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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,069 --> 00:00:13,069 -=Subtitles by Misiek666=- 2 00:00:13,092 --> 00:00:15,092 -=Podnapisi.net=- 3 00:01:52,093 --> 00:01:54,418 'Prime Minister Tony Blair has led political 4 00:01:54,442 --> 00:01:56,269 "tributes from a grateful nation...' 5 00:01:56,293 --> 00:01:57,829 'Hey, Dad! 6 00:01:57,853 --> 00:02:00,373 Morning, sunshine. You up? 'Up? I'm out and about!' 7 00:02:01,733 --> 00:02:04,498 Hm, pardon me, early riser. 8 00:02:04,522 --> 00:02:06,028 'What is it, Dad?' 9 00:02:06,051 --> 00:02:08,108 You said there was a match today. 10 00:02:08,132 --> 00:02:10,318 'Oh, yeah. Only a crappy school thing.' 11 00:02:10,342 --> 00:02:12,108 Oh, well, I wanna come. Where is it? 12 00:02:12,132 --> 00:02:14,498 'No, Dad, seriously, it's not that type of match. 13 00:02:14,522 --> 00:02:16,669 'No parents are gonna be there! 14 00:02:16,693 --> 00:02:18,492 You're wrong. I'll be there. 15 00:02:23,603 --> 00:02:25,777 "The Queen" s 80th birthday celebrations. 16 00:02:25,801 --> 00:02:28,492 'Her sense of duty and service, said Mr Blair...' 17 00:02:31,931 --> 00:02:33,242 We set? 18 00:02:38,372 --> 00:02:39,908 Boss. 19 00:02:39,932 --> 00:02:41,299 Morning. 20 00:02:41,323 --> 00:02:42,498 Steve. 21 00:02:42,522 --> 00:02:44,319 How's the report coming? ACPO are asking. 22 00:02:44,343 --> 00:02:46,269 Yeah, should be with you by the end of play today. 23 00:02:46,293 --> 00:02:47,668 Any nasty surprises? 24 00:02:47,692 --> 00:02:50,709 wish. It's gonna be a job for me to find something to do. 25 00:02:50,733 --> 00:02:52,163 have a hunch you'll manage. 26 00:02:55,372 --> 00:02:56,858 What's with the TV crew, Dave? 27 00:02:56,882 --> 00:02:59,012 Old news. 28 00:03:22,323 --> 00:03:23,853 Argh! 29 00:04:21,523 --> 00:04:23,499 Hey. What's up? 30 00:04:23,523 --> 00:04:26,108 'So, er, Jack just texted to say you're picking him up 31 00:04:26,132 --> 00:04:27,218 from the match. 32 00:04:27,242 --> 00:04:29,629 Yeah. Is there a problem? 33 00:04:29,653 --> 00:04:32,829 'Well, back a month and you're running the show. 34 00:04:32,853 --> 00:04:34,189 'Look, just... 35 00:04:34,213 --> 00:04:35,778 'Just make sure you're there" 36 00:04:35,802 --> 00:04:38,653 Fran, I'll be there. 37 00:04:43,322 --> 00:04:44,653 Go on, Jack. 38 00:04:55,322 --> 00:04:58,709 So, I was thinking, we could have a mid—week boys' night in. 39 00:04:58,733 --> 00:05:02,139 Take—away, DVD? 40 00:05:02,163 --> 00:05:03,709 I've cleared it with Mum. 41 00:05:03,733 --> 00:05:06,512 said I'd stay over at Ryan's. 42 00:05:06,536 --> 00:05:08,137 Can't you stay at Ryan's another night? 43 00:05:12,471 --> 00:05:15,247 was thinking, how about you spend one week with me, 44 00:05:15,271 --> 00:05:16,478 one week with your mum...? 45 00:05:16,502 --> 00:05:19,728 You know, that gives Mum and Mike some space, too. 46 00:05:19,752 --> 00:05:21,367 Did Mum ask you to do this? 47 00:05:21,391 --> 00:05:22,687 No! 48 00:05:22,711 --> 00:05:25,072 But she's fine about it, if you are. 49 00:05:27,471 --> 00:05:28,781 Can I think about it? 50 00:05:31,110 --> 00:05:33,557 Absolutely. Yeah. 51 00:05:33,581 --> 00:05:37,247 Look, go and stay at Ryan's tonight and we'll chat. 52 00:05:37,271 --> 00:05:38,661 Come here. 53 00:06:00,990 --> 00:06:03,327 'With so many recent successes nationwide 54 00:06:03,351 --> 00:06:07,648 'where DNA has played a key role in solving cold cases, 55 00:06:07,672 --> 00:06:09,836 'attention will inevitably turn to 56 00:06:09,860 --> 00:06:13,918 'unsolved murders in Wales, most notably the double murders 57 00:06:13,942 --> 00:06:16,398 'of Peter and Gwenda Dixon in Pembrokeshire. 58 00:06:16,422 --> 00:06:17,836 'Jonathan Hill reports.' 59 00:06:17,860 --> 00:06:21,048 'Over 17 years ago, the couple were blasted to death 60 00:06:21,072 --> 00:06:25,007 'with a shotgun by an unknown killer as they walked along here 61 00:06:25,031 --> 00:06:28,608 'at the Coastal Path in Little Haven in Pembrokeshire. 62 00:06:28,632 --> 00:06:30,528 'Despite a huge police investigation, 63 00:06:30,552 --> 00:06:32,327 'no—one was ever charged for the crime, 64 00:06:32,351 --> 00:06:35,966 'and the Dixon family's long wait for justice continues. 65 00:06:35,990 --> 00:06:38,247 'A lot of people have said they no longer feel comfortable 66 00:06:38,271 --> 00:06:39,661 'coming to this path any more. 67 00:06:40,831 --> 00:06:42,781 'They say it no longer feels the same. 68 00:06:45,110 --> 00:06:47,086 'We asked Dyfed Powys Police for a comment 69 00:06:47,110 --> 00:06:49,007 'but were told that no—one was available.' 70 00:06:49,031 --> 00:06:51,478 Old news? 71 00:06:51,502 --> 00:06:55,197 'Meanwhile, the identity of John and Gwenda Dixon's vicious killer 72 00:06:55,221 --> 00:06:56,581 'remains unknown.' 73 00:07:03,632 --> 00:07:04,911 How you settling in, Steve? 74 00:07:06,391 --> 00:07:07,391 It's like I never left. 75 00:07:08,502 --> 00:07:10,836 found only one area where we're exposed. 76 00:07:10,860 --> 00:07:13,398 No thorough forensic reviews of serious crimes. 77 00:07:13,422 --> 00:07:15,302 Most notably Coastal Path. 78 00:07:16,752 --> 00:07:18,031 You saw the news. 79 00:07:19,672 --> 00:07:22,192 Yeah. What's the story? 80 00:07:25,961 --> 00:07:29,367 The unlikelihood of finding anything new. 81 00:07:29,391 --> 00:07:31,687 The distress that would cause the Dixon family. 82 00:07:31,711 --> 00:07:34,528 And, if we failed, the delight the media would take 83 00:07:34,552 --> 00:07:36,447 in hauling us through the muck. 84 00:07:36,471 --> 00:07:39,117 A few years back, they branded us "institutionally incompetent”, 85 00:07:39,141 --> 00:07:40,141 and it stuck. 86 00:07:42,422 --> 00:07:45,966 Well, it's about time we did something about that. 87 00:07:45,990 --> 00:07:48,807 I'd like to take a look at Coastal Path, see if there's anything there. 88 00:07:48,831 --> 00:07:50,288 That OK with you? 89 00:07:50,312 --> 00:07:51,711 You don't need my permission. 