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Ladies and gentlemen, good evening.
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This is the story
of Orson Welles' last movie,
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The Other Side of the Wind.
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Uh, this is May 11th, 1971,
The Other Side of the Wind.
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Orson Welles. Um...
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- Sound roll number eight.
- Rolling.
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'Cause you always start announcing
it before I roll. All right, now,
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I'll announce it.
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Scene 58, take one.
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What you're about to watch
is made up of fragments of the materials
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that Orson and others left behind.
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Many of Orson's films started
with a death...
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and so does ours.
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When Orson Welles died yesterday,
he was,�as he had been most of his life,
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in the midst�of several film projects.
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It was the end of a career
that had once promised so much.
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He was a giant of a man
who made Citizen Kane,
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who once�scared America half to death
with his War of the Worlds.
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He'd been called a genius
almost from birth.
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He was�reading at two,
performing Shakespeare at ten.
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Regrettably, his later years never matched
the promise of his early years.
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He drifted off to lesser work
and grew enormously fat.
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Movies were never finished.
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There was this one,
The Other Side of the Wind,
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about a world-famous filmmaker.
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Perhaps Welles' vision of himself.
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How we sum up a person's life
and the truth of that life
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are rarely he same thing.
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Almost any story is almost certainly
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some kind of lie.
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But not this time.
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This time, the story
of The Other Side of the Wind
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is being told by the people
who were there:
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cast and crew, friends and family.
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- My God, you're shooting from over there?
- Why not?
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Orson said,
"They'll love me when I'm dead."
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No, Orson�denied ever saying that.
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- It's almost true.
- It's not true.
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Our movie starts long before
things went wrong.
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And they did go horribly wrong.
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But it begins at a moment of promise
for Orson.
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Let's watch.
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Mr. Orson Welles.
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Every time you'd mention his name,
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people would say,
"What did he do since Citizen Kane?"
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Citizen Kane,
the greatest motion picture�ever made.
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He made such a great movie and then...
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"Whatever happened to Orson Welles?"
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Every list of great films,
many of them lead with Citizen Kane
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and say it's the finest film made.
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Um...
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- Do you�agree?
- No, certainly not.
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- That's interesting.
- My next one�is though, that's the...
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- The Magnificent Ambersons?
- No.
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- The one I'm�preparing at this moment.
- Oh, the next one.
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That's gonna�make history.
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- Could you�give us the title of that?
- I haven't�decided what it is yet.
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Oh!
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It would become a last big effort
in his lifetime.
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The chance to say,
"This is my masterpiece."
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What will really be the big basic
differences between this picture
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and anything�else you've ever done?
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Because everything else I've ever done
has been controlled,
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every frame is controlled.
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But I would like to take a whole story
and make the picture
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as though it were a documentary.
The actors are gonna be improvising.
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Have you done that kind of thing before
with other...
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Nobody's ever done it before, you know.
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But that seems to me like
shooting and shooting,
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and aren't�you afraid the end result
won't have any control?
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- I keep...
- Not a bit,�no, I really am not.
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I can't even�count
the number of times I heard Orson say...
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The greatest�things in movies
are divine accidents.
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"Embrace that accident."
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And my definition of a film director
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is "the man who presides over accidents."
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They're these divine accidents.
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It's the�only thing that keeps films
from being dead.
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Every time one would happen, boom!
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Genius would�come out.
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Everywhere, there are beautiful accidents.
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There's a smell in the air, there's a look
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that changes�the whole resonance
of what you expected.
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Sometimes I've had those accidents.
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I made a picture in which somebody
reached through a window in Touch of Evil,
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and found the egg...
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And we made a whole scene about it,
you know.
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But I wanna�go further.
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Then on the basis
of what you've said,�it sounds as though
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the whole thing is going to be a series
of your "divine accidents."
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- If we're�lucky.
- If you're�lucky.
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That's right. You know,
we're going to go fishing for accidents.
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Which I�think can be very exciting,
you know?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Do you feel any kind of resentment
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for what�Hollywood did to you,
or failed to offer you?
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At the time,
Orson had lost his ability
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to finance his own work in America.
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You are in some sense an exile,
aren't you?
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- You've been�out of America a long time.
- Yes, yes.
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Orson had�been in Europe for two decades.
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Because he felt very betrayed
by Hollywood.
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I think he was permanently traumatized
by Touch of Evil.
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The studio said,
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"God, Welles is functioning
at such a level of brilliance.
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We're gonna make
film after film with him."
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That's what you think.
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Then they saw a rough cut of it.
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They were so horrified that I was fired.
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And nobody's ever explained
what horrified them.
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After Evil, nobody would touch him.
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They really wouldn't.
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The popular press
had forgotten about him.
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People weren't chasing Orson down
to work with him.
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I think I have to make
a very successful box office picture.
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I think I'm�getting too old
not to have made one.
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- Orson needed a comeback film...
- And?
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...and it had to be strong.
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It's one thing to know what you want,
it's another thing
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to know how�to go through the door
when it opens.
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Hollywood was changing
in the '70s, changing huge.
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The new Hollywood began around '66.
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Bonnie and Clyde,
Five Easy Pieces.
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Easy Rider.
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The kids with beards were taking over.
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We are children playing games,
when we create.
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Which is what movies are to me,
and what drama is to me, it's a game.
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Thirty-five-year-old men
had taken over show business.
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The studios didn't know anymore
what was making money.
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The studios were collapsing.
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When Warner Brothers stopped
making cartoons, it was over.
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In the new Hollywood,
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everybody had this incredible reverence
for Orson Welles.
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He was somewhere between
Zen master and God.
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I mean, sure, Citizen Kane
was maybe the greatest film ever made,
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but I'm not�even sure it's his best film.
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- Lady From Shanghai.
- The mirror sequence.
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- Oh, wow!
- Wow!
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How could you even think to do that?
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He was a prototypical
independent filmmaker.
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Oh, my God, yes.
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Chimes is�the most perfect film ever made.
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The chance to make my films
in America's...
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has been very hard,
but I think it's getting easier.
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Pictures are becoming more adventurous.
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The opportunities ahead of me are greater,
much than they were five years ago.
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Orson wanted in because he wanted
to do a film about Hollywood.
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It was the siren's call
that drew Orson back to Hollywood.
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And this is where�the story really begins.
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In a�bungalow at the Beverly Hills Hotel
on the 4th of July, 1970.
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One day in 1970, near the 4th of July,
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I was at�Schwab's Drugstore in Hollywood.
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This is cameraman Gary Graver.
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He shot�everything Orson directed
for the last 15 years of his life.
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Tell us how�you met Orson Welles.
