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Get the purple suitcase 6 00:01:07,535 --> 00:01:10,204 'cause that will fit both our stuff. 7 00:01:10,238 --> 00:01:11,605 CRAIG: I can't hear a word you're saying. 8 00:01:16,244 --> 00:01:18,746 It's actually better without the light, you know. 9 00:01:18,779 --> 00:01:20,248 Not for me. 10 00:01:20,281 --> 00:01:21,515 -Well, I know. -Whoa! 11 00:01:21,549 --> 00:01:23,151 Are you, uh, ready 12 00:01:24,185 --> 00:01:25,286 for the next three days? 13 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,121 Right now, the image is me. 14 00:01:27,155 --> 00:01:28,489 But what happens when the image is something else? 15 00:01:28,522 --> 00:01:29,590 -Shut up. -What? 16 00:01:29,623 --> 00:01:31,592 You're five steps away from me. 17 00:01:31,625 --> 00:01:34,195 And then your face looks a bit stripy. 18 00:01:34,228 --> 00:01:35,629 But what's that next to you? 19 00:01:35,663 --> 00:01:37,398 -Shut up! -(LAUGHING) 20 00:01:37,431 --> 00:01:40,268 Maybe we don't even have to go to a church to find ghosts. 21 00:01:40,301 --> 00:01:42,803 Anywhere could be haunted. This house could be haunted. 22 00:01:42,836 --> 00:01:45,339 Yeah, don't freak me out in my own house. 23 00:01:45,373 --> 00:01:47,441 I have heard of Clophill Church. 24 00:01:47,475 --> 00:01:49,643 The way I know it actually 25 00:01:49,677 --> 00:01:52,813 is the old St. Mary's Church in Bedfordshire. 26 00:01:52,846 --> 00:01:54,582 WILLIAM: It's about 500 years old. 27 00:01:54,615 --> 00:01:57,451 It stands on top of a hill, well above the village. 28 00:01:57,485 --> 00:01:59,620 And that used to be the parish church for the area. 29 00:01:59,653 --> 00:02:01,789 MARK K.: But then, of course, in the Victorian period, 30 00:02:01,822 --> 00:02:03,891 with new architects, new buildings 31 00:02:03,924 --> 00:02:06,460 and also population increases, 32 00:02:06,494 --> 00:02:08,762 they built a new St. Mary's Church 33 00:02:08,796 --> 00:02:11,232 towards the town center of that area. 34 00:02:11,265 --> 00:02:14,368 And sadly, the old St. Mary's became redundant. 35 00:02:14,402 --> 00:02:16,604 WILLIAM: Eventually, it just became a mortuary chapel. 36 00:02:16,637 --> 00:02:19,473 They actually stopped using it as a church as such. 37 00:02:19,507 --> 00:02:21,642 But then, somebody stole all the lead off the roof. 38 00:02:21,675 --> 00:02:23,511 When the lead was gone, 39 00:02:23,544 --> 00:02:25,379 that's when all the weird stuff started happening. 40 00:02:25,413 --> 00:02:26,947 And, you know, people started using it 41 00:02:26,980 --> 00:02:29,950 for alleged devil worshipping, black magic, that kind of thing. 42 00:02:29,983 --> 00:02:33,654 RUTH: It also had the reputation of being somewhere 43 00:02:33,687 --> 00:02:35,923 where, on Halloween, you used to get groups of people 44 00:02:35,956 --> 00:02:38,792 doing some kind of rites and things like that up there. 45 00:02:38,826 --> 00:02:42,196 Sometimes you drive past on Halloween, you see fires up there. 46 00:02:42,230 --> 00:02:45,833 KEVIN: Well, Clophill wasn't a cult landmark in the 1960s and '70s. 47 00:02:45,866 --> 00:02:47,301 As well as all the satanic stuff, 48 00:02:47,335 --> 00:02:48,902 it also had many sightings 49 00:02:48,936 --> 00:02:51,372 of apparitions in and around the churchyard. 50 00:02:51,405 --> 00:02:55,443 MARK K.: Until the 1960s it was a rather nondescript place. 51 00:02:55,476 --> 00:02:58,546 Since then it has been a breeding ground, if you like, 52 00:02:58,579 --> 00:03:00,548 for paranormal activists 53 00:03:00,581 --> 00:03:02,583 and paranoid individuals. 54 00:03:08,256 --> 00:03:09,957 Okay. Hi, everyone. So here we go. 55 00:03:09,990 --> 00:03:12,593 It's Friday morning, 56 00:03:12,626 --> 00:03:14,962 and the sun is shining at the moment. 57 00:03:14,995 --> 00:03:17,931 And we're now just getting set to get in the car, 58 00:03:17,965 --> 00:03:19,733 and basically go off to meet the guys. 59 00:03:19,767 --> 00:03:22,970 Um, but we are kind of running slightly late 60 00:03:23,003 --> 00:03:25,706 so I'm gonna go and find my wife now. 61 00:03:25,739 --> 00:03:28,942 We need to hurry, though, 'cause we're running slightly late. 62 00:03:28,976 --> 00:03:31,979 Okay, well, I'm done. I'm just putting these out for them. 63 00:03:32,012 --> 00:03:33,747 CRAIG: We still gotta get everything in the car. 64 00:03:33,781 --> 00:03:36,584 -Hey, hon. -CRISELDA: Yeah. 65 00:03:36,617 --> 00:03:39,287 CRAIG: Maybe we should take this cross with us. 66 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:40,854 CRISELDA: Which one? 67 00:03:40,888 --> 00:03:42,623 CRAIG: This big one on the wall. 68 00:03:42,656 --> 00:03:43,957 Maybe give us a bit of protection. What do you reckon? 69 00:03:43,991 --> 00:03:46,760 CRISELDA: Any advice you wanna give me and Dad? 70 00:03:46,794 --> 00:03:49,263 Good luck and bring your rosary. 71 00:03:49,297 --> 00:03:51,765 -I do have. I already have it in my bag. -(LAUGHS) Yeah. 72 00:03:51,799 --> 00:03:53,033 CRISELDA: You think we'll be successful? 73 00:03:53,066 --> 00:03:54,268 -What do you think? -Yeah. 74 00:03:54,302 --> 00:03:57,305 Yeah, it's gonna be really good, all right? You be safe. 75 00:03:57,338 --> 00:03:59,840 There are gonna be ghosts, Mummy. 76 00:03:59,873 --> 00:04:01,909 -CRISELDA: Well, that's... -Real ghosts. 77 00:04:01,942 --> 00:04:04,745 CRISELDA: That's what we're trying to find out, really. 78 00:04:04,778 --> 00:04:07,381 But there's gonna be real ghosts. 79 00:04:07,415 --> 00:04:09,550 -What do you think? -Real ghosts. 80 00:04:09,583 --> 00:04:11,719 You think they'll come out? 81 00:04:11,752 --> 00:04:14,722 Would you be scared if you see a ghost? 82 00:04:14,755 --> 00:04:16,023 You won't? 83 00:04:17,891 --> 00:04:20,494 Because when I go to bed, 84 00:04:20,528 --> 00:04:24,365 I see friendly ghosts beside my bed. 85 00:04:24,398 --> 00:04:27,601 Do you? Do you still see them up to now? 86 00:04:27,635 --> 00:04:29,370 I thought that's only when you were little. 87 00:04:29,403 --> 00:04:31,739 -Witches. -What? 88 00:04:31,772 --> 00:04:33,641 -Witches? -But they're nice. 89 00:04:33,674 --> 00:04:35,409 You never told me about witches. 90 00:04:35,443 --> 00:04:37,044 -They're nice. -They're nice? 91 00:04:37,077 --> 00:04:38,579 But they're ghosts. 92 00:04:38,612 --> 00:04:40,781 Any advice that you'd give me? 93 00:04:40,814 --> 00:04:46,654 Ghosts that have big eyes might be friendly. 94 00:04:46,687 --> 00:04:50,057 All right. Are they normally friendly when they've got big eyes? 95 00:04:50,090 --> 00:04:51,825 My witches are. 96 00:04:51,859 --> 00:04:53,527 All right. 97 00:04:53,561 --> 00:04:56,630 But if they don't have big eyes, would they be friendly? 98 00:04:56,664 --> 00:04:57,698 I don't know. 99 00:04:57,731 --> 00:04:58,866 CRISELDA: All set to go. 100 00:04:58,899 --> 00:05:00,768 -Have you locked the backdoor? -Yep. 101 00:05:00,801 --> 00:05:03,571 Well, I got involved with this project. 102 00:05:03,604 --> 00:05:06,340 Um, obviously I knew... 103 00:05:06,374 --> 00:05:08,075 I knew Kevin and Mike, uh... 104 00:05:09,076 --> 00:05:10,878 Producers of the film, for a while now. 105 00:05:10,911 --> 00:05:15,048 They also knew that I'd had a previous experience myself 106 00:05:15,082 --> 00:05:16,750 with a ghost. 107 00:05:16,784 --> 00:05:18,752 Which was interesting with someone like me, 108 00:05:18,786 --> 00:05:21,422 because I have never 109 00:05:21,455 --> 00:05:24,558 previously been someone who's been that kind of, 110 00:05:24,592 --> 00:05:27,060 you know, person to believe in that kind of stuff. 111 00:05:27,094 --> 00:05:28,696 I'm not religious. I... 112 00:05:28,729 --> 00:05:30,030 I've never... Never have been. 113 00:05:30,063 --> 00:05:32,566 Never been christened from birth so... 114 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,636 You know, then I had an undeniable experience, 115 00:05:35,669 --> 00:05:37,638 that when you have it, you just can't deny, 116 00:05:37,671 --> 00:05:39,573 and Kevin knew this. 117 00:05:39,607 --> 00:05:41,141 So he asked me to come along 118 00:05:41,174 --> 00:05:42,610 and be involved, you know, 119 00:05:42,643 --> 00:05:46,947 with that obviously as an experience I've had in the past 120 00:05:46,980 --> 00:05:48,816 to maybe give some insight into things 121 00:05:48,849 --> 00:05:51,419 that we might see up at Clophill. 122 00:05:51,452 --> 00:05:54,021 KEVIN: I first heard about Clophill Church about 20 years ago. 123 00:05:54,054 --> 00:05:57,558 All I knew back then was that it was a ruined church on top of a hill, 124 00:05:57,591 --> 00:05:58,992 had a history of witchcraft 125 00:05:59,026 --> 00:06:02,630 and allegedly had faced the wrong way towards Satan. 126 00:06:02,663 --> 00:06:04,632 There's the legend of Sophia's ghost, 127 00:06:04,665 --> 00:06:06,099 all kinds of things. 128 00:06:06,133 --> 00:06:07,835 A guy I knew from the local university at Bedford, 129 00:06:07,868 --> 00:06:10,003 who I'd known for years, contacted me. 130 00:06:10,037 --> 00:06:11,739 He sent me a video of an investigation 131 00:06:11,772 --> 00:06:13,874 that he carried out for Clophill Church. 132 00:06:13,907 --> 00:06:15,375 Basically, a group of them had spend the night there 133 00:06:15,409 --> 00:06:18,045 and set up cameras in different areas of the churchyard 134 00:06:18,078 --> 00:06:19,747 and inside the church. 135 00:06:19,780 --> 00:06:21,815 And the night went without incident. 136 00:06:21,849 --> 00:06:23,551 But then, the next day they were searching through the tapes, 137 00:06:23,584 --> 00:06:24,985 they noticed certain things on the tapes 138 00:06:25,018 --> 00:06:26,153 they couldn't explain. 139 00:07:07,728 --> 00:07:09,162 Well, they were pretty creeped out by this. 140 00:07:09,196 --> 00:07:10,731 So knowing that I was a local filmmaker, 141 00:07:10,764 --> 00:07:13,233 they thought it might be something I'd be interested in. 142 00:07:13,266 --> 00:07:14,568 So they contacted me, 143 00:07:14,602 --> 00:07:17,204 and that was kind of the catalyst for the project. 144 00:07:17,237 --> 00:07:18,972 (KNOCKING ON DOOR) 145 00:07:22,209 --> 00:07:24,111 -KEVIN: Hey! Morning. -Hello. Morning, Kev. 146 00:07:24,144 --> 00:07:25,879 -KEVIN: Hey, Mike. -Hey, Kevin, my man, how's it going? 147 00:07:25,913 --> 00:07:27,080 -Good to see you. -Good. 148 00:07:27,114 --> 00:07:28,215 MICHAEL: It's very hot and... 149 00:07:28,248 --> 00:07:29,950 -KEVIN: Really hot in my house. -Every time we shoot... 150 00:07:29,983 --> 00:07:31,785 Every time we shoot a film, this happens. 151 00:07:31,819 --> 00:07:34,187 -It's been too long. -Yes, it has. 152 00:07:34,221 --> 00:07:36,156 KEVIN: Hey, Cris, how you doing? 153 00:07:36,189 --> 00:07:39,092 CRISELDA ON PHONE: I'm good, thank you. Craig's just driving. 154 00:07:39,126 --> 00:07:41,962 KEVIN: Yeah, if you park in the hotel car park, 155 00:07:41,995 --> 00:07:43,230 we're gonna be downstairs in the bar, 156 00:07:43,263 --> 00:07:45,165 just checking Mark and Mike out now. 157 00:07:45,198 --> 00:07:46,867 KEVIN: Very patriotic shot with you guys 158 00:07:46,900 --> 00:07:48,836 with the Union Jack. 159 00:07:48,869 --> 00:07:50,137 My name is Mark Jeavons. 160 00:07:50,170 --> 00:07:54,274 I'm 29 and I'm a filmmaker from Wolverhampton. 161 00:07:54,307 --> 00:07:56,009 MICHAEL: Do you believe in the paranormal? 162 00:07:56,043 --> 00:07:59,547 Um, I don't believe per se 163 00:07:59,580 --> 00:08:01,114 because I've never... 164 00:08:01,148 --> 00:08:04,151 I've never experienced or seen ghosts. 165 00:08:04,184 --> 00:08:07,988 But, I'm... I've got a very open mind 166 00:08:08,021 --> 00:08:09,957 about paranormal and such subjects, 167 00:08:09,990 --> 00:08:12,760 and I'm totally open to, uh... 168 00:08:12,793 --> 00:08:15,529 I think with so much evidence over the years, and so many stories, 169 00:08:15,563 --> 00:08:17,631 that there's definitely something to it. 170 00:08:17,665 --> 00:08:19,767 CRISELDA: Are you filming me? 171 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,135 -KEVIN: I'm filming you filming me, yes. -Yeah. 172 00:08:22,169 --> 00:08:23,370 KEVIN: We've got lots of cameras this weekend. 173 00:08:23,403 --> 00:08:25,739 CRISELDA: When they mentioned about the project 174 00:08:25,773 --> 00:08:28,842 and said it's about paranormal activity, 175 00:08:28,876 --> 00:08:31,779 and, uh, the role is going to be a presenting role, 176 00:08:31,812 --> 00:08:33,246 also bearing in mind 177 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,049 that Craig and I have had, 178 00:08:36,083 --> 00:08:38,786 you know, experiences with the paranormal before... 179 00:08:38,819 --> 00:08:42,155 MICHAEL: And there's the man himself. Pull over. There he is. 180 00:08:42,189 --> 00:08:44,992 Looking very serious as well. 181 00:08:45,025 --> 00:08:46,894 KEVIN: There's only gonna be a small crew for the film. 182 00:08:46,927 --> 00:08:47,861 And given the subject matter, 183 00:08:47,895 --> 00:08:50,030 they had to be people that Mike and I trusted. 184 00:08:50,063 --> 00:08:51,765 We've worked with Craig and Cris before, 185 00:08:51,799 --> 00:08:54,034 and knowing that they shared a paranormal experience, 186 00:08:54,067 --> 00:08:56,303 thought they're ideal candidates for the project. 187 00:08:56,336 --> 00:08:58,639 Rob was very cynical about the whole subject, 188 00:08:58,672 --> 00:09:01,308 but Mark, Mike and myself were much more open-minded. 189 00:09:01,341 --> 00:09:03,043 So it was a good mix of opinions. 190 00:09:03,076 --> 00:09:04,912 CRAIG: It's an amazing location. 191 00:09:04,945 --> 00:09:07,080 MARK J.: Yeah? CRAIG: It really is. 192 00:09:07,114 --> 00:09:09,116 You know, seeing photos of it is one thing, 193 00:09:09,149 --> 00:09:10,751 but just being there... 194 00:09:10,784 --> 00:09:14,855 It... It's just so rare to find something like that. 195 00:09:14,888 --> 00:09:17,791 Um, it's so kind of isolated. 196 00:09:17,825 --> 00:09:21,161 Whoo! I can really feel that sun on my skin. 197 00:09:21,194 --> 00:09:22,162 Scorching hot. 198 00:09:22,195 --> 00:09:23,964 KEVIN: Well, I hope it's gonna be feeling spirits 199 00:09:23,997 --> 00:09:26,667 as well as the sun this weekend. (LAUGHS) 200 00:09:26,700 --> 00:09:28,035 (MIMICKING EERIE CRY) 201 00:09:28,068 --> 00:09:29,937 Hopefully, the spirits like the heat. 202 00:09:29,970 --> 00:09:31,972 CRISELDA: Yeah. CRAIG: Okay, let's take a wander. 203 00:09:32,005 --> 00:09:34,875 The church itself, there's always been rumors. 204 00:09:34,908 --> 00:09:37,344 The rumor is that the vicar, 205 00:09:37,377 --> 00:09:41,281 he put the rumor around that there was a ghost in the church. 206 00:09:41,314 --> 00:09:43,283 Because he made this rumor, 207 00:09:43,316 --> 00:09:46,353 everybody went out with their black magic, the whole lot. 208 00:09:46,386 --> 00:09:50,257 And from that day to this, it's always had that stigma 209 00:09:50,290 --> 00:09:52,359 that it's haunted, black magic. 210 00:09:52,392 --> 00:09:53,326 All sorts of things. 211 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,863 ALEX: I remember Reverend Barker 212 00:09:55,896 --> 00:10:00,367 as being a very congenial, nice person, 213 00:10:01,268 --> 00:10:03,103 but did like a drink. 