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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,907 --> 00:00:13,457 It is said that there are no secrets in a small town. 2 00:00:13,565 --> 00:00:18,325 But in Skidmore, those who know who killed Ken Rex McElroy won't say. 3 00:00:19,536 --> 00:00:21,156 Nobody deserves to be murdered. 4 00:00:21,262 --> 00:00:22,712 However... 5 00:00:22,815 --> 00:00:25,745 Ken McElroy terrorized the town of Skidmore, Missouri, 6 00:00:25,853 --> 00:00:27,273 for more than ten years, 7 00:00:27,372 --> 00:00:28,722 then in broad daylight, 8 00:00:28,821 --> 00:00:31,621 with more than 45 people watching, 9 00:00:31,721 --> 00:00:33,901 Ken McElroy was gunned down and killed. 10 00:00:33,999 --> 00:00:37,869 But nobody saw a thing, and nobody did anything. 11 00:00:37,968 --> 00:00:41,558 This town was so full of sin. 12 00:00:41,662 --> 00:00:43,392 It was proud they had killed him. 13 00:00:43,491 --> 00:00:45,531 If they catch somebody, 14 00:00:45,631 --> 00:00:47,881 would you feel that justice has been done? 15 00:00:47,978 --> 00:00:50,498 No, because there was a whole town. 16 00:00:50,602 --> 00:00:53,292 That was the one mistake that they made. 17 00:00:53,398 --> 00:00:55,498 They didn't kill his wife. 18 00:00:55,607 --> 00:00:57,747 I would've killed his wife. 19 00:02:05,780 --> 00:02:08,340 Mrs. McElroy, I know this is upsetting to you. 20 00:02:08,438 --> 00:02:11,548 Yes. I turned around and... 21 00:02:12,822 --> 00:02:14,482 and he had been shot. 22 00:02:15,376 --> 00:02:20,376 And... I opened the door and... 23 00:02:20,485 --> 00:02:22,275 they said... The man told me to stay in there, 24 00:02:22,383 --> 00:02:24,593 they wanted to shoot me too. 25 00:02:32,152 --> 00:02:33,642 Yes. Yes. I am. 26 00:02:33,739 --> 00:02:37,639 I have been wondering why they haven't done anything. 27 00:02:38,951 --> 00:02:40,881 Yes, I do. 28 00:02:44,129 --> 00:02:45,649 Yes, I do. 29 00:02:48,444 --> 00:02:51,144 Nothing. 30 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:55,900 Oh, yes. 31 00:02:57,522 --> 00:03:00,252 They haven't done nothing. 32 00:03:03,528 --> 00:03:05,668 Not in Nodaway County, no. 33 00:03:10,017 --> 00:03:12,947 I don't know what their problem is, but I know who did it. 34 00:03:16,161 --> 00:03:18,061 I do not know. 35 00:03:20,855 --> 00:03:24,825 No, I do not want to go out of county. 36 00:03:24,928 --> 00:03:28,348 I don't believe that I'd be safe there. 37 00:03:37,286 --> 00:03:39,866 Can we take a break just a minute, fellas? 38 00:03:51,714 --> 00:03:55,824 Trena was devoted to Ken, in a sick way, 39 00:03:55,925 --> 00:03:59,025 clear all the way through to the end. 40 00:03:59,135 --> 00:04:04,655 After McElroy was killed, she... she was still fighting for him. 41 00:04:08,144 --> 00:04:10,564 This is the tale of a small farm town, 42 00:04:10,664 --> 00:04:12,224 Skidmore, Missouri, 43 00:04:12,321 --> 00:04:15,531 and the bad brazen bully who terrorized its people. 44 00:04:15,634 --> 00:04:18,434 Kenneth Rex McElroy was 47 years old, 45 00:04:18,534 --> 00:04:19,854 and was known far and wide 46 00:04:19,949 --> 00:04:24,019 as the meanest man in Nodaway County. 47 00:04:24,125 --> 00:04:25,985 His widow, Trena McElroy, 48 00:04:26,093 --> 00:04:28,653 says he was a loving father and a kind husband. 49 00:04:28,751 --> 00:04:31,931 She was there at the D&G bar with him when he was shot. 50 00:04:36,655 --> 00:04:38,755 The first time I actually had anybody 51 00:04:38,864 --> 00:04:40,734 ask me anything about Ken McElroy 52 00:04:40,832 --> 00:04:45,152 was when I was a freshman in high school. 53 00:04:45,250 --> 00:04:49,050 My mom asked me if I had seen Trena McCloud 54 00:04:49,150 --> 00:04:52,050 get on and off the school bus and go with anybody, 55 00:04:52,153 --> 00:04:55,743 and I hadn't, 'cause I wasn't paying attention. 56 00:04:57,297 --> 00:04:59,947 My daughter and her used to go to school together. 57 00:05:00,058 --> 00:05:03,538 So she says "That girl's gonna get in trouble," 58 00:05:03,648 --> 00:05:05,098 and I said "What do you mean?" 59 00:05:05,201 --> 00:05:08,141 She said she met Ken McElroy 60 00:05:08,238 --> 00:05:10,718 down at the Four Corners from Maitland. 61 00:05:12,622 --> 00:05:15,322 She couldn't wait till she got in that truck with him. 62 00:05:18,973 --> 00:05:22,983 We started hearing that he was picking Trena up from school 63 00:05:23,081 --> 00:05:26,361 and then taking her back to get on the bus going home. 64 00:05:26,464 --> 00:05:29,474 And it wasn't long after that that she dropped out of school. 65 00:05:32,780 --> 00:05:34,890 She loved him. 66 00:05:34,989 --> 00:05:36,539 She followed him. 67 00:05:36,646 --> 00:05:39,056 I mean she followed him. 68 00:05:39,166 --> 00:05:40,956 They were lovers. 69 00:05:43,481 --> 00:05:46,691 Over his life, he had five wives, 70 00:05:46,794 --> 00:05:51,454 and anywhere between 16 to 19 children. 71 00:05:51,558 --> 00:05:53,628 That's a lot of McElroys. 72 00:05:55,424 --> 00:05:56,984 Well, it's really no big secret 73 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,910 that Dad was seeing women that were a lot younger. 74 00:06:00,014 --> 00:06:04,124 Fourteen I would say was probably pretty close to average. 75 00:06:04,225 --> 00:06:08,055 The story on it was that they wanted to get married, 76 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,650 and parents said no, he's... 77 00:06:10,749 --> 00:06:12,339 'cause he was still married at the time 78 00:06:12,441 --> 00:06:13,681 he was asking about it. 79 00:06:13,787 --> 00:06:15,377 Dad hooked up with Trena, 80 00:06:15,478 --> 00:06:17,098 they were kind of sharing Dad for a minute, 81 00:06:17,204 --> 00:06:20,034 and Trena got upset because Dad would not stop 82 00:06:20,138 --> 00:06:23,208 seeing his wife, and that's when the whole 83 00:06:23,313 --> 00:06:24,973 rape thing came in. 84 00:06:25,074 --> 00:06:29,564 They began seeing each other when she was 14. 85 00:06:29,665 --> 00:06:32,385 At 16, she accused him of rape. 86 00:06:32,495 --> 00:06:33,765 They said he raped her. 87 00:06:33,876 --> 00:06:35,186 You know, I don't know that for sure. 88 00:06:35,291 --> 00:06:36,781 You know, he'd asked for consent 89 00:06:36,879 --> 00:06:38,569 from her parents again, and they said, 90 00:06:38,674 --> 00:06:41,334 "No, you can't marry him", and next thing you knew 91 00:06:41,435 --> 00:06:42,505 their house burned down. 92 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:50,440 None of that was true. 93 00:06:50,548 --> 00:06:52,198 That was made up shit. 94 00:06:52,308 --> 00:06:54,028 I don't believe my dad burnt down their house. 