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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:40,874 --> 00:00:43,918 In a filmmaking career that has spanned over 30 years, 2 00:00:44,086 --> 00:00:47,214 my next guest is the man responsible for such cinematic classics 3 00:00:47,381 --> 00:00:50,217 as "the house of Usher," "wild angels," 4 00:00:50,384 --> 00:00:52,219 "the monster from the ocean floor," 5 00:00:52,386 --> 00:00:54,721 "the attack of the crab monsters." 6 00:00:54,888 --> 00:00:57,223 Please welcome Roger corman. 7 00:01:01,562 --> 00:01:04,565 Low-budget movies in those days-- it wasn't like today. 8 00:01:06,567 --> 00:01:09,319 Nobody was really trying to make them good. 9 00:01:09,486 --> 00:01:12,697 There was the real emphasis on the price. 10 00:01:16,910 --> 00:01:20,580 Roger corman has made more than 200 motion pictures in his career, 11 00:01:20,747 --> 00:01:22,248 most of them for extremely low budget. 12 00:01:22,416 --> 00:01:25,168 He's produced around 150-175 films. 13 00:01:25,335 --> 00:01:27,754 He made so many movies. In 1957, he directed 10 movies. 14 00:01:27,921 --> 00:01:29,255 Most people don't get to do that. 15 00:01:29,423 --> 00:01:31,716 He made 250 movies and never lost a dime. 16 00:01:33,885 --> 00:01:37,680 Okay, this is not a $20-million movie. 17 00:01:37,848 --> 00:01:40,475 You know, this is a $1.98 science fiction movie. 18 00:01:43,645 --> 00:01:45,355 We knew these were made fast and cheap, 19 00:01:45,522 --> 00:01:49,108 and we also knew that taste was out of the question. 20 00:01:49,276 --> 00:01:51,319 There was no need for taste. 21 00:01:51,486 --> 00:01:54,363 The way Disney movies, you know, bring out the child in all of us, 22 00:01:54,531 --> 00:01:57,367 you know, so can exploitation. 23 00:01:59,661 --> 00:02:01,871 Sometimes he'll give the notes right on the script 24 00:02:02,039 --> 00:02:03,957 and you get little marginal references like 25 00:02:04,124 --> 00:02:07,085 "breast nudity possible here?" Question mark. 26 00:02:07,252 --> 00:02:10,129 The goal was, Roger said, "every motorcycle that runs, 27 00:02:10,297 --> 00:02:12,132 have it smash into something. 28 00:02:12,299 --> 00:02:14,342 And then when it stops running, blow it up." 29 00:02:38,784 --> 00:02:40,494 Aah! 30 00:02:40,661 --> 00:02:42,996 He said, "your job, if the cops come, 31 00:02:43,163 --> 00:02:45,039 is to pick up the camera and run." 32 00:02:45,207 --> 00:02:46,208 I said, "we're in the middle of the desert. 33 00:02:46,375 --> 00:02:47,542 What do you mean, there is no water?" 34 00:02:47,709 --> 00:02:50,837 It's a Roger corman movie, you know. There's no water. 35 00:02:51,004 --> 00:02:53,297 You know, they kind of went around the sound stage, 36 00:02:53,465 --> 00:02:54,841 one take on everything. 37 00:02:55,008 --> 00:02:56,384 That's just the way he worked. 38 00:02:56,551 --> 00:02:58,761 You know, you didn't argue with him. 39 00:02:58,929 --> 00:03:01,264 And we were delighted to be working. 40 00:03:01,431 --> 00:03:03,516 It doesn't matter if people are happy. 41 00:03:03,684 --> 00:03:06,561 It doesn't matter if you have a permit. None of it matters. 42 00:03:06,728 --> 00:03:09,522 You know, the only thing that counts is what you get inside the frame. 43 00:03:09,690 --> 00:03:11,525 He's still around, making pictures 44 00:03:11,692 --> 00:03:13,860 in his 80s and he's-- i just saw him the other day. 45 00:03:14,027 --> 00:03:16,070 He hasn't changed at all. 46 00:03:48,228 --> 00:03:51,231 Man: One, two, three. 47 00:03:52,691 --> 00:03:54,567 And action! 48 00:03:54,735 --> 00:03:56,570 Man: One, two, three. 49 00:03:56,737 --> 00:03:59,990 I'm in the water with a giant creature on my arms... 50 00:04:01,700 --> 00:04:03,910 ...pumping blood out, chomping on a beautiful girl in a bikini. 51 00:04:04,077 --> 00:04:06,829 I mean, it's the essence of Roger corman cinema. 52 00:04:08,582 --> 00:04:10,709 Roger corman: We feel that the monster 53 00:04:10,876 --> 00:04:13,295 should kill somebody fairly early 54 00:04:13,462 --> 00:04:16,715 and then at regular intervals through the picture. 55 00:04:16,882 --> 00:04:20,427 The first kill should be quite shocking. 56 00:04:20,594 --> 00:04:23,805 The other kills can be a little bit less shocking 57 00:04:23,972 --> 00:04:25,431 as we build up. 58 00:04:25,599 --> 00:04:27,100 And then of course the climax-- 59 00:04:27,267 --> 00:04:29,686 everything goes, blood all over the screen. 60 00:04:38,069 --> 00:04:40,404 Frances doel: Roger had made two previous movies 61 00:04:40,572 --> 00:04:43,283 for the syfy channel that did very well for them. 62 00:04:43,450 --> 00:04:45,869 And he said, "okay, Frances, it's 'dinoshark.' 63 00:04:46,036 --> 00:04:47,579 you know what that is." 64 00:04:47,746 --> 00:04:50,206 And of course I say, "yes, I know what that is. 65 00:04:50,373 --> 00:04:52,249 It's a giant shark." 66 00:04:52,417 --> 00:04:55,128 "Yes, but not too much like 'jaws."' "No, of course not." 67 00:04:55,295 --> 00:04:57,880 - Woman: 122-Charlie, take three. - Man: Marker. 68 00:04:58,048 --> 00:05:00,592 Julie corman: "Dinoshark" is about a shark 69 00:05:00,759 --> 00:05:03,178 that is unloosed because of global warming 70 00:05:03,345 --> 00:05:05,347 from an avalanche north of Alaska... 71 00:05:05,514 --> 00:05:07,224 Eric balfour: That's your killer. 72 00:05:07,390 --> 00:05:10,226 It hasn't eaten in 150 million years 73 00:05:10,393 --> 00:05:12,269 and it's hungry. 74 00:05:12,437 --> 00:05:14,313 Julie: ...And somehow mysteriously 75 00:05:14,481 --> 00:05:16,608 makes its way south to puerto vallarta 76 00:05:16,775 --> 00:05:18,818 and pretty much terrorizes 77 00:05:18,985 --> 00:05:21,153 everybody and everything in sight. 78 00:05:21,321 --> 00:05:23,406 David carradine: You know, that whole world 79 00:05:23,573 --> 00:05:27,326 is just so different from the "entertainment weekly" world 80 00:05:27,494 --> 00:05:29,996 or the academy award world. 81 00:05:30,163 --> 00:05:32,456 The golden globes don't even hear about these things. 82 00:05:32,624 --> 00:05:35,668 You know, these pictures-- they just go someplace else. 83 00:05:35,836 --> 00:05:37,587 And there's an incredible number of people 84 00:05:37,754 --> 00:05:39,547 that want to see a picture just like this. 85 00:05:39,714 --> 00:05:42,216 Doel: The paradise village location 86 00:05:42,384 --> 00:05:46,471 also had some accommodation for actors and crew and so on. 87 00:05:46,638 --> 00:05:50,016 So that's always been one of those little tricks up Roger's sleeve-- 88 00:05:50,183 --> 00:05:53,269 how he can do what he does on a budget. 89 00:05:53,436 --> 00:05:56,272 Roger always said, you know, "you could make 'Lawrence of Arabia' 90 00:05:56,439 --> 00:05:57,815 for a half a million dollars. 91 00:05:57,983 --> 00:05:59,192 You just don't leave the tent." 92 00:05:59,359 --> 00:06:01,486 Balfour: If you could imagine 93 00:06:01,653 --> 00:06:03,863 knows Berry farm set on a beach, 94 00:06:04,030 --> 00:06:06,365 but the only people in the park were senior citizens, 95 00:06:06,533 --> 00:06:10,703 no rides, but it had a theme-park-like atmosphere, 96 00:06:10,871 --> 00:06:14,499 that is what we have affectionately dubbed 97 00:06:14,666 --> 00:06:16,042 paradise prison. 98 00:06:16,209 --> 00:06:18,336 Who is two minutes from being ready for what? 99 00:06:20,547 --> 00:06:22,590 Balfour: At first I thought it was maybe some kind of 100 00:06:22,757 --> 00:06:26,594 electromagnetic field that doesn't allow the walkie-talkie service. 101 00:06:26,761 --> 00:06:28,262 Man: I need a radio that works. 102 00:06:30,682 --> 00:06:33,184 But it turns out that we just bought, 103 00:06:33,351 --> 00:06:35,686 you know, children's walkie-talkies. 104 00:06:35,854 --> 00:06:39,065 This is full-on guerilla-style filmmaking. 105 00:06:39,232 --> 00:06:40,775 I mean, you know, we're sort of running and gunning 106 00:06:40,942 --> 00:06:43,319 and stealing locations and driving boats 107 00:06:43,486 --> 00:06:46,030 - where they shouldn't be driven. - Man: Go, go, go, get out! 108 00:06:46,197 --> 00:06:47,948 Oh, my god. 109 00:06:48,116 --> 00:06:50,827 At one point they wanted somebody to get in this water... 110 00:06:50,994 --> 00:06:53,329 - Man: Action! - ...To get attacked by something. 111 00:06:58,543 --> 00:07:02,463 Well, it turns out there was actually things to get attacked by. 112 00:07:02,631 --> 00:07:04,007 Not that this wasn't obvious. 113 00:07:04,174 --> 00:07:07,760 There was a giant sign that said "crocodiles." 114 00:07:16,102 --> 00:07:18,187 Should she be there? 115 00:07:18,355 --> 00:07:21,191 Well, that's where she was in the wide shot. 116 00:07:23,944 --> 00:07:27,989 - The way this will be cut, it'll work. - Okay. All right. 117 00:07:28,156 --> 00:07:31,075 You wouldn't think of the movies, if you met him, 118 00:07:31,242 --> 00:07:33,744 that he'd have done all these movies-- 119 00:07:33,912 --> 00:07:38,333 very polite, very-- almost British. 120 00:07:38,500 --> 00:07:40,376 He really came across, I felt, 121 00:07:40,543 --> 00:07:43,712 as more like an English film professor, you know. 122 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,924 I expected him to be teaching at Oxford or Cambridge 123 00:07:47,092 --> 00:07:48,968 rather than kind of making all of these 124 00:07:49,135 --> 00:07:51,512 kind of violent exploitation movies that he had made. 125 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,307 I thought he'd be more like Lee j. Cobb, let's say, 126 00:07:54,474 --> 00:07:57,643 or somebody a little-- where they're smoking a cigar 127 00:07:57,811 --> 00:07:59,729 and pounding on the desk and-- 128 00:07:59,896 --> 00:08:02,315 "you kids get in there and do that work," and, you know-- 129 00:08:02,482 --> 00:08:05,151 and actually he's very eloquent, 130 00:08:05,318 --> 00:08:07,987 elegant and precise, 131 00:08:08,154 --> 00:08:10,865 cool-headed, from what I saw, 132 00:08:11,032 --> 00:08:14,994 and very, very different from the type of person 133 00:08:15,161 --> 00:08:18,497 you'd think would be behind these pictures like "teenage cave man." 134 00:08:21,668 --> 00:08:24,212 Corman: The difference between 135 00:08:24,379 --> 00:08:27,173 the image you present to the world 136 00:08:27,340 --> 00:08:31,761 and what is going on inside, in your unconscious mind, 137 00:08:31,928 --> 00:08:34,180 is significant. 138 00:08:34,347 --> 00:08:36,807 I've been told that my image is 139 00:08:36,975 --> 00:08:39,185 I'm just sort of an ordinary straight guy. 140 00:08:39,352 --> 00:08:41,520 Clearly my unconscious mind 141 00:08:41,688 --> 00:08:45,024 is some sort of a boiling inferno there. 142 00:08:48,278 --> 00:08:50,863 Like most kids, i was interested in films 143 00:08:51,031 --> 00:08:53,533 essentially all my life. 144 00:08:53,700 --> 00:08:57,161 I graduated from Stanford university in California in engineering. 145 00:08:57,328 --> 00:09:00,164 I worked four days as an engineer and quit. 146 00:09:00,331 --> 00:09:02,207 The only job I could get in films 147 00:09:02,375 --> 00:09:04,293 was a messenger at 20th century fox. 148 00:09:04,461 --> 00:09:07,380 And I worked my way up from that to become a story analyst. 149 00:09:07,547 --> 00:09:10,132 I read scripts, commented on them, 150 00:09:10,300 --> 00:09:13,011 and handed in a synopsis of the script or the novel 151 00:09:13,178 --> 00:09:16,097 or whatever had been proposed with my opinion. 152 00:09:16,264 --> 00:09:18,933 As the youngest reader, i was given 153 00:09:19,100 --> 00:09:21,769 frankly the most hopeless scripts to cover. 154 00:09:21,936 --> 00:09:23,479 And the story editor said, 155 00:09:23,646 --> 00:09:26,148 "Roger, you have never recommended one script." 156 00:09:26,316 --> 00:09:29,569 And I said, "you've never given me a script that's worth recommending." 157 00:09:29,736 --> 00:09:31,612 So they sent me a script 158 00:09:31,780 --> 00:09:34,616 which was the first thing I'd ever read at fox 159 00:09:34,783 --> 00:09:37,035 that I thought was really any good at all. 160 00:09:37,202 --> 00:09:39,370 And I made a number of notes on it. 161 00:09:39,537 --> 00:09:43,874 The picture became "the gunfighter" starring Gregory peck. 162 00:09:44,042 --> 00:09:48,296 And the story editor got a bonus for my notes. 163 00:09:48,463 --> 00:09:51,090 And I got no recognition for the fact 164 00:09:51,257 --> 00:09:54,551 that a number of my ideas were used in the script. 165 00:09:54,719 --> 00:09:56,929 This became a big hit for fox. 166 00:09:57,097 --> 00:09:59,766 You would have thought he would have had some acknowledgement. 167 00:09:59,933 --> 00:10:04,433 This caused him to leave fox and become what he is today. 168 00:10:04,604 --> 00:10:06,606 After "the gunfighter," 169 00:10:06,773 --> 00:10:09,150 he corralled some money from our parents 170 00:10:09,317 --> 00:10:11,319 and some of his money and a few friends', 171 00:10:11,486 --> 00:10:13,446 got an enormous number of deferments 172 00:10:13,613 --> 00:10:16,449 and made his first film-- "monster from the ocean floor." 173 00:10:16,616 --> 00:10:18,367 And that was basically 174 00:10:18,535 --> 00:10:21,037 the beginnings of Roger corman. 175 00:10:22,122 --> 00:10:26,622 I was the producer, the assistant director and everything. 176 00:10:27,627 --> 00:10:30,254 I would drive the truck to the location 177 00:10:30,421 --> 00:10:33,799 and unload everything I could by myself. 178 00:10:33,967 --> 00:10:36,135 And I would save about an hour 179 00:10:36,302 --> 00:10:38,846 on the crew salary every morning. 180 00:10:48,064 --> 00:10:49,607 The second picture I made 181 00:10:49,774 --> 00:10:51,984 was a picture called "the fast and the furious." 182 00:10:52,152 --> 00:10:55,989 It was about road racing and of course had very, very little money. 183 00:10:56,156 --> 00:10:58,908 Jonathan haze: Roger went to some sports car dealerships 184 00:10:59,075 --> 00:11:00,618 and borrowed sports cars. 185 00:11:00,785 --> 00:11:04,121 And we took the windshields off them and actually raced them. 186 00:11:04,289 --> 00:11:07,375 And then we'd clean them up and take them back. 187 00:11:07,542 --> 00:11:10,086 Roger was just so inane at the time 188 00:11:10,253 --> 00:11:12,838 and was trying to do it himself 189 00:11:13,006 --> 00:11:15,174 and was starting to run out of money. 190 00:11:15,341 --> 00:11:18,052 If you don't understand money in the movie business, 191 00:11:18,219 --> 00:11:21,680 it's like an artist who doesn't understand paint. 192 00:11:21,848 --> 00:11:25,893 Roger told me, "well, I understand paint. 193 00:11:26,060 --> 00:11:29,021 If I got to thin her up with turpentine or there's no picture, 194 00:11:29,189 --> 00:11:31,733 why, she gets thinned up a little. 195 00:11:31,900 --> 00:11:33,693 That's all there is to it." 196 00:11:33,860 --> 00:11:35,862 I could see the problem for the independent. 197 00:11:36,029 --> 00:11:39,449 You raised the money. You made the picture. 198 00:11:39,616 --> 00:11:43,161 And then you had to wait for the picture to earn its money back 199 00:11:43,328 --> 00:11:45,538 before you could make another picture. 200 00:11:45,705 --> 00:11:47,998 But Sam arkoff and Jim Nicholson 201 00:11:48,166 --> 00:11:50,793 were starting a new company-- American international. 202 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,213 And they made me an offer for "the fast and the furious" 203 00:11:54,380 --> 00:11:56,048 to start their company with. 204 00:11:56,216 --> 00:11:58,092 I said, "i want a three-picture deal 205 00:11:58,259 --> 00:12:02,012 in which I'm guaranteed my money back. 206 00:12:02,180 --> 00:12:04,223 As soon as I finish one film, 207 00:12:04,390 --> 00:12:07,351 I go to the next one using the guarantee." 208 00:12:07,518 --> 00:12:09,394 And that essentially started me 209 00:12:09,562 --> 00:12:12,273 on a regular basis of making films 210 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,025 and started American international. 211 00:12:26,412 --> 00:12:29,331 Don't call me "squaw." 212 00:12:29,499 --> 00:12:32,585 You're a dirty apache squaw. 213 00:12:32,752 --> 00:12:34,545 I'm gonna kill you. 214 00:12:34,712 --> 00:12:38,966 Your people did that-- raiding, thieving, killing. 