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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,213 --> 00:00:01,692 NEWSMAN [OVER RADIO]: And at least eight dead 2 00:00:01,736 --> 00:00:02,892 at the We Are All from Somewhere Else... 3 00:00:02,950 --> 00:00:05,726 - Can we go any faster? - I'm doing my best, ma'am. 4 00:00:05,767 --> 00:00:08,927 ...after a gunman opened fire with an automatic weapon. 5 00:00:08,975 --> 00:00:10,919 In addition to the dead, we're receiving reports 6 00:00:10,963 --> 00:00:13,269 of as many as 200 people injured. 7 00:00:13,313 --> 00:00:15,810 Okay, hang on a second! Hang on. 8 00:00:15,849 --> 00:00:18,735 Rapid track! Trauma Bay Four! 9 00:00:18,767 --> 00:00:22,684 Walking wounded needs to be escorted to Station One! 10 00:00:22,728 --> 00:00:24,033 Dr. Kinsey! 11 00:00:24,077 --> 00:00:25,382 I got here as fast as I could. 12 00:00:25,426 --> 00:00:27,733 Dr. Park could really use you in Bay One. 13 00:00:27,776 --> 00:00:29,909 PARK: Kinsey, you made it! 14 00:00:29,952 --> 00:00:31,258 I'm taking this one up to the OR. 15 00:00:31,301 --> 00:00:33,564 I need you to jump on this fellow behind me. 16 00:00:33,608 --> 00:00:35,436 - What do we have? - Ryan Watkins. 17 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,270 Male, lower abdominal gunshot wound. 18 00:00:38,313 --> 00:00:39,919 Next OR should open in ten minutes. 19 00:00:39,962 --> 00:00:41,442 Get started on him as soon as you can. 20 00:00:41,485 --> 00:00:42,875 Will do. 21 00:00:45,584 --> 00:00:47,753 Oh, man, not a lot left to put back together. 22 00:00:47,796 --> 00:00:48,928 Like a river. 23 00:00:48,971 --> 00:00:50,364 How is his pulse? 24 00:00:50,407 --> 00:00:52,113 Last I checked, thready. Barely there. 25 00:00:52,138 --> 00:00:55,026 [WOMAN GASPING]Dr. Kinsey? We're losing this patient. 26 00:00:56,109 --> 00:00:57,545 Her oxygen is in the toilet. 27 00:00:57,588 --> 00:00:58,834 She's not getting any air. 28 00:01:00,069 --> 00:01:01,723 Looks like a pneumothorax. 29 00:01:03,377 --> 00:01:05,031 Oh, no. Sounds like she's got blood in her lungs. 30 00:01:05,074 --> 00:01:06,859 Potential hemopneumo. How long has she been like this? 31 00:01:06,902 --> 00:01:08,034 How long has she not been breathing? 32 00:01:08,077 --> 00:01:09,688 I called you the moment I noticed. 33 00:01:09,731 --> 00:01:10,810 Just got a text. The OR is ready. 34 00:01:10,853 --> 00:01:12,062 We got to get going on this guy 35 00:01:12,087 --> 00:01:13,686 or might as well just send him directly to the morgue. 36 00:01:13,735 --> 00:01:14,875 Doctor, we got to go. 37 00:01:21,084 --> 00:01:22,570 You know what a REBOA is? 38 00:01:22,613 --> 00:01:24,138 Heard of it. Never seen it done. 39 00:01:24,173 --> 00:01:26,748 I want to give him one. It'll stop his bleeding for 20, 30 minutes. 40 00:01:26,792 --> 00:01:28,010 That'll give me a chance to work on her. 41 00:01:28,054 --> 00:01:29,490 That way maybe we can save them both. 42 00:01:29,875 --> 00:01:31,753 Isn't that kind of the definition of a Hail Mary? 43 00:01:31,797 --> 00:01:34,103 I don't know, I'm not into football, and I don't go to church. 44 00:01:34,147 --> 00:01:35,947 I need a REBOA and some chest tubes, stat. 45 00:01:35,987 --> 00:01:37,890 NURSE: You're really going to use a REBOA? 46 00:01:37,933 --> 00:01:39,761 But Dr. Park told you to operate on him now. 47 00:01:39,805 --> 00:01:41,590 I know. But I'm not even sure we can save him. 48 00:01:41,656 --> 00:01:42,986 In fact, the only thing I'm certain of is, 49 00:01:43,030 --> 00:01:44,576 we take the time to get him over to the OR, 50 00:01:44,625 --> 00:01:45,898 we're absolutely losing her. 51 00:01:45,941 --> 00:01:48,117 But what if it doesn't work? What if we lose them both? 52 00:01:48,142 --> 00:01:49,709 It's going to work. 53 00:01:49,771 --> 00:01:51,817 I think I need to have a quick chat with Dr. Park. 54 00:01:51,860 --> 00:01:54,210 Walk away from that patient, don't bother coming back. 55 00:01:54,254 --> 00:01:55,908 TECHNICIAN: Here's your REBOA and your chest tubes. 56 00:01:55,951 --> 00:01:58,084 Great. Let's make some miracles. 57 00:01:58,127 --> 00:02:00,459 Let's hail some Marys. 58 00:02:06,903 --> 00:02:07,992 Hey. 59 00:02:10,879 --> 00:02:12,446 Ah... 60 00:02:13,708 --> 00:02:15,666 I can't lie. 61 00:02:15,710 --> 00:02:17,494 Feel pretty strange about this. 62 00:02:17,538 --> 00:02:19,540 No. Bull's right. 63 00:02:19,583 --> 00:02:20,715 You need your own office. 64 00:02:21,304 --> 00:02:23,145 I've been a lawyer for a minute and a half. 65 00:02:23,170 --> 00:02:24,523 I can work in the conference room. 66 00:02:24,564 --> 00:02:26,022 I'm happy to work in the conference room. 67 00:02:26,112 --> 00:02:28,244 But you're Benjamin Colón. 68 00:02:28,288 --> 00:02:31,639 Hell, rumor has it that you're running for D.A. 69 00:02:31,682 --> 00:02:33,554 of the greatest city in the world. 70 00:02:33,597 --> 00:02:35,208 [SIGHS] 71 00:02:35,251 --> 00:02:36,905 You need a place of your own, man. 72 00:02:36,949 --> 00:02:39,212 You need an office where you can hang that law degree 73 00:02:39,255 --> 00:02:40,561 up on the wall. 74 00:02:40,604 --> 00:02:43,042 Well, you've got a law degree. 75 00:02:43,085 --> 00:02:44,434 I certainly do. 76 00:02:44,478 --> 00:02:46,828 And now I'm working towards a wall to hang it on. 77 00:02:46,872 --> 00:02:49,424 Sorry to break up this legal convention, 78 00:02:49,449 --> 00:02:51,004 but the big guy is waiting for you 79 00:02:51,029 --> 00:02:53,102 in the conference room. 80 00:02:53,182 --> 00:02:55,663 I had just finished my rounds at the hospital 81 00:02:55,706 --> 00:02:57,230 about two and a half hours earlier. 82 00:02:57,273 --> 00:02:59,008 I was climbing out of the shower 83 00:02:59,033 --> 00:03:02,334 when one of the ER nurses called, and said they were expecting... 84 00:03:03,152 --> 00:03:05,241 I thought she said hundreds of patients. 85 00:03:05,266 --> 00:03:07,486 But then I thought I must have misheard. 86 00:03:07,511 --> 00:03:08,773 But then she said there was some kind of 87 00:03:08,798 --> 00:03:10,539 mass casualty situation 88 00:03:10,564 --> 00:03:13,001 and they were calling in every off-duty doctor in the area. 89 00:03:13,026 --> 00:03:14,419 It was all hands on deck. 90 00:03:14,701 --> 00:03:16,615 Hmm. How many patients 91 00:03:16,659 --> 00:03:18,705 did Mercy actually receive that night? 92 00:03:18,748 --> 00:03:20,135 Over 200. 93 00:03:20,185 --> 00:03:22,056 All with penetrating gunshot wounds. 94 00:03:22,099 --> 00:03:24,798 And the deceased... Uh, Ryan Watkins... 95 00:03:24,841 --> 00:03:26,495 He was your first patient? 