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Heather: You were omniscient
in people's lives.
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And you've literally just
kind of hover over their area.
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And sometimes you would
watch them for days,
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And then you'd have Intel that-
that this guy is a bad guy.
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And you would wait
until he walks out
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To the field to meet with
some friends for something
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And you'd blow him up.
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Drop a hellfire missile on him.
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Are you guys going to have
anything to drink tonight?
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Woman: Uh, yes
water.
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All right, here you go.
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And the bottled water is back
there if you wanna grab one.
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Thanks guys, have a good night.
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Heather: I originally was
interested in the navy
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At first because the
guy that I was dating
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Had been in the navy.
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And I was like, oh, maybe
I'll just join the navy.
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And you know, travel
and see the world.
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And fight for my country and
protect people from terrorist.
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And I ended up being
recruited into the air force
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Because I actually saw the
posters with the drones,
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And I was like, wow
that is so cool."
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Like unmanned aircraft
like that's really badass.
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And I was still, like, under
the impression that America
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Was saving the world.
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Like, that we were
big brother and we
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Were helping everyone out.
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So when I saw this possibility
that I could get out of,
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Like, this small town that I was
in, and get out of Pennsylvania
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And- and just travel.
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And- and I thought that
was the only way to do it.
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And they didn't make it
seem like you wouldn't
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Be- that one of your only
options of places to go
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Is Afghanistan.
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Man: Titan 1-4
hold your position.
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What have you got?
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Unmanned aircraft is
identifying enemy sniper.
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Copy that.
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Let's move.
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Heather: I was in
the military prior
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To being in massage school-
I got out two years ago.
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I was in air force intelligence.
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I flew the drones.
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I was part of a unit that-
we fought in Afghanistan,
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And I've lost
friends to the war.
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I've lost friends to suicide
that were a part of that unit.
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And I've seen a lot of
people die in the war.
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So for me I brought to
the massage table pain,
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And just absolute despair.
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And memories, like,
horrible memories.
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And along with
that is an anxiety
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Disorder and a sleep disorder.
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And I thought, you know, I came
here I think, subconsciously
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Looking for healing for myself.
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To be able to find
something that in learning
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To heal other people maybe
I could heal myself as well.
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It was like slow
motion, and it was
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Like, you're watching
someone just drag
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Themselves across the field.
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When you watch someone
in those dying moments,
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What their reaction is,
how they're reacting
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And what they're doing.
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it's so primitive.
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It's really raw,
stripped down death.
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That's what it is,
this is real, like,
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This isn't- it's not a joke.
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I have specific memories of many
of them that I know I killed.
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But it's so messy and, like,
they don't report it down to us
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Who we kill.
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Maybe we kill our objective,
maybe we kill a guy who
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We thought was our objective.
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You don't know.
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And I can say the drone programs
wrong because I don't know
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How many people I've killed.
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After we do a strike I
would ask for a break
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And, like, go outside and smoke
a cigarette and just think.
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And like, try to
decompress and just try
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To push the, like, idea that
I was involved in killing
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People out of my mind.
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And I try not to think about it.
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Sometimes if I
couldn't really get out
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Of the situation for very long,
I would just go to the bathroom
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And- and just
sit on the toilet.
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Like just sit there in my
uniform, and just, like, cry.
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And just think about
what I was doing.
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It was just different
emotional responses.
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I mean a lot of times afterwards
I would feel just empty.
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And if I was crying it was
because I just didn't know
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How to stop feeling like that.
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How to stop feeling like a
shell and it was an empty void.
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And it was- I was like always
shaking after we do strikes
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Because it's such an adrenaline
rush, you're killing someone.
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You see someone die because you
said it was ok to kill them.
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Man: This is the future
and it's already here.
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The predator, it just doesn't
give up, it doesn't quit.
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It will find you, it
will hunt you down.
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Man: You step into
the ground control
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Station which is your cockpit.
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You immediately feel like
you're in an airplane.
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Man: It's kind of like,
having an eagle or something
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Over your head, constantly
landing on your arm,
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Recording what's going on.
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Woman: A spy in the sky really.
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Let's the see what
they need to see.
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Man: It's really a good
feeling to know that you're
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Helping the guys around.
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That's really why I
think all of us do it.
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Man: Being part of the air
force makes me feel proud.
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And people tell me, thank you.
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That's when I remember that I'm
doing something bigger than me.
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Daniel: Before I
joined the military,
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I was well aware that
what I was about to enter
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Was something that I was
against, that I disagreed with.
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I joined any ways out
of desperation because I
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Was homeless, I was desperate.
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I had nowhere else to go.
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I was on my last leg,
and- if- in the air force
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Was ready to accept me.
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I still work in intelligence,
as a contractor,
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Basically until I go to school
in- in the fall semester.
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And I saw the top
secret clearance.
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I- it's- once you're given
a top secret clearance,
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It's good for five
years, and then it needs
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To be renewed every five years.
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And when I leave this job
my clearance will expire.
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Nobody ever thinks
about speaking out
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Against the government
who's worked for them
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And hasn't considered what
the possible consequences are.
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But I don't dwell on them
because I don't- I don't want
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It to affect my voice.
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I don't want it to silence my
words, or to curtail my speech.
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I generally feel like
they don't- they being
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The government, they being
the justice department-
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They shouldn't hold
that power over me.
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This ominous threat that
they'll go after me,
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In the same way that they've
gone after so many people,
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Especially since 9/11.
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I didn't find out what I was
going to be doing until I
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Made it to fort
Bragg, for the joint
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Special operations command.
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At the time I didn't
really realize
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The significance or important
of organization itself.
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I- I'd simply been told by
some people in the military,
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Oh they're the,
you know, kind of
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Like the elite
special ops people
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That you hear about in
video games, and in movies.
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And that they were actually
responsible for the killing
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Of Osama bin laden.
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So I would find targets
using signals intelligence,
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You know the- I was
stationed at fort Meade, which
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Is where NSA is headquartered.
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I had a clearance for NSA.
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I was so- you know, and
NSA is the intelligence
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Directorate which handles
signals intelligence.
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So naturally I would
be put into a position,
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You know, overseas working in a
signals intelligence capacity.
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And using the technology on
the drone through the means
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Of signals intelligence- sorry
it's really, really tough.
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It's really tough.
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And I know it's core
and it's central to what
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I was doing and, like, my
whole reason for speaking here,
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So- but I'm also very unaware
of where that line is drawn.
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And- so I have to be
very extraordinarily
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Cautious about what I can
and can't say on camera.
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The- though it's
something so simple,
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And so benign that you wouldn't
imagine it were even of, you
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Know, it would even of concern
there's still- there's no-
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There's no doubt in my mind
that if I said the wrong thing,
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Or give away the wrong kind of
information about what I was
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Doing that I wouldn't-
that I would be safe
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From prosecution of any kind.
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Lisa: When I first
got into the military,
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I mean, I was thinking
it was kind of a win-win.
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It was a force for
good in the world.
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I could actually help
people, I could go places,
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I could learn things.
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There was nothing
negative about it
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At the time, that
was my thinking
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Or in my consciousness.
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And you know, I
thought I was gonna
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Be on the right side
of history, and today I
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Don't believe I was.
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I worked on a DGS, a
distributed ground system.
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As the name implies, I mean,
it's a distributed system.
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And it spans the globe,
and it eats data.
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And it eats lots, and
lots, and lots, of data.
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This is global, this
is getting information
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Anywhere, at any time.
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Shooting people from
anywhere, at any time.
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And it's not just one
person sitting there
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With a little remote
control, a little joystick,
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Moving around a plane that's
halfway across the world.
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That's not all there is.
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It's like borders
don't matter anymore.
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And there's a huge
system that spans
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The globe that can just suck up
endless amounts of your life.
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Your personal data.
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I mean this could grow
to get so out of control.
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And we're not the only
ones that have this.
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This is gonna be commonplace,
if it's not already.
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need some water?
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It's a secret program,
and what that means
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Is that I can't just go
shouting off the hilltops
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Telling the public what it is.
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What I can tell
you is that to me,
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One person who worked
within this massive thing,
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If I'm getting this
really long sentence.
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"sergeant Lang also spearheaded
the emission security
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And accreditation process
for four coalition computer
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Networks enabling the
exploitation of 2,400 sorties,
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And resulted in the timely
and accurate identification
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Of 121,000 insurgent
targets in support
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Of operations, Iraqi freedom,
and enduring freedom."
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And then it goes on.
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That means that the system
that I worked on basically
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Identified 121,000
insurgent targets.
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121,000 lives affected by
technology that we control.
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And in this case, we're talking
about a two year period.
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So how many years have
we been at war now?
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At least 12, multiply,
add up some numbers
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And see what's really going on.
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Dear lord, we thank you
for this beautiful day.
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We thank you for
friends and families.
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Thank you for
everyone, everything
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That you've given us.
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Bless this food and
nourish our bodies.
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Give everyone safety
in their travel.
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Amen.
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Dig in.
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Heather: I was an imagery
analyst, and a screener.
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My job was to watch
what's happening
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In the video- the drones-
the live video of course.
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And identify everything.
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Another remote duty
station- you'd
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Have the pilot of course- who
was flying the actual aircraft.
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And the sensor operator, who
is moving the camera around,
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They were the ones that
actually push the button.
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I do not push the button.
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I just identify what
necessitates a button pushing.
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We can't just bomb
someone and fly away.
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We have to follow through.