214 00:10:03,136 --> 00:10:05,172 The vicar... He was a vicar, 215 00:10:05,205 --> 00:10:08,375 and he used to take these bones round to the pub 216 00:10:08,408 --> 00:10:11,979 so he could get his beer free. 217 00:10:12,012 --> 00:10:13,881 No, it was true. 218 00:10:13,914 --> 00:10:15,115 -CRISELDA: Was it true? -Yeah, yeah, it was true, yes. 219 00:10:15,148 --> 00:10:16,984 CRISELDA: Okay. KEVIN: What bones were they? 220 00:10:17,017 --> 00:10:18,185 Human bones. 221 00:10:18,218 --> 00:10:21,088 What had been dug up in the black magic at the church. 222 00:10:21,121 --> 00:10:24,792 CRISELDA: Do you actually know who did this black magic up there? 223 00:10:24,825 --> 00:10:25,926 -No. No. -No? 224 00:10:25,959 --> 00:10:27,194 Or where they come from? 225 00:10:27,227 --> 00:10:29,196 No, I didn't know nothing at all about them. 226 00:10:29,229 --> 00:10:30,397 I used to come in the night 227 00:10:30,430 --> 00:10:32,332 and they were gone, you know. 228 00:10:32,365 --> 00:10:33,834 CRAIG: Do you walk up there at night? 229 00:10:33,867 --> 00:10:36,003 -STAN: Do I? No. No. -(CRISELDA LAUGHS) 230 00:10:36,036 --> 00:10:39,072 No. There's nobody up there to haunt you at night anyways. 231 00:10:39,106 --> 00:10:40,640 Dead people don't hurt nobody. 232 00:10:42,309 --> 00:10:45,946 CRAIG: Yeah, the people in Clophill were interesting. 233 00:10:45,979 --> 00:10:47,981 A lot of them have lived there for a very long time, 234 00:10:48,015 --> 00:10:51,418 so you get the impression that they surely must know, 235 00:10:51,451 --> 00:10:53,687 you know, a lot of the stuff that's gone on there. 236 00:10:53,721 --> 00:10:54,855 We got the impression 237 00:10:54,888 --> 00:10:58,091 that they weren't too happy to talk about it, 238 00:10:58,125 --> 00:11:00,327 whether it's to get people away from Clophill, 239 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,697 to, sort of, get rid of the interest in the area 240 00:11:03,731 --> 00:11:05,032 or if it's something else. 241 00:11:05,065 --> 00:11:06,466 If I lived in Clophill, 242 00:11:06,499 --> 00:11:09,469 I'd like its reputation to just disappear. 243 00:11:09,502 --> 00:11:11,038 But the fact it is haunted, 244 00:11:11,071 --> 00:11:13,340 it's almost impossible to investigate. 245 00:11:13,373 --> 00:11:15,208 I found it almost impossible to go up there 246 00:11:15,242 --> 00:11:17,277 without loads of people turning up. 247 00:11:17,310 --> 00:11:18,445 (SCREAMS) 248 00:11:18,478 --> 00:11:19,612 (LAUGHS) 249 00:11:19,646 --> 00:11:21,949 They'd all turned up there to scare themselves. 250 00:11:21,982 --> 00:11:25,685 Now, I'm sure that the locals aren't particularly happy with that. 251 00:11:26,419 --> 00:11:28,188 Very, very quiet site. 252 00:11:28,221 --> 00:11:29,990 And literally out in the middle of nowhere. 253 00:11:30,023 --> 00:11:30,891 There are no houses around. 254 00:11:30,924 --> 00:11:33,326 There's a farm in the distance, 255 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,929 and there's Clophill itself down the bottom of the valley. 256 00:11:35,963 --> 00:11:38,799 We are talking probably about a kilometer from the nearest habitations. 257 00:11:38,832 --> 00:11:40,400 A very quiet site. 258 00:11:40,433 --> 00:11:42,169 But it has a reputation, 259 00:11:42,202 --> 00:11:44,137 a very bad reputation. 260 00:11:44,171 --> 00:11:46,907 Basically, it was the site of a black mass, 261 00:11:46,940 --> 00:11:49,276 people worshiping Satan, or worshiping evil. 262 00:11:49,309 --> 00:11:51,945 CRISELDA: When we first got to the site, 263 00:11:51,979 --> 00:11:54,214 during the daytime, we were setting up 264 00:11:54,247 --> 00:11:56,283 and just looking around the area, really. 265 00:11:56,316 --> 00:11:58,485 CRAIG: It was very peaceful, 266 00:11:58,518 --> 00:12:00,821 beautiful, in fact, scenery, looking around. 267 00:12:00,854 --> 00:12:04,457 But we walked into the church itself. 268 00:12:04,491 --> 00:12:07,861 CRISELDA: You know, just looking at the walls. 269 00:12:07,895 --> 00:12:09,830 Loads of writings on the walls. 270 00:12:09,863 --> 00:12:13,767 And at the corner we just saw this little... 271 00:12:13,801 --> 00:12:16,770 -It's a stick. -CRISELDA: No, it is a leg. 272 00:12:16,804 --> 00:12:19,406 CRISELDA: That is gross. 273 00:12:19,439 --> 00:12:22,109 CRISELDA: No, it's bigger. CRAIG: Oh, God! 274 00:12:22,142 --> 00:12:23,844 CRISELDA: It's bigger. 275 00:12:23,877 --> 00:12:26,046 There were, like, big teeth. 276 00:12:26,079 --> 00:12:28,348 -And we were, like, "Wow! -(CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS) 277 00:12:28,381 --> 00:12:29,917 "That's gross. What is it? 278 00:12:29,950 --> 00:12:33,153 "Is it human teeth or is it animal teeth?" 279 00:12:33,186 --> 00:12:35,288 'Cause it was hard to tell. 280 00:12:37,290 --> 00:12:40,060 CRISELDA: Shit! Underneath the rock. 281 00:12:40,093 --> 00:12:41,328 -KEVIN: What's that? -It's a horn. 282 00:12:41,361 --> 00:12:43,530 At the back of the grass, against the wall, 283 00:12:44,497 --> 00:12:45,966 was this horn. 284 00:12:45,999 --> 00:12:47,534 CRAIG: Hearing the stories from the past 285 00:12:47,567 --> 00:12:49,569 of all the black magic that's gone on up there, 286 00:12:49,602 --> 00:12:51,004 you know, these items 287 00:12:51,038 --> 00:12:53,941 are often linked to things like that. 288 00:12:53,974 --> 00:12:56,877 It was very bizarre and very kind of unsettling 289 00:12:56,910 --> 00:12:59,847 for the beginning of the shoot, you know. 290 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:01,448 Paranormal or not, 291 00:13:01,481 --> 00:13:05,853 there's things that go on up there that people aren't aware of. 292 00:13:05,886 --> 00:13:08,521 Yeah, someone's had a little fire up here. 293 00:13:10,457 --> 00:13:12,092 This is precisely the area, 294 00:13:12,125 --> 00:13:16,163 I think, where the ritual that was found in '63 was. 295 00:13:16,196 --> 00:13:17,931 It was in the middle of the church 296 00:13:17,965 --> 00:13:19,332 -in the nave, which is where we are. -CRISELDA: Oh, yeah. 297 00:13:19,366 --> 00:13:22,135 WILLIAM: In March, 1963, one of the graves 298 00:13:22,169 --> 00:13:24,204 of one of the people who were buried there, 299 00:13:24,237 --> 00:13:27,074 near the doorway, was dug up. Jenny Humberstone. 300 00:13:27,107 --> 00:13:28,942 She was the wife of an apothecary. 301 00:13:28,976 --> 00:13:32,112 And her grave had been dug up and they'd found her bones in a circle 302 00:13:32,145 --> 00:13:34,181 inside the nave of the church, 303 00:13:34,214 --> 00:13:36,516 her skull impaled on a spike 304 00:13:36,549 --> 00:13:39,452 and cockerel feathers placed in the circle. 305 00:13:39,486 --> 00:13:43,056 DUNCAN: Yeah, back in 1963, March, 306 00:13:43,090 --> 00:13:45,125 Calvin Smith, my friend, and I, 307 00:13:45,158 --> 00:13:49,196 we took a bike ride from Luton to Clophill, 308 00:13:49,229 --> 00:13:54,034 and made our way up to St. Mary's Church, where I'm standing now. 309 00:13:54,067 --> 00:13:57,070 When I first saw the church, I thought, 310 00:13:57,104 --> 00:13:59,907 "What a lovely old ruin." 311 00:13:59,940 --> 00:14:01,241 You know, it was such a peaceful place. 312 00:14:01,274 --> 00:14:05,145 There was tranquility about it. 313 00:14:05,178 --> 00:14:09,082 And it wasn't till we found the skull and the bones 314 00:14:09,116 --> 00:14:10,550 that things changed, 315 00:14:10,583 --> 00:14:12,953 where it was a peaceful start to the day 316 00:14:12,986 --> 00:14:14,421 ended up in turmoil. 317 00:14:14,454 --> 00:14:17,057 ALEX: The Jenny Humberstone grave. 318 00:14:17,090 --> 00:14:20,127 Yes, the bones were taken from that, 319 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,130 laid out in ceremonial order 320 00:14:23,163 --> 00:14:24,431 for a black mass. 321 00:14:24,464 --> 00:14:26,967 When Calvin and I looked through the archway, 322 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,970 the skull was on an iron spike. 323 00:14:31,071 --> 00:14:33,373 And the bones were scattered around 324 00:14:33,406 --> 00:14:35,943 in a circle around the spike. 325 00:14:35,976 --> 00:14:37,978 There were black magic symbols 326 00:14:38,011 --> 00:14:40,113 or crosses on the wall. 327 00:14:40,147 --> 00:14:42,582 There'd been a fire. 328 00:14:42,615 --> 00:14:45,552 I'm sure there must have been watchdogs 329 00:14:45,585 --> 00:14:48,388 to watch out for anybody approaching the church. 330 00:14:48,421 --> 00:14:49,689 I picked the skull up, 331 00:14:49,722 --> 00:14:52,292 and Calvin, he picked the bones up. 332 00:14:53,726 --> 00:14:55,528 And we was walking around with them 333 00:14:55,562 --> 00:14:58,365 after the initial shock of finding them. 334 00:14:58,398 --> 00:15:01,301 And a couple came along and they sort of told us off, 335 00:15:01,334 --> 00:15:04,938 and they went away and informed the vicar. 336 00:15:06,039 --> 00:15:08,408 When we went back down the lane, 337 00:15:08,441 --> 00:15:11,478 there was the vicar and some policemen. 338 00:15:11,511 --> 00:15:14,214 And we was brought back up here 339 00:15:14,247 --> 00:15:15,682 and explained what happened. 340 00:15:15,715 --> 00:15:18,151 They tried to blame Calvin and I 341 00:15:19,552 --> 00:15:21,021 for desecrating the tomb, 342 00:15:21,054 --> 00:15:24,091 but it took five policemen and the vicar 343 00:15:24,124 --> 00:15:25,625 to put the tomb cover back on. 344 00:15:25,658 --> 00:15:27,660 So two little boys couldn't have done that. 345 00:15:27,694 --> 00:15:29,296 ALEX: Well, there are other stories 346 00:15:29,329 --> 00:15:31,564 about Reverend Barker having a lot of bad luck. 347 00:15:31,598 --> 00:15:32,832 And one of them 348 00:15:32,865 --> 00:15:37,070 was his daughter, who was run over in Shefford. 349 00:15:37,104 --> 00:15:42,042 I don't think his mental state was very good after that 350 00:15:42,075 --> 00:15:45,145 or the black magic that happened here. 351 00:15:45,178 --> 00:15:49,549 I think possibly the drinking was a crutch 352 00:15:49,582 --> 00:15:52,652 because of what had happened. 353 00:15:52,685 --> 00:15:55,355 This thing did worry him so much 354 00:15:55,388 --> 00:15:58,591 that he eventually gave up the church 355 00:15:58,625 --> 00:16:01,294 because of the black magic. 356 00:16:06,099 --> 00:16:09,702 SUNNY: We were here roughly 2006, 2007. 357 00:16:09,736 --> 00:16:12,072 Uh, we came here towards midnight. 358 00:16:12,105 --> 00:16:14,141 -Nobody else was around. -Yeah. 359 00:16:14,174 --> 00:16:16,043 We came around this corner over here, 360 00:16:16,076 --> 00:16:18,211 and that's really as far as we got, 361 00:16:18,245 --> 00:16:20,747 where we seen a white figure 362 00:16:20,780 --> 00:16:22,282 over some tombstones. 363 00:16:22,315 --> 00:16:25,452 The figure was there. We kind of looked at each other. 364 00:16:25,485 --> 00:16:28,555 And when we turned back, the figure was a lot closer. 365 00:16:28,588 --> 00:16:31,224 CRISELDA: What did this figure look like? 366 00:16:31,258 --> 00:16:33,493 SUNNY: It was roughly 5 foot tall. 367 00:16:33,526 --> 00:16:35,495 If you can imagine it pitch-black right now, 368 00:16:35,528 --> 00:16:37,364 and you seen a figure 5 foot tall, 369 00:16:37,397 --> 00:16:38,565 you can see, like, a head shape and the shoulders 370 00:16:38,598 --> 00:16:41,401 and everything else is just kind of going down. 371 00:16:41,434 --> 00:16:44,404 And it looks like, you know, it's just standing there. 372 00:16:44,437 --> 00:16:47,374 And it just took, like, you know, eight to 10 steps forward 373 00:16:47,407 --> 00:16:49,742 -in a matter of seconds. -You know, literally seconds, yeah. 374 00:16:49,776 --> 00:16:52,379 Yeah. It just looked like, you know, it was gonna come towards us, 375 00:16:52,412 --> 00:16:53,880 at that point. 376 00:16:53,913 --> 00:16:56,049 I'm a bit of a coward so I didn't even bother looking 377 00:16:56,083 --> 00:16:58,685 where these guys were. I just... Straight down. 378 00:16:58,718 --> 00:17:00,320 I didn't really wanna come here today. 379 00:17:00,353 --> 00:17:02,322 But I'm here now, but... 380 00:17:03,790 --> 00:17:06,359 -This is not a very nice place in my opinion. -Mmm-hmm. 381 00:17:06,393 --> 00:17:09,229 -This is exactly the spot... -Yeah. This is... This is the area... 382 00:17:09,262 --> 00:17:11,164 -...where we were standing. -...where you saw, right? 383 00:17:11,198 --> 00:17:13,300 SUNNY: 'Cause it was all dark, you could just notice something white. 384 00:17:13,333 --> 00:17:15,102 CRISELDA: Yeah. 385 00:17:15,135 --> 00:17:17,537 It wasn't there when we first took that corner. 386 00:17:17,570 --> 00:17:18,571 Yeah. 387 00:17:18,605 --> 00:17:20,773 It was when we got to that arch. 388 00:17:20,807 --> 00:17:22,842 Then we looked forward and thought, "Hang on. 389 00:17:22,875 --> 00:17:24,010 -"There's something a little bit dodgy there." -Yeah. 390 00:17:24,043 --> 00:17:27,680 And when we sort of looked at each other and looked back, 391 00:17:27,714 --> 00:17:28,781 this thing was a lot closer. 392 00:17:28,815 --> 00:17:30,483 Thing is, when you tell people about these things, 393 00:17:30,517 --> 00:17:32,352 they don't tend to believe you, do they? 394 00:17:32,385 --> 00:17:34,154 When you've seen something like this for yourself, 395 00:17:34,187 --> 00:17:35,588 you tend to take it a lot more seriously. 396 00:17:35,622 --> 00:17:37,590 -Yeah. -Which is why I'm here today, I suppose. 397 00:17:37,624 --> 00:17:39,292 These are the kind of things you are expecting to do 398 00:17:39,326 --> 00:17:40,527 later on tonight then, are they? 399 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,530 CRISELDA: Well, we don't know what to expect, 400 00:17:43,563 --> 00:17:45,832 so we want to do a little investigation, 401 00:17:45,865 --> 00:17:48,201 -and see what we find out, really. -Yeah, yeah. 402 00:17:48,235 --> 00:17:51,871 You know, if it's true or not or... It'd be good maybe. 403 00:17:51,904 --> 00:17:54,307 I definitely think you should concentrate your cameras on this area. 404 00:17:54,341 --> 00:17:55,375 -Yeah, you would, you would. -In this area? 405 00:17:55,408 --> 00:17:56,443 This... This area here. 406 00:17:56,476 --> 00:17:57,544 -Is it okay if we just move over there? -Yeah. 407 00:17:57,577 --> 00:17:59,246 'Cause I don't feel too comfortable standing here. 408 00:17:59,279 --> 00:18:00,780 No, sure, sure, sure. I understand. 409 00:18:00,813 --> 00:18:03,783 Sunny... Actually, that's a really interesting story that Sunny told us. 410 00:18:03,816 --> 00:18:05,152 And he was so scared. 411 00:18:05,185 --> 00:18:06,753 He genuinely did not wanna go 412 00:18:06,786 --> 00:18:09,289 around the back of that church to the corner 413 00:18:09,322 --> 00:18:11,191 where he said he saw that white figure. 414 00:18:11,224 --> 00:18:15,762 MARK K.: Usually, when you have group hysteria, 415 00:18:15,795 --> 00:18:17,897 it takes one person to trigger it 416 00:18:17,930 --> 00:18:20,600 and the others to believe they also experienced it. 417 00:18:20,633 --> 00:18:24,837 But when you have two people who simultaneously experienced 418 00:18:24,871 --> 00:18:28,741 a shocking apparition coming that close to them 419 00:18:28,775 --> 00:18:30,743 in the space of a split second, 420 00:18:30,777 --> 00:18:34,181 and then feeling the need to flee and scarper, 421 00:18:34,214 --> 00:18:35,915 that can't be a group hallucination 422 00:18:35,948 --> 00:18:38,551 because it's too immediate for that. 423 00:18:43,490 --> 00:18:46,193 KEVIN: So, Craig, do you want to tell us what we're up to tonight? 424 00:18:46,226 --> 00:18:49,629 Yeah. Well, we're just kind of doing an initial scout out, really. 