96 00:03:26,538 --> 00:03:27,888 He was supposed to be. 97 00:03:27,931 --> 00:03:29,454 Soon as I got there, 98 00:03:29,498 --> 00:03:31,674 I conferred with Dr. Park, the chief trauma surgeon. 99 00:03:31,718 --> 00:03:34,125 And he was taking another patient up to the OR, 100 00:03:34,150 --> 00:03:36,866 so he told me to get started on Mr. Watkins. 101 00:03:36,940 --> 00:03:38,324 Was there any special reason 102 00:03:38,350 --> 00:03:41,249 why Dr. Park wanted you to operate on Watkins first? 103 00:03:41,292 --> 00:03:44,034 I mean, it sounds like there were plenty of people 104 00:03:44,059 --> 00:03:45,321 needing immediate care. 105 00:03:45,383 --> 00:03:48,256 No. I think Dr. Park just considered 106 00:03:48,299 --> 00:03:49,561 his injuries the most critical. 107 00:03:49,875 --> 00:03:51,259 But then I saw this woman. 108 00:03:51,302 --> 00:03:52,431 And to my eye, 109 00:03:52,456 --> 00:03:54,798 she was in as equally bad shape as Mr. Watkins. 110 00:03:55,334 --> 00:03:57,047 She had a lot of blood and air in her chest. 111 00:03:57,091 --> 00:03:58,403 Struggling to breathe. 112 00:03:58,446 --> 00:04:01,138 I needed to drain that blood and air fast or we'd lose her. 113 00:04:01,750 --> 00:04:03,671 But if I had operated on him first, 114 00:04:03,716 --> 00:04:05,736 that woman absolutely would have died 115 00:04:05,764 --> 00:04:07,667 while waiting for treatment. 116 00:04:08,145 --> 00:04:10,800 Whereas if I could just keep Mr. Watkins alive 117 00:04:10,844 --> 00:04:13,673 for a half hour, I could definitely save her 118 00:04:14,167 --> 00:04:15,850 and maybe save him, too. 119 00:04:16,334 --> 00:04:18,200 You know, one way, I'm staring at 120 00:04:18,225 --> 00:04:19,923 a likely lose-lose situation. 121 00:04:19,984 --> 00:04:21,716 The other, I was certain 122 00:04:21,741 --> 00:04:23,188 at least one of them was going to live. 123 00:04:23,273 --> 00:04:25,642 That's why you used this REBOA thing? 124 00:04:25,667 --> 00:04:28,250 I'm sorry. What is a REBOA? 125 00:04:28,651 --> 00:04:29,646 It stands for 126 00:04:29,686 --> 00:04:32,593 Resuscitative Endovascular Balloon Occlusion of the Aorta. 127 00:04:32,867 --> 00:04:35,608 It's a kind of internal tourniquet. 128 00:04:35,652 --> 00:04:38,437 A balloon catheter that you position 129 00:04:38,462 --> 00:04:40,681 in a person's aorta to prevent them from bleeding out. 130 00:04:41,671 --> 00:04:43,151 It buys you time. 131 00:04:43,176 --> 00:04:44,438 Which was what I needed. 132 00:04:45,095 --> 00:04:46,837 But it didn't work. 133 00:04:46,881 --> 00:04:49,372 Well, the other patient needed chest tubes. 134 00:04:49,396 --> 00:04:51,050 That should have taken 20 minutes, tops. 135 00:04:51,093 --> 00:04:52,965 But once I got in there, 136 00:04:53,008 --> 00:04:55,576 it was more complicated than I had anticipated. 137 00:04:55,620 --> 00:04:58,100 And by the time I got her stable 138 00:04:58,144 --> 00:04:59,580 and got back to Mr. Watkins, 139 00:04:59,624 --> 00:05:02,540 40, 45 minutes had gone by. 140 00:05:04,792 --> 00:05:06,239 And he-he didn't make it. 141 00:05:07,675 --> 00:05:09,334 I tried, but... 142 00:05:10,460 --> 00:05:11,636 CHUNK: So, the plaintiff, 143 00:05:11,679 --> 00:05:13,681 Mr. Watkins' mother, is saying 144 00:05:13,725 --> 00:05:15,814 that the REBOA should never have been used. 145 00:05:15,857 --> 00:05:17,859 Especially not for 40 minutes. 146 00:05:17,903 --> 00:05:21,167 They are arguing that the REBOA is not even considered 147 00:05:21,210 --> 00:05:22,864 an acceptable standard of care. 148 00:05:22,908 --> 00:05:25,171 I'm not denying it's a controversial technique. 149 00:05:25,214 --> 00:05:27,608 I mean, usually it's only a stop-gap measure 150 00:05:27,652 --> 00:05:29,654 to buy you the ten, 15 minutes it takes 151 00:05:29,697 --> 00:05:32,961 to get a patient into the OR and opened up. 152 00:05:33,005 --> 00:05:34,963 For what it's worth, I've personally made the REBOA work 153 00:05:35,007 --> 00:05:36,574 for up to an hour. 154 00:05:36,617 --> 00:05:37,786 Before I went into trauma, 155 00:05:37,816 --> 00:05:39,394 I was a military medic in Afghanistan, 156 00:05:39,419 --> 00:05:40,948 and I used it there all the time. 157 00:05:41,292 --> 00:05:43,015 Well, it'd be great if we could get someone in 158 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:44,868 to testify to that... Other than you. 159 00:05:45,750 --> 00:05:48,411 You know, I didn't see your picture on the website. 160 00:05:48,455 --> 00:05:49,891 Ex-Excuse me? 161 00:05:50,292 --> 00:05:52,764 When I was researching the Trial Analysis Corporation. 162 00:05:52,807 --> 00:05:54,461 I remember reading about a lawyer, 163 00:05:54,504 --> 00:05:55,593 but I don't think he was you. 164 00:05:55,636 --> 00:05:58,030 Mr. Palmer has been with the firm 165 00:05:58,073 --> 00:06:00,249 for over five years in a variety of capacities. 166 00:06:00,293 --> 00:06:02,991 He's handled several cases on his own, 167 00:06:03,035 --> 00:06:06,604 but he did just officially pass the bar this last summer. 168 00:06:08,292 --> 00:06:11,452 But do you have any experience in medical malpractice? 169 00:06:11,496 --> 00:06:13,045 This firm has handled hundreds 170 00:06:13,070 --> 00:06:15,420 of medical malpractice cases, and I personally 171 00:06:15,445 --> 00:06:16,620 have super... But Mr. Palmer? 172 00:06:17,459 --> 00:06:19,667 This will be my first. 173 00:06:22,292 --> 00:06:24,186 There's another attorney here. 174 00:06:24,230 --> 00:06:26,493 And he has lots of experience in medical... 175 00:06:26,536 --> 00:06:27,842 No. I'm the trial scientist. 176 00:06:27,886 --> 00:06:29,277 I'm the tactician. 177 00:06:29,310 --> 00:06:32,048 And I am telling you he's the one to plead this case. 178 00:06:32,500 --> 00:06:33,848 Now, 179 00:06:33,892 --> 00:06:35,545 if you don't agree with that, there are plenty 180 00:06:35,589 --> 00:06:37,417 of other companies I'm sure you can go to 181 00:06:37,460 --> 00:06:38,723 that would be happy to take your money. 182 00:06:39,250 --> 00:06:41,066 But, Dr. Kinsey, this is a jury trial. 183 00:06:41,134 --> 00:06:42,291 It's six people. 184 00:06:42,335 --> 00:06:45,033 And they're going to decide whether you're innocent or guilty. 185 00:06:45,077 --> 00:06:46,382 They are going to decide 186 00:06:46,426 --> 00:06:47,688 whether you live the rest of your life 187 00:06:47,732 --> 00:06:50,517 in relative comfort or all-consuming debt. 188 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,128 They're gonna decide whether you get to use 189 00:06:53,153 --> 00:06:55,721 the salutation "Doctor" in front of your name ever again. 190 00:06:56,542 --> 00:06:58,993 The other side is going to bring all kinds of sage, old men 191 00:06:59,018 --> 00:07:02,044 who will offer intimidating and confusing medical testimony. 