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I read in Variety that Orson
Welles was at the Beverly Hills Hotel.
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I went back to the phone booth,
called him up...
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...and to my surprise,
he answered the phone.
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- "Hello?" I said, "Oh, Orson Welles?"
- Hello?
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I said, "I'm Gary Graver,
I'm an American cameraman."
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- Come and�talk to me.
- "I've got to talk to you."
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I want to�talk to you now!
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And he said, "Get over
to the Beverly Hills Hotel right away."
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Wow!
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I raced over to the Beverly Hills Hotel,
knocked on the door,�and there was Orson.
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- I said, "I'd like to work with you."
- Why?
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Orson said, "We'll make some tests,
and if I like what you do,
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we'll start a script."
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And I was�very nervous about it.
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Cut. Go back again. Stop it!
Gary, you must listen to me.
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The tests, as you see here,
are shots of Orson
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sitting in�the Beverly Hills Hotel
bungalow that�he rented,
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and I was shooting him.
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He said, "You're the second cameraman
that's called me up.
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The first one was Gregg Toland
on Citizen Kane."
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He says, "Now you.
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So, it must mean good luck.
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I would like to work with you."
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And we began to make a movie called:
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The Other Side of the Wind.
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The Other Side of the Wind. What is that?
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You could drive yourself nuts
trying to get an answer to that one.
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The conceit of this movie
is that it is actually two movies in one.
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The Other Side of the Wind
is divided into two sections.
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There is the film which is made
by documentary cameramen,
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which is the story of the last day
of the director's life.
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And there is the film
which is made by the director,
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which has�just broken down
for lack of funds.
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And these�two stories
almost simultaneously move together.
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So, what is this film about?
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- It's the story of an old director.
- Yeah?
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A generation even older than me.
It's difficult to imagine that.
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The Other�Side of the Wind
is a movie about an aging film director.
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The darling�of Hollywood
who fell out of favor.
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The great American film artist...
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That gets rejected in Hollywood,
goes to Europe...
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And comes�back to Hollywood.
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It was a�thinly-veiled version of himself.
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Okay. Would�that make him
an autobiographical character for you?
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No. Everybody will think
it's autobiographical, but it's not.
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Yeah. Bullshit.
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- Of course it is.
- It must be autobiographical.
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A hundred percent Orson.
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No doubt�it's an autobiographical movie.
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He hated that.
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He didn't�want to be analyzed
through his films.
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Ten-hut!
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Actually,
The Other Side of the Wind started
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because of a conversation I had
with Orson.
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Who is this�man?
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Peter Bogdanovich started
as a film historian.
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And Orson, he was my hero.
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He said, "Isn't it a pity you can't do
a nice little book about me?"
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I said, "I'd be happy to do
an interview�book with you."
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He said, "Fine, let's do it."
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And he�said...
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You know why I was sleepless last night?
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Why?
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I've got a story that
I've worked on for many years.
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I said, "What's that?"
"Well, it's about an older film director
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and a young film director,
and the betrayal
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of their�friendship."
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Not that it�matters.
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I am crazy enough to do that
in preference to anything else.
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- Oughta make it right away.
- Right away.
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"I must make it now."
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Cut.
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He calls me up and he says,
"What are you doing Thursday?"
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And I said,�"I'm going to Texas
to start my first film."
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But this was before all that.
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Orson said, "What time is your plane?"
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I said, "Three o'clock."
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He said, "Can you meet me at noon
where the planes fly low over the�street?"
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I said, "Yeah, okay. What are we doing?"
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"I'll tell you about it when I see you.
Just meet me at noon."
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- Take one, second...
- Let me announce it.
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Bus Studio,�Scene 55, Take one!
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The mic all right?
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At first, he had me playing a cineaste,
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you know,�a guy who writes about movies.
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Mr. Hannaford? Uh, Mr. Hannaford.
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Jake Hannaford's
the leading character, an old director.
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Mr. Hannaford, uh,
in the body of your film work,
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how significantly would you relate
the trauma of your father's suicide?
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Orson had me do it
like Jerry Lewis. And it was like,
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"Mr. Hannaford, do you think
that the cinema is like a phallus?"
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Orson thought that was hilarious.
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I did some stuff like Jerry
and broke myself up.
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He said, "Don't laugh!"
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He wanted�a free train.
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All right, come back! Come back!
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Sun got in the lens.
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Mr. Hannaford!
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Mr. Hannaford?
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It's a crazy picture.
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It's not a work of fiction,
it's a little of everything.
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You either hate it or loathe it,
like most people.
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It's kind of a departure in moviemaking.
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The Other Side of the Wind
is structured around a party
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being thrown for the director,
Jake Hannaford.
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This gives him a chance to assert
his relevance
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amongst the biggest names
of the new Hollywood movement.
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Orson began shooting fragments
of this scene,
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and would continue to do so
for the next five years.
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Chabrol, take one!
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During the�party scenes,
Orson wanted to have actual filmmakers...
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Thanks.
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...on camera.
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- But then...
- For Henry and Paul!
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Roll five, take one.
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He wanted a�fight of two young directors.
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- Don't condescend... Don't patronize me.
- Let me�finish. Well, let me finish.
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- If you're really an honest man...
- Can I talk�to him?
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- Yeah, but if�you're an honest man...
- May I speak with him or not?
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Uh, Dennis Hopper showed up.
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Dennis Hopper, filmmaker,
extraordinary leading actor.
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He got incredibly stoned...
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...and was�debating Jake Hannaford.
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- Jake, everybody knows about you.
- Yeah, I know.
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With the lead role
of Jake Hannaford not yet cast,
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Welles played the role of the director
off camera.
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Do you believe movies are also magic?
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Right.
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When Elvis Presley was 21,
he came to me and said...
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he's gotta do this fight scene.
He says, "I've never hit a woman before.
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Gotta hit Debra Paget."
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And I said, "But you don't
really hit people in movies."
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He says, "I suppose you're gonna say�they
don't really shoot real�bullets at people.
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I've seen�the wood splinter off the wall."
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- He said�that?
- Yeah.
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Yeah, but aren't you
confusing reality with magic?
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In other�words,�I believe
people will believe anything in movies.
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Reality is�always poor,
weak stuff compared to magic.
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Orson was a big believer in magic.
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The idea�that maybe...
maybe what you see isn't real.
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You may have wondered
why I look so peculiar on the television.
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And it's partly, I must confess to you,
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the fact that�you see my nose as it is.
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He's really a very handsome man.
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He always hides it with different noses.
He doesn't like it,
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he thinks it's too weak-looking
or something. I love his nose.
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He changes noses? Oh.
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In most of the films that I appear in,
I put on a false nose,
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usually as�large as I can find.