215 00:12:40,718 --> 00:12:42,594 Haze: I was very famous for fighting with the girls. 216 00:12:42,762 --> 00:12:44,555 This was "apache woman." 217 00:12:44,722 --> 00:12:48,684 Joan Taylor and I did a knife fight in the street. 218 00:12:48,851 --> 00:12:51,436 And this is dick Miller in the background 219 00:12:51,604 --> 00:12:54,481 where he belonged. 220 00:12:54,649 --> 00:12:57,610 A friend of mine, Jonathan haze, said, 221 00:12:57,777 --> 00:13:01,280 "well, maybe I'll introduce you to Roger corman and he can help you." 222 00:13:01,447 --> 00:13:02,823 We went down there. He said, "what do you do?" 223 00:13:02,991 --> 00:13:04,450 I said, "I'm a writer." 224 00:13:04,617 --> 00:13:07,036 He said, "we don't need any writers right now." 225 00:13:07,203 --> 00:13:10,497 He says, "i need actors." I said, "I'm an actor." 226 00:13:10,665 --> 00:13:12,792 He says, "you want to play an Indian for me?" 227 00:13:12,959 --> 00:13:14,794 At the end I got killed. 228 00:13:14,961 --> 00:13:17,713 Roger said, "how would you like to play a cowboy for me?" 229 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,464 I said, "oh, are we going to another picture?" 230 00:13:19,632 --> 00:13:21,216 He says, "no, no, this picture." 231 00:13:21,384 --> 00:13:23,511 I said, "oh, god. Okay." 232 00:13:25,138 --> 00:13:27,557 I wound up killing myself in the last scene. 233 00:13:27,724 --> 00:13:29,600 I don't know what the budgets were, 234 00:13:29,767 --> 00:13:31,477 but they were really low. 235 00:13:31,644 --> 00:13:34,188 We shot them in seven days, so that gives you an idea. 236 00:13:34,355 --> 00:13:36,190 And that's everything, including special effects 237 00:13:36,357 --> 00:13:37,816 or anything else, you know. 238 00:13:37,984 --> 00:13:40,861 Some weren't all that great, and Roger'd be the first guy to tell you that. 239 00:13:41,029 --> 00:13:43,948 I never had the opportunity to go to film school. 240 00:13:46,826 --> 00:13:49,787 My student work was being shown on the screen. 241 00:13:49,954 --> 00:13:52,831 And some of it wasn't quite as good as it might have been, 242 00:13:52,999 --> 00:13:55,334 but I was learning all the time. 243 00:13:57,879 --> 00:14:00,464 Beat it, I said. You're on a battlefield. 244 00:14:00,631 --> 00:14:03,008 I know that better than you do, sergeant. How well are you doing? 245 00:14:03,176 --> 00:14:05,386 Half my men are dead. Nothing can stop that thing. 246 00:14:05,553 --> 00:14:07,054 Call off your troops. 247 00:14:14,020 --> 00:14:15,688 Scorsese: It's as if these films were being made 248 00:14:15,855 --> 00:14:17,815 on your street corner, in a way. 249 00:14:17,982 --> 00:14:20,985 They weren't encumbered by having to deal with "art" 250 00:14:21,152 --> 00:14:23,028 with a capital a-r-t. 251 00:14:23,196 --> 00:14:26,365 They just weren't-- I mean, they're art in another way. 252 00:14:34,248 --> 00:14:36,625 Corman: I learned fairly quickly 253 00:14:36,793 --> 00:14:39,504 how to handle the camera, what to do with editing, 254 00:14:39,670 --> 00:14:41,546 but I didn't know enough about acting, 255 00:14:41,714 --> 00:14:44,550 and I felt I should simply take a class. 256 00:14:44,717 --> 00:14:46,677 And that was where I met Jack Nicholson. 257 00:14:46,844 --> 00:14:49,721 Nicholson: He came into the class with that little smile, 258 00:14:49,889 --> 00:14:53,100 and everybody's as serious as a heart attack, you know. 259 00:14:53,267 --> 00:14:55,978 He had-- when I was first working for him, 260 00:14:56,145 --> 00:14:58,313 he told me he had 12 companies, 261 00:14:58,481 --> 00:15:01,901 the contracts of which were all in his back pocket. 262 00:15:02,068 --> 00:15:04,445 I mean, he was a one-man band. 263 00:15:04,612 --> 00:15:06,739 Don't make me. 264 00:15:06,906 --> 00:15:08,991 Don't be a fool, kid. 265 00:15:09,158 --> 00:15:11,368 You think I would carry a real gun? 266 00:15:15,415 --> 00:15:19,001 As a matter of fact, the first picture Jack Nicholson starred in 267 00:15:19,168 --> 00:15:21,587 was for me-- a picture called "the cry baby killer" 268 00:15:21,754 --> 00:15:24,631 about a kid who takes a drive-in hostage. 269 00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:27,384 It's coming. Can't you get him to be quiet until it comes? 270 00:15:27,552 --> 00:15:29,929 Nicholson: I hadn't really worked at all before. 271 00:15:30,096 --> 00:15:32,598 Then I got a lead in the movie. I thought, "oh, this is it. 272 00:15:32,765 --> 00:15:36,101 I'm here. I'm gonna be big," you know. 273 00:15:36,269 --> 00:15:39,272 Then I didn't even get an interview for the next year. 274 00:15:39,439 --> 00:15:42,525 Look, Carole was a swell girl until Manny got his hands on her. 275 00:15:42,692 --> 00:15:44,527 You mean, till she wanted Manny's hands on her. 276 00:15:44,694 --> 00:15:45,736 Listen, Fred... 277 00:15:45,903 --> 00:15:48,447 "Cry baby killer" was just humiliating... 278 00:15:48,614 --> 00:15:51,450 ...but good for me. 279 00:15:51,617 --> 00:15:54,494 Hey, Roger's the only guy who hired me for about 10 years. 280 00:15:54,662 --> 00:15:58,290 Teenagers-- never had 'em when I was a kid. 281 00:15:58,458 --> 00:16:01,669 The word "teenager" didn't really exist until the '50s. 282 00:16:01,836 --> 00:16:03,796 If you look at the '40s and '30s, 283 00:16:03,963 --> 00:16:05,965 their idea of a teenage movie was "Andy Hardy." 284 00:16:06,132 --> 00:16:07,800 Hey, Betsy. 285 00:16:07,967 --> 00:16:09,802 Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy! What do you think's happened? 286 00:16:09,969 --> 00:16:11,971 - What do you think's happened? - What? Well, tell me what. 287 00:16:12,138 --> 00:16:14,723 Cynthia won't go to the dance and i don't know why and I don't want to. 288 00:16:14,891 --> 00:16:16,142 Times were changing. 289 00:16:16,309 --> 00:16:19,312 - Dave! - Okay, Johnny. 290 00:16:19,479 --> 00:16:22,982 Corman: The major studios didn't really understand 291 00:16:23,149 --> 00:16:26,944 the audience was looking for a different type of film. 292 00:16:27,111 --> 00:16:30,656 If we were going to make pictures about young people, 293 00:16:30,823 --> 00:16:33,242 I'd have picked a young guy like Jack Nicholson. 294 00:16:33,409 --> 00:16:35,661 But you're through breaking the law. 295 00:16:35,828 --> 00:16:39,164 Sarge, I don't break the law. I make my own. 296 00:16:39,332 --> 00:16:42,877 Roger really realized that young people at that time 297 00:16:43,044 --> 00:16:45,171 really liked movies where teenagers 298 00:16:45,338 --> 00:16:47,340 were in trouble with the authorities. 299 00:16:47,507 --> 00:16:49,967 He had found an audience that you didn't have to go 300 00:16:50,134 --> 00:16:52,970 through the studio system to reach. 301 00:16:53,137 --> 00:16:55,514 Not only was he a rebel from Hollywood 302 00:16:55,681 --> 00:16:59,643 in that he did it all himself and did it outside of the studio system, 303 00:16:59,810 --> 00:17:04,231 but there was an edge of rebellion, you know, to the movies. 304 00:17:07,527 --> 00:17:09,362 Dante: You make it as disreputable as possible 305 00:17:09,529 --> 00:17:11,280 so that the parents wouldn't want them to see it 306 00:17:11,447 --> 00:17:12,865 and that they feel that when they go there, 307 00:17:13,032 --> 00:17:14,700 they're doing something transgressive, 308 00:17:14,867 --> 00:17:16,910 and you've got an audience. 309 00:17:17,078 --> 00:17:18,704 You're making outlaw movies, basically. 310 00:17:18,871 --> 00:17:20,372 And Roger has always been an outlaw. 311 00:17:20,540 --> 00:17:23,459 Let go of me, you big ape! 312 00:17:24,877 --> 00:17:26,837 Now beat it, smart boy, and don't come back 313 00:17:27,004 --> 00:17:28,797 or I'll break your head. 314 00:17:28,965 --> 00:17:30,758 Break whose head, you phony frenchman? 315 00:17:30,925 --> 00:17:33,218 You ain't so tough. Took this moosehead to throw me out. 316 00:17:33,386 --> 00:17:35,930 Corman: I've always been anti-establishment. 317 00:17:36,097 --> 00:17:38,265 I spent two years in the Navy. 318 00:17:38,432 --> 00:17:42,227 Those were the worst two years of my life. 319 00:17:42,395 --> 00:17:46,399 I came very close to setting the record for the most demerits, 320 00:17:46,566 --> 00:17:50,278 because I felt if they set up a rule, 321 00:17:50,444 --> 00:17:52,946 I really must break that rule. 322 00:17:53,114 --> 00:17:55,407 Ron Howard: Roger understood 323 00:17:55,575 --> 00:17:58,744 the need for audiences to identify with rebellion. 324 00:17:58,911 --> 00:18:01,204 Beating the system-- that's cathartic, 325 00:18:01,372 --> 00:18:03,415 you know, defining yourself on your own terms. 326 00:18:03,583 --> 00:18:05,418 These things are elemental. 327 00:18:05,585 --> 00:18:09,046 They're all what we go through during those rites of passage. 328 00:18:10,756 --> 00:18:12,299 I think that he understood that when he was dealing 329 00:18:12,466 --> 00:18:14,259 with those basic experiences and feelings 330 00:18:14,427 --> 00:18:17,138 that he was talking to a young audience. 331 00:18:17,305 --> 00:18:19,098 We know he always had something up his sleeve. 332 00:18:19,265 --> 00:18:21,850 He was more irreverent. He was more hip-- 333 00:18:22,018 --> 00:18:23,602 very hip, very cool. 334 00:18:23,769 --> 00:18:25,854 "A bucket of blood" is a really good example of parody 335 00:18:26,022 --> 00:18:28,399 of the hip scene, the beat scene in la. 336 00:18:28,566 --> 00:18:30,859 Walter, you've done something to me, 337 00:18:31,027 --> 00:18:34,113 something deep down inside of my prana. 338 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:35,948 I have? 339 00:18:36,115 --> 00:18:38,575 Oh, Walter, i want to be with you. 340 00:18:38,743 --> 00:18:40,202 You're creative. 341 00:18:40,369 --> 00:18:42,954 Almost all of Roger's pictures has a little edge to them. 342 00:18:43,122 --> 00:18:45,916 They were-- they just bordered on 343 00:18:46,083 --> 00:18:49,961 something sacrosanct, that you shouldn't touch this, 344 00:18:50,129 --> 00:18:52,089 and he did it anyway. 345 00:18:52,256 --> 00:18:54,967 And that's usually what pulled the picture through. 346 00:18:55,968 --> 00:18:57,177 Feed me. 347 00:18:57,345 --> 00:18:59,430 I'm sorry, pal. I'm fresh out of blood. 348 00:18:59,597 --> 00:19:00,681 Talk to somebody else. 349 00:19:00,848 --> 00:19:02,266 I'm hungry. 350 00:19:02,433 --> 00:19:04,184 I don't care what you are. 351 00:19:04,352 --> 00:19:07,480 Can't you see I'm knocked out? I just killed a man. 352 00:19:07,647 --> 00:19:08,981 I'm a murderer. 353 00:19:09,148 --> 00:19:10,732 He was always pushing. 354 00:19:10,900 --> 00:19:13,152 Roger's idea at the time 355 00:19:13,319 --> 00:19:15,654 was to cut down the time of shooting. 356 00:19:15,821 --> 00:19:17,948 So now his ambition 357 00:19:18,115 --> 00:19:20,200 was to make a film in two days. 358 00:19:20,368 --> 00:19:23,454 Now no novocain. It dulls the senses. 359 00:19:23,621 --> 00:19:26,123 Haze: It was work. I mean, we would get there early in the morning 360 00:19:26,290 --> 00:19:29,001 and we'd just start grinding out these scenes. 361 00:19:29,168 --> 00:19:30,878 One day was half the movie. 362 00:19:33,464 --> 00:19:36,175 Oh, my god, don't stop now. 363 00:19:36,342 --> 00:19:38,344 Roger had borrowed all the dental equipment 364 00:19:38,511 --> 00:19:40,346 from his personal dentist 365 00:19:40,513 --> 00:19:42,681 and they hadn't bolted it down to the floor. 366 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,188 We banged into this big dental shit and it started to fall over. 367 00:19:50,356 --> 00:19:52,816 And Roger cut the camera and ran out 368 00:19:52,983 --> 00:19:54,818 and saved the dental equipment. 369 00:19:54,985 --> 00:19:57,904 To hell with the scene. 370 00:19:58,072 --> 00:20:01,658 I can truly say I've never enjoyed myself so much. 371 00:20:01,826 --> 00:20:04,578 Nicholson: I'd have terrible experiences going into the theater 372 00:20:04,745 --> 00:20:07,330 with movies that I had made in that period with Roger, 373 00:20:07,498 --> 00:20:10,626 'cause, you know, they were kind of-- a lot of them were grim. 374 00:20:10,793 --> 00:20:14,046 - Bye. - Bye now. 375 00:20:15,047 --> 00:20:18,675 By mistake he actually made a good picture every once in a while. 376 00:20:18,843 --> 00:20:20,553 I was never in it, 377 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,056 but that was as much my fault as the next guy's. 378 00:20:35,818 --> 00:20:37,694 Corman: By the beginning of the '60s 379 00:20:37,862 --> 00:20:41,824 I began to have confidence in my ability 380 00:20:41,991 --> 00:20:45,077 to master the craft. 381 00:20:45,244 --> 00:20:47,829 At least 382 00:20:47,997 --> 00:20:51,125 she has found peace now. 383 00:20:51,292 --> 00:20:52,876 Has she? 384 00:20:53,043 --> 00:20:54,753 Jonathan demme: We'd never miss a poe movie. 385 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,214 They were riveting and stylish 386 00:20:58,382 --> 00:21:00,384 and hip and funny. 387 00:21:08,893 --> 00:21:10,853 And we couldn't wait for the next one. 388 00:21:11,020 --> 00:21:12,771 And of course with Roger, you didn't have to wait very long. 389 00:21:12,938 --> 00:21:14,773 The next one was gonna come out, like, a month later. 390 00:21:14,940 --> 00:21:18,109 Do you know where you are, bartolome? 391 00:21:19,111 --> 00:21:21,404 The pit 392 00:21:21,572 --> 00:21:22,990 and the pendulum. 393 00:21:23,157 --> 00:21:26,034 Howard: The poe movies were huge for me, 394 00:21:26,202 --> 00:21:27,578 especially "the pit and the pendulum." 395 00:21:27,745 --> 00:21:29,621 They had this TV campaign 396 00:21:29,789 --> 00:21:33,125 where the blade was coming down, you know, and just kind of-- whew. 397 00:21:33,292 --> 00:21:36,378 And, oh, my god, it was-- and I rushed. 398 00:21:36,545 --> 00:21:39,089 In fact, that's probably the first time that a TV campaign 399 00:21:39,256 --> 00:21:41,299 made me go to the movie. 400 00:21:45,930 --> 00:21:47,306 They were so successful, 401 00:21:47,473 --> 00:21:50,142 I ended up making six Edgar Allan poe films. 402 00:21:52,186 --> 00:21:53,562 Scorsese: The artistry of the films 403 00:21:53,729 --> 00:21:55,856 really developed into the poe pictures: 404 00:21:56,023 --> 00:21:57,649 "The house of Usher," "the pit and the pendulum," 405 00:21:57,817 --> 00:22:00,194 and "the tomb of ligeia," which is my favorite. 406 00:22:00,361 --> 00:22:02,905 She desecrates the earth in which she lies. 407 00:22:13,415 --> 00:22:15,917 A nervous contraction, 408 00:22:16,085 --> 00:22:17,795 nothing more. 409 00:22:17,962 --> 00:22:19,505 Scorsese: He was a name that we'd go like-- 410 00:22:19,672 --> 00:22:20,923 I must say like a Hitchcock film. 411 00:22:21,090 --> 00:22:22,341 We'd go see a Roger corman. 412 00:22:22,508 --> 00:22:24,176 Corman: They wanted me to make more, 413 00:22:24,343 --> 00:22:27,596 but by that time I said, "enough. I'm starting to repeat myself." 414 00:22:27,763 --> 00:22:30,682 We played it for a little bit of humor in some of the later pictures, 415 00:22:30,850 --> 00:22:32,518 particularly "the raven." 416 00:22:32,685 --> 00:22:34,812 Nicholson: I was doing "the raven." 417 00:22:37,356 --> 00:22:40,317 And he said, "Jack, look, these sets 418 00:22:40,484 --> 00:22:42,694 are gonna be up over the weekend, 419 00:22:42,862 --> 00:22:46,115 so I can use the same sets for free. 420 00:22:46,282 --> 00:22:48,993 I'm gonna have somebody write something." 421 00:22:49,159 --> 00:22:50,535 And he went and he got a guy who wrote 422 00:22:50,703 --> 00:22:53,288 68 pages of just dialogue. 423 00:22:53,455 --> 00:22:56,875 To this day, no one knows the plot of "the terror." 424 00:22:57,042 --> 00:23:00,003 It was very strange. I mean, we played the weirdest characters. 425 00:23:00,170 --> 00:23:03,464 I played a guy that was an assistant to a witch. 426 00:23:03,632 --> 00:23:06,217 In the beginning of the film, I'm a deaf-mute. 427 00:23:06,385 --> 00:23:08,553 And then halfway through the film, they decided 428 00:23:08,721 --> 00:23:10,347 that they didn't have an ending for the film. 429 00:23:10,514 --> 00:23:11,890 They'd better make me talk. 430 00:23:12,057 --> 00:23:14,184 I can say no more. There is great danger. 