95 00:06:54,137 --> 00:06:57,207 There was a lot of stories that circulated 96 00:06:57,313 --> 00:06:59,563 around Trena's family. 97 00:06:59,660 --> 00:07:01,870 Mom told me they were bullshit. 98 00:07:01,973 --> 00:07:04,043 Is it true that when you were still a schoolgirl, 99 00:07:04,147 --> 00:07:06,527 sixteen years old, that your husband raped you? 100 00:07:06,633 --> 00:07:08,913 No. This is not true, no. 101 00:07:09,014 --> 00:07:10,434 He was charged with rape. 102 00:07:10,533 --> 00:07:12,713 Yes, he was charged with it. 103 00:07:12,811 --> 00:07:14,541 But it's not true. 104 00:07:14,641 --> 00:07:16,881 - You brought the charge against him? - Yes. And it's not true. 105 00:07:16,988 --> 00:07:18,128 Why did you do it? 106 00:07:18,230 --> 00:07:20,610 Jealousy. I was jealous over him, 107 00:07:20,716 --> 00:07:22,196 but it's not true. 108 00:07:24,271 --> 00:07:26,761 Was your parents' house burnt down? 109 00:07:26,860 --> 00:07:28,480 No, it was not burnt down, 110 00:07:28,586 --> 00:07:30,276 it was defaulty wiring. 111 00:07:30,380 --> 00:07:34,140 And the record should show it's defaulty wiring. 112 00:07:34,246 --> 00:07:37,106 It was... It was just a charge to... 113 00:07:37,215 --> 00:07:39,625 more trouble, like everybody usually did. 114 00:07:39,735 --> 00:07:42,975 - More trouble. - Including you, you gave him trouble. 115 00:07:43,083 --> 00:07:46,223 Yes. Yes. And it's not true. 116 00:07:47,743 --> 00:07:49,643 It wasn't true at all. 117 00:07:53,127 --> 00:07:56,407 When the law enforcement was closing in on him 118 00:07:56,510 --> 00:08:00,890 to arrest him and charge him with statutory rape 119 00:08:00,997 --> 00:08:04,307 he fled to Kansas and married her, 120 00:08:04,414 --> 00:08:06,114 so that she couldn't testify. 121 00:08:06,209 --> 00:08:10,349 They might have been in love. I don't know. 122 00:08:10,455 --> 00:08:13,035 What people are gonna ask, Trena, 123 00:08:13,147 --> 00:08:15,217 that how can we believe her when she says 124 00:08:15,322 --> 00:08:17,262 her husband was a fine man, 125 00:08:17,358 --> 00:08:19,568 if she says she was lying when she said 126 00:08:19,671 --> 00:08:21,191 her husband raped her. 127 00:08:21,293 --> 00:08:24,643 'Cause he was a fine man, and he never did nothing like that. 128 00:08:24,745 --> 00:08:29,125 He never had--He never had to do anything like that in the first place. 129 00:08:29,232 --> 00:08:32,822 He was a nice-looking, well-mannered man, 130 00:08:32,926 --> 00:08:35,266 and he never had to do anything like that. 131 00:08:35,376 --> 00:08:37,166 It's untrue. 132 00:08:43,108 --> 00:08:46,698 Well, I know Ken Rex had two wives. 133 00:08:46,802 --> 00:08:48,462 Alice and Trena. 134 00:08:48,562 --> 00:08:50,632 It was an odd setup. 135 00:08:50,737 --> 00:08:52,527 They lived together. 136 00:08:52,635 --> 00:08:56,255 Their kids got on the same school bus everyday. 137 00:08:57,606 --> 00:08:59,226 My mom was pretty young. 138 00:08:59,331 --> 00:09:02,371 She was about 14 when Dad started seeing her as well. 139 00:09:02,472 --> 00:09:04,062 The relationship between Trena and Mom 140 00:09:04,164 --> 00:09:07,244 was kind of different, I mean almost like sisters 141 00:09:07,339 --> 00:09:08,649 if that makes sense. 142 00:09:08,755 --> 00:09:11,205 I felt they were with Dad because they loved him. 143 00:09:11,309 --> 00:09:14,589 I'm sure there were people who really objected to it. 144 00:09:14,692 --> 00:09:16,802 There's two churches in the town, 145 00:09:16,901 --> 00:09:22,251 so I'm sure the churchy people didn't like it. 146 00:09:22,354 --> 00:09:26,054 None of the townspeople thought that was a good idea 147 00:09:26,151 --> 00:09:28,951 'cause none of us were raised that way. 148 00:09:30,155 --> 00:09:31,915 In fact, it's against the law. 149 00:09:32,019 --> 00:09:35,679 You can't be married to two people at the same time. 150 00:09:36,886 --> 00:09:39,096 Bigamy, or whatever it's called. 151 00:09:40,718 --> 00:09:45,688 But Ken Rex wasn't a man that followed the laws anyway. 152 00:09:45,792 --> 00:09:48,312 He was just totally different from anybody. 153 00:09:48,415 --> 00:09:50,415 He was. He was fearless. 154 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,280 He wasn't afraid of anything. 155 00:09:55,905 --> 00:09:59,735 To be quite honest, the time that we lived with Trena and Mom and everybody, 156 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,530 I don't remember anything bad. 157 00:10:02,636 --> 00:10:05,846 I mean, I remember us kids chasing each other through the house, 158 00:10:05,950 --> 00:10:08,020 swimming in the horse trough outside, 159 00:10:08,124 --> 00:10:10,964 chasing lightning bugs in the field. 160 00:10:11,058 --> 00:10:13,158 Mom and Trena they always cooked. 161 00:10:13,267 --> 00:10:16,127 They made pies and put them in the window. 162 00:10:16,236 --> 00:10:20,096 I've heard Ken Rex was really a great dad. 163 00:10:20,205 --> 00:10:23,235 But at the same time, they've had to have witnessed 164 00:10:23,346 --> 00:10:26,556 abuse to their mothers. 165 00:10:26,660 --> 00:10:29,490 It wasn't like all the time. 166 00:10:29,594 --> 00:10:31,704 But yeah, there was abuse. 167 00:10:33,563 --> 00:10:35,363 We never saw the abuse. 168 00:10:35,462 --> 00:10:37,982 You might see a black eye or something later, 169 00:10:38,085 --> 00:10:39,425 but you didn't know where it came from. 170 00:10:39,535 --> 00:10:41,295 It was never done in front of us. 171 00:10:42,711 --> 00:10:44,991 I don't know if she even knew she was abused. 172 00:10:45,092 --> 00:10:48,752 You know, you grow up, you just think that's the way the world is. 173 00:10:59,279 --> 00:11:00,419 I don't know. 174 00:11:00,521 --> 00:11:03,041 They've always been this way towards my husband. 175 00:11:04,629 --> 00:11:06,039 I do not know. 176 00:11:06,148 --> 00:11:07,458 They've... 177 00:11:07,563 --> 00:11:08,943 I don't know. 178 00:11:12,361 --> 00:11:13,851 You say that 50 or 60 people 179 00:11:13,949 --> 00:11:16,709 saw the gunman who fired at your husband. 180 00:11:16,814 --> 00:11:19,714 Yes, they was all there. 