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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:56,068 --> 00:01:00,040 "In my grandmother's dining room there was a glass-fronted cabinet, 2 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,088 "and in the cabinet, a piece of skin. 3 00:01:02,088 --> 00:01:05,068 "It was a small piece only, but thick and leathery, 4 00:01:05,068 --> 00:01:08,000 "with strands of coarse, reddish hair. 5 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,080 "It was stuck to a card with a rusty pin. 6 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,024 "On the card was some writing, in faded black ink, 7 00:01:13,024 --> 00:01:15,048 "but I was too young then to read. 8 00:01:15,048 --> 00:01:17,000 " "What's that?" " 9 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,080 " "A piece of brontosaurus." " 10 00:01:21,004 --> 00:01:23,056 "My mother knew the names of two prehistoric animals - 11 00:01:23,056 --> 00:01:25,040 "the brontosaurus and the mammoth. 12 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,004 "She knew it was not a mammoth. 13 00:01:27,004 --> 00:01:29,064 "Mammoths came from Siberia. 14 00:01:30,072 --> 00:01:33,060 "The brontosaurus, I learned, was an animal that had drowned 15 00:01:33,060 --> 00:01:37,044 "in the Flood, being too big for Noah to ship aboard the ark. 16 00:01:37,044 --> 00:01:39,068 "I pictured a shaggy, lumbering creature, 17 00:01:39,068 --> 00:01:43,064 "with claws and fangs, and a malicious green light in its eyes. 18 00:01:43,064 --> 00:01:46,060 "Sometimes, the brontosaurus would crash through the bedroom wall 19 00:01:46,060 --> 00:01:49,004 "and wake me from my sleep. 20 00:01:49,004 --> 00:01:51,036 "This particular brontosaurus had lived in Patagonia, 21 00:01:51,036 --> 00:01:55,032 "a country in South America at the far end of the world. 22 00:01:56,052 --> 00:01:59,056 "Thousands of years before, it had fallen into a glacier, 23 00:01:59,056 --> 00:02:02,000 "travelled down a mountain in a prism of blue ice, 24 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,056 "and arrived in perfect condition at the bottom. 25 00:02:04,056 --> 00:02:06,036 "Here, my grandmother's cousin, 26 00:02:06,036 --> 00:02:08,032 "Charlie Milward, the sailor, found it." 27 00:02:25,024 --> 00:02:28,008 HERZOG:In the footsteps of Bruce Chatwin, 28 00:02:28,008 --> 00:02:30,036 we ended up at this shipwreck 29 00:02:30,036 --> 00:02:34,072 in Punta Arenas, at the southern tip of South America. 30 00:02:35,092 --> 00:02:40,000 This very wreck Chatwin had photographed more than four 31 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,072 decades ago and published it in his first book, 32 00:02:43,072 --> 00:02:45,012 In Patagonia. 33 00:02:47,056 --> 00:02:52,036 A few times in his life and in my life our paths 34 00:02:52,036 --> 00:02:55,096 had intersected, and there were points, 35 00:02:55,096 --> 00:03:00,032 landscapes, that we had explored independently, 36 00:03:00,032 --> 00:03:04,008 unbeknownst to each other, sometimes with many 37 00:03:04,008 --> 00:03:06,024 years in between. 38 00:03:06,024 --> 00:03:11,004 This ship that never reached its destination, was one 39 00:03:11,004 --> 00:03:12,064 of these points. 40 00:03:14,024 --> 00:03:17,000 Charlie Milward was captain of a merchant ship that sank 41 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,028 at the entrance to the Strait of Magellan. 42 00:03:19,028 --> 00:03:22,036 He survived the wreck and settled nearby at Punta Arenas, 43 00:03:22,036 --> 00:03:24,068 where he ran a ship repairing yard. 44 00:03:24,068 --> 00:03:26,092 The Charlie Milward of my imagination was a god 45 00:03:26,092 --> 00:03:30,084 among men - tall, silent and strong, with black mutton-chop whiskers 46 00:03:30,084 --> 00:03:32,036 and fierce blue eyes. 47 00:03:33,068 --> 00:03:36,080 The brontosaurus went rotten on its voyage through the Tropics 48 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:40,000 and arrived in London a putrefied mess, which was why you saw 49 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,056 brontosaurus bones in the museum, but no skin. 50 00:03:44,012 --> 00:03:46,096 Fortunately, cousin Charlie had posted a scrap 51 00:03:46,096 --> 00:03:48,028 to my grandmother. 52 00:03:50,028 --> 00:03:53,028 Chatwin was a writer like no other. 53 00:03:53,028 --> 00:03:58,084 He would craft mythical tales into voyages of the mind. 54 00:03:58,084 --> 00:04:03,012 In this respect, we found out we were kindred spirits, 55 00:04:03,012 --> 00:04:05,096 he as a writer, I as a film-maker. 56 00:04:07,032 --> 00:04:12,040 In this film here, I will follow a similar erratic quest for 57 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:17,088 wild characters, strange dreamers, and big ideas about the nature 58 00:04:17,088 --> 00:04:19,068 of human existence. 59 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,092 These were the themes Chatwin was obsessed with. 60 00:04:29,096 --> 00:04:32,008 We never had the intention 61 00:04:32,008 --> 00:04:35,076 to make a biographical film on Bruce Chatwin. 62 00:04:35,076 --> 00:04:42,028 In Patagonia brims over with dozens of wild stories, and we followed 63 00:04:42,028 --> 00:04:43,072 a few of them. 64 00:04:48,072 --> 00:04:53,044 Since the piece of skin was so important for Chatwin, 65 00:04:53,044 --> 00:04:57,008 we travelled with our camera to the very cave where 66 00:04:57,008 --> 00:05:00,036 it was discovered in 1895. 67 00:05:01,084 --> 00:05:04,060 Chatwin came here as a pilgrim. 68 00:05:05,088 --> 00:05:08,096 His book has made the cave famous. 69 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:16,060 Today, busloads of tourists seek out the extinct denizen of the crag. 70 00:05:16,060 --> 00:05:19,060 TOURISTS CHATTER 71 00:05:37,016 --> 00:05:41,064 We were lucky to meet Karin Eberhard, the great-granddaughter 72 00:05:41,064 --> 00:05:45,068 of Hermann Eberhard, who had found the remains 73 00:05:45,068 --> 00:05:49,032 of the mysterious prehistoric creature. 74 00:05:49,032 --> 00:05:51,080 SHE SPEAKS IN GERMAN 75 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,024 "Please can I have the piece of brontosaurus?" 76 00:07:36,024 --> 00:07:38,068 Never in my life have I wanted anything as I wanted 77 00:07:38,068 --> 00:07:39,088 that piece of skin. 78 00:07:39,088 --> 00:07:42,008 My grandmother said I should have it one day, 79 00:07:42,008 --> 00:07:44,004 perhaps, and when she died, I said, 80 00:07:44,004 --> 00:07:46,024 "Now, I can have the piece of brontosaurus." 81 00:07:46,024 --> 00:07:51,000 But my mother said, "Ha, that thing? I'm afraid we threw that away." 82 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,024 It took some years to sort the story out. 83 00:07:54,024 --> 00:07:57,032 Charlie Milward's animal was not a brontosaurus but the Mylodon, 84 00:07:57,032 --> 00:07:58,064 or giant sloth. 85 00:07:58,064 --> 00:08:01,064 He never found a whole specimen or even a whole skeleton, 86 00:08:01,064 --> 00:08:04,028 but some skin and bones preserved by the cold, 87 00:08:04,028 --> 00:08:08,076 dryness and salt in a cave on Last Hope Sound in Chilean Patagonia. 88 00:08:12,032 --> 00:08:17,048 Like Bruce Chatwin, we went to the cemetery in Punta Arenas 89 00:08:17,048 --> 00:08:21,036 in search of the grave of Charlie Milward the sailor. 90 00:08:22,072 --> 00:08:23,096 Later in his life, 91 00:08:23,096 --> 00:08:29,060 Charles Millard became British consul in Punta Arenas. 92 00:08:31,024 --> 00:08:34,084 He built this phenomenally ugly house for himself. 93 00:08:38,020 --> 00:08:41,064 Chatwin made a pilgrimage to the museum in La Plata in 94 00:08:41,064 --> 00:08:46,044 Argentina, some 3,000 kilometres further to the north. 95 00:08:47,068 --> 00:08:52,016 Here, the big remaining piece of the Mylodon skin 96 00:08:52,016 --> 00:08:57,064 that Hermann Eberhard had kept hanging on his tree, is on display. 97 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,052 Scientists established that this specimen had died 98 00:09:03,052 --> 00:09:06,052 around 10,000 years ago. 99 00:09:06,052 --> 00:09:12,068 Around that time, the giant sloth became extinct altogether. 100 00:09:12,068 --> 00:09:18,040 Amazingly, some of its faeces, the size of footballs, 101 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,064 were preserved almost fresh. 102 00:09:21,064 --> 00:09:27,000 Chatwin himself had found some small pieces of excrement and a few 103 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:31,040 strands of hair of the creature back in the cave. 104 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,032 This is how the animal looked. 105 00:09:34,032 --> 00:09:36,096 It stood almost ten-feet tall. 106 00:09:40,068 --> 00:09:45,036 Bruce Chatwin had a deep fascination for prehistory, 107 00:09:45,036 --> 00:09:50,032 obviously for dinosaurs, but more so for early branches 108 00:09:50,032 --> 00:09:55,016 of human evolution, which came some 60 million years later. 109 00:09:57,096 --> 00:10:02,020 He visited one of the most famous palaeontologists, 110 00:10:02,020 --> 00:10:07,088 Richard Leakey, who in Kenya had excavated the skull of a hominid 111 00:10:07,088 --> 00:10:11,048 dating 1.5 million years back in time. 112 00:10:12,076 --> 00:10:17,088 And, by sheer coincidence, Chatwin was present in South Africa 113 00:10:17,088 --> 00:10:23,036 at the very moment when the earliest evidence of human use of fire, 114 00:10:23,036 --> 00:10:26,080 about a million years ago, was discovered. 115 00:10:31,036 --> 00:10:34,012 Chatwin loved this museum. 116 00:10:35,024 --> 00:10:40,060 He fell in love with this particular extinct species of armadillos, 117 00:10:40,060 --> 00:10:46,052 and to me he once made a cryptic remark about a flying octopus 118 00:10:46,052 --> 00:10:50,004 that I did not understand until I saw it. 119 00:10:53,020 --> 00:10:58,072 The little cabinet of curiosities, of Bruce's childhood home, 120 00:10:58,072 --> 00:11:01,016 does not exist any longer. 