425 00:18:49,662 --> 00:18:52,465 Just to get a general vibe of who comes up here 426 00:18:52,499 --> 00:18:55,335 and, you know, what happens over the course of the night, really. 427 00:19:04,677 --> 00:19:06,145 CRISELDA: Don't go too far. 428 00:19:25,498 --> 00:19:26,733 (SCREAM IN THE DISTANCE) 429 00:19:29,236 --> 00:19:31,404 MAN 1: I don't think it's... (SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY) 430 00:19:32,705 --> 00:19:35,408 MAN 2: Oi, Josh. (SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY) 431 00:19:35,442 --> 00:19:37,444 (INDISTINCT CONVERSATION) 432 00:19:39,512 --> 00:19:40,680 (LAUGHING) 433 00:19:40,713 --> 00:19:43,683 MAN 2: Oi, there's a huge light down there! 434 00:19:44,651 --> 00:19:46,286 (VEHICLE ENGINE REVVING) 435 00:19:59,899 --> 00:20:01,601 (LEAVES RUSTLING) 436 00:20:06,773 --> 00:20:09,709 -(WHISPERING) You heard that, right? -KEVIN: Yeah, I heard it. 437 00:20:09,742 --> 00:20:11,478 Yeah. 438 00:20:11,511 --> 00:20:13,746 What's down that way, Kev? 439 00:20:13,780 --> 00:20:15,815 KEVIN: Goes all the way down to Chicksands Wood, I think. 440 00:20:56,356 --> 00:20:58,391 (WHISPERS) Whoa, whoa, Kev. 441 00:20:59,492 --> 00:21:01,561 There is someone down here. 442 00:21:04,364 --> 00:21:07,634 KEVIN: Are you sure? I can't see anything. 443 00:21:07,667 --> 00:21:10,670 CRAIG: Yeah. I'm sure there was someone there. 444 00:21:12,939 --> 00:21:16,275 Let's just go back. It's getting late now anyway. 445 00:21:18,745 --> 00:21:20,480 CRAIG: Yeah, okay. 446 00:21:36,463 --> 00:21:37,564 CRAIG: So... 447 00:21:39,432 --> 00:21:41,734 Try to introduce where we are. 448 00:21:41,768 --> 00:21:45,738 We're, um, currently at the bed and breakfast. 449 00:21:45,772 --> 00:21:48,508 It's called House Beautiful. 450 00:21:48,541 --> 00:21:52,545 And as you can see, it's beautiful. (LAUGHS) 451 00:21:53,045 --> 00:21:54,080 CRAIG: Wow! 452 00:21:54,113 --> 00:21:56,583 (TV PLAYING INDISTINCTLY) 453 00:21:58,851 --> 00:22:00,687 CRAIG: Who's down here? 454 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:01,888 (GASPS EXAGGERATEDLY) 455 00:22:03,022 --> 00:22:05,425 Uh... And it's Mike. 456 00:22:05,458 --> 00:22:07,760 -Heya. Trying to kill mosquitoes. -How you doing? 457 00:22:07,794 --> 00:22:09,896 Yeah, we've just been trying to get daddy longlegs. (LAUGHS) 458 00:22:09,929 --> 00:22:11,964 Yeah, I've caught... I think I got that one. 459 00:22:11,998 --> 00:22:14,100 CRAIG: Right. Well, we're gonna see you in the morning. 460 00:22:14,133 --> 00:22:16,936 -All right, Craig, good night. -Good night. 461 00:22:16,969 --> 00:22:19,739 -See you in the morning. -See you later. 462 00:22:28,014 --> 00:22:30,116 Okay. Yeah. 463 00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:32,585 So, here we are, day two. 464 00:22:32,619 --> 00:22:34,654 I've got my rosary here. 465 00:22:34,687 --> 00:22:38,491 So, are you scared... Are you scared of just simply being alone in the dark, 466 00:22:38,525 --> 00:22:41,461 or are you scared of things actually being there? 467 00:22:41,494 --> 00:22:43,563 Both, really. I mean, I hate 468 00:22:43,596 --> 00:22:46,866 sort of, being outdoors in the dark without a light. 469 00:22:46,899 --> 00:22:51,170 Anything that would maybe touch your leg, 470 00:22:51,203 --> 00:22:53,773 or even if it's just the wind, 471 00:22:53,806 --> 00:22:57,677 because of what the area is known for, you know. 472 00:22:57,710 --> 00:23:02,014 Obviously, maybe your imagination might start playing up as well. 473 00:23:02,048 --> 00:23:05,785 And, you know, I've got quite a vivid imagination, 474 00:23:05,818 --> 00:23:07,854 to say the least. (LAUGHS) 475 00:23:08,721 --> 00:23:10,590 KEVIN: I've got Chaucer. 476 00:23:10,623 --> 00:23:12,959 -CRAIG: It is Sophie. -Sophia. 477 00:23:12,992 --> 00:23:16,963 CRAIG: "In loving memory of Sophia, 478 00:23:16,996 --> 00:23:21,167 "the beloved wife of Bennet Stimson." 479 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,570 Stim... Yeah, Stimson. 480 00:23:23,603 --> 00:23:28,641 Uh... "Who died June 28, 1915, aged 70." 481 00:23:28,675 --> 00:23:29,876 KEVIN: Good start. 482 00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:32,211 CRAIG: Well, I mean, we'll obviously have a look around later 483 00:23:32,244 --> 00:23:34,981 and see if there are any other Sophies or Sophias, 484 00:23:35,014 --> 00:23:37,116 -just in... I mean, we don't know for sure... -Yeah, it could be. 485 00:23:37,149 --> 00:23:38,918 -...that that's the one, but... -Could be. 486 00:23:38,951 --> 00:23:40,152 That's quite interesting 487 00:23:40,186 --> 00:23:44,023 that it's just under this tree on its own. 488 00:23:45,625 --> 00:23:46,893 KEVIN: Ooh, well... 489 00:23:46,926 --> 00:23:48,928 Right on the top, Sophia, right across the... 490 00:23:48,961 --> 00:23:50,863 WILLIAM: There has allegedly been a ghost 491 00:23:50,897 --> 00:23:52,164 that has been seen there. 492 00:23:52,198 --> 00:23:54,100 A couple were visiting the church. 493 00:23:54,133 --> 00:23:56,803 And they took a picture through one of the windows 494 00:23:56,836 --> 00:23:58,204 in the side of the nave, 495 00:23:58,237 --> 00:24:00,473 and they saw a misty-looking figure, 496 00:24:00,507 --> 00:24:02,775 a white figure standing in the window. 497 00:24:02,809 --> 00:24:05,678 This figure was actually standing about a meter off the ground. 498 00:24:05,712 --> 00:24:08,014 The locals have nicknamed it Sophie. 499 00:24:08,047 --> 00:24:10,082 Sophie's ghost. 500 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,529 With this site, the things we'll be doing tonight 501 00:24:22,562 --> 00:24:24,096 are completely different to anything else 502 00:24:24,130 --> 00:24:25,998 we've done at this site before 503 00:24:26,032 --> 00:24:27,900 because we never really had a chance to investigate it. 504 00:24:27,934 --> 00:24:29,536 KEVIN: Yeah, the second night, Bill and his team 505 00:24:29,569 --> 00:24:31,203 from the Luton Paranormal Society joined us for the investigation. 506 00:24:31,237 --> 00:24:34,240 They experienced something unusual the last time they were up there, 507 00:24:34,273 --> 00:24:36,809 but had been disturbed by a load of teenagers. 508 00:24:36,843 --> 00:24:38,578 So this time, with our security team in place, 509 00:24:38,611 --> 00:24:40,513 it was a good opportunity to work together, 510 00:24:40,547 --> 00:24:42,749 maybe test out a few experiments and see what we could find. 511 00:24:43,616 --> 00:24:45,518 STEPHANIE: All so off. 512 00:24:45,552 --> 00:24:48,020 ROB: Something "Sophia." STEPHANIE: "Samuel Stimson. 513 00:24:48,054 --> 00:24:49,989 "Died November the 5th." 514 00:24:50,022 --> 00:24:51,524 Have you got any paper? 515 00:24:51,558 --> 00:24:53,192 ROB: There's another Sophia, isn't there? 516 00:24:53,225 --> 00:24:54,160 Yeah, that's right. You could do a rubbing, couldn't you? 517 00:24:56,596 --> 00:24:58,297 STEPHANIE: Well, that's one word, whatever that is. 518 00:24:58,330 --> 00:25:00,533 "Above." "Above." "Wife of above." 519 00:25:00,567 --> 00:25:02,301 -"Sophia, the wife of above." -"The wife of above." 520 00:25:02,334 --> 00:25:06,005 Arthur and Samuel Stimson 521 00:25:06,038 --> 00:25:07,306 were likely to be brothers 522 00:25:07,339 --> 00:25:09,275 'cause they're both on two separate gravestones, 523 00:25:09,308 --> 00:25:11,143 -and died at roughly the same time. -MICHAEL: Mmm-hmm. 524 00:25:11,177 --> 00:25:13,012 But they've both got wives called Sophia. 525 00:25:13,045 --> 00:25:14,714 Oh! So there's two of them. 526 00:25:14,747 --> 00:25:15,915 -Two Sophias. -Mmm-hmm. 527 00:25:15,948 --> 00:25:17,083 -(SOFT SQUEALING) -Would it take too long 528 00:25:17,116 --> 00:25:18,551 for you to power down your camera 529 00:25:18,585 --> 00:25:20,620 -and power it back up again? -Why? 530 00:25:20,653 --> 00:25:22,855 'Cause I've got this squealing that's going off. 531 00:25:22,889 --> 00:25:24,657 It's like a sort of high-pitched sort of... 532 00:25:24,691 --> 00:25:27,293 -All right. -Getting higher and higher in pitch. 533 00:25:27,326 --> 00:25:29,596 It's off now. 534 00:25:29,629 --> 00:25:31,297 -There's someone with a chainsaw... -There's... Yes. 535 00:25:31,330 --> 00:25:34,200 No, it's not that. Flick it back on again. 536 00:25:36,703 --> 00:25:38,204 Okay, all right. 537 00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:41,641 That's not bad. 538 00:25:41,674 --> 00:25:43,643 MICHAEL: Surely, you can get closer than that, Rob. 539 00:25:43,676 --> 00:25:46,846 Andy, Bill and Steph were over this area, 540 00:25:46,879 --> 00:25:48,180 behind the church, over this side. 541 00:25:48,214 --> 00:25:49,849 And Dee and myself were just talking 542 00:25:49,882 --> 00:25:51,784 and I saw someone behind Bill and Steph. 543 00:25:51,818 --> 00:25:54,120 ANDREW: We were taking the EMF readings, 544 00:25:54,153 --> 00:25:56,723 'cause we had some high EMF activity going on. 545 00:25:56,756 --> 00:25:58,591 And that's when Sarah saw us and thought 546 00:25:58,625 --> 00:25:59,792 there was somebody else over there. 547 00:25:59,826 --> 00:26:01,127 STEPHANIE: We didn't know that. 548 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,131 And I sensed something over where Andy had been so... 549 00:26:05,164 --> 00:26:07,767 And then that was backed up with the EMF readings. 550 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,236 Well, we were about here at the time. 551 00:26:10,269 --> 00:26:12,338 Um, probably near those bushes, 552 00:26:12,371 --> 00:26:14,774 -in between the bushes and the graves, wasn't it? -ANDREW: Yeah. 553 00:26:14,807 --> 00:26:16,008 STEPHANIE: It was just there. 554 00:26:16,042 --> 00:26:18,945 CRAIG: And this all led to obviously thinking about 555 00:26:18,978 --> 00:26:20,980 whether this place is actually haunted or not. 556 00:26:21,013 --> 00:26:22,782 And to looking at the places 557 00:26:22,815 --> 00:26:26,953 where people had sighted or felt things going on. 558 00:26:26,986 --> 00:26:29,756 And it all seemed to be outside of the church. 559 00:26:29,789 --> 00:26:32,224 It turned out to be by these gravestones, 560 00:26:32,258 --> 00:26:34,727 which, prior to us finding them, 561 00:26:34,761 --> 00:26:38,030 no one seemed to be aware that they were even there. 562 00:26:38,064 --> 00:26:39,899 KEVIN: Day two. Hang on. It's day two. 563 00:26:39,932 --> 00:26:41,367 We're driving up to Clophill at night. 564 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,836 MICHAEL: We'll see the place in a minute. 565 00:26:43,870 --> 00:26:46,072 KEVIN: Nice shot here of Cris driving. MARK J.: Is this video diary? 566 00:26:46,105 --> 00:26:50,743 KEVIN: Yeah, absolutely. CRISELDA: It's a really bumpy road, isn't it? 567 00:26:50,777 --> 00:26:53,045 KEVIN: Just coming up to the church now. 568 00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:56,015 Nice clear sky. The stars are out. 569 00:26:56,048 --> 00:26:57,984 (CRISELDA CHUCKLES) 570 00:26:58,017 --> 00:26:59,986 MICHAEL: Yeah, looks like it could be a full moon. It's very bright. 571 00:27:00,019 --> 00:27:02,054 It's good that Gerry's sorted himself out. 572 00:27:02,088 --> 00:27:04,991 I'm gonna have the police to tell him where to go, though. 573 00:27:05,024 --> 00:27:06,225 MARK J.: What, literally? MICHAEL: Yeah. 574 00:27:06,258 --> 00:27:07,760 (ALL LAUGHING) 575 00:27:09,128 --> 00:27:12,331 My name is Gerry McGovern. I work as a CPO. 576 00:27:12,364 --> 00:27:15,134 Client Protection Officer in the security world. 577 00:27:15,167 --> 00:27:17,169 Also, I do security for celebrities. 578 00:27:17,203 --> 00:27:20,172 I do private filming location work. 579 00:27:20,206 --> 00:27:23,009 I've done various bits of security in the 25 years 580 00:27:23,042 --> 00:27:24,376 that I've been doing it. 581 00:27:24,410 --> 00:27:26,212 Married to Dana. We've got three children, 582 00:27:26,245 --> 00:27:27,847 two girls and a boy. 583 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,215 Basically, it was this call from my cousin. 584 00:27:29,248 --> 00:27:30,750 Richard rang me and told me 585 00:27:30,783 --> 00:27:33,285 that he'd spoke to Michael Bartlett. 586 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:36,355 And our first night was out in Clophill. 587 00:27:36,388 --> 00:27:38,124 KEVIN: We had security in place. We had to. 588 00:27:38,157 --> 00:27:39,491 Because you get so many kids going up there, 589 00:27:39,525 --> 00:27:42,895 it just makes it impossible to carry out an investigation. 590 00:27:42,929 --> 00:27:44,296 So Gerry and his team are positioned 591 00:27:44,330 --> 00:27:46,132 at all the entrances to the churchyard. 592 00:27:46,165 --> 00:27:49,936 So, basically, nobody could get in or out. 593 00:27:49,969 --> 00:27:52,004 KEVIN: So you're setting up your stills cameras there? 594 00:27:52,038 --> 00:27:54,040 ANDREW: They're homemade DIY equipment. 595 00:27:54,073 --> 00:27:56,375 Your camera, your DVD recorder. 596 00:27:56,408 --> 00:27:59,912 You've also got a sound recorder on there for EVP. 597 00:27:59,946 --> 00:28:01,848 Investigation tools, that sort of thing. 598 00:28:01,881 --> 00:28:03,315 WILLIAM: Where do you start and where do you end? 599 00:28:03,349 --> 00:28:05,184 You can take as much as you like 600 00:28:05,217 --> 00:28:06,753 or as little as you like. 601 00:28:06,786 --> 00:28:09,221 I've known people who just take themselves. 602 00:28:09,255 --> 00:28:10,422 Because they say 603 00:28:10,456 --> 00:28:13,292 that the best detective for a ghost is yourself. 604 00:28:13,325 --> 00:28:16,162 You can see it, you can hear it, you can feel it. 605 00:28:16,195 --> 00:28:17,363 I tend to take every single bit 606 00:28:17,396 --> 00:28:19,465 of electronic equipment you can imagine. 607 00:28:19,498 --> 00:28:21,868 Um, night vision cameras, 608 00:28:21,901 --> 00:28:23,235 digital still cameras, 609 00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:24,971 sound recorders, 610 00:28:25,004 --> 00:28:26,272 um, EMF meters 611 00:28:26,305 --> 00:28:29,075 'cause there is a theory that if a ghost manifests, 612 00:28:29,108 --> 00:28:30,877 the local magnetic fields change 613 00:28:30,910 --> 00:28:32,511 and you can detect that change. 614 00:28:32,544 --> 00:28:34,480 And, hopefully, might give an idea 615 00:28:34,513 --> 00:28:36,348 that a ghost might be appearing. 616 00:28:36,382 --> 00:28:39,251 STEPHANIE: If there's EMF, that will light up. KEVIN: Okay. 617 00:28:39,285 --> 00:28:41,153 Another thing that we should mention 618 00:28:41,187 --> 00:28:45,091 -is that you should get a feel for where you are. -Mmm-hmm. 619 00:28:45,124 --> 00:28:47,927 Because there's a lot of psychological factors at work. 620 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,228 When you come to a place that's got 621 00:28:49,261 --> 00:28:51,831 a lot of mythology attached to it, 622 00:28:51,864 --> 00:28:53,232 you know, you got a full moon... 623 00:28:53,265 --> 00:28:54,901 -...you got, you know, blah, blah, blah. -KEVIN: Yeah. 624 00:28:54,934 --> 00:28:56,035 If it were raining, 625 00:28:56,068 --> 00:28:58,237 -...you know, and thunder storms were up. -Yeah, yeah. 626 00:28:58,270 --> 00:28:59,638 We got a large infrared source. 