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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:46,563 --> 00:01:47,504 Anwen. 2 00:01:48,413 --> 00:01:49,579 - Long time. - Steve. 3 00:01:49,580 --> 00:01:52,380 We've done as you asked, removed Cooper from the scene. 4 00:01:52,381 --> 00:01:55,838 He is giving a statement down at Haverfordwest Station. 5 00:02:02,745 --> 00:02:05,613 The paramedics put her on the floor for CPR. 6 00:02:06,466 --> 00:02:08,666 We need the Home Office pathologist on this. 7 00:02:08,667 --> 00:02:10,348 I'll call the coroner. 8 00:02:11,228 --> 00:02:12,630 And Anwen... 9 00:02:12,669 --> 00:02:15,389 make sure everyone knows it's possible there's no crime here. 10 00:02:15,390 --> 00:02:17,429 Cooper should be treated as sensitively 11 00:02:17,430 --> 00:02:20,031 as any husband who's just lost his wife. 12 00:02:21,913 --> 00:02:24,314 There's no signs of a struggle. 13 00:02:31,036 --> 00:02:33,797 No bruising on the arms or neck. 14 00:02:36,518 --> 00:02:38,452 We could have prevented this. 15 00:02:42,201 --> 00:02:46,554 We won't know if he killed her until we get the pathologist's report. 16 00:02:46,841 --> 00:02:50,122 Till then, he won't be allowed back in the house. 17 00:02:50,162 --> 00:02:52,043 He's staying with his brother. 18 00:02:52,044 --> 00:02:53,563 But this is a warning. 19 00:02:53,564 --> 00:02:56,637 John Cooper is out, and no good can come of that. 20 00:02:57,806 --> 00:02:59,527 And... 21 00:02:59,566 --> 00:03:01,487 we could be shut down any day. 22 00:03:01,488 --> 00:03:04,408 So, it's not good enough for us to sit around 23 00:03:04,448 --> 00:03:07,370 waiting for forensics to save our arses. 24 00:03:08,530 --> 00:03:10,731 We have to make something happen. 25 00:03:12,812 --> 00:03:15,613 Those khaki shorts are out there. 26 00:03:23,135 --> 00:03:24,336 Morning. 27 00:03:25,416 --> 00:03:29,778 Ahead of you is 28 Rose Meadow Lane, Cooper's last home. 28 00:03:29,818 --> 00:03:33,660 Behind you is Sardis village. 29 00:03:33,699 --> 00:03:35,699 This was his hunting ground. 30 00:03:35,739 --> 00:03:38,101 Those fields were his rat runs. 31 00:03:38,140 --> 00:03:39,700 And thanks to Huntsman, we know that 32 00:03:39,701 --> 00:03:41,741 these hedgerows were his so-called "safes", 33 00:03:41,742 --> 00:03:45,423 where he hid items he'd stolen or his offending gear. 34 00:03:45,463 --> 00:03:48,784 Now, these khaki shorts worried him in the interviews. 35 00:03:48,785 --> 00:03:51,053 He thinks they're out there still. 36 00:04:06,912 --> 00:04:08,393 PHONE RINGS 37 00:04:12,234 --> 00:04:13,914 Steve Wilkins, hello. 38 00:04:13,915 --> 00:04:17,074 Hello, Mr Wilkins. It's the Home Office pathologist here. 39 00:04:17,075 --> 00:04:18,835 Hello, sir. 40 00:04:18,875 --> 00:04:21,116 Thank you for getting back to me so promptly. 41 00:04:21,117 --> 00:04:23,677 - The results of Pat Cooper's postmortem. - Yeah? 42 00:04:23,678 --> 00:04:25,838 She died of natural causes. 43 00:04:25,878 --> 00:04:27,839 - Natural causes? - Yes. 44 00:04:27,879 --> 00:04:30,240 - It was clearly heart failure. - Her heart? 45 00:04:30,241 --> 00:04:31,561 OK. 46 00:04:31,601 --> 00:04:32,641 All right. 47 00:04:32,682 --> 00:04:34,880 Well, thank you for getting back. We appreciate it. 48 00:04:34,881 --> 00:04:35,882 No problem. 49 00:04:39,684 --> 00:04:41,285 She saw this coming. 50 00:04:43,004 --> 00:04:47,366 She had an ad cut out from the paper about arranging your own funeral. 51 00:04:47,367 --> 00:04:48,727 She knew. 52 00:04:48,766 --> 00:04:52,352 She knew living with him again would be the death of her. 53 00:04:52,689 --> 00:04:54,689 Do you think he'll try and make contact with you? 54 00:04:54,690 --> 00:04:56,810 No chance. 55 00:04:56,849 --> 00:04:57,930 What about the funeral? 56 00:04:57,931 --> 00:04:59,170 He won't want me there. 57 00:04:59,171 --> 00:05:00,852 What about what you want? 58 00:05:02,172 --> 00:05:06,012 If you want to attend your mother's funeral, we can help with that. 59 00:05:06,013 --> 00:05:07,213 Too much aggro. 60 00:05:08,295 --> 00:05:10,363 I'll go see her in my own time. 61 00:05:11,415 --> 00:05:12,576 Andrew... 62 00:05:12,616 --> 00:05:14,884 on behalf of my team and myself... 63 00:05:15,977 --> 00:05:17,017 I'm sorry. 64 00:05:19,898 --> 00:05:21,579 It wasn't your fault. 65 00:05:22,940 --> 00:05:25,141 Bad things happen around bad men. 66 00:05:30,823 --> 00:05:32,183 He's right, Steve. 67 00:05:32,184 --> 00:05:34,184 It wasn't our fault. 68 00:05:34,223 --> 00:05:36,983 If Cooper was still inside, Pat would still be alive 69 00:05:36,984 --> 00:05:39,385 and Andrew would still have a mother. 70 00:05:41,307 --> 00:05:43,148 HE SIGHS 71 00:05:45,347 --> 00:05:48,997 But with Pat out of the picture, he's even more dangerous. 72 00:05:49,469 --> 00:05:51,470 It's like a ticking time bomb. 73 00:05:52,670 --> 00:05:55,471 Living on his own is new territory for him. 74 00:05:59,993 --> 00:06:01,727 Just him and his thoughts. 75 00:06:03,075 --> 00:06:04,876 His fantasies, compulsions. 76 00:06:06,396 --> 00:06:08,116 Ten years' worth. 77 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,919 We have come together to commend our sister Patricia 78 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,920 into the hands of Almighty God, our heavenly father. 79 00:06:22,921 --> 00:06:24,282 In the presence of death, 80 00:06:24,283 --> 00:06:27,724 Christians have sure grounds for hope and confidence, 81 00:06:27,764 --> 00:06:30,884 and even joy, because the Lord Jesus Christ, 82 00:06:30,924 --> 00:06:36,046 who shared our human life and death, was raised again triumphant 83 00:06:36,087 --> 00:06:38,886 and lives evermore. In this faith, we put our trust. 84 00:06:38,887 --> 00:06:41,729 Help us, we humbly beseech thee, Lord. 85 00:06:42,889 --> 00:06:45,651 Amen. 86 00:07:28,066 --> 00:07:29,266 Fuck! 87 00:07:30,748 --> 00:07:32,027 Glyn... 88 00:07:32,067 --> 00:07:35,827 Huntsman recovered all the items of clothing from the house, correct? 89 00:07:35,828 --> 00:07:37,990 Yeah, they did, yeah. 90 00:07:38,029 --> 00:07:41,231 - And they photographed every item? - Yeah. 91 00:07:42,711 --> 00:07:44,353 Khaki shorts. 92 00:07:44,392 --> 00:07:45,912 They're the same. 93 00:07:45,952 --> 00:07:48,313 There's something wrong with this picture. 94 00:07:48,314 --> 00:07:51,713 Could the colour be affected by the processing? The flash? 95 00:07:51,714 --> 00:07:54,448 Yeah, I guess so. And it's an old picture. 96 00:07:55,997 --> 00:07:59,262 We need to see what these shorts actually look like. 97 00:08:23,726 --> 00:08:25,208 Jesus Christ... 98 00:08:26,607 --> 00:08:28,209 They are khaki. 99 00:08:28,249 --> 00:08:30,609 But they do look a lot shorter. 100 00:08:30,650 --> 00:08:32,771 Maybe he had them altered. 