121 00:11:01,016 --> 00:11:03,080 And so, you could see, 122 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,016 when you looked at these objects in the cabinet, 123 00:11:06,016 --> 00:11:08,080 each one of them would have been a story for Bruce, 124 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:13,088 a kind of emblem of a place he might want to visit, 125 00:11:13,088 --> 00:11:16,084 and so you had a compass point with all the compasses of the places 126 00:11:16,084 --> 00:11:18,088 he then did visit, a Victorian compass. 127 00:11:18,088 --> 00:11:22,056 You had the fish head, the arrow hooks from Patagonia, 128 00:11:22,056 --> 00:11:24,052 from his cousin, Charlie Milward. 129 00:11:24,052 --> 00:11:29,028 You had this object, which is the only object left 130 00:11:29,028 --> 00:11:33,028 in his collection in the Bodleian, it's the one object that is 131 00:11:33,028 --> 00:11:35,016 here with the notebooks, 132 00:11:35,016 --> 00:11:38,020 and it has... 133 00:11:39,048 --> 00:11:41,088 ..an inscription on the bottom, which... 134 00:11:44,016 --> 00:11:45,080 ..is possibly a motto for Bruce's... 135 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,008 Just one second here. 136 00:11:49,088 --> 00:11:52,076 It has an inscription on the bottom, 137 00:11:52,076 --> 00:11:55,040 "I am starting for a long journey." 138 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,052 This slightly potbellied Victorian traveller. 139 00:11:58,052 --> 00:12:01,040 And that could be Bruce's motto. 140 00:12:02,052 --> 00:12:08,068 His life, in a sense, is a search for the countries 141 00:12:08,068 --> 00:12:10,096 from which these objects originated. 142 00:12:10,096 --> 00:12:14,044 Including the piece of skin, as you describe it. 143 00:12:14,044 --> 00:12:19,088 And so, in a parody of Jason and the Fleece, 144 00:12:19,088 --> 00:12:25,000 Bruce set off for his first book to try and find the origin 145 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:29,052 of this fur, the kind of Golden Fleece, if you like. 146 00:12:29,052 --> 00:12:33,004 It's a kind of comic version of it 147 00:12:33,004 --> 00:12:35,092 on which this would be the 148 00:12:35,092 --> 00:12:39,052 clothes line on which he would hang all his stories of how he got there. 149 00:12:39,052 --> 00:12:44,000 And so this Victorian cabinet full of these objects, 150 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,072 and if you want to see Bruce's journey first of all mapped out, 151 00:12:47,072 --> 00:12:50,064 it's mapped out in childhood, when he's looking up to see 152 00:12:50,064 --> 00:12:54,080 the sloth skin and the compass and the fish-hooks from Patagonia, 153 00:12:54,080 --> 00:13:00,004 so each of these objects had a drama which attracted Bruce 154 00:13:00,004 --> 00:13:02,036 and which made him want to go to the source of it. 155 00:13:02,036 --> 00:13:05,020 I think one of the things... Ended up in great books. 156 00:13:05,020 --> 00:13:07,060 And ended up in great books. I mean, one of the things, 157 00:13:07,060 --> 00:13:09,072 as I was working through 158 00:13:09,072 --> 00:13:13,072 in the Bodleian Library, the notebooks - he used 159 00:13:13,072 --> 00:13:15,036 to do cloud formations. 160 00:13:15,036 --> 00:13:19,044 These are plants, telephone numbers, scraps of conversation. 161 00:13:19,044 --> 00:13:21,024 There's a mountain scene. 162 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:27,072 This is him going to Captain Eberhard at he cave where the 163 00:13:27,072 --> 00:13:30,092 Mylodon, the giant sloth skin he found. 164 00:13:30,092 --> 00:13:33,088 This is the end of In Patagonia. 165 00:13:33,088 --> 00:13:35,028 Of course... 166 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,092 ..in a way, describing certain things, 167 00:13:39,092 --> 00:13:42,012 he encountered facts. 168 00:13:42,012 --> 00:13:47,080 In the pedantic part of the reviewers who blamed him 169 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,096 for making things up, they were wrong. 170 00:13:50,096 --> 00:13:54,028 In my opinion, they were wrong because Bruce, 171 00:13:54,028 --> 00:13:58,092 sure, he would take facts, but he would modify them, 172 00:13:58,092 --> 00:14:02,068 but he would modify them in such a way that they would resemble 173 00:14:02,068 --> 00:14:06,016 more truth than reality. 174 00:14:06,016 --> 00:14:11,060 Bruce didn't tell a half-truth, he told a truth and a half. 175 00:14:11,060 --> 00:14:15,072 He embellished what was there, to make it even truer. 176 00:14:31,092 --> 00:14:36,076 There was also an attraction from early on in Chatwin's life 177 00:14:36,076 --> 00:14:41,076 for mysterious landscapes, landscapes of his soul. 178 00:14:41,076 --> 00:14:46,060 This stone, for some, radiating paranormal energies, 179 00:14:46,060 --> 00:14:52,048 forms part of a vast Neolithic complex at Avebury in Wiltshire. 180 00:14:52,048 --> 00:14:56,004 From his nearby boarding school in Marlborough, 181 00:14:56,004 --> 00:14:59,048 the young Bruce would ride his bike here all the time. 182 00:15:00,052 --> 00:15:03,012 SPIRITUAL CHANTING 183 00:15:24,096 --> 00:15:29,088 Part of this complex is Silbury Hill, the largest 184 00:15:29,088 --> 00:15:32,080 Neolithic structure in the world. 185 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:36,024 This is where he was somehow centred. 186 00:15:36,024 --> 00:15:40,064 This was his pivot, his mythical place of origin. 187 00:15:40,064 --> 00:15:43,088 Everything is an echo of this. 188 00:15:48,036 --> 00:15:50,048 CHANTING CONTINUES 189 00:18:09,032 --> 00:18:14,004 So, it's crossing, because I think the force is going that way. 190 00:18:14,004 --> 00:18:18,032 Can you show us again here, do you feel the force, 191 00:18:18,032 --> 00:18:19,072 is it like electric? 192 00:18:19,072 --> 00:18:21,084 No, it just crosses. 193 00:18:21,084 --> 00:18:25,092 So if I went this way now, in theory, it will cross again. 194 00:18:31,076 --> 00:18:33,000 See? 195 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:34,096 Show us again how it crosses. 196 00:18:34,096 --> 00:18:37,056 It just - it's that easy, it just settles down, 197 00:18:37,056 --> 00:18:38,060 it just... 198 00:18:40,052 --> 00:18:42,056 And you can see 'em wavering.Yeah. 199 00:18:42,056 --> 00:18:45,004 So there, I'm fine, nothing's happening, 200 00:18:45,004 --> 00:18:47,056 but as soon as I start to walk, 201 00:18:47,056 --> 00:18:48,080 they cross. 202 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:55,016 And now it's trying to go the other way because it knows, 203 00:18:55,016 --> 00:18:58,000 I think, the force is going that way. 204 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,064 And what forces are they? 205 00:19:00,064 --> 00:19:04,036 They're just possibly magnetic forces that run round the world. 206 00:19:04,036 --> 00:19:08,052 There's lots of them and Wiltshire is quite prevalent. 207 00:19:08,052 --> 00:19:11,044 They've got quite a lot of ley lines running through Wiltshire, 208 00:19:11,044 --> 00:19:15,040 possibly why they settled here. Perhaps our ancestors could feel 209 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,008 it and that's why they moved here. Who knows? 210 00:20:04,084 --> 00:20:08,016 I can sort of visualise him completely, here. 211 00:20:09,028 --> 00:20:12,028 You know, we used to come here. 212 00:20:12,028 --> 00:20:14,068 I can see him walking around. 213 00:20:14,068 --> 00:20:15,072 CUCKOO CALLS 214 00:20:15,072 --> 00:20:17,024 Cuckoo. 215 00:20:17,024 --> 00:20:18,048 Cuckoo. 216 00:20:18,048 --> 00:20:20,016 CUCKOO CALLS 217 00:20:20,016 --> 00:20:25,004 This is Elizabeth Chatwin, Bruce's widow. 218 00:20:25,004 --> 00:20:29,016 She took us to Llanthony Priory in Wales, a hideaway 219 00:20:29,016 --> 00:20:31,008 during their early courtship. 220 00:20:32,092 --> 00:20:38,032 The landscape around here became one of the essential locations 221 00:20:38,032 --> 00:20:41,004 where he would find his inner balance. 222 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:47,088 Bruce was a nomad, but he was always drawn back 223 00:20:47,088 --> 00:20:51,000 to this place, the Black hills in Wales. 224 00:20:52,020 --> 00:20:54,036 But this is a dreaming place. 225 00:20:54,036 --> 00:20:56,024 I mean, these hills. 226 00:20:56,024 --> 00:20:57,044 His inner landscape. 227 00:20:57,044 --> 00:20:59,040 His inner landscape, yeah. 228 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,028 The landscape of his soul. 229 00:21:01,028 --> 00:21:03,008 I think so. 230 00:21:03,008 --> 00:21:05,032 Landscape of his soul, yes. 231 00:21:07,036 --> 00:21:11,088 But apart from the idyllic landscapes that gave a feeling 232 00:21:11,088 --> 00:21:16,008 of home, of belonging, Bruce Chatwin was searching 233 00:21:16,008 --> 00:21:17,036 for strangeness. 234 00:21:18,084 --> 00:21:22,056 He always liked my first feature film, for this. 235 00:21:22,056 --> 00:21:27,084 In it, a protagonist, a German World War II soldier 236 00:21:27,084 --> 00:21:32,036 on a reconnaissance mission, suddenly becomes insane 237 00:21:32,036 --> 00:21:36,076 when he stumbles across this valley of 10,000 windmills. 238 00:21:38,028 --> 00:21:43,008 Bruce, in our conversations, mentioned this scene often. 239 00:21:43,008 --> 00:21:46,060 He coined the term "deranged landscape" for it. 240 00:22:44,060 --> 00:22:46,076 The quest for strangeness 241 00:22:46,076 --> 00:22:51,036 was recognised by others who knew Chatwin. 242 00:22:51,036 --> 00:22:55,032 In Australia, Petronella Vaarzon-Morel, 243 00:22:55,032 --> 00:23:00,028 whom he adored, wrote in a letter to him a quote from the poet Rilke 244 00:23:00,028 --> 00:23:01,088 that sums it up. 245 00:23:03,072 --> 00:23:08,080 My letter ended, "I'm reminded of the words of Rainer Maria Rilke, 246 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,064 "..That at bottom the only courage that is demanded of us, 247 00:23:12,064 --> 00:23:16,052 "to have courage for the most strange, the most singular 248 00:23:16,052 --> 00:23:19,088 "and the most inexplicable that we may encounter. 