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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:09,676 --> 00:00:11,644 [STATIC] 4 00:00:14,647 --> 00:00:16,249 [INDISTINCT TALKING OVER RADIO] 5 00:00:18,118 --> 00:00:19,886 [TYPEWRITER CLACKING] 6 00:00:39,072 --> 00:00:42,042 Hello, my name is Danny Trejo, 7 00:00:42,075 --> 00:00:47,280 and the following is a deathbed confession of John Leroy Kelly 8 00:00:47,313 --> 00:00:52,085 about the escape from Alcatraz Island in 1962. 9 00:01:36,529 --> 00:01:40,166 ED O'ROSS: The greatest mysteries of the 20th century include 10 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,535 the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa, 11 00:01:44,237 --> 00:01:46,339 the JFK assassination... 12 00:01:51,211 --> 00:01:54,481 And the Alcatraz Prison escape. 13 00:01:58,384 --> 00:02:04,657 In 1962, three inmates escaped from Alcatraz Island Federal Penitentiary. 14 00:02:04,691 --> 00:02:07,627 This was thought to be impossible. 15 00:02:07,660 --> 00:02:12,999 Their bodies were never found, and they were never captured. 16 00:02:13,032 --> 00:02:15,735 Until recently, there was a one million dollar reward 17 00:02:15,768 --> 00:02:19,539 for information that led to the capture or discoveries of the bodies 18 00:02:19,572 --> 00:02:23,543 of Frank Morris, John Anglin, and Clarence Anglin, 19 00:02:23,576 --> 00:02:26,980 who escaped on June 11th 1962. 20 00:02:29,115 --> 00:02:31,918 No one knows if they drowned in the chilly waters 21 00:02:31,951 --> 00:02:33,786 of Alcatraz that night 22 00:02:33,820 --> 00:02:36,156 or truly made it off The Rock. 23 00:02:39,325 --> 00:02:42,395 Recently, a new document was uncovered. 24 00:02:42,428 --> 00:02:44,864 A deathbed confession of a low-level criminal 25 00:02:44,898 --> 00:02:46,900 claiming involvement in the escape, 26 00:02:46,933 --> 00:02:52,071 which sent Art Roderick, the head of the US Marshals, and his partner, Mike Earp, 27 00:02:52,105 --> 00:02:55,008 descendant of legendary lawman, Wyatt Earp, 28 00:02:55,041 --> 00:02:57,844 cross country with filmmaker Daniel Zirilli, 29 00:02:57,877 --> 00:03:02,582 to investigate the oldest open case in US Marshals' history. 30 00:03:02,615 --> 00:03:04,484 [TYPEWRITER CLACKING] 31 00:03:13,193 --> 00:03:17,664 KELLY: I really don't know how to start this except to just tell it. 32 00:03:17,697 --> 00:03:20,733 I guess you could say I'm a very famous person. 33 00:03:22,101 --> 00:03:24,137 It's just that no one knows who I am. 34 00:03:26,039 --> 00:03:27,674 Or what I did. 35 00:03:35,315 --> 00:03:38,718 I, along with a man named Robert Michael Kyle, 36 00:03:38,751 --> 00:03:42,222 helped to pull off one of the most famous prison escapes 37 00:03:42,255 --> 00:03:43,957 in the United States' history. 38 00:03:47,794 --> 00:03:50,196 ED O'ROSS: There was a lot of people involved 39 00:03:50,230 --> 00:03:52,765 in the escape from Alcatraz Prison. 40 00:03:56,035 --> 00:03:59,138 I know for a fact that high-ranking guards 41 00:03:59,172 --> 00:04:02,342 were paid for their part in the escape. 42 00:04:02,375 --> 00:04:05,578 I believe, from what the convicts told us, 43 00:04:05,612 --> 00:04:09,716 that the prison officials had to know or strongly suspect 44 00:04:09,749 --> 00:04:13,319 that guards at the prison took part in this escape. 45 00:04:13,353 --> 00:04:16,623 On Monday, June 11th, with Robert at the wheel, 46 00:04:16,656 --> 00:04:24,097 we picked up escaped inmates, Frank Lee Morris, John Anglin, and Clarence Anglin. 47 00:04:24,130 --> 00:04:26,532 We took them north to Seattle on the boat. 48 00:04:28,768 --> 00:04:33,106 In the first two or three years after the prison escape, 49 00:04:33,139 --> 00:04:37,043 my Uncle Donald, the one that got me involved in the escape, 50 00:04:37,076 --> 00:04:42,415 said that the convicts' family members called him, wanting to know what happened. 51 00:04:44,717 --> 00:04:47,320 I always told my Uncle Donald 52 00:04:47,353 --> 00:04:50,423 that me and Robert left the convicts in Canada 53 00:04:52,692 --> 00:04:54,727 and never saw them again. 54 00:04:59,499 --> 00:05:02,235 I don't think he really ever believed me. 55 00:05:08,174 --> 00:05:10,043 Please forgive me for what I did. 56 00:05:19,085 --> 00:05:21,487 NEWS REPORTER: A spoon proves mightier than the bars 57 00:05:21,521 --> 00:05:24,757 at supposedly escape-proof Alcatraz Prison. 58 00:05:24,791 --> 00:05:26,993 Three bank robbers, serving long terms, 59 00:05:27,026 --> 00:05:31,030 scratched their way through grills covering an air vent, climbed a drainage pipe, 60 00:05:31,064 --> 00:05:34,767 and disappeared from the forbidding rock in San Francisco Bay. 61 00:05:34,801 --> 00:05:37,103 It appears to be the first successful escape 62 00:05:37,136 --> 00:05:39,939 in the history of the maximum security prison. 63 00:05:39,972 --> 00:05:42,809 And the flight is attributed by warden Olin Blackwell 64 00:05:42,842 --> 00:05:45,345 to the deteriorating condition of the prison, 65 00:05:45,378 --> 00:05:47,613 crumbling concrete and eroding metals 66 00:05:47,647 --> 00:05:50,083 with five million needed for repairs. 67 00:05:50,116 --> 00:05:52,185 [DRAMATIC INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC PLAYING] 68 00:05:53,653 --> 00:05:55,221 The men the walls couldn't hold 69 00:05:55,254 --> 00:05:58,558 are Frank Morris and John and Clarence Anglin. 70 00:05:58,591 --> 00:06:03,062 Authorities believe that Morris, who has a superior IQ, masterminded the escape. 71 00:06:03,096 --> 00:06:06,566 Ironically, the wanted posters offer only the nominal reward 72 00:06:06,599 --> 00:06:10,269 of 50 dollars each for information leading to the arrest of the prisoners. 73 00:06:13,172 --> 00:06:15,908 They painstakingly fashioned dummies of plaster 74 00:06:15,942 --> 00:06:18,845 with hair of paintbrush bristles to stand in for them 75 00:06:18,878 --> 00:06:20,146 during cell check 76 00:06:20,179 --> 00:06:23,616 while they covered an escape hole with a cardboard grill. 77 00:06:23,649 --> 00:06:28,020 All of this was within easy visual range of the guards in the gun galleries. 78 00:06:32,258 --> 00:06:34,961 They climbed drainpipes to the top of the cell block 79 00:06:34,994 --> 00:06:36,763 and then slid down vents to the ground. 80 00:06:36,796 --> 00:06:39,432 Again, all of this within sight of guards. 81 00:06:39,465 --> 00:06:42,902 The escape triggered the greatest manhunt in San Francisco's history 82 00:06:42,935 --> 00:06:46,272 as agents of the FBI, Coast Guardsmen, highway patrol, 83 00:06:46,305 --> 00:06:49,609 sheriff's deputies, and local police joined in the search. 84 00:06:49,642 --> 00:06:53,045 Whatever their fate, the three convicts have apparently accomplished a feat 85 00:06:53,079 --> 00:06:55,748 that many have tried with no success. 86 00:06:59,552 --> 00:07:01,888 O'ROSS: For most, the name Alcatraz 87 00:07:01,921 --> 00:07:06,492 evokes images of iron bars, hard concrete 88 00:07:06,526 --> 00:07:08,161 and brutal guards. 89 00:07:09,529 --> 00:07:11,998 A purgatory for anyone trapped inside. 90 00:07:16,302 --> 00:07:18,805 Although this is what Alcatraz became, 91 00:07:18,838 --> 00:07:23,876 it started as something very different. 92 00:07:23,910 --> 00:07:29,649 Isla de los Alcatraces, or Pelican Island, was first surveyed in 1847. 93 00:07:31,984 --> 00:07:34,720 Devoid of any real natural resources, 94 00:07:34,754 --> 00:07:36,989 and only one or two landable beaches, 95 00:07:37,023 --> 00:07:41,527 it seemed an unlikely asset to the newly acquired Republic of California. 96 00:07:44,430 --> 00:07:48,501 The US Army, however, quickly saw the value of the barren rock. 97 00:07:50,503 --> 00:07:54,307 Sitting at the heart of the bay, the island was seen as an ideal location 98 00:07:54,340 --> 00:07:56,375 for artillery batteries that could protect 99 00:07:56,409 --> 00:08:00,079 the recently renamed hamlet of San Francisco. 100 00:08:00,112 --> 00:08:04,817 In 1853, construction began on Camp Alcatraz. 101 00:08:04,851 --> 00:08:06,953 Completed in 1859, 102 00:08:06,986 --> 00:08:10,056 the island became the first permanent harbor fortification 103 00:08:10,089 --> 00:08:12,525 on the United States West Coast. 104 00:08:12,558 --> 00:08:15,027 Declaration of civil war in 1861 105 00:08:15,061 --> 00:08:18,898 left California fighting on the side of the northern States. 106 00:08:18,931 --> 00:08:22,869 Three hundred Union soldiers were stationed at Fort Alcatraz 107 00:08:22,902 --> 00:08:28,074 to fend off any possible Confederate assault on the San Francisco Bay. 108 00:08:28,107 --> 00:08:32,245 These soldiers waited for an attack that never came. 109 00:08:32,278 --> 00:08:36,482 Never once did the canons of Alcatraz fire on an enemy. 110 00:08:36,516 --> 00:08:39,652 The camp did, however, find its use during the war. 111 00:08:39,685 --> 00:08:41,821 It began serving as a military prison 112 00:08:41,854 --> 00:08:45,658 for captured Confederate soldiers and sympathizers. 113 00:08:45,691 --> 00:08:50,363 It continued to operate as both fort and military prison for another 40 years. 114 00:08:51,998 --> 00:08:54,133 In 1900, it was decided 115 00:08:54,166 --> 00:08:56,869 that the fort would resign all defensive duties 116 00:08:56,903 --> 00:08:59,438 and would operate solely as an army prison. 117 00:08:59,472 --> 00:09:04,744 Over the next 30 years, the inmates at Pacific branch US Military Prison Alcatraz 118 00:09:04,777 --> 00:09:07,246 transformed The Rock, as they called it, 119 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,349 into the world's largest and most modern prison. 120 00:09:12,952 --> 00:09:17,490 Finally, in 1934, the war department said goodbye to Alcatraz 121 00:09:17,523 --> 00:09:20,760 and handed the island over to the Department of Justice 122 00:09:20,793 --> 00:09:24,263 where it remained until its closure in 1963. 123 00:09:27,099 --> 00:09:32,171 This is the era that the island prison is most famous for. 124 00:09:32,204 --> 00:09:36,142 The worst of the worst of all maximum security prisons. 125 00:09:36,175 --> 00:09:39,946 The most difficult time that any inmate could do. 126 00:09:39,979 --> 00:09:44,317 Alcatraz Island Federal Penitentiary. 127 00:09:44,350 --> 00:09:47,453 In its almost 30 years as an operational facility, 128 00:09:47,486 --> 00:09:51,991 Alcatraz was home to the nation's most dangerous and notorious criminals. 129 00:09:52,024 --> 00:09:55,127 Gangsters like Chicago crime boss Al Capone 130 00:09:55,161 --> 00:09:58,064 and Los Angeles based mafioso Mickey Cohen 131 00:09:58,097 --> 00:10:01,767 both found themselves locked inside the walls of The Rock. 132 00:10:01,801 --> 00:10:05,671 Other most wanted criminals like Machine Gun Kelly and Doc Barker 133 00:10:05,705 --> 00:10:09,342 were also sent to Alcatraz. 134 00:10:09,375 --> 00:10:12,845 A veritable laundry list of the nation's most famous criminals 135 00:10:12,878 --> 00:10:15,915 declared residence on The Rock at one time or another. 136 00:10:24,357 --> 00:10:26,892 Given the miserable conditions at Alcatraz, 137 00:10:26,926 --> 00:10:29,562 combined with the nature of its inmates, 138 00:10:29,595 --> 00:10:33,265 it was inevitable that there would be escape attempts. 139 00:10:33,299 --> 00:10:36,669 However, in its 29 years of operation, 140 00:10:36,702 --> 00:10:41,340 Alcatraz claims that no prisoner ever successfully escaped. 