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In a filmmaking career
that has spanned over 30 years,
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my next guest is the man responsible
for such cinematic classics
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as "the house of Usher,"
"wild angels,"
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"the monster
from the ocean floor,"
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"the attack
of the crab monsters."
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Please welcome Roger corman.
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Low-budget movies in those days--
it wasn't like today.
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Nobody was really trying
to make them good.
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There was the real emphasis
on the price.
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Roger corman has made more
than 200 motion pictures in his career,
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most of them
for extremely low budget.
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He's produced
around 150-175 films.
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He made so many movies.
In 1957, he directed 10 movies.
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Most people
don't get to do that.
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He made 250 movies
and never lost a dime.
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Okay, this is not
a $20-million movie.
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You know, this is
a $1.98 science fiction movie.
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We knew these were made
fast and cheap,
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and we also knew that taste
was out of the question.
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There was no need for taste.
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The way Disney movies, you know,
bring out the child in all of us,
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you know,
so can exploitation.
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Sometimes he'll give the notes
right on the script
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and you get little
marginal references like
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"breast nudity possible here?"
Question mark.
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The goal was, Roger said,
"every motorcycle that runs,
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have it smash into something.
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And then when it stops running,
blow it up."
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Aah!
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He said, "your job,
if the cops come,
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is to pick up the camera
and run."
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I said, "we're in the middle
of the desert.
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What do you mean,
there is no water?"
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It's a Roger corman movie, you know.
There's no water.
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You know, they kind of went
around the sound stage,
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one take on everything.
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That's just the way he worked.
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You know, you didn't
argue with him.
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And we were delighted
to be working.
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It doesn't matter
if people are happy.
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It doesn't matter if you have a permit.
None of it matters.
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You know, the only thing that counts
is what you get inside the frame.
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He's still around,
making pictures
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in his 80s and he's--
i just saw him the other day.
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He hasn't changed at all.
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Man: One, two, three.
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And action!
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Man: One, two, three.
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I'm in the water
with a giant creature on my arms...
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...pumping blood out, chomping on
a beautiful girl in a bikini.
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I mean, it's the essence
of Roger corman cinema.
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Roger corman:
We feel that the monster
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should kill somebody
fairly early
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and then at regular intervals
through the picture.
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The first kill should be
quite shocking.
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The other kills can be
a little bit less shocking
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as we build up.
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And then of course the climax--
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everything goes,
blood all over the screen.
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Frances doel: Roger had made
two previous movies
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for the syfy channel
that did very well for them.
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And he said, "okay, Frances,
it's 'dinoshark.'
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you know what that is."
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And of course I say,
"yes, I know what that is.
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It's a giant shark."
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"Yes, but not too much like 'jaws."'
"No, of course not."
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- Woman: 122-Charlie, take three.
- Man: Marker.
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Julie corman:
"Dinoshark" is about a shark
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that is unloosed
because of global warming
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from an avalanche
north of Alaska...
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Eric balfour:
That's your killer.
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It hasn't eaten
in 150 million years
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and it's hungry.
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Julie:
...And somehow mysteriously
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makes its way south
to puerto vallarta
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and pretty much terrorizes
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everybody and everything
in sight.
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David carradine:
You know, that whole world
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is just so different from
the "entertainment weekly" world
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or the academy award world.
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The golden globes
don't even hear about these things.
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You know, these pictures--
they just go someplace else.
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And there's an incredible
number of people
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that want to see a picture
just like this.
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Doel: The paradise village
location
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also had some accommodation
for actors and crew and so on.
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So that's always been one of those
little tricks up Roger's sleeve--
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how he can do what he does
on a budget.
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Roger always said, you know,
"you could make 'Lawrence of Arabia'
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for a half a million dollars.
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You just don't leave the tent."
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Balfour:
If you could imagine
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knows Berry farm set on a beach,
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but the only people in the park
were senior citizens,
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no rides, but it had
a theme-park-like atmosphere,
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that is what we have
affectionately dubbed
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paradise prison.
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Who is two minutes
from being ready for what?
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Balfour: At first I thought
it was maybe some kind of
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electromagnetic field that doesn't
allow the walkie-talkie service.
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Man: I need a radio
that works.
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But it turns out
that we just bought,
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you know,
children's walkie-talkies.
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This is full-on
guerilla-style filmmaking.
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I mean, you know, we're sort of
running and gunning
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and stealing locations
and driving boats
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- where they shouldn't be driven.
- Man: Go, go, go, get out!
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Oh, my god.
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At one point they wanted
somebody to get in this water...
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- Man: Action!
- ...To get attacked by something.
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Well, it turns out there was actually
things to get attacked by.
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Not that this wasn't obvious.
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There was a giant sign
that said "crocodiles."
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Should she be there?
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Well, that's where she was
in the wide shot.
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- The way this will be cut, it'll work.
- Okay. All right.
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You wouldn't think of the movies,
if you met him,
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that he'd have done
all these movies--
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very polite, very--
almost British.
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He really came across, I felt,
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as more like an English
film professor, you know.
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I expected him to be teaching
at Oxford or Cambridge
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rather than kind of making
all of these
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kind of violent exploitation movies
that he had made.
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I thought he'd be more like
Lee j. Cobb, let's say,
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or somebody a little--
where they're smoking a cigar
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and pounding
on the desk and--
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"you kids get in there
and do that work," and, you know--
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and actually
he's very eloquent,
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elegant and precise,
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cool-headed,
from what I saw,
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and very, very different
from the type of person
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you'd think would be behind
these pictures like "teenage cave man."
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Corman:
The difference between
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the image you present
to the world
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and what is going on inside,
in your unconscious mind,
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is significant.
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I've been told
that my image is
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I'm just sort of an ordinary
straight guy.
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Clearly my unconscious mind
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is some sort of
a boiling inferno there.
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Like most kids,
i was interested in films
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essentially all my life.
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I graduated from Stanford university
in California in engineering.
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I worked four days
as an engineer and quit.
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The only job I could get in films
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was a messenger
at 20th century fox.
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And I worked my way up from that
to become a story analyst.
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I read scripts,
commented on them,
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and handed in a synopsis
of the script or the novel
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or whatever had been proposed
with my opinion.
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As the youngest reader,
i was given
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frankly the most hopeless
scripts to cover.
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And the story editor said,
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"Roger, you have never
recommended one script."
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And I said, "you've never given me
a script that's worth recommending."
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So they sent me a script
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which was the first thing
I'd ever read at fox
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that I thought was really
any good at all.
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And I made a number
of notes on it.
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The picture became "the gunfighter"
starring Gregory peck.
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And the story editor
got a bonus for my notes.
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And I got no recognition
for the fact
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that a number of my ideas
were used in the script.
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This became a big hit for fox.
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You would have thought he would have
had some acknowledgement.
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This caused him to leave fox
and become what he is today.
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After "the gunfighter,"
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he corralled some money
from our parents
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and some of his money
and a few friends',
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got an enormous number
of deferments
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and made his first film--
"monster from the ocean floor."
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And that was basically
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the beginnings of Roger corman.
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I was the producer,
the assistant director and everything.
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I would drive the truck
to the location
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and unload everything I could
by myself.
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And I would save about an hour
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on the crew salary
every morning.
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The second picture I made
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was a picture called
"the fast and the furious."
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It was about road racing and of course
had very, very little money.
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Jonathan haze: Roger went to
some sports car dealerships
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and borrowed sports cars.
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And we took the windshields off them
and actually raced them.
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And then we'd clean them up
and take them back.
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Roger was just so inane
at the time
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and was trying
to do it himself
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and was starting
to run out of money.
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If you don't understand money
in the movie business,
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it's like an artist
who doesn't understand paint.
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Roger told me,
"well, I understand paint.
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If I got to thin her up with turpentine
or there's no picture,
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why, she gets thinned up a little.
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That's all there is to it."
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I could see the problem
for the independent.
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You raised the money.
You made the picture.
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And then you had to wait
for the picture to earn its money back
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before you could make
another picture.
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But Sam arkoff
and Jim Nicholson
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were starting a new company--
American international.
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And they made me an offer
for "the fast and the furious"
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to start their company with.
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I said, "i want
a three-picture deal
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in which I'm guaranteed
my money back.
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As soon as I finish one film,
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I go to the next one
using the guarantee."
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And that essentially
started me
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on a regular basis
of making films
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and started
American international.
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Don't call me "squaw."
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You're a dirty apache squaw.
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I'm gonna kill you.
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Your people did that--
raiding, thieving, killing.
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Haze: I was very famous
for fighting with the girls.
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This was "apache woman."
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Joan Taylor and I did
a knife fight in the street.
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And this is dick Miller
in the background
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where he belonged.
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A friend of mine,
Jonathan haze, said,
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"well, maybe I'll introduce you
to Roger corman and he can help you."
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We went down there.
He said, "what do you do?"
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I said, "I'm a writer."
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He said, "we don't need
any writers right now."
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He says, "i need actors."
I said, "I'm an actor."
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He says, "you want to play
an Indian for me?"
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At the end I got killed.
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Roger said, "how would you like
to play a cowboy for me?"
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I said, "oh, are we going
to another picture?"
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He says,
"no, no, this picture."
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I said, "oh, god. Okay."
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I wound up killing myself
in the last scene.
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I don't know
what the budgets were,
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but they were really low.
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We shot them in seven days,
so that gives you an idea.
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And that's everything,
including special effects
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or anything else, you know.
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Some weren't all that great, and Roger'd
be the first guy to tell you that.
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I never had the opportunity
to go to film school.
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My student work
was being shown on the screen.
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And some of it wasn't quite as good
as it might have been,
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but I was learning
all the time.
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Beat it, I said.
You're on a battlefield.
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I know that better than you do,
sergeant. How well are you doing?
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Half my men are dead.
Nothing can stop that thing.
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Call off your troops.
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Scorsese: It's as if these films
were being made
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on your street corner,
in a way.
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They weren't encumbered
by having to deal with "art"
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with a capital a-r-t.
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They just weren't-- I mean,
they're art in another way.
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Corman:
I learned fairly quickly
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how to handle the camera,
what to do with editing,
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but I didn't know enough
about acting,
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and I felt I should simply
take a class.
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And that was where I met
Jack Nicholson.
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Nicholson: He came into the class
with that little smile,
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and everybody's as serious
as a heart attack, you know.
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He had-- when I was
first working for him,
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he told me he had
12 companies,
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the contracts of which
were all in his back pocket.
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I mean, he was
a one-man band.
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Don't make me.
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Don't be a fool, kid.
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You think I would carry
a real gun?
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As a matter of fact, the first picture
Jack Nicholson starred in
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was for me-- a picture called
"the cry baby killer"
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about a kid who takes
a drive-in hostage.
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It's coming. Can't you get him
to be quiet until it comes?
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Nicholson: I hadn't really
worked at all before.
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Then I got a lead in the movie.
I thought, "oh, this is it.
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I'm here.
I'm gonna be big," you know.
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Then I didn't even get an interview
for the next year.
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Look, Carole was a swell girl
until Manny got his hands on her.
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You mean, till she wanted
Manny's hands on her.
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Listen, Fred...
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"Cry baby killer"
was just humiliating...
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...but good for me.
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Hey, Roger's the only guy
who hired me for about 10 years.
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Teenagers-- never had 'em
when I was a kid.
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The word "teenager" didn't
really exist until the '50s.
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If you look at the '40s and '30s,
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their idea of a teenage movie
was "Andy Hardy."
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Hey, Betsy.
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Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy!
What do you think's happened?
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- What do you think's happened?
- What? Well, tell me what.
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Cynthia won't go to the dance and
i don't know why and I don't want to.
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Times were changing.
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- Dave!
- Okay, Johnny.
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Corman: The major studios
didn't really understand
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the audience was looking for
a different type of film.
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If we were going to make pictures
about young people,
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I'd have picked a young guy
like Jack Nicholson.
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But you're through
breaking the law.
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Sarge, I don't break the law.
I make my own.
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Roger really realized
that young people at that time
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really liked movies
where teenagers
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were in trouble
with the authorities.
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He had found an audience
that you didn't have to go
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through the studio system
to reach.
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Not only was he a rebel
from Hollywood
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in that he did it all himself and did it
outside of the studio system,
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but there was an edge of rebellion,
you know, to the movies.
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Dante: You make it
as disreputable as possible
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so that the parents
wouldn't want them to see it
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and that they feel
that when they go there,
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they're doing
something transgressive,
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and you've got an audience.
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You're making
outlaw movies, basically.
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And Roger has always
been an outlaw.
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Let go of me, you big ape!
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Now beat it, smart boy,
and don't come back
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or I'll break your head.
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Break whose head,
you phony frenchman?
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You ain't so tough.
Took this moosehead to throw me out.
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Corman: I've always been
anti-establishment.
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I spent two years in the Navy.
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Those were the worst
two years of my life.
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I came very close to setting the record
for the most demerits,
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because I felt
if they set up a rule,
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I really must break that rule.
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Ron Howard:
Roger understood
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the need for audiences
to identify with rebellion.
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Beating the system--
that's cathartic,
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you know, defining yourself
on your own terms.
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These things are elemental.
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They're all what we go through
during those rites of passage.
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I think that he understood
that when he was dealing
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with those basic experiences
and feelings
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that he was talking
to a young audience.
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We know he always had
something up his sleeve.
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He was more irreverent.
He was more hip--
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very hip, very cool.
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"A bucket of blood" is a really good
example of parody
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of the hip scene,
the beat scene in la.
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Walter, you've done
something to me,
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something deep down
inside of my prana.
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I have?
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Oh, Walter,
i want to be with you.
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You're creative.
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Almost all of Roger's pictures
has a little edge to them.
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They were--
they just bordered on
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something sacrosanct,
that you shouldn't touch this,
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and he did it anyway.
345
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And that's usually
what pulled the picture through.
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Feed me.
347
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I'm sorry, pal.
I'm fresh out of blood.
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Talk to somebody else.
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I'm hungry.
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I don't care what you are.
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Can't you see I'm knocked out?
I just killed a man.
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I'm a murderer.
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He was always pushing.
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Roger's idea at the time
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was to cut down
the time of shooting.
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So now his ambition
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was to make a film in two days.
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Now no novocain.
It dulls the senses.
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Haze: It was work. I mean, we would
get there early in the morning
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and we'd just start
grinding out these scenes.
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One day was half the movie.
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Oh, my god,
don't stop now.
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Roger had borrowed
all the dental equipment
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from his personal dentist
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and they hadn't bolted it
down to the floor.
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We banged into this big dental shit
and it started to fall over.
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And Roger cut the camera
and ran out
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and saved the dental equipment.
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To hell with the scene.
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I can truly say I've never
enjoyed myself so much.
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Nicholson: I'd have terrible experiences
going into the theater
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with movies that I had made
in that period with Roger,
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'cause, you know, they were kind of--
a lot of them were grim.
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- Bye.
- Bye now.
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By mistake he actually made
a good picture every once in a while.
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I was never in it,
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but that was as much my fault
as the next guy's.
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Corman: By the beginning
of the '60s
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I began to have confidence
in my ability
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to master the craft.
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At least
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she has found peace now.
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Has she?
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Jonathan demme:
We'd never miss a poe movie.
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They were riveting and stylish
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and hip and funny.
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And we couldn't wait
for the next one.
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And of course with Roger,
you didn't have to wait very long.
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The next one was gonna come out,
like, a month later.
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Do you know where you are,
bartolome?
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The pit
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and the pendulum.
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Howard: The poe movies
were huge for me,
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especially "the pit
and the pendulum."
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They had this TV campaign
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where the blade was coming down,
you know, and just kind of-- whew.
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And, oh, my god, it was--
and I rushed.
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In fact, that's probably the first time
that a TV campaign
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made me go to the movie.
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They were so successful,
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I ended up making
six Edgar Allan poe films.
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Scorsese:
The artistry of the films
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really developed
into the poe pictures:
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"The house of Usher,"
"the pit and the pendulum,"
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and "the tomb of ligeia,"
which is my favorite.
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She desecrates the earth
in which she lies.
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A nervous contraction,
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nothing more.
