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(THUNDER RUMBLING)
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CRISELDA: Okay,
I'm just testing
this night vision thing.
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So maybe you can
go up to the loft.
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CRAIG: I am.
Why do you think
I've got my torch?
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CRISELDA: Okay, get the...
Get the purple suitcase
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'cause that will fit
both our stuff.
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CRAIG: I can't hear a word
you're saying.
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It's actually better
without the light, you know.
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Not for me.
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-Well, I know.
-Whoa!
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Are you, uh, ready
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for the next three days?
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Right now, the image is me.
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But what happens
when the image
is something else?
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-Shut up.
-What?
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You're five steps
away from me.
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And then your face looks
a bit stripy.
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But what's that next to you?
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-Shut up!
-(LAUGHING)
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Maybe we don't even
have to go to a church
to find ghosts.
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Anywhere could be haunted.
This house could be haunted.
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Yeah, don't freak me out
in my own house.
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I have heard
of Clophill Church.
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The way I know it actually
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is the old St. Mary's Church
in Bedfordshire.
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WILLIAM: It's about
500 years old.
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It stands on top of a hill,
well above the village.
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And that used to be
the parish church
for the area.
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MARK K.:
But then, of course,
in the Victorian period,
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with new architects,
new buildings
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and also population increases,
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they built a new
St. Mary's Church
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towards the town center
of that area.
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And sadly, the old St. Mary's
became redundant.
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WILLIAM: Eventually,
it just became
a mortuary chapel.
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They actually stopped using it
as a church as such.
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But then, somebody stole
all the lead off the roof.
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When the lead was gone,
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that's when
all the weird stuff
started happening.
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And, you know,
people started using it
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for alleged devil worshipping,
black magic,
that kind of thing.
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RUTH: It also
had the reputation
of being somewhere
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where, on Halloween,
you used to get
groups of people
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doing some kind of rites
and things like that up there.
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Sometimes you drive
past on Halloween,
you see fires up there.
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KEVIN: Well, Clophill
wasn't a cult landmark
in the 1960s and '70s.
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As well as all
the satanic stuff,
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it also had many sightings
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of apparitions
in and around the churchyard.
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MARK K.: Until the 1960s
it was a rather
nondescript place.
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Since then it has been
a breeding ground,
if you like,
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for paranormal activists
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and paranoid individuals.
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Okay. Hi, everyone.
So here we go.
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It's Friday morning,
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and the sun is shining
at the moment.
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And we're now just getting set
to get in the car,
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and basically go off
to meet the guys.
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Um, but we are kind of
running slightly late
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so I'm gonna go
and find my wife now.
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We need to hurry, though,
'cause we're running
slightly late.
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Okay, well, I'm done.
I'm just putting these
out for them.
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CRAIG: We still gotta get
everything in the car.
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-Hey, hon.
-CRISELDA: Yeah.
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CRAIG: Maybe we should take
this cross with us.
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CRISELDA: Which one?
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CRAIG: This big one
on the wall.
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Maybe give us
a bit of protection.
What do you reckon?
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CRISELDA: Any advice you wanna
give me and Dad?
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Good luck
and bring your rosary.
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-I do have.
I already have it in my bag.
-(LAUGHS) Yeah.
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CRISELDA:
You think we'll be successful?
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-What do you think?
-Yeah.
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Yeah, it's gonna
be really good, all right?
You be safe.
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There are gonna
be ghosts, Mummy.
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-CRISELDA: Well, that's...
-Real ghosts.
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CRISELDA: That's what
we're trying
to find out, really.
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But there's gonna be
real ghosts.
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-What do you think?
-Real ghosts.
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You think they'll come out?
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Would you be scared
if you see a ghost?
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You won't?
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Because when I go to bed,
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I see friendly ghosts
beside my bed.
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Do you? Do you still
see them up to now?
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I thought that's only
when you were little.
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-Witches.
-What?
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-Witches?
-But they're nice.
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You never told me
about witches.
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-They're nice.
-They're nice?
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But they're ghosts.
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Any advice that you'd give me?
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Ghosts that have big eyes
might be friendly.
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All right.
Are they normally friendly
when they've got big eyes?
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My witches are.
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All right.
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But if they don't
have big eyes,
would they be friendly?
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I don't know.
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CRISELDA: All set to go.
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-Have you locked
the backdoor?
-Yep.
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Well, I got involved
with this project.
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Um, obviously I knew...
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I knew Kevin and Mike, uh...
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Producers of the film,
for a while now.
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They also knew that I'd had
a previous experience myself
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with a ghost.
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Which was interesting
with someone like me,
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because I have never
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previously been someone
who's been that kind of,
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you know, person to believe
in that kind of stuff.
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I'm not religious. I...
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I've never... Never have been.
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Never been christened
from birth so...
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You know, then I had
an undeniable experience,
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that when you have it,
you just can't deny,
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and Kevin knew this.
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So he asked me
to come along
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and be involved, you know,
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with that obviously
as an experience
I've had in the past
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to maybe give
some insight into things
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that we might see
up at Clophill.
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KEVIN: I first heard
about Clophill Church
about 20 years ago.
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All I knew back then was that
it was a ruined church
on top of a hill,
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had a history of witchcraft
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and allegedly had faced
the wrong way towards Satan.
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There's the legend
of Sophia's ghost,
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all kinds of things.
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A guy I knew
from the local university
at Bedford,
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who I'd known for years,
contacted me.
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He sent me a video
of an investigation
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that he carried out
for Clophill Church.
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Basically, a group of them
had spend the night there
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and set up cameras
in different areas
of the churchyard
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and inside the church.
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And the night went
without incident.
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But then, the next day
they were searching
through the tapes,
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they noticed certain things
on the tapes
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they couldn't explain.
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Well, they were pretty
creeped out by this.
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So knowing that
I was a local filmmaker,
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they thought
it might be something
I'd be interested in.
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So they contacted me,
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and that was
kind of the catalyst
for the project.
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(KNOCKING ON DOOR)
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-KEVIN: Hey! Morning.
-Hello. Morning, Kev.
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-KEVIN: Hey, Mike.
-Hey, Kevin, my man,
how's it going?
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-Good to see you.
-Good.
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MICHAEL: It's very hot and...
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-KEVIN: Really hot
in my house.
-Every time we shoot...
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Every time
we shoot a film, this happens.
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-It's been too long.
-Yes, it has.
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KEVIN: Hey, Cris,
how you doing?
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CRISELDA ON PHONE:
I'm good, thank you.
Craig's just driving.
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KEVIN: Yeah, if you park
in the hotel car park,
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we're gonna be
downstairs in the bar,
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just checking Mark
and Mike out now.
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KEVIN: Very patriotic shot
with you guys
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with the Union Jack.
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My name is Mark Jeavons.
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I'm 29 and I'm a filmmaker
from Wolverhampton.
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MICHAEL: Do you believe
in the paranormal?
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Um, I don't believe per se
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because I've never...
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I've never experienced
or seen ghosts.
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But, I'm... I've got
a very open mind
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about paranormal
and such subjects,
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and I'm totally open to, uh...
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I think with so much
evidence over the years,
and so many stories,
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that there's definitely
something to it.
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CRISELDA: Are you filming me?
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-KEVIN: I'm filming you
filming me, yes.
-Yeah.
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KEVIN: We've got
lots of cameras
this weekend.
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CRISELDA: When they
mentioned about the project
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and said it's about
paranormal activity,
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and, uh, the role is going
to be a presenting role,
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also bearing in mind
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that Craig and I have had,
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you know, experiences
with the paranormal before...
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MICHAEL: And there's
the man himself.
Pull over. There he is.
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Looking very serious as well.
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KEVIN: There's only gonna be
a small crew for the film.
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And given the subject matter,
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they had to be people
that Mike and I trusted.
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We've worked with Craig
and Cris before,
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and knowing that they shared
a paranormal experience,
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thought they're ideal
candidates for the project.
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Rob was very cynical
about the whole subject,
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but Mark, Mike and myself
were much more open-minded.
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So it was a good mix
of opinions.
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CRAIG: It's an
amazing location.
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MARK J.: Yeah?
CRAIG: It really is.
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You know, seeing photos
of it is one thing,
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but just being there...
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It... It's just so rare
to find something like that.
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Um, it's so kind of isolated.
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Whoo! I can really feel
that sun on my skin.
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Scorching hot.
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KEVIN: Well, I hope it's
gonna be feeling spirits
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as well as the sun
this weekend. (LAUGHS)
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(MIMICKING EERIE CRY)
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Hopefully, the spirits
like the heat.
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CRISELDA: Yeah.
CRAIG: Okay, let's
take a wander.
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The church itself,
there's always been rumors.
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The rumor is that the vicar,
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he put the rumor around
that there was a ghost
in the church.
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Because he made this rumor,
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everybody went out
with their black magic,
the whole lot.
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And from that day to this,
it's always had that stigma
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that it's haunted,
black magic.
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All sorts of things.
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ALEX: I remember
Reverend Barker
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as being a very congenial,
nice person,
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but did like a drink.
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The vicar... He was a vicar,
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and he used to take
these bones round
to the pub
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so he could get
his beer free.
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No, it was true.
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-CRISELDA: Was it true?
-Yeah, yeah,
it was true, yes.
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CRISELDA: Okay.
KEVIN: What bones were they?
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Human bones.
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What had been dug up
in the black magic
at the church.
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CRISELDA: Do you actually
know who did this
black magic up there?
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-No. No.
-No?
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Or where they come from?
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No, I didn't know nothing
at all about them.
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I used to come in the night
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and they were gone,
you know.
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CRAIG: Do you walk
up there at night?
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-STAN: Do I? No. No.
-(CRISELDA LAUGHS)
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No. There's nobody
up there to haunt you
at night anyways.
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Dead people
don't hurt nobody.
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CRAIG: Yeah, the people
in Clophill were interesting.
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A lot of them have lived there
for a very long time,
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so you get the impression
that they surely must know,
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you know, a lot of the stuff
that's gone on there.
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We got the impression
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that they weren't
too happy to talk about it,
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whether it's to get people
away from Clophill,
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to, sort of, get rid
of the interest in the area
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or if it's something else.
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If I lived in Clophill,
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I'd like its reputation
to just disappear.
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But the fact it is haunted,
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it's almost impossible
to investigate.
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I found it almost
impossible to go up there
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without loads of people
turning up.
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(SCREAMS)
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(LAUGHS)
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They'd all turned up there
to scare themselves.
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Now, I'm sure that the locals
aren't particularly
happy with that.
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Very, very quiet site.
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And literally out
in the middle of nowhere.
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There are no houses around.
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There's a farm
in the distance,
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and there's Clophill itself
down the bottom of the valley.
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We are talking
probably about a kilometer
from the nearest habitations.
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A very quiet site.
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But it has a reputation,
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a very bad reputation.
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Basically, it was the site
of a black mass,
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people worshiping Satan,
or worshiping evil.
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CRISELDA: When we first
got to the site,
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during the daytime,
we were setting up
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and just looking
around the area, really.
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CRAIG: It was very peaceful,
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beautiful, in fact, scenery,
looking around.
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But we walked
into the church itself.
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CRISELDA: You know,
just looking at the walls.
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Loads of writings
on the walls.
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And at the corner
we just saw this little...
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-It's a stick.
-CRISELDA: No, it is a leg.
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CRISELDA: That is gross.
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CRISELDA: No, it's bigger.
CRAIG: Oh, God!
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CRISELDA: It's bigger.
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There were, like, big teeth.
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-And we were, like, "Wow!
-(CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS)
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"That's gross. What is it?
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"Is it human teeth
or is it animal teeth?"
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'Cause it was hard to tell.
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CRISELDA: Shit!
Underneath the rock.
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-KEVIN: What's that?
-It's a horn.
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At the back of the grass,
against the wall,
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was this horn.
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CRAIG: Hearing the stories
from the past
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of all the black magic
that's gone on up there,
286
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you know, these items
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are often linked
to things like that.
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It was very bizarre
and very kind of unsettling
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for the beginning
of the shoot, you know.
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Paranormal or not,
291
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there's things
that go on up there
that people aren't aware of.
292
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Yeah, someone's had
a little fire up here.
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This is precisely the area,
294
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I think, where the ritual
that was found in '63 was.
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It was in the middle
of the church
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-in the nave,
which is where we are.
-CRISELDA: Oh, yeah.
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WILLIAM: In March, 1963,
one of the graves
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of one of the people
who were buried there,
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near the doorway, was dug up.
Jenny Humberstone.
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She was the wife
of an apothecary.
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And her grave had been
dug up and they'd found
her bones in a circle
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inside the nave of the church,
303
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her skull impaled on a spike
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and cockerel feathers
placed in the circle.
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DUNCAN: Yeah,
back in 1963, March,
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Calvin Smith,
my friend, and I,
307
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we took a bike ride
from Luton to Clophill,
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and made our way
up to St. Mary's Church,
where I'm standing now.
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When I first saw
the church, I thought,
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"What a lovely old ruin."
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You know,
it was such a peaceful place.
312
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There was tranquility
about it.
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And it wasn't till we found
the skull and the bones
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that things changed,
315
00:14:10,583 --> 00:14:12,953
where it was
a peaceful start to the day
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ended up in turmoil.
317
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ALEX:
The Jenny Humberstone grave.
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Yes, the bones
were taken from that,
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laid out in ceremonial order
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for a black mass.
321
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When Calvin and I
looked through the archway,
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the skull was
on an iron spike.
323
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And the bones
were scattered around
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in a circle around the spike.
325
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There were black magic symbols
326
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or crosses on the wall.
327
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There'd been a fire.
328
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I'm sure there must
have been watchdogs
329
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to watch out for anybody
approaching the church.
330
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I picked the skull up,
331
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and Calvin,
he picked the bones up.
332
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And we was walking
around with them
333
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after the initial shock
of finding them.
334
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And a couple came along
and they sort of told us off,
335
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and they went away
and informed the vicar.
336
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When we went back
down the lane,
337
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there was the vicar
and some policemen.
338
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And we was brought
back up here
339
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and explained what happened.
340
00:15:15,715 --> 00:15:18,151
They tried
to blame Calvin and I
341
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for desecrating the tomb,
342
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but it took five policemen
and the vicar
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to put the tomb cover back on.
344
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So two little boys
couldn't have done that.
345
00:15:27,694 --> 00:15:29,296
ALEX: Well,
there are other stories
346
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about Reverend Barker
having a lot of bad luck.
347
00:15:31,598 --> 00:15:32,832
And one of them
348
00:15:32,865 --> 00:15:37,070
was his daughter,
who was run over in Shefford.
349
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I don't think his mental state
was very good after that
350
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or the black magic
that happened here.
351
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I think possibly
the drinking was a crutch
352
00:15:49,582 --> 00:15:52,652
because of what had happened.
353
00:15:52,685 --> 00:15:55,355
This thing
did worry him so much
354
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that he eventually
gave up the church
355
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because of the black magic.
356
00:16:06,099 --> 00:16:09,702
SUNNY: We were here
roughly 2006, 2007.
357
00:16:09,736 --> 00:16:12,072
Uh, we came here
towards midnight.
358
00:16:12,105 --> 00:16:14,141
-Nobody else was around.
-Yeah.
359
00:16:14,174 --> 00:16:16,043
We came around
this corner over here,
360
00:16:16,076 --> 00:16:18,211
and that's really
as far as we got,
361
00:16:18,245 --> 00:16:20,747
where we seen a white figure
362
00:16:20,780 --> 00:16:22,282
over some tombstones.
363
00:16:22,315 --> 00:16:25,452
The figure was there.
We kind of looked
at each other.
364
00:16:25,485 --> 00:16:28,555
And when we turned back,
the figure was a lot closer.
365
00:16:28,588 --> 00:16:31,224
CRISELDA: What did
this figure look like?
366
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SUNNY: It was
roughly 5 foot tall.
367
00:16:33,526 --> 00:16:35,495
If you can imagine it
pitch-black right now,
368
00:16:35,528 --> 00:16:37,364
and you seen
a figure 5 foot tall,
369
00:16:37,397 --> 00:16:38,565
you can see, like,
a head shape
and the shoulders
370
00:16:38,598 --> 00:16:41,401
and everything else
is just kind of going down.
371
00:16:41,434 --> 00:16:44,404
And it looks like, you know,
it's just standing there.
372
00:16:44,437 --> 00:16:47,374
And it just took,
like, you know,
eight to 10 steps forward
373
00:16:47,407 --> 00:16:49,742
-in a matter of seconds.
-You know,
literally seconds, yeah.
374
00:16:49,776 --> 00:16:52,379
Yeah. It just looked like,
you know, it was gonna
come towards us,
375
00:16:52,412 --> 00:16:53,880
at that point.