101 00:08:32,810 --> 00:08:34,329 Pat was a seamstress. 102 00:08:34,330 --> 00:08:35,531 May I? 103 00:08:39,653 --> 00:08:42,052 Oh, Steve, elasticated waistband. No fly. 104 00:08:42,053 --> 00:08:43,375 They... 105 00:08:43,414 --> 00:08:45,414 They look like women's shorts. 106 00:08:48,816 --> 00:08:51,083 Yeah, well, they're all we've got. 107 00:08:52,697 --> 00:08:54,691 We're sending them in for testing. 108 00:09:09,372 --> 00:09:10,991 PHONE RINGS 109 00:09:11,026 --> 00:09:12,363 Steve Wilkins. 110 00:09:12,399 --> 00:09:14,040 Steve, it's Angela Gallop. 111 00:09:14,041 --> 00:09:16,285 Are you driving, by any chance? 112 00:09:16,324 --> 00:09:18,448 It's OK, you're on speaker. 113 00:09:18,487 --> 00:09:20,557 I think you'd better pull over. 114 00:09:30,064 --> 00:09:31,265 OK. 115 00:09:31,306 --> 00:09:33,107 - What is it? - Right... 116 00:09:33,148 --> 00:09:35,591 So, we unpicked the hem of the shorts, like you asked, 117 00:09:35,592 --> 00:09:38,676 and we taped the uncovered area for fibres 118 00:09:38,716 --> 00:09:41,721 and noticed there is a faint stain. 119 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,682 So, we went back to the exact same spot 120 00:09:43,683 --> 00:09:45,847 on the shorts and... 121 00:09:45,886 --> 00:09:48,289 ...found a tiny flake of blood. 122 00:09:50,052 --> 00:09:52,175 It's Peter Dixon's. 123 00:09:55,741 --> 00:09:58,143 - How sure are you? - Full profile. 124 00:09:58,183 --> 00:10:01,787 The probability of that blood having come from anybody else 125 00:10:01,788 --> 00:10:03,149 is a billion to one. 126 00:10:03,150 --> 00:10:05,220 It's your golden nugget, Steve. 127 00:10:07,276 --> 00:10:08,479 Steve? 128 00:10:10,642 --> 00:10:12,244 Are you still there? 129 00:10:15,167 --> 00:10:17,771 Please, don't take this the wrong way... 130 00:10:18,533 --> 00:10:22,097 ...but I bloody love you! SHE LAUGHS 131 00:10:46,452 --> 00:10:48,134 Charge him with the lot. 132 00:10:51,300 --> 00:10:53,141 Including Nolton Hill? 133 00:10:53,182 --> 00:10:55,065 - The lot. - Yes! 134 00:10:58,189 --> 00:10:59,311 Thank you. 135 00:11:03,317 --> 00:11:04,517 Thank you. 136 00:11:07,082 --> 00:11:08,524 Check the vehicle. 137 00:11:09,566 --> 00:11:11,007 We're going in. 138 00:11:22,985 --> 00:11:24,265 Morning, John. 139 00:11:25,949 --> 00:11:27,350 John William Cooper, 140 00:11:27,351 --> 00:11:30,153 you're under arrest for the murders of Helen and Richard Thomas... 141 00:11:30,154 --> 00:11:32,942 - Fuck off! Get off me! Fuck off! - ...and Peter and Gwenda Dixon. 142 00:11:32,943 --> 00:11:34,079 You are also under arrest 143 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,763 for attempted armed robbery, rape and sexual assault 144 00:11:36,764 --> 00:11:41,491 during an attack on five teenagers in Milford Haven in 1996. 145 00:11:45,016 --> 00:11:46,577 Boss... 146 00:11:48,220 --> 00:11:49,663 Jesus... 147 00:11:49,702 --> 00:11:52,439 And I found this in the glove compartment. 148 00:11:53,989 --> 00:11:56,591 We got him just in time. 149 00:12:01,238 --> 00:12:02,881 DOOR OPENS 150 00:12:04,443 --> 00:12:06,085 Right, John. 151 00:12:06,126 --> 00:12:08,128 You know Detective Inspector Richards. 152 00:12:08,129 --> 00:12:11,453 I am Detective Superintendent Steve Wilkins. 153 00:12:11,493 --> 00:12:13,335 I know who you are. 154 00:12:18,143 --> 00:12:20,026 Can you see OK, John? 155 00:12:20,066 --> 00:12:23,206 I've got a spare pair of glasses if you need them. 156 00:12:23,510 --> 00:12:24,953 HE SIGHS 157 00:12:24,992 --> 00:12:26,234 That's me. 158 00:12:26,274 --> 00:12:27,436 That isn't. 159 00:12:27,475 --> 00:12:30,800 The last time we met, you said you'd never had collar-length hair. 160 00:12:30,801 --> 00:12:33,844 Oh, so I forgot that I had collar-length hair 20 years ago. 161 00:12:33,845 --> 00:12:35,086 It's not a crime, is it? 162 00:12:35,087 --> 00:12:38,811 Let's talk about the shorts the man in the drawing's wearing, John. 163 00:12:38,812 --> 00:12:44,379 Mr Cooper is being shown a photo of item AJM/165. 164 00:12:44,419 --> 00:12:47,944 The khaki shorts recovered by Huntsman from 28 Rose Meadow Lane. 165 00:12:47,945 --> 00:12:49,786 Now, the last time you spoke to us, John, 166 00:12:49,787 --> 00:12:52,029 you said that you'd once owned a pair of 167 00:12:52,030 --> 00:12:53,873 what you described as khaki bathers. 168 00:12:53,874 --> 00:12:55,476 Is that them? 169 00:12:55,515 --> 00:12:56,958 Well... 170 00:12:56,998 --> 00:12:58,720 if they're from my home, maybe. 171 00:12:58,721 --> 00:13:00,682 Strictly speaking, they're not bathers, John. 172 00:13:00,683 --> 00:13:01,923 The fabric's too heavy. 173 00:13:01,924 --> 00:13:04,248 I used them as bathers. So, to me, that's what they are. 174 00:13:04,249 --> 00:13:06,410 During the interview in July 2008, 175 00:13:06,411 --> 00:13:09,174 you said that the shorts worn by the man in the drawing 176 00:13:09,175 --> 00:13:12,620 couldn't possibly be yours as your bathers were much shorter. 177 00:13:12,621 --> 00:13:14,943 - HE SCOFFS - See for yourself. 178 00:13:14,984 --> 00:13:19,670 For the tape, I'm showing Mr Cooper item AJM/165/B. 179 00:13:19,710 --> 00:13:21,431 We unpicked the hem, John. 180 00:13:21,432 --> 00:13:24,355 So, do you see how, with the excess fabric turned down, 181 00:13:24,356 --> 00:13:27,761 the difference in length between the two pairs of shorts is reduced? 182 00:13:27,762 --> 00:13:29,963 If you do that to any garment, that's what'll happen. 183 00:13:29,964 --> 00:13:32,607 Yeah, we know your wife used to work as a seamstress. 184 00:13:32,608 --> 00:13:33,890 Did she alter these shorts? 185 00:13:33,891 --> 00:13:36,134 You leave my wife out of this. 186 00:13:36,174 --> 00:13:38,016 Since the July 2008 interviews, 187 00:13:38,017 --> 00:13:39,938 certain forensic discoveries have been made 188 00:13:39,939 --> 00:13:41,661 which we would like to discuss with you 189 00:13:41,662 --> 00:13:44,103 so that you can have an opportunity to comment. 190 00:13:44,104 --> 00:13:47,349 In reference to AJM/165/B, 191 00:13:47,389 --> 00:13:49,711 this white circle indicates an area 192 00:13:49,712 --> 00:13:52,395 where an amount of Peter Dixon's blood was found. 193 00:13:52,396 --> 00:13:56,082 Can you give us an explanation as to how that might be? 194 00:14:04,413 --> 00:14:08,419 Pat got most of my clothes from the Oxfam and Army Surplus. 195 00:14:10,622 --> 00:14:12,865 Oh, and you should also be talking to my son. 196 00:14:12,866 --> 00:14:16,029 As I told you all before, he was in the habit of borrowing my clothes. 197 00:14:16,030 --> 00:14:17,112 John... 198 00:14:17,151 --> 00:14:19,315 was Peter Dixon's blood 199 00:14:19,355 --> 00:14:22,439 deposited on the khaki shorts when you shot him? 200 00:14:23,601 --> 00:14:25,923 I've never killed anybody in my life. These shorts... 