431 00:23:14,351 --> 00:23:16,895 Find Eric. Eric knows. 432 00:23:17,062 --> 00:23:19,564 Haze: Dick played a livery Butler 433 00:23:19,732 --> 00:23:21,066 with a New York accent. 434 00:23:21,233 --> 00:23:23,235 Nicholson: And you'll see in the picture now-- 435 00:23:23,402 --> 00:23:26,405 god forbid, I don't want to encourage anyone to see it-- 436 00:23:26,572 --> 00:23:29,324 I throw dick Miller up against this door. 437 00:23:29,491 --> 00:23:30,533 Where's the baron? 438 00:23:30,701 --> 00:23:32,786 We must get to him. He's locked himself in the crypt. 439 00:23:32,953 --> 00:23:35,372 And dick Miller now tries to explain 440 00:23:35,539 --> 00:23:38,291 the entire picture in one speech. 441 00:23:38,459 --> 00:23:40,961 The baron did return that night to find Eric with the baroness 442 00:23:41,128 --> 00:23:42,254 and he did kill her. 443 00:23:42,421 --> 00:23:43,839 But there was a struggle, and in the fight 444 00:23:44,006 --> 00:23:45,966 it was not Eric who died, but the baron. 445 00:23:46,133 --> 00:23:47,425 I killed the baron. 446 00:23:47,593 --> 00:23:49,928 It's the only film that I'd defy anybody to-- 447 00:23:50,095 --> 00:23:52,806 'cause there is-- there's no story actually arrived at. 448 00:23:52,973 --> 00:23:55,225 Corman: Various directors shot the film. 449 00:23:55,392 --> 00:23:58,937 Francis coppola started and shot some sequences at big sur, 450 00:23:59,104 --> 00:24:01,523 but then got an opportunity at a major studio. 451 00:24:01,690 --> 00:24:04,442 So I had monte hellman shoot for a while. 452 00:24:04,610 --> 00:24:06,737 Monte then got another job 453 00:24:06,904 --> 00:24:09,323 and I think-- 454 00:24:09,490 --> 00:24:10,866 I've forgotten all the directors. 455 00:24:11,033 --> 00:24:12,451 There were four or five directors, 456 00:24:12,618 --> 00:24:15,537 including finally Jack Nicholson shot some scenes himself. 457 00:24:15,704 --> 00:24:17,664 And eventually i went in for an hour 458 00:24:17,831 --> 00:24:20,959 and shot the final tie-in shots and finished the picture. 459 00:24:21,126 --> 00:24:23,628 It is a somewhat confusing picture. 460 00:24:37,017 --> 00:24:38,893 Oh, man, god. 461 00:24:39,061 --> 00:24:42,189 Hopeless, all of it. 462 00:24:42,356 --> 00:24:46,856 I think he wanted to be taken seriously as a filmmaker 463 00:24:47,152 --> 00:24:48,987 because up until then he'd been making 464 00:24:49,154 --> 00:24:51,197 monster movies and Sci-Fi movies. 465 00:24:51,365 --> 00:24:55,327 Perhaps it's not so much that he wanted critical acclaim, 466 00:24:55,494 --> 00:24:59,206 but he wanted some depth, some feeling, 467 00:24:59,373 --> 00:25:01,500 some reason for making a movie. 468 00:25:01,667 --> 00:25:04,044 I wanted to do something a little bit different. 469 00:25:04,211 --> 00:25:06,087 And I'd read the book "the lntruder," 470 00:25:06,255 --> 00:25:09,383 which was about the integration of the schools in the south. 471 00:25:09,550 --> 00:25:11,510 And I wanted to make that picture. 472 00:25:11,677 --> 00:25:15,305 I was very much in favor of integration. 473 00:25:15,472 --> 00:25:18,183 I showed the screenplay to American international 474 00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:20,226 and said, "this will be my next picture." 475 00:25:20,394 --> 00:25:23,855 To my real surprise, they said they didn't want to make it. 476 00:25:24,023 --> 00:25:25,858 And they'd never said no. 477 00:25:26,025 --> 00:25:29,028 I took it to allied artists. They said no. 478 00:25:29,194 --> 00:25:31,863 Everybody said no, so I said, "all right, I'll make it myself." 479 00:25:32,031 --> 00:25:35,409 So my brother and i produced it in the south. 480 00:25:36,785 --> 00:25:39,704 "He was a leader of men, but he was evil. 481 00:25:39,872 --> 00:25:42,165 He was a stranger, but he brought lust and love, 482 00:25:42,332 --> 00:25:44,834 rape and hate to this quiet Southern town. 483 00:25:45,002 --> 00:25:46,753 He was the intruder." 484 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,298 This is not the reason we made this film. 485 00:25:50,466 --> 00:25:53,677 It is the exact opposite 486 00:25:53,844 --> 00:25:56,555 of what we intended this film to be. 487 00:25:56,722 --> 00:26:00,684 It was not and is not an exploitation film. 488 00:26:00,851 --> 00:26:04,563 This picture was the first film that Roger could actually make 489 00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:06,773 a statement about his personal feelings 490 00:26:06,940 --> 00:26:09,233 as opposed to doing the poe films 491 00:26:09,401 --> 00:26:12,737 or the films that were just exploitation, drive-in films. 492 00:26:14,782 --> 00:26:16,909 Corman: Playing the lead was the new young actor 493 00:26:17,076 --> 00:26:20,079 making his first film-- bill shatner. 494 00:26:20,245 --> 00:26:23,873 All I knew was that it was a wonderful part 495 00:26:24,041 --> 00:26:26,334 and it was a wonderful opportunity for me 496 00:26:26,502 --> 00:26:28,587 at an early point in my career. 497 00:26:28,754 --> 00:26:31,131 The character I played was based on a real person. 498 00:26:31,298 --> 00:26:34,092 He was a white supremacist from New York City 499 00:26:34,259 --> 00:26:38,304 and went down into the south to rabble-rouse 500 00:26:38,472 --> 00:26:42,767 and tries to stop the integration of a school. 501 00:26:42,935 --> 00:26:46,730 I mean, they've got 10 niggers enrolled already in the school. 502 00:26:46,897 --> 00:26:48,523 And they're starting Monday. 503 00:26:48,690 --> 00:26:51,109 Yes, I know. Do you think it's right? 504 00:26:51,276 --> 00:26:52,986 No, I sure don't. 505 00:26:53,153 --> 00:26:54,612 Neither does nobody. 506 00:26:54,780 --> 00:26:56,156 But it's the law. 507 00:26:56,323 --> 00:26:58,074 Whose law? 508 00:26:58,242 --> 00:27:01,286 Shatner: What is difficult for people to understand now-- 509 00:27:01,453 --> 00:27:05,415 "separate but equal" was the law of the land. 510 00:27:05,582 --> 00:27:07,667 That meant water fountains, 511 00:27:07,835 --> 00:27:09,795 that meant restaurants, 512 00:27:09,962 --> 00:27:11,463 it meant schools 513 00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:14,215 that were totally segregated. 514 00:27:14,383 --> 00:27:17,761 It was the height of the integration wars. 515 00:27:20,639 --> 00:27:23,475 It became very apparent once we were down there 516 00:27:23,642 --> 00:27:26,478 that people held polar opposite views 517 00:27:26,645 --> 00:27:28,313 of what was right and what was wrong. 518 00:27:30,315 --> 00:27:32,191 Man: Take it easy, nigger. You're not going anywhere. 519 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:33,985 - Driver: What's the trouble? - Are you looking for trouble? 520 00:27:34,153 --> 00:27:35,737 No, sir. We're on our way to the house. 521 00:27:35,904 --> 00:27:37,155 "Just on our way to the house." 522 00:27:37,322 --> 00:27:40,158 I didn't tell people what the subject matter is, 523 00:27:40,325 --> 00:27:42,785 but the title-- "lntruder," you know. 524 00:27:42,953 --> 00:27:45,789 And with the track record of Roger, all the films, 525 00:27:45,956 --> 00:27:48,541 I mean, they naturally thought it was a horror film 526 00:27:48,709 --> 00:27:50,669 or something in that genre. 527 00:27:50,836 --> 00:27:55,336 It was only as everything started to unfold 528 00:27:55,507 --> 00:27:58,051 and they saw exactly what was happening-- 529 00:27:58,218 --> 00:28:00,637 I mean, people were driving us out of locations. 530 00:28:00,804 --> 00:28:02,680 We had to change motels. 531 00:28:02,848 --> 00:28:05,475 I mean, it got to be very heavy down there. 532 00:28:05,642 --> 00:28:08,686 Hey, are you really gonna make him go to the white school tomorrow? 533 00:28:08,854 --> 00:28:10,939 Why, I'm not making him go. 534 00:28:11,106 --> 00:28:12,482 Am I, Joey? 535 00:28:12,649 --> 00:28:15,360 - No, ma. - Well, it's too bad I ain't old enough. 536 00:28:15,527 --> 00:28:17,320 I wouldn't be scared, that's all. 537 00:28:17,487 --> 00:28:18,571 Who's scared? 538 00:28:18,739 --> 00:28:20,615 We were having our lives threatened 539 00:28:20,782 --> 00:28:23,117 to make a film about integration. 540 00:28:23,285 --> 00:28:27,497 Roger displayed such courage under fire. 541 00:28:27,664 --> 00:28:30,166 And gene corman, his brother-- 542 00:28:30,334 --> 00:28:32,419 such courage to make the film. 543 00:28:32,586 --> 00:28:34,462 There was such animosity 544 00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:37,382 and the experience of hatred 545 00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:41,219 that I think we realized we had a bigger problem. 546 00:28:41,386 --> 00:28:43,721 I think we were more naive 547 00:28:43,889 --> 00:28:47,058 than we should have been at that point in time. 548 00:28:47,226 --> 00:28:50,354 You were alone with a white girl 549 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,772 in the basement of the school, 550 00:28:52,940 --> 00:28:55,442 but you didn't try to do anything? 551 00:28:55,609 --> 00:28:58,695 Is that what you expect us to believe, nigger? 552 00:28:58,862 --> 00:29:01,573 Well, speak up! 553 00:29:02,991 --> 00:29:05,743 Gene: We felt we should definitely expose our audience 554 00:29:05,911 --> 00:29:07,412 to this kind of material, 555 00:29:07,579 --> 00:29:10,248 because this is what was going on in America 556 00:29:10,415 --> 00:29:12,625 and somebody had to say, "stop. 557 00:29:12,793 --> 00:29:15,253 This is not the American way." 558 00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:18,256 It was a lie-- everything, 559 00:29:18,423 --> 00:29:21,717 everything I said about Joey, all of it. 560 00:29:26,223 --> 00:29:29,100 You were gonna kill this boy. You know it and I know it. 561 00:29:29,268 --> 00:29:32,187 Shatner: Making films is a dedication. 562 00:29:32,354 --> 00:29:34,105 You have to be possessed. 563 00:29:34,273 --> 00:29:36,233 At some point there, i realized 564 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,111 that they had mortgaged their home for that film. 565 00:29:39,278 --> 00:29:42,197 That, perhaps, was the most admirable thing of all, 566 00:29:42,364 --> 00:29:44,699 because it's one thing to be cavalier 567 00:29:44,866 --> 00:29:46,742 about spending money that isn't yours, 568 00:29:46,910 --> 00:29:50,663 but to be so adamant 569 00:29:50,831 --> 00:29:55,331 as to put your house on the line, 570 00:29:55,711 --> 00:29:58,004 that's-- that's extraordinary. 571 00:29:58,171 --> 00:30:00,173 We aren't gonna give up now, 572 00:30:00,340 --> 00:30:02,175 not now. 573 00:30:02,342 --> 00:30:04,510 No, sir, not ever. 574 00:30:08,015 --> 00:30:11,518 Gene: I'd set up the sneak preview with pacific theaters. 575 00:30:11,685 --> 00:30:14,312 It was almost a riot in the theater. 576 00:30:14,479 --> 00:30:17,148 People were screaming, "communist!" 577 00:30:17,316 --> 00:30:18,775 And one of the ushers 578 00:30:18,942 --> 00:30:20,777 or one of the people who worked at the theater 579 00:30:20,944 --> 00:30:22,820 came up to me, pinned me against the wall, 580 00:30:22,988 --> 00:30:26,616 said, "you're a communist. You don't belong in this country." 581 00:30:26,783 --> 00:30:30,953 The picture was a wonderful commercial 582 00:30:31,121 --> 00:30:32,914 failure. 583 00:30:33,081 --> 00:30:36,626 I started to say "a wonderful critical success," 584 00:30:36,793 --> 00:30:38,127 but I got confused. 585 00:30:38,295 --> 00:30:42,795 But I'll leave the confusion there because it's all wound up in my mind. 586 00:30:42,966 --> 00:30:46,844 It sort of gets me in the stomach when I talk about it. 587 00:30:47,012 --> 00:30:49,681 Gene: This is the only film 588 00:30:49,848 --> 00:30:51,975 that I don't think we ever made money on. 589 00:30:52,142 --> 00:30:55,353 And yet it was our best film. We were ahead of the time. 590 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,649 It made me rethink my method of making pictures. 591 00:30:59,816 --> 00:31:02,360 And I felt the public 592 00:31:02,527 --> 00:31:06,614 really is the ultimate arbiter 593 00:31:06,782 --> 00:31:08,909 of your film. 594 00:31:09,076 --> 00:31:12,037 If there's something you really want to do-- 595 00:31:12,204 --> 00:31:14,331 in Roger's case it's making movies-- 596 00:31:14,498 --> 00:31:16,041 then you keep on doing it. 597 00:31:16,208 --> 00:31:18,877 Every time you fail, you just keep on. 598 00:31:19,044 --> 00:31:21,087 Corman: I thought, "i should go back 599 00:31:21,254 --> 00:31:23,339 to a more commercial type of film." 600 00:31:23,507 --> 00:31:26,885 I was starting to learn method acting technique. 601 00:31:27,052 --> 00:31:30,055 There was what was known as the text and the subtext. 602 00:31:30,222 --> 00:31:32,390 The text is the written script, 603 00:31:32,557 --> 00:31:34,267 what you were saying. 604 00:31:34,434 --> 00:31:36,769 The subtext is what you mean, 605 00:31:36,937 --> 00:31:38,813 what you really feel, 606 00:31:38,980 --> 00:31:41,399 that causes you to say these words. 607 00:31:41,566 --> 00:31:43,401 And I felt 608 00:31:43,568 --> 00:31:47,613 I should make my subject matter the text, 609 00:31:47,781 --> 00:31:50,283 which will be a commercial text, 610 00:31:50,450 --> 00:31:52,702 but my theme, 611 00:31:52,869 --> 00:31:54,954 my message, what is important to me, 612 00:31:55,122 --> 00:31:57,082 should be the subtext, 613 00:31:57,249 --> 00:31:59,834 so the audience will get what they paid their money to see. 614 00:32:00,001 --> 00:32:04,255 I think he consciously was looking 615 00:32:04,423 --> 00:32:08,802 to contemporary events, news, 616 00:32:08,969 --> 00:32:11,805 for inspiration for material to make a movie. 617 00:32:11,972 --> 00:32:14,349 Corman: Aip said, "all right, what do you want to make?" 618 00:32:14,516 --> 00:32:17,101 I said, "there's a phenomenon in the country right now-- 619 00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:20,230 the hells angels, the outlaw motorcycle gangs. 620 00:32:20,397 --> 00:32:23,400 I want to make a picture about the hells angels." 621 00:32:23,567 --> 00:32:26,111 And they agreed instantly. 622 00:32:27,487 --> 00:32:31,032 Peter bogdanovich: Roger offered me $125 a week 623 00:32:31,199 --> 00:32:35,244 to work as his assistant on the picture. 624 00:32:35,412 --> 00:32:39,582 And he said I could take Polly with me. 625 00:32:39,749 --> 00:32:43,377 His reputation was, you know, complicated, 626 00:32:43,545 --> 00:32:45,797 because I kept hearing that he was a millionaire. 627 00:32:45,964 --> 00:32:48,091 And I thought he was pretty eccentric, you know, 628 00:32:48,258 --> 00:32:49,884 'cause he didn't live like a millionaire. 629 00:32:50,051 --> 00:32:53,137 But I had little interest in his movies, to be honest, 630 00:32:53,305 --> 00:32:55,849 because I was a big snob and I only liked Fritz lang 631 00:32:56,016 --> 00:32:57,642 and Howard hawks and John Ford. 632 00:32:57,809 --> 00:33:00,102 The star of the picture was George chakiris 633 00:33:00,270 --> 00:33:02,272 who'd won an Oscar for "westside story." 634 00:33:05,025 --> 00:33:06,860 The phone rang in my house here 635 00:33:07,027 --> 00:33:10,238 in Los Angeles, in Beverly hills, and it was Roger. 636 00:33:10,405 --> 00:33:11,781 He said, "we have a problem." 637 00:33:11,948 --> 00:33:14,951 I said, "George can't ride." He said, "how do you know?" 638 00:33:15,118 --> 00:33:17,745 I said, "because I know George. He can dance, but he can't ride. 639 00:33:17,913 --> 00:33:20,081 You need a biker." "Do you ride?" 640 00:33:20,248 --> 00:33:23,167 I said, "oh, yeah, Roger, I ride. 641 00:33:23,335 --> 00:33:24,919 I'll do it." 642 00:33:25,086 --> 00:33:26,504 I said, "who's gonna play my part?" 643 00:33:26,671 --> 00:33:28,547 He said, "Bruce dern." I said, "great. I know dernsy." 644 00:33:28,715 --> 00:33:30,842 Bruce dern: We just had, like, eight actors, 645 00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:33,636 and the rest were all extras. 646 00:33:33,803 --> 00:33:36,847 But the extras made the movie, because they had the machines 647 00:33:37,015 --> 00:33:38,683 and they were what the movie was about. 