249 00:23:19,088 --> 00:23:21,068 "I'm glad to have met you." 250 00:23:24,056 --> 00:23:27,020 It was you who wrote that to him. 251 00:23:27,020 --> 00:23:29,060 Yes. To him, yes.Uh-huh. 252 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:22,064 As Bruce was after the brontosaurus skin, this was the skin 253 00:24:22,064 --> 00:24:24,028 of MY fascination. 254 00:24:25,044 --> 00:24:31,060 My quest was rather for weird creatures of pure science fiction 255 00:24:31,060 --> 00:24:36,060 that looked as if they had landed in what today are the remains 256 00:24:36,060 --> 00:24:39,048 of a Hollywood intergalactic spacecraft. 257 00:24:41,012 --> 00:24:46,024 This wreck from Star Wars is collecting dust in Coober Pedy 258 00:24:46,024 --> 00:24:48,040 in the Australian Outback. 259 00:24:51,044 --> 00:24:55,024 Australia was where our paths crossed for the first 260 00:24:55,024 --> 00:24:57,068 time, in 1983. 261 00:24:58,096 --> 00:25:03,028 I was preparing my film, Where The Green Ants Dream, 262 00:25:03,028 --> 00:25:08,000 and Bruce Chatwin was researching Aboriginal songs for his book, 263 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,088 The Songlines. 264 00:25:09,088 --> 00:25:14,044 We were both fascinated by Aboriginal mythology. 265 00:25:16,028 --> 00:25:20,020 As Bruce never recorded his book The Songlines, 266 00:25:20,020 --> 00:25:22,084 I will read the passage for him. 267 00:25:24,068 --> 00:25:30,048 "On the surface of the Earth the only features were certain hollows, 268 00:25:30,048 --> 00:25:34,044 "which would one day be water holes. 269 00:25:34,044 --> 00:25:37,040 "There were no animals and no plants, 270 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,032 "yet clustered round the water holes 271 00:25:40,032 --> 00:25:46,004 "there were pulpy masses of matter, lumps of primordial soup, 272 00:25:46,004 --> 00:25:53,012 "soundless, sightless, un-breathing, unawake and unsleeping, 273 00:25:53,012 --> 00:25:57,040 "each containing the essence of life or the possibility 274 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,020 "of becoming human. 275 00:26:00,096 --> 00:26:06,068 "Beneath the Earth's crust, however, the constellations glimmered, 276 00:26:06,068 --> 00:26:12,068 "the sun shone, the moon waxed and waned, and all the forms of life 277 00:26:12,068 --> 00:26:18,080 "lay sleeping, the scarlet of a desert pea, the iridescence 278 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:23,044 "on a butterfly's wing, the twitching, white whiskers 279 00:26:23,044 --> 00:26:29,028 "of old men kangaroo, dormant as seeds in the desert 280 00:26:29,028 --> 00:26:32,028 "that must wait for a wandering shower." 281 00:26:51,032 --> 00:26:55,064 CHATWIN: In central Australia, I'm concerned with something 282 00:26:55,064 --> 00:26:58,072 which are called the songlines, or the dreaming tracks. 283 00:26:58,072 --> 00:27:01,024 The Australian Aboriginals have this idea that the whole 284 00:27:01,024 --> 00:27:05,008 of the land is covered with song and this is something which I find 285 00:27:05,008 --> 00:27:09,000 absolutely, totally incredible, because I think it gives one 286 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,096 insights as to how language, song, 287 00:27:12,096 --> 00:27:15,008 thought, poetry, 288 00:27:15,008 --> 00:27:17,020 came into being originally. 289 00:27:19,036 --> 00:27:23,060 I have a white fella's understanding of songline gained from literature 290 00:27:23,060 --> 00:27:26,076 and conversations with Aboriginal people. 291 00:27:26,076 --> 00:27:31,056 Yes, I'm a musician, and Bruce Chatwin, of course, 292 00:27:31,056 --> 00:27:34,052 coined the term "songlines". 293 00:27:34,052 --> 00:27:38,000 He didn't like the term "dreaming tracks", 294 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,056 and wanted to find something, 295 00:27:40,056 --> 00:27:42,068 I guess, more poetic. 296 00:27:42,068 --> 00:27:46,036 Aboriginal people were, especially in Central Australia, 297 00:27:46,036 --> 00:27:49,064 were travelling across a very dry landscape and needed a way 298 00:27:49,064 --> 00:27:53,088 to navigate from A to B. 299 00:27:53,088 --> 00:27:58,080 They didn't use GPS and what have you. 300 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:03,012 So they used mnemonics, a poetry, 301 00:28:03,012 --> 00:28:06,088 a storytelling that got them 302 00:28:06,088 --> 00:28:08,060 from A to B. 303 00:28:08,060 --> 00:28:11,048 These look like...It's coming apart, some notebooks 304 00:28:11,048 --> 00:28:14,076 of the songlines. Is this his attempt to draw a songline?Yes. 305 00:28:14,076 --> 00:28:18,028 Can you take the next page, next to it? 306 00:28:20,020 --> 00:28:21,072 And here... 307 00:28:22,096 --> 00:28:24,076 ..very, very strange... 308 00:28:24,076 --> 00:28:28,016 "System of bringing knowledge", he has here. 309 00:28:28,016 --> 00:28:29,056 Yeah. 310 00:28:29,056 --> 00:28:36,064 And delineating lines that were formed by dreams and by song. 311 00:28:36,064 --> 00:28:40,028 And for the Aborigines, of course, it's not just song, 312 00:28:40,028 --> 00:28:42,020 it's orientation in space and it's... 313 00:28:42,020 --> 00:28:46,020 The whole identity, the link they have with the land. 314 00:28:46,020 --> 00:28:47,036 A very graphic image he has. 315 00:28:47,036 --> 00:28:50,076 He goes with some Aborigines in a car and they're singing 316 00:28:50,076 --> 00:28:53,016 the songlines themselves but as the car gets faster, 317 00:28:53,016 --> 00:28:55,052 they quicken the speed of the song. Yes. 318 00:28:55,052 --> 00:28:58,044 They have to hurry through the tracks. 319 00:28:58,044 --> 00:29:01,044 I think Bruce never quite understood and didn't pretend to understand 320 00:29:01,044 --> 00:29:02,084 what a songline was. 321 00:29:02,084 --> 00:29:07,096 When I asked him to describe it in sounds, he tried, "Oh, it's a low, 322 00:29:07,096 --> 00:29:09,060 "rather beautiful ahhh." 323 00:29:09,060 --> 00:29:13,068 He said this sound which didn't sound like anything I ever heard 324 00:29:13,068 --> 00:29:16,072 again, when the Aborigines were singing songlines to me. 325 00:29:20,012 --> 00:29:28,000 Nah. I don't think that the song created the landscape. 326 00:29:29,052 --> 00:29:32,036 I think 327 00:29:32,036 --> 00:29:36,012 that the landscape was created... 328 00:29:36,012 --> 00:29:38,064 ..by the Al Tierra. 329 00:29:38,064 --> 00:29:41,076 And the Al Tierra was born from the those words of songs... 330 00:29:41,076 --> 00:29:46,080 Mikey Liddle uses here the terming around the language for dreamtime. 331 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:51,036 ..that carried the existence of the animal travelling 332 00:29:51,036 --> 00:29:54,048 through, to create the landscape. 333 00:29:57,092 --> 00:30:02,092 The animals, the trees, growing in that landscape. 334 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,072 So, that's a hard one. 335 00:30:09,072 --> 00:30:12,004 The egg or the chicken? 336 00:30:13,032 --> 00:30:15,020 The song or the landscape? 337 00:30:19,056 --> 00:30:23,036 It's a wonderful mystery and I get great pleasure 338 00:30:23,036 --> 00:30:25,056 about thinking about it. 339 00:30:25,056 --> 00:30:28,092 They're magnificent songs. 340 00:30:28,092 --> 00:30:30,044 They're magnificent... 341 00:30:33,036 --> 00:30:36,024 ..magnificent, erm... 342 00:30:38,012 --> 00:30:42,088 ..procedures of communication that are performed by... 343 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,032 skin names... 344 00:30:46,068 --> 00:30:49,088 ..different categories of the songlines. 345 00:30:49,088 --> 00:30:54,092 And then they're passed over, because that's as far as I can go. 346 00:30:54,092 --> 00:30:57,048 Them people take it on now. 347 00:30:57,048 --> 00:30:59,088 I know that, 348 00:30:59,088 --> 00:31:01,040 and they know that. 349 00:31:02,092 --> 00:31:05,028 They have to take it on from there. 350 00:31:05,028 --> 00:31:08,052 I know the rest of that song, but it's them people's 351 00:31:08,052 --> 00:31:10,040 responsibility to do that. 352 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,068 HE SPEAKS OWN LANGUAGE 353 00:32:30,024 --> 00:32:33,056 And does a plane leave a songline in the sky? 354 00:32:42,060 --> 00:32:45,012 Our songlines are 355 00:32:45,012 --> 00:32:49,000 our way of contributing to the health of the planet. 356 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,072 In which way? 357 00:32:51,072 --> 00:32:54,068 When our old people sing, they reinvigorate sites. 358 00:32:56,012 --> 00:33:00,044 Erm, and it invigorates them at the same time. 359 00:33:00,044 --> 00:33:04,016 Our old people had a really, really close connection, 360 00:33:04,016 --> 00:33:06,012 and still do, with the country. 361 00:33:06,012 --> 00:33:11,016 And erm, look, something in me sort of believes that... 362 00:33:13,032 --> 00:33:16,020 ..when the last song man or song woman... 363 00:33:17,076 --> 00:33:23,012 ..passes, whether it be in Aboriginal Australia, 364 00:33:23,012 --> 00:33:27,004 whether it be in the Amazon forests, whether it be in Africa, 365 00:33:27,004 --> 00:33:31,072 Asia, wherever, something profound's going to happen. 366 00:33:31,072 --> 00:33:36,012 I don't know what that is, but I think that our songlines 367 00:33:36,012 --> 00:33:42,080 I guess kind of hold the Earth together in a mysterious way. 368 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:49,092 We are here in the Strehlow Centre, named after the eminent scholar 369 00:33:49,092 --> 00:33:53,056 Theodor Strehlow, who spent decades collecting 370 00:33:53,056 --> 00:33:57,016 knowledge and songs of Aborigines. 371 00:33:57,016 --> 00:34:00,076 This brought Bruce Chatwin to Australia. 372 00:34:00,076 --> 00:34:05,088 His monumental book, however, contains elements of secret 373 00:34:05,088 --> 00:34:10,000 knowledge meant only for the initiated. 374 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:15,000 Even the painting on the cover should not be seen by everyone, 375 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,088 and we were asked to show only part of it and out of focus. 376 00:34:22,032 --> 00:34:26,060 Now, as this book is available for everyone, 377 00:34:26,060 --> 00:34:32,064 I can read it and I can look into knowledge that shouldn't be for me? 378 00:34:32,064 --> 00:34:35,004 It was not meant for me. 379 00:34:35,004 --> 00:34:37,064 Is that a problem for you? 380 00:34:37,064 --> 00:34:40,008 Yes, I think it is a problem. 