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He said, "All my life,
I've hidden behind masks."
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And he had created a wall
with these masks,
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hiding the�real Orson.
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The Other Side of the Wind
is entirely masked.
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In other words,
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the party shot by a documentary crew
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is in a style that wouldn't have been
my style as a movie director.
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And the movie within a movie
is an impersonation by me
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of my director character
trying to make an art movie.
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It's not my film.
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- It's a film by the character.
- Yes!
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You will see the movie within a movie
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is not a movie I would ever have made.
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There was no plot.
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Essentially it was about my character
chasing a girl,
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chasing her around or something.
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A little game of "catch me if you can."
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It was pretty clear
the film that Hannaford's making
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is Orson's�attempt�to satirize
European atmospheric cinema.
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Which was�popular back in the '60s.
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And it was very amusing to make,
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because I had the freedom, the joy,
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to make a film that is not a film
by Orson Welles.
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Yes.
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Because it's a film made with a mask.
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With this film,
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Mr. Welles is a professional
who's become an amateur.
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And it�worked.
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Pretty much everything
he was doing was to save money.
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Because Orson paid for the shoot himself.
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Gary Graver provided him with
a small, proper crew.
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Oh, boy!
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By the way, Frank Marshall,
producer of Indiana Jones,
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- wasn't he part of the crew?
- Yeah.
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It was before I understood
what a producer did.
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There's a glorious sense
of freedom and innocence
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that Welles�was always yearning for.
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Because they were making things up
as they went along.
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We have an entire crew
who would let him do anything.
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The only one who didn't give him any flak
was Oja.
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Her name...
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is Oja. Oja Kodar.
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The star and the co-writer
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of the movie within the movie was
a young Croatian artist, Oja Kodar.
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She was also Orson's lover.
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Orson just loved Oja,
it was the love of his life.
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And he considered her
an artistic collaborator.
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When we first met...
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um...
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I was very young...
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To me, he looked somehow menacing.
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With his cape...
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he was a personification
of the wind itself.
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But I knew the other side of this wind.
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Because Orson was the wind
that was capable of caressing you,
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lifting you, making you dance.
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Time for a confession.
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- Um... he was also married.
- Good night, Oja.
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Olga... I call her Olga.
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That's her real name, you know?
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My father was fascinated
by this double life.
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It became intriguing
and it was not boring,
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this unbelievable double life.
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Why my mother stayed married,
I'll never know.
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But... that's her choice.
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We'll leave Miss Kodar aside,
for the moment.
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Orson had been shooting
this material for years
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with his own money, in the hopes
that he could raise more�money
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to finish when people saw
what he was�shooting.
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But I don't think he tried to get funding
from the studios at first.
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In fact, Orson was sneaking
into abandoned studio backlots
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under assumed names
and filming�an elaborate critique
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of Hollywood itself.
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Was it vengeance?
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The Magnificent Ambersons
was the beginning
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of what we can call...
the period of betrayal.
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My father was betrayed by a lot of people.
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Did he bring that on himself? Who knows?
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Maybe.
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Whilst editing The Magnificent Ambersons,
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Orson was practically ordered
by the US government
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to go to�Brazil to make a documentary.
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And so I arranged to film
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a voodoo witch doctor.
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And I came back to the office
and found that, on my desk,
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in a script of the film...
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was a long, steel needle.
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This was the mark of the voodoo.
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While I was in South America,
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the studio previewed Ambersons
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and said it was too down-beat.
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And they�started cutting it.
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The editor used to send him
telegrams saying,
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"Come back from Brazil.
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00:23:16,312 --> 00:23:20,524
They are re-shooting The Ambersons.
We are all under contract.
400
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We can do nothing against that.
You are the only one who can stop that.
401
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Come back."
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00:23:27,573 --> 00:23:28,573
And he�didn't.
403
00:23:30,159 --> 00:23:31,827
I was fired by the studio.
404
00:23:32,578 --> 00:23:34,663
I never recovered from that attack.
405
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,750
They destroyed Ambersons
406
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and destroyed me.
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00:23:42,004 --> 00:23:44,965
I didn't get a job as a director
for years afterwards.
408
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He was considered somebody
who didn't care that much
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about the commerciality of a project
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by many in Hollywood.
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00:23:55,726 --> 00:24:00,189
Therefore, Orson needed to get financing
from untraditional sources.
412
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And, eventually, it worked.
413
00:24:03,943 --> 00:24:06,445
But, regarding the money,
it's complicated.
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When I was there,
it was a Spanish�producer...
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00:24:11,033 --> 00:24:13,285
- Andr�s G�mez.
- Right, Andr�s G�mez.
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00:24:13,535 --> 00:24:17,581
I was not a�financier of the film,
but I did find some money.
417
00:24:18,123 --> 00:24:20,709
We had some money from G�mez,
but we needed more.
418
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,713
So, Orson found French producer
Dominique Antoine.
419
00:24:24,797 --> 00:24:27,257
Yeah, so I had the money at that time
420
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because I�had made an association
with the brother-in-law of the Shah.
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00:24:30,761 --> 00:24:32,012
The Shah of Iran.
422
00:24:32,221 --> 00:24:33,847
And he had a dictatorship.
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00:24:34,181 --> 00:24:37,351
The brother-in-law and I created together
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00:24:37,434 --> 00:24:39,436
a company
called Les Films de L' Astrophore.
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00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:40,771
L' Astrophore.
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00:24:40,854 --> 00:24:43,691
The Iranian�company that was Paris-based.
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00:24:44,525 --> 00:24:48,612
So, I said to Orson, "The Other
Side of the Wind,�of course�we do it."
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00:24:51,281 --> 00:24:54,660
I believe she came
with a satchel full of money.
429
00:24:54,743 --> 00:24:57,371
Orson was like the Cat of Cheshire.
430
00:24:57,454 --> 00:25:02,209
With a smile from one ear
to the other one. And he was purring.
431
00:25:07,423 --> 00:25:09,758
- Money makes miracles.
- Yeah.
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00:25:10,384 --> 00:25:12,219
Yeah.
433
00:25:12,928 --> 00:25:14,680
You're a bad boy, and you know it.
434
00:25:16,473 --> 00:25:17,473
Confused?
435
00:25:18,434 --> 00:25:21,478
Don't worry about it.
It's not the most important thing.
436
00:25:21,895 --> 00:25:23,313
What is important
437
00:25:23,605 --> 00:25:27,067
is that Orson finally had the money
for his comeback film.
438
00:25:28,027 --> 00:25:30,696
What he didn't have was a leading man.
