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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:31,114 --> 00:00:32,866 Ladies and gentlemen, good evening. 2 00:00:33,700 --> 00:00:37,120 This is the story of Orson Welles' last movie, 3 00:00:38,121 --> 00:00:39,665 The Other Side of the Wind. 4 00:00:50,926 --> 00:00:55,138 Uh, this is May 11th, 1971, The Other Side of the Wind. 5 00:00:55,430 --> 00:00:57,182 Orson Welles. Um... 6 00:00:57,266 --> 00:00:59,726 - Sound roll number eight. - Rolling. 7 00:01:00,060 --> 00:01:03,355 'Cause you always start announcing it before I roll. All right, now, 8 00:01:03,438 --> 00:01:04,523 I'll announce it. 9 00:01:04,606 --> 00:01:07,025 Scene 58, take one. 10 00:01:08,569 --> 00:01:12,698 What you're about to watch is made up of fragments of the materials 11 00:01:12,781 --> 00:01:16,159 that Orson and others left behind. 12 00:01:19,955 --> 00:01:22,583 Many of Orson's films started with a death... 13 00:01:24,001 --> 00:01:25,335 and so does ours. 14 00:01:31,091 --> 00:01:34,928 When Orson Welles died yesterday, he was,�as he had been most of his life, 15 00:01:35,012 --> 00:01:36,847 in the midst�of several film projects. 16 00:01:37,472 --> 00:01:40,559 It was the end of a career that had once promised so much. 17 00:01:41,143 --> 00:01:43,645 He was a giant of a man who made Citizen Kane, 18 00:01:44,062 --> 00:01:47,357 who once�scared America half to death with his War of the Worlds. 19 00:01:48,609 --> 00:01:51,028 He'd been called a genius almost from birth. 20 00:01:51,236 --> 00:01:54,239 He was�reading at two, performing Shakespeare at ten. 21 00:01:54,823 --> 00:01:58,410 Regrettably, his later years never matched the promise of his early years. 22 00:01:59,161 --> 00:02:02,831 He drifted off to lesser work and grew enormously fat. 23 00:02:03,582 --> 00:02:05,417 Movies were never finished. 24 00:02:05,542 --> 00:02:08,128 There was this one, The Other Side of the Wind, 25 00:02:08,378 --> 00:02:10,172 about a world-famous filmmaker. 26 00:02:10,672 --> 00:02:12,883 Perhaps Welles' vision of himself. 27 00:02:13,717 --> 00:02:17,763 How we sum up a person's life and the truth of that life 28 00:02:18,221 --> 00:02:20,140 are rarely he same thing. 29 00:02:21,141 --> 00:02:23,769 Almost any story is almost certainly 30 00:02:23,852 --> 00:02:25,604 some kind of lie. 31 00:02:27,272 --> 00:02:28,482 But not this time. 32 00:02:29,483 --> 00:02:32,861 This time, the story of The Other Side of the Wind 33 00:02:32,944 --> 00:02:35,614 is being told by the people who were there: 34 00:02:35,697 --> 00:02:39,868 cast and crew, friends and family. 35 00:02:40,869 --> 00:02:43,747 - My God, you're shooting from over there? - Why not? 36 00:02:50,212 --> 00:02:53,423 Orson said, "They'll love me when I'm dead." 37 00:02:53,507 --> 00:02:56,176 No, Orson�denied ever saying that. 38 00:02:56,510 --> 00:02:58,637 - It's almost true. - It's not true. 39 00:03:01,014 --> 00:03:03,642 Our movie starts long before things went wrong. 40 00:03:04,434 --> 00:03:06,520 And they did go horribly wrong. 41 00:03:07,312 --> 00:03:09,940 But it begins at a moment of promise for Orson. 42 00:03:10,982 --> 00:03:11,982 Let's watch. 43 00:03:15,779 --> 00:03:16,863 Mr. Orson Welles. 44 00:03:21,993 --> 00:03:23,673 Every time you'd mention his name, 45 00:03:23,787 --> 00:03:25,997 people would say, "What did he do since Citizen Kane?" 46 00:03:26,081 --> 00:03:29,376 Citizen Kane, the greatest motion picture�ever made. 47 00:03:30,001 --> 00:03:31,801 He made such a great movie and then... 48 00:03:31,962 --> 00:03:33,797 "Whatever happened to Orson Welles?" 49 00:03:35,006 --> 00:03:37,968 Every list of great films, many of them lead with Citizen Kane 50 00:03:38,051 --> 00:03:40,721 and say it's the finest film made. 51 00:03:40,929 --> 00:03:41,929 Um... 52 00:03:42,097 --> 00:03:43,890 - Do you�agree? - No, certainly not. 53 00:03:44,474 --> 00:03:46,828 - That's interesting. - My next one�is though, that's the... 54 00:03:46,852 --> 00:03:48,037 - The Magnificent Ambersons? - No. 55 00:03:48,061 --> 00:03:50,522 - The one I'm�preparing at this moment. - Oh, the next one. 56 00:03:50,605 --> 00:03:52,149 That's gonna�make history. 57 00:03:52,232 --> 00:03:55,277 - Could you�give us the title of that? - I haven't�decided what it is yet. 58 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:56,820 Oh! 59 00:04:02,743 --> 00:04:06,663 It would become a last big effort in his lifetime. 60 00:04:06,830 --> 00:04:10,167 The chance to say, "This is my masterpiece." 61 00:04:10,250 --> 00:04:13,587 What will really be the big basic differences between this picture 62 00:04:13,712 --> 00:04:15,255 and anything�else you've ever done? 63 00:04:17,007 --> 00:04:19,843 Because everything else I've ever done has been controlled, 64 00:04:19,926 --> 00:04:21,803 every frame is controlled. 65 00:04:22,763 --> 00:04:26,433 But I would like to take a whole story and make the picture 66 00:04:26,767 --> 00:04:29,644 as though it were a documentary. The actors are gonna be improvising. 67 00:04:30,479 --> 00:04:32,559 Have you done that kind of thing before with other... 68 00:04:32,606 --> 00:04:34,566 Nobody's ever done it before, you know. 69 00:04:34,816 --> 00:04:36,985 But that seems to me like shooting and shooting, 70 00:04:37,068 --> 00:04:40,489 and aren't�you afraid the end result won't have any control? 71 00:04:40,697 --> 00:04:42,457 - I keep... - Not a bit,�no, I really am not. 72 00:04:42,949 --> 00:04:46,870 I can't even�count the number of times I heard Orson say... 73 00:04:46,953 --> 00:04:49,790 The greatest�things in movies are divine accidents. 74 00:04:49,873 --> 00:04:51,291 "Embrace that accident." 75 00:04:51,374 --> 00:04:53,919 And my definition of a film director 76 00:04:54,044 --> 00:04:57,714 is "the man who presides over accidents." 77 00:04:59,257 --> 00:05:00,857 They're these divine accidents. 78 00:05:00,926 --> 00:05:03,136 It's the�only thing that keeps films from being dead. 79 00:05:03,428 --> 00:05:05,764 Every time one would happen, boom! 80 00:05:05,847 --> 00:05:07,474 Genius would�come out. 81 00:05:09,017 --> 00:05:11,728 Everywhere, there are beautiful accidents. 82 00:05:11,812 --> 00:05:14,648 There's a smell in the air, there's a look 83 00:05:14,815 --> 00:05:18,109 that changes�the whole resonance of what you expected. 84 00:05:18,193 --> 00:05:20,570 Sometimes I've had those accidents. 85 00:05:21,738 --> 00:05:25,534 I made a picture in which somebody reached through a window in Touch of Evil, 86 00:05:25,742 --> 00:05:27,869 and found the egg... 87 00:05:31,373 --> 00:05:33,333 And we made a whole scene about it, you know. 88 00:05:34,501 --> 00:05:35,877 But I wanna�go further. 89 00:05:36,545 --> 00:05:39,145 Then on the basis of what you've said,�it sounds as though 90 00:05:39,172 --> 00:05:41,812 the whole thing is going to be a series of your "divine accidents." 91 00:05:43,009 --> 00:05:45,428 - If we're�lucky. - If you're�lucky. 92 00:05:45,512 --> 00:05:48,390 That's right. You know, we're going to go fishing for accidents. 93 00:05:49,307 --> 00:05:51,518 Which I�think can be very exciting, you know? 94 00:05:51,601 --> 00:05:52,644 Yeah, yeah. 95 00:05:56,064 --> 00:05:58,358 Do you feel any kind of resentment 96 00:05:58,441 --> 00:06:03,196 for what�Hollywood did to you, or failed to offer you? 97 00:06:03,780 --> 00:06:06,241 At the time, Orson had lost his ability 98 00:06:06,324 --> 00:06:08,201 to finance his own work in America. 99 00:06:08,326 --> 00:06:11,037 You are in some sense an exile, aren't you? 100 00:06:11,121 --> 00:06:13,582 - You've been�out of America a long time. - Yes, yes. 101 00:06:13,957 --> 00:06:16,459 Orson had�been in Europe for two decades. 