648 00:33:38,850 --> 00:33:40,685 And they were real hells angels guys. 649 00:33:40,852 --> 00:33:42,854 They were terrible. They were frightening. 650 00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:44,856 Dern: We all rode our bikes 651 00:33:45,023 --> 00:33:47,108 down the 2, in the desert. 652 00:33:47,275 --> 00:33:49,151 And he filmed it along the way. 653 00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:52,030 But he didn't get a police escort or anything like that. 654 00:33:52,197 --> 00:33:54,991 He got no permits. We just did it. 655 00:33:55,158 --> 00:33:58,244 It was the beginning of what you know now 656 00:33:58,411 --> 00:34:01,038 as real guerilla filmmaking. 657 00:34:01,206 --> 00:34:04,834 You know, Roger's a guy who's not gonna miss an opportunity 658 00:34:05,001 --> 00:34:07,878 to take advantage of every single thing he can shoot. 659 00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:10,256 At one point, there was supposed to be a kind of a fight 660 00:34:10,423 --> 00:34:14,135 between the hells angels and the townies. 661 00:34:14,302 --> 00:34:16,178 We didn't have enough townies, so Roger turns to me 662 00:34:16,346 --> 00:34:19,182 and he says, "you run in there, be a townie." 663 00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:22,894 So I run in, and within seconds, 664 00:34:23,061 --> 00:34:26,105 the angels were beating the shit out of me. 665 00:34:29,693 --> 00:34:31,611 All I did was go right down to the ground 666 00:34:31,778 --> 00:34:34,238 and just prayed for "cut!" 667 00:34:34,406 --> 00:34:37,909 Dem: When work was over, you never saw Roger. 668 00:34:38,076 --> 00:34:41,829 He didn't go to dinner. He didn't-- you didn't know what he did. 669 00:34:41,997 --> 00:34:45,000 As close as we were to him on that picture, 670 00:34:45,166 --> 00:34:47,251 and we were literally his only friends-- 671 00:34:47,419 --> 00:34:49,295 I mean, not that nobody liked him, 672 00:34:49,462 --> 00:34:53,632 but he was just-- didn't reach out toward friendship. 673 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,594 And he remained mysterious. 674 00:34:56,761 --> 00:34:58,637 But tell me, 675 00:34:58,805 --> 00:35:01,265 just what is it that you want to do? 676 00:35:03,810 --> 00:35:05,686 Well, we want to be free. 677 00:35:05,854 --> 00:35:08,439 We want to be free to do what we want to do. 678 00:35:08,607 --> 00:35:10,942 We want to be free to ride. 679 00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:12,735 We want to be free to ride our machines 680 00:35:12,902 --> 00:35:14,778 without being hassled by the man. 681 00:35:14,946 --> 00:35:17,615 And we want to get loaded. 682 00:35:17,782 --> 00:35:19,617 - Crowd: Yeah! - Man: I second the motion. 683 00:35:19,784 --> 00:35:21,786 Dern: I remember asking him, 684 00:35:21,953 --> 00:35:25,331 oh, about the third or fourth day of the "wild angels"-- 685 00:35:25,498 --> 00:35:28,834 I said, "how many of these things have you done?" 686 00:35:29,002 --> 00:35:31,462 He said, "this is my 100th." 687 00:35:34,507 --> 00:35:36,634 This is 42 years ago, 688 00:35:36,801 --> 00:35:40,262 and this was his 100th movie he directed. 689 00:35:40,430 --> 00:35:42,849 Oh, my god. 690 00:35:43,016 --> 00:35:46,185 The film was really an incredible success. 691 00:35:46,353 --> 00:35:49,022 It was the biggest-grossing independent film 692 00:35:49,189 --> 00:35:51,024 ever made at that time. 693 00:35:51,191 --> 00:35:53,318 Bogdanovich: "The wild angels" was a tremendous success. 694 00:35:53,485 --> 00:35:55,195 It was a huge hit. 695 00:35:55,362 --> 00:35:58,156 It galvanized the whole underground culture. 696 00:35:58,323 --> 00:36:00,742 Dern: And that changed his persona 697 00:36:00,909 --> 00:36:04,996 and changed the perception of Peter Fonda. 698 00:36:05,163 --> 00:36:06,956 I thought, "this is wonderful. 699 00:36:07,123 --> 00:36:10,000 This is saving me from becoming the next Dean Jones for Disney," 700 00:36:10,168 --> 00:36:13,004 which is what my agents thought-- that I should be that. 701 00:36:13,171 --> 00:36:15,631 Roger felt that i had helped him 702 00:36:15,799 --> 00:36:17,842 and contributed something to it. 703 00:36:18,009 --> 00:36:19,719 And he called me and he said, 704 00:36:19,886 --> 00:36:21,721 "would you like to direct your own picture?" 705 00:36:21,888 --> 00:36:24,557 And I said, "yes." He said, "all right. 706 00:36:24,724 --> 00:36:26,851 We have a Russian science fiction picture. 707 00:36:27,018 --> 00:36:29,186 And aip will buy it, but they won't buy it 708 00:36:29,354 --> 00:36:31,147 unless I put some women in it. 709 00:36:31,314 --> 00:36:35,318 There's no women in it. It's all men walking around Venus." 710 00:36:35,485 --> 00:36:37,528 "But what am I supposed to do, Roger?" 711 00:36:37,696 --> 00:36:40,532 He said, "look at the picture and just decide where to put the women." 712 00:36:40,699 --> 00:36:42,867 "Okay, sure." 713 00:36:43,034 --> 00:36:45,870 "We've got mamie Van doren and she'll be one of the women. 714 00:36:46,037 --> 00:36:48,247 Get a couple of other women and just put them in the picture. 715 00:36:48,415 --> 00:36:50,291 And no sound. Don't write any dialogue. 716 00:36:50,458 --> 00:36:52,042 I don't want to pay for sound." 717 00:36:52,210 --> 00:36:55,046 And I had to explain to mamie that there would be no dialogue. 718 00:36:55,213 --> 00:36:56,631 She said, "then what do we do?" 719 00:36:56,798 --> 00:36:59,425 I said, "you look meaningfully at one of the other girls. 720 00:36:59,592 --> 00:37:01,760 And then the other girl will immediately react. 721 00:37:01,928 --> 00:37:03,721 So you look at her and the other girl goes... 722 00:37:03,888 --> 00:37:05,890 And goes." 723 00:37:06,057 --> 00:37:08,976 "Telepathy, mamie-- it's telepathy." 724 00:37:11,438 --> 00:37:13,731 We cut this thing together, 725 00:37:13,898 --> 00:37:15,566 screened it for Jim Nicholson and he said, 726 00:37:15,734 --> 00:37:17,777 "what the fuck is this about? 727 00:37:19,070 --> 00:37:21,572 What are they doing? They keep looking and then the other--" 728 00:37:21,740 --> 00:37:23,324 "lt's telepathy, Jim." 729 00:37:23,491 --> 00:37:25,784 "Lt's bullshit." He says, "i don't know what--" 730 00:37:25,952 --> 00:37:27,745 Roger says, "you have to put voices in." 731 00:37:27,912 --> 00:37:30,789 Meriama, wearie... 732 00:37:30,957 --> 00:37:34,293 Bogdanovich: "Go get the shells." "Yes." 733 00:37:34,461 --> 00:37:37,672 Ptera is a false god. 734 00:37:39,424 --> 00:37:41,926 Roger is the kind of person who says-- 735 00:37:42,093 --> 00:37:43,594 "do you know how to swim?" "No-ii 736 00:37:43,762 --> 00:37:46,264 and throws you in the water. And if you learn to swim 737 00:37:46,431 --> 00:37:49,267 because you don't want to drown, you're fine. 738 00:37:49,434 --> 00:37:51,769 And if you drown, that's the end of that. 739 00:37:54,397 --> 00:37:56,273 Doel: I think he was alert 740 00:37:56,441 --> 00:38:00,153 that this was a time when things were beginning to change. 741 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,947 Certainly there weren't movies being made 742 00:38:03,114 --> 00:38:06,075 reflecting the changes in the thinking of young people. 743 00:38:06,242 --> 00:38:08,410 And I think that Roger was alert to that. 744 00:38:08,578 --> 00:38:12,915 What was going on really was revolutionary. 745 00:38:15,251 --> 00:38:18,087 I smoked pot at work. 746 00:38:18,254 --> 00:38:21,799 - Doel: Sex, drugs, rock 'n' roll. - It was blowing up. 747 00:38:21,966 --> 00:38:23,634 Doel: Vietnam. 748 00:38:25,512 --> 00:38:28,473 Platt: I thought it was the end of America. 749 00:38:31,810 --> 00:38:35,146 Dern: I looked at this guy in a cardigan sweater 750 00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:38,316 talking about mayhem in the streets. 751 00:38:40,568 --> 00:38:43,153 I was probably the straightest guy 752 00:38:43,321 --> 00:38:45,156 in a fairly wild movement. 753 00:38:45,323 --> 00:38:49,118 Doel: His political views were becoming increasingly left, 754 00:38:49,285 --> 00:38:51,829 as he said at the time, "almost communist," 755 00:38:51,996 --> 00:38:53,372 which always makes me laugh, 756 00:38:53,540 --> 00:38:55,250 because of course i don't buy that for a minute, 757 00:38:55,416 --> 00:38:58,127 but I understand what he means. 758 00:39:09,138 --> 00:39:12,015 For someone who seems so square on the outside, 759 00:39:12,183 --> 00:39:15,352 he was actually a very interesting, cool, hip director. 760 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,647 I may have felt at the beginning of the '60s 761 00:39:17,814 --> 00:39:20,691 that I was an underdog, but as we got into the '60s, 762 00:39:20,859 --> 00:39:23,194 I thought, "hey, I'm with the new movement." 763 00:39:25,238 --> 00:39:28,282 Nicholson: By now Roger and I are in sync. 764 00:39:28,449 --> 00:39:30,909 Hey, the man's supporting my whole life. 765 00:39:31,077 --> 00:39:32,995 How could I not be in sync with him? 766 00:39:33,162 --> 00:39:36,748 He asked me to write "the wild angels," 767 00:39:36,916 --> 00:39:39,960 'cause I was writing by then. 768 00:39:40,128 --> 00:39:42,547 I said, "Roger, you know, we're pals in this. 769 00:39:42,714 --> 00:39:45,883 Can't you just pay me a little more than scale?" 770 00:39:46,050 --> 00:39:48,969 If he'd just said, "all right, scale plus $5," 771 00:39:49,137 --> 00:39:50,596 I would have relaxed. 772 00:39:50,763 --> 00:39:53,849 No. And I didn't write it. 773 00:39:54,017 --> 00:39:58,062 To write "the trip," though, he finally said, "all right." 774 00:40:06,529 --> 00:40:09,782 Cut. It's good here. How was it for second camera? 775 00:40:09,949 --> 00:40:11,867 - Man: Fine here. - Okay, print it. 776 00:40:12,035 --> 00:40:16,414 Corman: When I decided to make "the trip" about LSD, 777 00:40:16,581 --> 00:40:20,084 I felt as a director i cannot make a film about LSD 778 00:40:20,251 --> 00:40:22,253 without trying LSD. 779 00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:25,339 Initially the idea was that 780 00:40:25,506 --> 00:40:28,258 I would take notes on Roger's trip. 781 00:40:28,426 --> 00:40:30,302 I think he believed that he would be able 782 00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:33,598 to coherently dictate notes to me. 783 00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:37,560 How high are you, man? Can you tell that? 784 00:40:37,727 --> 00:40:39,937 Listen, I think-- 785 00:40:42,065 --> 00:40:43,816 I'm afraid. 786 00:40:44,943 --> 00:40:47,028 There's nothing to be afraid of, man. 787 00:40:47,195 --> 00:40:51,115 I had had a wonderful trip, a spectacular trip. 788 00:40:51,282 --> 00:40:54,785 I felt, to be fair, I had to have some experiences 789 00:40:54,953 --> 00:40:57,538 of people who'd had bad trips. 790 00:40:57,705 --> 00:41:00,791 Luckily, Jack Nicholson was a very good writer 791 00:41:00,959 --> 00:41:02,919 and he knew LSD. 792 00:41:03,086 --> 00:41:04,712 'Cause I was special talent. 793 00:41:04,879 --> 00:41:08,549 Only he and I had actually taken LSD at the point. 794 00:41:08,716 --> 00:41:11,969 I never did it for fun-- too strong. 795 00:41:12,136 --> 00:41:14,763 I mean, a lot of my friends did, but, baby, I mean, 796 00:41:14,931 --> 00:41:19,431 what, you want to confront the face of god literally for fun? 797 00:41:19,769 --> 00:41:21,145 Come on. 798 00:41:21,312 --> 00:41:23,063 I'm Peter Fonda. 799 00:41:23,231 --> 00:41:25,107 We've just finished making a movie 800 00:41:25,274 --> 00:41:28,986 dealing with the most talked-about subject of the day-- LSD. 801 00:41:31,114 --> 00:41:32,698 I honestly believe that it will be 802 00:41:32,865 --> 00:41:34,992 today's most talked-about motion picture. 803 00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:37,369 Nicholson: Roger's a serious moviemaker. 804 00:41:37,537 --> 00:41:40,498 He wanted to make a serious film about LSD, 805 00:41:40,665 --> 00:41:43,000 which had just changed the culture forever, really. 806 00:41:43,167 --> 00:41:45,002 That's what the movie is about. 807 00:41:47,463 --> 00:41:49,840 Scorsese: The artistry of the films really developed. 808 00:41:50,008 --> 00:41:52,010 By the time he did "the trip," he really had a sense 809 00:41:52,176 --> 00:41:54,469 of pushing the power of the image. 810 00:41:54,637 --> 00:41:56,680 What he hit upon in that picture was interesting, 811 00:41:56,848 --> 00:41:59,392 particularly if you see it in the full aspect ratio 812 00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:02,520 because it just cuts through time and space. 813 00:42:02,687 --> 00:42:05,523 It becomes really a beautiful kind of cinematic montage 814 00:42:05,690 --> 00:42:08,025 and achieves a kind of poetry. 815 00:42:11,195 --> 00:42:15,532 Aip were really concerned that this was a pro-drug movie 816 00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:17,827 and they would lose money because of that. 817 00:42:17,994 --> 00:42:20,121 It's easy now. 818 00:42:20,288 --> 00:42:22,665 Wait till tomorrow. 819 00:42:22,832 --> 00:42:25,584 Yeah, well, I'll think about that tomorrow. 820 00:42:25,752 --> 00:42:29,255 Arkoff and Nicholson changed the ending 821 00:42:29,422 --> 00:42:32,258 on the picture without telling Roger. 822 00:42:32,425 --> 00:42:33,884 They froze frame 823 00:42:34,052 --> 00:42:37,555 and did an optical of broken glass on that. 824 00:42:40,433 --> 00:42:42,309 What is power? You understand? 825 00:42:42,477 --> 00:42:44,896 He created these guys. 826 00:42:45,063 --> 00:42:46,939 This set me up, 827 00:42:47,106 --> 00:42:49,149 because in "easy rider," the first thing we do 828 00:42:49,317 --> 00:42:52,820 is we buy junk in Mexico, smuggle it across the border, 829 00:42:52,987 --> 00:42:55,489 get a lot of money, put it in the tank, off we go. 830 00:43:05,083 --> 00:43:08,419 Corman: "Easy rider" came out of my films 831 00:43:08,586 --> 00:43:10,421 "the wild angels" and "the trip." 832 00:43:10,588 --> 00:43:13,173 Peter Fonda starred in both pictures 833 00:43:13,341 --> 00:43:16,177 and Dennis hopper costarred in "the trip." 834 00:43:16,344 --> 00:43:19,138 That whole thing came from Roger to me-- 835 00:43:19,305 --> 00:43:20,681 take the establishment on. 836 00:43:20,848 --> 00:43:22,724 And since they had never made a picture, 837 00:43:22,892 --> 00:43:25,436 they wanted me to be the executive producer. 838 00:43:25,603 --> 00:43:28,564 And I said, "fine." And I took the idea to aip 839 00:43:28,731 --> 00:43:30,274 because "the wild angels" and "the trip" 840 00:43:30,441 --> 00:43:31,775 had been very successful. 841 00:43:31,943 --> 00:43:35,738 And in one unfortunate meeting, 842 00:43:35,905 --> 00:43:39,783 one of the executives at aip said to Dennis, 843 00:43:39,951 --> 00:43:43,829 "lf you fall more than one day behind schedule, 844 00:43:43,996 --> 00:43:46,289 we want the right to replace you." 845 00:43:46,457 --> 00:43:50,169 I could see that Dennis and Peter were really mad. 846 00:43:50,336 --> 00:43:52,338 Fonda: And I said, "i can't put that pressure on hoppy. 847 00:43:52,505 --> 00:43:55,007 That's not fair." And Roger agreed. 848 00:43:55,174 --> 00:43:56,842 Corman: And I said to this executive, 849 00:43:57,009 --> 00:44:00,887 "he worked perfectly with me on 'the trip' 850 00:44:01,055 --> 00:44:03,974 and I am positive he can do this." 851 00:44:04,142 --> 00:44:08,642 And that was not a good thing to say. 852 00:44:10,481 --> 00:44:12,274 A number of things happened 853 00:44:12,441 --> 00:44:14,734 and the picture moved over to Columbia. 854 00:44:14,902 --> 00:44:17,237 And aip and I 855 00:44:17,405 --> 00:44:19,990 lost our percentage of the profits 856 00:44:20,158 --> 00:44:24,658 on one of the most successful independent pictures ever made. 857 00:44:27,206 --> 00:44:29,958 Oh. 858 00:44:30,126 --> 00:44:33,295 Oh, what am I gonna do now? 859 00:44:33,462 --> 00:44:36,506 Nicholson: When I went to cannes with "easy rider"... 860 00:44:36,674 --> 00:44:37,716 Oh, my head. 861 00:44:37,884 --> 00:44:40,094 ...my character came on the screen 862 00:44:40,261 --> 00:44:43,555 and the movie exploded in that audience. 