381 00:34:40,008 --> 00:34:44,016 And it's becoming more of an increasing problem. 382 00:34:47,056 --> 00:34:49,024 Look, I guess... 383 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:57,044 ..this material, I think TGH Strehlow had some 384 00:34:57,044 --> 00:35:02,048 perceptions that the knowledge would die out. 385 00:35:02,048 --> 00:35:07,072 Erm, now there's no doubt that some elements of Aboriginal 386 00:35:07,072 --> 00:35:11,088 culture have eroded. 387 00:35:11,088 --> 00:35:14,040 But we are still here. 388 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,068 We are still singing many of these songs. 389 00:35:17,068 --> 00:35:20,064 We are still performing ceremonies every year. 390 00:35:20,064 --> 00:35:24,016 We still have a really deep connection to country. 391 00:35:24,016 --> 00:35:28,072 But they're not meant for me, for example, not meant 392 00:35:28,072 --> 00:35:30,056 for my camera? 393 00:35:30,056 --> 00:35:34,092 Yeah, well, a lot of the material in this is restricted 394 00:35:34,092 --> 00:35:38,012 men's material. It's restricted knowledge. 395 00:35:38,012 --> 00:35:43,080 Erm, this document, songs in detail, it provides you with 396 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,020 translations of songs. 397 00:35:46,020 --> 00:35:51,032 And...Should the book be locked away? 398 00:35:51,032 --> 00:35:53,012 Should it be hidden away? 399 00:35:54,068 --> 00:35:56,040 Well... 400 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,092 Should it be burned? 401 00:36:00,008 --> 00:36:02,024 Look, I don't think so. 402 00:36:03,020 --> 00:36:07,060 Theodor Strehlow looks here like an outdoorist man, 403 00:36:07,060 --> 00:36:11,076 but growing up in Hermannsburg in Central Australia, 404 00:36:11,076 --> 00:36:15,024 as the son of a German Protestant missionary, 405 00:36:15,024 --> 00:36:22,016 he was fluent in German, English, Aranda, Latin and ancient Greek. 406 00:36:22,016 --> 00:36:27,056 With Songs Of Central Australia, he left one Earth-shattering thought 407 00:36:27,056 --> 00:36:30,020 of the most singular books ever written. 408 00:36:30,020 --> 00:36:35,012 Chatwin describes it as "great and lonely". 409 00:36:35,012 --> 00:36:39,064 It is based on his field diaries, but connects philosophy, 410 00:36:39,064 --> 00:36:45,080 ancient literature, mythologies of seemingly unrelated cultures. 411 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:50,032 This was also Chatwin's way of connecting the most improbable 412 00:36:50,032 --> 00:36:54,032 varieties of ideas and encounters. 413 00:36:54,032 --> 00:36:59,048 This became Chatwin's unique style of storytelling. 414 00:36:59,048 --> 00:37:02,008 What I remember about the person, I don't know if this is the same 415 00:37:02,008 --> 00:37:06,060 for you, he was like a kind of fiery ball of light shedding flickering 416 00:37:06,060 --> 00:37:09,012 illuminations on obscure pieces of knowledge, 417 00:37:09,012 --> 00:37:15,020 on connecting countries, people, books, text. 418 00:37:15,020 --> 00:37:19,040 I've often wondered if he was a kind of precursor of the internet. 419 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,000 He offered connections. 420 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,028 No, he was the internet. He was the internet.He was the internet at a 421 00:37:26,028 --> 00:37:29,032 time when, technically, it did not exist. 422 00:37:29,032 --> 00:37:32,012 He was the internet. 423 00:37:32,012 --> 00:37:37,008 In Alice Springs, not far from the Strehlow Centre, 424 00:37:37,008 --> 00:37:41,012 we met Peter Bartlett, a very well-read man, 425 00:37:41,012 --> 00:37:46,036 who has lived with Aborigines since he was a young man. 426 00:37:46,036 --> 00:37:50,084 He's a speaker of Warlpiri and a fully initiated member 427 00:37:50,084 --> 00:37:52,072 of this tribe. 428 00:37:52,072 --> 00:37:59,008 He has read and reread The Songlines and could, as he says, 429 00:37:59,008 --> 00:38:03,056 write a thousand pages of commentary about it. 430 00:38:03,056 --> 00:38:09,040 He told us about his experience with Aboriginal songs. 431 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,012 Some of these performances that I heard when I was young, 432 00:38:13,012 --> 00:38:14,080 were just so powerful. 433 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:20,028 So it was a real mystery to me why... 434 00:38:20,028 --> 00:38:22,068 Was it more powerful than Wagner and Verdi? 435 00:38:22,068 --> 00:38:27,032 Oh, yeah, you know, men would be screaming those songs out. 436 00:38:27,032 --> 00:38:31,000 And it would be like a competition between 437 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,048 ten football teams, you know? 438 00:38:32,048 --> 00:38:37,044 And you'd have voices that would, really supreme singers 439 00:38:37,044 --> 00:38:40,048 that could put their voice right over hundreds 440 00:38:40,048 --> 00:38:42,024 of men singing intensely. 441 00:38:42,024 --> 00:38:45,032 And stomp, you know, all the percussion sounds 442 00:38:45,032 --> 00:38:46,072 that they'd be making. 443 00:38:46,072 --> 00:38:50,032 And you'd have these top singers that could take their voices right 444 00:38:50,032 --> 00:38:51,084 over the top. 445 00:38:51,084 --> 00:38:55,056 You know, so, yeah, no, and it would all be done 446 00:38:55,056 --> 00:38:57,028 in darkness, with stars. 447 00:38:57,028 --> 00:38:59,040 HE SINGS SOFTLY 448 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:04,020 Peter Bartlett introduced us to his Warlpiri mentor, 449 00:39:04,020 --> 00:39:05,068 Robin Granites. 450 00:39:09,076 --> 00:39:14,036 The words, I know the tune, the tune is all right, 451 00:39:14,036 --> 00:39:16,044 but it's the wording that... 452 00:39:16,044 --> 00:39:19,000 There are a lot of songs, right? Yeah. 453 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,012 But there are these words that... 454 00:39:24,096 --> 00:39:30,044 Are the lyrics of the songlines eroding, or should we rather suspect 455 00:39:30,044 --> 00:39:34,028 that he does not want to reveal everything to our camera? 456 00:39:34,028 --> 00:39:38,020 What about that one I used to sing? Maybe it's the wrong one for you? 457 00:39:38,020 --> 00:39:39,096 That Ngaanyatjarra one. 458 00:39:39,096 --> 00:39:41,016 Maybe. 459 00:39:41,016 --> 00:39:44,000 PETER SINGS 460 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,072 ROBIN JOINS IN 461 00:39:46,072 --> 00:39:48,048 PETER SINGS AGAIN 462 00:39:49,056 --> 00:39:51,060 HE SPEAKS IN OWN LANGUAGE 463 00:40:01,088 --> 00:40:04,016 HE SINGS IN OWN LANGUAGE 464 00:40:51,020 --> 00:40:55,016 This here is the mission station in Hermannsburg. 465 00:40:55,016 --> 00:40:59,056 Bruce was searching here for something profound. 466 00:40:59,056 --> 00:41:03,080 A whole world embedded in ancient Aboriginal songs. 467 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:08,064 It does not feel right to me how the missionaries transformed 468 00:41:08,064 --> 00:41:12,068 the culture of song into Lutheran piety. 469 00:41:12,068 --> 00:41:14,096 THEY SING IN OWN LANGUAGE 470 00:41:27,052 --> 00:41:30,068 The furnishings date back to Theodor's father, 471 00:41:30,068 --> 00:41:34,076 Carl Strehlow, the Lutheran pastor. 472 00:41:34,076 --> 00:41:38,048 Everything here seems to be frozen in time. 473 00:41:38,048 --> 00:41:41,060 THEY CONTINUE SINGING 474 00:42:11,012 --> 00:42:14,096 I was always in search of this elusive manuscript, 475 00:42:14,096 --> 00:42:18,020 which he had said he'd written, he'd spent, himself, seven years 476 00:42:18,020 --> 00:42:20,052 writing, called The Nomadic Alternative. 477 00:42:20,052 --> 00:42:23,036 Which was the key of his theory about nomadism, 478 00:42:23,036 --> 00:42:25,060 about walking, about how walking cures you, 479 00:42:25,060 --> 00:42:28,012 which you must have talked with him about. 480 00:42:28,012 --> 00:42:32,004 The library allowed us to touch it, to read from it, look into it. 481 00:42:33,092 --> 00:42:35,092 I can show it, it's for real. 482 00:42:35,092 --> 00:42:40,064 It is... This is called... You have searched for it. 483 00:42:40,064 --> 00:42:42,052 I'd searched for this for seven years. 484 00:42:42,052 --> 00:42:45,000 I found it literally in the last summer I was here. 485 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,004 It's called The Nomadic Alternative, and it was the manuscript that Bruce 486 00:42:48,004 --> 00:42:50,072 was commissioned to write when he was a young... 487 00:42:50,072 --> 00:42:54,056 After he'd left studying archaeology at Edinburgh, 488 00:42:54,056 --> 00:42:58,044 he was commissioned to do this book on his theory 489 00:42:58,044 --> 00:43:00,032 about walking and nomadism. 490 00:43:00,032 --> 00:43:06,008 Of course, I had a similar worldview that with nomadic 491 00:43:06,008 --> 00:43:12,020 existence, with the demise of nomadic life, city life, 492 00:43:12,020 --> 00:43:17,092 sedentary life, would come in place, meaning huge amount of human 493 00:43:17,092 --> 00:43:25,016 beings, technology, all of which is now probably working 494 00:43:25,016 --> 00:43:28,016 at the destruction of the human race. 495 00:43:28,016 --> 00:43:33,040 And he was quite sure that humanity was fragile, 496 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,064 that we had maybe 100,000, a little more than 100,000 497 00:43:37,064 --> 00:43:43,020 years as Homo sapiens, but we may not have that much left, 498 00:43:43,020 --> 00:43:47,000 that we might disappear like other species have disappeared. 499 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,092 So, what did you think of his theory of nomadism, 500 00:43:49,092 --> 00:43:52,004 as you understood it? 501 00:43:52,004 --> 00:43:56,052 I had an immediate rapport, because in my thinking 502 00:43:56,052 --> 00:44:02,072 and in my experiences on foot, I had made exactly the same 503 00:44:02,072 --> 00:44:06,040 ideas, impressions, experiences. 