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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,180 --> 00:00:01,619 And at least eight dead 2 00:00:01,703 --> 00:00:03,055 at the We Are All from Somewhere Else... 3 00:00:03,139 --> 00:00:06,016 - Can we go any faster? - I'm doing my best, ma'am. 4 00:00:06,101 --> 00:00:09,070 After a gunman opened fire with an automatic weapon. 5 00:00:09,250 --> 00:00:11,344 In addition to the dead, we're receiving reports 6 00:00:11,429 --> 00:00:13,976 of as many as 200 people injured. 7 00:00:14,156 --> 00:00:16,023 Okay, hang on a second! Hang on. 8 00:00:16,116 --> 00:00:18,726 Rapid track! Trauma Bay Four! 9 00:00:19,007 --> 00:00:22,462 Walking wounded needs to be escorted to Station One! 10 00:00:22,547 --> 00:00:23,906 Dr. Kinsey! 11 00:00:24,109 --> 00:00:25,282 I got here as fast as I could. 12 00:00:25,367 --> 00:00:27,609 Dr. Park could really use you in Bay One. 13 00:00:28,468 --> 00:00:29,686 Kinsey, you made it! 14 00:00:29,771 --> 00:00:31,297 I'm taking this one up to the OR. 15 00:00:31,382 --> 00:00:32,422 I need you to jump on 16 00:00:32,507 --> 00:00:33,633 this fellow behind me. 17 00:00:33,718 --> 00:00:35,633 - What do we have? - Ryan Watkins. 18 00:00:35,765 --> 00:00:38,320 Male, lower abdominal gunshot wound. 19 00:00:38,405 --> 00:00:40,071 Next OR should open in ten minutes. 20 00:00:40,156 --> 00:00:41,961 Get started on him as soon as you can. 21 00:00:42,046 --> 00:00:43,047 Will do. 22 00:00:45,655 --> 00:00:47,861 Oh, man, not a lot left to put back together. 23 00:00:47,946 --> 00:00:49,037 Like a river. 24 00:00:49,265 --> 00:00:50,473 How is his pulse? 25 00:00:50,557 --> 00:00:52,226 Last I checked, thready. Barely there. 26 00:00:52,311 --> 00:00:53,352 Dr. Kinsey? 27 00:00:53,436 --> 00:00:54,827 We're losing this patient. 28 00:00:56,570 --> 00:00:57,808 Her oxygen is in the toilet. 29 00:00:57,893 --> 00:00:59,132 She's not getting any air. 30 00:01:00,131 --> 00:01:01,945 Looks like a pneumothorax. 31 00:01:03,518 --> 00:01:05,408 Oh, no. Sounds like she's got blood in her lungs. 32 00:01:05,492 --> 00:01:07,329 Potential hemopneumo. How long has she been like this? 33 00:01:07,413 --> 00:01:08,274 How long has she not been breathing? 34 00:01:08,359 --> 00:01:09,320 I called you the moment I noticed. 35 00:01:09,405 --> 00:01:10,850 Just got a text. The OR is ready. 36 00:01:10,935 --> 00:01:12,156 We got to get going on this guy 37 00:01:12,241 --> 00:01:13,933 or might as well just send him directly to the morgue. 38 00:01:14,017 --> 00:01:15,366 Doctor, we got to go. 39 00:01:21,342 --> 00:01:22,803 You know what a REBOA is? 40 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,273 Heard of it. Never seen it done. 41 00:01:24,358 --> 00:01:25,160 I want to give him one. 42 00:01:25,244 --> 00:01:26,899 It'll stop his bleeding for 20, 30 minutes. 43 00:01:26,983 --> 00:01:28,195 That'll give me a chance to work on her. 44 00:01:28,279 --> 00:01:29,912 That way maybe we can save them both. 45 00:01:30,069 --> 00:01:32,124 Isn't that kind of the definition of a Hail Mary? 46 00:01:32,209 --> 00:01:33,492 I don't know, I'm not into football 47 00:01:33,576 --> 00:01:34,429 and I don't go to church. 48 00:01:34,514 --> 00:01:36,234 I need a REBOA and some chest tubes, stat. 49 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:37,820 You're really going to use a REBOA? 50 00:01:37,904 --> 00:01:39,870 But Dr. Park told you to operate on him now. 51 00:01:39,955 --> 00:01:41,866 I know. But I'm not even sure we can save him. 52 00:01:41,951 --> 00:01:43,309 In fact, the only thing I'm certain of is, 53 00:01:43,393 --> 00:01:44,832 we take the time to get him over to the OR, 54 00:01:44,916 --> 00:01:46,007 we're absolutely losing her. 55 00:01:46,091 --> 00:01:47,226 But what if it doesn't work? 56 00:01:47,310 --> 00:01:48,281 What if we lose them both? 57 00:01:48,366 --> 00:01:49,639 It's going to work. 58 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,874 I think I need to have a quick chat with Dr. Park. 59 00:01:51,958 --> 00:01:54,139 Walk away from that patient, don't bother coming back. 60 00:01:54,584 --> 00:01:56,055 Here's your REBOA and your chest tubes. 61 00:01:56,139 --> 00:01:58,193 Great. Let's make some miracles. 62 00:01:58,631 --> 00:02:00,920 Let's hail some Marys. 63 00:02:07,142 --> 00:02:08,231 Hey. 64 00:02:11,130 --> 00:02:12,616 Ah... 65 00:02:14,006 --> 00:02:15,776 I can't lie. 66 00:02:15,983 --> 00:02:17,748 Feel pretty strange about this. 67 00:02:17,842 --> 00:02:19,649 No. Bull's right. 68 00:02:19,733 --> 00:02:21,170 You need your own office. 69 00:02:21,567 --> 00:02:23,311 I've been a lawyer for a minute and a half. 70 00:02:23,396 --> 00:02:24,612 I can work in the conference room. 71 00:02:24,696 --> 00:02:26,725 I'm happy to work in the conference room. 72 00:02:27,138 --> 00:02:28,554 But you're Benjamin Colón. 73 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,858 Hell, rumor has it that you're running for D.A. 74 00:02:31,951 --> 00:02:33,663 of the greatest city in the world. 75 00:02:35,631 --> 00:02:37,015 You need a place of your own, man. 76 00:02:37,162 --> 00:02:39,421 You need an office where you can hang that law degree 77 00:02:39,506 --> 00:02:40,670 up on the wall. 78 00:02:40,754 --> 00:02:43,151 Well, you've got a law degree. 79 00:02:43,381 --> 00:02:44,544 I certainly do. 80 00:02:44,670 --> 00:02:46,938 And now I'm working towards a wall to hang it on. 81 00:02:47,022 --> 00:02:49,498 Sorry to break up this legal convention, 82 00:02:49,583 --> 00:02:51,065 but the big guy is waiting for you 83 00:02:51,150 --> 00:02:52,733 in the conference room. 84 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,614 I had just finished my rounds at the hospital 85 00:02:55,699 --> 00:02:57,217 about two and a half hours earlier. 86 00:02:57,514 --> 00:02:59,069 I was climbing out of the shower 87 00:02:59,154 --> 00:03:00,462 when one of the ER nurses called 88 00:03:00,547 --> 00:03:02,303 and said they were expecting... 89 00:03:03,364 --> 00:03:05,412 I thought she said hundreds of patients. 90 00:03:05,497 --> 00:03:07,155 But then I thought I must have misheard. 91 00:03:07,502 --> 00:03:08,890 But then she said there was some kind of 92 00:03:08,974 --> 00:03:10,545 mass casualty situation 93 00:03:10,630 --> 00:03:13,026 and they were calling in every off-duty doctor in the area. 94 00:03:13,111 --> 00:03:14,464 It was all hands on deck. 95 00:03:14,908 --> 00:03:16,616 Hmm. How many patients 96 00:03:16,701 --> 00:03:18,706 did Mercy actually receive that night? 97 00:03:19,010 --> 00:03:20,217 Over 200. 98 00:03:20,302 --> 00:03:22,217 All with penetrating gunshot wounds. 99 00:03:22,361 --> 00:03:24,873 And the deceased... Uh, Ryan Watkins... 100 00:03:24,993 --> 00:03:26,491 He was your first patient? 101 00:03:26,576 --> 00:03:27,983 He was supposed to be. 102 00:03:28,272 --> 00:03:29,272 Soon as I got there, 103 00:03:29,357 --> 00:03:31,709 I conferred with Dr. Park, the chief trauma surgeon. 104 00:03:31,980 --> 00:03:34,311 And he was taking another patient up to the OR, 105 00:03:34,396 --> 00:03:36,561 so he told me to get started on Mr. Watkins. 106 00:03:37,202 --> 00:03:38,389 Was there any special reason 107 00:03:38,474 --> 00:03:41,741 why Dr. Park wanted you to operate on Watkins first? 108 00:03:41,991 --> 00:03:44,256 I mean, it sounds like there were plenty of people 109 00:03:44,340 --> 00:03:45,561 needing immediate care. 110 00:03:45,646 --> 00:03:46,910 No. I think 111 00:03:46,995 --> 00:03:48,477 Dr. Park just considered 112 00:03:48,562 --> 00:03:49,897 his injuries the most critical. 113 00:03:50,154 --> 00:03:51,479 But then I saw this woman. 114 00:03:51,564 --> 00:03:52,600 And to my eye, 115 00:03:52,685 --> 00:03:55,264 she was in as equally bad shape as Mr. Watkins. 116 00:03:55,639 --> 00:03:57,269 She had a lot of blood and air in her chest. 117 00:03:57,353 --> 00:03:58,491 Struggling to breathe. 118 00:03:58,576 --> 00:04:01,584 I needed to drain that blood and air fast or we'd lose her. 119 00:04:01,959 --> 00:04:03,834 But if I had operated on him first, 120 00:04:03,919 --> 00:04:05,968 that woman absolutely would have died 121 00:04:06,053 --> 00:04:07,483 while waiting for treatment. 122 00:04:08,407 --> 00:04:10,709 Whereas if I could just keep Mr. Watkins alive 123 00:04:10,794 --> 00:04:13,803 for a half hour, I could definitely save her 124 00:04:14,545 --> 00:04:16,405 and maybe save him, too. 125 00:04:16,631 --> 00:04:18,170 You know, one way, I'm staring at 126 00:04:18,255 --> 00:04:19,912 a likely lose-lose situation. 127 00:04:20,245 --> 00:04:21,592 The other, I was certain 128 00:04:21,677 --> 00:04:23,197 at least one of them was going to live. 129 00:04:23,399 --> 00:04:25,447 That's why you used this REBOA thing? 