.
946
00:39:39,610 --> 00:39:44,648
SLOW-MOTION.
947
00:39:40,744 --> 00:39:45,749
>> IT TAKES SO MUCH OUT OF YOU.
948
00:39:43,147 --> 00:39:47,684
IT'S CRAZY.
949
00:39:44,715 --> 00:39:49,153
>> OH, MY GOD.
950
00:39:45,816 --> 00:39:51,522
I WAS SO GLAD, ROB, THAT YOU
951
00:39:47,751 --> 00:39:52,456
WERE THERE.
952
00:39:49,220 --> 00:39:54,758
THAT LITERALLY BROKE ME OPEN.
953
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:55,993
[ SIGHS ]
954
00:39:52,523 --> 00:39:57,995
LIKE, THAT LITERALLY ANNIHILATED
955
00:39:54,825 --> 00:39:57,995
ME.
956
00:39:56,060 --> 00:39:57,995
I DON'T YET KNOW WHAT IT MEANS.
957
00:40:03,767 --> 00:40:07,538
>> WHEN YOU THINK YOU'RE GONNA
958
00:40:04,935 --> 00:40:09,773
DIE, THE PART OF THAT IS -- THE
959
00:40:06,170 --> 00:40:11,008
PART OF THE HEALING IS THAT WHEN
960
00:40:07,605 --> 00:40:12,409
YOU DO COME OUT OF THE
961
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,577
EXPERIENCE, YOU'RE JUST HAPPY TO
962
00:40:11,075 --> 00:40:15,446
BE ALIVE, AND THAT'S THE WAY WE
963
00:40:12,476 --> 00:40:16,814
NEED TO LIVE EVERY DAY OF OUR
964
00:40:13,644 --> 00:40:18,081
LIFE.
965
00:40:15,513 --> 00:40:24,054
PART OF THE ENJOYMENT OF LIVING
966
00:40:16,881 --> 00:40:26,056
LIFE IS JUST BE GRATEFUL FOR
967
00:40:18,148 --> 00:40:29,493
YOUR LIFE.
968
00:40:24,121 --> 00:40:31,495
>> IS THERE A KEY INSIGHT THAT
969
00:40:26,123 --> 00:40:32,496
YOU GET AFTER YOU'VE TAKEN LOTS
970
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,997
OF AYAHUASCA?
971
00:40:31,562 --> 00:40:40,704
[ SIGHS ]
972
00:40:32,563 --> 00:40:44,007
WELL, IT SOUNDS TRIVIAL, BUT THE
973
00:40:34,064 --> 00:40:45,843
INSIGHT IS YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT.
974
00:40:40,771 --> 00:40:47,611
WE KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT THE
975
00:40:44,074 --> 00:40:51,548
WAY THE WORLD IS PUT TOGETHER,
976
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:52,783
ABOUT HOW THE UNIVERSE REALLY
977
00:40:47,678 --> 00:40:53,116
IS, ABOUT OUR ROLE IN IT, AND
978
00:40:51,615 --> 00:40:54,618
WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON, YOU
979
00:40:52,850 --> 00:40:55,719
KNOW.
980
00:40:53,183 --> 00:40:56,753
YOU MONKEYS ONLY THINK YOU'RE
981
00:40:54,685 --> 00:40:58,155
RUNNING THE SHOW.
982
00:40:55,786 --> 00:40:59,690
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T.
983
00:40:56,820 --> 00:41:01,558
AND NOT ONLY ARE YOU NOT RUNNING
984
00:40:58,222 --> 00:41:03,928
THE SHOW, YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW
985
00:40:59,757 --> 00:41:03,928
WHAT THE SHOW IS.
986
00:41:01,625 --> 00:41:03,928
SO, BE HUMBLE.
987
00:41:04,261 --> 00:41:06,730
REMEMBER THAT YOU DON'T KNOW
988
00:41:05,796 --> 00:41:06,730
MUCH.
989
00:41:11,702 --> 00:41:19,142
>> INTEGRATING THE INSIGHTS
990
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:20,744
LEARNED FROM AYAHUASCA CAN BE A
991
00:41:15,205 --> 00:41:22,212
DIFFICULT TASK.
992
00:41:19,209 --> 00:41:23,247
COLIN IS STILL WORKING TO HEAL
993
00:41:20,811 --> 00:41:24,114
THE RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS WIFE,
994
00:41:22,279 --> 00:41:25,082
NINA.