102 00:06:17,210 --> 00:06:21,089 Because he felt very betrayed by Hollywood. 103 00:06:22,382 --> 00:06:26,136 I think he was permanently traumatized by Touch of Evil. 104 00:06:28,513 --> 00:06:29,848 The studio said, 105 00:06:29,931 --> 00:06:32,851 "God, Welles is functioning at such a level of brilliance. 106 00:06:32,934 --> 00:06:34,644 We're gonna make film after film with him." 107 00:06:34,728 --> 00:06:36,146 That's what you think. 108 00:06:37,230 --> 00:06:38,982 Then they saw a rough cut of it. 109 00:06:39,274 --> 00:06:41,735 They were so horrified that I was fired. 110 00:06:44,446 --> 00:06:46,865 And nobody's ever explained what horrified them. 111 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,746 After Evil, nobody would touch him. 112 00:06:53,788 --> 00:06:55,040 They really wouldn't. 113 00:06:55,916 --> 00:06:58,251 The popular press had forgotten about him. 114 00:06:58,585 --> 00:07:01,671 People weren't chasing Orson down to work with him. 115 00:07:03,548 --> 00:07:07,677 I think I have to make a very successful box office picture. 116 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,348 I think I'm�getting too old not to have made one. 117 00:07:13,475 --> 00:07:15,977 - Orson needed a comeback film... - And? 118 00:07:16,061 --> 00:07:18,146 ...and it had to be strong. 119 00:07:18,730 --> 00:07:21,483 It's one thing to know what you want, it's another thing 120 00:07:21,942 --> 00:07:24,319 to know how�to go through the door when it opens. 121 00:07:33,995 --> 00:07:37,666 Hollywood was changing in the '70s, changing huge. 122 00:07:39,042 --> 00:07:41,920 The new Hollywood began around '66. 123 00:07:42,337 --> 00:07:44,881 Bonnie and Clyde, Five Easy Pieces. 124 00:07:44,965 --> 00:07:46,132 Easy Rider. 125 00:07:46,216 --> 00:07:48,468 The kids with beards were taking over. 126 00:07:48,551 --> 00:07:52,138 We are children playing games, when we create. 127 00:07:52,222 --> 00:07:55,725 Which is what movies are to me, and what drama is to me, it's a game. 128 00:07:56,267 --> 00:08:00,021 Thirty-five-year-old men had taken over show business. 129 00:08:00,105 --> 00:08:02,315 The studios didn't know anymore what was making money. 130 00:08:02,399 --> 00:08:03,858 The studios were collapsing. 131 00:08:03,942 --> 00:08:06,778 When Warner Brothers stopped making cartoons, it was over. 132 00:08:08,697 --> 00:08:10,031 In the new Hollywood, 133 00:08:10,115 --> 00:08:13,118 everybody had this incredible reverence for Orson Welles. 134 00:08:14,744 --> 00:08:18,415 He was somewhere between Zen master and God. 135 00:08:20,333 --> 00:08:23,213 I mean, sure, Citizen Kane was maybe the greatest film ever made, 136 00:08:23,294 --> 00:08:25,171 but I'm not�even sure it's his best film. 137 00:08:26,464 --> 00:08:28,609 - Lady From Shanghai. - The mirror sequence. 138 00:08:28,633 --> 00:08:30,468 - Oh, wow! - Wow! 139 00:08:31,928 --> 00:08:34,180 How could you even think to do that? 140 00:08:38,560 --> 00:08:41,938 He was a prototypical independent filmmaker. 141 00:08:43,732 --> 00:08:44,816 Oh, my God, yes. 142 00:08:44,899 --> 00:08:47,944 Chimes is�the most perfect film ever made. 143 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,240 The chance to make my films in America's... 144 00:08:52,323 --> 00:08:55,785 has been very hard, but I think it's getting easier. 145 00:08:56,536 --> 00:08:58,538 Pictures are becoming more adventurous. 146 00:08:58,663 --> 00:09:03,668 The opportunities ahead of me are greater, much than they were five years ago. 147 00:09:04,669 --> 00:09:08,965 Orson wanted in because he wanted to do a film about Hollywood. 148 00:09:09,883 --> 00:09:13,219 It was the siren's call that drew Orson back to Hollywood. 149 00:09:13,553 --> 00:09:16,598 And this is where�the story really begins. 150 00:09:17,140 --> 00:09:21,895 In a�bungalow at the Beverly Hills Hotel on the 4th of July, 1970. 151 00:09:24,606 --> 00:09:27,150 One day in 1970, near the 4th of July, 152 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,486 I was at�Schwab's Drugstore in Hollywood. 153 00:09:29,611 --> 00:09:32,197 This is cameraman Gary Graver. 154 00:09:32,864 --> 00:09:37,577 He shot�everything Orson directed for the last 15 years of his life. 155 00:09:38,495 --> 00:09:40,747 Tell us how�you met Orson Welles. 156 00:09:41,289 --> 00:09:44,793 I read in Variety that Orson Welles was at the Beverly Hills Hotel. 157 00:09:45,418 --> 00:09:48,088 I went back to the phone booth, called him up... 158 00:09:50,006 --> 00:09:52,634 ...and to my surprise, he answered the phone. 159 00:09:52,717 --> 00:09:56,513 - "Hello?" I said, "Oh, Orson Welles?" - Hello? 160 00:09:56,596 --> 00:09:59,099 I said, "I'm Gary Graver, I'm an American cameraman." 161 00:09:59,182 --> 00:10:01,368 - Come and�talk to me. - "I've got to talk to you." 162 00:10:01,392 --> 00:10:03,103 I want to�talk to you now! 163 00:10:03,186 --> 00:10:05,626 And he said, "Get over to the Beverly Hills Hotel right away." 164 00:10:06,564 --> 00:10:07,398 Wow! 165 00:10:07,482 --> 00:10:11,486 I raced over to the Beverly Hills Hotel, knocked on the door,�and there was Orson. 166 00:10:12,570 --> 00:10:15,615 - I said, "I'd like to work with you." - Why? 167 00:10:15,740 --> 00:10:19,202 Orson said, "We'll make some tests, and if I like what you do, 168 00:10:19,285 --> 00:10:20,662 we'll start a script." 169 00:10:20,954 --> 00:10:22,789 And I was�very nervous about it. 170 00:10:22,872 --> 00:10:26,126 Cut. Go back again. Stop it! Gary, you must listen to me. 171 00:10:27,127 --> 00:10:30,797 The tests, as you see here, are shots of Orson 172 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,509 sitting in�the Beverly Hills Hotel bungalow that�he rented, 173 00:10:34,801 --> 00:10:36,136 and I was shooting him. 174 00:10:36,469 --> 00:10:39,264 He said, "You're the second cameraman that's called me up. 175 00:10:40,265 --> 00:10:42,767 The first one was Gregg Toland on Citizen Kane." 176 00:10:43,184 --> 00:10:44,352 He says, "Now you. 177 00:10:45,186 --> 00:10:46,563 So, it must mean good luck. 178 00:10:47,522 --> 00:10:49,232 I would like to work with you." 179 00:10:50,275 --> 00:10:52,569 And we began to make a movie called: 180 00:10:52,652 --> 00:10:54,612 The Other Side of the Wind. 181 00:10:58,074 --> 00:11:00,034 The Other Side of the Wind. What is that? 182 00:11:00,994 --> 00:11:04,622 You could drive yourself nuts trying to get an answer to that one. 183 00:11:06,291 --> 00:11:10,461 The conceit of this movie is that it is actually two movies in one. 184 00:11:11,504 --> 00:11:15,341 The Other Side of the Wind is divided into two sections. 185 00:11:15,842 --> 00:11:19,470 There is the film which is made by documentary cameramen, 186 00:11:20,013 --> 00:11:24,017 which is the story of the last day of the director's life. 187 00:11:25,894 --> 00:11:29,063 And there is the film which is made by the director, 188 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,317 which has�just broken down for lack of funds. 189 00:11:33,526 --> 00:11:37,363 And these�two stories almost simultaneously move together. 190 00:11:39,115 --> 00:11:42,994 So, what is this film about? 191 00:11:43,119 --> 00:11:49,083 - It's the story of an old director. - Yeah? 192 00:11:49,167 --> 00:11:54,881 A generation even older than me. It's difficult to imagine that. 193 00:11:56,883 --> 00:12:00,303 The Other�Side of the Wind is a movie about an aging film director. 194 00:12:00,386 --> 00:12:03,890 The darling�of Hollywood who fell out of favor. 195 00:12:03,973 --> 00:12:05,892 The great American film artist... 196 00:12:05,975 --> 00:12:07,953 That gets rejected in Hollywood, goes to Europe... 