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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:01:01,000 PeG@SuS Urang Sunda Asli 2 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:35,240 You said we can thank the literature for everything we are and have been. 3 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:40,600 If the books disappear, history disappears, and so does man. 4 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:46,360 You are probably right. The books do not just contain our dreams and memories. 5 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,560 They give us insight into our own consciousness. 6 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,680 Some see reading as a kind of escape from reality- 7 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,440 -to the fictional world of the book. 8 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:03,120 Books are more than that. They make us more human. 9 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:37,760 Henry Wessells of James Cummins. We're at the New York Book Fair. 10 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:43,320 Here you switch between pure boredom and fantastic discoveries. 11 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:51,440 I have a Ph.D. in Spanish lyric poetry from the 15th century. 12 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:56,880 After 15 years at university, I became an antiquarian bookseller. 13 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,600 So I have had some amazing books in my hands. 14 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:10,000 We also had JP Morgan's copy, which he bought in 1897. 15 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:15,840 He also bought a first edition of the very first book that was printed: 16 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,760 Gutenberg's Bible. For 2,750 pounds. SECRET 17 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,680 Printed on velvet. It is now worth $ 40 million. 18 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:28,680 Just before the fair, we received a Hemingway archive 19 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:34,560 -which contained a Castro doll, which was a bit surprising. 20 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:39,800 It's been pretty good. A little less to take home. 21 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:44,120 I trade in big books, so it's great to sell some of them. 22 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,400 I put it on the shelf again. 23 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:08,920 One third of what I sell is "esoterica", ie cult material. 24 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,960 Demon teaching, witchcraft, fetishism, subculture and counterculture. 25 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:20,440 The more embarrassingly something touches others, the more it appeals to me. 26 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:29,680 New York is the world's best book fair, mostly because of its location. 27 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:36,320 Right in the middle of the Upper East Side in a beautiful historic building. 28 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,680 A building that is a bit "overripe". 29 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,240 The building has been here since the Civil War- 30 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:49,680 -but in the early 1900s, this hall was full of tennis courts. 31 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,360 I played tennis here as a youngster. 32 00:03:55,240 --> 00:04:01,160 I brought along this year. When they ask if I want to take a closer look at something- 33 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:07,920 - I say no. "I can not afford a book for $ 85,000." 34 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:14,000 Someone showed me a book anyway. She asked if I wanted to see it. 35 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,720 So she showed it to me. 36 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:21,640 I barely dared touch it. I will not end up in an O. Henry short story. 37 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,320 "Now I have to pay you back for the rest of my life." 38 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,640 People's nonchalant attitude surprised me. 39 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:36,080 A guy put a drink on a book. At my house he had been dead! 40 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:44,720 There are collectors and then there are people who wonder what they are doing. 41 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:49,160 A collector is a sick, obsessed and manic person- 42 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,560 -who would sell his grandmother to buy something one likes. 43 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:02,600 It's a pure fantasy experience, and unlike going to the library- 44 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,640 - everything is for sale! 45 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:09,120 The task of antique bookstores is to inculcate novice 46 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,640 -how amazing the book is as a collector's item. 47 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:19,440 Good bookstores can maintain their customer relationship for up to 30 years. 48 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:24,240 In other words, those who trade in rare books have 49 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:28,640 -the ability to appreciate these books. 50 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:33,520 I was with a friend who is a wonderful Spanish writer. 51 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:39,520 He almost cried when I showed him a fourth edition of "Don Quixote" - 52 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,800 -printed in Brussels in 1611, while Cervantes was still alive. 53 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:49,520 But that was not where he cried. He cried when he saw the price: 120,000. 54 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:55,880 He cried when he saw a first edition of Ian Fleming's "Casino Royale" - 55 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:00,280 -for $ 130,000. It can make anyone cry. 56 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:08,200 The clock in the exhibition hall has stopped at an impossible time. 57 00:06:08,280 --> 00:06:11,920 That time does not exist. Just like in a casino 58 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,200 - people should not think about what time it is. 59 00:06:15,280 --> 00:06:20,080 It can feel like being on your way to populate a distant galaxy. 60 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:25,000 With a slightly strange genetic selection. 61 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,720 "People have put fortunes under control, traveled half the Earth around- 62 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:42,000 - lied, cheated and stolen, all for a book. "ASW Rosenbach 63 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:47,640 Collecting books was a refined thing. It was the hobby of the English nobility. 64 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:54,520 The typical book collector was an elderly man in a tweed jacket. 65 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,160 -And a pipe. -Yes. And a glass of sherry. 66 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,880 And they apparently always went in tweed. 67 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:09,240 When people think of antique bookstores, they assume 68 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,320 -film, television and pop literature. 69 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,040 -I was just ... -The arcade is opposite. 70 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,160 Here we only sell small, square objects called books. 71 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:25,520 -Are you here? That went fast. - They have a fortune in there. 72 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,160 - You're a vulture! -It's all in our industry. 73 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,920 - Sorry for the mess. -Are you an author? 74 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,040 -Bookseller. -Javel. 75 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:43,520 Do you have a "Ben-Hur" from 1863 with a double sentence on page 116? 76 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,840 It's for Miss Hanff. 77 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,520 It would be fun to ask people- 78 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,960 -how they imagine an antiquarian bookstore. 79 00:07:55,040 --> 00:08:01,120 They will not imagine a model. Rather an older person. 80 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:07,160 Everyone has their own opinion, but it is usually romanticized. 81 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:12,880 And at an antique book fair, you see people who fit into that template. 82 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:19,360 The most important bookstore of the 20th century- 83 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,040 -was undoubtedly ASW Rosenbach. 84 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:27,200 He reigned supreme until the 1950s. 85 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:33,480 It is from the classic Rosenbach biography 86 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,240 -by Edwin Wolf II and John Fleming. 87 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,640 "Abraham Simon Wolf Rosenbach had plump, pink cheeks. 88 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:46,960 a twinkle in his eye and he walked like a penguin would walk- 89 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,640 -if a penguin could walk like Rosy. " 90 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:54,280 "He was constantly puffing on a pipe, drinking a bottle of whiskey a day- 91 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,200 and was the world's leading antiquarian bookstore. " 92 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,560 "He even admitted it himself." 93 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,800 "'The doctor', as he was called by friends and staff- 94 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,240 -bought for decades the most important books- 95 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:14,080 -which was auctioned off in England and the United States. " 96 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:19,160 Leona Rostenberg and Madeleine Stern started in the industry 1945- 97 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:25,080 -and they had an incredibly long career of over 60 years. 98 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,480 It was unusual with women in the industry. 99 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:32,520 Most antiquarian booksellers were men. 100 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:38,800 They became known for selling fantastic books to libraries. 101 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:43,920 -and for their travels to Europe, where they found books- 102 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,080 -which no one thought existed. 103 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:53,120 They discovered that Louisa May Alcott also wrote colored literature. 104 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:57,120 Often books filled with sex and violence. 105 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,200 They found the pseudonyms and the books- 106 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:07,280 -and managed to gather the pieces about the author's life. 107 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:25,440 Nothing yet. Ross Tuckman and Mike Welosky said no. 108 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,640 -Jimmy Robinson could not. -Fine. 109 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,920 - Have you heard anything from Dan? -No. I think a little. 110 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,840 I have a film crew here. 111 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,960 At your home? Why? 112 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:48,640 A friend makes a documentary about bookstores, and I'm. 113 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:55,160 I know lots of better bookstores. They also look better. 114 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,640 How did you end up in the book business? 115 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,200 I guess I'm not good at anything else. 116 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:12,480 I was considering my future and there was a bookstore in Queens- 117 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:19,360 -where I often came. I bought these books there. 118 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,440 Four volumes of Lewis and Clark's diaries, the Coues edition. 119 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:29,600 It cost $ 75. More than I had ever spent on a book. 120 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:34,480 I saved together and bought them. He needed a part-time 121 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:36,800 -and suddenly I was in the book business. 122 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:42,920 It's a 1907 photo album, "The Search for Mammoth". 123 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:49,560 An expedition found a frozen mammoth, which they dug up. 124 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,840 But what makes the album so special- 125 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:58,720 -that they inserted some samples of real mammoth hair at the back of the book. 126 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,880 It's real mammoth hair, which may be 15,000 years old. 127 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:13,800 -I'm here almost every day. -How many teams do you play on? 128 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:17,440 Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday ... Seven. 129 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,440 And then I'm replacing on an eighth, but only occasionally. 130 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,200 - Do you love softball? -Yes. 131 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:34,200 -How long have you lived here? -18-19 years. 1998. 132 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:38,160 19 years. Hold on then ... scary. 