504 00:44:09,088 --> 00:44:14,052 These here are the last nomadic people of Tierra del Fuego, 505 00:44:14,052 --> 00:44:18,004 photographed a mere 100 years ago. 506 00:44:18,004 --> 00:44:22,092 Bruce Chatwin had seen these photos while he was in Patagonia. 507 00:44:22,092 --> 00:44:27,044 For him, it was clear that we could not revert 508 00:44:27,044 --> 00:44:32,076 to the times of nomadism, but he was fascinated by the fact 509 00:44:32,076 --> 00:44:38,048 that humans in East Africa, where we originated as Homo sapiens 510 00:44:38,048 --> 00:44:43,092 around 150,000 years ago, travelled the longest distance 511 00:44:43,092 --> 00:44:46,060 humans could possibly go. 512 00:44:46,060 --> 00:44:53,000 From East Africa, to the Near East, spreading to Asia and Siberia, 513 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,096 crossing the Bering Strait into Alaska and, from there, 514 00:44:56,096 --> 00:45:01,060 all the way down through the Americas to the southernmost tip 515 00:45:01,060 --> 00:45:03,028 of South America. 516 00:45:05,044 --> 00:45:10,036 10,000 years ago, they left their imprint in a cave 517 00:45:10,036 --> 00:45:12,024 under an overhang. 518 00:45:12,024 --> 00:45:16,036 Bruce Chatwin and they had the same vista. 519 00:45:18,056 --> 00:45:21,064 Is there still an echo of their voices? 520 00:45:23,028 --> 00:45:25,056 ANCIENT SINGING 521 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:54,004 A never-ending wind is still the same, 522 00:45:54,004 --> 00:45:59,028 and so are the animals they hunted, mostly guanacos. 523 00:46:13,020 --> 00:46:19,028 The depictions of animals are lively and fairly realistic. 524 00:46:19,028 --> 00:46:24,000 But how the prehistoric nomads looked, remains a mystery. 525 00:46:28,064 --> 00:46:33,064 This here could be a dancer, a hybrid between man and frog. 526 00:46:35,096 --> 00:46:40,028 Frogs appear to have been important totemic creatures. 527 00:46:40,028 --> 00:46:45,084 The hands of these long-gone people are the direct imprint 528 00:46:45,084 --> 00:46:49,068 of their presence, almost forensic evidence. 529 00:46:50,088 --> 00:46:54,044 But the longer you look, the more unreal, 530 00:46:54,044 --> 00:46:57,000 the more mysterious, they become. 531 00:47:50,004 --> 00:47:56,084 The photos, 10,000 years later, have already become inexplicable. 532 00:47:56,084 --> 00:48:01,048 This one has been interpreted as showing a shaman who, 533 00:48:01,048 --> 00:48:06,068 with his hands outstretched, tells his people of a lunar eclipse. 534 00:48:08,060 --> 00:48:11,084 This one is one of my favourites. 535 00:48:11,084 --> 00:48:15,092 The painted man in the foreground is supposed to be a spirit 536 00:48:15,092 --> 00:48:17,080 among the living. 537 00:48:19,060 --> 00:48:24,016 No-one today has any idea about what is going on here. 538 00:48:24,016 --> 00:48:29,056 It seems to be a ceremony performed by naked men. 539 00:48:29,056 --> 00:48:35,072 In this one, the only thing we know is that these men are not dead. 540 00:48:35,072 --> 00:48:39,024 This may be a ritual performance of death. 541 00:48:42,020 --> 00:48:45,056 What the paintings of faces and bodies mean, 542 00:48:45,056 --> 00:48:50,024 we do not know either, but they point to a complex system 543 00:48:50,024 --> 00:48:52,092 of beliefs and ceremonies. 544 00:48:56,064 --> 00:48:58,096 SINGING CONTINUES 545 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:20,024 Nomads, their bodies and faces painted, 546 00:49:20,024 --> 00:49:26,016 always fascinated Bruce Chatwin. Even when he was only days away 547 00:49:26,016 --> 00:49:30,060 from death, he wanted to see my just-finished film 548 00:49:30,060 --> 00:49:34,056 on Woodaabe tribesmen in the southern Sahara. 549 00:49:34,056 --> 00:49:38,032 Each year, they meet in the middle of nowhere, 550 00:49:38,032 --> 00:49:42,048 and the young men elaborately adorn their faces. 551 00:49:42,048 --> 00:49:46,036 They compete for beauty in front of the women, 552 00:49:46,036 --> 00:49:51,016 and showing the whites of their eyes and their teeth is considered 553 00:49:51,016 --> 00:49:54,020 the highest mark of their beauty. 554 00:49:54,020 --> 00:49:59,000 These images were the last Bruce ever saw before he lapsed 555 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,028 into his final coma. 556 00:50:13,056 --> 00:50:18,068 All these tribal cultures are in their last days. 557 00:50:18,068 --> 00:50:21,064 Bruce wrote about their abrupt encounters 558 00:50:21,064 --> 00:50:23,056 with Western civilisation. 559 00:50:26,044 --> 00:50:30,076 I'm reading now an excerpt of Chatwin's In Patagonia 560 00:50:30,076 --> 00:50:33,092 that he did not read in his recording. 561 00:50:33,092 --> 00:50:40,080 "Bernalladias relates how, on seeing the jewelled cities of Mexico, 562 00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:45,008 "the conquistadors wondered if they had not stepped 563 00:50:45,008 --> 00:50:49,068 "into the Book of Amadis, or the fabric of a dream. 564 00:50:49,068 --> 00:50:55,052 "His lines are sometimes quoted to support the assertion 565 00:50:55,052 --> 00:50:59,036 "that history aspires to the symmetry of myth. 566 00:50:59,036 --> 00:51:03,064 "A similar case concerns Magellan's landfall 567 00:51:03,064 --> 00:51:07,044 "at San Julian in 1520. 568 00:51:07,044 --> 00:51:12,044 "From the ship they saw a giant dancing naked on the shore, 569 00:51:12,044 --> 00:51:15,004 "dancing and leaping and singing. 570 00:51:15,004 --> 00:51:19,076 "And while singing, throwing sand and dust on his head. 571 00:51:19,076 --> 00:51:24,064 "As the white men approached, he raised one finger to the sky, 572 00:51:24,064 --> 00:51:28,024 "questioning whether they had come from heaven. 573 00:51:28,024 --> 00:51:33,008 "When led before the captain general, he covered his nakedness 574 00:51:33,008 --> 00:51:36,000 "with a cape of guanaco hide." 575 00:51:38,020 --> 00:51:43,052 The faces of these tribal people seem to betray a similar shock 576 00:51:43,052 --> 00:51:46,048 of encounter with a mythical vessel. 577 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:56,024 An exact replica of Magellan's ship sits on dry land in Punta Arenas. 578 00:51:56,024 --> 00:51:58,032 But the myth lives on. 579 00:51:59,060 --> 00:52:03,000 Is the ship not tossed by raging waves? 580 00:52:04,004 --> 00:52:07,008 Does a storm whip it along? 581 00:52:07,008 --> 00:52:12,020 Do the ropes in the rigging sing a siren's song in the wind? 582 00:52:13,084 --> 00:52:19,064 Are these ice floes a mortal hazard for the ship rounding the rocks 583 00:52:19,064 --> 00:52:20,080 of Cape Horn? 584 00:52:22,048 --> 00:52:26,088 Have the conquistadors failed in their mission to convert 585 00:52:26,088 --> 00:52:29,024 the natives to Christianity? 586 00:52:29,024 --> 00:52:32,088 Or has it remained a hollow promise? 587 00:52:58,088 --> 00:53:05,044 Retracing Chatwin's journey, we cross the Beagle Channel into Chile. 588 00:53:05,044 --> 00:53:10,020 This here is the Chilean customs and immigration building 589 00:53:10,020 --> 00:53:14,044 on the Isla Navarino, the last large island 590 00:53:14,044 --> 00:53:18,016 before the end of the continent. 591 00:53:18,016 --> 00:53:23,072 Chatwin was in search of traces of the nomadic people of Patagonia. 592 00:53:29,048 --> 00:53:33,020 We came across a group of archaeologists who were 593 00:53:33,020 --> 00:53:35,072 digging up an ancient campsite. 594 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:47,000 This area was sporadically inhabited by wandering tribes. 595 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,016 Over hundreds, maybe thousands of years, 596 00:53:50,016 --> 00:53:53,064 they left layer upon layer of seashells, 597 00:53:53,064 --> 00:53:57,024 vaguely visible here as distinct strata. 598 00:53:59,048 --> 00:54:01,052 BAND PLAYS 599 00:54:20,060 --> 00:54:26,016 Modern-day Navarino Island is trying to preserve the history 600 00:54:26,016 --> 00:54:28,052 of ancient nomads. 601 00:54:28,052 --> 00:54:31,088 These Chilean students are the future now. 602 00:54:31,088 --> 00:54:35,084 They're marching in celebration of the founding day 603 00:54:35,084 --> 00:54:39,072 of Puerto Williams, the only settlement on the island. 604 00:54:55,040 --> 00:55:00,020 As recently as the late 19th century, people from here 605 00:55:00,020 --> 00:55:03,028 were exhibited in a zoo in Paris. 606 00:55:03,028 --> 00:55:06,092 They all died out through epidemics 607 00:55:06,092 --> 00:55:10,036 or were killed by white settlers. 608 00:55:10,036 --> 00:55:15,032 The murderers gave this photo the title In The Field Of Honour. 609 00:55:27,028 --> 00:55:34,040 Scores of Yagans, Selknams, Kaweskar and other indigenous groups 610 00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,064 were buried in this tribal cemetery. 611 00:55:48,088 --> 00:55:53,068 This end of a civilisation frightened Bruce Chatwin. 612 00:55:53,068 --> 00:55:55,056 He wanted conversation. 613 00:55:55,056 --> 00:55:59,064 He was into speech, as if by manic compulsion. 614 00:55:59,064 --> 00:56:06,064 To me, it was as if he was speaking to push his untimely death away. 615 00:56:11,036 --> 00:56:15,020 He was talking, talking, talking 616 00:56:15,020 --> 00:56:17,036 at the top of the table. 617 00:56:17,036 --> 00:56:19,076 And everybody laughed a lot. 618 00:56:19,076 --> 00:56:23,012 No. It was nice. 619 00:56:23,012 --> 00:56:26,080 It was just so sad that he didn't live, 620 00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:30,004 you know, because I can imagine what he would still be... 621 00:56:30,004 --> 00:56:33,028 I mean, he had so many books already still in his head 622 00:56:33,028 --> 00:56:35,044 that he wanted to write. 623 00:56:35,044 --> 00:56:37,084 Do you hear his voice, still? 624 00:56:37,084 --> 00:56:40,044 Oh, I can, yes, I can, if you say that, 625 00:56:40,044 --> 00:56:43,040 I can hear it in my head. 626 00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,004 Yeah.His laughter. 627 00:56:46,004 --> 00:56:47,088 Mmm?His laughter? 628 00:56:47,088 --> 00:56:50,032 Oh, yeah. Laughter. Yeah. 629 00:56:50,032 --> 00:56:54,072 His shrieks?Shrieks, yeah! I was going to say shrieks. 