141 00:10:46,078 --> 00:10:49,048 ZIRILLI: This is the Alcatraz prison escape statement. 142 00:10:49,081 --> 00:10:52,351 And I faxed it to both the FBI and the US Marshals, 143 00:10:52,385 --> 00:10:55,688 and they deemed it credible enough for follow-up. 144 00:10:55,721 --> 00:10:58,958 So two US Marshals and a tracker and myself 145 00:10:58,991 --> 00:11:00,793 are actively looking for the site 146 00:11:00,826 --> 00:11:02,361 that's mentioned in this statement. 147 00:11:03,663 --> 00:11:06,165 [TYPEWRITER CLACKING] 148 00:11:09,568 --> 00:11:14,607 NURSE: I am typing this statement for my good friend and patient John Leroy Kelly 149 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,876 who was born near Greenville, Mississippi, 150 00:11:16,909 --> 00:11:19,812 on or about September 3rd, 1944. 151 00:11:21,881 --> 00:11:24,850 He says that he does not have a birth certificate on file, 152 00:11:24,884 --> 00:11:27,687 and he never learned to write much more than his name 153 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,089 and states that he cannot read at all. 154 00:11:31,991 --> 00:11:36,228 John has asked me not to release this to anyone until he is dead. 155 00:11:36,262 --> 00:11:38,597 He is afraid of going to jail or prison 156 00:11:38,631 --> 00:11:43,602 for the part he played in the 1962 Alcatraz prison escape 157 00:11:43,636 --> 00:11:48,107 of Frank Morris, Clarence Anglin, and John Anglin. 158 00:11:59,952 --> 00:12:02,121 EARP: When we get in these type leads, 159 00:12:02,154 --> 00:12:06,859 we love to say... You know, we can't say, "Okay, this is it, it's a home run." 160 00:12:06,892 --> 00:12:10,029 "Is this possible?" And this was possible. 161 00:12:10,062 --> 00:12:11,764 So that's why we're here. 162 00:12:11,797 --> 00:12:15,067 We weren't involved... The Marshal Service as an agency 163 00:12:15,101 --> 00:12:17,169 wasn't involved in this case. 164 00:12:17,203 --> 00:12:18,504 ZIRILLI: For 18 years. 165 00:12:18,537 --> 00:12:21,941 Right, right. We didn't get it till 1979. 166 00:12:21,974 --> 00:12:24,777 '80, I think. '80, 1981. 167 00:12:24,810 --> 00:12:29,248 When the Attorney General made the Marshal Service responsible 168 00:12:29,281 --> 00:12:31,984 for what they call the escape and rescue statutes, 169 00:12:32,017 --> 00:12:35,588 which are the federal statutes that an individual's charged with 170 00:12:35,621 --> 00:12:39,225 for escape or aiding and abetting an escape and all that. 171 00:12:39,258 --> 00:12:42,328 So that...that case came over to us, 172 00:12:42,361 --> 00:12:44,930 uh, when the Attorney General gave us that authority. 173 00:12:44,964 --> 00:12:47,767 More or less moved it from the FBI to us. 174 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:53,139 So we have...we didn't go back and, like, try and recreate the investigation. 175 00:12:53,172 --> 00:12:54,673 Because, let me tell you, the Bureau... 176 00:12:54,707 --> 00:12:56,242 Seventeen hundred pages... 177 00:12:56,275 --> 00:12:58,043 They did a lot of stuff. Right. 178 00:12:58,077 --> 00:13:00,513 I mean, surveillances, interviewed family members. 179 00:13:00,546 --> 00:13:02,748 Year after year, they went back and... 180 00:13:02,782 --> 00:13:05,718 I mean, they did a perfect... a real good investigation. 181 00:13:06,952 --> 00:13:09,722 So we weren't going to go back and recreate that. 182 00:13:09,755 --> 00:13:12,558 Basically, what we've done up to this point is 183 00:13:12,591 --> 00:13:16,195 if something comes up, we'll follow the lead out till the end. 184 00:13:17,930 --> 00:13:21,700 O'ROSS: Thousands of people visit Alcatraz Island every year 185 00:13:21,734 --> 00:13:26,505 to see Al Capone's cell and hear about the Birdman of Alcatraz. 186 00:13:26,539 --> 00:13:30,543 They come to see how Frank Morris and the Anglin brothers escaped. 187 00:13:30,576 --> 00:13:33,579 What they hear are the tour-guided facts, 188 00:13:33,612 --> 00:13:36,982 a rehearsed and recited account based on speculation, 189 00:13:37,016 --> 00:13:40,186 as to how the escape actually happened. 190 00:13:40,219 --> 00:13:42,888 Never before has Alcatraz revealed everything 191 00:13:42,922 --> 00:13:48,460 that it knows and doesn't know about what happened that fateful night. 192 00:13:48,494 --> 00:13:50,462 ZIRILLI: So I just got off the phone with Art. 193 00:13:50,496 --> 00:13:55,568 Apparently, Craig at the Ranger's Office at Alcatraz 194 00:13:55,601 --> 00:13:59,605 called to verify if Art was working with us on the Alcatraz statement. 195 00:13:59,638 --> 00:14:03,142 And Art told the guy to give them, Daniel and Neil, 196 00:14:03,175 --> 00:14:05,945 all access to everything they have on Alcatraz. 197 00:14:05,978 --> 00:14:09,481 When I talked to the US Marshal Service this morning, 198 00:14:09,515 --> 00:14:13,452 they indicated that this was the first time that Art's been on the case 199 00:14:13,485 --> 00:14:14,987 in 12 years, I believe he said, 200 00:14:15,020 --> 00:14:18,190 that they had anything really worth pursuing. 201 00:14:18,224 --> 00:14:21,727 They felt that it had enough possibilities 202 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:23,162 to dedicate some time to it. 203 00:14:25,798 --> 00:14:30,703 Alcatraz was designed and run as a maximum-security, minimum-privilege penitentiary. 204 00:14:30,736 --> 00:14:34,306 That meant our inmates received no tailor-made cigarettes, 205 00:14:34,340 --> 00:14:38,110 candy bars, chewing gum, soft drinks, radio, television, 206 00:14:38,143 --> 00:14:41,113 newspapers, paroles, or rehabilitation programs. 207 00:14:41,146 --> 00:14:43,549 That none of that was being sent here. 208 00:14:43,582 --> 00:14:46,185 In fact, none of our inmates were sent from a court. 209 00:14:46,218 --> 00:14:49,321 They were all sent from another prison having a problem. 210 00:14:49,355 --> 00:14:52,658 And someone told me from the prison they came from, the warden in the institution 211 00:14:52,691 --> 00:14:55,160 would have a picture of Alcatraz behind his desk, 212 00:14:55,194 --> 00:14:56,996 and he'd point to that picture and say, 213 00:14:57,029 --> 00:15:01,200 "If I see you one more time, that's it, you're going... You are going to Alcatraz." 214 00:15:01,233 --> 00:15:03,802 And you knew you were going to do some tough times. 215 00:15:03,836 --> 00:15:05,738 Now, you come and visit the island, 216 00:15:05,771 --> 00:15:07,706 you look out and see all these beautiful views. 217 00:15:07,740 --> 00:15:11,143 You see San Fransisco, the East Bay, Marin County. 218 00:15:11,176 --> 00:15:13,445 You say, "Gee, that's not so bad." 219 00:15:13,479 --> 00:15:16,548 But how'd you like to have water held out to you and you can't drink it? 220 00:15:16,582 --> 00:15:20,119 You know, it's a city so close and yet so far. 221 00:15:23,289 --> 00:15:25,357 ZIRILLI: Is there any way you think they made it? 222 00:15:25,391 --> 00:15:27,893 Ah, at first, I would have said yes, 223 00:15:27,927 --> 00:15:33,032 but since they haven't showed up in all these years, I doubt it, no. 224 00:15:33,065 --> 00:15:35,768 Given the bay and the tide conditions that night 225 00:15:35,801 --> 00:15:40,539 and what physical evidence was discovered over the next couple days by the FBI, 226 00:15:40,572 --> 00:15:42,841 most of the staff on the island have been of the opinion 227 00:15:42,875 --> 00:15:45,077 that they probably didn't survive the swim. 228 00:15:45,110 --> 00:15:47,346 I don't think there's been any trace of them found. 229 00:15:47,379 --> 00:15:48,948 Which in a way is kind of unusual 230 00:15:48,981 --> 00:15:52,518 because bodies do turn up in the bay here mostly when somebody drowns, 231 00:15:52,551 --> 00:15:54,920 they'll find pieces of them, they'll find parts of their clothes. 232 00:15:54,954 --> 00:15:58,490 It's 50 degrees out there or about 10 to 12 Celsius. 233 00:15:58,524 --> 00:15:59,892 It's very cold. 234 00:15:59,925 --> 00:16:03,729 Although 400 people a year swim from Alcatraz to San Francisco, 235 00:16:03,762 --> 00:16:07,166 in at least two, maybe three, swims a year. 236 00:16:07,199 --> 00:16:09,034 Most people can't handle it. 237 00:16:09,068 --> 00:16:11,603 If you can't do it in 35 or 40 minutes, 238 00:16:11,637 --> 00:16:14,340 um, you know, you're gonna be in trouble. 239 00:16:14,373 --> 00:16:15,841 So it can be done. 240 00:16:15,874 --> 00:16:18,410 It definitely can be done. It's done all the time. 241 00:16:18,444 --> 00:16:20,746 One of the stories that's most often been told 242 00:16:20,779 --> 00:16:22,781 was that they planned to steal a boat in Angel Island 243 00:16:22,815 --> 00:16:25,050 and given that that didn't happen, 244 00:16:25,084 --> 00:16:27,252 that sort of led to a general belief 245 00:16:27,286 --> 00:16:29,488 that the chances are that they didn't make it. 246 00:16:29,521 --> 00:16:31,957 However, we know of many swims, 247 00:16:31,991 --> 00:16:34,626 organized swims, that do that bay every year, 248 00:16:34,660 --> 00:16:37,129 so we always sort of leave the story with an open end 249 00:16:37,162 --> 00:16:41,266 that, well, one never knows, after all, they were pretty highly motivated. 250 00:16:41,300 --> 00:16:44,503 You know, the point that they left their cells that night, 251 00:16:44,536 --> 00:16:48,173 at that point, they were escaped convicts, they had nothing left to lose. 252 00:16:48,207 --> 00:16:49,575 Once a federal inmate escapes from prison, 253 00:16:49,608 --> 00:16:51,510 that becomes an FBI case apparently. 254 00:16:51,543 --> 00:16:53,746 You know, it comes under their jurisdiction. 255 00:16:53,779 --> 00:16:55,547 However, as a fugitive from justice, 256 00:16:55,581 --> 00:16:59,318 the US Marshal Service has jurisdiction too. 257 00:16:59,351 --> 00:17:03,022 The Bureau of Prisons would still of course, you know, potentially be involved in this. 258 00:17:03,055 --> 00:17:05,991 In the sense, they are fugitives from the Bureau of Prisons. 259 00:17:06,025 --> 00:17:08,227 They would still have time on their original sentences. 260 00:17:08,260 --> 00:17:10,295 There's no statute of limitations. 261 00:17:10,329 --> 00:17:14,466 So there's various law enforcement agencies should evidence pan out, 262 00:17:14,500 --> 00:17:17,202 and there'd be more to the story that we now know. 263 00:17:17,236 --> 00:17:19,304 There'd be several federal agencies ultimately 264 00:17:19,338 --> 00:17:21,306 that will probably be interested in it. 265 00:17:21,340 --> 00:17:23,575 If you talk to any of the former prisoners, 266 00:17:23,609 --> 00:17:26,478 they'll, of course, all of them say they got away. 267 00:17:26,512 --> 00:17:28,247 And if you talk to the former guards, 268 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:32,651 they'll all of them say they're dead, they drowned at sea. 269 00:17:32,684 --> 00:17:35,687 But they're still on the wanted list of the FBI 270 00:17:35,721 --> 00:17:38,157 and so they're not gonna give up until there's some proof 271 00:17:38,190 --> 00:17:40,459 that they actually died. 272 00:17:40,492 --> 00:17:42,194 ZIRILLI: Is there any way you think they made it? 273 00:17:42,227 --> 00:17:43,295 Absolutely. 274 00:17:43,328 --> 00:17:44,396 Really? 