863 00:44:43,723 --> 00:44:46,851 It just went ka-pow like it does in rock 'n' roll. 864 00:44:47,018 --> 00:44:50,938 I'm the only person who ever in real life felt, 865 00:44:51,105 --> 00:44:53,440 "holy shit, 866 00:44:53,608 --> 00:44:55,484 I'm a movie star"-- 867 00:44:55,651 --> 00:44:57,527 do you know what I mean? --And knew. 868 00:44:57,695 --> 00:44:59,321 So that's what the change felt like. 869 00:44:59,488 --> 00:45:01,490 I experienced it right here. 870 00:45:06,495 --> 00:45:09,539 Roger, if you paid me over minimum, 871 00:45:09,707 --> 00:45:11,709 you would have had "easy rider." 872 00:45:15,922 --> 00:45:19,550 Bogdanovich: "Easy rider" was the beginning of the new Hollywood. 873 00:45:19,717 --> 00:45:23,762 It's hard to imagine the new Hollywood 874 00:45:23,930 --> 00:45:25,890 without Roger corman. 875 00:45:26,057 --> 00:45:28,059 So many people started with Roger-- 876 00:45:28,226 --> 00:45:30,561 Francis coppola and Bobby de niro 877 00:45:30,728 --> 00:45:33,897 and Jack Nicholson. And the list goes on and on. 878 00:45:34,065 --> 00:45:36,734 At the end of the '60s Hollywood was so desperate. 879 00:45:36,901 --> 00:45:38,569 They didn't know what to do. 880 00:45:38,736 --> 00:45:40,612 And the young Roger corman alumni 881 00:45:40,780 --> 00:45:43,240 were there to step into the breach. 882 00:45:43,407 --> 00:45:46,243 Dern: Jack's career took off. 883 00:45:46,410 --> 00:45:48,245 And Peter and Dennis got deals 884 00:45:48,412 --> 00:45:50,455 at universal to make their movies. 885 00:45:50,623 --> 00:45:54,960 Well, those are all offshoots of the university of corman. 886 00:45:55,127 --> 00:45:57,087 Roger was in a perfect position, 887 00:45:57,255 --> 00:46:01,092 having discovered and cultivated Francis coppola, bogdanovich, 888 00:46:01,259 --> 00:46:03,302 so many other people like that. 889 00:46:03,469 --> 00:46:05,137 I always wondered why Roger couldn't take 890 00:46:05,304 --> 00:46:07,264 that next step with those guys. 891 00:46:07,431 --> 00:46:10,434 You had to take that leap. You had to go from high school to college 892 00:46:10,601 --> 00:46:12,311 or you had to go from college to grad school. 893 00:46:12,478 --> 00:46:14,980 It was a jump that Roger never really took. 894 00:46:15,147 --> 00:46:16,982 And that's the one place 895 00:46:17,149 --> 00:46:19,276 that Roger left out of his mix. 896 00:46:19,443 --> 00:46:22,779 And that's why he's constantly being insulted 897 00:46:22,947 --> 00:46:26,241 by people calling him the king of the bs, right? 898 00:46:33,916 --> 00:46:35,792 Dante: Roger was never taken seriously. 899 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,838 He was a schlockmeister and a guy who did drive-in movies. 900 00:46:40,006 --> 00:46:41,841 He never really got his due, i don't think. 901 00:46:42,008 --> 00:46:44,635 I mean, even "the lntruder," which is one of his best pictures, 902 00:46:44,802 --> 00:46:47,638 it was a movie that was hardly ever seen anywhere when it came out. 903 00:46:47,805 --> 00:46:50,849 Dern: Every year at the academy awards, 904 00:46:51,017 --> 00:46:54,270 they give out a lifetime achievement award. 905 00:46:54,437 --> 00:46:57,523 How they can not have gotten to Roger corman by now 906 00:46:57,690 --> 00:46:59,566 is disgusting. 907 00:46:59,734 --> 00:47:02,111 And I don't know that they ever will, because they'd say, 908 00:47:02,278 --> 00:47:04,154 "well, what are the great movies he made?" 909 00:47:04,322 --> 00:47:05,990 I guess this proves there are 910 00:47:06,157 --> 00:47:08,159 as many nuts in the academy as anywhere else. 911 00:47:08,326 --> 00:47:10,786 Nicholson: Ls Roger worried about being underappreciated? 912 00:47:10,953 --> 00:47:14,039 If he is, I'm going over there tomorrow night. 913 00:47:20,087 --> 00:47:22,464 Shark! Shark! 914 00:47:28,095 --> 00:47:29,554 Help! 915 00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:33,601 Cut, cut, cut. 916 00:47:34,727 --> 00:47:37,229 Eli roth: Roger corman isn't doing it for the awards. 917 00:47:37,396 --> 00:47:40,732 The fans recognize him. The filmmakers recognize him. 918 00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:42,943 We know who he is and we appreciate him. 919 00:47:43,110 --> 00:47:44,986 And I don't think he needs some statue 920 00:47:45,154 --> 00:47:47,781 from some organization that never liked his movies in the first place 921 00:47:47,948 --> 00:47:49,407 to come out and say, "we love you." 922 00:47:51,827 --> 00:47:55,288 Julie: From my viewpoint, everything is going extremely well. 923 00:47:55,456 --> 00:47:57,833 Observing Roger, however, now 924 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,419 as actor/producer... 925 00:48:00,586 --> 00:48:04,047 Kevin, you're aware they're putting a mic on the girl who's not in the shot? 926 00:48:04,215 --> 00:48:06,342 Maybe the kit should be just a couple of inches there 927 00:48:06,509 --> 00:48:07,927 so you don't step over it. 928 00:48:08,094 --> 00:48:10,638 No, wait until she comes here. Stop. 929 00:48:10,805 --> 00:48:14,099 It'll be after they say "action!" Because the camera's on her 930 00:48:14,266 --> 00:48:17,102 and it's going to come around and see... 931 00:48:18,854 --> 00:48:20,856 Okay, and we're out of the shot. 932 00:48:22,608 --> 00:48:25,402 He is always noticing what needs to be fixed, 933 00:48:25,569 --> 00:48:28,363 what is the problem, but that's the nature of producing. 934 00:48:28,531 --> 00:48:30,407 Okay, so I'm looking here. 935 00:48:30,574 --> 00:48:34,327 And on action, you say, "there's someone here to see you." 936 00:48:34,495 --> 00:48:35,537 Man: Rolling sound. 937 00:48:35,704 --> 00:48:38,248 Paul w.S. Anderson: You would think that a man who makes so many films 938 00:48:38,416 --> 00:48:40,459 kind of doesn't really care about each individual film, 939 00:48:40,626 --> 00:48:42,628 but I think Roger for each of his movies-- 940 00:48:42,795 --> 00:48:44,129 they're like his children, you know. 941 00:48:44,296 --> 00:48:45,880 And he loves every single one of them. 942 00:48:46,048 --> 00:48:47,966 And he's so engaged in every single one of them. 943 00:48:48,134 --> 00:48:51,262 And, you know, the last time i had lunch with him, 944 00:48:51,429 --> 00:48:53,806 you know, he had to hurry away 'cause he was going back 945 00:48:53,973 --> 00:48:55,641 to the cutting room of "minotaur." 946 00:48:55,808 --> 00:48:58,227 And it's like, "you know, Roger..." 947 00:48:58,394 --> 00:49:00,270 They're really-- 948 00:49:00,438 --> 00:49:03,149 it's just way too much time spent on iva. 949 00:49:03,315 --> 00:49:05,984 They're working on her makeup all the time. 950 00:49:06,152 --> 00:49:07,945 Explain who she should put it on. 951 00:49:08,112 --> 00:49:10,823 They can't do this stuff for every shot. 952 00:49:10,990 --> 00:49:13,659 Mary woronov: I'll never forget Julie. She was, like, amazing. 953 00:49:13,826 --> 00:49:15,619 She was talking about redecorating her house. 954 00:49:15,786 --> 00:49:18,163 And then she had a child in a crib. 955 00:49:18,330 --> 00:49:19,873 She was raising children, you know. 956 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,833 And here she was-- she was known 957 00:49:22,001 --> 00:49:24,253 to do movies even cheaper than Roger corman. 958 00:49:24,420 --> 00:49:26,588 I mean, this woman was amazing. 959 00:49:26,755 --> 00:49:29,382 The first film that I produced, i didn't think of it as producing. 960 00:49:29,550 --> 00:49:30,717 I didn't put a name to it. 961 00:49:30,885 --> 00:49:32,970 I just thought, "oh, this needs to be organized." 962 00:49:33,137 --> 00:49:36,390 Roger did sit with me for about 45 minutes 963 00:49:36,557 --> 00:49:38,892 and go through what's needed-- the cast, 964 00:49:39,059 --> 00:49:41,019 the crew, and what the positions were 965 00:49:41,187 --> 00:49:44,440 and a way in which to Shepherd production through. 966 00:49:44,607 --> 00:49:47,901 But then I thought, "well, he'll be there every day and I could--" 967 00:49:48,068 --> 00:49:50,487 no, he wasn't really available. 968 00:49:50,654 --> 00:49:54,449 And there was this sense I had of, 969 00:49:54,617 --> 00:49:56,785 "he just thinks i can do this?" 970 00:49:56,952 --> 00:49:59,245 And then I just did it. 971 00:49:59,413 --> 00:50:02,999 But he will recognize in someone 972 00:50:03,167 --> 00:50:05,502 that he thinks they can do whatever it is. 973 00:50:05,669 --> 00:50:08,129 And then he just walks away 974 00:50:08,297 --> 00:50:10,882 and they do it. 975 00:50:11,050 --> 00:50:14,053 Corman: I first met Julie when she answered an ad 976 00:50:14,220 --> 00:50:17,097 for a job as my assistant. 977 00:50:17,264 --> 00:50:20,308 I offered her the job. She turned down the job, 978 00:50:20,476 --> 00:50:23,061 but she agreed to have dinner with me. 979 00:50:23,229 --> 00:50:26,690 We began dating and we also began working together. 980 00:50:26,857 --> 00:50:30,151 Roger had by then asked me to marry him 981 00:50:30,319 --> 00:50:32,779 and I had said yes. And then he went off to the Philippines 982 00:50:32,947 --> 00:50:34,865 and I didn't hear from him for a week. 983 00:50:35,032 --> 00:50:38,577 So I was like, "i wonder what that means." 984 00:50:38,744 --> 00:50:41,830 So I called him and said, "are we still getting married?" 985 00:50:41,997 --> 00:50:43,748 He said, "oh, yes. Did you pick a date?" 986 00:50:43,916 --> 00:50:48,170 And I said, "well, I was thinking of December 987 00:50:48,337 --> 00:50:49,921 or maybe later in the spring." 988 00:50:50,089 --> 00:50:52,382 "Oh, definitely December. Sooner-- better, right?" 989 00:50:52,550 --> 00:50:54,760 I said, "okay. 990 00:50:54,927 --> 00:50:56,762 L just wonder why you didn't call me." 991 00:50:56,929 --> 00:50:59,097 Well, he didn't call me because it was a long-distance call, 992 00:50:59,265 --> 00:51:01,100 so it wouldn't have occurred to him. 993 00:51:01,267 --> 00:51:03,769 But anyway, you know, getting to know each other. 994 00:51:03,936 --> 00:51:07,189 All right now, everybody, reach for the nightgown of the lord. 995 00:51:07,356 --> 00:51:09,232 Reach. 996 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,276 Anybody moves-- you're dead. 997 00:51:11,443 --> 00:51:13,361 Julie: Roger had done "bloody mama" 998 00:51:13,529 --> 00:51:15,280 with shelley winters and Bobby de niro. 999 00:51:15,447 --> 00:51:17,782 And, you know, it was a great success for aip. 1000 00:51:17,950 --> 00:51:20,953 And aip wanted another woman gangster movie. 1001 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,580 And so I found this book. 1002 00:51:23,747 --> 00:51:25,123 It was the story of a woman 1003 00:51:25,291 --> 00:51:27,626 who'd been something of a tramp, a hobo, 1004 00:51:27,793 --> 00:51:30,253 had ridden the boxcars of the railroads 1005 00:51:30,421 --> 00:51:32,381 of the United States during the depression. 1006 00:51:32,548 --> 00:51:35,551 It was her story as a rebel, 1007 00:51:35,718 --> 00:51:38,303 as a pre-feminist, as it were, 1008 00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:40,305 and as an outlaw. 1009 00:51:40,472 --> 00:51:42,974 "Boxcar Bertha" the first picture 1010 00:51:43,142 --> 00:51:46,478 that Julie worked on with me as co-producer. 1011 00:51:46,645 --> 00:51:49,981 It was also the first picture that Marty scorsese directed. 1012 00:51:50,149 --> 00:51:53,193 I met him and he said, "look, I have a sequel to 'bloody mama.' 1013 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,738 it's called 'boxcar Bertha.' Would you be interested in doing it?" 1014 00:51:56,905 --> 00:51:58,531 I said, "absolutely," you know. 1015 00:51:58,699 --> 00:52:01,785 And "bloody mama" actually had de niro in it, see? 1016 00:52:01,952 --> 00:52:03,828 By the time we got to Camden, Arkansas, 1017 00:52:03,996 --> 00:52:07,916 Marty had sketched every shot of the picture, 1018 00:52:08,083 --> 00:52:11,586 which was all over the walls of his motel room. 1019 00:52:11,754 --> 00:52:13,839 I took out all these drawings, about 500. 1020 00:52:14,006 --> 00:52:16,675 And he looked at the first 20 or 30 or something. 1021 00:52:16,842 --> 00:52:19,511 And then he looked, he said, "did you do this for the entire picture?" 1022 00:52:19,678 --> 00:52:21,471 I said, "yeah." He said, "all right." 1023 00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:23,515 He put it away and he left. 1024 00:52:23,682 --> 00:52:25,433 Run, Bertha! 1025 00:52:27,561 --> 00:52:29,563 God damn that bitch. 1026 00:52:32,232 --> 00:52:34,317 Carradine: The thing that Roger hated was 1027 00:52:34,485 --> 00:52:36,361 when Sam arkoff came in-- 1028 00:52:36,528 --> 00:52:39,197 'cause he needed Sam because the budget was too big for him. 1029 00:52:39,365 --> 00:52:41,784 And then Sam kind of took over 1030 00:52:41,950 --> 00:52:44,077 and masterminded the release 1031 00:52:44,244 --> 00:52:46,371 in a way that Roger didn't like. 1032 00:52:46,538 --> 00:52:48,790 And Roger said, "I'm never gonna do this again." 1033 00:52:48,957 --> 00:52:51,376 And that's when he formed new world 1034 00:52:51,543 --> 00:52:54,837 and he went back to making $25,000 movies 1035 00:52:55,005 --> 00:52:56,881 and worked his way back up again 1036 00:52:57,049 --> 00:53:00,969 just simply so that nobody could tell him, you know, 1037 00:53:01,136 --> 00:53:05,056 how he should cut his movie or how he should release it. 1038 00:53:05,224 --> 00:53:07,059 Doel: Roger somehow 1039 00:53:07,226 --> 00:53:09,478 is fueled by 1040 00:53:09,645 --> 00:53:11,396 outwitting, I would say, 1041 00:53:11,563 --> 00:53:13,856 even more than rebelling against, authority. 1042 00:53:14,024 --> 00:53:15,567 He was that way with aip. 1043 00:53:15,734 --> 00:53:19,320 I think, actually, it brings out his creativity and his drive. 1044 00:53:19,488 --> 00:53:21,364 It just seems to fire him up 1045 00:53:21,532 --> 00:53:23,951 to just show them 1046 00:53:24,118 --> 00:53:26,787 that he will do it himself. 1047 00:53:26,954 --> 00:53:29,915 He doesn't need them to tell him how to do it or what to do. 1048 00:53:30,082 --> 00:53:34,002 I decided to start a small production/distribution company, 1049 00:53:34,169 --> 00:53:38,423 a little bit the way aip had started in the late 1950s. 1050 00:53:38,590 --> 00:53:40,341 Roger is a brilliant producer 1051 00:53:40,509 --> 00:53:42,135 in terms of knowing what the market is, 1052 00:53:42,302 --> 00:53:45,221 anticipating the trends and then capitalizing on them. 1053 00:53:45,389 --> 00:53:47,307 He was a trendsetter for years. I mean, he-- 1054 00:53:47,474 --> 00:53:49,392 in the '60s he set every trend. 1055 00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,105 He has the idea-- 1056 00:53:53,272 --> 00:53:55,274 the original idea for almost all the films 1057 00:53:55,441 --> 00:53:57,943 that are produced by new world pictures. 1058 00:53:58,110 --> 00:54:00,529 He had a somewhat finite audience. 1059 00:54:00,696 --> 00:54:03,073 They weren't expecting things to be held over. 1060 00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:06,117 You know, things played for two weeks in the grindhouses 1061 00:54:06,285 --> 00:54:08,203 and a couple weeks at the drive-in 1062 00:54:08,370 --> 00:54:10,080 and then a new thing came in. 1063 00:54:10,247 --> 00:54:11,831 But within that, you were gonna have 1064 00:54:11,999 --> 00:54:14,001 a very loyal audience of young people. 1065 00:54:14,168 --> 00:54:16,962 Announcer: Hollywood boulevard-- the street where starlets are made. 1066 00:54:17,129 --> 00:54:19,172 On Monday candy came to Hollywood. 1067 00:54:19,339 --> 00:54:21,090 On Tuesday she lost her blouse. 1068 00:54:21,258 --> 00:54:23,927 On Thursday she massacred 300 rebel soldiers. 1069 00:54:24,094 --> 00:54:26,638 On Friday she found out the bullets were real. 1070 00:54:26,805 --> 00:54:29,390 On Saturday she married Godzilla. 1071 00:54:29,558 --> 00:54:31,810 By Sunday she was a star. 1072 00:54:31,977 --> 00:54:34,813 Things happen fast on Hollywood boulevard. 1073 00:54:34,980 --> 00:54:36,147 Rated r. 1074 00:54:36,315 --> 00:54:38,317 ♪ Hello, Hollywood. ♪ 1075 00:54:40,152 --> 00:54:42,612 The fact that the rating system came in was a tremendous change. 