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Scorsese: He was a name
that we'd go like--
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I must say
like a Hitchcock film.
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We'd go see a Roger corman.
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Corman: They wanted me
to make more,
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but by that time I said, "enough.
I'm starting to repeat myself."
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We played it for a little bit of humor
in some of the later pictures,
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particularly "the raven."
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Nicholson:
I was doing "the raven."
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And he said,
"Jack, look, these sets
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are gonna be up
over the weekend,
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so I can use
the same sets for free.
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I'm gonna have somebody
write something."
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And he went
and he got a guy who wrote
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68 pages of just dialogue.
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To this day, no one knows
the plot of "the terror."
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It was very strange. I mean,
we played the weirdest characters.
425
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I played a guy
that was an assistant to a witch.
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In the beginning of the film,
I'm a deaf-mute.
427
00:23:06,385 --> 00:23:08,553
And then halfway through
the film, they decided
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that they didn't have
an ending for the film.
429
00:23:10,514 --> 00:23:11,890
They'd better make me talk.
430
00:23:12,057 --> 00:23:14,184
I can say no more.
There is great danger.
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Find Eric.
Eric knows.
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Haze:
Dick played a livery Butler
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with a New York accent.
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Nicholson: And you'll see
in the picture now--
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god forbid, I don't want
to encourage anyone to see it--
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I throw dick Miller
up against this door.
437
00:23:29,491 --> 00:23:30,533
Where's the baron?
438
00:23:30,701 --> 00:23:32,786
We must get to him.
He's locked himself in the crypt.
439
00:23:32,953 --> 00:23:35,372
And dick Miller
now tries to explain
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the entire picture in one speech.
441
00:23:38,459 --> 00:23:40,961
The baron did return that night
to find Eric with the baroness
442
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and he did kill her.
443
00:23:42,421 --> 00:23:43,839
But there was a struggle,
and in the fight
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it was not Eric who died,
but the baron.
445
00:23:46,133 --> 00:23:47,425
I killed the baron.
446
00:23:47,593 --> 00:23:49,928
It's the only film
that I'd defy anybody to--
447
00:23:50,095 --> 00:23:52,806
'cause there is-- there's no story
actually arrived at.
448
00:23:52,973 --> 00:23:55,225
Corman:
Various directors shot the film.
449
00:23:55,392 --> 00:23:58,937
Francis coppola started
and shot some sequences at big sur,
450
00:23:59,104 --> 00:24:01,523
but then got an opportunity
at a major studio.
451
00:24:01,690 --> 00:24:04,442
So I had monte hellman
shoot for a while.
452
00:24:04,610 --> 00:24:06,737
Monte then got another job
453
00:24:06,904 --> 00:24:09,323
and I think--
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00:24:09,490 --> 00:24:10,866
I've forgotten all the directors.
455
00:24:11,033 --> 00:24:12,451
There were four or five directors,
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00:24:12,618 --> 00:24:15,537
including finally Jack Nicholson
shot some scenes himself.
457
00:24:15,704 --> 00:24:17,664
And eventually
i went in for an hour
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and shot the final tie-in shots
and finished the picture.
459
00:24:21,126 --> 00:24:23,628
It is a somewhat
confusing picture.
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00:24:37,017 --> 00:24:38,893
Oh, man, god.
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00:24:39,061 --> 00:24:42,189
Hopeless, all of it.
462
00:24:42,356 --> 00:24:46,856
I think he wanted to be taken
seriously as a filmmaker
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because up until then
he'd been making
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monster movies
and Sci-Fi movies.
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Perhaps it's not so much
that he wanted critical acclaim,
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00:24:55,494 --> 00:24:59,206
but he wanted some depth,
some feeling,
467
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some reason
for making a movie.
468
00:25:01,667 --> 00:25:04,044
I wanted to do something
a little bit different.
469
00:25:04,211 --> 00:25:06,087
And I'd read the book
"the lntruder,"
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which was about the integration
of the schools in the south.
471
00:25:09,550 --> 00:25:11,510
And I wanted to make
that picture.
472
00:25:11,677 --> 00:25:15,305
I was very much in favor
of integration.
473
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I showed the screenplay
to American international
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and said, "this will be
my next picture."
475
00:25:20,394 --> 00:25:23,855
To my real surprise, they said
they didn't want to make it.
476
00:25:24,023 --> 00:25:25,858
And they'd never said no.
477
00:25:26,025 --> 00:25:29,028
I took it to allied artists.
They said no.
478
00:25:29,194 --> 00:25:31,863
Everybody said no, so I said,
"all right, I'll make it myself."
479
00:25:32,031 --> 00:25:35,409
So my brother and i
produced it in the south.
480
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"He was a leader of men,
but he was evil.
481
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He was a stranger,
but he brought lust and love,
482
00:25:42,332 --> 00:25:44,834
rape and hate
to this quiet Southern town.
483
00:25:45,002 --> 00:25:46,753
He was the intruder."
484
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,298
This is not the reason
we made this film.
485
00:25:50,466 --> 00:25:53,677
It is the exact opposite
486
00:25:53,844 --> 00:25:56,555
of what we intended
this film to be.
487
00:25:56,722 --> 00:26:00,684
It was not and is not
an exploitation film.
488
00:26:00,851 --> 00:26:04,563
This picture was the first film
that Roger could actually make
489
00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:06,773
a statement
about his personal feelings
490
00:26:06,940 --> 00:26:09,233
as opposed to doing
the poe films
491
00:26:09,401 --> 00:26:12,737
or the films that were just
exploitation, drive-in films.
492
00:26:14,782 --> 00:26:16,909
Corman: Playing the lead
was the new young actor
493
00:26:17,076 --> 00:26:20,079
making his first film--
bill shatner.
494
00:26:20,245 --> 00:26:23,873
All I knew was that it was
a wonderful part
495
00:26:24,041 --> 00:26:26,334
and it was a wonderful
opportunity for me
496
00:26:26,502 --> 00:26:28,587
at an early point in my career.
497
00:26:28,754 --> 00:26:31,131
The character I played
was based on a real person.
498
00:26:31,298 --> 00:26:34,092
He was a white supremacist
from New York City
499
00:26:34,259 --> 00:26:38,304
and went down into the south
to rabble-rouse
500
00:26:38,472 --> 00:26:42,767
and tries to stop
the integration of a school.
501
00:26:42,935 --> 00:26:46,730
I mean, they've got 10 niggers
enrolled already in the school.
502
00:26:46,897 --> 00:26:48,523
And they're starting Monday.
503
00:26:48,690 --> 00:26:51,109
Yes, I know.
Do you think it's right?
504
00:26:51,276 --> 00:26:52,986
No, I sure don't.
505
00:26:53,153 --> 00:26:54,612
Neither does nobody.
506
00:26:54,780 --> 00:26:56,156
But it's the law.
507
00:26:56,323 --> 00:26:58,074
Whose law?
508
00:26:58,242 --> 00:27:01,286
Shatner: What is difficult
for people to understand now--
509
00:27:01,453 --> 00:27:05,415
"separate but equal"
was the law of the land.
510
00:27:05,582 --> 00:27:07,667
That meant water fountains,
511
00:27:07,835 --> 00:27:09,795
that meant restaurants,
512
00:27:09,962 --> 00:27:11,463
it meant schools
513
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:14,215
that were totally segregated.
514
00:27:14,383 --> 00:27:17,761
It was the height
of the integration wars.
515
00:27:20,639 --> 00:27:23,475
It became very apparent
once we were down there
516
00:27:23,642 --> 00:27:26,478
that people held
polar opposite views
517
00:27:26,645 --> 00:27:28,313
of what was right
and what was wrong.
518
00:27:30,315 --> 00:27:32,191
Man: Take it easy, nigger.
You're not going anywhere.
519
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:33,985
- Driver: What's the trouble?
- Are you looking for trouble?
520
00:27:34,153 --> 00:27:35,737
No, sir. We're on our way
to the house.
521
00:27:35,904 --> 00:27:37,155
"Just on our way to the house."
522
00:27:37,322 --> 00:27:40,158
I didn't tell people
what the subject matter is,
523
00:27:40,325 --> 00:27:42,785
but the title-- "lntruder," you know.
524
00:27:42,953 --> 00:27:45,789
And with the track record
of Roger, all the films,
525
00:27:45,956 --> 00:27:48,541
I mean, they naturally thought
it was a horror film
526
00:27:48,709 --> 00:27:50,669
or something in that genre.
527
00:27:50,836 --> 00:27:55,336
It was only as everything
started to unfold
528
00:27:55,507 --> 00:27:58,051
and they saw exactly
what was happening--
529
00:27:58,218 --> 00:28:00,637
I mean, people were
driving us out of locations.
530
00:28:00,804 --> 00:28:02,680
We had to change motels.
531
00:28:02,848 --> 00:28:05,475
I mean, it got to be
very heavy down there.
532
00:28:05,642 --> 00:28:08,686
Hey, are you really gonna make him
go to the white school tomorrow?
533
00:28:08,854 --> 00:28:10,939
Why, I'm not making him go.
534
00:28:11,106 --> 00:28:12,482
Am I, Joey?
535
00:28:12,649 --> 00:28:15,360
- No, ma.
- Well, it's too bad I ain't old enough.
536
00:28:15,527 --> 00:28:17,320
I wouldn't be scared,
that's all.
537
00:28:17,487 --> 00:28:18,571
Who's scared?
538
00:28:18,739 --> 00:28:20,615
We were having
our lives threatened
539
00:28:20,782 --> 00:28:23,117
to make a film about integration.
540
00:28:23,285 --> 00:28:27,497
Roger displayed
such courage under fire.
541
00:28:27,664 --> 00:28:30,166
And gene corman,
his brother--
542
00:28:30,334 --> 00:28:32,419
such courage to make the film.
543
00:28:32,586 --> 00:28:34,462
There was such animosity
544
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:37,382
and the experience of hatred
545
00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:41,219
that I think we realized
we had a bigger problem.
546
00:28:41,386 --> 00:28:43,721
I think we were more naive
547
00:28:43,889 --> 00:28:47,058
than we should have been
at that point in time.
548
00:28:47,226 --> 00:28:50,354
You were alone with a white girl
549
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,772
in the basement of the school,
550
00:28:52,940 --> 00:28:55,442
but you didn't try to do anything?
551
00:28:55,609 --> 00:28:58,695
Is that what you expect us
to believe, nigger?
552
00:28:58,862 --> 00:29:01,573
Well, speak up!
553
00:29:02,991 --> 00:29:05,743
Gene: We felt we should
definitely expose our audience
554
00:29:05,911 --> 00:29:07,412
to this kind of material,
555
00:29:07,579 --> 00:29:10,248
because this is what
was going on in America
556
00:29:10,415 --> 00:29:12,625
and somebody
had to say, "stop.
557
00:29:12,793 --> 00:29:15,253
This is not the American way."
558
00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:18,256
It was a lie-- everything,
559
00:29:18,423 --> 00:29:21,717
everything I said
about Joey, all of it.
560
00:29:26,223 --> 00:29:29,100
You were gonna kill this boy.
You know it and I know it.
561
00:29:29,268 --> 00:29:32,187
Shatner: Making films
is a dedication.
562
00:29:32,354 --> 00:29:34,105
You have to be possessed.
563
00:29:34,273 --> 00:29:36,233
At some point there,
i realized
564
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,111
that they had mortgaged
their home for that film.
565
00:29:39,278 --> 00:29:42,197
That, perhaps, was the most
admirable thing of all,
566
00:29:42,364 --> 00:29:44,699
because it's one thing
to be cavalier
567
00:29:44,866 --> 00:29:46,742
about spending money
that isn't yours,
568
00:29:46,910 --> 00:29:50,663
but to be so adamant
569
00:29:50,831 --> 00:29:55,331
as to put your house
on the line,
570
00:29:55,711 --> 00:29:58,004
that's-- that's extraordinary.
571
00:29:58,171 --> 00:30:00,173
We aren't gonna give up now,
572
00:30:00,340 --> 00:30:02,175
not now.
573
00:30:02,342 --> 00:30:04,510
No, sir, not ever.
574
00:30:08,015 --> 00:30:11,518
Gene: I'd set up the sneak preview
with pacific theaters.
575
00:30:11,685 --> 00:30:14,312
It was almost a riot
in the theater.
576
00:30:14,479 --> 00:30:17,148
People were screaming,
"communist!"
577
00:30:17,316 --> 00:30:18,775
And one of the ushers
578
00:30:18,942 --> 00:30:20,777
or one of the people
who worked at the theater
579
00:30:20,944 --> 00:30:22,820
came up to me,
pinned me against the wall,
580
00:30:22,988 --> 00:30:26,616
said, "you're a communist.
You don't belong in this country."
581
00:30:26,783 --> 00:30:30,953
The picture was
a wonderful commercial
582
00:30:31,121 --> 00:30:32,914
failure.
583
00:30:33,081 --> 00:30:36,626
I started to say
"a wonderful critical success,"
584
00:30:36,793 --> 00:30:38,127
but I got confused.
585
00:30:38,295 --> 00:30:42,795
But I'll leave the confusion there
because it's all wound up in my mind.
586
00:30:42,966 --> 00:30:46,844
It sort of gets me in the stomach
when I talk about it.
587
00:30:47,012 --> 00:30:49,681
Gene:
This is the only film
588
00:30:49,848 --> 00:30:51,975
that I don't think
we ever made money on.
589
00:30:52,142 --> 00:30:55,353
And yet it was our best film.
We were ahead of the time.
590
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,649
It made me rethink
my method of making pictures.
591
00:30:59,816 --> 00:31:02,360
And I felt the public
592
00:31:02,527 --> 00:31:06,614
really is the ultimate arbiter
593
00:31:06,782 --> 00:31:08,909
of your film.
594
00:31:09,076 --> 00:31:12,037
If there's something
you really want to do--
595
00:31:12,204 --> 00:31:14,331
in Roger's case
it's making movies--
596
00:31:14,498 --> 00:31:16,041
then you keep on doing it.
597
00:31:16,208 --> 00:31:18,877
Every time you fail,
you just keep on.
598
00:31:19,044 --> 00:31:21,087
Corman: I thought,
"i should go back
599
00:31:21,254 --> 00:31:23,339
to a more commercial
type of film."
600
00:31:23,507 --> 00:31:26,885
I was starting to learn
method acting technique.
601
00:31:27,052 --> 00:31:30,055
There was what was known
as the text and the subtext.
602
00:31:30,222 --> 00:31:32,390
The text is the written script,
603
00:31:32,557 --> 00:31:34,267
what you were saying.
604
00:31:34,434 --> 00:31:36,769
The subtext
is what you mean,
605
00:31:36,937 --> 00:31:38,813
what you really feel,
606
00:31:38,980 --> 00:31:41,399
that causes you
to say these words.
607
00:31:41,566 --> 00:31:43,401
And I felt
608
00:31:43,568 --> 00:31:47,613
I should make
my subject matter the text,
609
00:31:47,781 --> 00:31:50,283
which will be
a commercial text,
610
00:31:50,450 --> 00:31:52,702
but my theme,
611
00:31:52,869 --> 00:31:54,954
my message,
what is important to me,
612
00:31:55,122 --> 00:31:57,082
should be the subtext,
613
00:31:57,249 --> 00:31:59,834
so the audience will get
what they paid their money to see.
614
00:32:00,001 --> 00:32:04,255
I think he consciously
was looking
615
00:32:04,423 --> 00:32:08,802
to contemporary events, news,
616
00:32:08,969 --> 00:32:11,805
for inspiration for material
to make a movie.
617
00:32:11,972 --> 00:32:14,349
Corman: Aip said, "all right,
what do you want to make?"
618
00:32:14,516 --> 00:32:17,101
I said, "there's a phenomenon
in the country right now--
619
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:20,230
the hells angels,
the outlaw motorcycle gangs.
620
00:32:20,397 --> 00:32:23,400
I want to make a picture
about the hells angels."
621
00:32:23,567 --> 00:32:26,111
And they agreed instantly.
622
00:32:27,487 --> 00:32:31,032
Peter bogdanovich:
Roger offered me $125 a week
623
00:32:31,199 --> 00:32:35,244
to work as his assistant
on the picture.