197 00:12:07,977 --> 00:12:09,646 And comes�back to Hollywood. 198 00:12:09,729 --> 00:12:12,065 It was a�thinly-veiled version of himself. 199 00:12:12,148 --> 00:12:15,860 Okay. Would�that make him an autobiographical character for you? 200 00:12:15,944 --> 00:12:19,239 No. Everybody will think it's autobiographical, but it's not. 201 00:12:19,739 --> 00:12:21,032 Yeah. Bullshit. 202 00:12:21,616 --> 00:12:24,176 - Of course it is. - It must be autobiographical. 203 00:12:24,202 --> 00:12:25,429 A hundred percent Orson. 204 00:12:25,453 --> 00:12:28,623 No doubt�it's an autobiographical movie. 205 00:12:29,457 --> 00:12:30,667 He hated that. 206 00:12:31,084 --> 00:12:34,295 He didn't�want to be analyzed through his films. 207 00:12:36,673 --> 00:12:38,049 Ten-hut! 208 00:12:39,008 --> 00:12:41,427 Actually, The Other Side of the Wind started 209 00:12:41,511 --> 00:12:43,638 because of a conversation I had with Orson. 210 00:12:43,721 --> 00:12:44,931 Who is this�man? 211 00:12:45,431 --> 00:12:48,643 Peter Bogdanovich started as a film historian. 212 00:12:48,726 --> 00:12:50,603 And Orson, he was my hero. 213 00:12:51,104 --> 00:12:54,399 He said, "Isn't it a pity you can't do a nice little book about me?" 214 00:12:55,191 --> 00:12:57,402 I said, "I'd be happy to do an interview�book with you." 215 00:12:57,485 --> 00:12:58,685 He said, "Fine, let's do it." 216 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:01,280 And he�said... 217 00:13:01,406 --> 00:13:03,908 You know why I was sleepless last night? 218 00:13:03,992 --> 00:13:04,826 Why? 219 00:13:04,909 --> 00:13:07,954 I've got a story that I've worked on for many years. 220 00:13:08,079 --> 00:13:11,124 I said, "What's that?" "Well, it's about an older film director 221 00:13:11,207 --> 00:13:14,252 and a young film director, and the betrayal 222 00:13:14,752 --> 00:13:16,170 of their�friendship." 223 00:13:17,297 --> 00:13:18,381 Not that it�matters. 224 00:13:18,715 --> 00:13:22,760 I am crazy enough to do that in preference to anything else. 225 00:13:23,303 --> 00:13:25,823 - Oughta make it right away. - Right away. 226 00:13:25,847 --> 00:13:27,265 "I must make it now." 227 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:32,228 Cut. 228 00:13:37,775 --> 00:13:41,446 He calls me up and he says, "What are you doing Thursday?" 229 00:13:41,988 --> 00:13:45,033 And I said,�"I'm going to Texas to start my first film." 230 00:13:51,247 --> 00:13:53,041 But this was before all that. 231 00:13:53,958 --> 00:13:56,377 Orson said, "What time is your plane?" 232 00:13:56,586 --> 00:13:58,046 I said, "Three o'clock." 233 00:13:58,129 --> 00:14:02,592 He said, "Can you meet me at noon where the planes fly low over the�street?" 234 00:14:02,842 --> 00:14:04,635 I said, "Yeah, okay. What are we doing?" 235 00:14:04,761 --> 00:14:07,201 "I'll tell you about it when I see you. Just meet me at noon." 236 00:14:09,307 --> 00:14:11,410 - Take one, second... - Let me announce it. 237 00:14:11,434 --> 00:14:13,770 Bus Studio,�Scene 55, Take one! 238 00:14:14,896 --> 00:14:16,105 The mic all right? 239 00:14:16,189 --> 00:14:19,275 At first, he had me playing a cineaste, 240 00:14:19,567 --> 00:14:21,167 you know,�a guy who writes about movies. 241 00:14:22,570 --> 00:14:24,530 Mr. Hannaford? Uh, Mr. Hannaford. 242 00:14:24,614 --> 00:14:27,742 Jake Hannaford's the leading character, an old director. 243 00:14:28,242 --> 00:14:31,079 Mr. Hannaford, uh, in the body of your film work, 244 00:14:31,245 --> 00:14:35,083 how significantly would you relate the trauma of your father's suicide? 245 00:14:35,458 --> 00:14:38,544 Orson had me do it like Jerry Lewis. And it was like, 246 00:14:38,795 --> 00:14:41,798 "Mr. Hannaford, do you think that the cinema is like a phallus?" 247 00:14:42,673 --> 00:14:44,509 Orson thought that was hilarious. 248 00:14:45,385 --> 00:14:49,639 I did some stuff like Jerry and broke myself up. 249 00:14:49,722 --> 00:14:50,890 He said, "Don't laugh!" 250 00:14:51,474 --> 00:14:52,975 He wanted�a free train. 251 00:14:53,976 --> 00:14:55,728 All right, come back! Come back! 252 00:14:55,812 --> 00:14:57,105 Sun got in the lens. 253 00:14:59,232 --> 00:15:00,232 Mr. Hannaford! 254 00:15:00,650 --> 00:15:01,650 Mr. Hannaford? 255 00:15:05,738 --> 00:15:07,156 It's a crazy picture. 256 00:15:07,323 --> 00:15:09,867 It's not a work of fiction, it's a little of everything. 257 00:15:10,243 --> 00:15:12,578 You either hate it or loathe it, like most people. 258 00:15:14,205 --> 00:15:16,416 It's kind of a departure in moviemaking. 259 00:15:19,836 --> 00:15:22,547 The Other Side of the Wind is structured around a party 260 00:15:22,630 --> 00:15:24,924 being thrown for the director, Jake Hannaford. 261 00:15:25,508 --> 00:15:27,552 This gives him a chance to assert his relevance 262 00:15:27,635 --> 00:15:31,264 amongst the biggest names of the new Hollywood movement. 263 00:15:32,014 --> 00:15:34,725 Orson began shooting fragments of this scene, 264 00:15:34,809 --> 00:15:38,980 and would continue to do so for the next five years. 265 00:15:41,607 --> 00:15:43,484 Chabrol, take one! 266 00:15:45,069 --> 00:15:48,739 During the�party scenes, Orson wanted to have actual filmmakers... 267 00:15:49,198 --> 00:15:50,198 Thanks. 268 00:15:50,283 --> 00:15:51,993 ...on camera. 269 00:15:52,201 --> 00:15:54,287 - But then... - For Henry and Paul! 270 00:15:55,079 --> 00:15:57,623 Roll five, take one. 271 00:15:57,832 --> 00:16:00,334 He wanted a�fight of two young directors. 272 00:16:00,418 --> 00:16:03,713 - Don't condescend... Don't patronize me. - Let me�finish. Well, let me finish. 273 00:16:03,796 --> 00:16:05,524 - If you're really an honest man... - Can I talk�to him? 274 00:16:05,548 --> 00:16:07,985 - Yeah, but if�you're an honest man... - May I speak with him or not? 275 00:16:08,009 --> 00:16:10,011 Uh, Dennis Hopper showed up. 276 00:16:10,178 --> 00:16:14,891 Dennis Hopper, filmmaker, extraordinary leading actor. 277 00:16:15,016 --> 00:16:17,351 He got incredibly stoned... 278 00:16:17,435 --> 00:16:19,353 ...and was�debating Jake Hannaford. 279 00:16:19,812 --> 00:16:22,356 - Jake, everybody knows about you. - Yeah, I know. 280 00:16:23,065 --> 00:16:26,068 With the lead role of Jake Hannaford not yet cast, 281 00:16:26,486 --> 00:16:29,363 Welles played the role of the director off camera. 282 00:16:30,406 --> 00:16:32,783 Do you believe movies are also magic? 283 00:16:32,950 --> 00:16:34,660 Right. 284 00:16:34,744 --> 00:16:37,622 When Elvis Presley was 21, he came to me and said... 285 00:16:38,164 --> 00:16:41,167 he's gotta do this fight scene. He says, "I've never hit a woman before. 286 00:16:41,250 --> 00:16:42,960 Gotta hit Debra Paget." 287 00:16:43,753 --> 00:16:46,339 And I said, "But you don't really hit people in movies." 288 00:16:46,422 --> 00:16:49,926 He says, "I suppose you're gonna say�they don't really shoot real�bullets at people. 289 00:16:50,009 --> 00:16:51,886 I've seen�the wood splinter off the wall." 290 00:16:51,969 --> 00:16:53,221 - He said�that? - Yeah. 291 00:16:53,888 --> 00:16:56,432 Yeah, but aren't you confusing reality with magic? 292 00:16:56,516 --> 00:17:00,603 In other�words,�I believe people will believe anything in movies. 293 00:17:02,522 --> 00:17:06,108 Reality is�always poor, weak stuff compared to magic. 294 00:17:09,070 --> 00:17:10,988 Orson was a big believer in magic. 295 00:17:11,155 --> 00:17:15,535 The idea�that maybe... maybe what you see isn't real. 296 00:17:16,452 --> 00:17:20,456 You may have wondered why I look so peculiar on the television. 