181 00:11:19,817 --> 00:11:23,057 I looked at them to see what they was looking at. 182 00:11:23,165 --> 00:11:26,055 They were just staring and laughing. 183 00:11:26,168 --> 00:11:29,788 The gunman. Who was that? 184 00:12:20,049 --> 00:12:24,709 By the time we got it, see, the investigation people 185 00:12:24,813 --> 00:12:26,333 had stripped the inside. 186 00:12:29,576 --> 00:12:31,986 When it came in, it had two bullet holes 187 00:12:32,096 --> 00:12:33,676 through the side of the box over there 188 00:12:33,787 --> 00:12:38,337 that came up, there was holes in the back of the cab, 189 00:12:38,447 --> 00:12:39,757 the front of the box, 190 00:12:39,862 --> 00:12:42,552 and in through the windshield, through the back glass. 191 00:12:52,150 --> 00:12:54,150 Side glass was blown out. 192 00:12:55,222 --> 00:12:59,712 New seats from the bloodstains. 193 00:12:59,813 --> 00:13:02,683 And then, there was specks of blood 194 00:13:02,782 --> 00:13:07,132 all over the inside, of course, and we had to clean all that up. 195 00:13:09,133 --> 00:13:11,583 Who has a town of 400 people... 196 00:13:14,276 --> 00:13:16,926 and better than 60 of them are gathered 197 00:13:17,037 --> 00:13:18,347 around a pickup truck, 198 00:13:18,452 --> 00:13:20,182 and you've got people shooting a man 199 00:13:20,282 --> 00:13:21,592 sitting inside of it, but yet... 200 00:13:21,697 --> 00:13:24,147 there's not one person that saw it. 201 00:13:28,842 --> 00:13:31,602 First thing I think about when I think about Skidmore is 202 00:13:31,707 --> 00:13:33,607 what happened to my dad and my family, 203 00:13:33,709 --> 00:13:36,819 and pretty much how it transformed our lives. 204 00:13:39,922 --> 00:13:42,202 The day my father was killed, 205 00:13:42,304 --> 00:13:44,204 I was 13 years old. 206 00:13:44,306 --> 00:13:49,096 I remember we was on our way to my dad's house. 207 00:13:49,207 --> 00:13:51,377 The phone call it came, and I seen the reaction 208 00:13:51,485 --> 00:13:52,965 on my mom's face. 209 00:13:55,144 --> 00:13:56,214 I don't know how else to put it, 210 00:13:56,318 --> 00:13:57,908 other than the fact that... 211 00:13:59,597 --> 00:14:00,357 I knew. 212 00:14:13,266 --> 00:14:16,096 I didn't feel it on the ride up there like that, 213 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,510 because I was just not sure what to feel. 214 00:14:20,963 --> 00:14:22,483 But there's a lot of things 215 00:14:22,585 --> 00:14:26,305 that throughout these 37 years that... I forgot. 216 00:14:26,417 --> 00:14:28,557 Maybe I don't wanna remember. You know what I mean? 217 00:14:28,660 --> 00:14:31,560 I put that part of my life behind me for a reason. 218 00:14:37,117 --> 00:14:38,637 The things that you don't ever forget 219 00:14:38,739 --> 00:14:40,399 is that blood running down the streets, 220 00:14:40,500 --> 00:14:42,880 you don't forget the bone, the hair, the flesh. 221 00:14:47,334 --> 00:14:49,654 You'll never, ever, forget seeing 222 00:14:49,750 --> 00:14:51,340 your father's meat and flesh 223 00:14:51,442 --> 00:14:54,032 blown all over the inside of a pickup. 224 00:14:57,275 --> 00:14:58,545 You can't erase that memory. 225 00:14:58,656 --> 00:15:01,246 That is something you'll never get rid of. 226 00:15:06,836 --> 00:15:09,626 I remember us all sitting at the farmhouse, 227 00:15:09,736 --> 00:15:13,736 all the kids, and them all telling us, you know... 228 00:15:13,843 --> 00:15:16,053 he went to heaven. 229 00:15:16,156 --> 00:15:17,946 And I remember standing at the back door 230 00:15:18,055 --> 00:15:20,295 looking up at the sky. 231 00:15:20,402 --> 00:15:22,612 All the kids were crying a lot. 232 00:15:24,613 --> 00:15:29,003 I mean, I was pretty young, so... 233 00:15:29,100 --> 00:15:32,000 that's about all I can remember of it. 234 00:15:33,656 --> 00:15:35,346 You know, I don't blame those kids 235 00:15:35,451 --> 00:15:37,381 for being upset 'cause their dad was shot. 236 00:15:37,488 --> 00:15:43,558 I can't imagine being them, growing up with the McElroy name, 237 00:15:43,666 --> 00:15:46,666 and having to be associated with all that. 238 00:15:50,777 --> 00:15:53,087 Pretty much when you start looking back at things, 239 00:15:53,193 --> 00:15:56,133 you understand where people were created... and why they were created. 240 00:15:56,231 --> 00:15:58,651 I think that Ken Rex McElroy's upbringing 241 00:15:58,750 --> 00:16:01,410 had a lot to do with the man he became. 242 00:16:02,340 --> 00:16:06,030 He was the 13th out of 14 kids. 243 00:16:06,137 --> 00:16:09,657 You're fighting for food, your place at the table, 244 00:16:09,761 --> 00:16:12,421 you're probably fighting for your space in the bed. 245 00:16:12,523 --> 00:16:14,633 You're fighting for everything. 246 00:16:16,113 --> 00:16:18,083 He was uneducated... 247 00:16:18,184 --> 00:16:20,084 back then and some now. 248 00:16:20,186 --> 00:16:22,256 Poor families were looked down on, 249 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,470 felt sorry for, and he didn't like that image. 250 00:16:27,779 --> 00:16:33,199 I think that he refused to feel inferior to anybody. 251 00:16:34,372 --> 00:16:36,342 There's not a lot of money in the house. 252 00:16:36,443 --> 00:16:40,383 Your father is probably pretty abusive. 253 00:16:40,482 --> 00:16:46,252 Not only to you, but to the brothers and sisters that you love. 254 00:16:46,350 --> 00:16:48,080 My mom said that my dad did love animals. 255 00:16:48,179 --> 00:16:51,729 She knew that he had love for animals a long time. 256 00:16:51,838 --> 00:16:55,768 Grandpa kind of proceeded to beat that out of him. 257 00:16:55,876 --> 00:16:58,116 The one story was where he was in the barn, 258 00:16:58,224 --> 00:17:01,124 and Grandpa was wanting him to do something that was 259 00:17:01,227 --> 00:17:04,577 abusive to an animal, and my dad, I guess, 260 00:17:04,678 --> 00:17:08,338 had refused multiple times to do what was being asked, 261 00:17:08,441 --> 00:17:11,311 and so Grandpa would keep punishing him 262 00:17:11,409 --> 00:17:13,829 until he would finally get him to break 263 00:17:13,929 --> 00:17:15,689 and do what he would request. 264 00:17:20,315 --> 00:17:24,075 In a situation like that, it's pretty easy 265 00:17:24,181 --> 00:17:25,671 to grow up to be a bully. 266 00:17:27,011 --> 00:17:29,951 People call him a town bully, that's not right. 267 00:17:30,049 --> 00:17:31,709 He was a rural terrorist. 