130 00:04:25,703 --> 00:04:28,311 I'm sorry. What is a REBOA? 131 00:04:28,396 --> 00:04:29,397 It stands for 132 00:04:29,482 --> 00:04:32,748 Resuscitative Endovascular Balloon Occlusion of the Aorta. 133 00:04:33,128 --> 00:04:35,584 It's a kind of internal tourniquet. 134 00:04:35,913 --> 00:04:38,459 A balloon catheter that you position 135 00:04:38,544 --> 00:04:40,763 in a person's aorta to prevent them from bleeding out. 136 00:04:41,772 --> 00:04:43,211 It buys you time. 137 00:04:43,296 --> 00:04:44,518 Which was what I needed. 138 00:04:45,225 --> 00:04:46,670 But it didn't work. 139 00:04:47,217 --> 00:04:49,530 Well, the other patient needed chest tubes. 140 00:04:49,615 --> 00:04:51,539 That should have taken 20 minutes, tops. 141 00:04:51,624 --> 00:04:53,455 But once I got in there, 142 00:04:53,539 --> 00:04:56,067 it was more complicated than I had anticipated. 143 00:04:56,935 --> 00:04:58,303 And by the time I got her stable 144 00:04:58,388 --> 00:04:59,600 and got back to Mr. Watkins, 145 00:04:59,685 --> 00:05:02,601 40, 45 minutes had gone by. 146 00:05:04,928 --> 00:05:06,412 And he-he didn't make it. 147 00:05:07,954 --> 00:05:09,436 I tried, but... 148 00:05:10,991 --> 00:05:12,126 So, the plaintiff, 149 00:05:12,210 --> 00:05:13,967 Mr. Watkins' mother, is saying 150 00:05:14,052 --> 00:05:16,100 that the REBOA should never have been used. 151 00:05:16,388 --> 00:05:18,350 Especially not for 40 minutes. 152 00:05:18,545 --> 00:05:21,657 They are arguing that the REBOA is not even considered 153 00:05:21,741 --> 00:05:22,975 an acceptable standard of care. 154 00:05:23,060 --> 00:05:25,282 I'm not denying it's a controversial technique. 155 00:05:25,367 --> 00:05:27,721 I mean, usually it's only a stop-gap measure 156 00:05:27,806 --> 00:05:29,858 to buy you the ten, 15 minutes it takes 157 00:05:29,954 --> 00:05:32,326 to get a patient into the OR and opened up. 158 00:05:32,924 --> 00:05:34,938 For what it's worth, I've personally made the REBOA work 159 00:05:35,022 --> 00:05:36,548 for up to an hour. 160 00:05:36,686 --> 00:05:37,873 Before I went into trauma, 161 00:05:37,958 --> 00:05:39,592 I was a military medic in Afghanistan, 162 00:05:39,677 --> 00:05:41,412 and I used it there all the time. 163 00:05:41,543 --> 00:05:43,156 Well, it'd be great if we could get someone in 164 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,028 to testify to that... Other than you. 165 00:05:46,022 --> 00:05:48,561 You know, I didn't see your picture on the website. 166 00:05:48,806 --> 00:05:50,202 Ex-Excuse me? 167 00:05:50,569 --> 00:05:53,254 When I was researching the Trial Analysis Corporation. 168 00:05:53,474 --> 00:05:54,788 I remember reading about a lawyer, 169 00:05:54,872 --> 00:05:55,934 but I don't think he was you. 170 00:05:56,018 --> 00:05:57,983 Mr. Palmer has been with the firm 171 00:05:58,068 --> 00:06:00,319 for over five years in a variety of capacities. 172 00:06:00,404 --> 00:06:02,920 He's handled several cases on his own, 173 00:06:03,005 --> 00:06:06,772 but he did just officially pass the bar this last summer. 174 00:06:08,425 --> 00:06:11,639 But do you have any experience in medical malpractice? 175 00:06:11,724 --> 00:06:13,032 This firm has handled hundreds 176 00:06:13,117 --> 00:06:15,506 of medical malpractice cases, and I personally 177 00:06:15,591 --> 00:06:16,871 - have super... - But Mr. Palmer? 178 00:06:17,754 --> 00:06:19,709 This will be my first. 179 00:06:22,491 --> 00:06:24,381 There's another attorney here. 180 00:06:24,466 --> 00:06:26,688 And he has lots of experience in medical... 181 00:06:26,773 --> 00:06:28,039 No. I'm the trial scientist. 182 00:06:28,146 --> 00:06:29,342 I'm the tactician. 183 00:06:29,427 --> 00:06:32,326 And I am telling you he's the one to plead this case. 184 00:06:32,803 --> 00:06:33,951 Now, 185 00:06:34,115 --> 00:06:35,804 if you don't agree with that, there are plenty 186 00:06:35,888 --> 00:06:37,343 of other companies I'm sure you can go to 187 00:06:37,427 --> 00:06:39,213 that would be happy to take your money. 188 00:06:39,459 --> 00:06:41,280 But, Dr. Kinsey, this is a jury trial. 189 00:06:41,365 --> 00:06:42,491 It's six people. 190 00:06:42,599 --> 00:06:43,491 And they're going to decide 191 00:06:43,576 --> 00:06:45,037 whether you're innocent or guilty. 192 00:06:45,193 --> 00:06:46,358 They are going to decide 193 00:06:46,443 --> 00:06:47,666 whether you live the rest of your life 194 00:06:47,750 --> 00:06:50,709 in relative comfort or all-consuming debt. 195 00:06:51,108 --> 00:06:52,936 They're gonna decide whether you get to use 196 00:06:53,021 --> 00:06:55,548 the salutation "Doctor" in front of your name ever again. 197 00:06:56,755 --> 00:06:59,170 The other side is going to bring all kinds of sage, old men 198 00:06:59,255 --> 00:07:02,131 who will offer intimidating and confusing medical testimony. 199 00:07:02,216 --> 00:07:04,319 They'll try and bully their way to a verdict. 200 00:07:04,540 --> 00:07:06,741 Now, here's what I know. 201 00:07:07,113 --> 00:07:08,545 You give people a choice 202 00:07:08,630 --> 00:07:09,920 between something they understand 203 00:07:10,005 --> 00:07:11,836 and something they don't understand, 204 00:07:11,978 --> 00:07:13,256 they will almost always lean 205 00:07:13,341 --> 00:07:15,334 in the direction of the thing they understand. 206 00:07:15,681 --> 00:07:17,201 This case isn't about medicine. 207 00:07:17,286 --> 00:07:18,999 It's about being able to talk to six people. 208 00:07:19,083 --> 00:07:21,741 Being able to put them in your shoes 209 00:07:21,826 --> 00:07:24,222 when you had to make the decisions you had to make. 210 00:07:25,092 --> 00:07:26,405 And I'm telling you, 211 00:07:26,727 --> 00:07:28,264 this is the man for the job. 212 00:07:30,633 --> 00:07:31,819 Now... 213 00:07:32,302 --> 00:07:34,217 are we going to court or not? 214 00:07:35,689 --> 00:07:37,190 *BULL (2016)* Season 05 Episode 06 215 00:07:37,275 --> 00:07:38,822 Episode Title: "To Save a Life" Aired on: January 18, 2021 216 00:07:38,907 --> 00:07:41,067 Captioned by Media Access Group at WGBH access.wgbh.org 217 00:07:41,171 --> 00:07:43,096 Synchronized by srjanapala 218 00:07:43,706 --> 00:07:45,565 I appreciate your confidence in me. 219 00:07:46,846 --> 00:07:48,192 It's no big deal. 220 00:07:48,408 --> 00:07:49,737 I meant what I said. 221 00:07:49,822 --> 00:07:51,666 I think you're the right man for the job. 222 00:07:52,802 --> 00:07:54,807 I think the jurors are going to appreciate 223 00:07:55,057 --> 00:07:57,072 being talked to by someone like them. 224 00:07:57,157 --> 00:07:59,466 Someone who doesn't 225 00:07:59,551 --> 00:08:01,830 eat, sleep and drink medical malpractice. 226 00:08:01,915 --> 00:08:03,034 Someone who's just trying to figure out 227 00:08:03,118 --> 00:08:04,383 what really happened here. 228 00:08:05,291 --> 00:08:06,541 So, voir dire. 229 00:08:06,626 --> 00:08:08,182 You have any thoughts? 230 00:08:08,564 --> 00:08:10,385 So, in a perfect world, 231 00:08:10,994 --> 00:08:12,729 we would love to be talking to people 232 00:08:12,814 --> 00:08:14,839 who are at least willing to entertain the idea 233 00:08:14,924 --> 00:08:18,596 that Dr. Kinsey, finding herself in an impossible situation, 234 00:08:18,681 --> 00:08:20,686 made the best decisions she could... 235 00:08:20,771 --> 00:08:23,643 if not to save every life, then to save most lives. 236 00:08:25,183 --> 00:08:27,917 It really is a case study in lifeboat ethics. 237 00:08:28,002 --> 00:08:29,127 It is funny. 238 00:08:29,212 --> 00:08:30,651 Not one press report I've read 239 00:08:30,753 --> 00:08:32,229 mentions that Dr. Kinsey saved 240 00:08:32,314 --> 00:08:34,205 five other lives that day. 241 00:08:34,757 --> 00:08:37,111 Truth is, our client's a hero. 242 00:08:37,283 --> 00:08:38,432 The jury needs to hear that. 243 00:08:38,517 --> 00:08:40,911 And they need to hear it during voir dire. 244 00:08:42,150 --> 00:08:45,393 Everybody here know who Sully Sullenberger is? 245 00:08:45,955 --> 00:08:47,033 Yeah. 246 00:08:47,118 --> 00:08:49,993 He's the pilot who landed the plane on the Hudson River. 247 00:08:50,077 --> 00:08:51,244 That's him. 248 00:08:51,329 --> 00:08:53,508 Man behind the "Miracle on the Hudson." 249 00:08:53,746 --> 00:08:55,963 A hero. Right? 250 00:08:56,562 --> 00:08:59,698 Anybody remember why he had to land that plane on the river? 251 00:08:59,782 --> 00:09:00,838 Yes. 252 00:09:00,923 --> 00:09:02,799 The plane hit some birds, I think. 253 00:09:02,916 --> 00:09:04,150 Yes, it did. 254 00:09:04,271 --> 00:09:07,416 And it put that man in an impossible situation. 255 00:09:07,838 --> 00:09:09,619 Air traffic control had already ordered him 256 00:09:09,704 --> 00:09:10,708 back to the airport. 