995
00:41:23,314 --> 00:41:27,918
>> HI.
996
00:41:24,181 --> 00:41:30,087
[ CHUCKLES ]
997
00:41:25,149 --> 00:41:32,089
HI.
998
00:41:27,985 --> 00:41:33,590
>> MY WIFE IS MY SOUL MATE, AND
999
00:41:30,154 --> 00:41:35,092
I REALLY DO WANT TO SEE THAT
1000
00:41:32,156 --> 00:41:35,626
RELATIONSHIP REACH ITS FULL
1001
00:41:33,657 --> 00:41:37,060
POTENTIAL, AND IT CAN BE A ROCKY
1002
00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:37,628
ROAD.
1003
00:41:35,693 --> 00:41:38,829
YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT ITS UPS AND
1004
00:41:37,127 --> 00:41:40,497
DOWNS.
1005
00:41:37,695 --> 00:41:41,899
IT'S NOT ALL BLISS.
1006
00:41:38,896 --> 00:41:43,000
IT'S A PROCESS, AND YOU'VE BEEN
1007
00:41:40,564 --> 00:41:45,669
PART OF THAT PROCESS -- A BIG
1008
00:41:41,966 --> 00:41:47,704
PART OF THAT PROCESS.
1009
00:41:43,067 --> 00:41:48,906
BUT I FINALLY ACCEPTED THINGS ON
1010
00:41:45,736 --> 00:41:50,140
A LEVEL THAT...
1011
00:41:47,771 --> 00:41:52,042
[ SIGHS ]
1012
00:41:48,973 --> 00:41:53,544
[ CHUCKLES ]
1013
00:41:50,207 --> 00:41:56,947
>> [ CHUCKLES ]
1014
00:41:52,109 --> 00:41:58,749
>> I ACCEPTED THINGS ON A LEVEL
1015
00:41:53,611 --> 00:42:00,183
THAT PRODUCED HEALING.
1016
00:41:57,014 --> 00:42:01,919
>> WHAT HE GETS FROM CEREMONY IS
1017
00:41:58,816 --> 00:42:03,687
HE REALLY GETS IN TOUCH WITH
1018
00:42:00,250 --> 00:42:05,822
HIMSELF, OF A PLACE OF
1019
00:42:01,986 --> 00:42:08,692
ACCEPTANCE OF HIMSELF,
1020
00:42:03,754 --> 00:42:10,761
ACCEPTANCE OF ME, JUST LETTING
1021
00:42:05,889 --> 00:42:12,796
GO AND NOT NEEDING TO CONTROL.
1022
00:42:08,759 --> 00:42:14,998
AND THEN IT WILL LAST A MONTH,
1023
00:42:10,828 --> 00:42:16,934
AND THEN IT EXPLODES INTO NOT
1024
00:42:12,863 --> 00:42:17,801
BEING HAPPY AND UNHAPPY IN THIS
1025
00:42:15,065 --> 00:42:19,102
RELATIONSHIP AND COMPLETE
1026
00:42:17,001 --> 00:42:23,240
OPPOSITE.
1027
00:42:17,868 --> 00:42:26,777
I'M TRYING TO JUST BE ACCEPTING
1028
00:42:19,169 --> 00:42:28,845
OF IT, BUT IT'S HARD TO
1029
00:42:23,307 --> 00:42:30,781
COMPLETELY ACCEPT IT ALL, COLIN,
1030
00:42:26,844 --> 00:42:33,717
'CAUSE I'VE HEARD A LOT OF THE
1031
00:42:28,912 --> 00:42:36,620
SAME KIND OF STUFF BEFORE.
1032
00:42:30,848 --> 00:42:39,056
JUST GONNA TAKE SOME TIME TILL I
1033
00:42:33,784 --> 00:42:40,857
SEE SOME -- I ACTUALLY SEE IT AS
1034
00:42:36,687 --> 00:42:42,559
OPPOSED TO WORDS.
1035
00:42:39,123 --> 00:42:44,261
I THINK COLIN SOMETIMES FEELS
1036
00:42:40,924 --> 00:42:46,163
THAT HE JUST NEEDS TO LIVE
1037
00:42:42,626 --> 00:42:47,764
AYAHUASCA TO AYAHUASCA, CEREMONY
1038
00:42:44,328 --> 00:42:52,035
TO CEREMONY, BUT YOU CAN'T JUST
1039
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:55,639
LIVE IN THAT WORLD.