439
00:25:33,741 --> 00:25:36,243
I remember one time we were in Paris,
440
00:25:36,452 --> 00:25:39,955
and he'd already shot a lot of footage
without the leading character.
441
00:25:40,330 --> 00:25:42,082
Would you play the director?
442
00:25:42,499 --> 00:25:44,626
Who should play it is John Huston.
443
00:25:46,587 --> 00:25:48,797
Huston is the best,
and I'm the second best.
444
00:25:49,131 --> 00:25:51,884
If I can't get Huston,
there's nobody else but me.
445
00:25:51,967 --> 00:25:52,967
Yeah.
446
00:25:53,093 --> 00:25:55,813
And he's sort of pacing
up and down the street, saying,
447
00:25:55,929 --> 00:25:59,224
"But why should I give it to Huston? It's
a great part, I should play it myself."
448
00:26:01,643 --> 00:26:03,145
If I should ever...
449
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get close enough to the pearly gates
to have an argument
450
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with the man who opens them,
451
00:26:09,818 --> 00:26:13,280
I would suggest that the reason
to let me into heaven
452
00:26:13,405 --> 00:26:15,741
is that I�didn't play that wonderful part.
453
00:26:18,243 --> 00:26:20,454
And gave it instead to John Huston.
454
00:26:20,913 --> 00:26:24,583
It's a piece�of unselfishness
which I have regretted�ever since.
455
00:26:29,505 --> 00:26:33,008
John Huston�was
the sexiest old devil I ever met.
456
00:26:35,260 --> 00:26:36,512
I'm trying to live...
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live life as�best as I possibly can.
458
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:42,893
Why'd he want John Huston?
459
00:26:43,393 --> 00:26:45,604
They loved�each other, they were brothers!
460
00:26:47,898 --> 00:26:51,193
The thing about Orson Welles
and my dad is that they were really
461
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able to live up to their own mythology
462
00:26:55,197 --> 00:26:57,241
and camp�that up a little bit.
463
00:26:58,909 --> 00:27:02,162
It is a lot of smoke and mirrors.
You don't know what's real and what's not.
464
00:27:02,246 --> 00:27:03,872
And that's�what they're playing with.
465
00:27:05,332 --> 00:27:09,419
They'd known each other for so many�years,
and they were both rapscallions.
466
00:27:10,796 --> 00:27:12,506
John loved Orson Welles.
467
00:27:16,885 --> 00:27:18,971
And he received a call one morning,
468
00:27:19,054 --> 00:27:22,057
and he said, "Oh, my God!"
And I said, "What?" He said, "It's Orson.
469
00:27:24,643 --> 00:27:27,563
He wants me�to come to Carefree, Arizona."
470
00:27:38,115 --> 00:27:40,742
Gary called me at about 10:00 at night.
471
00:27:40,868 --> 00:27:44,079
"Mike, can you be in Arizona tomorrow?"
472
00:27:44,163 --> 00:27:46,331
"Orson's putting together
a ten-day shoot."
473
00:27:46,415 --> 00:27:49,042
Would I come down for ten days.
He needed me.
474
00:27:49,126 --> 00:27:52,296
To go to the desert
in the middle of nowhere.
475
00:27:52,379 --> 00:27:55,340
"It's gonna be like summer camp,
I don't know if there's any money.
476
00:27:55,424 --> 00:27:58,135
- Are you interested?"
- And I said, "Yes."
477
00:27:58,218 --> 00:27:59,978
- "Yeah. That sounds like fun."
- Absolutely.
478
00:28:00,053 --> 00:28:02,014
I'm in my�car driving to Arizona.
479
00:28:02,472 --> 00:28:05,642
I suddenly�looked up
and there was the Zabriskie Point house.
480
00:28:07,686 --> 00:28:10,731
It's clearly no coincidence
481
00:28:10,814 --> 00:28:14,193
that the location that Orson chose
to shoot in Arizona
482
00:28:14,818 --> 00:28:17,446
is in fact the house next door
483
00:28:17,529 --> 00:28:20,949
to the house�Antonioni blew up
in Zabriskie Point.
484
00:28:24,620 --> 00:28:26,496
On The Other Side of the Wind,
485
00:28:26,580 --> 00:28:28,832
Orson wanted to push further
than Antonioni.
486
00:28:29,875 --> 00:28:32,961
Orson was the ultimate
independent filmmaker.
487
00:28:34,588 --> 00:28:36,882
I was part of a core crew, not of 80,
488
00:28:37,466 --> 00:28:40,135
but of six�people plus Orson.
489
00:28:40,969 --> 00:28:43,722
He wanted to be in a kind of circus.
490
00:28:44,973 --> 00:28:46,600
Full of�young people.
491
00:28:47,309 --> 00:28:49,937
I fell right in the vat of cream.
492
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,200
You know,
I fell right in the middle of it.
493
00:28:53,065 --> 00:28:56,235
For me to have the luck
to work with Orson Welles,
494
00:28:56,902 --> 00:29:01,240
oh, it was so exciting,
even when it was difficult.
495
00:29:06,578 --> 00:29:09,122
I mean, the first day of shooting,
he fired the sound man.
496
00:29:09,623 --> 00:29:12,501
Can you please just slow down?
Otherwise I'm going to fall off the car.
497
00:29:14,586 --> 00:29:16,797
Everybody's job was really difficult.
498
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,591
I had built sets, schlep sets,
hung lights.
499
00:29:19,675 --> 00:29:22,886
This young kid, so anxious
to get this thing for Orson
500
00:29:22,970 --> 00:29:26,181
- that he ran through the plate glass.
- Shattered it.
501
00:29:26,390 --> 00:29:28,100
Fortunately, I was going so fast...
502
00:29:28,183 --> 00:29:30,602
He was in the living room
before the pieces of glass
503
00:29:30,686 --> 00:29:33,689
had finished cascading down to the�floor.
504
00:29:34,273 --> 00:29:36,400
- Oh, it's great.
- It was�crazy.
505
00:29:36,483 --> 00:29:37,859
It is insane,
506
00:29:38,402 --> 00:29:42,030
but it's the kind of thing that happens
to people who are working like Orson.
507
00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:46,410
I picked John Huston up at the airport
in Phoenix.
508
00:29:47,744 --> 00:29:49,955
I said, "Mr. Huston,
I'm thrilled you're here."
509
00:29:50,163 --> 00:29:53,166
I said, "We've been waiting for you
for three years to be in this film.
510
00:29:53,250 --> 00:29:56,420
We've been shooting around you."
And Huston looked really alarmed. He said,
511
00:29:57,254 --> 00:29:59,881
"You've been acting in this picture
for three years?"
512
00:30:01,633 --> 00:30:03,385
Write that�down, somebody.