257 00:09:10,961 --> 00:09:12,549 He was convinced he wouldn't make it. 258 00:09:12,730 --> 00:09:14,510 So he improvised 259 00:09:14,610 --> 00:09:16,833 and decided to attempt a water landing. 260 00:09:16,994 --> 00:09:18,510 Didn't ask for permission. 261 00:09:19,193 --> 00:09:20,299 No time. 262 00:09:20,588 --> 00:09:22,330 He just did it. 263 00:09:22,714 --> 00:09:26,939 And managed to save every passenger on that plane. 264 00:09:27,071 --> 00:09:29,076 A hero... right? 265 00:09:29,541 --> 00:09:31,244 Juror 21. 266 00:09:31,329 --> 00:09:33,260 It says here that you were a police officer. 267 00:09:33,721 --> 00:09:35,447 How do you feel about that? 268 00:09:35,532 --> 00:09:37,624 The man was given an order and he defied it. 269 00:09:37,883 --> 00:09:39,163 Oh, I think everything worked out 270 00:09:39,257 --> 00:09:40,565 the way it was supposed to. 271 00:09:40,780 --> 00:09:42,494 The man was declared a hero. 272 00:09:42,885 --> 00:09:44,252 They made a movie out of it. 273 00:09:44,337 --> 00:09:46,048 He was played by Tom Hanks. 274 00:09:46,133 --> 00:09:48,400 I don't think it gets any better than that. 275 00:09:48,701 --> 00:09:50,525 Ground control to Major Tom? 276 00:09:50,610 --> 00:09:52,006 Diana Merrick. 277 00:09:52,091 --> 00:09:53,596 Former NYPD. 278 00:09:53,681 --> 00:09:54,955 Took an early retirement 279 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:56,480 after getting injured on the job. 280 00:09:56,565 --> 00:09:57,432 Injured how? 281 00:09:57,517 --> 00:09:59,330 Suspect stabbed her during an arrest 282 00:09:59,415 --> 00:10:02,205 and then she apparently took him down with a fire extinguisher. 283 00:10:02,323 --> 00:10:03,705 Hit him with it. 284 00:10:03,869 --> 00:10:05,299 A woman of action. 285 00:10:05,416 --> 00:10:06,809 That's our kind of girl. 286 00:10:07,361 --> 00:10:10,479 Your Honor, juror 21 is acceptable to the defense. 287 00:10:11,181 --> 00:10:12,619 Nice work, Counselor. 288 00:10:13,317 --> 00:10:14,596 We make a pretty good team. 289 00:10:14,681 --> 00:10:17,283 Well, all I'm doing is following your lead. 290 00:10:17,686 --> 00:10:20,338 Like I said, we make a pretty good team. 291 00:10:34,365 --> 00:10:35,500 There he is. 292 00:10:35,607 --> 00:10:37,394 Oh, hustler, hustler. 293 00:10:38,252 --> 00:10:40,755 Survived your first day on the medical malpractice beat? 294 00:10:40,979 --> 00:10:42,979 Other side threw in the towel. Gave up. 295 00:10:43,064 --> 00:10:44,715 Offered to pay us money to go away. 296 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,760 - Ooh. You are knee-deep now. - Yeah. 297 00:10:47,845 --> 00:10:49,458 Keep shoveling. 298 00:10:49,631 --> 00:10:50,766 Bull know you're here? 299 00:10:50,850 --> 00:10:52,666 Nah, but so what? 300 00:10:53,001 --> 00:10:57,182 Actually, I came by to tell you I think I'm good. 301 00:10:57,799 --> 00:10:59,166 Okay. 302 00:10:59,408 --> 00:11:00,838 So tell me about tomorrow. 303 00:11:00,994 --> 00:11:02,563 Opening statements. 304 00:11:02,648 --> 00:11:05,567 Plaintiffs are gonna say that my client made a bad decision 305 00:11:05,652 --> 00:11:07,092 she had no right to make, 306 00:11:07,338 --> 00:11:08,864 and I'm gonna tell them about a woman 307 00:11:08,949 --> 00:11:11,260 who found herself in the middle of a perfect storm, 308 00:11:11,937 --> 00:11:13,420 made the best choices she could, 309 00:11:13,568 --> 00:11:14,964 and saved five lives. 310 00:11:15,431 --> 00:11:17,423 - First witness? - Dr. Park. 311 00:11:17,619 --> 00:11:19,707 Now, he's gonna testify that he told her to operate 312 00:11:19,792 --> 00:11:21,385 on the plaintiff first. 313 00:11:21,794 --> 00:11:23,010 I'm gonna try to imply 314 00:11:23,095 --> 00:11:24,752 that it was actually he who was derelict, 315 00:11:24,837 --> 00:11:27,010 since he clearly didn't consider thoroughly 316 00:11:27,095 --> 00:11:29,448 the conditions of the other patients in the trauma bay. 317 00:11:29,695 --> 00:11:30,822 Sounds smart. 318 00:11:31,127 --> 00:11:32,486 Why, thank you, sir. 319 00:11:33,164 --> 00:11:34,392 I'm gonna go. 320 00:11:35,795 --> 00:11:37,736 Just beware of the bank shot. 321 00:11:39,497 --> 00:11:40,716 Come again? 322 00:11:47,436 --> 00:11:48,959 - Damn. - No, no. 323 00:11:50,231 --> 00:11:51,604 Oh, yeah. 324 00:11:52,731 --> 00:11:53,955 The bank shot. 325 00:11:55,808 --> 00:11:57,994 So you think you know why the plaintiff 326 00:11:58,079 --> 00:12:01,338 is calling a witness, and y-you may be right. 327 00:12:02,175 --> 00:12:05,658 But a lot of the time, the other side 328 00:12:05,743 --> 00:12:08,479 will call a witness with a whole other purpose entirely. 329 00:12:08,734 --> 00:12:10,000 The witness will say everything 330 00:12:10,116 --> 00:12:11,816 you expect him to say, but then, 331 00:12:11,901 --> 00:12:13,986 just at the last minute, boom, 332 00:12:14,254 --> 00:12:16,611 he'll throw a whole new fact pattern out there. 333 00:12:17,584 --> 00:12:18,643 Bank shot. 334 00:12:20,427 --> 00:12:22,424 - So what do I do? - Two things. 335 00:12:22,599 --> 00:12:24,010 One, do your best. 336 00:12:24,132 --> 00:12:26,221 Two, stop saying you're good. 337 00:12:26,799 --> 00:12:28,900 You shouldn't be good until this is all over. 338 00:12:28,985 --> 00:12:31,119 And then, only if you've won. 339 00:12:32,487 --> 00:12:33,939 Stay scared, Chunk. 340 00:12:35,505 --> 00:12:37,494 Bank shots can come out of nowhere. 341 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,395 Let's talk about the evening of the shooting. 342 00:12:40,479 --> 00:12:42,455 How soon after you got the call 343 00:12:42,540 --> 00:12:44,922 did you have someone reach out to Dr. Kinsey 344 00:12:45,007 --> 00:12:47,322 and ask her to return to the hospital? 345 00:12:47,599 --> 00:12:49,691 I believe it was within minutes. 346 00:12:50,212 --> 00:12:53,557 And when she arrived, did you tell Dr. Kinsey to take 347 00:12:53,642 --> 00:12:56,192 Mr. Watkins up to the OR for surgery 348 00:12:56,277 --> 00:12:58,543 as soon as a room became available? 349 00:12:58,634 --> 00:13:01,252 - I did. - And even though 350 00:13:01,337 --> 00:13:04,759 she received that directive from you, her superior, 351 00:13:04,846 --> 00:13:08,415 that's not what Dr. Kinsey did, is it? 352 00:13:08,944 --> 00:13:11,040 - No. - Now, you mentioned 353 00:13:11,125 --> 00:13:13,485 that Dr. Kinsey decided to deploy 354 00:13:13,601 --> 00:13:14,587 a REBOA. 355 00:13:14,672 --> 00:13:16,155 Had you been consulted, 356 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,086 would you have approved of this decision? 357 00:13:18,171 --> 00:13:19,603 No, I would not. 358 00:13:20,691 --> 00:13:24,978 In my 27 years, I've actually never used a REBOA. 359 00:13:25,543 --> 00:13:27,978 As far as I know, the mainstream medical community 360 00:13:28,063 --> 00:13:32,723 has still not reached a decision as to when, where or even if 361 00:13:32,823 --> 00:13:34,251 the REBOA should be used. 362 00:13:34,386 --> 00:13:36,814 It comes with a slew of complications 363 00:13:36,899 --> 00:13:38,595 and high mortality rates. 364 00:13:38,680 --> 00:13:41,940 Are you surprised the use of the REBOA resulted 365 00:13:42,025 --> 00:13:43,422 in Ryan Watkins' death? 366 00:13:43,927 --> 00:13:45,868 - No. - No further questions 367 00:13:45,953 --> 00:13:47,337 for this witness, Your Honor. 368 00:13:49,747 --> 00:13:52,663 I'm not a doctor, but I sense we're bleeding out here. 369 00:13:54,048 --> 00:13:55,617 Before I begin my questioning, 370 00:13:55,702 --> 00:13:57,012 I'd just like to thank you, Dr. Park, 371 00:13:57,096 --> 00:13:59,667 you and the entire Mercy Hospital team, 372 00:13:59,752 --> 00:14:02,410 for all of your hard work during that awful night. 373 00:14:02,585 --> 00:14:03,650 Thank you. 374 00:14:03,817 --> 00:14:06,961 Now, you testified that mere minutes after receiving 375 00:14:07,046 --> 00:14:08,657 the call about the mass shooting, 376 00:14:08,749 --> 00:14:11,276 you directed someone to call Dr. Kinsey 377 00:14:11,361 --> 00:14:13,063 and see if she'd be able to come back to work. 378 00:14:13,147 --> 00:14:15,882 Yes. Even though she just finished a 12-hour shift. 379 00:14:15,967 --> 00:14:17,058 Yes. 380 00:14:17,143 --> 00:14:18,887 You must hold her in pretty high regard, 381 00:14:18,971 --> 00:14:20,048 wouldn't you say? 382 00:14:20,886 --> 00:14:22,134 I suppose so. 383 00:14:22,219 --> 00:14:25,312 In fact, you hired her, didn't you? 384 00:14:25,562 --> 00:14:27,759 I was among the people on the committee 385 00:14:27,844 --> 00:14:30,110 that weighed in on her hiring, yes. 386 00:14:30,384 --> 00:14:33,597 I think it stands to reason that at some point 387 00:14:33,845 --> 00:14:37,017 you had a high degree of faith in Dr. Kinsey's decision-making. 388 00:14:37,102 --> 00:14:38,032 Wouldn't you say? 389 00:14:38,117 --> 00:14:40,306 And it's Chunk Palmer on the 20. 