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- Ready?
- Thank you. Action.
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Action!
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Oh, I�thought he was gonna say
his part first.
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- You say it.
- All right.
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Say it.
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Gee, I don't�know,
I have school tomo... No, wait.
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Absolutely dreadful actress.
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But why would Orson
wanna do that to himself?
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She's kind of a Cybill Shepherd take-off.
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Was she?
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Oh, okay.
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Clearly Orson was giving Peter
a hard time about his�relationship
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with Cybill Shepherd
after Last Picture Show.
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Cybill was�19, I think,
when Peter discovered her.
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With Orson, you never quite know
what is gonna happen.
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Peter said, "Orson's making fun of me
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and things�I've said to Cybill."
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- Tomorrow's Sunday, Mavis.
- Pardon?
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You'll be�flying down with us to Mexico.
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Gee, I don't�know,
I have school on Monday.
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I'll, uh, write a note to your teacher.
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That's it.
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I was supposedly, like, his girlfriend
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and I was really young,
and he was very old.
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He's like, "Mavis! Mavis! Come here!"
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It was... It was very strange.
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Mother seems�to think a little young blood
would be good for us.
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- You could be�right at that.
- Well, she's always right.
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Excuse me, fellas,
I think we have a confrontation.
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- Once again. John?
- Yeah.
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You took a look back at the girl
after "She's always right."
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Excuse me, fellas,
I think we have ourselves a confrontation.
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In this story, Hannaford takes away
this blond girl from�Peter's character
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who�s kind of a crude, sexual power play.
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We like your�little friend.
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"We like your little friend."
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She's mine.
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- Cut.
- Again.
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Again.
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He thrived�on friction.
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So, the old�man can still score.
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How he scores and who he scores with,
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now that, my friend, gets us
into some very interesting country.
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I think Orson was fascinated
by this macho thing.
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It's part of where the concept
of The Other Side of the Wind
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was even born.
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The whole mystique of the, uh...
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the he-man.
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This picture we're gonna make
is against he-men.
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The initial conception
of The Other Side of the Wind,
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that it was gonna be
a little bit of a satire of�an obsessively
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masculine character, like Hemingway.
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So, it's no coincidence this film
takes place July 2nd,
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the date of Hemingway's death.
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Hemingway?
That, uh,�left hook of his was overrated.
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And the character displayed certain
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tendencies of, perhaps,
latent homosexuality.
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He wants to fuck him. He wants to fuck
his leading man. Don't you see that?
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Don't you see that there in his movies?
And he can't acknowledge that.
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Orson was very comfortable
with himself and his feminine side.
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But he could fall
right into a guy-guy role.
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I think Orson was always kind
of interested in that duality in men.
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You've had so much written about you,
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and you were so far ahead of your time
in achievement.
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Has your success made you less willing
to challenge than you were in those times?
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Oh, I think not at all.
I think I'm much more of a...
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of a renegade than I was then.
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- In what way?
- Oh, in about every way.
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The best scene I've seen
in The Other Side of the Wind
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is the sex scene in the car,
from the film within the film...
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which is seven minutes long
in the version Welles edited.
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Yes, it's long, long.
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Everybody talks about the sexy car scene.
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I remember it�having
quite an impression on me.
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I remember being in my mid-teens,
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and having the screening of this footage.
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The footage of Oja was remarkably erotic.
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Of her in a car
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uh, with a hose being poured over the car,
creating all these droplets and the...
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the windshield wipers going.
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The car never moved,
and they had a couple of guys with hoses.
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Hundreds of feet of garden hoses.
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We robbed water from all of his neighbors.
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I did all the little things on set.
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And Orson yelled down to me, "Hey kid,
pick up that hose and make rain."
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What?
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One of our paraplegic friends
was pushed down the road,
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holding two�lights in his hands,
impersonating car in a motion.
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The movie inside the movie,
it's about�love, about sex, about�desire.
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It's incredibly hot.
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And it's unlike anything he'd ever done.
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His earlier films were rather prudish
in their�treatment of sexuality.
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He was, he called himself prudish.
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And he didn't think films�needed nudity.
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Come, Desdemona.
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I have but an hour of love
to spend with thee.
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Orson felt that explicit sexuality
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was distracting from the art
in the narrative.
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He said, "It just shows
a lack of imagination."
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He never�talked about sex.
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That's why Oja such a shock.
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I think the things I contributed
to his creativity was the eroticism.
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I introduced�the sex.
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I ask Orson,
"How do you want me to do this?"
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"Well," he said, "any way
you feel like it. It's�your story."
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So, I thought what kind of female
I should be.
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So, I�decided to be a praying mantis.
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Wow, my�word!
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She sat on his lap and made love to him
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while her�character's boyfriend
was driving the car.
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Her chain beating against her breasts.
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He ask Oja, �Give animal look.�
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I still remember the fantastic color,
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the rhythm, the pulsing rhythm. It�s like
a cinematic equivalent of an orgasm.
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But he shot that over,
like, a three-year period.
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He shot part of it in his driveway
in Los Angeles, and then
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he shot more�of it
in his backyard in France.
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At one moment,
it's Gary Graver with false hair,
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playing the young guy.
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The film is�an exploration
of Orson's desire.
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The writer Peter Bartel
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described The Other Side of the Wind as
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"a desperate�venture
shared by desperate men."
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As production lagged on,
the financiers and the crew
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became restless.
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Gary would�be pleading with Orson,
"I gotta eat."
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Once in a�while, Gary would
actually have to work to make money.
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Gary would�take other jobs in B movies,
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just so that he could afford
to work for Orson.
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He's the only guy I know who
worked with Orson Welles and Ed Wood.
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Gary shot this film,�One Million AC/DC.
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It was the�world's first
bisexual dinosaur movie.
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What's that?
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Don't worry,�it can't eat us in here.
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It�s not what Gary wanted to have
as his trademark in his career.
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The Other Side of the Wind was the film.
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This was gonna be his claim to fame.
This is the one that would
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take him to�new heights.
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Orson said, "Gary, if you get a job
on another movie, you come to me.
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If I need you, you can't do it."
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Ultimately, I think he found the
easiest path towards making all this work
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was to do�adult films.
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Gary did a�lot of porn.
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Hundred or so films that he never
wanted to have his name associated with,
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he worked�under an assumed name.
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Akdov Telmig.
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That's "vodka gimlet" spelled backwards.
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He was shooting these
semi-porn movies
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and he asked me if I wanted to be a part
of this one called 3 A.M.
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I think that�was...
it had pornographic elements to it.
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And Orson knew that�this was important
to Gary,�to get this movie done,
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so he wanted to help him.
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He came over and he was at Gary's house,
and they cut it together.
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And Orson ended up
cutting the shower scene, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Excuse me.
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- Oh!
- Yeah, it's�totally true.
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Orson was very decisive. He was very like,
"Okay, we need to cut here, we go�there."
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There was no pharumphing around.
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It was like,�"I need to get this
off the docket,
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so I can get Gary back to work�again."
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Gary's work never ended.
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He got worn�down on it, for sure.
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I think there were two occasions
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that he was hospitalized for exhaustion.
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He just�physically was collapsing.
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Now, Gary. Gary?
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- You all right, Gary?
- You feel all right?
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Yeah, I'm all right.
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I think he�might have thrown
the towel in with any other director.
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And he would try. He would tell Orson,
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"I can't." But somehow,
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Orson would always find a way
to get him to change his mind.
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The costs were tremendous.
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You don't go�through
multiple divorces unscathed.