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The bomb hit, and wait for
it to cool down a little bit.
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And then you can see,
like, the body parts.
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You can identify,
like, that could
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Be the lower half of his body,
and that could be the leg.
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And then sometimes you'll
stick around, and watch
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Family come in and get them.
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Or like, pick up the parts,
and put their family member
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In a blanket.
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And a couple of people hold
on to a corner of the blanket,
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And carry him back
to their compound.
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According to my
mental health records,
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I was high risk for
suicide because of the way
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I acted about my job.
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My psychologist called
my first sergeant,
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And he recommended that
I be possibly moved
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To anything that wasn't
involving watching
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People die all the time.
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And the first sergeant said
that our team was undermanned,
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And that they absolutely
needed me to work mission.
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So he would look into
it, but never returned
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My psychologist phone calls.
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And never gave him
any indications
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That I was gonna be
moved to a better
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Job and I obviously wasn't.
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I stayed doing that job until
the last possible moment
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When they had to let
me out of process
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Because I was actually
getting out of the military.
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So I guess that's the
cost of a human life
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Because the fact that I was
on a suicide watch list,
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And they still wouldn't allow me
to do something else that might
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Help me, a little bit, obviously
didn't matter to the military.
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And that- that shows how
much the air force cares
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About its intelligence troops.
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Look down the bottom there.
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There's ice on the steps too.
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You could tell she'd
have a stressful day
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If she'd call me up, and she'd
be crying, or she'd be upset.
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But then she couldn't
talk about it.
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And then when you ask her, well
you- can you talk to anybody
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Else about it?
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Well, no we're not supposed
to talk to anybody.
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So she was having
more and more issues
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Each day that things went on.
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A mom knows these
things, and then
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When you hear your daughter
talking to you on the phone,
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And you can tell that
she's in trouble.
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Just by the emotion,
and the inflection
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In the stress that you
could hear in her voice.
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I knew she was in trouble.
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And the only thing I could do
is just stay in touch with her
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On a daily basis, so she felt
like she had someone there.
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Because I have a feeling if
somebody wasn't there for her,
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She wouldn't be here right now.
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And her friends, a lot of them
were in the same boat she was.
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All drinking, all carrying
on, trying to forget the pain.
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Heather: I've- I'm
just scared, I'm always scared.
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All those little kids were
just scared to go outside.
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Woman:
Now I would like
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To play a clip of
president Obama,
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Addressing us drone
warfare at national defense
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University in Washington dc.
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President Obama:
And before any strike is taken,
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There must be near-certainty,
that no civilians
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Will be killed or injured.
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The highest standard we can set.
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Yes, the conflict with Al-Qaeda,
like all armed conflict
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Invites tragedy.
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But by narrowly
targeting our action
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Against those who
want to kill us
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And not the people
they hide among,
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We are choosing the
course of action
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Least likely to result in
the loss of innocent life.
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Daniel: When the president
gets up in front of the nation
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And says that they're doing
everything they can to ensure
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That there is near-certainty,
that there will be
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No civilians killed, he
is saying that because he
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Can't say otherwise.
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Because any time
an action is taken
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To finish a target there
is a certain amount
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Of guesswork in that action.
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Because it's only in the
aftermath of any kind
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Of ordnance being dropped,
that you know just how
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Much actual damage was done.
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And oftentimes we, the
intelligence community,
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Is reliance.
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The joint special operations
command, the CIA included
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Is reliant on intelligence
coming afterwards
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That confirms that who
they were targeting
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Was killed in that
strike, or that they
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Weren't killed in that strike.
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Lisa: We all know
people die in war.
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We all know that.
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If we don't, we're diluted.
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The fact of the matter
is, is that these things,
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These devices can go pretty much
unimpeded anywhere in the world
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And blow crap up.
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And there is no single governing
body about how they're used.
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And that is something that
will promote war, not deter it.
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The people that really
get the impact, aside
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From the people at the
distant end who are getting
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Hit by these weapons, are
all these new recruits
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That are coming in.
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And you know, the people
that are being affected
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Are America's children.
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People die, things
get destroyed,
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And people who are aged
18 to 24 sit and watch it.
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How can anyone not
find that disturbing?
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Heather: Hearing politicians
speak about drones,
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Being precision weapons, being
able to make surgical strikes,
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To me it's completely
ridiculous.
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It's completely ludicrous to
even make those statements.
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It's as flawed as it can
be with people operating
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It from across the world.
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If they really think they can
send a bomb through a window
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Of a compound and
hit one militant,
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Then why are we seeing
so many civilians
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Dying of collateral damage?
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I'd like to ask
those politicians,
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Have they not been
notified of that?
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Do they not know what's
going on in their own war
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That they're controlling?
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Reporter:
A former us drone
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Operator and analyst has slammed
American and British militaries
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For fabricating
faulty information
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On the civilian deaths and the
us led drone war, worldwide.
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Heather Linebaugh has questioned
the accuracy of the information
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Collected by the drone
saying, "the videos
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Provided are not
clear enough to detect
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Militants from civilians."
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The former American
analyst also said
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That drones in the us at wars
are not used as protection
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But rather as a weapon.
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Heather: This is a
perfect example of what
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It would look like, unaltered.
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This is probably the best
you'll get on a good day.
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It's why it's so difficult
to make that choice.
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I say there's at least two
possible, possible children.
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And then one of them runs away.
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It's like, I care
because of what
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I've- what I've
seen happen to like,
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My fellow veterans and stuff.
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Like, how- what I've
seen happen to people.
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Like, my friends have
suffered so much.
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I've had so many friends
that are like, oh, man, I
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Can't live with myself
for what I did in Iraq.
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Like, I can't live with myself
for the things that I've done.
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And not- this isn't
just for myself.
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Like, this isn't some kind
of like, self-healing thing
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For me.
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Like, I found more
self-healing through doing
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Massage and everything.
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This isn't even that
therapeutic for me.
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Every time I do one of
these things I'm like,
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I feel awful, because then
I have to talk about it,
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And tell people about it
and all kinds of stuff.
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And people think my story's all
mega important or something.
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And it's- I'm not
saying this for like,
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The importance of myself.
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I'm saying it because
I need to say it,
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Because my other
veteran friends are too
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Drunk to spend time to
say anything about it,
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00:25:45,677 --> 00:25:49,153
Or they're not around anymore.
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00:25:49,213 --> 00:25:51,355
Trying to just get people to
change how they view things
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And they're like,
policymakers aren't listening,
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Policymakers don't care.
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It's not going to
change anything.
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So I'm gonna put
myself out there,
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Risk being put on
some kind of FBI
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Watch list or something
for just saying
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That, yeah, the drone program
makes people feel bad.
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Like, I'm basically saying
the drone program can give you
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Post-traumatic stress disorder.
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That shouldn't be a surprise.
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And like, for me to just
say something like that,
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And then have people say
it's not gonna make a change.
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"you're gonna be the
next Edward Snowden,"
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Its just- it pisses me off.
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And it makes me not
even want to try.
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Because if I'm gonna get all
this awful horrifying attention
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From like, the government
and stuff, what's the point?
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Like, if I ended up- if
someone come in to my house
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And puts a bag over my
hand and hauls me away,
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Then what was the point
of anything I did?
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Am I really changing
people's minds?
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Or are people just going
to share it on Facebook
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And then move along?
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I'm
spending all this time
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Doing all this
stuff and it could
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Be for absolutely nothing.
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Like, I could be
living a normal life,
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Spending time with friends,
spending time with family.
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00:27:00,672 --> 00:27:03,414
And like, I'm spending all
this time for this thing,
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00:27:03,474 --> 00:27:05,549
That I don't know if anybody
is going to care about.
436
00:27:05,609 --> 00:27:10,153
And I don't know if anybody's
gonna be like, oh, well, let's
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00:27:10,213 --> 00:27:12,121
Really care about the
soldiers in the drone program
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Because according
to the left, we're
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All a bunch of baby killers.
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And according to the
right, we shouldn't
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Be having any problems
because we're not
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Walking around in Afghanistan.
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Exposed facts is dedicated
to supporting whistleblowers,
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Whistleblowing, and
independent journalism.
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Our next speaker,
Jesselyn Radack,
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Is a director of a
national security
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And human rights program
at the government
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Accountability project.
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As an attorney,
she's represented
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Many whistleblowers.
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And I'll mention just a few of
them, Edward Snowden, Thomas
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Drake, and John Kiriakou.
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I represent seven
people, investigated,
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Charged, or prosecuted under
the draconian espionage act.
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Espionage act prosecutions
occur largely in secret,
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And have been brutal.
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I hope that will change.
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I hope also that whistleblower
protection will be extended
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To protect people in
the national security
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And intelligence arenas who
have made all of the bomb shell
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Disclosures, about war
crimes, about torture,
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About secret surveillance
that you've heard
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About over the past decade.
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Heather: When "the guardian"
thing first happened,
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I was so scared because
everybody started calling me
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A whistleblower and saying like,
this is another Edward Snowden.
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00:28:44,322 --> 00:28:46,264
And I didn't think I
mentioned anything classified,
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But then they started
saying like, she
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Mentioned capabilities.
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Well most whistleblowers
are not blowing a whistle
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On classified, and if
they do have access
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To classified
information, they're
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Able to blow the
whistle on things
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Without ever getting
into the classified.
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And what you're disclosing
that hasn't been out
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There is the ill effect in
the horrible negative effect
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That this has had on the
actual people doing the work.