133 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,320 It took three months to move. 134 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:52,680 I got up, went in here and built bookshelves all day. 135 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,840 I went home, packed books until midnight, slept a little, and got up again- 136 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,840 -cycled here and built several bookshelves. And so on... 137 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:07,720 When I buy a new book, I have to relocate. There is no more space. 138 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,640 This book about the catacombs of Rome is so heavy- 139 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:16,040 -that it's been there since I put it there 15 years ago. 140 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:20,640 I took it to a fair. Never again. So it says- 141 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:26,720 -until someone comes and asks for a book about the catacombs of Rome. 142 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:33,480 This is a monograph on fish fossils from the 18th century. 143 00:13:33,560 --> 00:13:40,160 It is a large book with amazing plates of fish fossils. 144 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:47,040 Life-size. So the big fish 145 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:51,640 -has very large plates. Like this. 146 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,680 They can get even bigger. 147 00:13:58,680 --> 00:14:01,600 Playboy, go home. 148 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,680 Strand was founded by my grandfather in 1927- 149 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,440 -in a famous area of ​​New York, Book Row. 150 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:33,120 There were 48 booksellers. Today, only Strand is left. 151 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,720 My dad got a job there when he was 13. 152 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:42,200 He would rather be on the floor. His desk was in the middle of the store. 153 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:49,440 I met some wonderful, eccentric and charming people- 154 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,120 -at the bookstores on Fourth Avenue. 155 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:59,920 I remember it was a bunch of slightly dusty Jewish men- 156 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,880 -who got annoyed if one wanted to buy a book. 157 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,920 They were not businessmen. 158 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:13,240 They just wanted to read all day. In hot weather they sat outside. 159 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,120 They were covered in dust and their fingers were yellow with nicotine. 160 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,120 They wore glasses because they had been reading in the dark since childhood. 161 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:26,560 If they were politely asked what a book cost, they did not look up. 162 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,840 I thought I would end up like that. 163 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:34,840 One could find anything. They did not know what they had. 164 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:40,920 If you were lucky, you got a prize. About 40 cents, so that was good. 165 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,040 That was not the case in Strand. 166 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:49,000 I often found books there and asked someone about them- 167 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:53,720 and he said, "Where did you find it?" "Behind that door." 168 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,560 "You must not be there! They are not price marked yet." 169 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:02,720 So a big part of the experience for me is sniffing around the store. 170 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,840 I still do, even if you are not allowed to. 171 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,480 I'm sorry I did not photograph the street. 172 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,920 It has really changed. 173 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:24,920 There was traffic in both directions on 59th Street, also by tram. 174 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:31,080 It was founded by our father in 1925. 175 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,120 One of Fourth Avenue's bookstores. 176 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,200 When he opened, he did not have enough books- 177 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,400 -so he put them sideways. 178 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:48,040 We were there on Saturday, sharpening pencils and looking at the children's books. 179 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:52,800 I wanted to work there one summer when I went to college. 180 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:59,280 But I could not type, so I had to find another job. 181 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,800 It was the same the summer after. "Can you type now?" 182 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:08,119 So he was not trying to get us to work there. 183 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:13,200 People ask how he got all his daughters to work there. 184 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,319 "I am lucky." 185 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:19,359 But he never told us that was his goal. 186 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,920 We thought it was our own decision. 187 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:29,720 My mom started working in the industry when I was ten. 188 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,760 She was amazing. She created the gallery upstairs. 189 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:39,840 She said my father should not force us to work there. 190 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,000 She was smart. 191 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:48,560 On the top floor is the autograph department. 192 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:53,240 I started it to have my own. I have many sisters. 193 00:17:54,480 --> 00:18:01,720 I love baseball. Here we have a baseball signed by Bill Clinton. 194 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,520 Zack has collected 11,012 baseballs from various Major League matches. 195 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,200 He's also your world champion in "Arkanoid". 196 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:13,040 It can be autographs of money from the colonial era- 197 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,560 and autographs in different languages ​​that are impossible to interpret. 198 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,040 It's a constant hunt. 199 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:33,920 -Why has your store survived? -We own the property. 200 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:39,200 Our father bought the building and we have received many offers. 201 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:45,640 The brokers call five to ten times a week, but we do not sell. 202 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:50,000 It is not excluded, but not for the money they offer. 203 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:54,000 Then we had to close and we enjoy being here. 204 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,440 So we pay for the joy of working here. 205 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:03,880 If I had an hour between different commitments- 206 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:10,760 -I found a bookstore. And back then, all booksellers were self-employed. 207 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,360 The employees were real booksellers. 208 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,960 They decided for themselves what they wanted to sell. 209 00:19:18,120 --> 00:19:23,080 Not like at Barnes & Noble. Today's youth say to me: 210 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:28,000 "My Barnes & Noble is closed." But they forced everyone else to close! 211 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:36,600 It was an old-fashioned store. Books everywhere and a cat, Linda. 212 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,480 It was Skyline Books on West 18th Street 13. 213 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:45,720 My specialties were beatnik culture, photography, art. 214 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:50,600 We were probably known as a shop for collectors. 215 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,960 I was behind with the rent so I had to close. 216 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,560 The business was going badly. People bought books online. 217 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:06,640 It was a hard time. We held many sales in the end. 218 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:11,640 75% discount. Even 90% off at some point. 219 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,120 It was fun as long as it lasted. 220 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:22,000 In the 1950s, there were 368 bookstores in New York City. 221 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,240 Today there are 79. 222 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,960 The decline in bookstores has had a major effect. 223 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,320 It was a path into the industry. 224 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:38,920 I grew up in the 70s and learned everything from antique bookstores. 225 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,440 There you got a sense of the material. 226 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,960 I lived almost in bookstores and antique shops. 227 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,720 I went from New England to New Jersey- 228 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,320 and stopped at all antiquarian bookstores along the way. 229 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:02,480 Car trips were an important way of obtaining materials. 230 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:07,840 We filled a station wagon with books and sent loads of books home. 231 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,040 This is how it was done before. 232 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,560 People do not have the patience to botanize. 233 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:19,720 Most people want a specific book. It requires some interest 234 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:26,080 -for that one should want to find a book that one was not looking for. 235 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,720 One has to see a large selection to be able to price books. 236 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:37,840 An experienced bookseller can see if it is an ordinary book- 237 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,880 -which should have a regular price, or whether it requires a little imagination. 238 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,280 I have a pretty good imagination. 239 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,200 My first job in the industry was at Strand as a teenager- 240 00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:53,720 -and to see Fred Bass review thousands of incoming books. 241 00:21:53,880 --> 00:22:00,320 He sorted them so quickly. "It's good," I said. "No". 242 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,640 He was so fast. 243 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,560 I thought I understood books- 244 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,800 -but he saw something in them that I did not perceive. 245 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:16,680 In the last year, we have seen an explosive increase 246 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:21,680 -in the number of physical antique shops- 247 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,040 -which sells material from the post-war period. 248 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:30,800 But they can not replace the antique shops that existed before. 249 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:38,440 This will be our business. Right now it's a shoe store. 250 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,880 We got the keys yesterday and open for March. 251 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:49,000 We are part of a boom in local, independent bookstores- 252 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:53,080 -which really works locally and takes care of- 253 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:58,480 the interests and needs of the residents, which the chains did not. 254 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,840 A moment. The Adam Weinberger Antique Store. 255 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,320 There is a bad connection. Plays from the 19th century? 256 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:21,560 My stores are getting full and it's expensive to rent in Manhattan. 257 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:26,200 -so I chose to gather everything in one apartment instead. 258 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,120 Kansas. 259 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:34,880 The Adam Weinberger Antique Store. What books are these? 260 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:42,240 The sides are of parchment, so think about how many cows have been used for it. 261 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:50,000 It's hard to know if anyone will sell. 262 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,400 I once went to someone's house with a couple of empty filing cabinets. 263 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:59,120 -which are good to have books in, but the lady who opened the door- 264 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:04,760 - looked at the boxes and said, "You will not need them today." 265 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,680 I understand her. Here I come and want to ravage- 266 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,080 -a decades old collection. 