201 00:14:25,924 --> 00:14:28,128 sorry, bathers... 202 00:14:28,167 --> 00:14:32,269 were something of a treasure trove, John. Especially the pockets. 203 00:14:32,934 --> 00:14:35,818 Photo AJM/166. 204 00:14:35,859 --> 00:14:39,143 What this photo shows us, John, is a microscopic image 205 00:14:39,144 --> 00:14:41,987 of the fluff found in the pockets of your khaki bathers. 206 00:14:41,988 --> 00:14:44,189 Fluff that consisted of human hair. 207 00:14:44,190 --> 00:14:46,915 Yours. Skin cells. Also yours. 208 00:14:46,954 --> 00:14:49,518 But nothing of your son, though. 209 00:14:49,557 --> 00:14:53,964 Certain fabric fibres were also found in the fluff. 210 00:14:54,005 --> 00:14:57,289 For the tape, glove BB/109, 211 00:14:57,328 --> 00:15:01,574 found under the hedgerow near your home at 28 Rose Meadow Lane. 212 00:15:01,615 --> 00:15:06,582 MTJ/5 and 7 recovered by Huntsman from the Sardis trail. 213 00:15:06,622 --> 00:15:08,343 John, are these three gloves yours? 214 00:15:08,344 --> 00:15:10,347 Absolutely not. 215 00:15:11,389 --> 00:15:15,113 As I told you before, Adrian was the glove-wearer in our family. 216 00:15:15,114 --> 00:15:17,958 I never wore gloves. I found them too cumbersome. 217 00:15:17,959 --> 00:15:21,548 What about the new pair we found in the boot of your car? 218 00:15:22,165 --> 00:15:23,486 Well... 219 00:15:23,526 --> 00:15:25,048 obviously, I wear gloves now. 220 00:15:25,049 --> 00:15:27,010 Now I'm older, I feel the cold more. 221 00:15:27,011 --> 00:15:29,214 Fibres exactly matching the constituent fibres 222 00:15:29,215 --> 00:15:32,138 of these three gloves were found in the fluff 223 00:15:32,179 --> 00:15:33,899 from the pockets of your khaki bathers. 224 00:15:33,900 --> 00:15:36,946 - How do you account for that? - Are you deaf? 225 00:15:40,110 --> 00:15:43,187 I told you, Adrian wore the bathers more than me. 226 00:15:44,436 --> 00:15:47,639 When two articles of clothing come into contact with each other, 227 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,281 there is always an exchange of fibres. 228 00:15:49,282 --> 00:15:51,405 On glove BB/109, 229 00:15:51,446 --> 00:15:54,009 our team found fibres from another source. 230 00:15:54,010 --> 00:15:56,533 For the tape, BM/1, 231 00:15:56,573 --> 00:15:59,017 a sock belonging to Richard Thomas. 232 00:15:59,056 --> 00:16:01,779 The only item of clothing recovered from his body 233 00:16:01,780 --> 00:16:05,786 after it was destroyed in the fire at Scoveston Park in 1985. 234 00:16:05,826 --> 00:16:10,033 Fibres from this sock were found on glove BB/109. 235 00:16:10,072 --> 00:16:13,276 And fibres from this glove were found on this sock. 236 00:16:14,159 --> 00:16:16,402 - Are you with me so far, John? - Oh, keep talking, yeah. 237 00:16:16,403 --> 00:16:17,362 I know you want to. 238 00:16:17,363 --> 00:16:19,845 These discoveries are consistent with the accepted view 239 00:16:19,846 --> 00:16:22,169 that Richard Thomas' killer wore gloves 240 00:16:22,170 --> 00:16:24,492 when he dragged his body from the outbuilding 241 00:16:24,493 --> 00:16:26,816 into the main house at Scoveston. 242 00:16:26,856 --> 00:16:28,737 Are you listening to this, huh? 243 00:16:28,738 --> 00:16:31,063 - This is Fantasy Island. - John... 244 00:16:31,102 --> 00:16:32,544 are you the person responsible 245 00:16:32,545 --> 00:16:34,306 for the murder of Richard and Helen Thomas 246 00:16:34,307 --> 00:16:36,644 at Scoveston Park in December 1985? 247 00:16:38,313 --> 00:16:39,634 No. 248 00:16:39,675 --> 00:16:41,037 I was not. 249 00:16:41,077 --> 00:16:43,079 Fibres are the gifts that keep on giving, John. 250 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:44,840 Other fibres, from a different source, 251 00:16:44,841 --> 00:16:47,365 were found on gloves MTJ/5 and 7. 252 00:16:49,608 --> 00:16:51,532 For the tape, BKG/9. 253 00:16:51,572 --> 00:16:54,014 Those fibres were an exact match 254 00:16:54,055 --> 00:16:57,179 with constituent fibres found in the underwear of a young female 255 00:16:57,180 --> 00:17:01,705 who was raped on the evening of the 6th March 1996 256 00:17:01,746 --> 00:17:04,668 in a field by the Nolton Hill Estate, Milford Haven. 257 00:17:04,669 --> 00:17:08,115 John, are you the person who, on 6th March 1996, 258 00:17:08,154 --> 00:17:09,956 pointed a gun at five young people, 259 00:17:09,957 --> 00:17:12,881 three females and two males, on Nolton Hill 260 00:17:12,921 --> 00:17:14,791 and searched them for money? 261 00:17:16,166 --> 00:17:17,968 Mr Cooper has not answered. 262 00:17:18,009 --> 00:17:21,791 John, are you the person who raped one of the young females? 263 00:17:24,018 --> 00:17:25,779 Mr Cooper has not answered. 264 00:17:25,781 --> 00:17:27,822 John, are you the person who indecently assaulted 265 00:17:27,823 --> 00:17:29,945 one of the other young females? 266 00:17:38,799 --> 00:17:39,999 For the tape... 267 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,806 PH/2, the sawn-off shotgun found on the Sardis trail, 268 00:17:43,846 --> 00:17:45,767 which matches the description 269 00:17:45,768 --> 00:17:48,691 given by two of the victims of the Nolton Hill attack, 270 00:17:48,692 --> 00:17:50,934 and the victim in the Sardis robbery, 271 00:17:50,935 --> 00:17:54,500 a crime we know you were convicted of in 1998. 272 00:17:54,540 --> 00:17:56,222 If you're gonna say that you found my DNA 273 00:17:56,223 --> 00:17:58,187 on that, I told her... 274 00:17:58,226 --> 00:18:00,669 about the prosecution making me handle it during the trial. 275 00:18:00,670 --> 00:18:04,195 Well, we did find DNA on the gun, John. 276 00:18:04,234 --> 00:18:05,637 But not yours. 277 00:18:05,677 --> 00:18:08,882 You see the black finish on the barrel and stock? 278 00:18:09,883 --> 00:18:12,367 Anvileen satin black metal paint. 279 00:18:12,407 --> 00:18:16,893 For the tape, JAW/100, 280 00:18:16,933 --> 00:18:20,939 recovered by Huntsman from the shed at 28 Rose Meadow Lane. 281 00:18:20,978 --> 00:18:23,142 John... 282 00:18:23,182 --> 00:18:25,824 were you the one who applied this paint to the barrel of the gun? 283 00:18:25,825 --> 00:18:28,390 That is not... 284 00:18:28,430 --> 00:18:31,714 my gun. 285 00:18:31,753 --> 00:18:33,355 We had the paint removed. 286 00:18:33,356 --> 00:18:36,841 On some of the flakes, our forensic scientists 287 00:18:36,882 --> 00:18:40,278 noticed a reddish cast that tested positive for blood. 288 00:18:40,967 --> 00:18:42,970 Peter Dixon's blood. 289 00:18:43,009 --> 00:18:44,933 John... 290 00:18:44,973 --> 00:18:49,579 did you shoot Peter and Gwenda Dixon with this gun? 291 00:18:55,748 --> 00:18:58,761 - What are you doing, John? - John... 292 00:18:59,674 --> 00:19:01,865 Sit down, John. 293 00:19:13,895 --> 00:19:15,451 DOG BARKS IN DISTANCE 294 00:19:23,263 --> 00:19:24,535 SHE KNOCKS ON DOOR 295 00:19:29,518 --> 00:19:31,109 Erin James? 