627 00:28:59,671 --> 00:29:03,876 So he's looking in towards the bit which is supposed to be where 628 00:29:03,910 --> 00:29:06,112 Sophie's ghost is. 629 00:29:06,145 --> 00:29:09,048 So I suggest we try and keep away from that area. 630 00:29:09,081 --> 00:29:10,382 No, Sarah and I were just... 631 00:29:10,416 --> 00:29:12,018 All right, everyone was having a break, 632 00:29:12,051 --> 00:29:13,986 and we walked around the corner. 633 00:29:14,020 --> 00:29:15,855 And we saw the security man 634 00:29:15,888 --> 00:29:17,857 and we stopped dead 635 00:29:17,890 --> 00:29:20,960 because we could hear somebody moving around, 636 00:29:20,993 --> 00:29:22,528 or something moving around in the... 637 00:29:22,561 --> 00:29:25,464 In the undergrowth, and so we got closer, 638 00:29:25,497 --> 00:29:26,866 couldn't see anything. 639 00:29:26,899 --> 00:29:29,135 Took him right the way out to the road, 640 00:29:29,168 --> 00:29:31,137 investigated around there. Absolutely nobody. 641 00:29:31,170 --> 00:29:33,072 No animals, nothing. 642 00:29:33,105 --> 00:29:35,474 And all three of us heard it for about... 643 00:29:35,507 --> 00:29:37,076 He said it was going on for about five minutes 644 00:29:37,109 --> 00:29:39,411 before Sarah and I said anything. 645 00:29:39,445 --> 00:29:42,915 It sounds like someone heavy. It doesn't sound like it's an animal. 646 00:29:42,949 --> 00:29:44,483 It's too... Too noisy. 647 00:29:44,516 --> 00:29:47,954 It sounds like someone putting their foot down onto the... 648 00:29:47,987 --> 00:29:49,188 Onto the leaves or something. 649 00:29:49,221 --> 00:29:50,522 You know that crackling noise? 650 00:29:50,556 --> 00:29:53,559 -This is where I'm hearing it. -This exact grave? 651 00:29:53,592 --> 00:29:54,493 GERRY: I didn't know it was that grave. 652 00:29:54,526 --> 00:29:56,128 But this is where I'm hearing the noise, 653 00:29:56,162 --> 00:29:58,230 from these bushes and this tree. 654 00:29:58,264 --> 00:30:01,267 This is where it sounds like someone's walking around. 655 00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:04,303 Let's spend two or three minutes. 656 00:30:04,336 --> 00:30:06,805 So, why not see what happens? 657 00:30:18,017 --> 00:30:21,020 We might send a camera person over. 658 00:30:21,053 --> 00:30:23,455 Um... When we do the... 659 00:30:23,489 --> 00:30:26,859 When we do any activity there, stuff happens on the outside. 660 00:30:26,893 --> 00:30:29,161 -CRAIG: Yeah. It's a good idea. -(SNAPPING) 661 00:30:29,195 --> 00:30:30,462 (WHISPERING) There. 662 00:30:39,605 --> 00:30:43,309 WILLIAM: All right. Well, let's keep our ears out for that again if it happens. 663 00:30:43,342 --> 00:30:45,511 -Thanks, Gerry. Cheers. -No, no problem. 664 00:30:45,544 --> 00:30:48,214 If a couple of you stand over that side, and a couple stand over this side... 665 00:30:48,247 --> 00:30:50,616 The reason being is what's been seen 666 00:30:50,649 --> 00:30:53,085 has been walking down this way, 667 00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:55,187 heading in that direction. 668 00:30:55,221 --> 00:30:58,991 So if anything comes through there and you, say, pick something up, 669 00:30:59,025 --> 00:31:00,626 if you do, let us know. 670 00:31:00,659 --> 00:31:02,494 Don't just keep your mouth shut. 671 00:31:02,528 --> 00:31:05,664 So if you feel something... Say you suddenly feel a cold shiver 672 00:31:05,697 --> 00:31:08,600 or a raging headache or anything like that, just say. 673 00:31:08,634 --> 00:31:11,237 Because then we may feel something 674 00:31:11,270 --> 00:31:12,571 and you might feel it down there later, 675 00:31:12,604 --> 00:31:14,373 as if something's gone through. 676 00:31:14,406 --> 00:31:16,442 (SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY) 677 00:31:18,544 --> 00:31:21,147 It just got colder. 678 00:31:21,180 --> 00:31:22,514 -Freezing cold hands. -WOMAN: Sorry. 679 00:31:22,548 --> 00:31:26,285 -Oh, you're awfully warm. -I am. 680 00:31:26,318 --> 00:31:30,522 Is there anybody here who would like to communicate with us? 681 00:31:30,556 --> 00:31:33,625 If there are any spirits present with us now, 682 00:31:33,659 --> 00:31:35,661 who's willing to communicate with us, 683 00:31:35,694 --> 00:31:38,197 then we ask you now to give us some sort of sign. 684 00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:40,566 On the floor you'll see a green light. 685 00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:44,636 That's affected by magnetic fields. Try to move that light. 686 00:31:44,670 --> 00:31:47,006 There's two sound recorders on the floor. 687 00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:50,209 Try to say something into those if you can. 688 00:31:50,242 --> 00:31:54,013 WOMAN: There's a figure been seen walking down this path. 689 00:31:54,046 --> 00:31:56,983 Was that you? Can you come and tell us, who you were? 690 00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:02,288 Can you come and walk through this circle? 691 00:32:02,321 --> 00:32:03,355 (LEAVES RUSTLING) 692 00:32:03,389 --> 00:32:05,357 -Got a rustling noise. -I know. 693 00:32:07,159 --> 00:32:08,594 WILLIAM: Down there. 694 00:32:08,627 --> 00:32:10,596 WILLIAM: There was a click down there. STEPHANIE: It was down there. 695 00:32:12,198 --> 00:32:13,499 It was right behind... 696 00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:19,605 WILLIAM: Just had a cold shiver. 697 00:32:19,638 --> 00:32:21,073 STEPHANIE: Yeah, just felt a breeze. 698 00:32:21,107 --> 00:32:24,476 Straight down my back. I'll just have a quick check around the back. 699 00:32:28,547 --> 00:32:32,551 STEPHANIE: Is that Bill? WOMAN: Is that Bill still behind? 700 00:32:32,584 --> 00:32:34,653 STEPHANIE: There was definite movement then. 701 00:32:36,722 --> 00:32:38,590 I think... 702 00:32:38,624 --> 00:32:40,626 I think I hear Bill coming. 703 00:32:40,659 --> 00:32:42,028 Do you know where Bill is? 704 00:32:42,061 --> 00:32:43,329 KEVIN: Bill's down there. WOMAN: Yeah. 705 00:32:43,362 --> 00:32:45,064 No way. I heard that. 706 00:32:45,097 --> 00:32:46,498 WOMAN: Did you hear that? STEPHANIE: Did you hear that? 707 00:32:46,532 --> 00:32:47,433 I did, yes. 708 00:32:47,466 --> 00:32:48,634 STEPHANIE: Listen, listen. 709 00:32:52,338 --> 00:32:53,472 Hello? 710 00:32:58,310 --> 00:33:00,212 ROB: That is creepy. 711 00:33:00,246 --> 00:33:02,181 That was definitely footsteps. 712 00:33:02,214 --> 00:33:03,615 STEPHANIE: Hello? ANDREW: Somebody going to have a look? 713 00:33:03,649 --> 00:33:05,651 WOMAN 1: Yeah. WOMAN 2: Craig's gone to look. 714 00:33:12,058 --> 00:33:14,393 KEVIN: There it is. 715 00:33:14,426 --> 00:33:16,128 Again. 716 00:33:17,529 --> 00:33:18,597 (TWIG SNAPPING) 717 00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:21,100 -Fuck! -MICHAEL: What? 718 00:33:21,133 --> 00:33:23,269 KEVIN: Oh, my God. MICHAEL: What's up? 719 00:33:23,302 --> 00:33:28,374 KEVIN: I just... I was walking in towards the other, um... 720 00:33:28,407 --> 00:33:32,278 Sophia's grave, just to kind of point the camera... 721 00:33:32,311 --> 00:33:35,514 MICHAEL: I don't know if that was a trick of my eyes or not. It may well have been. 722 00:33:35,547 --> 00:33:38,250 -KEVIN: Did you see something? -I just saw something go (WHOOSES) past me, 723 00:33:38,284 --> 00:33:40,386 but I'm pretty sure it was a trick of the light. 724 00:33:40,419 --> 00:33:43,522 KEVIN: I was just stepping in towards that stone. 725 00:33:43,555 --> 00:33:47,093 I was kind of halfway in and... 726 00:33:47,126 --> 00:33:49,428 I mean, it could have just been something in the tree above me, 727 00:33:49,461 --> 00:33:51,463 but something just cracked, 728 00:33:51,497 --> 00:33:54,400 as I stepped in as if... As if, you know, 729 00:33:54,433 --> 00:33:56,302 I was walking towards something I shouldn't. 730 00:33:56,335 --> 00:33:59,205 What we're about to use now is a thing called the ghost box. 731 00:33:59,238 --> 00:34:02,708 All the ghost box is, is a modified radio, 732 00:34:02,741 --> 00:34:07,346 and what it's been modified is so that when you press the scan button, 733 00:34:07,379 --> 00:34:10,282 normally the scan, it just goes through frequencies 734 00:34:10,316 --> 00:34:12,551 and locks on to a frequency and stops. 735 00:34:12,584 --> 00:34:15,121 This actually continuously scans. 736 00:34:15,154 --> 00:34:17,089 What you do is you ask it questions 737 00:34:17,123 --> 00:34:20,392 and every now and again you get an answer, which is just... 738 00:34:20,426 --> 00:34:22,861 It's taking snippets from all the different channels 739 00:34:22,894 --> 00:34:26,598 and you just occasionally hear an answer which corresponds to the question you asked. 740 00:34:26,632 --> 00:34:29,301 And it's remarkable how often that occurs. 741 00:34:29,335 --> 00:34:31,170 In some respects, this works the same way 742 00:34:31,203 --> 00:34:33,172 as doing Ouija and things like that. 743 00:34:33,205 --> 00:34:36,842 -It's a case of calling out and looking for a response. -MICHAEL: Yeah. 744 00:34:40,512 --> 00:34:42,348 (ELECTRONIC WHIRRING) 745 00:34:44,850 --> 00:34:48,787 Is there anybody here you would like to give a message to? 746 00:34:48,820 --> 00:34:51,623 If so, please tell us that person's name. 747 00:34:51,657 --> 00:34:53,792 (RHYTHMIC TAPPING) 748 00:34:56,795 --> 00:34:58,197 (EERIE VOICE SPEAKING) 749 00:34:59,231 --> 00:35:00,499 KEVIN: What did he say? 750 00:35:00,532 --> 00:35:02,901 WOMAN: I thought it said, "Stimson." 751 00:35:02,934 --> 00:35:04,403 Stimson. Stimson. 752 00:35:06,372 --> 00:35:08,474 What was your first name? 753 00:35:08,507 --> 00:35:10,108 (RHYTHMIC TAPPING CONTINUES) 754 00:35:10,842 --> 00:35:12,344 (DISTORTED VOICE) 755 00:35:12,378 --> 00:35:13,412 KEVIN: Sophia. 756 00:35:13,445 --> 00:35:15,714 I thought I heard use of the word. 757 00:35:15,747 --> 00:35:18,384 MARK J.: Use of the word. WOMAN: Yeah, use of the word. 758 00:35:18,417 --> 00:35:19,785 I heard Sophia. Yeah. 759 00:35:22,854 --> 00:35:25,357 "Change place." 760 00:35:25,391 --> 00:35:26,658 Yeah? Okay. 761 00:35:28,794 --> 00:35:31,630 WILLIAM: Go on, do as it says. Change place. 762 00:35:31,663 --> 00:35:36,202 Were you the dark shadow that Sarah saw 763 00:35:36,235 --> 00:35:38,537 in the northeast corner of the churchyard? 764 00:35:41,873 --> 00:35:42,874 -Yes. -Yes. 765 00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:49,215 Do you have anyone with you that wants to communicate with someone here? 766 00:35:49,248 --> 00:35:52,218 If so, please say their name. 767 00:35:52,251 --> 00:35:53,719 (SOPHIA SPEAKS DISTORTEDLY) 768 00:35:55,454 --> 00:35:57,356 WILLIAM: Said, "him," to me. 769 00:36:00,692 --> 00:36:02,561 Did you say Gerry? 770 00:36:03,562 --> 00:36:04,930 (DISTORTED VOICE) 771 00:36:04,963 --> 00:36:06,765 -MICHAEL: Yeah. -Yeah, Gerry. 772 00:36:12,404 --> 00:36:14,406 WILLIAM: Gerry is here with us now. 773 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,675 Do you have a message for Gerry? 774 00:36:16,708 --> 00:36:19,611 If so, let us know what that message is. 775 00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:25,451 -WILLIAM: "It's him." -Do you have a message for me? 776 00:36:39,731 --> 00:36:40,866 That's me. 777 00:36:40,899 --> 00:36:42,601 Did you just say Craig? 778 00:36:43,869 --> 00:36:44,936 STEPHANIE: "Of course." 779 00:36:44,970 --> 00:36:46,838 Did you want to talk to me? 780 00:36:49,441 --> 00:36:53,479 Do you have a clear message for me? 781 00:37:00,886 --> 00:37:03,289 CRAIG: Oh look, the EMF is going crazy. 782 00:37:07,859 --> 00:37:11,763 Something white has just gone past the edge of the hill just over there. 783 00:37:11,797 --> 00:37:14,400 It's quite large, going from left to right. 784 00:37:19,004 --> 00:37:20,872 WILLIAM: It was right there. CRAIG: What do you see, Bill? 785 00:37:20,906 --> 00:37:23,509 It was something... Can you see, it drops down 786 00:37:23,542 --> 00:37:25,644 and there's distinctly something white. 787 00:37:25,677 --> 00:37:29,415 Almost... At that distance it would have been about football size, 788 00:37:29,448 --> 00:37:30,616 going across that way. 789 00:37:30,649 --> 00:37:34,353 Oh, just seen a dark shadow go across that way now as well. 790 00:37:34,386 --> 00:37:37,656 (STAMMERS) That was a bit creepy actually. 791 00:37:37,689 --> 00:37:39,591 Traveled straight across my vision. 792 00:37:39,625 --> 00:37:42,294 Quite large, long and thin. 793 00:37:42,328 --> 00:37:44,830 I'd say probably about 794 00:37:44,863 --> 00:37:48,967 1.6, 1.7 meters high and traveled about 4 meters. 795 00:37:50,402 --> 00:37:52,804 It was leaning over, like an angle like that. 796 00:37:52,838 --> 00:37:54,640 So if you saw it moving very fast. 797 00:37:57,609 --> 00:38:00,512 (WHISPERING INDISTINCTLY) 798 00:38:37,916 --> 00:38:40,619 GERRY: Everything's there, focused in that area there. 799 00:38:40,652 --> 00:38:42,421 There's a lot of rustling, isn't there? 800 00:38:42,454 --> 00:38:44,623 When we were up here earlier there was a bit of rustling. 801 00:38:47,926 --> 00:38:51,963 No matter where you go, this is where it's happening. 802 00:38:51,997 --> 00:38:53,965 This is where I'm hearing all the noise here. 803 00:38:54,733 --> 00:38:55,934 It's this area. 804 00:38:58,637 --> 00:39:00,338 Absolutely weird. 805 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:02,508 Yeah. 806 00:39:18,490 --> 00:39:19,958 CRAIG: Argh! 807 00:39:19,991 --> 00:39:22,027 What the fuck? 808 00:39:23,695 --> 00:39:26,865 Jesus, what the fuck is that? 809 00:39:33,639 --> 00:39:35,073 KEVIN: Some kind of bird? 810 00:39:36,908 --> 00:39:38,644 That's bird heads. 811 00:39:58,930 --> 00:40:01,500 What about Gerry? The security guy. 812 00:40:01,533 --> 00:40:02,834 -Yeah. -CRISELDA: Good old Gerry. 813 00:40:02,868 --> 00:40:05,070 He called me and Mark over and said, "I've been hearing 814 00:40:05,103 --> 00:40:07,706 "like sort of panting and rustling." 815 00:40:07,739 --> 00:40:12,544 He took me about five paces to the left and he pointed into the bushes 816 00:40:12,578 --> 00:40:16,882 and literally underneath his hand that he was pointing was the broken headstone. 817 00:40:16,915 --> 00:40:19,184 And I'm thinking to myself, "Do you know?" 818 00:40:19,217 --> 00:40:21,787 CRISELDA: Well, no one told him. 819 00:40:21,820 --> 00:40:24,790 And he didn't know the name of the person anyway. 820 00:40:24,823 --> 00:40:27,959 He said he heard a panting as well, didn't he, like a dog? 821 00:40:27,993 --> 00:40:29,995 Yes, he said it was like a dog. 822 00:40:30,028 --> 00:40:33,999 He said... He said he literally expected a dog to come out from the, uh... 823 00:40:34,032 --> 00:40:35,601 You know, the pathway. 824 00:40:35,634 --> 00:40:37,202 MICHAEL: Yeah, so what do you think? 825 00:40:37,235 --> 00:40:39,070 Tomorrow night, we'll bring... 826 00:40:39,104 --> 00:40:43,642 MARK J.: I think it'd be really interesting if it was just us there. 827 00:40:43,675 --> 00:40:46,845 I think the more people that are there, 828 00:40:46,878 --> 00:40:49,815 the less likely it is that anything would happen. 829 00:40:49,848 --> 00:40:53,652 The less people there are to observe a phenomena, 830 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,890 the less people there are to 831 00:40:58,924 --> 00:41:01,827 conflict or doubt that something actually happened. 832 00:41:01,860 --> 00:41:04,796 It's usually with less people where, 833 00:41:04,830 --> 00:41:07,899 kind of, legends and rumors and these sort of stories are established. 