267 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,520 - Did he buy them all at Gotham? -Yes. 268 00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:28,200 I also love cats. That's why I like Gore so much. 269 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:38,240 Unsigned beatnik material, books missing covers ... 270 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:44,520 There are ten copies of all that on the web. Especially by Kerouac. 271 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:02,320 Here lived my uncle Jack Allentuck and his wife Marsha Allentuck. 272 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:08,200 They were academics. I take care of everything I inherited from them. 273 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,320 The remains of theirs, so to speak. 274 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,600 That sounded interesting. The woman teaches art history. 275 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,520 She was an expert on Blake and the Romantic 276 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,640 -and I immediately felt that there was potential. 277 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:34,920 I usually look a little ... Here may be some grains of gold. 278 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:43,360 It's just exciting every time. You are a place- 279 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:49,080 -where anyone has put their soul in the collection. Not just physically 280 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:54,880 -but intellectually, and one can see what caught their interest. 281 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:08,000 More has changed in the last 15 years than in the previous 150 years. 282 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:14,080 For several generations, there were so-called book scouts 283 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,480 -which existed on the fringes of the world of books- 284 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,240 and merged books and bookstores. 285 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:27,240 They visited church bazaars, estates, library outlets and so on. 286 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,360 And it was a symbiotic relationship. 287 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,120 Today, book scouts are an endangered species. 288 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,680 Martin Stone was a legend. 289 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,960 A charismatic musician who almost became a member of the Rolling Stones. 290 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:48,320 He traveled with his band, and in his spare time he visited bookstores. 291 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:53,440 Fantastic book scout. Exquisite taste. Understood the connection between books. 292 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,080 He was like a living encyclopedia. 293 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:03,520 I just found a book that appeals to me tremendously. 294 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,800 He always carried around a lot of plastic bags. 295 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,640 He was already done when the rest of us started. 296 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:16,360 He showed us his purchases and told about them. I learned a lot. 297 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:22,480 Martin did not just know everything. He could also impart his knowledge. 298 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,400 His understanding of book- 299 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:30,000 -stretched from the offer box all the way up to the expensive, locked cupboards. 300 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:36,280 The industry changed dramatically when computers came along. 301 00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:41,480 Books that had cost $ 50, $ 75, $ 100, $ 100 and $ 125 302 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:46,800 - suddenly cost $ 20-30 and there were plenty of them. 303 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,840 It's almost harder to find a cheap book than an expensive one. 304 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,560 -because you had to find it yourself. 305 00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,720 In the last ten years, all the garbage that has accumulated dust somewhere has 306 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:06,040 -appeared on the Internet. The supply has increased enormously. 307 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,760 This applies to books, toys. Anything. 308 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,120 The internet ruined everything. It's good for collectors- 309 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:21,200 -who can find books they've been looking for for decades. 310 00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:27,240 But surviving as an antique shop is almost impossible. 311 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,000 Being a collector is about the hunt, not the object. 312 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,160 You look for a book for 20 years, find it, have an orgasm 313 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,000 -and puts it away. 314 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:44,440 The Internet has ruined the hunt. Give me your credit card and 45 minutes- 315 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,480 -then I can get an almost complete Edith Wharton collection. 316 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,080 But why should I? 317 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,160 The Internet will always be a double-edged sword. 318 00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:02,520 Today one must have the best, the cheapest or the only edition. 319 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,880 The Internet changed the concept of "rare". 320 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,680 Those who deal with very special things 321 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:17,960 - received confirmation from the internet. "I have things you can't get your hands on." 322 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,960 But working with modern first editions was devastating. 323 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,120 They had to adapt or die. 324 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:32,040 The industry today has become colder. An era is over. 325 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:37,200 The Internet, of course, democratizes supply and demand. 326 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:43,080 But it has also killed a lot of the dark, gloomy and funny. 327 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,280 One problem is that the printed word disappears. 328 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:55,360 If you say "Kindle", there are probably many in the industry who shake. 329 00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:00,400 Many wonder where we end up. If you do not need to print books 330 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:06,680 -but get them on his electronic device, then what are we going to sell? 331 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,240 That is a legitimate concern. 332 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:17,720 An incredible example of this we got at the Oscars in 2006- 333 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:23,400 -when Larry McMurtry won an Oscar for best screenplay after a book- 334 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,120 -for "Brokeback Mountain". 335 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,920 Finally, I want to thank all the bookstores in the world. 336 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,920 "Brokeback Mountain" was a book first. 337 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,680 From the small bookstores to the world's largest bookstore 338 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:43,520 -have you all contributed to the book's survival. 339 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:48,280 A wonderful form of culture that we must not lose. 340 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,720 People always want what is unique. 341 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,920 Interest in modern first editions is falling in favor of collectors' items. 342 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:02,080 and quirky, printed materials which previously had no collector value- 343 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,720 -but that is interesting. 344 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:10,520 Technology has made archives more interesting to institutions. 345 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,120 We sold a few files to a foundation in Tulsa, Oklahoma. 346 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,960 Woodie Guthries and Bob Dylan's Archive. 347 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,880 e can take all the audiovisual material 348 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,640 -and turn it into a gold mine- 349 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,960 -for fans and academics. You could not do that ten years ago. 350 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:39,440 I cleaned up my office and had all the material from my books- 351 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,560 -all the articles from The New Yorker and all my notes- 352 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,080 -and I started thinking that I might not have to throw it away. 353 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:54,200 I've known Glenn for a long time, and I knew he had sold 354 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,640 -other archives. 355 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:02,520 He looked at my material and we talked about where it should go. 356 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:09,200 -and found that it fit best in an academic library. 357 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:14,680 It was a strange feeling to become someone's homework. 358 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:21,240 The positive is that everything is now really well organized. 359 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,880 The irony of being at Columbia University- 360 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:30,640 -and I'm going there this summer and to use the archive for a book project. 361 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:37,160 But when so much of the work today is done on a computer 362 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:43,360 -I'm thinking about how we can learn something about the author's process. 363 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:48,040 The computer leaves no trace of editing. 364 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,600 The difference between an archive and a collection is 365 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:59,680 -that the archive contains everything. Also the more unexpected parts. 366 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:06,160 We have collections from Malcolm X, Lorraine Hansberry- 367 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,560 and James Baldwin. 368 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:14,440 Baldwin grew up in Harlem and learned to read at the Schomburg Center. 369 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,920 -so he really belongs here. 370 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:23,680 His archive contains both notes, completed novels- 371 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,520 -and a lot of different drafts. 372 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:31,000 There are notes he has made at bars and at various hotels. 373 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,520 One can follow Baldwin's development as a writer. 374 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:40,080 Everything from early poems to the works we know and love today. 375 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,520 The curator, a position I held for many years, is an important 376 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,720 -which both provide material to the institution- 377 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,040 -and make sure to forward it. 378 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:56,400 One should also try to look at the collection as a whole. 379 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,480 What does it mean? How to find the connection in the material? 380 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,040 It comes from a love of the material. 381 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,719 I had it, both as a writer and as a book collector. 382 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,239 So I had bought books before and I knew sellers- 383 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,440 -which has helped build the collections. 384 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:22,560 Another interesting thing is how collectors shape the collections- 385 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:26,280 -which ends up in the various archives. 386 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,520 We've told about the lives of black people - 387 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:35,199 -creativity and cultural significance for almost a century. 388 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:42,480 But I do not know if we have fully understood the significance of all that. 389 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:47,199 MY SOUL HAS BECOME AS DEEP AS THE RIVERS 390 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:02,560 I did not think I should be a bookseller. I had no idea. 391 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:11,040 After high school, I got a job with JN Bartfield on 57th Street. 392 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,880 I was a specialist in finely bound sets. 393 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:20,400 I worked there for 13 years before I decided to quit. 394 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:27,280 I started going to the estate at five-six in the morning. 395 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:32,600 In the beginning, I lived in my parents' basement in the Bronx. 396 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:39,280 I went to an estate in Connecticut and I was at the front of the queue. 