513
00:30:06,596 --> 00:30:07,596
Cut.
514
00:30:07,931 --> 00:30:10,142
- I fucked�that up.
- Let�s do it once again.
515
00:30:10,225 --> 00:30:12,602
The little campier still, but masculine.
516
00:30:13,437 --> 00:30:14,437
Once again.
517
00:30:15,522 --> 00:30:18,900
The Other Side of the Wind
is not a complete departure for Orson.
518
00:30:19,192 --> 00:30:20,902
And it reflected
519
00:30:20,986 --> 00:30:25,365
the process�that Orson had been going
through in Europe in making his own films.
520
00:30:26,074 --> 00:30:27,701
Welles' exile had meant
521
00:30:27,784 --> 00:30:30,454
that he was exiled from the facilities
of Hollywood.
522
00:30:31,330 --> 00:30:33,373
I have a different style
as a director,
523
00:30:33,874 --> 00:30:35,876
because I know of things I can't ask for.
524
00:30:36,626 --> 00:30:38,462
For example, with Othello,
525
00:30:38,754 --> 00:30:42,049
there's a fight scene
where a punch is thrown,
526
00:30:42,341 --> 00:30:44,217
but then production had to shut down
527
00:30:44,301 --> 00:30:47,012
while Orson went off
to make more money�as an�actor.
528
00:30:47,637 --> 00:30:50,932
And the reaction shot
of the guy getting punched
529
00:30:51,475 --> 00:30:54,895
was shot two years later
and a thousand miles away.
530
00:30:57,022 --> 00:30:58,065
It worked.
531
00:30:59,274 --> 00:31:01,114
Who would've thought that was possible?
532
00:31:10,035 --> 00:31:11,078
Good evening.
533
00:31:11,787 --> 00:31:12,788
Now...
534
00:31:13,330 --> 00:31:17,250
the first thing you're probably asking
yourself is, "What is Orson Welles
535
00:31:18,251 --> 00:31:20,003
doing as the�host of a comedy show?"
536
00:31:21,755 --> 00:31:27,094
I met Orson on Kopykats, a show
we did with a bunch�of impersonators.
537
00:31:27,177 --> 00:31:28,845
Starring Rich Little.
538
00:31:29,012 --> 00:31:32,432
I was in the studio doing a routine
539
00:31:32,724 --> 00:31:35,519
called "Famous Celebrity Sneezing."
540
00:31:39,231 --> 00:31:41,733
I said, "Orson Welles, sneezing."
541
00:31:41,942 --> 00:31:45,862
I did not know that he'd just come
into the studio. I went...
542
00:31:46,530 --> 00:31:49,574
"Aah-aah-choo."
543
00:31:50,367 --> 00:31:52,911
And he put his arm on my shoulder
and said...
544
00:31:53,745 --> 00:31:55,831
"I never sneeze."
545
00:31:59,418 --> 00:32:00,418
We clicked.
546
00:32:00,836 --> 00:32:04,047
Well, gee, Orson, I don't know how
this show could afford you.
547
00:32:13,473 --> 00:32:17,936
He phoned me at home, and told me
about this movie, Other Side of the Wind,
548
00:32:18,353 --> 00:32:22,566
and would I be interested in playing
a wide-eyed, young director.
549
00:32:23,567 --> 00:32:25,610
I said, "Well, great.
550
00:32:25,694 --> 00:32:30,198
Just on one condition. That I have
to shoot my scenes in about three weeks."
551
00:32:30,490 --> 00:32:35,245
He said,�"Oh, no, no.
I'll probably need you for about a week."
552
00:32:37,789 --> 00:32:39,958
When I was introduced to John Huston,
553
00:32:40,041 --> 00:32:44,087
Orson went up to him and said,
"John, this�is Rich Little.
554
00:32:44,421 --> 00:32:48,550
He's one of the world's
greatest impressionists."
555
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:50,719
And John Huston said:
556
00:32:50,886 --> 00:32:54,347
"Oh, well,
then we're gonna get along fine,
557
00:32:54,431 --> 00:32:57,017
because I'm into art, you know."
558
00:32:58,310 --> 00:33:01,021
"No, no, not that kind of impressionist.
559
00:33:01,688 --> 00:33:02,856
He does voices."
560
00:33:05,108 --> 00:33:08,653
"Why would he do that?
Why couldn't they get the real people?"
561
00:33:13,950 --> 00:33:16,244
Orson populated the film with characters
562
00:33:16,328 --> 00:33:18,622
based on the icons of the film community.
563
00:33:19,873 --> 00:33:21,917
Like screenwriter John Milius.
564
00:33:23,043 --> 00:33:24,753
Film critic Pauline Kael.
565
00:33:25,337 --> 00:33:28,131
I just want to know what he represents.
566
00:33:28,215 --> 00:33:31,635
And the head of
Paramount Pictures, Robert Evans.
567
00:33:32,594 --> 00:33:35,597
I started to�figure out that Rich Little's
supposed to be Peter.
568
00:33:37,724 --> 00:33:42,729
The character was a young,
successful director who did imitations.
569
00:33:42,896 --> 00:33:44,773
And that's�what Peter did.
570
00:33:45,315 --> 00:33:46,566
I'm Peter�Bogdanovich.
571
00:33:47,275 --> 00:33:49,778
What's the word I say? Oh, action!
572
00:33:50,946 --> 00:33:55,283
And so then I started to think, "Well,
is John Huston supposed to be Orson?"
573
00:33:56,409 --> 00:34:00,080
I remember�thinking, �Oh, my gosh,
this is starting to get really weird.�
574
00:34:02,374 --> 00:34:04,918
I can remember one time we shot a scene...
575
00:34:05,377 --> 00:34:06,377
Brooksie.
576
00:34:06,586 --> 00:34:09,714
- Right here�by your side, skipper.
- You know�what I'd like for my birthday?
577
00:34:10,715 --> 00:34:11,715
Cut.
578
00:34:12,092 --> 00:34:13,510
John couldn't drive.
579
00:34:14,469 --> 00:34:16,596
And he never�told us this.
580
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,390
- My camera's gone out.
- Oh, Jesus!
581
00:34:18,515 --> 00:34:21,395
- Certainly, it was a stick-shift.
- Give me the�magazine, quick!
582
00:34:21,768 --> 00:34:24,288
And I was kinda worried,
'cause I had to return the car.
583
00:34:24,354 --> 00:34:26,064
- It's stopped.
- The magazine�jammed.
584
00:34:26,147 --> 00:34:27,482
The car�stopped, too.
585
00:34:29,818 --> 00:34:33,029
Let's put it in drive. In "D."
