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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,276 --> 00:00:04,050 There is some evidence to suggest that Hayley... was strangled. 2 00:00:04,075 --> 00:00:05,915 DCI Stuart, Hayley was a friend of mine. 3 00:00:05,977 --> 00:00:08,260 I was supposed to be doing a cleaning job, 4 00:00:08,288 --> 00:00:10,168 Hayley did the job for me. 5 00:00:10,196 --> 00:00:11,768 It was in a holiday rental. 6 00:00:11,838 --> 00:00:13,813 I'd forgotten that's who we let it to. 7 00:00:13,865 --> 00:00:16,105 He does that quiz show on the BBC. James Hollis. 8 00:00:16,130 --> 00:00:18,396 Just give me ten minutes, I'm not feeling 100%. 9 00:00:18,421 --> 00:00:20,029 Dad, this is not about the past. 10 00:00:20,074 --> 00:00:21,954 Or, at least, not the past you're talking about. 11 00:00:21,979 --> 00:00:23,779 I love you. I love you, too. 12 00:00:23,964 --> 00:00:25,549 Tim, it's your word against hers. 13 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,416 I pretended to go out. I just heard him go for her. 14 00:00:28,460 --> 00:00:30,140 I don't believe I ever lost my temper. 15 00:00:30,487 --> 00:00:32,256 I'd appreciate having somebody here. 16 00:00:32,281 --> 00:00:34,483 They took money I had for a deposit on a flat. 17 00:00:34,545 --> 00:00:36,905 I do think you should consider opening a bank account. 18 00:00:36,940 --> 00:00:38,890 No. No. No. No. No bank accounts. 19 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,400 I would feel very lucky to be able to help you grow stronger. 20 00:00:41,480 --> 00:00:43,493 There'll be money in the joint account tomorrow. 21 00:00:43,548 --> 00:00:47,258 Mr Carr sold my father a cash ISA. We want to cancel it. 22 00:00:47,283 --> 00:00:48,935 I can't see any paperwork here. 23 00:00:49,061 --> 00:00:51,581 Mr Hollis, we wondered if you had five minutes, please, 24 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:53,440 to help us with a case we're investigating. 25 00:00:53,569 --> 00:00:55,096 I will need my lawyer present. 26 00:00:55,152 --> 00:00:56,752 Els, it's Dad again. 27 00:00:56,850 --> 00:00:58,869 They've come about her. 28 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,600 ♪ All we do is hide away 29 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,680 ♪ All we do is All we do is hide away 30 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:17,760 ♪ All we do is lie and wait 31 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,920 ♪ All we do is All we do is lie and wait 32 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,800 ♪ I've been upside down 33 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,520 ♪ I don't wanna be The right way round 34 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,920 ♪ Can't find paradise On the ground. ♪ 35 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,920 Oh, shit! 36 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,560 Oh, you... 37 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,400 Dad! 38 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:02,800 Dad! Yeah? 39 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:06,160 Morning. 40 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,400 Blimey! Are you all right? You left a pan on. 41 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,560 Me? No. 42 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,960 Yeah, I walked in and it was burning. 43 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:17,960 Is that your porridge? 44 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:19,840 This was off when I left. 45 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,760 Right. Well, I've, like, literally just walked in. 46 00:02:22,920 --> 00:02:24,080 So... 47 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,960 Well, it's still under warranty. I'll get in touch with the company. 48 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,120 I'm sorry. If I knew anything, I'd tell you, Mr Hollis. 49 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,520 You know I would. I do. But if you do hear anything, 50 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,000 tell him I need to speak to him. 51 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:42,920 Tell him it's really urgent. 52 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:53,560 And, so, in the end, 53 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,560 the case really came down to one person's word against another's. 54 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,280 And in this instance, 55 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,680 we feel bound to consider Dr Finch's many years' exemplary practice 56 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,280 and his reputation as a hard-working, generous 57 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:08,760 and trustworthy GP. 58 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:13,440 And as such, we find we do not uphold the complaint. 59 00:03:13,640 --> 00:03:17,280 I heard him. He might sit there now looking like butter wouldn't melt, 60 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,200 but he's got another side to him. 61 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,520 Yeah, you look embarrassed, mate. 62 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,520 You should, cos you're a disgrace! 63 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:47,200 Guv... 64 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:48,840 Yeah? He is here... 65 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,000 'Peter, its Mark Harper. 66 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,480 'Kate and I can find no record of any paperwork 67 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,920 'relating to an ISA in the name of Salthouse 68 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,120 'and I need to know today how a three-grand cheque from him 69 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:07,720 'has been cashed. 70 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,480 'So you really need to call me.' 71 00:04:20,280 --> 00:04:21,640 There. 72 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,080 OK, er... 73 00:04:55,280 --> 00:04:57,440 ..I'm going to change all of your settings 74 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,280 so that only your friends can comment. 75 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,760 What does it make them feel when they say those things? 76 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:05,880 I doubt very much they feel anything at all, Mum. 77 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:09,760 Cos they're messed up. 78 00:05:10,840 --> 00:05:15,480 And that, that isn't about Dad or about you or Hayley. 79 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:16,880 It's about them. 80 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,040 It's just a mirror people hold up to themselves to shout at. 81 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:31,680 I wanted, if I may, erm, to ask you about a house you rented 82 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:34,920 in Middenham, in December 1999, 83 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:36,440 which I believe... 84 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:38,880 ..was an eight-bedroom house. 85 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,080 Yes, I can't remember specifically but, yes, it was big. 86 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:46,800 There were a bunch of us. Three other families? 