834 00:41:07,933 --> 00:41:11,236 You should never hear of, you know, 835 00:41:11,269 --> 00:41:15,040 one particular sighting where a group of, you know, 836 00:41:15,073 --> 00:41:17,976 a dozen people or something saw, you know... 837 00:41:18,009 --> 00:41:20,679 A group of a dozen people were in the same sort of place 838 00:41:20,712 --> 00:41:23,815 and they saw or they heard or experienced something together. 839 00:41:23,849 --> 00:41:29,254 It's usually only, like, small groups, you know, one, two, sort of people. 840 00:41:29,287 --> 00:41:33,158 I think, you know, they've thrown everything at it, haven't they? 841 00:41:33,191 --> 00:41:35,126 -They've thrown all their tools at it tonight. -MARK J.: Yeah. 842 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,830 Just because we've got all these magic boxes and Ouija boards 843 00:41:38,864 --> 00:41:40,298 and all this kind of stuff, 844 00:41:40,331 --> 00:41:43,268 that we want to communicate with them, 845 00:41:43,301 --> 00:41:45,871 whatever they are, I'm not even saying they're dead, 846 00:41:45,904 --> 00:41:48,306 deceased people or whatever, but whatever they are, 847 00:41:48,339 --> 00:41:50,241 who said that those things are what... 848 00:41:50,275 --> 00:41:51,977 What bring spirits to us? 849 00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:54,245 Who said... Who said that? Who created them? 850 00:41:54,279 --> 00:41:56,281 Who's to say that that's what they want to use 851 00:41:56,314 --> 00:41:58,049 if that's what they are? 852 00:41:58,083 --> 00:42:00,752 So I don't believe that... That... That you can... 853 00:42:00,786 --> 00:42:05,557 I do not personally believe that you can communicate with anything that way. 854 00:42:05,591 --> 00:42:08,259 But I do believe that you can visually see things, 855 00:42:08,293 --> 00:42:11,697 'cause people have and I... I do believe that. 856 00:42:15,233 --> 00:42:18,069 CRISELDA: If this is the witness that we're interviewing today... 857 00:42:18,103 --> 00:42:21,940 -Yep, the witnesses of the 1970 satanic services. -...I would need the board. 858 00:42:21,973 --> 00:42:24,175 -Day three, by the way. -Final day. 859 00:42:24,209 --> 00:42:26,077 Just arrived in the morning at the church. 860 00:42:26,111 --> 00:42:27,746 Final day, hurrah! 861 00:42:27,779 --> 00:42:29,648 Quite relieved actually. 862 00:42:29,681 --> 00:42:32,851 Looking forward to a decent sleep tonight... Or not. 863 00:42:32,884 --> 00:42:35,086 -Let's call it The Final Day. -Final day. 864 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,756 -Here are Kevin and Mike... -Final day. 865 00:42:37,789 --> 00:42:39,925 ...already here with someone. 866 00:42:39,958 --> 00:42:41,059 KEVIN: This is Mick, everybody. 867 00:42:41,092 --> 00:42:42,193 ROB: Hi, Mick. MICK: Good morning. 868 00:42:42,227 --> 00:42:43,962 -Pleased to meet you. Rob. -And you. 869 00:42:43,995 --> 00:42:48,199 CRAIG: Mick Peters, he arrived up there before we did, to be interviewed. 870 00:42:48,233 --> 00:42:51,903 He's one of the witnesses of the black magic from the '70s. 871 00:42:51,937 --> 00:42:54,806 -I mean, 35 years is a long time. -Yeah. 872 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,374 So I thought, "Well, I'll just wander up." 873 00:42:56,407 --> 00:43:00,979 And I didn't come up this track way. I came across the footpath, 874 00:43:01,012 --> 00:43:04,049 just took some photos, walked in and there's a... 875 00:43:04,082 --> 00:43:08,620 I think it's a small lizard, small snake-like creature 876 00:43:09,054 --> 00:43:10,956 in an "S" shape. 877 00:43:10,989 --> 00:43:13,859 Well, the weird thing is, letter "S." Do you not make the connection? 878 00:43:14,860 --> 00:43:16,094 CRISELDA: Ew. 879 00:43:17,729 --> 00:43:19,998 MARK J.: Should we get that "S"? 880 00:43:20,031 --> 00:43:21,633 CRISELDA: It looks like a snake. 881 00:43:21,667 --> 00:43:24,903 MICK: The slow worm is a form of snake. 882 00:43:24,936 --> 00:43:28,640 ROB: But what, that's like directly, like... 883 00:43:28,674 --> 00:43:31,076 KEVIN: I mean, you know. ROB: ...symmetrical with the whole... 884 00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:33,044 ...directly in the middle. 885 00:43:33,078 --> 00:43:35,714 MARK J.: I mean, let's not get carried away. 886 00:43:35,747 --> 00:43:36,882 (SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY) 887 00:43:37,916 --> 00:43:39,718 Who knows how it got there, 888 00:43:39,751 --> 00:43:43,354 but it's definitely interesting. 889 00:43:43,388 --> 00:43:45,390 Intriguing. 890 00:43:45,423 --> 00:43:48,727 CRAIG: Again, it's actually pretty much where we found the horn and it was in the... 891 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,829 Under the tower, in the shape of an "S." 892 00:43:50,862 --> 00:43:54,032 Our instant thought went straight to Sophie's ghost 893 00:43:54,065 --> 00:43:55,967 and the gravestones of Sophia. 894 00:43:56,001 --> 00:43:59,871 Coincidence or not, it was, you know, very intriguing. 895 00:43:59,905 --> 00:44:02,273 Did a bird drop the worm, 896 00:44:02,307 --> 00:44:04,676 but in the perfect shape of an "S"? 897 00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:08,780 I came up here with my brother and some other friends in 1975 898 00:44:08,814 --> 00:44:11,049 on Halloween, All Hallow's Eve, 899 00:44:11,082 --> 00:44:14,820 'cause we were young, enthusiastic, we'd got an interest in the occult. 900 00:44:14,853 --> 00:44:17,155 We'd heard about this church at Clophill, 901 00:44:17,188 --> 00:44:19,190 so we thought it was a natural place to come to. 902 00:44:19,224 --> 00:44:21,092 As we got into the churchyard, 903 00:44:21,126 --> 00:44:23,428 we could see light coming from the church. 904 00:44:23,461 --> 00:44:26,031 I don't remember hearing anything at that point. 905 00:44:26,064 --> 00:44:27,966 The three of us carried on along there. 906 00:44:27,999 --> 00:44:30,702 We could observe people through the broken, 907 00:44:30,736 --> 00:44:32,403 side of the church. 908 00:44:32,437 --> 00:44:33,939 They were certainly people in there. 909 00:44:33,972 --> 00:44:38,076 There was a sound of, we can only describe as chanting. 910 00:44:38,109 --> 00:44:40,779 I wouldn't have said it was rhythmic Gregorian chant, 911 00:44:40,812 --> 00:44:42,881 but there was chanting, there was noise there. 912 00:44:42,914 --> 00:44:45,884 And the church was lit by what appeared to be fat candles 913 00:44:45,917 --> 00:44:48,019 or something similar. 914 00:44:48,053 --> 00:44:51,056 We then carried on to the end of the churchyard, 915 00:44:51,089 --> 00:44:53,992 crawling between the stones, and it was at that point 916 00:44:54,025 --> 00:44:57,195 we observed there was definitely two adult females 917 00:44:57,228 --> 00:44:59,064 who were in a state of undress. 918 00:44:59,097 --> 00:45:02,433 We also then saw other people in there. 919 00:45:02,467 --> 00:45:04,069 I thought they were dressed in purple, 920 00:45:04,102 --> 00:45:07,939 but they were attired in something similar to monks' habits. 921 00:45:07,973 --> 00:45:10,942 Just while we were laying in the grass between the headstones, 922 00:45:10,976 --> 00:45:12,277 there was a loud bang. 923 00:45:12,310 --> 00:45:14,946 I seem to recall it may have been a shotgun. 924 00:45:14,980 --> 00:45:17,983 But at that point we decided someone's shooting at us to scare us off 925 00:45:18,016 --> 00:45:22,988 and we duly took to our heels and we ran back along here 926 00:45:23,021 --> 00:45:24,589 and back down the lane. 927 00:45:24,622 --> 00:45:28,994 When we got to the end of the lane where it joins the tarmac road, 928 00:45:29,027 --> 00:45:31,830 there was a police van and some police cars there, 929 00:45:31,863 --> 00:45:35,266 and we were treated just as young people would be today, 930 00:45:35,300 --> 00:45:37,803 "Stop causing trouble. Go home." 931 00:45:37,836 --> 00:45:40,972 And even though we were quite forceful with them, saying, 932 00:45:41,006 --> 00:45:44,509 "You got to go up there. There's something happening. There's a black mass," 933 00:45:44,542 --> 00:45:48,013 they almost rubbished the idea and told us to clear off. 934 00:45:48,046 --> 00:45:52,483 And it was almost like they didn't believe us, or, as we thought afterwards, 935 00:45:52,517 --> 00:45:54,519 they knew something was going on. 936 00:45:54,552 --> 00:45:56,187 They were either covering for it 937 00:45:56,221 --> 00:45:59,390 or maybe even the police themselves were scared of it. 938 00:45:59,424 --> 00:46:02,127 I came back the next day, basically because I was still 939 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,029 inquisitive about what had happened. 940 00:46:04,062 --> 00:46:07,398 Parked the car in a different place, walked into the churchyard, 941 00:46:07,432 --> 00:46:11,136 observed numerous headstones had been damaged and pushed over, 942 00:46:11,169 --> 00:46:13,404 the church had got burnt-out candles. 943 00:46:13,438 --> 00:46:16,141 It was generally in a state of disarray 944 00:46:16,174 --> 00:46:18,910 and there was bones on the floor 945 00:46:18,944 --> 00:46:23,148 which, I'm not a pathologist, but I recognized a vertebra, certainly. 946 00:46:23,181 --> 00:46:26,451 On the far side of the wall, right hand side of the church wall, 947 00:46:27,185 --> 00:46:28,553 was two words. 948 00:46:28,586 --> 00:46:30,989 I think they were written in blood. I can't be certain. 949 00:46:31,022 --> 00:46:35,093 And it said, "Ne vide," which to me meant nothing. 950 00:46:35,126 --> 00:46:39,164 I later found out, I was told, that it is Latin for no future. 951 00:46:39,197 --> 00:46:42,233 So something had definitely taken place here, 952 00:46:42,267 --> 00:46:44,202 relative to the occult. 953 00:46:45,336 --> 00:46:48,173 And I'm still open-minded on it. 954 00:46:48,206 --> 00:46:52,878 I don't know whether there is such a thing as, you know, satanic masses, 955 00:46:52,911 --> 00:46:55,313 but certainly from what I've witnessed, I believe there is. 956 00:46:55,346 --> 00:46:57,448 MICHAEL: Kevin was interviewing him, 957 00:46:57,482 --> 00:47:00,518 the rest of the team were kind of with him inside the church and I was up, 958 00:47:00,551 --> 00:47:02,921 on the top looking down. 959 00:47:02,954 --> 00:47:05,456 And I noticed, while he was talking, I saw these three scratch marks 960 00:47:05,490 --> 00:47:07,292 down his arm. 961 00:47:07,325 --> 00:47:10,161 'Cause a common paranormal thing is three long scratches... 962 00:47:10,195 --> 00:47:11,562 MICK: Scratches, yeah. 963 00:47:11,596 --> 00:47:15,166 It's kind of a demonic attack. It means the mocking of the trinity 964 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,469 and tried to make sure that obviously we captured that on camera 965 00:47:18,503 --> 00:47:22,607 because that was pretty interesting and he had no idea how it could have happened. 966 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,376 MARK K.: Well, the guises and forms of demons, 967 00:47:25,410 --> 00:47:30,448 really, I suppose, depend on the context in which they manifest themselves. 968 00:47:30,481 --> 00:47:34,552 We got to be careful not to get mixed up between ghosts and demons here. 969 00:47:34,585 --> 00:47:37,989 Ghosts are the spirits of dead human beings, 970 00:47:38,023 --> 00:47:40,658 spirits that haven't got through to the other side. 971 00:47:40,691 --> 00:47:42,994 But demons have never been human. 972 00:47:43,028 --> 00:47:47,498 Demons are the spirits or souls that have fallen from grace 973 00:47:47,532 --> 00:47:51,136 and have never, ever lived in the form of a human body. 974 00:47:51,169 --> 00:47:54,039 And they're dying, they're itching to get into our world. 975 00:47:58,143 --> 00:47:59,644 CRAIG: We're in the middle of the woods, 976 00:47:59,677 --> 00:48:03,448 somewhere around the vicinity of the Clophill Church. 977 00:48:03,481 --> 00:48:05,316 We have to try and find the church, 978 00:48:05,350 --> 00:48:07,986 but I don't know if you can hear on the microphone, 979 00:48:08,019 --> 00:48:10,989 but there's really loud drums banging, which is very bizarre. 980 00:48:11,022 --> 00:48:12,323 (RHYTHMIC BANGING) 981 00:48:12,357 --> 00:48:15,493 So we're just heading towards it, but I... 982 00:48:15,526 --> 00:48:17,328 ROB: Sounds like a train. 983 00:48:19,664 --> 00:48:24,069 That's definitely drums now. It's getting louder. 984 00:48:24,102 --> 00:48:27,205 I don't know if there's some kind of, um, 985 00:48:28,706 --> 00:48:30,508 ritual of some kind going on. 986 00:48:32,577 --> 00:48:33,578 (DRUMS BEATING LOUDLY) 987 00:48:36,347 --> 00:48:38,916 -Certainly don't want to be seen by them. -No. 988 00:48:40,185 --> 00:48:41,919 -I can smell fumes. There's a fire. -Yeah. 989 00:48:42,420 --> 00:48:43,688 (SNIFFING) 990 00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:56,067 Let's cut around here and then see if we can catch them 991 00:48:56,101 --> 00:48:58,536 from an angle that they can't see us. 992 00:48:59,437 --> 00:49:01,339 (DRUMS BEATING LOUDER) 993 00:49:20,325 --> 00:49:22,727 In the background behind us, I don't know if you can hear the drums still, 994 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,329 but we can hear them in the distance. 995 00:49:24,362 --> 00:49:27,465 We're not going to disturb them because I... I don't know what they're up to. 996 00:49:27,498 --> 00:49:32,003 But we'll carry on now up this path. 997 00:49:32,037 --> 00:49:34,105 I think the church is somewhere in the, kind of, 998 00:49:34,139 --> 00:49:35,640 left hand side of where we're heading, 999 00:49:35,673 --> 00:49:37,975 but we'll try and make our way through. 1000 00:49:41,812 --> 00:49:43,681 I see gravestones. 1001 00:49:43,714 --> 00:49:45,283 ROB: Oh, man, this is spooky. 1002 00:49:45,316 --> 00:49:46,617 These gravestones over here, can you see them? 1003 00:49:46,651 --> 00:49:48,019 ROB: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Put your torch. 1004 00:49:48,053 --> 00:49:50,188 Oh, there we go. 1005 00:49:50,221 --> 00:49:52,023 -See that? -Yeah. 1006 00:49:52,057 --> 00:49:54,625 CRAIG: Oh, rabbit. Rabbit, see the rabbit? 1007 00:49:54,659 --> 00:49:56,127 ROB: Yeah, I got it. I got it. I got it. 1008 00:49:56,161 --> 00:49:58,196 CRAIG: I think that was a ghost rabbit. 1009 00:49:58,229 --> 00:50:00,765 The gravestones were over here so it's got to be... 1010 00:50:00,798 --> 00:50:02,433 Got to go on the left somewhere. 1011 00:50:02,467 --> 00:50:03,468 ROB: God. 1012 00:50:05,636 --> 00:50:07,138 Oh, wow. 1013 00:50:07,172 --> 00:50:08,673 All right, we're going to the back of the church. 1014 00:50:10,175 --> 00:50:11,609 ROB: (WHISPERING) Oh, wow. 1015 00:50:34,665 --> 00:50:38,836 Um... Yeah, I mean, basically... (CLEARS THROAT) 1016 00:50:38,869 --> 00:50:42,707 We were in Spain, me and Cris, in a villa. 1017 00:50:42,740 --> 00:50:45,676 It was an old villa. We were with our two kids. 1018 00:50:45,710 --> 00:50:48,779 It's probably been a couple of years ago now so she was probably... 1019 00:50:48,813 --> 00:50:52,683 The youngest was probably four, eldest about 10. 1020 00:50:52,717 --> 00:50:57,822 And the little one, you know, like kids do often, she'll come into our room, 1021 00:50:57,855 --> 00:51:00,158 come down the side of the bed to me 1022 00:51:00,191 --> 00:51:04,229 and then, you know, she might want a glass of water 1023 00:51:04,262 --> 00:51:06,631 or you know, she's had a nightmare or something like that. 1024 00:51:06,664 --> 00:51:08,299 So this night, we're all in bed asleep, 1025 00:51:08,333 --> 00:51:09,834 it's probably about 2:00 in the morning. 