586
00:34:33,905 --> 00:34:36,305
It looked like we were gonna go
right into the lake.
587
00:34:37,659 --> 00:34:38,743
John said to me,
588
00:34:39,077 --> 00:34:41,705
"Oh, Rich, you'll get good billing."
589
00:34:41,788 --> 00:34:45,834
'Orson Welles, John Huston,
and Rich Little,
590
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:48,044
all drowned'."
591
00:34:53,717 --> 00:34:56,678
This is a picture about the love of death.
592
00:34:57,178 --> 00:34:59,139
You came to my party after all.
593
00:35:00,098 --> 00:35:01,766
Get in. I'll drive you.
594
00:35:09,524 --> 00:35:12,485
This is Jake Hannaford's
70th birthday party.
595
00:35:13,945 --> 00:35:15,322
He died at the end of it.
596
00:35:15,947 --> 00:35:20,118
And there was some question as to
whether it was an accident or suicide.
597
00:35:21,536 --> 00:35:25,081
So, what you're seeing
is a reconstruction of the...
598
00:35:25,165 --> 00:35:27,834
- Roll tape!
- 40, David, take six.
599
00:35:28,752 --> 00:35:32,130
...made up of all this
different footage, all put together.
600
00:35:32,797 --> 00:35:35,467
- Mr. Hannaford.
- Happy birthday, Jake!
601
00:35:36,134 --> 00:35:40,096
The whole documentary, the kind
that we're all so accustomed to today,
602
00:35:41,014 --> 00:35:42,390
he was�inventing.
603
00:35:42,474 --> 00:35:43,892
Happy birthday!
604
00:35:44,017 --> 00:35:47,604
And for that, Gary was probably
an ideal cameraman,
605
00:35:47,687 --> 00:35:49,397
because Gary�was very fast.
606
00:35:52,192 --> 00:35:55,111
Gary Graver was the key person
on the film.
607
00:35:55,362 --> 00:35:57,947
He was the closest person to Orson.
608
00:35:58,907 --> 00:36:02,827
Gary was really like the son
Orson didn't have.
609
00:36:03,662 --> 00:36:06,706
Orson and Gary, father-son...
610
00:36:07,248 --> 00:36:08,333
No. Not so much.
611
00:36:08,917 --> 00:36:10,960
- Orson isn't�very paternal.
- Action.
612
00:36:11,169 --> 00:36:14,631
Go back! Go back, back up,
back up. Quickly!
613
00:36:14,714 --> 00:36:17,217
- Up! Up! Up!
- Bossy, yes.
614
00:36:17,842 --> 00:36:18,968
Paternal, no.
615
00:36:19,552 --> 00:36:21,012
Slower! Stop!
616
00:36:22,055 --> 00:36:23,139
Move slowly!
617
00:36:26,851 --> 00:36:29,813
My father Gary's enthusiasm
for filmmaking
618
00:36:29,896 --> 00:36:32,315
was something I don't think
I've ever seen equaled.
619
00:36:33,066 --> 00:36:37,612
Every moment that my dad
was not actively engaged in shooting,
620
00:36:37,696 --> 00:36:39,906
he looked at�that as time lost.
621
00:36:42,283 --> 00:36:44,744
Gary and I, we got married when I was 21.
622
00:36:45,787 --> 00:36:48,415
And if he was scheduled
to be home at 10:00,
623
00:36:48,540 --> 00:36:52,961
and it went until 4:00 in the morning,
oh, well, he stayed.
624
00:36:55,046 --> 00:36:56,046
Action!
625
00:36:56,715 --> 00:36:58,925
Gary did as he was told.
626
00:36:59,259 --> 00:37:01,428
Orson put the camera where he wanted to,
627
00:37:01,511 --> 00:37:04,264
and Gary was, you know, just his slave.
628
00:37:05,056 --> 00:37:08,435
Orson would have the camera to
his eye and he'd say, "Come here, Gary."
629
00:37:08,643 --> 00:37:13,106
And then he'd move his head to the side,
and he said, "This is it, see it?"
630
00:37:14,816 --> 00:37:16,776
And I had to�make it exactly right.
631
00:37:20,029 --> 00:37:22,574
When I look back on it,
it's so complicated.
632
00:37:23,742 --> 00:37:25,076
You wanted to please him,
633
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,579
because you knew he was such an artist.
634
00:37:28,997 --> 00:37:31,166
I mean,�anything was possible with Orson.
635
00:37:31,499 --> 00:37:33,219
Everything had to happen right away,
636
00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:35,962
even when we didn't quite understand
what we were doing.
637
00:37:36,963 --> 00:37:38,006
There was no script.
638
00:37:39,048 --> 00:37:41,926
He was�constantly writing it
as he was going along.
639
00:37:42,010 --> 00:37:44,345
And fiddy-owney-owney-own!
640
00:37:44,429 --> 00:37:46,824
Sometimes I�had trouble
understanding some of the lines.
641
00:37:46,848 --> 00:37:47,682
What?
642
00:37:47,766 --> 00:37:50,769
I remember�one line was
the great "anonymous gang-shag."
643
00:37:50,852 --> 00:37:54,063
"And the cool, dim, anonymous gang-shag."
644
00:37:54,147 --> 00:37:56,858
And I didn't know
what that meant actually.
645
00:37:57,275 --> 00:38:01,529
Would somebody please tell me
why I'm going to a stupid party
646
00:38:01,613 --> 00:38:04,032
with all these stupid dummies?
647
00:38:04,824 --> 00:38:06,785
I had no idea
what all these dummies were.
648
00:38:06,868 --> 00:38:08,578
There were dummies out by the pool.
649
00:38:08,703 --> 00:38:11,539
They were there 'cause Orson said,
"Let's put these dummies out there."
650
00:38:12,123 --> 00:38:13,416
But it was like, "Well, why?"
651
00:38:13,917 --> 00:38:15,502
Didn't make any sense to me.
652
00:38:16,085 --> 00:38:18,797
But Orson knew exactly what he wanted.
653
00:38:19,214 --> 00:38:21,341
Every part of it was here.
654
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:22,800
To Baker,�one.
655
00:38:23,426 --> 00:38:26,012
We were�doing a scene and Orson said...
656
00:38:26,179 --> 00:38:28,139
Now a midget goes from behind you...
657
00:38:28,723 --> 00:38:31,059
All of you feel
midgets touching your feet.
658
00:38:31,309 --> 00:38:33,520
"Midgets running between your legs."
659
00:38:33,728 --> 00:38:35,522
- All right.
- Keep acting?
660
00:38:35,605 --> 00:38:37,482
It�s what�you do to make this work, right?
661
00:38:37,565 --> 00:38:41,236
Orson said, "Everybody look up!