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Orson would push you
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to the point where you said,
"Fuck you, fat man,
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and take that legend
and shove it where the sun don't shine."
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And just at that moment,
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where he could feel
that he had gone too far,
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he would wrap his arm around you
and basically say,
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"Have I told you what�a great job
you've been doing for me lately?"
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There's no doubt about it that he
seemed to be doing everything he could
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to alienate as many people as possible.
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But why? What is all that about?
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It's strange.
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I fear dying
before I have accomplished something
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that I'm...
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not ashamed of,�that I'm even
a little proud of. I'm afraid...
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that I will be taken away
before I have justified
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the luck and joy that I've had.
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Relax totally.
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Relax your face, sad, empty.
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Empty. Now�say, "Many happy returns,"
so I hardly hear you.
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Many happy�returns.
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You pronounced it too carefully.
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Many happy�returns.
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There is a...
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inconclusiveness, or a lack of definition
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that is basic to this effort of Orson's.
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You know, was it some sort
of endless odyssey?
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We'll never know.
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Orson knew what he wanted. He�knew.
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- Take 21.
- Action.
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What happened to the lights?
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But, unless you have a brain
that works like that,
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how does�anyone else know?
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It was this circus of scattered souls.
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We were totally out of reality.
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What was happening on the set
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was so much like what was happening
in the movie.
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It was like, "Wait a minute.
That's Orson.
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Is it? Orson, is that you?"
"No, that's John Huston. It's not me."
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John didn't know what Orson was doing.
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He said,�"I just can't figure out
what the hell he's putting together."
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Come forward�with your matches,
looking, everybody, quickly.
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But it's Orson, it'll be something.
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Test one, take one!
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Keep moving here.
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One night in particular,
I was�listening�to John and Orson,
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and John was saying, �What the hell
is this movie about, Orson?"
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And Orson said,
"It's about a miserable prick.
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This is his swan song.
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It's about us."
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My father felt that film was
a sort of slightly vulgar art-form.
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He made one for them�and one for himself,
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and was able to play the system,
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more like a poker player.
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Orson couldn't have been
more different, yeah.
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My father was such a perfectionist,
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and movies were his canvas.
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Every shot of my father's movies
are a painting.
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And Orson's line�was that Huston
was willing to sell out.
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I kept waiting for my big scene
with John Huston,
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the one time he was supposed
to really interact with me.
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One day, we were shooting and I said,
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"Where's John?"
He hadn't been around for a while,
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and one of the crew said, "He's off
making some little film somewhere."
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It was a huge success.
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�Masterpiece,� they called it.
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It was wonderful for my father.
A Kipling story
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01:01:23,555 --> 01:01:27,517
in the Atlas Mountains was heaven,
heaven on earth.
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01:01:28,268 --> 01:01:30,187
But to think that, at that moment,
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01:01:31,188 --> 01:01:36,526
the industry�is not paying the same amount
of respect to Welles is sad.
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01:01:43,366 --> 01:01:45,994
He once turned to me and he said,
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01:01:47,037 --> 01:01:50,123
"Citizen Kane is the greatest curse
of my life.
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01:01:51,041 --> 01:01:52,834
Every time I do anything,
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01:01:54,002 --> 01:01:57,631
people start comparing this to where
it stands vis-�-vis
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01:01:57,714 --> 01:02:00,008
what they call
the greatest American movie.
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01:02:00,467 --> 01:02:01,468
This is my curse."
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01:02:03,803 --> 01:02:07,933
No other director has ever been held up
to such an impossible standard.
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01:02:10,977 --> 01:02:15,190
What The Other Side of the Wind is about
is, in a sense, a bookend
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01:02:15,482 --> 01:02:18,193
to Citizen Kane,
about the tragic end of...
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01:02:19,152 --> 01:02:20,987
somebody who had become great...
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01:02:22,364 --> 01:02:24,574
and then had�lost his place in America.
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01:02:26,243 --> 01:02:27,403
Well, you know,
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01:02:28,662 --> 01:02:29,871
Orson said...
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01:02:33,708 --> 01:02:35,710
"No story has a happy ending,
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01:02:36,086 --> 01:02:38,546
unless you�stop telling it
before it's over with."
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01:02:40,924 --> 01:02:43,093
The tragedy of
The Other Side of the Wind
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01:02:43,176 --> 01:02:45,470
started with�Andr�s Vicente G�mez.
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01:02:46,137 --> 01:02:48,265
He was our�Spanish co-producer.
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01:02:49,849 --> 01:02:52,769
I'm not sure how much I can say
about this without getting into...
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01:02:53,061 --> 01:02:55,563
um... muddy legal�waters.
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01:02:56,231 --> 01:02:59,818
Yeah, I was there and I really,
to this day, don't know...
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01:02:59,901 --> 01:03:02,821
Whoa... Oh, wait a minute. I do know.
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01:03:02,946 --> 01:03:04,656
Oh, this story I can't tell.
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01:03:07,701 --> 01:03:12,289
Andr�s G�mez had supposedly put up
a couple of hundred thousand dollars
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01:03:12,372 --> 01:03:15,166
towards production costs
on The Other Side of the Wind,
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01:03:15,250 --> 01:03:19,546
and was on the set. He left,
and we were told that
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01:03:19,629 --> 01:03:23,383
he was going to pick up
the next tranche�of investment,
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01:03:23,508 --> 01:03:26,344
something in the order
of a quarter of a million dollars.
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01:03:27,137 --> 01:03:30,432
We were running out of cash
and we kept, "Where's Andr�s?
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01:03:30,515 --> 01:03:33,351
Where's Andr�s? When is he coming�back?"
Well, he never did come back.
275
01:03:38,023 --> 01:03:41,063
I've heard that he vanished with some
money, but I don't know if that's true.
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01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:43,403
I don't know... He may have vanished
with his own money.
277
01:03:44,738 --> 01:03:47,338
The problem is everybody
got their information from Orson.
278
01:03:48,366 --> 01:03:51,286
Nobody has direct evidence
of how the money disappeared.
279
01:03:52,912 --> 01:03:56,333
I read that he blamed me
'cause of the finance fiasco,
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01:03:56,583 --> 01:03:58,209
which is totally untrue.
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01:03:59,085 --> 01:04:00,670
I made a settlement with him.
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01:04:00,754 --> 01:04:03,798
There was no complaint,
there was no anything.
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01:04:04,924 --> 01:04:07,886
If it was�true, why didn't they make
any claim to me, you know?
284
01:04:10,472 --> 01:04:13,224
It created chaos. I mean,
suddenly we're not filming.
285
01:04:14,184 --> 01:04:16,686
And then�we're even blaming each other.
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01:04:19,189 --> 01:04:21,608
You can�imagine what happens to morale.
287
01:04:27,322 --> 01:04:30,241
And then we're just all sorta,
"What's Orson gonna do?"
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01:04:33,578 --> 01:04:34,578
Mark it.
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01:04:36,623 --> 01:04:37,623
Go!
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01:04:38,833 --> 01:04:42,170
Orson certainly was having trouble
getting the film finished,
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01:04:42,379 --> 01:04:46,466
and when the production
had to move to Los Angeles
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01:04:46,925 --> 01:04:51,388
and needed interiors that could work
to double the Arizona house,
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01:04:51,596 --> 01:04:55,350
Peter had�Orson move into his house
in Beverly Hills to shoot there.
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01:04:56,976 --> 01:04:59,776
What happened is, I think Orson
sort of took advantage of that.