192 00:07:02,101 --> 00:07:03,965 They'll try and bully their way to a verdict. 193 00:07:04,375 --> 00:07:06,751 Now, here's what I know. 194 00:07:06,794 --> 00:07:08,351 You give people a choice 195 00:07:08,376 --> 00:07:09,823 between something they understand 196 00:07:09,884 --> 00:07:11,756 and something they don't understand, 197 00:07:11,799 --> 00:07:13,279 they will almost always lean 198 00:07:13,304 --> 00:07:15,089 in the direction of the thing they understand. 199 00:07:15,625 --> 00:07:16,848 This case isn't about medicine. 200 00:07:16,891 --> 00:07:18,893 It's about being able to talk to six people. 201 00:07:18,937 --> 00:07:21,635 Being able to put them in your shoes 202 00:07:21,679 --> 00:07:24,116 when you had to make the decisions you had to make. 203 00:07:24,959 --> 00:07:26,466 And I'm telling you, 204 00:07:26,509 --> 00:07:28,584 this is the man for the job. 205 00:07:30,470 --> 00:07:31,776 Now... 206 00:07:32,292 --> 00:07:34,207 are we going to court or not? 207 00:07:35,422 --> 00:07:41,098 Synced & corrected by -robtor- www.addic7ed.com 208 00:07:43,753 --> 00:07:46,040 I appreciate your confidence in me. 209 00:07:46,950 --> 00:07:48,430 It's no big deal. 210 00:07:48,473 --> 00:07:49,866 I meant what I said. 211 00:07:49,909 --> 00:07:51,707 I think you're the right man for the job. 212 00:07:52,865 --> 00:07:54,824 I think the jurors are going to appreciate 213 00:07:54,849 --> 00:07:57,243 being talked to by someone like them. 214 00:07:57,268 --> 00:07:59,618 Someone who doesn't 215 00:07:59,643 --> 00:08:02,081 eat, sleep and drink medical malpractice. 216 00:08:02,106 --> 00:08:04,743 Someone who's just trying to figure out what really happened here. 217 00:08:05,575 --> 00:08:06,883 So, voir dire. 218 00:08:06,926 --> 00:08:08,711 You have any thoughts? 219 00:08:08,754 --> 00:08:10,665 So, in a perfect world, 220 00:08:11,198 --> 00:08:12,734 we would love to be talking to people 221 00:08:12,759 --> 00:08:14,636 who are at least willing to entertain the idea 222 00:08:14,683 --> 00:08:18,584 that Dr. Kinsey, finding herself in an impossible situation, 223 00:08:18,609 --> 00:08:20,504 made the best decisions she could... 224 00:08:20,540 --> 00:08:23,615 if not to save every life, then to save most lives. 225 00:08:25,253 --> 00:08:27,951 It really is a case study in lifeboat ethics. 226 00:08:27,976 --> 00:08:29,239 It is funny. 227 00:08:29,264 --> 00:08:30,744 Not one press report I've read 228 00:08:30,769 --> 00:08:32,380 mentions that Dr. Kinsey saved 229 00:08:32,405 --> 00:08:33,998 five other lives that day. 230 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,154 Truth is, our client's a hero. 231 00:08:37,185 --> 00:08:38,708 The jury needs to hear that. 232 00:08:38,733 --> 00:08:41,127 And they need to hear it during voir dire. 233 00:08:42,253 --> 00:08:45,213 Everybody here know who Sully Sullenberger is? 234 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,057 Yeah. 235 00:08:47,082 --> 00:08:49,998 He's the pilot who landed the plane on the Hudson River. 236 00:08:50,023 --> 00:08:51,197 That's him. 237 00:08:51,229 --> 00:08:53,835 Man behind the "Miracle on the Hudson." 238 00:08:53,860 --> 00:08:56,428 A hero. Right? 239 00:08:56,453 --> 00:08:59,630 Anybody remember why he had to land that plane on the river? 240 00:08:59,655 --> 00:09:01,005 Yes. 241 00:09:01,030 --> 00:09:02,727 The plane hit some birds, I think. 242 00:09:02,752 --> 00:09:04,580 Yes, it did. 243 00:09:04,605 --> 00:09:07,304 And it put that man in an impossible situation. 244 00:09:07,726 --> 00:09:10,727 Air traffic control had already ordered him back to the airport. 245 00:09:10,767 --> 00:09:12,566 He was convinced he wouldn't make it. 246 00:09:12,591 --> 00:09:14,582 So he improvised 247 00:09:14,727 --> 00:09:16,991 and decided to attempt a water landing. 248 00:09:17,016 --> 00:09:19,062 Didn't ask for permission. 249 00:09:19,263 --> 00:09:20,786 No time. 250 00:09:20,811 --> 00:09:22,769 He just did it. 251 00:09:22,794 --> 00:09:27,059 And managed to save every passenger on that plane. 252 00:09:27,161 --> 00:09:29,206 A hero... right? 253 00:09:29,357 --> 00:09:31,221 Juror 21. 254 00:09:31,246 --> 00:09:33,204 It says here that you were a police officer. 255 00:09:33,274 --> 00:09:35,444 How do you feel about that? 256 00:09:35,469 --> 00:09:37,602 The man was given an order and he defied it. 257 00:09:37,627 --> 00:09:38,933 Oh, I think everything worked out 258 00:09:38,958 --> 00:09:40,437 the way it was supposed to. 259 00:09:40,730 --> 00:09:42,514 The man was declared a hero. 260 00:09:42,539 --> 00:09:44,497 They made a movie out of it. 261 00:09:44,522 --> 00:09:46,002 He was played by Tom Hanks. 262 00:09:46,109 --> 00:09:48,633 [LAUGHING]: I don't think it gets any better than that. 263 00:09:48,658 --> 00:09:50,616 Ground control to Major Tom? 264 00:09:50,641 --> 00:09:52,077 Diana Merrick. 265 00:09:52,102 --> 00:09:53,605 Former NYPD. 266 00:09:53,630 --> 00:09:55,197 Took an early retirement 267 00:09:55,222 --> 00:09:56,702 after getting injured on the job. 268 00:09:56,727 --> 00:09:57,771 BULL: Injured how? 269 00:09:57,796 --> 00:09:59,449 Suspect stabbed her during an arrest 270 00:09:59,474 --> 00:10:02,194 and then she apparently took him down with a fire extinguisher. 271 00:10:02,219 --> 00:10:03,220 Hit him with it. 272 00:10:03,565 --> 00:10:05,218 A woman of action. 273 00:10:05,262 --> 00:10:07,046 That's our kind of girl. 274 00:10:07,090 --> 00:10:11,050 Your Honor, juror 21 is acceptable to the defense. 275 00:10:11,094 --> 00:10:13,082 Nice work, Counselor. 276 00:10:13,649 --> 00:10:15,085 We make a pretty good team. 277 00:10:15,110 --> 00:10:17,634 Well, all I'm doing is following your lead. 278 00:10:17,883 --> 00:10:20,321 Like I said, we make a pretty good team. 279 00:10:21,365 --> 00:10:22,932 [CHUCKLES] 280 00:10:22,975 --> 00:10:24,977 ♪ 281 00:10:27,023 --> 00:10:29,025 [INDISTINCT CHATTER] 282 00:10:34,345 --> 00:10:35,520 BENNY: There he is. 283 00:10:35,545 --> 00:10:37,373 Oh, hustler, hustler. [LAUGHS] 284 00:10:37,398 --> 00:10:40,575 Survived your first day on the medical malpractice beat? 285 00:10:41,037 --> 00:10:43,140 Other side threw in the towel. Gave up. 286 00:10:43,165 --> 00:10:44,688 Offered to pay us money to go away. 287 00:10:44,843 --> 00:10:47,933 - Ooh. You are knee-deep now. - Yeah. 288 00:10:47,958 --> 00:10:49,612 - Keep shoveling. - [LAUGHS] 289 00:10:49,637 --> 00:10:50,812 Bull know you're here? 290 00:10:50,837 --> 00:10:53,005 Nah, but so what? 291 00:10:53,030 --> 00:10:57,251 Actually, I came by to tell you I think I'm good. 292 00:10:57,706 --> 00:10:59,040 Okay. 293 00:10:59,447 --> 00:11:00,873 So tell me about tomorrow. 