630 00:56:54,072 --> 00:56:56,092 Exactly. Yeah. 631 00:56:56,092 --> 00:57:01,096 He loved telling jokes and he loved telling adventures and so on. 632 00:57:01,096 --> 00:57:03,004 His storytelling. 633 00:57:03,004 --> 00:57:07,016 He would go to a party and walk in, 634 00:57:07,016 --> 00:57:09,064 with me trailing behind, 635 00:57:09,064 --> 00:57:13,048 and he would walk straight, and then immediately 636 00:57:13,048 --> 00:57:17,056 he was surrounded, you know, like this, 637 00:57:17,056 --> 00:57:19,084 with people who wanted to talk to him. 638 00:57:19,084 --> 00:57:22,076 He'd go into the house already talking. 639 00:57:22,076 --> 00:57:25,028 Erm, he was a talker. 640 00:57:25,028 --> 00:57:28,028 He was interested in characters, and in stories 641 00:57:28,028 --> 00:57:31,072 and in mimicry, and in, 642 00:57:31,072 --> 00:57:37,052 as you say, these shrieks were... one wanted to bottle them, in a way 643 00:57:37,052 --> 00:57:39,096 because they were both painful and exciting, 644 00:57:39,096 --> 00:57:41,064 and encouraging. 645 00:57:42,060 --> 00:57:44,012 They were... 646 00:57:44,012 --> 00:57:47,044 They were the essence of something. 647 00:57:47,044 --> 00:57:51,008 Yes, I remember his voice and everything when we met 648 00:57:51,008 --> 00:57:54,080 in Melbourne. Pretty much from the airport, 649 00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,056 we started to tell stories to each other. 650 00:57:57,056 --> 00:57:59,088 And it was a marathon, literally 651 00:57:59,088 --> 00:58:03,000 a marathon of two days, two nights. 652 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,096 Of course, we slept in between, five, six hours. 653 00:58:05,096 --> 00:58:09,056 The moment we met at breakfast, he would continue, 654 00:58:09,056 --> 00:58:11,004 I would continue. 655 00:58:11,004 --> 00:58:13,040 Of course, it was hard to squeeze in a story, 656 00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,016 because he was nonstop. 657 00:58:15,016 --> 00:58:20,032 And his way to imitate voices was... 658 00:58:20,032 --> 00:58:24,024 Still in my... I remember one story he told about 659 00:58:24,024 --> 00:58:27,036 interior-of-Australian Aborigines, 660 00:58:27,036 --> 00:58:33,000 a very wealthy American couple arrives in a private plane. 661 00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,064 The wife in high heels takes a photo of an Aborigine 662 00:58:36,064 --> 00:58:38,084 squatting on the ground, an old man. 663 00:58:38,084 --> 00:58:42,084 And he, full of contempt, spits at her feet. 664 00:58:42,084 --> 00:58:45,044 And she immediately noticed she should have asked him 665 00:58:45,044 --> 00:58:51,016 for permission, and apologises, and asks, "Can we give you a gift 666 00:58:51,016 --> 00:58:54,060 "or something, maybe not money, but something practical 667 00:58:54,060 --> 00:58:57,032 "that you can use? What can we send you?" 668 00:58:57,032 --> 00:59:00,052 And the Aborigine, without missing a beat, says... 669 00:59:00,052 --> 00:59:05,000 MIMICKING AMERICAN ACCENT: "Four Toyota pick-up trucks." 670 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,088 That's how Bruce spoke. 671 00:59:08,088 --> 00:59:12,048 And then he would imitate the voice of the woman 672 00:59:12,048 --> 00:59:14,084 who didn't know what to do now. 673 00:59:24,060 --> 00:59:30,008 Back in Patagonia, mountains were not Bruce's terrain. 674 00:59:30,008 --> 00:59:34,064 They were mine, as I had grown up in the mountains of Bavaria. 675 00:59:34,064 --> 00:59:40,000 But his leather rucksack would play an important role here. 676 00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:44,084 He himself had walked with this rucksack for thousands of miles. 677 00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,088 I always drink here. 678 00:59:53,048 --> 00:59:56,028 I made my feature film Scream Of Stone 679 00:59:56,028 --> 01:00:02,012 on Cerro Torre, and the protagonist, as an homage to Bruce Chatwin, 680 01:00:02,012 --> 01:00:04,040 who had died the year before, 681 01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:07,000 carries it throughout the film. 682 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:13,024 At one point during production it would acquire significance for me. 683 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:22,032 Cerro Torre is one of the ultimate challenges for climbers. 684 01:00:22,032 --> 01:00:27,088 Aside from the prohibitive rock faces, it is the raging storms 685 01:00:27,088 --> 01:00:29,072 that pose the danger. 686 01:00:31,064 --> 01:00:38,032 In a way, the film, for me, had to do with the death of Chatwin. 687 01:00:38,032 --> 01:00:45,072 When I saw Bruce, there was only a skeleton and the eyes, 688 01:00:45,072 --> 01:00:47,060 glowing out of a skeleton. 689 01:00:48,088 --> 01:00:52,052 And Elizabeth left and the first thing he said, 690 01:00:52,052 --> 01:00:53,072 "Werner, I'm dying." 691 01:00:55,012 --> 01:00:59,020 And I looked at him and I said, "Bruce, I can see that." 692 01:00:59,020 --> 01:01:02,020 Almost matter-of-fact. 693 01:01:02,020 --> 01:01:03,092 And then he said, 694 01:01:03,092 --> 01:01:07,072 "I want to die now. Help me, help me, help me. 695 01:01:07,072 --> 01:01:10,020 "Can you kill me off somehow?" 696 01:01:10,020 --> 01:01:13,008 And I said to him, 697 01:01:13,008 --> 01:01:15,084 "Do you mean I... 698 01:01:15,084 --> 01:01:17,072 "..I'm going to bash in your head 699 01:01:17,072 --> 01:01:20,052 "with a baseball bat, or do I shoot you?" 700 01:01:21,056 --> 01:01:26,008 And he said, "Maybe some sort of medicine or something?" 701 01:01:26,008 --> 01:01:29,000 I said, "Why don't you talk to Elizabeth?" 702 01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:33,072 "No, I cannot talk about this. She's so Catholic." 703 01:01:33,072 --> 01:01:35,048 And, erm... 704 01:01:36,076 --> 01:01:42,056 ..so my only present to him was not a gun to shoot him, 705 01:01:42,056 --> 01:01:44,044 but I showed him the film. 706 01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:50,040 And he would see ten minutes of it and then lapse into a delirium, 707 01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:54,000 and then see another ten minutes and he would... 708 01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,032 he would all of a sudden come back 709 01:01:57,032 --> 01:01:59,060 and be totally clear, 710 01:01:59,060 --> 01:02:02,080 and he would shout out to me, "I've got to be on the road again, 711 01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,036 "I've got to be on the road again!" 712 01:02:05,036 --> 01:02:09,028 And he looked at his legs, that were only spindles, 713 01:02:09,028 --> 01:02:12,060 and he says, "But my rucksack is too heavy." 714 01:02:12,060 --> 01:02:16,024 And I said, "Bruce, I can carry your rucksack, 715 01:02:16,024 --> 01:02:18,092 "I'm strong enough. I'll come with you." 716 01:02:18,092 --> 01:02:26,016 And then somehow he apparently, after two days, when I was there, 717 01:02:26,016 --> 01:02:30,060 he was embarrassed to die in front of me, 718 01:02:30,060 --> 01:02:34,012 and he said, "Can you please leave?" 719 01:02:34,012 --> 01:02:37,072 And he said, "You must carry..." 720 01:02:42,020 --> 01:02:43,068 Can we show it? 721 01:02:46,032 --> 01:02:48,044 So, that's his rucksack. 722 01:02:48,044 --> 01:02:50,068 Elizabeth, actually going back to England, 723 01:02:50,068 --> 01:02:52,096 it was in England, sent it to me. 724 01:02:52,096 --> 01:02:54,076 And I have used it. 725 01:02:54,076 --> 01:02:56,068 I've used it a lot. 726 01:02:56,068 --> 01:03:01,008 The film carries a mood of precariousness. 727 01:03:01,008 --> 01:03:04,036 Everything can end in sudden death. 728 01:03:04,036 --> 01:03:10,028 Bruce always loved my film Fitzcarraldo, where I actually moved 729 01:03:10,028 --> 01:03:13,000 a big steamboat over a mountain. 730 01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:18,096 He always loved when cinema was authentic in its purest form. 731 01:03:18,096 --> 01:03:23,012 Here, it is obvious that my actor, Stefan Glowacz, 732 01:03:23,012 --> 01:03:26,052 the best freeclimber of his time, 733 01:03:26,052 --> 01:03:29,056 uses no safety devices at all. 734 01:03:29,056 --> 01:03:31,028 He refused everything. 735 01:03:31,028 --> 01:03:34,052 No rope, no carabiners, nothing. 736 01:04:30,004 --> 01:04:33,028 It's cloudy, as always. You know that better than me. 737 01:04:33,028 --> 01:04:36,092 But, you know, for me it's incredible just to sit here 738 01:04:36,092 --> 01:04:39,028 with you, you know? It's a real pleasure. 739 01:04:39,028 --> 01:04:43,008 I'm living here since when you make the movie, in the '90s. 740 01:04:43,008 --> 01:04:46,004 Yes, but I'm not the protagonist. 741 01:04:46,004 --> 01:04:49,072 No, no, no, no. OK. Protagonist is Bruce Chatwin. 742 01:04:49,072 --> 01:04:51,020 His rucksack. 743 01:04:51,020 --> 01:04:52,076 No, but...That's his rucksack. 744 01:04:55,072 --> 01:04:59,072 The production of the film was full of hardships 745 01:04:59,072 --> 01:05:02,024 that became part of the story. 746 01:05:02,024 --> 01:05:05,068 It was the storms that troubled us most. 747 01:05:09,052 --> 01:05:13,096 And after 10, 12 days' pandemonium of storms, 748 01:05:13,096 --> 01:05:15,084 we had a crystal clear light, 749 01:05:15,084 --> 01:05:17,088 a completely blue sky morning. 750 01:05:17,088 --> 01:05:20,044 And I said, we flew up with the helicopter, 751 01:05:20,044 --> 01:05:21,060 it would take weeks 752 01:05:21,060 --> 01:05:22,072 to climb up there. 753 01:05:22,072 --> 01:05:25,024 We flew up in the helicopter, 754 01:05:25,024 --> 01:05:28,020 made the mistake that our reserve 755 01:05:28,020 --> 01:05:30,052 rescue team did not fly first. 756 01:05:30,052 --> 01:05:33,024 The helicopter dropped us and then disappeared. 757 01:05:33,024 --> 01:05:39,012 And then, weather, an incredible storm hit us. 758 01:05:39,012 --> 01:05:43,084 In a minute, my moustache was ice. 759 01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,048 And it was 20 degrees below zero. 760 01:05:47,048 --> 01:05:51,032 And maybe 200-kilometre storm. 