87 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,600 Yes, although, for the first few days, 88 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,280 there were only me and three mates. 89 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,760 Erm, our wives and kids joined us on New Year's Eve. 90 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,200 Right. 91 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,360 It was primarily a golfing break. 92 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,320 Oh, OK. 93 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,560 Erm, and what were their names, please, the men? 94 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,320 Tim Finch. 95 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:07,720 Chris Lowe. 96 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:09,760 Pete Carr. 97 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,640 And are they all still around? Yep. 98 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,400 Still friends? 99 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,280 Yes, we were at school together, so it's a long connection. 100 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,000 And the families, erm, can you give me details of those people? 101 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,320 Tim was there with his first wife Derran 102 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,360 and their, er... two little girls. 103 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,720 Pete was single at that time, so on his own. 104 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,240 And Chris Lowe was with his first wife Laura and their little girl. 105 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,040 And your wife? 106 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,560 Yes, my wife Mel and our little boy Eliot. 107 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,680 Are you two still together? No. 108 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:49,720 I remarried a few years ago. 109 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:50,880 Oh. 110 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,880 So, this is a photo of Hayley Reid. 111 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:00,600 Do you recognise her? 112 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:06,880 Yes. 113 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,520 And is that just from the papers? Sorry, where is this heading? 114 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:11,920 SHE SIGHS 115 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,440 We're just trying to corroborate evidence from another witness, 116 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:20,400 who thinks Hayley might have cleaned the house you rented. 117 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,600 I have no recollection of that. You never saw her there? 118 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:25,800 No. 119 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,080 I mean, we were out most days, 120 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:32,120 but, hey, this story was huge and her photo was all over the TV. 121 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,840 So, if she had cleaned our house and any of us had have seen her, 122 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,160 then I think someone would have mentioned something. Absolutely. 123 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,480 When did you return to London, Mr Hollis? 124 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,040 Erm, when the rental ended, which would be... 125 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,080 ..perhaps, er, around the second or third. 126 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,680 And you drove back up with your wife and child? Yes. 127 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,040 How did they got down there on the 31st? 128 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,480 Train. I picked them up from a nearby station. 129 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,760 OK. And this is the last question. 130 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,680 Erm... what did you all get up to on the Millennium evening? 131 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:18,360 Erm... Well, as I remember, we, er... 132 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,080 ..we had a meal in the house, all together. 133 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,320 Then, I think the, erm... 134 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,440 ..the children stayed up a bit, till about nine or ten. 135 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,520 I think the adults watched a movie 136 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,960 and then all went to bed after Big Ben. 137 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,000 Is that all of you? As I recall, yes. 138 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,800 And then no-one went out again for the rest of the night? 139 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:46,000 No. 140 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,120 OK. 141 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:52,720 That's it. 142 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,000 Thank you. Thank you very much for your time. 143 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,080 Sorry... 144 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,600 You said you guys met at school. Yes. 145 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,000 Where was that, the school you went to? Finchley. 146 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,200 Right. And you all, erm... 147 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,720 ..lived round that area? Within a couple of miles, yes. 148 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:17,400 OK, thanks again. 149 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,920 Well, I think we want to know more about four guys 150 00:09:26,978 --> 00:09:28,978 who grew up half a mile from her grave. 151 00:09:29,030 --> 00:09:30,150 I think we do. 152 00:09:38,300 --> 00:09:39,780 Hollis, you wanker. 153 00:09:41,700 --> 00:09:42,700 Shit! 154 00:09:54,460 --> 00:09:57,300 And this sort of sized garden is very unusual 155 00:09:57,460 --> 00:09:59,580 for a flat in this part of the city. 156 00:09:59,740 --> 00:10:01,420 It's also west-facing, so... 157 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:07,160 Anyway, have a natter and I'll be outside if you need me. 158 00:10:07,500 --> 00:10:08,700 Thank you. 159 00:10:12,740 --> 00:10:15,100 He's never had a garden with grass before. 160 00:10:15,260 --> 00:10:17,380 You like it. 161 00:10:17,420 --> 00:10:19,300 I think it's perfect. 162 00:10:19,460 --> 00:10:20,580 What? 163 00:10:20,740 --> 00:10:22,940 There's a "but" coming. 164 00:10:24,039 --> 00:10:25,134 But... 165 00:10:26,326 --> 00:10:29,326 ..if we're going to be properly together... 166 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,280 ..I need to know who you are, Chris. 167 00:10:35,700 --> 00:10:37,260 Who I am? 168 00:10:38,375 --> 00:10:41,175 How does someone like you, so... 169 00:10:41,350 --> 00:10:44,710 ..brilliant, so lovely... 170 00:10:46,580 --> 00:10:48,460 ..end up like you have? 171 00:10:48,620 --> 00:10:50,140 How does that happen? 