268 00:17:35,019 --> 00:17:37,679 Do I believe that there was bad things that Dad did? 269 00:17:37,780 --> 00:17:39,470 Yes. 270 00:17:39,575 --> 00:17:41,675 He wasn't a perfect man by far. 271 00:17:42,923 --> 00:17:44,173 But they planned that murder. 272 00:17:44,270 --> 00:17:46,030 They went in, they had a town meeting, 273 00:17:46,134 --> 00:17:47,834 they all sat down together, 274 00:17:47,928 --> 00:17:50,968 they decided that they were gonna do it, and they done it. 275 00:17:57,076 --> 00:17:59,796 I mean, when you've got the law, you've got the judicial system, 276 00:17:59,906 --> 00:18:03,146 everybody in the area, they're related to one another... 277 00:18:04,428 --> 00:18:06,428 everybody covers for everybody. 278 00:18:11,918 --> 00:18:14,778 We're talking to David Baird, B-A-I-R-D, 279 00:18:14,886 --> 00:18:17,226 the Nodaway County prosecutor. 280 00:18:17,337 --> 00:18:20,647 Mr. Baird, how would you describe the situation 281 00:18:20,754 --> 00:18:23,274 with the investigation at this point? 282 00:18:24,655 --> 00:18:26,685 So, when we start talking about the day 283 00:18:26,795 --> 00:18:29,175 of the shooting of Ken Rex McElroy, 284 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:34,600 we have to move out of 2018 and back to 1981. 285 00:18:35,873 --> 00:18:38,603 And I say that because it's a change in technology. 286 00:18:38,703 --> 00:18:42,643 We did not have cellphones, we did not have texting, 287 00:18:42,742 --> 00:18:44,232 we did not have any of the things 288 00:18:44,330 --> 00:18:47,130 that we take for granted today. 289 00:18:51,544 --> 00:18:53,444 Well, we started off with a NOMIS squad, 290 00:18:53,546 --> 00:18:55,376 which started on the Friday of the shooting 291 00:18:55,479 --> 00:18:57,549 which was the 10th of July. 292 00:18:57,653 --> 00:19:00,833 NOMIS is a major case squad 293 00:19:00,932 --> 00:19:04,252 made up of law enforcement throughout northwest Missouri. 294 00:19:04,350 --> 00:19:08,940 When NOMIS is activated, it's activated for a five day period. 295 00:19:09,044 --> 00:19:12,364 It's designed to be short, quick, get in, get out. 296 00:19:12,461 --> 00:19:16,161 We had anywhere from 18 to 25 officers 297 00:19:16,258 --> 00:19:18,258 working nearly around the clock and thereafter 298 00:19:18,364 --> 00:19:19,714 on all day shifts. 299 00:19:19,813 --> 00:19:21,643 How can you have this many people 300 00:19:21,746 --> 00:19:23,886 near where a murder was perpetrated 301 00:19:23,990 --> 00:19:26,510 and not have anyone say that they actually saw 302 00:19:26,613 --> 00:19:28,203 the person who did it. 303 00:19:28,305 --> 00:19:29,995 I can't really answer that. 304 00:19:30,099 --> 00:19:32,759 Has that been one of the stumbling blocks thus far, or what? 305 00:19:32,861 --> 00:19:34,861 That's been a big stumbling block. 306 00:19:37,693 --> 00:19:40,803 The process is that you start with what you know 307 00:19:40,903 --> 00:19:44,423 at the center, and then you see how far it expands out. 308 00:19:48,187 --> 00:19:53,847 The only real witness they had was Mrs. McElroy. 309 00:19:55,987 --> 00:19:58,467 Trena McElroy told reporters she knows 310 00:19:58,576 --> 00:20:00,126 who killed her husband. 311 00:20:00,233 --> 00:20:03,343 But Mrs. McElroy accused authorities of not working 312 00:20:03,443 --> 00:20:04,963 to solve the homicide. 313 00:20:07,033 --> 00:20:08,523 Just tell me what happened, right, 314 00:20:08,621 --> 00:20:11,281 I mean there was tension in the air 315 00:20:11,382 --> 00:20:13,762 in that place, right? 316 00:20:13,867 --> 00:20:16,147 I seen a man go across the street, 317 00:20:16,249 --> 00:20:19,529 go to his pickup, take the gun out, 318 00:20:19,632 --> 00:20:21,082 and I seen him shoot it. 319 00:20:21,185 --> 00:20:22,875 Who was that? 320 00:20:22,980 --> 00:20:24,360 It was Del Clement. 321 00:20:27,950 --> 00:20:32,440 Del Clement was a rancher in the Skidmore area, 322 00:20:32,541 --> 00:20:34,791 lived out west of town. 323 00:20:34,888 --> 00:20:38,688 And as far as why he would have a reason 324 00:20:38,789 --> 00:20:42,449 to kill Ken Rex McElroy, I wouldn't have a clue. 325 00:20:53,562 --> 00:20:56,952 He shot two times while I was in there. 326 00:20:57,048 --> 00:21:00,468 He shot two more times when I was getting out. 327 00:21:00,569 --> 00:21:02,919 And I don't know how many more. 328 00:21:03,020 --> 00:21:05,060 You're absolutely positive it was Del Clement 329 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,510 - who shot your husband? - Yes. I seen him shoot it. 330 00:21:08,612 --> 00:21:10,752 She said she saw Del Clement. 331 00:21:10,855 --> 00:21:16,335 She saw him holding a long gun of some type. 332 00:21:16,447 --> 00:21:19,347 Sure, I believe her. No reason not to. 333 00:21:22,557 --> 00:21:26,937 Trena says she saw who killed Ken. 334 00:21:27,044 --> 00:21:30,704 Trena is a liar. Let's make it plain. 335 00:21:30,806 --> 00:21:35,156 If you knew Skidmore, you knew that there was 336 00:21:35,259 --> 00:21:38,059 lots of trouble between Ken Rex McElroy and Del Clement. 337 00:21:38,158 --> 00:21:40,438 Del Clement, the owner of the D&G bar, 338 00:21:40,540 --> 00:21:43,650 was one of the shooters, according to McElroy's wife. He denies it. 339 00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:48,380 The Clement family, they were pillars of the community. 340 00:21:48,479 --> 00:21:50,929 Del, he was the cowboy. 341 00:21:51,033 --> 00:21:53,733 And he was the big cowboy in this area. 342 00:21:53,829 --> 00:21:56,939 I mean at the rodeos, he was the pickup man. 343 00:21:57,039 --> 00:22:00,279 All that. Good cowboy. 344 00:22:00,388 --> 00:22:04,048 He was the one who walked into the bar that day 345 00:22:04,150 --> 00:22:07,770 and told McElroy to get the hell out of town. 346 00:22:07,878 --> 00:22:09,808 Had there been bad blood between... 347 00:22:09,914 --> 00:22:14,094 Not that I know of. I never did know my husband even talking to the man. 348 00:22:14,194 --> 00:22:15,714 The only thing that we did here 349 00:22:15,817 --> 00:22:18,227 that if my husband went into town, 350 00:22:18,337 --> 00:22:21,437 they would lose $60 a day in their tavern. 351 00:22:21,547 --> 00:22:24,137 Because nobody would come in the bar. 352 00:22:24,239 --> 00:22:27,349 So the suggestion is that Ken Rex McElroy 353 00:22:27,449 --> 00:22:29,559 was bad for the D&G's business. 