1040
00:42:47,831 --> 00:42:57,074
YOUR WORLD IS FAMILY OR JOB,
1041
00:42:52,102 --> 00:42:58,275
WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
1042
00:42:55,706 --> 00:42:59,943
>> THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF
1043
00:42:57,141 --> 00:43:01,612
AYAHUASCA IS THE ACTUAL
1044
00:42:58,342 --> 00:43:03,146
INTEGRATION INTO YOUR LIFE.
1045
00:43:00,010 --> 00:43:05,782
IF YOU'RE NOT INTEGRATING THAT,
1046
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:06,984
THERE'S NO POINT TO ANY OF THESE
1047
00:43:03,213 --> 00:43:09,186
SPIRITUAL PATHS.
1048
00:43:05,849 --> 00:43:09,186
UNLESS WE'RE DOING THAT, WE'RE
1049
00:43:07,051 --> 00:43:09,186
WASTING OUR TIME.
1050
00:43:14,758 --> 00:43:22,166
>> IT WAS STAGGERING THE EXTENT
1051
00:43:17,194 --> 00:43:22,166
TO WHICH I NEEDED TO PROCESS
1052
00:43:19,663 --> 00:43:22,166
WHAT HAPPENED IN PERU.
1053
00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:29,973
IT WASN'T UNTIL HALFWAY THROUGH
1054
00:43:24,168 --> 00:43:32,909
IT THAT I REALIZED WITH
1055
00:43:28,439 --> 00:43:34,077
INCREDIBLE CERTAINTY, LIKE A
1056
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:35,379
LIGHTNING BOLT, THAT I HAD
1057
00:43:32,976 --> 00:43:37,114
ALMOST MISSED THE POINT
1058
00:43:34,144 --> 00:43:38,615
ENTIRELY, WHICH WAS THAT I
1059
00:43:35,446 --> 00:43:39,950
WASN'T THERE FOR WORK.
1060
00:43:37,181 --> 00:43:41,351
I MEAN, THE TRUE PURPOSE, IN
1061
00:43:38,682 --> 00:43:42,786
TERMS OF WHY I WAS THERE, HAD
1062
00:43:40,017 --> 00:43:45,856
NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THOSE
1063
00:43:41,418 --> 00:43:47,257
THINGS.
1064
00:43:42,853 --> 00:43:50,661
IT WAS ONLY FOR ME.
1065
00:43:45,923 --> 00:43:52,963
IT WAS REALLY HARD FOR ME TO
1066
00:43:47,324 --> 00:43:54,765
ARTICULATE WHAT HAD HAPPENED AND
1067
00:43:50,728 --> 00:43:56,266
HOW I FELT ABOUT IT.
1068
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:57,934
I BECAME DEFENSIVE OF IT BECAUSE
1069
00:43:54,832 --> 00:43:59,369
I THINK THE GO-TO THOUGHT FOR
1070
00:43:56,333 --> 00:44:00,804
PEOPLE IS, "OH, YOU'RE GOING AND
1071
00:43:58,001 --> 00:44:02,639
GETTING HIGH -- PSYCHOTROPIC
1072
00:43:59,436 --> 00:44:04,241
PLANTS IN THE JUNGLE."
1073
00:44:00,871 --> 00:44:05,976
AND IT ALMOST IS A BIT OFFENSIVE
1074
00:44:02,706 --> 00:44:07,778
IF YOU HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE WITH
1075
00:44:04,308 --> 00:44:09,346
AYAHUASCA TO THINK OF IT THAT
1076
00:44:06,043 --> 00:44:11,148
WAY OR REFER TO IT IN THAT WAY,
1077
00:44:07,845 --> 00:44:15,052
SO I WOULD FIND IT FRUSTRATING
1078
00:44:09,413 --> 00:44:16,887
TO SORT OF TRY TO EXPLAIN IT TO
1079
00:44:11,215 --> 00:44:18,288
PEOPLE.
1080
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:19,856
>> SO, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE
1081
00:44:16,954 --> 00:44:20,891
AYAHUASCA DID FOR YOU?
1082
00:44:18,355 --> 00:44:22,059
HOW DID IT CHANGE YOUR
1083
00:44:19,923 --> 00:44:23,193
PERCEPTION OF THE WORLD?