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01:04:59,813 --> 01:05:02,065
Peter told Orson
he could stay at his house
296
01:05:02,148 --> 01:05:04,567
for maybe�two, three weeks a month.
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01:05:05,068 --> 01:05:05,902
Right on!
298
01:05:05,985 --> 01:05:08,113
Well, he stayed on and off
for three years.
299
01:05:09,155 --> 01:05:10,073
Right on!
300
01:05:10,156 --> 01:05:13,326
Peter and Cybill Shepherd
were living in the east wing.
301
01:05:13,868 --> 01:05:15,412
It was a very large house.
302
01:05:16,121 --> 01:05:17,247
And he ate a lot.
303
01:05:19,332 --> 01:05:23,002
Ah, the French champagne...
304
01:05:23,753 --> 01:05:26,548
has always�been celebrated
for its excellence.
305
01:05:27,382 --> 01:05:29,110
Fudgsicles!
306
01:05:29,134 --> 01:05:30,885
He had to have them all the time.
307
01:05:30,969 --> 01:05:34,013
He got very angry
if there were no Fudgsicles.
308
01:05:34,973 --> 01:05:37,684
And I had strict orders
never to disturb him.
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01:05:38,977 --> 01:05:40,645
And then I smell smoke one day.
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01:05:41,646 --> 01:05:43,231
He was in the downstairs guest room.
311
01:05:43,314 --> 01:05:45,859
And I followed it down
up to the door and tap-tap-tap,
312
01:05:45,942 --> 01:05:47,527
"Orson, is everything okay?"
313
01:05:47,944 --> 01:05:49,864
"Yes, it's taken care of."
314
01:05:51,448 --> 01:05:53,616
He'd put a lit cigar in his robe pocket.
315
01:05:55,076 --> 01:05:56,286
He was miserable.
316
01:05:56,911 --> 01:05:59,539
He was never as fat as he was then.
317
01:05:59,956 --> 01:06:01,875
And it was because of the movie.
318
01:06:02,876 --> 01:06:05,086
Over time,
Peter gave more to Orson
319
01:06:05,170 --> 01:06:07,547
than he ever imagined
he was going to give.
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01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,926
Don't give up the ship, eh, Brooksie?
321
01:06:12,093 --> 01:06:13,303
I'm not.
322
01:06:14,804 --> 01:06:17,140
It's really embarrassing
because he's broke.
323
01:06:18,141 --> 01:06:19,601
Don't think I'm not ready to...
324
01:06:21,728 --> 01:06:24,314
Don't think I'm not ready
to put up a fight for you.
325
01:06:25,940 --> 01:06:28,568
I think, for a long time,
you could sort of justify,
326
01:06:28,651 --> 01:06:30,862
"Well, Orson needs me.
327
01:06:32,113 --> 01:06:35,408
I'm helping�him, maybe something good
will come out of it."
328
01:06:37,202 --> 01:06:38,745
It's you I'm thinking of.
329
01:06:40,163 --> 01:06:42,415
- God, I don't...
- Don't touch anything.
330
01:06:43,249 --> 01:06:46,169
"It's you I'm thinking of."
Right into the door, that one.
331
01:06:47,504 --> 01:06:49,130
It's you I'm thinking of.
332
01:06:50,256 --> 01:06:53,176
At a certain point, it was like,
it should be time for Orson to...
333
01:06:53,384 --> 01:06:56,221
to go, but Orson's not going,
and how do I sorta...
334
01:06:56,888 --> 01:06:58,598
try to tell�him to do that?
335
01:07:02,018 --> 01:07:05,855
We who somehow glow
a little in his light...
336
01:07:07,690 --> 01:07:08,775
the fireflies,
337
01:07:09,442 --> 01:07:11,903
he does�quite often swallow whole.
338
01:07:13,363 --> 01:07:17,200
It's a fact�that some of us,
he chews on rather slowly.
339
01:07:20,370 --> 01:07:21,370
Cut.
340
01:07:25,458 --> 01:07:27,669
Orson commandeered�Peter's screening room
341
01:07:27,752 --> 01:07:29,712
and turned it into his editing suite.
342
01:07:30,380 --> 01:07:32,966
There he worked all hours,
piecing together
343
01:07:33,466 --> 01:07:34,551
The Wind.
344
01:07:37,262 --> 01:07:38,805
This is a Moviola.
345
01:07:39,305 --> 01:07:42,725
It's a�machine for editing film.
346
01:07:43,893 --> 01:07:46,729
Orson decided
on a completely new approach.
347
01:07:46,813 --> 01:07:48,147
Orson cut it.
348
01:07:48,439 --> 01:07:51,693
He cut it, every take, in�a lot of parts
349
01:07:51,776 --> 01:07:53,903
- and he reconstruct�it.
- Action!
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01:07:54,571 --> 01:07:55,571
Curtain.
351
01:07:55,822 --> 01:07:57,448
- Curtain.
- A film is...
352
01:07:57,991 --> 01:07:59,325
never right
353
01:07:59,784 --> 01:08:01,744
until it's right musically.
354
01:08:02,620 --> 01:08:05,790
- I ended up working as an editor.
- Cut!
355
01:08:06,291 --> 01:08:09,961
I spent six months on what I call
the bathroom orgy scene.
356
01:08:11,004 --> 01:08:12,297
There were 500 edits.
357
01:08:12,797 --> 01:08:17,677
And I spent six months with him editing
two frames here, five frames here, six...
358
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:21,764
He kept editing it a little bit more
and a little bit more.
359
01:08:24,559 --> 01:08:26,639
His whole concept
of The Other Side of the Wind
360
01:08:26,811 --> 01:08:30,690
was evolving, that's what he said.�I said,
"Well, how can it be evolving now?"
361
01:08:31,649 --> 01:08:33,192
He said, "It's all in the editing."
362
01:08:33,776 --> 01:08:34,902
I've never forgotten.
363
01:08:35,361 --> 01:08:37,238
"It's all in the editing."
364
01:08:39,657 --> 01:08:42,827
The jigsaw pieces were separated by
365
01:08:43,244 --> 01:08:44,704
breaks in time.
366
01:08:44,912 --> 01:08:48,082
Jesus, with�all your troubles,
what's one lousy leading man?
367
01:08:48,291 --> 01:08:51,794
There was no�way for the picture
to be�put together, except in my mind.
368
01:08:52,378 --> 01:08:55,006
Jesus, what's one lousy leading man?
369
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:56,840
Cut!
370
01:09:00,011 --> 01:09:01,771
It was funny, 'cause,
after all that,
371
01:09:01,846 --> 01:09:04,057
Orson still wanted Hollywood
to embrace him.
372
01:09:04,974 --> 01:09:06,768
And I think�he thought that the AFI
373
01:09:06,851 --> 01:09:09,896
uh, Life Achievement Award
was going to be that moment.
374
01:09:10,563 --> 01:09:14,275
The American�Film Institute
presents a salute to Orson Welles.
375
01:09:15,276 --> 01:09:17,612
I was the Founding Director
of the AFI.
376
01:09:17,695 --> 01:09:19,697
I started the Life Achievement Awards.
377
01:09:19,781 --> 01:09:21,621
To salute an outstanding individual
378
01:09:21,658 --> 01:09:25,203
for his�lifetime contributions
to the art of motion pictures.
379
01:09:25,411 --> 01:09:29,082
We concluded that Orson
should be the next recipient,
380
01:09:29,666 --> 01:09:32,585
but The Other Side of the Wind intruded.
381
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:35,463
Peter was my�medium.
382
01:09:35,546 --> 01:09:36,815
Stevens called me.