397 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:44,040 I entered the room and on the bookshelf I saw- 398 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:49,640 -a fantastic set of Balzac's works, about 40 volumes. 399 00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:54,120 The whole set cost $ 200. 400 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,640 I ran there and shouted, "They are mine!" 401 00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:02,480 "Do not touch them! They are mine!" What a find! 402 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,520 I will never forget that. That's how it all started. 403 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:15,360 We trade in luxury goods. Books are still underrated. 404 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:21,240 People do not understand how much work lies in the binding. 405 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:27,200 Leather bindings must be maintained. People can not find out. 406 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:35,160 If they are in good condition, it is enough to give them oil every 5 to 10 years. 407 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:46,480 The first thing people ask is, "What makes a book rare?" 408 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:51,400 This means they are hard to find and are coveted. 409 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,240 There are three kinds of people who buy books. 410 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,160 Private collectors, dealers filling their warehouses 411 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,600 and institutions. 412 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:08,360 The problem today is that there are fewer and fewer private collectors. 413 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,880 We talked about the smell of old books- 414 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,280 -and about the magic that the beautiful editions radiate. 415 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,000 It was interesting how they set the prices. 416 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:28,640 We have specific interests, so if we find something, we buy it. 417 00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:31,600 If it is not too expensive. 418 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,160 I forgot the money at home, and it's good the same- 419 00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:38,080 -because I was tempted. 420 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,640 My parents were interested in antiques- 421 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:33,400 -and I got five cents every time I behaved nicely in a store. 422 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:38,120 Eventually, I had enough money to buy a book. 423 00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:43,440 I really did not want to collect rare books- 424 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:48,080 -but I liked Frank Baum's stories. 425 00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:51,600 When I was 12 years old- 426 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:58,400 -Columbia University had an exhibition on Frank Baum's works. 427 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:03,600 They were looking for some things they had not been able to get. 428 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:11,120 My parents saw the article and I became the youngest lender 429 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,640 -to Columbia University ever. 430 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:21,320 At that time, children's books were not considered 431 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:26,600 -as something special. There were books like "Alice in Wonderland" - 432 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:32,520 -but the one who sold his first edition of "The Wizard of Oz" to me- 433 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,480 -did not know it was a first edition. 434 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,680 It cost five dollars. 435 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,640 I love working with books. It never felt like work. 436 00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:49,360 In 1967, Maurice Sendak searched for early books on mechanics. 437 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,760 -by Lothar Meggendorfer. 438 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:57,880 I had some pieces and we eventually became friends. 439 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:04,920 By the end of 1969, I had just started a company 440 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:11,960 -and wanted Maurice Sendak to illustrate the catalog cover. 441 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:17,320 And he agreed. And Maurice's genius 442 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,280 -when he made caricatures, 443 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,880 -that he drew both me and my companion as teddy bears. 444 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:30,800 I was the bear dressed in the vest. 445 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:37,080 And that was the beginning of a much closer friendship. 446 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:47,360 This is our gallery on Broadway. Today it is used for storage. 447 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:54,080 Here are originals by Maurice Sendak and our other collectibles. 448 00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:58,360 Namely, Chinese propaganda with President Mao. 449 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:03,680 Maurice once came by and he called it 450 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:09,360 -a Mao and Mo exhibition. Mao on the one hand, Sendak on the other. 451 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,400 Mo is his nickname. 452 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:21,160 "A book is so much more than just reading it." Maurice Sendak. 453 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:29,240 I bought the most expensive American book ever for a customer in 1989. 454 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,720 Poe's first book, "Tamerlane". 455 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,920 It is called the black tulip in American literature. 456 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,600 There are only a handful of it. 457 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:44,440 Someone had bought it at a thrift store for $ 15. 458 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,160 I gave $ 200,000 for it. 459 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,600 It is a good table saver. Someone had put a glass on the 460 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,280 -and left a circle on the cover. 461 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:06,000 I'll probably get a wider selection in than most in the industry. 462 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,840 For example, I have handled books bound with human skin. 463 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:16,040 I have had two such books. Both were English editions 464 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,440 -of Hans Holbein's "Dance of Death". 465 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:25,760 One was bound by George Sutcliffe, the great English bookbinder. 466 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:30,680 -and on the cover there was a skull made of bones and teeth. 467 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,760 It was a powerful philosophical object, and some human- 468 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:41,920 -would not get near it while others would touch it. 469 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,560 These gemstone bindings are the most beautiful in world history. 470 00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:50,920 The book was taken to Sangorski & Sutcliffe- 471 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:57,240 -which encapsulated it in 24 carat gold and adorned it with precious stones. 472 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,560 The book was opened between the gold. 473 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:09,480 Not many people know that there are waves of fashion in our industry as well. 474 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:15,520 But there was a time when a perfect cover was very in. 475 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,400 In the 80s and early 90s. 476 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:25,080 In the beginning, they were just to protect the book from dust. 477 00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:29,000 It was thrown away when one bought the book. 478 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:35,040 Let's take "The Great Gatsby" by F. Scott Fitzgerald. 479 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:40,520 A first edition in fine condition costs $ 5,000. 480 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:47,920 A first edition with a worn cover costs $ 15,000. 481 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:54,880 A first edition with a cover in good condition costs $ 150,000. 482 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,240 And that's probably due to 483 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:03,200 -that the cover is considered art. 484 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,960 Thank God for collectors who kept the covers- 485 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:14,760 and made us aware of their information value. 486 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:19,480 The first book says something completely different from the tenth book. 487 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:24,280 -and certain biographical information is sometimes found only there. 488 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,880 We're trying to bind a book in Mylar. 489 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,280 We use the 5 mm variant. 490 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:50,960 And with a little luck ... it fits the book perfectly. 491 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:56,160 I have heard people say that if a book is signed to a particular 492 00:44:56,240 --> 00:45:01,080 -and that person is known, the value of the book increases. 493 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:07,040 If it is signed to an unknown person, the book is worth less. 494 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,920 But I do not understand that at all. 495 00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:16,200 Books signed by the author- 496 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:22,720 -to an important person suddenly became extremely important. 497 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:28,280 In the past, people were looking for first editions with nice covers. 498 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,840 -but now it became more important with important signatures. 499 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,840 I like all interesting books- 500 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,360 -but I became interested in books with a special story. 501 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,880 The best books seem to have been run over by a bus. 502 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,600 But it has to be the right bus. 503 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:54,320 That some books are rare is not because everyone wants those books. 504 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,760 Those who appreciate rare book- 505 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,280 -are as rare as the books themselves. 506 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:09,840 We start bidding on the 45,000 Enigma machine. 507 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,120 50.000. 55.000. 508 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,080 Rare books fall into the category of 509 00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:22,120 objects of antiquarian interest. They do not fit into the art category- 510 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,440 -or in the furniture category and they are not the same customers- 511 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,560 -which buys collectibles. 512 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,760 Things that were once considered volatile 513 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,760 -are now central to the industry, and to the collections- 514 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,600 -because they tell a different story. 515 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,240 Everything falls under the heading "evidence". 516 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,320 I was interested in early 517 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,360 -the broad definition of historical evidence. 518 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:59,440 At that time, many traditional historians claimed 519 00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,960 -that the visual material did not constitute evidence. 520 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:12,800 A good bookseller is a different kind of discoverer and storyteller. 521 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:20,520 They see the raw material and make important contextual contributions. 522 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,440 Therefore, they save their descriptions- 523 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:29,760 -to not lose all the history they have researched. 524 00:47:30,000 --> 00:48:30,000 PeG@SuS Urang Sunda Asli 525 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:36,000 I am suspicious of people who deal with the sale of rare books- 526 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:40,520 -as we were a kind of guardians of a holy flame. 527 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:45,800 It's too light, too superficial. But it is important. 528 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:54,200 I want to strike a blow for the printed material in a digital world. 529 00:47:54,280 --> 00:48:00,000 Physical objects often contain evidence that is a solid component. 530 00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,920 Such as ownership, listing 531 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:09,680 -how the book is processed, type of binding, paper quality. 