297 00:17:21,332 --> 00:17:23,793 And it's partly, I must confess to you, 298 00:17:24,877 --> 00:17:27,129 the fact that�you see my nose as it is. 299 00:17:30,591 --> 00:17:32,468 He's really a very handsome man. 300 00:17:32,552 --> 00:17:35,471 He always hides it with different noses. He doesn't like it, 301 00:17:35,555 --> 00:17:38,140 he thinks it's too weak-looking or something. I love his nose. 302 00:17:38,599 --> 00:17:40,309 He changes noses? Oh. 303 00:17:41,811 --> 00:17:44,939 In most of the films that I appear in, I put on a false nose, 304 00:17:45,606 --> 00:17:47,608 usually as�large as I can find. 305 00:17:49,694 --> 00:17:52,196 He said, "All my life, I've hidden behind masks." 306 00:17:52,613 --> 00:17:56,117 And he had created a wall with these masks, 307 00:17:57,076 --> 00:17:58,869 hiding the�real Orson. 308 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,255 The Other Side of the Wind is entirely masked. 309 00:18:10,172 --> 00:18:11,340 In other words, 310 00:18:12,091 --> 00:18:14,802 the party shot by a documentary crew 311 00:18:14,885 --> 00:18:18,055 is in a style that wouldn't have been my style as a movie director. 312 00:18:18,347 --> 00:18:22,268 And the movie within a movie is an impersonation by me 313 00:18:22,727 --> 00:18:26,689 of my director character trying to make an art movie. 314 00:18:27,607 --> 00:18:29,066 It's not my film. 315 00:18:29,150 --> 00:18:31,152 - It's a film by the character. - Yes! 316 00:18:31,861 --> 00:18:34,405 You will see the movie within a movie 317 00:18:34,488 --> 00:18:36,699 is not a movie I would ever have made. 318 00:18:37,783 --> 00:18:38,826 There was no plot. 319 00:18:39,118 --> 00:18:42,788 Essentially it was about my character chasing a girl, 320 00:18:43,039 --> 00:18:44,957 chasing her around or something. 321 00:18:45,124 --> 00:18:47,001 A little game of "catch me if you can." 322 00:18:47,084 --> 00:18:49,920 It was pretty clear the film that Hannaford's making 323 00:18:50,588 --> 00:18:55,384 is Orson's�attempt�to satirize European atmospheric cinema. 324 00:18:55,593 --> 00:18:57,511 Which was�popular back in the '60s. 325 00:19:01,140 --> 00:19:03,517 And it was very amusing to make, 326 00:19:03,601 --> 00:19:06,062 because I had the freedom, the joy, 327 00:19:06,479 --> 00:19:10,358 to make a film that is not a film by Orson Welles. 328 00:19:11,776 --> 00:19:12,610 Yes. 329 00:19:12,693 --> 00:19:15,488 Because it's a film made with a mask. 330 00:19:17,490 --> 00:19:19,033 With this film, 331 00:19:19,408 --> 00:19:22,203 Mr. Welles is a professional who's become an amateur. 332 00:19:23,162 --> 00:19:24,205 And it�worked. 333 00:19:25,414 --> 00:19:28,417 Pretty much everything he was doing was to save money. 334 00:19:29,377 --> 00:19:31,879 Because Orson paid for the shoot himself. 335 00:19:33,589 --> 00:19:36,384 Gary Graver provided him with a small, proper crew. 336 00:19:36,467 --> 00:19:38,010 Oh, boy! 337 00:19:40,262 --> 00:19:44,767 By the way, Frank Marshall, producer of Indiana Jones, 338 00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:47,645 - wasn't he part of the crew? - Yeah. 339 00:19:48,062 --> 00:19:51,732 It was before I understood what a producer did. 340 00:19:52,566 --> 00:19:55,444 There's a glorious sense of freedom and innocence 341 00:19:55,528 --> 00:19:58,614 that Welles�was always yearning for. 342 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,284 Because they were making things up as they went along. 343 00:20:04,203 --> 00:20:06,956 We have an entire crew who would let him do anything. 344 00:20:07,456 --> 00:20:10,000 The only one who didn't give him any flak was Oja. 345 00:20:10,543 --> 00:20:11,544 Her name... 346 00:20:13,003 --> 00:20:15,256 is Oja. Oja Kodar. 347 00:20:17,299 --> 00:20:19,593 The star and the co-writer 348 00:20:19,677 --> 00:20:24,473 of the movie within the movie was a young Croatian artist, Oja Kodar. 349 00:20:25,433 --> 00:20:27,309 She was also Orson's lover. 350 00:20:28,602 --> 00:20:31,856 Orson just loved Oja, it was the love of his life. 351 00:20:32,606 --> 00:20:35,901 And he considered her an artistic collaborator. 352 00:20:37,236 --> 00:20:39,905 When we first met... 353 00:20:40,531 --> 00:20:41,531 um... 354 00:20:43,409 --> 00:20:44,785 I was very young... 355 00:20:45,494 --> 00:20:47,621 To me, he looked somehow menacing. 356 00:20:49,248 --> 00:20:50,875 With his cape... 357 00:20:51,333 --> 00:20:54,086 he was a personification of the wind itself. 358 00:20:55,296 --> 00:20:57,548 But I knew the other side of this wind. 359 00:20:58,382 --> 00:21:02,344 Because Orson was the wind that was capable of caressing you, 360 00:21:02,428 --> 00:21:05,556 lifting you, making you dance. 361 00:21:05,765 --> 00:21:07,183 Time for a confession. 362 00:21:07,558 --> 00:21:11,228 - Um... he was also married. - Good night, Oja. 363 00:21:11,479 --> 00:21:13,481 Olga... I call her Olga. 364 00:21:13,606 --> 00:21:15,232 That's her real name, you know? 365 00:21:15,524 --> 00:21:19,612 My father was fascinated by this double life. 366 00:21:20,738 --> 00:21:23,199 It became intriguing and it was not boring, 367 00:21:23,699 --> 00:21:25,826 this unbelievable double life. 368 00:21:27,453 --> 00:21:29,705 Why my mother stayed married, I'll never know. 369 00:21:30,539 --> 00:21:33,042 But... that's her choice. 370 00:21:35,294 --> 00:21:38,172 We'll leave Miss Kodar aside, for the moment. 371 00:21:41,801 --> 00:21:44,970 Orson had been shooting this material for years 372 00:21:45,095 --> 00:21:48,182 with his own money, in the hopes that he could raise more�money 373 00:21:48,265 --> 00:21:50,392 to finish when people saw what he was�shooting. 374 00:21:50,643 --> 00:21:55,356 But I don't think he tried to get funding from the studios at first. 375 00:21:57,775 --> 00:22:02,071 In fact, Orson was sneaking into abandoned studio backlots 376 00:22:02,154 --> 00:22:05,157 under assumed names and filming�an elaborate critique 377 00:22:05,574 --> 00:22:06,867 of Hollywood itself. 378 00:22:08,786 --> 00:22:09,954 Was it vengeance? 379 00:22:12,206 --> 00:22:15,209 The Magnificent Ambersons was the beginning 380 00:22:15,292 --> 00:22:19,672 of what we can call... the period of betrayal. 381 00:22:20,214 --> 00:22:24,134 My father was betrayed by a lot of people. 382 00:22:24,885 --> 00:22:27,555 Did he bring that on himself? Who knows? 383 00:22:28,681 --> 00:22:29,681 Maybe. 384 00:22:31,684 --> 00:22:34,103 Whilst editing The Magnificent Ambersons, 385 00:22:34,186 --> 00:22:37,147 Orson was practically ordered by the US government 386 00:22:37,231 --> 00:22:39,984 to go to�Brazil to make a documentary. 387 00:22:40,484 --> 00:22:42,278 And so I arranged to film 388 00:22:43,070 --> 00:22:44,572 a voodoo witch doctor. 389 00:22:44,697 --> 00:22:47,575 And I came back to the office and found that, on my desk, 390 00:22:47,741 --> 00:22:49,410 in a script of the film... 391 00:22:50,911 --> 00:22:52,663 was a long, steel needle. 392 00:22:54,623 --> 00:22:56,375 This was the mark of the voodoo. 393 00:22:59,336 --> 00:23:01,672 While I was in South America, 394 00:23:01,964 --> 00:23:04,049 the studio previewed Ambersons 395 00:23:04,258 --> 00:23:06,176 and said it was too down-beat. 396 00:23:06,719 --> 00:23:08,971 And they�started cutting it. 397 00:23:09,597 --> 00:23:13,267 The editor used to send him telegrams saying, 398 00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:15,561 "Come back from Brazil. 399 00:23:16,312 --> 00:23:20,524 They are re-shooting The Ambersons. We are all under contract. 400 00:23:20,608 --> 00:23:24,987 We can do nothing against that. You are the only one who can stop that. 401 00:23:25,279 --> 00:23:26,322 Come back." 402 00:23:27,573 --> 00:23:28,573 And he�didn't. 403 00:23:30,159 --> 00:23:31,827 I was fired by the studio. 404 00:23:32,578 --> 00:23:34,663 I never recovered from that attack. 