376
00:16:53,913 --> 00:16:56,049
I'm a bit of a coward
so I didn't even
bother looking
377
00:16:56,083 --> 00:16:58,685
where these guys were.
I just... Straight down.
378
00:16:58,718 --> 00:17:00,320
I didn't really wanna
come here today.
379
00:17:00,353 --> 00:17:02,322
But I'm here now, but...
380
00:17:03,790 --> 00:17:06,359
-This is not a very nice place
in my opinion.
-Mmm-hmm.
381
00:17:06,393 --> 00:17:09,229
-This is exactly the spot...
-Yeah. This is...
This is the area...
382
00:17:09,262 --> 00:17:11,164
-...where we were standing.
-...where you saw, right?
383
00:17:11,198 --> 00:17:13,300
SUNNY: 'Cause it was
all dark, you could
just notice something white.
384
00:17:13,333 --> 00:17:15,102
CRISELDA: Yeah.
385
00:17:15,135 --> 00:17:17,537
It wasn't there
when we first took
that corner.
386
00:17:17,570 --> 00:17:18,571
Yeah.
387
00:17:18,605 --> 00:17:20,773
It was when we got
to that arch.
388
00:17:20,807 --> 00:17:22,842
Then we looked forward
and thought, "Hang on.
389
00:17:22,875 --> 00:17:24,010
-"There's something
a little bit dodgy there."
-Yeah.
390
00:17:24,043 --> 00:17:27,680
And when we sort of
looked at each other
and looked back,
391
00:17:27,714 --> 00:17:28,781
this thing was a lot closer.
392
00:17:28,815 --> 00:17:30,483
Thing is, when you tell people
about these things,
393
00:17:30,517 --> 00:17:32,352
they don't tend
to believe you, do they?
394
00:17:32,385 --> 00:17:34,154
When you've seen something
like this for yourself,
395
00:17:34,187 --> 00:17:35,588
you tend to take it
a lot more seriously.
396
00:17:35,622 --> 00:17:37,590
-Yeah.
-Which is why I'm here today,
I suppose.
397
00:17:37,624 --> 00:17:39,292
These are the kind of things
you are expecting to do
398
00:17:39,326 --> 00:17:40,527
later on tonight
then, are they?
399
00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,530
CRISELDA: Well, we don't know
what to expect,
400
00:17:43,563 --> 00:17:45,832
so we want to do
a little investigation,
401
00:17:45,865 --> 00:17:48,201
-and see what
we find out, really.
-Yeah, yeah.
402
00:17:48,235 --> 00:17:51,871
You know,
if it's true or not or...
It'd be good maybe.
403
00:17:51,904 --> 00:17:54,307
I definitely think
you should concentrate
your cameras on this area.
404
00:17:54,341 --> 00:17:55,375
-Yeah, you would, you would.
-In this area?
405
00:17:55,408 --> 00:17:56,443
This... This area here.
406
00:17:56,476 --> 00:17:57,544
-Is it okay if we just
move over there?
-Yeah.
407
00:17:57,577 --> 00:17:59,246
'Cause I don't feel
too comfortable standing here.
408
00:17:59,279 --> 00:18:00,780
No, sure, sure, sure.
I understand.
409
00:18:00,813 --> 00:18:03,783
Sunny... Actually, that's
a really interesting story
that Sunny told us.
410
00:18:03,816 --> 00:18:05,152
And he was so scared.
411
00:18:05,185 --> 00:18:06,753
He genuinely did not wanna go
412
00:18:06,786 --> 00:18:09,289
around the back
of that church to the corner
413
00:18:09,322 --> 00:18:11,191
where he said he saw
that white figure.
414
00:18:11,224 --> 00:18:15,762
MARK K.:
Usually, when you have
group hysteria,
415
00:18:15,795 --> 00:18:17,897
it takes one person
to trigger it
416
00:18:17,930 --> 00:18:20,600
and the others to believe
they also experienced it.
417
00:18:20,633 --> 00:18:24,837
But when you have two people
who simultaneously experienced
418
00:18:24,871 --> 00:18:28,741
a shocking apparition
coming that close to them
419
00:18:28,775 --> 00:18:30,743
in the space
of a split second,
420
00:18:30,777 --> 00:18:34,181
and then feeling
the need to flee and scarper,
421
00:18:34,214 --> 00:18:35,915
that can't be
a group hallucination
422
00:18:35,948 --> 00:18:38,551
because it's too
immediate for that.
423
00:18:43,490 --> 00:18:46,193
KEVIN: So, Craig,
do you want to tell us
what we're up to tonight?
424
00:18:46,226 --> 00:18:49,629
Yeah. Well,
we're just kind of doing
an initial scout out, really.
425
00:18:49,662 --> 00:18:52,465
Just to get
a general vibe of
who comes up here
426
00:18:52,499 --> 00:18:55,335
and, you know,
what happens over the course
of the night, really.
427
00:19:04,677 --> 00:19:06,145
CRISELDA: Don't go too far.
428
00:19:25,498 --> 00:19:26,733
(SCREAM IN THE DISTANCE)
429
00:19:29,236 --> 00:19:31,404
MAN 1: I don't think it's...
(SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY)
430
00:19:32,705 --> 00:19:35,408
MAN 2: Oi, Josh.
(SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY)
431
00:19:35,442 --> 00:19:37,444
(INDISTINCT CONVERSATION)
432
00:19:39,512 --> 00:19:40,680
(LAUGHING)
433
00:19:40,713 --> 00:19:43,683
MAN 2: Oi, there's a huge
light down there!
434
00:19:44,651 --> 00:19:46,286
(VEHICLE ENGINE REVVING)
435
00:19:59,899 --> 00:20:01,601
(LEAVES RUSTLING)
436
00:20:06,773 --> 00:20:09,709
-(WHISPERING)
You heard that, right?
-KEVIN: Yeah, I heard it.
437
00:20:09,742 --> 00:20:11,478
Yeah.
438
00:20:11,511 --> 00:20:13,746
What's down that way, Kev?
439
00:20:13,780 --> 00:20:15,815
KEVIN: Goes all the way down
to Chicksands Wood, I think.
440
00:20:56,356 --> 00:20:58,391
(WHISPERS) Whoa, whoa, Kev.
441
00:20:59,492 --> 00:21:01,561
There is someone down here.
442
00:21:04,364 --> 00:21:07,634
KEVIN: Are you sure?
I can't see anything.
443
00:21:07,667 --> 00:21:10,670
CRAIG: Yeah. I'm sure
there was someone there.
444
00:21:12,939 --> 00:21:16,275
Let's just go back.
It's getting late now anyway.
445
00:21:18,745 --> 00:21:20,480
CRAIG: Yeah, okay.
446
00:21:36,463 --> 00:21:37,564
CRAIG: So...
447
00:21:39,432 --> 00:21:41,734
Try to introduce where we are.
448
00:21:41,768 --> 00:21:45,738
We're, um, currently
at the bed and breakfast.
449
00:21:45,772 --> 00:21:48,508
It's called House Beautiful.
450
00:21:48,541 --> 00:21:52,545
And as you can see,
it's beautiful. (LAUGHS)
451
00:21:53,045 --> 00:21:54,080
CRAIG: Wow!
452
00:21:54,113 --> 00:21:56,583
(TV PLAYING INDISTINCTLY)
453
00:21:58,851 --> 00:22:00,687
CRAIG: Who's down here?
454
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:01,888
(GASPS EXAGGERATEDLY)
455
00:22:03,022 --> 00:22:05,425
Uh... And it's Mike.
456
00:22:05,458 --> 00:22:07,760
-Heya.
Trying to kill mosquitoes.
-How you doing?
457
00:22:07,794 --> 00:22:09,896
Yeah, we've just
been trying to get
daddy longlegs. (LAUGHS)
458
00:22:09,929 --> 00:22:11,964
Yeah, I've caught...
I think I got that one.
459
00:22:11,998 --> 00:22:14,100
CRAIG: Right.
Well, we're gonna
see you in the morning.
460
00:22:14,133 --> 00:22:16,936
-All right, Craig, good night.
-Good night.
461
00:22:16,969 --> 00:22:19,739
-See you in the morning.
-See you later.
462
00:22:28,014 --> 00:22:30,116
Okay. Yeah.
463
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:32,585
So, here we are, day two.
464
00:22:32,619 --> 00:22:34,654
I've got my rosary here.
465
00:22:34,687 --> 00:22:38,491
So, are you scared...
Are you scared of just simply
being alone in the dark,
466
00:22:38,525 --> 00:22:41,461
or are you scared
of things actually
being there?
467
00:22:41,494 --> 00:22:43,563
Both, really. I mean, I hate
468
00:22:43,596 --> 00:22:46,866
sort of, being outdoors
in the dark without a light.
469
00:22:46,899 --> 00:22:51,170
Anything that would
maybe touch your leg,
470
00:22:51,203 --> 00:22:53,773
or even if it's just the wind,
471
00:22:53,806 --> 00:22:57,677
because of what the area
is known for, you know.
472
00:22:57,710 --> 00:23:02,014
Obviously, maybe
your imagination might start
playing up as well.
473
00:23:02,048 --> 00:23:05,785
And, you know, I've got
quite a vivid imagination,
474
00:23:05,818 --> 00:23:07,854
to say the least. (LAUGHS)
475
00:23:08,721 --> 00:23:10,590
KEVIN: I've got Chaucer.
476
00:23:10,623 --> 00:23:12,959
-CRAIG: It is Sophie.
-Sophia.
477
00:23:12,992 --> 00:23:16,963
CRAIG: "In loving
memory of Sophia,
478
00:23:16,996 --> 00:23:21,167
"the beloved wife
of Bennet Stimson."
479
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,570
Stim... Yeah, Stimson.
480
00:23:23,603 --> 00:23:28,641
Uh... "Who died June 28,
1915, aged 70."
481
00:23:28,675 --> 00:23:29,876
KEVIN: Good start.
482
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:32,211
CRAIG: Well, I mean,
we'll obviously
have a look around later
483
00:23:32,244 --> 00:23:34,981
and see
if there are any other
Sophies or Sophias,
484
00:23:35,014 --> 00:23:37,116
-just in... I mean,
we don't know for sure...
-Yeah, it could be.
485
00:23:37,149 --> 00:23:38,918
-...that that's
the one, but...
-Could be.
486
00:23:38,951 --> 00:23:40,152
That's quite interesting
487
00:23:40,186 --> 00:23:44,023
that it's just
under this tree on its own.
488
00:23:45,625 --> 00:23:46,893
KEVIN: Ooh, well...
489
00:23:46,926 --> 00:23:48,928
Right on the top, Sophia,
right across the...
490
00:23:48,961 --> 00:23:50,863
WILLIAM: There has allegedly
been a ghost
491
00:23:50,897 --> 00:23:52,164
that has been seen there.
492
00:23:52,198 --> 00:23:54,100
A couple
were visiting the church.
493
00:23:54,133 --> 00:23:56,803
And they took a picture
through one of the windows
494
00:23:56,836 --> 00:23:58,204
in the side of the nave,
495
00:23:58,237 --> 00:24:00,473
and they saw
a misty-looking figure,
496
00:24:00,507 --> 00:24:02,775
a white figure
standing in the window.
497
00:24:02,809 --> 00:24:05,678
This figure was actually
standing about a meter
off the ground.
498
00:24:05,712 --> 00:24:08,014
The locals have
nicknamed it Sophie.
499
00:24:08,047 --> 00:24:10,082
Sophie's ghost.
500
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,529
With this site,
the things we'll be
doing tonight
501
00:24:22,562 --> 00:24:24,096
are completely different
to anything else
502
00:24:24,130 --> 00:24:25,998
we've done at this site before
503
00:24:26,032 --> 00:24:27,900
because we never
really had a chance
to investigate it.
504
00:24:27,934 --> 00:24:29,536
KEVIN: Yeah, the second night,
Bill and his team
505
00:24:29,569 --> 00:24:31,203
from the Luton
Paranormal Society joined us
for the investigation.
506
00:24:31,237 --> 00:24:34,240
They experienced something
unusual the last time
they were up there,
507
00:24:34,273 --> 00:24:36,809
but had been disturbed
by a load of teenagers.
508
00:24:36,843 --> 00:24:38,578
So this time, with our
security team in place,
509
00:24:38,611 --> 00:24:40,513
it was a good opportunity
to work together,
510
00:24:40,547 --> 00:24:42,749
maybe test out
a few experiments
and see what we could find.
511
00:24:43,616 --> 00:24:45,518
STEPHANIE: All so off.
512
00:24:45,552 --> 00:24:48,020
ROB: Something "Sophia."
STEPHANIE: "Samuel Stimson.
513
00:24:48,054 --> 00:24:49,989
"Died November the 5th."
514
00:24:50,022 --> 00:24:51,524
Have you got any paper?
515
00:24:51,558 --> 00:24:53,192
ROB: There's another Sophia,
isn't there?
516
00:24:53,225 --> 00:24:54,160
Yeah, that's right.
You could do a rubbing,
couldn't you?
517
00:24:56,596 --> 00:24:58,297
STEPHANIE: Well,
that's one word,
whatever that is.
518
00:24:58,330 --> 00:25:00,533
"Above." "Above."
"Wife of above."
519
00:25:00,567 --> 00:25:02,301
-"Sophia, the wife of above."
-"The wife of above."
520
00:25:02,334 --> 00:25:06,005
Arthur and Samuel Stimson
521
00:25:06,038 --> 00:25:07,306
were likely to be brothers
522
00:25:07,339 --> 00:25:09,275
'cause they're both
on two separate gravestones,
523
00:25:09,308 --> 00:25:11,143
-and died at roughly
the same time.
-MICHAEL: Mmm-hmm.
524
00:25:11,177 --> 00:25:13,012
But they've both got wives
called Sophia.
525
00:25:13,045 --> 00:25:14,714
Oh! So there's two of them.
526
00:25:14,747 --> 00:25:15,915
-Two Sophias.
-Mmm-hmm.
527
00:25:15,948 --> 00:25:17,083
-(SOFT SQUEALING)
-Would it take too long
528
00:25:17,116 --> 00:25:18,551
for you to power down
your camera
529
00:25:18,585 --> 00:25:20,620
-and power it back up again?
-Why?
530
00:25:20,653 --> 00:25:22,855
'Cause I've got this squealing
that's going off.
531
00:25:22,889 --> 00:25:24,657
It's like a sort of
high-pitched sort of...
532
00:25:24,691 --> 00:25:27,293
-All right.
-Getting higher
and higher in pitch.
533
00:25:27,326 --> 00:25:29,596
It's off now.
534
00:25:29,629 --> 00:25:31,297
-There's someone
with a chainsaw...
-There's... Yes.
535
00:25:31,330 --> 00:25:34,200
No, it's not that.
Flick it back on again.
536
00:25:36,703 --> 00:25:38,204
Okay, all right.
537
00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:41,641
That's not bad.
538
00:25:41,674 --> 00:25:43,643
MICHAEL: Surely, you can get
closer than that, Rob.
539
00:25:43,676 --> 00:25:46,846
Andy, Bill and Steph
were over this area,
540
00:25:46,879 --> 00:25:48,180
behind the church,
over this side.
541
00:25:48,214 --> 00:25:49,849
And Dee and myself
were just talking
542
00:25:49,882 --> 00:25:51,784
and I saw someone
behind Bill and Steph.
543
00:25:51,818 --> 00:25:54,120
ANDREW: We were taking
the EMF readings,
544
00:25:54,153 --> 00:25:56,723
'cause we had some
high EMF activity going on.
545
00:25:56,756 --> 00:25:58,591
And that's when Sarah
saw us and thought
546
00:25:58,625 --> 00:25:59,792
there was somebody else
over there.
547
00:25:59,826 --> 00:26:01,127
STEPHANIE:
We didn't know that.
548
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,131
And I sensed something over
where Andy had been so...
549
00:26:05,164 --> 00:26:07,767
And then that was backed up
with the EMF readings.
550
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,236
Well, we were about here
at the time.
551
00:26:10,269 --> 00:26:12,338
Um, probably
near those bushes,
552
00:26:12,371 --> 00:26:14,774
-in between the bushes
and the graves, wasn't it?
-ANDREW: Yeah.
553
00:26:14,807 --> 00:26:16,008
STEPHANIE: It was just there.
554
00:26:16,042 --> 00:26:18,945
CRAIG: And this all led
to obviously thinking about
555
00:26:18,978 --> 00:26:20,980
whether this place
is actually haunted or not.
556
00:26:21,013 --> 00:26:22,782
And to looking at the places
557
00:26:22,815 --> 00:26:26,953
where people had sighted
or felt things going on.