294 00:11:00,988 --> 00:11:02,598 Opening statements. 295 00:11:02,623 --> 00:11:05,583 Plaintiffs are gonna say that my client made a bad decision 296 00:11:05,608 --> 00:11:07,088 she had no right to make, 297 00:11:07,269 --> 00:11:08,835 and I'm gonna tell them about a woman 298 00:11:08,860 --> 00:11:11,776 who found herself in the middle of a perfect storm, 299 00:11:11,804 --> 00:11:13,328 made the best choices she could, 300 00:11:13,353 --> 00:11:14,789 and saved five lives. 301 00:11:15,111 --> 00:11:16,939 - First witness? - Dr. Park. 302 00:11:17,494 --> 00:11:19,945 Now, he's gonna testify that he told her to operate 303 00:11:19,989 --> 00:11:21,498 on the plaintiff first. 304 00:11:21,897 --> 00:11:23,290 I'm gonna try to imply 305 00:11:23,315 --> 00:11:25,012 that it was actually he who was derelict, 306 00:11:25,037 --> 00:11:27,344 since he clearly didn't consider thoroughly 307 00:11:27,369 --> 00:11:29,763 the conditions of the other patients in the trauma bay. 308 00:11:29,788 --> 00:11:30,963 Sounds smart. 309 00:11:30,988 --> 00:11:33,512 Why, thank you, sir. [CHUCKLES] 310 00:11:33,537 --> 00:11:35,322 I'm gonna go. 311 00:11:35,820 --> 00:11:37,909 Just beware of the bank shot. 312 00:11:39,530 --> 00:11:40,749 Come again? 313 00:11:47,485 --> 00:11:49,008 - Damn. - No, no. 314 00:11:50,329 --> 00:11:51,722 Oh, yeah. 315 00:11:52,768 --> 00:11:54,683 The bank shot. 316 00:11:55,955 --> 00:11:58,349 So you think you know why the plaintiff 317 00:11:58,374 --> 00:12:01,623 is calling a witness, and y-you may be right. 318 00:12:02,186 --> 00:12:05,624 But a lot of the time, the other side 319 00:12:05,649 --> 00:12:08,652 will call a witness with a whole other purpose entirely. 320 00:12:08,677 --> 00:12:09,983 The witness will say everything 321 00:12:10,008 --> 00:12:11,748 you expect him to say, but then, 322 00:12:11,773 --> 00:12:14,036 just at the last minute, boom, 323 00:12:14,061 --> 00:12:16,957 he'll throw a whole new fact pattern out there. 324 00:12:17,540 --> 00:12:18,610 Bank shot. 325 00:12:20,476 --> 00:12:22,652 - So what do I do? - Two things. 326 00:12:22,677 --> 00:12:24,026 One, do your best. 327 00:12:24,051 --> 00:12:26,619 Two, stop saying you're good. 328 00:12:26,644 --> 00:12:28,986 You shouldn't be good until this is all over. 329 00:12:29,021 --> 00:12:31,582 And then, only if you've won. 330 00:12:32,447 --> 00:12:34,318 Stay scared, Chunk. 331 00:12:35,484 --> 00:12:37,660 Bank shots can come out of nowhere. 332 00:12:38,110 --> 00:12:40,504 GROSSMAN: Let's talk about the evening of the shooting. 333 00:12:40,548 --> 00:12:42,428 How soon after you got the call 334 00:12:42,471 --> 00:12:44,841 did you have someone reach out to Dr. Kinsey 335 00:12:44,868 --> 00:12:47,290 and ask her to return to the hospital? 336 00:12:47,572 --> 00:12:49,705 I believe it was within minutes. 337 00:12:50,035 --> 00:12:53,765 GROSSMAN: And when she arrived, did you tell Dr. Kinsey to take 338 00:12:53,790 --> 00:12:56,525 Mr. Watkins up to the OR for surgery 339 00:12:56,550 --> 00:12:58,599 as soon as a room became available? 340 00:12:58,655 --> 00:13:00,928 - I did. - And even though 341 00:13:00,953 --> 00:13:04,748 she received that directive from you, her superior, 342 00:13:04,773 --> 00:13:07,721 that's not what Dr. Kinsey did, is it? 343 00:13:09,064 --> 00:13:10,989 - PARK: No. - Now, you mentioned 344 00:13:11,014 --> 00:13:13,195 that Dr. Kinsey decided to deploy 345 00:13:13,227 --> 00:13:14,501 a REBOA. 346 00:13:14,531 --> 00:13:18,206 Had you been consulted, would you have approved of this decision? 347 00:13:18,368 --> 00:13:19,890 No, I would not. 348 00:13:20,707 --> 00:13:25,123 In my 27 years, I've actually never used a REBOA. 349 00:13:25,562 --> 00:13:27,869 As far as I know, the mainstream medical community 350 00:13:27,894 --> 00:13:32,594 has still not reached a decision as to when, where or even if 351 00:13:32,619 --> 00:13:34,316 the REBOA should be used. 352 00:13:34,410 --> 00:13:36,586 It comes with a slew of complications 353 00:13:36,611 --> 00:13:38,457 and high mortality rates. 354 00:13:38,552 --> 00:13:41,599 Are you surprised the use of the REBOA resulted 355 00:13:41,624 --> 00:13:43,402 in Ryan Watkins' death? 356 00:13:43,946 --> 00:13:45,811 - No. - No further questions 357 00:13:45,836 --> 00:13:47,707 for this witness, Your Honor. 358 00:13:49,692 --> 00:13:52,608 I'm not a doctor, but I sense we're bleeding out here. 359 00:13:54,142 --> 00:13:55,752 Before I begin my questioning, 360 00:13:55,777 --> 00:13:57,127 I'd just like to thank you, Dr. Park, 361 00:13:57,152 --> 00:13:59,763 you and the entire Mercy Hospital team, 362 00:13:59,788 --> 00:14:02,486 for all of your hard work during that awful night. 363 00:14:02,511 --> 00:14:03,790 Thank you. 364 00:14:03,815 --> 00:14:06,078 Now, you testified that mere minutes after receiving 365 00:14:06,103 --> 00:14:08,557 the call about the mass shooting, 366 00:14:08,582 --> 00:14:11,150 you directed someone to call Dr. Kinsey 367 00:14:11,175 --> 00:14:12,916 and see if she'd be able to come back to work. 368 00:14:12,941 --> 00:14:14,731 - Yes. - Even though she just finished 369 00:14:14,755 --> 00:14:16,057 a 12-hour shift. 370 00:14:16,082 --> 00:14:17,036 Yes. 371 00:14:17,061 --> 00:14:18,602 You must hold her in pretty high regard, 372 00:14:18,627 --> 00:14:19,873 wouldn't you say? 373 00:14:20,983 --> 00:14:22,376 I suppose so. 374 00:14:22,401 --> 00:14:25,535 In fact, you hired her, didn't you? 375 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,604 I was among the people on the committee 376 00:14:27,629 --> 00:14:30,067 that weighed in on her hiring, yes. 377 00:14:30,353 --> 00:14:33,835 I think it stands to reason that at some point 378 00:14:33,878 --> 00:14:36,987 you had a high degree of faith in Dr. Kinsey's decision-making. 379 00:14:37,045 --> 00:14:38,052 Wouldn't you say? 380 00:14:38,077 --> 00:14:40,415 And it's Chunk Palmer on the 20. 381 00:14:42,191 --> 00:14:43,577 I'm waiting for an answer, Dr. Park. 382 00:14:43,610 --> 00:14:45,562 GROSSMAN: Objection, Your Honor. Relevance. 383 00:14:45,603 --> 00:14:48,449 This trial is not about why Dr. Kinsey was hired. 384 00:14:48,474 --> 00:14:50,954 It is about why she did what she did 385 00:14:50,982 --> 00:14:54,789 after being given specific instructions by her superior. 386 00:14:54,814 --> 00:14:58,248 Objection sustained. Ask another question, Counselor. 387 00:14:58,764 --> 00:15:01,202 Situations like this, a-a mass shooting, 388 00:15:01,227 --> 00:15:02,924 are fast-moving 389 00:15:02,949 --> 00:15:04,409 - and fluid, aren't they? - Of course. 