90 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,398 DCI George Jones was SIO on it. Is he still about? 91 00:07:56,422 --> 00:08:00,221 Yeah, he is. But, Steve, go easy on the old bloke. 92 00:08:21,781 --> 00:08:23,687 Thank you for seeing me, sir. 93 00:08:23,711 --> 00:08:24,966 A police dog found them. 94 00:08:24,990 --> 00:08:27,302 Six days after they were reported missing. 95 00:08:29,192 --> 00:08:31,351 The maggots gave us the time of death. 96 00:08:32,672 --> 00:08:36,607 After he murdered them, the attacker stole Peter Dixon's wallet 97 00:08:36,631 --> 00:08:38,607 and wedding ring. 98 00:08:38,631 --> 00:08:40,966 It's not much of a reason to end two lives, is it? 99 00:08:40,990 --> 00:08:43,278 Gwenda Dixon was sexually assaulted 100 00:08:43,302 --> 00:08:46,086 with her husband lying dead not six feet away. 101 00:08:46,110 --> 00:08:48,086 He was a sick, sadistic bastard. 102 00:08:48,110 --> 00:08:49,931 He didn't need a reason. 103 00:08:53,351 --> 00:08:54,751 We did the best we could. 104 00:09:00,302 --> 00:09:01,831 won't be made a scapegoat. 105 00:09:03,392 --> 00:09:04,660 That's not why I'm here, sir. 106 00:09:09,660 --> 00:09:12,248 So, four days after the murders, a man walked into 107 00:09:12,272 --> 00:09:16,628 Pembroke Bespoke Jewellers and sold a 22—carat gold band. 108 00:09:16,652 --> 00:09:20,447 The band matched the description of Peter Dixon's stolen wedding ring. 109 00:09:20,471 --> 00:09:23,327 ( And the seller of the ring had signed the receipt ) Cooper. 110 00:09:23,351 --> 00:09:26,168 Now, on the basis of this information, 111 00:09:26,192 --> 00:09:28,631 one of your team, a DC Dylan Rees? 112 00:09:30,030 --> 00:09:34,990 He questioned a John William Cooper of 28 Rose Meadow Lane, Birchmede. 113 00:09:36,422 --> 00:09:37,886 Cooper said that the ring was his own 114 00:09:37,911 --> 00:09:39,727 and that he sold it because he needed the cash, 115 00:09:39,751 --> 00:09:42,006 and then his wife confirmed the story. 116 00:09:42,030 --> 00:09:44,142 And then no further action was taken. 117 00:09:45,751 --> 00:09:48,918 I'm curious to hear your view on this. 118 00:09:48,942 --> 00:09:51,687 sent a DC to do a DCl's job. 119 00:09:51,711 --> 00:09:54,648 should've questioned Cooper myself, but we... 120 00:09:54,672 --> 00:09:56,110 we were swamped. 121 00:09:57,192 --> 00:10:00,006 After the case was closed, learnt that Rees 122 00:10:00,030 --> 00:10:02,751 drank in the same pub as Cooper, together. 123 00:10:03,751 --> 00:10:06,447 My view is that Cooper... 124 00:10:06,471 --> 00:10:09,197 used the fact they knew each other. 125 00:10:09,221 --> 00:10:10,807 That Rees... 126 00:10:10,831 --> 00:10:12,272 was manipulated. 127 00:10:14,552 --> 00:10:17,086 Where's Cooper now? Dyffryn Prison. 128 00:10:17,110 --> 00:10:20,351 He was sentenced to 16 years in 1998 for a string of, er... 129 00:10:21,351 --> 00:10:22,966 burglaries and robberies. 130 00:10:22,990 --> 00:10:26,248 The investigation was codenamed Huntsman. 131 00:10:26,272 --> 00:10:29,528 They interviewed Cooper, but didn't get anything. 132 00:10:29,552 --> 00:10:33,634 16 years in 1998... 133 00:10:33,658 --> 00:10:35,817 If he's behaved himself, he'll be up for parole. 134 00:10:41,567 --> 00:10:44,832 Where it happened is just below Talbenny church. 135 00:10:44,856 --> 00:10:47,748 The spot is marked by a plaque. 136 00:10:49,548 --> 00:10:52,106 The Dixons' son and daughter leave a wreath every year. 137 00:11:58,628 --> 00:12:00,388 You found us, then. 138 00:12:01,777 --> 00:12:04,384 So, you're doing a bit of digging on John William Cooper? 139 00:12:04,408 --> 00:12:05,982 I am. 140 00:12:06,006 --> 00:12:08,126 Let's hope you have better luck than we did. 141 00:12:14,347 --> 00:12:17,033 Operation Huntsman. 142 00:12:17,057 --> 00:12:18,553 This was us. 143 00:12:18,577 --> 00:12:20,832 There's a few odds and sods stored elsewhere, 144 00:12:20,856 --> 00:12:24,524 but most of this was confiscated from Cooper's home. 145 00:12:24,548 --> 00:12:25,937 The place was a pigsty. 146 00:12:28,138 --> 00:12:31,394 You arrested him for a string of burglaries and robberies, 147 00:12:31,418 --> 00:12:34,474 but you also questioned him about the murders at Coastal Path. 148 00:12:34,498 --> 00:12:36,683 Why? His MO, sir. 149 00:12:36,707 --> 00:12:39,803 We did him for a robbery that was a carbon copy of the Coastal Path. 150 00:12:39,827 --> 00:12:42,244 Robbery, tied—up victim, a shotgun. 151 00:12:42,268 --> 00:12:44,548 That's why we also questioned him about Scoveston Park. 152 00:12:46,856 --> 00:12:48,724 20 years ago, Scoveston Park? 153 00:12:48,748 --> 00:12:51,217 21 years ago now. December, '85. 154 00:12:52,347 --> 00:12:55,106 Theft, arson and double murder. 155 00:12:57,298 --> 00:12:59,769 Brother and sister. Richard and Helen Thomas. 156 00:13:01,279 --> 00:13:04,046 The difference was that the killer resorted to arson 157 00:13:04,070 --> 00:13:05,929 to cover his tracks. He started a fire. 158 00:13:07,340 --> 00:13:09,825 He completely destroyed the place. 159 00:13:09,849 --> 00:13:11,716 Tough on evidence gathering. 160 00:13:11,740 --> 00:13:14,019 Yeah. And even tougher on forensics. 161 00:13:15,570 --> 00:13:17,745 Did Cooper tell you anything in the interviews? 162 00:13:17,769 --> 00:13:20,385 Nothing. When we mentioned the murders, he just shut down. 163 00:13:20,409 --> 00:13:22,275 We had to move on. 164 00:13:22,299 --> 00:13:23,625 With all the lesser of fences, 165 00:13:23,649 --> 00:13:27,105 we found almost every single stolen item in his home. 166 00:13:27,129 --> 00:13:28,929 You charge them with what you can prove. 167 00:13:30,849 --> 00:13:32,676 Did you speak to the family? We did. 168 00:13:32,700 --> 00:13:34,546 Yeah, the wife gave us nothing. 169 00:13:34,570 --> 00:13:36,745 She was more frightened of him than us. 170 00:13:36,769 --> 00:13:38,716 The son was useful. 171 00:13:38,740 --> 00:13:40,436 Yeah, he hated his dad, though. 172 00:13:40,460 --> 00:13:42,129 He wanted nothing to do with him. 173 00:13:44,179 --> 00:13:47,155 'The reason your Disability Allowance payment has been delayed 174 00:13:47,179 --> 00:13:48,995 'is because you changed your first name.' 175 00:13:49,019 --> 00:13:51,436 Yeah, eight years ago, by statutory declaration. 