558
00:26:26,986 --> 00:26:29,756
And it all seemed
to be outside of the church.
559
00:26:29,789 --> 00:26:32,224
It turned out to be
by these gravestones,
560
00:26:32,258 --> 00:26:34,727
which, prior to us
finding them,
561
00:26:34,761 --> 00:26:38,030
no one seemed to be aware
that they were even there.
562
00:26:38,064 --> 00:26:39,899
KEVIN: Day two. Hang on.
It's day two.
563
00:26:39,932 --> 00:26:41,367
We're driving up
to Clophill at night.
564
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,836
MICHAEL: We'll see
the place in a minute.
565
00:26:43,870 --> 00:26:46,072
KEVIN: Nice shot here
of Cris driving.
MARK J.: Is this video diary?
566
00:26:46,105 --> 00:26:50,743
KEVIN: Yeah, absolutely.
CRISELDA: It's a really
bumpy road, isn't it?
567
00:26:50,777 --> 00:26:53,045
KEVIN: Just coming up
to the church now.
568
00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:56,015
Nice clear sky.
The stars are out.
569
00:26:56,048 --> 00:26:57,984
(CRISELDA CHUCKLES)
570
00:26:58,017 --> 00:26:59,986
MICHAEL: Yeah, looks like
it could be a full moon.
It's very bright.
571
00:27:00,019 --> 00:27:02,054
It's good that Gerry's
sorted himself out.
572
00:27:02,088 --> 00:27:04,991
I'm gonna have the police
to tell him where
to go, though.
573
00:27:05,024 --> 00:27:06,225
MARK J.: What, literally?
MICHAEL: Yeah.
574
00:27:06,258 --> 00:27:07,760
(ALL LAUGHING)
575
00:27:09,128 --> 00:27:12,331
My name is Gerry McGovern.
I work as a CPO.
576
00:27:12,364 --> 00:27:15,134
Client Protection Officer
in the security world.
577
00:27:15,167 --> 00:27:17,169
Also, I do security
for celebrities.
578
00:27:17,203 --> 00:27:20,172
I do private filming
location work.
579
00:27:20,206 --> 00:27:23,009
I've done various bits of
security in the 25 years
580
00:27:23,042 --> 00:27:24,376
that I've been doing it.
581
00:27:24,410 --> 00:27:26,212
Married to Dana.
We've got three children,
582
00:27:26,245 --> 00:27:27,847
two girls and a boy.
583
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,215
Basically, it was this call
from my cousin.
584
00:27:29,248 --> 00:27:30,750
Richard rang me and told me
585
00:27:30,783 --> 00:27:33,285
that he'd spoke
to Michael Bartlett.
586
00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:36,355
And our first night
was out in Clophill.
587
00:27:36,388 --> 00:27:38,124
KEVIN: We had security
in place. We had to.
588
00:27:38,157 --> 00:27:39,491
Because you get
so many kids going up there,
589
00:27:39,525 --> 00:27:42,895
it just makes it impossible
to carry out an investigation.
590
00:27:42,929 --> 00:27:44,296
So Gerry and his team
are positioned
591
00:27:44,330 --> 00:27:46,132
at all the entrances
to the churchyard.
592
00:27:46,165 --> 00:27:49,936
So, basically,
nobody could get in or out.
593
00:27:49,969 --> 00:27:52,004
KEVIN: So you're setting up
your stills cameras there?
594
00:27:52,038 --> 00:27:54,040
ANDREW: They're homemade
DIY equipment.
595
00:27:54,073 --> 00:27:56,375
Your camera,
your DVD recorder.
596
00:27:56,408 --> 00:27:59,912
You've also got
a sound recorder on there
for EVP.
597
00:27:59,946 --> 00:28:01,848
Investigation tools,
that sort of thing.
598
00:28:01,881 --> 00:28:03,315
WILLIAM: Where do you start
and where do you end?
599
00:28:03,349 --> 00:28:05,184
You can take
as much as you like
600
00:28:05,217 --> 00:28:06,753
or as little as you like.
601
00:28:06,786 --> 00:28:09,221
I've known people
who just take themselves.
602
00:28:09,255 --> 00:28:10,422
Because they say
603
00:28:10,456 --> 00:28:13,292
that the best detective
for a ghost is yourself.
604
00:28:13,325 --> 00:28:16,162
You can see it,
you can hear it,
you can feel it.
605
00:28:16,195 --> 00:28:17,363
I tend to take
every single bit
606
00:28:17,396 --> 00:28:19,465
of electronic equipment
you can imagine.
607
00:28:19,498 --> 00:28:21,868
Um, night vision cameras,
608
00:28:21,901 --> 00:28:23,235
digital still cameras,
609
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:24,971
sound recorders,
610
00:28:25,004 --> 00:28:26,272
um, EMF meters
611
00:28:26,305 --> 00:28:29,075
'cause there is a theory
that if a ghost manifests,
612
00:28:29,108 --> 00:28:30,877
the local
magnetic fields change
613
00:28:30,910 --> 00:28:32,511
and you can detect
that change.
614
00:28:32,544 --> 00:28:34,480
And, hopefully,
might give an idea
615
00:28:34,513 --> 00:28:36,348
that a ghost
might be appearing.
616
00:28:36,382 --> 00:28:39,251
STEPHANIE: If there's EMF,
that will light up.
KEVIN: Okay.
617
00:28:39,285 --> 00:28:41,153
Another thing
that we should mention
618
00:28:41,187 --> 00:28:45,091
-is that you should get a feel
for where you are.
-Mmm-hmm.
619
00:28:45,124 --> 00:28:47,927
Because there's a lot
of psychological factors
at work.
620
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,228
When you come
to a place that's got
621
00:28:49,261 --> 00:28:51,831
a lot of mythology
attached to it,
622
00:28:51,864 --> 00:28:53,232
you know, you got
a full moon...
623
00:28:53,265 --> 00:28:54,901
-...you got, you know,
blah, blah, blah.
-KEVIN: Yeah.
624
00:28:54,934 --> 00:28:56,035
If it were raining,
625
00:28:56,068 --> 00:28:58,237
-...you know, and
thunder storms were up.
-Yeah, yeah.
626
00:28:58,270 --> 00:28:59,638
We got a
large infrared source.
627
00:28:59,671 --> 00:29:03,876
So he's looking in towards
the bit which is supposed
to be where
628
00:29:03,910 --> 00:29:06,112
Sophie's ghost is.
629
00:29:06,145 --> 00:29:09,048
So I suggest we try and keep
away from that area.
630
00:29:09,081 --> 00:29:10,382
No, Sarah and I were just...
631
00:29:10,416 --> 00:29:12,018
All right, everyone
was having a break,
632
00:29:12,051 --> 00:29:13,986
and we walked
around the corner.
633
00:29:14,020 --> 00:29:15,855
And we saw the security man
634
00:29:15,888 --> 00:29:17,857
and we stopped dead
635
00:29:17,890 --> 00:29:20,960
because we could hear
somebody moving around,
636
00:29:20,993 --> 00:29:22,528
or something moving
around in the...
637
00:29:22,561 --> 00:29:25,464
In the undergrowth,
and so we got closer,
638
00:29:25,497 --> 00:29:26,866
couldn't see anything.
639
00:29:26,899 --> 00:29:29,135
Took him right
the way out to the road,
640
00:29:29,168 --> 00:29:31,137
investigated around there.
Absolutely nobody.
641
00:29:31,170 --> 00:29:33,072
No animals, nothing.
642
00:29:33,105 --> 00:29:35,474
And all three of us
heard it for about...
643
00:29:35,507 --> 00:29:37,076
He said it was going on
for about five minutes
644
00:29:37,109 --> 00:29:39,411
before Sarah
and I said anything.
645
00:29:39,445 --> 00:29:42,915
It sounds like someone heavy.
It doesn't sound
like it's an animal.
646
00:29:42,949 --> 00:29:44,483
It's too... Too noisy.
647
00:29:44,516 --> 00:29:47,954
It sounds like someone
putting their foot down
onto the...
648
00:29:47,987 --> 00:29:49,188
Onto the leaves
or something.
649
00:29:49,221 --> 00:29:50,522
You know that crackling noise?
650
00:29:50,556 --> 00:29:53,559
-This is where I'm hearing it.
-This exact grave?
651
00:29:53,592 --> 00:29:54,493
GERRY: I didn't know
it was that grave.
652
00:29:54,526 --> 00:29:56,128
But this is where
I'm hearing the noise,
653
00:29:56,162 --> 00:29:58,230
from these bushes
and this tree.
654
00:29:58,264 --> 00:30:01,267
This is where it sounds
like someone's walking around.
655
00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:04,303
Let's spend two
or three minutes.
656
00:30:04,336 --> 00:30:06,805
So, why not see what happens?
657
00:30:18,017 --> 00:30:21,020
We might send
a camera person over.
658
00:30:21,053 --> 00:30:23,455
Um... When we do the...
659
00:30:23,489 --> 00:30:26,859
When we do any activity there,
stuff happens on the outside.
660
00:30:26,893 --> 00:30:29,161
-CRAIG: Yeah.
It's a good idea.
-(SNAPPING)
661
00:30:29,195 --> 00:30:30,462
(WHISPERING) There.
662
00:30:39,605 --> 00:30:43,309
WILLIAM: All right. Well,
let's keep our ears out
for that again if it happens.
663
00:30:43,342 --> 00:30:45,511
-Thanks, Gerry. Cheers.
-No, no problem.
664
00:30:45,544 --> 00:30:48,214
If a couple of you stand
over that side, and a couple
stand over this side...
665
00:30:48,247 --> 00:30:50,616
The reason being
is what's been seen
666
00:30:50,649 --> 00:30:53,085
has been walking down
this way,
667
00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:55,187
heading in that direction.
668
00:30:55,221 --> 00:30:58,991
So if anything
comes through there and you,
say, pick something up,
669
00:30:59,025 --> 00:31:00,626
if you do, let us know.
670
00:31:00,659 --> 00:31:02,494
Don't just keep
your mouth shut.
671
00:31:02,528 --> 00:31:05,664
So if you feel something...
Say you suddenly
feel a cold shiver
672
00:31:05,697 --> 00:31:08,600
or a raging headache
or anything like that,
just say.
673
00:31:08,634 --> 00:31:11,237
Because then
we may feel something
674
00:31:11,270 --> 00:31:12,571
and you might feel it
down there later,
675
00:31:12,604 --> 00:31:14,373
as if something's
gone through.
676
00:31:14,406 --> 00:31:16,442
(SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY)
677
00:31:18,544 --> 00:31:21,147
It just got colder.
678
00:31:21,180 --> 00:31:22,514
-Freezing cold hands.
-WOMAN: Sorry.
679
00:31:22,548 --> 00:31:26,285
-Oh, you're awfully warm.
-I am.
680
00:31:26,318 --> 00:31:30,522
Is there anybody here
who would like to
communicate with us?
681
00:31:30,556 --> 00:31:33,625
If there are any spirits
present with us now,
682
00:31:33,659 --> 00:31:35,661
who's willing to
communicate with us,
683
00:31:35,694 --> 00:31:38,197
then we ask you now
to give us some sort of sign.
684
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:40,566
On the floor you'll see
a green light.
685
00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:44,636
That's affected
by magnetic fields.
Try to move that light.
686
00:31:44,670 --> 00:31:47,006
There's two sound recorders
on the floor.
687
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:50,209
Try to say something
into those if you can.
688
00:31:50,242 --> 00:31:54,013
WOMAN: There's a figure
been seen walking down
this path.
689
00:31:54,046 --> 00:31:56,983
Was that you?
Can you come and tell us,
who you were?
690
00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:02,288
Can you come
and walk through this circle?
691
00:32:02,321 --> 00:32:03,355
(LEAVES RUSTLING)
692
00:32:03,389 --> 00:32:05,357
-Got a rustling noise.
-I know.
693
00:32:07,159 --> 00:32:08,594
WILLIAM: Down there.
694
00:32:08,627 --> 00:32:10,596
WILLIAM: There was a click
down there.
STEPHANIE: It was down there.
695
00:32:12,198 --> 00:32:13,499
It was right behind...
696
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:19,605
WILLIAM: Just had
a cold shiver.
697
00:32:19,638 --> 00:32:21,073
STEPHANIE: Yeah,
just felt a breeze.
698
00:32:21,107 --> 00:32:24,476
Straight down
my back. I'll just have
a quick check around the back.
699
00:32:28,547 --> 00:32:32,551
STEPHANIE: Is that Bill?
WOMAN: Is that Bill
still behind?
700
00:32:32,584 --> 00:32:34,653
STEPHANIE: There was definite
movement then.
701
00:32:36,722 --> 00:32:38,590
I think...
702
00:32:38,624 --> 00:32:40,626
I think I hear Bill coming.
703
00:32:40,659 --> 00:32:42,028
Do you know where Bill is?
704
00:32:42,061 --> 00:32:43,329
KEVIN: Bill's down there.
WOMAN: Yeah.
705
00:32:43,362 --> 00:32:45,064
No way. I heard that.
706
00:32:45,097 --> 00:32:46,498
WOMAN: Did you hear that?
STEPHANIE: Did you hear that?
707
00:32:46,532 --> 00:32:47,433
I did, yes.
708
00:32:47,466 --> 00:32:48,634
STEPHANIE: Listen, listen.
709
00:32:52,338 --> 00:32:53,472
Hello?
710
00:32:58,310 --> 00:33:00,212
ROB: That is creepy.
711
00:33:00,246 --> 00:33:02,181
That was definitely footsteps.
712
00:33:02,214 --> 00:33:03,615
STEPHANIE: Hello?
ANDREW: Somebody going
to have a look?
713
00:33:03,649 --> 00:33:05,651
WOMAN 1: Yeah.
WOMAN 2: Craig's gone to look.
714
00:33:12,058 --> 00:33:14,393
KEVIN: There it is.
715
00:33:14,426 --> 00:33:16,128
Again.
716
00:33:17,529 --> 00:33:18,597
(TWIG SNAPPING)
717
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:21,100
-Fuck!
-MICHAEL: What?
718
00:33:21,133 --> 00:33:23,269
KEVIN: Oh, my God.
MICHAEL: What's up?
719
00:33:23,302 --> 00:33:28,374
KEVIN: I just...
I was walking in
towards the other, um...
720
00:33:28,407 --> 00:33:32,278
Sophia's grave,
just to kind of
point the camera...
721
00:33:32,311 --> 00:33:35,514
MICHAEL: I don't know
if that was a trick of my eyes
or not. It may well have been.
722
00:33:35,547 --> 00:33:38,250
-KEVIN: Did you see something?
-I just saw something go
(WHOOSES) past me,
723
00:33:38,284 --> 00:33:40,386
but I'm pretty sure
it was a trick of the light.
724
00:33:40,419 --> 00:33:43,522
KEVIN: I was just stepping in
towards that stone.
725
00:33:43,555 --> 00:33:47,093
I was kind of
halfway in and...
726
00:33:47,126 --> 00:33:49,428
I mean, it could have
just been something
in the tree above me,
727
00:33:49,461 --> 00:33:51,463
but something just cracked,
728
00:33:51,497 --> 00:33:54,400
as I stepped in as if...
As if, you know,
729
00:33:54,433 --> 00:33:56,302
I was walking
towards something I shouldn't.
730
00:33:56,335 --> 00:33:59,205
What we're about to
use now is a thing called
the ghost box.
731
00:33:59,238 --> 00:34:02,708
All the ghost box is,
is a modified radio,
732
00:34:02,741 --> 00:34:07,346
and what it's been modified
is so that when you press
the scan button,
733
00:34:07,379 --> 00:34:10,282
normally the scan,
it just goes through
frequencies
734
00:34:10,316 --> 00:34:12,551
and locks on
to a frequency and stops.
735
00:34:12,584 --> 00:34:15,121
This actually
continuously scans.
736
00:34:15,154 --> 00:34:17,089
What you do
is you ask it questions
737
00:34:17,123 --> 00:34:20,392
and every now and again
you get an answer,
which is just...
738
00:34:20,426 --> 00:34:22,861
It's taking snippets from all
the different channels
739
00:34:22,894 --> 00:34:26,598
and you just occasionally hear
an answer which corresponds
to the question you asked.
740
00:34:26,632 --> 00:34:29,301
And it's remarkable
how often that occurs.
741
00:34:29,335 --> 00:34:31,170
In some respects,
this works the same way
742
00:34:31,203 --> 00:34:33,172
as doing Ouija
and things like that.
743
00:34:33,205 --> 00:34:36,842
-It's a case of calling out
and looking for a response.
-MICHAEL: Yeah.