390 00:15:04,434 --> 00:15:06,977 And so, as patients are moved from EMS 391 00:15:07,002 --> 00:15:10,136 to emergency room doctors to trauma surgeons, 392 00:15:10,454 --> 00:15:13,977 quite often their condition changes rapidly, doesn't it? 393 00:15:14,002 --> 00:15:15,089 That's correct. 394 00:15:15,114 --> 00:15:16,855 And am I safe in assuming that, ideally, 395 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,666 you would want them to be reassessed as often as possible? 396 00:15:20,691 --> 00:15:22,389 - Of course. - So, 397 00:15:22,414 --> 00:15:24,199 the night that you decided that Mr. Watkins 398 00:15:24,242 --> 00:15:27,593 should be operated on prior to anyone else, 399 00:15:27,618 --> 00:15:30,577 isn't it possible that while that was the right decision 400 00:15:30,602 --> 00:15:33,736 when you made it, it might not have been the right decision 401 00:15:33,761 --> 00:15:35,415 five or ten minutes later? 402 00:15:36,068 --> 00:15:37,520 And isn't it possible 403 00:15:37,548 --> 00:15:39,358 that on Dr. Kinsey's subsequent, 404 00:15:39,383 --> 00:15:41,057 more thorough examination, 405 00:15:41,082 --> 00:15:43,476 and faced with two critically wounded patients, 406 00:15:43,501 --> 00:15:46,598 she could reasonably disagree with your assessment? 407 00:15:46,623 --> 00:15:48,667 She lost a patient. 408 00:15:48,699 --> 00:15:52,610 If she had done what you told her, she could have lost two. 409 00:15:52,635 --> 00:15:54,848 - Bingo. - GROSSMAN: Objection, Your Honor. 410 00:15:54,873 --> 00:15:57,220 - Counsel is testifying. - [GAVEL BANGS] 411 00:15:57,245 --> 00:15:59,421 Objection sustained. The jury will disregard 412 00:15:59,446 --> 00:16:01,143 counsel's last statement. 413 00:16:01,168 --> 00:16:02,909 It's already forever burned in their brains. 414 00:16:02,934 --> 00:16:04,283 RAND: Mr. Palmer? 415 00:16:04,308 --> 00:16:06,919 You do know the difference between a question 416 00:16:06,944 --> 00:16:09,400 - and a statement, don't you? - You bet he does. 417 00:16:09,447 --> 00:16:11,694 I do, Your Honor, and I apologize 418 00:16:11,719 --> 00:16:14,348 to the court and to the jury and the witness. 419 00:16:14,373 --> 00:16:16,114 Your apology's accepted. 420 00:16:16,349 --> 00:16:19,396 You get one, Mr. Palmer. 421 00:16:19,539 --> 00:16:21,411 Any more questions for this witness? 422 00:16:21,436 --> 00:16:23,248 Not at this time, Your Honor. 423 00:16:24,383 --> 00:16:26,057 GROSSMAN: Permission to redirect? 424 00:16:26,394 --> 00:16:28,221 RAND: Go ahead, Ms. Grossman. 425 00:16:28,311 --> 00:16:29,932 GROSSMAN: Now, Dr. Park, 426 00:16:29,957 --> 00:16:32,742 this isn't the first time that Dr. Kinsey has gone rogue 427 00:16:32,767 --> 00:16:34,552 while on your watch, is it? 428 00:16:34,577 --> 00:16:37,624 No, it is not. 429 00:16:37,950 --> 00:16:39,909 GROSSMAN: Could you elaborate for us, please? 430 00:16:39,934 --> 00:16:41,817 PARK: It was three months or so 431 00:16:41,842 --> 00:16:43,626 after Dr. Kinsey joined our staff. 432 00:16:43,651 --> 00:16:46,436 We had a patient, a car crash victim. 433 00:16:46,675 --> 00:16:50,722 Upon examination we realized she had cirrhosis... liver disease... 434 00:16:50,747 --> 00:16:52,140 And had developed ascites, 435 00:16:52,165 --> 00:16:55,515 essentially an accumulation of fluid in the abdomen 436 00:16:55,583 --> 00:16:59,674 which can cause kidney or liver failure if left untreated. 437 00:17:00,284 --> 00:17:02,678 And you had Dr. Kinsey work on this patient? 438 00:17:02,703 --> 00:17:06,576 Yes. A common procedure is to drain the fluid 439 00:17:06,601 --> 00:17:09,732 through what's called therapeutic paracentesis. 440 00:17:09,757 --> 00:17:12,890 You have to very carefully hold a needle 441 00:17:12,915 --> 00:17:14,699 while the fluid drains. 442 00:17:14,724 --> 00:17:19,082 If the patient moves or if the needle slips, 443 00:17:19,271 --> 00:17:22,361 it could puncture the liver, causing internal bleeding. 444 00:17:22,386 --> 00:17:25,563 And so you had Dr. Kinsey perform this procedure? 445 00:17:25,588 --> 00:17:26,981 That's correct. 446 00:17:27,006 --> 00:17:28,572 But apparently, there was 447 00:17:28,597 --> 00:17:31,687 an urgent situation down the hall, 448 00:17:31,712 --> 00:17:33,584 and instead of stopping the procedure 449 00:17:33,609 --> 00:17:37,787 and pulling the needle out to go and attend to the problem, 450 00:17:37,961 --> 00:17:41,834 Dr. Kinsey decided to tape the needle in place, 451 00:17:41,859 --> 00:17:44,501 I suppose hoping that it would auto-drain 452 00:17:44,536 --> 00:17:47,019 while she was off assisting down the hall. 453 00:17:47,044 --> 00:17:48,523 GROSSMAN: Is that something that's recommended 454 00:17:48,548 --> 00:17:50,245 while performing this procedure? 455 00:17:50,270 --> 00:17:52,141 No. Absolutely not. 456 00:17:52,166 --> 00:17:54,298 You never leave a sharp instrument 457 00:17:54,323 --> 00:17:56,798 sticking out of a patient unattended. 458 00:17:56,846 --> 00:17:59,004 Luckily, I came by to check on the procedure. 459 00:17:59,029 --> 00:18:01,335 I pulled the needle, preserving the patient's safety, 460 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:04,319 and had a very long talk with Dr. Kinsey. 461 00:18:04,344 --> 00:18:09,479 The thing is, it was clever, but not responsible medicine. 462 00:18:10,173 --> 00:18:11,290 GROSSMAN: So, 463 00:18:12,330 --> 00:18:14,794 it appears that Dr. Kinsey has a history 464 00:18:14,820 --> 00:18:17,848 of maverick medical procedures that risk patient health. 465 00:18:17,873 --> 00:18:19,745 Objection. Counsel is testifying. 466 00:18:19,770 --> 00:18:21,640 Rephrase, Ms. Grossman. 467 00:18:21,665 --> 00:18:23,232 I'll withdraw the statement. 468 00:18:23,778 --> 00:18:25,665 No further questions. 469 00:18:31,630 --> 00:18:33,540 BULL: Where the hell did that come from? 470 00:18:33,565 --> 00:18:35,006 CHUNK: Bank shot. 471 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:38,638 KINSEY: You have to understand. From my perspective, 472 00:18:38,682 --> 00:18:40,116 it was a nonevent. 473 00:18:40,453 --> 00:18:42,209 The woman's abdomen was draining just fine 474 00:18:42,234 --> 00:18:44,414 and I was attending to another patient. 475 00:18:44,731 --> 00:18:46,124 Dr. Park came by, 476 00:18:46,167 --> 00:18:47,560 and I wasn't doing it the way he would do it, 477 00:18:47,604 --> 00:18:50,302 but that doesn't mean I was doing it improperly. 