176 00:13:51,460 --> 00:13:53,796 gave you people a copy of the certificate! 177 00:13:53,820 --> 00:13:55,235 Look... 178 00:13:55,259 --> 00:13:56,696 I've had enough of this. 179 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,536 Can you get a manager on the line, please? 180 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,186 'I'm not authorised to do that, sir. 181 00:14:01,210 --> 00:14:03,596 'What's your first name, Mr Cooper?' Andrew. 182 00:14:03,620 --> 00:14:05,566 Not Adrian, Andrew. 183 00:14:05,590 --> 00:14:07,235 Andrew Cooper. 184 00:14:07,259 --> 00:14:08,385 And... 185 00:14:08,409 --> 00:14:10,316 don't talk to me like I'm an idiot. 186 00:14:10,340 --> 00:14:12,460 'Hold the line, please, sir.' No, please don't... 187 00:14:13,570 --> 00:14:17,049 'Please continue to hold. Your call is important to us.' 188 00:14:32,015 --> 00:14:33,985 Hi, Dad. Oh, hello! 189 00:14:35,586 --> 00:14:36,682 Laundry. 190 00:14:36,706 --> 00:14:40,481 The machine at the salon's on the blink and you're closer than Mum's. 191 00:14:40,505 --> 00:14:41,815 Well... 192 00:14:43,065 --> 00:14:44,664 good to know I'm useful for something. 193 00:15:10,025 --> 00:15:11,385 Payment. 194 00:15:13,546 --> 00:15:15,442 "Maximum hold." 195 00:15:15,466 --> 00:15:17,241 Thank you, love. 196 00:15:17,265 --> 00:15:19,432 The place is looking nice now. 197 00:15:19,456 --> 00:15:20,870 Very tidy. 198 00:15:20,894 --> 00:15:23,235 It'll do, until I find something a bit more permanent. 199 00:15:24,275 --> 00:15:27,211 Do you want to stay, have a bite to eat? 200 00:15:27,235 --> 00:15:28,412 Sorry. 201 00:15:28,436 --> 00:15:29,850 Late for the cinema. 202 00:15:29,875 --> 00:15:31,436 OK, love, enjoy yourself. 203 00:15:36,436 --> 00:15:38,772 Jack's really chuffed that you're back. 204 00:15:38,796 --> 00:15:40,162 Is he? 205 00:15:40,186 --> 00:15:41,955 Don't try too hard. 206 00:15:42,995 --> 00:15:44,875 Just give him a bit of time. 207 00:15:45,905 --> 00:15:48,051 Right, OK. 208 00:15:48,075 --> 00:15:50,211 I'll pick up the stuff tomorrow. 209 00:15:50,235 --> 00:15:51,265 Hey... 210 00:15:52,385 --> 00:15:54,162 When did you become so mature? 211 00:15:54,186 --> 00:15:56,642 Ages ago. 212 00:15:56,665 --> 00:15:58,316 I'm a girl. 213 00:16:25,515 --> 00:16:28,051 John William Cooper. Do you know him? 214 00:16:28,075 --> 00:16:31,361 Yeah, I've heard of him. And Operation Huntsman, obviously. 215 00:16:31,385 --> 00:16:34,211 What would you say if I told you his offending kit for the robberies 216 00:16:34,235 --> 00:16:36,572 was black gloves, balaclava and shotgun? 217 00:16:36,596 --> 00:16:38,515 I'd say Nolton Hill Estate. 218 00:16:41,875 --> 00:16:43,381 The shotgun he used, 219 00:16:43,405 --> 00:16:46,850 recovered from a robbery gone wrong in the village of Sardis. 220 00:16:46,875 --> 00:16:49,611 It was the customised shoulder strap which got my attention. 221 00:16:49,635 --> 00:16:51,265 Sawn-off, modified stock. 222 00:16:52,385 --> 00:16:53,642 Jesus, Steve, is it him? 223 00:16:53,665 --> 00:16:55,412 Him who? 224 00:16:55,436 --> 00:16:57,131 What's going on? 225 00:16:57,155 --> 00:16:59,155 Do you remember Nolton Hill? 226 00:17:00,385 --> 00:17:02,772 Ten years ago. A few months before I left. 227 00:17:02,796 --> 00:17:05,442 A masked man with a shotgun attacked five teenagers 228 00:17:05,465 --> 00:17:06,771 near the Nolton Hill Estate. 229 00:17:06,796 --> 00:17:09,571 One of the girls was raped. Another sexually assaulted. 230 00:17:09,596 --> 00:17:11,771 It was never solved. remember. 231 00:17:11,796 --> 00:17:13,721 DI Richards and myself were called in to assist. 232 00:17:13,744 --> 00:17:16,050 The two boys knew about guns. 233 00:17:16,075 --> 00:17:17,692 Yeah, they used to do a bit of rabbiting. 234 00:17:17,715 --> 00:17:20,971 Their description of the shotgun that the attacker used 235 00:17:20,994 --> 00:17:22,412 exactly matched that gun. 236 00:17:22,435 --> 00:17:24,491 Hang on. Back up a bit, Steve. 237 00:17:24,516 --> 00:17:26,642 The last I heard, you were looking at Coastal Path. 238 00:17:26,665 --> 00:17:28,001 was. 239 00:17:28,026 --> 00:17:29,236 I am. 240 00:17:30,516 --> 00:17:31,905 And that led me to this. 241 00:17:34,155 --> 00:17:36,332 'I'll ask you again, John, 242 00:17:36,355 --> 00:17:39,050 'regarding the murders of Peter and Gwenda Dixon 243 00:17:39,075 --> 00:17:42,612 'on the morning of Thursday 29th June, 1989, 244 00:17:42,635 --> 00:17:44,266 'were you the person responsible? 245 00:17:45,316 --> 00:17:47,882 'I am not a murderer.' 246 00:17:47,905 --> 00:17:50,050 Strong accent. South Pembrokeshire. 247 00:17:50,075 --> 00:17:51,332 Watch this... 248 00:17:51,355 --> 00:17:53,931 'John, what about Scoveston Park? 249 00:17:53,954 --> 00:17:57,001 'We have witnesses who say that you knew Richard and Helen Thomas. 250 00:17:57,026 --> 00:17:59,442 'My client is exercising his right to silence. 251 00:17:59,465 --> 00:18:01,596 'John... Come on, John, don't be like that. 252 00:18:03,635 --> 00:18:04,692 'John. 253 00:18:04,715 --> 00:18:05,825 "John!” 254 00:18:06,974 --> 00:18:08,511 Steve... 255 00:18:08,536 --> 00:18:11,162 ever since Huntsman, gossip has put Cooper in the frame 256 00:18:11,185 --> 00:18:13,612 for 101 of fences. I'm talking about just three. 257 00:18:13,635 --> 00:18:17,266 Coastal Path, Scoveston Park, Nolton Hill. 258 00:18:19,665 --> 00:18:21,796 think he did them all. 259 00:18:54,644 --> 00:18:56,523 Not now, Jack. 260 00:19:02,644 --> 00:19:03,932 Here they come. 261 00:19:06,722 --> 00:19:09,309 How did Operation Huntsman miss all this? 262 00:19:09,334 --> 00:19:10,549 They didn't, ma'am. 263 00:19:10,574 --> 00:19:12,699 They questioned Cooper on all three cases 264 00:19:12,722 --> 00:19:14,589 and he just stayed mute. 265 00:19:14,614 --> 00:19:18,053 Plus, as I touched on earlier, there was no hard evidence. 266 00:19:19,084 --> 00:19:20,949 Where's your hard evidence, Steve? 