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And on the innocent
people being blown up,
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And the shaky legal reasoning.
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I mean all three of these
are the perfect storm
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Of this cluster-fuck that we
call it the drone program.
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From pacifica, this
is democracy now.
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America does not take
strikes to punish individuals.
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We act against
terrorists who pose
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A continuing and imminent
threat to the American people.
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And when there are
no other governments
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Capable of effectively
addressing the threat.
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00:29:46,876 --> 00:29:49,451
Anchorwoman: In a major
policy address on Thursday,
489
00:29:49,511 --> 00:29:52,487
President Obama defended the
secret overseas drone war,
490
00:29:52,547 --> 00:29:54,088
But said the united
states cannot
491
00:29:54,148 --> 00:29:56,623
Continue waging what he
described as a boundless
492
00:29:56,683 --> 00:29:58,391
Global war on terror.
493
00:29:58,451 --> 00:30:01,327
Obama's comments came one day
after attorney general Eric
494
00:30:01,387 --> 00:30:04,496
Holder confirmed us drone
strikes have killed four us
495
00:30:04,556 --> 00:30:06,664
Citizens in Yemen in Pakistan.
496
00:30:06,724 --> 00:30:07,831
President Obama: Simply put,
497
00:30:07,891 --> 00:30:10,733
These strikes have saved lives.
498
00:30:10,793 --> 00:30:15,170
Moreover, America's
actions are legal.
499
00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:18,439
We were attacked on 9/11.
500
00:30:18,499 --> 00:30:20,607
Within a week,
congress overwhelmingly
501
00:30:20,667 --> 00:30:22,842
Authorized the use of force.
502
00:30:22,902 --> 00:30:24,743
The people would
defend drones, and defend
503
00:30:24,803 --> 00:30:25,810
The way that they're used.
504
00:30:25,870 --> 00:30:27,611
They always say,
you know, they-
505
00:30:27,671 --> 00:30:31,381
They protect American lives by
not putting them in harm's way.
506
00:30:31,441 --> 00:30:33,850
But what they really do is
they just embolden commanders.
507
00:30:33,910 --> 00:30:37,753
They embolden decision makers
because there is no threat.
508
00:30:37,813 --> 00:30:40,088
There is no immediate
consequence.
509
00:30:40,148 --> 00:30:41,622
They can do the strike,
and they can potentially
510
00:30:41,682 --> 00:30:44,324
Kill this person that
they're so desperate to get
511
00:30:44,384 --> 00:30:47,827
And to eliminate because
of how dangerous-
512
00:30:47,887 --> 00:30:51,597
Potentially dangerous-
they could be to us.
513
00:30:51,657 --> 00:30:54,199
But if it just so happens that
they don't kill that person
514
00:30:54,259 --> 00:30:56,167
Or there's some other people
involved in the strike,
515
00:30:56,227 --> 00:30:57,668
And you get killed
as well, you know,
516
00:30:57,728 --> 00:30:59,388
There's no consequence for it.
517
00:31:04,399 --> 00:31:06,575
When it comes to
high value targeting,
518
00:31:06,635 --> 00:31:10,779
Every mission is to go
after one person at a time.
519
00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:13,414
But anybody else that's
killed in that strike
520
00:31:13,474 --> 00:31:18,786
Is just blanketly assumed
to be an associate
521
00:31:18,846 --> 00:31:20,676
Of the targeted individual.
522
00:31:23,948 --> 00:31:25,657
So as long as they
can reasonably
523
00:31:25,717 --> 00:31:30,294
Identify that all the people in
the field of view of the camera
524
00:31:30,354 --> 00:31:34,265
Are military aged males-
meaning anybody who is believed
525
00:31:34,325 --> 00:31:39,369
To be of age 16 or older-
they are a legitimate target
526
00:31:39,429 --> 00:31:41,904
Under the rules of engagement.
527
00:31:41,964 --> 00:31:44,873
If that strike occurs
and kills all of them,
528
00:31:44,933 --> 00:31:46,803
They just say that
they got them all.
529
00:31:51,971 --> 00:31:55,071
Woman: Ok, we'll take one
more question for John McCain.
530
00:31:57,942 --> 00:32:03,320
Doesn't McCain have a daughter
that's of military age?
531
00:32:03,380 --> 00:32:05,689
Crowd: Oh, good idea
send his daughter.
532
00:32:05,749 --> 00:32:10,593
Yeah, how about sending your
daughter john, what about that?
533
00:32:10,653 --> 00:32:12,261
Daniel: People often
times get mixed
534
00:32:12,321 --> 00:32:14,763
Up in the anti-drone movement.
535
00:32:14,823 --> 00:32:16,664
Trying to say that we
should just ground drones,
536
00:32:16,724 --> 00:32:19,266
And we just eliminate
drones from our lexicon,
537
00:32:19,326 --> 00:32:21,668
And never allow them
to exist in this world.
538
00:32:21,728 --> 00:32:23,469
It's just too dangerous.
539
00:32:23,529 --> 00:32:26,438
And I don't necessarily
agree with them
540
00:32:26,498 --> 00:32:29,307
Because drones are going
to be a part of our life
541
00:32:29,367 --> 00:32:30,608
Here pretty soon.
542
00:32:30,668 --> 00:32:32,042
They're going to be-
most likely they're
543
00:32:32,102 --> 00:32:35,412
Going to be doing things
that we were only able to do
544
00:32:35,472 --> 00:32:38,715
With people in a plane before.
545
00:32:38,775 --> 00:32:41,851
They're gonna be like dusting
crops, or planting seeds,
546
00:32:41,911 --> 00:32:43,786
Or are doing
humanitarians surveillance
547
00:32:43,846 --> 00:32:47,289
To- during floods
and disasters-
548
00:32:47,349 --> 00:32:49,591
To try and locate victims.
549
00:32:49,651 --> 00:32:51,593
You know, they're
gonna be there,
550
00:32:51,653 --> 00:32:53,728
But there's also that
other dangerous side
551
00:32:53,788 --> 00:32:55,930
To them that makes
war so easy and so
552
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:58,032
Convenient and so simple.
553
00:32:58,092 --> 00:33:00,934
That the people who have access
to this technology and access
554
00:33:00,994 --> 00:33:03,970
To this capability just say,
well, why wouldn't I use this?
555
00:33:04,030 --> 00:33:04,960
It's too easy.
556
00:33:11,069 --> 00:33:14,680
The most disturbing thing
about my involvement in drones
557
00:33:14,740 --> 00:33:20,085
Is the uncertainty if anybody
that I was involved in kill
558
00:33:20,145 --> 00:33:24,522
Or capture was civilian or not.
559
00:33:24,582 --> 00:33:25,552
There's no way of knowing.
560
00:33:31,854 --> 00:33:38,767
Lisa: There's a bomb,
they'd drop it, it explodes.
561
00:33:38,827 --> 00:33:40,568
Then what?
562
00:33:40,628 --> 00:33:43,103
Does somebody go down there and
asked for somebody's driver's
563
00:33:43,163 --> 00:33:44,537
License?
564
00:33:44,597 --> 00:33:45,704
Excuse me sir, can
I have your driver's
565
00:33:45,764 --> 00:33:47,338
License to see who you are?
566
00:33:47,398 --> 00:33:49,673
I mean, does that happen?
567
00:33:49,733 --> 00:33:51,374
How do we know?
568
00:33:51,434 --> 00:33:53,974
How is it possible to know
who ends up living or dying?
569
00:33:59,906 --> 00:34:03,083
Woman: So folks, welcome
to the commonwealth club.
570
00:34:03,143 --> 00:34:06,453
We have the great privilege
tonight to have a chance
571
00:34:06,513 --> 00:34:09,355
To talk with general
Stanley McChrystal, who
572
00:34:09,415 --> 00:34:11,990
Had a very distinguished
34 year career
573
00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:14,459
In the American military.
574
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:16,928
His last assignment
was as the commander
575
00:34:16,988 --> 00:34:19,463
Of the international
security assistance force
576
00:34:19,523 --> 00:34:21,431
In Afghanistan.
577
00:34:21,491 --> 00:34:23,366
Won't you, commonwealth
club members,
578
00:34:23,426 --> 00:34:25,626
Join me in welcoming
Stan McChrystal.
579
00:34:30,798 --> 00:34:32,674
Stanley McChrystal: Think
about today's world,
580
00:34:32,734 --> 00:34:35,977
And you can get information
from everywhere in real time.
581
00:34:36,037 --> 00:34:37,945
You can talk to anyone
in your organization.
582
00:34:38,005 --> 00:34:40,514
In my situation awareness-
from what we would call it-
583
00:34:40,574 --> 00:34:42,616
We had about 12
screens on the wall,
584
00:34:42,676 --> 00:34:45,952
And they were all showing
operations in real time-
585
00:34:46,012 --> 00:34:47,620
Full motion video we called it.
586
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,422
Like, live TV from predator,
unmanned, aerial vehicles
587
00:34:50,482 --> 00:34:51,723
Above them.
588
00:34:51,783 --> 00:34:53,758
So we could watch every
one of our operators
589
00:34:53,818 --> 00:34:56,627
Land in a helicopter, get out of
a vehicle, move on the target.
590
00:34:56,687 --> 00:34:58,095
And because of a
system we set up
591
00:34:58,155 --> 00:34:59,996
That went through
our secure internet,
592
00:35:00,056 --> 00:35:02,765
We could hear every
radio transmission.