1084
00:44:20,958 --> 00:44:24,795
>> IT JUST MAKES YOU REALIZE
1085
00:44:22,126 --> 00:44:27,297
THAT YOU'RE PART OF A MUCH
1086
00:44:23,260 --> 00:44:28,165
LARGER WHOLE ALL THE TIME,
1087
00:44:24,862 --> 00:44:29,099
WHETHER IT'S NATURE OR THE OTHER
1088
00:44:27,364 --> 00:44:30,167
PEOPLE IN YOUR LIFE.
1089
00:44:28,232 --> 00:44:32,102
>> YOU KNOW, I'M KIND OF
1090
00:44:29,166 --> 00:44:34,004
CONFLICTED, 'CAUSE IT SOUNDS
1091
00:44:30,234 --> 00:44:36,073
LIKE IT'S A SHORTCUT TO
1092
00:44:32,169 --> 00:44:38,041
MEDITATION OR TO SPIRITUAL
1093
00:44:34,071 --> 00:44:40,043
AWAKENING, AND I'M NOT SURE IF
1094
00:44:36,140 --> 00:44:42,145
THAT SHORTCUT, THEN, HAS THE
1095
00:44:38,108 --> 00:44:43,313
LONG-TERM EFFECTS THAT, SAY,
1096
00:44:40,110 --> 00:44:44,715
DISCIPLINE AND MEDITATION WOULD
1097
00:44:42,212 --> 00:44:45,115
HAVE, YOU KNOW?
1098
00:44:43,380 --> 00:44:48,885
>> I'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT
1099
00:44:44,782 --> 00:44:49,920
SOME MORE.
1100
00:44:45,182 --> 00:44:50,787
>> MM.
1101
00:44:48,952 --> 00:44:52,422
>> I LIVE ALONE.
1102
00:44:49,987 --> 00:44:54,257
[ CHUCKLES ]
1103
00:44:50,854 --> 00:44:56,159
EVERYTHING I DO IS SOLITARY, FOR
1104
00:44:52,489 --> 00:44:58,028
THE MOST PART.
1105
00:44:54,324 --> 00:44:59,830
WHEN I CAME BACK, IT WAS ON THE
1106
00:44:56,226 --> 00:45:00,897
TIP OF MY TONGUE THAT I SHOULD
1107
00:44:58,095 --> 00:45:01,264
BE IN CLOSER CONTACT WITH MY
1108
00:44:59,897 --> 00:45:02,299
FAMILY.
1109
00:45:00,964 --> 00:45:03,233
HEY.
1110
00:45:01,331 --> 00:45:04,801
HOW'S IT GOING?
1111
00:45:02,366 --> 00:45:05,902
>> EXCELLENT.
1112
00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:07,437
>> I MEAN, YOU CAN'T PRETEND TO
1113
00:45:04,868 --> 00:45:09,239
UNDERSTAND THE BOSOM OF
1114
00:45:05,969 --> 00:45:11,041
AYAHUASCA CRADLING YOU UNLESS
1115
00:45:07,504 --> 00:45:12,843
YOU REALIZE THAT YOU ALSO HAVE
1116
00:45:09,306 --> 00:45:14,478
FRIENDS AND FAMILY THAT MEAN A
1117
00:45:11,108 --> 00:45:16,713
GREAT DEAL TO YOU, AND YOU HAVE
1118
00:45:12,910 --> 00:45:19,049
TO TAKE THE LOVE THAT SHE SHOWS
1119
00:45:14,545 --> 00:45:20,150
YOU THERE AND SPREAD THAT AROUND
1120
00:45:16,780 --> 00:45:21,318
TO YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS.
1121
00:45:19,116 --> 00:45:21,918
HAVE A SAFE TRIP IN TOMORROW,
1122
00:45:20,217 --> 00:45:22,786
AND I'LL SEE YOU IN THE MORNING.
1123
00:45:21,385 --> 00:45:25,489
>> CHEERS.
1124
00:45:21,985 --> 00:45:27,090
WE'LL SEE YOU THERE.
1125
00:45:22,853 --> 00:45:28,225
>> TAKE CARE.
1126
00:45:25,556 --> 00:45:29,426
EVEN MY BROTHER -- I MEAN, WE'RE
1127
00:45:27,157 --> 00:45:30,894
CUT FROM THE SAME CLOTH.