267 00:19:20,972 --> 00:19:23,778 It's waiting for us to find, ma'am. 268 00:19:23,803 --> 00:19:26,390 Thanks to Huntsman and the original investigations, 269 00:19:26,413 --> 00:19:29,750 we have access to over 3,000 exhibits in storage. 270 00:19:29,773 --> 00:19:33,390 That's a potential treasure trove of victim and perpetrator DNA. 271 00:19:33,413 --> 00:19:34,828 At the time of Huntsman, 272 00:19:34,853 --> 00:19:37,390 the science wasn't up to scratch on age—degraded trace DNA. 273 00:19:37,413 --> 00:19:39,614 But as we know, things have come a long way since. 274 00:19:41,163 --> 00:19:42,949 Say you get enough to charge him. 275 00:19:42,972 --> 00:19:46,619 Charging a man with the murders of four adults is clear, simple. 276 00:19:46,644 --> 00:19:50,028 But you add five minors, rape, sexual assault, 277 00:19:50,052 --> 00:19:52,059 the Crown's case could seem muddled. 278 00:19:52,084 --> 00:19:54,470 The CPS won't like that. 279 00:19:54,493 --> 00:19:57,670 Perhaps it would be wiser to confine the review to the two murders. 280 00:19:57,693 --> 00:20:01,909 With respect, ma"am, I interviewed the five victims as a WDC. 281 00:20:01,932 --> 00:20:04,949 And it made quite an impression on me. 282 00:20:04,972 --> 00:20:07,390 So much so, I've kept tabs on them over the years. 283 00:20:07,413 --> 00:20:09,750 Now, some are doing better than others, but... 284 00:20:09,773 --> 00:20:12,470 all of them have been scarred for life. 285 00:20:12,493 --> 00:20:14,828 They had their childhood stolen from them that night. 286 00:20:14,853 --> 00:20:17,859 They deserve another chance at justice. 287 00:20:17,884 --> 00:20:20,140 As do all the victims and their families. 288 00:20:20,163 --> 00:20:22,140 All I'm saying is, if you try to prove too much, 289 00:20:22,163 --> 00:20:24,390 you could lose everything. 290 00:20:24,413 --> 00:20:28,670 The killings at Scoveston Park and Coastal Path are like two bricks. 291 00:20:28,693 --> 00:20:32,220 And the attacks on the kids is the mortar that holds them together. 292 00:20:32,243 --> 00:20:34,778 It has elements of both cases. 293 00:20:34,802 --> 00:20:36,699 And, ma'am, erm... 294 00:20:36,722 --> 00:20:38,220 what are the odds that of fences, 295 00:20:38,243 --> 00:20:41,309 which share so much similar fact evidence, 296 00:20:41,334 --> 00:20:44,722 in such a small area, were committed by more than one man? 297 00:20:47,932 --> 00:20:51,339 You know, if we reinvestigate and it doesn't go our way, 298 00:20:51,364 --> 00:20:55,750 the media, the public, the families, they'll crucify us. 299 00:20:55,773 --> 00:20:57,884 And if we don't go ahead, it could be far worse. 300 00:20:59,003 --> 00:21:00,390 We've put a call into MAPPA. 301 00:21:00,413 --> 00:21:02,670 A date's been set for his parole hearing. 302 00:21:02,693 --> 00:21:04,390 He could be out in three months. 303 00:21:04,413 --> 00:21:06,589 If he did do these murders, 304 00:21:06,614 --> 00:21:08,853 he is, by definition, a serial killer. 305 00:21:09,884 --> 00:21:13,589 And given the opportunity, men like him... 306 00:21:13,614 --> 00:21:15,284 they always kill again. 307 00:21:28,523 --> 00:21:29,932 Next. 308 00:21:54,493 --> 00:21:57,773 The next time you visit, make an effort, will you? 309 00:21:59,853 --> 00:22:02,259 You look like an old woman. 310 00:22:02,284 --> 00:22:04,109 Adrian's back. 311 00:22:04,134 --> 00:22:05,339 What? 312 00:22:05,364 --> 00:22:07,230 saw Shirley from Birchmede. 313 00:22:07,253 --> 00:22:10,109 Her daughter's a receptionist in the hospital. 314 00:22:10,134 --> 00:22:12,470 Apparently, he was walking with a stick. 315 00:22:12,493 --> 00:22:13,859 A stick? 316 00:22:13,884 --> 00:22:16,390 Well, that's gotta be a scam. Well, that's what she said. 317 00:22:16,413 --> 00:22:18,390 Anyway, Adrian wasn't like that. 318 00:22:18,413 --> 00:22:19,828 He was a worker. 319 00:22:19,853 --> 00:22:21,670 What, you're defending him now, are you, hm? 320 00:22:21,693 --> 00:22:23,972 He's dead to us. 321 00:22:38,523 --> 00:22:41,140 Sorry, Andrew. Did I hurt you? 322 00:22:41,163 --> 00:22:42,932 It wasn't you. 323 00:22:44,134 --> 00:22:46,693 It's all right, just relax, I've got you. 324 00:23:18,163 --> 00:23:20,339 28 Rose Meadow Lane. 325 00:23:20,364 --> 00:23:22,644 Cooper's last home before he went inside. 326 00:23:24,053 --> 00:23:26,309 Walk in any direction from this point 327 00:23:26,334 --> 00:23:29,589 and you'll hit a home he targeted between '83 and '96. 328 00:23:29,614 --> 00:23:31,259 It's the hub of the wheel. 329 00:23:31,284 --> 00:23:33,028 In this tiny area, 330 00:23:33,052 --> 00:23:36,500 34 burglaries and robberies, one rape of a minor, 331 00:23:36,523 --> 00:23:38,284 one indecent assault of a minor... 332 00:23:39,364 --> 00:23:40,574 and two murders. 333 00:23:43,413 --> 00:23:45,003 If walls could talk. 334 00:23:52,134 --> 00:23:53,909 Been back since? 335 00:23:53,932 --> 00:23:55,853 A few times to see how the kids were doing. 336 00:24:01,773 --> 00:24:05,109 So, I was thinking a start—up team of six, including us, 337 00:24:05,134 --> 00:24:06,390 cherry—picked from division. 338 00:24:06,413 --> 00:24:09,230 That way, we can keep things covert 339 00:24:09,253 --> 00:24:10,778 and it should be easier on our budget. 340 00:24:10,803 --> 00:24:12,574 Mm, sounds like a plan. 341 00:24:13,932 --> 00:24:16,140 really appreciate you bringing me in on this, Steve. 342 00:24:16,163 --> 00:24:18,699 Your reputation brought you in. 343 00:24:18,722 --> 00:24:21,190 WDC to DI in ten years. 344 00:24:21,213 --> 00:24:23,230 Says Mr DS to Superintendent. 345 00:24:23,253 --> 00:24:24,699 London. 346 00:24:24,722 --> 00:24:26,364 The worst years of my life. 347 00:24:29,773 --> 00:24:32,163 Yeah, I was sorry to hear about you and your missus. 348 00:24:33,253 --> 00:24:34,932 It is what it is. 349 00:24:51,802 --> 00:24:53,932 They were so close to home when he attacked them. 350 00:24:55,693 --> 00:24:57,574 It looks so bloody ordinary. 351 00:25:02,084 --> 00:25:04,213 To Operation Ottawa. 352 00:25:07,644 --> 00:25:08,853 To Operation Ottawa. 