1076 00:54:42,780 --> 00:54:44,156 Now you were allowed to do things in movies 1077 00:54:44,323 --> 00:54:45,615 that you hadn't been allowed to do before. 1078 00:54:45,783 --> 00:54:47,242 You were allowed to show things. 1079 00:54:53,499 --> 00:54:56,502 Announcer: What they did to her in Jackson county was a crime. 1080 00:54:58,837 --> 00:55:01,005 Yvette mimieux. 1081 00:55:01,173 --> 00:55:03,675 "Jackson county jail," 1082 00:55:03,842 --> 00:55:06,010 where the cops make their own laws 1083 00:55:06,178 --> 00:55:07,888 and the only way out is murder. 1084 00:55:10,224 --> 00:55:11,850 We're cop killers. 1085 00:55:12,017 --> 00:55:16,187 There are '70s exploitation pictures that are really out there. 1086 00:55:16,355 --> 00:55:17,522 I mean, they have plot twists 1087 00:55:17,689 --> 00:55:19,273 that are like, "whoa, i didn't see that coming. 1088 00:55:19,441 --> 00:55:21,401 I didn't think people did that in the movies." 1089 00:55:21,568 --> 00:55:23,403 Announcer: Woman was made for man 1090 00:55:23,570 --> 00:55:25,863 to hunt. 1091 00:55:26,031 --> 00:55:28,491 Dante: Roger certainly took amazing advantage of that. 1092 00:55:28,659 --> 00:55:31,328 Announcer: Hunters competing for the game. 1093 00:55:31,495 --> 00:55:34,873 Set your sights on the tastiest game, 1094 00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,375 from new world pictures. 1095 00:55:37,543 --> 00:55:39,503 Roger's operation 1096 00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:43,131 is an exploitation operation on almost every level. 1097 00:55:43,298 --> 00:55:47,218 He exploits directors. He exploits writers. 1098 00:55:47,386 --> 00:55:51,390 He exploits people in the crafts who are trying to get established. 1099 00:55:51,557 --> 00:55:54,560 But we are also exploiting Roger. 1100 00:55:54,726 --> 00:55:56,561 Julie: I think he had a lot of fun 1101 00:55:56,728 --> 00:55:58,396 working with these young people. 1102 00:55:58,564 --> 00:56:00,607 And so it was often known as, you know, 1103 00:56:00,774 --> 00:56:02,734 the corman school of filmmaking. 1104 00:56:05,112 --> 00:56:07,072 Demme: The first time I met Roger, 1105 00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,574 this crazy Roger German-y thing happened 1106 00:56:09,741 --> 00:56:12,201 where he said, "okay, you can write press releases. 1107 00:56:12,369 --> 00:56:14,537 Do you think you could write a screenplay?" 1108 00:56:14,705 --> 00:56:17,165 And this had never really occurred to me, 1109 00:56:17,332 --> 00:56:19,751 but I said, "yes." 1110 00:56:19,918 --> 00:56:21,836 And he said, "let me explain. 1111 00:56:22,004 --> 00:56:23,880 I'm starting a new company. 1112 00:56:24,047 --> 00:56:25,923 It's called new world pictures. 1113 00:56:26,091 --> 00:56:29,344 I need a bunch of pictures to go into the works very soon." 1114 00:56:29,511 --> 00:56:31,137 He wanted a nurse movie, 1115 00:56:31,305 --> 00:56:34,433 but he also wanted to crossbreed it with a prison movie. 1116 00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,893 Announcer: Four American nurses, snatched 1117 00:56:37,060 --> 00:56:39,687 from their work in a foreign hospital, 1118 00:56:39,855 --> 00:56:41,731 jumped in the jungle, 1119 00:56:41,899 --> 00:56:44,735 caught between a kill-crazed revolutionary 1120 00:56:44,902 --> 00:56:46,778 and a sex-crazed major. 1121 00:56:46,945 --> 00:56:49,781 Roger says, "exploitation pictures don't need plots. 1122 00:56:49,948 --> 00:56:51,908 But they need sensational things 1123 00:56:52,075 --> 00:56:54,285 like girls shooting filipinos out of trees. 1124 00:56:56,622 --> 00:56:58,457 That works." 1125 00:57:01,460 --> 00:57:03,295 In new world-- they very often go back 1126 00:57:03,462 --> 00:57:05,422 and add action to a picture. 1127 00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:07,549 'Cause you'll see how a rough cut plays, 1128 00:57:07,716 --> 00:57:10,301 and Roger almost always wants you to add 1129 00:57:10,469 --> 00:57:12,721 another chase or at least another explosion. 1130 00:57:12,888 --> 00:57:15,140 ♪ Rock, rock, rock, rock, rock 'n' roll high school ♪ 1131 00:57:15,307 --> 00:57:17,559 ♪ rock, rock, rock, rock, rock 'n' roll high school. ♪ 1132 00:57:21,146 --> 00:57:22,939 Announcer: "Rock 'n' roll high school"-- 1133 00:57:23,106 --> 00:57:26,484 the school where the students rule. 1134 00:57:26,652 --> 00:57:29,112 Could your school be next? 1135 00:57:29,279 --> 00:57:32,156 We knew the genre notes that we had to hit. 1136 00:57:32,324 --> 00:57:34,117 And if we hit those notes, 1137 00:57:34,284 --> 00:57:37,078 what we put in between those notes was entirely up to us. 1138 00:57:37,245 --> 00:57:38,829 "Grand Theft Auto" 1139 00:57:38,997 --> 00:57:41,666 is a love story 1140 00:57:41,833 --> 00:57:43,918 with cars. 1141 00:57:44,086 --> 00:57:45,629 Also it's a comedy... 1142 00:57:48,131 --> 00:57:49,215 ...with car crashes. 1143 00:57:49,383 --> 00:57:51,051 Announcer: "Grand Theft Auto," 1144 00:57:51,218 --> 00:57:54,221 directed by and starring Ron Howard. 1145 00:57:54,388 --> 00:57:55,806 Well, hell. 1146 00:57:55,973 --> 00:57:58,517 We had a very limited number of extras that we were allowed to have 1147 00:57:58,684 --> 00:58:02,813 at the big demolition derby climactic action scenes. 1148 00:58:02,980 --> 00:58:05,857 And I called Roger 1149 00:58:06,024 --> 00:58:09,360 asking for more extras to fill out the stands, 1150 00:58:09,528 --> 00:58:11,530 'cause, I said, "this is supposed to be this huge event. 1151 00:58:11,697 --> 00:58:14,700 There's a big riot at the end. You know, 75 extras 1152 00:58:14,866 --> 00:58:17,034 is gonna fill exactly, you know, 1153 00:58:17,202 --> 00:58:21,039 1/10 of the stands. It's gonna look cheesy." 1154 00:58:21,206 --> 00:58:24,000 And he said no. And he could see I was dejected. 1155 00:58:24,167 --> 00:58:25,418 And he smiled 1156 00:58:25,585 --> 00:58:27,628 and he put his hand on my shoulder in a kind of fatherly way. 1157 00:58:27,796 --> 00:58:30,882 And he said, "Ron, here's what you need to understand. 1158 00:58:31,049 --> 00:58:34,677 You do a good job for me on my terms 1159 00:58:34,845 --> 00:58:36,721 on this movie, 1160 00:58:36,888 --> 00:58:39,056 and you never have to work for me again." 1161 00:58:39,224 --> 00:58:41,434 And, well, I didn't. 1162 00:58:41,601 --> 00:58:43,477 I certainly wish 1163 00:58:43,645 --> 00:58:48,107 that Roger would move out of the formula film-- 1164 00:58:48,275 --> 00:58:49,901 the exploitation film. 1165 00:58:50,068 --> 00:58:53,404 I guess that he just feels that as long as he's investing his own money 1166 00:58:53,572 --> 00:58:55,115 that he wants it to be surefire. 1167 00:59:00,746 --> 00:59:03,582 Carradine: In "death race" at the very beginning behind us, 1168 00:59:03,749 --> 00:59:05,375 there's a city of the future. 1169 00:59:05,542 --> 00:59:07,835 And it is so obviously a painting. 1170 00:59:08,003 --> 00:59:09,838 It's almost a cartoon. 1171 00:59:10,005 --> 00:59:12,257 And I said that to him and he said, 1172 00:59:12,424 --> 00:59:15,051 "people come to my pictures looking for camp. 1173 00:59:15,218 --> 00:59:17,428 And I'm going to give it to them." 1174 00:59:31,401 --> 00:59:33,444 Lf he just violated this rule of his 1175 00:59:33,612 --> 00:59:35,322 of never making a movie 1176 00:59:35,489 --> 00:59:38,241 that cost more than $1 million, you know, 1177 00:59:38,408 --> 00:59:40,326 and make one for $1.5 million or $2 million-- 1178 00:59:40,494 --> 00:59:42,454 I said, "look, all your pictures make money. 1179 00:59:42,621 --> 00:59:44,331 None of them go through the top." 1180 00:59:44,498 --> 00:59:45,874 And he said, "yeah, that's true." 1181 00:59:46,041 --> 00:59:48,001 And then he went over and turned off the air conditioner. 1182 00:59:48,168 --> 00:59:49,919 Sometimes the movies were really dreadful 1183 00:59:50,087 --> 00:59:52,422 and you had to just sort of camp them up and make fun of them. 1184 00:59:52,589 --> 00:59:54,257 - "Cover girl models." - And we did-- by the time 1185 00:59:54,424 --> 00:59:57,468 we got to "cover girl models," we were doing outrageous ad lines-- 1186 00:59:57,636 --> 00:59:59,846 you know, "they don't need clothes to strike a pose"; 1187 01:00:00,013 --> 01:00:02,390 "they're always overexposed but they're never underdeveloped"-- 1188 01:00:02,557 --> 01:00:04,350 to the point where the pictures looked like jokes. 1189 01:00:04,518 --> 01:00:06,019 They didn't look like they were real movies. 1190 01:00:06,186 --> 01:00:08,229 They're like movies in the front of "tropic thunder." 1191 01:00:08,396 --> 01:00:10,064 They just didn't look real. 1192 01:00:10,232 --> 01:00:12,943 But the audiences never minded. They were happy. 1193 01:00:15,987 --> 01:00:18,823 The limitations of a low-budget film can work positively 1194 01:00:18,990 --> 01:00:20,741 in terms of getting something spontaneous. 1195 01:00:20,909 --> 01:00:22,785 There's no time for rehearsal. 1196 01:00:22,953 --> 01:00:26,456 There's no time for extended discussions 1197 01:00:26,623 --> 01:00:28,666 of motivation and character and so forth. 1198 01:00:28,834 --> 01:00:32,087 And indeed there aren't many characters or motivations in any of the films. 1199 01:00:34,297 --> 01:00:37,341 You'll never be a star now, you little cunt. 1200 01:00:44,349 --> 01:00:46,267 Dante: The great thing about working for Roger was 1201 01:00:46,434 --> 01:00:47,893 that every possible obstacle 1202 01:00:48,061 --> 01:00:49,687 to making a movie was thrown in front of you. 1203 01:00:49,855 --> 01:00:51,356 Beverly hills police. 1204 01:00:51,523 --> 01:00:53,024 And if you could figure out a way to get around them, 1205 01:00:53,191 --> 01:00:54,358 you could make your movie. 1206 01:00:54,526 --> 01:00:56,319 At the end credits of "Hollywood boulevard," 1207 01:00:56,486 --> 01:00:58,362 that background shot was shot 1208 01:00:58,530 --> 01:01:00,448 while the camera crew was hiding in the bushes 1209 01:01:00,615 --> 01:01:02,325 and I was talking to the Beverly hills police 1210 01:01:02,492 --> 01:01:05,536 and explaining that I was just out here admiring the scenery. 1211 01:01:05,704 --> 01:01:09,666 And they said, "well, get back in your car and drive down the hill." 1212 01:01:09,833 --> 01:01:12,085 It's not as bad as John Davis and having to spend the night in jail 1213 01:01:12,252 --> 01:01:14,128 while making "fly me," though. 1214 01:01:14,296 --> 01:01:17,549 I think when he called Roger and he said, "I'm in jail," 1215 01:01:17,716 --> 01:01:20,427 I think Roger said, "well, you know, that's a good experience. 1216 01:01:20,594 --> 01:01:22,095 You should learn from this." 1217 01:01:22,262 --> 01:01:24,555 Blossom, honey. 1218 01:01:25,974 --> 01:01:29,477 You philandering, fornicating bastard, 1219 01:01:29,644 --> 01:01:32,647 you went off with that skinny honky for two days 1220 01:01:32,814 --> 01:01:35,274 and gonna come back here and call me honey? 1221 01:01:35,442 --> 01:01:36,860 Now wait a minute, blossom, honey. 1222 01:01:37,027 --> 01:01:40,447 I told you I was gonna cut it off if you tried to pull that shit on me. 1223 01:01:42,699 --> 01:01:44,409 We called it "make do." 1224 01:01:44,576 --> 01:01:47,412 You know, whatever you can do to make do, that's what we did. 1225 01:01:47,579 --> 01:01:50,456 And from it, i lived through my stunts. 1226 01:01:50,624 --> 01:01:53,585 I look back at it-- would I do them again? 1227 01:01:53,752 --> 01:01:57,088 Yes, but more padding on the head. 1228 01:02:00,258 --> 01:02:03,010 Not a lot of women wanted to do stunts. 1229 01:02:04,221 --> 01:02:06,097 All right, everybody, back 'em up. 1230 01:02:06,264 --> 01:02:08,182 Grier: And they couldn't handle guns. They were afraid of guns. 1231 01:02:08,350 --> 01:02:09,601 Sit down on the floor. 1232 01:02:11,102 --> 01:02:13,687 Where do you want to be buried, nigger? 1233 01:02:15,357 --> 01:02:18,234 And it's miss nigger to you. 1234 01:02:18,401 --> 01:02:20,945 Grier: And there weren't a lot of women who wanted to be 1235 01:02:21,112 --> 01:02:23,739 tossed around the room or thrown over a cliff. 1236 01:02:23,907 --> 01:02:25,783 And he said, "let's keep her doing movies. 1237 01:02:25,951 --> 01:02:28,787 She loves to do crazy stuff. Let's set her on fire." 1238 01:02:28,954 --> 01:02:31,748 You know, "how many cars can she crash today?" 1239 01:02:31,915 --> 01:02:34,792 They loved that. 1240 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,630 He could talk you into, you know, buying some sand in a desert. 1241 01:02:38,797 --> 01:02:40,799 Hey, and it'll taste good, too. 1242 01:02:40,966 --> 01:02:42,801 I'm like, "excuse me, 1243 01:02:42,968 --> 01:02:44,970 did I just buy this glass of sand from Roger?" 1244 01:02:45,136 --> 01:02:47,513 Announcer: "The final comedown"-- 1245 01:02:47,681 --> 01:02:50,266 this year's heaviest motion picture. 1246 01:02:50,433 --> 01:02:52,977 Baby, I'm not bitter. I was bitter 350 years ago. 1247 01:02:53,144 --> 01:02:56,147 I'm violent, you hear me, god damn it? Violent! 1248 01:03:03,571 --> 01:03:05,489 Announcer: Get hip to this year's winner-- 1249 01:03:05,657 --> 01:03:08,660 the fight you've been dying for. 1250 01:03:10,954 --> 01:03:13,748 Rated r, it's a mother. 1251 01:03:13,915 --> 01:03:15,166 Dig it. 1252 01:03:15,333 --> 01:03:18,544 I did bring "mean streets" first to Roger. 1253 01:03:18,712 --> 01:03:21,339 And it was the beginning of the blaxploitation pictures. 1254 01:03:21,506 --> 01:03:24,175 And he said, "so the story is interesting and everything. 1255 01:03:24,342 --> 01:03:26,010 It's really interesting. I can give you 1256 01:03:26,177 --> 01:03:28,179 a couple hundred thousand dollars to do it, 1257 01:03:28,346 --> 01:03:30,765 but if you could swing a little bit 1258 01:03:30,932 --> 01:03:34,018 and make it black, 1259 01:03:34,185 --> 01:03:36,437 it might be-- we might have something here." 1260 01:03:36,604 --> 01:03:39,356 So I thought about it. I said, "okay, let me think about it." 1261 01:03:39,524 --> 01:03:42,568 I wouldn't say no. I always say yes to these things. 1262 01:03:42,736 --> 01:03:44,320 And I walked out and realized my heart sank 1263 01:03:44,487 --> 01:03:46,864 because I realized, no, they're Italian-Americans. 1264 01:03:47,032 --> 01:03:49,868 That's the part of the cultural thing. It's sicilians and neapolitans 1265 01:03:50,035 --> 01:03:52,871 and ancient code that goes back to the medieval times. 1266 01:03:53,038 --> 01:03:54,748 You're a fucking jerk-off. 1267 01:03:54,914 --> 01:03:58,459 And I'll tell you something else, Mikey-- 1268 01:03:58,626 --> 01:04:00,377 I fuck you right where you breathe, 1269 01:04:00,545 --> 01:04:04,215 'cause I don't give two shits about you or nobody else. 1270 01:04:06,009 --> 01:04:08,219 I said, "that's-- totally not. I'm not gonna be able to do it." 1271 01:04:08,386 --> 01:04:11,097 But because of "boxcar Bertha" 1272 01:04:11,264 --> 01:04:13,724 and because of the group that worked on the film, 1273 01:04:13,892 --> 01:04:16,060 I learned how to make the picture within a certain amount of time. 1274 01:04:16,227 --> 01:04:18,812 And we were able to take the same principles 1275 01:04:18,980 --> 01:04:22,233 that we applied to "boxcar Bertha" and use them for "mean streets." 1276 01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,735 We wound up shooting most of it in Los Angeles 1277 01:04:24,903 --> 01:04:28,323 because we had that crew and the corman crew knew how to work. 1278 01:04:31,868 --> 01:04:34,412 Dante: Roger's own personal taste in pictures 1279 01:04:34,579 --> 01:04:36,747 is very different from the type of pictures that he makes. 1280 01:04:36,915 --> 01:04:38,750 And also his taste in directors 1281 01:04:38,917 --> 01:04:40,793 tends towards antonioni and bergman. 1282 01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,295 Corman: Most of our films are domestic. 1283 01:04:43,463 --> 01:04:46,924 However, we do distribute a number of foreign films-- 1284 01:04:47,092 --> 01:04:48,843 bergman, fellini, truffaut, 1285 01:04:49,010 --> 01:04:50,761 now kurosawa and a number of others. 