478 00:18:50,345 --> 00:18:52,260 I don't mean to cast aspersions, 479 00:18:52,304 --> 00:18:55,350 but Park, he's the kind of guy who's gonna keep making his bed 480 00:18:55,394 --> 00:18:58,789 until it's absolutely perfect, even when the house is on fire. 481 00:18:58,832 --> 00:19:01,139 Be that as it may, the plaintiff's attorney 482 00:19:01,182 --> 00:19:03,271 has already planted it in the jury's mind 483 00:19:03,315 --> 00:19:05,709 that you're some kind of rebel doctor, 484 00:19:05,752 --> 00:19:07,841 willing to compromise your patient's well-being 485 00:19:07,885 --> 00:19:10,583 for the satisfaction of doing it your way. 486 00:19:11,108 --> 00:19:13,760 CHUNK: Do you know a Dr. Kendra Collier? 487 00:19:14,141 --> 00:19:15,891 Name rings a bell. 488 00:19:16,284 --> 00:19:19,070 Uh, maybe the military? Maybe Afghanistan? 489 00:19:19,095 --> 00:19:21,054 CHUNK: Well, she's on this revised witness list 490 00:19:21,079 --> 00:19:23,212 and is first up to testify tomorrow. 491 00:19:23,849 --> 00:19:25,163 Sorry. 492 00:19:25,433 --> 00:19:28,601 In case it jogs your memory, she is a critical care physician 493 00:19:28,645 --> 00:19:30,211 out of San Antonio? 494 00:19:30,683 --> 00:19:32,155 Never been to San Antonio. 495 00:19:32,211 --> 00:19:34,989 TAYLOR: Okay, how's this? From 2004 to 2009, 496 00:19:35,014 --> 00:19:38,084 she worked at Landstuhl Regional Medical Facility in Germany. 497 00:19:38,109 --> 00:19:40,111 Okay. Military doctor, I got that part right, 498 00:19:40,221 --> 00:19:42,080 but I never served in Germany. 499 00:19:42,105 --> 00:19:44,946 MARISSA: So you have no clue why they're calling her to testify? 500 00:19:44,993 --> 00:19:48,447 Uh, San Antonio to New York City is a pretty pricy plane ticket. 501 00:19:48,491 --> 00:19:50,101 There's got to be a reason that they're willing 502 00:19:50,144 --> 00:19:51,537 to go to so much trouble. 503 00:19:52,412 --> 00:19:54,240 I'm sorry. I don't know who she is. 504 00:19:55,096 --> 00:19:57,708 Well, I guess we will all find out tomorrow. 505 00:20:00,024 --> 00:20:01,286 [BRAKES SQUEAKING] 506 00:20:01,329 --> 00:20:02,505 We making a stop? 507 00:20:02,548 --> 00:20:04,724 I asked Benny to join us. 508 00:20:04,768 --> 00:20:06,726 He's gonna sit with me in the gallery. 509 00:20:06,770 --> 00:20:09,468 I need an extra set of eyes and ears. 510 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,340 [GRUNTS] 511 00:20:13,341 --> 00:20:14,734 Morning, fellas. 512 00:20:14,778 --> 00:20:17,432 Well, isn't this a nice surprise? 513 00:20:17,476 --> 00:20:19,391 I was just reading about you in the newspaper here. 514 00:20:19,434 --> 00:20:20,784 At least I think it's you. 515 00:20:20,827 --> 00:20:22,437 The way they spelled your name made it sound 516 00:20:22,481 --> 00:20:24,962 like you're a part of somebody's digestive system. 517 00:20:25,005 --> 00:20:26,453 "Benny Colon." 518 00:20:26,477 --> 00:20:28,531 [LAUGHS] 519 00:20:28,574 --> 00:20:31,429 Seriously, man, congratulations. You got my vote. 520 00:20:31,466 --> 00:20:34,849 Yeah, that's just 'cause you want your old office back. 521 00:20:35,042 --> 00:20:37,218 So you made the announcement last night? 522 00:20:37,243 --> 00:20:38,940 Not me, personally, but yeah. 523 00:20:38,965 --> 00:20:41,054 It's finally out there. 524 00:20:41,079 --> 00:20:43,168 I think they were afraid if they didn't announce it soon, 525 00:20:43,193 --> 00:20:45,543 - I was going to change my mind. - [GAVEL BANGS] 526 00:20:45,809 --> 00:20:47,019 GROSSMAN: Dr. Collier, 527 00:20:47,095 --> 00:20:49,767 the defendant, Dr. Kinsey, in her deposition, claims 528 00:20:49,792 --> 00:20:54,090 that she successfully deployed a REBOA for over one hour 529 00:20:54,115 --> 00:20:58,557 in a Colonel Mark Winston during her service in Afghanistan. 530 00:20:58,582 --> 00:21:02,045 Now, you were part of the treatment team at Landstuhl 531 00:21:02,070 --> 00:21:04,333 - for that same soldier, correct? - Correct. 532 00:21:04,358 --> 00:21:07,274 Can you tell us about Colonel Winston's injuries? 533 00:21:07,439 --> 00:21:11,092 Winston's unit was hit with an improvised explosive device 534 00:21:11,117 --> 00:21:12,466 in Afghanistan. 535 00:21:12,491 --> 00:21:14,493 He suffered massive abdominal wounds 536 00:21:14,518 --> 00:21:17,303 and had to be transferred to the Kandahar base for surgery, 537 00:21:17,328 --> 00:21:19,765 and then to us in Landstuhl for further treatment. 538 00:21:19,949 --> 00:21:22,255 He survived the transports, but died in our care 539 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:23,760 eight days later. 540 00:21:23,785 --> 00:21:24,960 Oh, no... 541 00:21:25,109 --> 00:21:27,383 GROSSMAN: Were his wounds just too severe? 542 00:21:27,408 --> 00:21:30,843 His wounds were very severe. But that's not what killed him. 543 00:21:30,941 --> 00:21:33,523 Well, then, what did? 544 00:21:33,548 --> 00:21:35,593 Well, as you mentioned, the medical team 545 00:21:35,618 --> 00:21:37,358 who performed the initial transport in Afghanistan, 546 00:21:37,383 --> 00:21:39,691 the one supervised by Dr. Kinsey, 547 00:21:39,761 --> 00:21:43,849 used a REBOA to keep the colonel from hemorrhaging during flight. 548 00:21:44,212 --> 00:21:47,215 Unfortunately, the transport took an hour, 549 00:21:47,479 --> 00:21:50,641 and that's a long time to cut off someone's blood supply. 550 00:21:50,821 --> 00:21:53,301 So you're saying it was the REBOA 551 00:21:53,326 --> 00:21:55,546 that led to Colonel Winston's death? 552 00:21:55,571 --> 00:21:56,891 Essentially, yes. 553 00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:58,991 The REBOA pretty much killed his legs, 554 00:21:59,303 --> 00:22:01,641 and Winston ultimately died of sepsis. 555 00:22:01,896 --> 00:22:03,071 GROSSMAN: But this didn't happen 556 00:22:03,096 --> 00:22:05,664 in the case of Ryan Watkins, did it? 557 00:22:05,689 --> 00:22:08,301 Same cause, different complication. 558 00:22:08,488 --> 00:22:11,186 In Mr. Watkins' case, it wasn't his legs, 559 00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:13,356 but the end result was the same. 560 00:22:13,381 --> 00:22:17,124 So, in your professional opinion, was it reasonable 561 00:22:17,149 --> 00:22:21,109 for Dr. Kinsey to assume that she could successfully deploy 562 00:22:21,134 --> 00:22:24,528 a REBOA for such a lengthy period of time 563 00:22:24,553 --> 00:22:27,469 in either Colonel Winston or, for that matter, 564 00:22:27,554 --> 00:22:29,904 in the case of Ryan Watkins? 565 00:22:30,522 --> 00:22:31,808 No. 566 00:22:31,935 --> 00:22:34,938 You just can't keep it in that long and expect it to work. 567 00:22:35,135 --> 00:22:37,398 GROSSMAN: No further questions. 568 00:22:37,442 --> 00:22:39,058 Your witness, Mr. Palmer. 569 00:22:39,219 --> 00:22:41,265 Ask the judge for a short recess. 570 00:22:41,290 --> 00:22:43,466 I think the two of us should confer with Benny. 