390 00:14:42,337 --> 00:14:43,486 I'm waiting for an answer, Dr. Park. 391 00:14:43,570 --> 00:14:45,478 Objection, Your Honor. Relevance. 392 00:14:45,563 --> 00:14:48,446 This trial is not about why Dr. Kinsey was hired. 393 00:14:48,531 --> 00:14:50,728 It is about why she did what she did 394 00:14:50,813 --> 00:14:54,696 after being given specific instructions by her superior. 395 00:14:54,819 --> 00:14:56,998 Objection sustained. Ask another question, 396 00:14:57,121 --> 00:14:58,439 Counselor. 397 00:14:58,693 --> 00:15:01,090 Situations like this, a-a mass shooting, 398 00:15:01,285 --> 00:15:02,603 are fast-moving 399 00:15:02,688 --> 00:15:04,345 - and fluid, aren't they? - Of course. 400 00:15:04,438 --> 00:15:07,040 And so, as patients are moved from EMS 401 00:15:07,125 --> 00:15:10,218 to emergency room doctors to trauma surgeons, 402 00:15:10,519 --> 00:15:14,009 quite often their condition changes rapidly, doesn't it? 403 00:15:14,094 --> 00:15:15,126 That's correct. 404 00:15:15,211 --> 00:15:17,204 And am I safe in assuming that, ideally, 405 00:15:17,289 --> 00:15:20,814 you would want them to be reassessed as often as possible? 406 00:15:20,899 --> 00:15:22,275 Of course. So, 407 00:15:22,444 --> 00:15:24,735 the night that you decided that Mr. Watkins 408 00:15:24,906 --> 00:15:27,579 should be operated on prior to anyone else, 409 00:15:27,736 --> 00:15:30,860 isn't it possible that while that was the right decision 410 00:15:31,022 --> 00:15:34,115 when you made it, it might not have been the right decision 411 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:35,813 five or ten minutes later? 412 00:15:36,178 --> 00:15:37,634 And isn't it possible 413 00:15:37,719 --> 00:15:39,282 that on Dr. Kinsey's subsequent, 414 00:15:39,367 --> 00:15:41,181 more thorough examination, 415 00:15:41,266 --> 00:15:43,767 and faced with two critically wounded patients, 416 00:15:43,852 --> 00:15:46,735 she could reasonably disagree with your assessment? 417 00:15:46,862 --> 00:15:48,704 She lost a patient. 418 00:15:48,789 --> 00:15:52,642 If she had done what you told her, she could have lost two. 419 00:15:52,734 --> 00:15:54,962 - Bingo. - Objection, Your Honor. 420 00:15:55,047 --> 00:15:57,062 Counsel is testifying. 421 00:15:57,260 --> 00:15:59,396 Objection sustained. The jury will disregard 422 00:15:59,481 --> 00:16:00,816 counsel's last statement. 423 00:16:00,901 --> 00:16:02,902 It's already forever burned in their brains. 424 00:16:02,987 --> 00:16:04,296 Mr. Palmer? 425 00:16:04,381 --> 00:16:06,951 You do know the difference between a question 426 00:16:07,036 --> 00:16:08,676 and a statement, don't you? 427 00:16:08,761 --> 00:16:09,652 You bet he does. 428 00:16:09,737 --> 00:16:11,621 I do, Your Honor, and I apologize 429 00:16:11,713 --> 00:16:14,457 to the court and to the jury and the witness. 430 00:16:14,542 --> 00:16:16,066 Your apology's accepted. 431 00:16:16,427 --> 00:16:18,785 You get one, Mr. Palmer. 432 00:16:19,642 --> 00:16:21,473 Any more questions for this witness? 433 00:16:21,558 --> 00:16:22,973 Not at this time, Your Honor. 434 00:16:24,452 --> 00:16:26,020 Permission to redirect? 435 00:16:26,365 --> 00:16:28,152 Go ahead, Ms. Grossman. 436 00:16:28,448 --> 00:16:29,832 Now, Dr. Park, 437 00:16:29,917 --> 00:16:32,809 this isn't the first time that Dr. Kinsey has gone rogue 438 00:16:32,894 --> 00:16:34,801 while on your watch, is it? 439 00:16:34,886 --> 00:16:37,434 No, it is not. 440 00:16:37,958 --> 00:16:39,876 Could you elaborate for us, please? 441 00:16:39,961 --> 00:16:41,832 It was three months or so 442 00:16:41,917 --> 00:16:43,661 after Dr. Kinsey joined our staff. 443 00:16:43,746 --> 00:16:46,168 We had a patient, a car crash victim. 444 00:16:46,619 --> 00:16:50,626 Upon examination we realized she had cirrhosis... liver disease... 445 00:16:50,725 --> 00:16:52,077 And had developed ascites, 446 00:16:52,162 --> 00:16:55,645 essentially an accumulation of fluid in the abdomen 447 00:16:55,730 --> 00:16:59,895 which can cause kidney or liver failure if left untreated. 448 00:17:00,154 --> 00:17:02,725 And you had Dr. Kinsey work on this patient? 449 00:17:02,810 --> 00:17:06,855 Yes. A common procedure is to drain the fluid 450 00:17:06,944 --> 00:17:09,689 through what's called therapeutic paracentesis. 451 00:17:09,820 --> 00:17:12,801 You have to very carefully hold a needle 452 00:17:12,893 --> 00:17:14,512 while the fluid drains. 453 00:17:14,597 --> 00:17:18,980 If the patient moves or if the needle slips, 454 00:17:19,065 --> 00:17:22,246 it could puncture the liver, causing internal bleeding. 455 00:17:22,457 --> 00:17:25,593 And so you had Dr. Kinsey perform this procedure? 456 00:17:25,678 --> 00:17:26,926 That's correct. 457 00:17:27,011 --> 00:17:28,537 But apparently, there was 458 00:17:28,622 --> 00:17:31,254 an urgent situation down the hall, 459 00:17:31,693 --> 00:17:33,524 and instead of stopping the procedure 460 00:17:33,609 --> 00:17:37,465 and pulling the needle out to go and attend to the problem, 461 00:17:37,900 --> 00:17:41,733 Dr. Kinsey decided to tape the needle in place, 462 00:17:41,818 --> 00:17:44,650 I suppose hoping that it would auto-drain 463 00:17:44,735 --> 00:17:46,809 while she was off assisting down the hall. 464 00:17:46,894 --> 00:17:48,723 Is that something that's recommended 465 00:17:48,808 --> 00:17:50,465 while performing this procedure? 466 00:17:50,586 --> 00:17:52,293 No. Absolutely not. 467 00:17:52,508 --> 00:17:54,600 You never leave a sharp instrument 468 00:17:54,685 --> 00:17:56,762 sticking out of a patient unattended. 469 00:17:56,847 --> 00:17:58,852 Luckily, I came by to check on the procedure. 470 00:17:58,937 --> 00:18:01,410 I pulled the needle, preserving the patient's safety, 471 00:18:01,495 --> 00:18:04,309 and had a very long talk with Dr. Kinsey. 472 00:18:04,394 --> 00:18:09,473 The thing is, it was clever, but not responsible medicine. 473 00:18:10,062 --> 00:18:11,449 So, 474 00:18:12,247 --> 00:18:14,785 it appears that Dr. Kinsey has a history 475 00:18:14,870 --> 00:18:17,770 of maverick medical procedures that risk patient health. 476 00:18:17,855 --> 00:18:19,686 Objection. Counsel is testifying. 477 00:18:19,778 --> 00:18:21,629 Rephrase, Ms. Grossman. 478 00:18:21,714 --> 00:18:23,241 I'll withdraw the statement. 479 00:18:23,839 --> 00:18:25,473 No further questions. 480 00:18:31,452 --> 00:18:33,121 Where the hell did that come from? 481 00:18:33,817 --> 00:18:34,996 Bank shot. 482 00:18:37,028 --> 00:18:38,482 You have to understand. From my perspective, 483 00:18:38,566 --> 00:18:40,121 it was a nonevent. 484 00:18:40,402 --> 00:18:43,239 The woman's abdomen was draining just fine and I was attending 485 00:18:43,324 --> 00:18:44,380 to another patient. 486 00:18:44,697 --> 00:18:45,880 Dr. Park came by, 487 00:18:45,965 --> 00:18:47,287 and I wasn't doing it the way he would do it, 488 00:18:47,371 --> 00:18:50,090 but that doesn't mean I was doing it improperly. 489 00:18:50,512 --> 00:18:52,036 I don't mean to cast aspersions, 490 00:18:52,121 --> 00:18:55,427 but Park, he's the kind of guy who's gonna keep making his bed 491 00:18:55,512 --> 00:18:58,496 until it's absolutely perfect, even when the house is on fire. 492 00:18:58,815 --> 00:19:01,013 Be that as it may, the plaintiff's attorney 493 00:19:01,098 --> 00:19:03,083 has already planted it in the jury's mind 494 00:19:03,168 --> 00:19:05,699 that you're some kind of rebel doctor, 495 00:19:05,784 --> 00:19:07,918 willing to compromise your patient's well-being 496 00:19:08,003 --> 00:19:10,396 for the satisfaction of doing it your way. 497 00:19:10,644 --> 00:19:11,753 Do you know 498 00:19:11,838 --> 00:19:13,408 a Dr. Kendra Collier? 499 00:19:14,245 --> 00:19:15,683 Name rings a bell. 500 00:19:16,091 --> 00:19:18,968 Uh, maybe the military? Maybe Afghanistan? 501 00:19:19,053 --> 00:19:20,824 Well, she's on this revised witness list 502 00:19:20,908 --> 00:19:23,000 and is first up to testify tomorrow. 503 00:19:23,877 --> 00:19:24,974 Sorry. 504 00:19:25,448 --> 00:19:28,621 In case it jogs your memory, she is a critical care physician 505 00:19:28,706 --> 00:19:30,024 out of San Antonio? 506 00:19:30,753 --> 00:19:32,200 Never been to San Antonio. 507 00:19:32,284 --> 00:19:33,277 Okay, how's this? 508 00:19:33,362 --> 00:19:35,636 From 2004 to 2009, she worked 509 00:19:35,721 --> 00:19:37,944 at Landstuhl Regional Medical Facility in Germany. 510 00:19:38,029 --> 00:19:40,270 Okay. Military doctor, I got that part right, 511 00:19:40,355 --> 00:19:42,006 but I never served in Germany. 512 00:19:42,108 --> 00:19:43,797 So you have no clue why they're calling her 513 00:19:43,881 --> 00:19:45,014 to testify? 514 00:19:45,099 --> 00:19:48,194 Uh, San Antonio to New York City is a pretty pricy plane ticket. 