405 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,750 They destroyed Ambersons 406 00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:40,377 and destroyed me. 407 00:23:42,004 --> 00:23:44,965 I didn't get a job as a director for years afterwards. 408 00:23:48,177 --> 00:23:50,971 He was considered somebody who didn't care that much 409 00:23:51,055 --> 00:23:53,140 about the commerciality of a project 410 00:23:53,641 --> 00:23:54,892 by many in Hollywood. 411 00:23:55,726 --> 00:24:00,189 Therefore, Orson needed to get financing from untraditional sources. 412 00:24:00,564 --> 00:24:02,942 And, eventually, it worked. 413 00:24:03,943 --> 00:24:06,445 But, regarding the money, it's complicated. 414 00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:10,950 When I was there, it was a Spanish�producer... 415 00:24:11,033 --> 00:24:13,285 - Andr�s G�mez. - Right, Andr�s G�mez. 416 00:24:13,535 --> 00:24:17,581 I was not a�financier of the film, but I did find some money. 417 00:24:18,123 --> 00:24:20,709 We had some money from G�mez, but we needed more. 418 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,713 So, Orson found French producer Dominique Antoine. 419 00:24:24,797 --> 00:24:27,257 Yeah, so I had the money at that time 420 00:24:27,341 --> 00:24:30,678 because I�had made an association with the brother-in-law of the Shah. 421 00:24:30,761 --> 00:24:32,012 The Shah of Iran. 422 00:24:32,221 --> 00:24:33,847 And he had a dictatorship. 423 00:24:34,181 --> 00:24:37,351 The brother-in-law and I created together 424 00:24:37,434 --> 00:24:39,436 a company called Les Films de L' Astrophore. 425 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:40,771 L' Astrophore. 426 00:24:40,854 --> 00:24:43,691 The Iranian�company that was Paris-based. 427 00:24:44,525 --> 00:24:48,612 So, I said to Orson, "The Other Side of the Wind,�of course�we do it." 428 00:24:51,281 --> 00:24:54,660 I believe she came with a satchel full of money. 429 00:24:54,743 --> 00:24:57,371 Orson was like the Cat of Cheshire. 430 00:24:57,454 --> 00:25:02,209 With a smile from one ear to the other one. And he was purring. 431 00:25:07,423 --> 00:25:09,758 - Money makes miracles. - Yeah. 432 00:25:10,384 --> 00:25:12,219 Yeah. 433 00:25:12,928 --> 00:25:14,680 You're a bad boy, and you know it. 434 00:25:16,473 --> 00:25:17,473 Confused? 435 00:25:18,434 --> 00:25:21,478 Don't worry about it. It's not the most important thing. 436 00:25:21,895 --> 00:25:23,313 What is important 437 00:25:23,605 --> 00:25:27,067 is that Orson finally had the money for his comeback film. 438 00:25:28,027 --> 00:25:30,696 What he didn't have was a leading man. 439 00:25:33,741 --> 00:25:36,243 I remember one time we were in Paris, 440 00:25:36,452 --> 00:25:39,955 and he'd already shot a lot of footage without the leading character. 441 00:25:40,330 --> 00:25:42,082 Would you play the director? 442 00:25:42,499 --> 00:25:44,626 Who should play it is John Huston. 443 00:25:46,587 --> 00:25:48,797 Huston is the best, and I'm the second best. 444 00:25:49,131 --> 00:25:51,884 If I can't get Huston, there's nobody else but me. 445 00:25:51,967 --> 00:25:52,967 Yeah. 446 00:25:53,093 --> 00:25:55,813 And he's sort of pacing up and down the street, saying, 447 00:25:55,929 --> 00:25:59,224 "But why should I give it to Huston? It's a great part, I should play it myself." 448 00:26:01,643 --> 00:26:03,145 If I should ever... 449 00:26:03,937 --> 00:26:07,357 get close enough to the pearly gates to have an argument 450 00:26:07,441 --> 00:26:09,151 with the man who opens them, 451 00:26:09,818 --> 00:26:13,280 I would suggest that the reason to let me into heaven 452 00:26:13,405 --> 00:26:15,741 is that I�didn't play that wonderful part. 453 00:26:18,243 --> 00:26:20,454 And gave it instead to John Huston. 454 00:26:20,913 --> 00:26:24,583 It's a piece�of unselfishness which I have regretted�ever since. 455 00:26:29,505 --> 00:26:33,008 John Huston�was the sexiest old devil I ever met. 456 00:26:35,260 --> 00:26:36,512 I'm trying to live... 457 00:26:37,554 --> 00:26:40,015 live life as�best as I possibly can. 458 00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:42,893 Why'd he want John Huston? 459 00:26:43,393 --> 00:26:45,604 They loved�each other, they were brothers! 460 00:26:47,898 --> 00:26:51,193 The thing about Orson Welles and my dad is that they were really 461 00:26:51,735 --> 00:26:54,446 able to live up to their own mythology 462 00:26:55,197 --> 00:26:57,241 and camp�that up a little bit. 463 00:26:58,909 --> 00:27:02,162 It is a lot of smoke and mirrors. You don't know what's real and what's not. 464 00:27:02,246 --> 00:27:03,872 And that's�what they're playing with. 465 00:27:05,332 --> 00:27:09,419 They'd known each other for so many�years, and they were both rapscallions. 466 00:27:10,796 --> 00:27:12,506 John loved Orson Welles. 467 00:27:16,885 --> 00:27:18,971 And he received a call one morning, 468 00:27:19,054 --> 00:27:22,057 and he said, "Oh, my God!" And I said, "What?" He said, "It's Orson. 469 00:27:24,643 --> 00:27:27,563 He wants me�to come to Carefree, Arizona." 470 00:27:38,115 --> 00:27:40,742 Gary called me at about 10:00 at night. 471 00:27:40,868 --> 00:27:44,079 "Mike, can you be in Arizona tomorrow?" 472 00:27:44,163 --> 00:27:46,331 "Orson's putting together a ten-day shoot." 473 00:27:46,415 --> 00:27:49,042 Would I come down for ten days. He needed me. 474 00:27:49,126 --> 00:27:52,296 To go to the desert in the middle of nowhere. 475 00:27:52,379 --> 00:27:55,340 "It's gonna be like summer camp, I don't know if there's any money. 476 00:27:55,424 --> 00:27:58,135 - Are you interested?" - And I said, "Yes." 477 00:27:58,218 --> 00:27:59,978 - "Yeah. That sounds like fun." - Absolutely. 478 00:28:00,053 --> 00:28:02,014 I'm in my�car driving to Arizona. 479 00:28:02,472 --> 00:28:05,642 I suddenly�looked up and there was the Zabriskie Point house. 480 00:28:07,686 --> 00:28:10,731 It's clearly no coincidence 481 00:28:10,814 --> 00:28:14,193 that the location that Orson chose to shoot in Arizona 482 00:28:14,818 --> 00:28:17,446 is in fact the house next door 483 00:28:17,529 --> 00:28:20,949 to the house�Antonioni blew up in Zabriskie Point. 484 00:28:24,620 --> 00:28:26,496 On The Other Side of the Wind, 485 00:28:26,580 --> 00:28:28,832 Orson wanted to push further than Antonioni. 486 00:28:29,875 --> 00:28:32,961 Orson was the ultimate independent filmmaker. 487 00:28:34,588 --> 00:28:36,882 I was part of a core crew, not of 80, 488 00:28:37,466 --> 00:28:40,135 but of six�people plus Orson. 489 00:28:40,969 --> 00:28:43,722 He wanted to be in a kind of circus. 490 00:28:44,973 --> 00:28:46,600 Full of�young people. 491 00:28:47,309 --> 00:28:49,937 I fell right in the vat of cream. 492 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,200 You know, I fell right in the middle of it. 493 00:28:53,065 --> 00:28:56,235 For me to have the luck to work with Orson Welles, 494 00:28:56,902 --> 00:29:01,240 oh, it was so exciting, even when it was difficult. 495 00:29:06,578 --> 00:29:09,122 I mean, the first day of shooting, he fired the sound man. 496 00:29:09,623 --> 00:29:12,501 Can you please just slow down? Otherwise I'm going to fall off the car. 497 00:29:14,586 --> 00:29:16,797 Everybody's job was really difficult. 498 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,591 I had built sets, schlep sets, hung lights. 499 00:29:19,675 --> 00:29:22,886 This young kid, so anxious to get this thing for Orson 500 00:29:22,970 --> 00:29:26,181 - that he ran through the plate glass. - Shattered it. 501 00:29:26,390 --> 00:29:28,100 Fortunately, I was going so fast... 502 00:29:28,183 --> 00:29:30,602 He was in the living room before the pieces of glass 503 00:29:30,686 --> 00:29:33,689 had finished cascading down to the�floor. 