383
01:09:36,839 --> 01:09:38,817
Peter said, "Orson would like
to show something
384
01:09:38,841 --> 01:09:41,177
from his new film,
The Other Side of the Wind."
385
01:09:41,678 --> 01:09:42,929
I said, "Fine."
386
01:09:44,597 --> 01:09:48,017
It was a big�deal,�because we were trying
to sell the movie then.
387
01:09:48,101 --> 01:09:49,536
He was�trying to sell the film.
388
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:51,789
He thought he was going to get
the money�to finish it.
389
01:09:51,813 --> 01:09:53,648
Which was not unreasonable,
390
01:09:53,940 --> 01:09:56,526
but it would grow ever more complicated
391
01:09:56,734 --> 01:09:58,736
as we got�nearer to the time.
392
01:10:00,571 --> 01:10:03,366
Nobody exceeded Orson in charm
393
01:10:03,449 --> 01:10:06,786
when he�turned it on and he came to play.
394
01:10:08,788 --> 01:10:10,790
This was all of Hollywood there.
395
01:10:11,374 --> 01:10:15,169
What a better forum to present
the movie at? I mean...
396
01:10:16,671 --> 01:10:19,525
Now, how about a look
at the future of our gifted friend?
397
01:10:19,549 --> 01:10:21,092
The Other Side of the Wind.
398
01:10:21,509 --> 01:10:25,430
It's about a celebration in honor
of a famous movie director
399
01:10:26,222 --> 01:10:27,432
who is not Orson.
400
01:10:28,516 --> 01:10:31,936
And all of the movie freaks and filmmakers
in the world are in at this bash
401
01:10:32,019 --> 01:10:34,480
that I'm talking about,
including a brilliant young director
402
01:10:34,772 --> 01:10:38,609
who, by another coincidence,
is not Peter Bogdanovich,
403
01:10:39,652 --> 01:10:41,279
but is�played by Peter Bogdanovich.
404
01:10:43,239 --> 01:10:46,868
Orson thought the AFI was
that moment where everyone was going to
405
01:10:46,951 --> 01:10:48,619
give him his�just desserts.
406
01:10:49,162 --> 01:10:50,997
This picture is beautiful.
407
01:10:51,748 --> 01:10:53,374
And so are you, dear Orson.
408
01:10:58,963 --> 01:11:01,048
This honor I can only accept
409
01:11:01,841 --> 01:11:03,885
in the name of all the mavericks.
410
01:11:05,219 --> 01:11:06,971
And don't imagine that this
411
01:11:07,472 --> 01:11:10,308
raggle taggle gypsyo
is claiming to be free.
412
01:11:11,267 --> 01:11:14,812
It's just that some of the necessities
to which I am a slave
413
01:11:15,980 --> 01:11:17,315
are different from yours.
414
01:11:18,024 --> 01:11:20,359
He was not sucking up to the audience.
415
01:11:20,443 --> 01:11:23,070
He was basically saying,
"Fuck you," to the audience,
416
01:11:23,154 --> 01:11:26,407
"Why haven't you acknowledged
my genius today?"
417
01:11:26,491 --> 01:11:29,952
Let us raise our cups then,
418
01:11:30,745 --> 01:11:35,041
standing as some of us do
on opposite ends of the river,
419
01:11:36,209 --> 01:11:37,335
and drink together
420
01:11:38,002 --> 01:11:39,921
to what really matters to us all.
421
01:11:41,214 --> 01:11:44,050
To our crazy and beloved profession.
422
01:11:45,134 --> 01:11:47,428
To the movies, to good movies.
423
01:11:47,929 --> 01:11:49,722
To every�possible kind.
424
01:11:52,183 --> 01:11:54,018
Orson makes a great speech.
425
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,980
And then he worked in
a clip of his new film.
426
01:11:58,314 --> 01:11:59,941
The scene...
427
01:12:00,858 --> 01:12:03,277
that you're going to see
takes place in a projection room.
428
01:12:03,361 --> 01:12:06,280
Waiting there is the big studio boss.
429
01:12:06,364 --> 01:12:08,157
The stooge is trying to sell
430
01:12:08,574 --> 01:12:12,036
the unfinished movie that Jake is making,
431
01:12:12,745 --> 01:12:14,247
for which he�needs end money.
432
01:12:20,378 --> 01:12:21,671
I just think it was sad.
433
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:24,882
He was�practically begging for money.
434
01:12:27,718 --> 01:12:30,888
- What happens�here?
- I'm not really sure, Max.
435
01:12:31,848 --> 01:12:35,101
- You... You better ask Jake.
- I'd better read the script.
436
01:12:37,979 --> 01:12:39,146
There isn't one.
437
01:12:43,025 --> 01:12:45,444
Jake, he�s just�making it up
as he goes along.
438
01:12:47,446 --> 01:12:48,823
He's done it�before.
439
01:12:54,203 --> 01:12:55,872
Nobody gave�him a dime.
440
01:12:59,292 --> 01:13:02,086
He thought he was going to attract
441
01:13:03,087 --> 01:13:06,591
somebody who would open up the vault
and say, "Whatever you need."
442
01:13:06,841 --> 01:13:08,092
And he�didn't get it.
443
01:13:08,676 --> 01:13:11,971
All right, go home!�Who�gives a shit?
444
01:13:12,263 --> 01:13:16,434
You stiffs can put all this stuff
together. We'll have our own movie.
445
01:13:17,184 --> 01:13:18,686
A real movie!
446
01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:20,813
A real movie!
447
01:13:23,774 --> 01:13:26,319
Maybe she�just don't love us
like she used to.
448
01:13:28,738 --> 01:13:29,822
Maybe.
449
01:13:31,741 --> 01:13:33,284
Orson said to me once that,
450
01:13:33,367 --> 01:13:37,079
"Los Angeles is the only city where
every road leads to the airport.
451
01:13:38,414 --> 01:13:41,417
If you're�here, Hollywood can't wait
to get you out of here."
452
01:13:47,465 --> 01:13:51,385
The clouds�around our film
were gathering from all directions.
453
01:13:52,970 --> 01:13:55,932
The new�Hollywood ended around '75.
454
01:13:57,433 --> 01:14:00,603
Star Wars and Jaws were blockbusters,
455
01:14:00,937 --> 01:14:05,232
not personal films,
and changed�the atmosphere.
456
01:14:07,193 --> 01:14:08,819
I did have the chance,
457
01:14:08,903 --> 01:14:13,199
right after the tribute,
of reviving my career in America.
458
01:14:14,533 --> 01:14:16,786
But it was�destroyed by the Iranians.
459
01:14:19,163 --> 01:14:20,957
Iran's Islamic revolution.
460
01:14:22,625 --> 01:14:24,752
Many foreign-owned businesses
461
01:14:24,877 --> 01:14:27,463
and their assets confiscated
without payment.
462
01:14:29,048 --> 01:14:31,550
Financing got into deep trouble.
463
01:14:31,884 --> 01:14:35,388
The Iranian�company,
they simply shut off the spigot.
464
01:14:36,055 --> 01:14:38,140
You see, the Shah himself
465
01:14:38,307 --> 01:14:41,143
was the�brother-in-law of our producer.
466
01:14:42,770 --> 01:14:45,272
When he was overthrown by the Ayatollah...
467
01:14:47,316 --> 01:14:51,028
...the film was�confiscated by somebody...
468
01:14:51,487 --> 01:14:55,324
Well, here it is...
if anybody wants to see it.
469
01:14:55,449 --> 01:14:58,119
...and sent to a vault in Paris.