571 00:22:43,815 --> 00:22:45,251 I got this. 572 00:22:46,756 --> 00:22:50,716 Okay, I just listened to your testimony, Dr. Collier, 573 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,397 and I have to tell you I'm a little confused. 574 00:22:53,422 --> 00:22:54,995 Let me see if I can't help you, then. 575 00:22:55,020 --> 00:22:58,023 CHUNK: Great. So, let's start back at the beginning. 576 00:22:58,259 --> 00:23:00,131 A patient like Colonel Winston, 577 00:23:00,434 --> 00:23:02,683 all these abdominal wounds... 578 00:23:03,888 --> 00:23:06,586 There any way he's gonna survive a 60-minute transport 579 00:23:06,611 --> 00:23:09,391 without some sort of hemorrhage control? 580 00:23:11,461 --> 00:23:13,217 - No. - And without some sort 581 00:23:13,241 --> 00:23:14,507 of hemorrhage control, 582 00:23:14,784 --> 00:23:17,656 how quickly is someone in the colonel's condition 583 00:23:17,700 --> 00:23:21,183 likely to bleed out? 30 minutes? 584 00:23:22,735 --> 00:23:24,607 15 minutes? 585 00:23:26,644 --> 00:23:29,603 Would he have even lasted five minutes? 586 00:23:31,021 --> 00:23:32,192 Less than five minutes. 587 00:23:32,238 --> 00:23:34,309 CHUNK: So the options were either 588 00:23:34,334 --> 00:23:36,199 let the patient die on the helicopter, 589 00:23:36,224 --> 00:23:40,185 or deploy this REBOA and get him to a facility 590 00:23:40,210 --> 00:23:43,170 where he could be treated and possibly saved? 591 00:23:43,766 --> 00:23:45,466 Isn't that correct? 592 00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:48,252 - Basically, yes. - So the REBOA 593 00:23:48,277 --> 00:23:50,183 bought him time. 594 00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:53,501 In fact, it bought him eight days, didn't it? 595 00:23:53,533 --> 00:23:55,849 Because had it not been used, 596 00:23:56,260 --> 00:23:59,306 he would have died on day one. Isn't that correct? 597 00:23:59,350 --> 00:24:00,644 Yes, that would be correct. 598 00:24:00,669 --> 00:24:01,908 So let me ask you a question. 599 00:24:01,933 --> 00:24:03,152 During the time that you were 600 00:24:03,486 --> 00:24:05,879 treating the colonel in Landstuhl, 601 00:24:05,904 --> 00:24:08,472 did his family come to see him? 602 00:24:08,497 --> 00:24:10,516 His wife, his son? 603 00:24:11,096 --> 00:24:12,880 Yes, I believe they did. 604 00:24:12,991 --> 00:24:16,734 So the REBOA, the dreaded REBOA, 605 00:24:16,759 --> 00:24:20,415 actually allowed the colonel to have eight more days 606 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,683 to spend with his family and to say goodbye to them? 607 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:25,782 Isn't that correct? 608 00:24:26,391 --> 00:24:27,808 Yes. 609 00:24:27,994 --> 00:24:29,516 I suppose it did. 610 00:24:30,381 --> 00:24:32,058 Sounds like Dr. Kinsey 611 00:24:32,183 --> 00:24:34,318 - made the right choice to me. - GROSSMAN: Objection! 612 00:24:34,343 --> 00:24:36,299 Counsel is testifying. 613 00:24:36,324 --> 00:24:37,543 RAND: Objection sustained. 614 00:24:37,568 --> 00:24:39,808 The jury will ignore counsel's last question. 615 00:24:39,907 --> 00:24:43,085 I do apologize, Your Honor. No further questions. 616 00:24:43,829 --> 00:24:47,751 Gosh, I knew him when he used to tell clients what color shirts 617 00:24:47,778 --> 00:24:49,891 to wear to their depositions. 618 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,941 Very impressive cross-examination, Chunk. 619 00:24:53,965 --> 00:24:55,066 Thank you. 620 00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:56,933 I'm glad you think so, Counselor. 621 00:24:57,593 --> 00:25:01,467 Mr. Palmer, the next time I tell you to ask for a short recess, 622 00:25:01,491 --> 00:25:03,492 ask for a short recess. 623 00:25:03,762 --> 00:25:05,416 Bull, the man did great. 624 00:25:05,459 --> 00:25:06,750 And then we will go out into the hall, 625 00:25:06,793 --> 00:25:08,836 you will share your thoughts, I will share my thoughts, 626 00:25:08,879 --> 00:25:11,055 and Mr. Colón, who is not yet the city's D.A., 627 00:25:11,081 --> 00:25:12,407 will offer his point of view, 628 00:25:12,471 --> 00:25:14,904 and then I will decide what we are going to do. 629 00:25:14,947 --> 00:25:17,349 Do we all understand each other? 630 00:25:18,516 --> 00:25:20,594 Well, I understand what you're saying, 631 00:25:20,619 --> 00:25:22,741 but I don't know why you're saying it. 632 00:25:22,766 --> 00:25:24,308 Because you got lucky, Chunk. 633 00:25:25,285 --> 00:25:27,244 We walked into court today knowing very little 634 00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:28,445 about that doctor. 635 00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:30,516 We didn't even know why she was testifying. 636 00:25:30,541 --> 00:25:32,674 She could have just as easily answered your question 637 00:25:32,699 --> 00:25:35,441 that it was her medical skill that kept that man alive 638 00:25:35,466 --> 00:25:37,250 for eight days, and it would have been 20 639 00:25:37,275 --> 00:25:39,016 had our client not used a REBOA. 640 00:25:39,343 --> 00:25:41,562 But she didn't say any of that, did she? 641 00:25:41,587 --> 00:25:43,333 Don't confuse luck with skill. 642 00:25:43,358 --> 00:25:44,620 I'm not confused. 643 00:25:44,645 --> 00:25:46,121 I took a shot and it paid off. 644 00:25:46,146 --> 00:25:48,148 Well, we don't take shots with other people's lives 645 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,609 and livelihoods, and we don't ask questions 646 00:25:50,634 --> 00:25:51,824 we don't know the answers to. 647 00:25:51,849 --> 00:25:54,330 And we certainly don't ignore the opportunity 648 00:25:54,355 --> 00:25:57,184 to compare notes with two people whose combined experience 649 00:25:57,209 --> 00:26:00,299 equals almost as much time as you've been on the planet. 650 00:26:04,525 --> 00:26:06,571 He's running for office, you're going rogue. 651 00:26:08,614 --> 00:26:10,094 Believe me, I'd go to court 652 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,125 and ask the questions myself if I could. 653 00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:13,216 [SCOFFS] 654 00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:21,854 Sorry. Sorry, sorry. 655 00:26:22,078 --> 00:26:24,080 I couldn't get a cab. I ended up taking the subway. 656 00:26:24,105 --> 00:26:25,933 And forgive me, I never got a chance 657 00:26:25,958 --> 00:26:28,286 to tell you how impressive you were yesterday, 658 00:26:28,311 --> 00:26:29,943 cross-examining that doctor from San Antonio. 659 00:26:29,968 --> 00:26:32,487 Thank you. Just got lucky. 660 00:26:32,512 --> 00:26:34,166 KINSEY: Whatever. It worked. 