1026 00:51:09,867 --> 00:51:13,271 All of a sudden, Caitlyn basically comes in the room. 1027 00:51:13,304 --> 00:51:17,242 So she then starts to walk down the side of the bed towards me, 1028 00:51:17,275 --> 00:51:20,311 right down the side until she gets right next to me. 1029 00:51:20,345 --> 00:51:22,580 And it's at that point that naturally, you know, as I do, 1030 00:51:22,613 --> 00:51:24,682 I put my hand out to, sort of, hold her hand, 1031 00:51:24,715 --> 00:51:27,785 grab on to her or whatever, and say, "What does she want?" 1032 00:51:27,818 --> 00:51:30,255 But as I put my hand out towards her, 1033 00:51:30,288 --> 00:51:33,424 she stood literally as close as you are to me now, 1034 00:51:33,458 --> 00:51:35,293 I put my hand out, 1035 00:51:35,326 --> 00:51:36,761 it just goes straight through her. 1036 00:51:36,794 --> 00:51:39,797 She disappeared. It wasn't Caitlyn. 1037 00:51:39,830 --> 00:51:43,534 She just vanished right in front of my eyes, literally. 1038 00:51:43,568 --> 00:51:45,236 Um, and I just lie there, 1039 00:51:46,637 --> 00:51:49,374 for probably a couple of minutes just thinking, 1040 00:51:49,407 --> 00:51:53,578 "What the fuck happened there?" 1041 00:51:53,611 --> 00:51:56,147 And then I got up, 1042 00:51:56,181 --> 00:51:58,183 walked out of the room, 1043 00:51:58,216 --> 00:51:59,917 into where their room is, 1044 00:51:59,950 --> 00:52:01,752 they're in a totally separate room, 1045 00:52:01,786 --> 00:52:03,621 just to check. 1046 00:52:03,654 --> 00:52:06,357 I mean, it's stupid because she vanished in front of my eyes, 1047 00:52:06,391 --> 00:52:07,392 but I just wanted to check 1048 00:52:07,425 --> 00:52:10,328 that Caitlyn and Cassie were in bed. 1049 00:52:10,361 --> 00:52:12,630 And I opened their door and there they are, fast asleep, 1050 00:52:12,663 --> 00:52:15,600 snoring, literally laid out, flat on the bed. 1051 00:52:15,633 --> 00:52:19,804 Um... So I don't know who it was, but it wasn't Caitlyn. 1052 00:52:19,837 --> 00:52:22,173 WILLIAM: People think of ghosts as being like 1053 00:52:22,207 --> 00:52:24,642 billowous things you can see through, 1054 00:52:24,675 --> 00:52:25,643 but that's not the case. 1055 00:52:25,676 --> 00:52:27,878 Most ghosts that people see are actually solid. 1056 00:52:27,912 --> 00:52:29,747 And if you saw a ghost in the street, 1057 00:52:29,780 --> 00:52:31,916 you would think it was a person, not a ghost. 1058 00:52:31,949 --> 00:52:33,518 You can actually go up and touch it 1059 00:52:33,551 --> 00:52:35,253 and you would think it was there. 1060 00:52:35,286 --> 00:52:36,921 It was only when it disappeared that you'd realize. 1061 00:52:36,954 --> 00:52:40,258 On the plane home, said to her, 1062 00:52:40,291 --> 00:52:42,927 "Got something to tell you." 1063 00:52:43,928 --> 00:52:46,964 And then as I sort of was telling her, 1064 00:52:46,997 --> 00:52:50,801 expecting her to be sort of freaked out by what I was saying. 1065 00:52:50,835 --> 00:52:52,870 She suddenly turned around... 1066 00:52:52,903 --> 00:52:55,673 -(EERIE SCREECHING) -She said... What the... 1067 00:52:55,706 --> 00:52:57,608 CRISELDA: God... 1068 00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:59,377 What the hell? 1069 00:53:09,987 --> 00:53:12,223 ROB: Whatever it is, it doesn't like your stories, Craig. 1070 00:53:12,257 --> 00:53:14,459 CRAIG: No. Clearly not. 1071 00:53:17,395 --> 00:53:20,431 Like I said, I thought she was going to sort of freak out from me 1072 00:53:20,465 --> 00:53:24,335 telling her this ghost story, and she's being staying there for the last four nights. 1073 00:53:24,369 --> 00:53:26,437 But she turned around and went, "Oh, my God!" 1074 00:53:26,471 --> 00:53:28,673 I didn't want to say anything 'cause I just thought maybe 1075 00:53:28,706 --> 00:53:30,375 it was just my imagination or something. 1076 00:53:30,975 --> 00:53:33,344 I was doing the laundry. 1077 00:53:33,378 --> 00:53:38,749 I was sorting out the clothes and then looked through the hallway like this. 1078 00:53:38,783 --> 00:53:42,820 I just saw something that went in the room... 1079 00:53:42,853 --> 00:53:44,655 (SOFT CLATTERING) 1080 00:53:44,689 --> 00:53:47,658 -What's that? -CRAIG: What was that? 1081 00:53:47,692 --> 00:53:49,794 Plank went against the wall by the sounds of it. 1082 00:53:49,827 --> 00:53:51,796 CRAIG: Yeah. It's a rock. 1083 00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:53,431 Rock just hit that wall. 1084 00:53:53,464 --> 00:53:55,032 -KEVIN: How'd you know? -I heard it. 1085 00:53:55,065 --> 00:53:57,502 -I heard it. -CRISELDA: I did, I heard it. 1086 00:53:57,535 --> 00:53:59,003 It was behind me, like a snap. 1087 00:54:02,773 --> 00:54:04,509 CRAIG: Interesting. CRISELDA: It's from there. 1088 00:54:06,311 --> 00:54:07,612 Somewhere. 1089 00:54:07,645 --> 00:54:09,647 There's no one else here. 1090 00:54:10,781 --> 00:54:12,350 (ROCKS FALLING) 1091 00:54:13,518 --> 00:54:16,053 Think something's telling us something. 1092 00:54:19,924 --> 00:54:21,759 (CLATTERING) 1093 00:54:21,792 --> 00:54:23,260 (EXCLAIMS) 1094 00:54:25,896 --> 00:54:27,598 No, there was definitely something... 1095 00:54:27,632 --> 00:54:28,866 Someone just threw the rock. 1096 00:54:28,899 --> 00:54:30,468 No, something definitely... 1097 00:54:30,501 --> 00:54:32,937 See if Gerry's seen anyone out there. 1098 00:54:34,539 --> 00:54:37,375 Rocks started to come in through the windows, 1099 00:54:37,408 --> 00:54:38,843 quite close to us. 1100 00:54:38,876 --> 00:54:42,547 They started off hitting the wall with quite a loud bang. 1101 00:54:42,580 --> 00:54:44,782 And it kind of startled us and, you know, 1102 00:54:44,815 --> 00:54:47,518 we carried on talking and then more came in 1103 00:54:47,552 --> 00:54:49,387 and they ended up getting quite close, 1104 00:54:49,420 --> 00:54:51,656 which made me uncomfortable, not just... 1105 00:54:51,689 --> 00:54:54,592 Not so much because of what it might be throwing them, 1106 00:54:54,625 --> 00:54:55,893 which was a question also, 1107 00:54:55,926 --> 00:54:58,929 but I didn't want to get hit by one. 1108 00:54:58,963 --> 00:55:01,699 So one of the guys just went out to have a look. 1109 00:55:02,867 --> 00:55:06,404 But no one was there. 1110 00:55:06,437 --> 00:55:10,107 CRAIG: So very, very odd things to begin the evening 1111 00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:14,111 occurred there, and no explanation. 1112 00:55:14,144 --> 00:55:16,414 GERRY: I heard various noises. 1113 00:55:16,447 --> 00:55:20,751 Amongst all the noises, I also saw strange things going on. 1114 00:55:20,785 --> 00:55:25,556 Obviously, being curious and in security, I have to go a bit closer to have a look. 1115 00:55:25,590 --> 00:55:26,957 It doesn't sort of faze me. 1116 00:55:26,991 --> 00:55:29,093 I actually put off... I had the torch here. 1117 00:55:29,126 --> 00:55:31,962 I was just talking to Dana and I had the torch here. 1118 00:55:31,996 --> 00:55:34,399 And in that, where that bush is, 1119 00:55:34,432 --> 00:55:36,967 to the white stone, I just saw a... 1120 00:55:37,001 --> 00:55:39,036 It was like a dark shadow. 1121 00:55:39,069 --> 00:55:41,105 It just went from there to there. 1122 00:55:41,138 --> 00:55:43,841 MICHAEL: This is exactly what the eyewitnesses saw as well, yeah. 1123 00:55:43,874 --> 00:55:46,911 GERRY: A cold... I just shivered. 1124 00:55:46,944 --> 00:55:50,114 I don't know, the whole body just, like, went into a tingle. 1125 00:55:50,147 --> 00:55:53,884 It went from there, from that bush to there, and then I lost it. 1126 00:55:53,918 --> 00:55:56,587 I quickly put the torch back up and it was gone. 1127 00:55:56,621 --> 00:56:00,991 Unbeknownst to me, I was informed by the film crew 1128 00:56:01,025 --> 00:56:03,928 that two gentlemen were walking past that way. 1129 00:56:03,961 --> 00:56:08,399 They saw a shadow come across and move very quickly towards them, 1130 00:56:08,433 --> 00:56:10,435 from the same location I was at. 1131 00:56:10,468 --> 00:56:13,103 DANA: I heard footsteps behind me, 1132 00:56:13,137 --> 00:56:17,442 and it sort of sounded like there was someone running through the bushes, 1133 00:56:17,475 --> 00:56:20,878 and then up towards where the gravestones were. 1134 00:56:20,911 --> 00:56:25,550 And we saw a dark shadow move across. 1135 00:56:25,583 --> 00:56:29,820 So I just stood here and I've come over feeling really overwhelmed. 1136 00:56:29,854 --> 00:56:33,157 Cold, shivering... I'm shaking... 1137 00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:36,160 Um, I just feel like I want to cry. 1138 00:56:36,193 --> 00:56:42,032 I just felt my body go really cold and all goosepimply. 1139 00:56:42,066 --> 00:56:45,770 And I just could not move, and then I just started to cry. 1140 00:56:45,803 --> 00:56:48,773 I felt really overwhelmed. It was really quite emotional. 1141 00:56:48,806 --> 00:56:51,742 Even now thinking about it is really emotional. 1142 00:56:51,776 --> 00:56:54,044 GERRY: We both sort of asked each other, 1143 00:56:54,078 --> 00:56:57,448 "Is this really... You know, was it real? Did we actually see it?" 1144 00:56:57,482 --> 00:57:00,184 And we said yes. We both felt shivers go through our body 1145 00:57:00,217 --> 00:57:02,887 as if we've never seen this before. 1146 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,956 It's bizarre. It really is strange. 1147 00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:10,795 Really, really is strange. 1148 00:57:10,828 --> 00:57:12,563 (GRAVEL CRUNCHING) 1149 00:57:14,965 --> 00:57:16,801 MICHAEL: Dear God, please protect us. 1150 00:57:16,834 --> 00:57:20,004 Please make sure that if we open up a portal 1151 00:57:20,037 --> 00:57:23,107 that no evil entities can follow us after we close it. 1152 00:57:24,241 --> 00:57:25,543 ROB: Let's do it. 1153 00:57:25,576 --> 00:57:27,545 MICHAEL: We'll see you shortly. 1154 00:57:27,578 --> 00:57:29,480 CRAIG: So they've started the Ouija board in there 1155 00:57:29,514 --> 00:57:31,215 and we're now walking over here to see if anything happens. 1156 00:57:31,248 --> 00:57:32,817 MICHAEL: We've synchronized the cameras, 1157 00:57:32,850 --> 00:57:34,251 so whatever's going on in there 1158 00:57:34,284 --> 00:57:35,886 we can map to whatever's happening at that moment. 1159 00:57:37,187 --> 00:57:39,824 CRAIG: It actually seems like it's got a lot darker. 1160 00:57:39,857 --> 00:57:40,991 It has. 1161 00:57:49,266 --> 00:57:51,736 MICHAEL: Please give us a sign that you're here. 1162 00:57:57,074 --> 00:57:59,076 Any spirits here with us tonight? 1163 00:57:59,944 --> 00:58:02,112 Please let yourself be known. 1164 00:58:02,146 --> 00:58:06,150 Please communicate with us by moving the marker. 1165 00:58:11,856 --> 00:58:15,860 CRISELDA: If there is a spirit who would want to talk to us... 1166 00:58:15,893 --> 00:58:18,896 -...please give us a sign. -CRAIG: Whoa, whoa, whoa... My God! 1167 00:58:22,633 --> 00:58:24,535 That's all five lights. 1168 00:58:32,777 --> 00:58:35,012 I'm just picking this up to show that this is just... 1169 00:58:35,045 --> 00:58:37,247 This is not connected to anything. 1170 00:58:40,317 --> 00:58:43,187 CRAIG ON RADIO: Anyone there? Who's got the other radio? 1171 00:58:43,220 --> 00:58:46,256 Someone there on the other end of this? Anybody there? 1172 00:58:46,290 --> 00:58:48,593 MICHAEL: Here comes Gerry, and he's flying over. 1173 00:58:48,626 --> 00:58:50,761 -What's happened? -CRAIG: What's up, Gerry? 1174 00:58:50,795 --> 00:58:52,663 All right, listen, just over there, 1175 00:58:52,697 --> 00:58:55,733 -from where we were standing, just this area here... -MICHAEL: Yeah. 1176 00:58:55,766 --> 00:58:59,103 A shadow that's just gone from there straight over to here. 1177 00:58:59,136 --> 00:59:01,171 CRAIG: Same as it did before? MICHAEL: How long ago? 1178 00:59:01,205 --> 00:59:04,308 GERRY: Just two seconds, it went from there across to here. 1179 00:59:04,341 --> 00:59:06,911 Dana spotted it. I spotted it and I wasn't sure 1180 00:59:06,944 --> 00:59:10,014 and she confirmed and it just moved straight across there to here 1181 00:59:10,047 --> 00:59:11,882 and I saw you. 1182 00:59:11,916 --> 00:59:13,918 MICHAEL: I mean, it was answering questions to her. 1183 00:59:13,951 --> 00:59:16,020 Like, every time she asked it a question, it would respond. 1184 00:59:16,053 --> 00:59:17,187 -It wasn't, like, randomly happening. -Exactly... 1185 00:59:17,221 --> 00:59:18,889 Exactly after my question. 1186 00:59:18,923 --> 00:59:21,926 I tried questions, Craig tried questions, nothing. 1187 00:59:21,959 --> 00:59:24,662 -CRAIG: How's Dana? -She's all right now, she's fine. 1188 00:59:24,695 --> 00:59:26,897 But it's just that we both saw that shadow, 1189 00:59:26,931 --> 00:59:30,801 and it moved from there very fast over to here. We both saw it. 1190 00:59:30,835 --> 00:59:33,003 And that's why I came running over, in case you... 1191 00:59:33,037 --> 00:59:35,105 -You know, you got the senses of it. -CRISELDA: Yeah. 1192 00:59:35,139 --> 00:59:38,208 This thing's kicking off now, 1193 00:59:38,242 --> 00:59:39,944 so we might as well get it while we can. 1194 00:59:39,977 --> 00:59:41,111 We're only here for a few more hours. 1195 00:59:41,145 --> 00:59:44,014 CRAIG: Yeah. KEVIN: Does Cris want to do the Ouija board? 1196 00:59:44,048 --> 00:59:48,886 Well, going by how freaked out she just was, I wouldn't have thought so. 1197 00:59:48,919 --> 00:59:53,190 CRISELDA: Yeah, well, we basically set up this little table outside 1198 00:59:53,223 --> 00:59:55,125 where the activity was happening. 1199 00:59:55,159 --> 00:59:56,560 I suppose the Ouija board just... 1200 00:59:56,593 --> 01:00:00,230 Just with its history, it had a little element of, uh, 1201 01:00:00,264 --> 01:00:03,033 I guess a little fear element of what's going to happen 1202 01:00:03,067 --> 01:00:05,169 when we sort of get it out, but I... 1203 01:00:05,202 --> 01:00:06,937 I didn't really think too much about it 1204 01:00:06,971 --> 01:00:08,973 because I'm not a religious person. 1205 01:00:09,006 --> 01:00:11,842 Never have been. I don't believe in any of that kind of stuff. 1206 01:00:11,876 --> 01:00:16,380 I come from a very religious family and a religious country. 1207 01:00:16,413 --> 01:00:20,350 Most of the people back home practice the Catholic faith. 1208 01:00:20,384 --> 01:00:22,319 My thoughts about Ouija boards 1209 01:00:22,352 --> 01:00:25,189 is that nothing good can ever come from it, 1210 01:00:25,222 --> 01:00:28,158 in fact, the opposite can only come from it. 1211 01:00:28,192 --> 01:00:32,029 I don't know any situation where one has been used, 1212 01:00:32,062 --> 01:00:35,032 where the people that used it have walked away happy about it. 1213 01:00:35,065 --> 01:00:37,234 RUTH: Well, there's been 1214 01:00:37,267 --> 01:00:40,771 stories about people being possessed by spirits, followed home by spirits. 1215 01:00:40,805 --> 01:00:44,842 I think we need to be clear what you're inviting in, first of all. 1216 01:00:44,875 --> 01:00:46,944 Uh, prayer is important, 1217 01:00:46,977 --> 01:00:49,680 but also the nature of your questions. 1218 01:00:49,714 --> 01:00:52,683 We would very much like to communicate with you. 1219 01:00:54,384 --> 01:00:58,956 If you are here, could you please let us know somehow 1220 01:00:58,989 --> 01:01:02,259 by moving the marker 1221 01:01:02,292 --> 01:01:06,030 or even by any other means, touching us, 1222 01:01:06,063 --> 01:01:09,066 in any way you can to let us know you're here, 1223 01:01:10,034 --> 01:01:12,102 but just show us something. 