624
00:32:35,412 --> 00:32:39,582
And he said I could take
Polly with me.
625
00:32:39,749 --> 00:32:43,377
His reputation was,
you know, complicated,
626
00:32:43,545 --> 00:32:45,797
because I kept hearing
that he was a millionaire.
627
00:32:45,964 --> 00:32:48,091
And I thought he was
pretty eccentric, you know,
628
00:32:48,258 --> 00:32:49,884
'cause he didn't live
like a millionaire.
629
00:32:50,051 --> 00:32:53,137
But I had little interest
in his movies, to be honest,
630
00:32:53,305 --> 00:32:55,849
because I was a big snob
and I only liked Fritz lang
631
00:32:56,016 --> 00:32:57,642
and Howard hawks
and John Ford.
632
00:32:57,809 --> 00:33:00,102
The star of the picture
was George chakiris
633
00:33:00,270 --> 00:33:02,272
who'd won an Oscar
for "westside story."
634
00:33:05,025 --> 00:33:06,860
The phone rang
in my house here
635
00:33:07,027 --> 00:33:10,238
in Los Angeles, in Beverly hills,
and it was Roger.
636
00:33:10,405 --> 00:33:11,781
He said,
"we have a problem."
637
00:33:11,948 --> 00:33:14,951
I said, "George can't ride."
He said, "how do you know?"
638
00:33:15,118 --> 00:33:17,745
I said, "because I know George.
He can dance, but he can't ride.
639
00:33:17,913 --> 00:33:20,081
You need a biker."
"Do you ride?"
640
00:33:20,248 --> 00:33:23,167
I said, "oh, yeah, Roger, I ride.
641
00:33:23,335 --> 00:33:24,919
I'll do it."
642
00:33:25,086 --> 00:33:26,504
I said, "who's gonna
play my part?"
643
00:33:26,671 --> 00:33:28,547
He said, "Bruce dern."
I said, "great. I know dernsy."
644
00:33:28,715 --> 00:33:30,842
Bruce dern:
We just had, like, eight actors,
645
00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:33,636
and the rest were all extras.
646
00:33:33,803 --> 00:33:36,847
But the extras made the movie,
because they had the machines
647
00:33:37,015 --> 00:33:38,683
and they were
what the movie was about.
648
00:33:38,850 --> 00:33:40,685
And they were real
hells angels guys.
649
00:33:40,852 --> 00:33:42,854
They were terrible.
They were frightening.
650
00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:44,856
Dern:
We all rode our bikes
651
00:33:45,023 --> 00:33:47,108
down the 2, in the desert.
652
00:33:47,275 --> 00:33:49,151
And he filmed it along the way.
653
00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:52,030
But he didn't get a police escort
or anything like that.
654
00:33:52,197 --> 00:33:54,991
He got no permits.
We just did it.
655
00:33:55,158 --> 00:33:58,244
It was the beginning
of what you know now
656
00:33:58,411 --> 00:34:01,038
as real guerilla filmmaking.
657
00:34:01,206 --> 00:34:04,834
You know, Roger's a guy
who's not gonna miss an opportunity
658
00:34:05,001 --> 00:34:07,878
to take advantage
of every single thing he can shoot.
659
00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:10,256
At one point, there was supposed
to be a kind of a fight
660
00:34:10,423 --> 00:34:14,135
between the hells angels
and the townies.
661
00:34:14,302 --> 00:34:16,178
We didn't have enough townies,
so Roger turns to me
662
00:34:16,346 --> 00:34:19,182
and he says,
"you run in there, be a townie."
663
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:22,894
So I run in,
and within seconds,
664
00:34:23,061 --> 00:34:26,105
the angels were beating
the shit out of me.
665
00:34:29,693 --> 00:34:31,611
All I did was go right down
to the ground
666
00:34:31,778 --> 00:34:34,238
and just prayed for "cut!"
667
00:34:34,406 --> 00:34:37,909
Dem: When work was over,
you never saw Roger.
668
00:34:38,076 --> 00:34:41,829
He didn't go to dinner.
He didn't-- you didn't know what he did.
669
00:34:41,997 --> 00:34:45,000
As close as we were to him
on that picture,
670
00:34:45,166 --> 00:34:47,251
and we were literally
his only friends--
671
00:34:47,419 --> 00:34:49,295
I mean, not that nobody
liked him,
672
00:34:49,462 --> 00:34:53,632
but he was just-- didn't reach out
toward friendship.
673
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,594
And he remained mysterious.
674
00:34:56,761 --> 00:34:58,637
But tell me,
675
00:34:58,805 --> 00:35:01,265
just what is it
that you want to do?
676
00:35:03,810 --> 00:35:05,686
Well, we want to be free.
677
00:35:05,854 --> 00:35:08,439
We want to be free
to do what we want to do.
678
00:35:08,607 --> 00:35:10,942
We want to be free to ride.
679
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:12,735
We want to be free
to ride our machines
680
00:35:12,902 --> 00:35:14,778
without being hassled
by the man.
681
00:35:14,946 --> 00:35:17,615
And we want to get loaded.
682
00:35:17,782 --> 00:35:19,617
- Crowd: Yeah!
- Man: I second the motion.
683
00:35:19,784 --> 00:35:21,786
Dern:
I remember asking him,
684
00:35:21,953 --> 00:35:25,331
oh, about the third or fourth day
of the "wild angels"--
685
00:35:25,498 --> 00:35:28,834
I said, "how many of these things
have you done?"
686
00:35:29,002 --> 00:35:31,462
He said, "this is my 100th."
687
00:35:34,507 --> 00:35:36,634
This is 42 years ago,
688
00:35:36,801 --> 00:35:40,262
and this was his 100th movie
he directed.
689
00:35:40,430 --> 00:35:42,849
Oh, my god.
690
00:35:43,016 --> 00:35:46,185
The film was really
an incredible success.
691
00:35:46,353 --> 00:35:49,022
It was the biggest-grossing
independent film
692
00:35:49,189 --> 00:35:51,024
ever made at that time.
693
00:35:51,191 --> 00:35:53,318
Bogdanovich: "The wild angels"
was a tremendous success.
694
00:35:53,485 --> 00:35:55,195
It was a huge hit.
695
00:35:55,362 --> 00:35:58,156
It galvanized the whole
underground culture.
696
00:35:58,323 --> 00:36:00,742
Dern: And that changed
his persona
697
00:36:00,909 --> 00:36:04,996
and changed the perception
of Peter Fonda.
698
00:36:05,163 --> 00:36:06,956
I thought,
"this is wonderful.
699
00:36:07,123 --> 00:36:10,000
This is saving me from becoming
the next Dean Jones for Disney,"
700
00:36:10,168 --> 00:36:13,004
which is what my agents thought--
that I should be that.
701
00:36:13,171 --> 00:36:15,631
Roger felt that
i had helped him
702
00:36:15,799 --> 00:36:17,842
and contributed
something to it.
703
00:36:18,009 --> 00:36:19,719
And he called me
and he said,
704
00:36:19,886 --> 00:36:21,721
"would you like to direct
your own picture?"
705
00:36:21,888 --> 00:36:24,557
And I said, "yes."
He said, "all right.
706
00:36:24,724 --> 00:36:26,851
We have a Russian
science fiction picture.
707
00:36:27,018 --> 00:36:29,186
And aip will buy it,
but they won't buy it
708
00:36:29,354 --> 00:36:31,147
unless I put some women in it.
709
00:36:31,314 --> 00:36:35,318
There's no women in it.
It's all men walking around Venus."
710
00:36:35,485 --> 00:36:37,528
"But what am I supposed
to do, Roger?"
711
00:36:37,696 --> 00:36:40,532
He said, "look at the picture and
just decide where to put the women."
712
00:36:40,699 --> 00:36:42,867
"Okay, sure."
713
00:36:43,034 --> 00:36:45,870
"We've got mamie Van doren
and she'll be one of the women.
714
00:36:46,037 --> 00:36:48,247
Get a couple of other women
and just put them in the picture.
715
00:36:48,415 --> 00:36:50,291
And no sound.
Don't write any dialogue.
716
00:36:50,458 --> 00:36:52,042
I don't want to pay
for sound."
717
00:36:52,210 --> 00:36:55,046
And I had to explain to mamie
that there would be no dialogue.
718
00:36:55,213 --> 00:36:56,631
She said,
"then what do we do?"
719
00:36:56,798 --> 00:36:59,425
I said, "you look meaningfully
at one of the other girls.
720
00:36:59,592 --> 00:37:01,760
And then the other girl
will immediately react.
721
00:37:01,928 --> 00:37:03,721
So you look at her
and the other girl goes...
722
00:37:03,888 --> 00:37:05,890
And goes."
723
00:37:06,057 --> 00:37:08,976
"Telepathy, mamie--
it's telepathy."
724
00:37:11,438 --> 00:37:13,731
We cut this thing together,
725
00:37:13,898 --> 00:37:15,566
screened it for Jim Nicholson
and he said,
726
00:37:15,734 --> 00:37:17,777
"what the fuck is this about?
727
00:37:19,070 --> 00:37:21,572
What are they doing?
They keep looking and then the other--"
728
00:37:21,740 --> 00:37:23,324
"lt's telepathy, Jim."
729
00:37:23,491 --> 00:37:25,784
"Lt's bullshit."
He says, "i don't know what--"
730
00:37:25,952 --> 00:37:27,745
Roger says,
"you have to put voices in."
731
00:37:27,912 --> 00:37:30,789
Meriama, wearie...
732
00:37:30,957 --> 00:37:34,293
Bogdanovich:
"Go get the shells." "Yes."
733
00:37:34,461 --> 00:37:37,672
Ptera is a false god.
734
00:37:39,424 --> 00:37:41,926
Roger is the kind of person
who says--
735
00:37:42,093 --> 00:37:43,594
"do you know how to swim?"
"No-ii
736
00:37:43,762 --> 00:37:46,264
and throws you in the water.
And if you learn to swim
737
00:37:46,431 --> 00:37:49,267
because you don't want
to drown, you're fine.
738
00:37:49,434 --> 00:37:51,769
And if you drown,
that's the end of that.
739
00:37:54,397 --> 00:37:56,273
Doel:
I think he was alert
740
00:37:56,441 --> 00:38:00,153
that this was a time when things
were beginning to change.
741
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,947
Certainly there weren't
movies being made
742
00:38:03,114 --> 00:38:06,075
reflecting the changes
in the thinking of young people.
743
00:38:06,242 --> 00:38:08,410
And I think that Roger
was alert to that.
744
00:38:08,578 --> 00:38:12,915
What was going on
really was revolutionary.
745
00:38:15,251 --> 00:38:18,087
I smoked pot at work.
746
00:38:18,254 --> 00:38:21,799
- Doel: Sex, drugs, rock 'n' roll.
- It was blowing up.
747
00:38:21,966 --> 00:38:23,634
Doel: Vietnam.
748
00:38:25,512 --> 00:38:28,473
Platt: I thought it was
the end of America.
749
00:38:31,810 --> 00:38:35,146
Dern: I looked at this guy
in a cardigan sweater
750
00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:38,316
talking about mayhem
in the streets.
751
00:38:40,568 --> 00:38:43,153
I was probably
the straightest guy
752
00:38:43,321 --> 00:38:45,156
in a fairly wild movement.
753
00:38:45,323 --> 00:38:49,118
Doel: His political views
were becoming increasingly left,
754
00:38:49,285 --> 00:38:51,829
as he said at the time,
"almost communist,"
755
00:38:51,996 --> 00:38:53,372
which always
makes me laugh,
756
00:38:53,540 --> 00:38:55,250
because of course
i don't buy that for a minute,
757
00:38:55,416 --> 00:38:58,127
but I understand what he means.
758
00:39:09,138 --> 00:39:12,015
For someone who seems
so square on the outside,
759
00:39:12,183 --> 00:39:15,352
he was actually a very interesting,
cool, hip director.
760
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,647
I may have felt
at the beginning of the '60s
761
00:39:17,814 --> 00:39:20,691
that I was an underdog,
but as we got into the '60s,
762
00:39:20,859 --> 00:39:23,194
I thought, "hey,
I'm with the new movement."
763
00:39:25,238 --> 00:39:28,282
Nicholson: By now
Roger and I are in sync.
764
00:39:28,449 --> 00:39:30,909
Hey, the man's supporting
my whole life.
765
00:39:31,077 --> 00:39:32,995
How could I not be
in sync with him?
766
00:39:33,162 --> 00:39:36,748
He asked me to write
"the wild angels,"
767
00:39:36,916 --> 00:39:39,960
'cause I was writing by then.
768
00:39:40,128 --> 00:39:42,547
I said, "Roger, you know,
we're pals in this.
769
00:39:42,714 --> 00:39:45,883
Can't you just pay me
a little more than scale?"
770
00:39:46,050 --> 00:39:48,969
If he'd just said,
"all right, scale plus $5,"
771
00:39:49,137 --> 00:39:50,596
I would have relaxed.
772
00:39:50,763 --> 00:39:53,849
No. And I didn't write it.
773
00:39:54,017 --> 00:39:58,062
To write "the trip," though,
he finally said, "all right."
774
00:40:06,529 --> 00:40:09,782
Cut. It's good here.
How was it for second camera?
775
00:40:09,949 --> 00:40:11,867
- Man: Fine here.
- Okay, print it.
776
00:40:12,035 --> 00:40:16,414
Corman: When I decided
to make "the trip" about LSD,
777
00:40:16,581 --> 00:40:20,084
I felt as a director
i cannot make a film about LSD
778
00:40:20,251 --> 00:40:22,253
without trying LSD.
779
00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:25,339
Initially the idea was that
780
00:40:25,506 --> 00:40:28,258
I would take notes
on Roger's trip.
781
00:40:28,426 --> 00:40:30,302
I think he believed
that he would be able
782
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:33,598
to coherently dictate
notes to me.
783
00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:37,560
How high are you, man?
Can you tell that?
784
00:40:37,727 --> 00:40:39,937
Listen, I think--
785
00:40:42,065 --> 00:40:43,816
I'm afraid.
786
00:40:44,943 --> 00:40:47,028
There's nothing
to be afraid of, man.
787
00:40:47,195 --> 00:40:51,115
I had had a wonderful trip,
a spectacular trip.
788
00:40:51,282 --> 00:40:54,785
I felt, to be fair, I had to have
some experiences
789
00:40:54,953 --> 00:40:57,538
of people who'd had bad trips.
790
00:40:57,705 --> 00:41:00,791
Luckily, Jack Nicholson
was a very good writer
791
00:41:00,959 --> 00:41:02,919
and he knew LSD.
792
00:41:03,086 --> 00:41:04,712
'Cause I was special talent.
793
00:41:04,879 --> 00:41:08,549
Only he and I had actually
taken LSD at the point.
794
00:41:08,716 --> 00:41:11,969
I never did it for fun--
too strong.
795
00:41:12,136 --> 00:41:14,763
I mean, a lot of my friends did,
but, baby, I mean,
796
00:41:14,931 --> 00:41:19,431
what, you want to confront
the face of god literally for fun?
797
00:41:19,769 --> 00:41:21,145
Come on.
798
00:41:21,312 --> 00:41:23,063
I'm Peter Fonda.
799
00:41:23,231 --> 00:41:25,107
We've just finished
making a movie
800
00:41:25,274 --> 00:41:28,986
dealing with the most talked-about
subject of the day-- LSD.
801
00:41:31,114 --> 00:41:32,698
I honestly believe
that it will be
802
00:41:32,865 --> 00:41:34,992
today's most talked-about
motion picture.
803
00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:37,369
Nicholson: Roger's
a serious moviemaker.
804
00:41:37,537 --> 00:41:40,498
He wanted to make
a serious film about LSD,
805
00:41:40,665 --> 00:41:43,000
which had just changed
the culture forever, really.
806
00:41:43,167 --> 00:41:45,002
That's what the movie
is about.
807
00:41:47,463 --> 00:41:49,840
Scorsese: The artistry of the films
really developed.