1128
00:45:28,292 --> 00:45:32,295
WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF
1129
00:45:29,493 --> 00:45:33,730
GUARDED, DISTANT PEOPLE, AND
1130
00:45:30,961 --> 00:45:39,369
JUST TO SEE HIM ALMOST GUSH THIS
1131
00:45:32,362 --> 00:45:40,971
MORNING, IT WAS JUST REALLY
1132
00:45:33,797 --> 00:45:42,506
NICE.
1133
00:45:39,436 --> 00:45:46,076
>> OVER THE WEEKS AND MONTHS
1134
00:45:41,038 --> 00:45:47,511
FOLLOWING, I REALIZED THAT I HAD
1135
00:45:42,573 --> 00:45:49,146
NEVER IN MY LIFE FELT VULNERABLE
1136
00:45:46,143 --> 00:45:52,382
THE WAY THAT I DID IN THAT
1137
00:45:47,578 --> 00:45:55,118
MOMENT BECAUSE I HAD NEVER
1138
00:45:49,213 --> 00:45:56,753
ALLOWED IT.
1139
00:45:52,449 --> 00:45:59,022
AND ULTIMATELY, WHAT I REALIZED
1140
00:45:55,185 --> 00:46:02,425
IS THAT TO REALLY RECEIVE LOVE,
1141
00:45:56,820 --> 00:46:05,095
YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO BE
1142
00:45:59,089 --> 00:46:08,365
VULNERABLE.
1143
00:46:02,492 --> 00:46:10,500
AYAHUASCA GAVE ME A DIFFERENT
1144
00:46:05,162 --> 00:46:12,135
WAY OF FEELING IN MY BODY, A
1145
00:46:08,432 --> 00:46:13,403
DIFFERENT WAY OF BEING, A
1146
00:46:10,567 --> 00:46:16,173
DIFFERENT WAY OF VIEWING MYSELF
1147
00:46:12,202 --> 00:46:18,508
IN THE WORLD.
1148
00:46:13,470 --> 00:46:21,812
THAT IT IS STAGGERING IN THAT IT
1149
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:21,812
ALLOWS YOU TO SORT OF HAVE A
1150
00:46:18,575 --> 00:46:21,812
SECOND CHANCE AT BEING YOURSELF.
1151
00:46:24,882 --> 00:46:28,485
>> THERE'S BEEN A TREND, I
1152
00:46:26,083 --> 00:46:30,220
THINK, IN WESTERN MEDICINE TO
1153
00:46:27,351 --> 00:46:32,522
RECOGNIZE THAT ALTERNATIVE
1154
00:46:28,552 --> 00:46:34,324
HEALING PRACTICES CAN BE A
1155
00:46:30,287 --> 00:46:34,324
USEFUL ADJUNCT TO MODERN,
1156
00:46:32,589 --> 00:46:34,324
WESTERN APPROACHES.
1157
00:46:34,858 --> 00:46:40,096
SO I THINK AYAHUASCA CAN BE A
1158
00:46:36,526 --> 00:46:42,065
VALUABLE COMPONENT OF TREATING
1159
00:46:38,428 --> 00:46:44,067
SUCH THINGS AS PSYCHIATRIC
1160
00:46:40,163 --> 00:46:45,569
CONDITIONS, DEPRESSION, ANXIETY,
1161
00:46:42,132 --> 00:46:47,571
ADDICTIONS -- THINGS THAT MODERN
1162
00:46:44,134 --> 00:46:49,306
WESTERN MEDICINE, I THINK,
1163
00:46:45,636 --> 00:46:49,306
HASN'T REALLY DONE A GOOD JOB OF
1164
00:46:47,638 --> 00:46:49,306
ADDRESSING.
1165
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:54,377
>> I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF
1166
00:46:50,941 --> 00:46:55,979
OPTIMISM THAT WITHIN MY
1167
00:46:53,043 --> 00:46:56,580
LIFETIME, SOMETHING LIKE
1168
00:46:54,444 --> 00:46:59,082
AYAHUASCA WILL BE SAFELY
1169
00:46:56,046 --> 00:47:01,251
EMPLOYED.
1170
00:46:56,647 --> 00:47:02,252
IF IT RUNS COUNTER TO PEOPLE'S
1171
00:46:59,149 --> 00:47:02,252
INNATE PREJUDICES, IT'S NOT
1172
00:47:01,318 --> 00:47:02,252
INCORPORATED.