296 00:19:31,145 --> 00:19:33,384 Erin Davies. I'm married. 297 00:19:34,343 --> 00:19:36,063 Hi, Erin. 298 00:19:36,103 --> 00:19:38,502 I'm Detective Inspector Ella Richards. 299 00:19:38,503 --> 00:19:40,902 This is Detective Superintendent Steve Wilkins. 300 00:19:40,903 --> 00:19:42,422 Mm, I remember you. 301 00:19:51,779 --> 00:19:54,299 Erin, we've recently arrested a man 302 00:19:54,339 --> 00:19:56,979 on suspicion of committing four murders. 303 00:19:57,018 --> 00:19:59,537 We also believe he was the man who attacked you 304 00:19:59,538 --> 00:20:01,217 and your friends in 1996. 305 00:20:02,617 --> 00:20:04,296 After all this time? 306 00:20:04,336 --> 00:20:07,296 I'm so sorry. I realise this must be a shock. 307 00:20:07,336 --> 00:20:10,235 Why couldn't you have done this 13 years ago? 308 00:20:10,976 --> 00:20:12,295 Erin... 309 00:20:12,335 --> 00:20:13,934 may I say something? 310 00:20:18,134 --> 00:20:19,934 We know we let you down. 311 00:20:21,454 --> 00:20:24,531 All we want is to see to it the man who hurt you and your friends 312 00:20:24,532 --> 00:20:26,731 never gets to hurt anyone else ever again. 313 00:20:26,732 --> 00:20:28,999 And you can help make that happen. 314 00:20:30,850 --> 00:20:33,130 All of you will be assigned Family Liaison Officers 315 00:20:33,131 --> 00:20:35,328 to support you and your family through the process. 316 00:20:35,329 --> 00:20:37,048 The trial won't be for weeks yet. 317 00:20:37,049 --> 00:20:39,568 I won't be taking part in any trial. 318 00:20:39,608 --> 00:20:41,888 None of you will be required to appear in court. 319 00:20:41,889 --> 00:20:44,421 Everything will be done via video link. 320 00:20:45,448 --> 00:20:48,167 You won't have to be in the same room as him. 321 00:20:48,168 --> 00:20:51,046 My husband doesn't know I was raped. 322 00:21:02,843 --> 00:21:04,563 How was it? 323 00:21:04,603 --> 00:21:07,242 Leanne Dauncey will testify. 324 00:21:07,282 --> 00:21:10,241 Erin's angry, but Leanne thinks she can talk her round. 325 00:21:10,242 --> 00:21:13,441 Karen Joseph's out of the question. She's practically housebound. 326 00:21:13,442 --> 00:21:16,961 She's had mental health issues ever since the attack. 327 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,199 The two boys won't cooperate, either. 328 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:23,399 Not after everything that happened with the original investigation. 329 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,277 The trial begins at Swansea Crown Court tomorrow 330 00:21:26,278 --> 00:21:30,797 of 65-year-old John William Cooper of Letterston, Pembrokeshire. 331 00:21:30,837 --> 00:21:33,595 Cooper has been charged with the four murders 332 00:21:33,596 --> 00:21:35,555 and with the rape and indecent assault 333 00:21:35,556 --> 00:21:39,755 of two teenage girls at Milford Haven in 1996. 334 00:21:49,753 --> 00:21:52,712 The defence will make much of the fact that the khaki shorts 335 00:21:52,713 --> 00:21:54,831 are indeed women's shorts. 336 00:21:54,872 --> 00:21:58,191 That it makes no sense that the defendant was wearing them 337 00:21:58,192 --> 00:22:00,991 when he brutally murdered Mr and Mrs Dixon. 338 00:22:01,471 --> 00:22:05,430 But murder cases have a habit of defying common sense. 339 00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:09,269 According to the son of Mr and Mrs Dixon... 340 00:22:10,068 --> 00:22:13,467 ...whenever his parents went walking and his mother was wearing 341 00:22:13,468 --> 00:22:16,545 long trousers, she would always put a pair of shorts 342 00:22:16,546 --> 00:22:20,467 in her backpack in case the weather turned warm. 343 00:22:20,506 --> 00:22:23,305 But no shorts of any description were found 344 00:22:23,346 --> 00:22:25,478 at the Coastal Path crime scene. 345 00:22:26,024 --> 00:22:27,824 Why? 346 00:22:29,504 --> 00:22:32,582 Imagine the sequence of events, ladies and gentlemen. 347 00:22:32,583 --> 00:22:36,863 The defendant shoots the Dixons at close range. 348 00:22:36,903 --> 00:22:40,622 He then moves their bodies and covers them with branches. 349 00:22:40,662 --> 00:22:43,661 In the process, some of their blood - 350 00:22:43,701 --> 00:22:47,778 judging by these distressing images, probably a lot of their blood - 351 00:22:47,779 --> 00:22:50,499 gets onto his trousers. 352 00:22:50,539 --> 00:22:54,978 In a panic, he goes through his victims' backpacks and finds... 353 00:22:56,057 --> 00:22:59,297 ...Mrs Dixon's khaki shorts. 354 00:22:59,338 --> 00:23:01,575 He removes his own blood-stained trousers 355 00:23:01,576 --> 00:23:05,495 and puts on Mrs Dixon's shorts and quits the scene, 356 00:23:05,535 --> 00:23:09,136 taking his trousers with him, unaware that a single spot 357 00:23:09,176 --> 00:23:14,213 of Peter Dixon's blood had found its way onto the shorts. 358 00:23:20,732 --> 00:23:22,652 How come you're not inside? 359 00:23:24,612 --> 00:23:27,010 The SIO is the last Crown witness. 360 00:23:28,091 --> 00:23:30,650 I'm not allowed in until I give my evidence. 361 00:23:30,651 --> 00:23:32,250 How are you feeling? 362 00:23:33,569 --> 00:23:35,289 Ready as I'll ever be. 363 00:23:36,568 --> 00:23:37,929 Come on. 364 00:23:41,247 --> 00:23:45,447 This police artist's impression was based on 365 00:23:45,486 --> 00:23:47,926 a witness sighting of the defendant as he withdrew cash 366 00:23:47,927 --> 00:23:53,205 from a NatWest ATM in Haverfordwest using Peter Dixon's bank card. 367 00:23:53,244 --> 00:23:58,124 The sighting was made two days after the murder and yet, incredibly, 368 00:23:58,164 --> 00:24:02,042 the defendant was still wearing Mrs Dixon's khaki shorts. 369 00:24:02,083 --> 00:24:06,961 A hugely incriminating piece of evidence linking him to two murders. 370 00:24:07,001 --> 00:24:12,000 Why on earth had he not disposed of them at the earliest opportunity? 371 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:16,279 Think about what that says about the mind of John William Cooper. 372 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,840 Was he thumbing his nose at the world, 373 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,879 convinced that he was too clever to be caught for his horrific crime? 374 00:24:23,919 --> 00:24:28,158 Or was his motivation darker, stranger? 375 00:24:28,197 --> 00:24:33,755 Did he regard Mrs Dixon's shorts as a trophy to be worn with pride... 376 00:24:35,275 --> 00:24:39,554 ...and perhaps just a touch of sexual gratification? 377 00:24:39,595 --> 00:24:43,314 Whatever the explanation, this drawing shows a killer 378 00:24:43,354 --> 00:24:46,393 wearing an item of clothing stolen from a woman 379 00:24:46,433 --> 00:24:48,752 he has murdered in cold blood. 