761 01:05:51,032 --> 01:05:56,044 Well, we dug a hole into the ice, just like a barrel of wine, 762 01:05:56,044 --> 01:05:58,040 and crawled in and sat there. 763 01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:01,048 And we were 55 hours - 764 01:06:01,048 --> 01:06:05,020 two days, two nights and half a day, 765 01:06:05,020 --> 01:06:07,012 something like that. 766 01:06:07,012 --> 01:06:09,056 And it was storm, storm, white out. 767 01:06:09,056 --> 01:06:13,020 I could not see you at this distance any more. 768 01:06:13,020 --> 01:06:15,032 And no sleeping bags? 769 01:06:15,032 --> 01:06:18,008 Nothing. No tent, no food. 770 01:06:18,008 --> 01:06:22,060 I had two little chocolate bars that I distributed at the beginning. 771 01:06:24,008 --> 01:06:26,004 But, again, it's not that... 772 01:06:26,004 --> 01:06:28,060 I'm not the protagonist, Bruce Chatwin is.No, I know... 773 01:06:28,060 --> 01:06:31,080 Yeah, but you talk something about your rucksack in that moment, 774 01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:36,012 what happened?I sat on the rucksack for all this time. 775 01:06:36,012 --> 01:06:40,064 And it sheltered me, because you lose a lot 776 01:06:40,064 --> 01:06:44,036 of temperature when you sit... On ice.On ice, yeah. 777 01:06:46,068 --> 01:06:51,004 People say, "It saved your life." No, that's nonsense, because the two 778 01:06:51,004 --> 01:06:55,084 others were just sitting on ice as well, and they did not die. 779 01:06:55,084 --> 01:06:59,060 And then they tried to come towards us. 780 01:06:59,060 --> 01:07:01,076 And... That was not possible.No. 781 01:07:01,076 --> 01:07:03,072 Well, they tried. 782 01:07:03,072 --> 01:07:05,096 But they were taken down by an avalanche. 783 01:07:05,096 --> 01:07:10,088 And one of them snapped his finger, and took his gloves off and threw 784 01:07:10,088 --> 01:07:15,020 it in the storm, and asked for the waiter to pay for his cappuccino. 785 01:07:16,052 --> 01:07:19,008 So they had to take him down. 786 01:07:19,008 --> 01:07:23,060 After 55 hours, we saw a bit of the sky. 787 01:07:23,060 --> 01:07:26,076 Our helicopter was able to take us out. 788 01:07:30,064 --> 01:07:36,024 Since then, Bruce's rucksack is more than just a memory of him. 789 01:07:36,024 --> 01:07:40,004 Both Bruce and I explored the world on foot. 790 01:07:40,004 --> 01:07:43,080 I myself, believing in the power of walking, 791 01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:47,088 have travelled on foot from Munich to Paris as a pilgrimage 792 01:07:47,088 --> 01:07:52,088 to save my mentor, Lotte Eisner, from dying. 793 01:07:52,088 --> 01:07:57,012 My diaries of this march were published under the title 794 01:07:57,012 --> 01:08:01,068 of Walking In Ice, and Bruce often carried my book 795 01:08:01,068 --> 01:08:03,076 in his rucksack. 796 01:08:03,076 --> 01:08:07,060 It has a value that you cannot describe. 797 01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:13,072 Bruce always liked my dictum when I said to him, 798 01:08:13,072 --> 01:08:18,028 "The world reveals itself to those who travel on foot." 799 01:08:38,036 --> 01:08:42,056 During our first encounters in Australia, I told Bruce 800 01:08:42,056 --> 01:08:47,008 about my interest to make a feature film based on his book, 801 01:08:47,008 --> 01:08:48,040 The Viceroy of Ouidah. 802 01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:54,024 A Brazilian outlaw steps on the shores of West Africa 803 01:08:54,024 --> 01:08:58,000 and becomes the biggest slave trader of his time. 804 01:09:02,008 --> 01:09:05,044 I got a call from Bruce a year or whatever later. 805 01:09:05,044 --> 01:09:09,016 And he says, "David Bowie wants to buy the rights." 806 01:09:09,016 --> 01:09:13,012 And I said, "My God, no, no, no, not David Bowie. 807 01:09:13,012 --> 01:09:15,088 "I have to do it." And I immediately went into it. 808 01:09:15,088 --> 01:09:20,020 You actually discovered, I think, for the first time, 809 01:09:20,020 --> 01:09:22,020 you discovered this, my screenplay. 810 01:09:22,020 --> 01:09:24,052 This is your screenplay, with Bruce's annotations 811 01:09:24,052 --> 01:09:26,068 all over it. Which he never sent to me! 812 01:09:26,068 --> 01:09:29,008 Never did that, never sent it to me. 813 01:09:29,008 --> 01:09:34,072 Here, you can see there's... even the names have annotations. 814 01:09:34,072 --> 01:09:38,056 Then, for example, here, and... 815 01:09:40,088 --> 01:09:42,060 It's full of annotations! 816 01:09:42,060 --> 01:09:45,064 Do you think they... Would they have helped? 817 01:09:45,064 --> 01:09:47,020 I do not know. 818 01:09:47,020 --> 01:09:48,096 I have not read it. 819 01:09:48,096 --> 01:09:52,036 It's the first time I'm holding this in my life. 820 01:09:52,036 --> 01:09:56,036 First time I have his annotations to my screenplay. 821 01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:01,076 I'm going to read what Bruce writes about you, when he goes out 822 01:10:01,076 --> 01:10:03,012 to watch you film it. 823 01:10:03,012 --> 01:10:08,024 He describes you as "a compendium of contradictions. 824 01:10:08,024 --> 01:10:10,088 "Immensely tough, yet vulnerable. 825 01:10:10,088 --> 01:10:12,056 "Affectionate and remote. 826 01:10:12,056 --> 01:10:14,052 "Austere and sensual. 827 01:10:14,052 --> 01:10:18,008 "Not particularly well adjusted to the strains of everyday life 828 01:10:18,008 --> 01:10:22,004 "but functioning efficiently under extreme conditions. 829 01:10:22,004 --> 01:10:25,052 "He was also the one person with whom I could have a one-to-one 830 01:10:25,052 --> 01:10:27,084 "conversation, on what I would call 831 01:10:27,084 --> 01:10:30,040 "'the sacramental aspect of walking.'" 832 01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:33,064 It sounds like he's treating you as a kind of brother. 833 01:10:33,064 --> 01:10:35,004 In a way, he was. 834 01:10:35,004 --> 01:10:40,008 And you see, he was already so ill that he couldn't travel 835 01:10:40,008 --> 01:10:42,056 when I invited him. 836 01:10:42,056 --> 01:10:45,072 "No, I cannot travel," and then he said, "I am doing 837 01:10:45,072 --> 01:10:49,012 "a little bit better, but I need a wheelchair." 838 01:10:49,012 --> 01:10:51,080 I wrote back to him, "Bruce, a wheelchair 839 01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:55,000 "in the terrain we are filming in is of no help. 840 01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:56,048 "It's too rugged. 841 01:10:56,048 --> 01:11:01,008 "But I will give you four hammockeers and one shadow bearer." 842 01:11:01,008 --> 01:11:05,028 I mean, they had these huge umbrellas, the kings had them carry 843 01:11:05,028 --> 01:11:08,060 and they would wobble around above you. 844 01:11:08,060 --> 01:11:11,064 And that was kind of irresistible for Bruce. 845 01:11:11,064 --> 01:11:14,040 He came and he was in fairly good shape. 846 01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:15,056 And he witnessed... 847 01:11:15,056 --> 01:11:19,048 He was actually walking, never used the hammocks. 848 01:11:19,048 --> 01:11:24,024 He witnessed crazy moments with 800 female warriors. 849 01:11:24,024 --> 01:11:28,092 I mean, we had them for six weeks in military training, 850 01:11:28,092 --> 01:11:30,048 by an Italian stuntman. 851 01:11:30,048 --> 01:11:32,016 It was complete craze! 852 01:11:32,016 --> 01:11:35,072 There was a moment where these ferocious young women, 853 01:11:35,072 --> 01:11:39,028 and they're very, very articulate and very tough, 854 01:11:39,028 --> 01:11:40,092 they were paid a day late. 855 01:11:40,092 --> 01:11:43,044 And there was a near riot. 856 01:11:43,044 --> 01:11:48,072 And there was an incredible outburst by them, and one of the production 857 01:11:48,072 --> 01:11:50,016 guys kicked one of them. 858 01:11:50,016 --> 01:11:53,064 And then, I mean, it went, it became dangerous. 859 01:11:53,064 --> 01:11:55,080 Out of the way! Attack! 860 01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:57,000 Attack! 861 01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:02,020 Bruce mentions the incident in his book, What Am I Doing Here? 862 01:12:02,020 --> 01:12:06,096 He describes me as "a monument of sanity, in a cast 863 01:12:06,096 --> 01:12:09,072 "of nervous breakdowns." 864 01:12:09,072 --> 01:12:14,016 After I had calmed down the mayhem, Bruce writes, 865 01:12:14,016 --> 01:12:19,064 "Werner, exhausted, says to me, 'This was only an arabesque.'" 866 01:12:19,064 --> 01:12:24,020 Bruce describes Klaus Kinski as a kind of adolescent 867 01:12:24,020 --> 01:12:25,052 with long white hair. 868 01:12:25,052 --> 01:12:27,080 And often, after Bruce died, we would think that, 869 01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:29,076 what would he be like had he lived? 870 01:12:29,076 --> 01:12:32,072 And this image of Klaus Kinski in Cobra Verde came to mind. 871 01:12:32,072 --> 01:12:34,064 That he would be a bit like that. 872 01:12:34,064 --> 01:12:37,004 No! Don't let him get away! 873 01:12:37,004 --> 01:12:39,024 Stop him! Hold him! 874 01:12:39,024 --> 01:12:40,068 Stay back. 875 01:12:40,068 --> 01:12:42,092 His wives will strangle him now. Stay back. 876 01:12:49,072 --> 01:12:52,016 Well, Kinski was particularly difficult. 877 01:12:52,016 --> 01:12:55,068 It was our last film, where Kinski was, pretty much, 878 01:12:55,068 --> 01:12:57,008 out of control 879 01:12:57,008 --> 01:13:01,020 and wouldn't do certain things and be violent. 880 01:13:01,020 --> 01:13:05,004 I mean, there was physical violence also, which is impermissible. 881 01:13:05,004 --> 01:13:06,084 Not on my set. 882 01:13:06,084 --> 01:13:08,088 And Bruce witnessed some of it. 883 01:13:08,088 --> 01:13:14,004 Not all, because he stayed for only two, three weeks or so. 884 01:13:14,004 --> 01:13:17,044 Erm, I think he was in awe. 885 01:13:17,044 --> 01:13:19,012 He was awestruck. 886 01:13:19,012 --> 01:13:25,028 A raw power of emotion and vileness. 887 01:13:25,028 --> 01:13:26,032 And... 888 01:13:27,068 --> 01:13:31,088 A character that only exists in novels. 