470
01:14:59,704 --> 01:15:03,624
The Iranians�attempted to move it
out of Paris only two months ago.
471
01:15:04,834 --> 01:15:07,128
Orson sued to finish his film.
472
01:15:07,670 --> 01:15:09,390
Then, you know, he got fucked.
473
01:15:19,932 --> 01:15:22,518
The French�court locked
The Other Side�of the Wind in a vault.
474
01:15:23,060 --> 01:15:25,563
Orson couldn't have access to the film.
475
01:15:44,331 --> 01:15:47,043
When you hear the cry,
"Death to the Shah,"
476
01:15:49,253 --> 01:15:52,256
it doesn't come entirely
from the Iranian people.
477
01:15:59,847 --> 01:16:02,433
Now, pretty much everything was shot
478
01:16:03,309 --> 01:16:04,435
by this time.
479
01:16:05,352 --> 01:16:07,229
And Orson�was heartbroken.
480
01:16:16,030 --> 01:16:18,032
I didn't wanna...
don't wanna be introduced,
481
01:16:18,157 --> 01:16:21,702
because I don't want this to seem
like a formal occasion.
482
01:16:23,162 --> 01:16:25,748
That stops right now.
483
01:16:26,582 --> 01:16:27,958
Stops right now. Back.
484
01:16:28,084 --> 01:16:30,795
About ten feet,
you get a much better shot.�Zoom.
485
01:16:34,090 --> 01:16:36,383
Sir, my question is a little bit personal.
486
01:16:36,634 --> 01:16:40,888
What are the greatest events of your life
in relation�to your work as a film star?
487
01:16:41,555 --> 01:16:43,599
The greatest moment is always
488
01:16:44,391 --> 01:16:46,310
when you know the money's in the bank.
489
01:16:50,523 --> 01:16:53,984
The point is, you have fallen in love
with an impossible medium,
490
01:16:54,068 --> 01:16:57,530
because it's so hard to get the money
for your pictures.
491
01:16:57,905 --> 01:17:00,699
It's so hard to get the distribution.
492
01:17:01,492 --> 01:17:03,077
I believe we should work
493
01:17:03,536 --> 01:17:06,330
in the constant recognition
494
01:17:07,289 --> 01:17:10,918
of the fact that we are lucky
to be working,
495
01:17:11,460 --> 01:17:14,797
and that our luck is too great
to confuse it
496
01:17:15,214 --> 01:17:17,007
with ultimate justice.
497
01:17:17,675 --> 01:17:21,887
Particularly,
since any intelligent person knows
498
01:17:22,012 --> 01:17:24,181
that there is no justice in the world.
499
01:17:25,558 --> 01:17:26,767
Of any kind.
500
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:30,437
My God, it's vodka.
501
01:17:35,359 --> 01:17:36,986
This...
502
01:17:41,365 --> 01:17:44,994
That's all. Don't go on
shooting me laughing and saying nothing.
503
01:17:45,077 --> 01:17:47,580
Come on, I�don't want...
I don't want footage of myself...
504
01:17:53,335 --> 01:17:55,921
Sometimes I try to imagine Orson
505
01:17:56,046 --> 01:17:58,632
having different bedrooms
in different hotels.
506
01:17:59,008 --> 01:18:02,887
And the door to this room is locked.
And under the bed
507
01:18:03,179 --> 01:18:06,515
are hidden boxes and boxes of film.
508
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:08,600
Who knows?
509
01:18:10,311 --> 01:18:12,991
A number of the things
you've done, films you've made,
510
01:18:13,022 --> 01:18:16,108
have gone on for a very�long time.
You've come back to them, picked them up.
511
01:18:16,192 --> 01:18:19,195
Yeah, there are only two
main projects which are unfinished.
512
01:18:19,570 --> 01:18:20,571
Don Quixote.
513
01:18:23,282 --> 01:18:26,702
And the other one,�which has been
much longer is The Other�Side of the Wind.
514
01:18:28,704 --> 01:18:31,832
I don't know how many other pictures
Orson's got somewhere
515
01:18:31,916 --> 01:18:34,835
that were�never finished. A few, a few.
516
01:18:36,545 --> 01:18:38,631
The Deep was finished.
517
01:18:40,049 --> 01:18:42,301
He just needed to loop the actors.
518
01:18:43,677 --> 01:18:44,720
But he never did.
519
01:18:48,641 --> 01:18:52,436
The Merchant of Venice.
If you are listening to Orson,
520
01:18:52,603 --> 01:18:56,649
the sound�was stolen, that's the reason
why he didn't finish the picture.
521
01:18:58,776 --> 01:18:59,776
The Dreamers.
522
01:19:00,110 --> 01:19:03,405
The Dreamers was a major project that
would've been a really beautiful film.
523
01:19:05,783 --> 01:19:08,383
Do you like to finish
a picture and be done with it?
524
01:19:08,452 --> 01:19:11,121
Are you�happy when it's all done and cut?
525
01:19:11,288 --> 01:19:12,288
No.
526
01:19:12,998 --> 01:19:15,501
No, because you always hope
you can make it better.
527
01:19:16,627 --> 01:19:18,420
I hate every kind of goodbye.
528
01:19:18,587 --> 01:19:21,882
And every�time those lights go out,
it's a little death and a little goodbye.
529
01:19:26,303 --> 01:19:27,638
I have a feeling,
530
01:19:28,889 --> 01:19:31,392
for which I have no evidence,
531
01:19:32,476 --> 01:19:35,688
that he�never wanted to finish
The Other Side of the Wind.
532
01:19:40,985 --> 01:19:45,447
I always thought that we would
never finish the film until he died.
533
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:46,990
Because...
534
01:19:47,700 --> 01:19:50,327
he felt that if we finished the film
he would die.
535
01:19:56,292 --> 01:19:57,334
On the other hand...
536
01:19:59,878 --> 01:20:01,297
This question:
537
01:20:01,714 --> 01:20:04,425
Orson did not like to finish his films.
538
01:20:05,426 --> 01:20:09,013
There is really no logic in it,
because not to finish his films
539
01:20:09,096 --> 01:20:12,474
would have been suicidal,
and Orson loved life.
540
01:20:13,517 --> 01:20:14,935
And life for him
541
01:20:15,394 --> 01:20:17,938
mainly consisted of making the movies.
542
01:20:27,656 --> 01:20:31,702
It implied that he would act
in other director's movies
543
01:20:31,827 --> 01:20:34,580
in order to finance and to direct his own.
544
01:20:34,830 --> 01:20:36,749
Then just before the end,
545
01:20:37,166 --> 01:20:40,085
he would throw away
all this money and effort,
546
01:20:40,627 --> 01:20:42,629
which he invested into his film,
547
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:45,382
for the�sheer pleasure
of not finishing it.
548
01:20:47,176 --> 01:20:49,762
The myth of him not wanting
to complete his films
549
01:20:49,845 --> 01:20:51,722
is complete and total nonsense.
550
01:20:51,847 --> 01:20:54,099
Such bullshit.
551
01:20:54,224 --> 01:20:56,143
He wanted to finish them correctly.
552
01:20:56,852 --> 01:20:59,063
I mean, look at the movies
that were finished.
553
01:20:59,897 --> 01:21:00,897
Hello!
554
01:21:02,191 --> 01:21:05,319
One can only imagine
what the pain and suffering
555
01:21:05,402 --> 01:21:08,280
he endured through the years
when he did finish.
556
01:21:11,367 --> 01:21:14,036
Kane. Othello. Macbeth.