593
00:35:02,825 --> 00:35:04,533
And if I were
sitting in Baghdad,
594
00:35:04,593 --> 00:35:07,702
I could hear radio transmissions
from a raid in Afghanistan.
595
00:35:07,762 --> 00:35:09,570
And if I wanted to,
I could reach down
596
00:35:09,630 --> 00:35:13,607
And talk to sergeant
X on the ground,
597
00:35:13,667 --> 00:35:15,575
On an objective in Afghanistan.
598
00:35:15,635 --> 00:35:17,977
Now I never did that,
but the technology
599
00:35:18,037 --> 00:35:20,045
Now allows you to do that.
600
00:35:20,105 --> 00:35:23,148
So the first thing to
understand is that's deceptive.
601
00:35:23,208 --> 00:35:25,750
It's seductive and deceptive
because if you see things
602
00:35:25,810 --> 00:35:27,618
In two dimension, you get
the opinion that you're
603
00:35:27,678 --> 00:35:29,620
At 10,000 feet, you
see this photograph,
604
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,755
You know what's going on.
605
00:35:31,815 --> 00:35:33,022
You don't know what's
going on, you know
606
00:35:33,082 --> 00:35:34,682
What you see in two dimensions.
607
00:35:43,156 --> 00:35:44,131
Lisa?
608
00:35:44,191 --> 00:35:45,465
L-I-s-a?
609
00:35:45,525 --> 00:35:46,485
Yep.
610
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,936
And I'm-
611
00:35:50,996 --> 00:35:52,671
Go on with the
question, please.
612
00:35:52,731 --> 00:35:53,972
Ok, so I'm very curious.
613
00:35:54,032 --> 00:35:56,774
I understand that
you're a little
614
00:35:56,834 --> 00:35:58,742
Wary about the drone program.
615
00:35:58,802 --> 00:36:03,747
And I'm wondering what your
views of the program are.
616
00:36:03,807 --> 00:36:07,217
Yeah, I think drones are here
to stay and they're necessary.
617
00:36:07,277 --> 00:36:10,220
But you have to understand
how people pursue things.
618
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,957
So it's one thing to do things,
but it's another to anger
619
00:36:14,017 --> 00:36:16,059
A population in the process.
620
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:17,994
So I think you've got to
make the value decision.
621
00:36:18,054 --> 00:36:20,596
You gotta say- in each
case you gotta make
622
00:36:20,656 --> 00:36:22,664
The decision- is it worth it?
623
00:36:22,724 --> 00:36:27,035
Because you are going to create
some ill-will in the process.
624
00:36:27,095 --> 00:36:30,705
I also think we need to
explain it to the world better.
625
00:36:30,765 --> 00:36:32,206
But again I'm not one of
those people who thinks
626
00:36:32,266 --> 00:36:33,507
It's not gonna be around.
627
00:36:33,567 --> 00:36:34,541
I mean, technology-
- oh, no.
628
00:36:34,601 --> 00:36:35,809
Doesn't go back.
629
00:36:35,869 --> 00:36:36,910
It doesn't- yeah,
once it's out of the bag,
630
00:36:36,970 --> 00:36:38,678
It's out of the bag.
631
00:36:38,738 --> 00:36:41,747
And it's not immoral or moral,
but it has to be understood.
632
00:36:41,807 --> 00:36:43,215
And it has to be
described to people,
633
00:36:43,275 --> 00:36:45,116
And it has to be carefully used.
634
00:36:45,176 --> 00:36:47,718
I just think it's
that important.
635
00:36:47,778 --> 00:36:48,952
Well, I just want
to say thank you.
636
00:36:49,012 --> 00:36:50,653
I read your book and
I so appreciate-
637
00:36:50,713 --> 00:36:52,087
Well you're
- so much.
638
00:36:52,147 --> 00:36:53,855
- Your understanding
- so of the afghan culture,
639
00:36:53,915 --> 00:36:54,822
And all of that.
640
00:36:54,882 --> 00:36:56,722
It just touched my heart.
641
00:37:15,567 --> 00:37:18,544
Lisa: One of my neighbors,
her name is,
642
00:37:18,604 --> 00:37:21,179
And she was born in Afghanistan.
643
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,917
And she goes there every
year distributing seeds,
644
00:37:25,977 --> 00:37:28,052
And doing humanitarian work.
645
00:37:28,112 --> 00:37:30,621
And was willing
to take me this year
646
00:37:30,681 --> 00:37:32,981
And it's a beautiful thing.
647
00:37:42,057 --> 00:37:45,234
I'm aware that Afghanistan
is a dangerous place.
648
00:37:45,294 --> 00:37:48,937
I'm aware that there is
still war going on there,
649
00:37:48,997 --> 00:37:55,209
But I believe that doing this
is the right thing to do.
650
00:37:55,269 --> 00:37:59,746
I lost part of my humanity
working in the drone program.
651
00:37:59,806 --> 00:38:03,249
And humanity was what
was missing there.
652
00:38:03,309 --> 00:38:07,186
And seeing these
people as human beings,
653
00:38:07,246 --> 00:38:11,076
It'll be nice to
just see it up close.
654
00:38:18,389 --> 00:38:19,319
I missed you.
655
00:39:03,027 --> 00:39:05,003
Lisa: When I'd meet
these people, part of it
656
00:39:05,063 --> 00:39:07,672
Is making reparations
for my participation
657
00:39:07,732 --> 00:39:10,307
In a program that's
a huge, huge weapon
658
00:39:10,367 --> 00:39:16,713
System that kills more innocent
people than actual targets.
659
00:39:16,773 --> 00:39:21,984
There's no way that I can make
amends, or change anything
660
00:39:22,044 --> 00:39:23,752
That I've participated in.
661
00:39:23,812 --> 00:39:26,121
But if there's
any way that I can
662
00:39:26,181 --> 00:39:28,323
Somehow give back
to that country,
663
00:39:28,383 --> 00:39:29,783
That's what I wanna do.
664
00:39:41,393 --> 00:39:43,133
I said, give the ladies two.
665
00:39:47,365 --> 00:39:50,676
Lisa: I wanna be able to be
helpful even just a little bit,
666
00:39:50,736 --> 00:39:53,145
By talking to somebody
who has been directly
667
00:39:53,205 --> 00:39:55,847
Impacted by the drone program.
668
00:39:55,907 --> 00:39:57,648
And asking, what do you need?
669
00:39:57,708 --> 00:40:00,117
What do you want people to hear?
670
00:40:00,177 --> 00:40:02,686
Basically, how can I be helpful?
671
00:40:02,746 --> 00:40:08,090
Because being a part of a
weapon system can't be helpful,
672
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:09,820
It can only be hurtful.
673
00:40:23,063 --> 00:40:24,205
All: Hi!
674
00:40:24,265 --> 00:40:25,425
I'm finally here,
sorry about that.
675
00:40:31,036 --> 00:40:36,082
My feeling of her moving to
California is mixed emotions.
676
00:40:36,142 --> 00:40:39,185
I feel it's an
opportunity for her,
677
00:40:39,245 --> 00:40:45,190
But I'm concerned about a young
lady being that far from home,
678
00:40:45,250 --> 00:40:49,227
Without family support
that can't be nearby.
679
00:40:49,287 --> 00:40:52,463
And if she needs help, it
would take some time for us
680
00:40:52,523 --> 00:40:53,963
To get help to her.
681
00:40:56,925 --> 00:41:00,336
Heather's mom: She has episodes
at least once or twice a week,
682
00:41:00,396 --> 00:41:03,772
Sees things, hears things.
683
00:41:03,832 --> 00:41:06,374
But it's so hard for our
vets and our soldiers,
684
00:41:06,434 --> 00:41:09,110
And men and women to get help.
685
00:41:09,170 --> 00:41:11,045
And with drone
people, they consider
686
00:41:11,105 --> 00:41:14,715
That they didn't see combat
because they weren't overseas.
687
00:41:14,775 --> 00:41:16,183
And that's not the truth.
688
00:41:16,243 --> 00:41:19,286
They see a lot of
combat, but nobody
689
00:41:19,346 --> 00:41:25,391
Takes that into consideration
690
00:41:25,451 --> 00:41:28,961
It's not just my granddaughter
that has had trouble getting
691
00:41:29,021 --> 00:41:30,829
The treatment she needed.
692
00:41:30,889 --> 00:41:33,498
I know she attempted
to get help.
693
00:41:33,558 --> 00:41:36,234
And she had trouble
finding a therapist
694
00:41:36,294 --> 00:41:38,803
To talk to because
they didn't have
695
00:41:38,863 --> 00:41:41,839
The right security clearance.
696
00:41:41,899 --> 00:41:43,908
And she was in
violation of the law
697
00:41:43,968 --> 00:41:46,510
And could go to prison
for even talking
698
00:41:46,570 --> 00:41:50,847
To the wrong therapist about
what was really bothering her.
699
00:41:50,907 --> 00:41:54,317
And that made me a little
angry at our own government
700
00:41:54,377 --> 00:41:58,421
For putting these
kids through hell.
701
00:41:58,481 --> 00:42:01,590
If we put our young people in
this kind of an environment,
702
00:42:01,650 --> 00:42:05,927
We have an obligation
to look after them,
703
00:42:05,987 --> 00:42:10,564
To help them make the
adjustment back to normal life.
704
00:42:10,624 --> 00:42:14,564
And we're not doing that,
and that's shame on us.