353 00:26:11,571 --> 00:26:12,701 It's all right. 354 00:26:14,011 --> 00:26:15,988 This is home. 355 00:26:16,011 --> 00:26:17,907 The first rule of Operation Ottawa 356 00:26:17,932 --> 00:26:20,627 is you do not talk about Operation Ottawa. 357 00:26:20,652 --> 00:26:22,827 The second rule of Operation Ottawa is...? 358 00:26:22,852 --> 00:26:24,540 You do not talk about Operation Ottawa. 359 00:26:25,652 --> 00:26:27,907 It's from Fight Club. It's a film. 360 00:26:27,932 --> 00:26:30,827 Thank you, Barry Norman. 361 00:26:30,852 --> 00:26:35,238 We don't say a word to friends, colleagues or family. 362 00:26:35,261 --> 00:26:37,708 Yeah, they'll get narky with us, but it's the way it has to be. 363 00:26:37,731 --> 00:26:40,708 We don't want Cooper, or the media, seeing us coming. 364 00:26:40,731 --> 00:26:42,238 Boss... 365 00:26:42,261 --> 00:26:44,988 Cold cases are 99% forensics. 366 00:26:45,011 --> 00:26:47,396 So, we need to do everything we can 367 00:26:47,421 --> 00:26:51,627 to help the scientists find that DNA golden nugget, 368 00:26:51,652 --> 00:26:56,346 the DNA hit that unites culprit and victim in the same time and place. 369 00:26:56,371 --> 00:26:57,627 Now, our forensics 370 00:26:57,652 --> 00:27:00,708 mustn't be tainted by any of the work that's gone before. 371 00:27:00,731 --> 00:27:04,157 Previous investigations had all their testing done in—house 372 00:27:04,182 --> 00:27:06,067 by the Forensic Science Service. 373 00:27:06,092 --> 00:27:08,317 But the science has moved on. 374 00:27:08,342 --> 00:27:10,517 We need a fresh pair of eyes on this. 375 00:27:10,540 --> 00:27:11,652 Angela Gallop. 376 00:27:13,290 --> 00:27:14,877 She has been involved in 377 00:27:14,902 --> 00:27:17,117 some of the highest profile cases of the last ten years. 378 00:27:17,142 --> 00:27:21,157 Lynette White, Stephen Lawrence, Damilola Taylor. 379 00:27:21,182 --> 00:27:23,346 Dr Gallop and her team are the best in the business. 380 00:27:23,371 --> 00:27:25,117 But they can only find what they're looking for 381 00:27:25,142 --> 00:27:27,596 if they look in the right place. And that's where we come in. 382 00:27:27,621 --> 00:27:29,596 We need to identify which items of evidence 383 00:27:29,621 --> 00:27:34,038 are most likely to carry Cooper and/or victim DNA in whatever form. 384 00:27:34,061 --> 00:27:36,677 Skin, hair, saliva, semen, blood. 385 00:27:36,701 --> 00:27:38,467 Now, in an ideal world, there'd be no limit 386 00:27:38,490 --> 00:27:40,627 to the amount of exhibits we could send for analysis. 387 00:27:40,652 --> 00:27:42,157 But... 388 00:27:42,182 --> 00:27:43,627 forensic work is not cheap. 389 00:27:43,652 --> 00:27:46,467 And our budget is finite. 390 00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:48,907 In short, whatever we send 391 00:27:48,932 --> 00:27:50,652 needs to be chosen very fucking carefully. 392 00:27:56,731 --> 00:27:58,267 'Our first case tonight 393 00:27:58,290 --> 00:28:00,907 s an extraordinary double murder in South Wales. 394 00:28:00,932 --> 00:28:03,428 On the evening of 22nd December, 1985, 395 00:28:03,451 --> 00:28:05,988 Richard Thomas and his sister, Helen Thomas, 396 00:28:06,011 --> 00:28:07,827 were attacked in their home 397 00:28:07,852 --> 00:28:09,827 at Scoveston Park, three miles outside Milford. 398 00:28:09,852 --> 00:28:11,627 'She was shot, probably in her bedroom. 399 00:28:11,652 --> 00:28:13,627 'And it was in that room at about ten o'clock 400 00:28:13,652 --> 00:28:15,346 'that the fire was started. 401 00:28:15,371 --> 00:28:19,038 'Richard Thomas died of shotgun wounds 10 the stomach and the head! 402 00:28:19,061 --> 00:28:23,467 Emergency services were called at 1:15am on 23rd of December. 403 00:28:23,490 --> 00:28:26,517 Scene of Crime Officers entered the property the following morning 404 00:28:26,540 --> 00:28:28,038 and found Helen Thomas' body on a bed. 405 00:28:28,061 --> 00:28:29,788 It's believed she was sexually assaulted. 406 00:28:29,811 --> 00:28:32,346 On the morning of June 29th, 1989, 407 00:28:32,371 --> 00:28:36,958 Peter and Gwenda Dixon were murdered on the Pembrokeshire Coastal Path 408 00:28:36,981 --> 00:28:38,267 near Little Haven. 409 00:28:38,290 --> 00:28:41,317 The couple from Oxford decided to take a short walk 410 00:28:41,342 --> 00:28:43,517 while they waited for their tent to dry. 411 00:28:43,540 --> 00:28:46,677 'Their bodies were found six days later on the cliffs at Little Haven. 412 00:28:46,701 --> 00:28:50,238 'Now, one of Wales' most spectacular beauty spots...' 413 00:28:50,261 --> 00:28:55,758 Between 7:45pm and 8:45pm on Wednesday 6th March, 1996, 414 00:28:55,781 --> 00:29:00,708 five children, aged between 15 and 16, were attacked in a field 415 00:29:00,731 --> 00:29:02,117 next to the Norton Hill Estate. 416 00:29:02,142 --> 00:29:05,117 On the evening of November 22nd, 1996, 417 00:29:05,142 --> 00:29:09,067 a bungalow in Sardis, six miles from Milford, was burgled. 418 00:29:09,092 --> 00:29:12,827 The victim was confronted by a man in a balaclava. 419 00:29:12,852 --> 00:29:14,346 They were approached by a masked man. 420 00:29:14,371 --> 00:29:16,627 The children were threatened, told to lie on the ground. 421 00:29:16,652 --> 00:29:19,627 One of the girls was raped, another indecently assaulted. 422 00:29:19,652 --> 00:29:23,157 The victim managed to press a panic alarm, causing the offender to flee, 423 00:29:23,182 --> 00:29:25,117 depositing personal items as he ran. 424 00:29:25,142 --> 00:29:29,596 These included stolen jewellery, items of clothing, a balaclava, 425 00:29:29,621 --> 00:29:33,238 some black gloves and his double—barrel shotgun. 426 00:29:33,261 --> 00:29:35,427 One of the boys was struck in the head 427 00:29:35,451 --> 00:29:37,677 with a sawn—off double—barrel shotgun. 428 00:29:37,701 --> 00:29:41,907 Then husband and wife were shot at point—blank range. 