532 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,680 You can find things in the physical edition of the book- 533 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,520 -which tells their own story. 534 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:21,280 One of my oldest friends and clients is Michael Zinman. 535 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:26,640 He has one of the best collections of early printed material from the United States. 536 00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:32,720 I asked myself what was left of early printed editions. 537 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,600 I could only find out by buying, looking and asking. 538 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:43,600 I never hesitated to buy a second or third copy of the same book. 539 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:48,840 Or a fourth copy. I just kept buying. And along the way 540 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:53,800 -I started comparing the editions. And then you learn something. 541 00:48:54,680 --> 00:49:00,160 Many variations can be found and conclusions can be drawn 542 00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:04,800 -which you would never have been able to if you had only one perfect copy. 543 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:10,640 That was our "critical mass" theory. By collecting our material 544 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:15,160 -and see what patterns we could find- 545 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,360 -could we build better theses- 546 00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:24,400 -even if we started with an idea of ​​what we would find and prove it. 547 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,320 We're in Hackettstown, New Jersey, where they make M & M's. 548 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,920 But unfortunately you are not allowed to visit the factory. 549 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,200 We have our warehouses here. 550 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,840 Approximately 300,000 books in three different buildings. 551 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:50,080 Everything from valuable books to books for $ 20. 552 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,280 Each shelf can tell a story. 553 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:58,200 I know where every single book comes from and the story behind it. 554 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,520 We have some space left up there. 555 00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,440 -Then he buys another warehouse. -No. 556 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:11,200 - Does anyone have more books? -Empty Congalton is shown close by. 557 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:17,600 -But this is enough. -It happens that books disappear. 558 00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:26,920 Each department has ten shelves, and here are eight or nine departments. 559 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:32,720 There's a lot of poetry. Nine departments a thousand times or even more. 560 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:38,040 Poetry books are thin. So we have 10,000 poetry books here. 561 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:43,080 He thinks poetry is on the way back. I'm not sure. 562 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,560 All this is Whistler. 563 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:55,680 Bookbinding. Here we have an unusual title. 564 00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:00,120 "Amish Love". Så... 565 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:04,920 But no pictures. Yes, there are some pictures. 566 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,200 What a picture! 567 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:14,920 He collects everything. A Masonic throne. 568 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,560 Tribal masks from the gods know where. 569 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,920 The seagulls are also interesting. 570 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:31,560 It's a pure treasure hunt. Especially right here. You never know what you will find. 571 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:38,600 Some say that one should not assemble oneself and compete with the customers. 572 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,680 I try to avoid it, but I love to collect. 573 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:48,040 And I have no problem selling the books. There we have the aircraft collection. 574 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,080 Amelia Earhart. 575 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,000 -A piece of the Hindenburg airship. -Where is it? 576 00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,520 At the end of this time. 577 00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,720 I have a large collection of wallets. 578 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,080 Up there. And hats. Oh my gosh! 579 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,480 "When he creeps in, I call Sotheby's." 580 00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,720 Heard at the New York Book Fair. 581 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,920 I have 550. 600, here in the room. 582 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,840 Rare books have been traded for centuries. 583 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:27,840 The first auctions in modern times were book auctions in the 17th century. 584 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,640 Now it's completely different. 585 00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:35,480 First came the phone bids and then the internet bids. 586 00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:40,880 I visit a lot of auctions and sometimes there are only three people. 587 00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:46,000 I'm one of them, and the auctioneer is another. 588 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,400 The rest are staff. 589 00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,920 19.000. 20.000. 590 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,440 To the Frank Siebert auction in 1999- 591 00:52:54,520 --> 00:53:00,320 was the strategy that when one could look beyond space- 592 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,880 -and see the one who bid against one- 593 00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,080 -another than if the other party bid over the phone. 594 00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:10,680 I have 300,000 on the right. 595 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:15,840 If you are there, you get a better sense of the rhythm. 596 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:20,000 You have the attention of the auctioneer and you can speed it up. 597 00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:24,440 -or slow down. One can psyche the opponents. 598 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:29,120 Last chance. I have 360,000 on the right. 599 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,000 360,000, number 833. Thank you very much. 600 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,480 I am fascinated by the history of the auctions- 601 00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,920 -and of what drives the participants. 602 00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,920 If you are reading a beginner's guide to auctioning 603 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,720 -where are the basic rules- 604 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:57,280 -It will always say that you must have an amount limit and stick to it. 605 00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:01,080 It sounds reasonable until one is there. 606 00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:08,480 I have experienced it myself. If I really want something- 607 00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,760 -so my limit is my bank balance. 608 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:16,240 How much am I willing to starve because I'm flat? 609 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:23,160 Ownership, possession and competition make people do unexpected things 610 00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:25,680 - which is great to see from the podium. 611 00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,480 Can you tell us how you ended up in the industry? 612 00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:41,120 The answer consists of one word: nepotism. 613 00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:46,880 I'm a third generation antique bookstore. 614 00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:52,480 My grandfather came to London in 1888 and got a job at Pickering & Chatto. 615 00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,200 His brothers had booksellers in Cork and Dublin. 616 00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:01,240 Joyce mentions one of them in "Dubliners". 617 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,680 "Almost every day when he finished teaching 618 00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,440 -he went along the quay to the antique shop. " 619 00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:13,240 "Hickey's on Bachelor's Walk, Webb's or Massey's on Anston's Quay- 620 00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,680 -or to O'Clohissey's in the alley. " 621 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:22,520 To give an idea of ​​what was available in the 1920s- 622 00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:28,760 -can you take the original script for "Alice in Wonderland". 623 00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:35,200 Alice Liddell, later Mrs. Hargreaves, the book's main character 624 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:42,240 -sold the manuscript at Sotheby's in 1928 and my grandfather was there. 625 00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:47,080 Rosenbach bought it for £ 15,400. 626 00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,200 I 1958- 627 00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:56,040 - my father started the actual book department at Christie's. 628 00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:00,160 And in 1964, I became the department's third employee. 629 00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:07,360 In 1978, I sold my first Gutenberg Bible for $ 2.2 million. dollars. 630 00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,800 It was considered a huge amount. And in 1980- 631 00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:16,600 was then sold to Vincis "Codex Leicester" to Armand Hammer- 632 00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,080 -for what now amounts to five million dollars. 633 00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:26,320 It was something of a disappointment. It was called a collection of drawings- 634 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,000 and not a scientific manuscript. 635 00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:36,120 When it was sold again in 1994, interest in science had increased. 636 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,640 "Codex Hammer" af Leonardo da Vinci. 637 00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:46,240 We start at $ 5,500 ... We start at $ 5.5 million. Good start. 638 00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:50,560 I messed it up and people laughed. 639 00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:54,600 We have 14 million. 15 million over the phone. 640 00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:59,160 The reservation price was 15 million. Then there was the second row- 641 00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:02,640 - against the phone. Only two bidders. 642 00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:07,800 We have 23.5 million in this room. 24 million over the phone. 643 00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:10,760 25 million. 644 00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:15,680 Bill Gates did not come and look at the script. He bought it unseen. 645 00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:22,160 $ 28 million over the phone. Last chance. 28 million. Thanks. 646 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:27,240 It is still today the highest auction price 647 00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,080 -for a book or a manuscript. 648 00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:34,240 There is a big difference between book auctions and art auctions. 649 00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:40,440 One clear difference is that books are not unique. 650 00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:47,640 A painting is completely unique. There are then very rare books- 651 00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:53,600 -but with the exception of illuminated manuscripts and medieval editions- 652 00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:58,680 -which were unique, there are always more copies. 653 00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,280 And that affects the price. 654 00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:06,440 Antique shops have such deep roots in history- 655 00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:11,880 -that it is unparalleled. It has a completely different weight. 656 00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:17,520 Books are not trophies like other artefacts can be. 657 00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,960 One more bid. 400 million! 658 00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:28,520 Collecting art is about being able to say, "It's not yours." 659 00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:35,400 "By owning this image, I deny you the right to own it." 660 00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,720 "I'm better than you because you can not have it. It's mine." 661 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:45,960 People who collect rare books have deeply personal ties- 662 00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,160 -to the material they collect. 663 00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:53,040 The books are in a library, so you almost have to be invited- 664 00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,400 -into the collector's mind. 665 00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:01,440 The reason why there are more art collectors than book collectors 666 00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,600 -is that one can showcase his wealth. 