808
00:41:50,008 --> 00:41:52,010
By the time he did "the trip,"
he really had a sense
809
00:41:52,176 --> 00:41:54,469
of pushing the power
of the image.
810
00:41:54,637 --> 00:41:56,680
What he hit upon in that picture
was interesting,
811
00:41:56,848 --> 00:41:59,392
particularly if you see it
in the full aspect ratio
812
00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:02,520
because it just cuts through
time and space.
813
00:42:02,687 --> 00:42:05,523
It becomes really a beautiful
kind of cinematic montage
814
00:42:05,690 --> 00:42:08,025
and achieves a kind of poetry.
815
00:42:11,195 --> 00:42:15,532
Aip were really concerned
that this was a pro-drug movie
816
00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:17,827
and they would lose money
because of that.
817
00:42:17,994 --> 00:42:20,121
It's easy now.
818
00:42:20,288 --> 00:42:22,665
Wait till tomorrow.
819
00:42:22,832 --> 00:42:25,584
Yeah, well,
I'll think about that tomorrow.
820
00:42:25,752 --> 00:42:29,255
Arkoff and Nicholson
changed the ending
821
00:42:29,422 --> 00:42:32,258
on the picture
without telling Roger.
822
00:42:32,425 --> 00:42:33,884
They froze frame
823
00:42:34,052 --> 00:42:37,555
and did an optical
of broken glass on that.
824
00:42:40,433 --> 00:42:42,309
What is power?
You understand?
825
00:42:42,477 --> 00:42:44,896
He created these guys.
826
00:42:45,063 --> 00:42:46,939
This set me up,
827
00:42:47,106 --> 00:42:49,149
because in "easy rider,"
the first thing we do
828
00:42:49,317 --> 00:42:52,820
is we buy junk in Mexico,
smuggle it across the border,
829
00:42:52,987 --> 00:42:55,489
get a lot of money,
put it in the tank, off we go.
830
00:43:05,083 --> 00:43:08,419
Corman: "Easy rider"
came out of my films
831
00:43:08,586 --> 00:43:10,421
"the wild angels"
and "the trip."
832
00:43:10,588 --> 00:43:13,173
Peter Fonda starred
in both pictures
833
00:43:13,341 --> 00:43:16,177
and Dennis hopper
costarred in "the trip."
834
00:43:16,344 --> 00:43:19,138
That whole thing
came from Roger to me--
835
00:43:19,305 --> 00:43:20,681
take the establishment on.
836
00:43:20,848 --> 00:43:22,724
And since they had never
made a picture,
837
00:43:22,892 --> 00:43:25,436
they wanted me to be
the executive producer.
838
00:43:25,603 --> 00:43:28,564
And I said, "fine."
And I took the idea to aip
839
00:43:28,731 --> 00:43:30,274
because "the wild angels"
and "the trip"
840
00:43:30,441 --> 00:43:31,775
had been very successful.
841
00:43:31,943 --> 00:43:35,738
And in one
unfortunate meeting,
842
00:43:35,905 --> 00:43:39,783
one of the executives at aip
said to Dennis,
843
00:43:39,951 --> 00:43:43,829
"lf you fall more than one day
behind schedule,
844
00:43:43,996 --> 00:43:46,289
we want the right
to replace you."
845
00:43:46,457 --> 00:43:50,169
I could see that Dennis and Peter
were really mad.
846
00:43:50,336 --> 00:43:52,338
Fonda: And I said, "i can't
put that pressure on hoppy.
847
00:43:52,505 --> 00:43:55,007
That's not fair."
And Roger agreed.
848
00:43:55,174 --> 00:43:56,842
Corman: And I said
to this executive,
849
00:43:57,009 --> 00:44:00,887
"he worked perfectly with me
on 'the trip'
850
00:44:01,055 --> 00:44:03,974
and I am positive
he can do this."
851
00:44:04,142 --> 00:44:08,642
And that was not
a good thing to say.
852
00:44:10,481 --> 00:44:12,274
A number of things happened
853
00:44:12,441 --> 00:44:14,734
and the picture moved over
to Columbia.
854
00:44:14,902 --> 00:44:17,237
And aip and I
855
00:44:17,405 --> 00:44:19,990
lost our percentage
of the profits
856
00:44:20,158 --> 00:44:24,658
on one of the most successful
independent pictures ever made.
857
00:44:27,206 --> 00:44:29,958
Oh.
858
00:44:30,126 --> 00:44:33,295
Oh, what am I gonna do now?
859
00:44:33,462 --> 00:44:36,506
Nicholson: When I went to cannes
with "easy rider"...
860
00:44:36,674 --> 00:44:37,716
Oh, my head.
861
00:44:37,884 --> 00:44:40,094
...my character
came on the screen
862
00:44:40,261 --> 00:44:43,555
and the movie exploded
in that audience.
863
00:44:43,723 --> 00:44:46,851
It just went ka-pow
like it does in rock 'n' roll.
864
00:44:47,018 --> 00:44:50,938
I'm the only person
who ever in real life felt,
865
00:44:51,105 --> 00:44:53,440
"holy shit,
866
00:44:53,608 --> 00:44:55,484
I'm a movie star"--
867
00:44:55,651 --> 00:44:57,527
do you know what I mean?
--And knew.
868
00:44:57,695 --> 00:44:59,321
So that's what the change
felt like.
869
00:44:59,488 --> 00:45:01,490
I experienced it right here.
870
00:45:06,495 --> 00:45:09,539
Roger, if you paid me
over minimum,
871
00:45:09,707 --> 00:45:11,709
you would have had
"easy rider."
872
00:45:15,922 --> 00:45:19,550
Bogdanovich: "Easy rider" was
the beginning of the new Hollywood.
873
00:45:19,717 --> 00:45:23,762
It's hard to imagine
the new Hollywood
874
00:45:23,930 --> 00:45:25,890
without Roger corman.
875
00:45:26,057 --> 00:45:28,059
So many people started
with Roger--
876
00:45:28,226 --> 00:45:30,561
Francis coppola
and Bobby de niro
877
00:45:30,728 --> 00:45:33,897
and Jack Nicholson.
And the list goes on and on.
878
00:45:34,065 --> 00:45:36,734
At the end of the '60s
Hollywood was so desperate.
879
00:45:36,901 --> 00:45:38,569
They didn't know
what to do.
880
00:45:38,736 --> 00:45:40,612
And the young
Roger corman alumni
881
00:45:40,780 --> 00:45:43,240
were there to step
into the breach.
882
00:45:43,407 --> 00:45:46,243
Dern:
Jack's career took off.
883
00:45:46,410 --> 00:45:48,245
And Peter and Dennis
got deals
884
00:45:48,412 --> 00:45:50,455
at universal
to make their movies.
885
00:45:50,623 --> 00:45:54,960
Well, those are all offshoots
of the university of corman.
886
00:45:55,127 --> 00:45:57,087
Roger was in a perfect position,
887
00:45:57,255 --> 00:46:01,092
having discovered and cultivated
Francis coppola, bogdanovich,
888
00:46:01,259 --> 00:46:03,302
so many other people like that.
889
00:46:03,469 --> 00:46:05,137
I always wondered
why Roger couldn't take
890
00:46:05,304 --> 00:46:07,264
that next step
with those guys.
891
00:46:07,431 --> 00:46:10,434
You had to take that leap. You had to
go from high school to college
892
00:46:10,601 --> 00:46:12,311
or you had to go from college
to grad school.
893
00:46:12,478 --> 00:46:14,980
It was a jump
that Roger never really took.
894
00:46:15,147 --> 00:46:16,982
And that's the one place
895
00:46:17,149 --> 00:46:19,276
that Roger left out of his mix.
896
00:46:19,443 --> 00:46:22,779
And that's why
he's constantly being insulted
897
00:46:22,947 --> 00:46:26,241
by people calling him
the king of the bs, right?
898
00:46:33,916 --> 00:46:35,792
Dante: Roger was never
taken seriously.
899
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,838
He was a schlockmeister
and a guy who did drive-in movies.
900
00:46:40,006 --> 00:46:41,841
He never really got his due,
i don't think.
901
00:46:42,008 --> 00:46:44,635
I mean, even "the lntruder,"
which is one of his best pictures,
902
00:46:44,802 --> 00:46:47,638
it was a movie that was hardly ever
seen anywhere when it came out.
903
00:46:47,805 --> 00:46:50,849
Dern: Every year
at the academy awards,
904
00:46:51,017 --> 00:46:54,270
they give out
a lifetime achievement award.
905
00:46:54,437 --> 00:46:57,523
How they can not have gotten
to Roger corman by now
906
00:46:57,690 --> 00:46:59,566
is disgusting.
907
00:46:59,734 --> 00:47:02,111
And I don't know that they ever will,
because they'd say,
908
00:47:02,278 --> 00:47:04,154
"well, what are the great movies
he made?"
909
00:47:04,322 --> 00:47:05,990
I guess this proves there are
910
00:47:06,157 --> 00:47:08,159
as many nuts in the academy
as anywhere else.
911
00:47:08,326 --> 00:47:10,786
Nicholson: Ls Roger worried about
being underappreciated?
912
00:47:10,953 --> 00:47:14,039
If he is, I'm going over there
tomorrow night.
913
00:47:20,087 --> 00:47:22,464
Shark! Shark!
914
00:47:28,095 --> 00:47:29,554
Help!
915
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:33,601
Cut, cut, cut.
916
00:47:34,727 --> 00:47:37,229
Eli roth: Roger corman isn't
doing it for the awards.
917
00:47:37,396 --> 00:47:40,732
The fans recognize him.
The filmmakers recognize him.
918
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:42,943
We know who he is
and we appreciate him.
919
00:47:43,110 --> 00:47:44,986
And I don't think he needs
some statue
920
00:47:45,154 --> 00:47:47,781
from some organization that never
liked his movies in the first place
921
00:47:47,948 --> 00:47:49,407
to come out and say,
"we love you."
922
00:47:51,827 --> 00:47:55,288
Julie: From my viewpoint,
everything is going extremely well.
923
00:47:55,456 --> 00:47:57,833
Observing Roger, however, now
924
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,419
as actor/producer...
925
00:48:00,586 --> 00:48:04,047
Kevin, you're aware they're putting
a mic on the girl who's not in the shot?
926
00:48:04,215 --> 00:48:06,342
Maybe the kit should be
just a couple of inches there
927
00:48:06,509 --> 00:48:07,927
so you don't step over it.
928
00:48:08,094 --> 00:48:10,638
No, wait until
she comes here. Stop.
929
00:48:10,805 --> 00:48:14,099
It'll be after they say "action!"
Because the camera's on her
930
00:48:14,266 --> 00:48:17,102
and it's going to come around
and see...
931
00:48:18,854 --> 00:48:20,856
Okay, and we're out of the shot.
932
00:48:22,608 --> 00:48:25,402
He is always noticing
what needs to be fixed,
933
00:48:25,569 --> 00:48:28,363
what is the problem,
but that's the nature of producing.
934
00:48:28,531 --> 00:48:30,407
Okay, so I'm looking here.
935
00:48:30,574 --> 00:48:34,327
And on action, you say,
"there's someone here to see you."
936
00:48:34,495 --> 00:48:35,537
Man:
Rolling sound.
937
00:48:35,704 --> 00:48:38,248
Paul w.S. Anderson: You would think
that a man who makes so many films
938
00:48:38,416 --> 00:48:40,459
kind of doesn't really care
about each individual film,
939
00:48:40,626 --> 00:48:42,628
but I think Roger
for each of his movies--
940
00:48:42,795 --> 00:48:44,129
they're like his children,
you know.
941
00:48:44,296 --> 00:48:45,880
And he loves
every single one of them.
942
00:48:46,048 --> 00:48:47,966
And he's so engaged
in every single one of them.
943
00:48:48,134 --> 00:48:51,262
And, you know, the last time
i had lunch with him,
944
00:48:51,429 --> 00:48:53,806
you know, he had to hurry away
'cause he was going back
945
00:48:53,973 --> 00:48:55,641
to the cutting room
of "minotaur."
946
00:48:55,808 --> 00:48:58,227
And it's like,
"you know, Roger..."
947
00:48:58,394 --> 00:49:00,270
They're really--
948
00:49:00,438 --> 00:49:03,149
it's just way too much time
spent on iva.
949
00:49:03,315 --> 00:49:05,984
They're working on her makeup
all the time.
950
00:49:06,152 --> 00:49:07,945
Explain who she
should put it on.
951
00:49:08,112 --> 00:49:10,823
They can't do this stuff
for every shot.
952
00:49:10,990 --> 00:49:13,659
Mary woronov: I'll never forget Julie.
She was, like, amazing.
953
00:49:13,826 --> 00:49:15,619
She was talking about
redecorating her house.
954
00:49:15,786 --> 00:49:18,163
And then she had a child in a crib.
955
00:49:18,330 --> 00:49:19,873
She was raising children,
you know.
956
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,833
And here she was--
she was known
957
00:49:22,001 --> 00:49:24,253
to do movies even cheaper
than Roger corman.
958
00:49:24,420 --> 00:49:26,588
I mean, this woman
was amazing.
959
00:49:26,755 --> 00:49:29,382
The first film that I produced,
i didn't think of it as producing.
960
00:49:29,550 --> 00:49:30,717
I didn't put a name to it.
961
00:49:30,885 --> 00:49:32,970
I just thought,
"oh, this needs to be organized."
962
00:49:33,137 --> 00:49:36,390
Roger did sit with me
for about 45 minutes
963
00:49:36,557 --> 00:49:38,892
and go through what's needed--
the cast,
964
00:49:39,059 --> 00:49:41,019
the crew,
and what the positions were
965
00:49:41,187 --> 00:49:44,440
and a way in which
to Shepherd production through.
966
00:49:44,607 --> 00:49:47,901
But then I thought, "well, he'll be
there every day and I could--"
967
00:49:48,068 --> 00:49:50,487
no, he wasn't
really available.
968
00:49:50,654 --> 00:49:54,449
And there was
this sense I had of,
969
00:49:54,617 --> 00:49:56,785
"he just thinks
i can do this?"
970
00:49:56,952 --> 00:49:59,245
And then I just did it.
971
00:49:59,413 --> 00:50:02,999
But he will recognize
in someone
972
00:50:03,167 --> 00:50:05,502
that he thinks they can do
whatever it is.
973
00:50:05,669 --> 00:50:08,129
And then he just walks away
974
00:50:08,297 --> 00:50:10,882
and they do it.
975
00:50:11,050 --> 00:50:14,053
Corman: I first met Julie
when she answered an ad
976
00:50:14,220 --> 00:50:17,097
for a job as my assistant.
977
00:50:17,264 --> 00:50:20,308
I offered her the job.
She turned down the job,
978
00:50:20,476 --> 00:50:23,061
but she agreed
to have dinner with me.
979
00:50:23,229 --> 00:50:26,690
We began dating and we also
began working together.
980
00:50:26,857 --> 00:50:30,151
Roger had by then
asked me to marry him
981
00:50:30,319 --> 00:50:32,779
and I had said yes. And then he
went off to the Philippines
982
00:50:32,947 --> 00:50:34,865
and I didn't hear
from him for a week.
983
00:50:35,032 --> 00:50:38,577
So I was like,
"i wonder what that means."
984
00:50:38,744 --> 00:50:41,830
So I called him and said,
"are we still getting married?"
985
00:50:41,997 --> 00:50:43,748
He said, "oh, yes.
Did you pick a date?"
986
00:50:43,916 --> 00:50:48,170
And I said,
"well, I was thinking of December
987
00:50:48,337 --> 00:50:49,921
or maybe later
in the spring."
988
00:50:50,089 --> 00:50:52,382
"Oh, definitely December.
Sooner-- better, right?"
989
00:50:52,550 --> 00:50:54,760
I said, "okay.
990
00:50:54,927 --> 00:50:56,762
L just wonder
why you didn't call me."
991
00:50:56,929 --> 00:50:59,097
Well, he didn't call me because
it was a long-distance call,
992
00:50:59,265 --> 00:51:01,100
so it wouldn't have
occurred to him.
993
00:51:01,267 --> 00:51:03,769
But anyway, you know,
getting to know each other.