504 00:29:34,273 --> 00:29:36,400 - Oh, it's great. - It was�crazy. 505 00:29:36,483 --> 00:29:37,859 It is insane, 506 00:29:38,402 --> 00:29:42,030 but it's the kind of thing that happens to people who are working like Orson. 507 00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:46,410 I picked John Huston up at the airport in Phoenix. 508 00:29:47,744 --> 00:29:49,955 I said, "Mr. Huston, I'm thrilled you're here." 509 00:29:50,163 --> 00:29:53,166 I said, "We've been waiting for you for three years to be in this film. 510 00:29:53,250 --> 00:29:56,420 We've been shooting around you." And Huston looked really alarmed. He said, 511 00:29:57,254 --> 00:29:59,881 "You've been acting in this picture for three years?" 512 00:30:01,633 --> 00:30:03,385 Write that�down, somebody. 513 00:30:06,596 --> 00:30:07,596 Cut. 514 00:30:07,931 --> 00:30:10,142 - I fucked�that up. - Let�s do it once again. 515 00:30:10,225 --> 00:30:12,602 The little campier still, but masculine. 516 00:30:13,437 --> 00:30:14,437 Once again. 517 00:30:15,522 --> 00:30:18,900 The Other Side of the Wind is not a complete departure for Orson. 518 00:30:19,192 --> 00:30:20,902 And it reflected 519 00:30:20,986 --> 00:30:25,365 the process�that Orson had been going through in Europe in making his own films. 520 00:30:26,074 --> 00:30:27,701 Welles' exile had meant 521 00:30:27,784 --> 00:30:30,454 that he was exiled from the facilities of Hollywood. 522 00:30:31,330 --> 00:30:33,373 I have a different style as a director, 523 00:30:33,874 --> 00:30:35,876 because I know of things I can't ask for. 524 00:30:36,626 --> 00:30:38,462 For example, with Othello, 525 00:30:38,754 --> 00:30:42,049 there's a fight scene where a punch is thrown, 526 00:30:42,341 --> 00:30:44,217 but then production had to shut down 527 00:30:44,301 --> 00:30:47,012 while Orson went off to make more money�as an�actor. 528 00:30:47,637 --> 00:30:50,932 And the reaction shot of the guy getting punched 529 00:30:51,475 --> 00:30:54,895 was shot two years later and a thousand miles away. 530 00:30:57,022 --> 00:30:58,065 It worked. 531 00:30:59,274 --> 00:31:01,114 Who would've thought that was possible? 532 00:31:10,035 --> 00:31:11,078 Good evening. 533 00:31:11,787 --> 00:31:12,788 Now... 534 00:31:13,330 --> 00:31:17,250 the first thing you're probably asking yourself is, "What is Orson Welles 535 00:31:18,251 --> 00:31:20,003 doing as the�host of a comedy show?" 536 00:31:21,755 --> 00:31:27,094 I met Orson on Kopykats, a show we did with a bunch�of impersonators. 537 00:31:27,177 --> 00:31:28,845 Starring Rich Little. 538 00:31:29,012 --> 00:31:32,432 I was in the studio doing a routine 539 00:31:32,724 --> 00:31:35,519 called "Famous Celebrity Sneezing." 540 00:31:39,231 --> 00:31:41,733 I said, "Orson Welles, sneezing." 541 00:31:41,942 --> 00:31:45,862 I did not know that he'd just come into the studio. I went... 542 00:31:46,530 --> 00:31:49,574 "Aah-aah-choo." 543 00:31:50,367 --> 00:31:52,911 And he put his arm on my shoulder and said... 544 00:31:53,745 --> 00:31:55,831 "I never sneeze." 545 00:31:59,418 --> 00:32:00,418 We clicked. 546 00:32:00,836 --> 00:32:04,047 Well, gee, Orson, I don't know how this show could afford you. 547 00:32:13,473 --> 00:32:17,936 He phoned me at home, and told me about this movie, Other Side of the Wind, 548 00:32:18,353 --> 00:32:22,566 and would I be interested in playing a wide-eyed, young director. 549 00:32:23,567 --> 00:32:25,610 I said, "Well, great. 550 00:32:25,694 --> 00:32:30,198 Just on one condition. That I have to shoot my scenes in about three weeks." 551 00:32:30,490 --> 00:32:35,245 He said,�"Oh, no, no. I'll probably need you for about a week." 552 00:32:37,789 --> 00:32:39,958 When I was introduced to John Huston, 553 00:32:40,041 --> 00:32:44,087 Orson went up to him and said, "John, this�is Rich Little. 554 00:32:44,421 --> 00:32:48,550 He's one of the world's greatest impressionists." 555 00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:50,719 And John Huston said: 556 00:32:50,886 --> 00:32:54,347 "Oh, well, then we're gonna get along fine, 557 00:32:54,431 --> 00:32:57,017 because I'm into art, you know." 558 00:32:58,310 --> 00:33:01,021 "No, no, not that kind of impressionist. 559 00:33:01,688 --> 00:33:02,856 He does voices." 560 00:33:05,108 --> 00:33:08,653 "Why would he do that? Why couldn't they get the real people?" 561 00:33:13,950 --> 00:33:16,244 Orson populated the film with characters 562 00:33:16,328 --> 00:33:18,622 based on the icons of the film community. 563 00:33:19,873 --> 00:33:21,917 Like screenwriter John Milius. 564 00:33:23,043 --> 00:33:24,753 Film critic Pauline Kael. 565 00:33:25,337 --> 00:33:28,131 I just want to know what he represents. 566 00:33:28,215 --> 00:33:31,635 And the head of Paramount Pictures, Robert Evans. 567 00:33:32,594 --> 00:33:35,597 I started to�figure out that Rich Little's supposed to be Peter. 568 00:33:37,724 --> 00:33:42,729 The character was a young, successful director who did imitations. 569 00:33:42,896 --> 00:33:44,773 And that's�what Peter did. 570 00:33:45,315 --> 00:33:46,566 I'm Peter�Bogdanovich. 571 00:33:47,275 --> 00:33:49,778 What's the word I say? Oh, action! 572 00:33:50,946 --> 00:33:55,283 And so then I started to think, "Well, is John Huston supposed to be Orson?" 573 00:33:56,409 --> 00:34:00,080 I remember�thinking, �Oh, my gosh, this is starting to get really weird.� 574 00:34:02,374 --> 00:34:04,918 I can remember one time we shot a scene... 575 00:34:05,377 --> 00:34:06,377 Brooksie. 576 00:34:06,586 --> 00:34:09,714 - Right here�by your side, skipper. - You know�what I'd like for my birthday? 577 00:34:10,715 --> 00:34:11,715 Cut. 578 00:34:12,092 --> 00:34:13,510 John couldn't drive. 579 00:34:14,469 --> 00:34:16,596 And he never�told us this. 580 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,390 - My camera's gone out. - Oh, Jesus! 581 00:34:18,515 --> 00:34:21,395 - Certainly, it was a stick-shift. - Give me the�magazine, quick! 582 00:34:21,768 --> 00:34:24,288 And I was kinda worried, 'cause I had to return the car. 583 00:34:24,354 --> 00:34:26,064 - It's stopped. - The magazine�jammed. 584 00:34:26,147 --> 00:34:27,482 The car�stopped, too. 585 00:34:29,818 --> 00:34:33,029 Let's put it in drive. In "D." 586 00:34:33,905 --> 00:34:36,305 It looked like we were gonna go right into the lake. 587 00:34:37,659 --> 00:34:38,743 John said to me, 588 00:34:39,077 --> 00:34:41,705 "Oh, Rich, you'll get good billing." 589 00:34:41,788 --> 00:34:45,834 'Orson Welles, John Huston, and Rich Little, 590 00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:48,044 all drowned'." 591 00:34:53,717 --> 00:34:56,678 This is a picture about the love of death. 592 00:34:57,178 --> 00:34:59,139 You came to my party after all. 593 00:35:00,098 --> 00:35:01,766 Get in. I'll drive you. 594 00:35:09,524 --> 00:35:12,485 This is Jake Hannaford's 70th birthday party. 595 00:35:13,945 --> 00:35:15,322 He died at the end of it. 596 00:35:15,947 --> 00:35:20,118 And there was some question as to whether it was an accident or suicide. 597 00:35:21,536 --> 00:35:25,081 So, what you're seeing is a reconstruction of the... 598 00:35:25,165 --> 00:35:27,834 - Roll tape! - 40, David, take six. 599 00:35:28,752 --> 00:35:32,130 ...made up of all this different footage, all put together. 600 00:35:32,797 --> 00:35:35,467 - Mr. Hannaford. - Happy birthday, Jake! 601 00:35:36,134 --> 00:35:40,096 The whole documentary, the kind that we're all so accustomed to today, 602 00:35:41,014 --> 00:35:42,390 he was�inventing. 