515 00:19:48,553 --> 00:19:49,913 There's got to be a reason that they're willing 516 00:19:49,997 --> 00:19:51,390 to go to so much trouble. 517 00:19:52,368 --> 00:19:54,279 I'm sorry. I don't know who she is. 518 00:19:55,106 --> 00:19:57,834 Well, I guess we will all find out tomorrow. 519 00:20:01,229 --> 00:20:02,662 We making a stop? 520 00:20:02,819 --> 00:20:04,944 I asked Benny to join us. 521 00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:06,654 He's gonna sit with me in the gallery. 522 00:20:06,748 --> 00:20:09,350 I need an extra set of eyes and ears. 523 00:20:13,194 --> 00:20:14,365 Morning, fellas. 524 00:20:14,467 --> 00:20:17,081 Well, isn't this a nice surprise? 525 00:20:17,321 --> 00:20:19,390 I was just reading about you in the newspaper here. 526 00:20:19,475 --> 00:20:20,596 At least I think it's you. 527 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,452 The way they spelled your name made it sound 528 00:20:22,537 --> 00:20:24,647 like you're a part of somebody's digestive system. 529 00:20:24,858 --> 00:20:26,178 "Benny Colon." 530 00:20:28,488 --> 00:20:31,451 Seriously, man, congratulations. You got my vote. 531 00:20:31,536 --> 00:20:34,394 Yeah, that's just 'cause you want your old office back. 532 00:20:35,042 --> 00:20:37,037 So you made the announcement last night? 533 00:20:37,262 --> 00:20:39,179 Not me, personally, but yeah. 534 00:20:39,264 --> 00:20:40,826 It's finally out there. 535 00:20:41,135 --> 00:20:43,352 I think they were afraid if they didn't announce it soon, 536 00:20:43,436 --> 00:20:45,578 I was going to change my mind. 537 00:20:45,662 --> 00:20:47,006 Dr. Collier, 538 00:20:47,091 --> 00:20:49,662 the defendant, Dr. Kinsey, in her deposition, claims 539 00:20:49,747 --> 00:20:54,237 that she successfully deployed a REBOA for over one hour 540 00:20:54,322 --> 00:20:58,546 in a Colonel Mark Winston during her service in Afghanistan. 541 00:20:58,631 --> 00:21:00,288 Now, you were part 542 00:21:00,373 --> 00:21:02,023 of the treatment team at Landstuhl 543 00:21:02,108 --> 00:21:04,248 - for that same soldier, correct? - Correct. 544 00:21:04,332 --> 00:21:07,208 Can you tell us about Colonel Winston's injuries? 545 00:21:07,717 --> 00:21:11,038 Winston's unit was hit with an improvised explosive device 546 00:21:11,122 --> 00:21:12,431 in Afghanistan. 547 00:21:12,515 --> 00:21:14,476 He suffered massive abdominal wounds 548 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,305 and had to be transferred to the Kandahar base for surgery, 549 00:21:17,389 --> 00:21:19,639 and then to us in Landstuhl for further treatment. 550 00:21:19,869 --> 00:21:22,476 He survived the transports, but died in our care 551 00:21:22,561 --> 00:21:23,659 eight days later. 552 00:21:23,743 --> 00:21:24,878 Oh, no... 553 00:21:25,139 --> 00:21:27,279 Were his wounds just too severe? 554 00:21:27,364 --> 00:21:30,537 His wounds were very severe. But that's not what killed him. 555 00:21:31,053 --> 00:21:33,256 Well, then, what did? 556 00:21:33,473 --> 00:21:35,478 Well, as you mentioned, the medical team 557 00:21:35,563 --> 00:21:37,539 who performed the initial transport in Afghanistan, 558 00:21:37,623 --> 00:21:39,678 the one supervised by Dr. Kinsey, 559 00:21:39,763 --> 00:21:43,857 used a REBOA to keep the colonel from hemorrhaging during flight. 560 00:21:44,105 --> 00:21:47,068 Unfortunately, the transport took an hour, 561 00:21:47,223 --> 00:21:50,459 and that's a long time to cut off someone's blood supply. 562 00:21:50,650 --> 00:21:53,194 So you're saying it was the REBOA 563 00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:55,458 that led to Colonel Winston's death? 564 00:21:55,593 --> 00:21:57,069 Essentially, yes. 565 00:21:57,154 --> 00:21:59,172 The REBOA pretty much killed his legs, 566 00:21:59,257 --> 00:22:01,834 and Winston ultimately died of sepsis. 567 00:22:01,919 --> 00:22:03,055 But this didn't happen 568 00:22:03,139 --> 00:22:05,358 in the case of Ryan Watkins, did it? 569 00:22:05,443 --> 00:22:08,014 Same cause, different complication. 570 00:22:08,302 --> 00:22:11,209 In Mr. Watkins' case, it wasn't his legs, 571 00:22:11,443 --> 00:22:13,217 but the end result was the same. 572 00:22:13,302 --> 00:22:17,299 So, in your professional opinion, was it reasonable 573 00:22:17,384 --> 00:22:21,499 for Dr. Kinsey to assume that she could successfully deploy 574 00:22:21,584 --> 00:22:24,833 a REBOA for such a lengthy period of time 575 00:22:24,918 --> 00:22:27,669 in either Colonel Winston or, for that matter, 576 00:22:27,754 --> 00:22:29,973 in the case of Ryan Watkins? 577 00:22:30,622 --> 00:22:31,739 No. 578 00:22:31,942 --> 00:22:34,904 You just can't keep it in that long and expect it to work. 579 00:22:35,394 --> 00:22:36,942 No further questions. 580 00:22:37,294 --> 00:22:39,081 Your witness, Mr. Palmer. 581 00:22:39,166 --> 00:22:41,171 Ask the judge for a short recess. 582 00:22:41,442 --> 00:22:43,391 I think the two of us should confer with Benny. 583 00:22:43,614 --> 00:22:44,911 I got this. 584 00:22:46,958 --> 00:22:50,529 Okay, I just listened to your testimony, Dr. Collier, 585 00:22:50,684 --> 00:22:53,473 and I have to tell you I'm a little confused. 586 00:22:53,558 --> 00:22:54,918 Let me see if I can't help you, then. 587 00:22:55,002 --> 00:22:57,778 Great. So, let's start back at the beginning. 588 00:22:58,234 --> 00:23:00,065 A patient like Colonel Winston, 589 00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:02,653 all these abdominal wounds... 590 00:23:03,688 --> 00:23:06,653 There any way he's gonna survive a 60-minute transport 591 00:23:06,738 --> 00:23:09,436 without some sort of hemorrhage control? 592 00:23:11,429 --> 00:23:14,435 No.And without some sort of hemorrhage control, 593 00:23:14,597 --> 00:23:17,429 how quickly is someone in the colonel's condition 594 00:23:17,708 --> 00:23:20,989 likely to bleed out? 30 minutes? 595 00:23:22,793 --> 00:23:24,106 15 minutes? 596 00:23:26,762 --> 00:23:29,255 Would he have even lasted five minutes? 597 00:23:31,001 --> 00:23:32,286 Less than five minutes. 598 00:23:32,371 --> 00:23:34,036 So the options were either 599 00:23:34,121 --> 00:23:36,169 let the patient die on the helicopter, 600 00:23:36,254 --> 00:23:40,403 or deploy this REBOA and get him to a facility 601 00:23:40,488 --> 00:23:43,208 where he could be treated and possibly saved? 602 00:23:44,020 --> 00:23:45,278 Isn't that correct? 603 00:23:45,684 --> 00:23:47,880 Basically, yes. So the REBOA 604 00:23:48,148 --> 00:23:50,255 bought him time. 605 00:23:50,908 --> 00:23:54,132 In fact, it bought him eight days, didn't it? 606 00:23:54,217 --> 00:23:56,192 Because had it not been used, 607 00:23:56,505 --> 00:23:57,778 he would have died on day one. 608 00:23:57,863 --> 00:23:59,192 Isn't that correct? 609 00:23:59,434 --> 00:24:00,598 Yes, that would be correct. 610 00:24:00,683 --> 00:24:01,825 So let me ask you a question. 611 00:24:01,910 --> 00:24:03,481 During the time that you were 612 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:05,528 treating the colonel in Landstuhl, 613 00:24:05,738 --> 00:24:08,265 did his family come to see him? 614 00:24:08,350 --> 00:24:10,419 His wife, his son? 615 00:24:11,069 --> 00:24:12,813 Yes, I believe they did. 616 00:24:13,069 --> 00:24:16,208 So the REBOA, the dreaded REBOA, 617 00:24:16,715 --> 00:24:20,331 actually allowed the colonel to have eight more days 618 00:24:20,416 --> 00:24:23,528 to spend with his family and to say goodbye to them? 619 00:24:24,574 --> 00:24:25,795 Isn't that correct? 620 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:27,723 Yes. 621 00:24:27,929 --> 00:24:29,364 I suppose it did. 622 00:24:30,340 --> 00:24:32,083 Sounds like Dr. Kinsey 623 00:24:32,168 --> 00:24:34,333 - made the right choice to me. - Objection! 624 00:24:34,418 --> 00:24:35,901 Counsel is testifying. 625 00:24:36,134 --> 00:24:37,312 Objection sustained. 626 00:24:37,397 --> 00:24:39,583 The jury will ignore counsel's last question. 627 00:24:39,898 --> 00:24:42,895 I do apologize, Your Honor. No further questions. 628 00:24:43,848 --> 00:24:47,950 Gosh, I knew him when he used to tell clients what color shirts 629 00:24:48,034 --> 00:24:49,934 to wear to their depositions. 630 00:24:51,239 --> 00:24:53,856 Very impressive cross-examination, Chunk. 631 00:24:53,941 --> 00:24:55,095 Thank you. 632 00:24:55,180 --> 00:24:56,950 I'm glad you think so, Counselor. 633 00:24:57,387 --> 00:25:01,292 Mr. Palmer, the next time I tell you to ask for a short recess, 634 00:25:01,493 --> 00:25:03,280 ask for a short recess. 635 00:25:03,692 --> 00:25:05,098 Bull, the man did great. 