354 00:22:29,658 --> 00:22:31,728 The rumor was. 355 00:22:31,833 --> 00:22:33,393 The rumor, yeah. The rumor was. 356 00:22:33,490 --> 00:22:35,530 But, he never caused no trouble. 357 00:22:35,630 --> 00:22:38,600 My husband never caused no trouble with nobody. 358 00:22:38,702 --> 00:22:42,502 Don't believe everything you hear in Skidmore. 359 00:22:44,984 --> 00:22:46,264 OK? 360 00:22:46,365 --> 00:22:50,675 One thing people in Nodaway County are free with 361 00:22:50,783 --> 00:22:53,863 is opinions. 362 00:22:55,477 --> 00:23:00,997 Small towns are small towns. 363 00:23:01,103 --> 00:23:04,113 Everybody's got their thought of how it happened, 364 00:23:04,210 --> 00:23:06,040 why it happened, who did it. 365 00:23:07,386 --> 00:23:09,346 How do you tell the truth? 366 00:23:09,457 --> 00:23:12,047 How do you find the truth? 367 00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:14,459 You've gotta look at it logically 368 00:23:14,565 --> 00:23:18,975 because there's so many emotions involved... 369 00:23:19,087 --> 00:23:21,157 in anything like this. 370 00:23:21,261 --> 00:23:28,171 She was a very staunch supporter of Ken Rex McElroy. 371 00:23:29,338 --> 00:23:31,688 She rode around in the trucks. 372 00:23:32,583 --> 00:23:35,003 Had guns in her hand. 373 00:23:35,103 --> 00:23:39,663 Trena was very devoted... in a twisted way. 374 00:23:41,489 --> 00:23:44,149 They were his backups, you know a lot of time 375 00:23:44,250 --> 00:23:46,250 they went to a bar, they'd sit outside 376 00:23:46,355 --> 00:23:50,075 with their shotguns, you know, in case there was trouble. 377 00:23:53,017 --> 00:23:55,157 It'd be like Bonnie and Clyde. 378 00:23:57,401 --> 00:24:01,161 It's her word against Del Clement's, I guess. 379 00:24:12,485 --> 00:24:13,755 Skidmore residents deny 380 00:24:13,866 --> 00:24:15,486 a vigilante group killed McElroy. 381 00:24:15,592 --> 00:24:18,282 One resident said he hopes the case is solved soon 382 00:24:18,387 --> 00:24:20,767 so the town can return to a normal life. 383 00:24:20,873 --> 00:24:22,773 Except for McElroy's wife, 384 00:24:22,875 --> 00:24:24,215 no one has come forward 385 00:24:24,324 --> 00:24:26,054 to point out a suspect in his killing. 386 00:24:26,154 --> 00:24:27,604 Authorities believe that 387 00:24:27,707 --> 00:24:29,427 half of the town's citizens saw it, 388 00:24:29,537 --> 00:24:32,817 but no one will come forward. 389 00:24:32,919 --> 00:24:37,029 I did not anticipate that we would not have 390 00:24:37,130 --> 00:24:39,240 witnesses, testimony, and evidence 391 00:24:39,339 --> 00:24:41,889 within a relatively short period of time. 392 00:24:46,036 --> 00:24:49,696 You know, it's frustrating for a prosecutor, it's frustrating for the officers, 393 00:24:49,798 --> 00:24:52,798 but that's, you know, the situation that we're in now. 394 00:24:54,665 --> 00:24:57,185 There's a bit of pressure on law enforcement 395 00:24:57,288 --> 00:25:00,428 whenever a crime goes unsolved. 396 00:25:00,533 --> 00:25:04,473 There's a bit of pressure. 397 00:25:04,572 --> 00:25:08,232 Understand that the prosecutor doesn't really 398 00:25:08,334 --> 00:25:11,104 have anything to do with the investigation. 399 00:25:11,199 --> 00:25:13,059 The investigation is done by law enforcement. 400 00:25:13,166 --> 00:25:17,096 My reports come from the state investigation, 401 00:25:17,205 --> 00:25:20,795 which in this case was NOMIS and the sheriff's department. 402 00:25:23,487 --> 00:25:26,107 Ken McElroy was shot and killed last Friday 403 00:25:26,214 --> 00:25:28,294 over in Skidmore Missouri, and since that time 404 00:25:28,388 --> 00:25:31,428 I know the Northwest Missouri Major Case Squad has been called in. 405 00:25:31,530 --> 00:25:35,290 What has your investigation been focusing on? 406 00:25:35,395 --> 00:25:38,085 I can't really comment on that at this time. 407 00:25:38,191 --> 00:25:43,061 NOMIS called almost immediately for a coroner's inquest. 408 00:25:43,162 --> 00:25:46,612 Coroner's inquests are sort of a mini grand jury. 409 00:25:46,717 --> 00:25:49,167 It's six people that are in panel, 410 00:25:49,271 --> 00:25:52,001 they hear testimony, and their job 411 00:25:52,102 --> 00:25:55,002 is to determine whether or not a crime has been committed. 412 00:25:55,105 --> 00:25:58,865 And the statute says that if they come back and say, 413 00:25:58,971 --> 00:26:01,531 "We find this was by criminal means", 414 00:26:01,629 --> 00:26:03,699 and name a specific individual, 415 00:26:03,803 --> 00:26:06,433 that, in effect, becomes an indictment 416 00:26:06,530 --> 00:26:09,220 based upon their findings. 417 00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:14,880 It was a way for independent individuals 418 00:26:14,987 --> 00:26:18,267 unrelated to the case to hear the testimony 419 00:26:18,369 --> 00:26:22,859 of Mrs. McElroy, to determine if they would believe 420 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,310 her statement and her testimony 421 00:26:25,411 --> 00:26:29,831 as to this is how the incident occurred. 422 00:26:29,933 --> 00:26:32,943 I'm not sure you could find a true impartial jury 423 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:35,899 in Skidmore, Missouri. 424 00:26:36,008 --> 00:26:39,528 - Were you in town the day of the shooting? -Yes. 425 00:26:39,632 --> 00:26:41,052 Where were you? 426 00:26:41,151 --> 00:26:43,711 Just a block, the little white house on the corner, 427 00:26:43,809 --> 00:26:46,119 but I didn't hear, see, or anything, 428 00:26:46,225 --> 00:26:48,845 'cause I was working out in the garden, 429 00:26:48,952 --> 00:26:51,232 and I just didn't have any care. 430 00:26:53,439 --> 00:26:55,989 People's afraid to say what they seen 431 00:26:56,097 --> 00:26:58,337 because they're afraid what's gonna happen to them 432 00:26:58,444 --> 00:26:59,934 and their family. 433 00:27:04,346 --> 00:27:06,626 Counselor, who shot him? 434 00:27:06,728 --> 00:27:09,388 His wife says that Mr. Clement. 435 00:27:09,489 --> 00:27:10,839 Del Clement shot him. 436 00:27:11,906 --> 00:27:14,936 Now, the prosecuting attorney has said 437 00:27:15,047 --> 00:27:18,707 well it seems that, and I understand this is the allegation, 438 00:27:18,809 --> 00:27:23,259 that probably he was shot by more than one person. 439 00:27:23,365 --> 00:27:25,055 And they've tried to make something of that, 440 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,200 as far as I read in the news media, 441 00:27:27,300 --> 00:27:31,100 Mrs. McElroy says that could well be. 442 00:27:31,201 --> 00:27:33,441 But she said I saw one of the people 443 00:27:33,548 --> 00:27:36,168 who shot my husband. 