744
00:34:40,512 --> 00:34:42,348
(ELECTRONIC WHIRRING)
745
00:34:44,850 --> 00:34:48,787
Is there anybody here
you would like to give
a message to?
746
00:34:48,820 --> 00:34:51,623
If so, please tell us
that person's name.
747
00:34:51,657 --> 00:34:53,792
(RHYTHMIC TAPPING)
748
00:34:56,795 --> 00:34:58,197
(EERIE VOICE SPEAKING)
749
00:34:59,231 --> 00:35:00,499
KEVIN: What did he say?
750
00:35:00,532 --> 00:35:02,901
WOMAN: I thought
it said, "Stimson."
751
00:35:02,934 --> 00:35:04,403
Stimson. Stimson.
752
00:35:06,372 --> 00:35:08,474
What was your first name?
753
00:35:08,507 --> 00:35:10,108
(RHYTHMIC TAPPING CONTINUES)
754
00:35:10,842 --> 00:35:12,344
(DISTORTED VOICE)
755
00:35:12,378 --> 00:35:13,412
KEVIN: Sophia.
756
00:35:13,445 --> 00:35:15,714
I thought I heard
use of the word.
757
00:35:15,747 --> 00:35:18,384
MARK J.: Use of the word.
WOMAN: Yeah, use of the word.
758
00:35:18,417 --> 00:35:19,785
I heard Sophia. Yeah.
759
00:35:22,854 --> 00:35:25,357
"Change place."
760
00:35:25,391 --> 00:35:26,658
Yeah? Okay.
761
00:35:28,794 --> 00:35:31,630
WILLIAM: Go on,
do as it says.
Change place.
762
00:35:31,663 --> 00:35:36,202
Were you the dark shadow
that Sarah saw
763
00:35:36,235 --> 00:35:38,537
in the northeast corner
of the churchyard?
764
00:35:41,873 --> 00:35:42,874
-Yes.
-Yes.
765
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:49,215
Do you have anyone with you
that wants to communicate
with someone here?
766
00:35:49,248 --> 00:35:52,218
If so, please say their name.
767
00:35:52,251 --> 00:35:53,719
(SOPHIA SPEAKS DISTORTEDLY)
768
00:35:55,454 --> 00:35:57,356
WILLIAM: Said, "him," to me.
769
00:36:00,692 --> 00:36:02,561
Did you say Gerry?
770
00:36:03,562 --> 00:36:04,930
(DISTORTED VOICE)
771
00:36:04,963 --> 00:36:06,765
-MICHAEL: Yeah.
-Yeah, Gerry.
772
00:36:12,404 --> 00:36:14,406
WILLIAM: Gerry is here
with us now.
773
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,675
Do you have a message
for Gerry?
774
00:36:16,708 --> 00:36:19,611
If so, let us know
what that message is.
775
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:25,451
-WILLIAM: "It's him."
-Do you have a message for me?
776
00:36:39,731 --> 00:36:40,866
That's me.
777
00:36:40,899 --> 00:36:42,601
Did you just say Craig?
778
00:36:43,869 --> 00:36:44,936
STEPHANIE: "Of course."
779
00:36:44,970 --> 00:36:46,838
Did you want to talk to me?
780
00:36:49,441 --> 00:36:53,479
Do you have
a clear message for me?
781
00:37:00,886 --> 00:37:03,289
CRAIG: Oh look,
the EMF is going crazy.
782
00:37:07,859 --> 00:37:11,763
Something white has just gone
past the edge of the hill
just over there.
783
00:37:11,797 --> 00:37:14,400
It's quite large,
going from left to right.
784
00:37:19,004 --> 00:37:20,872
WILLIAM: It was right there.
CRAIG: What do you see, Bill?
785
00:37:20,906 --> 00:37:23,509
It was something...
Can you see, it drops down
786
00:37:23,542 --> 00:37:25,644
and there's distinctly
something white.
787
00:37:25,677 --> 00:37:29,415
Almost... At that distance
it would have been
about football size,
788
00:37:29,448 --> 00:37:30,616
going across that way.
789
00:37:30,649 --> 00:37:34,353
Oh, just seen a dark shadow
go across that way
now as well.
790
00:37:34,386 --> 00:37:37,656
(STAMMERS) That was
a bit creepy actually.
791
00:37:37,689 --> 00:37:39,591
Traveled straight
across my vision.
792
00:37:39,625 --> 00:37:42,294
Quite large, long and thin.
793
00:37:42,328 --> 00:37:44,830
I'd say probably about
794
00:37:44,863 --> 00:37:48,967
1.6, 1.7 meters high
and traveled
about 4 meters.
795
00:37:50,402 --> 00:37:52,804
It was leaning over,
like an angle like that.
796
00:37:52,838 --> 00:37:54,640
So if you saw it
moving very fast.
797
00:37:57,609 --> 00:38:00,512
(WHISPERING INDISTINCTLY)
798
00:38:37,916 --> 00:38:40,619
GERRY: Everything's
there, focused
in that area there.
799
00:38:40,652 --> 00:38:42,421
There's a lot of rustling,
isn't there?
800
00:38:42,454 --> 00:38:44,623
When we were up here earlier
there was a bit of rustling.
801
00:38:47,926 --> 00:38:51,963
No matter where you go,
this is where it's happening.
802
00:38:51,997 --> 00:38:53,965
This is where I'm hearing
all the noise here.
803
00:38:54,733 --> 00:38:55,934
It's this area.
804
00:38:58,637 --> 00:39:00,338
Absolutely weird.
805
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:02,508
Yeah.
806
00:39:18,490 --> 00:39:19,958
CRAIG: Argh!
807
00:39:19,991 --> 00:39:22,027
What the fuck?
808
00:39:23,695 --> 00:39:26,865
Jesus, what the fuck is that?
809
00:39:33,639 --> 00:39:35,073
KEVIN: Some kind of bird?
810
00:39:36,908 --> 00:39:38,644
That's bird heads.
811
00:39:58,930 --> 00:40:01,500
What about Gerry?
The security guy.
812
00:40:01,533 --> 00:40:02,834
-Yeah.
-CRISELDA: Good old Gerry.
813
00:40:02,868 --> 00:40:05,070
He called me and Mark over
and said, "I've been hearing
814
00:40:05,103 --> 00:40:07,706
"like sort of panting
and rustling."
815
00:40:07,739 --> 00:40:12,544
He took me about five paces
to the left and he pointed
into the bushes
816
00:40:12,578 --> 00:40:16,882
and literally underneath
his hand that he was pointing
was the broken headstone.
817
00:40:16,915 --> 00:40:19,184
And I'm thinking to myself,
"Do you know?"
818
00:40:19,217 --> 00:40:21,787
CRISELDA:
Well, no one told him.
819
00:40:21,820 --> 00:40:24,790
And he didn't know
the name of the person anyway.
820
00:40:24,823 --> 00:40:27,959
He said he heard
a panting as well,
didn't he, like a dog?
821
00:40:27,993 --> 00:40:29,995
Yes, he said it
was like a dog.
822
00:40:30,028 --> 00:40:33,999
He said... He said he
literally expected a dog
to come out from the, uh...
823
00:40:34,032 --> 00:40:35,601
You know, the pathway.
824
00:40:35,634 --> 00:40:37,202
MICHAEL: Yeah,
so what do you think?
825
00:40:37,235 --> 00:40:39,070
Tomorrow night, we'll bring...
826
00:40:39,104 --> 00:40:43,642
MARK J.: I think it'd be
really interesting
if it was just us there.
827
00:40:43,675 --> 00:40:46,845
I think the more people
that are there,
828
00:40:46,878 --> 00:40:49,815
the less likely it is
that anything would happen.
829
00:40:49,848 --> 00:40:53,652
The less people there are
to observe a phenomena,
830
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,890
the less people
there are to
831
00:40:58,924 --> 00:41:01,827
conflict or doubt
that something
actually happened.
832
00:41:01,860 --> 00:41:04,796
It's usually
with less people where,
833
00:41:04,830 --> 00:41:07,899
kind of, legends and rumors
and these sort of stories
are established.
834
00:41:07,933 --> 00:41:11,236
You should never hear of,
you know,
835
00:41:11,269 --> 00:41:15,040
one particular sighting
where a group of, you know,
836
00:41:15,073 --> 00:41:17,976
a dozen people
or something saw,
you know...
837
00:41:18,009 --> 00:41:20,679
A group of a dozen people
were in the same sort of place
838
00:41:20,712 --> 00:41:23,815
and they saw or they heard
or experienced
something together.
839
00:41:23,849 --> 00:41:29,254
It's usually only, like,
small groups, you know,
one, two, sort of people.
840
00:41:29,287 --> 00:41:33,158
I think, you know,
they've thrown everything
at it, haven't they?
841
00:41:33,191 --> 00:41:35,126
-They've thrown all
their tools at it tonight.
-MARK J.: Yeah.
842
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,830
Just because we've got
all these magic boxes
and Ouija boards
843
00:41:38,864 --> 00:41:40,298
and all this kind of stuff,
844
00:41:40,331 --> 00:41:43,268
that we want
to communicate with them,
845
00:41:43,301 --> 00:41:45,871
whatever they are,
I'm not even saying
they're dead,
846
00:41:45,904 --> 00:41:48,306
deceased people or whatever,
but whatever they are,
847
00:41:48,339 --> 00:41:50,241
who said that those things
are what...
848
00:41:50,275 --> 00:41:51,977
What bring spirits to us?
849
00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:54,245
Who said... Who said that?
Who created them?
850
00:41:54,279 --> 00:41:56,281
Who's to say
that that's what they want
to use
851
00:41:56,314 --> 00:41:58,049
if that's what they are?
852
00:41:58,083 --> 00:42:00,752
So I don't believe that...
That... That you can...
853
00:42:00,786 --> 00:42:05,557
I do not personally believe
that you can communicate
with anything that way.
854
00:42:05,591 --> 00:42:08,259
But I do believe that you can
visually see things,
855
00:42:08,293 --> 00:42:11,697
'cause people have and I...
I do believe that.
856
00:42:15,233 --> 00:42:18,069
CRISELDA: If this is
the witness that we're
interviewing today...
857
00:42:18,103 --> 00:42:21,940
-Yep, the witnesses of
the 1970 satanic services.
-...I would need the board.
858
00:42:21,973 --> 00:42:24,175
-Day three, by the way.
-Final day.
859
00:42:24,209 --> 00:42:26,077
Just arrived in the morning
at the church.
860
00:42:26,111 --> 00:42:27,746
Final day, hurrah!
861
00:42:27,779 --> 00:42:29,648
Quite relieved actually.
862
00:42:29,681 --> 00:42:32,851
Looking forward
to a decent sleep tonight...
Or not.
863
00:42:32,884 --> 00:42:35,086
-Let's call it The Final Day.
-Final day.
864
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,756
-Here are Kevin and Mike...
-Final day.
865
00:42:37,789 --> 00:42:39,925
...already here with someone.
866
00:42:39,958 --> 00:42:41,059
KEVIN: This is Mick,
everybody.
867
00:42:41,092 --> 00:42:42,193
ROB: Hi, Mick.
MICK: Good morning.
868
00:42:42,227 --> 00:42:43,962
-Pleased to meet you. Rob.
-And you.
869
00:42:43,995 --> 00:42:48,199
CRAIG: Mick Peters, he arrived
up there before we did,
to be interviewed.
870
00:42:48,233 --> 00:42:51,903
He's one of the witnesses
of the black magic
from the '70s.
871
00:42:51,937 --> 00:42:54,806
-I mean, 35 years
is a long time.
-Yeah.
872
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,374
So I thought,
"Well, I'll just wander up."
873
00:42:56,407 --> 00:43:00,979
And I didn't come up
this track way. I came
across the footpath,
874
00:43:01,012 --> 00:43:04,049
just took some photos,
walked in and there's a...
875
00:43:04,082 --> 00:43:08,620
I think it's a small lizard,
small snake-like creature
876
00:43:09,054 --> 00:43:10,956
in an "S" shape.
877
00:43:10,989 --> 00:43:13,859
Well, the weird thing is,
letter "S." Do you not
make the connection?
878
00:43:14,860 --> 00:43:16,094
CRISELDA: Ew.
879
00:43:17,729 --> 00:43:19,998
MARK J.:
Should we get that "S"?
880
00:43:20,031 --> 00:43:21,633
CRISELDA: It looks
like a snake.
881
00:43:21,667 --> 00:43:24,903
MICK: The slow worm
is a form of snake.
882
00:43:24,936 --> 00:43:28,640
ROB: But what, that's like
directly, like...
883
00:43:28,674 --> 00:43:31,076
KEVIN: I mean, you know.
ROB: ...symmetrical
with the whole...
884
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:33,044
...directly in the middle.
885
00:43:33,078 --> 00:43:35,714
MARK J.: I mean,
let's not get carried away.
886
00:43:35,747 --> 00:43:36,882
(SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY)
887
00:43:37,916 --> 00:43:39,718
Who knows how it got there,
888
00:43:39,751 --> 00:43:43,354
but it's definitely
interesting.
889
00:43:43,388 --> 00:43:45,390
Intriguing.
890
00:43:45,423 --> 00:43:48,727
CRAIG: Again, it's actually
pretty much where we found
the horn and it was in the...
891
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,829
Under the tower,
in the shape of an "S."
892
00:43:50,862 --> 00:43:54,032
Our instant thought
went straight
to Sophie's ghost
893
00:43:54,065 --> 00:43:55,967
and the gravestones
of Sophia.
894
00:43:56,001 --> 00:43:59,871
Coincidence or not,
it was, you know,
very intriguing.
895
00:43:59,905 --> 00:44:02,273
Did a bird drop the worm,
896
00:44:02,307 --> 00:44:04,676
but in the perfect shape
of an "S"?
897
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:08,780
I came up here with my brother
and some other friends
in 1975
898
00:44:08,814 --> 00:44:11,049
on Halloween,
All Hallow's Eve,
899
00:44:11,082 --> 00:44:14,820
'cause we were young,
enthusiastic, we'd got an
interest in the occult.
900
00:44:14,853 --> 00:44:17,155
We'd heard about this church
at Clophill,
901
00:44:17,188 --> 00:44:19,190
so we thought
it was a natural place
to come to.
902
00:44:19,224 --> 00:44:21,092
As we got into
the churchyard,
903
00:44:21,126 --> 00:44:23,428
we could see light coming
from the church.
904
00:44:23,461 --> 00:44:26,031
I don't remember
hearing anything
at that point.
905
00:44:26,064 --> 00:44:27,966
The three of us carried on
along there.
906
00:44:27,999 --> 00:44:30,702
We could observe people
through the broken,
907
00:44:30,736 --> 00:44:32,403
side of the church.
908
00:44:32,437 --> 00:44:33,939
They were certainly
people in there.
909
00:44:33,972 --> 00:44:38,076
There was a sound of,
we can only describe
as chanting.
910
00:44:38,109 --> 00:44:40,779
I wouldn't have said
it was rhythmic
Gregorian chant,
911
00:44:40,812 --> 00:44:42,881
but there was chanting,
there was noise there.
912
00:44:42,914 --> 00:44:45,884
And the church was lit by
what appeared to be
fat candles
913
00:44:45,917 --> 00:44:48,019
or something similar.
914
00:44:48,053 --> 00:44:51,056
We then carried on to the end
of the churchyard,
915
00:44:51,089 --> 00:44:53,992
crawling between the stones,
and it was at that point
916
00:44:54,025 --> 00:44:57,195
we observed there was
definitely two adult females
917
00:44:57,228 --> 00:44:59,064
who were
in a state of undress.
918
00:44:59,097 --> 00:45:02,433
We also then saw
other people in there.
919
00:45:02,467 --> 00:45:04,069
I thought they were
dressed in purple,
920
00:45:04,102 --> 00:45:07,939
but they were attired
in something similar
to monks' habits.
921
00:45:07,973 --> 00:45:10,942
Just while we were
laying in the grass
between the headstones,
922
00:45:10,976 --> 00:45:12,277
there was a loud bang.
923
00:45:12,310 --> 00:45:14,946
I seem to recall
it may have been a shotgun.
924
00:45:14,980 --> 00:45:17,983
But at that point
we decided someone's shooting
at us to scare us off
925
00:45:18,016 --> 00:45:22,988
and we duly took to our heels
and we ran back along here
926
00:45:23,021 --> 00:45:24,589
and back down the lane.
927
00:45:24,622 --> 00:45:28,994
When we got to the end
of the lane where it joins
the tarmac road,
928
00:45:29,027 --> 00:45:31,830
there was a police van
and some police cars there,
929
00:45:31,863 --> 00:45:35,266
and we were treated
just as young people
would be today,
930
00:45:35,300 --> 00:45:37,803
"Stop causing trouble.