275 00:17:44,430 --> 00:17:47,966 Yeah, I helped them with some tools to do that, 276 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,237 and I know John and Clarence swam before they could walk. 277 00:17:52,271 --> 00:17:54,973 They were born and raised in the Everglades, so... 278 00:17:55,007 --> 00:17:57,776 I... Personally, I think they made it. 279 00:18:00,112 --> 00:18:02,648 [TYPEWRITER CLACKING] 280 00:18:02,681 --> 00:18:05,551 NURSE: John has told me that he and a friend 281 00:18:05,584 --> 00:18:10,022 helped the three convicts to escape from Alcatraz Federal Prison 282 00:18:10,055 --> 00:18:11,857 in San Francisco. 283 00:18:16,728 --> 00:18:20,132 KELLY: At 11:15 p.m. on Monday June 11th, 284 00:18:20,165 --> 00:18:23,702 Robert and I were in a boat off Alcatraz Island Prison. 285 00:18:24,937 --> 00:18:27,106 At approximately 10 minutes to midnight, 286 00:18:27,139 --> 00:18:31,743 we moved to the area just outside the city marina. 287 00:18:31,777 --> 00:18:35,781 At about midnight, I heard splashes in the water. 288 00:18:35,814 --> 00:18:40,419 They were lying across a homemade life raft. 289 00:18:40,452 --> 00:18:46,692 We picked up escaped inmates Frank Lee Morris, John Anglin, and Clarence Anglin. 290 00:18:48,627 --> 00:18:52,498 I remember one of the men, Frank Morris, laughed 291 00:18:52,531 --> 00:18:54,867 and asked if we were their ride. 292 00:18:55,968 --> 00:18:59,371 Robert asked where was the other two. 293 00:18:59,404 --> 00:19:01,406 Frank Morris said they were it. 294 00:19:06,678 --> 00:19:09,515 We took them north of Seattle on the boat. 295 00:19:23,462 --> 00:19:25,397 When we got back to Bellingham, 296 00:19:25,430 --> 00:19:29,668 we had the three convicts get into the back of the truck that we used for painting 297 00:19:29,701 --> 00:19:31,470 and had them lie down in the back. 298 00:19:43,582 --> 00:19:45,517 [INDISTINCT CHATTER] 299 00:19:45,551 --> 00:19:46,852 [GATE CLANKS SHUT] 300 00:19:50,222 --> 00:19:53,692 GLASSNER: Alcatraz had a reputation, I think it was 301 00:19:53,725 --> 00:19:57,196 to a large degree deserved of being run more by the book than any other facility. 302 00:19:57,229 --> 00:20:00,532 It was part of the reason they created Alcatraz in 1934 303 00:20:00,566 --> 00:20:03,569 because of problems that did exist in other federal prisons. 304 00:20:03,602 --> 00:20:08,173 But there are certainly stories of pay-off. 305 00:20:08,207 --> 00:20:11,543 I mean, at a low level, there were guards that broke some of the rules, 306 00:20:11,577 --> 00:20:14,513 inconsequential rules like you're not allowed to have candy. 307 00:20:14,546 --> 00:20:16,181 There was no commissary to buy candy on the island. 308 00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:18,183 Yet, there was a correctional officer that worked in the shop 309 00:20:18,217 --> 00:20:20,452 that would sometimes slip an inmate a piece of candy 310 00:20:20,485 --> 00:20:23,488 if they'd done a particularly good job on the line. 311 00:20:23,522 --> 00:20:25,624 One day, one of these inmates got caught with that candy 312 00:20:25,657 --> 00:20:27,793 and rather than turning the guard in, 313 00:20:27,826 --> 00:20:32,564 he did 19 days in solitary, I guess it may have been a bit more. 314 00:20:32,598 --> 00:20:34,666 Punishment for refusing to inform... 315 00:20:34,700 --> 00:20:36,969 'Cause they knew this had to come from the correctional staff. 316 00:20:37,002 --> 00:20:40,572 We know of, again, religious staff on the island 317 00:20:40,606 --> 00:20:41,907 that came out here, 318 00:20:41,940 --> 00:20:45,644 in at least one case, smuggling letters off the island 319 00:20:45,677 --> 00:20:47,746 because they felt the inmates had more of a right 320 00:20:47,779 --> 00:20:51,416 to private correspondence with their lawyers than what the law allowed at that time. 321 00:20:51,450 --> 00:20:54,253 ZIRILLI: Craig, one of the ranger sheriff, said that 322 00:20:54,286 --> 00:20:55,954 the religious staff sometimes thought 323 00:20:55,988 --> 00:20:58,357 that conditions were a little tough 324 00:20:58,390 --> 00:21:02,561 and that sometimes priests or the religious staff 325 00:21:02,594 --> 00:21:04,663 would help give information and letters, 326 00:21:04,696 --> 00:21:07,332 bring letters to the families and such. 327 00:21:07,366 --> 00:21:08,800 Do you know anything about that? 328 00:21:08,834 --> 00:21:13,905 No, I would say that the religious staff, as I understood it, 329 00:21:13,939 --> 00:21:16,308 and certainly myself as a part of the religious staff 330 00:21:16,341 --> 00:21:19,177 and a priest, the priest that I worked with coming out here 331 00:21:19,211 --> 00:21:21,613 were scrupulous about that. 332 00:21:21,647 --> 00:21:24,082 We were instructed in a number of ways 333 00:21:24,116 --> 00:21:26,752 that we're never to take any contraband in or out. 334 00:21:26,785 --> 00:21:29,621 And also, there was a no-hostage policy. 335 00:21:29,655 --> 00:21:33,158 So when we went down into the yard to walk around and talk with them down there, 336 00:21:33,191 --> 00:21:36,228 we knew that if they ever grabbed us and captured us in any way at all, 337 00:21:36,261 --> 00:21:38,330 the guards on the towers would start shooting. 338 00:21:38,363 --> 00:21:40,732 And so you kinda took your life in your hands 339 00:21:40,766 --> 00:21:42,834 if you ever did go down in there. 340 00:21:42,868 --> 00:21:45,304 But I never ever felt insecure around the prisoners. 341 00:21:45,337 --> 00:21:47,606 They were always extremely kind to me 342 00:21:47,639 --> 00:21:49,741 and also very respectful of me. 343 00:21:49,775 --> 00:21:51,243 And I think part of it had to do with the fact 344 00:21:51,276 --> 00:21:53,512 that we were able to get in here from the outside. 345 00:21:53,545 --> 00:21:55,914 Very, very few people including their wives and children 346 00:21:55,947 --> 00:21:58,917 couldn't get into this prison. They talked to 'em through those walls, you know, 347 00:21:58,950 --> 00:22:03,221 with those two-inch thick glass windows and through telephone. 348 00:22:03,255 --> 00:22:04,790 And we would actually walk in here. 349 00:22:04,823 --> 00:22:06,425 We could touch them, they could touch us. 350 00:22:06,458 --> 00:22:09,261 They could ask us questions. We would tell them about the outside world. 351 00:22:09,294 --> 00:22:10,929 And so we were kind of a breath... 352 00:22:10,962 --> 00:22:16,168 I was and chaplain service people were a kind of a breath of fresh air for them 353 00:22:16,201 --> 00:22:18,704 and a kind of a bright spot in their life. 354 00:22:18,737 --> 00:22:21,273 They were not about to hurt us or take us hostage. 355 00:22:21,306 --> 00:22:23,742 I never had any experience like that. 356 00:22:23,775 --> 00:22:27,679 And I also never heard of any chaplain ever taking contraband in or out. 357 00:22:27,713 --> 00:22:30,615 Sometimes, we took messages in the sense that, uh... 358 00:22:30,649 --> 00:22:32,818 They'd say, "Well, say hello to my wife" or somebody 359 00:22:32,851 --> 00:22:36,121 if you knew the person, but you'd just say hello, that was all. 360 00:22:36,154 --> 00:22:38,023 ZIRILLI: Apparently, there was a woman on the outside 361 00:22:38,056 --> 00:22:40,459 that was helping make arrangements for their escape. 362 00:22:40,492 --> 00:22:42,394 Well, that's what they said. 363 00:22:47,933 --> 00:22:51,636 KELLY: My uncle, Donald Leroy Robertson, 364 00:22:51,670 --> 00:22:55,907 is the one that got me involved in the Alcatraz Prison Escape. 365 00:22:55,941 --> 00:22:59,177 He had been a driver for several big-time bank robbers 366 00:22:59,211 --> 00:23:03,749 at one time or another in the 1930s and 1940s, 367 00:23:03,782 --> 00:23:05,751 and he knew Frank Lee Morris. 368 00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:10,622 In October of 1961, 369 00:23:10,655 --> 00:23:14,126 my Uncle Donald had me go to San Francisco 370 00:23:14,159 --> 00:23:17,462 to meet a woman named Eugena McGowen 371 00:23:17,496 --> 00:23:22,968 in St. Anthony's Catholic Church in the San Francisco Tenderloin District. 372 00:23:23,001 --> 00:23:24,970 That day changed my life forever. 373 00:23:25,003 --> 00:23:30,642 Many times over the years, I have wished that I had not went to that meeting. 374 00:23:30,675 --> 00:23:32,444 She told me that day 375 00:23:32,477 --> 00:23:35,747 that five convicts were going to escape from Alcatraz 376 00:23:35,781 --> 00:23:38,583 and that she needed me to provide a boat 377 00:23:38,617 --> 00:23:40,719 to pick them up and take them to safety. 378 00:23:42,788 --> 00:23:44,856 She told me that the convicts' families 379 00:23:44,890 --> 00:23:48,226 had come up with over $60,000 to help them escape, 380 00:23:48,260 --> 00:23:52,764 and that six guards at Alcatraz Prison were receiving payoffs 381 00:23:52,798 --> 00:23:56,001 to look the other way or to help the convicts. 382 00:23:56,034 --> 00:23:58,804 She said that she was telling me all of this 383 00:23:58,837 --> 00:24:00,806 so I and my partner Robert 384 00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:05,177 would know that the escape would be able to happen without any problems. 385 00:24:08,213 --> 00:24:12,818 She gave me 5,000 cash in 20s in an envelope that day, 386 00:24:12,851 --> 00:24:15,253 and she was to give me another 5,000 387 00:24:15,287 --> 00:24:20,058 when she found out the exact night the convicts would be able to get out. 388 00:24:21,893 --> 00:24:23,962 Eugena never knew it, 389 00:24:23,995 --> 00:24:25,964 but she had sealed the convicts' fate 390 00:24:25,997 --> 00:24:29,968 when she told me that the convicts would be picking up $50,000. 391 00:24:31,570 --> 00:24:34,339 Robert was obsessed with trying to figure out some way 392 00:24:34,372 --> 00:24:37,175 to separate the convicts from the $50,000 393 00:24:37,209 --> 00:24:38,844 when we got them back to Seattle. 394 00:24:41,513 --> 00:24:45,450 I can't believe now that I went along with Robert's wild scheme. 395 00:24:51,857 --> 00:24:53,925 According to all the evidence available, 396 00:24:53,959 --> 00:24:56,761 most importantly, the FBI's investigation, 397 00:24:56,795 --> 00:25:01,066 the point at which the Anglin brothers and Frank Morris went into the bay 398 00:25:01,099 --> 00:25:04,369 is just around the corner from the point you see it from here. 399 00:25:04,402 --> 00:25:06,805 But their choice of location to go into the water 400 00:25:06,838 --> 00:25:10,408 would have been very important to take into account, this tower being here. 401 00:25:10,442 --> 00:25:14,746 Other towers were by and large at the back end and other side of the island. 402 00:25:14,779 --> 00:25:17,249 There used to be a tower on the roof of the cell house 403 00:25:17,282 --> 00:25:20,318 from which they made their escape from the building. 404 00:25:20,352 --> 00:25:25,590 That had been closed down due to budget cuts and staff shortages years earlier. 405 00:25:31,663 --> 00:25:33,765 GLASSNER: Here we have the cell house at the top of the island, 406 00:25:33,798 --> 00:25:37,636 originally constructed by the army when this was a military prison. 407 00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:42,440 The Anglins made their escape from an air vent approximately in this area. 408 00:25:42,474 --> 00:25:44,509 By all accounts, they made their way down here 409 00:25:44,543 --> 00:25:46,845 where they were able to slide down an exhaust vent 410 00:25:46,878 --> 00:25:49,748 from one of the kitchen stoves down below. 411 00:25:49,781 --> 00:25:53,184 This was the mess hall and food preparation area and the hospital. 