667 00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:12,080 It's boring and I've never met an arrogant book speculator. 668 00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:16,000 A person who owns houses all over the world- 669 00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:21,520 -because he bought James Bond novels at just the right time. 670 00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:26,080 When I came to New York, it was called the art world. 671 00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,280 Now it is called the art market. 672 00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,600 I started in the newspaper business. 673 00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,600 I worked at AB Bookman's Weekly. 674 00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:46,640 The magazine that everyone in the industry read. 675 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:51,080 I was the editor-in-chief and writer, and I was fired first. 676 00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,080 -when the magazine was closed. 677 00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:57,680 The owner had misjudged the importance of the internet. 678 00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:04,080 He rejected a partnership with a new player in the market. 679 01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,480 Jeff Bezos and Amazon. 680 01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:11,520 This summer I finished my book. 681 01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,440 It's called "A Conversation That Is Bigger Than the Universe". 682 01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:19,360 It's about an exhibition at The Grolier Club. 683 01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:24,840 It's based on the books I've been reading and thinking about for the last 25 years. 684 01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:29,920 To me, Mary Shelley is the starting point of science fiction. 685 01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:36,440 One of the metaphors I play with during my "conversations" - 686 01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:41,080 -is a walk in the woods. That's what I love most. 687 01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:45,320 I have no goal when I go, but I always lead- 688 01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,560 -after edible mushrooms. 689 01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:52,640 Science fiction can seem like a forest for the uninitiated. 690 01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:59,800 -but there are paths and one can learn to recognize the trees. 691 01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:03,400 It also makes me think of science fiction- 692 01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:07,800 -as a constantly innovative literary genre. 693 01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:20,080 Denne bog hedder "The Smell of Telescopes." 694 01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,640 It stands here almost solely because of the title. 695 01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,800 When the artist thought of the future in 1986 ... 696 01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,840 Of course there are phone boxes! And robot eyes- 697 01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,960 and portable synthesizers. 698 01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:43,800 Science fiction does not predict the future. It interprets the present. 699 01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:49,760 "Doesn't it bother you that you can not afford to buy the books you want?" 700 01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,360 Edith Wharton, "House of Mirth" 701 01:01:55,120 --> 01:02:00,600 If you have the collector gene, you collect things. My dad and I have it again. 702 01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,640 The English do not have a word for such a space. 703 01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:09,160 In German it is called "Wunderkammer". 704 01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,000 A closet of wonder. 705 01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,560 My library is unique in several ways. 706 01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,400 It is the only library in the world- 707 01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:24,360 -which is dedicated to human imagination. 708 01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:31,440 It is also unique in that the space is built to fit the subject. 709 01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:36,360 The subject is imagination, and the space is a tribute to the Escher- 710 01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,680 -if imagination was good. 711 01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:46,880 And it's one of the world's largest private libraries. 712 01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:53,480 And the books are sorted by book height. 713 01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:57,160 You can create your own connections in the library. 714 01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:01,360 I'm not saying, "Here are books on naval wars." 715 01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:07,760 The library's steps into the virtual world will probably be quite painless. 716 01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:14,920 As soon as the 3D scan is good enough, we scan books and objects. 717 01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:19,440 -so anyone can recreate them with a 3D printer. 718 01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:23,560 Provided I live that long. 719 01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:34,400 I do not know why I gather. I am shown an extreme example. 720 01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:41,520 I have tens of thousands of books. I bought a lot of defective books. 721 01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:46,960 Books that were deficient, but that is a fluid definition. 722 01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:53,240 What was lacking then is not today, and I earned well- 723 01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,560 -on that realization. 724 01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:02,960 Books are heavy. And 30,000 books are quite a lot. 725 01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,560 Carter Burden had as many books as I did. 726 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:12,240 -and he spent 1.5 million. to strengthen its apartment 727 01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,280 -to be able to have his books there. 728 01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:22,320 The individual's relationship to the book is like a love affair. 729 01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:28,880 It is difficult to explain to others, but satisfying for oneself. 730 01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:34,320 My wife said, "I know I'm not the most important thing in your life." 731 01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:39,840 "What place do I have?" I thought a little and counted. 732 01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:43,920 "Sixth place". That was not the right answer- 733 01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,040 -but you lie as you have ridden. 734 01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:55,800 I described myself as a hunter-gatherer because I wanted- 735 01:04:55,880 --> 01:05:01,160 -that people should say, "Look at all those books!" 736 01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:06,040 All these women were important and their stories were important- 737 01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:08,240 -but they were ignored. 738 01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:13,520 I always read, but when I went to the University of Pennsylvania- 739 01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,840 - I got a job at the Library Company in Philadelphia. 740 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,240 And at the same time, the women's movement started. 741 01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,320 I was too lazy to do anything political- 742 01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:30,680 -but I noticed that the women were missing in the book collection. 743 01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:37,320 It was as if the women were just sitting next to her and knitting. 744 01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:42,640 It was a huge abyss. I thought it was a small gap- 745 01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:47,360 -but it was an abyss I jumped into. 746 01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:53,160 I had to tell salespeople and librarians what I was looking for. 747 01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:59,000 Most of the sellers were men. "Show me your women," I said. 748 01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:04,120 "We have none," they said, so I came with a pile. "Now we know." 749 01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:11,080 And they were not that expensive. Except the "capture of the Indians" stories. 750 01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:16,680 My other husband was also a collector and we traveled around and found books. 751 01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:24,360 She was one of the "first to realize the importance of gathering on women. 752 01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:31,840 Not men writing about women, even if they let a man in. 753 01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:35,360 But mostly women writing about women. 754 01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:41,400 There are almost 25,000 items. But it also includes art 755 01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:45,040 photographs and a lot of tinsel. 756 01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:49,320 If you want to exhibit a collection 757 01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:53,360 -then it gets boring if you only have a lot of books. 758 01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:59,200 Things like Annie Oakley's gloves are necessary. 759 01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:05,400 Caroline has an eye for the bizarre but historically important. 760 01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:09,680 And she has a network of people who can help her- 761 01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,160 -to realize his life's work- 762 01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:17,800 -which is the largest collection of female American writers- 763 01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:20,400 and historical figures. 764 01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:25,440 I feel a responsibility to create the collection. 765 01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:32,520 It's really fun, but now I feel it's important too- 766 01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:36,480 -and I want others to discover that too. 767 01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:38,760 I dont have children- 768 01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:45,120 -so I can spend my money on whatever I want. Hooray! 769 01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:55,920 In 2017, we introduced a $ 1,000 premium 770 01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,360 -for the best book collection created by a young woman. 771 01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:06,280 We wanted to encourage young people to come together, and we wanted women 772 01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:12,000 -who collected books, should begin to see themselves as collectors. 773 01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:18,000 Many people think that one should have a lot of expensive first editions. 774 01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:22,840 But the best collections are built by people who see something others do not see. 775 01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:26,200 Not by people who buy the most famous books. 776 01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:30,720 Most people most often end up as book collectors by chance. 777 01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:36,160 In my case, it was a job application in Las Vegas. 778 01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:41,000 I was to study further and become an academic- 779 01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:48,359 -but then I applied for this interesting job. And after a few weeks there- 780 01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:52,359 -I felt like I would do it for the rest of my life. 781 01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,200 Book valuation is an art form. 782 01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:58,040 -How are you? -Nice. And you? 783 01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,800 So I called Rebecca. 784 01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:07,200 Being in "Pawn Stars" brought both good and bad things. 785 01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:11,160 But it was an exercise in building bridges. 786 01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:16,080 Every night, up to seven million viewers 787 01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:20,240 -the basics of collecting rare books. 788 01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:25,560 If all goes well, it could bring in 14,000. 789 01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:30,200 -Now you made it more complicated. - That's my job. 790 01:09:30,359 --> 01:09:34,000 It's a little funny that a Las Vegas pawnbroker 791 01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:38,120 -used to get people to start collecting rare books. 792 01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:41,200 But it is as it is. 793 01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:43,479 May I hold it up? 794 01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:47,640 But the best thing is when parents write to me- 795 01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:54,120 -about their daughter has seen me and wants to be a bookseller. 796 01:09:55,920 --> 01:10:02,680 When I started working full time in the industry in 2004- 797 01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:07,920 85% of the booksellers were men. Everyone said it would change. 