429 00:29:41,932 --> 00:29:45,427 Forensic evidence suggests Gwenda Dixon was sexually assaulted 430 00:29:45,451 --> 00:29:47,238 at this location here. 431 00:29:47,261 --> 00:29:49,907 Most of the evidence was destroyed in the fire. 432 00:29:49,932 --> 00:29:52,907 They did manage to retrieve a sock belonging to Mr Thomas 433 00:29:52,932 --> 00:29:54,907 and a few other items, but that's it. 434 00:29:54,932 --> 00:29:57,142 No DNA would have survived a fire like that. No. 435 00:29:58,182 --> 00:30:00,467 Just save our money for items more likely to yield a hit. 436 00:30:00,490 --> 00:30:02,238 Coastal Path, Nolton Hill. 437 00:30:02,261 --> 00:30:03,517 Agreed. 438 00:30:03,540 --> 00:30:05,877 But we still need to recover any Scoveston Park exhibits 439 00:30:05,902 --> 00:30:08,182 that would support our take on his MO. 440 00:30:09,261 --> 00:30:10,517 Exactly. 441 00:30:10,540 --> 00:30:11,788 Tied—up victims. 442 00:30:11,811 --> 00:30:14,238 The rope used to bind Helen Thomas' hands. 443 00:30:14,261 --> 00:30:16,877 Helen Thomas' bra was torn. 444 00:30:16,902 --> 00:30:18,731 That's sexual assault. 445 00:30:38,142 --> 00:30:40,061 Er, clothing. Yeah. 446 00:30:42,902 --> 00:30:44,157 Nolton Hill rainbow T—shirt. 447 00:30:44,182 --> 00:30:45,798 Give me ten patch tests 448 00:30:45,822 --> 00:30:48,188 on that, corresponding with the victim's bruising. 449 00:30:48,211 --> 00:30:49,346 Yeah. 450 00:30:49,371 --> 00:30:51,517 Coastal Path rope. 451 00:30:51,540 --> 00:30:53,346 'Despite a massive search 452 00:30:53,371 --> 00:30:55,548 'for a suspect seen using the Dixons' cash card... 453 00:30:55,572 --> 00:30:58,038 Peter Dixon's bank card was used to withdraw cash 454 00:30:58,061 --> 00:31:00,517 from NatWest cashpoint machines 455 00:31:00,540 --> 00:31:03,627 at Pembroke, Haverfordwest and Carmarthen. 456 00:31:03,652 --> 00:31:05,208 A man wearing shorts 457 00:31:05,231 --> 00:31:07,928 was seen by a member of the public making one of these withdrawals. 458 00:31:07,951 --> 00:31:11,672 'From this siting, police made this artist's impression.' 459 00:31:17,672 --> 00:31:21,897 [(Exhibit reference number MT])/14, black balaclava. 460 00:31:21,922 --> 00:31:24,832 Exhibit reference PH/2, double—barrel shotgun. 461 00:31:26,112 --> 00:31:27,592 The Sardis gun, yeah? Yeah. 462 00:31:28,672 --> 00:31:31,616 12 patches tested. Six on the barrel, six on the stock. 463 00:31:31,641 --> 00:31:36,337 In total, officers recovered 66 items in a fairly straight line 464 00:31:36,362 --> 00:31:41,112 from the bungalow in Sardis to 28 Rose Meadow Lane. 465 00:31:42,672 --> 00:31:45,162 The home of John William Cooper. 466 00:32:01,310 --> 00:32:02,310 Dad? 467 00:32:03,391 --> 00:32:04,560 Hiya, Jack! 468 00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:09,928 Have I come at a bad time? No, no, of course not. 469 00:32:09,951 --> 00:32:11,057 Well... 470 00:32:11,082 --> 00:32:13,031 let the male bonding commence. 471 00:32:14,281 --> 00:32:16,487 Does your mother know you're here? 472 00:32:16,510 --> 00:32:20,208 Yeah. You don't need to check, Dad, she knows. 473 00:32:20,231 --> 00:32:24,487 You two haven't had a fight, by any chance? Nothing major. 474 00:32:24,510 --> 00:32:25,897 All right. 475 00:32:25,922 --> 00:32:26,922 OK. 476 00:32:28,441 --> 00:32:30,951 Well, you know where it is. Go and unpack. 477 00:32:47,391 --> 00:32:49,567 'Morning.' Yeah, Steve. 478 00:32:49,592 --> 00:32:51,616 You need to re—route to HQ. 479 00:32:51,641 --> 00:32:53,872 We've got a fly in the ointment. 480 00:33:06,721 --> 00:33:08,178 Morning. 481 00:33:08,201 --> 00:33:09,847 Jonathan Hill for Steve Wilkins. 482 00:33:09,872 --> 00:33:11,471 Just a moment. Thank you. 483 00:33:25,672 --> 00:33:27,178 Mr Hill. 484 00:33:27,201 --> 00:33:30,471 Detective Superintendent Steve Wilkins, Deputy Head of CID. 485 00:33:31,672 --> 00:33:33,698 Comms referred your query to me. 486 00:33:33,721 --> 00:33:35,567 understand you want to make a programme 487 00:33:35,592 --> 00:33:37,391 about the Coastal Path murders. 488 00:33:38,391 --> 00:33:41,487 Erm, actually, it's a bit more specific than that. 489 00:33:41,510 --> 00:33:43,177 Erm, I would like to make a documentary 490 00:33:43,201 --> 00:33:46,137 exploring the possibility that... 491 00:33:46,162 --> 00:33:47,927 the double murders at Coastal Path 492 00:33:47,951 --> 00:33:50,721 might be linked to the ones at Scoveston Park in 1985. 493 00:33:52,001 --> 00:33:53,832 That would be a problem for us. 494 00:33:55,001 --> 00:33:56,567 How do you mean? 495 00:33:56,592 --> 00:33:59,281 Mr Hill, what I'm about to tell you cannot leave this room. 496 00:34:02,281 --> 00:34:05,201 I'm not in the habit of agreeing to things before I know what they are. 497 00:34:06,922 --> 00:34:09,592 We are re—investigating the two of fences. 498 00:34:12,510 --> 00:34:14,927 Right, and how would a documentary about the murders 499 00:34:14,952 --> 00:34:16,416 interfere with that? 500 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,818 The killer, or killers, think they've got away with murder. 501 00:34:19,842 --> 00:34:22,177 A news piece would rattle them, make them vigilant. 502 00:34:22,202 --> 00:34:25,561 And that would be weeks of covert police work down the toilet. 503 00:34:26,561 --> 00:34:27,898 So... 504 00:34:27,922 --> 00:34:29,648 I'll tell you what. 505 00:34:29,672 --> 00:34:31,818 If you agree to shelve your proposed documentary, 506 00:34:31,842 --> 00:34:34,128 maintain a news blackout, 507 00:34:34,152 --> 00:34:36,416 when we're ready to go public, 508 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,231 will see to it that you get the exclusive. 509 00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:44,722 OK. 510 00:34:45,842 --> 00:34:46,922 OK, it's a deal. 511 00:34:50,032 --> 00:34:51,697 want Dyfed Powys Police 512 00:34:51,722 --> 00:34:55,286 and the media to stop fighting and start collaborating. 513 00:34:55,311 --> 00:34:56,797 But... 514 00:34:56,822 --> 00:34:58,987 if you fuck me on this, 515 00:34:59,012 --> 00:35:03,237 will see to it that every officer from CID to peach—fuzz PC 516 00:35:03,262 --> 00:35:05,672 knows that Jonathan Hill is not a man to be trusted. 