412 00:25:57,956 --> 00:26:00,425 GLASSNER: Remember, as you look at the island, 413 00:26:00,458 --> 00:26:04,396 the plush vegetation all over the islands, they didn't exist back then. 414 00:26:04,429 --> 00:26:06,998 They didn't want a shrubbery this tall 415 00:26:07,032 --> 00:26:08,466 in the days that this was a prison, 416 00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:10,201 Everything was very low and trim. 417 00:26:10,235 --> 00:26:12,504 There were gardens, there were flowers, there were trees, 418 00:26:12,537 --> 00:26:16,608 Everything was trimmed in a way to prevent there from being places to hide. 419 00:26:16,641 --> 00:26:19,277 But certainly by this time, 420 00:26:19,311 --> 00:26:24,049 staffing shortages and budget cuts had an effect on security. 421 00:26:24,082 --> 00:26:26,451 The roof tower had been shut down completely. 422 00:26:26,484 --> 00:26:28,153 Had there been a tower on the roof... 423 00:26:28,186 --> 00:26:30,488 Had that still been there, this escape never could have happened. 424 00:26:30,522 --> 00:26:33,959 The road tower would have been the tower over on this side of the island, 425 00:26:33,992 --> 00:26:35,760 which according to all the physical evidence 426 00:26:35,794 --> 00:26:38,797 is the side of the island that the three left from that night. 427 00:26:38,830 --> 00:26:42,701 From the road tower, the view of the point that they went into the water 428 00:26:42,734 --> 00:26:44,369 would have been right around the corner. 429 00:26:46,171 --> 00:26:47,939 KELLY: On May 11th, I met Eugena 430 00:26:47,973 --> 00:26:50,175 in front of St. Anthony's Catholic Church. 431 00:27:05,056 --> 00:27:10,395 We walked to the waterfront, and we met a man in the shadows there. 432 00:27:10,428 --> 00:27:14,432 He showed me where the water was likely to carry the convicts on a raft to, 433 00:27:14,466 --> 00:27:19,437 and he told me to expect them just after midnight on June 11th. 434 00:27:19,471 --> 00:27:22,340 He told me that the convicts would run into no trouble 435 00:27:22,374 --> 00:27:24,275 because he was going to make sure 436 00:27:24,309 --> 00:27:27,078 that there was no guard in the road tower that night. 437 00:27:30,815 --> 00:27:34,285 He said that we should have till 8:00 a.m. at the earliest 438 00:27:34,319 --> 00:27:36,621 to get away before the alarm was sounded. 439 00:27:37,956 --> 00:27:41,559 Later on, I discovered that the man we met that night 440 00:27:41,593 --> 00:27:44,896 was Alcatraz Prison guard Captain Bradley. 441 00:27:44,929 --> 00:27:47,866 I'd always wondered how no one ever found out 442 00:27:47,899 --> 00:27:51,002 that something wasn't right at Alcatraz Prison that night. 443 00:27:52,937 --> 00:27:56,241 One thing that Morris figured was sure to get the guards caught 444 00:27:56,274 --> 00:27:59,778 was all the things that were hid on top of the cell house. 445 00:28:01,713 --> 00:28:08,186 He said that at least 50 to 60 raincoats were used to make the rafts. 446 00:28:08,219 --> 00:28:11,723 When two of the convicts didn't take part in the escape, 447 00:28:11,756 --> 00:28:16,161 one of the rafts was left on top of the cell house. 448 00:28:16,194 --> 00:28:20,331 Morris said that several guards, not just one or two, 449 00:28:20,365 --> 00:28:23,168 turned their heads or just didn't say anything 450 00:28:23,201 --> 00:28:27,906 about the things they had seen in the weeks leading up to the escape. 451 00:28:27,939 --> 00:28:30,775 Frank Morris told us that Captain Bradley 452 00:28:30,809 --> 00:28:33,244 had gone as far as to order blankets 453 00:28:33,278 --> 00:28:36,081 to be hung up over the top of the cell house 454 00:28:36,114 --> 00:28:40,585 to keep paint from falling into the cells and the floor below. 455 00:28:40,618 --> 00:28:43,188 But the real reason the blankets were put up there 456 00:28:43,221 --> 00:28:45,790 was to give the convicts unrestricted access 457 00:28:45,824 --> 00:28:48,326 to the rooftop of the cell house, 458 00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:51,563 and to allow the convicts to escape. 459 00:28:51,596 --> 00:28:54,065 I mean, ironically, even though everyone knew those blankets were there, 460 00:28:54,099 --> 00:28:56,234 it's not in the official Bureau of Prison's report. 461 00:28:56,267 --> 00:28:58,503 The fact that those blankets that were up there, 462 00:28:58,536 --> 00:29:01,740 blocking the guard's view of that area on the roof of the cell block, 463 00:29:01,773 --> 00:29:04,075 allowing them to make their escape that night... 464 00:29:04,109 --> 00:29:06,377 The fact that those were up there for months. 465 00:29:06,411 --> 00:29:08,947 Arguments amongst the guards who has authority 466 00:29:08,980 --> 00:29:10,849 to okay those blankets being there or not. 467 00:29:10,882 --> 00:29:12,917 But what it was is some of the guys planning the escape 468 00:29:12,951 --> 00:29:14,886 worked in the cell house, 469 00:29:14,919 --> 00:29:17,288 and they pointed out how badly that area 470 00:29:17,322 --> 00:29:18,490 where there were some utility pipes 471 00:29:18,523 --> 00:29:19,991 between the top of the cell block 472 00:29:20,024 --> 00:29:23,228 and the actual roof of the building, there was a gap there by design. 473 00:29:23,261 --> 00:29:25,630 So each cell block is a building within the cell house, 474 00:29:25,663 --> 00:29:29,634 but no part of the cell block touches the exterior surface of the building. 475 00:29:29,667 --> 00:29:32,504 Well, they needed some way to work up there to get through the air vents 476 00:29:32,537 --> 00:29:35,073 and so they said, "Well, we need to paint this area." 477 00:29:35,106 --> 00:29:38,276 But with all the dust and debris and paint chips that are gonna be flying around, 478 00:29:38,309 --> 00:29:41,246 "Gee, can we get some blankets from the army supply 479 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:43,181 "that we wash out here and hang them up 480 00:29:43,214 --> 00:29:44,816 "to contain all the dirt and debris." 481 00:29:44,849 --> 00:29:46,684 One correctional officer said, "No way." 482 00:29:46,718 --> 00:29:48,887 The other one pulled rank and said, "No, you're gonna have it. 483 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,356 "We don't want all that stuff floating around the cell house and people, 484 00:29:51,389 --> 00:29:54,893 "you know, being... getting eye irritations from this," and stuff. 485 00:29:54,926 --> 00:29:56,528 "So go ahead and do this." 486 00:29:56,561 --> 00:29:59,330 ZIRILLI: How many people do you think knew about the planning of the escape? 487 00:29:59,364 --> 00:30:01,900 Everybody. Everybody but the guards. 488 00:30:03,368 --> 00:30:06,037 One of the inmates that was in the cell house at the time 489 00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:08,072 that was marginally involved in the plan... 490 00:30:09,107 --> 00:30:11,476 He, the night of the escape... 491 00:30:11,509 --> 00:30:13,178 And this is fairly well documented. 492 00:30:13,211 --> 00:30:16,581 Some tools or other implements were dropped down through the utility corridor, 493 00:30:16,614 --> 00:30:21,119 bounced off some of the water or sewage pipes that were back in the area. 494 00:30:21,152 --> 00:30:25,089 What surprised him was the lack of response. 495 00:30:25,123 --> 00:30:28,193 I mean, these guys were climbing up and down the pipes every night, 496 00:30:28,226 --> 00:30:30,395 in the backs of other guys' cells, 497 00:30:30,428 --> 00:30:34,799 and so they had to make all kinds of arrangements with these people 498 00:30:34,833 --> 00:30:36,701 because there was a group of black prisoners 499 00:30:36,734 --> 00:30:38,203 and these were all white guys. 500 00:30:38,236 --> 00:30:40,905 And they had to climb... And they were white Southern prisoners too. 501 00:30:40,939 --> 00:30:44,509 And they were climbing up the back of these black guys' cells to get up on the roof. 502 00:30:44,542 --> 00:30:47,245 Well, it didn't take them very long to figure out what was going on, 503 00:30:47,278 --> 00:30:49,781 and so they had to make some compromises and deals 504 00:30:49,814 --> 00:30:51,216 with the other prisoners around here. 505 00:30:51,249 --> 00:30:54,018 So word kinda got around and got around and got around. 506 00:30:54,052 --> 00:30:56,754 I must say I was surprised, believe it or not, 507 00:30:56,788 --> 00:30:58,723 I was surprised that I didn't know anything about it. 508 00:31:13,805 --> 00:31:16,040 KELLY: The real surprise of the trip 509 00:31:16,074 --> 00:31:18,877 came when we got back to my Uncle Donald's house. 510 00:31:27,518 --> 00:31:30,421 He was the one holding the hidden 50,000. 511 00:32:04,656 --> 00:32:07,926 We received our 10,000 more 512 00:32:07,959 --> 00:32:11,429 with my Uncle Donald getting 4,000 of the 40. 513 00:32:29,981 --> 00:32:33,918 We stayed at Uncle Donald's for over a week. 514 00:32:33,952 --> 00:32:35,987 Frank Morris and the Anglin brothers 515 00:32:36,020 --> 00:32:38,323 were sure the guards would be arrested 516 00:32:38,356 --> 00:32:41,559 and kept listening to the radio and watched the newspapers 517 00:32:41,592 --> 00:32:46,431 to see the story about the arrest of the guards, but it never happened. 518 00:32:46,464 --> 00:32:48,900 When they read the story in the newspapers 519 00:32:48,933 --> 00:32:52,337 that spoons had been used to dig out of the cells, 520 00:32:52,370 --> 00:32:54,272 they broke down laughing. 521 00:32:54,305 --> 00:32:56,507 They said that shortly before the escape, 522 00:32:56,541 --> 00:33:00,211 jackhammers were used to replace the toilets in the cells. 523 00:33:02,347 --> 00:33:04,816 The jackhammer was operated by Alan West, 524 00:33:04,849 --> 00:33:07,885 who they said had been assigned to prison maintenance 525 00:33:07,919 --> 00:33:10,755 since May of 1961. 526 00:33:10,788 --> 00:33:14,525 He was allowed to work in the space behind the cells alone 527 00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:17,261 because the guards didn't want to get dirty. 528 00:33:17,295 --> 00:33:18,696 While he was back there, 529 00:33:18,730 --> 00:33:22,266 he used the jackhammer to cut the air vent open. 530 00:33:22,300 --> 00:33:26,371 The three convicts said they would have never been able to get out 531 00:33:26,404 --> 00:33:29,941 if it hadn't been for Alan West with the jackhammer. 532 00:33:29,974 --> 00:33:34,479 Alan West is generally credited with being very involved in the plan 533 00:33:34,512 --> 00:33:36,514 and with the escape attempt. 534 00:33:36,547 --> 00:33:39,417 He... his statement to the FBI 535 00:33:39,450 --> 00:33:43,488 was the night of the escape, he had trouble opening up the fake air vent 536 00:33:43,521 --> 00:33:46,391 that they'd drilled in his cell and then trouble getting out. 537 00:33:46,424 --> 00:33:48,526 That's why he didn't escape that night. 538 00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:51,863 By the time he got out and went up to the roof, the other three were long gone. 539 00:33:51,896 --> 00:33:55,033 If you've ever been up there, it's interesting getting on top of the cell block 540 00:33:55,066 --> 00:33:56,768 and to take a look at what they actually did up there, 541 00:33:56,801 --> 00:33:58,336 which is phenomenal, 542 00:33:58,369 --> 00:34:01,672 when you see what they had to do under the scrutiny of the guards. 