557
01:21:14,119 --> 01:21:16,955
Stranger. Mr. Arkadin. And The Trial.
558
01:21:17,456 --> 01:21:21,543
Touch of Evil. Lady�from Shanghai.
Immortal Story.
559
01:21:21,627 --> 01:21:23,879
Chimes at�Midnight. F for Fake.
560
01:21:25,923 --> 01:21:27,007
And, of course,
561
01:21:27,257 --> 01:21:30,803
he did everything to continue
with The Other Side of the Wind.
562
01:21:34,681 --> 01:21:37,309
I used to see him at Ma Maison,
563
01:21:37,393 --> 01:21:39,520
a French�restaurant in Los Angeles.
564
01:21:39,603 --> 01:21:41,363
He would eat there seven days a week.
565
01:21:41,397 --> 01:21:43,190
He'd go to Ma Maison for lunch.
566
01:21:43,982 --> 01:21:45,359
He had his own table,
567
01:21:45,442 --> 01:21:49,363
and there�was mostly business involved.
I mean, like Burt Reynolds.
568
01:21:49,613 --> 01:21:50,864
Jack Nicholson.
569
01:21:51,657 --> 01:21:53,450
Henry Jaglom was a regular.
570
01:21:53,784 --> 01:21:55,702
- I'll finish�this.
- Yes.
571
01:21:55,786 --> 01:21:57,663
Chewing the�burger.
572
01:21:58,122 --> 01:22:00,791
He wasn't�the ogre
everybody thought he was, at all.
573
01:22:01,208 --> 01:22:03,210
This weird notion
574
01:22:03,293 --> 01:22:06,171
that Orson was sitting around Ma Maison
doing fuck all
575
01:22:06,255 --> 01:22:07,589
is insulting.
576
01:22:08,173 --> 01:22:12,261
Miss Tracy. Prepare the standard
rich and famous contract
577
01:22:12,344 --> 01:22:14,680
for Kermit�the Frog and company.
578
01:22:15,389 --> 01:22:18,308
We'd had all these lunches
and we talked about everything.
579
01:22:18,559 --> 01:22:21,895
And he was focusing on getting
the film�back so he could finish
580
01:22:21,979 --> 01:22:23,480
The Other Side of the Wind.
581
01:22:26,942 --> 01:22:28,944
We created a company called Weljag.
582
01:22:32,364 --> 01:22:36,034
And we lied and we claimed to have
several million dollars
583
01:22:36,535 --> 01:22:38,412
to pay the Shah of Iran's brother
584
01:22:38,495 --> 01:22:40,747
the million and a half he was asking for.
585
01:22:40,873 --> 01:22:42,583
And that would free the film.
586
01:22:45,043 --> 01:22:48,422
He was outrageous.
He was willing to completely lie,
587
01:22:48,505 --> 01:22:51,550
because he didn't have any respect
for the stupid process
588
01:22:51,633 --> 01:22:53,051
that had held his film back.
589
01:22:56,180 --> 01:22:57,848
So, we went�and we testified.
590
01:22:57,931 --> 01:23:00,017
The great part of the film
591
01:23:00,559 --> 01:23:05,272
was made�before there was a partnership
with the Iranians.
592
01:23:06,773 --> 01:23:09,610
We were appealing
on the basis of the Code�Napol�on,
593
01:23:10,235 --> 01:23:12,279
that says the artist owns the film.
594
01:23:12,446 --> 01:23:14,531
It's close to being finished,
595
01:23:15,157 --> 01:23:18,160
but the failure of the Iranians
596
01:23:18,410 --> 01:23:20,746
to pay the money they were supposed to
597
01:23:21,163 --> 01:23:23,040
delayed us for years,
598
01:23:23,165 --> 01:23:24,791
and several�actors died.
599
01:23:26,502 --> 01:23:28,378
That's what his whole focus was,
600
01:23:28,462 --> 01:23:30,839
finishing The Other Side of the Wind.
601
01:23:32,966 --> 01:23:35,761
And then the French judiciary announced
602
01:23:36,261 --> 01:23:38,305
the producer owns the film.
603
01:23:38,764 --> 01:23:39,806
Not Orson.
604
01:23:42,643 --> 01:23:44,436
So, he's�back to stage one.
605
01:23:50,734 --> 01:23:52,611
You have to protect yourself.
606
01:23:52,819 --> 01:23:54,821
There are subjects we don't think about.
607
01:23:55,822 --> 01:23:58,158
You know, it's like avoiding the mirror.
608
01:23:59,117 --> 01:24:01,620
I don't much�like to look
in any form of mirror.
609
01:24:04,498 --> 01:24:05,624
In Orson's life,
610
01:24:05,707 --> 01:24:10,045
there's a sense of the essential
untrustworthiness of people.
611
01:24:11,296 --> 01:24:14,633
It's a world view,
and that really�does run
612
01:24:14,716 --> 01:24:16,718
pretty well through everything.
613
01:24:17,803 --> 01:24:20,097
After that, I knew I couldn't trust him.
614
01:24:21,181 --> 01:24:22,516
He was mad.
615
01:24:23,850 --> 01:24:26,770
Betrayal was key to all of Orson's work.
616
01:24:27,271 --> 01:24:30,274
They're mostly about
two guys who love each other,
617
01:24:30,899 --> 01:24:32,276
and one betrays the other.
618
01:24:37,531 --> 01:24:39,575
Gosh, this is difficult territory,
619
01:24:40,284 --> 01:24:42,869
but it must have stemmed
from something in his life.
620
01:24:44,997 --> 01:24:47,749
Actually, it starts as early as you like.
621
01:24:50,794 --> 01:24:55,549
There are a number of betrayals
in Welles' childhood...
622
01:24:55,632 --> 01:24:57,759
I don't like a pair of eyes...
623
01:24:58,510 --> 01:25:02,806
...that were absolutely fundamental
to him, formative to him.
624
01:25:03,223 --> 01:25:04,349
...staring at me.
625
01:25:05,142 --> 01:25:07,060
His childhood was a mess.
626
01:25:07,644 --> 01:25:09,187
With no look in them.
627
01:25:09,855 --> 01:25:12,899
His mother died, died on his birthday.
628
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:15,277
And then his father was a drunk.
629
01:25:17,070 --> 01:25:20,866
He told his�father that he didn't
wanna see him unless he was sober.
630
01:25:23,368 --> 01:25:24,453
His father�died.
631
01:25:25,370 --> 01:25:26,413
Suicide, take one.
632
01:25:26,663 --> 01:25:29,499
Welles was convinced
his father committed suicide.
633
01:25:29,708 --> 01:25:31,460
"Would-be suicide?"
634
01:25:32,127 --> 01:25:36,506
Drank himself to death in a hotel
room in Chicago when Welles was 15.
635
01:25:38,342 --> 01:25:40,886
- Announce it again.
- Suicide, take two.
636
01:25:42,012 --> 01:25:45,599
This was the greatest
source of guilt in his life.
637
01:25:48,143 --> 01:25:52,314
And he said, "I don't think
you can get over your guilt."
638
01:25:52,397 --> 01:25:54,441
He said,
"You have to live with your guilt."
639
01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:58,612
This treason...
640
01:25:58,695 --> 01:26:01,156
is a theme that you use in other films.
641
01:26:02,032 --> 01:26:05,619
Either people betray their best friends,
642
01:26:05,869 --> 01:26:09,289
or they betray their values
in which they believe.
643
01:26:09,373 --> 01:26:10,832
- Yes.