Go home."
931
00:45:37,836 --> 00:45:40,972
And even though
we were quite forceful
with them, saying,
932
00:45:41,006 --> 00:45:44,509
"You got to go up there.
There's something happening.
There's a black mass,"
933
00:45:44,542 --> 00:45:48,013
they almost rubbished the idea
and told us to clear off.
934
00:45:48,046 --> 00:45:52,483
And it was almost
like they didn't believe us,
or, as we thought afterwards,
935
00:45:52,517 --> 00:45:54,519
they knew something
was going on.
936
00:45:54,552 --> 00:45:56,187
They were either covering
for it
937
00:45:56,221 --> 00:45:59,390
or maybe even the police
themselves were scared of it.
938
00:45:59,424 --> 00:46:02,127
I came back the next day,
basically because I was still
939
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,029
inquisitive
about what had happened.
940
00:46:04,062 --> 00:46:07,398
Parked the car
in a different place,
walked into the churchyard,
941
00:46:07,432 --> 00:46:11,136
observed numerous headstones
had been damaged
and pushed over,
942
00:46:11,169 --> 00:46:13,404
the church had got
burnt-out candles.
943
00:46:13,438 --> 00:46:16,141
It was generally
in a state of disarray
944
00:46:16,174 --> 00:46:18,910
and there was bones
on the floor
945
00:46:18,944 --> 00:46:23,148
which, I'm not a pathologist,
but I recognized a vertebra,
certainly.
946
00:46:23,181 --> 00:46:26,451
On the far side of the wall,
right hand side
of the church wall,
947
00:46:27,185 --> 00:46:28,553
was two words.
948
00:46:28,586 --> 00:46:30,989
I think they were written
in blood. I can't be certain.
949
00:46:31,022 --> 00:46:35,093
And it said, "Ne vide,"
which to me meant nothing.
950
00:46:35,126 --> 00:46:39,164
I later found out,
I was told, that it is Latin
for no future.
951
00:46:39,197 --> 00:46:42,233
So something had definitely
taken place here,
952
00:46:42,267 --> 00:46:44,202
relative to the occult.
953
00:46:45,336 --> 00:46:48,173
And I'm still open-minded
on it.
954
00:46:48,206 --> 00:46:52,878
I don't know whether
there is such a thing as,
you know, satanic masses,
955
00:46:52,911 --> 00:46:55,313
but certainly
from what I've witnessed,
I believe there is.
956
00:46:55,346 --> 00:46:57,448
MICHAEL: Kevin was
interviewing him,
957
00:46:57,482 --> 00:47:00,518
the rest of the team
were kind of with him inside
the church and I was up,
958
00:47:00,551 --> 00:47:02,921
on the top looking down.
959
00:47:02,954 --> 00:47:05,456
And I noticed,
while he was talking, I saw
these three scratch marks
960
00:47:05,490 --> 00:47:07,292
down his arm.
961
00:47:07,325 --> 00:47:10,161
'Cause a common
paranormal thing
is three long scratches...
962
00:47:10,195 --> 00:47:11,562
MICK: Scratches, yeah.
963
00:47:11,596 --> 00:47:15,166
It's kind of a demonic attack.
It means the mocking
of the trinity
964
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,469
and tried to make sure
that obviously
we captured that on camera
965
00:47:18,503 --> 00:47:22,607
because that was pretty
interesting and he had no idea
how it could have happened.
966
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,376
MARK K.: Well, the guises
and forms of demons,
967
00:47:25,410 --> 00:47:30,448
really, I suppose, depend on
the context in which they
manifest themselves.
968
00:47:30,481 --> 00:47:34,552
We got to be careful
not to get mixed up between
ghosts and demons here.
969
00:47:34,585 --> 00:47:37,989
Ghosts are the spirits
of dead human beings,
970
00:47:38,023 --> 00:47:40,658
spirits that haven't
got through to the other side.
971
00:47:40,691 --> 00:47:42,994
But demons
have never been human.
972
00:47:43,028 --> 00:47:47,498
Demons are the spirits
or souls that have fallen
from grace
973
00:47:47,532 --> 00:47:51,136
and have never, ever
lived in the form
of a human body.
974
00:47:51,169 --> 00:47:54,039
And they're dying,
they're itching
to get into our world.
975
00:47:58,143 --> 00:47:59,644
CRAIG: We're in the middle
of the woods,
976
00:47:59,677 --> 00:48:03,448
somewhere
around the vicinity of
the Clophill Church.
977
00:48:03,481 --> 00:48:05,316
We have to try
and find the church,
978
00:48:05,350 --> 00:48:07,986
but I don't know
if you can hear
on the microphone,
979
00:48:08,019 --> 00:48:10,989
but there's really loud
drums banging,
which is very bizarre.
980
00:48:11,022 --> 00:48:12,323
(RHYTHMIC BANGING)
981
00:48:12,357 --> 00:48:15,493
So we're just heading
towards it, but I...
982
00:48:15,526 --> 00:48:17,328
ROB: Sounds like a train.
983
00:48:19,664 --> 00:48:24,069
That's definitely drums now.
It's getting louder.
984
00:48:24,102 --> 00:48:27,205
I don't know
if there's some kind of, um,
985
00:48:28,706 --> 00:48:30,508
ritual of some kind
going on.
986
00:48:32,577 --> 00:48:33,578
(DRUMS BEATING LOUDLY)
987
00:48:36,347 --> 00:48:38,916
-Certainly don't want to be
seen by them.
-No.
988
00:48:40,185 --> 00:48:41,919
-I can smell fumes.
There's a fire.
-Yeah.
989
00:48:42,420 --> 00:48:43,688
(SNIFFING)
990
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:56,067
Let's cut around here
and then see
if we can catch them
991
00:48:56,101 --> 00:48:58,536
from an angle
that they can't see us.
992
00:48:59,437 --> 00:49:01,339
(DRUMS BEATING LOUDER)
993
00:49:20,325 --> 00:49:22,727
In the background behind us,
I don't know if you can hear
the drums still,
994
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,329
but we can hear them
in the distance.
995
00:49:24,362 --> 00:49:27,465
We're not going to disturb
them because I... I don't know
what they're up to.
996
00:49:27,498 --> 00:49:32,003
But we'll carry on
now up this path.
997
00:49:32,037 --> 00:49:34,105
I think the church
is somewhere
in the, kind of,
998
00:49:34,139 --> 00:49:35,640
left hand side
of where we're heading,
999
00:49:35,673 --> 00:49:37,975
but we'll try
and make our way through.
1000
00:49:41,812 --> 00:49:43,681
I see gravestones.
1001
00:49:43,714 --> 00:49:45,283
ROB: Oh, man, this is spooky.
1002
00:49:45,316 --> 00:49:46,617
These gravestones over here,
can you see them?
1003
00:49:46,651 --> 00:49:48,019
ROB: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Put your torch.
1004
00:49:48,053 --> 00:49:50,188
Oh, there we go.
1005
00:49:50,221 --> 00:49:52,023
-See that?
-Yeah.
1006
00:49:52,057 --> 00:49:54,625
CRAIG: Oh, rabbit.
Rabbit, see the rabbit?
1007
00:49:54,659 --> 00:49:56,127
ROB: Yeah, I got it. I got it.
I got it.
1008
00:49:56,161 --> 00:49:58,196
CRAIG: I think that was
a ghost rabbit.
1009
00:49:58,229 --> 00:50:00,765
The gravestones
were over here
so it's got to be...
1010
00:50:00,798 --> 00:50:02,433
Got to go
on the left somewhere.
1011
00:50:02,467 --> 00:50:03,468
ROB: God.
1012
00:50:05,636 --> 00:50:07,138
Oh, wow.
1013
00:50:07,172 --> 00:50:08,673
All right, we're going to
the back of the church.
1014
00:50:10,175 --> 00:50:11,609
ROB: (WHISPERING) Oh, wow.
1015
00:50:34,665 --> 00:50:38,836
Um... Yeah,
I mean, basically...
(CLEARS THROAT)
1016
00:50:38,869 --> 00:50:42,707
We were in Spain,
me and Cris, in a villa.
1017
00:50:42,740 --> 00:50:45,676
It was an old villa.
We were with our two kids.
1018
00:50:45,710 --> 00:50:48,779
It's probably been
a couple of years ago now
so she was probably...
1019
00:50:48,813 --> 00:50:52,683
The youngest
was probably four,
eldest about 10.
1020
00:50:52,717 --> 00:50:57,822
And the little one, you know,
like kids do often,
she'll come into our room,
1021
00:50:57,855 --> 00:51:00,158
come down
the side of the bed to me
1022
00:51:00,191 --> 00:51:04,229
and then, you know,
she might want
a glass of water
1023
00:51:04,262 --> 00:51:06,631
or you know,
she's had a nightmare
or something like that.
1024
00:51:06,664 --> 00:51:08,299
So this night,
we're all in bed asleep,
1025
00:51:08,333 --> 00:51:09,834
it's probably about
2:00 in the morning.
1026
00:51:09,867 --> 00:51:13,271
All of a sudden,
Caitlyn basically comes
in the room.
1027
00:51:13,304 --> 00:51:17,242
So she then starts to walk
down the side of the bed
towards me,
1028
00:51:17,275 --> 00:51:20,311
right down the side
until she gets
right next to me.
1029
00:51:20,345 --> 00:51:22,580
And it's at that point
that naturally, you know,
as I do,
1030
00:51:22,613 --> 00:51:24,682
I put my hand out
to, sort of, hold her hand,
1031
00:51:24,715 --> 00:51:27,785
grab on to her or whatever,
and say, "What does she want?"
1032
00:51:27,818 --> 00:51:30,255
But as I put my hand out
towards her,
1033
00:51:30,288 --> 00:51:33,424
she stood literally
as close as you are to me now,
1034
00:51:33,458 --> 00:51:35,293
I put my hand out,
1035
00:51:35,326 --> 00:51:36,761
it just goes
straight through her.
1036
00:51:36,794 --> 00:51:39,797
She disappeared.
It wasn't Caitlyn.
1037
00:51:39,830 --> 00:51:43,534
She just vanished
right in front of my eyes,
literally.
1038
00:51:43,568 --> 00:51:45,236
Um, and I just lie there,
1039
00:51:46,637 --> 00:51:49,374
for probably
a couple of minutes
just thinking,
1040
00:51:49,407 --> 00:51:53,578
"What the fuck
happened there?"
1041
00:51:53,611 --> 00:51:56,147
And then I got up,
1042
00:51:56,181 --> 00:51:58,183
walked out of the room,
1043
00:51:58,216 --> 00:51:59,917
into where their room is,
1044
00:51:59,950 --> 00:52:01,752
they're in a totally
separate room,
1045
00:52:01,786 --> 00:52:03,621
just to check.
1046
00:52:03,654 --> 00:52:06,357
I mean, it's stupid
because she vanished
in front of my eyes,
1047
00:52:06,391 --> 00:52:07,392
but I just wanted to check
1048
00:52:07,425 --> 00:52:10,328
that Caitlyn and Cassie
were in bed.
1049
00:52:10,361 --> 00:52:12,630
And I opened their door
and there they are,
fast asleep,
1050
00:52:12,663 --> 00:52:15,600
snoring, literally laid out,
flat on the bed.
1051
00:52:15,633 --> 00:52:19,804
Um... So I don't know
who it was,
but it wasn't Caitlyn.
1052
00:52:19,837 --> 00:52:22,173
WILLIAM: People think
of ghosts as being like
1053
00:52:22,207 --> 00:52:24,642
billowous things
you can see through,
1054
00:52:24,675 --> 00:52:25,643
but that's not the case.
1055
00:52:25,676 --> 00:52:27,878
Most ghosts that people see
are actually solid.
1056
00:52:27,912 --> 00:52:29,747
And if you saw a ghost
in the street,
1057
00:52:29,780 --> 00:52:31,916
you would think
it was a person, not a ghost.
1058
00:52:31,949 --> 00:52:33,518
You can actually go up
and touch it
1059
00:52:33,551 --> 00:52:35,253
and you would think
it was there.
1060
00:52:35,286 --> 00:52:36,921
It was only when
it disappeared
that you'd realize.
1061
00:52:36,954 --> 00:52:40,258
On the plane home,
said to her,
1062
00:52:40,291 --> 00:52:42,927
"Got something to tell you."
1063
00:52:43,928 --> 00:52:46,964
And then as I sort of
was telling her,
1064
00:52:46,997 --> 00:52:50,801
expecting her to be
sort of freaked out
by what I was saying.
1065
00:52:50,835 --> 00:52:52,870
She suddenly turned around...
1066
00:52:52,903 --> 00:52:55,673
-(EERIE SCREECHING)
-She said... What the...
1067
00:52:55,706 --> 00:52:57,608
CRISELDA: God...
1068
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:59,377
What the hell?
1069
00:53:09,987 --> 00:53:12,223
ROB: Whatever it is,
it doesn't like your stories,
Craig.
1070
00:53:12,257 --> 00:53:14,459
CRAIG: No. Clearly not.
1071
00:53:17,395 --> 00:53:20,431
Like I said, I thought
she was going to sort of
freak out from me
1072
00:53:20,465 --> 00:53:24,335
telling her this ghost story,
and she's being staying there
for the last four nights.
1073
00:53:24,369 --> 00:53:26,437
But she turned around
and went, "Oh, my God!"
1074
00:53:26,471 --> 00:53:28,673
I didn't want to say anything
'cause I just thought maybe
1075
00:53:28,706 --> 00:53:30,375
it was just my imagination
or something.
1076
00:53:30,975 --> 00:53:33,344
I was doing the laundry.
1077
00:53:33,378 --> 00:53:38,749
I was sorting out
the clothes and then looked
through the hallway like this.
1078
00:53:38,783 --> 00:53:42,820
I just saw something
that went in the room...
1079
00:53:42,853 --> 00:53:44,655
(SOFT CLATTERING)
1080
00:53:44,689 --> 00:53:47,658
-What's that?
-CRAIG: What was that?
1081
00:53:47,692 --> 00:53:49,794
Plank went against the wall
by the sounds of it.
1082
00:53:49,827 --> 00:53:51,796
CRAIG: Yeah. It's a rock.
1083
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:53,431
Rock just hit that wall.
1084
00:53:53,464 --> 00:53:55,032
-KEVIN: How'd you know?
-I heard it.
1085
00:53:55,065 --> 00:53:57,502
-I heard it.
-CRISELDA: I did, I heard it.
1086
00:53:57,535 --> 00:53:59,003
It was behind me,
like a snap.
1087
00:54:02,773 --> 00:54:04,509
CRAIG: Interesting.
CRISELDA: It's from there.
1088
00:54:06,311 --> 00:54:07,612
Somewhere.
1089
00:54:07,645 --> 00:54:09,647
There's no one else here.
1090
00:54:10,781 --> 00:54:12,350
(ROCKS FALLING)
1091
00:54:13,518 --> 00:54:16,053
Think something's
telling us something.
1092
00:54:19,924 --> 00:54:21,759
(CLATTERING)
1093
00:54:21,792 --> 00:54:23,260
(EXCLAIMS)
1094
00:54:25,896 --> 00:54:27,598
No, there was
definitely something...
1095
00:54:27,632 --> 00:54:28,866
Someone just threw the rock.
1096
00:54:28,899 --> 00:54:30,468
No, something
definitely...
1097
00:54:30,501 --> 00:54:32,937
See if Gerry's seen
anyone out there.
1098
00:54:34,539 --> 00:54:37,375
Rocks started to come in
through the windows,
1099
00:54:37,408 --> 00:54:38,843
quite close to us.
1100
00:54:38,876 --> 00:54:42,547
They started off
hitting the wall
with quite a loud bang.
1101
00:54:42,580 --> 00:54:44,782
And it kind of startled us
and, you know,
1102
00:54:44,815 --> 00:54:47,518
we carried on talking
and then more came in
1103
00:54:47,552 --> 00:54:49,387
and they ended up
getting quite close,
1104
00:54:49,420 --> 00:54:51,656
which made me
uncomfortable,
not just...
1105
00:54:51,689 --> 00:54:54,592
Not so much because of what
it might be throwing them,
1106
00:54:54,625 --> 00:54:55,893
which was a question also,
1107
00:54:55,926 --> 00:54:58,929
but I didn't want to
get hit by one.
1108
00:54:58,963 --> 00:55:01,699
So one of the guys
just went out to have a look.
1109
00:55:02,867 --> 00:55:06,404
But no one was there.
1110
00:55:06,437 --> 00:55:10,107
CRAIG: So very, very
odd things to begin
the evening
1111
00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:14,111
occurred there,
and no explanation.