543 00:34:01,706 --> 00:34:04,575 We know other inmates that were here that aided and abetted 544 00:34:04,609 --> 00:34:06,511 in other ways in the escape plan. 545 00:34:06,544 --> 00:34:10,148 It was real obvious talking to inmates that were on the island at the time 546 00:34:10,181 --> 00:34:13,851 that there was a lot of people that were aware of what was going on 547 00:34:13,885 --> 00:34:15,420 and in various ways supporting them. 548 00:34:15,453 --> 00:34:18,056 June 12th, 1962, 549 00:34:18,089 --> 00:34:20,191 the escape had occurred the night before, 550 00:34:20,224 --> 00:34:21,459 but none of us knew it. 551 00:34:21,492 --> 00:34:24,729 Because the masks worked, the dummies worked. 552 00:34:24,762 --> 00:34:28,132 GLASSNER: You know, we know people that helped them getting the flesh tones right. 553 00:34:28,166 --> 00:34:30,568 And little rouge to make the cheeks look more realistic. 554 00:34:30,601 --> 00:34:32,303 Hair from the barber shop. 555 00:34:32,336 --> 00:34:33,938 Tools and implements from around. 556 00:34:33,971 --> 00:34:37,608 The material... I mean, it had to be a significant amount of fabric, 557 00:34:37,642 --> 00:34:40,378 raincoat material from their vests and their pontoons 558 00:34:40,411 --> 00:34:42,513 that they were using to build some sort of a raft. 559 00:34:42,547 --> 00:34:46,584 Out of those four men, Alan West was the most dangerous. 560 00:34:46,617 --> 00:34:48,553 He got the men out of there. 561 00:34:48,586 --> 00:34:51,255 If it wasn't for him, they'd have never gotten to the roof. 562 00:34:51,289 --> 00:34:55,860 Alan West is generally credited for being 563 00:34:55,893 --> 00:34:58,896 one of the main brains behind the escape. 564 00:34:58,930 --> 00:35:00,698 You know, others say other things too. 565 00:35:00,731 --> 00:35:03,067 But, you know, he certainly was involved... 566 00:35:03,101 --> 00:35:07,305 Certainly had an opportunity that night to be the fourth man... 567 00:35:07,338 --> 00:35:09,240 But he didn't go in the end. 568 00:35:10,374 --> 00:35:14,312 And people always wonder why. He was either... 569 00:35:14,345 --> 00:35:16,781 Either couldn't get out of his cell as he claimed 570 00:35:16,814 --> 00:35:18,282 or he chickened out, take your pick. 571 00:35:18,316 --> 00:35:20,017 I kinda thought about the idea 572 00:35:20,051 --> 00:35:23,554 that maybe he had decided this was a suicide attempt rather than an escape attempt, 573 00:35:23,588 --> 00:35:27,291 Didn't wanna say to the other guys that were very involved in this, 574 00:35:27,325 --> 00:35:29,227 "Hey, I don't think it's gonna work after all." 575 00:35:29,260 --> 00:35:31,762 And maybe just backed out and didn't try to get out that night 576 00:35:31,796 --> 00:35:33,464 knowing that they wouldn't wait for him. 577 00:35:33,498 --> 00:35:36,868 Whether or not that's true, I have no reason to know one way or the other, 578 00:35:36,901 --> 00:35:38,569 but that seemed like another possible scenario 579 00:35:38,603 --> 00:35:40,705 to why he was still in his cell that morning 580 00:35:40,738 --> 00:35:43,107 when the other three were long gone. 581 00:35:43,141 --> 00:35:44,742 ZIRILLI: What more could they get, 582 00:35:44,775 --> 00:35:47,845 just more time if they were caught trying to escape? 583 00:35:47,879 --> 00:35:50,681 What they would have had was probably some time in isolation 584 00:35:50,715 --> 00:35:52,717 in D Block at that time. 585 00:35:52,750 --> 00:35:57,155 And then certainly time could be added to their sentence for the escape attempt. 586 00:35:57,188 --> 00:36:01,058 ZIRILLI: Can you describe what D Block was like, if you were put in there. 587 00:36:01,092 --> 00:36:04,595 GLASSNER: Ironically, it had the best views of the cell house and larger cells, 588 00:36:04,629 --> 00:36:07,131 'cause it was the most recently renovated area. 589 00:36:07,165 --> 00:36:09,467 What made D Block tough was that good view 590 00:36:09,500 --> 00:36:12,136 because that was the view of freedom you didn't have. 591 00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:16,474 And the fact that you were locked in there 24 hours a day. 592 00:36:16,507 --> 00:36:19,443 It was a larger cell than the regular inmate cells 593 00:36:19,477 --> 00:36:23,314 because they were newly renovated in the 1940s. 594 00:36:23,347 --> 00:36:26,284 But you were on lock down, you know, 24 hours a day. 595 00:36:26,317 --> 00:36:28,619 You didn't have any of the privileges that... 596 00:36:28,653 --> 00:36:33,357 the mess hall, you know, any of the other privileges that the other inmates got, 597 00:36:33,391 --> 00:36:36,694 which were a lot less than other prisons. 598 00:36:36,727 --> 00:36:40,164 D Block was, you know, mentally, it was a tough time 599 00:36:40,198 --> 00:36:43,768 to spend 24 hours a day looking at the same three walls and a set of bars. 600 00:36:51,342 --> 00:36:54,145 KELLY: While we were at my Uncle Donald's, 601 00:36:54,178 --> 00:36:57,415 the three convicts told us that Clarence Carns 602 00:36:57,448 --> 00:36:59,684 had not been able to get out of his cell. 603 00:37:03,554 --> 00:37:06,691 And that Alan West had just flat chickened out. 604 00:37:08,693 --> 00:37:11,929 He told them he was going all along, 605 00:37:11,963 --> 00:37:16,434 then at the last minute, he told them that he was afraid of the water. 606 00:37:16,467 --> 00:37:20,371 He was also concerned that they would get in the water 607 00:37:20,404 --> 00:37:23,474 and there wouldn't be any boat out there. 608 00:37:26,277 --> 00:37:30,748 They didn't know it, but that made things a lot easier for us, 609 00:37:32,283 --> 00:37:36,254 the fact that there were three convicts, not five. 610 00:37:41,692 --> 00:37:45,596 NURSE: This week I arranged for a local priest to start counseling John 611 00:37:45,630 --> 00:37:47,498 and hear his confession. 612 00:37:47,531 --> 00:37:50,334 It seems to have improved his spirits greatly. 613 00:37:50,368 --> 00:37:52,870 I cannot sign this statement or give my name 614 00:37:52,903 --> 00:37:55,806 because I have broken patient confidentiality 615 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,343 by giving some of the information I have in this account. 616 00:37:59,377 --> 00:38:03,080 I could be fired from my job or lose my nurse's license. 617 00:38:03,114 --> 00:38:06,017 So for that reason, I must remain anonymous, 618 00:38:06,050 --> 00:38:08,219 but I will do my best after John's death 619 00:38:08,252 --> 00:38:13,691 to ensure that this statement and John's statement get into the right hands. 620 00:38:13,724 --> 00:38:15,926 Do you know if the nurse 621 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,163 that took the statement from John Kelly, 622 00:38:19,196 --> 00:38:21,299 if she took... 623 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,936 There's something in there that says "Put it in a safety deposit." 624 00:38:25,970 --> 00:38:27,672 ZIRILLI: I've got the original document. 625 00:38:27,705 --> 00:38:29,507 Is it handwritten or is it typed? It's typed. 626 00:38:29,540 --> 00:38:33,911 I know she says, "I typed," but I don't know if originally she took... 627 00:38:33,944 --> 00:38:37,515 She was trying to turn it over to John's sister, 628 00:38:37,548 --> 00:38:38,983 but she didn't want it. 629 00:38:39,016 --> 00:38:40,618 RODERICK: So she gave the whole thing up. 630 00:38:40,651 --> 00:38:43,154 Yeah, and I mean, it's weird for somebody to send me 631 00:38:43,187 --> 00:38:45,523 an original typed, typed or printed... 632 00:38:45,556 --> 00:38:47,258 I mean, it was the '80s, so there were computers. 633 00:38:47,291 --> 00:38:50,561 I mean, this is it. I mean, it feels like, you know... 634 00:38:50,594 --> 00:38:54,965 It's a Xerox. That's just a copy. An exact copy. 635 00:38:54,999 --> 00:38:59,837 This looks like a term paper. 636 00:38:59,870 --> 00:39:01,772 Yeah, right. 637 00:39:01,806 --> 00:39:06,043 So, I mean, it... You know, that's supposedly the original. 638 00:39:06,077 --> 00:39:08,946 So, I mean, I would like to keep that, if possible, 639 00:39:08,979 --> 00:39:10,514 because I'm a collector of documents. 640 00:39:10,548 --> 00:39:12,783 But that's the supposed original 641 00:39:12,817 --> 00:39:15,619 that was overnighted to me with some other material. 642 00:39:15,653 --> 00:39:18,889 Well, if you hold onto to it for now, 643 00:39:18,923 --> 00:39:21,859 let's see where the other end plays out. 644 00:39:21,892 --> 00:39:23,260 Cool. 645 00:39:23,294 --> 00:39:25,062 We may be asking you for the original. 646 00:39:25,096 --> 00:39:28,199 Now, in the late '80s, early '90s, 647 00:39:28,232 --> 00:39:30,034 there were a couple of shows that came out. 648 00:39:30,067 --> 00:39:32,503 Unsolved Mysteries. 649 00:39:32,536 --> 00:39:37,007 I know the History Channel has done some stuff, Discovery Channel. 650 00:39:37,041 --> 00:39:40,311 And those tended to generate more leads. 651 00:39:40,344 --> 00:39:44,048 And we would always end up following up on those leads. 652 00:39:44,081 --> 00:39:47,518 We would run their fingerprints every year, nationwide. 653 00:39:47,551 --> 00:39:49,954 So if they were under an alias, 654 00:39:49,987 --> 00:39:52,556 we could find out if they had committed any crimes. 655 00:39:52,590 --> 00:39:54,959 It would have been printed by some police department. 656 00:39:54,992 --> 00:39:56,694 Same thing with Canada, 657 00:39:56,727 --> 00:40:01,465 who has a mutual relationship with the US. 658 00:40:01,499 --> 00:40:03,033 You know, none of that turned up. 659 00:40:03,067 --> 00:40:06,270 There was a lead a year and a half ago in Texas, right? 660 00:40:06,303 --> 00:40:08,072 With a guy that looked like him, we got something... 661 00:40:08,105 --> 00:40:09,473 Oh, really? 662 00:40:09,507 --> 00:40:12,443 The lead got sent to us. We got hold of his driver's license. 663 00:40:12,476 --> 00:40:14,078 It was after... 664 00:40:14,111 --> 00:40:17,281 There was a History Channel show where we age-enhanced... 665 00:40:17,314 --> 00:40:19,850 Right. Did you guys do that? I noticed it on the Internet. 666 00:40:19,884 --> 00:40:24,321 Yeah. And we went and sent those out there, 667 00:40:24,355 --> 00:40:28,926 and somebody came back and said, "Jeez, it looks just like this old guy." 668 00:40:28,959 --> 00:40:31,262 So, you know, we went and followed the lead up. 669 00:40:31,295 --> 00:40:34,698 In Texas, I guess, you have to have your fingerprints or a thumb print 670 00:40:34,732 --> 00:40:36,434 on the driver's license. 671 00:40:36,467 --> 00:40:40,371 And we actually were able to verify that it wasn't him. 672 00:40:40,404 --> 00:40:41,972 Right. Based on his fingerprints. 673 00:40:44,575 --> 00:40:46,444 NURSE: Today is March 17th. 674 00:40:46,477 --> 00:40:50,214 John Leroy Kelly died at 3:00 a.m. this date 675 00:40:50,247 --> 00:40:53,984 of AIDS-related pneumocystis carinii pneumonia. 676 00:40:54,018 --> 00:40:56,120 He died quietly in his sleep. 677 00:40:59,256 --> 00:41:04,195 John received the last rights of the Roman Catholic church just after 11:00 p.m. 678 00:41:15,673 --> 00:41:18,442 So, I got some information that we can go check out, 679 00:41:18,476 --> 00:41:20,578 a death certificate, down the street, 680 00:41:20,611 --> 00:41:22,346 on John Leroy Kelly. 681 00:41:22,379 --> 00:41:23,914 If he died in this area, 682 00:41:23,948 --> 00:41:25,749 apparently, it will be on record, 683 00:41:25,783 --> 00:41:27,318 and that's where we're going next. 684 00:41:32,456 --> 00:41:34,124 NURSE: John was a no-code patient 685 00:41:34,158 --> 00:41:37,094 so we did not attempt to resuscitate. 