517 00:35:13,490 --> 00:35:14,702 Boss... 518 00:35:18,012 --> 00:35:19,827 What the fuck are those? 519 00:35:19,851 --> 00:35:21,597 Professional portrait photos. 520 00:35:21,621 --> 00:35:23,797 They had them done in 1978 521 00:35:23,822 --> 00:35:26,012 after he won all that money on the Spot The Ball. 522 00:35:29,181 --> 00:35:30,547 Those teeth don't look real. 523 00:35:30,572 --> 00:35:33,427 They're the only two photographs Huntsman found in the whole house. 524 00:35:33,451 --> 00:35:35,577 I've done a lot of evidence recovery in my time. 525 00:35:35,601 --> 00:35:37,197 Two photos in a family home? 526 00:35:37,222 --> 00:35:39,077 It's not right. Mm. 527 00:35:39,101 --> 00:35:41,862 Together, but apart. And their son nowhere to be seen. 528 00:35:59,974 --> 00:36:02,751 You've been the model prisoner, Mr Cooper. 529 00:36:02,775 --> 00:36:04,951 How confident are you that you can maintain 530 00:36:04,974 --> 00:36:08,431 this change for the better in the outside world? 531 00:36:08,454 --> 00:36:10,260 100%, your honour. 532 00:36:10,284 --> 00:36:13,900 One of the of fences involved violence towards a woman. 533 00:36:13,925 --> 00:36:16,101 What can you say to reassure us 534 00:36:16,125 --> 00:36:19,389 that you no longer pose a threat to the female members of the community? 535 00:36:19,414 --> 00:36:21,590 I'm not the same man that I was. 536 00:36:21,614 --> 00:36:23,724 The love and the loyalty of my wife... 537 00:36:25,614 --> 00:36:27,460 has helped me with that. 538 00:36:27,483 --> 00:36:29,715 Your wife has been a regular visitor. 539 00:36:30,945 --> 00:36:34,175 But your son, Adrian, hasn't visited you once. 540 00:36:36,175 --> 00:36:38,791 haven't been the best father, I admit that. 541 00:36:38,815 --> 00:36:41,175 Although, I do plan to make it up to him, if he'll let me. 542 00:36:42,614 --> 00:36:45,005 I'm 62, Adrian is nearly 40, 543 00:36:47,815 --> 00:36:50,644 Craig says that a man is never too old to want his dad. 544 00:36:59,844 --> 00:37:02,565 That's rejected. Negative for DNA. 545 00:37:08,724 --> 00:37:10,981 That's rejected, too. Negative for DNA. 546 00:37:11,005 --> 00:37:14,340 Is it just me, or is this beginning to look a bit bloody hopeless? 547 00:37:14,364 --> 00:37:16,030 DC Rowe... 548 00:37:16,054 --> 00:37:17,820 if we can't keep the faith, 549 00:37:17,844 --> 00:37:20,871 we have no right representing the victims or their families. 550 00:37:20,894 --> 00:37:22,231 Sorry, boss. 551 00:37:22,255 --> 00:37:23,621 Momentary lapse. All right. 552 00:37:23,644 --> 00:37:25,554 Yeah, thanks. 553 00:37:26,914 --> 00:37:29,030 Boss... Yeah? 554 00:37:29,054 --> 00:37:31,181 Cooper's been granted parole. 555 00:37:31,204 --> 00:37:33,181 That was Dyffryn Prison. 556 00:37:33,204 --> 00:37:35,925 They've no idea who they're dealing with. He's played them. 557 00:37:42,530 --> 00:37:48,050 John Cooper is the prime suspect in a major crime review. 558 00:37:49,690 --> 00:37:53,860 am requesting his release on parole be revoked. 559 00:37:56,300 --> 00:37:58,507 Well, what's the crime? 560 00:37:58,530 --> 00:38:00,996 can't share that information. 561 00:38:01,021 --> 00:38:04,226 Well, clearly, you don't have a case, or you'd be charging him. 562 00:38:04,250 --> 00:38:08,637 Cooper is a dangerous man. That is a matter of public record. 563 00:38:08,661 --> 00:38:10,556 People change. 564 00:38:10,579 --> 00:38:12,226 That's a matter of rehabilitation. 565 00:38:12,250 --> 00:38:16,476 I'm sure your client can be very agreeable when it suits him. 566 00:38:16,500 --> 00:38:19,757 Your timing is not convenient, Superintendent Wilkins. 567 00:38:19,780 --> 00:38:23,050 Can you at least give us a date when you expect to charge him? 568 00:38:24,579 --> 00:38:25,757 Not at present. 569 00:38:25,780 --> 00:38:29,637 But in the meantime, John's rights can just go hang? 570 00:38:29,661 --> 00:38:31,940 The safety of the public comes first. 571 00:38:32,891 --> 00:38:34,780 think we all agree on that. 572 00:38:58,971 --> 00:39:01,507 Although we've got a stay of execution, 573 00:39:01,530 --> 00:39:05,117 he's guaranteed another parole hearing within 3—6 months. 574 00:39:05,141 --> 00:39:07,786 If, by then, Dr Gallop and her team still haven't found 575 00:39:07,811 --> 00:39:10,996 our golden nugget, he'll be released. 576 00:39:11,021 --> 00:39:13,146 But we're not gonna let that happen. 577 00:39:13,170 --> 00:39:15,811 It's time to send Cooper a message. 578 00:39:19,329 --> 00:39:20,836 'Good evening. 579 00:39:20,860 --> 00:39:23,507 "Organisers say we're on the eve of the biggest industrial dispute 580 00:39:23,530 --> 00:39:26,277 'since the national strike of 1926. 581 00:39:26,300 --> 00:39:27,757 'So, what's it all about, 582 00:39:27,780 --> 00:39:30,021 'and how will it affect you and your family?' 583 00:39:35,780 --> 00:39:37,329 Cheers. Cheers. 584 00:39:44,780 --> 00:39:46,356 We think one man did all four murders 585 00:39:46,380 --> 00:39:48,947 and we need your help to catch him. 586 00:39:48,971 --> 00:39:50,586 want to make a personal televised 587 00:39:50,610 --> 00:39:53,067 appeal for information on the evening news. 588 00:39:53,090 --> 00:39:54,836 Do you think you'll get anything useful? 589 00:39:54,860 --> 00:39:57,027 It's a smokescreen. 590 00:39:57,050 --> 00:39:58,706 We're going to interview the suspect. 591 00:39:58,731 --> 00:40:02,027 want to use the appeal to send a message to him in advance. 592 00:40:02,050 --> 00:40:04,786 Plant something in his brain, make him good and paranoid. 593 00:40:04,811 --> 00:40:07,027 We're reinvestigating the cases and we... 594 00:40:07,050 --> 00:40:09,831 are confident we'll catch the culprit using DNA. 595 00:40:10,911 --> 00:40:12,297 Have you found something? 596 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:13,887 No. 597 00:40:13,911 --> 00:40:15,576 But he doesn't know that. 598 00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:18,047 And who better than the killer to help us refine our search? 