636 00:25:05,183 --> 00:25:06,568 And then we will go out into the hall, 637 00:25:06,652 --> 00:25:08,919 you will share your thoughts, I will share my thoughts, 638 00:25:09,017 --> 00:25:10,935 and Mr. Colón, who is not yet the city's D.A., 639 00:25:11,020 --> 00:25:12,329 will offer his point of view, 640 00:25:12,414 --> 00:25:14,692 and then I will decide what we are going to do. 641 00:25:15,106 --> 00:25:17,106 Do we all understand each other? 642 00:25:18,786 --> 00:25:20,676 Well, I understand what you're saying, 643 00:25:20,761 --> 00:25:22,489 but I don't know why you're saying it. 644 00:25:22,574 --> 00:25:24,426 Because you got lucky, Chunk. 645 00:25:25,052 --> 00:25:26,970 We walked into court today knowing very little 646 00:25:27,055 --> 00:25:28,190 about that doctor. 647 00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:30,365 We didn't even know why she was testifying. 648 00:25:30,471 --> 00:25:32,474 She could have just as easily answered your question 649 00:25:32,558 --> 00:25:35,260 that it was her medical skill that kept that man alive 650 00:25:35,345 --> 00:25:37,088 for eight days, and it would have been 20 651 00:25:37,173 --> 00:25:38,874 had our client not used a REBOA. 652 00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:41,279 But she didn't say any of that, did she? 653 00:25:41,364 --> 00:25:42,970 Don't confuse luck with skill. 654 00:25:43,358 --> 00:25:44,580 I'm not confused. 655 00:25:44,665 --> 00:25:46,009 I took a shot and it paid off. 656 00:25:46,094 --> 00:25:48,197 Well, we don't take shots with other people's lives 657 00:25:48,282 --> 00:25:50,473 and livelihoods, and we don't ask questions 658 00:25:50,558 --> 00:25:51,767 we don't know the answers to. 659 00:25:51,852 --> 00:25:54,292 And we certainly don't ignore the opportunity 660 00:25:54,377 --> 00:25:57,166 to compare notes with two people whose combined experience 661 00:25:57,251 --> 00:26:00,341 equals almost as much time as you've been on the planet. 662 00:26:04,458 --> 00:26:06,494 He's running for office, you're going rogue. 663 00:26:08,573 --> 00:26:09,884 Believe me, I'd go to court 664 00:26:09,969 --> 00:26:11,486 and ask the questions myself if I could. 665 00:26:20,041 --> 00:26:21,785 Sorry. Sorry, sorry. 666 00:26:22,072 --> 00:26:24,072 I couldn't get a cab. I ended up taking the subway. 667 00:26:24,463 --> 00:26:26,042 And forgive me, I never got a chance 668 00:26:26,127 --> 00:26:28,088 to tell you how impressive you were yesterday, 669 00:26:28,173 --> 00:26:29,987 cross-examining that doctor from San Antonio. 670 00:26:30,072 --> 00:26:32,767 Thank you. Just got lucky. 671 00:26:32,994 --> 00:26:34,299 Whatever. It worked. 672 00:26:34,422 --> 00:26:36,158 So, what does today hold? 673 00:26:36,447 --> 00:26:38,190 That's what we're here to ask you. 674 00:26:38,361 --> 00:26:40,932 The first witness up today is Nurse Darna Bautista. 675 00:26:41,016 --> 00:26:43,486 Now, she worked with you the night that Mr. Watkins died. 676 00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:45,284 Any idea what she's gonna say? 677 00:26:46,353 --> 00:26:47,611 That I'm a bitch. 678 00:26:47,853 --> 00:26:49,658 She idolizes Dr. Park. 679 00:26:49,931 --> 00:26:51,503 When I said I wasn't gonna do things 680 00:26:51,588 --> 00:26:54,065 in exactly the way... in exactly the order 681 00:26:54,150 --> 00:26:55,773 that Dr. Park indicated, 682 00:26:56,111 --> 00:26:57,831 she looked like she was gonna have a stroke. 683 00:26:57,939 --> 00:27:00,049 When you say she idolizes Dr. Park, 684 00:27:00,134 --> 00:27:00,987 what does that mean? 685 00:27:01,072 --> 00:27:02,814 They were friends? Lovers? 686 00:27:03,025 --> 00:27:04,470 No, I don't think so. 687 00:27:04,555 --> 00:27:06,736 I just know she thinks he walks on water. 688 00:27:07,651 --> 00:27:10,221 Nurse Bautista, you were one of the ER nurses 689 00:27:10,306 --> 00:27:12,572 working at Mercy the evening of the shooting? 690 00:27:12,656 --> 00:27:13,783 Yes, I was. 691 00:27:13,868 --> 00:27:16,128 I was providing care for Ryan Watkins. 692 00:27:16,213 --> 00:27:18,230 First under the supervision of Dr. Park, 693 00:27:18,314 --> 00:27:20,486 and then under the supervision of Dr. Kinsey. 694 00:27:20,838 --> 00:27:23,627 And did you have occasion to tell Dr. Kinsey 695 00:27:23,711 --> 00:27:25,106 anything about her patient? 696 00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:26,542 I did. 697 00:27:26,626 --> 00:27:28,632 I'm guessing you're talking about 698 00:27:28,716 --> 00:27:30,111 normal medical information 699 00:27:30,195 --> 00:27:32,689 that a doctor might expect a nurse to provide. 700 00:27:32,858 --> 00:27:34,142 Yes 701 00:27:34,517 --> 00:27:36,705 But I also shared something else with her. 702 00:27:36,989 --> 00:27:39,025 Something I shouldn't have shared. 703 00:27:39,767 --> 00:27:41,025 Something that wasn't true, 704 00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:42,838 although I didn't know it at the time. 705 00:27:42,923 --> 00:27:44,232 What did she say to you? 706 00:27:44,317 --> 00:27:47,111 I honestly don't know. Nothing beyond the usual. 707 00:27:47,244 --> 00:27:48,697 And what was that? 708 00:27:49,118 --> 00:27:52,955 You have to understand, it was chaos that night. 709 00:27:53,218 --> 00:27:55,611 There was all kinds of misinformation flying around. 710 00:27:55,716 --> 00:27:57,678 At one point we heard there were three gunmen. 711 00:27:57,763 --> 00:27:59,244 At another point, somebody wrote a tweet 712 00:27:59,328 --> 00:28:01,166 that the shooting was a terrorist operation. 713 00:28:01,251 --> 00:28:04,150 We understand how stressful this situation 714 00:28:04,235 --> 00:28:06,512 must have been for you, Ms. Bautista, 715 00:28:06,597 --> 00:28:08,297 but what is it 716 00:28:08,397 --> 00:28:09,964 you said to Dr. Kinsey? 717 00:28:11,149 --> 00:28:13,589 When EMS brought in Mr. Watkins 718 00:28:13,673 --> 00:28:15,541 into the ER that night... 719 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,580 I was led to believe that he, um, Mr. Watkins... 720 00:28:22,853 --> 00:28:24,111 was the shooter. 721 00:28:25,244 --> 00:28:27,952 And you shared that with Dr. Kinsey? 722 00:28:28,322 --> 00:28:29,548 Yes, I did. 723 00:28:29,696 --> 00:28:30,910 Obviously, I don't know if that 724 00:28:30,994 --> 00:28:33,220 had anything to do with Dr. Kinsey's decision, 725 00:28:33,488 --> 00:28:35,431 but I know it would have affected me 726 00:28:35,695 --> 00:28:36,798 if I had been in her shoes. 727 00:28:36,883 --> 00:28:38,853 Objection. The witness is speculating, 728 00:28:38,938 --> 00:28:40,093 offering her opinion. 729 00:28:40,178 --> 00:28:42,095 Sustained. Jury will ignore. 730 00:28:42,277 --> 00:28:45,925 So, Nurse Bautista, in a situation like this, 731 00:28:46,010 --> 00:28:48,642 is it a doctor's job to determine 732 00:28:48,727 --> 00:28:53,213 whose life is more valuable, who deserves to be saved? 733 00:28:53,319 --> 00:28:56,935 Your Honor, opposing counsel is soliciting the witness's opinion 734 00:28:57,066 --> 00:28:58,331 using different phrasing. 735 00:28:58,501 --> 00:29:00,288 Sustained. Ms. Grossman, 736 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,291 the ice is paper-thin where you're standing. 737 00:29:03,375 --> 00:29:04,611 You understand me? 738 00:29:04,696 --> 00:29:06,831 I do, Your Honor, and I withdraw the question. 739 00:29:07,086 --> 00:29:08,656 No further questions. 740 00:29:08,772 --> 00:29:10,908 I promise you, I have no recollection of anyone saying 741 00:29:10,992 --> 00:29:12,474 that any of the people we were trying to save 742 00:29:12,558 --> 00:29:13,707 that night might have been the shooter. 743 00:29:13,791 --> 00:29:15,042 I know, I know. 744 00:29:15,126 --> 00:29:16,713 Ask for a short recess. 745 00:29:19,408 --> 00:29:22,658 Okay, we basically have two choices. 746 00:29:22,986 --> 00:29:25,618 We can go back in there and say we have 747 00:29:26,033 --> 00:29:27,595 no more questions for the nurse 748 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,845 and start our case by putting on Dr. Kinsey. 749 00:29:29,930 --> 00:29:31,282 That's a horrible choice. 750 00:29:31,493 --> 00:29:33,151 Or we go back in there and say we have no questions 751 00:29:33,235 --> 00:29:35,940 for the nurse and rest our case as well, 752 00:29:36,025 --> 00:29:38,065 and stake everything on closing arguments. 753 00:29:38,353 --> 00:29:41,345 Oh, my God, so we're just... giving up? 754 00:29:41,593 --> 00:29:43,478 With all due respect, Dr. Bull, 755 00:29:43,563 --> 00:29:45,260 but why wouldn't you want me to go back in there 756 00:29:45,344 --> 00:29:46,478 and grill that nurse? 757 00:29:46,563 --> 00:29:48,423 Get her to admit that she never said those things. 758 00:29:48,507 --> 00:29:49,668 And how are you gonna do that? 759 00:29:50,494 --> 00:29:53,689 How are you going to prove someone didn't say something? 