994
00:51:03,936 --> 00:51:07,189
All right now, everybody, reach
for the nightgown of the lord.
995
00:51:07,356 --> 00:51:09,232
Reach.
996
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,276
Anybody moves-- you're dead.
997
00:51:11,443 --> 00:51:13,361
Julie: Roger had done
"bloody mama"
998
00:51:13,529 --> 00:51:15,280
with shelley winters
and Bobby de niro.
999
00:51:15,447 --> 00:51:17,782
And, you know, it was
a great success for aip.
1000
00:51:17,950 --> 00:51:20,953
And aip wanted another
woman gangster movie.
1001
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,580
And so I found this book.
1002
00:51:23,747 --> 00:51:25,123
It was the story of a woman
1003
00:51:25,291 --> 00:51:27,626
who'd been something
of a tramp, a hobo,
1004
00:51:27,793 --> 00:51:30,253
had ridden the boxcars
of the railroads
1005
00:51:30,421 --> 00:51:32,381
of the United States
during the depression.
1006
00:51:32,548 --> 00:51:35,551
It was her story as a rebel,
1007
00:51:35,718 --> 00:51:38,303
as a pre-feminist, as it were,
1008
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:40,305
and as an outlaw.
1009
00:51:40,472 --> 00:51:42,974
"Boxcar Bertha"
the first picture
1010
00:51:43,142 --> 00:51:46,478
that Julie worked on with me
as co-producer.
1011
00:51:46,645 --> 00:51:49,981
It was also the first picture
that Marty scorsese directed.
1012
00:51:50,149 --> 00:51:53,193
I met him and he said, "look, I have
a sequel to 'bloody mama.'
1013
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,738
it's called 'boxcar Bertha.'
Would you be interested in doing it?"
1014
00:51:56,905 --> 00:51:58,531
I said, "absolutely,"
you know.
1015
00:51:58,699 --> 00:52:01,785
And "bloody mama"
actually had de niro in it, see?
1016
00:52:01,952 --> 00:52:03,828
By the time we got
to Camden, Arkansas,
1017
00:52:03,996 --> 00:52:07,916
Marty had sketched
every shot of the picture,
1018
00:52:08,083 --> 00:52:11,586
which was all over the walls
of his motel room.
1019
00:52:11,754 --> 00:52:13,839
I took out all these drawings,
about 500.
1020
00:52:14,006 --> 00:52:16,675
And he looked at the first
20 or 30 or something.
1021
00:52:16,842 --> 00:52:19,511
And then he looked, he said, "did you
do this for the entire picture?"
1022
00:52:19,678 --> 00:52:21,471
I said, "yeah."
He said, "all right."
1023
00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:23,515
He put it away
and he left.
1024
00:52:23,682 --> 00:52:25,433
Run, Bertha!
1025
00:52:27,561 --> 00:52:29,563
God damn that bitch.
1026
00:52:32,232 --> 00:52:34,317
Carradine:
The thing that Roger hated was
1027
00:52:34,485 --> 00:52:36,361
when Sam arkoff came in--
1028
00:52:36,528 --> 00:52:39,197
'cause he needed Sam because
the budget was too big for him.
1029
00:52:39,365 --> 00:52:41,784
And then Sam
kind of took over
1030
00:52:41,950 --> 00:52:44,077
and masterminded the release
1031
00:52:44,244 --> 00:52:46,371
in a way that Roger
didn't like.
1032
00:52:46,538 --> 00:52:48,790
And Roger said,
"I'm never gonna do this again."
1033
00:52:48,957 --> 00:52:51,376
And that's when he formed
new world
1034
00:52:51,543 --> 00:52:54,837
and he went back to making
$25,000 movies
1035
00:52:55,005 --> 00:52:56,881
and worked his way
back up again
1036
00:52:57,049 --> 00:53:00,969
just simply so that nobody
could tell him, you know,
1037
00:53:01,136 --> 00:53:05,056
how he should cut his movie
or how he should release it.
1038
00:53:05,224 --> 00:53:07,059
Doel:
Roger somehow
1039
00:53:07,226 --> 00:53:09,478
is fueled by
1040
00:53:09,645 --> 00:53:11,396
outwitting, I would say,
1041
00:53:11,563 --> 00:53:13,856
even more than
rebelling against, authority.
1042
00:53:14,024 --> 00:53:15,567
He was that way with aip.
1043
00:53:15,734 --> 00:53:19,320
I think, actually, it brings out
his creativity and his drive.
1044
00:53:19,488 --> 00:53:21,364
It just seems
to fire him up
1045
00:53:21,532 --> 00:53:23,951
to just show them
1046
00:53:24,118 --> 00:53:26,787
that he will do it himself.
1047
00:53:26,954 --> 00:53:29,915
He doesn't need them to tell him
how to do it or what to do.
1048
00:53:30,082 --> 00:53:34,002
I decided to start a small
production/distribution company,
1049
00:53:34,169 --> 00:53:38,423
a little bit the way aip
had started in the late 1950s.
1050
00:53:38,590 --> 00:53:40,341
Roger is a brilliant producer
1051
00:53:40,509 --> 00:53:42,135
in terms of knowing
what the market is,
1052
00:53:42,302 --> 00:53:45,221
anticipating the trends
and then capitalizing on them.
1053
00:53:45,389 --> 00:53:47,307
He was a trendsetter for years.
I mean, he--
1054
00:53:47,474 --> 00:53:49,392
in the '60s
he set every trend.
1055
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,105
He has the idea--
1056
00:53:53,272 --> 00:53:55,274
the original idea
for almost all the films
1057
00:53:55,441 --> 00:53:57,943
that are produced
by new world pictures.
1058
00:53:58,110 --> 00:54:00,529
He had a somewhat
finite audience.
1059
00:54:00,696 --> 00:54:03,073
They weren't expecting things
to be held over.
1060
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:06,117
You know, things played for
two weeks in the grindhouses
1061
00:54:06,285 --> 00:54:08,203
and a couple weeks
at the drive-in
1062
00:54:08,370 --> 00:54:10,080
and then a new thing came in.
1063
00:54:10,247 --> 00:54:11,831
But within that,
you were gonna have
1064
00:54:11,999 --> 00:54:14,001
a very loyal audience
of young people.
1065
00:54:14,168 --> 00:54:16,962
Announcer: Hollywood boulevard--
the street where starlets are made.
1066
00:54:17,129 --> 00:54:19,172
On Monday
candy came to Hollywood.
1067
00:54:19,339 --> 00:54:21,090
On Tuesday she lost
her blouse.
1068
00:54:21,258 --> 00:54:23,927
On Thursday she massacred
300 rebel soldiers.
1069
00:54:24,094 --> 00:54:26,638
On Friday she found out
the bullets were real.
1070
00:54:26,805 --> 00:54:29,390
On Saturday
she married Godzilla.
1071
00:54:29,558 --> 00:54:31,810
By Sunday she was a star.
1072
00:54:31,977 --> 00:54:34,813
Things happen fast
on Hollywood boulevard.
1073
00:54:34,980 --> 00:54:36,147
Rated r.
1074
00:54:36,315 --> 00:54:38,317
♪ Hello, Hollywood. ♪
1075
00:54:40,152 --> 00:54:42,612
The fact that the rating system came
in was a tremendous change.
1076
00:54:42,780 --> 00:54:44,156
Now you were allowed to do
things in movies
1077
00:54:44,323 --> 00:54:45,615
that you hadn't been
allowed to do before.
1078
00:54:45,783 --> 00:54:47,242
You were allowed to show things.
1079
00:54:53,499 --> 00:54:56,502
Announcer: What they did to her
in Jackson county was a crime.
1080
00:54:58,837 --> 00:55:01,005
Yvette mimieux.
1081
00:55:01,173 --> 00:55:03,675
"Jackson county jail,"
1082
00:55:03,842 --> 00:55:06,010
where the cops
make their own laws
1083
00:55:06,178 --> 00:55:07,888
and the only way out
is murder.
1084
00:55:10,224 --> 00:55:11,850
We're cop killers.
1085
00:55:12,017 --> 00:55:16,187
There are '70s exploitation pictures
that are really out there.
1086
00:55:16,355 --> 00:55:17,522
I mean, they have plot twists
1087
00:55:17,689 --> 00:55:19,273
that are like, "whoa,
i didn't see that coming.
1088
00:55:19,441 --> 00:55:21,401
I didn't think people did that
in the movies."
1089
00:55:21,568 --> 00:55:23,403
Announcer:
Woman was made for man
1090
00:55:23,570 --> 00:55:25,863
to hunt.
1091
00:55:26,031 --> 00:55:28,491
Dante: Roger certainly took
amazing advantage of that.
1092
00:55:28,659 --> 00:55:31,328
Announcer:
Hunters competing for the game.
1093
00:55:31,495 --> 00:55:34,873
Set your sights
on the tastiest game,
1094
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,375
from new world pictures.
1095
00:55:37,543 --> 00:55:39,503
Roger's operation
1096
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:43,131
is an exploitation operation
on almost every level.
1097
00:55:43,298 --> 00:55:47,218
He exploits directors.
He exploits writers.
1098
00:55:47,386 --> 00:55:51,390
He exploits people in the crafts
who are trying to get established.
1099
00:55:51,557 --> 00:55:54,560
But we are also
exploiting Roger.
1100
00:55:54,726 --> 00:55:56,561
Julie:
I think he had a lot of fun
1101
00:55:56,728 --> 00:55:58,396
working with these
young people.
1102
00:55:58,564 --> 00:56:00,607
And so it was often known
as, you know,
1103
00:56:00,774 --> 00:56:02,734
the corman school
of filmmaking.
1104
00:56:05,112 --> 00:56:07,072
Demme:
The first time I met Roger,
1105
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,574
this crazy
Roger German-y thing happened
1106
00:56:09,741 --> 00:56:12,201
where he said, "okay,
you can write press releases.
1107
00:56:12,369 --> 00:56:14,537
Do you think you could write
a screenplay?"
1108
00:56:14,705 --> 00:56:17,165
And this had never
really occurred to me,
1109
00:56:17,332 --> 00:56:19,751
but I said, "yes."
1110
00:56:19,918 --> 00:56:21,836
And he said,
"let me explain.
1111
00:56:22,004 --> 00:56:23,880
I'm starting a new company.
1112
00:56:24,047 --> 00:56:25,923
It's called
new world pictures.
1113
00:56:26,091 --> 00:56:29,344
I need a bunch of pictures
to go into the works very soon."
1114
00:56:29,511 --> 00:56:31,137
He wanted a nurse movie,
1115
00:56:31,305 --> 00:56:34,433
but he also wanted to crossbreed it
with a prison movie.
1116
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,893
Announcer:
Four American nurses, snatched
1117
00:56:37,060 --> 00:56:39,687
from their work
in a foreign hospital,
1118
00:56:39,855 --> 00:56:41,731
jumped in the jungle,
1119
00:56:41,899 --> 00:56:44,735
caught between
a kill-crazed revolutionary
1120
00:56:44,902 --> 00:56:46,778
and a sex-crazed major.
1121
00:56:46,945 --> 00:56:49,781
Roger says, "exploitation pictures
don't need plots.
1122
00:56:49,948 --> 00:56:51,908
But they need sensational things
1123
00:56:52,075 --> 00:56:54,285
like girls shooting
filipinos out of trees.
1124
00:56:56,622 --> 00:56:58,457
That works."
1125
00:57:01,460 --> 00:57:03,295
In new world--
they very often go back
1126
00:57:03,462 --> 00:57:05,422
and add action to a picture.
1127
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:07,549
'Cause you'll see
how a rough cut plays,
1128
00:57:07,716 --> 00:57:10,301
and Roger almost always
wants you to add
1129
00:57:10,469 --> 00:57:12,721
another chase
or at least another explosion.
1130
00:57:12,888 --> 00:57:15,140
♪ Rock, rock, rock, rock,
rock 'n' roll high school ♪
1131
00:57:15,307 --> 00:57:17,559
♪ rock, rock, rock, rock, rock 'n' roll
high school. ♪
1132
00:57:21,146 --> 00:57:22,939
Announcer:
"Rock 'n' roll high school"--
1133
00:57:23,106 --> 00:57:26,484
the school where the students rule.
1134
00:57:26,652 --> 00:57:29,112
Could your school be next?
1135
00:57:29,279 --> 00:57:32,156
We knew the genre notes
that we had to hit.
1136
00:57:32,324 --> 00:57:34,117
And if we hit those notes,
1137
00:57:34,284 --> 00:57:37,078
what we put in between those notes
was entirely up to us.
1138
00:57:37,245 --> 00:57:38,829
"Grand Theft Auto"
1139
00:57:38,997 --> 00:57:41,666
is a love story
1140
00:57:41,833 --> 00:57:43,918
with cars.
1141
00:57:44,086 --> 00:57:45,629
Also it's a comedy...
1142
00:57:48,131 --> 00:57:49,215
...with car crashes.
1143
00:57:49,383 --> 00:57:51,051
Announcer:
"Grand Theft Auto,"
1144
00:57:51,218 --> 00:57:54,221
directed by and starring
Ron Howard.
1145
00:57:54,388 --> 00:57:55,806
Well, hell.
1146
00:57:55,973 --> 00:57:58,517
We had a very limited number
of extras that we were allowed to have
1147
00:57:58,684 --> 00:58:02,813
at the big demolition derby
climactic action scenes.
1148
00:58:02,980 --> 00:58:05,857
And I called Roger
1149
00:58:06,024 --> 00:58:09,360
asking for more extras
to fill out the stands,
1150
00:58:09,528 --> 00:58:11,530
'cause, I said, "this is supposed
to be this huge event.
1151
00:58:11,697 --> 00:58:14,700
There's a big riot at the end.
You know, 75 extras
1152
00:58:14,866 --> 00:58:17,034
is gonna fill exactly, you know,
1153
00:58:17,202 --> 00:58:21,039
1/10 of the stands.
It's gonna look cheesy."
1154
00:58:21,206 --> 00:58:24,000
And he said no.
And he could see I was dejected.
1155
00:58:24,167 --> 00:58:25,418
And he smiled
1156
00:58:25,585 --> 00:58:27,628
and he put his hand on my shoulder
in a kind of fatherly way.
1157
00:58:27,796 --> 00:58:30,882
And he said, "Ron, here's what
you need to understand.
1158
00:58:31,049 --> 00:58:34,677
You do a good job for me
on my terms
1159
00:58:34,845 --> 00:58:36,721
on this movie,
1160
00:58:36,888 --> 00:58:39,056
and you never have
to work for me again."
1161
00:58:39,224 --> 00:58:41,434
And, well, I didn't.
1162
00:58:41,601 --> 00:58:43,477
I certainly wish
1163
00:58:43,645 --> 00:58:48,107
that Roger would move out
of the formula film--
1164
00:58:48,275 --> 00:58:49,901
the exploitation film.
1165
00:58:50,068 --> 00:58:53,404
I guess that he just feels that as long
as he's investing his own money
1166
00:58:53,572 --> 00:58:55,115
that he wants it to be surefire.
1167
00:59:00,746 --> 00:59:03,582
Carradine: In "death race"
at the very beginning behind us,
1168
00:59:03,749 --> 00:59:05,375
there's a city of the future.
1169
00:59:05,542 --> 00:59:07,835
And it is so obviously
a painting.
1170
00:59:08,003 --> 00:59:09,838
It's almost a cartoon.
1171
00:59:10,005 --> 00:59:12,257
And I said that to him
and he said,
1172
00:59:12,424 --> 00:59:15,051
"people come to my pictures
looking for camp.
1173
00:59:15,218 --> 00:59:17,428
And I'm going to give it to them."
1174
00:59:31,401 --> 00:59:33,444
Lf he just violated
this rule of his
1175
00:59:33,612 --> 00:59:35,322
of never making a movie
1176
00:59:35,489 --> 00:59:38,241
that cost more than $1 million,
you know,
1177
00:59:38,408 --> 00:59:40,326
and make one for $1.5 million
or $2 million--
1178
00:59:40,494 --> 00:59:42,454
I said, "look, all your pictures
make money.
1179
00:59:42,621 --> 00:59:44,331
None of them
go through the top."