444 00:27:36,275 --> 00:27:38,475 She went to the coroner's inquest and... 445 00:27:38,587 --> 00:27:41,277 and she testified that she saw Del Clement 446 00:27:41,383 --> 00:27:47,363 grab a high powered rifle out of his pickup truck 447 00:27:47,458 --> 00:27:50,458 and fire the shots that killed her husband. 448 00:27:55,087 --> 00:27:57,157 I'm gonna play defense now. 449 00:27:57,261 --> 00:28:00,401 He had a motive. So did 30 other people. 450 00:28:01,438 --> 00:28:03,268 Who's your eyewitness? 451 00:28:03,371 --> 00:28:04,481 Trena McElroy. 452 00:28:05,994 --> 00:28:07,894 Now, the truth is... 453 00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:18,080 The truth is that, um, 454 00:28:18,179 --> 00:28:23,179 at one point we had another witness who we were prepared 455 00:28:23,287 --> 00:28:25,457 to take in front of the grand jury 456 00:28:25,565 --> 00:28:28,905 who then got an attorney, recanted, and wouldn't testify. 457 00:28:29,017 --> 00:28:33,397 I can't put on that he previously told the officer 458 00:28:33,504 --> 00:28:34,854 here's who it was. 459 00:28:37,336 --> 00:28:40,236 One person was gonna go up to testify. 460 00:28:40,339 --> 00:28:45,209 And I heard that when he went up to testify, uh, 461 00:28:45,309 --> 00:28:47,279 the prosecutor was gonna put him in a room 462 00:28:47,380 --> 00:28:48,830 to put down what he said, 463 00:28:48,934 --> 00:28:51,834 well when he went back, his fence was cut and his cattle was took. 464 00:28:51,937 --> 00:28:55,657 They was gone. They had drove them out of the lot. 465 00:28:55,768 --> 00:28:57,938 So now, I'm back to Trena. 466 00:28:58,046 --> 00:29:01,386 Trena McElroy says she saw who did it. 467 00:29:02,948 --> 00:29:04,288 Do you believe her? 468 00:29:07,124 --> 00:29:09,994 I don't. No, I don't believe her. 469 00:29:11,404 --> 00:29:15,374 Because I think if she actually saw who done it, 470 00:29:15,477 --> 00:29:20,787 uh... I think probably there would have been something done about it. 471 00:29:30,147 --> 00:29:33,187 While the investigation into the murder 472 00:29:33,288 --> 00:29:36,188 of Ken Rex McElroy was going on, 473 00:29:36,291 --> 00:29:39,331 Trena and her kids disappeared. 474 00:29:39,432 --> 00:29:43,952 The whole McElroy family went into hiding. 475 00:29:44,058 --> 00:29:45,648 Maybe they thought they were next, 476 00:29:45,749 --> 00:29:47,989 maybe they felt their lives were in danger. 477 00:29:48,096 --> 00:29:49,366 Who knows? 478 00:29:50,961 --> 00:29:52,551 Right after the incident, you know, 479 00:29:52,652 --> 00:29:55,692 there was a time that people would drive by at night 480 00:29:55,794 --> 00:29:57,384 and they'd shoot into the house. 481 00:30:03,008 --> 00:30:07,668 At 13 years old, you know, that's not something you're used to growing up with. 482 00:30:07,771 --> 00:30:09,951 It's like a war zone in a small town. 483 00:30:10,049 --> 00:30:11,459 Everybody was meeting at the house, 484 00:30:11,568 --> 00:30:14,468 and us kids were sitting outside by the tree, 485 00:30:14,571 --> 00:30:17,471 and a Jeep drove by and fired a gun. 486 00:30:18,437 --> 00:30:20,577 And my sister yelled, "Oh, my God!" 487 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,720 And the bullet had hit right above my head. 488 00:30:23,822 --> 00:30:25,752 They attempted to shoot at me and my little brother, 489 00:30:25,858 --> 00:30:30,408 and the bullet... I mean literally grazed my brother's ear. 490 00:30:30,518 --> 00:30:32,658 You're out in the middle of nowhere, 491 00:30:32,761 --> 00:30:34,281 and they try to kill us. 492 00:30:34,384 --> 00:30:38,154 The emotion was to just pack up and get the hell out. 493 00:30:44,739 --> 00:30:48,049 Mr. Baird, it must be pretty frustrating for a prosecutor 494 00:30:48,156 --> 00:30:53,816 to have a murder case in which there's anywhere from 50 to 70 witnesses, 495 00:30:53,921 --> 00:30:55,891 and you don't make a case. 496 00:30:55,992 --> 00:31:02,582 As a prosecutor, my role is to be fair and just to everyone, 497 00:31:02,688 --> 00:31:06,308 it was my estimation that we could not prove 498 00:31:06,416 --> 00:31:10,826 and convince 12 jurors beyond a reasonable doubt 499 00:31:10,938 --> 00:31:16,218 that a particular defendant committed this crime. 500 00:31:16,322 --> 00:31:19,052 But it's always possible I'm wrong. 501 00:31:20,568 --> 00:31:25,468 It's always possible that jurors would disagree, 502 00:31:25,573 --> 00:31:28,203 and would in fact, make the determination 503 00:31:28,300 --> 00:31:31,540 that this evidence is sufficient. 504 00:31:31,648 --> 00:31:35,648 And so one of the ways you can do that 505 00:31:35,755 --> 00:31:38,065 is by using a grand jury. 506 00:31:40,795 --> 00:31:42,725 In a little town in northwest Missouri, 507 00:31:42,831 --> 00:31:45,321 a grand jury will meet tomorrow, and is expected 508 00:31:45,420 --> 00:31:47,110 to consider an unusual murder case. 509 00:31:47,215 --> 00:31:49,935 The victim's widow says she can identify the killer, 510 00:31:50,046 --> 00:31:51,526 but at least some people are asking 511 00:31:51,633 --> 00:31:54,433 if it isn't really a case against an entire town. 512 00:32:01,540 --> 00:32:03,680 Normally, you don't have a grand jury 513 00:32:03,783 --> 00:32:06,173 in a county of this size. 514 00:32:06,269 --> 00:32:08,099 In all the years that I was prosecutor, 515 00:32:08,202 --> 00:32:10,482 the only time I had the grand jury was 516 00:32:10,583 --> 00:32:13,313 for the Ken Rex McElroy investigation. 517 00:32:13,414 --> 00:32:15,804 A grand jury is being convened, 518 00:32:15,899 --> 00:32:18,799 but unless the town breaks its code of silence, 519 00:32:18,902 --> 00:32:20,632 an indictment isn't likely. 520 00:32:20,731 --> 00:32:23,531 A statesman once said, "You can't indict a people." 521 00:32:23,631 --> 00:32:26,361 Well, you can't indict a whole town either. 522 00:32:39,474 --> 00:32:43,694 The problem with any witness in any case 523 00:32:43,789 --> 00:32:47,519 is making sure that that witness' testimony 524 00:32:47,620 --> 00:32:49,310 is believable to a jury. 525 00:32:49,415 --> 00:32:54,515 Based upon the evidence I had, I had no reason to disbelieve her. 526 00:32:54,627 --> 00:33:01,047 Why did the grand jury not believe Mrs. McElroy? 