686 00:41:37,127 --> 00:41:41,298 I am truly glad for John that his long struggle is over. 687 00:41:41,332 --> 00:41:43,000 May he rest in peace. 688 00:41:44,969 --> 00:41:49,139 I basically narrowed it down to about five hospices in the area. 689 00:41:49,173 --> 00:41:52,643 From that, we're going to go back to the hall of records and find out 690 00:41:52,676 --> 00:41:53,844 if there's a death certificate. 691 00:41:53,878 --> 00:41:55,880 But even without a death certificate, 692 00:41:55,913 --> 00:41:58,282 we can get a lot of great information now. 693 00:42:00,017 --> 00:42:02,887 NURSE: Sarah Lang of Vancouver, British Columbia, 694 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,723 called me on the phone and asked if she could come down 695 00:42:05,756 --> 00:42:07,658 and talk to me about her brother. 696 00:42:07,691 --> 00:42:14,164 I said yes, if she could agree to complete confidentiality concerning my identity. 697 00:42:14,198 --> 00:42:18,602 She agreed and I met her at the Downtown Public Library. 698 00:42:18,636 --> 00:42:21,505 During our meeting, she brought up the Alcatraz Prison Escape 699 00:42:21,539 --> 00:42:26,243 and asked me what her brother John had told me about the Alcatraz incident. 700 00:42:26,277 --> 00:42:28,045 I gave her a copy of everything 701 00:42:28,078 --> 00:42:30,314 and she stated that it was the same story 702 00:42:30,347 --> 00:42:32,816 that John had told her for years before. 703 00:42:32,850 --> 00:42:35,419 She stated that she had heard the same story 704 00:42:35,452 --> 00:42:37,488 over and over many times from John 705 00:42:37,521 --> 00:42:39,423 and felt she almost knew it by heart. 706 00:42:42,893 --> 00:42:44,595 That he and a friend 707 00:42:46,030 --> 00:42:48,465 helped the three convicts to escape 708 00:42:48,499 --> 00:42:52,670 from Alcatraz Federal Prison in San Francisco. 709 00:42:56,740 --> 00:43:00,477 They then killed the three escaped convicts 710 00:43:02,012 --> 00:43:05,549 to keep all of a large sum of money. 711 00:43:12,957 --> 00:43:15,859 KELLY: While we were at my Uncle Donald's, 712 00:43:15,893 --> 00:43:18,262 we finally decided that we would get the convicts 713 00:43:18,295 --> 00:43:20,898 into the back of Robert's pickup truck, 714 00:43:20,931 --> 00:43:22,733 drive them into the woods, 715 00:43:23,534 --> 00:43:25,669 and shoot them real quick 716 00:43:25,703 --> 00:43:27,204 and bury them. 717 00:43:29,173 --> 00:43:31,809 Robert picked a good spot along the highway 718 00:43:31,842 --> 00:43:35,279 and we even dug a big hole before we picked them up. 719 00:43:36,513 --> 00:43:41,719 Robert went somewhere and got two .38 caliber pistols 720 00:43:41,752 --> 00:43:45,756 which he hid in a toolbox under the driver's seat of the truck. 721 00:44:07,344 --> 00:44:12,016 NURSE: I told her about John making his confession to the Catholic priest 722 00:44:12,049 --> 00:44:16,620 and that I felt it had helped John's peace of mind tremendously 723 00:44:16,654 --> 00:44:19,923 and I told her that I believe John had died in peace. 724 00:44:19,957 --> 00:44:21,725 I offered her these papers 725 00:44:21,759 --> 00:44:23,560 including John's statement, 726 00:44:23,594 --> 00:44:26,463 but she said she did not want to get involved. 727 00:44:26,497 --> 00:44:29,366 She told me that it was true about their Uncle Donald 728 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,036 being a driver for big-time bank robbers. 729 00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:34,171 She said that back when he as doing this 730 00:44:34,204 --> 00:44:36,240 that it worked out very well. 731 00:44:36,273 --> 00:44:38,242 She said that there was a family rumor 732 00:44:38,275 --> 00:44:40,878 that Uncle Donald had at one time been sentenced 733 00:44:40,911 --> 00:44:44,381 to a lot of time in Angola State Prison in Louisiana, 734 00:44:44,415 --> 00:44:46,917 but that he escaped after a very short time 735 00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:49,553 and fled to the Pacific Northwest. 736 00:44:49,586 --> 00:44:52,489 According to her, no one ever found Uncle Donald 737 00:44:52,523 --> 00:44:54,725 and he died of an old age in Seattle. 738 00:44:56,126 --> 00:44:57,895 One interesting thing she said 739 00:44:57,928 --> 00:45:00,330 was that John had trouble getting rid of some of the money 740 00:45:00,364 --> 00:45:03,467 they took off the convicts because it was so old. 741 00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:05,803 She said that some of the bills were very large, 742 00:45:05,836 --> 00:45:08,939 but were still legal tender and could be spent. 743 00:45:08,972 --> 00:45:10,507 When she got up to leave 744 00:45:10,541 --> 00:45:14,745 I again tried to give John's papers, but she refused and left. 745 00:45:14,778 --> 00:45:18,115 I don't really know who to give John's statements to. 746 00:45:18,148 --> 00:45:22,186 I have thought about mailing it to a news agency or the FBI, 747 00:45:22,219 --> 00:45:24,421 but I'm not really sure what to do with it. 748 00:45:25,756 --> 00:45:28,092 Like John, I feel the time had come 749 00:45:28,125 --> 00:45:31,428 for the truth about the Alcatraz Prison Escape to come out. 750 00:45:33,130 --> 00:45:34,865 I miss John at times. 751 00:45:36,333 --> 00:45:38,335 He probably was right about being famous 752 00:45:38,368 --> 00:45:41,071 if everyone knew the truth about what he did. 753 00:46:01,058 --> 00:46:03,861 This is a request for the death certificate 754 00:46:05,596 --> 00:46:07,865 for John Leroy Kelly. 755 00:46:07,898 --> 00:46:11,068 I'm obviously very curious if there's a death certificate on file 756 00:46:11,101 --> 00:46:13,170 because this is another piece of the puzzle 757 00:46:13,203 --> 00:46:15,773 that I'm trying to put together. 758 00:47:05,689 --> 00:47:08,725 Typically, in an escape, couple things happen. 759 00:47:08,759 --> 00:47:10,694 For example, in the case of Henry Young, 760 00:47:10,727 --> 00:47:15,098 they made a movie real loosely based on him a few years ago, 761 00:47:15,132 --> 00:47:17,100 When he escaped from Walla Walla State Prison, 762 00:47:17,134 --> 00:47:18,802 the first thing he did was go home. 763 00:47:18,836 --> 00:47:21,471 One thing that has led, 764 00:47:21,505 --> 00:47:24,474 circumstantially, to our belief that they probably didn't make it, 765 00:47:24,508 --> 00:47:26,376 based on what we knew so far, 766 00:47:26,410 --> 00:47:30,881 was the fact that there were no crimes later on that were attributed to them. 767 00:47:30,914 --> 00:47:33,884 There was no... Although family members have talked to us 768 00:47:33,917 --> 00:47:35,352 and claimed there were things going on, 769 00:47:35,385 --> 00:47:39,456 they're not gonna wanna spill the beans, as it were, on that. 770 00:47:39,489 --> 00:47:43,961 The typical escape would leave a trail. 771 00:47:43,994 --> 00:47:45,829 And that's not to say that there aren't exceptions, 772 00:47:45,863 --> 00:47:48,799 but, you know, to go home, to rob another bank, 773 00:47:48,832 --> 00:47:52,469 to commit another crime, do something to leave a fingerprint somewhere 774 00:47:52,502 --> 00:47:54,171 is not at all uncommon. 775 00:47:54,204 --> 00:47:56,006 And it's been lacking that over the years. 776 00:47:56,039 --> 00:47:57,407 Since it's been so many years 777 00:47:57,441 --> 00:48:00,377 and nothing credible so far had shown up, 778 00:48:00,410 --> 00:48:05,482 that added to the likelihood that our opinion, or my opinion, I should say, 779 00:48:05,515 --> 00:48:07,050 that they didn't survive the bay. 780 00:48:07,084 --> 00:48:10,754 It just added to that, the fact that these guys never surfaced 781 00:48:10,787 --> 00:48:13,757 and the fact that they were never connected to any crimes again. 782 00:48:13,790 --> 00:48:15,759 Um, not to say that... 783 00:48:15,792 --> 00:48:18,128 Well, people say, "Well, if they were smart they wouldn't do those things." 784 00:48:18,161 --> 00:48:19,763 Well, if they were smart, 785 00:48:19,796 --> 00:48:22,165 they probably wouldn't have been doing what they were doing, to begin with, 786 00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:23,634 is another way to look at that. Right. 787 00:48:23,667 --> 00:48:25,769 Because we always stuck to the theory 788 00:48:25,802 --> 00:48:28,405 that if they had escaped and got away, 789 00:48:28,438 --> 00:48:29,973 they would be committing crimes, 790 00:48:30,007 --> 00:48:31,208 so they would eventually get caught. 791 00:48:31,241 --> 00:48:33,710 The only thing they knew to do was bank robbery. 792 00:48:33,744 --> 00:48:35,145 I mean, the were career criminals. 793 00:48:35,178 --> 00:48:37,614 So, we knew that they... 794 00:48:37,648 --> 00:48:41,385 If they did get away, they weren't in the US. 795 00:48:41,418 --> 00:48:44,121 ZIRILLI: Right. And they probably weren't in Canada 796 00:48:44,154 --> 00:48:46,490 because Canada has the same type 797 00:48:46,523 --> 00:48:48,625 of law enforcement program that we do 798 00:48:48,659 --> 00:48:51,061 and they eventually would have got caught doing something over there. 799 00:48:51,094 --> 00:48:56,266 So, that's why we really looked at anything internationally, 800 00:48:56,300 --> 00:48:58,902 and we weren't really concerned with the historical... 801 00:48:58,936 --> 00:49:00,971 We've had cases like this before 802 00:49:01,004 --> 00:49:03,540 where somebody's actually gone back, dug the bodies up 803 00:49:03,573 --> 00:49:05,309 and then spread the bones some place. 804 00:49:05,342 --> 00:49:09,813 I mean, all we end up with is fragments of bones in there. 805 00:49:09,846 --> 00:49:12,349 They're never going to get up all of the bones. 806 00:49:12,382 --> 00:49:13,951 I mean, there's going to be... 807 00:49:13,984 --> 00:49:15,686 If there were bodies buried in there 808 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,722 and somebody came back to get the bodies up, 809 00:49:18,755 --> 00:49:21,591 there's going to be something left in there, okay? 810 00:49:21,625 --> 00:49:24,027 It's just impossible to get everything 811 00:49:24,061 --> 00:49:27,364 once you put something in the ground like that. 812 00:49:27,397 --> 00:49:32,769 ZIRILLI: What would be the method of forensically finding out? 813 00:49:32,803 --> 00:49:35,806 Are there dental records or is there DNA of any kind? 814 00:49:35,839 --> 00:49:38,475 We'll have to make that determination 815 00:49:38,508 --> 00:49:42,279 with whichever state or local authority 816 00:49:42,312 --> 00:49:43,680 we will be dealing with. 817 00:49:43,714 --> 00:49:45,849 We do have records. Yeah. 818 00:49:45,882 --> 00:49:47,884 I've got records of them. 819 00:49:47,918 --> 00:49:49,186 Dental record? 820 00:49:49,219 --> 00:49:53,890 Medical and dental records from the Bureau of Prisons. 821 00:49:53,924 --> 00:49:55,158 We can use that. 822 00:49:55,192 --> 00:49:56,393 But we'll make determination... 823 00:49:56,426 --> 00:49:57,995 Of course, I know we're ahead of ourselves. 824 00:49:58,028 --> 00:50:01,498 This is fluid. We're gonna have to play a lot of this by ear as we go. 825 00:50:07,571 --> 00:50:10,107 So, we just met with Mike Earp 826 00:50:10,140 --> 00:50:12,676 and Art Roderick, the US Marshals. 827 00:50:12,709 --> 00:50:16,513 We're caravaning right now to meet with a local guy who knows the area. 828 00:50:16,546 --> 00:50:18,115 We're leaving Seattle. 