1180
00:59:44,498 --> 00:59:45,874
And he said,
"yeah, that's true."
1181
00:59:46,041 --> 00:59:48,001
And then he went over
and turned off the air conditioner.
1182
00:59:48,168 --> 00:59:49,919
Sometimes the movies
were really dreadful
1183
00:59:50,087 --> 00:59:52,422
and you had to just sort of camp
them up and make fun of them.
1184
00:59:52,589 --> 00:59:54,257
- "Cover girl models."
- And we did-- by the time
1185
00:59:54,424 --> 00:59:57,468
we got to "cover girl models,"
we were doing outrageous ad lines--
1186
00:59:57,636 --> 00:59:59,846
you know, "they don't need
clothes to strike a pose";
1187
01:00:00,013 --> 01:00:02,390
"they're always overexposed
but they're never underdeveloped"--
1188
01:00:02,557 --> 01:00:04,350
to the point where the pictures
looked like jokes.
1189
01:00:04,518 --> 01:00:06,019
They didn't look like
they were real movies.
1190
01:00:06,186 --> 01:00:08,229
They're like movies
in the front of "tropic thunder."
1191
01:00:08,396 --> 01:00:10,064
They just didn't look real.
1192
01:00:10,232 --> 01:00:12,943
But the audiences never minded.
They were happy.
1193
01:00:15,987 --> 01:00:18,823
The limitations of a low-budget film
can work positively
1194
01:00:18,990 --> 01:00:20,741
in terms of getting
something spontaneous.
1195
01:00:20,909 --> 01:00:22,785
There's no time for rehearsal.
1196
01:00:22,953 --> 01:00:26,456
There's no time for
extended discussions
1197
01:00:26,623 --> 01:00:28,666
of motivation and character
and so forth.
1198
01:00:28,834 --> 01:00:32,087
And indeed there aren't many characters
or motivations in any of the films.
1199
01:00:34,297 --> 01:00:37,341
You'll never be a star now,
you little cunt.
1200
01:00:44,349 --> 01:00:46,267
Dante: The great thing about
working for Roger was
1201
01:00:46,434 --> 01:00:47,893
that every possible obstacle
1202
01:00:48,061 --> 01:00:49,687
to making a movie
was thrown in front of you.
1203
01:00:49,855 --> 01:00:51,356
Beverly hills police.
1204
01:00:51,523 --> 01:00:53,024
And if you could figure out
a way to get around them,
1205
01:00:53,191 --> 01:00:54,358
you could make your movie.
1206
01:00:54,526 --> 01:00:56,319
At the end credits
of "Hollywood boulevard,"
1207
01:00:56,486 --> 01:00:58,362
that background shot
was shot
1208
01:00:58,530 --> 01:01:00,448
while the camera crew
was hiding in the bushes
1209
01:01:00,615 --> 01:01:02,325
and I was talking
to the Beverly hills police
1210
01:01:02,492 --> 01:01:05,536
and explaining that I was just
out here admiring the scenery.
1211
01:01:05,704 --> 01:01:09,666
And they said, "well, get back
in your car and drive down the hill."
1212
01:01:09,833 --> 01:01:12,085
It's not as bad as John Davis
and having to spend the night in jail
1213
01:01:12,252 --> 01:01:14,128
while making "fly me," though.
1214
01:01:14,296 --> 01:01:17,549
I think when he called Roger
and he said, "I'm in jail,"
1215
01:01:17,716 --> 01:01:20,427
I think Roger said, "well, you know,
that's a good experience.
1216
01:01:20,594 --> 01:01:22,095
You should learn from this."
1217
01:01:22,262 --> 01:01:24,555
Blossom, honey.
1218
01:01:25,974 --> 01:01:29,477
You philandering,
fornicating bastard,
1219
01:01:29,644 --> 01:01:32,647
you went off with that skinny honky
for two days
1220
01:01:32,814 --> 01:01:35,274
and gonna come back here
and call me honey?
1221
01:01:35,442 --> 01:01:36,860
Now wait a minute,
blossom, honey.
1222
01:01:37,027 --> 01:01:40,447
I told you I was gonna cut it off
if you tried to pull that shit on me.
1223
01:01:42,699 --> 01:01:44,409
We called it "make do."
1224
01:01:44,576 --> 01:01:47,412
You know, whatever you can do
to make do, that's what we did.
1225
01:01:47,579 --> 01:01:50,456
And from it,
i lived through my stunts.
1226
01:01:50,624 --> 01:01:53,585
I look back at it--
would I do them again?
1227
01:01:53,752 --> 01:01:57,088
Yes, but more
padding on the head.
1228
01:02:00,258 --> 01:02:03,010
Not a lot of women
wanted to do stunts.
1229
01:02:04,221 --> 01:02:06,097
All right, everybody,
back 'em up.
1230
01:02:06,264 --> 01:02:08,182
Grier: And they couldn't handle guns.
They were afraid of guns.
1231
01:02:08,350 --> 01:02:09,601
Sit down on the floor.
1232
01:02:11,102 --> 01:02:13,687
Where do you want
to be buried, nigger?
1233
01:02:15,357 --> 01:02:18,234
And it's miss nigger
to you.
1234
01:02:18,401 --> 01:02:20,945
Grier: And there weren't a lot
of women who wanted to be
1235
01:02:21,112 --> 01:02:23,739
tossed around the room
or thrown over a cliff.
1236
01:02:23,907 --> 01:02:25,783
And he said,
"let's keep her doing movies.
1237
01:02:25,951 --> 01:02:28,787
She loves to do crazy stuff.
Let's set her on fire."
1238
01:02:28,954 --> 01:02:31,748
You know, "how many cars
can she crash today?"
1239
01:02:31,915 --> 01:02:34,792
They loved that.
1240
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,630
He could talk you into, you know,
buying some sand in a desert.
1241
01:02:38,797 --> 01:02:40,799
Hey, and it'll taste good, too.
1242
01:02:40,966 --> 01:02:42,801
I'm like, "excuse me,
1243
01:02:42,968 --> 01:02:44,970
did I just buy
this glass of sand from Roger?"
1244
01:02:45,136 --> 01:02:47,513
Announcer:
"The final comedown"--
1245
01:02:47,681 --> 01:02:50,266
this year's heaviest
motion picture.
1246
01:02:50,433 --> 01:02:52,977
Baby, I'm not bitter.
I was bitter 350 years ago.
1247
01:02:53,144 --> 01:02:56,147
I'm violent, you hear me,
god damn it? Violent!
1248
01:03:03,571 --> 01:03:05,489
Announcer:
Get hip to this year's winner--
1249
01:03:05,657 --> 01:03:08,660
the fight you've been dying for.
1250
01:03:10,954 --> 01:03:13,748
Rated r, it's a mother.
1251
01:03:13,915 --> 01:03:15,166
Dig it.
1252
01:03:15,333 --> 01:03:18,544
I did bring "mean streets"
first to Roger.
1253
01:03:18,712 --> 01:03:21,339
And it was the beginning
of the blaxploitation pictures.
1254
01:03:21,506 --> 01:03:24,175
And he said, "so the story
is interesting and everything.
1255
01:03:24,342 --> 01:03:26,010
It's really interesting.
I can give you
1256
01:03:26,177 --> 01:03:28,179
a couple hundred thousand
dollars to do it,
1257
01:03:28,346 --> 01:03:30,765
but if you could swing
a little bit
1258
01:03:30,932 --> 01:03:34,018
and make it black,
1259
01:03:34,185 --> 01:03:36,437
it might be--
we might have something here."
1260
01:03:36,604 --> 01:03:39,356
So I thought about it.
I said, "okay, let me think about it."
1261
01:03:39,524 --> 01:03:42,568
I wouldn't say no.
I always say yes to these things.
1262
01:03:42,736 --> 01:03:44,320
And I walked out and realized
my heart sank
1263
01:03:44,487 --> 01:03:46,864
because I realized,
no, they're Italian-Americans.
1264
01:03:47,032 --> 01:03:49,868
That's the part of the cultural thing.
It's sicilians and neapolitans
1265
01:03:50,035 --> 01:03:52,871
and ancient code that goes back
to the medieval times.
1266
01:03:53,038 --> 01:03:54,748
You're a fucking jerk-off.
1267
01:03:54,914 --> 01:03:58,459
And I'll tell you
something else, Mikey--
1268
01:03:58,626 --> 01:04:00,377
I fuck you right
where you breathe,
1269
01:04:00,545 --> 01:04:04,215
'cause I don't give two shits
about you or nobody else.
1270
01:04:06,009 --> 01:04:08,219
I said, "that's-- totally not.
I'm not gonna be able to do it."
1271
01:04:08,386 --> 01:04:11,097
But because of "boxcar Bertha"
1272
01:04:11,264 --> 01:04:13,724
and because of the group
that worked on the film,
1273
01:04:13,892 --> 01:04:16,060
I learned how to make the picture
within a certain amount of time.
1274
01:04:16,227 --> 01:04:18,812
And we were able
to take the same principles
1275
01:04:18,980 --> 01:04:22,233
that we applied to "boxcar Bertha"
and use them for "mean streets."
1276
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,735
We wound up shooting
most of it in Los Angeles
1277
01:04:24,903 --> 01:04:28,323
because we had that crew and the
corman crew knew how to work.
1278
01:04:31,868 --> 01:04:34,412
Dante: Roger's own
personal taste in pictures
1279
01:04:34,579 --> 01:04:36,747
is very different from the type
of pictures that he makes.
1280
01:04:36,915 --> 01:04:38,750
And also his taste
in directors
1281
01:04:38,917 --> 01:04:40,793
tends towards
antonioni and bergman.
1282
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,295
Corman:
Most of our films are domestic.
1283
01:04:43,463 --> 01:04:46,924
However, we do distribute
a number of foreign films--
1284
01:04:47,092 --> 01:04:48,843
bergman, fellini, truffaut,
1285
01:04:49,010 --> 01:04:50,761
now kurosawa
and a number of others.
1286
01:04:50,929 --> 01:04:52,597
Dante:
Roger had a lot of connections
1287
01:04:52,764 --> 01:04:54,098
and he had his own
distribution company.
1288
01:04:54,265 --> 01:04:57,685
And when the majors
started to give up on foreign films,
1289
01:04:57,852 --> 01:05:02,022
Roger talked people like
ingmar bergman and fellini into--
1290
01:05:02,190 --> 01:05:03,983
"i can get your picture
on screens
1291
01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:05,734
that have never run
a movie of yours,
1292
01:05:05,902 --> 01:05:07,987
because I have
a different audience
1293
01:05:08,154 --> 01:05:09,613
and a different way
of selling the movie."
1294
01:05:09,781 --> 01:05:11,157
And they all
signed off on it.
1295
01:05:11,324 --> 01:05:15,286
Ingmar bergman was a seminal
influence on Roger as a director.
1296
01:05:15,453 --> 01:05:17,288
"Cries and whispers"
did extremely well
1297
01:05:17,455 --> 01:05:19,707
and ingmar bergman
was very pleased.
1298
01:05:19,874 --> 01:05:22,543
And then Roger being Roger,
he had the idea
1299
01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:25,796
to distribute it
in drive-ins.
1300
01:05:25,964 --> 01:05:27,256
And that's what he did.
1301
01:05:27,424 --> 01:05:30,260
No one else had ever been able to do
that before, and probably not since.
1302
01:05:30,427 --> 01:05:31,845
That was something new
for Roger,
1303
01:05:32,011 --> 01:05:34,471
to have such prestige people
associated with him.
1304
01:05:34,639 --> 01:05:36,349
And it just went from there.
1305
01:05:36,516 --> 01:05:38,392
Roger, when he formed
new world pictures,
1306
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:41,020
was the first company
that was completely bifurcated.
1307
01:05:41,187 --> 01:05:44,440
In other words, in one direction
they were doing exploitation films,
1308
01:05:44,607 --> 01:05:46,150
but in the other direction
they were doing
1309
01:05:46,317 --> 01:05:48,527
the best foreign-language films
that were out there at that time.
1310
01:05:48,695 --> 01:05:50,488
Corman:
The money is secondary
1311
01:05:50,655 --> 01:05:51,947
in that particular area.
1312
01:05:52,115 --> 01:05:55,743
It's because I feel these films
should get
1313
01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:59,163
to a larger audience
than they do.
1314
01:05:59,330 --> 01:06:01,206
Announcer:
The new fellini--
1315
01:06:01,374 --> 01:06:03,667
"amarcord."
1316
01:06:06,004 --> 01:06:08,172
Corman: The company
is building very rapidly,
1317
01:06:08,339 --> 01:06:10,507
which takes a lot of time.
1318
01:06:10,675 --> 01:06:13,344
My wife and I have had
three children
1319
01:06:13,511 --> 01:06:14,970
in three consecutive
summers,
1320
01:06:15,138 --> 01:06:16,848
which takes
a certain amount of time.
1321
01:06:17,015 --> 01:06:18,850
We would go home
in the evening
1322
01:06:19,017 --> 01:06:21,227
and talk about
the problems of the day.
1323
01:06:21,394 --> 01:06:22,812
Then there got to be a time
1324
01:06:22,979 --> 01:06:25,940
when we, like, just didn't talk about
what had happened during the day.
1325
01:06:26,107 --> 01:06:29,318
But it got to be
a little embarrassing
1326
01:06:29,486 --> 01:06:32,405
because Roger didn't really know
what all I was doing
1327
01:06:32,572 --> 01:06:34,365
and I didn't really know
what all he was doing.
1328
01:06:34,532 --> 01:06:36,742
And I said, "look, Roger,
it's very embarrassing
1329
01:06:36,910 --> 01:06:39,412
when people say,
'what movies is Roger making?'
1330
01:06:39,579 --> 01:06:42,373
and I don't know.
You know, it is our company,
1331
01:06:42,540 --> 01:06:44,625
but there's what you're making
and what I'm making."
1332
01:06:44,792 --> 01:06:47,002
And so he said,
"well, I'll tell you what I'm making."
1333
01:06:47,170 --> 01:06:48,713
He said,
"I'm making 12 films."
1334
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:52,216
And he couldn't remember
the last two.
1335
01:06:52,383 --> 01:06:55,719
So he said, "well, whatever they are,
I'm gonna cancel them."
1336
01:06:55,887 --> 01:06:57,889
Reporter: You had made
a statement to the press
1337
01:06:58,056 --> 01:06:59,932
that you were getting out
of exploitation films
1338
01:07:00,099 --> 01:07:02,976
and into higher-budget films.
What brought you back into it?
1339
01:07:03,144 --> 01:07:05,813
In my last years
as a director,
1340
01:07:05,980 --> 01:07:08,941
I was climbing out of
the low-budget field
1341
01:07:09,108 --> 01:07:10,734
and was doing
more expensive films,
1342
01:07:10,902 --> 01:07:12,987
but when I started
my own company,
1343
01:07:13,154 --> 01:07:15,739
which was financed
essentially out of my own savings,
1344
01:07:15,907 --> 01:07:18,326
I was forced back
to low-budget films
1345
01:07:18,493 --> 01:07:20,536
because those were
all I could afford.
1346
01:07:20,703 --> 01:07:23,163
New world has had several
profitable years
1347
01:07:23,331 --> 01:07:26,000
and we're now starting
to make more expensive films
1348
01:07:26,167 --> 01:07:27,960
and we're climbing
once more.
1349
01:07:28,127 --> 01:07:30,087
Roger's had such success
with new world pictures
1350
01:07:30,255 --> 01:07:32,257
in the past couple of years
that now
1351
01:07:32,423 --> 01:07:34,341
people are dying to invest
in his movies.
1352
01:07:34,509 --> 01:07:37,929
And if a script is going around town
which has his endorsement on it
1353
01:07:38,096 --> 01:07:40,765
and a promise that he will distribute
it, you're in fabulous shape.
1354
01:07:40,932 --> 01:07:43,601
There's an old story about
1355
01:07:43,768 --> 01:07:46,228
the producer with a successful
Broadway play.
1356
01:07:46,396 --> 01:07:48,439
And his friend comes to him
and says,
1357
01:07:48,606 --> 01:07:50,566
"here's the way we can fix
the second act."