172 00:11:28,500 --> 00:11:31,100 So we had two key leads that I believed 173 00:11:31,300 --> 00:11:34,340 were potentially significant, but were never resolved. 174 00:11:34,500 --> 00:11:36,300 St Matthew's C of E, 175 00:11:36,500 --> 00:11:38,660 which was burgled at some point that New Year's Eve, 176 00:11:38,700 --> 00:11:41,140 with about five grand's worth of 18-century silverware 177 00:11:41,340 --> 00:11:43,180 taken from a locked cupboard in the vestry. 178 00:11:43,380 --> 00:11:46,780 Blood smears were retrieved on some smashed glass into the vestry, 179 00:11:46,980 --> 00:11:49,460 but there were no matches with anyone on our database. 180 00:11:50,700 --> 00:11:53,100 The church is about halfway between The Swan 181 00:11:53,300 --> 00:11:55,460 and Hayley's parents' original house. 182 00:11:55,620 --> 00:11:58,340 And one possible theory was that 183 00:11:58,540 --> 00:12:00,380 she saw something after she left work, 184 00:12:00,580 --> 00:12:04,380 she went to investigate and ran into the burglar or burglars. 185 00:12:04,580 --> 00:12:07,340 Certainly, I believe it's worth following up again. 186 00:12:08,780 --> 00:12:10,740 And then a black car, 187 00:12:10,940 --> 00:12:13,740 which was seen driving very erratically on the road 188 00:12:13,900 --> 00:12:16,420 between The Swan and her house 189 00:12:16,580 --> 00:12:18,700 at approximately 12:25, 190 00:12:18,740 --> 00:12:21,660 maybe 15 minutes after we know she left the pub. 191 00:12:21,820 --> 00:12:23,260 No reg or make, 192 00:12:23,460 --> 00:12:26,100 but the witness thought it was a black four-door saloon 193 00:12:26,260 --> 00:12:27,580 with a tow bar. 194 00:12:27,780 --> 00:12:30,580 Oh, and it's worth mentioning that the weather was very bad that night, 195 00:12:30,780 --> 00:12:33,420 with heavy rain from about 11 o'clock onwards 196 00:12:33,580 --> 00:12:36,060 and very poor visibility. 197 00:12:36,220 --> 00:12:37,220 That's it. 198 00:12:38,460 --> 00:12:41,860 So John will be available for the rest of the day, 199 00:12:42,060 --> 00:12:44,420 and then on the phone, at any point, for any questions. 200 00:12:44,580 --> 00:12:46,020 But given what he's just told us, 201 00:12:46,220 --> 00:12:49,780 I suggest DNA swabs should be taken from any suspects we speak to. 202 00:12:50,820 --> 00:12:53,740 Thank you again, John. That was very useful. 203 00:12:53,900 --> 00:12:55,420 So... 204 00:12:55,580 --> 00:12:57,460 ..specific points of action. 205 00:12:58,580 --> 00:13:01,820 Fran, can you double-check all these timelines, please, 206 00:13:02,020 --> 00:13:04,220 for Hayley's movements on the night of her disappearance 207 00:13:04,420 --> 00:13:06,580 and the week before? Boss. 208 00:13:06,780 --> 00:13:10,260 Murray, you take the witness who saw this car. Yup. 209 00:13:10,460 --> 00:13:13,420 And, Jake, obviously, the body was found in London 210 00:13:13,580 --> 00:13:15,980 and, given that new development, 211 00:13:16,180 --> 00:13:19,140 it's worth having another chat with Adrian Mullery, I think. Guv. 212 00:13:19,340 --> 00:13:22,500 And following this morning's interview with James Hollis, 213 00:13:22,700 --> 00:13:25,340 myself and DI Khan will certainly be speaking 214 00:13:25,540 --> 00:13:28,940 to the other three male occupants of The Spinney. 215 00:13:30,620 --> 00:13:32,780 OK, that's it. Thank you, everyone. 216 00:13:34,740 --> 00:13:37,180 That was great. Thank you again. 217 00:13:37,340 --> 00:13:38,620 Yeah. No problem. 218 00:13:38,820 --> 00:13:40,700 So are you heading back down tonight or...? 219 00:13:40,900 --> 00:13:43,300 No. No, no, my kids live with their mum in town, 220 00:13:43,500 --> 00:13:48,020 so I'm going to stick around, spend some time with them for a few days. 221 00:13:48,220 --> 00:13:50,500 Right. How old are they? 21 and 20. 222 00:13:50,660 --> 00:13:52,020 Ah, same as mine. Boys or...? 223 00:13:52,180 --> 00:13:53,620 Two boys. 224 00:13:53,780 --> 00:13:54,820 Jinx. 225 00:13:54,980 --> 00:13:56,260 Hm! 226 00:13:56,460 --> 00:13:59,140 Er, anyway, I better go and check into the hotel, so... 227 00:13:59,340 --> 00:14:01,740 Go for it. And we will speak soon, I hope. Yeah, absolutely. 228 00:14:02,980 --> 00:14:04,860 John... Thanks for that. That was great. 229 00:14:05,060 --> 00:14:07,460 Listen, er... if you're at a loose end any evening, 230 00:14:07,660 --> 00:14:10,100 there's always a few of us at The Enterprise, 231 00:14:10,300 --> 00:14:12,060 if you fancy a drink. It's just opposite. 232 00:14:12,220 --> 00:14:13,860 Yeah, great. Cheers. 233 00:14:14,060 --> 00:14:15,380 I might take you up on that. Good. 234 00:14:15,460 --> 00:14:16,740 All right, see you. See you. 235 00:14:16,940 --> 00:14:18,420 See you. Cheers. 236 00:14:20,500 --> 00:14:23,420 You're welcome. 237 00:14:27,140 --> 00:14:29,140 Oh! 238 00:14:30,780 --> 00:14:33,980 Hola, gordo conejo. Hola, muy gordo conejo. 239 00:14:34,180 --> 00:14:37,100 How you doing? Yeah, all good. You? 240 00:14:37,300 --> 00:14:40,300 Yeah, very well. I've just been in Manchester on a work thing, 241 00:14:40,460 --> 00:14:42,220 driving back to Sussex now with Caz. 242 00:14:42,420 --> 00:14:44,580 Oh, right. Give her my love. I will. 243 00:14:44,620 --> 00:14:47,380 But listen, very quickly, I presume you've seen the news 244 00:14:47,540 --> 00:14:48,980 about the Hayley Reid case. 245 00:14:49,180 --> 00:14:52,420 Yeah, I did. It's very sad. Oh, wasn't it? 246 00:14:52,620 --> 00:14:55,420 Anyway, the police are obviously doing a general trawl 247 00:14:55,580 --> 00:14:57,460 for potential new witnesses. 248 00:14:57,660 --> 00:15:01,020 And they spoke to me this morning about the house we rented. 249 00:15:01,180 --> 00:15:02,660 Right. 250 00:15:02,860 --> 00:15:05,940 Apparently they think she may have been our cleaner. Wow! 251 00:15:06,140 --> 00:15:07,900 I said I couldn't recall us having a cleaner 252 00:15:08,100 --> 00:15:10,460 and I certainly think one of us would have noticed 253 00:15:10,660 --> 00:15:13,220 if it had have been her, given the amount of coverage. Indeed. 254 00:15:13,380 --> 00:15:15,380 Anyway, the long and short is 255 00:15:15,580 --> 00:15:18,700 they're probably going to want to speak to the whole gang of us, so... 256 00:15:18,900 --> 00:15:20,820 ..I just thought that I ought to let you know. 257 00:15:20,980 --> 00:15:22,220 Yeah, no worries. 258 00:15:22,420 --> 00:15:24,060 Obviously, they're looking for people 259 00:15:24,260 --> 00:15:27,860 who may have seen something that only now seems relevant. 260 00:15:28,060 --> 00:15:30,580 But I told them we all stayed in the house that night, 261 00:15:30,740 --> 00:15:32,860 eating with our families, so... 262 00:15:33,020 --> 00:15:34,740 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 263 00:15:34,940 --> 00:15:37,620 I'll give Pete a bell and maybe you could give Chris the heads up? 264 00:15:37,780 --> 00:15:38,780 Sure. 265 00:15:38,940 --> 00:15:40,700 And I've e-mailed some dates for our meet-up. 266 00:15:40,780 --> 00:15:42,580 Oh, yeah, I saw. Erm... 267 00:15:42,780 --> 00:15:44,940 ..I can do any of those. Excellent! 268 00:15:44,980 --> 00:15:46,700 Speak soon, mate. 269 00:15:46,860 --> 00:15:48,340 Yeah, cheers, Jamie. 270 00:15:51,620 --> 00:15:53,260 Jamie sends his love. 271 00:15:53,420 --> 00:15:55,260 How is he? 272 00:15:55,420 --> 00:15:56,940 Oh, he's very well. 273 00:15:57,140 --> 00:15:59,980 He's just, er... trying to arrange a get-together. 274 00:16:00,140 --> 00:16:01,820 The four amigos. 275 00:16:01,980 --> 00:16:03,540 That'll be nice. 276 00:16:03,700 --> 00:16:05,020 Yeah, it will. 277 00:16:05,180 --> 00:16:07,300 It's been too long. Much too long. 278 00:16:10,180 --> 00:16:11,660 Of course I remember. 