Midgets on the roof!"
662
00:38:41,903 --> 00:38:45,240
I said, "Orson, what the heck
is this midgets bit?"
663
00:38:45,824 --> 00:38:49,828
And he said, "We're going to put
the midgets in later, in Spain."
664
00:38:50,411 --> 00:38:52,038
And then walked away.
665
00:38:54,707 --> 00:38:57,502
The rule of thumb was
Orson knows what he's doing,
666
00:38:57,794 --> 00:39:00,713
don't question anything. Just do it.
667
00:39:01,256 --> 00:39:04,259
I'm not sure he knew where this movie
was going, and, um...
668
00:39:04,759 --> 00:39:07,303
I'm not sure anybody did, actually.
669
00:39:09,347 --> 00:39:13,309
It's quite clear that Rich wasn't
comfortable with Orson's process.
670
00:39:13,810 --> 00:39:15,061
Wasn't a team player.
671
00:39:15,728 --> 00:39:18,773
Realistically, I suppose
he was counting down the days
672
00:39:18,857 --> 00:39:21,317
until he knew he had to leave.
673
00:39:21,901 --> 00:39:24,571
My three weeks was up, and I had to leave,
674
00:39:25,238 --> 00:39:28,533
because I had club engagements
that I can't get out of.
675
00:39:29,701 --> 00:39:31,870
And if I don't show up I'm gonna be sued.
676
00:39:32,662 --> 00:39:34,831
And I thought to myself, "Oh, my gosh,
677
00:39:34,914 --> 00:39:37,041
I'm not gonna be able
to finish this part."
678
00:39:41,212 --> 00:39:43,423
Well, here's what I remember happened.
679
00:39:43,590 --> 00:39:45,008
It was the�last night.
680
00:39:45,717 --> 00:39:47,802
The film was practically finished.
681
00:39:49,053 --> 00:39:51,514
We were supposed to shoot
this big scene.
682
00:39:52,265 --> 00:39:55,643
We went to�get him, Saturday morning,
he was gone.
683
00:39:57,562 --> 00:40:01,065
We were all�there waiting for him,
and he never showed up.
684
00:40:01,608 --> 00:40:04,360
As I recall, he wanted to go
to New Orleans for something.
685
00:40:04,444 --> 00:40:06,084
He had an�engagement in Las Vegas.
686
00:40:06,154 --> 00:40:10,241
Allegedly, Orson's secretary
had been having a relationship
687
00:40:10,325 --> 00:40:11,367
with Rich Little.
688
00:40:11,451 --> 00:40:13,828
He missed his wife
and he was tired of working.
689
00:40:13,912 --> 00:40:17,707
Orson said, "No! You're on a contract�here
for the next..." And he left and went.
690
00:40:19,584 --> 00:40:20,668
You don't do�that to Orson.
691
00:40:22,337 --> 00:40:23,796
He felt betrayed.
692
00:40:25,340 --> 00:40:28,968
I could've come back later
and finished the scenes.
693
00:40:29,052 --> 00:40:32,889
We never�discussed that, and I...
That always puzzled me.
694
00:40:33,514 --> 00:40:36,935
I thought, "They're gonna have to do
all those scenes over again.
695
00:40:37,018 --> 00:40:38,937
Oh, my gosh! I can't imagine."
696
00:40:40,104 --> 00:40:41,314
It was crazy.
697
00:40:42,273 --> 00:40:45,526
I have replaced actors
on the second week of shooting.
698
00:40:45,902 --> 00:40:47,320
But after seven weeks...
699
00:40:48,071 --> 00:40:49,071
it's impossible.
700
00:40:51,991 --> 00:40:54,327
I called him, I said, "How's it going?"
701
00:40:55,620 --> 00:40:56,620
"Terrible.
702
00:40:57,413 --> 00:41:00,249
I just blew 25 Gs
and I don't have that kind of bread.
703
00:41:00,625 --> 00:41:02,377
I had to pay off Rich Little."
704
00:41:02,835 --> 00:41:04,253
- "Why?"
- "He can't act!"
705
00:41:04,921 --> 00:41:07,161
"Oh, gee, I'm sorry to hear that.
What are you gonna do?"
706
00:41:07,256 --> 00:41:11,094
"I don't know what I'm gonna do.
I just can't use any of his stuff."
707
00:41:11,970 --> 00:41:14,013
He is a rough magician, isn't he?
708
00:41:14,389 --> 00:41:18,101
So I said, "That's terrible,
Orson. Why don't I play it?"
709
00:41:18,935 --> 00:41:20,895
He is a rough magician, isn't he?
710
00:41:21,646 --> 00:41:24,232
And then he said,
"Well, you're playing that other part."
711
00:41:25,733 --> 00:41:27,735
I said, "You can just cut me out of that."
712
00:41:32,115 --> 00:41:35,368
All right, men! Let's get organized.
Now where shall we start?
713
00:41:37,036 --> 00:41:41,374
John Huston goes, "Peter, how many
movies have you actually acted in now?"
714
00:41:42,291 --> 00:41:47,296
"Well, this is my second, Mr. Huston."
"Two? Makes it easy to count!"
715
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:52,552
Scene three�X, take one.
716
00:41:54,053 --> 00:41:57,181
Ah, red light.
717
00:41:57,724 --> 00:41:59,225
- No, we...
- Mr. Hannaford.
718
00:41:59,392 --> 00:42:01,728
Oh, shit, I'm sorry. I'll do that again.
719
00:42:01,811 --> 00:42:03,571
- Start again?
- Yeah, do it better.
720
00:42:03,646 --> 00:42:05,406
- You must�deal with every situation.
- Okay.
721
00:42:07,358 --> 00:42:10,903
Why snap your finger? We're not cutting.
Uh-uh.
722
00:42:12,405 --> 00:42:15,074
Orson said, "Play it like it's us."
723
00:42:18,077 --> 00:42:19,662
In case you haven't noticed,
724
00:42:19,746 --> 00:42:24,500
Peter Bogdanovich went from playing
exactly who he was in 1970,
725
00:42:24,917 --> 00:42:26,294
a young writer,
726
00:42:26,377 --> 00:42:31,090
to exactly he became in 1974,
a celebrated movie director.
727
00:42:32,216 --> 00:42:35,762
My book on�Hannaford's been canceled.
Indefinitely.
728
00:42:36,220 --> 00:42:39,060
Yeah, the first five chapters took
the two of us three and a half years.
729
00:42:39,140 --> 00:42:43,227
Finally, I�just had to start
directing myself so I could eat.
730
00:42:44,145 --> 00:42:47,106
- Ha! Good. Now right away...
- Do another one. Right.