1286 01:04:50,929 --> 01:04:52,597 Dante: Roger had a lot of connections 1287 01:04:52,764 --> 01:04:54,098 and he had his own distribution company. 1288 01:04:54,265 --> 01:04:57,685 And when the majors started to give up on foreign films, 1289 01:04:57,852 --> 01:05:02,022 Roger talked people like ingmar bergman and fellini into-- 1290 01:05:02,190 --> 01:05:03,983 "i can get your picture on screens 1291 01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:05,734 that have never run a movie of yours, 1292 01:05:05,902 --> 01:05:07,987 because I have a different audience 1293 01:05:08,154 --> 01:05:09,613 and a different way of selling the movie." 1294 01:05:09,781 --> 01:05:11,157 And they all signed off on it. 1295 01:05:11,324 --> 01:05:15,286 Ingmar bergman was a seminal influence on Roger as a director. 1296 01:05:15,453 --> 01:05:17,288 "Cries and whispers" did extremely well 1297 01:05:17,455 --> 01:05:19,707 and ingmar bergman was very pleased. 1298 01:05:19,874 --> 01:05:22,543 And then Roger being Roger, he had the idea 1299 01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:25,796 to distribute it in drive-ins. 1300 01:05:25,964 --> 01:05:27,256 And that's what he did. 1301 01:05:27,424 --> 01:05:30,260 No one else had ever been able to do that before, and probably not since. 1302 01:05:30,427 --> 01:05:31,845 That was something new for Roger, 1303 01:05:32,011 --> 01:05:34,471 to have such prestige people associated with him. 1304 01:05:34,639 --> 01:05:36,349 And it just went from there. 1305 01:05:36,516 --> 01:05:38,392 Roger, when he formed new world pictures, 1306 01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:41,020 was the first company that was completely bifurcated. 1307 01:05:41,187 --> 01:05:44,440 In other words, in one direction they were doing exploitation films, 1308 01:05:44,607 --> 01:05:46,150 but in the other direction they were doing 1309 01:05:46,317 --> 01:05:48,527 the best foreign-language films that were out there at that time. 1310 01:05:48,695 --> 01:05:50,488 Corman: The money is secondary 1311 01:05:50,655 --> 01:05:51,947 in that particular area. 1312 01:05:52,115 --> 01:05:55,743 It's because I feel these films should get 1313 01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:59,163 to a larger audience than they do. 1314 01:05:59,330 --> 01:06:01,206 Announcer: The new fellini-- 1315 01:06:01,374 --> 01:06:03,667 "amarcord." 1316 01:06:06,004 --> 01:06:08,172 Corman: The company is building very rapidly, 1317 01:06:08,339 --> 01:06:10,507 which takes a lot of time. 1318 01:06:10,675 --> 01:06:13,344 My wife and I have had three children 1319 01:06:13,511 --> 01:06:14,970 in three consecutive summers, 1320 01:06:15,138 --> 01:06:16,848 which takes a certain amount of time. 1321 01:06:17,015 --> 01:06:18,850 We would go home in the evening 1322 01:06:19,017 --> 01:06:21,227 and talk about the problems of the day. 1323 01:06:21,394 --> 01:06:22,812 Then there got to be a time 1324 01:06:22,979 --> 01:06:25,940 when we, like, just didn't talk about what had happened during the day. 1325 01:06:26,107 --> 01:06:29,318 But it got to be a little embarrassing 1326 01:06:29,486 --> 01:06:32,405 because Roger didn't really know what all I was doing 1327 01:06:32,572 --> 01:06:34,365 and I didn't really know what all he was doing. 1328 01:06:34,532 --> 01:06:36,742 And I said, "look, Roger, it's very embarrassing 1329 01:06:36,910 --> 01:06:39,412 when people say, 'what movies is Roger making?' 1330 01:06:39,579 --> 01:06:42,373 and I don't know. You know, it is our company, 1331 01:06:42,540 --> 01:06:44,625 but there's what you're making and what I'm making." 1332 01:06:44,792 --> 01:06:47,002 And so he said, "well, I'll tell you what I'm making." 1333 01:06:47,170 --> 01:06:48,713 He said, "I'm making 12 films." 1334 01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:52,216 And he couldn't remember the last two. 1335 01:06:52,383 --> 01:06:55,719 So he said, "well, whatever they are, I'm gonna cancel them." 1336 01:06:55,887 --> 01:06:57,889 Reporter: You had made a statement to the press 1337 01:06:58,056 --> 01:06:59,932 that you were getting out of exploitation films 1338 01:07:00,099 --> 01:07:02,976 and into higher-budget films. What brought you back into it? 1339 01:07:03,144 --> 01:07:05,813 In my last years as a director, 1340 01:07:05,980 --> 01:07:08,941 I was climbing out of the low-budget field 1341 01:07:09,108 --> 01:07:10,734 and was doing more expensive films, 1342 01:07:10,902 --> 01:07:12,987 but when I started my own company, 1343 01:07:13,154 --> 01:07:15,739 which was financed essentially out of my own savings, 1344 01:07:15,907 --> 01:07:18,326 I was forced back to low-budget films 1345 01:07:18,493 --> 01:07:20,536 because those were all I could afford. 1346 01:07:20,703 --> 01:07:23,163 New world has had several profitable years 1347 01:07:23,331 --> 01:07:26,000 and we're now starting to make more expensive films 1348 01:07:26,167 --> 01:07:27,960 and we're climbing once more. 1349 01:07:28,127 --> 01:07:30,087 Roger's had such success with new world pictures 1350 01:07:30,255 --> 01:07:32,257 in the past couple of years that now 1351 01:07:32,423 --> 01:07:34,341 people are dying to invest in his movies. 1352 01:07:34,509 --> 01:07:37,929 And if a script is going around town which has his endorsement on it 1353 01:07:38,096 --> 01:07:40,765 and a promise that he will distribute it, you're in fabulous shape. 1354 01:07:40,932 --> 01:07:43,601 There's an old story about 1355 01:07:43,768 --> 01:07:46,228 the producer with a successful Broadway play. 1356 01:07:46,396 --> 01:07:48,439 And his friend comes to him and says, 1357 01:07:48,606 --> 01:07:50,566 "here's the way we can fix the second act." 1358 01:07:50,733 --> 01:07:54,945 And the producer says, "never -- around with a winner." 1359 01:07:55,113 --> 01:07:57,782 Roger came bounding up the stairs. 1360 01:07:57,949 --> 01:08:00,534 And he said, 1361 01:08:00,702 --> 01:08:03,121 "Ron, you're here. Have you heard the news?" 1362 01:08:03,288 --> 01:08:05,456 I said, "no." "Great news: 1363 01:08:05,623 --> 01:08:07,541 'Grand Theft Auto'--" 1364 01:08:07,709 --> 01:08:10,128 which was a very successful movie for him-- 1365 01:08:10,295 --> 01:08:12,755 "'Grand Theft Auto' just sold to CBS. 1366 01:08:12,922 --> 01:08:15,883 It's the first time we've ever sold a movie to the networks-- 1367 01:08:16,050 --> 01:08:18,677 for $1.1 million." 1368 01:08:18,845 --> 01:08:20,721 And I said, "well, that's great, Roger." 1369 01:08:20,888 --> 01:08:22,890 He said, "lt's fantastic. 1370 01:08:23,057 --> 01:08:26,435 That makes your 7.5% look awfully good." 1371 01:08:26,603 --> 01:08:29,063 'Cause I had a little profit participation in "Grand Theft Auto." 1372 01:08:29,230 --> 01:08:30,981 I said, "yeah, it does." He said, 1373 01:08:31,149 --> 01:08:35,153 "it makes my 92.5% look goddamn wonderful." 1374 01:08:47,165 --> 01:08:51,085 ♪ Open up the sky, open up the sky ♪ 1375 01:08:51,252 --> 01:08:55,297 ♪ 'cause I'm coming up to you, I'm coming up to you ♪ 1376 01:08:55,465 --> 01:08:59,719 ♪ so send down your wings, so send down your wings ♪ 1377 01:08:59,886 --> 01:09:01,804 ♪ and let them bring me to you ♪ 1378 01:09:01,971 --> 01:09:03,847 ♪ and bring me to you ♪ 1379 01:09:04,015 --> 01:09:07,518 ♪ get on up, big bird, to my baby's love ♪ 1380 01:09:07,685 --> 01:09:09,937 ♪ get on up, big bird ♪ 1381 01:09:10,104 --> 01:09:12,022 ♪ to my baby's love ♪ 1382 01:09:12,190 --> 01:09:16,027 ♪ get on up, big bird, 'cause I've got to make it ♪ 1383 01:09:16,194 --> 01:09:18,070 ♪ just get on up, big bird ♪ 1384 01:09:18,237 --> 01:09:20,113 ♪ 'cause I've got to make it ♪ 1385 01:09:20,281 --> 01:09:22,157 ♪ get on up, big bird ♪ 1386 01:09:22,325 --> 01:09:24,201 ♪ get on up, big bird ♪ 1387 01:09:24,369 --> 01:09:26,204 ♪ get on up, big bird ♪ 1388 01:09:26,371 --> 01:09:28,206 ♪ get on up, big bird ♪ 1389 01:09:28,373 --> 01:09:30,208 ♪ get on up, big bird ♪ 1390 01:09:30,375 --> 01:09:32,168 ♪ just get on up, big bird ♪ 1391 01:09:32,335 --> 01:09:34,378 ♪ get on up, big bird... ♪ 1392 01:09:39,926 --> 01:09:43,012 Announcer: There is a creature alive today. 1393 01:09:43,179 --> 01:09:45,514 It lives to kill-- 1394 01:09:47,308 --> 01:09:49,560 a mindless eating machine. 1395 01:09:49,727 --> 01:09:52,229 It is as if god 1396 01:09:52,397 --> 01:09:54,232 created the devil 1397 01:09:54,399 --> 01:09:56,401 and gave him jaws. 1398 01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,198 The blockbuster movie of the summer is "jaws," 1399 01:10:03,366 --> 01:10:04,909 the tale of a murderous white shark... 1400 01:10:05,076 --> 01:10:07,411 The record-breaking box office receipts created by "jaws"... 1401 01:10:07,578 --> 01:10:10,122 - ...the movie "jaws." - Some people who have seen it 1402 01:10:10,289 --> 01:10:12,082 are now seeing phantom sharks every time... 1403 01:10:12,250 --> 01:10:14,293 - Steven Spielberg... - "Time magazine" seldom... 1404 01:10:14,460 --> 01:10:18,088 When that movie was released... 1405 01:10:18,256 --> 01:10:22,009 Announcer: See it before you go swimming. 1406 01:10:22,176 --> 01:10:24,428 When Steven Spielberg made "jaws," 1407 01:10:24,595 --> 01:10:28,974 he took a very cormanesque idea-- you know, the killer shark. 1408 01:10:29,142 --> 01:10:31,018 I mean, it doesn't get any more corman than that-- 1409 01:10:31,185 --> 01:10:34,271 killer shark eating naked girls as they go skinny-dipping. 1410 01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:37,692 Roth: Once people got a taste of movies like "jaws," 1411 01:10:37,859 --> 01:10:40,611 they really didn't want the drive-in movies anymore. 1412 01:10:40,778 --> 01:10:41,987 They stopped going. 1413 01:10:42,155 --> 01:10:43,781 They wanted to go to the theaters 1414 01:10:43,948 --> 01:10:45,824 and be part of some cultural phenomenon 1415 01:10:45,992 --> 01:10:48,160 that everyone was talking about and everyone was going to see. 1416 01:10:48,327 --> 01:10:51,496 And it wasn't about taking your girl to the drive-in. 1417 01:10:51,664 --> 01:10:53,540 And then everything kind of changed 1418 01:10:53,708 --> 01:10:56,460 - on the day "star wars" came out. - Yeah. 1419 01:10:56,627 --> 01:10:59,379 We went to an 11 :00 show right over at the Chinese 1420 01:10:59,547 --> 01:11:00,923 and it was extraordinary. 1421 01:11:01,090 --> 01:11:02,966 - When these lines appeared... - Yeah. 1422 01:11:03,134 --> 01:11:05,302 ...everybody was astounded. I mean, they couldn't understand. 1423 01:11:05,470 --> 01:11:07,597 "Jaws"-- it was like, okay, it's a best-seller and we sort of know 1424 01:11:07,764 --> 01:11:09,974 that's gonna make a lot of money. But "star wars" came from nowhere. 1425 01:11:10,141 --> 01:11:13,102 And all of a sudden this gigantic change happened. 1426 01:11:13,269 --> 01:11:15,145 It was just like the "easy rider" change. 1427 01:11:15,313 --> 01:11:18,524 It was like going to a revival meeting. That first screening just was amazing. 1428 01:11:26,032 --> 01:11:28,659 Corman: When I saw "star wars" 1429 01:11:28,826 --> 01:11:31,411 I said, "this is a threat to me 1430 01:11:31,579 --> 01:11:35,040 because it means that the major studios 1431 01:11:35,208 --> 01:11:38,252 are beginning to understand what we've been doing 1432 01:11:38,419 --> 01:11:41,547 for $100,000 or so 1433 01:11:41,714 --> 01:11:45,718 and they're now doing it for multi-millions of dollars. 1434 01:11:45,885 --> 01:11:49,680 And it's going to be very difficult for us to compete." 1435 01:12:11,035 --> 01:12:13,996 Corman: I felt the major studios 1436 01:12:14,163 --> 01:12:16,582 are hitting straight into 1437 01:12:16,749 --> 01:12:19,042 what has been my bread and butter 1438 01:12:19,210 --> 01:12:21,378 for 20 years 1439 01:12:21,546 --> 01:12:25,049 and also the staple of many of my compatriots. 1440 01:12:37,395 --> 01:12:39,730 McCarthy: "Jaws" and then "star wars" 1441 01:12:39,897 --> 01:12:42,691 set a whole new standard. 1442 01:12:42,859 --> 01:12:44,569 I mean, just the bar got set higher. 1443 01:12:44,735 --> 01:12:46,027 You couldn't really get away 1444 01:12:46,195 --> 01:12:48,113 with doing cheap science fiction films anymore. 1445 01:12:48,281 --> 01:12:51,033 Nicholson: I hated "star wars." 1446 01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:54,203 Lf "star wars" doesn't make a ton of cabbage, 1447 01:12:54,370 --> 01:12:56,580 you know, we'd still be having 1448 01:12:56,747 --> 01:13:00,792 these weird green flashing lines going across the screen. 1449 01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,754 All these guys are coming from film school. 1450 01:13:03,921 --> 01:13:07,341 We're all coming from, "let us get a job." 1451 01:13:08,801 --> 01:13:10,594 He did it first with horror pictures, 1452 01:13:10,761 --> 01:13:13,472 with science fiction pictures which he did for no money 1453 01:13:13,639 --> 01:13:17,809 and, you know, quickly and unpretentiously. 1454 01:13:17,977 --> 01:13:19,937 That's who we are today. 1455 01:13:20,104 --> 01:13:21,939 And I miss the Roger corman versions. 1456 01:13:22,106 --> 01:13:25,943 What we see now is the tent poles of the studios. 1457 01:13:26,110 --> 01:13:28,862 The summer and Christmas tent poles 1458 01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:31,741 are very often films that could have been done 1459 01:13:31,908 --> 01:13:35,453 by Roger corman at a much smaller budget. 1460 01:13:35,620 --> 01:13:38,706 But those are the films now that are attracting 1461 01:13:38,873 --> 01:13:40,791 the top filmmakers and the biggest budgets. 1462 01:13:40,958 --> 01:13:44,962 And what has the wonderful revolution done 1463 01:13:45,129 --> 01:13:47,089 for independence of filmmaking? 1464 01:13:47,256 --> 01:13:50,634 Well, we make 12 circuses a year and very few movies. 1465 01:13:50,801 --> 01:13:54,012 When you read that a picture cost $35 million to make, 1466 01:13:54,180 --> 01:13:55,556 what do you think of that cost? 1467 01:13:55,723 --> 01:13:57,474 Actually I think it's wrong. 1468 01:13:57,642 --> 01:14:01,854 I think the artist should be able to express himself 1469 01:14:02,021 --> 01:14:04,148 for less money than that. 1470 01:14:04,315 --> 01:14:07,109 And the businessman should be able to invest his money better. 1471 01:14:07,276 --> 01:14:09,695 I think from both an artistic and a commercial standpoint, 1472 01:14:09,862 --> 01:14:12,155 it is wrong to spend that much money. And in addition, 1473 01:14:12,323 --> 01:14:14,950 I think there are better things to do with the money in our society. 1474 01:14:15,117 --> 01:14:16,660 - For example? - You could-- 1475 01:14:16,827 --> 01:14:18,662 for $30 million or $40 million, 1476 01:14:18,829 --> 01:14:20,831 which is what some of these films are costing, 1477 01:14:20,998 --> 01:14:24,042 you could rebuild a portion of the slums of a city, 1478 01:14:24,210 --> 01:14:25,836 - just as one example. - Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 1479 01:14:26,003 --> 01:14:27,921 So you think it's obscene to spend that much money. 1480 01:14:28,089 --> 01:14:29,423 Yes, I would use that word. 1481 01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:31,717 Once the "star wars" juggernaut thing happened 1482 01:14:31,884 --> 01:14:34,011 and the idea that everything had to be an event movie, 1483 01:14:34,178 --> 01:14:36,013 it just became difficult. The business changed. 1484 01:14:36,180 --> 01:14:38,182 He ended up having to go direct to video with a lot of the stuff. 1485 01:14:38,349 --> 01:14:41,352 There's just 100 billion shelves with 100 billion DVDs 1486 01:14:41,519 --> 01:14:43,687 and it's very hard to stick out. 1487 01:14:43,854 --> 01:14:45,814 He switched over to making slasher movies. 1488 01:14:45,982 --> 01:14:48,734 And that was a very limited genre, so it was harder 1489 01:14:48,901 --> 01:14:51,737 to make something that was interesting in that genre. 1490 01:14:51,904 --> 01:14:54,823 I met him at a dinner party in New York in the early '80s. 1491 01:14:54,991 --> 01:14:57,076 And I said, "aren't you gonna do any more? 1492 01:14:57,243 --> 01:14:58,535 Are you gonna direct a few more?" 1493 01:14:58,703 --> 01:15:01,205 He said, "i don't think so. The whole scene is changing-- 1494 01:15:01,372 --> 01:15:02,915 screwdrivers going into people's heads. 