279 00:16:11,860 --> 00:16:13,940 I was meant to have bought the puddings and I forgot, 280 00:16:13,980 --> 00:16:16,540 so I legged it to the corner shop and bought a load of Cornettos, 281 00:16:16,580 --> 00:16:18,540 which your ex wasn't too happy about. 282 00:16:18,740 --> 00:16:21,660 Anyway, I just wanted to check that you remembered it the same as I did. 283 00:16:21,820 --> 00:16:23,660 So, we're all ready for the 22nd. 284 00:16:23,860 --> 00:16:27,180 Chris has replied now so I'll book a table and send you all a link. 285 00:16:27,380 --> 00:16:29,820 Just one quick thing before you go, Jamie. 286 00:16:30,020 --> 00:16:32,340 Actually, I'm literally just heading into a meeting, mate. 287 00:16:32,500 --> 00:16:34,100 Yeah, yeah, I'll be ten seconds. 288 00:16:34,260 --> 00:16:36,460 Jamie... I need a massive favour. 289 00:16:39,740 --> 00:16:41,580 I was married for, er... 290 00:16:41,740 --> 00:16:43,660 ..12 years 291 00:16:43,820 --> 00:16:45,980 and I had... have, I have a daughter, 292 00:16:46,140 --> 00:16:47,620 Maya, 293 00:16:47,780 --> 00:16:50,220 who I last saw 17 years ago. 294 00:16:51,980 --> 00:16:55,100 My marriage ended early 2000. 295 00:16:57,020 --> 00:16:59,780 And because of some issues that I had at the time, 296 00:16:59,940 --> 00:17:01,580 my wife Laura, 297 00:17:01,780 --> 00:17:04,540 she felt it was damaging for Maya to be around that. 298 00:17:04,700 --> 00:17:07,260 And I'd run up some debts. 299 00:17:07,460 --> 00:17:11,020 So I went from living in a nice house in Notting Hill to... 300 00:17:11,180 --> 00:17:13,060 ..a one-bedroom flat in Acton... 301 00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:16,860 ..and then a hostel and... 302 00:17:18,380 --> 00:17:20,300 ..and then the streets. 303 00:17:20,460 --> 00:17:21,740 How long were you homeless? 304 00:17:23,580 --> 00:17:25,980 On and off for seven years. 305 00:17:26,140 --> 00:17:27,460 Oh, Chris... 306 00:17:28,700 --> 00:17:31,300 I'm so sorry. 307 00:17:31,500 --> 00:17:33,420 And you had no friends who could have helped you? 308 00:17:33,460 --> 00:17:36,140 Yeah. Yeah. I had friends who would have been desperate to help me. 309 00:17:36,340 --> 00:17:39,220 Yeah, but you have to want to be helped. And I didn't. 310 00:17:39,420 --> 00:17:43,020 I hated myself. I thought I deserved everything that happened to me. 311 00:17:43,180 --> 00:17:44,620 And your marriage... 312 00:17:45,860 --> 00:17:48,140 ..the issues you mention? 313 00:17:48,300 --> 00:17:49,620 OK, so... 314 00:17:49,820 --> 00:17:52,860 ..as you know, I have bipolar disorder, 315 00:17:53,060 --> 00:17:55,940 which was undiagnosed at the time, and so it was unmedicated, 316 00:17:56,100 --> 00:17:57,580 which meant that... 317 00:17:58,620 --> 00:18:02,060 ..you know, my behaviour was... challenging. 318 00:18:03,180 --> 00:18:05,340 And as soon as I started costing my company money, 319 00:18:05,380 --> 00:18:07,540 it was inevitable I'd be asked to step down. 320 00:18:11,140 --> 00:18:13,900 And that was just not what she had married, 321 00:18:14,100 --> 00:18:16,460 an unemployed man who had mental health issues. 322 00:18:18,380 --> 00:18:19,940 So she asked me to leave. 323 00:18:21,700 --> 00:18:23,100 And I did. 324 00:18:24,340 --> 00:18:27,140 And then, 18 months later, she married a hedge fund manager, 325 00:18:27,340 --> 00:18:29,300 who bought her a house in Holland Park, so... 326 00:18:32,540 --> 00:18:34,700 And then, in 2012... 327 00:18:36,100 --> 00:18:40,620 ..Maya wrote to tell me that Laura had died from breast cancer... 328 00:18:41,940 --> 00:18:43,940 ..and to ask that I stay away from the funeral. 329 00:18:45,580 --> 00:18:48,580 I thought about writing back, and saying that I was better now, 330 00:18:48,740 --> 00:18:50,380 that I was a different person. 331 00:18:50,540 --> 00:18:51,860 And I am. 332 00:18:53,820 --> 00:18:55,380 But I think there comes a time 333 00:18:55,580 --> 00:18:57,580 when you have to accept how things have turned out. 334 00:18:59,100 --> 00:19:01,740 That life can sometimes simply be unfair. 335 00:19:02,980 --> 00:19:04,700 And to keep resisting that... 336 00:19:05,860 --> 00:19:08,300 ..it takes so much energy, Mila. 337 00:19:09,700 --> 00:19:12,740 Energy that you need for the future. 338 00:19:28,660 --> 00:19:30,300 Love? 339 00:19:30,460 --> 00:19:32,020 In here. 340 00:19:33,420 --> 00:19:34,780 Hey, Pete. 341 00:19:35,900 --> 00:19:37,340 Hello, Mark. 342 00:19:37,500 --> 00:19:39,620 What a lovely lady your missus is. 343 00:19:41,100 --> 00:19:42,260 I was just about to call you. 344 00:19:42,460 --> 00:19:44,900 You're punching above your weight there, buddy. 345 00:19:50,140 --> 00:19:51,540 Three grand. 346 00:19:51,700 --> 00:19:53,020 And my apologies. 347 00:19:54,780 --> 00:19:57,780 I was stressed about some deals and screwed up the paperwork. 348 00:19:57,980 --> 00:20:01,500 I accidentally paid Salthouse's cheque into my personal account. 349 00:20:01,660 --> 00:20:03,380 But, er... 350 00:20:04,700 --> 00:20:05,980 ..there it is. 351 00:20:07,660 --> 00:20:08,980 All there. 352 00:20:14,540 --> 00:20:17,340 You know what we used to call blokes like Pete, Maria? 353 00:20:19,300 --> 00:20:20,740 Filth. 354 00:20:21,940 --> 00:20:24,500 Failed in London, tried Hong-Kong. 355 00:20:24,700 --> 00:20:26,940 Bit of a Wild West out there, wasn't it, mate? 356 00:20:27,140 --> 00:20:29,380 Attracted a very distinct sort of person. 357 00:20:30,820 --> 00:20:32,580 I see you, buddy. 358 00:20:37,060 --> 00:20:39,500 Lovely to meet you, Maria. I'll let myself out. 359 00:20:48,580 --> 00:20:50,020 I'm sorry about that. 360 00:20:54,900 --> 00:20:56,300 I need a shower. 361 00:20:58,580 --> 00:21:00,140 This isn't working, Pete. 362 00:21:01,580 --> 00:21:03,140 You and me. 363 00:21:05,300 --> 00:21:06,740 I'm sorry, but... 364 00:21:08,580 --> 00:21:10,740 ..this just isn't what I thought I was buying. 365 00:21:11,959 --> 00:21:13,399 It'll get better, babes. 366 00:21:15,460 --> 00:21:17,140 Trust me. 367 00:21:18,351 --> 00:21:20,631 I've got some really good business coming in. 368 00:21:40,220 --> 00:21:43,720 Oh, I forgot to say, I've got a couple of guests arriving. 369 00:21:44,065 --> 00:21:45,705 Can you show them in, please, Liz? 370 00:21:45,779 --> 00:21:46,885 Yes. 371 00:21:47,631 --> 00:21:49,231 Thanks. 372 00:22:01,781 --> 00:22:03,461 Adrian... 373 00:22:04,685 --> 00:22:06,525 Have you got five minutes? 374 00:22:21,340 --> 00:22:23,780 Well, obviously I recognise her, 375 00:22:23,839 --> 00:22:26,877 but I don't recall ever seeing her at the house at any point. 376 00:22:27,564 --> 00:22:28,755 As Jamie said, 377 00:22:28,780 --> 00:22:31,924 if we had have seen her, we would have discussed it at the time. 378 00:22:31,999 --> 00:22:34,279 It was a huge story. Absolutely. 379 00:22:36,940 --> 00:22:38,460 Er, so... 380 00:22:38,660 --> 00:22:42,300 ..Mr Hollis, he told us that the four of you had gone down 381 00:22:42,500 --> 00:22:45,340 on your own, at first, to play golf. Yes. 382 00:22:46,900 --> 00:22:51,954 And then your wife Derran and your girls arrived on the 31st. 383 00:22:52,212 --> 00:22:53,315 Yes. 384 00:22:53,418 --> 00:22:55,698 And how old were they, the kids? 385 00:22:55,780 --> 00:22:59,140 Er, Claire would have been eight 386 00:22:59,300 --> 00:23:01,180 and Emma just turned ten. 387 00:23:01,380 --> 00:23:03,180 I'm sorry, just to go back on one thing. 388 00:23:03,380 --> 00:23:07,260 New Year's, the kids would have gone to bed at...? 389 00:23:07,420 --> 00:23:09,620 Er, nine, ten, maybe. 