731
00:42:47,774 --> 00:42:49,317
- Action?
- Action.
732
00:42:49,859 --> 00:42:52,487
I had to�start directing myself
so I could eat!
733
00:42:53,738 --> 00:42:55,740
- Cut! Very�good.
- That was�good.
734
00:42:56,991 --> 00:43:00,578
At that time,�Orson had
more influence on me than anybody.
735
00:43:01,913 --> 00:43:03,998
There's a number of myths
about you already,
736
00:43:04,082 --> 00:43:07,251
even though you're young. Like�the fact
that you had a goal set for yourself
737
00:43:07,335 --> 00:43:09,735
that you�would make a movie
at the same age Orson Welles did.
738
00:43:09,796 --> 00:43:13,216
Oh, I wanted... I thought I'd be a failure
if I didn't make a movie
739
00:43:13,466 --> 00:43:16,928
at least by the time I was 25,
which is when Orson made
740
00:43:17,261 --> 00:43:21,599
Citizen Kane, and I was a disaster
'cause I didn't make one until I was 27.
741
00:43:23,643 --> 00:43:26,687
My films�aren't like
his films, but he inspired me.
742
00:43:30,108 --> 00:43:32,652
Their relationship started
as mentor/mentee.
743
00:43:32,819 --> 00:43:36,280
But Peter was at the top
of an arc of a meteoric rise.
744
00:43:37,782 --> 00:43:39,575
You're as successful as you are
745
00:43:40,326 --> 00:43:43,287
and you have a gorgeous lady,
as you do have.
746
00:43:43,371 --> 00:43:44,539
Cybill, uh...
747
00:43:44,622 --> 00:43:46,916
Yes, let's not discuss what...
Yes, go ahead.
748
00:43:46,999 --> 00:43:50,878
You have her, you have four pictures
in a row that make 30 million dollars.
749
00:43:51,629 --> 00:43:53,548
A guy has to learn to hate you.
750
00:43:54,882 --> 00:43:57,635
Bogdanovich had outpaced his mentor.
751
00:44:02,849 --> 00:44:06,561
Orson realized, "He has money, I don't.
752
00:44:06,644 --> 00:44:08,688
I'm Orson�Welles, he's not.
753
00:44:13,317 --> 00:44:15,653
- What's wrong?
- The future.
754
00:44:16,988 --> 00:44:18,364
What's the matter with it?
755
00:44:19,198 --> 00:44:21,450
We cannot all be masters.
756
00:44:22,827 --> 00:44:26,706
Nor all masters�cannot be truly followed.
757
00:44:28,166 --> 00:44:30,501
I remember,
we were sitting at lunch one day,
758
00:44:30,877 --> 00:44:33,004
and on top of the refrigerator was this
759
00:44:33,087 --> 00:44:35,882
industrial size bag of Fritos.
760
00:44:36,382 --> 00:44:40,469
Orson tore the top of it off,�poured most
of the contents onto the kitchen table,
761
00:44:40,636 --> 00:44:43,389
sat down, took a big bunch of Fritos,
put it in his mouth.
762
00:44:44,724 --> 00:44:46,684
So, of course, I did the same thing.
763
00:44:50,313 --> 00:44:53,858
Absolutely out of the blue,
Orson just turned to me and said,
764
00:44:53,941 --> 00:44:57,153
"If anything happens to me, I want�you
to promise me you'll finish the picture."
765
00:44:57,945 --> 00:45:00,323
I said, "Oh Jesus,�Orson,
why do you say a thing like that?
766
00:45:00,448 --> 00:45:02,259
Nothing�s gonna�happen to you.
Why do you say..."
767
00:45:02,283 --> 00:45:04,243
"I know, nothing's gonna happen."
768
00:45:06,037 --> 00:45:07,637
Hey, why pick on me?
769
00:45:08,164 --> 00:45:11,334
I mean, the�man is infested
with disciples. I'm the apostle, lady.
770
00:45:12,251 --> 00:45:15,296
The film deals with the betrayal
of friendship.
771
00:45:16,088 --> 00:45:17,548
Movies and friendship.
772
00:45:18,174 --> 00:45:19,634
Those are mysteries.
773
00:45:20,176 --> 00:45:22,136
He tested people with that.
774
00:45:23,429 --> 00:45:27,850
Betrayal can�only come
if there's an initial love present.
775
00:45:28,017 --> 00:45:31,062
- You two are�very close, aren't you?
- Yes, I'd�like to ask you about that.
776
00:45:31,854 --> 00:45:36,734
Orson created an environment where
others would get sucked into it.
777
00:45:37,985 --> 00:45:40,071
It was all within Orson's control.
778
00:45:41,113 --> 00:45:43,449
And he was�creating an inevitability.
779
00:45:43,824 --> 00:45:46,118
She's gonna�say I stole everything
from you, skipper,
780
00:45:46,202 --> 00:45:47,828
I'm never gonna walk away from�that.
781
00:45:47,995 --> 00:45:49,835
Well, it's all right to borrow
from each other.
782
00:45:49,872 --> 00:45:51,832
What we must never do
is borrow from�ourselves.
783
00:45:55,503 --> 00:45:57,338
We winked and nodded at each other,
784
00:45:57,421 --> 00:45:59,882
which was like,
my God, this is going to happen.
785
00:45:59,966 --> 00:46:02,260
This inevitability is going to occur.
786
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,055
'Course you're close, you two.
You have to be.
787
00:46:07,473 --> 00:46:08,516
You have no choice.
788
00:46:12,937 --> 00:46:16,232
Orson had gone to
the looking glass and passed beyond it.
789
00:46:18,067 --> 00:46:21,696
The story was now being re-written
in real time.
790
00:46:24,949 --> 00:46:28,077
There was a�scene in which Hannaford
comes into the party
791
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,037
with a blond teenager on his arm.
792
00:46:30,162 --> 00:46:31,414
She was pretty young.
793
00:46:31,497 --> 00:46:33,249
What was her name, Mavis Henshaw?
794
00:46:33,332 --> 00:46:35,793
- What's your�name, sweetie?
- Mavis Henscher.
795
00:46:36,085 --> 00:46:39,755
Actually, she was this little
waitress we found at a breakfast place.
796
00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:41,559
Want me to�bring you another scotch?
797
00:46:42,008 --> 00:46:46,178
And we just went... �That's Mavis.�
798
00:46:46,554 --> 00:46:50,224
She didn't know who Orson Welles was.
She didn't know who John Huston was.
799
00:46:51,017 --> 00:46:54,520
And there were times
when their combined energies
800
00:46:54,603 --> 00:46:57,273
could barely�get a performance out of her.
66503
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