705
00:42:33,478 --> 00:42:35,053
Jesselyn Radack: The
government recently
706
00:42:35,113 --> 00:42:37,288
Contacted two of the
drone whistleblowers,
707
00:42:37,348 --> 00:42:39,156
Whom I represent.
708
00:42:39,216 --> 00:42:42,359
The government, meaning
the air force office
709
00:42:42,419 --> 00:42:47,530
Of special investigation and the
federal bureau of investigation
710
00:42:47,590 --> 00:42:51,567
Contacted them, told them
that they were on some sort
711
00:42:51,627 --> 00:42:54,202
Of terrorist kill list.
712
00:42:54,262 --> 00:42:55,903
In heather's case,
my understanding
713
00:42:55,963 --> 00:43:00,407
Was that the air force office
of special investigations
714
00:43:00,467 --> 00:43:04,511
Contacted her stepfather
to relay the message
715
00:43:04,571 --> 00:43:08,114
That a known
terrorist organization
716
00:43:08,174 --> 00:43:10,683
Had been searching her name.
717
00:43:10,743 --> 00:43:13,952
And on the one hand
they said, there was not
718
00:43:14,012 --> 00:43:17,021
A specific or imminent threat.
719
00:43:17,081 --> 00:43:20,224
On the other hand, they had very
tailored solutions for heather,
720
00:43:20,284 --> 00:43:24,961
Which was that she needed to
tone down her social profile
721
00:43:25,021 --> 00:43:26,162
In general.
722
00:43:26,222 --> 00:43:27,963
And that would include
writing op-eds,
723
00:43:28,023 --> 00:43:32,033
That would include the use
of twitter and Facebook.
724
00:43:32,093 --> 00:43:34,135
It's not like heather's
been out screaming
725
00:43:34,195 --> 00:43:36,103
From the rooftop about drones.
726
00:43:36,163 --> 00:43:39,473
But clearly the government
is very aware of the fact
727
00:43:39,533 --> 00:43:44,044
That she had written
about drones before.
728
00:43:44,104 --> 00:43:47,480
To me that's a blatant attempt
to silence whistleblowers,
729
00:43:47,540 --> 00:43:49,949
And it doesn't surprise
me that that happens
730
00:43:50,009 --> 00:43:52,184
To the very few
people who have been
731
00:43:52,244 --> 00:43:55,654
Brave enough to be speaking
out against the drone program.
732
00:44:52,768 --> 00:44:54,744
Daniel: When they
arrived, it was actually
733
00:44:54,804 --> 00:44:57,146
Just hours after I had
turned in my badge,
734
00:44:57,206 --> 00:45:00,182
And was finishing my last day.
735
00:45:00,242 --> 00:45:05,353
I had gotten home, was relaxing,
I had poured myself a drink.
736
00:45:05,413 --> 00:45:08,456
And somebody downstairs
was knocking at the door,
737
00:45:08,516 --> 00:45:11,759
And immediately- both people
at the door, man and woman-
738
00:45:11,819 --> 00:45:15,529
Shoved FBI badges in my
face, pushed me inside
739
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:20,133
Into the kitchen, and
immediately behind them
740
00:45:20,193 --> 00:45:23,169
Came- I'd say about 20
agents- basically all of them
741
00:45:23,229 --> 00:45:25,237
With pistols drawn
somewhere, in body armor.
742
00:45:25,297 --> 00:45:27,706
And at this point
I'm extremely scared.
743
00:45:27,766 --> 00:45:30,375
I didn't understand
what was going on.
744
00:45:30,435 --> 00:45:32,643
Altogether, I think there
might have been at least 30
745
00:45:32,703 --> 00:45:35,145
To 50 agents in and out of
the house at different points
746
00:45:35,205 --> 00:45:37,413
Throughout the evening,
taking photos in every room,
747
00:45:37,473 --> 00:45:40,082
And of everything, searching
for different things.
748
00:45:40,142 --> 00:45:43,285
Once they were done,
they left and I
749
00:45:43,345 --> 00:45:44,819
Didn't even have a phone on me.
750
00:45:44,879 --> 00:45:50,190
So I had retained a number-
one of the agents allowed me
751
00:45:50,250 --> 00:45:53,593
To retrieve a number
from my phone-
752
00:45:53,653 --> 00:45:58,497
And then I used that to call
my friends in dc to ask them
753
00:45:58,557 --> 00:46:02,067
If they could- if they
could help me get in touch
754
00:46:02,127 --> 00:46:04,636
With the- the right
people that knew
755
00:46:04,696 --> 00:46:08,139
How- that knew how to deal
with these kinds of cases.
756
00:46:08,199 --> 00:46:13,510
Once I was in touch with
Daniel, we met at one location
757
00:46:13,570 --> 00:46:17,213
And promptly moved
to another location.
758
00:46:17,273 --> 00:46:20,716
And he started telling
me what was going on.
759
00:46:20,776 --> 00:46:23,351
And it became very
apparent that he
760
00:46:23,411 --> 00:46:26,153
Had been subject
to search warrants
761
00:46:26,213 --> 00:46:30,090
That he had brought
with him and showed me.
762
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:33,259
And I drafted up an
attorney-client agreement-
763
00:46:33,319 --> 00:46:38,497
A temporary one- on a
napkin so I could provide
764
00:46:38,557 --> 00:46:41,199
Immediate representation
and then eventually
765
00:46:41,259 --> 00:46:45,836
Was able to do a full agreement
with him, but he was terrified.
766
00:46:45,896 --> 00:46:52,143
Everything that we know so
far between me and my attorneys,
767
00:46:53,903 --> 00:46:55,244
I've been keeping in here.
768
00:46:55,304 --> 00:46:57,579
And it's basically
just the warrants
769
00:46:57,639 --> 00:47:02,539
That were issued that day,
and the items that they took.
770
00:47:08,481 --> 00:47:10,757
And so there were
three warrants issued.
771
00:47:10,817 --> 00:47:13,626
One for the room, of
the house that I was in,
772
00:47:13,686 --> 00:47:16,362
And the house itself.
773
00:47:16,422 --> 00:47:23,268
The- there's a warrant issued
for me and my smartphone,
774
00:47:23,328 --> 00:47:27,505
That I may have
in my possession.
775
00:47:27,565 --> 00:47:33,377
There's this- there's
one for my motorcycle,
776
00:47:33,437 --> 00:47:38,814
And then there's a list of
all the things that they took.
777
00:47:38,874 --> 00:47:41,583
So basically there was
a list for electronics,
778
00:47:41,643 --> 00:47:44,185
And there was a list for papers.
779
00:47:44,245 --> 00:47:48,789
The next was just an explanation
of what they were looking for.
780
00:47:48,849 --> 00:47:50,757
So under category 1,
"information and documents,
781
00:47:50,817 --> 00:47:54,327
In any format or medium, all
originals, computer files,
782
00:47:54,387 --> 00:47:56,829
Copies, and manipulated
versions of that
783
00:47:56,889 --> 00:47:59,231
Are the property of the
United States government,
784
00:47:59,291 --> 00:48:01,266
Or any agency of the
United States government,
785
00:48:01,326 --> 00:48:05,169
Including the NSA,
the NGA, JSOC,
786
00:48:05,229 --> 00:48:08,372
The Department of Defense, the
Department of the Air Force.
787
00:48:08,432 --> 00:48:10,507
All classified information,
materials, or documents
788
00:48:10,567 --> 00:48:14,310
Are defined in 18 U.S.C. 1924.
789
00:48:14,370 --> 00:48:18,514
So those five
departments or agencies-
790
00:48:18,574 --> 00:48:20,582
However you look at
them- those are all
791
00:48:20,642 --> 00:48:23,918
Places I have worked for.
792
00:48:23,978 --> 00:48:30,725
793e, and 130a1,
130a2b, and 1924.
793
00:48:32,585 --> 00:48:34,593
So I'd have to actually
do some research on that.
794
00:48:34,653 --> 00:48:38,396
I should've probably done
that if I- if I were
795
00:48:38,456 --> 00:48:39,663
More responsible for myself.
796
00:48:39,723 --> 00:48:41,197
But I'm pretty sure,
you know, they're all
797
00:48:41,257 --> 00:48:43,666
Just intels in generic blanket.
798
00:48:43,726 --> 00:48:45,726
This is a criminal
investigation for espionage act.
799
00:48:48,896 --> 00:48:53,441
The espionage act is one of
the most serious charges you
800
00:48:53,501 --> 00:48:55,476
Can level against an American.
801
00:48:55,536 --> 00:48:58,545
It's like, treason,
it's that serious
802
00:48:58,605 --> 00:49:01,915
Because basically it paints
you as an enemy of the state.
803
00:49:01,975 --> 00:49:04,918
And it's a David versus
Goliath struggle.
804
00:49:04,978 --> 00:49:08,488
It is a single person
against the entire executive
805
00:49:08,548 --> 00:49:11,557
Branch of the united
states government.
806
00:49:11,617 --> 00:49:12,891
And that's the
kind of power we're
807
00:49:12,951 --> 00:49:15,793
Supposed to reserve for
going after our enemies,
808
00:49:15,853 --> 00:49:18,653
Not after people
who are patriotic.
809
00:50:10,906 --> 00:50:13,616
Lisa: We're going to meet
some of the families that have
810
00:50:13,676 --> 00:50:18,587
Been affected by drone warfare.
811
00:50:18,647 --> 00:50:23,725
I want to respect them,
and so I'll stay back.