1112
00:55:14,144 --> 00:55:16,414
GERRY: I heard various noises.
1113
00:55:16,447 --> 00:55:20,751
Amongst all the noises,
I also saw strange things
going on.
1114
00:55:20,785 --> 00:55:25,556
Obviously, being curious
and in security, I have to go
a bit closer to have a look.
1115
00:55:25,590 --> 00:55:26,957
It doesn't sort of faze me.
1116
00:55:26,991 --> 00:55:29,093
I actually put off...
I had the torch here.
1117
00:55:29,126 --> 00:55:31,962
I was just talking to Dana
and I had the torch here.
1118
00:55:31,996 --> 00:55:34,399
And in that,
where that bush is,
1119
00:55:34,432 --> 00:55:36,967
to the white stone,
I just saw a...
1120
00:55:37,001 --> 00:55:39,036
It was like a dark shadow.
1121
00:55:39,069 --> 00:55:41,105
It just went
from there to there.
1122
00:55:41,138 --> 00:55:43,841
MICHAEL: This is exactly
what the eyewitnesses
saw as well, yeah.
1123
00:55:43,874 --> 00:55:46,911
GERRY: A cold...
I just shivered.
1124
00:55:46,944 --> 00:55:50,114
I don't know,
the whole body just,
like, went into a tingle.
1125
00:55:50,147 --> 00:55:53,884
It went from there,
from that bush to there,
and then I lost it.
1126
00:55:53,918 --> 00:55:56,587
I quickly put the torch
back up and it was gone.
1127
00:55:56,621 --> 00:56:00,991
Unbeknownst to me,
I was informed
by the film crew
1128
00:56:01,025 --> 00:56:03,928
that two gentlemen
were walking past that way.
1129
00:56:03,961 --> 00:56:08,399
They saw a shadow come across
and move very quickly
towards them,
1130
00:56:08,433 --> 00:56:10,435
from the same location
I was at.
1131
00:56:10,468 --> 00:56:13,103
DANA: I heard
footsteps behind me,
1132
00:56:13,137 --> 00:56:17,442
and it sort of sounded
like there was someone
running through the bushes,
1133
00:56:17,475 --> 00:56:20,878
and then up
towards where the
gravestones were.
1134
00:56:20,911 --> 00:56:25,550
And we saw a dark
shadow move across.
1135
00:56:25,583 --> 00:56:29,820
So I just stood here
and I've come over
feeling really overwhelmed.
1136
00:56:29,854 --> 00:56:33,157
Cold, shivering...
I'm shaking...
1137
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:36,160
Um, I just feel like
I want to cry.
1138
00:56:36,193 --> 00:56:42,032
I just felt my body
go really cold
and all goosepimply.
1139
00:56:42,066 --> 00:56:45,770
And I just could not move,
and then I just
started to cry.
1140
00:56:45,803 --> 00:56:48,773
I felt really overwhelmed.
It was really quite emotional.
1141
00:56:48,806 --> 00:56:51,742
Even now thinking about it
is really emotional.
1142
00:56:51,776 --> 00:56:54,044
GERRY: We both
sort of asked each other,
1143
00:56:54,078 --> 00:56:57,448
"Is this really...
You know, was it real?
Did we actually see it?"
1144
00:56:57,482 --> 00:57:00,184
And we said yes.
We both felt shivers
go through our body
1145
00:57:00,217 --> 00:57:02,887
as if we've never
seen this before.
1146
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,956
It's bizarre.
It really is strange.
1147
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:10,795
Really, really is strange.
1148
00:57:10,828 --> 00:57:12,563
(GRAVEL CRUNCHING)
1149
00:57:14,965 --> 00:57:16,801
MICHAEL: Dear God,
please protect us.
1150
00:57:16,834 --> 00:57:20,004
Please make sure
that if we open up a portal
1151
00:57:20,037 --> 00:57:23,107
that no evil entities
can follow us
after we close it.
1152
00:57:24,241 --> 00:57:25,543
ROB: Let's do it.
1153
00:57:25,576 --> 00:57:27,545
MICHAEL:
We'll see you shortly.
1154
00:57:27,578 --> 00:57:29,480
CRAIG: So they've started
the Ouija board in there
1155
00:57:29,514 --> 00:57:31,215
and we're now walking
over here to see
if anything happens.
1156
00:57:31,248 --> 00:57:32,817
MICHAEL: We've synchronized
the cameras,
1157
00:57:32,850 --> 00:57:34,251
so whatever's going on
in there
1158
00:57:34,284 --> 00:57:35,886
we can map to whatever's
happening at that moment.
1159
00:57:37,187 --> 00:57:39,824
CRAIG: It actually seems
like it's got a lot darker.
1160
00:57:39,857 --> 00:57:40,991
It has.
1161
00:57:49,266 --> 00:57:51,736
MICHAEL: Please give us a sign
that you're here.
1162
00:57:57,074 --> 00:57:59,076
Any spirits
here with us tonight?
1163
00:57:59,944 --> 00:58:02,112
Please let yourself be known.
1164
00:58:02,146 --> 00:58:06,150
Please communicate with us
by moving the marker.
1165
00:58:11,856 --> 00:58:15,860
CRISELDA:
If there is a spirit who
would want to talk to us...
1166
00:58:15,893 --> 00:58:18,896
-...please give us a sign.
-CRAIG: Whoa, whoa, whoa...
My God!
1167
00:58:22,633 --> 00:58:24,535
That's all five lights.
1168
00:58:32,777 --> 00:58:35,012
I'm just picking this up
to show that this is just...
1169
00:58:35,045 --> 00:58:37,247
This is not connected
to anything.
1170
00:58:40,317 --> 00:58:43,187
CRAIG ON RADIO:
Anyone there?
Who's got the other radio?
1171
00:58:43,220 --> 00:58:46,256
Someone there
on the other end of this?
Anybody there?
1172
00:58:46,290 --> 00:58:48,593
MICHAEL: Here comes Gerry,
and he's flying over.
1173
00:58:48,626 --> 00:58:50,761
-What's happened?
-CRAIG: What's up, Gerry?
1174
00:58:50,795 --> 00:58:52,663
All right, listen,
just over there,
1175
00:58:52,697 --> 00:58:55,733
-from where we were standing,
just this area here...
-MICHAEL: Yeah.
1176
00:58:55,766 --> 00:58:59,103
A shadow that's just gone
from there straight over
to here.
1177
00:58:59,136 --> 00:59:01,171
CRAIG: Same as it did before?
MICHAEL: How long ago?
1178
00:59:01,205 --> 00:59:04,308
GERRY: Just two seconds,
it went from there
across to here.
1179
00:59:04,341 --> 00:59:06,911
Dana spotted it.
I spotted it and I wasn't sure
1180
00:59:06,944 --> 00:59:10,014
and she confirmed
and it just moved straight
across there to here
1181
00:59:10,047 --> 00:59:11,882
and I saw you.
1182
00:59:11,916 --> 00:59:13,918
MICHAEL: I mean,
it was answering
questions to her.
1183
00:59:13,951 --> 00:59:16,020
Like, every time
she asked it a question,
it would respond.
1184
00:59:16,053 --> 00:59:17,187
-It wasn't, like,
randomly happening.
-Exactly...
1185
00:59:17,221 --> 00:59:18,889
Exactly after my question.
1186
00:59:18,923 --> 00:59:21,926
I tried questions,
Craig tried questions,
nothing.
1187
00:59:21,959 --> 00:59:24,662
-CRAIG: How's Dana?
-She's all right now,
she's fine.
1188
00:59:24,695 --> 00:59:26,897
But it's just that we both
saw that shadow,
1189
00:59:26,931 --> 00:59:30,801
and it moved from there
very fast over to here.
We both saw it.
1190
00:59:30,835 --> 00:59:33,003
And that's why I came
running over,
in case you...
1191
00:59:33,037 --> 00:59:35,105
-You know,
you got the senses of it.
-CRISELDA: Yeah.
1192
00:59:35,139 --> 00:59:38,208
This thing's
kicking off now,
1193
00:59:38,242 --> 00:59:39,944
so we might as well
get it while we can.
1194
00:59:39,977 --> 00:59:41,111
We're only here for
a few more hours.
1195
00:59:41,145 --> 00:59:44,014
CRAIG: Yeah.
KEVIN: Does Cris want to do
the Ouija board?
1196
00:59:44,048 --> 00:59:48,886
Well, going by how freaked out
she just was, I wouldn't have
thought so.
1197
00:59:48,919 --> 00:59:53,190
CRISELDA: Yeah, well,
we basically set up this
little table outside
1198
00:59:53,223 --> 00:59:55,125
where the activity
was happening.
1199
00:59:55,159 --> 00:59:56,560
I suppose
the Ouija board just...
1200
00:59:56,593 --> 01:00:00,230
Just with its history,
it had a little
element of, uh,
1201
01:00:00,264 --> 01:00:03,033
I guess a little fear element
of what's going to happen
1202
01:00:03,067 --> 01:00:05,169
when we sort
of get it out, but I...
1203
01:00:05,202 --> 01:00:06,937
I didn't really think
too much about it
1204
01:00:06,971 --> 01:00:08,973
because I'm not
a religious person.
1205
01:00:09,006 --> 01:00:11,842
Never have been.
I don't believe in any
of that kind of stuff.
1206
01:00:11,876 --> 01:00:16,380
I come from
a very religious family
and a religious country.
1207
01:00:16,413 --> 01:00:20,350
Most of the people
back home practice
the Catholic faith.
1208
01:00:20,384 --> 01:00:22,319
My thoughts about Ouija boards
1209
01:00:22,352 --> 01:00:25,189
is that nothing good
can ever come from it,
1210
01:00:25,222 --> 01:00:28,158
in fact, the opposite
can only come from it.
1211
01:00:28,192 --> 01:00:32,029
I don't know any situation
where one has been used,
1212
01:00:32,062 --> 01:00:35,032
where the people that
used it have walked away
happy about it.
1213
01:00:35,065 --> 01:00:37,234
RUTH: Well, there's been
1214
01:00:37,267 --> 01:00:40,771
stories about people being
possessed by spirits,
followed home by spirits.
1215
01:00:40,805 --> 01:00:44,842
I think we need to be clear
what you're inviting in,
first of all.
1216
01:00:44,875 --> 01:00:46,944
Uh, prayer is important,
1217
01:00:46,977 --> 01:00:49,680
but also the nature
of your questions.
1218
01:00:49,714 --> 01:00:52,683
We would very much like
to communicate with you.
1219
01:00:54,384 --> 01:00:58,956
If you are here,
could you please
let us know somehow
1220
01:00:58,989 --> 01:01:02,259
by moving the marker
1221
01:01:02,292 --> 01:01:06,030
or even by any other means,
touching us,
1222
01:01:06,063 --> 01:01:09,066
in any way you can to
let us know you're here,
1223
01:01:10,034 --> 01:01:12,102
but just show us something.
1224
01:01:15,105 --> 01:01:19,209
CRISELDA: So, they did
one round, nothing much
happened and, uh,
1225
01:01:19,243 --> 01:01:23,313
then Kevin said, you know,
"Cris, do you want
to have a go?"
1226
01:01:23,347 --> 01:01:26,016
I was a bit reluctant to join.
1227
01:01:26,050 --> 01:01:28,986
Um, didn't particularly
want to do it.
1228
01:01:29,019 --> 01:01:32,923
So, you know,
I reluctantly went and sat
and I just thought,
1229
01:01:32,957 --> 01:01:34,959
"Well, hopefully, you know,
nothing will happen."
1230
01:01:34,992 --> 01:01:36,493
So far nothing's happened.
1231
01:01:36,526 --> 01:01:39,163
We used a different method,
I think.
1232
01:01:39,196 --> 01:01:42,166
We used a ring.
1233
01:01:42,199 --> 01:01:44,735
KEVIN: This ring is, um,
quite special to me.
1234
01:01:44,769 --> 01:01:46,403
It's my father's ring.
1235
01:01:46,436 --> 01:01:49,840
My father died 25 years ago.
So it's his wedding ring.
1236
01:01:49,874 --> 01:01:52,977
So if you have interest
to try this out...
1237
01:01:53,010 --> 01:01:55,179
CRISELDA: How are we
gonna hold it?
1238
01:01:55,212 --> 01:01:57,114
CRAIG: How do you
wanna work this?
1239
01:02:08,959 --> 01:02:11,161
Okay, if there's
any spirits here
with us tonight,
1240
01:02:11,195 --> 01:02:13,230
please communicate with us
by the board.
1241
01:02:13,263 --> 01:02:17,101
RUTH: I would have
people with me
who are quite experienced
1242
01:02:17,134 --> 01:02:19,870
in working
in ghost investigations.
1243
01:02:19,904 --> 01:02:22,106
I would have
a clairvoyant there
that I trust.
1244
01:02:22,139 --> 01:02:24,909
You need those people there
who are experienced.
1245
01:02:24,942 --> 01:02:26,944
I wouldn't dream of doing
it without them.
1246
01:02:32,016 --> 01:02:33,984
CRAIG: Shit, that's scary.
(CHUCKLES)
1247
01:02:34,018 --> 01:02:36,086
CRISELDA:
What the hell happened?
1248
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,455
-That was weird.
-CRISELDA: It just jumped.
1249
01:02:38,488 --> 01:02:40,524
-Did you feel that,
it was like...
-Yeah, that just...
1250
01:02:40,557 --> 01:02:44,261
-CRISELDA: It vibrated. It...
-Yeah, it just kind of...
1251
01:02:44,294 --> 01:02:46,430
Just went and then,
I don't know...
1252
01:02:48,065 --> 01:02:50,267
KEVIN: Please let us know
that you are here.
1253
01:02:54,271 --> 01:02:56,006
MICHAEL: That's moving.
1254
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:59,009
Well, it's on
"S" definitely.
1255
01:02:59,043 --> 01:03:01,278
KEVIN: I don't know.
CRAIG: Well,
I'm barely touching it.
1256
01:03:01,311 --> 01:03:05,349
After a while,
there was definitely some
kind of movement there
1257
01:03:05,382 --> 01:03:07,384
and again with Ouija boards
it's hard to determine
1258
01:03:07,417 --> 01:03:10,287
whether something's happening
or whether you're just...
1259
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,022
You know, someone's
pushing it with their finger
1260
01:03:12,056 --> 01:03:14,024
or too much
weight on it or,
1261
01:03:14,058 --> 01:03:16,460
you know, nothing necessarily
going on on purpose, but, um,
1262
01:03:16,493 --> 01:03:18,128
just moving it by
accident maybe.
1263
01:03:22,399 --> 01:03:23,633
MICHAEL: Is it a "Q"?
KEVIN: It is "Q."
1264
01:03:23,667 --> 01:03:28,105
CRISELDA: It moved on
to different letters and...
1265
01:03:28,138 --> 01:03:32,977
Didn't really have
any idea of what it
was trying to spell out.
1266
01:03:33,010 --> 01:03:35,345
CRAIG: And we sort
of jotted them down
1267
01:03:35,379 --> 01:03:37,047
uh, just a random...
1268
01:03:37,081 --> 01:03:39,950
I think six, seven letters,
something like that.
1269
01:03:39,984 --> 01:03:41,218
It didn't really make
any sense at all.
1270
01:03:41,251 --> 01:03:42,987
I couldn't even
really pronounce it.
1271
01:03:43,020 --> 01:03:47,091
CRISELDA: It started
with an "S," I think. "Seqour"
or something like that.
1272
01:03:48,325 --> 01:03:49,626
Didn't really mean anything.
1273
01:03:49,659 --> 01:03:54,364
But when we sort of
got back and, uh,
researched and sort of
1274
01:03:54,398 --> 01:03:56,600
figured out anagrams
of these particular letters,
1275
01:03:56,633 --> 01:04:01,838
they actually made up a Latin
word that meant "to follow."
1276
01:04:03,607 --> 01:04:07,844
Which, uh, upon
discovering was
1277
01:04:08,678 --> 01:04:10,314
not fun to hear.
1278
01:04:10,347 --> 01:04:12,249
I can't imagine,
1279
01:04:12,282 --> 01:04:15,619
well, I guess one of us
could have known
1280
01:04:15,652 --> 01:04:19,123
some Latin words,
but it seems...
1281
01:04:19,156 --> 01:04:22,192
It just doesn't seem...
1282
01:04:22,226 --> 01:04:25,162
Seem possible to me. Um...
1283
01:04:25,195 --> 01:04:28,532
It was very bizarre,
very bizarre.