829 00:50:18,148 --> 00:50:20,684 It's about an hour outside of Seattle. 830 00:50:20,717 --> 00:50:23,487 According to the statement, 831 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,389 it's gotta be about a mile and a half. 832 00:50:25,422 --> 00:50:28,925 On the left hand side, there used to be a dirt road. 833 00:50:28,959 --> 00:50:31,028 Apparently, in 1962, 834 00:50:31,061 --> 00:50:33,196 that dirt road was not blocked by a guardrail, 835 00:50:33,230 --> 00:50:35,966 but now we're gonna have to walk over the guardrail. 836 00:50:35,999 --> 00:50:38,335 From that point, we go down the dirt road 837 00:50:38,368 --> 00:50:41,538 and apparently there's going to be some big rocks 838 00:50:41,571 --> 00:50:44,941 that we'll look for and some trees. 839 00:50:44,975 --> 00:50:47,377 On the rocks, as of 1993, 840 00:50:49,579 --> 00:50:53,417 there was paint to mark the rocks. 841 00:50:53,450 --> 00:50:56,319 And then at one point in the '80s, 842 00:50:57,454 --> 00:51:01,525 um, John, the guy who gave the statement, 843 00:51:01,558 --> 00:51:04,061 actually nailed horseshoes 844 00:51:04,094 --> 00:51:06,696 into trees around the area 845 00:51:06,730 --> 00:51:10,767 and apparently buried a box of horseshoes 846 00:51:10,801 --> 00:51:14,471 right over the bodies where they were buried. 847 00:51:14,504 --> 00:51:17,541 So, underneath the horseshoes, if we find them, 848 00:51:17,574 --> 00:51:22,879 there may be the bodies of the Anglin brothers, John and Clarence, 849 00:51:22,913 --> 00:51:25,215 and Frank Morris. 850 00:51:25,248 --> 00:51:29,319 So, the initial thing we're looking for is the landmarks. 851 00:51:29,352 --> 00:51:31,955 So, wish us luck. 852 00:51:37,994 --> 00:51:39,563 NURSE: Over the last weekend, 853 00:51:39,596 --> 00:51:42,299 me and my son took John up to the spot 854 00:51:42,332 --> 00:51:45,802 where he says the three convicts are buried. 855 00:51:45,836 --> 00:51:49,005 There were still some splotches of yellow paint on the big rocks 856 00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:51,174 just like John told me there would be. 857 00:51:53,076 --> 00:51:55,846 We took four gallons of red deck paint with us 858 00:51:55,879 --> 00:51:58,448 and my son made a big circle and an "X" 859 00:51:58,482 --> 00:52:01,151 over where John says he and his friend Robert 860 00:52:01,184 --> 00:52:03,987 buried the three convicts in 1962. 861 00:52:15,098 --> 00:52:16,700 ZIRILLI: His name's Al Davis. 862 00:52:16,733 --> 00:52:21,538 He's an old timer, he's lived in this area forever, for his whole life. 863 00:52:21,571 --> 00:52:24,941 He's at least 70 or 80 years old. 864 00:52:24,975 --> 00:52:27,210 Really funny, nice guy. 865 00:52:27,244 --> 00:52:31,715 He said, though, if you go back even 10 years, 10, 20 years, 866 00:52:31,748 --> 00:52:34,017 everything's changed about this location. 867 00:52:34,050 --> 00:52:35,352 He said, "Even for myself, 868 00:52:35,385 --> 00:52:38,522 "because that can describe four or five roads 869 00:52:38,555 --> 00:52:40,757 "that aren't even there in existence anymore. 870 00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:45,195 "So it's just, it's going to be really hard for you to find 871 00:52:45,228 --> 00:52:46,696 "what you're looking for." 872 00:52:46,730 --> 00:52:50,267 He said that we're, like, five miles off base. 873 00:52:50,300 --> 00:52:52,869 He said most likely that we should go back up 874 00:52:52,903 --> 00:52:54,704 and turn to the right, sort of the area 875 00:52:54,738 --> 00:52:56,773 near the lake where we went. 876 00:52:56,806 --> 00:52:59,242 And there's actually another right turn that kinda just... 877 00:52:59,276 --> 00:53:02,746 I let him read the one paragraph about the directions. 878 00:53:02,779 --> 00:53:04,881 He said, "You'd have better luck in that area." 879 00:53:06,449 --> 00:53:09,753 But he just said there's just four or five places 880 00:53:09,786 --> 00:53:11,888 in this area that have changed 881 00:53:11,922 --> 00:53:14,457 and it's just going to be hard to find based on this. 882 00:53:14,491 --> 00:53:19,329 Somewhat vague... It sounds like vague directions to him 883 00:53:19,362 --> 00:53:21,031 because there's too many options. 884 00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:28,104 NURSE: You can no longer turn off the highway at that location. 885 00:53:28,138 --> 00:53:29,606 There is now a guardrail 886 00:53:29,639 --> 00:53:32,742 and you have to park on the roadside and walk from there. 887 00:53:36,713 --> 00:53:39,916 We were able to find two of the horseshoes nailed to the trees. 888 00:53:43,420 --> 00:53:47,057 Okay, so, we've good news and bad news. 889 00:53:47,090 --> 00:53:49,793 The good news is we met with a tracker 890 00:53:49,826 --> 00:53:51,962 who knows exactly the area 891 00:53:51,995 --> 00:53:55,932 and exactly the turnoff where he thinks, 892 00:53:55,966 --> 00:53:58,535 you know, the statement is pointing to. 893 00:53:58,568 --> 00:54:02,272 The bad news is that he said it's a big area, 894 00:54:02,305 --> 00:54:04,741 it's going to be hard to find 895 00:54:04,774 --> 00:54:07,911 and that it might be snowing, 896 00:54:07,944 --> 00:54:10,313 so there might be snow on the ground. 897 00:54:10,347 --> 00:54:12,315 So, anyways, we'll see. 898 00:55:02,332 --> 00:55:04,567 This must be the 30-foot. 899 00:55:04,601 --> 00:55:06,336 Yeah. This is the closest. 900 00:55:07,470 --> 00:55:09,105 Can you pull a truck up in here? 901 00:55:10,573 --> 00:55:13,543 We'll stand on the roof and look at this mark on the tree here. 902 00:55:15,712 --> 00:55:17,380 Pull yours. 903 00:55:17,414 --> 00:55:19,482 I can't... Oh, okay. 904 00:55:29,259 --> 00:55:32,128 First it was yellow paint and then it was red deck paint. 905 00:55:32,162 --> 00:55:34,764 Does this look like paint to you? 906 00:55:34,798 --> 00:55:36,166 It looks like yellow paint. 907 00:55:36,199 --> 00:55:37,834 And does this look like red deck paint? 908 00:55:37,867 --> 00:55:40,670 It sure does. Holy shit! 909 00:55:40,704 --> 00:55:42,439 And does that look like it could be knot 910 00:55:42,472 --> 00:55:44,708 looking like a horseshoe right up there? 911 00:55:44,741 --> 00:55:46,910 [INDISTINCT CONVERSATION] 912 00:55:50,246 --> 00:55:52,349 Let's say 30 feet off the ground. 913 00:55:52,382 --> 00:55:55,352 I mean, that's totally unnatural, is it not? 914 00:56:00,123 --> 00:56:01,858 I mean, it can be analyzed, of course. 915 00:56:01,891 --> 00:56:04,794 But I think it's worth bringing in a metal detector in this area. 916 00:56:07,831 --> 00:56:09,566 Look at that. 917 00:56:14,437 --> 00:56:17,707 Well, sure it's rusty. It came off of it right here. 918 00:56:21,077 --> 00:56:23,079 I mean, that many rounds. 919 00:56:23,113 --> 00:56:26,082 You know, they blasted them. They blasted them. 920 00:56:36,192 --> 00:56:39,396 KELLY: On June 21st, we started driving towards Canada 921 00:56:39,429 --> 00:56:41,164 in the truck with the convicts. 922 00:56:56,212 --> 00:56:58,314 At a few minutes past 5:00 p.m., 923 00:56:58,348 --> 00:56:59,983 Robert hit me on the leg, 924 00:57:00,016 --> 00:57:02,085 which was a signal we had arranged. 925 00:57:05,455 --> 00:57:07,824 He told them we were stopping to pee. 926 00:57:11,294 --> 00:57:14,464 He had a made a point over the last few days 927 00:57:14,497 --> 00:57:16,800 of complaining about his weak kidneys. 928 00:57:18,735 --> 00:57:22,071 Less than 30 feet away, the big hole we had dug waited 929 00:57:24,674 --> 00:57:26,309 and two shovels. 930 00:57:29,712 --> 00:57:31,815 I heard him get into the toolbox 931 00:57:31,848 --> 00:57:34,384 under the driver seat for the pistol. 932 00:57:41,291 --> 00:57:44,727 And he handed me one of the pistols down by his side. 933 00:57:53,036 --> 00:57:54,971 We walked to the back of the truck. 934 00:58:28,371 --> 00:58:30,373 Robert opened the truck's tailgate. 935 00:58:35,411 --> 00:58:38,748 Frank Morris must've seen the pistol in Robert's hand, 936 00:58:38,781 --> 00:58:42,752 because I heard Morris say, "You sons of bitches," 937 00:58:42,785 --> 00:58:44,821 but in almost the same instant, 938 00:58:44,854 --> 00:58:47,590 we were both shooting into the back of the truck. 939 00:58:47,624 --> 00:58:49,158 [GUNS FIRING] 940 00:58:53,429 --> 00:58:56,633 I've never been able to forget the way they jumped around 941 00:58:56,666 --> 00:59:00,303 and the sound the bullets made when they hit their bodies. 942 00:59:02,572 --> 00:59:05,008 It was the worse thing that I did in my life. 943 00:59:16,953 --> 00:59:19,088 Robert reloaded his pistol 944 00:59:19,122 --> 00:59:22,125 and I pulled the convicts out by their feet. 945 00:59:41,644 --> 00:59:45,081 John Anglin was the last one I pulled out, 946 00:59:46,449 --> 00:59:48,318 and he was alive and talking 947 00:59:51,688 --> 00:59:54,324 even though he had been hit several times 948 00:59:54,357 --> 00:59:56,926 and had to be hurting very badly. 949 00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:58,595 He begged not to die, 950 00:59:59,829 --> 01:00:03,566 but Robert shot him three or four more times. 951 01:00:24,420 --> 01:00:26,089 [GUN FIRING] 952 01:00:38,835 --> 01:00:42,839 We dumped them into the big hole we had dug, one at a time. 953 01:00:42,872 --> 01:00:44,941 We threw our pistols into the hole 954 01:00:44,974 --> 01:00:49,746 along with the bloody canvas they had been lying on in the back of the truck. 955 01:00:49,779 --> 01:00:55,284 We covered them up and spread a bag of grass seed all over the dug-up ground. 956 01:01:53,109 --> 01:01:55,912 ZIRILLI: Can you do it this close? 957 01:01:55,945 --> 01:01:59,015 Of course, this is more secluded than down there with the houses. 958 01:01:59,048 --> 01:02:00,750 Yeah, and then in the '60s, 959 01:02:00,783 --> 01:02:02,952 there was probably not as much traffic. 960 01:02:02,985 --> 01:02:04,721 Were all the horseshoes on one tree? 961 01:02:04,754 --> 01:02:07,056 ZIRILLI: No, there were four before 962 01:02:07,090 --> 01:02:10,026 in sort of a circle. 963 01:02:10,059 --> 01:02:13,496 And then when they came back in the '90s, there were only two left. 964 01:02:18,534 --> 01:02:21,170 I'm looking up at a tree, and if you look closely, 965 01:02:21,204 --> 01:02:24,774 it looks like potentially where a horseshoe could have been at one point. 966 01:02:24,807 --> 01:02:26,676 Either the tree could have grown around it 967 01:02:26,709 --> 01:02:29,979 or the tree could have pushed it out of its bark. 968 01:02:33,116 --> 01:02:34,884 [INDISTINCT CONVERSATION] 969 01:02:37,186 --> 01:02:39,822 It's just the spot here we're going to have to... Yeah. 970 01:02:44,627 --> 01:02:47,096 ZIRILLI: They buried a box of horseshoes... 971 01:02:47,130 --> 01:02:50,199 He came back in the '80s and buried a box of horseshoes 972 01:02:50,233 --> 01:02:52,602 so that they could find the spot. 973 01:02:53,636 --> 01:02:55,238 This is one potential site 974 01:02:55,271 --> 01:02:59,442 that's about 30 feet off the road, off the 90. 975 01:02:59,475 --> 01:03:01,277 There's a guardrail over there. 