812
00:50:23,785 --> 00:50:30,464
Because I can't imagine how
they'd feel seeing somebody
813
00:50:30,524 --> 00:50:33,667
That worked on the system
that killed their child,
814
00:50:33,727 --> 00:50:39,906
Or killed members of their
family, or took limbs.
815
00:50:39,966 --> 00:50:43,576
So I'll stay back,
and
816
00:50:43,636 --> 00:50:46,796
Will be there and talk to them.
817
00:54:43,872 --> 00:54:45,614
Sensor: Looks like people
on the back of the pickup.
818
00:54:45,674 --> 00:54:49,784
One, two, three, at
least five people so far.
819
01:03:47,241 --> 01:03:49,784
See, this is
what pisses me off,
820
01:03:49,844 --> 01:03:53,354
Where these fucking
assholes are like-
821
01:03:53,414 --> 01:03:55,422
They're saying in
here DGS supposedly
822
01:03:55,482 --> 01:03:57,490
Sees women and children.
823
01:03:57,550 --> 01:03:59,825
They're saying DGS
supposedly sees it.
824
01:03:59,885 --> 01:04:01,827
We went to school
for almost a year
825
01:04:01,887 --> 01:04:04,262
To be able to identify
women and children.
826
01:04:04,322 --> 01:04:07,265
And this was a- this
is a daily thing.
827
01:04:07,325 --> 01:04:10,768
Where the pilot and the sos
and everybody that's at creech
828
01:04:10,828 --> 01:04:14,104
Is constantly saying, no
no DGS is full of shit,
829
01:04:14,164 --> 01:04:15,405
They don't see anything.
830
01:04:15,465 --> 01:04:17,740
This happened all
the time, and I'd
831
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,442
Have to literally sit there
arguing with these dick heads,
832
01:04:20,502 --> 01:04:23,411
And have them just be saying
shit like this to the people
833
01:04:23,471 --> 01:04:25,246
That I can't talk to.
834
01:04:25,306 --> 01:04:27,606
Because I don't have
access to talk to them.
835
01:04:30,809 --> 01:04:33,853
God damn the DGS fucking hated
creech, because they were
836
01:04:33,913 --> 01:04:36,589
Always trying to kill people.
837
01:04:36,649 --> 01:04:38,691
They always wanted to
be blowing someone up.
838
01:04:38,751 --> 01:04:41,493
And all these officers-
the,
839
01:04:41,553 --> 01:04:44,229
The pilot, all these people-
it looks good on their resume
840
01:04:44,289 --> 01:04:47,465
If they kill more people.
841
01:04:47,525 --> 01:04:50,167
And then here they're saying
that everything supposedly-
842
01:04:50,227 --> 01:04:53,827
DGS is supposedly
calling this out.
843
01:05:01,803 --> 01:05:03,378
And then they just
have an outright lie
844
01:05:03,438 --> 01:05:05,446
That DGS didn't call out
any women or children prior
845
01:05:05,506 --> 01:05:11,484
To this point when about an
hour before that was when
846
01:05:11,544 --> 01:05:12,785
They killed all those people.
847
01:05:12,845 --> 01:05:14,353
And DGS was saying,
right before they killed
848
01:05:14,413 --> 01:05:15,413
Them that they saw children.
849
01:05:20,517 --> 01:05:23,260
I know what- I know what
crews did this mission
850
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,795
And it wasn't at my base,
I can safely say that.
851
01:05:25,855 --> 01:05:28,931
Because I remember
this- this call sign,
852
01:05:28,991 --> 01:05:33,269
But it's- this wasn't-
these crews weren't- this
853
01:05:33,329 --> 01:05:34,870
DGS wasn't my DGS.
854
01:05:34,930 --> 01:05:36,738
But they're all set
up the same in terms
855
01:05:36,798 --> 01:05:38,506
Of the people that
are working them,
856
01:05:38,566 --> 01:05:41,809
And it's just such bullshit.
857
01:05:41,869 --> 01:05:43,443
There's this one
thing in here where
858
01:05:43,503 --> 01:05:48,915
The pilots typing, "the
lady is carrying a kid, huh?
859
01:05:48,975 --> 01:05:50,383
Maybe."
860
01:05:50,443 --> 01:05:52,451
And then sensor operator
says, "uh, yeah."
861
01:05:52,511 --> 01:05:54,486
If you were to read a DGS
transcript- which you'll
862
01:05:54,546 --> 01:05:56,488
Probably never be able to
get your hands on- you
863
01:05:56,548 --> 01:06:00,859
Would see lingo and jargon,
specifically designed
864
01:06:00,919 --> 01:06:04,529
To make statements short and
make them possible, probable,
865
01:06:04,589 --> 01:06:05,930
Or confirmed.
866
01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:07,965
You wouldn't be seeing
people saying, "maybe it's
867
01:06:08,025 --> 01:06:11,635
A kid," "uh, we don't
know." "uh, we think it's
868
01:06:11,695 --> 01:06:15,739
Possible woman." I
couldn't talk about this stuff
869
01:06:15,799 --> 01:06:19,375
Because it's classified, but now
that I have this unclassified
870
01:06:19,435 --> 01:06:21,744
Thing sitting right in front
of me of these dickheads
871
01:06:21,804 --> 01:06:24,313
Saying all this shit about us.
872
01:06:24,373 --> 01:06:28,517
we were the ones who
had to really try to stop
873
01:06:28,577 --> 01:06:29,818
Them all the fucking time.
874
01:06:29,878 --> 01:06:31,085
You shouldn't have to
stop your own people
875
01:06:31,145 --> 01:06:32,735
From killing civilians.
876
01:06:44,055 --> 01:06:48,066
To the great people of
Afghanistan, as-salamu alaykum.
877
01:06:48,126 --> 01:06:50,068
I've spoken with
president Karzai,
878
01:06:50,128 --> 01:06:53,905
And apologize to him and
to the Afghan people.
879
01:06:53,965 --> 01:06:56,874
I've instituted a thorough
investigation to prevent
880
01:06:56,934 --> 01:06:59,076
This from happening again.
881
01:06:59,136 --> 01:07:02,879
We're extremely saddened by this
tragic loss of innocent lives.
882
01:07:02,939 --> 01:07:05,047
I've made it clear to our
forces that we're here
883
01:07:05,107 --> 01:07:07,349
To protect the Afghan people.
884
01:07:07,409 --> 01:07:10,585
I pledge to strengthen our
efforts, to regain your trust,
885
01:07:10,645 --> 01:07:14,689
To build a brighter
future for all Afghans.
886
01:07:14,749 --> 01:07:17,925
Most importantly, I
express my deepest,
887
01:07:17,985 --> 01:07:22,429
Heartfelt condolences to the
victims and to their families.
888
01:07:22,489 --> 01:07:24,497
We all share in their
grief, and we'll keep them
889
01:07:24,557 --> 01:07:26,057
In our thoughts and prayers.
890
01:08:56,277 --> 01:08:57,786
What did they tell you?
891
01:08:57,846 --> 01:09:00,555
You know, there was
three buses full of people
892
01:09:00,615 --> 01:09:02,056
From this village.
893
01:09:02,116 --> 01:09:04,892
And one of the story
was that the wife
894
01:09:04,952 --> 01:09:08,228
Lost a- a husband and a child.
895
01:09:08,288 --> 01:09:12,899
And she went outside with
the child, and lifted up
896
01:09:12,959 --> 01:09:16,135
And showing the child
to the helicopters,
897
01:09:16,195 --> 01:09:19,138
And the drones that this
is a really peaceful
898
01:09:19,198 --> 01:09:22,975
Family caravan going someplace.
899
01:09:23,035 --> 01:09:27,545
By the time he turned
around, it was hit.
900
01:09:27,605 --> 01:09:28,812
They're not stupid.
901
01:09:28,872 --> 01:09:30,847
They knew, they know
exactly what it is.
902
01:09:30,907 --> 01:09:33,249
They know what drone is, they
know what's a helicopters.
903
01:09:33,309 --> 01:09:37,753
They told us drone is a-
it's a plane from above,
904
01:09:37,813 --> 01:09:39,521
It has cameras,
and they can watch
905
01:09:39,581 --> 01:09:41,990
And look and take information.
906
01:09:42,050 --> 01:09:44,850
They thought drone
was not for striking.
907
01:10:45,377 --> 01:10:49,689
Jesselyn Radack: Daniel is
in the worst of all worlds
908
01:10:49,749 --> 01:10:54,326
Because the government
clearly has an espionage
909
01:10:54,386 --> 01:10:56,861
Investigation into him.
910
01:10:56,921 --> 01:11:01,765
And now this is a sword of
Damocles hanging over his head,
911
01:11:01,825 --> 01:11:04,968
That he could be
indicted any day,
912
01:11:05,028 --> 01:11:11,774
Or years from now for espionage
because the government suspects
913
01:11:11,834 --> 01:11:16,578
That he is a source
of information
914
01:11:16,638 --> 01:11:19,681
About the drone program
that the government doesn't
915
01:11:19,741 --> 01:11:20,671
Want out there.
916
01:11:29,048 --> 01:11:31,024
Daniel: I've discussed
with my lawyers
917
01:11:31,084 --> 01:11:32,725
To the full extent,
everything that I
918
01:11:32,785 --> 01:11:36,128
Think that this
investigation could be about.