- Uh...
644
01:26:11,208 --> 01:26:12,918
Which is worse, do you think?
645
01:26:13,085 --> 01:26:15,885
I suppose it's to betray
the values in which you believe.
646
01:26:16,171 --> 01:26:17,171
There we are!
647
01:26:17,631 --> 01:26:19,758
Now we found the difference between us.
648
01:26:20,050 --> 01:26:22,552
To me, the worst thing
is to betray a friend.
649
01:26:28,225 --> 01:26:29,985
We were very close for a while.
650
01:26:32,521 --> 01:26:35,065
And I loved�him, and I think he loved me.
651
01:26:35,816 --> 01:26:37,943
I like him. I like him very much.
652
01:26:38,944 --> 01:26:40,529
I consider him a true friend.
653
01:26:41,446 --> 01:26:44,366
And I ask you to welcome him.
Burt Reynolds.
654
01:26:47,869 --> 01:26:50,080
But Bert Reynolds and Orson,
655
01:26:50,163 --> 01:26:53,417
they said a�couple of not very nice things
about me, on television.
656
01:26:54,501 --> 01:26:56,920
We have a mutual friend,
of course,�Peter Bogdanovich.
657
01:26:57,003 --> 01:26:58,505
That's right. As a matter of fact,
658
01:26:59,339 --> 01:27:02,259
you have me to thank for the fact
that you were asked to be
659
01:27:02,342 --> 01:27:06,138
in the picture which was probably
the least successful of any in your past.
660
01:27:09,766 --> 01:27:11,935
My feeling was that the picture
needed you.
661
01:27:12,018 --> 01:27:13,018
Yeah.
662
01:27:13,145 --> 01:27:14,688
No, it needed a lot more.
663
01:27:18,567 --> 01:27:19,943
That's right.
664
01:27:20,026 --> 01:27:23,071
I had the distinction
of getting him on this show
665
01:27:23,363 --> 01:27:24,614
and having him host the show.
666
01:27:24,698 --> 01:27:27,176
- How did you get him off?
- Well, that was the thing.
667
01:27:29,870 --> 01:27:31,747
This is the one that hurts.
668
01:27:31,872 --> 01:27:34,291
This is a scene
we both hoped we'd never get to.
669
01:27:36,710 --> 01:27:37,710
Hey.
670
01:27:39,004 --> 01:27:41,590
Remember when you first appeared
on that location of mine?
671
01:27:42,549 --> 01:27:43,759
Yeah, I didn't even have
672
01:27:44,301 --> 01:27:46,386
fare back home. Just that...
673
01:27:47,429 --> 01:27:48,805
secondhand tape recorder.
674
01:27:48,889 --> 01:27:50,682
A raggedy-ass kid.
675
01:27:53,059 --> 01:27:55,604
So, I wrote him a note in which I said,
676
01:27:55,687 --> 01:27:58,482
"I tuned in last night to see
what you think about me
677
01:27:58,940 --> 01:28:00,317
and I guess I found out."
678
01:28:02,277 --> 01:28:04,821
And he sent�me back a envelope...
679
01:28:04,905 --> 01:28:06,031
The envelope.
680
01:28:07,115 --> 01:28:08,909
...with two letters in it.
681
01:28:09,826 --> 01:28:12,913
One said he was absolutely horrified
682
01:28:12,996 --> 01:28:15,916
and that he felt he'd betrayed
our friendship.
683
01:28:17,125 --> 01:28:19,044
And the other letter said I deserved it.
684
01:28:19,127 --> 01:28:21,129
He said, "Take your pick."
685
01:28:21,713 --> 01:28:23,131
What'd I do�wrong, Daddy?
686
01:28:24,508 --> 01:28:26,510
You can kiss�my sweet ass.
687
01:28:31,848 --> 01:28:33,892
Last Picture Show, Paper Moon.
688
01:28:34,476 --> 01:28:37,854
Some of those early films.
They said, "Bogdanovich is
689
01:28:38,355 --> 01:28:40,857
the best we've got. He's on his way."
690
01:28:41,066 --> 01:28:42,943
They don't say that anymore.
691
01:28:44,069 --> 01:28:45,195
What happened?
692
01:28:45,821 --> 01:28:48,615
Peter, due to personal situations,
693
01:28:48,698 --> 01:28:51,034
ended up on the rocks in a number of ways.
694
01:28:51,743 --> 01:28:54,663
But Orson was way beyond
being on the rocks.
695
01:28:55,038 --> 01:28:58,375
Orson was�the rocks
and the waves and the wind.
696
01:29:01,044 --> 01:29:02,044
Cut.
697
01:29:04,631 --> 01:29:06,049
Many years later,
698
01:29:06,508 --> 01:29:08,844
we started talking
on the phone again a bit.
699
01:29:10,595 --> 01:29:12,180
But it wasn't the same.
700
01:29:14,474 --> 01:29:15,767
And I said to him,
701
01:29:16,810 --> 01:29:19,104
"I feel like I made so many mistakes."
702
01:29:20,981 --> 01:29:21,982
And he said,
703
01:29:23,024 --> 01:29:24,024
"Well...
704
01:29:24,651 --> 01:29:27,612
it does seem to be impossible
to go through life
705
01:29:28,363 --> 01:29:30,949
without making a great many of them."
706
01:29:34,077 --> 01:29:35,787
He died�within a week later.
707
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:51,970
Our next speaker has been Orson's friend
and cameraman for about 15 years,
708
01:29:52,220 --> 01:29:55,807
and a friend, very good friend. Underline.
709
01:29:56,057 --> 01:29:58,310
He worked on�The Other Side of the Wind
and F for Fake...
710
01:29:58,393 --> 01:30:00,812
At the memorial, Gary broke down.
711
01:30:01,646 --> 01:30:04,858
That was a�big piece of his life gone,
you know?
712
01:30:05,775 --> 01:30:08,820
He had more�contact with Orson
than he did with his children.
713
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:13,491
The thing that's sad to me really is that
714
01:30:13,825 --> 01:30:15,076
I wanna talk to Orson.
715
01:30:16,244 --> 01:30:17,579
I wish I could talk to him
716
01:30:17,829 --> 01:30:19,956
and tell him a lot of things
right now. That's...
717
01:30:20,248 --> 01:30:21,291
that's what probably
718
01:30:21,875 --> 01:30:23,585
makes me feel saddest of all.
719
01:30:24,336 --> 01:30:25,795
It just broke your heart.
720
01:30:26,588 --> 01:30:27,839
He said stuff like,
721
01:30:28,089 --> 01:30:31,134
"I don't know what to do tomorrow."
You know?
722
01:30:32,052 --> 01:30:33,052
And, uh...
723
01:30:33,762 --> 01:30:35,680
He said, "I wake up every morning,
what I do is
724
01:30:35,764 --> 01:30:38,600
I call Orson and he tells me
what I'm supposed to do today.
725
01:30:38,683 --> 01:30:41,144
And I don't�know what to do tomorrow."
726
01:30:43,355 --> 01:30:45,148
Gary ended up with Orson's ashes
727
01:30:45,231 --> 01:30:47,609
in the trunk of his car
for a year and a half,
728
01:30:48,026 --> 01:30:50,904
waiting for... where are we gonna
bury him, you know?
729
01:30:53,740 --> 01:30:55,742
I'm sorry for all the...
730
01:30:56,284 --> 01:30:58,328
great things that Orson did
731
01:30:59,037 --> 01:31:00,330
that were never shown.
732
01:31:01,289 --> 01:31:03,208
And that's why I keep after you, Gary.