603 00:35:42,474 --> 00:35:43,892 Happy birthday! 604 00:35:44,017 --> 00:35:47,604 And for that, Gary was probably an ideal cameraman, 605 00:35:47,687 --> 00:35:49,397 because Gary�was very fast. 606 00:35:52,192 --> 00:35:55,111 Gary Graver was the key person on the film. 607 00:35:55,362 --> 00:35:57,947 He was the closest person to Orson. 608 00:35:58,907 --> 00:36:02,827 Gary was really like the son Orson didn't have. 609 00:36:03,662 --> 00:36:06,706 Orson and Gary, father-son... 610 00:36:07,248 --> 00:36:08,333 No. Not so much. 611 00:36:08,917 --> 00:36:10,960 - Orson isn't�very paternal. - Action. 612 00:36:11,169 --> 00:36:14,631 Go back! Go back, back up, back up. Quickly! 613 00:36:14,714 --> 00:36:17,217 - Up! Up! Up! - Bossy, yes. 614 00:36:17,842 --> 00:36:18,968 Paternal, no. 615 00:36:19,552 --> 00:36:21,012 Slower! Stop! 616 00:36:22,055 --> 00:36:23,139 Move slowly! 617 00:36:26,851 --> 00:36:29,813 My father Gary's enthusiasm for filmmaking 618 00:36:29,896 --> 00:36:32,315 was something I don't think I've ever seen equaled. 619 00:36:33,066 --> 00:36:37,612 Every moment that my dad was not actively engaged in shooting, 620 00:36:37,696 --> 00:36:39,906 he looked at�that as time lost. 621 00:36:42,283 --> 00:36:44,744 Gary and I, we got married when I was 21. 622 00:36:45,787 --> 00:36:48,415 And if he was scheduled to be home at 10:00, 623 00:36:48,540 --> 00:36:52,961 and it went until 4:00 in the morning, oh, well, he stayed. 624 00:36:55,046 --> 00:36:56,046 Action! 625 00:36:56,715 --> 00:36:58,925 Gary did as he was told. 626 00:36:59,259 --> 00:37:01,428 Orson put the camera where he wanted to, 627 00:37:01,511 --> 00:37:04,264 and Gary was, you know, just his slave. 628 00:37:05,056 --> 00:37:08,435 Orson would have the camera to his eye and he'd say, "Come here, Gary." 629 00:37:08,643 --> 00:37:13,106 And then he'd move his head to the side, and he said, "This is it, see it?" 630 00:37:14,816 --> 00:37:16,776 And I had to�make it exactly right. 631 00:37:20,029 --> 00:37:22,574 When I look back on it, it's so complicated. 632 00:37:23,742 --> 00:37:25,076 You wanted to please him, 633 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,579 because you knew he was such an artist. 634 00:37:28,997 --> 00:37:31,166 I mean,�anything was possible with Orson. 635 00:37:31,499 --> 00:37:33,219 Everything had to happen right away, 636 00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:35,962 even when we didn't quite understand what we were doing. 637 00:37:36,963 --> 00:37:38,006 There was no script. 638 00:37:39,048 --> 00:37:41,926 He was�constantly writing it as he was going along. 639 00:37:42,010 --> 00:37:44,345 And fiddy-owney-owney-own! 640 00:37:44,429 --> 00:37:46,824 Sometimes I�had trouble understanding some of the lines. 641 00:37:46,848 --> 00:37:47,682 What? 642 00:37:47,766 --> 00:37:50,769 I remember�one line was the great "anonymous gang-shag." 643 00:37:50,852 --> 00:37:54,063 "And the cool, dim, anonymous gang-shag." 644 00:37:54,147 --> 00:37:56,858 And I didn't know what that meant actually. 645 00:37:57,275 --> 00:38:01,529 Would somebody please tell me why I'm going to a stupid party 646 00:38:01,613 --> 00:38:04,032 with all these stupid dummies? 647 00:38:04,824 --> 00:38:06,785 I had no idea what all these dummies were. 648 00:38:06,868 --> 00:38:08,578 There were dummies out by the pool. 649 00:38:08,703 --> 00:38:11,539 They were there 'cause Orson said, "Let's put these dummies out there." 650 00:38:12,123 --> 00:38:13,416 But it was like, "Well, why?" 651 00:38:13,917 --> 00:38:15,502 Didn't make any sense to me. 652 00:38:16,085 --> 00:38:18,797 But Orson knew exactly what he wanted. 653 00:38:19,214 --> 00:38:21,341 Every part of it was here. 654 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:22,800 To Baker,�one. 655 00:38:23,426 --> 00:38:26,012 We were�doing a scene and Orson said... 656 00:38:26,179 --> 00:38:28,139 Now a midget goes from behind you... 657 00:38:28,723 --> 00:38:31,059 All of you feel midgets touching your feet. 658 00:38:31,309 --> 00:38:33,520 "Midgets running between your legs." 659 00:38:33,728 --> 00:38:35,522 - All right. - Keep acting? 660 00:38:35,605 --> 00:38:37,482 It�s what�you do to make this work, right? 661 00:38:37,565 --> 00:38:41,236 Orson said, "Everybody look up! Midgets on the roof!" 662 00:38:41,903 --> 00:38:45,240 I said, "Orson, what the heck is this midgets bit?" 663 00:38:45,824 --> 00:38:49,828 And he said, "We're going to put the midgets in later, in Spain." 664 00:38:50,411 --> 00:38:52,038 And then walked away. 665 00:38:54,707 --> 00:38:57,502 The rule of thumb was Orson knows what he's doing, 666 00:38:57,794 --> 00:39:00,713 don't question anything. Just do it. 667 00:39:01,256 --> 00:39:04,259 I'm not sure he knew where this movie was going, and, um... 668 00:39:04,759 --> 00:39:07,303 I'm not sure anybody did, actually. 669 00:39:09,347 --> 00:39:13,309 It's quite clear that Rich wasn't comfortable with Orson's process. 670 00:39:13,810 --> 00:39:15,061 Wasn't a team player. 671 00:39:15,728 --> 00:39:18,773 Realistically, I suppose he was counting down the days 672 00:39:18,857 --> 00:39:21,317 until he knew he had to leave. 673 00:39:21,901 --> 00:39:24,571 My three weeks was up, and I had to leave, 674 00:39:25,238 --> 00:39:28,533 because I had club engagements that I can't get out of. 675 00:39:29,701 --> 00:39:31,870 And if I don't show up I'm gonna be sued. 676 00:39:32,662 --> 00:39:34,831 And I thought to myself, "Oh, my gosh, 677 00:39:34,914 --> 00:39:37,041 I'm not gonna be able to finish this part." 678 00:39:41,212 --> 00:39:43,423 Well, here's what I remember happened. 679 00:39:43,590 --> 00:39:45,008 It was the�last night. 680 00:39:45,717 --> 00:39:47,802 The film was practically finished. 681 00:39:49,053 --> 00:39:51,514 We were supposed to shoot this big scene. 682 00:39:52,265 --> 00:39:55,643 We went to�get him, Saturday morning, he was gone. 683 00:39:57,562 --> 00:40:01,065 We were all�there waiting for him, and he never showed up. 684 00:40:01,608 --> 00:40:04,360 As I recall, he wanted to go to New Orleans for something. 685 00:40:04,444 --> 00:40:06,084 He had an�engagement in Las Vegas. 686 00:40:06,154 --> 00:40:10,241 Allegedly, Orson's secretary had been having a relationship 687 00:40:10,325 --> 00:40:11,367 with Rich Little. 688 00:40:11,451 --> 00:40:13,828 He missed his wife and he was tired of working. 689 00:40:13,912 --> 00:40:17,707 Orson said, "No! You're on a contract�here for the next..." And he left and went. 690 00:40:19,584 --> 00:40:20,668 You don't do�that to Orson. 691 00:40:22,337 --> 00:40:23,796 He felt betrayed. 692 00:40:25,340 --> 00:40:28,968 I could've come back later and finished the scenes. 693 00:40:29,052 --> 00:40:32,889 We never�discussed that, and I... That always puzzled me. 694 00:40:33,514 --> 00:40:36,935 I thought, "They're gonna have to do all those scenes over again. 695 00:40:37,018 --> 00:40:38,937 Oh, my gosh! I can't imagine." 696 00:40:40,104 --> 00:40:41,314 It was crazy. 697 00:40:42,273 --> 00:40:45,526 I have replaced actors on the second week of shooting. 698 00:40:45,902 --> 00:40:47,320 But after seven weeks... 699 00:40:48,071 --> 00:40:49,071 it's impossible. 700 00:40:51,991 --> 00:40:54,327 I called him, I said, "How's it going?" 701 00:40:55,620 --> 00:40:56,620 "Terrible. 702 00:40:57,413 --> 00:41:00,249 I just blew 25 Gs and I don't have that kind of bread. 703 00:41:00,625 --> 00:41:02,377 I had to pay off Rich Little." 704 00:41:02,835 --> 00:41:04,253 - "Why?" - "He can't act!" 705 00:41:04,921 --> 00:41:07,161 "Oh, gee, I'm sorry to hear that. What are you gonna do?" 706 00:41:07,256 --> 00:41:11,094 "I don't know what I'm gonna do. I just can't use any of his stuff." 