919
01:11:36,188 --> 01:11:38,830
A lot of that is
details that I simply
920
01:11:38,890 --> 01:11:41,299
Could never talk about on film.
921
01:11:41,359 --> 01:11:45,102
But what I will say is that
it's likely to do with the fact
922
01:11:45,162 --> 01:11:48,071
That I'm someone
who has both worked
923
01:11:48,131 --> 01:11:51,274
For the intelligence community,
and who's politically active.
924
01:11:51,334 --> 01:11:56,345
And therefore they
are suspicious of my-
925
01:11:56,405 --> 01:11:58,235
Of my background.
926
01:12:05,044 --> 01:12:07,887
When did you move here?
927
01:12:07,947 --> 01:12:08,888
Daniel: August.
928
01:12:08,948 --> 01:12:10,689
Yeah.
929
01:12:10,749 --> 01:12:12,791
You probably remember back in
like, August, I called you out
930
01:12:12,851 --> 01:12:15,059
Of nowhere, and asking
you about- yeah.
931
01:12:15,119 --> 01:12:17,895
So there's a long story to that.
932
01:12:17,955 --> 01:12:21,932
I'm ok, but it's- it's
a bit of a legal matter.
933
01:12:21,992 --> 01:12:23,667
No, thank- I just wanna
thank you again for like,
934
01:12:23,727 --> 01:12:25,268
Being available.
935
01:12:25,328 --> 01:12:27,270
That's really very- like, if
I couldn't get a hold of you,
936
01:12:27,330 --> 01:12:28,838
I would- I didn't know
what I was gonna do.
937
01:12:28,898 --> 01:12:30,072
But it-
- yeah, anytime.
938
01:12:30,132 --> 01:12:32,107
Yeah, thanks.
939
01:12:32,167 --> 01:12:34,375
But it all- it got resolved?
940
01:12:34,435 --> 01:12:36,844
It's in the middle of
being resolved, hopefully.
941
01:12:36,904 --> 01:12:40,681
But as far as now is concerned,
I can't talk about it.
942
01:12:40,741 --> 01:12:43,917
Right now my biggest
concern is- well,
943
01:12:43,977 --> 01:12:46,986
It's certainly not school,
even though I'm in school.
944
01:12:47,046 --> 01:12:49,288
And it's basically like
the least- the thing
945
01:12:49,348 --> 01:12:50,822
I'm least focused on.
946
01:12:50,882 --> 01:12:52,824
Even though it should be
the number one priority
947
01:12:52,884 --> 01:12:56,928
I have right now, but right
now I'm just constantly going
948
01:12:56,988 --> 01:13:01,032
Over my head and constantly
thinking about what I'm saying
949
01:13:01,092 --> 01:13:02,767
And who I'm saying it to.
950
01:13:02,827 --> 01:13:06,971
And making sure that I'm not
saying anything to somebody,
951
01:13:07,031 --> 01:13:08,973
Whether a stranger,
or somebody I know,
952
01:13:09,033 --> 01:13:11,809
Somebody I think I can trust,
or I know I can't trust.
953
01:13:11,869 --> 01:13:13,744
I'm just- I'm always afraid
of saying the wrong thing,
954
01:13:13,804 --> 01:13:15,278
The wrong time.
955
01:13:15,338 --> 01:13:18,781
And I'm always second guessing
my words everywhere I go.
956
01:13:18,841 --> 01:13:22,084
I mean, me personally, like,
I just live every day trying
957
01:13:22,144 --> 01:13:25,987
To become more and more
comfortable with the idea
958
01:13:26,047 --> 01:13:27,922
That it's probably gonna happen.
959
01:13:27,982 --> 01:13:30,224
That I'm probably gonna get
indicted and I'm probably going
960
01:13:30,284 --> 01:13:32,259
To get charged with a crime.
961
01:13:32,319 --> 01:13:34,394
And that there's
probably a real chance
962
01:13:34,454 --> 01:13:38,731
I'll have to fight to
stay out of prison.
963
01:13:38,791 --> 01:13:43,869
I think it's kind of funny- a
little ironic too- because so
964
01:13:43,929 --> 01:13:47,239
Far I'm probably
the only adult male
965
01:13:47,299 --> 01:13:50,809
In my entire family
in media and external
966
01:13:50,869 --> 01:13:53,912
That has not been
to prison so far.
967
01:13:53,972 --> 01:13:59,984
So I come from a long lineage
of prisoners, actually.
968
01:14:00,044 --> 01:14:02,419
Great proud
tradition of fuck-ups
969
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:07,957
Who get drunk, and go driving,
or sell pot, or, you know,
970
01:14:08,017 --> 01:14:10,092
Carrying a gun
when they shouldn't
971
01:14:10,152 --> 01:14:13,295
Be carrying a gun in the
wrong place, the wrong time.
972
01:14:13,355 --> 01:14:17,399
A lot of that where-
where I'm from.
973
01:14:17,459 --> 01:14:23,471
But I've- I don't know.
974
01:14:23,531 --> 01:14:30,077
Is it scary to think about
one day being in prison?
975
01:14:30,137 --> 01:14:31,912
Yeah, I don't have a
good answer for that
976
01:14:31,972 --> 01:14:33,046
Because it's scary in prison.
977
01:14:33,106 --> 01:14:34,447
Yes, that's it.
978
01:14:34,507 --> 01:14:37,167
that was a
fucking three minute yes.
979
01:14:52,022 --> 01:14:54,165
All the clients
I've represented-
980
01:14:54,225 --> 01:14:57,902
Although I've represented them
pro Bono- we have to involve
981
01:14:57,962 --> 01:14:59,503
Criminal defense attorneys.
982
01:14:59,563 --> 01:15:04,441
And all of them owe legal bills
upwards of a million dollars,
983
01:15:04,501 --> 01:15:10,179
And that usually only goes
before trial even began.
984
01:15:10,239 --> 01:15:12,247
The million dollar
bill, that doesn't even
985
01:15:12,307 --> 01:15:15,049
Take you through at
the beginning of trial.
986
01:15:15,109 --> 01:15:18,218
So the economic
price alone- not
987
01:15:18,278 --> 01:15:21,454
To mention the personal
price of your relationships-
988
01:15:21,514 --> 01:15:23,889
Because you can't talk to
your friends and family
989
01:15:23,949 --> 01:15:25,891
About what's going on.
990
01:15:25,951 --> 01:15:29,461
You can't even talk to-
theoretically- a therapist
991
01:15:29,521 --> 01:15:31,229
About what's going on.
992
01:15:31,289 --> 01:15:36,200
The emotional costs
are indescribable-
993
01:15:36,260 --> 01:15:41,038
And it's not an exaggeration
to say that most of my clients
994
01:15:41,098 --> 01:15:44,474
Who've been under espionage
criminal investigations-
995
01:15:44,534 --> 01:15:49,111
Is not at all unusual for
them to end up blacklisted,
996
01:15:49,171 --> 01:15:53,181
And bankrupt, and broken.
997
01:15:53,241 --> 01:15:56,884
At a minimum almost
every one of my clients
998
01:15:56,944 --> 01:15:59,186
Who had to deal with
this has suffered
999
01:15:59,246 --> 01:16:02,522
From severe anxiety,
and depression,
1000
01:16:02,582 --> 01:16:04,957
And suicidal ideation.
1001
01:16:05,017 --> 01:16:07,426
And in terms of what it
could actually do to him
1002
01:16:07,486 --> 01:16:11,116
It could imprison
him for decades.
1003
01:16:23,399 --> 01:16:26,443
It's kind of- it's a
big day, but it's also good
1004
01:16:26,503 --> 01:16:29,179
Because, like, tomorrow I
can wake up and not think,
1005
01:16:29,239 --> 01:16:31,247
Like, I wonder when
I'll hear from the Va.
1006
01:16:31,307 --> 01:16:33,849
Like, it'll- whether,
you know, whatever they
1007
01:16:33,909 --> 01:16:35,217
Decide at least I
know that I don't have
1008
01:16:35,277 --> 01:16:37,137
To worry about it anymore.
1009
01:16:46,152 --> 01:16:47,327
I'm sure they won't
even know what
1010
01:16:47,387 --> 01:16:50,296
My job was in the military.
1011
01:16:50,356 --> 01:16:51,964
That's gonna be interesting.
1012
01:16:52,024 --> 01:16:55,867
Because- they're, like,
if it is a civilian company
1013
01:16:55,927 --> 01:16:57,168
That they're outsourcing to.
1014
01:16:57,228 --> 01:16:59,303
So they're probably
be like, what?
1015
01:16:59,363 --> 01:17:00,470
What's a- what's a predator?
1016
01:17:00,530 --> 01:17:02,238
What's a reaper?
1017
01:17:02,298 --> 01:17:04,106
So that should be interesting,
and that should probably
1018
01:17:04,166 --> 01:17:06,007
Have a lot to do with if I
don't get my disability-
1019
01:17:06,067 --> 01:17:10,411
Don't get the disability.
1020
01:17:10,471 --> 01:17:11,441
We will see.
1021
01:17:20,545 --> 01:17:22,475
I can see they
have ample parking.
1022
01:17:29,653 --> 01:17:31,495
I don't care about the money.
1023
01:17:31,555 --> 01:17:38,401
It's about- it's about
recognizing that someone
1024
01:17:38,461 --> 01:17:42,405
Can see terrible
things and still need
1025
01:17:42,465 --> 01:17:44,206
To talk to someone about it.