380 00:24:48,792 --> 00:24:51,672 The defendant has always maintained 381 00:24:51,711 --> 00:24:54,151 that this drawing bears no resemblance to himself 382 00:24:54,152 --> 00:24:56,631 as he was in the summer of 1989. 383 00:24:56,671 --> 00:24:59,709 But due to an extraordinary quirk of fate, 384 00:24:59,749 --> 00:25:02,349 one month before the Coastal Path murders, 385 00:25:02,350 --> 00:25:05,069 his likeness was captured on video 386 00:25:05,109 --> 00:25:08,884 during his appearance on a game show on national television. 387 00:25:09,747 --> 00:25:12,080 The resulting image speaks volumes. 388 00:25:20,426 --> 00:25:22,184 This is you. 389 00:25:22,224 --> 00:25:25,024 Now, he can see you. But you can't see him. 390 00:25:26,183 --> 00:25:28,543 And, er... be warned. 391 00:25:28,584 --> 00:25:31,261 His defence barrister will be rough with you. 392 00:25:31,262 --> 00:25:33,622 He'll try and paint you as the unreliable witness 393 00:25:33,623 --> 00:25:35,020 with an axe to grind. 394 00:25:35,021 --> 00:25:36,781 No worries, Steve. 395 00:25:36,822 --> 00:25:38,581 I've got my dragon scales for protection. 396 00:25:38,582 --> 00:25:41,381 Let's have the jury back in, please. 397 00:25:47,778 --> 00:25:50,378 Both the barristers will refer to you as Adrian. 398 00:25:50,379 --> 00:25:52,736 That's just so the jury doesn't get confused. 399 00:25:52,737 --> 00:25:53,977 No problem. 400 00:25:54,017 --> 00:25:57,296 Mr Evans, are you content to begin your cross-examination...? 401 00:25:57,297 --> 00:25:59,230 Why did you change your name? 402 00:26:01,455 --> 00:26:04,122 Cos he was the one that called me Adrian. 403 00:26:05,255 --> 00:26:07,787 It was more of a girl's name back then. 404 00:26:08,655 --> 00:26:12,253 You know that Johnny Cash song, A Boy Named Sue? 405 00:26:13,414 --> 00:26:15,093 He played it constantly. 406 00:26:16,653 --> 00:26:19,052 "Adrian, they're playing your song." 407 00:26:20,812 --> 00:26:22,172 He said he called me a girl's name 408 00:26:22,173 --> 00:26:25,072 for the same reason as the father in the song. 409 00:26:25,690 --> 00:26:27,210 To toughen me up... 410 00:26:28,009 --> 00:26:29,689 ...cos I'd have to fight. 411 00:26:30,610 --> 00:26:33,076 Maybe it's the one thing he got right. 412 00:26:34,409 --> 00:26:36,089 I'm a stubborn bastard. 413 00:26:37,687 --> 00:26:39,327 Isn't it true, Adrian, 414 00:26:39,328 --> 00:26:43,206 that when you were living at 28 Rose Meadow Lane 415 00:26:43,246 --> 00:26:45,924 you often used to wear your father's clothes? 416 00:26:45,925 --> 00:26:48,046 No, I never wore his clothes. 417 00:26:48,086 --> 00:26:50,204 What about gloves, Adrian? 418 00:26:50,244 --> 00:26:53,683 Isn't it true that you were the glove-wearer of the family? 419 00:26:53,684 --> 00:26:56,604 I used to wear gloves. But so did he. 420 00:26:56,644 --> 00:26:58,883 And who do you mean by "he"? 421 00:27:00,803 --> 00:27:03,082 John Cooper. 422 00:27:03,122 --> 00:27:05,082 Your father? 423 00:27:06,961 --> 00:27:09,160 Yes, sir. 424 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,400 Isn't it true, Adrian, that from the age of 11 425 00:27:13,439 --> 00:27:17,118 you started to become disobedient both at home and at school? 426 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:18,758 Yes, a bit, maybe. 427 00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:21,156 Your disobedience developed into theft, did it not, 428 00:27:21,157 --> 00:27:23,037 stealing money from your mother and father? 429 00:27:23,038 --> 00:27:24,078 No! 430 00:27:24,118 --> 00:27:26,435 I never stole any money from my parents. 431 00:27:26,436 --> 00:27:27,956 I'm not a thief. 432 00:27:29,755 --> 00:27:32,514 A few days after the murders of Mr and Mrs Dixon, 433 00:27:32,515 --> 00:27:35,994 a gold band was sold to a jewellers in Pembroke Dock, 434 00:27:36,035 --> 00:27:38,673 which the prosecution claim 435 00:27:38,713 --> 00:27:42,792 was the wedding ring the killer removed from Peter Dixon's corpse. 436 00:27:42,793 --> 00:27:46,032 The transaction was recorded by the jeweller on a receipt 437 00:27:46,033 --> 00:27:49,471 bearing the signature J Cooper. 438 00:27:49,511 --> 00:27:51,270 The court has heard that your father, 439 00:27:51,271 --> 00:27:53,669 John William Cooper, stated that the sig... 440 00:27:53,670 --> 00:27:54,910 AUDIO BREAKS UP 441 00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:56,428 ...jeweller's receipt was not... 442 00:27:56,429 --> 00:27:57,508 AUDIO BREAKS UP 443 00:27:57,509 --> 00:28:01,389 ...and that the usual form of his signature is JW Cooper. 444 00:28:01,428 --> 00:28:03,947 Isn't it true, Adrian, that when you lived at... 445 00:28:03,948 --> 00:28:06,666 - AUDIO BREAKS UP - 28 Rose Meadow Lane, you were in 446 00:28:06,667 --> 00:28:09,386 the habit of forging the signatures of both your mother and father 447 00:28:09,387 --> 00:28:12,346 for the purpose of fraudulently cashing cheques in their names? 448 00:28:12,347 --> 00:28:13,585 No, that's totally untrue. 449 00:28:13,586 --> 00:28:15,504 You deny that you were an accomplished forger 450 00:28:15,505 --> 00:28:17,065 of both your mother... 451 00:28:17,066 --> 00:28:19,064 - AUDIO BREAKS UP - ..and father's signature? 452 00:28:19,065 --> 00:28:21,743 - I can't hear what you're saying. - Can't hear... 453 00:28:21,744 --> 00:28:23,864 ...or refuse to hear, Adrian? 454 00:28:23,903 --> 00:28:26,461 Sorry, Mr Evans, we're having a technical issue this end. 455 00:28:26,462 --> 00:28:29,534 Your voice keeps cutting out. One minute, please. 456 00:28:34,741 --> 00:28:37,340 Carry on, Mr Evans. It should be OK now. 457 00:28:38,940 --> 00:28:41,060 I put it to you, Adrian, 458 00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:44,457 that for reasons known only to yourself, you have long 459 00:28:44,458 --> 00:28:47,538 harboured a passionate vendetta against your father. 460 00:28:47,539 --> 00:28:49,496 That, because of this vendetta, 461 00:28:49,497 --> 00:28:51,537 in your dealings with the police in both 462 00:28:51,538 --> 00:28:53,975 the Huntsman and the Ottawa investigations, 463 00:28:53,976 --> 00:28:56,736 you have done everything in your power 464 00:28:56,777 --> 00:28:59,454 to assist them in their singled-minded persecution 465 00:28:59,455 --> 00:29:00,895 of your father. 466 00:29:00,935 --> 00:29:03,614 Indeed, that you see your appearance in court today as merely 467 00:29:03,615 --> 00:29:05,972 another opportunity to spread more lies. 468 00:29:05,973 --> 00:29:08,440 Do you really think I want to be here? 469 00:29:24,409 --> 00:29:26,676 Erin, Leanne, thank you for coming. 470 00:29:27,810 --> 00:29:30,968 These are our parents and Erin's husband. 