1358
01:07:50,733 --> 01:07:54,945
And the producer says,
"never -- around with a winner."
1359
01:07:55,113 --> 01:07:57,782
Roger came bounding
up the stairs.
1360
01:07:57,949 --> 01:08:00,534
And he said,
1361
01:08:00,702 --> 01:08:03,121
"Ron, you're here.
Have you heard the news?"
1362
01:08:03,288 --> 01:08:05,456
I said, "no."
"Great news:
1363
01:08:05,623 --> 01:08:07,541
'Grand Theft Auto'--"
1364
01:08:07,709 --> 01:08:10,128
which was a very successful
movie for him--
1365
01:08:10,295 --> 01:08:12,755
"'Grand Theft Auto'
just sold to CBS.
1366
01:08:12,922 --> 01:08:15,883
It's the first time we've ever
sold a movie to the networks--
1367
01:08:16,050 --> 01:08:18,677
for $1.1 million."
1368
01:08:18,845 --> 01:08:20,721
And I said,
"well, that's great, Roger."
1369
01:08:20,888 --> 01:08:22,890
He said, "lt's fantastic.
1370
01:08:23,057 --> 01:08:26,435
That makes your 7.5%
look awfully good."
1371
01:08:26,603 --> 01:08:29,063
'Cause I had a little profit
participation in "Grand Theft Auto."
1372
01:08:29,230 --> 01:08:30,981
I said, "yeah, it does."
He said,
1373
01:08:31,149 --> 01:08:35,153
"it makes my 92.5%
look goddamn wonderful."
1374
01:08:47,165 --> 01:08:51,085
♪ Open up the sky,
open up the sky ♪
1375
01:08:51,252 --> 01:08:55,297
♪ 'cause I'm coming up to you,
I'm coming up to you ♪
1376
01:08:55,465 --> 01:08:59,719
♪ so send down your wings,
so send down your wings ♪
1377
01:08:59,886 --> 01:09:01,804
♪ and let them bring me to you ♪
1378
01:09:01,971 --> 01:09:03,847
♪ and bring me to you ♪
1379
01:09:04,015 --> 01:09:07,518
♪ get on up, big bird,
to my baby's love ♪
1380
01:09:07,685 --> 01:09:09,937
♪ get on up, big bird ♪
1381
01:09:10,104 --> 01:09:12,022
♪ to my baby's love ♪
1382
01:09:12,190 --> 01:09:16,027
♪ get on up, big bird,
'cause I've got to make it ♪
1383
01:09:16,194 --> 01:09:18,070
♪ just get on up, big bird ♪
1384
01:09:18,237 --> 01:09:20,113
♪ 'cause I've got to make it ♪
1385
01:09:20,281 --> 01:09:22,157
♪ get on up, big bird ♪
1386
01:09:22,325 --> 01:09:24,201
♪ get on up,
big bird ♪
1387
01:09:24,369 --> 01:09:26,204
♪ get on up, big bird ♪
1388
01:09:26,371 --> 01:09:28,206
♪ get on up,
big bird ♪
1389
01:09:28,373 --> 01:09:30,208
♪ get on up, big bird ♪
1390
01:09:30,375 --> 01:09:32,168
♪ just get on up, big bird ♪
1391
01:09:32,335 --> 01:09:34,378
♪ get on up, big bird... ♪
1392
01:09:39,926 --> 01:09:43,012
Announcer: There is
a creature alive today.
1393
01:09:43,179 --> 01:09:45,514
It lives to kill--
1394
01:09:47,308 --> 01:09:49,560
a mindless eating machine.
1395
01:09:49,727 --> 01:09:52,229
It is as if god
1396
01:09:52,397 --> 01:09:54,232
created the devil
1397
01:09:54,399 --> 01:09:56,401
and gave him jaws.
1398
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,198
The blockbuster movie
of the summer is "jaws,"
1399
01:10:03,366 --> 01:10:04,909
the tale of a murderous
white shark...
1400
01:10:05,076 --> 01:10:07,411
The record-breaking box office
receipts created by "jaws"...
1401
01:10:07,578 --> 01:10:10,122
- ...the movie "jaws."
- Some people who have seen it
1402
01:10:10,289 --> 01:10:12,082
are now seeing phantom sharks
every time...
1403
01:10:12,250 --> 01:10:14,293
- Steven Spielberg...
- "Time magazine" seldom...
1404
01:10:14,460 --> 01:10:18,088
When that movie was released...
1405
01:10:18,256 --> 01:10:22,009
Announcer: See it
before you go swimming.
1406
01:10:22,176 --> 01:10:24,428
When Steven Spielberg
made "jaws,"
1407
01:10:24,595 --> 01:10:28,974
he took a very cormanesque idea--
you know, the killer shark.
1408
01:10:29,142 --> 01:10:31,018
I mean, it doesn't get
any more corman than that--
1409
01:10:31,185 --> 01:10:34,271
killer shark eating naked girls
as they go skinny-dipping.
1410
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:37,692
Roth: Once people got a taste
of movies like "jaws,"
1411
01:10:37,859 --> 01:10:40,611
they really didn't want
the drive-in movies anymore.
1412
01:10:40,778 --> 01:10:41,987
They stopped going.
1413
01:10:42,155 --> 01:10:43,781
They wanted
to go to the theaters
1414
01:10:43,948 --> 01:10:45,824
and be part of some
cultural phenomenon
1415
01:10:45,992 --> 01:10:48,160
that everyone was talking about
and everyone was going to see.
1416
01:10:48,327 --> 01:10:51,496
And it wasn't about
taking your girl to the drive-in.
1417
01:10:51,664 --> 01:10:53,540
And then everything
kind of changed
1418
01:10:53,708 --> 01:10:56,460
- on the day "star wars" came out.
- Yeah.
1419
01:10:56,627 --> 01:10:59,379
We went to an 11 :00 show
right over at the Chinese
1420
01:10:59,547 --> 01:11:00,923
and it was extraordinary.
1421
01:11:01,090 --> 01:11:02,966
- When these lines appeared...
- Yeah.
1422
01:11:03,134 --> 01:11:05,302
...everybody was astounded.
I mean, they couldn't understand.
1423
01:11:05,470 --> 01:11:07,597
"Jaws"-- it was like, okay,
it's a best-seller and we sort of know
1424
01:11:07,764 --> 01:11:09,974
that's gonna make a lot of money.
But "star wars" came from nowhere.
1425
01:11:10,141 --> 01:11:13,102
And all of a sudden
this gigantic change happened.
1426
01:11:13,269 --> 01:11:15,145
It was just like
the "easy rider" change.
1427
01:11:15,313 --> 01:11:18,524
It was like going to a revival meeting.
That first screening just was amazing.
1428
01:11:26,032 --> 01:11:28,659
Corman:
When I saw "star wars"
1429
01:11:28,826 --> 01:11:31,411
I said, "this is a threat to me
1430
01:11:31,579 --> 01:11:35,040
because it means
that the major studios
1431
01:11:35,208 --> 01:11:38,252
are beginning to understand
what we've been doing
1432
01:11:38,419 --> 01:11:41,547
for $100,000 or so
1433
01:11:41,714 --> 01:11:45,718
and they're now doing it
for multi-millions of dollars.
1434
01:11:45,885 --> 01:11:49,680
And it's going to be
very difficult for us to compete."
1435
01:12:11,035 --> 01:12:13,996
Corman:
I felt the major studios
1436
01:12:14,163 --> 01:12:16,582
are hitting straight into
1437
01:12:16,749 --> 01:12:19,042
what has been
my bread and butter
1438
01:12:19,210 --> 01:12:21,378
for 20 years
1439
01:12:21,546 --> 01:12:25,049
and also the staple
of many of my compatriots.
1440
01:12:37,395 --> 01:12:39,730
McCarthy:
"Jaws" and then "star wars"
1441
01:12:39,897 --> 01:12:42,691
set a whole new standard.
1442
01:12:42,859 --> 01:12:44,569
I mean, just the bar
got set higher.
1443
01:12:44,735 --> 01:12:46,027
You couldn't really get away
1444
01:12:46,195 --> 01:12:48,113
with doing cheap
science fiction films anymore.
1445
01:12:48,281 --> 01:12:51,033
Nicholson:
I hated "star wars."
1446
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:54,203
Lf "star wars" doesn't make
a ton of cabbage,
1447
01:12:54,370 --> 01:12:56,580
you know,
we'd still be having
1448
01:12:56,747 --> 01:13:00,792
these weird green flashing lines
going across the screen.
1449
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,754
All these guys are coming
from film school.
1450
01:13:03,921 --> 01:13:07,341
We're all coming from,
"let us get a job."
1451
01:13:08,801 --> 01:13:10,594
He did it first
with horror pictures,
1452
01:13:10,761 --> 01:13:13,472
with science fiction pictures
which he did for no money
1453
01:13:13,639 --> 01:13:17,809
and, you know, quickly
and unpretentiously.
1454
01:13:17,977 --> 01:13:19,937
That's who we are today.
1455
01:13:20,104 --> 01:13:21,939
And I miss
the Roger corman versions.
1456
01:13:22,106 --> 01:13:25,943
What we see now is the tent poles
of the studios.
1457
01:13:26,110 --> 01:13:28,862
The summer
and Christmas tent poles
1458
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:31,741
are very often films
that could have been done
1459
01:13:31,908 --> 01:13:35,453
by Roger corman
at a much smaller budget.
1460
01:13:35,620 --> 01:13:38,706
But those are the films now
that are attracting
1461
01:13:38,873 --> 01:13:40,791
the top filmmakers
and the biggest budgets.
1462
01:13:40,958 --> 01:13:44,962
And what has the wonderful
revolution done
1463
01:13:45,129 --> 01:13:47,089
for independence
of filmmaking?
1464
01:13:47,256 --> 01:13:50,634
Well, we make 12 circuses a year
and very few movies.
1465
01:13:50,801 --> 01:13:54,012
When you read that a picture cost
$35 million to make,
1466
01:13:54,180 --> 01:13:55,556
what do you think
of that cost?
1467
01:13:55,723 --> 01:13:57,474
Actually I think it's wrong.
1468
01:13:57,642 --> 01:14:01,854
I think the artist should be able
to express himself
1469
01:14:02,021 --> 01:14:04,148
for less money than that.
1470
01:14:04,315 --> 01:14:07,109
And the businessman should be able
to invest his money better.
1471
01:14:07,276 --> 01:14:09,695
I think from both an artistic
and a commercial standpoint,
1472
01:14:09,862 --> 01:14:12,155
it is wrong to spend that much money.
And in addition,
1473
01:14:12,323 --> 01:14:14,950
I think there are better things to do
with the money in our society.
1474
01:14:15,117 --> 01:14:16,660
- For example?
- You could--
1475
01:14:16,827 --> 01:14:18,662
for $30 million or $40 million,
1476
01:14:18,829 --> 01:14:20,831
which is what some of these films
are costing,
1477
01:14:20,998 --> 01:14:24,042
you could rebuild a portion
of the slums of a city,
1478
01:14:24,210 --> 01:14:25,836
- just as one example.
- Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
1479
01:14:26,003 --> 01:14:27,921
So you think it's obscene
to spend that much money.
1480
01:14:28,089 --> 01:14:29,423
Yes, I would use
that word.
1481
01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:31,717
Once the "star wars"
juggernaut thing happened
1482
01:14:31,884 --> 01:14:34,011
and the idea that everything
had to be an event movie,
1483
01:14:34,178 --> 01:14:36,013
it just became difficult.
The business changed.
1484
01:14:36,180 --> 01:14:38,182
He ended up having to go
direct to video with a lot of the stuff.
1485
01:14:38,349 --> 01:14:41,352
There's just 100 billion shelves
with 100 billion DVDs
1486
01:14:41,519 --> 01:14:43,687
and it's very hard to stick out.
1487
01:14:43,854 --> 01:14:45,814
He switched over to making
slasher movies.
1488
01:14:45,982 --> 01:14:48,734
And that was a very limited genre,
so it was harder
1489
01:14:48,901 --> 01:14:51,737
to make something that was
interesting in that genre.
1490
01:14:51,904 --> 01:14:54,823
I met him at a dinner party
in New York in the early '80s.
1491
01:14:54,991 --> 01:14:57,076
And I said, "aren't you
gonna do any more?
1492
01:14:57,243 --> 01:14:58,535
Are you gonna
direct a few more?"
1493
01:14:58,703 --> 01:15:01,205
He said, "i don't think so.
The whole scene is changing--
1494
01:15:01,372 --> 01:15:02,915
screwdrivers going
into people's heads.
1495
01:15:03,082 --> 01:15:05,584
It just doesn't-- it doesn't--
i don't belong there anymore."
1496
01:15:05,751 --> 01:15:08,795
George hickenlooper:
I think he's become more obscure.
1497
01:15:08,963 --> 01:15:11,006
And I think that's too bad,
because I think
1498
01:15:11,173 --> 01:15:14,426
he really has a very important
legacy in Hollywood.
1499
01:15:14,593 --> 01:15:16,678
When a lot of his stuff
went straight to DVD,
1500
01:15:16,846 --> 01:15:20,266
I think he lost a little bit
of his mystique and cachet.
1501
01:15:20,433 --> 01:15:23,269
Penelope spheeris:
If you walked up to any
1502
01:15:23,436 --> 01:15:26,397
20, 25-year-old film buff
1503
01:15:26,564 --> 01:15:29,358
and asked if they knew
who Roger was,
1504
01:15:29,525 --> 01:15:32,194
I think unfortunately
they probably don't.
1505
01:15:32,361 --> 01:15:35,989
Gosh, I mean,
how many other people
1506
01:15:36,157 --> 01:15:39,743
have made 400--
385 movies, you know?
1507
01:15:39,910 --> 01:15:42,787
If he hadn't done
seven million other pictures,
1508
01:15:42,955 --> 01:15:44,873
he'd have
the same reputation
1509
01:15:45,041 --> 01:15:47,293
as any of the other artistes.
1510
01:15:47,460 --> 01:15:49,712
Snyder: Are the people with whom
you've worked over the years
1511
01:15:49,879 --> 01:15:51,755
still friendly with you?
Do they like you?
1512
01:15:51,922 --> 01:15:53,757
Do they call you on the phone
now and again and say,
1513
01:15:53,924 --> 01:15:55,258
"hi, Roger.
How is it going?"
1514
01:15:55,426 --> 01:15:58,137
I think so. I still talk with them.
Careers move in different directions,
1515
01:15:58,304 --> 01:15:59,847
but most of them
are still friends of mine.
1516
01:16:00,014 --> 01:16:02,516
They use words with you like,
forgive me, "the schlockmeister."
1517
01:16:02,683 --> 01:16:04,184
Does that bother you
when they say those things?
1518
01:16:04,351 --> 01:16:05,352
- Yes.
- Does it?
1519
01:16:05,519 --> 01:16:07,687
- Yeah, it bothers me, right.
- It should. You're just trying...
1520
01:16:07,855 --> 01:16:09,773
Roth: Roger corman
made it okay for all of us
1521
01:16:09,940 --> 01:16:11,399
to make exploitation movies.
1522
01:16:11,567 --> 01:16:13,360
He showed that you
shouldn't be embarrassed.
1523
01:16:13,527 --> 01:16:16,029
There's nothing wrong with you
for loving a movie like "piranha."
1524
01:16:16,197 --> 01:16:18,365
That it doesn't mean
that you're stupid
1525
01:16:18,532 --> 01:16:21,076
for loving a movie that seems like
a stupid exploitation movie.
1526
01:16:21,243 --> 01:16:23,578
And that a lot of these films
are very smart,
1527
01:16:23,746 --> 01:16:25,330
made with lots
of intelligence
1528
01:16:25,498 --> 01:16:27,708
and that it's okay
to have fun at the movies.
1529
01:16:27,875 --> 01:16:29,751
I think it's very important
1530
01:16:29,919 --> 01:16:32,796
to let the generation of today
know who he is.
1531
01:16:32,963 --> 01:16:36,466
We all-- we knew it
almost 40 years ago.