1224 01:01:15,105 --> 01:01:19,209 CRISELDA: So, they did one round, nothing much happened and, uh, 1225 01:01:19,243 --> 01:01:23,313 then Kevin said, you know, "Cris, do you want to have a go?" 1226 01:01:23,347 --> 01:01:26,016 I was a bit reluctant to join. 1227 01:01:26,050 --> 01:01:28,986 Um, didn't particularly want to do it. 1228 01:01:29,019 --> 01:01:32,923 So, you know, I reluctantly went and sat and I just thought, 1229 01:01:32,957 --> 01:01:34,959 "Well, hopefully, you know, nothing will happen." 1230 01:01:34,992 --> 01:01:36,493 So far nothing's happened. 1231 01:01:36,526 --> 01:01:39,163 We used a different method, I think. 1232 01:01:39,196 --> 01:01:42,166 We used a ring. 1233 01:01:42,199 --> 01:01:44,735 KEVIN: This ring is, um, quite special to me. 1234 01:01:44,769 --> 01:01:46,403 It's my father's ring. 1235 01:01:46,436 --> 01:01:49,840 My father died 25 years ago. So it's his wedding ring. 1236 01:01:49,874 --> 01:01:52,977 So if you have interest to try this out... 1237 01:01:53,010 --> 01:01:55,179 CRISELDA: How are we gonna hold it? 1238 01:01:55,212 --> 01:01:57,114 CRAIG: How do you wanna work this? 1239 01:02:08,959 --> 01:02:11,161 Okay, if there's any spirits here with us tonight, 1240 01:02:11,195 --> 01:02:13,230 please communicate with us by the board. 1241 01:02:13,263 --> 01:02:17,101 RUTH: I would have people with me who are quite experienced 1242 01:02:17,134 --> 01:02:19,870 in working in ghost investigations. 1243 01:02:19,904 --> 01:02:22,106 I would have a clairvoyant there that I trust. 1244 01:02:22,139 --> 01:02:24,909 You need those people there who are experienced. 1245 01:02:24,942 --> 01:02:26,944 I wouldn't dream of doing it without them. 1246 01:02:32,016 --> 01:02:33,984 CRAIG: Shit, that's scary. (CHUCKLES) 1247 01:02:34,018 --> 01:02:36,086 CRISELDA: What the hell happened? 1248 01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,455 -That was weird. -CRISELDA: It just jumped. 1249 01:02:38,488 --> 01:02:40,524 -Did you feel that, it was like... -Yeah, that just... 1250 01:02:40,557 --> 01:02:44,261 -CRISELDA: It vibrated. It... -Yeah, it just kind of... 1251 01:02:44,294 --> 01:02:46,430 Just went and then, I don't know... 1252 01:02:48,065 --> 01:02:50,267 KEVIN: Please let us know that you are here. 1253 01:02:54,271 --> 01:02:56,006 MICHAEL: That's moving. 1254 01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:59,009 Well, it's on "S" definitely. 1255 01:02:59,043 --> 01:03:01,278 KEVIN: I don't know. CRAIG: Well, I'm barely touching it. 1256 01:03:01,311 --> 01:03:05,349 After a while, there was definitely some kind of movement there 1257 01:03:05,382 --> 01:03:07,384 and again with Ouija boards it's hard to determine 1258 01:03:07,417 --> 01:03:10,287 whether something's happening or whether you're just... 1259 01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,022 You know, someone's pushing it with their finger 1260 01:03:12,056 --> 01:03:14,024 or too much weight on it or, 1261 01:03:14,058 --> 01:03:16,460 you know, nothing necessarily going on on purpose, but, um, 1262 01:03:16,493 --> 01:03:18,128 just moving it by accident maybe. 1263 01:03:22,399 --> 01:03:23,633 MICHAEL: Is it a "Q"? KEVIN: It is "Q." 1264 01:03:23,667 --> 01:03:28,105 CRISELDA: It moved on to different letters and... 1265 01:03:28,138 --> 01:03:32,977 Didn't really have any idea of what it was trying to spell out. 1266 01:03:33,010 --> 01:03:35,345 CRAIG: And we sort of jotted them down 1267 01:03:35,379 --> 01:03:37,047 uh, just a random... 1268 01:03:37,081 --> 01:03:39,950 I think six, seven letters, something like that. 1269 01:03:39,984 --> 01:03:41,218 It didn't really make any sense at all. 1270 01:03:41,251 --> 01:03:42,987 I couldn't even really pronounce it. 1271 01:03:43,020 --> 01:03:47,091 CRISELDA: It started with an "S," I think. "Seqour" or something like that. 1272 01:03:48,325 --> 01:03:49,626 Didn't really mean anything. 1273 01:03:49,659 --> 01:03:54,364 But when we sort of got back and, uh, researched and sort of 1274 01:03:54,398 --> 01:03:56,600 figured out anagrams of these particular letters, 1275 01:03:56,633 --> 01:04:01,838 they actually made up a Latin word that meant "to follow." 1276 01:04:03,607 --> 01:04:07,844 Which, uh, upon discovering was 1277 01:04:08,678 --> 01:04:10,314 not fun to hear. 1278 01:04:10,347 --> 01:04:12,249 I can't imagine, 1279 01:04:12,282 --> 01:04:15,619 well, I guess one of us could have known 1280 01:04:15,652 --> 01:04:19,123 some Latin words, but it seems... 1281 01:04:19,156 --> 01:04:22,192 It just doesn't seem... 1282 01:04:22,226 --> 01:04:25,162 Seem possible to me. Um... 1283 01:04:25,195 --> 01:04:28,532 It was very bizarre, very bizarre. 1284 01:04:28,565 --> 01:04:31,001 ROB: What we thought would be an interesting idea once we 1285 01:04:31,035 --> 01:04:33,370 locked down the fact that there was a hot spot, 1286 01:04:33,403 --> 01:04:36,540 would be if each of us spent 10 minutes alone. 1287 01:04:36,573 --> 01:04:38,108 KEVIN: The "10 minutes alone" was an experiment 1288 01:04:38,142 --> 01:04:39,476 based around what Sunny and his friend 1289 01:04:39,509 --> 01:04:41,178 had seen up at Clophill a few years before. 1290 01:04:41,211 --> 01:04:44,081 When we interviewed him, it was daylight and lots of people around, 1291 01:04:44,114 --> 01:04:45,615 he said, "Well, typical, nothing's happened. 1292 01:04:45,649 --> 01:04:48,919 "I guarantee if I was on my own, something would happen." 1293 01:04:48,953 --> 01:04:50,720 So, we thought, "Well, why don't we try that?" 1294 01:04:50,754 --> 01:04:53,523 Each of us will spend 10 minutes on our own over by the line of graves 1295 01:04:53,557 --> 01:04:56,093 and set the camera up and just see what happens. 1296 01:04:56,126 --> 01:04:59,629 The 10-minute experiment was... 1297 01:04:59,663 --> 01:05:04,534 My heart was pounding so, so strong 1298 01:05:04,568 --> 01:05:07,304 because I really didn't want to be there on my own. 1299 01:05:24,321 --> 01:05:28,592 Still no activity to report so far. 1300 01:05:31,195 --> 01:05:34,598 This is the time when it's going to happen, 1:00. 1301 01:05:41,738 --> 01:05:44,008 -CRAIG: It's your turn, Rob. -See you in a bit. 1302 01:05:44,041 --> 01:05:45,275 -How you feeling? -MICHAEL: Good luck, Rob. 1303 01:05:45,309 --> 01:05:47,311 ROB: Feeling well, feeling good. 1304 01:05:48,045 --> 01:05:49,113 Yeah? 1305 01:05:52,116 --> 01:05:54,451 ROB: Evening. MARK J.: Evening. 1306 01:05:54,484 --> 01:05:57,221 -How's it going? -Nothing to report really. 1307 01:05:57,254 --> 01:05:58,555 No? Nothing to report? 1308 01:05:58,588 --> 01:06:00,490 -No signs. -No signs. 1309 01:06:00,524 --> 01:06:02,726 -Not a jiffy. -Not a jiffy. 1310 01:06:04,461 --> 01:06:06,430 How do? 1311 01:06:06,463 --> 01:06:08,765 Just here for my 10 minutes of fame. 1312 01:06:08,798 --> 01:06:10,334 (BREATHES DEEPLY) 1313 01:06:10,367 --> 01:06:14,238 I suppose I should take the hood off, really, so I can hear what's going on. 1314 01:06:16,140 --> 01:06:18,542 Lots of moonlight. 1315 01:06:18,575 --> 01:06:22,646 Ah, let's do the hair. Cheers, Mark. 1316 01:06:22,679 --> 01:06:24,614 (SHUSHING) 1317 01:06:26,616 --> 01:06:31,255 Ah, so, what we got here? 1318 01:06:35,659 --> 01:06:37,361 (FAINT RUSTLING) 1319 01:06:37,394 --> 01:06:41,031 Ah. Got a little bit of rustling 1320 01:06:41,831 --> 01:06:43,433 over this way. 1321 01:06:44,334 --> 01:06:46,002 Is that Mr. Fox? 1322 01:07:10,094 --> 01:07:11,561 Okay, torch off. 1323 01:07:17,167 --> 01:07:19,069 (FOOTSTEPS APPROACHING) 1324 01:07:22,806 --> 01:07:25,542 (LOW) So, I can definitely hear footsteps now. 1325 01:07:27,377 --> 01:07:29,646 (MICHAEL SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY ON RADIO) 1326 01:07:29,679 --> 01:07:31,348 KEVIN: Definitely movement. 1327 01:07:31,381 --> 01:07:33,550 You see movement there, Mike? 1328 01:07:40,757 --> 01:07:43,160 CRAIG: Are you ready, Cris? CRISELDA: (SOFTLY) Oh, God. 1329 01:07:43,193 --> 01:07:45,195 CRAIG: Here we go. CRISELDA: Really? 1330 01:07:45,229 --> 01:07:46,830 CRAIG: Go for it. 1331 01:07:46,863 --> 01:07:49,699 MICHAEL: I see a torch. Is that Cris on her way? 1332 01:07:49,733 --> 01:07:53,503 CRAIG: Yep. She's just approaching the, uh, church now. 1333 01:07:59,143 --> 01:08:00,377 (CRISELDA SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY) 1334 01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,516 I've just been advised to be quiet a bit, 1335 01:08:08,852 --> 01:08:10,754 so that I can hear any noises. 1336 01:08:10,787 --> 01:08:11,788 (DISTANT YELL) 1337 01:08:13,490 --> 01:08:16,126 (FOOTSTEPS APPROACHING) 1338 01:08:23,267 --> 01:08:26,236 Okay, there are some noises behind me, 1339 01:08:26,270 --> 01:08:27,804 right by the path. 1340 01:08:29,873 --> 01:08:33,810 Did you say you heard noises? What sort of noises? 1341 01:08:33,843 --> 01:08:35,479 CRISELDA: In the bushes. 1342 01:08:35,512 --> 01:08:38,648 -MICHAEL: Yeah, that's exactly what I heard. -Hmm. 1343 01:08:43,387 --> 01:08:45,655 There is a lot of movement there. 1344 01:08:49,493 --> 01:08:51,228 (RUSTLING) 1345 01:08:58,435 --> 01:09:01,505 How long? How much longer do I have to be here? 1346 01:09:19,656 --> 01:09:23,660 Okay, there's definitely something there. I don't know what it is. 1347 01:09:24,761 --> 01:09:26,830 But it's just behind there. 1348 01:09:30,267 --> 01:09:32,769 Oh, thank God. 1349 01:09:32,802 --> 01:09:35,772 (SIGHS LOUDLY) So, I'm going to go now. Hurrah! 1350 01:09:35,805 --> 01:09:38,942 My 10 minutes is over. I'm so glad. 1351 01:09:38,975 --> 01:09:42,246 KEVIN: Make sure you give Craig the walkie-talkie. 1352 01:09:42,279 --> 01:09:45,215 Yep, he's here now. I'm leaving him the walkie-talkie. 1353 01:09:45,249 --> 01:09:50,587 And I'm so glad I'm done, because this noise ain't stopping, mate. 1354 01:09:50,620 --> 01:09:54,291 -It's just right there. -CRAIG: What kind of noise? 1355 01:09:54,324 --> 01:10:00,196 Well, just now, it's like walking on the gravel, I swear. 1356 01:10:01,465 --> 01:10:02,766 -Okay. -(CHUCKLES NERVOUSLY) 1357 01:10:02,799 --> 01:10:06,836 -Have you had your torch on the whole time? -Yeah, what'd you think? 1358 01:10:06,870 --> 01:10:08,738 Can you feel my heart? 1359 01:10:12,776 --> 01:10:13,843 Good luck. 1360 01:10:13,877 --> 01:10:15,445 -Bye. -Bye. 1361 01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,581 -Well, here she comes. -She's actually running. 1362 01:10:17,614 --> 01:10:20,884 -Oh, wow. -She's running. 1363 01:10:20,917 --> 01:10:23,620 If you can see me from here, this is, uh... 1364 01:10:26,790 --> 01:10:30,360 Roughly where the sightings have been seen. Just here. 1365 01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,703 -(MICHAEL TALKING INDISTINCTLY OVER RADIO) -Fuck! 1366 01:10:39,736 --> 01:10:43,773 (LAUGHING) The biggest scare of the night was that, Mike. Cheers. 1367 01:10:43,807 --> 01:10:45,642 (FAINT RUSTLING IN DISTANCE) 1368 01:10:48,478 --> 01:10:50,580 (FAINT TAPPING) 1369 01:10:52,649 --> 01:10:54,851 There is definitely something. 1370 01:10:56,486 --> 01:10:58,855 (FAINT FOOTSTEPS) 1371 01:11:00,424 --> 01:11:02,492 Can you hear that? 1372 01:11:06,095 --> 01:11:08,932 CRAIG: There are definitely noises. Uh... 1373 01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:13,770 It seems to have stopped now, but, um... 1374 01:11:13,803 --> 01:11:17,273 For a while it was like something was rushing through the trees. 1375 01:11:21,711 --> 01:11:24,948 Is there anybody here that would like to talk to me? 1376 01:11:27,417 --> 01:11:28,918 We're not here to harm you at all. 1377 01:11:28,952 --> 01:11:32,722 We're just here literally to try and say hello, 1378 01:11:32,756 --> 01:11:35,859 and, um, see if there's anything we can do 1379 01:11:35,892 --> 01:11:37,927 to even possibly help you. 1380 01:11:49,105 --> 01:11:50,974 Is that you? 1381 01:11:51,007 --> 01:11:52,942 Are you here with me? 1382 01:12:01,651 --> 01:12:03,553 There's something in the trees down below. 1383 01:12:03,587 --> 01:12:05,855 It's a really dark path, but there's something. 1384 01:12:07,156 --> 01:12:09,325 (EERIE MUSIC PLAYING) 1385 01:12:16,866 --> 01:12:20,003 Actually, it seems like the security. 1386 01:12:20,036 --> 01:12:22,506 They may have heard it, too, 'cause I can see their torches 1387 01:12:22,539 --> 01:12:25,575 shining in exactly the same direction that I'm pointing, 1388 01:12:25,609 --> 01:12:28,478 straight down this pathway. 1389 01:12:28,512 --> 01:12:31,781 Okay, Kev, how are you doing up there? Are you ready? 1390 01:12:31,815 --> 01:12:33,817 KEVIN: Yeah, I'm in position and the camera is rolling. 1391 01:12:33,850 --> 01:12:35,452 Um... 1392 01:12:35,485 --> 01:12:39,122 I'm over here by the graves, it's all pretty quiet at the moment. 1393 01:12:39,155 --> 01:12:42,592 -Okay, keep us posted if anything happens. -Ten minutes start now. 1394 01:12:42,626 --> 01:12:44,093 Ten minutes start now. 1395 01:12:51,167 --> 01:12:52,802 (LEAVES RUSTLING) 1396 01:12:52,836 --> 01:12:54,638 -(FAINT FOOTSTEPS) -What's that? 1397 01:12:58,542 --> 01:13:01,878 KEVIN: Definitely heard something, in the... 1398 01:13:01,911 --> 01:13:03,980 Behind the grave, below the tree. 1399 01:13:04,013 --> 01:13:05,081 (WALKIE-TALKIE CLICKS) 1400 01:13:12,522 --> 01:13:14,724 -All right. -(INDISTINCT) 1401 01:13:14,758 --> 01:13:17,060 KEVIN: Behind the graves. 1402 01:13:17,093 --> 01:13:18,628 CRAIG: He's hearing sounds behind the grave. 1403 01:13:18,662 --> 01:13:19,729 When you say, "strange," what do you mean? 1404 01:13:19,763 --> 01:13:22,866 Like, breathing, uh, movement, what kind of thing? 1405 01:13:23,767 --> 01:13:25,969 Definite movement. 1406 01:13:26,002 --> 01:13:28,972 If it's quiet, then hopefully the mics can pick stuff up. 1407 01:13:29,005 --> 01:13:31,140 CRAIG: Five minutes, exactly. 1408 01:13:31,174 --> 01:13:33,209 Half the time. 1409 01:13:33,242 --> 01:13:35,579 KEVIN: I'm gonna go check it out. 1410 01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:52,195 -Mark? -MARK J.: Mmm-hmm? 1411 01:13:52,228 --> 01:13:54,598 How's Rob doing? Is he all right? 1412 01:13:54,631 --> 01:13:56,199 Um, he said he wasn't feeling very well. 1413 01:13:56,232 --> 01:13:58,201 -He just needed a breather. -Oh, okay. 1414 01:13:58,234 --> 01:14:00,169 CRISELDA: I think he said he'll rest in the car for a bit. 1415 01:14:00,203 --> 01:14:02,038 Okay, that's fine. 1416 01:14:02,071 --> 01:14:04,173 Okay, Kev, how's the hunt going? 1417 01:14:12,749 --> 01:14:15,752 -How long are we in? -He is eight minutes now. 1418 01:14:15,785 --> 01:14:17,987 All right, Kev, you're eight minutes, so, in a minute's time 1419 01:14:18,021 --> 01:14:20,089 we're going to probably come look for you anyway. 1420 01:14:20,123 --> 01:14:21,725 How you doing? 1421 01:14:29,032 --> 01:14:32,101 -I think we should go. -We got to give him his full 10 minutes. 1422 01:14:32,135 --> 01:14:36,973 Unfortunately that's the agreement we had when we did this thing. 1423 01:14:37,006 --> 01:14:40,243 -CRAIG: Just a bit worrying that he's not answering. -Yeah, I know. 1424 01:14:40,276 --> 01:14:41,811 Yeah, let's go on there. 1425 01:14:41,845 --> 01:14:43,980 CRAIG: Is it 10 minutes? MICHAEL: Yeah, close enough. 1426 01:14:44,013 --> 01:14:47,584 By the time we get over there, it will be 10 minutes. 