733
01:31:03,625 --> 01:31:06,670
I keep�hoping The Other Side of the Wind
will be released.
734
01:31:12,801 --> 01:31:15,804
This... This is what we started
The Other Side of the Wind with.
735
01:31:15,929 --> 01:31:16,930
Arriflex.
736
01:31:17,597 --> 01:31:19,724
And then�Orson could look there.
737
01:31:23,603 --> 01:31:27,190
There was a work print
amidst Gary's belongings.
738
01:31:29,067 --> 01:31:31,695
And he did try to cut the movie
before he died.
739
01:31:33,321 --> 01:31:34,321
But...
740
01:31:35,448 --> 01:31:37,534
without Orson, it didn't track.
741
01:31:38,952 --> 01:31:43,456
Gary would�have the story perfect in
his head, he just couldn't get it on film.
742
01:31:46,167 --> 01:31:47,669
But without any doubt,
743
01:31:48,628 --> 01:31:50,839
I believe that my father would've
744
01:31:51,006 --> 01:31:53,008
- immediately answered "yes."
- Yes.
745
01:31:53,258 --> 01:31:54,843
That he would do it all over again.
746
01:31:57,721 --> 01:32:00,807
A lot of people wanna see
The Other Side of the Wind get made.
747
01:32:02,642 --> 01:32:06,271
It is the greatest movie
never released, you know.
748
01:32:10,525 --> 01:32:12,944
What did Orson really mean by it?
749
01:32:13,737 --> 01:32:17,323
What is its... its true form?
750
01:32:18,158 --> 01:32:19,784
It's an�eternal quest.
751
01:32:21,453 --> 01:32:23,038
I shot Someone to Love,
752
01:32:23,121 --> 01:32:26,374
which is Orson's last movie as an actor,
before he died.
753
01:32:28,043 --> 01:32:30,045
And he turns�to me and he says...
754
01:32:30,712 --> 01:32:34,132
"We come into the world alone,
we die alone, we live alone.
755
01:32:34,674 --> 01:32:37,385
Love and friendship is the nearest thing
756
01:32:37,677 --> 01:32:38,928
that we can find
757
01:32:39,596 --> 01:32:41,806
to create the illusion
758
01:32:42,474 --> 01:32:44,267
that we are�not totally alone."
759
01:32:45,727 --> 01:32:48,438
So, I'm working on that, after Orson died,
760
01:32:48,730 --> 01:32:52,901
and I get a knock on my door.
And it's John Huston.
761
01:32:53,401 --> 01:32:56,905
He says, "You have footage of Orson
that I haven't seen."
762
01:32:56,988 --> 01:32:58,823
I said, "Well, I'll put it up for you."
763
01:32:59,282 --> 01:33:02,827
As far as�this movie is concerned,
it seems to me you've got your ending.
764
01:33:03,411 --> 01:33:04,245
Why?
765
01:33:04,329 --> 01:33:08,041
Because we have come to the end.
766
01:33:12,212 --> 01:33:14,672
- I'm glad you�came today.
- So am I.
767
01:33:15,340 --> 01:33:17,008
Thank you. Stay a little longer?
768
01:33:17,092 --> 01:33:18,772
Really can't go on recording this.
769
01:33:18,802 --> 01:33:20,762
- Why?
- It's got too�sweet.
770
01:33:21,221 --> 01:33:22,555
I'm not�gonna say "cut."
771
01:33:22,639 --> 01:33:24,599
I'll say "cut." I'm a director.
772
01:33:24,682 --> 01:33:25,682
- Say it...
- Cut!
773
01:33:25,767 --> 01:33:27,477
- Say it into�the camera.
- What?
774
01:33:27,602 --> 01:33:29,437
- Say it into�the camera.
- I did.
775
01:33:30,021 --> 01:33:31,106
Can you do�it again?
776
01:33:31,564 --> 01:33:33,066
You want me�to say "cut" again?
777
01:33:33,149 --> 01:33:35,002
- Into the�camera...
- Wants to improvise
778
01:33:35,026 --> 01:33:36,653
and do it twice. Cut!
779
01:33:49,207 --> 01:33:51,042
Huston turned to me and he said,
780
01:33:52,127 --> 01:33:53,419
"He let you do that?"
781
01:33:53,753 --> 01:33:57,507
He said, "Oh, that's wonderful.
I've always wanted him on film laughing.
782
01:33:57,590 --> 01:33:59,425
That was so... "And he started crying.
783
01:34:00,802 --> 01:34:02,220
He started crying, Huston.
784
01:34:03,179 --> 01:34:05,431
Watching Orson laughing.
785
01:34:24,951 --> 01:34:30,582
Clips of films, the cans,
the years of work and ideas.
786
01:34:31,749 --> 01:34:34,919
Did Welles see it all as an endless loop
787
01:34:35,003 --> 01:34:38,965
full of sound and fury,
signifying nothing?
788
01:34:41,467 --> 01:34:43,178
Or, perhaps for him,
789
01:34:44,387 --> 01:34:46,973
failure was simply
a more interesting ending.
790
01:34:50,310 --> 01:34:54,314
Orson talked about ways to
re-imagine The Other Side of the Wind.
791
01:34:54,814 --> 01:34:55,899
How did he�put it?
792
01:34:56,566 --> 01:35:00,028
Supposing, during the course
of the picture, that it turns out
793
01:35:00,236 --> 01:35:04,240
that it's more interesting hearing
the actors and myself talk about it
794
01:35:04,324 --> 01:35:06,576
than making the picture.
That will be the picture.
795
01:35:09,871 --> 01:35:12,207
Oh, maybe that's what
he was talking about.
796
01:35:12,373 --> 01:35:15,627
Maybe he was�saying that The Other Side
of the Wind was like a documentary.
797
01:35:15,710 --> 01:35:18,230
At one point, he was talking about
turning it into a documentary.
798
01:35:18,254 --> 01:35:19,130
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
799
01:35:19,214 --> 01:35:22,008
As he always had done,
innovating with the form.
800
01:35:22,091 --> 01:35:24,928
You were showing people
making a movie.
801
01:35:25,011 --> 01:35:27,513
So, it was�like a documentary.
802
01:35:28,014 --> 01:35:29,891
See what I mean?
It's that... It's that free.
803
01:35:30,433 --> 01:35:32,227
Maybe it isn't even the picture.
804
01:35:32,435 --> 01:35:34,979
Maybe it's just talking about
making the picture.
805
01:35:35,313 --> 01:35:36,314
We're just�gonna go.
806
01:35:38,566 --> 01:35:39,484
Let me show that again.
807
01:35:39,567 --> 01:35:41,694
Maybe it's just talking about
making the picture.
808
01:35:41,778 --> 01:35:43,821
Well, that makes perfect sense to me.
809
01:35:44,364 --> 01:35:46,241
I remember him talking to me about that.
810
01:35:46,366 --> 01:35:48,368
It's all in the editing.
811
01:35:48,493 --> 01:35:51,913
The Other Side of the Wind
and his life�were inseparable.
812
01:35:52,205 --> 01:35:56,459
The whole documentary
that we're all so accustomed to today...
813
01:35:56,876 --> 01:35:58,086
he was�inventing.
814
01:35:59,921 --> 01:36:01,673
Well, who's gonna watch this film?
815
01:36:02,173 --> 01:36:05,009
What kind of�people do you think
are gonna be your audience?
816
01:36:05,677 --> 01:36:07,387
That's a wonderful question.
817
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:09,722
I hope everybody.
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