1532
01:16:36,634 --> 01:16:40,638
So it's time to reintroduce him
as a director,
1533
01:16:40,805 --> 01:16:43,140
but also what he represents
of American entertainment.
1534
01:16:43,307 --> 01:16:46,101
He represents
a side of Hollywood
1535
01:16:46,268 --> 01:16:48,687
sort of unto his own,
you know.
1536
01:16:48,854 --> 01:16:50,647
You know, there are a lot of
Samuel goldwyns,
1537
01:16:50,815 --> 01:16:53,651
a lot of Irving thalbergs.
There's really only one Roger corman.
1538
01:16:53,818 --> 01:16:55,486
That style of filmmaking,
1539
01:16:55,653 --> 01:16:58,405
that attitude,
that approach to filmmaking
1540
01:16:58,572 --> 01:17:01,283
really is unparalleled.
1541
01:17:03,828 --> 01:17:06,956
You know, I know it's right
to have the tie hand-tied,
1542
01:17:07,123 --> 01:17:09,333
but frankly the pre-tied ties
1543
01:17:09,500 --> 01:17:11,793
look better
because they're perfect.
1544
01:17:11,961 --> 01:17:15,172
I guess the whole idea is
if it's slightly imperfect,
1545
01:17:15,339 --> 01:17:17,466
it's considered to be
handmade.
1546
01:17:17,633 --> 01:17:19,509
Julie: Yes.
1547
01:17:19,677 --> 01:17:21,345
There's delight in disorder.
1548
01:17:21,512 --> 01:17:23,514
Right.
1549
01:17:30,855 --> 01:17:32,815
Now...
1550
01:17:36,026 --> 01:17:38,361
- There you go.
- Okay.
1551
01:17:56,338 --> 01:17:59,466
We're gonna give the lifetime
achievement award
1552
01:17:59,633 --> 01:18:01,092
to Roger corman.
1553
01:18:01,260 --> 01:18:02,928
And they've asked me
to be part of it.
1554
01:18:03,929 --> 01:18:06,222
I got to call him.
And I said to him,
1555
01:18:06,390 --> 01:18:08,475
"the board of governors
of the motion picture academy
1556
01:18:08,642 --> 01:18:10,644
has voted to give you
an honorary Oscar
1557
01:18:10,811 --> 01:18:12,521
for your life achievement."
1558
01:18:12,688 --> 01:18:14,606
And there was silence.
He wasn't--
1559
01:18:14,773 --> 01:18:18,067
he goes, "excuse me?
That's unbelievable."
1560
01:18:19,111 --> 01:18:21,655
The funny part is, of course,
that Roger is,
1561
01:18:21,822 --> 01:18:24,282
you know, the ultimate
fierce independent.
1562
01:18:24,450 --> 01:18:26,869
So I told him, "yes," I said,
1563
01:18:27,036 --> 01:18:30,080
"i know when you get up there, you're
really gonna stick it to the man."
1564
01:18:36,879 --> 01:18:39,882
Howard:
Roger, if you could stand,
1565
01:18:40,049 --> 01:18:42,384
I'd like to offer you a toast.
1566
01:18:42,551 --> 01:18:45,554
For all your
1567
01:18:45,721 --> 01:18:47,764
progressive influence
1568
01:18:47,932 --> 01:18:49,767
in our medium
1569
01:18:49,934 --> 01:18:51,810
and for our industry,
1570
01:18:51,977 --> 01:18:54,688
it's our honor
to salute you tonight, Roger.
1571
01:18:54,855 --> 01:18:58,316
Hear, hear.
1572
01:18:58,484 --> 01:19:00,944
Tarantino:
The academy thanks you.
1573
01:19:01,111 --> 01:19:03,446
Hollywood thanks you.
1574
01:19:03,614 --> 01:19:06,700
Independent filmmaking
thanks you.
1575
01:19:06,867 --> 01:19:08,785
But most importantly,
1576
01:19:08,953 --> 01:19:11,205
for all the wild, weird,
1577
01:19:11,372 --> 01:19:14,500
cool, crazy moments you've put
on the drive-in screens,
1578
01:19:14,667 --> 01:19:18,629
the movie lovers of the planet
earth thank you.
1579
01:19:23,968 --> 01:19:27,721
He is one of the finest
personages in our field.
1580
01:19:27,888 --> 01:19:31,308
Roger, please come up
to accept your Oscar.
1581
01:19:52,329 --> 01:19:54,164
Needless to say,
I'm delighted
1582
01:19:54,331 --> 01:19:57,208
to accept this Oscar
personally,
1583
01:19:57,376 --> 01:20:01,004
but I'd also like to accept it
on behalf of my wife Julie,
1584
01:20:01,171 --> 01:20:03,673
who's been my--
1585
01:20:06,719 --> 01:20:10,013
--my producing partner
for many years.
1586
01:20:10,180 --> 01:20:13,224
I think that to succeed
in this world
1587
01:20:13,392 --> 01:20:15,394
you have to take chances.
1588
01:20:15,561 --> 01:20:20,061
I believe the finest films
being done today
1589
01:20:20,399 --> 01:20:22,901
are done by the original,
1590
01:20:23,068 --> 01:20:24,944
innovative filmmakers
1591
01:20:25,112 --> 01:20:26,988
who have the courage
1592
01:20:27,156 --> 01:20:29,449
to take a chance
and to gamble.
1593
01:20:29,616 --> 01:20:31,492
So I say to you,
1594
01:20:31,660 --> 01:20:33,745
keep gambling.
Keep taking chances.
1595
01:20:33,912 --> 01:20:36,372
Thank you.
1596
01:20:47,885 --> 01:20:52,264
When I think of sort of
sublime moments
1597
01:20:52,431 --> 01:20:55,267
in my professional life,
1598
01:20:55,434 --> 01:20:59,229
I think of winning
an academy award,
1599
01:20:59,396 --> 01:21:01,231
and right next to it
1600
01:21:01,398 --> 01:21:04,067
is the wrap party
for "Grand Theft Auto."
1601
01:21:04,234 --> 01:21:07,320
Actually everybody
grab for it.
1602
01:21:07,488 --> 01:21:09,364
Howard: I'd always dreamed
of making a movie
1603
01:21:09,531 --> 01:21:11,241
and Roger let me
make a movie.
1604
01:21:11,408 --> 01:21:13,743
And not only did I make it,
1605
01:21:13,911 --> 01:21:16,038
I loved it more
than I ever dreamed I might.
1606
01:21:16,205 --> 01:21:18,874
Is this sort of like the way you get
an honorary degree at Harvard?
1607
01:21:19,041 --> 01:21:20,500
Am I an honorary member
1608
01:21:20,667 --> 01:21:23,252
of the Roger corman
school of filmmaking?
1609
01:21:23,420 --> 01:21:25,088
You know, I don't know.
1610
01:21:25,255 --> 01:21:27,924
I'm actually a little tongue-tied
when I'm with Roger.
1611
01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:31,386
I just have--
1612
01:21:31,553 --> 01:21:33,972
you know, we're completely
different kind of people.
1613
01:21:34,139 --> 01:21:36,307
And I have such
respect for him.
1614
01:21:36,475 --> 01:21:38,351
You know,
every once in a while
1615
01:21:38,519 --> 01:21:40,395
Roger would come
to my rescue pretty much,
1616
01:21:40,562 --> 01:21:43,147
you know, when things were--
nothing was happening.
1617
01:21:44,733 --> 01:21:47,777
Polly platt: My husband left me
and the phone stopped ringing,
1618
01:21:47,945 --> 01:21:50,781
but the only person
who called me was Roger.
1619
01:21:52,783 --> 01:21:55,744
And he said, "you can direct
a picture any time you want.
1620
01:21:55,911 --> 01:21:58,455
I'll produce it for you."
1621
01:21:58,622 --> 01:22:02,459
So he's the only person
who called me.
1622
01:22:04,586 --> 01:22:07,797
Demme: We'll put them
on our Facebook pages.
1623
01:22:07,965 --> 01:22:09,800
I mean, there's nobody in there
1624
01:22:09,967 --> 01:22:14,137
that he didn't
in the most important way support.
1625
01:22:14,304 --> 01:22:17,098
He was, you know,
my main connec--
1626
01:22:17,266 --> 01:22:19,518
my lifeblood
1627
01:22:19,685 --> 01:22:22,062
to whatever I thought
i was gonna be
1628
01:22:22,229 --> 01:22:24,606
3s a person.
1629
01:22:24,773 --> 01:22:26,983
And, you know,
i hope he knows
1630
01:22:27,151 --> 01:22:29,444
that this is not
all hot air.
1631
01:22:29,611 --> 01:22:31,988
I'm gonna cry now.
1632
01:22:34,199 --> 01:22:37,035
Not just me,
who's very sentimental,
1633
01:22:37,202 --> 01:22:40,496
but these other people
also love him.
1634
01:22:44,918 --> 01:22:46,836
50ml-
1635
01:22:58,140 --> 01:23:02,352
corman: Mike, i'vejust
gotten off the phone with syfy.
1636
01:23:02,519 --> 01:23:05,730
They're very worried
about the climax of the script.
1637
01:23:05,898 --> 01:23:09,026
They believe
the Mayan dance sequence
1638
01:23:09,193 --> 01:23:11,695
in the jungle is not big enough.
1639
01:23:11,862 --> 01:23:14,364
I'm going to make the stage bigger
1640
01:23:14,531 --> 01:23:17,909
and bring in almost a Mayan village
rather than a temple.
1641
01:23:18,076 --> 01:23:21,287
He wants
to stay in the game.
1642
01:23:21,455 --> 01:23:23,915
To some extent, he does see
1643
01:23:24,082 --> 01:23:26,209
making movies as a game,
1644
01:23:26,376 --> 01:23:28,252
a game that you can
win or lose.
1645
01:23:28,420 --> 01:23:30,755
And staying in
means that you're winning.
1646
01:23:32,007 --> 01:23:33,717
Julie:
These are for "splatter."
1647
01:23:33,884 --> 01:23:36,011
- Oh, for "splatter," okay.
- Yes.
1648
01:23:36,178 --> 01:23:39,347
He really epitomized what's wonderful
about the American dream--
1649
01:23:39,515 --> 01:23:41,183
that you can succeed
no matter what.
1650
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:43,393
Even if you fail,
you can reinvent yourself.
1651
01:23:49,441 --> 01:23:52,068
Anderson: If you love it
and you're allowed to keep working,
1652
01:23:52,236 --> 01:23:54,321
or you have the energy
to keep working, as Roger does,
1653
01:23:54,488 --> 01:23:56,072
there is no retirement age.
1654
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:58,033
No one kind of gives you
your gold watch
1655
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:00,285
and tells you to go home
because your career's over.
1656
01:24:04,248 --> 01:24:06,083
Let's go back,
1657
01:24:06,250 --> 01:24:09,753
cut on the frame
after she exits the shot--
1658
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:12,923
barn! Right there.
1659
01:24:15,133 --> 01:24:17,301
There's an arab Maxim,
which is,
1660
01:24:17,469 --> 01:24:20,138
"the dogs bark,
but the caravan moves on."
1661
01:24:20,305 --> 01:24:22,557
And this is Roger to me,
as the caravan, you know.
1662
01:24:22,724 --> 01:24:24,350
He's making the decision
and moving forward.
1663
01:24:24,518 --> 01:24:25,936
And you're saying,
"but wait a minute,
1664
01:24:26,103 --> 01:24:28,105
you haven't thought about
what the actors will think.
1665
01:24:28,272 --> 01:24:30,065
And what about if the truck
isn't available?"
1666
01:24:30,232 --> 01:24:33,109
"We're gonna shoot this
here now."
1667
01:24:59,845 --> 01:25:03,932
Consider yourselves officially enrolled
in rock 'n' roll high school.
1668
01:25:04,099 --> 01:25:06,768
The facilities are yours.
Do whatever you want.
1669
01:25:08,687 --> 01:25:11,439
♪ Do you want to dance
and hold my hand? ♪
1670
01:25:11,607 --> 01:25:13,817
♪ Tell me, baby, I'm your lover man ♪
1671
01:25:13,984 --> 01:25:15,735
♪ oh, baby ♪
1672
01:25:15,902 --> 01:25:19,155
♪ do you want to dance? ♪
1673
01:25:19,323 --> 01:25:22,200
♪ Do you want to dance
under the moonlight? ♪
1674
01:25:22,367 --> 01:25:24,452
♪ Squeeze me, baby,
all through the night ♪
1675
01:25:24,620 --> 01:25:26,246
♪ oh, baby ♪
1676
01:25:26,413 --> 01:25:28,665
♪ do you want to dance? ♪
1677
01:25:30,375 --> 01:25:32,668
♪ Do you, do you, do you,
do you want to dance? ♪
1678
01:25:32,836 --> 01:25:35,171
♪ Do you, do you, do you, do you
want to dance? ♪
1679
01:25:35,339 --> 01:25:38,175
♪ Do you, do you, do you,
do you want to dance? ♪
1680
01:25:38,342 --> 01:25:39,760
What the hell?
1681
01:25:45,515 --> 01:25:48,893
♪ Do you want to dance
under the moonlight? ♪
1682
01:25:49,061 --> 01:25:50,854
♪ Squeeze me, baby,
all though the night ♪
1683
01:25:51,021 --> 01:25:52,897
♪ oh, baby ♪
1684
01:25:53,065 --> 01:25:55,859
♪ do you want to dance? ♪
1685
01:25:56,026 --> 01:25:59,446
♪ Do you want to dance
under the moonlight? ♪
1686
01:25:59,613 --> 01:26:01,364
♪ Squeeze me, baby,
all though the night ♪
1687
01:26:01,531 --> 01:26:03,449
♪ oh, baby ♪
1688
01:26:03,617 --> 01:26:07,203
♪ do you want to dance? ♪
1689
01:26:07,371 --> 01:26:09,873
♪ Do you want to dance
under the moonlight? ♪
1690
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:11,833
♪ Squeeze me, baby,
all though the night ♪
1691
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:13,835
♪ oh, baby ♪
1692
01:26:14,002 --> 01:26:17,171
♪ do you want to dance? ♪
1693
01:26:17,339 --> 01:26:20,216
♪ Do you, do you, do you,
do you want to dance? ♪
1694
01:26:20,384 --> 01:26:22,511
♪ Do you, do you, do you, do you
want to dance? ♪
1695
01:26:22,678 --> 01:26:24,471
♪ Do you, do you, do you ♪
1696
01:26:24,638 --> 01:26:27,724
♪ do you want to dance? ♪
1697
01:26:27,891 --> 01:26:29,934
- Sir.
- Excuse me, I'm on the phone.
1698
01:26:30,102 --> 01:26:32,562
- The piranhas.
- What about the goddamn piranhas?
1699
01:26:32,729 --> 01:26:34,272
They're eating
the guests, sir.
1700
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:35,898
♪ Do you, do you, do you,
do you want to dance? ♪
1701
01:26:36,066 --> 01:26:38,568
♪ Do you, do you, do you, do you
want to dance? ♪
1702
01:26:38,735 --> 01:26:40,319
♪ Do you, do you, do you ♪
1703
01:26:40,487 --> 01:26:44,032
♪ do you want to dance? ♪
1704
01:26:44,199 --> 01:26:46,242
♪ Do you, do you, do you,
do you want to dance? ♪
1705
01:26:46,410 --> 01:26:49,037
♪ Do you, do you, do you, do you
want to dance? ♪
1706
01:26:49,204 --> 01:26:50,830
♪ Do you, do you, do you ♪
1707
01:26:50,997 --> 01:26:54,417
♪ do you want to dance? ♪
1708
01:26:54,584 --> 01:26:56,919
♪ Do you, do you, do you,
do you want to dance? ♪
1709
01:26:57,087 --> 01:26:59,589
♪ Do you, do you, do you, do you
want to dance? ♪
1710
01:26:59,756 --> 01:27:01,340
♪ Do you, do you, do you ♪
1711
01:27:01,508 --> 01:27:04,427
♪ do you want to dance? ♪
1712
01:27:20,610 --> 01:27:24,030
Hey, quiet. Quiet, everybody.
Listen. Quiet.
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