1284
01:04:28,565 --> 01:04:31,001
ROB: What we thought would be
an interesting idea once we
1285
01:04:31,035 --> 01:04:33,370
locked down the fact that
there was a hot spot,
1286
01:04:33,403 --> 01:04:36,540
would be if each
of us spent 10 minutes alone.
1287
01:04:36,573 --> 01:04:38,108
KEVIN: The "10 minutes alone"
was an experiment
1288
01:04:38,142 --> 01:04:39,476
based around
what Sunny and his friend
1289
01:04:39,509 --> 01:04:41,178
had seen up at Clophill
a few years before.
1290
01:04:41,211 --> 01:04:44,081
When we interviewed him,
it was daylight and lots
of people around,
1291
01:04:44,114 --> 01:04:45,615
he said, "Well, typical,
nothing's happened.
1292
01:04:45,649 --> 01:04:48,919
"I guarantee if I was
on my own, something
would happen."
1293
01:04:48,953 --> 01:04:50,720
So, we thought, "Well,
why don't we try that?"
1294
01:04:50,754 --> 01:04:53,523
Each of us will spend
10 minutes on our own
over by the line of graves
1295
01:04:53,557 --> 01:04:56,093
and set the camera up
and just see what happens.
1296
01:04:56,126 --> 01:04:59,629
The 10-minute
experiment was...
1297
01:04:59,663 --> 01:05:04,534
My heart was pounding
so, so strong
1298
01:05:04,568 --> 01:05:07,304
because I really didn't want
to be there on my own.
1299
01:05:24,321 --> 01:05:28,592
Still no activity
to report so far.
1300
01:05:31,195 --> 01:05:34,598
This is the time when it's
going to happen, 1:00.
1301
01:05:41,738 --> 01:05:44,008
-CRAIG: It's your turn, Rob.
-See you in a bit.
1302
01:05:44,041 --> 01:05:45,275
-How you feeling?
-MICHAEL: Good luck, Rob.
1303
01:05:45,309 --> 01:05:47,311
ROB: Feeling well,
feeling good.
1304
01:05:48,045 --> 01:05:49,113
Yeah?
1305
01:05:52,116 --> 01:05:54,451
ROB: Evening.
MARK J.: Evening.
1306
01:05:54,484 --> 01:05:57,221
-How's it going?
-Nothing to report really.
1307
01:05:57,254 --> 01:05:58,555
No? Nothing to report?
1308
01:05:58,588 --> 01:06:00,490
-No signs.
-No signs.
1309
01:06:00,524 --> 01:06:02,726
-Not a jiffy.
-Not a jiffy.
1310
01:06:04,461 --> 01:06:06,430
How do?
1311
01:06:06,463 --> 01:06:08,765
Just here for my
10 minutes of fame.
1312
01:06:08,798 --> 01:06:10,334
(BREATHES DEEPLY)
1313
01:06:10,367 --> 01:06:14,238
I suppose I should
take the hood off, really,
so I can hear what's going on.
1314
01:06:16,140 --> 01:06:18,542
Lots of moonlight.
1315
01:06:18,575 --> 01:06:22,646
Ah, let's do the hair.
Cheers, Mark.
1316
01:06:22,679 --> 01:06:24,614
(SHUSHING)
1317
01:06:26,616 --> 01:06:31,255
Ah, so, what we got here?
1318
01:06:35,659 --> 01:06:37,361
(FAINT RUSTLING)
1319
01:06:37,394 --> 01:06:41,031
Ah. Got a little
bit of rustling
1320
01:06:41,831 --> 01:06:43,433
over this way.
1321
01:06:44,334 --> 01:06:46,002
Is that Mr. Fox?
1322
01:07:10,094 --> 01:07:11,561
Okay, torch off.
1323
01:07:17,167 --> 01:07:19,069
(FOOTSTEPS APPROACHING)
1324
01:07:22,806 --> 01:07:25,542
(LOW) So, I can definitely
hear footsteps now.
1325
01:07:27,377 --> 01:07:29,646
(MICHAEL SPEAKING
INDISTINCTLY ON RADIO)
1326
01:07:29,679 --> 01:07:31,348
KEVIN: Definitely movement.
1327
01:07:31,381 --> 01:07:33,550
You see movement there, Mike?
1328
01:07:40,757 --> 01:07:43,160
CRAIG: Are you ready, Cris?
CRISELDA: (SOFTLY) Oh, God.
1329
01:07:43,193 --> 01:07:45,195
CRAIG: Here we go.
CRISELDA: Really?
1330
01:07:45,229 --> 01:07:46,830
CRAIG: Go for it.
1331
01:07:46,863 --> 01:07:49,699
MICHAEL: I see a torch.
Is that Cris on her way?
1332
01:07:49,733 --> 01:07:53,503
CRAIG: Yep. She's just
approaching the, uh,
church now.
1333
01:07:59,143 --> 01:08:00,377
(CRISELDA
SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY)
1334
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,516
I've just been advised
to be quiet a bit,
1335
01:08:08,852 --> 01:08:10,754
so that I can
hear any noises.
1336
01:08:10,787 --> 01:08:11,788
(DISTANT YELL)
1337
01:08:13,490 --> 01:08:16,126
(FOOTSTEPS APPROACHING)
1338
01:08:23,267 --> 01:08:26,236
Okay, there are some
noises behind me,
1339
01:08:26,270 --> 01:08:27,804
right by the path.
1340
01:08:29,873 --> 01:08:33,810
Did you say you heard noises?
What sort of noises?
1341
01:08:33,843 --> 01:08:35,479
CRISELDA: In the bushes.
1342
01:08:35,512 --> 01:08:38,648
-MICHAEL: Yeah, that's
exactly what I heard.
-Hmm.
1343
01:08:43,387 --> 01:08:45,655
There is a lot
of movement there.
1344
01:08:49,493 --> 01:08:51,228
(RUSTLING)
1345
01:08:58,435 --> 01:09:01,505
How long? How much longer
do I have to be here?
1346
01:09:19,656 --> 01:09:23,660
Okay, there's definitely
something there.
I don't know what it is.
1347
01:09:24,761 --> 01:09:26,830
But it's just behind there.
1348
01:09:30,267 --> 01:09:32,769
Oh, thank God.
1349
01:09:32,802 --> 01:09:35,772
(SIGHS LOUDLY) So, I'm going
to go now. Hurrah!
1350
01:09:35,805 --> 01:09:38,942
My 10 minutes is over.
I'm so glad.
1351
01:09:38,975 --> 01:09:42,246
KEVIN: Make sure you give
Craig the walkie-talkie.
1352
01:09:42,279 --> 01:09:45,215
Yep, he's here now.
I'm leaving him
the walkie-talkie.
1353
01:09:45,249 --> 01:09:50,587
And I'm so glad I'm done,
because this noise
ain't stopping, mate.
1354
01:09:50,620 --> 01:09:54,291
-It's just right there.
-CRAIG: What kind of noise?
1355
01:09:54,324 --> 01:10:00,196
Well, just now,
it's like walking
on the gravel, I swear.
1356
01:10:01,465 --> 01:10:02,766
-Okay.
-(CHUCKLES NERVOUSLY)
1357
01:10:02,799 --> 01:10:06,836
-Have you had your torch
on the whole time?
-Yeah, what'd you think?
1358
01:10:06,870 --> 01:10:08,738
Can you feel my heart?
1359
01:10:12,776 --> 01:10:13,843
Good luck.
1360
01:10:13,877 --> 01:10:15,445
-Bye.
-Bye.
1361
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,581
-Well, here she comes.
-She's actually running.
1362
01:10:17,614 --> 01:10:20,884
-Oh, wow.
-She's running.
1363
01:10:20,917 --> 01:10:23,620
If you can see me from here,
this is, uh...
1364
01:10:26,790 --> 01:10:30,360
Roughly where the sightings
have been seen. Just here.
1365
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,703
-(MICHAEL TALKING
INDISTINCTLY OVER RADIO)
-Fuck!
1366
01:10:39,736 --> 01:10:43,773
(LAUGHING) The biggest
scare of the night was
that, Mike. Cheers.
1367
01:10:43,807 --> 01:10:45,642
(FAINT RUSTLING IN DISTANCE)
1368
01:10:48,478 --> 01:10:50,580
(FAINT TAPPING)
1369
01:10:52,649 --> 01:10:54,851
There is definitely something.
1370
01:10:56,486 --> 01:10:58,855
(FAINT FOOTSTEPS)
1371
01:11:00,424 --> 01:11:02,492
Can you hear that?
1372
01:11:06,095 --> 01:11:08,932
CRAIG: There are definitely
noises. Uh...
1373
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:13,770
It seems to have
stopped now, but, um...
1374
01:11:13,803 --> 01:11:17,273
For a while it was like
something was rushing
through the trees.
1375
01:11:21,711 --> 01:11:24,948
Is there anybody here
that would like to talk to me?
1376
01:11:27,417 --> 01:11:28,918
We're not here
to harm you at all.
1377
01:11:28,952 --> 01:11:32,722
We're just here literally
to try and say hello,
1378
01:11:32,756 --> 01:11:35,859
and, um, see if there's
anything we can do
1379
01:11:35,892 --> 01:11:37,927
to even possibly help you.
1380
01:11:49,105 --> 01:11:50,974
Is that you?
1381
01:11:51,007 --> 01:11:52,942
Are you here with me?
1382
01:12:01,651 --> 01:12:03,553
There's something
in the trees down below.
1383
01:12:03,587 --> 01:12:05,855
It's a really dark path,
but there's something.
1384
01:12:07,156 --> 01:12:09,325
(EERIE MUSIC PLAYING)
1385
01:12:16,866 --> 01:12:20,003
Actually, it seems
like the security.
1386
01:12:20,036 --> 01:12:22,506
They may have heard it, too,
'cause I can see their torches
1387
01:12:22,539 --> 01:12:25,575
shining in exactly
the same direction
that I'm pointing,
1388
01:12:25,609 --> 01:12:28,478
straight down this pathway.
1389
01:12:28,512 --> 01:12:31,781
Okay, Kev, how are you doing
up there? Are you ready?
1390
01:12:31,815 --> 01:12:33,817
KEVIN: Yeah, I'm in position
and the camera is rolling.
1391
01:12:33,850 --> 01:12:35,452
Um...
1392
01:12:35,485 --> 01:12:39,122
I'm over here by the graves,
it's all pretty quiet
at the moment.
1393
01:12:39,155 --> 01:12:42,592
-Okay, keep us posted
if anything happens.
-Ten minutes start now.
1394
01:12:42,626 --> 01:12:44,093
Ten minutes start now.
1395
01:12:51,167 --> 01:12:52,802
(LEAVES RUSTLING)
1396
01:12:52,836 --> 01:12:54,638
-(FAINT FOOTSTEPS)
-What's that?
1397
01:12:58,542 --> 01:13:01,878
KEVIN: Definitely heard
something, in the...
1398
01:13:01,911 --> 01:13:03,980
Behind the grave,
below the tree.
1399
01:13:04,013 --> 01:13:05,081
(WALKIE-TALKIE CLICKS)
1400
01:13:12,522 --> 01:13:14,724
-All right.
-(INDISTINCT)
1401
01:13:14,758 --> 01:13:17,060
KEVIN: Behind the graves.
1402
01:13:17,093 --> 01:13:18,628
CRAIG: He's hearing sounds
behind the grave.
1403
01:13:18,662 --> 01:13:19,729
When you say, "strange,"
what do you mean?
1404
01:13:19,763 --> 01:13:22,866
Like, breathing, uh, movement,
what kind of thing?
1405
01:13:23,767 --> 01:13:25,969
Definite movement.
1406
01:13:26,002 --> 01:13:28,972
If it's quiet, then hopefully
the mics can pick stuff up.
1407
01:13:29,005 --> 01:13:31,140
CRAIG: Five minutes, exactly.
1408
01:13:31,174 --> 01:13:33,209
Half the time.
1409
01:13:33,242 --> 01:13:35,579
KEVIN: I'm gonna go
check it out.
1410
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:52,195
-Mark?
-MARK J.: Mmm-hmm?
1411
01:13:52,228 --> 01:13:54,598
How's Rob doing?
Is he all right?
1412
01:13:54,631 --> 01:13:56,199
Um, he said he wasn't
feeling very well.
1413
01:13:56,232 --> 01:13:58,201
-He just needed a breather.
-Oh, okay.
1414
01:13:58,234 --> 01:14:00,169
CRISELDA: I think
he said he'll rest
in the car for a bit.
1415
01:14:00,203 --> 01:14:02,038
Okay, that's fine.
1416
01:14:02,071 --> 01:14:04,173
Okay, Kev,
how's the hunt going?
1417
01:14:12,749 --> 01:14:15,752
-How long are we in?
-He is eight minutes now.
1418
01:14:15,785 --> 01:14:17,987
All right, Kev,
you're eight minutes,
so, in a minute's time
1419
01:14:18,021 --> 01:14:20,089
we're going to probably
come look for you anyway.
1420
01:14:20,123 --> 01:14:21,725
How you doing?
1421
01:14:29,032 --> 01:14:32,101
-I think we should go.
-We got to give him
his full 10 minutes.
1422
01:14:32,135 --> 01:14:36,973
Unfortunately that's
the agreement we had
when we did this thing.
1423
01:14:37,006 --> 01:14:40,243
-CRAIG: Just a bit worrying
that he's not answering.
-Yeah, I know.
1424
01:14:40,276 --> 01:14:41,811
Yeah, let's go on there.
1425
01:14:41,845 --> 01:14:43,980
CRAIG: Is it 10 minutes?
MICHAEL: Yeah, close enough.
1426
01:14:44,013 --> 01:14:47,584
By the time we get over there,
it will be 10 minutes.
1427
01:14:52,622 --> 01:14:54,991
Is there someone with
a torch over there?
1428
01:14:55,725 --> 01:14:58,862
Kev? No, he's not there.
1429
01:14:58,895 --> 01:15:00,597
CRISELDA: Kev.
1430
01:15:08,071 --> 01:15:10,273
Okay, so he's probably...
1431
01:15:10,306 --> 01:15:11,608
-Kev.
-Kev.
1432
01:15:11,641 --> 01:15:14,177
What's happened here, man?
1433
01:15:14,210 --> 01:15:15,879
I thought I just
heard him walking.
1434
01:15:15,912 --> 01:15:17,914
I, uh, will check for these...
1435
01:15:17,947 --> 01:15:20,283
-Has he got a torch?
-Is the camera still rolling
on Kevs?
1436
01:15:20,316 --> 01:15:23,119
-Yeah, it's still rolling.
-It's still rolling.
1437
01:15:23,152 --> 01:15:24,654
CRISELDA: Kev got a torch.
1438
01:15:24,688 --> 01:15:25,889
He would have
heard us, though.
1439
01:15:25,922 --> 01:15:26,890
He's probably
not that far away.
1440
01:15:26,923 --> 01:15:28,725
That's all right. You guys,
just hang on a sec.
1441
01:15:28,758 --> 01:15:31,060
Well, me and Mark will just
go around the path.
1442
01:15:31,094 --> 01:15:33,730
CRAIG: All right.
We'll wait here.
1443
01:15:33,763 --> 01:15:35,098
Mark, can I use your light?
1444
01:15:40,269 --> 01:15:41,805
That is weird.
1445
01:15:42,772 --> 01:15:44,608
Well, did he...
1446
01:15:45,975 --> 01:15:48,812
Did he not
maybe go down that way?
1447
01:15:51,347 --> 01:15:53,717
Yeah, but then he would
have radioed us
1448
01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:55,619
and the radio would have...
1449
01:15:57,220 --> 01:15:59,956
(FAINT TAPPING IN DISTANCE)
1450
01:16:01,691 --> 01:16:03,760
CRAIG: Can you hear that,
in there?
1451
01:16:04,828 --> 01:16:07,030
Kev?
1452
01:16:07,063 --> 01:16:08,998
I think I heard
a voice around this way.
1453
01:16:09,032 --> 01:16:10,333
Is that you?
1454
01:16:10,366 --> 01:16:12,001
Hang on, that's the...
That's the radio.
1455
01:16:12,035 --> 01:16:13,970
-MARK J.: Where? Where?
-Kev?
1456
01:16:15,371 --> 01:16:17,106
(TAPPING IN DISTANCE)
1457
01:16:19,342 --> 01:16:21,945
There's a light over there.
There's the walkie-talkie.
1458
01:16:21,978 --> 01:16:25,114
Where the hell is he now?
I saw movement in there.
1459
01:16:25,148 --> 01:16:27,116
-Yeah, you all right?
-Yeah.
1460
01:16:27,984 --> 01:16:30,153
He couldn't go far from here.
1461
01:16:30,186 --> 01:16:32,221
-Keep it down.
-Okay. Sorry.