471 00:29:32,089 --> 00:29:35,047 Er, we'll show you to the room you'll be giving your evidence from. 472 00:29:35,048 --> 00:29:39,247 We've decided to give our evidence in court. 473 00:29:40,206 --> 00:29:41,246 Oh? 474 00:29:42,566 --> 00:29:44,046 Karen died. 475 00:29:45,445 --> 00:29:46,724 What happened? 476 00:29:46,765 --> 00:29:48,365 Her health... 477 00:29:48,404 --> 00:29:51,403 finally gave out. 478 00:29:51,443 --> 00:29:53,883 - We're doing this for her. - Yeah. 479 00:29:53,923 --> 00:29:55,989 - And Stephen and David. - Yeah. 480 00:30:07,679 --> 00:30:09,239 Are you OK? 481 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,719 Tissues and water. 482 00:30:30,035 --> 00:30:32,954 We often played in the woods... 483 00:30:32,995 --> 00:30:34,433 by our estate. 484 00:30:35,834 --> 00:30:37,953 There was a rope swing. 485 00:30:37,994 --> 00:30:40,260 So, we were mucking about on that. 486 00:30:43,151 --> 00:30:44,671 About... 487 00:30:44,711 --> 00:30:47,710 eight o'clock it got dark, so we headed home. 488 00:30:47,751 --> 00:30:50,695 We took the shortcut across the farmer's field. 489 00:30:51,670 --> 00:30:55,629 We were about halfway along when we heard a noise. 490 00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:57,468 SHE CLEARS HER THROAT 491 00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:59,628 We all turned round... 492 00:30:59,668 --> 00:31:03,635 and saw someone coming towards us, shining a torch in our eyes. 493 00:31:05,146 --> 00:31:08,946 I thought it was a boy we knew, so I shouted at him... 494 00:31:11,586 --> 00:31:15,105 ..."Shine the light in our eyes, why don't you, Martin?" 495 00:31:17,184 --> 00:31:20,304 But the person shouted back in a man's voice... 496 00:31:21,623 --> 00:31:23,983 ..."Do I look like Martin?" 497 00:31:26,343 --> 00:31:28,809 We all thought it was the farmer then. 498 00:31:29,661 --> 00:31:30,782 But, erm... 499 00:31:30,822 --> 00:31:37,139 as he came closer, we could see he had a mask on over his head with... 500 00:31:37,179 --> 00:31:39,980 holes for the mouth and eyes... 501 00:31:40,020 --> 00:31:43,579 and er, he had a shotgun pointing at us. 502 00:31:45,538 --> 00:31:51,297 Er, David started to apologise to the man for us being on his land. 503 00:31:51,337 --> 00:31:53,776 The man told him to shut up 504 00:31:53,816 --> 00:31:56,455 and er, he... 505 00:31:56,496 --> 00:31:59,028 hit him over the head with the shotgun. 506 00:32:00,055 --> 00:32:01,094 And, erm... 507 00:32:05,014 --> 00:32:07,213 ...David started crying then. 508 00:32:07,253 --> 00:32:11,812 And then he told us to walk down to the lower part of the field, 509 00:32:11,851 --> 00:32:14,371 which you can't see from the estate. 510 00:32:16,450 --> 00:32:17,491 He... 511 00:32:17,531 --> 00:32:19,650 made us say our names. 512 00:32:19,690 --> 00:32:21,689 His voice was angry. 513 00:32:21,730 --> 00:32:23,463 We were all really scared. 514 00:32:24,408 --> 00:32:27,416 And then he told us to lie down on the ground... 515 00:32:28,049 --> 00:32:30,381 ...and keep our faces in the grass. 516 00:32:31,447 --> 00:32:33,126 And then I felt him... 517 00:32:34,086 --> 00:32:36,846 pulling my hair at the back. 518 00:32:41,526 --> 00:32:43,205 He told me to stand up... 519 00:32:48,123 --> 00:32:49,803 ...and to go with him. 520 00:32:52,402 --> 00:32:55,281 Mrs Davies, the ordeal that you and your friends suffered 521 00:32:55,282 --> 00:32:58,601 on the evening of 6th March 1996 522 00:32:58,641 --> 00:33:00,400 happened 15 years ago. 523 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,120 You were a girl of 16. 524 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:03,321 Yeah. 525 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,040 You were terrified. It was dark. 526 00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:07,118 Given all that, 527 00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:09,318 how reliable do you think your memory is 528 00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:11,386 of the events which took place? 529 00:33:12,438 --> 00:33:15,437 I remember every detail like it was yesterday. 530 00:33:17,997 --> 00:33:20,397 You don't forget something like that. 531 00:33:21,956 --> 00:33:23,196 You try to. 532 00:33:24,556 --> 00:33:26,315 But you can't. 533 00:33:26,354 --> 00:33:29,834 Did the man who attacked you ever remove his mask? 534 00:33:31,113 --> 00:33:32,113 No. 535 00:33:33,274 --> 00:33:35,072 So, to be clear... 536 00:33:36,152 --> 00:33:40,871 ...at no time did you, or any of your friends, see his face? 537 00:33:45,670 --> 00:33:46,681 No. 538 00:34:01,406 --> 00:34:03,304 This man in the photograph is the real John Cooper. 539 00:34:03,305 --> 00:34:06,952 A loving husband who was married to his wife for 42 years. 540 00:34:07,903 --> 00:34:10,664 We had a son who was the apple of our eye. 541 00:34:12,463 --> 00:34:15,726 An apple that went bad and broke his mother's heart. 542 00:34:16,422 --> 00:34:19,742 I believe that the heart attack that killed my wife 543 00:34:19,782 --> 00:34:21,915 was brought on because of the... 544 00:34:21,941 --> 00:34:25,781 the stress, the sadness and the shame 545 00:34:25,820 --> 00:34:29,980 because of all the time that I spent in prison as an innocent man. 546 00:34:30,621 --> 00:34:33,899 The police and Mr Elias tell you I'm a liar. 547 00:34:33,939 --> 00:34:37,580 That I'm lying when I say that most of my clothes, 548 00:34:37,620 --> 00:34:40,578 most significantly, my khaki bathers, were second-hand. 549 00:34:40,579 --> 00:34:41,779 Well... 550 00:34:41,818 --> 00:34:44,257 obviously, they don't know what it's like to be poor. 551 00:34:44,258 --> 00:34:47,097 This suit that I'm wearing today, it's second-hand. 552 00:34:47,098 --> 00:34:48,617 In my wardrobe at home, 553 00:34:48,618 --> 00:34:52,777 I've got an overcoat second-hand that I wore to my wife's funeral. 554 00:34:54,257 --> 00:34:57,695 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I spent ten years of my life 555 00:34:57,696 --> 00:35:00,014 in prison for crimes that I did not commit. 556 00:35:00,015 --> 00:35:02,256 Please... Please, do not allow 557 00:35:02,296 --> 00:35:06,615 the police to carry out another miscarriage of justice against me. 558 00:35:07,615 --> 00:35:09,533 I am not a murderer. 559 00:35:09,574 --> 00:35:11,694 I am not a rapist. 560 00:35:11,734 --> 00:35:14,654 I am an innocent man who's been wronged. 561 00:35:14,694 --> 00:35:16,053 Thank you. 562 00:35:18,213 --> 00:35:19,733 Mr Elias... 563 00:35:19,773 --> 00:35:21,331 it's a quarter to four. 564 00:35:21,332 --> 00:35:24,291 This would probably be a suitable time for me to rise. 565 00:35:24,292 --> 00:35:26,571 Are you content to begin your cross-examination 566 00:35:26,572 --> 00:35:28,091 of Mr Cooper tomorrow? 