527 00:33:01,151 --> 00:33:03,051 I do not have an answer. 528 00:33:05,086 --> 00:33:08,116 Could your husband ever get a fair trial in that county? 529 00:33:08,227 --> 00:33:12,577 No. No, there's too much prejudice. 530 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,480 Too many talk, everybody just talked. 531 00:33:16,580 --> 00:33:19,140 And a lot of them didn't know my husband at all. 532 00:33:19,238 --> 00:33:20,578 They just heard rumors and stuff. 533 00:33:20,688 --> 00:33:22,238 They had a grand jury, 534 00:33:22,345 --> 00:33:26,685 and it sat for a long time. 535 00:33:27,729 --> 00:33:29,039 Grand jury on what? 536 00:33:29,145 --> 00:33:31,285 On the... into the... 537 00:33:31,388 --> 00:33:33,838 Looking into the murder of your husband. 538 00:33:33,942 --> 00:33:35,742 Came up with nothing. 539 00:33:35,841 --> 00:33:38,711 Oh, there's a lot of people that seen it. 540 00:33:41,571 --> 00:33:44,161 You will probably not be surprised to learn 541 00:33:44,263 --> 00:33:47,233 that so far no one's been charged with the murder 542 00:33:47,335 --> 00:33:49,405 of Ken Rex McElroy. 543 00:33:49,510 --> 00:33:54,070 This grand jury decided that there wasn't enough evidence 544 00:33:54,170 --> 00:33:57,410 to indict anyone. 545 00:33:57,518 --> 00:34:01,968 The coroner's inquest was an exercise in futility. 546 00:34:02,074 --> 00:34:07,014 Local investigations have so far come up with zero. 547 00:34:07,114 --> 00:34:11,674 A person, or persons, unknown, shot and killed 548 00:34:11,773 --> 00:34:13,573 Ken Rex McElroy. 549 00:34:14,776 --> 00:34:17,016 Really? 550 00:34:17,124 --> 00:34:18,954 Was that the determination? 551 00:34:19,057 --> 00:34:25,197 They were no doubt told by Trena who pulled the trigger. 552 00:34:25,304 --> 00:34:27,174 So for them to come up that determination 553 00:34:27,272 --> 00:34:29,552 is... is... it's a bit ridiculous. 554 00:34:29,653 --> 00:34:32,553 McElroy's wife, Trena, says she knows 555 00:34:32,656 --> 00:34:35,446 who killed her husband, but police refuse to act. 556 00:34:35,556 --> 00:34:40,146 Why haven't charges then been filed against at least that suspect? 557 00:34:40,250 --> 00:34:42,800 Well, homicide is a very serious crime, 558 00:34:42,908 --> 00:34:45,948 and carries a very heavy penalty... 559 00:34:46,049 --> 00:34:48,259 and we need time for a thorough investigation 560 00:34:48,362 --> 00:34:50,362 before charges will be filed. 561 00:34:50,467 --> 00:34:52,847 There has been a conspiracy of silence. 562 00:34:52,952 --> 00:34:55,892 You cannot tell me that 40 to 70 people 563 00:34:55,990 --> 00:35:00,130 standing on the sidewalk, and a man is in his truck, 564 00:35:00,236 --> 00:35:02,266 and he's shot four times in the head, 565 00:35:02,376 --> 00:35:04,756 that somebody did not see who shot him, 566 00:35:04,861 --> 00:35:06,211 and nobody has come forward. 567 00:35:06,311 --> 00:35:08,141 Now, I've had some people who tell me, 568 00:35:08,244 --> 00:35:09,904 "I know who did it, but I'm afraid. 569 00:35:10,004 --> 00:35:12,874 What would happen to me if I tell you 570 00:35:12,972 --> 00:35:14,912 who shot Mr. McElroy?" 571 00:35:15,009 --> 00:35:18,079 I can tell you, but I don't want to go under oath 572 00:35:18,185 --> 00:35:20,595 or go before a grand jury. 573 00:35:21,464 --> 00:35:22,744 These people freeze up. 574 00:35:22,844 --> 00:35:26,054 They're not going to say anything. 575 00:35:26,158 --> 00:35:30,268 It's quite a conspiracy to buy into. 576 00:35:30,369 --> 00:35:32,579 I don't believe it for a second. 577 00:35:32,682 --> 00:35:34,372 The thing of it is, 578 00:35:34,477 --> 00:35:38,307 we don't know what happened in that grand jury courtroom. 579 00:35:38,412 --> 00:35:40,552 None of us were there. 580 00:35:40,655 --> 00:35:41,925 Nobody knows what's been asked, 581 00:35:42,036 --> 00:35:45,896 nobody knows what's been talked about... at all. 582 00:35:46,005 --> 00:35:47,725 They're totally secret. 583 00:35:53,634 --> 00:35:55,504 A lot of people told me in the town 584 00:35:55,601 --> 00:35:58,951 that they really don't care if the man who shot, 585 00:35:59,053 --> 00:36:02,473 or the people who shot McElroy, are ever caught. 586 00:36:02,574 --> 00:36:06,234 Do you think that they'll get their wish? 587 00:36:06,336 --> 00:36:10,886 Generally said, "no witness, no case". 588 00:36:10,996 --> 00:36:17,446 And in fact whoever, or how many ever shot him, 589 00:36:17,554 --> 00:36:21,184 they're free today on the same principle he lived by: 590 00:36:21,282 --> 00:36:22,842 "No witness, no case." 591 00:36:38,265 --> 00:36:41,265 The townspeople have returned to their normal way of life again 592 00:36:41,371 --> 00:36:43,271 after Ken McElroy's death. 593 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,449 A death some say has erased the fear 594 00:36:46,549 --> 00:36:49,759 that reigned while McElroy lived. 595 00:36:49,862 --> 00:36:53,732 After Ken was shot, it was almost as if 596 00:36:53,832 --> 00:36:58,082 Skidmore was trying to forget the legacy 597 00:36:58,181 --> 00:36:59,771 that he gave to that town. 598 00:36:59,872 --> 00:37:01,462 Skidmore killed its bully, 599 00:37:01,564 --> 00:37:03,644 and most are happy he's dead, 600 00:37:03,738 --> 00:37:06,288 but the town is uncomfortable with how it was done, 601 00:37:06,396 --> 00:37:08,986 and the notoriety that followed. 602 00:37:09,088 --> 00:37:12,198 It's over and done with. We'd like to start forgetting about it. 603 00:37:12,299 --> 00:37:16,509 I hope and pray that they never find out who did it... 604 00:37:16,613 --> 00:37:19,033 because I think the fellow got what he deserved. 605 00:37:22,274 --> 00:37:26,004 I'm very sympathetic to those people. 606 00:37:26,105 --> 00:37:28,655 The wheels of justice turned too slow 607 00:37:28,763 --> 00:37:30,773 or weren't turning at all. 608 00:37:32,284 --> 00:37:33,984 I'm very sympathetic to the fact 609 00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:37,149 that they took justice into their own hands, 610 00:37:37,255 --> 00:37:38,975 vigilante style, 611 00:37:39,084 --> 00:37:41,054 and got rid of the problem. 612 00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:45,190 They did what had to be done. 613 00:37:45,297 --> 00:37:49,337 I appreciate that. I respect that. 614 00:37:49,439 --> 00:37:52,169 I respect that kind of courage. 