976 01:03:01,310 --> 01:03:05,214 There's also evidence that could be a horseshoe up on a tree. 977 01:03:05,248 --> 01:03:06,516 About 14 feet high. 978 01:03:09,118 --> 01:03:10,453 We'll see. 979 01:03:28,638 --> 01:03:31,107 It's not far. 980 01:03:31,140 --> 01:03:35,278 I think it's got potential like crazy with those paint chips 981 01:03:35,311 --> 01:03:39,682 and that little place that could have been a horseshoe at one time. 982 01:03:39,715 --> 01:03:41,117 I don't know. 983 01:03:43,719 --> 01:03:45,755 So we're calling it a day. It's getting dark. 984 01:03:45,788 --> 01:03:49,759 We found one spot that had a lot of potential with 985 01:03:49,792 --> 01:03:54,931 couple markings and a horseshoe-shaped indentation in a tree. 986 01:03:54,964 --> 01:03:57,200 So we're gonna come back tomorrow at the spot 987 01:03:57,233 --> 01:03:59,502 and see what else we can find out. 988 01:04:03,406 --> 01:04:06,909 Yesterday, we were a little discouraged when we went to the location 989 01:04:06,943 --> 01:04:10,613 because the rocks weren't quite as big as we expected. 990 01:04:10,646 --> 01:04:14,917 And there were few things about the statement that Mike Earp had pointed out 991 01:04:14,951 --> 01:04:17,019 that troubled him in some manner. 992 01:04:17,053 --> 01:04:20,456 I mean, most of the things about the statement turned out to be... 993 01:04:20,489 --> 01:04:23,292 Looked like they were totally correct and accurate. 994 01:04:23,326 --> 01:04:27,330 But some of the questions he posed, I gave it a little thought 995 01:04:27,363 --> 01:04:28,831 over the last 12 hours 996 01:04:28,865 --> 01:04:33,035 and this is my idea of the answers maybe. 997 01:04:33,069 --> 01:04:34,570 One of the things that he said 998 01:04:34,604 --> 01:04:37,773 was that it was very unlikely 999 01:04:37,807 --> 01:04:42,745 that they would trust somebody with 40 or 50,000 dollars, 1000 01:04:42,778 --> 01:04:44,480 this person Uncle Donald. 1001 01:04:44,513 --> 01:04:47,049 'Cause in the '60s that was a ton of money. 1002 01:04:47,083 --> 01:04:48,551 Now, I thought about that 1003 01:04:48,584 --> 01:04:52,221 and number one, Frank Morris, 1004 01:04:52,255 --> 01:04:55,157 he was friends with this Uncle Donald. 1005 01:04:55,191 --> 01:04:59,128 And Uncle Donald was 78 years old at the time. 1006 01:04:59,161 --> 01:05:01,297 So, I just don't see 1007 01:05:01,330 --> 01:05:04,700 that some 78-year-old guy 1008 01:05:04,734 --> 01:05:08,337 would necessarily run off with the money 1009 01:05:08,371 --> 01:05:11,240 from a friend of his at that age. 1010 01:05:11,274 --> 01:05:15,645 The other part about it being a large, large amount of money, 1011 01:05:15,678 --> 01:05:20,082 you know, for sort of like two big thieves to put together. 1012 01:05:20,116 --> 01:05:24,453 When you think about it, there were supposed to be five people. 1013 01:05:24,487 --> 01:05:27,390 Five convicts escaping out of Alcatraz. 1014 01:05:27,423 --> 01:05:30,293 So, five people... 1015 01:05:30,326 --> 01:05:33,095 Let's say 40 or 50,000 dollars, their family, 1016 01:05:33,129 --> 01:05:36,365 some of the money they got in bank robberies. 1017 01:05:36,399 --> 01:05:38,501 That's only about 10,000 dollars a piece. 1018 01:05:38,534 --> 01:05:40,636 Approximately about 10, 12,000 dollars. 1019 01:05:40,670 --> 01:05:42,838 So, to start a new life in Canada, 1020 01:05:42,872 --> 01:05:46,943 which was obviously the idea, according to the statement, 1021 01:05:46,976 --> 01:05:51,080 10, 12,000 dollars a piece split by five men 1022 01:05:51,113 --> 01:05:54,350 seems like a reasonable amount of money to put together, 1023 01:05:54,383 --> 01:05:57,153 especially if you've got a loved one in jail. 1024 01:05:57,186 --> 01:05:58,921 Back to the location. 1025 01:05:58,955 --> 01:06:01,190 So, we went to the location yesterday, 1026 01:06:01,223 --> 01:06:03,259 and, you know, in our mind's eye, 1027 01:06:03,292 --> 01:06:07,430 we sort of maybe thought these rocks were gonna be bigger. 1028 01:06:07,463 --> 01:06:11,901 Um, we did find some really interesting evidence. 1029 01:06:11,934 --> 01:06:18,207 We found a really cool-looking, horseshoe-shaped indentation in a tree. 1030 01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:22,244 We also found some paint scraps in yellow and red, 1031 01:06:22,278 --> 01:06:25,748 which is, again, we didn't find exactly paint on the rocks. 1032 01:06:28,050 --> 01:06:31,487 But we found some evidence that, you know, is circumstantial 1033 01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:33,622 and enough to follow up on. 1034 01:06:33,656 --> 01:06:35,458 So today we're going to go back 1035 01:06:35,491 --> 01:06:39,528 and I'm not sure what else... We'll ask the US Marshals what else we're gonna do, 1036 01:06:39,562 --> 01:06:43,566 but we've identified a really highly potential site. 1037 01:07:10,292 --> 01:07:12,561 Okay, we're back at the spot 1038 01:07:12,595 --> 01:07:14,630 and I just found a few interesting things. 1039 01:07:17,967 --> 01:07:20,870 Okay, originally, they said that they nailed or he nailed 1040 01:07:20,903 --> 01:07:23,806 four horseshoes into a tree. 1041 01:07:25,174 --> 01:07:26,842 Just bear with me. 1042 01:07:26,876 --> 01:07:28,577 Look at that nail. One. 1043 01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:31,814 See the nail? 1044 01:07:38,054 --> 01:07:40,156 And over here. Two. 1045 01:07:45,795 --> 01:07:47,296 A second nail. 1046 01:07:57,106 --> 01:07:58,741 Three. 1047 01:07:58,774 --> 01:08:00,810 So, we're looking for horseshoes. 1048 01:08:00,843 --> 01:08:02,545 Now, you know, when she came back, 1049 01:08:02,578 --> 01:08:04,013 apparently, there were only two left, 1050 01:08:04,046 --> 01:08:06,148 but now there are no horseshoes, 1051 01:08:06,182 --> 01:08:08,751 but look, there are one, two, 1052 01:08:09,585 --> 01:08:11,754 three over there and four nails. 1053 01:08:11,787 --> 01:08:13,956 And this is the area that I said looks like 1054 01:08:13,989 --> 01:08:16,058 somebody maybe came back at some point... 1055 01:08:16,092 --> 01:08:18,094 Just point the camera right down there. 1056 01:08:18,127 --> 01:08:20,362 I'm not saying this is where the hole was dug, 1057 01:08:20,396 --> 01:08:22,431 but maybe this is where he came back 1058 01:08:22,465 --> 01:08:25,734 and dug this little ground up to bury the horseshoes. 1059 01:08:25,768 --> 01:08:30,139 It's not like... This area looks to me a little unnatural to the rest. 1060 01:08:30,172 --> 01:08:32,274 It looks like something was dug out 1061 01:08:32,308 --> 01:08:34,643 and it's all uneven here. 1062 01:08:34,677 --> 01:08:37,780 This feels like anywhere could be the spot. 1063 01:08:37,813 --> 01:08:40,049 You know, this has got a lot of potential. 1064 01:08:40,082 --> 01:08:44,386 There are four nails in somewhat of a circle in this spot 1065 01:08:44,420 --> 01:08:47,022 and it's exactly what we're looking for. 1066 01:08:47,056 --> 01:08:49,125 Now, come over here and look at these rocks. 1067 01:08:53,028 --> 01:08:55,664 Yellow and red paint. 1068 01:09:04,306 --> 01:09:06,976 I'm hoping that we'll come back and survey this whole area 1069 01:09:07,009 --> 01:09:10,679 because this ground, this area, and those markings 1070 01:09:10,713 --> 01:09:12,148 look good to me. 1071 01:09:18,854 --> 01:09:21,724 ZIRILLI: You know, George Clooney is gonna play in the movie version, right? 1072 01:09:21,757 --> 01:09:23,692 [CHUCKLING] 1073 01:09:25,661 --> 01:09:27,429 Pretty good. 1074 01:09:27,463 --> 01:09:30,599 Some research on it, I gotta find out... 1075 01:09:30,633 --> 01:09:32,768 I have to get the GPS coordinates 1076 01:09:32,801 --> 01:09:34,870 in that particular location. 1077 01:09:34,904 --> 01:09:39,475 I will probably do that today. 1078 01:09:39,508 --> 01:09:45,114 Um, but if I know the name of the individual you got the statement from, 1079 01:09:46,815 --> 01:09:48,450 if we could just do a background... 1080 01:09:48,484 --> 01:09:50,119 We can run a background on him right now. 1081 01:09:50,152 --> 01:09:52,621 We could call... and find out 1082 01:09:52,655 --> 01:09:56,325 if he is connected to... What his mother's name is. 1083 01:09:56,358 --> 01:09:58,127 Where she's from, where he's been. 1084 01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:01,497 He's got to be some... I mean, he's got to... 1085 01:10:01,530 --> 01:10:05,501 ZIRILLI: Yeah, he's real paranoid about his identity. 1086 01:10:08,737 --> 01:10:10,806 RODERICK: You know, we're at that point. 1087 01:10:10,839 --> 01:10:13,042 I mean, we don't even know if she's alive. 1088 01:10:13,075 --> 01:10:14,543 ZIRILLI: Right, right. 1089 01:10:14,577 --> 01:10:18,214 RODERICK: If you're telling me this guy sounds like he's in his 50s, 1090 01:10:18,247 --> 01:10:20,382 and this is his mother, 1091 01:10:20,416 --> 01:10:22,785 then she's gotta be at least in her 70s or 80s. 1092 01:10:24,053 --> 01:10:25,487 ZIRILLI: Yeah. 1093 01:10:27,656 --> 01:10:30,793 You know? So... Right. I got you. 1094 01:10:30,826 --> 01:10:32,094 Okay. 1095 01:10:32,127 --> 01:10:35,798 They gave their statements, let's be honest about it. 1096 01:10:35,831 --> 01:10:39,702 They are the ones providing statements of reference 1097 01:10:39,735 --> 01:10:42,638 of this guy confessing to homicide and whatnot. 1098 01:10:42,671 --> 01:10:44,173 Yeah. 1099 01:10:44,206 --> 01:10:47,142 But there are law enforcement officials 1100 01:10:47,176 --> 01:10:49,979 that could be investigating that, yeah. 1101 01:10:50,012 --> 01:10:52,214 Their names are gonna have to be known, 1102 01:10:52,248 --> 01:10:54,250 they're gonna be questioned, they're gonna be interviewed, 1103 01:10:54,283 --> 01:10:57,620 they're gonna be possibly compelled to testify 1104 01:10:57,653 --> 01:10:59,521 for the accuracy of the statement. 1105 01:10:59,555 --> 01:11:01,190 Right. There's no doubt. 1106 01:11:01,223 --> 01:11:03,259 I won't mislead you on that. 1107 01:11:03,292 --> 01:11:06,295 I mean, as far as we're concerned, the public's not gonna be informed. 1108 01:11:06,328 --> 01:11:07,763 No, we're not gonna release it. 1109 01:11:07,796 --> 01:11:09,698 [CELL PHONE RINGING] But the law enforcement, yeah. 1110 01:11:09,732 --> 01:11:11,233 Right. This is Mike. 1111 01:12:07,656 --> 01:12:10,993 O'ROSS: Who was this man, John Leroy Kelly? 1112 01:12:11,026 --> 01:12:14,396 A phantom? A charlatan? A phony? 1113 01:12:15,297 --> 01:12:17,599 Or was he telling the truth? 1114 01:12:18,567 --> 01:12:20,402 Did he and his partner take part 1115 01:12:20,436 --> 01:12:25,574 in one of the most well-planned and coordinated escapes in history. 1116 01:12:25,607 --> 01:12:28,077 An escape that could only have been successful 1117 01:12:28,110 --> 01:12:32,348 with help from inside and outside the walls of the Rock. 1118 01:12:32,381 --> 01:12:34,283 What is irrefutable 1119 01:12:34,316 --> 01:12:36,652 is that the three men made it out of their cells 1120 01:12:36,685 --> 01:12:39,121 and into the water that night. 1121 01:12:39,154 --> 01:12:43,025 It is only speculated that they drowned at sea. 1122 01:12:43,058 --> 01:12:45,494 Was the culmination of their complex plan 1123 01:12:45,527 --> 01:12:47,329 merely to swim across the bay, 1124 01:12:47,363 --> 01:12:49,798 risking hypothermia and drowning, 1125 01:12:49,832 --> 01:12:54,303 only to come ashore in bustling downtown San Francisco? 1126 01:12:54,336 --> 01:12:58,674 Or did they have something more sophisticated in mind? 1127 01:13:00,409 --> 01:13:04,313 For now, their fate still remains a mystery. 1128 01:13:04,346 --> 01:13:06,749 Or does it? 92011

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