798 01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:13,640 Lots of women were on their way in. Everything would change. 799 01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:19,480 But 15 years later, there are still 85% men. 800 01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:25,000 Yes, there are famous women who own their businesses- 801 01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:31,040 -but if you consider them exceptions- 802 01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:38,280 -then one overlooks that women have actually been in the industry all along. 803 01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:41,280 They have been working behind the scenes. 804 01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:47,400 And they were respected for their knowledge. Mabel Zahn and Kit Currie- 805 01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:54,200 -were significant personalities, but are often forgotten in the annals- 806 01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:58,920 -because their name was not on the letterhead. 807 01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:05,840 People came in and asked the only man in the store. 808 01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:11,080 -The porter. -Or a customer. 809 01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,560 I was the last resort. 810 01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,120 It does not happen that often now. 811 01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:26,040 The Grolier Club has long been known as a men's club. 812 01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:31,080 Women were first admitted in the second half of the 20th century. 813 01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:37,120 We are members now, but for a long time women were not welcome there. 814 01:11:38,440 --> 01:11:42,480 When Grolier allowed female members 815 01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:47,680 -Rostenberg and Stern were already well established. Everyone knew them. 816 01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:53,720 They politely asked what they should do to become members. 817 01:11:53,880 --> 01:12:00,240 The secretary replied, "You must prove that you are dedicated." 818 01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:04,080 Hello! It's Rostenberg and Stern! 819 01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:08,120 And they thought, "Well, is it still like that? 820 01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:15,960 So they refused. Today, their archives are in the Grolier Club 821 01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:18,840 -so they eventually accepted- 822 01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:23,400 -that they had long ago proved their passion for books. 823 01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:28,360 It had long been a service industry 824 01:12:28,440 --> 01:12:32,680 -who was a supplier to rich white men's collections. 825 01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:38,120 We can not use the mother ethics standard with retroactive 826 01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:43,680 -and consider them a bunch of misogynists. 827 01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:49,520 But the industry does not remain relevant unless it grows and develops itself. 828 01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,200 -and takes into account other perspectives. 829 01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:58,680 Otherwise, it does not reflect today's readers, thinkers and collectors. 830 01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:03,400 I'm often the only black person, but that's changing. 831 01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:07,480 But we need to think about the diversity of the material- 832 01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:11,240 -because that's what attracts people to the industry. 833 01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:15,360 I started collecting because I was writing about what I was collecting. 834 01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:20,680 I still remember the first important books. 835 01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:26,680 Many of the old guard are not interested in change. 836 01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:32,560 They do not stir in the pan. Just like in the country as a whole. 837 01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:36,400 People say one thing and do something else. 838 01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:43,320 Older bookstores are so fatalistic. "After all, they are the ones who buy the books." 839 01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:47,880 How is diversity created? That is the question we are struggling with now. 840 01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:53,440 It's hard to get these people to agree on anything. 841 01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:59,880 One has to try one at a time again and again and push the boundaries. 842 01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:04,560 If we hit a dead end, we try something else. 843 01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:09,680 Because we know that change is needed if the industry is to survive. 844 01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:20,480 I am interested in how culture develops and changes. 845 01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,960 I am interested in omissions- 846 01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:29,920 -and in the history of the present. 847 01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:35,560 I think there are some hidden connections- 848 01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:40,880 -which was not part of our childhood news broadcasts. 849 01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,720 I am interested in conflict material- 850 01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:47,920 -not just from Afghanistan. 851 01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:53,680 I am fascinated by the fleeting traces of paper from these conflicts. 852 01:14:53,840 --> 01:15:00,480 Paper stores mental energy. I know right away when I find something. 853 01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:05,280 "This immediately changes my perception." 854 01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:10,560 That's the kind I'm looking for. Book collectors do not buy objects 855 01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:12,960 -but stories. 856 01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:18,680 What are my generation and future generations interested in? 857 01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,720 They are interested in political 858 01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:26,840 -in issues of capitalism and socialism, in gender issues. 859 01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:31,160 They are interested in the avant-garde and history- 860 01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:36,200 -which connects surrealism with punk and hip hop. 861 01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:42,120 They are interested in drug culture, sexuality and the concept of identity. 862 01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:47,280 A few years ago, I collaborated with Michael Holman. 863 01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:54,320 He coined the term hip hop in an article in the East Village Eye in 1982. 864 01:15:54,480 --> 01:16:00,080 When hip hop came in the late 70s and early 80s- 865 01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:04,440 -it was about a dozen artists. 866 01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:09,800 In 1984, Def Jam released records that sold millions of copies. 867 01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:16,200 MTV joined in, and the early 90s were the golden age of hip hop. 868 01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:18,560 They had the eyes of the world on 869 01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:22,520 -but it was first and foremost a creative culture- 870 01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:26,280 -where people participated enthusiastically. 871 01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:32,320 They did not think about what would happen. They did it for themselves. 872 01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:38,800 It wanted the culture. And that's what people are collecting today. 873 01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:42,720 These dreams in paper form, from before the Internet. 874 01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:51,640 People did not think that hip hop would last or that we would preserve it. 875 01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,600 Exactly. "What does it mean?" 876 01:16:56,320 --> 01:17:01,440 At first I did not see it as collecting. But it was a rabbit hole. 877 01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:04,840 I could not stop again. 878 01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:10,040 For many who are in their late 20s, it is very nostalgic. 879 01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:13,440 I remember falling in love with hip hop. 880 01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:17,760 I was waiting for my uncle and my cousin at my grandmother's house. 881 01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:23,840 I heard when they came because I heard my uncle's Lexus SC400. 882 01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:25,960 A cream car from 1995. 883 01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:30,960 "Jeeps, Lex Coups, Bimaz & Benz" by Lost Boyz was played very loud. 884 01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:36,040 My cousin was wearing a DKNY suit that Lil 'Kim sang about. 885 01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:40,000 "DKNY, oh my, I'm jiggy." And my uncle had- 886 01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:45,520 -a Versace shirt and sunglasses on, just like Biggie Smalls. 887 01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:50,800 They came in and I thought, "I do not know what it is, but I am with." 888 01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:56,720 I wrote for an online magazine about hip-hop history- 889 01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:01,600 -and they asked me to be the editor-in-chief. I said yes. 890 01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:07,600 But maybe I should have known someone who wrote about hip hop. 891 01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:11,280 The only one I knew was Dream Hampton. 892 01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:15,440 I started google but I could not find anything online. 893 01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:21,200 Magazines such as XXL, Vibe and The Source were published in the 90s- 894 01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:26,280 -and none of it was digitized. So I started collecting them. 895 01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:30,120 I wanted to read Kevin Powell's Tupac article- 896 01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:34,480 -og Greg Tate i The Village Voice. 897 01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,560 So I had to buy the leaves. 898 01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:42,480 I will always do it to preserve things. 899 01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:45,760 What can we create so that the generation 900 01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:49,560 -who was born when Biggie Smalls died- 901 01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:54,560 -can understand why he was so important? Why he was king of NY. 902 01:18:56,440 --> 01:18:58,680 This is Phase 2. 903 01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:04,840 He made layout and graphic design in the last issues of IGT. 904 01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:11,840 "Books are our cultural DNA that reveal who we are and what we know." 905 01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:13,920 Susan Orlean, "The Library Book" 906 01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:20,200 Several read enough before the TV came on. There was no other entertainment. 907 01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:24,040 It had higher status. People pretended to read. 908 01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:27,600 When I was young, writers were more important. 909 01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:34,160 A book is the closest you get to a human being, so authors are gods. 910 01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:38,960 The heyday of books lasted 550 years. 911 01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:44,600 But interest in books has declined. 912 01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:48,920 In the last ten years, we have seen the beginning to the end for 913 01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,320 -as a central cultural object. 914 01:19:51,480 --> 01:19:58,720 This is mostly due to the mobile phones and poor concentration ability. 915 01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:03,280 But reading as an activity has diminished. 916 01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:09,560 I've talked to people in the industry and people no longer read books. 917 01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:15,040 This will dramatically mean a decline in book sales. 918 01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:21,080 One does not buy a first edition of "Moby Dick" to read Melville. 919 01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:24,640 You buy the object. And that worries me about the future. 920 01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:28,880 The books as an object will not be as appealing. 921 01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:34,840 The natural consequence then becomes ... If books are no longer printed- 922 01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:39,920 -and only exist electronically and we live in a science fiction world- 923 01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,880 -som i "Blade Runner"- 924 01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:47,280 -I think more people will be interested in books again- 925 01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:53,240 -because they have become cultural objects. If books ceased to exist- 926 01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:57,560 -a new bunch of people would start collecting on them. 927 01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:05,280 Today, as the book transforms from a container of knowledge- 928 01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:10,080 -for a cultural object, one considers it with new eyes. 929 01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:15,520 In the 21st century it is considered differently than in the 20th century. 