599 00:40:18,070 --> 00:40:20,576 Handled right, liars have a way of 600 00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:22,880 telling you more than is good for them. 601 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:26,407 OK, I'm on board, but just one thing, 602 00:40:26,431 --> 00:40:28,606 how can you be sure he'll be watching when you need him to? 603 00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:31,016 He's a creature of habit. 604 00:40:31,041 --> 00:40:35,190 have it on good authority that he never misses Wales Tonight. 605 00:40:47,791 --> 00:40:49,190 Ta. 606 00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:53,239 About the news thing, boss. 607 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,956 Are you gonna mention the kids? Nolton Hill? 608 00:40:56,981 --> 00:40:58,460 Definitely not. 609 00:40:59,740 --> 00:41:02,157 Why upset them when we don't even know if the CPS 610 00:41:02,181 --> 00:41:04,061 will include the of fence on the indictment? 611 00:41:10,260 --> 00:41:13,791 There is someone who we should give a heads—up to, though. 612 00:41:44,460 --> 00:41:46,260 Who is it? Andrew Cooper? 613 00:41:47,420 --> 00:41:49,541 Who wants to know? The police. 614 00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:03,621 Thank you. 615 00:42:05,981 --> 00:42:08,717 You're not an easy man to track down. 616 00:42:08,740 --> 00:42:11,420 We were looking for an Adrian, not Andrew Cooper. 617 00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:14,235 get that a lot. 618 00:42:14,260 --> 00:42:15,791 Why did you change your name? 619 00:42:18,311 --> 00:42:19,951 Why are you here? 620 00:42:21,181 --> 00:42:24,157 We thought we should let you know that we are... 621 00:42:24,181 --> 00:42:26,485 investigating the possibility that your father 622 00:42:26,510 --> 00:42:29,797 may have been involved in other, more serious crimes. 623 00:42:29,820 --> 00:42:32,077 We're going to make a public appeal for information. 624 00:42:32,101 --> 00:42:34,260 don't like people referring to him as my father. 625 00:42:37,101 --> 00:42:38,597 OK, I'm sorry. 626 00:42:38,621 --> 00:42:40,956 What would you prefer? 627 00:42:40,981 --> 00:42:42,260 His name. 628 00:42:44,340 --> 00:42:45,460 What other crimes? 629 00:42:47,260 --> 00:42:48,646 Four murders. 630 00:42:48,670 --> 00:42:50,981 Scoveston Park and Coastal Path. 631 00:42:54,231 --> 00:42:56,460 I'm not getting dragged back into all that shit again. 632 00:42:57,900 --> 00:42:59,701 told Huntsman everything I know. 633 00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:04,956 'He's got his father's eyes. 634 00:43:04,981 --> 00:43:06,396 Yeah, I clocked that. 635 00:43:06,420 --> 00:43:08,717 Why do you think he only changed his first name? 636 00:43:08,740 --> 00:43:10,876 If you wanna lie low, you change your surname. 637 00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:12,927 Maybe it wasn't about lying low. 638 00:43:12,951 --> 00:43:16,876 He changed his name in 1998, the same year Cooper was put away. 639 00:43:16,900 --> 00:43:18,847 Maybe it was about starting again. 640 00:43:18,871 --> 00:43:20,677 A new name, a new life. 641 00:43:20,701 --> 00:43:23,036 Doesn't look like that's working out too well for him. 642 00:43:23,061 --> 00:43:25,360 The poor guy's a wreck. And then we come along. 643 00:44:07,335 --> 00:44:09,202 Are you OK? Yeah. 644 00:44:09,226 --> 00:44:10,226 Mm-hm. 645 00:44:12,175 --> 00:44:14,454 It's just you and me having a conversation. 646 00:44:16,096 --> 00:44:17,255 Yeah. 647 00:44:18,306 --> 00:44:21,056 In front of a few hundred thousand people, live. 648 00:44:25,976 --> 00:44:28,311 You know, in my first year at uni, 649 00:44:28,335 --> 00:44:31,231 me and some of my mates went camping near here. 650 00:44:31,255 --> 00:44:34,056 It was July 1989. It was just after the murders. 651 00:44:35,786 --> 00:44:38,360 We saw all the police activity. 652 00:44:38,385 --> 00:44:39,695 The wanted posters. 653 00:44:41,096 --> 00:44:42,226 It was scary. 654 00:44:44,056 --> 00:44:45,416 Fascinating as well. 655 00:44:47,255 --> 00:44:49,385 It's what made me want to become a crime reporter. 656 00:44:52,695 --> 00:44:53,976 Good to go? 657 00:44:55,146 --> 00:44:56,695 Let's do it. Yeah. 658 00:45:17,175 --> 00:45:19,121 'Good evening. We are live in Pembrokeshire, 659 00:45:19,146 --> 00:45:21,311 'where there have been dramatic developments 660 00:45:21,335 --> 00:45:23,762 'in two of Wales's most baffling crimes... 661 00:45:23,786 --> 00:45:26,202 'the murders of Richard and Helen Thomas, 662 00:45:26,226 --> 00:45:27,871 'and Peter and Gwenda Dixon. 663 00:45:27,896 --> 00:45:29,762 'And now, decades on, 664 00:45:29,786 --> 00:45:32,431 'these two double murders are being reinvestigated. 665 00:45:32,454 --> 00:45:34,481 'Detective Superintendent Steve Wilkins 666 00:45:34,505 --> 00:45:37,791 'is the man leading this reinvestigation.' 667 00:45:37,815 --> 00:45:40,952 "Developments in DNA analysis have revolutionised cold case reviews. 668 00:45:40,976 --> 00:45:43,360 "As a team, we have brought these processes to bear 669 00:45:43,385 --> 00:45:44,871 'on these two investigations 670 00:45:44,896 --> 00:45:47,561 'and they have had a significant impact. 671 00:45:47,585 --> 00:45:50,922 "We believe that somebody watching this programme tonight 672 00:45:50,945 --> 00:45:53,512 'may know who is responsible for these terrible crimes. 673 00:45:53,536 --> 00:45:54,952 "And I'm appealing to them, 674 00:45:54,976 --> 00:45:57,121 "for the sake of the victims and their families, 675 00:45:57,146 --> 00:45:58,711 'to please come forward.' 676 00:45:58,735 --> 00:46:00,871 'And do you think it's the same local man 677 00:46:00,896 --> 00:46:02,592 'responsible for all four murders?' 678 00:46:02,615 --> 00:46:04,282 "do believe that, Jonathan. 679 00:46:04,306 --> 00:46:07,121 'Thanks to the advances in DNA forensic science, 680 00:46:07,146 --> 00:46:08,641 "we are now in a much stronger position 681 00:46:08,666 --> 00:46:10,505 'to catch the person responsible.' 682 00:47:26,735 --> 00:47:28,735 Subtitles by accessibility@itv.com 52299

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