567 00:35:28,092 --> 00:35:29,529 If My Lord would permit, 568 00:35:29,530 --> 00:35:31,969 I would like to have a few minutes with Mr Cooper. 569 00:35:31,970 --> 00:35:35,130 - Very well, Mr Elias. - Thank you, My Lord. 570 00:35:35,170 --> 00:35:37,170 All right, Mr Cooper... 571 00:35:37,210 --> 00:35:39,528 I would like to ask you a few questions about 572 00:35:39,529 --> 00:35:41,327 the balaclava which was discovered 573 00:35:41,328 --> 00:35:43,927 under the hedgerow near the scene of the Sardis robbery. 574 00:35:43,928 --> 00:35:46,729 Ladies and gentlemen, you will remember 575 00:35:46,769 --> 00:35:51,608 that this is the balaclava which, in the course of the Huntsman trial, 576 00:35:51,648 --> 00:35:53,008 it was found that 577 00:35:53,048 --> 00:35:56,823 there were a number of the defendant's head hairs within it. 578 00:35:57,846 --> 00:36:02,206 Could you please give Mr Cooper exhibit MTJ/14, please? 579 00:36:04,405 --> 00:36:06,524 It's all right, Mr Cooper. 580 00:36:06,565 --> 00:36:08,483 The item has been cleared forensically. 581 00:36:08,484 --> 00:36:11,351 Touching it won't compromise you in any way. 582 00:36:16,244 --> 00:36:17,644 Mr Cooper... 583 00:36:17,684 --> 00:36:19,363 is that your balaclava? 584 00:36:20,643 --> 00:36:22,001 To the best of my knowledge. 585 00:36:22,002 --> 00:36:23,682 Yes or no, Mr Cooper? 586 00:36:24,603 --> 00:36:28,001 Yes. But I did not commit the Sardis robbery. 587 00:36:28,042 --> 00:36:30,241 Like I said, that was stolen off my boat 588 00:36:30,242 --> 00:36:31,999 long before it was found under the hedgerow. 589 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,800 But you accept that the balaclava is yours? 590 00:36:36,281 --> 00:36:37,440 Yes. 591 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:42,319 Mr Cooper, that isn't what you told the jury during the Huntsman trial 592 00:36:42,359 --> 00:36:43,879 in 1998, is it? 593 00:36:44,918 --> 00:36:46,639 I know. I made a mistake. 594 00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:52,118 During that trial, under oath, you denied that the balaclava was yours. 595 00:36:53,758 --> 00:36:56,397 So, my question to you, Mr Cooper, 596 00:36:56,437 --> 00:36:59,597 is were you lying to the jury then... 597 00:36:59,637 --> 00:37:02,964 - or are you lying to the jury now? - I'm not a liar. 598 00:37:03,276 --> 00:37:05,794 - I forgot. I made a mistake. - Let me rephrase the question. 599 00:37:05,795 --> 00:37:07,075 What was the truth? 600 00:37:07,076 --> 00:37:10,953 What you told the jury in 1998 or what you've told the jury today? 601 00:37:10,954 --> 00:37:13,314 No, I didn't deliberately... 602 00:37:13,354 --> 00:37:14,473 I misremembered. 603 00:37:14,474 --> 00:37:18,674 Misremembered in 1998 or misremembered today, Mr Cooper? 604 00:37:21,992 --> 00:37:23,753 Mr Cooper... 605 00:37:23,792 --> 00:37:25,351 the question is a simple one. 606 00:37:25,352 --> 00:37:26,553 Which was it? 607 00:37:26,593 --> 00:37:31,112 What you said to the court in 1998 or what you have told us today? 608 00:37:37,191 --> 00:37:38,390 Today. 609 00:37:38,430 --> 00:37:42,349 So, you admit that in 1998 you lied to that jury? 610 00:37:42,389 --> 00:37:44,656 - Yes, but... - Thank you, My Lord. 611 00:37:50,629 --> 00:37:51,709 So... 612 00:37:52,709 --> 00:37:54,388 ...members of the jury... 613 00:37:55,228 --> 00:37:59,132 ...it is now time for you to retire to consider your verdicts. 614 00:38:00,067 --> 00:38:03,426 Remember, at all times, you must keep in mind 615 00:38:03,466 --> 00:38:07,784 that it is for the Crown to prove the guilt of John William Cooper... 616 00:38:07,785 --> 00:38:11,465 ...not for the defence to prove his innocence. 617 00:38:11,505 --> 00:38:16,225 If the Crown have failed to do that, then you must find him... 618 00:38:16,265 --> 00:38:17,784 not guilty. 619 00:38:24,224 --> 00:38:27,223 BELL TOLLS 620 00:38:37,820 --> 00:38:39,340 - All right? - Yeah. 621 00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:41,820 What are those? 622 00:38:41,860 --> 00:38:44,059 That's my post-verdict statements for the press. 623 00:38:44,060 --> 00:38:45,859 Guilty. Not guilty. 624 00:38:46,899 --> 00:38:50,458 Well, you can get rid of that one. 625 00:38:50,498 --> 00:38:52,659 That's my letter of resignation. 626 00:38:52,699 --> 00:38:54,259 What? 627 00:38:54,298 --> 00:38:57,241 I'd have failed the victims and their families. 628 00:39:01,538 --> 00:39:03,217 DOOR OPENS 629 00:39:05,257 --> 00:39:07,057 DOOR CLOSES 630 00:39:10,656 --> 00:39:12,176 Verdict. 631 00:39:12,216 --> 00:39:13,496 All rise! 632 00:39:17,374 --> 00:39:19,655 Whatever the judgment is... 633 00:39:19,695 --> 00:39:21,694 we receive it with dignity. 634 00:39:21,734 --> 00:39:26,574 Ella, Lynne, Glyn, Nigel, Rambo, it's been an honour 635 00:39:26,614 --> 00:39:28,332 and a privilege. 636 00:39:33,452 --> 00:39:35,652 - Cheers, boss. - Cheers, boss. 637 00:39:35,692 --> 00:39:38,159 Let's have the jury in, please. 638 00:39:58,169 --> 00:40:00,568 Will the foreman please stand? 639 00:40:02,447 --> 00:40:04,648 Will the defendant please stand? 640 00:40:07,326 --> 00:40:09,086 My Lord, the jury has been in retirement 641 00:40:09,087 --> 00:40:12,030 - for eight hours and ten minutes. - Thank you. 642 00:40:13,686 --> 00:40:17,646 Mr Foreman, please answer my next question yes or no. 643 00:40:17,686 --> 00:40:21,004 Have you reached a verdict on which you are all agreed? 644 00:40:21,005 --> 00:40:22,565 Yes. 645 00:40:22,605 --> 00:40:25,524 Is that in relation to all 11 counts? 646 00:40:25,564 --> 00:40:26,803 Yes. 647 00:40:27,843 --> 00:40:31,802 On count one of the indictment, the murder of Helen Thomas, 648 00:40:31,842 --> 00:40:35,163 do you find the defendant, John William Cooper, 649 00:40:35,203 --> 00:40:36,883 guilty or not guilty? 650 00:40:40,122 --> 00:40:42,522 - Guilty. - Guilty. 651 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,721 On count two of the indictment, 652 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,958 the murder of Richard Thomas, guilty or not guilty? 653 00:40:49,959 --> 00:40:52,120 - Guilty. - Guilty. 654 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,398 On count three of the indictment, 655 00:40:56,438 --> 00:41:00,679 the murder of Gwenda Dixon, guilty or not guilty? 656 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,598 Guilty. 657 00:41:02,638 --> 00:41:05,718 On count four of the indictment, 658 00:41:05,757 --> 00:41:08,764 the murder of Peter Dixon, guilty or not guilty? 659 00:41:09,557 --> 00:41:10,557 Guilty. 660 00:41:11,717 --> 00:41:14,517 On count five of the indictment, 661 00:41:14,557 --> 00:41:16,395 the rape of Erin Davies, 662 00:41:16,435 --> 00:41:17,875 nee James... 