1462
01:16:33,857 --> 01:16:37,393
(WHISPERING) When I was
over there, there was...
1463
01:16:37,426 --> 01:16:41,765
There was definite footsteps
coming from behind the graves.
1464
01:16:41,798 --> 01:16:43,833
Literally over there.
1465
01:16:43,867 --> 01:16:46,335
There was a shape,
a dark shape.
1466
01:16:46,369 --> 01:16:50,306
It moved right across,
left to right.
1467
01:16:51,274 --> 01:16:52,742
MICHAEL: Okay.
1468
01:16:57,180 --> 01:16:59,115
CRAIG: I can't even hear
Mike or Mark now.
1469
01:16:59,148 --> 01:17:01,951
-Where they hell has
everyone gone?
-I really don't know...
1470
01:17:01,985 --> 01:17:04,721
-CRAIG: Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!
-Psst.
1471
01:17:04,754 --> 01:17:06,890
They've just gone round
the corner to look
for Kev, but...
1472
01:17:16,432 --> 01:17:18,234
CRAIG: I don't even
have the radio now, so, I...
1473
01:17:18,267 --> 01:17:20,003
(SHUSHING)
1474
01:17:21,237 --> 01:17:22,772
What the hell is that?
1475
01:17:25,809 --> 01:17:27,276
-CRAIG: Fucking shit!
-(SCREAMING)
1476
01:17:27,310 --> 01:17:29,713
CRISELDA: Get out
of there, Craig!
1477
01:17:29,746 --> 01:17:32,181
-Gerry, get over here!
-What's happening?
1478
01:17:33,449 --> 01:17:34,951
(CRISELDA WHIMPERING)
1479
01:17:34,984 --> 01:17:37,086
We need to go... Gerry!
1480
01:17:37,954 --> 01:17:39,422
Give us a hand.
1481
01:17:39,455 --> 01:17:40,690
-GERRY: You all right?
-Yeah.
1482
01:17:40,724 --> 01:17:43,192
I don't know
what the fucking hell,
something's in there.
1483
01:17:43,226 --> 01:17:45,929
-It's down there
in the bushes.
-Kev!
1484
01:17:45,962 --> 01:17:48,197
(CRISELDA MUTTERING)
1485
01:17:48,231 --> 01:17:50,900
They saw something
that froze them to the spot.
1486
01:17:50,934 --> 01:17:52,135
Something...
1487
01:17:52,168 --> 01:17:54,704
-You all right?
-Yeah, no. Something...
1488
01:17:54,738 --> 01:17:56,405
Something was in there.
1489
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,441
CRAIG: I don't know
what it was, some kind
of face or something.
1490
01:17:58,474 --> 01:18:01,778
She freaked out,
she ran and now she's...
Now she can't move.
1491
01:18:01,811 --> 01:18:04,047
-(CRISELDA SOBBING)
-Did you just push this on
her ankle or something?
1492
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,215
Yeah... I don't know
if she's fallen or...
1493
01:18:06,249 --> 01:18:07,817
She's shivering.
I don't know.
1494
01:18:07,851 --> 01:18:09,385
(SOBBING) I can't move it.
1495
01:18:09,418 --> 01:18:11,387
But we need to go...
Something... Seriously,
go and have a look down there.
1496
01:18:11,420 --> 01:18:13,489
CRISELDA: I can't
feel anything!
1497
01:18:13,522 --> 01:18:16,092
MICHAEL: Gerry, help me out.
1498
01:18:16,125 --> 01:18:18,027
-Gerry, did you see anything?
-I didn't.
1499
01:18:18,061 --> 01:18:21,097
I shone the torch there,
but there was nothing.
1500
01:18:21,130 --> 01:18:24,067
CRAIG: Are you okay?
CRISELDA: (SOBS) I can't walk.
1501
01:18:24,100 --> 01:18:26,069
You can't walk?
Literally, you can't walk?
1502
01:18:26,102 --> 01:18:28,872
-I can't move my legs.
-Let's get her out of here...
1503
01:18:28,905 --> 01:18:31,107
Let's get back over to church.
Come on, guys.
1504
01:18:32,441 --> 01:18:34,343
Hello, Rob.
Can you hear me, Rob?
1505
01:18:34,377 --> 01:18:37,213
-(GRUNTING)
-Oh, man...
1506
01:18:37,246 --> 01:18:39,082
I swear to God,
I don't know what
the hell that was,
1507
01:18:39,115 --> 01:18:44,921
but there was something
behind the gravestones,
in the tree.
1508
01:18:44,954 --> 01:18:46,856
-Did anyone go back
around there?
-Yeah, there was...
1509
01:18:46,890 --> 01:18:49,292
I didn't see anything at all.
You didn't, did you, Gerry?
1510
01:18:49,325 --> 01:18:53,229
I did. I shone
the torch around,
I couldn't see anything.
1511
01:18:53,262 --> 01:18:56,499
You know, if one of you guys
was, like, around there trying
to trick us or something,
1512
01:18:56,532 --> 01:18:57,967
I would have known.
That wasn't normal.
1513
01:18:58,001 --> 01:18:59,502
I swear to God,
that wasn't normal.
1514
01:18:59,535 --> 01:19:01,905
Come on. Let's just get out,
let's just go.
1515
01:19:01,938 --> 01:19:04,140
-Let's just go home.
-(SOBBING)
1516
01:19:11,981 --> 01:19:13,783
(INDISTINCT TALKING
ON RADIO)
1517
01:19:24,994 --> 01:19:26,462
Over this way.
1518
01:19:40,009 --> 01:19:41,878
Guys, just do me a favor.
Just head back to the car.
1519
01:19:41,911 --> 01:19:42,979
Just make sure
Cris is all right.
1520
01:19:43,012 --> 01:19:44,413
Me and Kev
will just head this way,
1521
01:19:44,447 --> 01:19:46,115
see what we could find, yeah.
We'll be back in a minute.
1522
01:19:46,149 --> 01:19:47,250
Okay.
1523
01:19:59,162 --> 01:20:00,363
Right here.
1524
01:20:04,633 --> 01:20:06,335
Just mind your head.
1525
01:20:10,373 --> 01:20:13,009
KEVIN: You think
this is the best idea?
1526
01:20:13,042 --> 01:20:15,078
Kev, seriously,
there was something there.
1527
01:20:15,111 --> 01:20:16,846
If you play that tape back,
you'll see it.
1528
01:20:29,525 --> 01:20:31,227
Gerry's on round.
1529
01:20:42,105 --> 01:20:43,873
(TWIGS SNAPPING)
1530
01:21:07,463 --> 01:21:08,932
Shh.
1531
01:21:15,271 --> 01:21:16,539
Which way?
1532
01:21:18,441 --> 01:21:21,410
KEVIN: I don't know.
Just keep going.
1533
01:21:35,158 --> 01:21:36,492
Turn the torch off.
1534
01:21:36,525 --> 01:21:37,994
(TAPPING)
1535
01:21:38,027 --> 01:21:39,562
CRAIG: Do you see that?
1536
01:21:41,197 --> 01:21:42,331
KEVIN: Yeah, I see it.
1537
01:21:42,365 --> 01:21:45,101
(INDISTINCT CHANTING)
1538
01:21:45,134 --> 01:21:47,470
CRAIG: What are they doing?
1539
01:21:48,537 --> 01:21:50,006
(SHUSHING)
1540
01:22:05,388 --> 01:22:07,590
(INDISTINCT CHANTING)
1541
01:22:48,364 --> 01:22:50,199
-KEVIN: We should go.
-(TWIGS SNAPPING)
1542
01:22:50,233 --> 01:22:51,567
CRAIG: Shit! Fuck!
1543
01:23:10,053 --> 01:23:13,089
Fuck! Fuck! Do you think
they followed us?
1544
01:23:13,122 --> 01:23:15,024
KEVIN: (PANTING)
I don't know, man.
1545
01:23:15,058 --> 01:23:16,159
Shit!
1546
01:23:19,762 --> 01:23:21,197
(PANTING)
1547
01:23:21,630 --> 01:23:23,099
Shh...
1548
01:23:23,132 --> 01:23:24,533
Did you hear that?
1549
01:23:24,567 --> 01:23:25,734
What?
1550
01:23:28,271 --> 01:23:31,240
Oh, fuck. Shit!
1551
01:23:31,274 --> 01:23:32,441
Fuck! Oh!
1552
01:23:32,475 --> 01:23:33,642
(GRUNTS)
1553
01:23:34,843 --> 01:23:37,146
-Come on! Fuck!
-Go!
1554
01:23:38,547 --> 01:23:40,683
(GRUNTING) Shit!
1555
01:23:42,585 --> 01:23:44,353
Shit!
1556
01:23:44,387 --> 01:23:46,189
Give me your hand! Come on!
1557
01:23:54,330 --> 01:23:56,232
(PANTING)
1558
01:24:06,475 --> 01:24:08,111
(SIREN WAILING)
1559
01:24:11,580 --> 01:24:13,582
KEVIN: The police
were all over the area
by this point,
1560
01:24:13,616 --> 01:24:16,219
and we told them
what happened,
what we just witnessed.
1561
01:24:16,252 --> 01:24:19,688
They went back down there
to have a look and
scout the whole area.
1562
01:24:19,722 --> 01:24:22,591
When they came back up,
they said there was no
sign of anything down there.
1563
01:24:22,625 --> 01:24:24,460
They hadn't seen
anybody at all.
1564
01:24:32,535 --> 01:24:38,641
CRAIG: When we arrived
home that evening, the...
1565
01:24:38,674 --> 01:24:40,676
The night wasn't over.
1566
01:24:40,709 --> 01:24:45,314
-Here she is.
-(HUFFS) I'm exhausted,
I'm really tired.
1567
01:24:45,348 --> 01:24:48,717
CRAIG: Cris was recovering
from what had happened.
1568
01:24:48,751 --> 01:24:53,322
She got feeling back
and started to feel
a little normal again.
1569
01:24:53,356 --> 01:24:57,260
CRISELDA: This was, like,
4:00 in the morning.
1570
01:24:57,293 --> 01:25:01,697
And apart from the tiredness,
I was quite distressed.
1571
01:25:01,730 --> 01:25:05,868
We just really wanted
to go to bed and not
think about anything until...
1572
01:25:05,901 --> 01:25:07,370
Until the next day, really.
1573
01:25:08,837 --> 01:25:11,874
CRAIG: We have to be quiet,
though, because everyone's
going to be asleep.
1574
01:25:11,907 --> 01:25:13,409
CRISELDA: Maybe we should
take our shoes off.
1575
01:25:13,442 --> 01:25:16,612
CRAIG: Yes, we should take
our shoes off and go.
1576
01:25:16,645 --> 01:25:21,550
-(THUDDING)
-CRAIG: Shit! Shit!
1577
01:25:21,584 --> 01:25:24,220
-I can't see a bloody thing.
It's pitch black.
-(SHUSHING)
1578
01:25:24,253 --> 01:25:25,721
CRISELDA: We have
to be really quiet.
1579
01:25:25,754 --> 01:25:27,256
But if we use
the night vision,
1580
01:25:27,290 --> 01:25:29,292
at least that will show us
where we're going.
1581
01:25:29,325 --> 01:25:30,759
What I was thinking. Genius.
1582
01:25:30,793 --> 01:25:33,796
CRAIG: Where the hell
is the switch?
Oh, here we go. Hang on.
1583
01:25:35,698 --> 01:25:37,866
My God! Shit!
1584
01:25:37,900 --> 01:25:39,502
Caitlyn!
1585
01:25:39,535 --> 01:25:42,371
CRAIG: And there,
right in front of us
1586
01:25:42,405 --> 01:25:46,342
was our six-year-old
daughter, standing
1587
01:25:46,375 --> 01:25:50,779
with her head down,
hair over her face.
1588
01:25:50,813 --> 01:25:54,383
It was quite frightening
at the time.
1589
01:25:54,417 --> 01:25:56,419
It was, um...
1590
01:25:56,452 --> 01:25:59,255
Obviously,
it's our own daughter,
but, um, it just was
1591
01:25:59,288 --> 01:26:02,625
a shock to see her
standing in the living room
1592
01:26:02,658 --> 01:26:05,661
at that time in the morning,
in the pitch blackness.
1593
01:26:05,694 --> 01:26:07,930
CRAIG: Turn the lights on.
Turn the lights on.
1594
01:26:07,963 --> 01:26:10,466
CRISELDA: For goodness sake,
what the hell?
1595
01:26:10,499 --> 01:26:13,536
CRAIG: And right in front
of her, on the floor
1596
01:26:13,569 --> 01:26:16,739
was our huge wooden cross
1597
01:26:16,772 --> 01:26:19,208
that's usually hung
above the stairs.
1598
01:26:19,242 --> 01:26:21,577
How it got there,
I have no idea and why...
1599
01:26:21,610 --> 01:26:24,447
Why she was standing
in the living room
1600
01:26:24,480 --> 01:26:27,283
in the darkness
at 4:00 in the morning,
1601
01:26:27,316 --> 01:26:29,218
I could never really explain.
1602
01:26:29,252 --> 01:26:33,722
She wasn't aware of anything.
She wouldn't wake up.
1603
01:26:33,756 --> 01:26:38,727
Cris was panicking about
things because of what
we'd just experienced.
1604
01:26:38,761 --> 01:26:40,729
Uh, so I just had to
calm her down
1605
01:26:40,763 --> 01:26:43,966
and tell her it was all fine.
1606
01:26:43,999 --> 01:26:46,469
I picked Caitlyn up,
I took her upstairs.
1607
01:26:46,502 --> 01:26:48,937
Um, put her in bed.
1608
01:26:50,273 --> 01:26:52,608
Oh, night-night, tiny girl.
1609
01:26:56,745 --> 01:26:58,914
Peaceful, carried on sleeping.
1610
01:27:00,849 --> 01:27:04,920
We'd obviously had experiences
with Caitlyn in the past
as a young girl,
1611
01:27:04,953 --> 01:27:07,423
talking about
being able to communicate,
1612
01:27:07,456 --> 01:27:09,858
but we thought it had finished
because she was now
1613
01:27:09,892 --> 01:27:13,262
getting to the age where
most people sort of say that
1614
01:27:13,296 --> 01:27:15,931
if the children do
experience things,
they start to lose it.
1615
01:27:15,964 --> 01:27:20,369
But then she came to us,
uh, the morning after
the event,
1616
01:27:20,403 --> 01:27:21,737
I think, really, it was,
1617
01:27:21,770 --> 01:27:25,308
and said that someone new
was talking to her.
1618
01:27:25,341 --> 01:27:28,243
Someone she hadn't
seen before.
1619
01:27:29,044 --> 01:27:31,647
And that
they weren't very nice.
1620
01:27:32,748 --> 01:27:34,850
And that they wanted
to cause harm,
1621
01:27:34,883 --> 01:27:39,355
and that they were
pretending to be her friend.
1622
01:27:39,388 --> 01:27:43,359
She's not really one to
make things up like that.
1623
01:27:43,392 --> 01:27:45,528
And she's talked
about this friend since,
1624
01:27:46,662 --> 01:27:49,298
on numerous occasions.
1625
01:27:49,332 --> 01:27:51,467
And it's made Cris...
1626
01:27:54,703 --> 01:27:59,775
Really petrified
about being on their own
in that house, really.
1627
01:27:59,808 --> 01:28:04,680
It is a concern, and it's
obviously bothering me.
1628
01:28:04,713 --> 01:28:06,915
Maybe it's just
your imagination.
1629
01:28:06,949 --> 01:28:10,453
But it's the same thing
like when I was in Spain.
1630
01:28:10,486 --> 01:28:12,988
I'd say, "Oh, maybe
that was nothing."
1631
01:28:13,021 --> 01:28:14,723
Or maybe there is something.
1632
01:28:14,757 --> 01:28:17,793
CRAIG: All the events
that happened up at Clophill
1633
01:28:17,826 --> 01:28:22,931
point, quite clearly,
to the idea that
1634
01:28:22,965 --> 01:28:24,800
something followed us home.
1635
01:28:24,833 --> 01:28:29,538
CRISELDA: As much as possible,
we obviously do not want
to frighten the children.
1636
01:28:29,572 --> 01:28:33,576
If it carries on,
you know, we might have to
1637
01:28:33,609 --> 01:28:35,077
do something about it.
1638
01:28:35,110 --> 01:28:38,113
CRAIG: I don't know
who's up there.
1639
01:28:38,146 --> 01:28:39,281
I don't know
if anyone's up there.
1640
01:28:42,017 --> 01:28:46,822
I guess you just have to go up
and make your own mind up.
1641
01:29:14,950 --> 01:29:16,619
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