390 00:23:10,660 --> 00:23:13,780 And no-one went out after that? Nope. 391 00:23:15,260 --> 00:23:17,420 What car where you driving back then, Dr Finch? 392 00:23:18,860 --> 00:23:20,740 Erm... 393 00:23:20,900 --> 00:23:24,340 ..I had my Audi in '99, I think. 394 00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:25,940 An A4. 395 00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:27,980 Sorry, was that the saloon or...? 396 00:23:28,180 --> 00:23:32,940 No, the estate. We needed the space for holidays and stuff. 397 00:23:33,140 --> 00:23:36,620 To save faffing around with a top box or a trailer or any of that. 398 00:23:37,740 --> 00:23:39,020 And what colour was it? 399 00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:41,820 Silver. 400 00:23:42,020 --> 00:23:46,340 And your wife and kids, they went down by train? 401 00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:48,700 With Jamie's wife and son. 402 00:23:50,780 --> 00:23:54,020 And everybody headed back to London on the 2nd? Yes. 403 00:23:56,180 --> 00:23:57,620 Did you all live in London then? 404 00:23:57,780 --> 00:23:59,780 All except Pete. 405 00:23:59,940 --> 00:24:01,700 He lived in Hong Kong. 406 00:24:05,500 --> 00:24:07,700 And your marriage to Derran, that ended when? 407 00:24:10,420 --> 00:24:13,980 What relevance has when my marriage ended to anything? 408 00:24:15,980 --> 00:24:19,060 Sorry. If any question makes you feel uncomfortable, 409 00:24:19,220 --> 00:24:20,700 you don't have to answer. 410 00:24:20,860 --> 00:24:24,380 We separated in 2001. 411 00:24:24,540 --> 00:24:25,700 OK. 412 00:24:26,820 --> 00:24:29,780 And do you remember when Mr Hollis and his wife separated? 413 00:24:29,940 --> 00:24:32,780 Same year, I think. Or maybe 2000. 414 00:24:32,940 --> 00:24:34,740 And Chris Lowe and his wife? 415 00:24:34,900 --> 00:24:37,420 Yeah, roughly the same time. 416 00:24:39,220 --> 00:24:41,180 And are you still in contact with Derran, 417 00:24:41,340 --> 00:24:43,540 if we wanted to speak with her? 418 00:24:43,740 --> 00:24:45,540 I haven't seen Derran for many years, 419 00:24:45,740 --> 00:24:47,900 but I can get a number from my kids, if you need it. 420 00:24:47,940 --> 00:24:49,540 That would be very helpful, thank you. 421 00:24:49,700 --> 00:24:52,620 Oh, I should just say that, er... 422 00:24:53,740 --> 00:24:58,940 ..she's had a number of issues over the last couple of decades, 423 00:24:59,100 --> 00:25:01,620 depression, anxiety and so, erm... 424 00:25:01,820 --> 00:25:04,100 ..I'm not entirely sure you'll find her 425 00:25:04,260 --> 00:25:05,780 the most reliable of narrators. 426 00:25:05,940 --> 00:25:06,940 OK. 427 00:25:07,980 --> 00:25:09,580 Well, thank you for that. 428 00:25:11,180 --> 00:25:13,180 And then, one last thing, 429 00:25:13,340 --> 00:25:15,660 and, er... I should say, 430 00:25:15,820 --> 00:25:17,380 do feel free to say no. 431 00:25:18,420 --> 00:25:21,260 But in order to help eliminate you from our enquiries, 432 00:25:21,460 --> 00:25:23,740 how would you feel about giving us a DNA swab? 433 00:25:24,980 --> 00:25:26,340 Yes, of course. No problem. 434 00:25:28,620 --> 00:25:32,460 So, if nobody went out after ten, then it can't be them. 435 00:25:32,660 --> 00:25:35,460 I mean, we know Hayley was seen alive at 12:10, so... 436 00:25:36,660 --> 00:25:38,340 Yeah, I think you're right. 437 00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:41,500 And if we're spinning our wheels on these guys, 438 00:25:41,660 --> 00:25:43,460 I don't want to waste any more time. 439 00:25:43,620 --> 00:25:45,220 Let's take the last two separately. 440 00:25:46,340 --> 00:25:47,980 Hi, Dad, it's me. 441 00:25:49,060 --> 00:25:51,060 Look, I'm really sorry, I'm going to be a bit late. 442 00:25:53,380 --> 00:25:55,500 Please... call me. 443 00:26:07,020 --> 00:26:09,700 How many times have you been here before, Jamie? 444 00:26:09,860 --> 00:26:11,300 It'll be fine. 445 00:26:12,620 --> 00:26:14,620 You know, the longer this goes on... 446 00:26:15,740 --> 00:26:17,300 ..the more his problems... 447 00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:20,020 ..consume him. 448 00:26:21,220 --> 00:26:25,460 The more you look at the paths we took, the choices we made, I made... 449 00:26:26,740 --> 00:26:27,900 ..and think... 450 00:26:29,420 --> 00:26:30,860 ..was it then? 451 00:26:31,020 --> 00:26:32,900 Was it that choice... 452 00:26:33,060 --> 00:26:34,820 ..or that choice... 453 00:26:34,980 --> 00:26:36,780 ..that messed everything up? 454 00:26:36,940 --> 00:26:38,420 Was it then... 455 00:26:40,180 --> 00:26:41,780 ..that I ruined my child's life? 456 00:26:49,620 --> 00:26:51,260 Call me. 457 00:27:04,980 --> 00:27:06,980 Sometimes, I just... 458 00:27:07,180 --> 00:27:08,500 Hi... Hello. 459 00:27:08,700 --> 00:27:11,020 Gemma left some school books at mine, I brought them round. 460 00:27:11,140 --> 00:27:13,900 And then she wanted to show me her room. Right. 461 00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:16,020 Lovely place, though. Thank you. 462 00:27:17,740 --> 00:27:19,860 Anyway, I need to shoot off. 463 00:27:21,180 --> 00:27:23,340 Nice to see you. And you. 464 00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:24,740 Bye, girls. 465 00:27:26,380 --> 00:27:28,540 Bye. Bye. 466 00:27:32,860 --> 00:27:36,780 Yeah, well, you see, I'm from the clip-round-the-ear-hole generation. 467 00:27:36,980 --> 00:27:39,580 I think he'd still like to, to be honest. Oh, dear. 468 00:27:39,780 --> 00:27:41,500 And do you have children? No! 469 00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:43,620 Never had the urge to be a mother. 470 00:27:43,820 --> 00:27:46,180 Wow. Smart move. Tell me about it. 471 00:27:46,380 --> 00:27:48,340 They take so much from you, don't they? 472 00:27:48,540 --> 00:27:51,260 Not sure I'd see it quite like. Just, I'm too selfish, I think. 473 00:27:51,460 --> 00:27:53,340 Yeah? Liked my career too much. 474 00:27:53,540 --> 00:27:56,700 I think, if you are going to have children, you need to be around. 475 00:27:58,100 --> 00:28:00,260 Whoops. Well, yes. 476 00:28:00,460 --> 00:28:04,140 I mean, an evening like tonight, it's fine you letting us down, 477 00:28:04,340 --> 00:28:06,900 but how did you cope when that was your kids, 478 00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:09,260 turning up two hours late for supper? 479 00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:11,820 Oh, we, erm... muddled through. 480 00:28:14,220 --> 00:28:16,460 Anyway, Dad tells me you're off to Venice at the weekend. 481 00:28:16,660 --> 00:28:20,420 I know. You should tell him to stop spoiling me. I should. 482 00:28:21,500 --> 00:28:22,940 And first class, too. 483 00:28:24,060 --> 00:28:25,420 Venice? 484 00:28:34,940 --> 00:28:36,700 Right. Yeah. 485 00:28:38,500 --> 00:28:40,420 Funny. Very funny. 486 00:28:47,580 --> 00:28:49,740 Actually that's not quite what I said. 487 00:28:49,780 --> 00:28:51,660 OK. 488 00:28:51,860 --> 00:28:54,500 I have it here, you said you saw her leave just after midnight. 489 00:28:54,660 --> 00:28:56,140 No, I said she would have left 490 00:28:56,340 --> 00:28:57,900 just after her shift ended at midnight. 491 00:28:58,060 --> 00:28:59,980 I never said I actually saw her. 492 00:29:00,140 --> 00:29:01,340 Right. 493 00:29:01,540 --> 00:29:04,020 Guy Halford, the manager, he's the one who actually saw her. 494 00:29:05,380 --> 00:29:08,260 Sorry. And so what was the last time you saw her? 495 00:29:08,420 --> 00:29:10,340 Just before 11. 