1173
00:47:02,586 --> 00:47:09,025
HERETICAL AS IT IS TO SAY IT IN
1174
00:47:04,922 --> 00:47:11,061
A MEDICAL CONTEXT, I DON'T NEED
1175
00:47:07,024 --> 00:47:12,996
DECADES OF RESEARCH TO TELL ME
1176
00:47:09,092 --> 00:47:12,996
THAT SOMETHING IS GOOD WHEN I
1177
00:47:11,128 --> 00:47:12,996
KNOW THAT IT IS.
1178
00:47:19,202 --> 00:47:22,505
>> HOW'S IT GOING, BRO?
1179
00:47:20,537 --> 00:47:23,340
[ CHUCKLES ]
1180
00:47:21,505 --> 00:47:24,040
NICE SEEING YOU AGAIN.
1181
00:47:22,572 --> 00:47:24,875
HOW YOU DOING?
1182
00:47:23,407 --> 00:47:26,076
YEAH, YEAH.
1183
00:47:24,107 --> 00:47:27,978
>> GOOD. GOOD.
1184
00:47:24,942 --> 00:47:29,379
>> THANK YOU.
1185
00:47:26,143 --> 00:47:32,415
GOOD TO SEE YOU.
1186
00:47:28,045 --> 00:47:34,017
THIS MEDICINE IS GIVING ME MY
1187
00:47:29,446 --> 00:47:34,484
LIFE -- MY LIFE PATH.
1188
00:47:32,482 --> 00:47:36,086
I'LL BE DOING THIS UNTIL I'M OLD
1189
00:47:34,084 --> 00:47:36,419
AND GRAY.
1190
00:47:34,551 --> 00:47:37,988
THAT'S NEVER BEEN A DOUBT IN MY
1191
00:47:36,153 --> 00:47:40,624
MIND.
1192
00:47:36,486 --> 00:47:42,325
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN WHETHER OR NOT
1193
00:47:38,055 --> 00:47:44,261
I COULD ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH IT.
1194
00:47:40,691 --> 00:47:46,496
JUST THANK CREATOR FOR
1195
00:47:42,392 --> 00:47:48,131
NOURISHMENT AND NOURISH OUR
1196
00:47:44,328 --> 00:47:49,366
BODY, OUR SPIRIT, OUR MINDS.
1197
00:47:46,563 --> 00:47:50,500
HELP US BE STRONG AND WORK IN A
1198
00:47:48,198 --> 00:47:52,202
GOOD WAY WITH THE MEDICINE
1199
00:47:49,433 --> 00:47:52,936
TONIGHT.
1200
00:47:50,567 --> 00:47:54,571
IT'S GIVEN ME A WHOLE COMMUNITY
1201
00:47:52,269 --> 00:47:56,273
OF PEOPLE.
1202
00:47:53,003 --> 00:47:58,174
IT'S GIVEN ME DEAR FRIENDS.
1203
00:47:54,638 --> 00:47:59,876
IT'S GIVEN ME A PURPOSE.
1204
00:47:56,340 --> 00:48:01,411
IT'S GIVEN ME CONFIDENCE, YOU
1205
00:47:58,241 --> 00:48:03,413
KNOW, JUST TO BE ABLE TO
1206
00:47:59,943 --> 00:48:07,450
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I CAN DO
1207
00:48:01,478 --> 00:48:09,286
SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE
1208
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:10,987
AND HELPING PEOPLE.
1209
00:48:07,517 --> 00:48:12,555
>> AT DAVE'S NORTHERN WILDERNESS
1210
00:48:09,353 --> 00:48:15,659
RETREAT, ROB AND KIRSTIE MEET
1211
00:48:11,054 --> 00:48:17,294
FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE THEIR
1212
00:48:12,622 --> 00:48:18,929
TRIP TO PERU.
1213
00:48:15,726 --> 00:48:21,131
>> I DIDN'T KNOW ROB BEFORE
1214
00:48:17,361 --> 00:48:21,131
THIS, BUT I NOW KNOW ROB IN
1215
00:48:18,996 --> 00:48:21,131
RATHER AN INTIMATE WAY.