760 00:29:53,877 --> 00:29:55,681 How are you gonna prove a negative? 761 00:29:56,298 --> 00:29:58,085 It's just gonna be her word against ours, 762 00:29:58,169 --> 00:30:00,522 and no one is accusing her of having allowed someone to die. 763 00:30:00,606 --> 00:30:02,873 But we can't let that jury think that 764 00:30:02,957 --> 00:30:04,959 what that nurse said is the truth. 765 00:30:06,718 --> 00:30:08,853 That's why we're gonna put Dr. Kinsey on the stand. 766 00:30:09,322 --> 00:30:11,881 You can deny having heard it. 767 00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:13,141 And, yes, 768 00:30:13,226 --> 00:30:16,369 it will still be your word against the nurse's, 769 00:30:16,767 --> 00:30:18,900 but at least we will have answered the accusation. 770 00:30:19,147 --> 00:30:20,603 It will be on the record. 771 00:30:20,688 --> 00:30:22,899 And then we will get you off the stand 772 00:30:22,984 --> 00:30:25,599 as quickly as possible and move on to closing arguments. 773 00:30:25,684 --> 00:30:28,167 So, wait, there are no other witnesses? 774 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,552 What about the people I saved that night? 775 00:30:30,636 --> 00:30:32,037 - Their family members. - No. 776 00:30:32,144 --> 00:30:34,939 The second we swear them in, opposing counsel will challenge 777 00:30:35,024 --> 00:30:38,857 on the basis of relevance, and we will lose. 778 00:30:38,990 --> 00:30:40,691 Because your ability to help them 779 00:30:40,908 --> 00:30:44,009 isn't relevant to the question of whether you were reckless 780 00:30:44,094 --> 00:30:46,270 in your treatment of Mr. Watkins. 781 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,588 I'm sorry, it just isn't. 782 00:30:50,596 --> 00:30:51,861 Dr. Kinsey, 783 00:30:51,986 --> 00:30:54,292 do you recall Nurse Bautista telling you 784 00:30:54,377 --> 00:30:57,900 that Ryan Watkins, the man whose life you were trying to save, 785 00:30:57,985 --> 00:31:00,381 was in fact the man who killed 38 people 786 00:31:00,565 --> 00:31:03,548 at the "We Are All from Somewhere Else" demonstration? 787 00:31:03,705 --> 00:31:07,642 No. I have no recollection of that. None. 788 00:31:08,353 --> 00:31:11,506 And for what it's worth, had she told me, 789 00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:14,161 it would have made no difference in my decision-making 790 00:31:14,245 --> 00:31:16,548 with regard to Mr. Watkins' care that night. 791 00:31:17,298 --> 00:31:18,993 It's my job to help people, 792 00:31:19,330 --> 00:31:20,767 not to judge them. 793 00:31:20,852 --> 00:31:24,468 So tell us, why'd you do what you did? 794 00:31:25,286 --> 00:31:28,435 Why'd you defy your superior and decide to work 795 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,220 on someone else first? 796 00:31:31,604 --> 00:31:33,217 Once Dr. Park left 797 00:31:33,302 --> 00:31:36,103 and I had a chance to examine Mr. Watkins for myself, 798 00:31:37,353 --> 00:31:40,231 I realized, he was really far gone. 799 00:31:40,650 --> 00:31:42,711 The likelihood of us saving him that night 800 00:31:42,795 --> 00:31:45,494 in the OR was slim at best. 801 00:31:46,236 --> 00:31:48,848 It was also clear to me that whatever we did, 802 00:31:48,932 --> 00:31:50,439 it was going to take hours. 803 00:31:51,097 --> 00:31:52,548 So when I saw that young woman, 804 00:31:52,633 --> 00:31:55,422 and realized with about a half an hour 805 00:31:56,291 --> 00:31:59,002 I could get her to a place where she could pull through... 806 00:32:01,947 --> 00:32:03,447 I... I had no choice. 807 00:32:04,714 --> 00:32:08,736 And what did Dr. Park say later on that night 808 00:32:08,821 --> 00:32:11,298 when he found out that Mr. Watkins didn't make it? 809 00:32:12,490 --> 00:32:15,395 I actually didn't see Dr. Park the rest of the night. 810 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,963 I mean, there were literally hundreds of people 811 00:32:18,048 --> 00:32:20,494 seeking treatment; I was pretty much on my own. 812 00:32:20,579 --> 00:32:22,279 So working on your own, 813 00:32:22,661 --> 00:32:24,213 without any supervision, 814 00:32:24,997 --> 00:32:28,603 how many people did you personally save that night? 815 00:32:29,963 --> 00:32:32,892 I... I'm not really sure how you would define "saved." 816 00:32:32,977 --> 00:32:35,861 How many people would have died that night 817 00:32:35,968 --> 00:32:37,625 without you having treated them? 818 00:32:38,494 --> 00:32:40,791 At least five that I'm aware of. 819 00:32:41,931 --> 00:32:43,207 Five. 820 00:32:44,447 --> 00:32:45,992 No further questions, Your Honor. 821 00:32:46,314 --> 00:32:47,330 Very well. 822 00:32:47,415 --> 00:32:50,203 Does the plaintiff have any questions for the witness? 823 00:32:50,288 --> 00:32:51,923 I do, Your Honor. 824 00:32:53,001 --> 00:32:54,166 Just one. 825 00:32:54,783 --> 00:32:56,089 So... 826 00:32:56,392 --> 00:33:00,236 you believe that you saved five lives that night? 827 00:33:02,127 --> 00:33:04,611 And how many do you believe you lost? 828 00:33:04,877 --> 00:33:06,369 Objection! 829 00:33:06,461 --> 00:33:07,877 Asked and answered. 830 00:33:08,463 --> 00:33:11,158 Never mind. I withdraw the question. 831 00:33:15,986 --> 00:33:18,817 On August 25th, as hundreds of people 832 00:33:18,901 --> 00:33:20,970 prepared to defy the COVID virus 833 00:33:21,055 --> 00:33:23,057 and stage a mass protest of our government's 834 00:33:23,142 --> 00:33:25,846 policies towards people born in other countries 835 00:33:25,931 --> 00:33:27,541 who dream of better lives in America... 836 00:33:27,642 --> 00:33:29,369 I think you're gonna turn the jury off. 837 00:33:29,454 --> 00:33:30,633 These images are so disturbing, 838 00:33:30,717 --> 00:33:32,917 I can't even hear what Chunk is saying. 839 00:33:33,056 --> 00:33:34,496 - On these shores... - Chunk. 840 00:33:34,611 --> 00:33:38,510 Marissa is worried that the images are too violent, 841 00:33:38,595 --> 00:33:39,979 that they're gonna turn the jury off. 842 00:33:40,063 --> 00:33:41,205 Well, I disagree. 843 00:33:42,541 --> 00:33:45,018 The more graphic, the more in your face, the better. 844 00:33:45,220 --> 00:33:46,715 See, you're trying to make the jury understand 845 00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:48,884 what it must have been like for Dr. Kinsey, 846 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,719 standing in the middle of all that, 847 00:33:50,803 --> 00:33:53,150 trying to save as many lives as possible. 848 00:33:53,607 --> 00:33:55,401 Do you do what you're told 849 00:33:55,486 --> 00:33:57,204 or do you do what you know is right? 850 00:33:57,423 --> 00:33:59,640 - I second that. - Yeah, but you're 851 00:33:59,725 --> 00:34:01,054 ex-law enforcement. 852 00:34:01,139 --> 00:34:02,524 You've seen a lot of blood and guts in your life. 853 00:34:02,608 --> 00:34:04,577 I mean, we've got a nursery school teacher 854 00:34:04,662 --> 00:34:07,022 - on the jury. A seminary student... - Wait. Wait a minute. 855 00:34:08,936 --> 00:34:11,622 Taylor, back it up about 30 seconds. 856 00:34:15,566 --> 00:34:17,651 Okay, okay. Stop it right there. 857 00:34:18,525 --> 00:34:21,339 Isn't this the guy who testified against our client? 858 00:34:21,660 --> 00:34:24,754 Told our client to operate on Ryan Watkins first? 859 00:34:24,839 --> 00:34:26,215 Her direct superior? 860 00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:27,894 Yeah, that's him. That's Dr. Park. 861 00:34:27,979 --> 00:34:30,456 Watch what he does. Unfreeze it, Taylor. 862 00:34:35,853 --> 00:34:37,393 Oh, freeze that. 863 00:34:37,980 --> 00:34:39,409 Weird thing to do. 864 00:34:39,494 --> 00:34:40,847 Especially in the middle of COVID. 865 00:34:40,993 --> 00:34:42,206 He knows her. 866 00:34:43,069 --> 00:34:44,480 8:28 in the evening. 867 00:34:44,565 --> 00:34:47,179 About ten minutes after Dr. Kinsey arrived. 868 00:34:47,470 --> 00:34:50,647 And this is the patient that Dr. Park took to the OR 869 00:34:50,732 --> 00:34:53,316 when he told Dr. Kinsey to take care of Ryan. 870 00:34:55,318 --> 00:34:56,393 Okay. 871 00:34:56,485 --> 00:34:57,505 I'm-I'm lost. 872 00:34:57,590 --> 00:34:58,702 That's two of us. 873 00:34:58,787 --> 00:35:00,123 What are you guys getting at? 874 00:35:00,208 --> 00:35:02,733 Well, we always said this was a case about lifeboat ethics, 875 00:35:02,818 --> 00:35:05,834 we just didn't know there was a whole other boat involved. 876 00:35:09,513 --> 00:35:11,234 Between now and tomorrow morning, 877 00:35:11,318 --> 00:35:13,055 I need you to find out everything that you can 878 00:35:13,139 --> 00:35:14,701 about that woman on the gurney. 879 00:35:15,584 --> 00:35:17,633 I'll be damned if I go back into that courtroom 880 00:35:17,803 --> 00:35:20,414 and ask a question I don't already know the answer to. 881 00:35:22,275 --> 00:35:23,584 Your Honor, 882 00:35:23,669 --> 00:35:24,803 with your permission... 