615 00:37:52,270 --> 00:37:54,170 Was it good? No. 616 00:37:54,272 --> 00:37:55,832 Was it justified? 617 00:37:55,928 --> 00:37:58,968 Only because there was no justice. 618 00:38:03,350 --> 00:38:05,970 A lot of people in Skidmore feel that-- 619 00:38:06,076 --> 00:38:10,556 that whoever... whoever killed him was justified, 620 00:38:10,667 --> 00:38:12,427 that since the law couldn't protect them 621 00:38:12,531 --> 00:38:15,331 they had to take the law into their own hands. 622 00:38:15,431 --> 00:38:17,471 I don't think that anyone is ever justified 623 00:38:17,571 --> 00:38:19,441 in taking the law into their hands. 624 00:38:19,538 --> 00:38:21,128 That's why we have laws. 625 00:38:21,229 --> 00:38:22,369 The same laws which protect 626 00:38:22,472 --> 00:38:24,752 the citizens of the United States, 627 00:38:24,854 --> 00:38:27,894 anyone including the laws which would protect Mr. McElroy. 628 00:38:27,995 --> 00:38:30,615 And at this point, you know, it remains an active case 629 00:38:30,722 --> 00:38:32,622 and will be handled as such. 630 00:38:32,724 --> 00:38:36,904 My personal opinion is anytime that there is a crime 631 00:38:37,004 --> 00:38:40,214 for which a person is not held accountable, 632 00:38:40,318 --> 00:38:42,978 then justice was not done. 633 00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:44,529 Do you think there is 634 00:38:44,632 --> 00:38:46,772 a kind of conspiracy of silence? 635 00:38:48,912 --> 00:38:52,192 I believe without any shadow of a doubt that there was a major cover-up here. 636 00:38:52,295 --> 00:38:55,985 Not only by law enforcement, but of all the people in that town. 637 00:38:57,576 --> 00:38:59,986 When he got killed and they got away with it, 638 00:39:00,096 --> 00:39:02,576 at that point, they felt protected. 639 00:39:02,685 --> 00:39:05,715 They felt that, you know what, there ain't a whole lot we can't do here, 640 00:39:05,826 --> 00:39:09,546 that we're not gonna be able to get away with. 641 00:39:09,657 --> 00:39:12,487 I get a little angry sometimes in this whole scenario, 642 00:39:12,591 --> 00:39:14,181 because that's how it was done. 643 00:39:14,282 --> 00:39:16,532 I know the sheriff and them were involved. 644 00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:19,560 I don't care what anyone has to say, 645 00:39:19,667 --> 00:39:20,767 whether it ever comes to light. 646 00:39:20,875 --> 00:39:22,945 I know they were involved. 647 00:39:23,050 --> 00:39:24,600 I believe that it was a conspiracy, 648 00:39:24,707 --> 00:39:27,227 I mean, till they hold to this day, 649 00:39:27,330 --> 00:39:29,300 and they're gonna keep holding it 650 00:39:29,401 --> 00:39:31,751 until the day they die. 651 00:39:31,852 --> 00:39:34,132 So, if this is a town divided between those 652 00:39:34,233 --> 00:39:38,103 who despised McElroy, and those who disapprove of murder, 653 00:39:38,203 --> 00:39:41,663 it is also a town united by fear on both sides. 654 00:39:41,758 --> 00:39:46,068 A fear that is holding truth hostage. 655 00:39:46,176 --> 00:39:50,796 Do you feel that whoever shot your husband is gonna be charged with murder? 656 00:39:53,494 --> 00:39:57,914 They're not gonna do anything in that county... to him. 657 00:40:06,852 --> 00:40:08,612 Yes. 658 00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:10,720 Today. 659 00:40:20,003 --> 00:40:22,013 What is the significance, if any, 660 00:40:22,109 --> 00:40:24,769 of the FBI's entrance into the case? 661 00:40:25,630 --> 00:40:27,110 Really, I don't know. 662 00:40:27,217 --> 00:40:32,077 I know that Mrs. McElroy, by and through her attorney, 663 00:40:32,188 --> 00:40:37,878 contacted the FBI in regards to allegations 664 00:40:37,987 --> 00:40:40,777 that we were not fully investigating. 665 00:40:40,886 --> 00:40:45,716 I know that in response to that, the FBI is making routine checks into it, 666 00:40:45,822 --> 00:40:51,242 and that is about the entirety of my understanding of their investigation. 667 00:40:51,345 --> 00:40:53,345 Trena McElroy named her husband's shooter, 668 00:40:53,451 --> 00:40:55,801 but neither a coroner's jury, nor a grand jury, 669 00:40:55,901 --> 00:40:58,081 decided there's enough evidence to file charges. 670 00:40:58,179 --> 00:41:00,389 Now, the FBI is getting involved. 671 00:41:00,492 --> 00:41:03,082 I mean, they're all in it together. 672 00:41:03,184 --> 00:41:06,394 It was set up, and they're all gonna stick together. 673 00:41:06,498 --> 00:41:09,498 I mean, every one of them seen it. 674 00:41:11,434 --> 00:41:15,474 The FBI became involved when Gene McFadin 675 00:41:15,576 --> 00:41:19,166 who represented McElroy, and his wife Trena, 676 00:41:19,269 --> 00:41:21,999 contacted the FBI. 677 00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:23,580 When the federal government gets involved 678 00:41:23,688 --> 00:41:26,998 it becomes, for some people, more serious. 679 00:41:27,105 --> 00:41:29,105 Suddenly having the federal government present 680 00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:33,630 inquiring through the FBI, I'm sure had an impact on the community. 681 00:41:35,182 --> 00:41:37,462 FBI agents came to town dressed like farmers. 682 00:41:37,564 --> 00:41:40,674 And now few will talk to outsiders at all. 683 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,950 My strategy was to subpoena the individuals 684 00:41:45,054 --> 00:41:48,614 who were present when McElroy was killed. 685 00:41:49,472 --> 00:41:51,302 The FBI then sent out agents, 686 00:41:51,405 --> 00:41:52,745 maybe as many as 10, 687 00:41:52,855 --> 00:41:55,405 to subpoena the people who were present 688 00:41:55,513 --> 00:41:58,273 during the murder of McElroy. 689 00:41:58,377 --> 00:42:00,757 Of course, they were obligated to respond to the subpoena 690 00:42:00,863 --> 00:42:02,523 by being present. 691 00:42:04,245 --> 00:42:08,385 And they were asked, each of them, what they observed 692 00:42:08,491 --> 00:42:10,601 when McElroy was killed. 693 00:42:12,288 --> 00:42:13,838 And they told us what they saw. 694 00:42:15,256 --> 00:42:18,426 The fear has been replaced by a new anxiety. 695 00:42:18,536 --> 00:42:20,116 There could be federal indictments, 696 00:42:20,227 --> 00:42:22,057 and some of the town's leading citizens 697 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,960 could face a long and costly trial. 54699

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