1216
00:48:27,004 --> 00:48:28,272
[ SIGHS ]
1217
00:48:31,641 --> 00:48:38,148
>> IT WAS JUST LIKE SOME KIND OF
1218
00:48:33,610 --> 00:48:39,382
CRAZY, NATURAL WEDDING WHERE WE
1219
00:48:35,545 --> 00:48:40,917
JUST -- A UNION OF OUR SOULS,
1220
00:48:38,215 --> 00:48:42,085
AND SHE WAS A LITTLE ON THE
1221
00:48:39,449 --> 00:48:43,386
DOWNSIDE, I WAS A LITTLE ON THE
1222
00:48:40,984 --> 00:48:46,523
UP, BUT BY THE END OF THE
1223
00:48:42,152 --> 00:48:48,058
EVENING, WE WERE AT EXACTLY THE
1224
00:48:43,453 --> 00:48:49,459
SAME PLACE.
1225
00:48:46,590 --> 00:48:50,393
>> SO, WE'RE ALL GONNA BE
1226
00:48:48,125 --> 00:48:52,162
DRINKING AYAHUASCA TONIGHT.
1227
00:48:49,526 --> 00:48:53,596
TRUST YOURSELF.
1228
00:48:50,460 --> 00:48:55,231
YOU'VE HEARD THE CALL, YOU FELT
1229
00:48:52,229 --> 00:48:56,366
THE CALL TO BE HERE.
1230
00:48:53,663 --> 00:48:57,534
SOME PEOPLE TALK ABOUT, YOU
1231
00:48:55,298 --> 00:48:58,702
KNOW, THE CHEMICAL.
1232
00:48:56,433 --> 00:49:03,306
IT'S NOT A CHEMICAL.
1233
00:48:57,601 --> 00:49:05,308
AYAHUASCA'S A SPIRIT.
1234
00:48:58,769 --> 00:49:07,243
[ BLOWING ]
1235
00:49:03,373 --> 00:49:09,145
SO, APPROACH AYAHUASCA WITH, YOU
1236
00:49:05,375 --> 00:49:12,315
KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, RESPECT, WITH
1237
00:49:07,310 --> 00:49:13,516
REVERENCE, AND ALSO WITH
1238
00:49:09,212 --> 00:49:15,051
GRATITUDE.
1239
00:49:12,382 --> 00:49:16,519
I'M ALWAYS CHECKING IN WITH MY
1240
00:49:13,583 --> 00:49:18,154
INTENTION.
1241
00:49:15,118 --> 00:49:19,489
WHAT IS MY INTENTION OF CARRYING
1242
00:49:16,586 --> 00:49:20,991
THIS WORK?
1243
00:49:18,221 --> 00:49:22,225
IT HAS TO BE TO SHARE, AND TO
1244
00:49:19,556 --> 00:49:23,660
HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE THAT YOU
1245
00:49:21,058 --> 00:49:24,427
CAN GET IN THE AMAZON WITH
1246
00:49:22,292 --> 00:49:30,333
TRADITIONAL HEALERS BUT HAVE IT
1247
00:49:23,727 --> 00:49:31,634
HERE.
1248
00:49:24,494 --> 00:49:32,702
[ CHANTING ]
1249
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,104
WHEN WE DRINK AYAHUASCA OUTSIDE
1250
00:49:31,701 --> 00:49:35,105
OF THE AMAZON, WE'RE NOT
1251
00:49:32,769 --> 00:49:36,339
SURROUNDED BY THE PLANTS, SO
1252
00:49:34,171 --> 00:49:37,540
IT'S ALSO A DIFFERENT
1253
00:49:35,172 --> 00:49:40,210
EXPERIENCE, BUT YOU CAN STILL
1254
00:49:36,406 --> 00:49:41,444
TAKE THE SPIRIT OF THE PLANT
1255
00:49:37,607 --> 00:49:42,679
WITH YOU.
1256
00:49:40,277 --> 00:49:44,114
I HAVE THE SPIRIT OF THE PLANTS
1257
00:49:41,511 --> 00:49:47,183
INSIDE ME AND THE SPIRIT OF THE
1258
00:49:42,746 --> 00:49:49,019
JUNGLE, AND I TRY TO SHARE THAT
1259
00:49:44,181 --> 00:49:50,353
WITH THE PEOPLE.