496 00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:12,940 I was working through till three 497 00:29:13,100 --> 00:29:14,620 and I took a half-hour break then. 498 00:29:14,820 --> 00:29:16,420 When Guy came back, he put me in the bar 499 00:29:16,620 --> 00:29:19,780 and I just presumed that Hayley was finishing up in the restaurant. 500 00:29:19,980 --> 00:29:23,740 And Guy Halford, does he still live in Middenham? 501 00:29:46,900 --> 00:29:48,500 Hi. Hi. 502 00:29:49,660 --> 00:29:52,940 I'm looking for Christopher Lowe. 503 00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:54,180 Hello. 504 00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:06,420 Go on... 505 00:30:07,700 --> 00:30:08,900 Stay there. Stay. 506 00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:23,260 Mr Carr? Yeah. 507 00:30:26,140 --> 00:30:28,860 DI Sunny Khan. Have you got five minutes? 508 00:30:38,300 --> 00:30:39,660 No, I'm... 509 00:30:39,820 --> 00:30:40,940 Sorry. 510 00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:42,260 OK. 511 00:30:44,860 --> 00:30:46,540 Absolutely sure? 512 00:30:46,740 --> 00:30:49,980 Yeah. You know who she is, though? 513 00:30:50,140 --> 00:30:51,980 Yeah. Of course, yeah. 514 00:30:52,180 --> 00:30:54,940 I mean, I never saw her in that house. 515 00:30:56,460 --> 00:30:58,700 Are you OK, Mr Lowe? Yeah. 516 00:30:58,860 --> 00:31:00,420 Yeah, I just... 517 00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:02,900 I don't cope with stress very well. 518 00:31:03,060 --> 00:31:05,380 Would you prefer to have someone with you? No. No. 519 00:31:05,580 --> 00:31:08,220 No, I'm fine for now. OK. 520 00:31:08,420 --> 00:31:10,620 So we're just asking everyone we speak to 521 00:31:10,820 --> 00:31:13,780 a number of general questions to help us with our enquiries. 522 00:31:13,980 --> 00:31:18,260 So, can you tell me what car you were driving that week? 523 00:31:18,460 --> 00:31:20,220 I didn't take a car. I went down with Tim. 524 00:31:21,620 --> 00:31:25,340 And then, did you and your family travel back with him or...? 525 00:31:25,540 --> 00:31:27,860 My wife drove down with our daughter 526 00:31:28,020 --> 00:31:29,500 and we went back in her car. 527 00:31:29,660 --> 00:31:30,900 Right. 528 00:31:31,060 --> 00:31:32,620 So what car was she driving? 529 00:31:33,740 --> 00:31:36,427 She would have been driving the Maserati. 530 00:31:40,980 --> 00:31:42,300 Right. 531 00:31:56,900 --> 00:32:00,180 You know what? I think I did see her at the house. 532 00:32:02,552 --> 00:32:04,992 Right. Are you sure? 533 00:32:05,043 --> 00:32:07,243 Yeah. Just one time, but, er... 534 00:32:07,740 --> 00:32:09,900 ..she's got a distinctive face, I guess. 535 00:32:09,940 --> 00:32:11,970 I think that was her. OK. 536 00:32:12,582 --> 00:32:14,062 Was that on your own or...? 537 00:32:14,097 --> 00:32:16,618 Erm, I'd come back from a round early. 538 00:32:16,670 --> 00:32:19,626 I was still a bit jet-lagged, so I went back to the house for a kip. 539 00:32:19,700 --> 00:32:22,820 Er, when I walked in, she was there, hoovering. 540 00:32:23,020 --> 00:32:26,371 I said hello and asked if there was anything else she could do, 541 00:32:26,418 --> 00:32:27,818 cos of the noise. 542 00:32:27,994 --> 00:32:29,473 What day would this have been? 543 00:32:29,498 --> 00:32:30,550 Oh... 544 00:32:30,785 --> 00:32:34,152 I'd have to check a calendar. Do you know when it was rented from? 545 00:32:34,180 --> 00:32:35,270 Yeah. 546 00:32:35,295 --> 00:32:36,295 Er... 547 00:32:37,780 --> 00:32:39,180 ..Monday the 27th. 548 00:32:39,380 --> 00:32:43,140 Monday. Well, we arrived in the evening, I remember that. 549 00:32:43,340 --> 00:32:45,300 I think we just chilled the next day, 550 00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:47,300 had a couple of bevvies in the local 551 00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:49,260 and played our first round the day after. 552 00:32:49,420 --> 00:32:52,060 So I'm thinking the Wednesday. 553 00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:56,500 Just to go back to the conversation with her, 554 00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:59,100 was it just about the hoovering, was it? Yeah. 555 00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:02,340 When I woke up, the other lads were back and she'd gone. 556 00:33:02,540 --> 00:33:05,020 And you didn't discuss this with any of the others? 557 00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:08,140 Discuss what? 558 00:33:09,540 --> 00:33:11,460 That this girl... 559 00:33:12,900 --> 00:33:15,460 ..who later went missing, had been in the house you all rented. 560 00:33:15,620 --> 00:33:17,220 No. 561 00:33:17,420 --> 00:33:20,260 I mean, I drove back to London on the 2nd 562 00:33:20,460 --> 00:33:23,300 and then flew out to Hong Kong first thing the next day, so... 563 00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:26,460 This was a big story? 564 00:33:27,820 --> 00:33:31,180 It was huge. It was in all the national newspapers for weeks. 565 00:33:31,380 --> 00:33:33,860 Right, well, I had no idea about that. 566 00:33:36,140 --> 00:33:39,540 And her photo being on the front pages the last couple of days. 567 00:33:39,740 --> 00:33:42,940 Work's been pretty crazy. I haven't had time to look at the papers. 568 00:33:44,180 --> 00:33:48,140 I'm sorry, but the first I've ever heard of this girl is, er... now. 569 00:33:50,820 --> 00:33:53,660 I suppose one of us would have cooked 570 00:33:53,860 --> 00:33:55,780 and then all of us, with kids, I mean, 571 00:33:55,940 --> 00:33:57,540 would have eaten together. 572 00:33:57,700 --> 00:33:59,180 And that was a pleasant evening? 573 00:33:59,380 --> 00:34:01,300 Yeah. Everyone had a nice time? 574 00:34:01,343 --> 00:34:03,236 Yeah, we had a nice time. Why do you ask that? 575 00:34:03,260 --> 00:34:04,780 Well, just... 576 00:34:04,831 --> 00:34:09,631 Because Christmas and New Year can be quite stressful, can't it? 577 00:34:09,980 --> 00:34:12,540 And I understand your marriage broke down not long after. 578 00:34:12,575 --> 00:34:14,098 What has that got to do with anything? 579 00:34:14,123 --> 00:34:15,856 Well, I wondered if that was in any way 580 00:34:15,935 --> 00:34:18,775 connected to something that happened on this break. 581 00:34:19,146 --> 00:34:21,906 You know, I think I do, I do need someone with me. 582 00:34:21,942 --> 00:34:24,254 Mm. And I can arrange that. Of course. 583 00:34:24,279 --> 00:34:26,122 But can you answer that question, please? 584 00:34:26,147 --> 00:34:29,848 Because I'm aware that, of the three of you that were married, 585 00:34:30,231 --> 00:34:33,254 all of you were separated within the year. 586 00:34:33,340 --> 00:34:36,220 No, that was, that was, that was nothing to do with anything 587 00:34:36,247 --> 00:34:37,751 that happened on that break. 588 00:34:37,776 --> 00:34:38,856 So... 589 00:34:40,272 --> 00:34:41,392 Sure. 590 00:34:42,857 --> 00:34:44,119 Who's that? 591 00:34:45,721 --> 00:34:50,180 That's my girlfriend and her son. I want to stop now, please. 592 00:34:50,770 --> 00:34:52,330 One more thing. 593 00:34:56,020 --> 00:34:58,300 Lastly, we're asking everyone that we speak to 594 00:34:58,500 --> 00:35:01,380 how they'd feel about providing a DNA swab. 595 00:35:02,187 --> 00:35:04,187 Entirely voluntary of course. 596 00:35:04,729 --> 00:35:06,129 How would you feel about that? 597 00:35:07,015 --> 00:35:08,455 Not a problem. 598 00:35:08,591 --> 00:35:10,111 Good. It won't take a minute. 599 00:35:17,837 --> 00:35:19,980 Mr Mullery, DC Jake Collier. 