707 00:41:11,970 --> 00:41:14,013 He is a rough magician, isn't he? 708 00:41:14,389 --> 00:41:18,101 So I said, "That's terrible, Orson. Why don't I play it?" 709 00:41:18,935 --> 00:41:20,895 He is a rough magician, isn't he? 710 00:41:21,646 --> 00:41:24,232 And then he said, "Well, you're playing that other part." 711 00:41:25,733 --> 00:41:27,735 I said, "You can just cut me out of that." 712 00:41:32,115 --> 00:41:35,368 All right, men! Let's get organized. Now where shall we start? 713 00:41:37,036 --> 00:41:41,374 John Huston goes, "Peter, how many movies have you actually acted in now?" 714 00:41:42,291 --> 00:41:47,296 "Well, this is my second, Mr. Huston." "Two? Makes it easy to count!" 715 00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:52,552 Scene three�X, take one. 716 00:41:54,053 --> 00:41:57,181 Ah, red light. 717 00:41:57,724 --> 00:41:59,225 - No, we... - Mr. Hannaford. 718 00:41:59,392 --> 00:42:01,728 Oh, shit, I'm sorry. I'll do that again. 719 00:42:01,811 --> 00:42:03,571 - Start again? - Yeah, do it better. 720 00:42:03,646 --> 00:42:05,406 - You must�deal with every situation. - Okay. 721 00:42:07,358 --> 00:42:10,903 Why snap your finger? We're not cutting. Uh-uh. 722 00:42:12,405 --> 00:42:15,074 Orson said, "Play it like it's us." 723 00:42:18,077 --> 00:42:19,662 In case you haven't noticed, 724 00:42:19,746 --> 00:42:24,500 Peter Bogdanovich went from playing exactly who he was in 1970, 725 00:42:24,917 --> 00:42:26,294 a young writer, 726 00:42:26,377 --> 00:42:31,090 to exactly he became in 1974, a celebrated movie director. 727 00:42:32,216 --> 00:42:35,762 My book on�Hannaford's been canceled. Indefinitely. 728 00:42:36,220 --> 00:42:39,060 Yeah, the first five chapters took the two of us three and a half years. 729 00:42:39,140 --> 00:42:43,227 Finally, I�just had to start directing myself so I could eat. 730 00:42:44,145 --> 00:42:47,106 - Ha! Good. Now right away... - Do another one. Right. 731 00:42:47,774 --> 00:42:49,317 - Action? - Action. 732 00:42:49,859 --> 00:42:52,487 I had to�start directing myself so I could eat! 733 00:42:53,738 --> 00:42:55,740 - Cut! Very�good. - That was�good. 734 00:42:56,991 --> 00:43:00,578 At that time,�Orson had more influence on me than anybody. 735 00:43:01,913 --> 00:43:03,998 There's a number of myths about you already, 736 00:43:04,082 --> 00:43:07,251 even though you're young. Like�the fact that you had a goal set for yourself 737 00:43:07,335 --> 00:43:09,735 that you�would make a movie at the same age Orson Welles did. 738 00:43:09,796 --> 00:43:13,216 Oh, I wanted... I thought I'd be a failure if I didn't make a movie 739 00:43:13,466 --> 00:43:16,928 at least by the time I was 25, which is when Orson made 740 00:43:17,261 --> 00:43:21,599 Citizen Kane, and I was a disaster 'cause I didn't make one until I was 27. 741 00:43:23,643 --> 00:43:26,687 My films�aren't like his films, but he inspired me. 742 00:43:30,108 --> 00:43:32,652 Their relationship started as mentor/mentee. 743 00:43:32,819 --> 00:43:36,280 But Peter was at the top of an arc of a meteoric rise. 744 00:43:37,782 --> 00:43:39,575 You're as successful as you are 745 00:43:40,326 --> 00:43:43,287 and you have a gorgeous lady, as you do have. 746 00:43:43,371 --> 00:43:44,539 Cybill, uh... 747 00:43:44,622 --> 00:43:46,916 Yes, let's not discuss what... Yes, go ahead. 748 00:43:46,999 --> 00:43:50,878 You have her, you have four pictures in a row that make 30 million dollars. 749 00:43:51,629 --> 00:43:53,548 A guy has to learn to hate you. 750 00:43:54,882 --> 00:43:57,635 Bogdanovich had outpaced his mentor. 751 00:44:02,849 --> 00:44:06,561 Orson realized, "He has money, I don't. 752 00:44:06,644 --> 00:44:08,688 I'm Orson�Welles, he's not. 753 00:44:13,317 --> 00:44:15,653 - What's wrong? - The future. 754 00:44:16,988 --> 00:44:18,364 What's the matter with it? 755 00:44:19,198 --> 00:44:21,450 We cannot all be masters. 756 00:44:22,827 --> 00:44:26,706 Nor all masters�cannot be truly followed. 757 00:44:28,166 --> 00:44:30,501 I remember, we were sitting at lunch one day, 758 00:44:30,877 --> 00:44:33,004 and on top of the refrigerator was this 759 00:44:33,087 --> 00:44:35,882 industrial size bag of Fritos. 760 00:44:36,382 --> 00:44:40,469 Orson tore the top of it off,�poured most of the contents onto the kitchen table, 761 00:44:40,636 --> 00:44:43,389 sat down, took a big bunch of Fritos, put it in his mouth. 762 00:44:44,724 --> 00:44:46,684 So, of course, I did the same thing. 763 00:44:50,313 --> 00:44:53,858 Absolutely out of the blue, Orson just turned to me and said, 764 00:44:53,941 --> 00:44:57,153 "If anything happens to me, I want�you to promise me you'll finish the picture." 765 00:44:57,945 --> 00:45:00,323 I said, "Oh Jesus,�Orson, why do you say a thing like that? 766 00:45:00,448 --> 00:45:02,259 Nothing�s gonna�happen to you. Why do you say..." 767 00:45:02,283 --> 00:45:04,243 "I know, nothing's gonna happen." 768 00:45:06,037 --> 00:45:07,637 Hey, why pick on me? 769 00:45:08,164 --> 00:45:11,334 I mean, the�man is infested with disciples. I'm the apostle, lady. 770 00:45:12,251 --> 00:45:15,296 The film deals with the betrayal of friendship. 771 00:45:16,088 --> 00:45:17,548 Movies and friendship. 772 00:45:18,174 --> 00:45:19,634 Those are mysteries. 773 00:45:20,176 --> 00:45:22,136 He tested people with that. 774 00:45:23,429 --> 00:45:27,850 Betrayal can�only come if there's an initial love present. 775 00:45:28,017 --> 00:45:31,062 - You two are�very close, aren't you? - Yes, I'd�like to ask you about that. 776 00:45:31,854 --> 00:45:36,734 Orson created an environment where others would get sucked into it. 777 00:45:37,985 --> 00:45:40,071 It was all within Orson's control. 778 00:45:41,113 --> 00:45:43,449 And he was�creating an inevitability. 779 00:45:43,824 --> 00:45:46,118 She's gonna�say I stole everything from you, skipper, 780 00:45:46,202 --> 00:45:47,828 I'm never gonna walk away from�that. 781 00:45:47,995 --> 00:45:49,835 Well, it's all right to borrow from each other. 782 00:45:49,872 --> 00:45:51,832 What we must never do is borrow from�ourselves. 783 00:45:55,503 --> 00:45:57,338 We winked and nodded at each other, 784 00:45:57,421 --> 00:45:59,882 which was like, my God, this is going to happen. 785 00:45:59,966 --> 00:46:02,260 This inevitability is going to occur. 786 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,055 'Course you're close, you two. You have to be. 787 00:46:07,473 --> 00:46:08,516 You have no choice. 788 00:46:12,937 --> 00:46:16,232 Orson had gone to the looking glass and passed beyond it. 789 00:46:18,067 --> 00:46:21,696 The story was now being re-written in real time. 790 00:46:24,949 --> 00:46:28,077 There was a�scene in which Hannaford comes into the party 791 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,037 with a blond teenager on his arm. 792 00:46:30,162 --> 00:46:31,414 She was pretty young. 793 00:46:31,497 --> 00:46:33,249 What was her name, Mavis Henshaw? 794 00:46:33,332 --> 00:46:35,793 - What's your�name, sweetie? - Mavis Henscher. 795 00:46:36,085 --> 00:46:39,755 Actually, she was this little waitress we found at a breakfast place. 796 00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:41,559 Want me to�bring you another scotch? 797 00:46:42,008 --> 00:46:46,178 And we just went... �That's Mavis.� 798 00:46:46,554 --> 00:46:50,224 She didn't know who Orson Welles was. She didn't know who John Huston was. 799 00:46:51,017 --> 00:46:54,520 And there were times when their combined energies 800 00:46:54,603 --> 00:46:57,273 could barely�get a performance out of her. 66503

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