930 01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:20,920 I am not convinced that the book has lost its magic. 931 01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:25,480 We still sell books. The book's death is greatly exaggerated. 932 01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:33,080 I often ride the subway and those who read books are in their 20s. 933 01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:37,080 It is the best one will see in the subway. 934 01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:40,080 And my editor said- 935 01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:45,040 -that most Kindle users are in their 40s. 936 01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:50,400 I do not know why we are to blame for the death of the booksellers. 937 01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:52,760 We read and buy books. 938 01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:59,800 There is talk that the book is dying out, which is not appropriate. 939 01:21:59,880 --> 01:22:03,920 Try reading a seven-year-old computer file. Good luck with that. 940 01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:10,840 But one can still open a 500 year old book and read it. 941 01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:15,040 The books survive. They do not burn very well. 942 01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:20,360 Not even uneducated people throw books out. There is something magical about them. 943 01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:24,920 I've never been able to throw a book out. 944 01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:31,840 I’ve seen books in trash cans, and it’s like seeing a human head. 945 01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:37,920 There is something fascinating about choosing to burn books. 946 01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:44,320 It works well and has been used since the beginning of the written word- 947 01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:51,200 -as a way to make people feel fear and dread. 948 01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:54,400 But it is also very symbolic. 949 01:22:54,480 --> 01:23:00,640 One can obliterate the cultural memory of an entire people. 950 01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:07,000 The Nazis were clearly the most ardent book burners. 951 01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:12,960 Mao Zedong, a former librarian, was a book burner. 952 01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:18,800 It hits us so hard because we project on the books- 953 01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:22,520 -a kind of subconscious hope about- 954 01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:27,000 -that they will carry on our narrative. 955 01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:31,400 Our knowledge, our dreams and our visions. 956 01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:35,280 The products of our thoughts. 957 01:23:39,480 --> 01:23:43,080 Books survive for various reasons. 958 01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:48,320 Some were buried in deserts or bogs and were protected that way. 959 01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:51,360 They were not exposed to pollution. 960 01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:56,080 They were protected from pests. 961 01:23:56,160 --> 01:24:00,200 They have an incredibly long life. They are survivors. 962 01:24:02,440 --> 01:24:06,960 The biggest problem is that bookstores are getting old. 963 01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:12,560 Almost everyone in the stalls at the fairs has white hair. 964 01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:17,200 It deeply regrets the situation 965 01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:21,920 -and I think these are the last generations of booksellers. 966 01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:25,960 It will be a narrow niche for a few. 967 01:24:27,480 --> 01:24:32,680 When I talk to older booksellers, they are always pessimistic. 968 01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:38,640 -while I'm optimistic. “What do you want to do?” They say. 969 01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:40,480 "I'm full of ideas!" 970 01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:46,480 American antique shops often last only a generation. 971 01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:52,880 Some survive the second generation. In England we are more conservative. 972 01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:56,200 My company has been around since the 1850s. 973 01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:58,840 Bernerd Quaritch in London as well. 974 01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:05,000 Most in the industry did not look ahead. What happened happened. 975 01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:12,880 We continue as usual and are not worried about the future. 976 01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,640 But we have a new generation here- 977 01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:22,080 -and Ben does what is necessary. Whether he continues or not. 978 01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:29,840 One reason I started in the industry was his enthusiasm. 979 01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:36,720 If he were financially independent, he would have been a great collector. 980 01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:41,200 He is not exactly made to be happy. 981 01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:48,680 He's pretty crappy. But he loves his old books. 982 01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:55,640 It makes him happy, and when a new collection comes in, it's Christmas Eve. 983 01:25:55,720 --> 01:26:00,320 So he's probably happy that the company can continue. 984 01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:08,080 My father says, "My daughter works here. My books are not for sale." 985 01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:14,120 It's everyone's nightmare. You have a lot of books, and then you die. 986 01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:16,520 So what happens to them? 987 01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:23,560 My children will not take over the company, so the books will probably be sold- 988 01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:26,480 -or my colleagues also buy them. 989 01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:30,640 Hopefully my little nuggets of gold end up in a good place. 990 01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:37,080 Imagine if the books could tell what they have heard. 991 01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:45,000 They are welcome to sell my books. When I'm dead, it does not matter. 992 01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:52,440 A handful of my belongings belong to different institutions. 993 01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:57,880 But most of the things should be privately owned, so they should be sold- 994 01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:01,680 -so others can take care of them like I did. 995 01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:06,000 The intention is that the University of Pennsylvania gets everything. 996 01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:09,800 They already have the fiction. I want to keep the collection together. 997 01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:14,240 There is no point in spreading it for all to win. 998 01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:18,320 That would be counterintuitive and stupid. 999 01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:24,120 I'm not particularly interested in money. 1000 01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:29,720 I can sell a book at a loss if it goes to someone who ... 1001 01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:35,480 I will not say "deserves it", but someone who really wants it. 1002 01:27:36,440 --> 01:27:42,280 Giving the book the right home can be compared to the doctor's work 1003 01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:47,160 -to cure his patient. It is his duty. 1004 01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:53,040 I do not regret anything I have owned or sold. 1005 01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:56,800 I only regret the books I did not buy. 1006 01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:06,160 The third fair in five weeks. I've been home for ten days- 1007 01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:09,560 -and on Wednesday it's time again. 1008 01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:20,400 The problem is parking the van. 1009 01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:26,240 It's all this, and so this. We can start with the wooden boxes. 1010 01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:59,160 That blizzard destroyed everything! 1011 01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:08,960 This is my 45th trade fair. The first time, they were still at the Plaza Hotel. 1012 01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:13,160 We were maybe 85 exhibitors at the time. 1013 01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:17,680 It was a little more like the Wild West back then. 1014 01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:27,160 -I've been going for 40 years. -And he's not even 40. 1015 01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:31,120 We'll have to toast in champagne later. I hope you come. 1016 01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:35,600 But set the cameras and use both hands. Do not waste. 1017 01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:40,680 Wishy, ​​my catering mentor, always said- 1018 01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:45,680 -that the opening of the champagne bottle should sound like a woman's sigh. 1019 01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:51,480 "The library survives. It's the universe." 1020 01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:54,320 Jorge Luis Borges, "Biblioteket i Babel" 1021 01:29:56,440 --> 01:30:01,360 Some of us think about it all the time and I know what some of you think 1022 01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:05,360 -but if you could start over ... We are bookstores. 1023 01:30:05,440 --> 01:30:10,440 We deal with culture and we are passionate about it. 1024 01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:16,040 It can be frustrating. Are you grateful to have ended up here? 1025 01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:19,560 -What else should you do? -I love it. 1026 01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:23,360 In 1999, I was released from AB Bookman's Weekly. 1027 01:30:23,440 --> 01:30:28,440 It was like going from writing about sports to even playing baseball. 1028 01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:31,240 I would do it again. 1029 01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:34,720 I would not have become a bookseller. 1030 01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:38,280 What Adam likes is the hunt. 1031 01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:42,400 I love finding them, but the business side ... 1032 01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:46,800 Supply is limited and demand is limited. 1033 01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:52,560 You almost have to be a psychologist to be able to sell the books. 1034 01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:57,600 - It's not like selling ... - You're like a gold digger. 1035 01:30:57,680 --> 01:31:01,760 You have to find the gold nuggets. It's so hard. 1036 01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:06,280 And besides, it wears on the body. 1037 01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:12,120 Physically. If you look at the bookstores at the book fair ... 1038 01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:16,160 They are not ... The parts are like misplaced. 1039 01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:21,560 A bookstore gets on average 18 cm shorter when they are 40 years old. 1040 01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:27,200 -I never had those inches. -You were 1.87 when you were 20, Dave. 1041 01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:47,480 In the silence between author and reader, memories are created. 1042 01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:51,200 Through others, we learn about substance and value. 1043 01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:56,640 Fabric, meat, ink, skin, paper, dust 1044 01:31:56,720 --> 01:32:00,640 -are just materials in which ideas live. 1045 01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:04,960 On a crowded shelf between desert sun and Arctic night 1046 01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:10,120 -wakes up distant mind, mixes and then calms down. 1047 01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:14,120 The minds meet where the reading hand grasps the void- 1048 01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:17,520 -and soft strokes along empty margins. 1049 01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:21,480 Lost, forgotten, thumb cracked. 1050 01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:26,000 Scarred by patient decades and centuries of dreams. 1051 01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:29,280 I do not know who to hold me now- 1052 01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:33,160 -but the book also reads its readers. 1053 01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:40,000 To my Aunt Vail. 1054 01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:44,120 Danish texts: BTI Studios 1055 01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:48,680 I do not lend books. People never return them. 1056 01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:52,000 I lent a book to David Bowie. 1057 01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:57,040 "Buy it instead," I said. And he never returned it. 1058 01:33:57,000 --> 01:34:57,000 PeG@SuS Urang Sunda Asli 95681

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