663 00:41:19,156 --> 00:41:20,836 ...guilty or not guilty? 664 00:41:23,874 --> 00:41:25,834 - Guilty. - Rubbish! 665 00:41:25,874 --> 00:41:27,833 That's rubbish! 666 00:41:27,873 --> 00:41:29,994 I'm not a child rapist! 667 00:41:30,034 --> 00:41:31,593 This is not justice! 668 00:41:31,594 --> 00:41:35,951 On count six of the indictment, the indecent assault of Leanne Dauncey, 669 00:41:35,952 --> 00:41:37,713 guilty or not guilty? 670 00:41:39,233 --> 00:41:41,072 - Guilty. - This is rubbish! 671 00:41:41,112 --> 00:41:42,910 You've not heard all the evidence! 672 00:41:42,911 --> 00:41:45,378 This is a fit-up! This is not justice! 673 00:41:45,391 --> 00:41:48,110 Mr Cooper, be quiet, or I will have you removed. 674 00:41:48,111 --> 00:41:50,111 We love you, John! 675 00:41:50,151 --> 00:41:54,349 On counts seven, eight, nine, ten and 11, 676 00:41:54,389 --> 00:41:58,829 the offences of attempted robbery, guilty or not guilty? 677 00:41:58,869 --> 00:42:00,189 Guilty. 678 00:42:02,388 --> 00:42:03,668 John William Cooper, 679 00:42:03,669 --> 00:42:07,027 the jury have found you guilty of all 11 counts on the indictment. 680 00:42:07,028 --> 00:42:08,466 Shut up, you stupid bastard! 681 00:42:08,467 --> 00:42:11,667 I hereby sentence you to life imprisonment. 682 00:42:11,707 --> 00:42:14,146 The crimes for which you have been convicted 683 00:42:14,147 --> 00:42:18,345 are of such evil wickedness, the mandatory sentence of life... 684 00:42:18,385 --> 00:42:21,706 - This is not justice! - ..will mean just that. 685 00:42:21,745 --> 00:42:24,744 - I'm an innocent man! - Take him down. 686 00:42:24,784 --> 00:42:26,705 This is not justice! 687 00:42:26,744 --> 00:42:28,303 This is persecution! 688 00:42:28,304 --> 00:42:32,743 Persecution of John Cooper, carried out by Steve Wilkins! 689 00:42:32,783 --> 00:42:36,262 A man is gonna spend time in prison for a crime he did not commit! 690 00:42:36,263 --> 00:42:38,795 I am not a rapist! I am not a murderer! 691 00:42:40,143 --> 00:42:42,262 This is a fit-up! 692 00:42:42,302 --> 00:42:44,968 I am not a murderer! 693 00:42:49,621 --> 00:42:53,021 CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK 694 00:42:53,061 --> 00:42:56,099 Today's verdicts give the families of Richard and Helen Thomas, 695 00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:57,778 Peter and Gwenda Dixon, 696 00:42:57,779 --> 00:43:00,338 and the five victims of the Nolton Hill attack 697 00:43:00,339 --> 00:43:02,898 and their families justice. 698 00:43:02,938 --> 00:43:05,698 But there is no sentence the court could have imposed 699 00:43:05,699 --> 00:43:06,857 on John William Cooper 700 00:43:06,858 --> 00:43:09,801 that could ever compensate them for their loss. 701 00:43:10,297 --> 00:43:13,817 Today's verdicts are a warning to all individuals 702 00:43:13,857 --> 00:43:16,056 who would commit such terrible crimes. 703 00:43:16,057 --> 00:43:17,737 Whatever they touch... 704 00:43:18,856 --> 00:43:20,854 ...will bear witness against them. 705 00:43:20,855 --> 00:43:22,335 Evidence lasts. 706 00:43:22,375 --> 00:43:24,056 It does not forget. 707 00:43:24,096 --> 00:43:25,656 And it cannot lie. 708 00:43:28,215 --> 00:43:31,933 And it will always be found by those with the will to find it. 709 00:43:31,934 --> 00:43:33,614 CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK 710 00:43:33,654 --> 00:43:35,373 Thank you. 711 00:43:39,333 --> 00:43:41,613 On behalf of Dyfed Powys Police, 712 00:43:41,653 --> 00:43:45,331 I would like to pay tribute to the officers of Operation Ottawa 713 00:43:45,332 --> 00:43:48,891 for their diligence and their professionalism. 714 00:43:51,052 --> 00:43:53,784 Are you ready for your exclusive, Mr Hill? 715 00:43:54,131 --> 00:43:55,450 Thanks, Steve. 716 00:43:57,091 --> 00:43:58,889 - Are we good? - Yeah. 717 00:44:02,090 --> 00:44:06,633 Detective Superintendent, can I get your reaction to today's sentencing? 718 00:44:10,248 --> 00:44:12,246 Yeah, really great. Really nice. 719 00:44:12,247 --> 00:44:14,207 - Yeah? - Brilliant. Yeah, it's amazing. 720 00:44:14,208 --> 00:44:15,888 - Great. - It's all here. 721 00:44:15,927 --> 00:44:17,087 - He loves it? - Yeah. 722 00:44:17,088 --> 00:44:19,246 - Awesome. - It's all yours. 723 00:44:19,286 --> 00:44:21,087 - Much appreciated. - Enjoy. 724 00:44:21,127 --> 00:44:23,127 I'll look after it, I promise. 725 00:44:23,607 --> 00:44:25,166 Thanks. 726 00:44:48,163 --> 00:44:49,562 Boss... 727 00:44:49,602 --> 00:44:51,402 Visitor for you downstairs. 728 00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:00,360 Hey, what's this? 729 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,159 - I thought you were in school? - Yeah, I got the afternoon off. 730 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,599 I thought I'd come and see where it all happened. 731 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,199 Well, there's not much to see now. 732 00:45:10,438 --> 00:45:14,797 "There is no greater responsibility or duty placed on a human being 733 00:45:14,837 --> 00:45:17,637 "than to investigate the circumstances of the death 734 00:45:17,638 --> 00:45:19,318 "of another human being." 735 00:45:20,836 --> 00:45:22,836 Quite the job description, eh? 736 00:45:39,075 --> 00:45:41,474 I've decided sixth form's not for me. 737 00:45:42,514 --> 00:45:44,194 Are you OK with that? 738 00:45:45,393 --> 00:45:47,673 - Does your mother know? - Yeah. 739 00:45:48,872 --> 00:45:50,072 She blames you. 740 00:45:51,153 --> 00:45:52,672 Of course she does. 741 00:45:57,231 --> 00:45:59,563 I'm thinking of joining the police. 742 00:46:01,631 --> 00:46:02,991 Seriously? 743 00:46:04,111 --> 00:46:05,708 What about the football? 744 00:46:05,709 --> 00:46:07,429 Ah, come on, Dad. 745 00:46:07,470 --> 00:46:10,190 I'm good, but I'm not that good. 746 00:46:10,229 --> 00:46:13,108 What makes you think you'd be any better as a policeman? 747 00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:14,948 You made a success of it. How hard can it be? 748 00:46:14,949 --> 00:46:16,908 Watch it! 749 00:46:16,949 --> 00:46:18,387 STEVE CHUCKLES 750 00:46:22,948 --> 00:46:25,346 WAVES BREAK 751 00:46:58,982 --> 00:47:00,942 I should've stayed. 752 00:47:04,461 --> 00:47:06,300 We should've talked. 753 00:47:10,779 --> 00:47:12,660 I'm sorry, Ma. 754 00:47:15,258 --> 00:47:19,019 ♪ Huna blentyn 755 00:47:19,059 --> 00:47:22,897 ♪ Ar fy mynwes 756 00:47:22,938 --> 00:47:26,937 ♪ Clyd a chynnes 757 00:47:26,977 --> 00:47:30,577 ♪ Ydyw hon 758 00:47:30,617 --> 00:47:34,775 ♪ Breichiau mam sy'n 759 00:47:34,815 --> 00:47:38,576 ♪ Dynn amdanat 760 00:47:38,616 --> 00:47:43,242 ♪ Cariad mam sy dan fy mron. ♪ 57690

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