600 00:35:20,008 --> 00:35:22,036 Have you got five minutes for a quick chat, sir? 601 00:35:22,060 --> 00:35:23,380 Now, you'll have my home address, 602 00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:25,660 but you decided to come here because you thought what? 603 00:35:25,700 --> 00:35:27,180 That I'd be embarrassed 604 00:35:27,380 --> 00:35:29,740 and gratefully duck into some car so no-one saw? 605 00:35:29,940 --> 00:35:32,100 I just want to ask a few quick questions, sir. 606 00:35:32,140 --> 00:35:34,140 So a couple of hours ago, the head suggested 607 00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:35,740 that maybe I should take some leave. 608 00:35:35,820 --> 00:35:38,300 Some of the parents have been uncomfortable with the situation. 609 00:35:38,460 --> 00:35:40,900 And, of course, I could refuse because she has no legal right. 610 00:35:40,940 --> 00:35:43,380 But do you know what? I have spent the past 18 years 611 00:35:43,580 --> 00:35:45,940 telling people that I wasn't even charged, 612 00:35:46,140 --> 00:35:47,700 that not one single piece of evidence 613 00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:49,620 could ever be found to incriminate me, 614 00:35:49,780 --> 00:35:51,700 that the lead detective retired 615 00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:54,220 just before a misconduct case could be brought against him. 616 00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:56,540 So I am knackered 617 00:35:56,740 --> 00:35:59,940 and I'll take the paid break, thank you very much. 618 00:36:00,100 --> 00:36:01,340 But what it also means 619 00:36:01,540 --> 00:36:03,700 is that I am not remotely fucking embarrassed, mate. 620 00:36:04,780 --> 00:36:07,340 I'm not remotely embarrassed to stand here 621 00:36:07,540 --> 00:36:10,980 and tell you loudly, no, I will not talk to you. 622 00:36:11,140 --> 00:36:12,620 I will not sit in a car or a room 623 00:36:12,820 --> 00:36:15,020 or anywhere with you, voluntarily, ever. 624 00:36:15,220 --> 00:36:18,020 And if you want to arrest me, be my guest. 625 00:36:18,220 --> 00:36:20,820 But I'll not say another fucking word to you. 626 00:36:20,980 --> 00:36:22,500 Not even, "No comment." 627 00:36:22,660 --> 00:36:24,780 Because I think the police are scum. 628 00:36:24,820 --> 00:36:27,500 I think you lie. I think you break the law. 629 00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:29,460 I think you take bribes and you sell stories. 630 00:36:29,540 --> 00:36:33,420 But worse than that, most unforgiveable of all, 631 00:36:33,580 --> 00:36:35,860 I think you're thick. 632 00:36:36,060 --> 00:36:38,740 I think your ranks are made up of dim-witted mediocrity 633 00:36:38,940 --> 00:36:40,820 who joined the force because they want power 634 00:36:41,020 --> 00:36:43,300 but they're too stupid to get employed anywhere else. 635 00:36:44,660 --> 00:36:47,420 So... shame on you... 636 00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:50,460 ..for the way you treated me... 637 00:36:52,820 --> 00:36:55,860 ..for letting Hayley down so... catastrophically. 638 00:36:57,500 --> 00:37:00,660 And shame on you, DC Jake Collier... 639 00:37:02,260 --> 00:37:04,180 for becoming a police officer. 640 00:37:15,780 --> 00:37:17,460 And how sure did he seem? 641 00:37:17,660 --> 00:37:19,660 Pretty sure. It was an instinctive reaction. 642 00:37:19,860 --> 00:37:22,100 I don't think he was recognising her from the newspapers. 643 00:37:22,220 --> 00:37:24,380 So this definitively places her in the house, 644 00:37:24,420 --> 00:37:27,340 possibly with all four men, before the wives and kids arrived? Yeah. 645 00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:29,620 What was he like otherwise? 646 00:37:30,740 --> 00:37:31,860 Odd. 647 00:37:32,020 --> 00:37:33,180 An odd mixture. 648 00:37:34,260 --> 00:37:36,980 I mean, I guess you've got to ask, why would he be telling me 649 00:37:37,180 --> 00:37:39,476 that he saw Hayley in the house if he had something to hide? 650 00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:40,820 But... 651 00:37:41,020 --> 00:37:44,220 But when I asked him if he'd give a DNA swab, 652 00:37:44,420 --> 00:37:47,020 he slightly looked like he'd just shat himself. 653 00:37:49,620 --> 00:37:51,500 What's his background? 654 00:37:51,660 --> 00:37:53,100 Er... 655 00:37:54,660 --> 00:37:57,540 Lived and worked in Hong Kong for 25 years. 656 00:37:57,740 --> 00:38:01,140 Only married for the first time six years ago. 657 00:38:02,420 --> 00:38:04,820 No previous convictions, at least not here. 658 00:38:04,980 --> 00:38:06,140 Ah... 659 00:38:06,340 --> 00:38:08,260 Drove down to Middenham on a motorbike. 660 00:38:08,460 --> 00:38:12,140 Do we have a response from James Hollis about his car yet? 661 00:38:12,340 --> 00:38:14,820 I'll chase that. Er, how was your man? 662 00:38:16,380 --> 00:38:17,660 So, erm... 663 00:38:18,740 --> 00:38:20,460 He lives in a camper van. 664 00:38:20,620 --> 00:38:21,740 Oh. 665 00:38:21,940 --> 00:38:26,140 I'd say he's definitely had some mental health issues, 666 00:38:26,180 --> 00:38:28,340 looks like he hasn't got a pot to piss in. 667 00:38:28,380 --> 00:38:30,660 Except, in 1999, 668 00:38:30,820 --> 00:38:34,100 he was CEO of DDM Lowe, 669 00:38:34,260 --> 00:38:38,060 his own advertising agency. 670 00:38:38,260 --> 00:38:41,140 And this is a guy who got a double first from Cambridge, 671 00:38:41,340 --> 00:38:44,500 was basically a bit of a genius through his life, 672 00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:47,780 lived in a five million quid house in Notting Hill. 673 00:38:48,860 --> 00:38:50,500 Wow. When did he leave? 674 00:38:50,660 --> 00:38:51,940 Early 2000. 675 00:38:53,020 --> 00:38:55,260 "To pursue new challenges." 676 00:38:55,460 --> 00:38:56,940 What, like, how to live in a car park? 677 00:39:00,820 --> 00:39:02,260 DCI Stuart. 678 00:39:02,420 --> 00:39:05,220 Hello, I'm just returning your call. 679 00:39:05,420 --> 00:39:08,340 It's Mel Hollis here. I'm James Hollis' ex-wife. 680 00:39:08,540 --> 00:39:10,940 Ah, Mrs Hollis. Yeah, thanks for returning my call. 681 00:39:13,980 --> 00:39:15,580 No, it wasn't a pleasant evening. 682 00:39:15,780 --> 00:39:17,940 What it was was a train wreck. 683 00:39:17,980 --> 00:39:19,380 In what way? 684 00:39:20,740 --> 00:39:23,460 Look the meal was fine, we ate, we cleared up, 685 00:39:23,660 --> 00:39:26,060 the kids were knackered, it'd been a long day getting there, 686 00:39:26,220 --> 00:39:27,900 so they went to bed about 9:30. 687 00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:30,940 Which was good. That they were in bed, I mean, 688 00:39:31,140 --> 00:39:35,860 because they didn't have to see Chris go completely nuts, 689 00:39:36,060 --> 00:39:38,220 for want of a better word. How do you mean? 690 00:39:38,260 --> 00:39:40,460 Out of the blue, he just started ranting 691 00:39:40,660 --> 00:39:43,900 about his life, his marriage, his friends... 692 00:39:45,220 --> 00:39:48,860 ..how it all meant nothing, how everything was an illusion. 693 00:39:49,060 --> 00:39:51,860 It was quiet terrifying. Wow, yeah, I can imagine. 694 00:39:52,020 --> 00:39:54,500 And, so... what did people do? 695 00:39:54,700 --> 00:39:58,060 Well, I mean, we all tried to calm him down, obviously, 696 00:39:58,220 --> 00:40:00,380 particularly Laura his wife. 697 00:40:00,580 --> 00:40:03,540 But he was flailing his arms and shouting and... 698 00:40:04,820 --> 00:40:07,540 To be honest, we were all quite relieved 699 00:40:07,740 --> 00:40:09,740 when he then just suddenly walked out. 700 00:40:09,940 --> 00:40:11,300 Of the house? Mm-hm. 701 00:40:11,500 --> 00:40:14,300 And went where? I don't know. 702 00:40:16,180 --> 00:40:17,500 Had he been drinking? 