1495 01:15:03,082 --> 01:15:05,584 It just doesn't-- it doesn't-- i don't belong there anymore." 1496 01:15:05,751 --> 01:15:08,795 George hickenlooper: I think he's become more obscure. 1497 01:15:08,963 --> 01:15:11,006 And I think that's too bad, because I think 1498 01:15:11,173 --> 01:15:14,426 he really has a very important legacy in Hollywood. 1499 01:15:14,593 --> 01:15:16,678 When a lot of his stuff went straight to DVD, 1500 01:15:16,846 --> 01:15:20,266 I think he lost a little bit of his mystique and cachet. 1501 01:15:20,433 --> 01:15:23,269 Penelope spheeris: If you walked up to any 1502 01:15:23,436 --> 01:15:26,397 20, 25-year-old film buff 1503 01:15:26,564 --> 01:15:29,358 and asked if they knew who Roger was, 1504 01:15:29,525 --> 01:15:32,194 I think unfortunately they probably don't. 1505 01:15:32,361 --> 01:15:35,989 Gosh, I mean, how many other people 1506 01:15:36,157 --> 01:15:39,743 have made 400-- 385 movies, you know? 1507 01:15:39,910 --> 01:15:42,787 If he hadn't done seven million other pictures, 1508 01:15:42,955 --> 01:15:44,873 he'd have the same reputation 1509 01:15:45,041 --> 01:15:47,293 as any of the other artistes. 1510 01:15:47,460 --> 01:15:49,712 Snyder: Are the people with whom you've worked over the years 1511 01:15:49,879 --> 01:15:51,755 still friendly with you? Do they like you? 1512 01:15:51,922 --> 01:15:53,757 Do they call you on the phone now and again and say, 1513 01:15:53,924 --> 01:15:55,258 "hi, Roger. How is it going?" 1514 01:15:55,426 --> 01:15:58,137 I think so. I still talk with them. Careers move in different directions, 1515 01:15:58,304 --> 01:15:59,847 but most of them are still friends of mine. 1516 01:16:00,014 --> 01:16:02,516 They use words with you like, forgive me, "the schlockmeister." 1517 01:16:02,683 --> 01:16:04,184 Does that bother you when they say those things? 1518 01:16:04,351 --> 01:16:05,352 - Yes. - Does it? 1519 01:16:05,519 --> 01:16:07,687 - Yeah, it bothers me, right. - It should. You're just trying... 1520 01:16:07,855 --> 01:16:09,773 Roth: Roger corman made it okay for all of us 1521 01:16:09,940 --> 01:16:11,399 to make exploitation movies. 1522 01:16:11,567 --> 01:16:13,360 He showed that you shouldn't be embarrassed. 1523 01:16:13,527 --> 01:16:16,029 There's nothing wrong with you for loving a movie like "piranha." 1524 01:16:16,197 --> 01:16:18,365 That it doesn't mean that you're stupid 1525 01:16:18,532 --> 01:16:21,076 for loving a movie that seems like a stupid exploitation movie. 1526 01:16:21,243 --> 01:16:23,578 And that a lot of these films are very smart, 1527 01:16:23,746 --> 01:16:25,330 made with lots of intelligence 1528 01:16:25,498 --> 01:16:27,708 and that it's okay to have fun at the movies. 1529 01:16:27,875 --> 01:16:29,751 I think it's very important 1530 01:16:29,919 --> 01:16:32,796 to let the generation of today know who he is. 1531 01:16:32,963 --> 01:16:36,466 We all-- we knew it almost 40 years ago. 1532 01:16:36,634 --> 01:16:40,638 So it's time to reintroduce him as a director, 1533 01:16:40,805 --> 01:16:43,140 but also what he represents of American entertainment. 1534 01:16:43,307 --> 01:16:46,101 He represents a side of Hollywood 1535 01:16:46,268 --> 01:16:48,687 sort of unto his own, you know. 1536 01:16:48,854 --> 01:16:50,647 You know, there are a lot of Samuel goldwyns, 1537 01:16:50,815 --> 01:16:53,651 a lot of Irving thalbergs. There's really only one Roger corman. 1538 01:16:53,818 --> 01:16:55,486 That style of filmmaking, 1539 01:16:55,653 --> 01:16:58,405 that attitude, that approach to filmmaking 1540 01:16:58,572 --> 01:17:01,283 really is unparalleled. 1541 01:17:03,828 --> 01:17:06,956 You know, I know it's right to have the tie hand-tied, 1542 01:17:07,123 --> 01:17:09,333 but frankly the pre-tied ties 1543 01:17:09,500 --> 01:17:11,793 look better because they're perfect. 1544 01:17:11,961 --> 01:17:15,172 I guess the whole idea is if it's slightly imperfect, 1545 01:17:15,339 --> 01:17:17,466 it's considered to be handmade. 1546 01:17:17,633 --> 01:17:19,509 Julie: Yes. 1547 01:17:19,677 --> 01:17:21,345 There's delight in disorder. 1548 01:17:21,512 --> 01:17:23,514 Right. 1549 01:17:30,855 --> 01:17:32,815 Now... 1550 01:17:36,026 --> 01:17:38,361 - There you go. - Okay. 1551 01:17:56,338 --> 01:17:59,466 We're gonna give the lifetime achievement award 1552 01:17:59,633 --> 01:18:01,092 to Roger corman. 1553 01:18:01,260 --> 01:18:02,928 And they've asked me to be part of it. 1554 01:18:03,929 --> 01:18:06,222 I got to call him. And I said to him, 1555 01:18:06,390 --> 01:18:08,475 "the board of governors of the motion picture academy 1556 01:18:08,642 --> 01:18:10,644 has voted to give you an honorary Oscar 1557 01:18:10,811 --> 01:18:12,521 for your life achievement." 1558 01:18:12,688 --> 01:18:14,606 And there was silence. He wasn't-- 1559 01:18:14,773 --> 01:18:18,067 he goes, "excuse me? That's unbelievable." 1560 01:18:19,111 --> 01:18:21,655 The funny part is, of course, that Roger is, 1561 01:18:21,822 --> 01:18:24,282 you know, the ultimate fierce independent. 1562 01:18:24,450 --> 01:18:26,869 So I told him, "yes," I said, 1563 01:18:27,036 --> 01:18:30,080 "i know when you get up there, you're really gonna stick it to the man." 1564 01:18:36,879 --> 01:18:39,882 Howard: Roger, if you could stand, 1565 01:18:40,049 --> 01:18:42,384 I'd like to offer you a toast. 1566 01:18:42,551 --> 01:18:45,554 For all your 1567 01:18:45,721 --> 01:18:47,764 progressive influence 1568 01:18:47,932 --> 01:18:49,767 in our medium 1569 01:18:49,934 --> 01:18:51,810 and for our industry, 1570 01:18:51,977 --> 01:18:54,688 it's our honor to salute you tonight, Roger. 1571 01:18:54,855 --> 01:18:58,316 Hear, hear. 1572 01:18:58,484 --> 01:19:00,944 Tarantino: The academy thanks you. 1573 01:19:01,111 --> 01:19:03,446 Hollywood thanks you. 1574 01:19:03,614 --> 01:19:06,700 Independent filmmaking thanks you. 1575 01:19:06,867 --> 01:19:08,785 But most importantly, 1576 01:19:08,953 --> 01:19:11,205 for all the wild, weird, 1577 01:19:11,372 --> 01:19:14,500 cool, crazy moments you've put on the drive-in screens, 1578 01:19:14,667 --> 01:19:18,629 the movie lovers of the planet earth thank you. 1579 01:19:23,968 --> 01:19:27,721 He is one of the finest personages in our field. 1580 01:19:27,888 --> 01:19:31,308 Roger, please come up to accept your Oscar. 1581 01:19:52,329 --> 01:19:54,164 Needless to say, I'm delighted 1582 01:19:54,331 --> 01:19:57,208 to accept this Oscar personally, 1583 01:19:57,376 --> 01:20:01,004 but I'd also like to accept it on behalf of my wife Julie, 1584 01:20:01,171 --> 01:20:03,673 who's been my-- 1585 01:20:06,719 --> 01:20:10,013 --my producing partner for many years. 1586 01:20:10,180 --> 01:20:13,224 I think that to succeed in this world 1587 01:20:13,392 --> 01:20:15,394 you have to take chances. 1588 01:20:15,561 --> 01:20:20,061 I believe the finest films being done today 1589 01:20:20,399 --> 01:20:22,901 are done by the original, 1590 01:20:23,068 --> 01:20:24,944 innovative filmmakers 1591 01:20:25,112 --> 01:20:26,988 who have the courage 1592 01:20:27,156 --> 01:20:29,449 to take a chance and to gamble. 1593 01:20:29,616 --> 01:20:31,492 So I say to you, 1594 01:20:31,660 --> 01:20:33,745 keep gambling. Keep taking chances. 1595 01:20:33,912 --> 01:20:36,372 Thank you. 1596 01:20:47,885 --> 01:20:52,264 When I think of sort of sublime moments 1597 01:20:52,431 --> 01:20:55,267 in my professional life, 1598 01:20:55,434 --> 01:20:59,229 I think of winning an academy award, 1599 01:20:59,396 --> 01:21:01,231 and right next to it 1600 01:21:01,398 --> 01:21:04,067 is the wrap party for "Grand Theft Auto." 1601 01:21:04,234 --> 01:21:07,320 Actually everybody grab for it. 1602 01:21:07,488 --> 01:21:09,364 Howard: I'd always dreamed of making a movie 1603 01:21:09,531 --> 01:21:11,241 and Roger let me make a movie. 1604 01:21:11,408 --> 01:21:13,743 And not only did I make it, 1605 01:21:13,911 --> 01:21:16,038 I loved it more than I ever dreamed I might. 1606 01:21:16,205 --> 01:21:18,874 Is this sort of like the way you get an honorary degree at Harvard? 1607 01:21:19,041 --> 01:21:20,500 Am I an honorary member 1608 01:21:20,667 --> 01:21:23,252 of the Roger corman school of filmmaking? 1609 01:21:23,420 --> 01:21:25,088 You know, I don't know. 1610 01:21:25,255 --> 01:21:27,924 I'm actually a little tongue-tied when I'm with Roger. 1611 01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:31,386 I just have-- 1612 01:21:31,553 --> 01:21:33,972 you know, we're completely different kind of people. 1613 01:21:34,139 --> 01:21:36,307 And I have such respect for him. 1614 01:21:36,475 --> 01:21:38,351 You know, every once in a while 1615 01:21:38,519 --> 01:21:40,395 Roger would come to my rescue pretty much, 1616 01:21:40,562 --> 01:21:43,147 you know, when things were-- nothing was happening. 1617 01:21:44,733 --> 01:21:47,777 Polly platt: My husband left me and the phone stopped ringing, 1618 01:21:47,945 --> 01:21:50,781 but the only person who called me was Roger. 1619 01:21:52,783 --> 01:21:55,744 And he said, "you can direct a picture any time you want. 1620 01:21:55,911 --> 01:21:58,455 I'll produce it for you." 1621 01:21:58,622 --> 01:22:02,459 So he's the only person who called me. 1622 01:22:04,586 --> 01:22:07,797 Demme: We'll put them on our Facebook pages. 1623 01:22:07,965 --> 01:22:09,800 I mean, there's nobody in there 1624 01:22:09,967 --> 01:22:14,137 that he didn't in the most important way support. 1625 01:22:14,304 --> 01:22:17,098 He was, you know, my main connec-- 1626 01:22:17,266 --> 01:22:19,518 my lifeblood 1627 01:22:19,685 --> 01:22:22,062 to whatever I thought i was gonna be 1628 01:22:22,229 --> 01:22:24,606 3s a person. 1629 01:22:24,773 --> 01:22:26,983 And, you know, i hope he knows 1630 01:22:27,151 --> 01:22:29,444 that this is not all hot air. 1631 01:22:29,611 --> 01:22:31,988 I'm gonna cry now. 1632 01:22:34,199 --> 01:22:37,035 Not just me, who's very sentimental, 1633 01:22:37,202 --> 01:22:40,496 but these other people also love him. 1634 01:22:44,918 --> 01:22:46,836 50ml- 1635 01:22:58,140 --> 01:23:02,352 corman: Mike, i'vejust gotten off the phone with syfy. 1636 01:23:02,519 --> 01:23:05,730 They're very worried about the climax of the script. 1637 01:23:05,898 --> 01:23:09,026 They believe the Mayan dance sequence 1638 01:23:09,193 --> 01:23:11,695 in the jungle is not big enough. 1639 01:23:11,862 --> 01:23:14,364 I'm going to make the stage bigger 1640 01:23:14,531 --> 01:23:17,909 and bring in almost a Mayan village rather than a temple. 1641 01:23:18,076 --> 01:23:21,287 He wants to stay in the game. 1642 01:23:21,455 --> 01:23:23,915 To some extent, he does see 1643 01:23:24,082 --> 01:23:26,209 making movies as a game, 1644 01:23:26,376 --> 01:23:28,252 a game that you can win or lose. 1645 01:23:28,420 --> 01:23:30,755 And staying in means that you're winning. 1646 01:23:32,007 --> 01:23:33,717 Julie: These are for "splatter." 1647 01:23:33,884 --> 01:23:36,011 - Oh, for "splatter," okay. - Yes. 1648 01:23:36,178 --> 01:23:39,347 He really epitomized what's wonderful about the American dream-- 1649 01:23:39,515 --> 01:23:41,183 that you can succeed no matter what. 1650 01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:43,393 Even if you fail, you can reinvent yourself. 1651 01:23:49,441 --> 01:23:52,068 Anderson: If you love it and you're allowed to keep working, 1652 01:23:52,236 --> 01:23:54,321 or you have the energy to keep working, as Roger does, 1653 01:23:54,488 --> 01:23:56,072 there is no retirement age. 1654 01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:58,033 No one kind of gives you your gold watch 1655 01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:00,285 and tells you to go home because your career's over. 1656 01:24:04,248 --> 01:24:06,083 Let's go back, 1657 01:24:06,250 --> 01:24:09,753 cut on the frame after she exits the shot-- 1658 01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:12,923 barn! Right there. 1659 01:24:15,133 --> 01:24:17,301 There's an arab Maxim, which is, 1660 01:24:17,469 --> 01:24:20,138 "the dogs bark, but the caravan moves on." 1661 01:24:20,305 --> 01:24:22,557 And this is Roger to me, as the caravan, you know. 1662 01:24:22,724 --> 01:24:24,350 He's making the decision and moving forward. 1663 01:24:24,518 --> 01:24:25,936 And you're saying, "but wait a minute, 1664 01:24:26,103 --> 01:24:28,105 you haven't thought about what the actors will think. 1665 01:24:28,272 --> 01:24:30,065 And what about if the truck isn't available?" 1666 01:24:30,232 --> 01:24:33,109 "We're gonna shoot this here now." 1667 01:24:59,845 --> 01:25:03,932 Consider yourselves officially enrolled in rock 'n' roll high school. 1668 01:25:04,099 --> 01:25:06,768 The facilities are yours. Do whatever you want. 1669 01:25:08,687 --> 01:25:11,439 ♪ Do you want to dance and hold my hand? ♪ 1670 01:25:11,607 --> 01:25:13,817 ♪ Tell me, baby, I'm your lover man ♪ 1671 01:25:13,984 --> 01:25:15,735 ♪ oh, baby ♪ 1672 01:25:15,902 --> 01:25:19,155 ♪ do you want to dance? ♪ 1673 01:25:19,323 --> 01:25:22,200 ♪ Do you want to dance under the moonlight? ♪ 1674 01:25:22,367 --> 01:25:24,452 ♪ Squeeze me, baby, all through the night ♪ 1675 01:25:24,620 --> 01:25:26,246 ♪ oh, baby ♪ 1676 01:25:26,413 --> 01:25:28,665 ♪ do you want to dance? ♪ 1677 01:25:30,375 --> 01:25:32,668 ♪ Do you, do you, do you, do you want to dance? ♪ 1678 01:25:32,836 --> 01:25:35,171 ♪ Do you, do you, do you, do you want to dance? ♪ 1679 01:25:35,339 --> 01:25:38,175 ♪ Do you, do you, do you, do you want to dance? ♪ 1680 01:25:38,342 --> 01:25:39,760 What the hell? 1681 01:25:45,515 --> 01:25:48,893 ♪ Do you want to dance under the moonlight? ♪ 1682 01:25:49,061 --> 01:25:50,854 ♪ Squeeze me, baby, all though the night ♪ 1683 01:25:51,021 --> 01:25:52,897 ♪ oh, baby ♪ 1684 01:25:53,065 --> 01:25:55,859 ♪ do you want to dance? ♪ 1685 01:25:56,026 --> 01:25:59,446 ♪ Do you want to dance under the moonlight? ♪ 1686 01:25:59,613 --> 01:26:01,364 ♪ Squeeze me, baby, all though the night ♪ 1687 01:26:01,531 --> 01:26:03,449 ♪ oh, baby ♪ 1688 01:26:03,617 --> 01:26:07,203 ♪ do you want to dance? ♪ 1689 01:26:07,371 --> 01:26:09,873 ♪ Do you want to dance under the moonlight? ♪ 1690 01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:11,833 ♪ Squeeze me, baby, all though the night ♪ 1691 01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:13,835 ♪ oh, baby ♪ 1692 01:26:14,002 --> 01:26:17,171 ♪ do you want to dance? ♪ 1693 01:26:17,339 --> 01:26:20,216 ♪ Do you, do you, do you, do you want to dance? ♪ 1694 01:26:20,384 --> 01:26:22,511 ♪ Do you, do you, do you, do you want to dance? ♪ 1695 01:26:22,678 --> 01:26:24,471 ♪ Do you, do you, do you ♪ 1696 01:26:24,638 --> 01:26:27,724 ♪ do you want to dance? ♪ 1697 01:26:27,891 --> 01:26:29,934 - Sir. - Excuse me, I'm on the phone. 1698 01:26:30,102 --> 01:26:32,562 - The piranhas. - What about the goddamn piranhas? 1699 01:26:32,729 --> 01:26:34,272 They're eating the guests, sir. 1700 01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:35,898 ♪ Do you, do you, do you, do you want to dance? ♪ 1701 01:26:36,066 --> 01:26:38,568 ♪ Do you, do you, do you, do you want to dance? ♪ 1702 01:26:38,735 --> 01:26:40,319 ♪ Do you, do you, do you ♪ 1703 01:26:40,487 --> 01:26:44,032 ♪ do you want to dance? ♪ 1704 01:26:44,199 --> 01:26:46,242 ♪ Do you, do you, do you, do you want to dance? ♪ 1705 01:26:46,410 --> 01:26:49,037 ♪ Do you, do you, do you, do you want to dance? ♪ 1706 01:26:49,204 --> 01:26:50,830 ♪ Do you, do you, do you ♪ 1707 01:26:50,997 --> 01:26:54,417 ♪ do you want to dance? ♪ 1708 01:26:54,584 --> 01:26:56,919 ♪ Do you, do you, do you, do you want to dance? ♪ 1709 01:26:57,087 --> 01:26:59,589 ♪ Do you, do you, do you, do you want to dance? ♪ 1710 01:26:59,756 --> 01:27:01,340 ♪ Do you, do you, do you ♪ 1711 01:27:01,508 --> 01:27:04,427 ♪ do you want to dance? ♪ 1712 01:27:20,610 --> 01:27:24,030 Hey, quiet. Quiet, everybody. Listen. Quiet. 138082

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