889 01:13:33,028 --> 01:13:38,056 And, of course, he was absolutely delighted that I engaged 890 01:13:38,056 --> 01:13:41,012 a real king, 891 01:13:41,012 --> 01:13:46,072 the king of Ndzain, with his entire 450 people entourage, 892 01:13:46,072 --> 01:13:51,044 his sedan bearers and his shadow bearers, and they would drum 893 01:13:51,044 --> 01:13:55,060 and shake in with him and it's wonderful and Bruce said, 894 01:13:55,060 --> 01:14:00,004 "That's what I had hoped to see, once in my life." 895 01:14:00,004 --> 01:14:03,004 "You made it, and it's going to be in the film. 896 01:14:03,004 --> 01:14:04,096 "This is going to be in the film." 897 01:14:04,096 --> 01:14:08,000 DRUMMING AND CHANTING 898 01:14:26,020 --> 01:14:30,004 There was another king, a minor king of Elmina. 899 01:14:30,004 --> 01:14:34,020 And he was curious about reading Bruce's book, 900 01:14:34,020 --> 01:14:37,068 The Viceroy of Ouidah, so Bruce gave it to him, 901 01:14:37,068 --> 01:14:41,004 and after three days, the king, the other king, 902 01:14:41,004 --> 01:14:42,056 came back to him and... 903 01:14:42,056 --> 01:14:44,012 GUNSHOTS 904 01:14:57,016 --> 01:14:59,052 ..he was... 905 01:14:59,052 --> 01:15:02,060 ..somehow moving his head left, right and sort of looked 906 01:15:02,060 --> 01:15:04,088 at him, and... 907 01:15:04,088 --> 01:15:07,056 ..Bruce said, "Well, then?" 908 01:15:07,056 --> 01:15:12,068 And the king looked at him, and he said, "Mr Chatwin, 909 01:15:12,068 --> 01:15:15,056 "you wrote a roundabout book." 910 01:15:16,060 --> 01:15:17,096 That was all he said. 911 01:15:17,096 --> 01:15:21,032 And Bruce was completely and utterly delighted. 912 01:15:21,032 --> 01:15:24,064 Bruce was very ill when he was in Ghana, 913 01:15:24,064 --> 01:15:28,052 but walking and enjoying himself. 914 01:15:29,052 --> 01:15:35,096 And only later, he really lapsed into the final stage of his illness. 915 01:15:38,024 --> 01:15:42,076 And he was already, I think when I did Lohengrin, 916 01:15:42,076 --> 01:15:46,036 he was still in very good shape. 917 01:15:46,036 --> 01:15:49,036 With his wife, he arrived in Bayreuth, 918 01:15:49,036 --> 01:15:52,020 where I had staged Lohengrin. 919 01:15:52,020 --> 01:15:55,000 He was very good looking. 920 01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:56,028 There's no doubt. 921 01:15:56,028 --> 01:15:58,052 And some women in New York, 922 01:15:58,052 --> 01:16:02,028 who describe him as "alarmingly handsome". 923 01:16:02,028 --> 01:16:04,088 "Alarmingly handsome." 924 01:16:04,088 --> 01:16:07,036 And, of course, for both sexes. 925 01:16:07,036 --> 01:16:10,088 Men and women fell for him. 926 01:16:10,088 --> 01:16:15,000 I, personally, and he says it, I was close and remote. 927 01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:17,012 I always kept a certain distance. 928 01:16:17,012 --> 01:16:19,048 We were very comfortable with that. 929 01:16:19,048 --> 01:16:22,036 I remember one woman, who he had brief liaison with, 930 01:16:22,036 --> 01:16:25,036 she said, "He was out to seduce everything. 931 01:16:25,036 --> 01:16:27,048 "It didn't matter whether you were a man, 932 01:16:27,048 --> 01:16:29,088 "a woman, an ocelot or a tea cosy. 933 01:16:29,088 --> 01:16:32,012 "He wanted to seduce." 934 01:16:32,012 --> 01:16:36,056 I do not care whether somebody is bisexual, 935 01:16:36,056 --> 01:16:38,048 or homosexual or whatever. 936 01:16:38,048 --> 01:16:43,064 It is completely of no consequence for me. Bruce is Bruce. 937 01:16:52,028 --> 01:16:55,040 How complicated was it for you to know that he had 938 01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:57,060 relationship with men? 939 01:16:57,060 --> 01:17:01,008 Not complicated. It wasn't a problem. 940 01:17:01,008 --> 01:17:04,096 I mean, you know, because it didn't actually impinge 941 01:17:04,096 --> 01:17:07,088 on our relationship. 942 01:17:07,088 --> 01:17:10,040 I mean, I really didn't care. 943 01:17:12,056 --> 01:17:16,048 And sometimes he brought them to, for the weekend or something 944 01:17:16,048 --> 01:17:19,080 like that, and they were charming and... 945 01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,048 So what? 946 01:17:21,048 --> 01:17:24,096 I wouldn't dream of divorcing him. 947 01:17:24,096 --> 01:17:27,032 I mean, there was no question about that. 948 01:17:36,072 --> 01:17:41,056 It was still in the early days of Aids when Bruce Chatwin 949 01:17:41,056 --> 01:17:44,020 contracted the virus. 950 01:17:44,020 --> 01:17:48,032 At that time, wider awareness of the dangers 951 01:17:48,032 --> 01:17:50,084 had just started to spread. 952 01:17:55,092 --> 01:18:00,000 He made a pilgrimage to the monks of Mount Athos, 953 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:03,004 and converted to the Greek Orthodox faith. 954 01:18:04,092 --> 01:18:09,008 His ashes are buried next to an Orthodox chapel, 955 01:18:09,008 --> 01:18:12,092 on a promontory overlooking the Aegean Sea. 956 01:18:41,036 --> 01:18:43,052 I remember this place. 957 01:18:43,052 --> 01:18:45,036 We used to sit here 958 01:18:45,036 --> 01:18:47,032 and look out at the garden. 959 01:18:48,036 --> 01:18:52,028 So this was, you know, a very happy place 960 01:18:52,028 --> 01:18:53,032 to come to. 961 01:18:56,052 --> 01:18:59,024 It's very sad that Bruce isn't here. 962 01:19:07,020 --> 01:19:11,096 This is, apparently, the very last lines he ever wrote. 963 01:19:13,096 --> 01:19:17,036 "Christ wore a seamless robe." 964 01:19:17,036 --> 01:19:21,052 "Christ wore a seamless robe." 965 01:19:21,052 --> 01:19:23,016 End of story. 966 01:19:23,016 --> 01:19:24,036 End of story. 967 01:19:24,036 --> 01:19:26,092 Never anything ever written again. 968 01:19:26,092 --> 01:19:30,084 I mean, he dictated, to Elizabeth, but that's the last, 969 01:19:30,084 --> 01:19:34,036 last, last piece of handwriting we have. 970 01:19:38,016 --> 01:19:39,020 OK. 971 01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,056 The book is closed. 972 01:19:54,008 --> 01:19:59,044 While researching the Songlines in Australia, Bruce already knew 973 01:19:59,044 --> 01:20:01,028 he was terminally ill. 974 01:20:03,024 --> 01:20:08,048 The final pages of his book carry the mood of a journey coming 975 01:20:08,048 --> 01:20:09,052 to an end. 976 01:20:12,064 --> 01:20:17,056 He talks about the idea that, when close to death, 977 01:20:17,056 --> 01:20:21,016 some Aboriginal people take a long journey back to the place 978 01:20:21,016 --> 01:20:22,040 of their conception. 979 01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:25,000 And that this... 980 01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:29,080 This, for me, was the central message from the Songlines. 981 01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:34,044 And I think it was a message that held a lot of value for Bruce 982 01:20:34,044 --> 01:20:37,036 at that point. I think he was looking for a way to die. 983 01:20:37,036 --> 01:20:39,084 Which is what I argue in the book, I guess, 984 01:20:39,084 --> 01:20:44,028 is that, like Sartre was looking for a right way to live, 985 01:20:44,028 --> 01:20:46,032 Chatwin was looking for a right way to die. 986 01:20:46,032 --> 01:20:51,008 And I think something about this scene spoke to him 987 01:20:51,008 --> 01:20:53,092 in that way. Otherwise he wouldn't have ended the book like that. 988 01:20:55,092 --> 01:21:01,024 It looks a little bit as if Bruce was describing the death, 989 01:21:01,024 --> 01:21:05,028 the right death, that he himself would like to die. 990 01:21:06,060 --> 01:21:10,056 Can you read the last passage of the book for us, please? 991 01:21:10,056 --> 01:21:13,092 Yes, and I agree with you, I think this is about Bruce 992 01:21:13,092 --> 01:21:15,012 and his death. Yeah. 993 01:21:16,084 --> 01:21:20,068 "As I wrote in my notebooks, the mystics believe the ideal man 994 01:21:20,068 --> 01:21:24,004 "shall walk himself to a right death. 995 01:21:24,004 --> 01:21:27,008 "He who has arrived goes back. 996 01:21:27,008 --> 01:21:30,000 "In Aboriginal Australia, there are specific rules 997 01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:33,004 "for going back, or rather, for singing your way 998 01:21:33,004 --> 01:21:34,072 "to where you belong. 999 01:21:34,072 --> 01:21:36,056 "To your conception site. 1000 01:21:36,056 --> 01:21:40,072 "Only then can you become, or re-become, the ancestor. 1001 01:21:40,072 --> 01:21:45,020 "The concept is quite similar to Heraclitus' mysterious dictum. 1002 01:21:45,020 --> 01:21:48,000 "Mortals and immortals alive in their death, dead 1003 01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:49,052 "in each other's life. 1004 01:21:51,048 --> 01:21:53,012 "Limpy hobbled ahead. 1005 01:21:53,012 --> 01:21:54,080 "We followed on tiptoe. 1006 01:21:54,080 --> 01:22:00,000 "The sky was incandescent and sharp shadows fell across the path. 1007 01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:03,076 "A trickle of water dribbled down the cliff. 1008 01:22:03,076 --> 01:22:06,048 "In a clearing, there were three hospital bedsteads 1009 01:22:06,048 --> 01:22:08,088 "with mesh springs and no mattresses. 1010 01:22:08,088 --> 01:22:11,068 "And on them lay the three dying men. 1011 01:22:11,068 --> 01:22:13,064 "They were almost skeletons. 1012 01:22:13,064 --> 01:22:16,012 "Their beards and hair had gone. 1013 01:22:16,012 --> 01:22:18,020 "One was strong enough to lift an arm, 1014 01:22:18,020 --> 01:22:20,028 "another to say something. 1015 01:22:20,028 --> 01:22:24,056 "When they heard who Limpy was, all three smiled, spontaneously. 1016 01:22:24,056 --> 01:22:26,040 "The same grin. 1017 01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:29,028 "Arkady folded his arms, and watched. 1018 01:22:29,028 --> 01:22:31,048 "'Aren't they wonderful?'" Marion whispered, 1019 01:22:31,048 --> 01:22:33,088 "putting her hand in mine and giving it a squeeze. 1020 01:22:33,088 --> 01:22:36,000 "'Yes, they were all right.'" 1021 01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:39,008 "They knew where they were going, smiling at death in the shade 1022 01:22:39,008 --> 01:22:40,056 "of a ghost gum." 79333

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