1026
01:17:44,266 --> 01:17:48,443
And still need to figure
out how to heal from that
1027
01:17:48,503 --> 01:17:50,545
Without having to get
shot at, or without having
1028
01:17:50,605 --> 01:17:52,613
To be in the war zone.
1029
01:17:52,673 --> 01:17:56,683
It's about understanding that
people see traumatic things.
1030
01:17:56,743 --> 01:18:00,186
And that can affect
them just as much as
1031
01:18:00,246 --> 01:18:02,154
If you're involved in
the traumatic things,
1032
01:18:02,214 --> 01:18:04,289
Because we're all directly
involved in the drone program
1033
01:18:04,349 --> 01:18:05,409
Whether people think
they are or not.
1034
01:18:10,019 --> 01:18:11,489
But they'll decide that for me.
1035
01:18:32,007 --> 01:18:35,051
When I went in I was like-
I was expecting like,
1036
01:18:35,111 --> 01:18:37,019
The whole thing to be them
coming up with reasons
1037
01:18:37,079 --> 01:18:39,154
Why I don't have PTSD.
1038
01:18:39,214 --> 01:18:42,057
And the guy sat down,
and he was so nice.
1039
01:18:42,117 --> 01:18:46,694
And he sat down and he
was like, so I was looking
1040
01:18:46,754 --> 01:18:48,128
At your papers, it
seems like you saw
1041
01:18:48,188 --> 01:18:49,395
A lot of really awful things.
1042
01:18:49,455 --> 01:18:51,196
And he was like,
he had me describe
1043
01:18:51,256 --> 01:18:52,730
Some of them and stuff,
and I started crying.
1044
01:18:52,790 --> 01:18:54,298
And he's like, gave
me tissues and he's
1045
01:18:54,358 --> 01:18:56,233
Just like, I'm so sorry.
1046
01:18:56,293 --> 01:18:58,368
And he's like, I'm so sorry
you had to see these things.
1047
01:18:58,428 --> 01:19:02,372
And he's like, you're way
too young for that, you know?
1048
01:19:02,432 --> 01:19:04,841
It's- it's really tough and
we're gonna try to get you
1049
01:19:04,901 --> 01:19:06,409
The best help we can get you.
1050
01:19:06,469 --> 01:19:10,446
And like, it was-
he was like, you
1051
01:19:10,506 --> 01:19:12,181
Know it's good that
you're coming in here
1052
01:19:12,241 --> 01:19:14,283
And I'm really glad you're
seeing a therapist regularly.
1053
01:19:14,343 --> 01:19:15,417
And he's like,
these are all things
1054
01:19:15,477 --> 01:19:16,751
That can really help you.
1055
01:19:16,811 --> 01:19:19,120
And he's like, I see a
lot of people with PTSD.
1056
01:19:19,180 --> 01:19:23,257
And he's like, I promise it's
not always gonna be like this,
1057
01:19:23,317 --> 01:19:25,559
You know, you're
gonna eventually have
1058
01:19:25,619 --> 01:19:29,095
Days where it's a lot easier.
1059
01:19:29,155 --> 01:19:31,297
He's like, hopefully,
you know, you won't feel
1060
01:19:31,357 --> 01:19:33,257
As guilty as you do, forever.
1061
01:19:42,532 --> 01:19:45,409
Daniel: It's really
tough to- to describe
1062
01:19:45,469 --> 01:19:47,677
What that feeling is like.
1063
01:19:47,737 --> 01:19:52,681
You know, having the image
in your head of, you know,
1064
01:19:52,741 --> 01:19:55,850
Just taking your
own life is- like
1065
01:19:55,910 --> 01:19:58,352
It's- it's not a good feeling.
1066
01:19:58,412 --> 01:20:00,487
It's not something
people should-
1067
01:20:00,547 --> 01:20:02,155
Should have to deal with.
1068
01:20:02,215 --> 01:20:06,292
And- and yet despite-
and yet we do.
1069
01:20:06,352 --> 01:20:10,162
Yet we do have those thoughts
sometimes when we are in our,
1070
01:20:10,222 --> 01:20:15,834
Like, in our darkest places,
we have a lot to worry about
1071
01:20:15,894 --> 01:20:18,469
And the future is uncertain.
1072
01:20:18,529 --> 01:20:25,142
And we are- you know, we feel
guilty about our past actions,
1073
01:20:26,502 --> 01:20:27,776
Or something of that sort.
1074
01:20:27,836 --> 01:20:28,826
I'm not sure.
1075
01:21:25,991 --> 01:21:27,967
Woman: A
federal jury in Virginia
1076
01:21:28,027 --> 01:21:31,770
Has convicted former CIA officer
Jeffrey sterling of nine felony
1077
01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:33,772
Counts, including espionage.
1078
01:21:33,832 --> 01:21:35,840
Prosecutors accuse
sterling of leaking
1079
01:21:35,900 --> 01:21:38,309
Classified information
to journalists
1080
01:21:38,369 --> 01:21:40,311
James risen of new york times.
1081
01:21:40,371 --> 01:21:43,480
Supporters of sterling described
him as a whistleblower.
1082
01:21:43,540 --> 01:21:45,448
But prosecutors
claimed he leaked
1083
01:21:45,508 --> 01:21:48,584
The information to settle
a score with the agency.
1084
01:21:48,644 --> 01:21:50,552
Sterling is scheduled to
be sentenced in April.
1085
01:21:50,612 --> 01:21:54,682
He faces a maximum possible
sentence of decades in prison.
1086
01:24:36,508 --> 01:24:41,387
I was told that they forgave
me for the part I played
1087
01:24:41,447 --> 01:24:48,061
And what happened to
them and that's amazing.
1088
01:24:50,021 --> 01:24:53,097
And when you think about that
these people are considered,
1089
01:24:53,157 --> 01:25:00,070
You know, of military age,
terrorists, all of that,
1090
01:25:00,230 --> 01:25:01,760
You can see people's hearts.
1091
01:25:06,734 --> 01:25:10,712
I just want people to
know that not everybody is
1092
01:25:10,772 --> 01:25:13,581
A freaking terrorist,
and we need to just
1093
01:25:13,641 --> 01:25:15,516
Get out of that mindset.
1094
01:25:15,576 --> 01:25:18,018
And we need to see these
people as people, families,
1095
01:25:18,078 --> 01:25:20,053
Communities, brothers,
mothers, and sisters
1096
01:25:20,113 --> 01:25:22,488
Because that's who they are.
1097
01:25:22,548 --> 01:25:25,090
Imagine if this was
happening to us.
1098
01:25:25,150 --> 01:25:28,560
Imagine if our children were
walking outside of their door
1099
01:25:28,620 --> 01:25:32,096
And it was a sunny day, and they
were afraid because they didn't
1100
01:25:32,156 --> 01:25:34,932
Know if today was the
day that something
1101
01:25:34,992 --> 01:25:39,936
Was gonna fall out of the sky
and kill someone close to them.
1102
01:25:39,996 --> 01:25:40,996
How would we feel?
1103
01:25:47,035 --> 01:25:50,579
Daniel: I think as any activist
would be, I am primarily
1104
01:25:50,639 --> 01:25:53,748
Optimistic about the world,
you know, for all the cynicism,
1105
01:25:53,808 --> 01:25:56,016
And pessimism that
comes out of me.
1106
01:25:56,076 --> 01:25:57,851
I think that when
it really comes
1107
01:25:57,911 --> 01:26:01,821
Down to it you just have a-
you have a love for humanity.
1108
01:26:01,881 --> 01:26:03,956
A love for human
beings and one another,
1109
01:26:04,016 --> 01:26:08,694
That you believe that there
is the possibility of change
1110
01:26:08,754 --> 01:26:12,294
And that another world
is possible, as they say.
1111
01:26:19,596 --> 01:26:21,572
Heather: If I see an article
about the drone program
1112
01:26:21,632 --> 01:26:23,774
Or something and,
like, see how people
1113
01:26:23,834 --> 01:26:26,643
Talk about cold hearted
killers, things like that.
1114
01:26:26,703 --> 01:26:29,812
That was me, like,
that was my job.
1115
01:26:29,872 --> 01:26:33,549
Of course, like, it still is me,
that's- you are your history,
1116
01:26:33,609 --> 01:26:36,685
But if you have any
conscious at all, you know
1117
01:26:36,745 --> 01:26:38,186
That what you did was wrong.
1118
01:26:38,246 --> 01:26:41,189
And you know that for
the rest of your life
1119
01:26:41,249 --> 01:26:42,557
It's going to be that.
1120
01:26:42,617 --> 01:26:45,259
You can't undo what
he did, and you
1121
01:26:45,319 --> 01:26:47,261
Can't bring those people back.
1122
01:26:47,321 --> 01:26:49,951
So it's something
that you live with.
1123
01:27:02,767 --> 01:27:05,544
Lisa: We are in the
United States of America,
1124
01:27:05,604 --> 01:27:10,714
And we are participating
in an overseas war.
1125
01:27:10,774 --> 01:27:15,985
A war overseas, and we
have no connection to it
1126
01:27:16,045 --> 01:27:19,621
Other than wires, and keyboards.
1127
01:27:19,681 --> 01:27:25,726
Now if that doesn't scare
the crap out of you-
1128
01:27:25,786 --> 01:27:30,197
It does out of me-
because if that's
1129
01:27:30,257 --> 01:27:34,127
The only connection, why stop?
1129
01:27:35,305 --> 01:27:41,495
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