1260
00:49:47,250 --> 00:49:52,088
>> DAVE AND OTHERS LIKE HIM ARE
1261
00:49:49,086 --> 00:49:54,691
SPREADING THE GOSPEL OF
1262
00:49:50,420 --> 00:49:56,393
AYAHUASCA THROUGH CEREMONIES
1263
00:49:52,155 --> 00:49:58,294
AROUND THE WORLD.
1264
00:49:54,758 --> 00:50:00,263
>> MY INTENTION IS TO HELP
1265
00:49:56,460 --> 00:50:02,265
PEOPLE IN THEIR HEALING -- THE
1266
00:49:58,361 --> 00:50:04,667
HEALING OF OUR COMMUNITIES HERE,
1267
00:50:00,330 --> 00:50:09,305
THE HEALING OF THE PLANET.
1268
00:50:02,332 --> 00:50:11,641
THIS IS WHY I THINK AYAHUASCA
1269
00:50:04,734 --> 00:50:14,077
HAS LEFT THE AMAZON.
1270
00:50:09,372 --> 00:50:15,445
>> WE'RE IMPACTING THE PLANET IN
1271
00:50:11,708 --> 00:50:16,780
CERTAIN AREAS LIKE THE AMAZON.
1272
00:50:14,144 --> 00:50:18,681
THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE WHERE
1273
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WE'RE BASICALLY RAPING THE
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AMAZON, BUT MAYBE THIS IS
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00:50:18,748 --> 00:50:24,687
SENDING, YOU KNOW, WAVES OF
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ALARM, IN SOME SENSE, THROUGH
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THE REST OF THE BIOSPHERE.
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AND IN NO SENSE AM I INVOKING
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00:50:26,356 --> 00:50:32,195
CONSCIOUSNESS HERE, BUT IT'S A
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DEFENSIVE STRATEGY FOR
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00:50:29,793 --> 00:50:38,635
SELF-PRESERVATION ON THE PART
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00:50:32,262 --> 00:50:40,270
OF, NOT ONLY AYAHUASCA, BUT IN
1283
00:50:34,598 --> 00:50:42,138
SOME WAYS, ALMOST ON BEHALF OF
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00:50:38,702 --> 00:50:44,574
EVERYTHING THAT'S LIVING ON THE
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PLANET.
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00:50:42,205 --> 00:50:50,180
MAYBE THIS IS THE LAST DESPERATE
1287
00:50:44,641 --> 00:50:52,048
PLOY OF GAIA TO SORT OF HIT US
1288
00:50:48,378 --> 00:50:53,750
UPSIDE THE HEAD AND SAY, YOU
1289
00:50:50,247 --> 00:50:57,720
KNOW, "WAKE UP, YOU MONKEYS.
1290
00:50:52,115 --> 00:50:59,255
YOU'RE REALLY SCREWING THINGS
1291
00:50:53,817 --> 00:51:00,623
UP."
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00:50:57,787 --> 00:51:03,793
>> I MEAN, IF AYAHUASCA WAS TO
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BE DESCRIBED AS A RELIGION OR A
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00:51:00,690 --> 00:51:09,466
FAITH, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE EARTH
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00:51:03,860 --> 00:51:11,668
AND ALL OF THE BEINGS -- ALL OF
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00:51:06,296 --> 00:51:12,502
THE BEINGS IN IT...BUT IN AN
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00:51:09,533 --> 00:51:13,670
EXPERIENTIAL WAY.
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00:51:11,735 --> 00:51:15,738
IT'S ONE THING TO
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00:51:12,569 --> 00:51:20,510
INTELLECTUALIZE SOMETHING, AND
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00:51:13,737 --> 00:51:23,847
IT'S ANOTHER THING ENTIRELY TO
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00:51:15,805 --> 00:51:25,281
TOUCH IT AND TO EXPERIENCE...
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00:51:20,577 --> 00:51:27,317
OTHER BIGGER ENERGIES THAT ARE
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00:51:23,914 --> 00:51:31,154
INTELLIGENT.
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00:51:25,348 --> 00:51:32,188
>> IT'S VERY MUCH LIKE BEING
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00:51:27,384 --> 00:51:33,323
HELD TO THE BOSOM OF THE MOTHER
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00:51:31,221 --> 00:51:35,525
OF EVERYTHING.
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00:51:32,255 --> 00:51:35,525
>> AND IT'S VERY MUCH ABOUT
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LOVE, PERIOD.
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>> [ CHANTING ]
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