703 00:40:17,660 --> 00:40:19,100 Well, he'd had a few. 704 00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:21,300 We'd all had a few. It was New Year's Eve. 705 00:40:22,460 --> 00:40:23,620 Anything else? 706 00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:27,500 Someone might have bought some coke. 707 00:40:27,700 --> 00:40:29,420 I don't know, maybe he'd had a bit of that. 708 00:40:31,780 --> 00:40:33,060 OK. 709 00:40:33,220 --> 00:40:34,500 So who was taking coke? 710 00:40:35,980 --> 00:40:38,140 Not me. Not any of the women, actually. 711 00:40:38,180 --> 00:40:39,660 Tim Finch? 712 00:40:39,860 --> 00:40:42,260 Definitely not, no. He never did that. 713 00:40:42,420 --> 00:40:45,660 Pete, no, he was more of a drinker. 714 00:40:45,820 --> 00:40:47,620 James... yes. 715 00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:51,180 In fact, I think it was him that probably bought it. 716 00:40:51,340 --> 00:40:54,700 When Chris went out of the house, 717 00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:57,620 what time would that have been? I don't know. 718 00:40:57,820 --> 00:41:00,860 Just after ten, I guess. And did anyone go after him? 719 00:41:01,020 --> 00:41:03,380 Yeah, after a minute or two... 720 00:41:03,540 --> 00:41:05,940 ..er, James and Tim. 721 00:41:06,140 --> 00:41:08,300 Did they catch up with him? No. 722 00:41:08,340 --> 00:41:11,060 No, Chris came back on his own about an hour and a half later. 723 00:41:11,220 --> 00:41:12,700 He was absolutely drenched. 724 00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:14,660 I mean, it was raining hard at this point 725 00:41:14,860 --> 00:41:17,020 and his clothes were covered with mud 726 00:41:17,060 --> 00:41:19,420 and he went straight upstairs to bed. 727 00:41:19,620 --> 00:41:22,180 No explanation, no apology, nothing. Right. 728 00:41:22,340 --> 00:41:23,700 Where was Pete Carr at this point? 729 00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:26,060 Pete had been out since right after the meal, 730 00:41:26,260 --> 00:41:28,740 trying his luck at the pub. Trying his luck? 731 00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:30,260 The ladies. 732 00:41:31,660 --> 00:41:33,300 He got back just after midnight. 733 00:41:33,500 --> 00:41:35,660 On his own? Mm-hm. 734 00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:37,180 And pissed. 735 00:41:37,380 --> 00:41:40,140 And your husband and Dr Finch? The same. 736 00:41:40,340 --> 00:41:43,100 No, they got back just before midnight. 737 00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:45,300 Just in time for Auld Lang Syne, bless. 738 00:41:45,460 --> 00:41:47,460 Were they separate or together? 739 00:41:49,620 --> 00:41:50,940 I can't remember. 740 00:41:52,620 --> 00:41:54,580 And what happened then? 741 00:41:54,780 --> 00:41:57,180 The guys went to bed, the women stayed up 742 00:41:57,380 --> 00:41:59,540 and talked about our car crash marriages. 743 00:41:59,580 --> 00:42:00,580 OK. 744 00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:04,780 This is really important, Ms Hollis, so... 745 00:42:06,060 --> 00:42:08,060 ..I want you to think very carefully, please. 746 00:42:09,180 --> 00:42:13,820 Did you see anyone go out again after that? 747 00:42:13,980 --> 00:42:15,020 No. 748 00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:17,620 No-one went out again after that. 749 00:42:22,260 --> 00:42:23,660 You sound very certain. 750 00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:27,700 Firstly, I sat up talking to Laura and Derran 751 00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:30,900 till about three o'clock in the morning, and then... 752 00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:33,980 I wasn't going to sleep with James that night, so I slept on the sofa. 753 00:42:34,180 --> 00:42:36,780 Except, I didn't, really. Sleep, I mean. 754 00:42:36,980 --> 00:42:39,220 So that meant I would have seen if anyone had gone out. 755 00:42:39,380 --> 00:42:40,740 And they didn't. 756 00:42:43,980 --> 00:42:45,300 Right. 757 00:42:47,180 --> 00:42:48,420 Fuck. 758 00:42:48,620 --> 00:42:51,260 The last sighting of her was after they were all back in the house. 759 00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:55,660 So she could be lying. Yep. 760 00:42:55,860 --> 00:42:58,500 Or mistaken. Maybe she did sleep and one of them came down 761 00:42:58,700 --> 00:43:00,500 at four or five or whatever and then went out. 762 00:43:00,660 --> 00:43:03,540 Except, if one of them came down at four or five, 763 00:43:03,740 --> 00:43:06,580 went out then and killed her, where... 764 00:43:06,780 --> 00:43:09,620 ..where was Hayley between leaving the pub at 12:10 and four or five? 765 00:43:11,420 --> 00:43:13,580 No, that feels wrong. Yeah, maybe. 766 00:43:13,620 --> 00:43:14,980 But not as wrong as all four men 767 00:43:15,180 --> 00:43:17,340 having clearly lied to us through their teeth. 768 00:43:17,380 --> 00:43:18,820 There is that. 769 00:43:20,580 --> 00:43:21,980 I need a drink. 770 00:43:22,140 --> 00:43:23,820 There is that. 771 00:43:38,580 --> 00:43:41,060 Yeah, it was about ten past, 772 00:43:41,220 --> 00:43:43,020 maybe quarter past midnight. 773 00:43:43,220 --> 00:43:46,180 Enough time to change, anyway. For the party? Yeah. 774 00:43:46,340 --> 00:43:48,180 Cos she went as Madonna, 775 00:43:48,340 --> 00:43:50,460 the Desperately Seeking Susan one. 776 00:43:50,660 --> 00:43:52,820 You know, all the slap and the hair and everything. 777 00:43:52,980 --> 00:43:55,540 It was an '80s theme, I think. 778 00:43:58,020 --> 00:43:59,580 Sorry, just a sec. Sure. 779 00:44:07,260 --> 00:44:09,620 This is from Hayley's diary. 780 00:44:09,820 --> 00:44:14,020 "I hate the '80s, I hate fancy dress, so am going as ME!! 781 00:44:14,060 --> 00:44:16,580 "They should be so lucky. Lucky, lucky, lucky!!" 782 00:44:16,740 --> 00:44:17,820 Maybe she changed her mind. 783 00:44:19,580 --> 00:44:22,740 Were there any other female staff going to the party 784 00:44:22,940 --> 00:44:25,300 who would have been the same age, same build as Hayley? 785 00:44:32,740 --> 00:44:34,100 Hey... 786 00:44:36,260 --> 00:44:37,780 Hey, Fran, what's up? 787 00:44:37,980 --> 00:44:40,420 There was another employee, same build, same colouring, 788 00:44:40,580 --> 00:44:41,860 same hair as Hayley, 789 00:44:42,060 --> 00:44:44,380 who's just confirmed to me that she went as Madonna 790 00:44:44,540 --> 00:44:46,220 and she left around 12:10. 791 00:44:46,420 --> 00:44:48,940 So you think the manager saw her leaving, not Hayley? 792 00:44:49,140 --> 00:44:51,300 I think it has to be a very strong possibility. 793 00:44:51,340 --> 00:44:54,220 Which means the last confirmed sighting of Hayley was way earlier. 794 00:44:54,420 --> 00:44:57,580 At 11, after which she could easily have bunked off work early. 795 00:44:57,740 --> 00:44:59,660 OK, this is brilliant work, Fran. 796 00:44:59,742 --> 00:45:01,491 Let's talk first thing tomorrow. 797 00:45:01,516 --> 00:45:03,282 Goodnight, boss. You heard that? 798 00:45:03,321 --> 00:45:05,201 So she could actually have left the pub earlier. 799 00:45:05,226 --> 00:45:06,506 At 11. 800 00:45:06,659 --> 00:45:09,994 Which means we now have four men, variously pissed, 801 00:45:10,036 --> 00:45:12,316 drugged up and possibly mentally unstable, 802 00:45:12,359 --> 00:45:14,119 out somewhere in Middenham, 803 00:45:14,740 --> 00:45:16,833 at exactly the same time as Hayley. 60697

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