1427 01:14:52,622 --> 01:14:54,991 Is there someone with a torch over there? 1428 01:14:55,725 --> 01:14:58,862 Kev? No, he's not there. 1429 01:14:58,895 --> 01:15:00,597 CRISELDA: Kev. 1430 01:15:08,071 --> 01:15:10,273 Okay, so he's probably... 1431 01:15:10,306 --> 01:15:11,608 -Kev. -Kev. 1432 01:15:11,641 --> 01:15:14,177 What's happened here, man? 1433 01:15:14,210 --> 01:15:15,879 I thought I just heard him walking. 1434 01:15:15,912 --> 01:15:17,914 I, uh, will check for these... 1435 01:15:17,947 --> 01:15:20,283 -Has he got a torch? -Is the camera still rolling on Kevs? 1436 01:15:20,316 --> 01:15:23,119 -Yeah, it's still rolling. -It's still rolling. 1437 01:15:23,152 --> 01:15:24,654 CRISELDA: Kev got a torch. 1438 01:15:24,688 --> 01:15:25,889 He would have heard us, though. 1439 01:15:25,922 --> 01:15:26,890 He's probably not that far away. 1440 01:15:26,923 --> 01:15:28,725 That's all right. You guys, just hang on a sec. 1441 01:15:28,758 --> 01:15:31,060 Well, me and Mark will just go around the path. 1442 01:15:31,094 --> 01:15:33,730 CRAIG: All right. We'll wait here. 1443 01:15:33,763 --> 01:15:35,098 Mark, can I use your light? 1444 01:15:40,269 --> 01:15:41,805 That is weird. 1445 01:15:42,772 --> 01:15:44,608 Well, did he... 1446 01:15:45,975 --> 01:15:48,812 Did he not maybe go down that way? 1447 01:15:51,347 --> 01:15:53,717 Yeah, but then he would have radioed us 1448 01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:55,619 and the radio would have... 1449 01:15:57,220 --> 01:15:59,956 (FAINT TAPPING IN DISTANCE) 1450 01:16:01,691 --> 01:16:03,760 CRAIG: Can you hear that, in there? 1451 01:16:04,828 --> 01:16:07,030 Kev? 1452 01:16:07,063 --> 01:16:08,998 I think I heard a voice around this way. 1453 01:16:09,032 --> 01:16:10,333 Is that you? 1454 01:16:10,366 --> 01:16:12,001 Hang on, that's the... That's the radio. 1455 01:16:12,035 --> 01:16:13,970 -MARK J.: Where? Where? -Kev? 1456 01:16:15,371 --> 01:16:17,106 (TAPPING IN DISTANCE) 1457 01:16:19,342 --> 01:16:21,945 There's a light over there. There's the walkie-talkie. 1458 01:16:21,978 --> 01:16:25,114 Where the hell is he now? I saw movement in there. 1459 01:16:25,148 --> 01:16:27,116 -Yeah, you all right? -Yeah. 1460 01:16:27,984 --> 01:16:30,153 He couldn't go far from here. 1461 01:16:30,186 --> 01:16:32,221 -Keep it down. -Okay. Sorry. 1462 01:16:33,857 --> 01:16:37,393 (WHISPERING) When I was over there, there was... 1463 01:16:37,426 --> 01:16:41,765 There was definite footsteps coming from behind the graves. 1464 01:16:41,798 --> 01:16:43,833 Literally over there. 1465 01:16:43,867 --> 01:16:46,335 There was a shape, a dark shape. 1466 01:16:46,369 --> 01:16:50,306 It moved right across, left to right. 1467 01:16:51,274 --> 01:16:52,742 MICHAEL: Okay. 1468 01:16:57,180 --> 01:16:59,115 CRAIG: I can't even hear Mike or Mark now. 1469 01:16:59,148 --> 01:17:01,951 -Where they hell has everyone gone? -I really don't know... 1470 01:17:01,985 --> 01:17:04,721 -CRAIG: Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! -Psst. 1471 01:17:04,754 --> 01:17:06,890 They've just gone round the corner to look for Kev, but... 1472 01:17:16,432 --> 01:17:18,234 CRAIG: I don't even have the radio now, so, I... 1473 01:17:18,267 --> 01:17:20,003 (SHUSHING) 1474 01:17:21,237 --> 01:17:22,772 What the hell is that? 1475 01:17:25,809 --> 01:17:27,276 -CRAIG: Fucking shit! -(SCREAMING) 1476 01:17:27,310 --> 01:17:29,713 CRISELDA: Get out of there, Craig! 1477 01:17:29,746 --> 01:17:32,181 -Gerry, get over here! -What's happening? 1478 01:17:33,449 --> 01:17:34,951 (CRISELDA WHIMPERING) 1479 01:17:34,984 --> 01:17:37,086 We need to go... Gerry! 1480 01:17:37,954 --> 01:17:39,422 Give us a hand. 1481 01:17:39,455 --> 01:17:40,690 -GERRY: You all right? -Yeah. 1482 01:17:40,724 --> 01:17:43,192 I don't know what the fucking hell, something's in there. 1483 01:17:43,226 --> 01:17:45,929 -It's down there in the bushes. -Kev! 1484 01:17:45,962 --> 01:17:48,197 (CRISELDA MUTTERING) 1485 01:17:48,231 --> 01:17:50,900 They saw something that froze them to the spot. 1486 01:17:50,934 --> 01:17:52,135 Something... 1487 01:17:52,168 --> 01:17:54,704 -You all right? -Yeah, no. Something... 1488 01:17:54,738 --> 01:17:56,405 Something was in there. 1489 01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,441 CRAIG: I don't know what it was, some kind of face or something. 1490 01:17:58,474 --> 01:18:01,778 She freaked out, she ran and now she's... Now she can't move. 1491 01:18:01,811 --> 01:18:04,047 -(CRISELDA SOBBING) -Did you just push this on her ankle or something? 1492 01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,215 Yeah... I don't know if she's fallen or... 1493 01:18:06,249 --> 01:18:07,817 She's shivering. I don't know. 1494 01:18:07,851 --> 01:18:09,385 (SOBBING) I can't move it. 1495 01:18:09,418 --> 01:18:11,387 But we need to go... Something... Seriously, go and have a look down there. 1496 01:18:11,420 --> 01:18:13,489 CRISELDA: I can't feel anything! 1497 01:18:13,522 --> 01:18:16,092 MICHAEL: Gerry, help me out. 1498 01:18:16,125 --> 01:18:18,027 -Gerry, did you see anything? -I didn't. 1499 01:18:18,061 --> 01:18:21,097 I shone the torch there, but there was nothing. 1500 01:18:21,130 --> 01:18:24,067 CRAIG: Are you okay? CRISELDA: (SOBS) I can't walk. 1501 01:18:24,100 --> 01:18:26,069 You can't walk? Literally, you can't walk? 1502 01:18:26,102 --> 01:18:28,872 -I can't move my legs. -Let's get her out of here... 1503 01:18:28,905 --> 01:18:31,107 Let's get back over to church. Come on, guys. 1504 01:18:32,441 --> 01:18:34,343 Hello, Rob. Can you hear me, Rob? 1505 01:18:34,377 --> 01:18:37,213 -(GRUNTING) -Oh, man... 1506 01:18:37,246 --> 01:18:39,082 I swear to God, I don't know what the hell that was, 1507 01:18:39,115 --> 01:18:44,921 but there was something behind the gravestones, in the tree. 1508 01:18:44,954 --> 01:18:46,856 -Did anyone go back around there? -Yeah, there was... 1509 01:18:46,890 --> 01:18:49,292 I didn't see anything at all. You didn't, did you, Gerry? 1510 01:18:49,325 --> 01:18:53,229 I did. I shone the torch around, I couldn't see anything. 1511 01:18:53,262 --> 01:18:56,499 You know, if one of you guys was, like, around there trying to trick us or something, 1512 01:18:56,532 --> 01:18:57,967 I would have known. That wasn't normal. 1513 01:18:58,001 --> 01:18:59,502 I swear to God, that wasn't normal. 1514 01:18:59,535 --> 01:19:01,905 Come on. Let's just get out, let's just go. 1515 01:19:01,938 --> 01:19:04,140 -Let's just go home. -(SOBBING) 1516 01:19:11,981 --> 01:19:13,783 (INDISTINCT TALKING ON RADIO) 1517 01:19:24,994 --> 01:19:26,462 Over this way. 1518 01:19:40,009 --> 01:19:41,878 Guys, just do me a favor. Just head back to the car. 1519 01:19:41,911 --> 01:19:42,979 Just make sure Cris is all right. 1520 01:19:43,012 --> 01:19:44,413 Me and Kev will just head this way, 1521 01:19:44,447 --> 01:19:46,115 see what we could find, yeah. We'll be back in a minute. 1522 01:19:46,149 --> 01:19:47,250 Okay. 1523 01:19:59,162 --> 01:20:00,363 Right here. 1524 01:20:04,633 --> 01:20:06,335 Just mind your head. 1525 01:20:10,373 --> 01:20:13,009 KEVIN: You think this is the best idea? 1526 01:20:13,042 --> 01:20:15,078 Kev, seriously, there was something there. 1527 01:20:15,111 --> 01:20:16,846 If you play that tape back, you'll see it. 1528 01:20:29,525 --> 01:20:31,227 Gerry's on round. 1529 01:20:42,105 --> 01:20:43,873 (TWIGS SNAPPING) 1530 01:21:07,463 --> 01:21:08,932 Shh. 1531 01:21:15,271 --> 01:21:16,539 Which way? 1532 01:21:18,441 --> 01:21:21,410 KEVIN: I don't know. Just keep going. 1533 01:21:35,158 --> 01:21:36,492 Turn the torch off. 1534 01:21:36,525 --> 01:21:37,994 (TAPPING) 1535 01:21:38,027 --> 01:21:39,562 CRAIG: Do you see that? 1536 01:21:41,197 --> 01:21:42,331 KEVIN: Yeah, I see it. 1537 01:21:42,365 --> 01:21:45,101 (INDISTINCT CHANTING) 1538 01:21:45,134 --> 01:21:47,470 CRAIG: What are they doing? 1539 01:21:48,537 --> 01:21:50,006 (SHUSHING) 1540 01:22:05,388 --> 01:22:07,590 (INDISTINCT CHANTING) 1541 01:22:48,364 --> 01:22:50,199 -KEVIN: We should go. -(TWIGS SNAPPING) 1542 01:22:50,233 --> 01:22:51,567 CRAIG: Shit! Fuck! 1543 01:23:10,053 --> 01:23:13,089 Fuck! Fuck! Do you think they followed us? 1544 01:23:13,122 --> 01:23:15,024 KEVIN: (PANTING) I don't know, man. 1545 01:23:15,058 --> 01:23:16,159 Shit! 1546 01:23:19,762 --> 01:23:21,197 (PANTING) 1547 01:23:21,630 --> 01:23:23,099 Shh... 1548 01:23:23,132 --> 01:23:24,533 Did you hear that? 1549 01:23:24,567 --> 01:23:25,734 What? 1550 01:23:28,271 --> 01:23:31,240 Oh, fuck. Shit! 1551 01:23:31,274 --> 01:23:32,441 Fuck! Oh! 1552 01:23:32,475 --> 01:23:33,642 (GRUNTS) 1553 01:23:34,843 --> 01:23:37,146 -Come on! Fuck! -Go! 1554 01:23:38,547 --> 01:23:40,683 (GRUNTING) Shit! 1555 01:23:42,585 --> 01:23:44,353 Shit! 1556 01:23:44,387 --> 01:23:46,189 Give me your hand! Come on! 1557 01:23:54,330 --> 01:23:56,232 (PANTING) 1558 01:24:06,475 --> 01:24:08,111 (SIREN WAILING) 1559 01:24:11,580 --> 01:24:13,582 KEVIN: The police were all over the area by this point, 1560 01:24:13,616 --> 01:24:16,219 and we told them what happened, what we just witnessed. 1561 01:24:16,252 --> 01:24:19,688 They went back down there to have a look and scout the whole area. 1562 01:24:19,722 --> 01:24:22,591 When they came back up, they said there was no sign of anything down there. 1563 01:24:22,625 --> 01:24:24,460 They hadn't seen anybody at all. 1564 01:24:32,535 --> 01:24:38,641 CRAIG: When we arrived home that evening, the... 1565 01:24:38,674 --> 01:24:40,676 The night wasn't over. 1566 01:24:40,709 --> 01:24:45,314 -Here she is. -(HUFFS) I'm exhausted, I'm really tired. 1567 01:24:45,348 --> 01:24:48,717 CRAIG: Cris was recovering from what had happened. 1568 01:24:48,751 --> 01:24:53,322 She got feeling back and started to feel a little normal again. 1569 01:24:53,356 --> 01:24:57,260 CRISELDA: This was, like, 4:00 in the morning. 1570 01:24:57,293 --> 01:25:01,697 And apart from the tiredness, I was quite distressed. 1571 01:25:01,730 --> 01:25:05,868 We just really wanted to go to bed and not think about anything until... 1572 01:25:05,901 --> 01:25:07,370 Until the next day, really. 1573 01:25:08,837 --> 01:25:11,874 CRAIG: We have to be quiet, though, because everyone's going to be asleep. 1574 01:25:11,907 --> 01:25:13,409 CRISELDA: Maybe we should take our shoes off. 1575 01:25:13,442 --> 01:25:16,612 CRAIG: Yes, we should take our shoes off and go. 1576 01:25:16,645 --> 01:25:21,550 -(THUDDING) -CRAIG: Shit! Shit! 1577 01:25:21,584 --> 01:25:24,220 -I can't see a bloody thing. It's pitch black. -(SHUSHING) 1578 01:25:24,253 --> 01:25:25,721 CRISELDA: We have to be really quiet. 1579 01:25:25,754 --> 01:25:27,256 But if we use the night vision, 1580 01:25:27,290 --> 01:25:29,292 at least that will show us where we're going. 1581 01:25:29,325 --> 01:25:30,759 What I was thinking. Genius. 1582 01:25:30,793 --> 01:25:33,796 CRAIG: Where the hell is the switch? Oh, here we go. Hang on. 1583 01:25:35,698 --> 01:25:37,866 My God! Shit! 1584 01:25:37,900 --> 01:25:39,502 Caitlyn! 1585 01:25:39,535 --> 01:25:42,371 CRAIG: And there, right in front of us 1586 01:25:42,405 --> 01:25:46,342 was our six-year-old daughter, standing 1587 01:25:46,375 --> 01:25:50,779 with her head down, hair over her face. 1588 01:25:50,813 --> 01:25:54,383 It was quite frightening at the time. 1589 01:25:54,417 --> 01:25:56,419 It was, um... 1590 01:25:56,452 --> 01:25:59,255 Obviously, it's our own daughter, but, um, it just was 1591 01:25:59,288 --> 01:26:02,625 a shock to see her standing in the living room 1592 01:26:02,658 --> 01:26:05,661 at that time in the morning, in the pitch blackness. 1593 01:26:05,694 --> 01:26:07,930 CRAIG: Turn the lights on. Turn the lights on. 1594 01:26:07,963 --> 01:26:10,466 CRISELDA: For goodness sake, what the hell? 1595 01:26:10,499 --> 01:26:13,536 CRAIG: And right in front of her, on the floor 1596 01:26:13,569 --> 01:26:16,739 was our huge wooden cross 1597 01:26:16,772 --> 01:26:19,208 that's usually hung above the stairs. 1598 01:26:19,242 --> 01:26:21,577 How it got there, I have no idea and why... 1599 01:26:21,610 --> 01:26:24,447 Why she was standing in the living room 1600 01:26:24,480 --> 01:26:27,283 in the darkness at 4:00 in the morning, 1601 01:26:27,316 --> 01:26:29,218 I could never really explain. 1602 01:26:29,252 --> 01:26:33,722 She wasn't aware of anything. She wouldn't wake up. 1603 01:26:33,756 --> 01:26:38,727 Cris was panicking about things because of what we'd just experienced. 1604 01:26:38,761 --> 01:26:40,729 Uh, so I just had to calm her down 1605 01:26:40,763 --> 01:26:43,966 and tell her it was all fine. 1606 01:26:43,999 --> 01:26:46,469 I picked Caitlyn up, I took her upstairs. 1607 01:26:46,502 --> 01:26:48,937 Um, put her in bed. 1608 01:26:50,273 --> 01:26:52,608 Oh, night-night, tiny girl. 1609 01:26:56,745 --> 01:26:58,914 Peaceful, carried on sleeping. 1610 01:27:00,849 --> 01:27:04,920 We'd obviously had experiences with Caitlyn in the past as a young girl, 1611 01:27:04,953 --> 01:27:07,423 talking about being able to communicate, 1612 01:27:07,456 --> 01:27:09,858 but we thought it had finished because she was now 1613 01:27:09,892 --> 01:27:13,262 getting to the age where most people sort of say that 1614 01:27:13,296 --> 01:27:15,931 if the children do experience things, they start to lose it. 1615 01:27:15,964 --> 01:27:20,369 But then she came to us, uh, the morning after the event, 1616 01:27:20,403 --> 01:27:21,737 I think, really, it was, 1617 01:27:21,770 --> 01:27:25,308 and said that someone new was talking to her. 1618 01:27:25,341 --> 01:27:28,243 Someone she hadn't seen before. 1619 01:27:29,044 --> 01:27:31,647 And that they weren't very nice. 1620 01:27:32,748 --> 01:27:34,850 And that they wanted to cause harm, 1621 01:27:34,883 --> 01:27:39,355 and that they were pretending to be her friend. 1622 01:27:39,388 --> 01:27:43,359 She's not really one to make things up like that. 1623 01:27:43,392 --> 01:27:45,528 And she's talked about this friend since, 1624 01:27:46,662 --> 01:27:49,298 on numerous occasions. 1625 01:27:49,332 --> 01:27:51,467 And it's made Cris... 1626 01:27:54,703 --> 01:27:59,775 Really petrified about being on their own in that house, really. 1627 01:27:59,808 --> 01:28:04,680 It is a concern, and it's obviously bothering me. 1628 01:28:04,713 --> 01:28:06,915 Maybe it's just your imagination. 1629 01:28:06,949 --> 01:28:10,453 But it's the same thing like when I was in Spain. 1630 01:28:10,486 --> 01:28:12,988 I'd say, "Oh, maybe that was nothing." 1631 01:28:13,021 --> 01:28:14,723 Or maybe there is something. 1632 01:28:14,757 --> 01:28:17,793 CRAIG: All the events that happened up at Clophill 1633 01:28:17,826 --> 01:28:22,931 point, quite clearly, to the idea that 1634 01:28:22,965 --> 01:28:24,800 something followed us home. 1635 01:28:24,833 --> 01:28:29,538 CRISELDA: As much as possible, we obviously do not want to frighten the children. 1636 01:28:29,572 --> 01:28:33,576 If it carries on, you know, we might have to 1637 01:28:33,609 --> 01:28:35,077 do something about it. 1638 01:28:35,110 --> 01:28:38,113 CRAIG: I don't know who's up there. 1639 01:28:38,146 --> 01:28:39,281 I don't know if anyone's up there. 1640 01:28:42,017 --> 01:28:46,822 I guess you just have to go up and make your own mind up. 1641 01:29:14,950 --> 01:29:16,619 (TAPE WHIRRING) 125924

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