883 00:35:24,888 --> 00:35:27,091 I know that we already rested our case... 884 00:35:27,248 --> 00:35:29,272 But before we begin closing arguments, 885 00:35:29,357 --> 00:35:30,452 the defense would like to call 886 00:35:30,536 --> 00:35:32,177 one last witness. Actually, 887 00:35:32,262 --> 00:35:33,527 we would like to recall 888 00:35:33,737 --> 00:35:35,133 one last witness. 889 00:35:35,466 --> 00:35:37,919 If Dr. Park could take the stand. 890 00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:39,873 Dr. Park, I appreciate you 891 00:35:39,958 --> 00:35:42,302 coming in last minute to testify in court today. 892 00:35:43,716 --> 00:35:45,982 Now, I have to be honest with you, 893 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,334 I need your help. 894 00:35:47,866 --> 00:35:52,047 I've actually never served on a medical malpractice case before. 895 00:35:52,272 --> 00:35:53,711 And I'd be dishonest 896 00:35:53,795 --> 00:35:55,539 with you if I told you that I had 897 00:35:55,623 --> 00:35:57,701 any understanding whatsoever 898 00:35:57,786 --> 00:35:59,295 of medical ethics. 899 00:35:59,425 --> 00:36:00,904 How it all works. 900 00:36:01,063 --> 00:36:02,787 What it means. Now, you, 901 00:36:02,872 --> 00:36:05,560 as the head surgeon at Mercy Hospital, 902 00:36:06,193 --> 00:36:09,202 this is something you know a lot about, am I right? 903 00:36:09,895 --> 00:36:12,303 Actually, I've written a number of papers, 904 00:36:12,570 --> 00:36:15,881 presided over a number of seminars on the topic, yes. 905 00:36:16,035 --> 00:36:16,998 So... 906 00:36:17,083 --> 00:36:18,513 baseline question. 907 00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:23,045 What happens when doctors let their personal feelings 908 00:36:23,178 --> 00:36:25,485 get in the way of treating a patient? 909 00:36:26,798 --> 00:36:29,195 Well, all kinds of bad things can happen. 910 00:36:29,310 --> 00:36:31,402 Physicians have been known to freeze, 911 00:36:31,487 --> 00:36:33,449 to second-guess themselves. 912 00:36:33,904 --> 00:36:38,713 But I guess the biggest concern you see and hear about 913 00:36:38,797 --> 00:36:40,932 is doctors making bad calls 914 00:36:41,016 --> 00:36:42,543 because they're not thinking clearly. 915 00:36:42,627 --> 00:36:44,529 They're not thinking critically. 916 00:36:45,029 --> 00:36:46,099 Thank you. 917 00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:47,525 Thank you, Dr. Park. 918 00:36:47,610 --> 00:36:49,935 Thanks for clearing that up for me. 919 00:36:50,678 --> 00:36:51,940 Oh. 920 00:36:53,780 --> 00:36:57,404 Actually, just one last thing. 921 00:36:58,215 --> 00:37:02,092 When they brought Ryan Watkins in that night, 922 00:37:02,348 --> 00:37:04,828 how many patients did they bring in with him? 923 00:37:06,910 --> 00:37:08,654 Including Ryan, three. 924 00:37:08,903 --> 00:37:10,810 - He and two others - .Okay. 925 00:37:11,113 --> 00:37:13,509 So we know that you told Dr. Kinsey 926 00:37:13,594 --> 00:37:16,013 to operate on Ryan Watkins first. 927 00:37:16,761 --> 00:37:18,853 Now, that person she actually chose to treat, 928 00:37:18,938 --> 00:37:20,232 did she come in with Ryan? 929 00:37:20,373 --> 00:37:21,423 Yes. 930 00:37:21,508 --> 00:37:22,724 And what about the third? 931 00:37:22,809 --> 00:37:25,464 Did we ever hear about what happened to the third? 932 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,571 I took her up to the OR for immediate surgery. 933 00:37:29,656 --> 00:37:30,878 I see. 934 00:37:30,963 --> 00:37:33,490 And-and what was the extent of her injuries? 935 00:37:33,865 --> 00:37:35,678 She had been shot in the shoulder. 936 00:37:35,786 --> 00:37:38,009 And would you say that her injuries were 937 00:37:38,217 --> 00:37:40,467 more urgent than the abdominal gunshot wound 938 00:37:40,552 --> 00:37:42,557 suffered by Ryan Watkins? 939 00:37:42,817 --> 00:37:47,045 Or the hemopneumothorax that Dr. Kinsey treated? 940 00:37:51,646 --> 00:37:52,868 Dr. Park? 941 00:37:53,209 --> 00:37:55,138 I need you to answer the question. 942 00:37:56,225 --> 00:37:58,967 No. I would not say her injuries 943 00:37:59,138 --> 00:38:01,256 were more urgent than those sustained 944 00:38:01,341 --> 00:38:03,346 by the two patients you asked me about. 945 00:38:03,838 --> 00:38:05,076 That's odd. 946 00:38:05,288 --> 00:38:08,468 So if her injuries were less than severe, 947 00:38:08,553 --> 00:38:11,631 why did you decide to operate on her first? 948 00:38:16,381 --> 00:38:19,209 Dr. Park, did you know the patient that you worked on? 949 00:38:21,827 --> 00:38:22,872 Yes. 950 00:38:23,943 --> 00:38:25,162 Personally? 951 00:38:25,467 --> 00:38:26,816 Yes. 952 00:38:30,354 --> 00:38:34,709 She's Nurse Bautista's 20-year-old daughter. 953 00:38:37,438 --> 00:38:38,881 My goddaughter. 954 00:38:40,649 --> 00:38:42,982 So is that why you treated her first? 955 00:38:45,636 --> 00:38:47,511 If you had not known that patient, 956 00:38:47,596 --> 00:38:50,080 if you had not let this affect you, 957 00:38:50,165 --> 00:38:52,863 who would you have taken up to that operating room? 958 00:38:55,296 --> 00:38:56,920 Ryan Watkins. 959 00:38:58,924 --> 00:39:00,881 So if there was 960 00:39:01,461 --> 00:39:03,683 an error in judgment that night, 961 00:39:03,768 --> 00:39:06,555 it was not Dr. Kinsey's, 962 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,279 was it? 963 00:39:08,455 --> 00:39:10,162 No. It was not. 964 00:39:15,579 --> 00:39:17,951 I told you he was the right man for the job. 965 00:39:24,524 --> 00:39:26,178 Can you stop all that racket? 966 00:39:26,438 --> 00:39:28,878 Some of us are in the midst of our own private euphorias 967 00:39:28,963 --> 00:39:32,185 and you're ruining it with the sound of all this manual labor. 968 00:39:32,270 --> 00:39:33,400 Well, well, well. 969 00:39:33,498 --> 00:39:35,081 If it isn't Clarence Darrow. 970 00:39:36,287 --> 00:39:38,761 Hey. Congratulations again. 971 00:39:38,846 --> 00:39:39,974 You killed it today. 972 00:39:40,059 --> 00:39:41,349 I did. 973 00:39:41,504 --> 00:39:42,748 Yeah. 974 00:39:42,951 --> 00:39:45,826 What brings you out on this cold and wintery night? 975 00:39:46,254 --> 00:39:47,966 Couldn't sleep. 976 00:39:48,434 --> 00:39:51,049 I'd close my eyes and I'd keep seeing 977 00:39:51,172 --> 00:39:53,099 the jury handing down that verdict. 978 00:39:53,490 --> 00:39:54,929 That look of satisfaction 979 00:39:55,035 --> 00:39:57,083 and pride on Bull's face. 980 00:39:57,459 --> 00:39:59,661 The gratitude on Dr. Kinsey's. 981 00:40:00,092 --> 00:40:03,533 I'm a grown man and it is embarrassing to be this much 982 00:40:03,627 --> 00:40:05,853 in love with what you do for a living, you know? 983 00:40:06,352 --> 00:40:10,830 Anyway, I, uh, I got out, took a walk. 984 00:40:11,107 --> 00:40:12,346 Tried to clear my head. 985 00:40:12,434 --> 00:40:14,310 Walked across the bridge when suddenly I realized, 986 00:40:14,394 --> 00:40:15,833 I might die of frostbite 987 00:40:16,057 --> 00:40:18,666 and I'm in desperate need of a clean bathroom. 988 00:40:19,007 --> 00:40:20,697 Mention my name, you get a good seat. 989 00:40:20,782 --> 00:40:21,978 I already did. 990 00:40:25,036 --> 00:40:28,588 You know, the other night in Bull's SUV? 991 00:40:30,202 --> 00:40:31,416 I was ready to quit. 992 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,666 - Mm. - I figured. 993 00:40:35,281 --> 00:40:37,416 I've been ready to quit about a half a dozen times 994 00:40:37,501 --> 00:40:38,510 over the years. 995 00:40:38,595 --> 00:40:39,643 Really? 996 00:40:40,007 --> 00:40:41,267 What stopped you? 997 00:40:42,591 --> 00:40:44,010 I don't know. 998 00:40:44,584 --> 00:40:47,283 I get one foot out the door, 999 00:40:47,489 --> 00:40:50,495 and then I realize he was mostly right 1000 00:40:50,580 --> 00:40:54,307 about whatever it was he was saying or talking about. 1001 00:40:54,911 --> 00:40:58,260 Plus, I think we make each other smarter. 1002 00:40:58,676 --> 00:40:59,981 Better. 1003 00:41:01,548 --> 00:41:05,381 He's a really, really smart dude, Chunk. 1004 00:41:05,645 --> 00:41:08,242 And I don't think he would want you around 1005 00:41:08,327 --> 00:41:10,900 if he didn't think you were a smart dude, too. 1006 00:41:14,135 --> 00:41:16,369 Congratulations again, Chunk. 1007 00:41:16,454 --> 00:41:17,937 Now, if you'll excuse me, 1008 00:41:18,272 --> 00:41:20,190 I got to finish my interior decorating 1009 00:41:20,275 --> 00:41:22,119 so I can go home and get some sleep. 1010 00:41:42,185 --> 00:41:44,345 Captioned by Media Access Group at WGBH access.wgbh.org 1011 00:41:45,194 --> 00:41:47,164 Synchronized by srjanapala 75960

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