661 00:26:34,210 --> 00:26:36,255 So, what does today hold? 662 00:26:36,299 --> 00:26:38,369 That's what we're here to ask you. 663 00:26:38,393 --> 00:26:40,791 The first witness up today is Nurse Darna Bautista. 664 00:26:40,816 --> 00:26:43,774 Now, she worked with you the night that Mr. Watkins died. 665 00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:45,258 Any idea what she's gonna say? 666 00:26:45,283 --> 00:26:46,205 [SCOFFS] 667 00:26:46,229 --> 00:26:47,709 That I'm a bitch. 668 00:26:47,734 --> 00:26:49,833 She idolizes Dr. Park. 669 00:26:49,926 --> 00:26:51,580 When I said I wasn't gonna do things 670 00:26:51,623 --> 00:26:54,104 in exactly the way... in exactly the order 671 00:26:54,148 --> 00:26:55,932 that Dr. Park indicated, 672 00:26:55,976 --> 00:26:57,804 she looked like she was gonna have a stroke. 673 00:26:57,847 --> 00:26:59,936 When you say she idolizes Dr. Park, 674 00:26:59,980 --> 00:27:02,896 what does that mean? They were friends? Lovers? 675 00:27:02,939 --> 00:27:04,420 No, I don't think so. 676 00:27:04,456 --> 00:27:06,984 I just know she thinks he walks on water. 677 00:27:07,770 --> 00:27:10,207 Nurse Bautista, you were one of the ER nurses 678 00:27:10,232 --> 00:27:12,547 working at Mercy the evening of the shooting? 679 00:27:12,572 --> 00:27:13,834 Yes, I was. 680 00:27:13,859 --> 00:27:15,948 I was providing care for Ryan Watkins. 681 00:27:16,125 --> 00:27:18,136 First under the supervision of Dr. Park, 682 00:27:18,161 --> 00:27:20,807 and then under the supervision of Dr. Kinsey. 683 00:27:20,832 --> 00:27:23,500 And did you have occasion to tell Dr. Kinsey 684 00:27:23,525 --> 00:27:24,961 anything about her patient? 685 00:27:25,309 --> 00:27:26,702 I did. 686 00:27:26,745 --> 00:27:30,271 I'm guessing you're talking about normal medical information 687 00:27:30,314 --> 00:27:32,572 that a doctor might expect a nurse to provide. 688 00:27:32,596 --> 00:27:33,747 Yes. 689 00:27:34,150 --> 00:27:36,484 But I also shared something else with her. 690 00:27:36,907 --> 00:27:39,257 Something I shouldn't have shared. 691 00:27:39,561 --> 00:27:41,199 Something that wasn't true, 692 00:27:41,224 --> 00:27:42,734 although I didn't know it at the time. 693 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,252 What did she say to you? 694 00:27:44,277 --> 00:27:46,758 I honestly don't know. Nothing beyond the usual. 695 00:27:46,783 --> 00:27:48,742 GROSSMAN: And what was that? 696 00:27:49,159 --> 00:27:53,025 You have to understand, it was chaos that night. 697 00:27:53,224 --> 00:27:55,484 There was all kinds of misinformation flying around. 698 00:27:55,605 --> 00:27:57,607 At one point we heard there were three gunmen. 699 00:27:57,632 --> 00:27:59,068 At another point, somebody wrote a tweet 700 00:27:59,093 --> 00:28:01,184 that the shooting was a terrorist operation. 701 00:28:01,209 --> 00:28:04,106 We understand how stressful this situation 702 00:28:04,136 --> 00:28:06,410 must have been for you, Ms. Bautista, 703 00:28:06,439 --> 00:28:10,007 but what is it you said to Dr. Kinsey? 704 00:28:11,181 --> 00:28:15,412 When EMS brought in Mr. Watkins into the ER that night... 705 00:28:17,187 --> 00:28:21,942 I was led to believe that he, um, Mr. Watkins... 706 00:28:22,714 --> 00:28:24,064 was the shooter. 707 00:28:25,282 --> 00:28:28,111 And you shared that with Dr. Kinsey? 708 00:28:28,155 --> 00:28:29,417 Yes, I did. 709 00:28:29,460 --> 00:28:30,940 Obviously, I don't know if that 710 00:28:30,984 --> 00:28:33,167 had anything to do with Dr. Kinsey's decision, 711 00:28:33,434 --> 00:28:35,287 but I know it would have affected me 712 00:28:35,312 --> 00:28:36,836 if I had been in her shoes. 713 00:28:36,861 --> 00:28:38,689 Objection. The witness is speculating, 714 00:28:38,714 --> 00:28:40,000 offering her opinion. 715 00:28:40,025 --> 00:28:42,245 Sustained. Jury will ignore. 716 00:28:42,270 --> 00:28:45,796 GROSSMAN: So, Nurse Bautista, in a situation like this, 717 00:28:45,821 --> 00:28:48,694 is it a doctor's job to determine 718 00:28:48,719 --> 00:28:53,202 whose life is more valuable, who deserves to be saved? 719 00:28:53,227 --> 00:28:56,883 Your Honor, opposing counsel is soliciting the witness's opinion 720 00:28:56,908 --> 00:28:58,213 using different phrasing. 721 00:28:58,238 --> 00:29:00,066 Sustained. Ms. Grossman, 722 00:29:00,091 --> 00:29:03,051 the ice is paper-thin where you're standing. 723 00:29:03,076 --> 00:29:04,556 You understand me? 724 00:29:04,581 --> 00:29:06,757 I do, Your Honor, and I withdraw the question. 725 00:29:07,116 --> 00:29:08,726 No further questions. 726 00:29:08,891 --> 00:29:11,067 I promise you, I have no recollection of anyone saying 727 00:29:11,111 --> 00:29:12,634 that any of the people we were trying to save 728 00:29:12,677 --> 00:29:13,765 that night might have been the shooter. 729 00:29:13,809 --> 00:29:15,046 I know, I know. 730 00:29:15,071 --> 00:29:17,073 Ask for a short recess. 731 00:29:19,249 --> 00:29:22,818 Okay, we basically have two choices. 732 00:29:22,861 --> 00:29:25,777 We can go back in there and say we have 733 00:29:25,821 --> 00:29:27,506 no more questions for the nurse 734 00:29:27,531 --> 00:29:29,837 and start our case by putting on Dr. Kinsey. 735 00:29:29,862 --> 00:29:31,255 That's a horrible choice. 736 00:29:31,410 --> 00:29:33,108 Or we go back in there and say we have no questions 737 00:29:33,133 --> 00:29:35,650 for the nurse and rest our case as well, 738 00:29:35,675 --> 00:29:37,895 and stake everything on closing arguments. 739 00:29:38,268 --> 00:29:41,484 Oh, my God, so we're just... giving up? 740 00:29:41,597 --> 00:29:43,599 With all due respect, Dr. Bull, 741 00:29:43,624 --> 00:29:45,234 but why wouldn't you want me to go back in there 742 00:29:45,259 --> 00:29:46,500 and grill that nurse? 743 00:29:46,525 --> 00:29:48,048 Get her to admit that she never said those things. 744 00:29:48,073 --> 00:29:49,858 And how are you gonna do that? 745 00:29:50,454 --> 00:29:53,849 How are you going to prove someone didn't say something? 746 00:29:53,892 --> 00:29:55,692 How are you gonna prove a negative? 747 00:29:56,417 --> 00:29:58,053 It's just gonna be her word against ours, 748 00:29:58,078 --> 00:30:00,472 and no one is accusing her of having allowed someone to die. 749 00:30:00,497 --> 00:30:02,671 But we can't let that jury think that 750 00:30:02,696 --> 00:30:04,698 what that nurse said is the truth. 751 00:30:06,759 --> 00:30:08,935 That's why we're gonna put Dr. Kinsey on the stand. 752 00:30:09,299 --> 00:30:12,041 You can deny having heard it. 753 00:30:12,085 --> 00:30:15,752 And, yes, it will still be your word against the nurse's, 754 00:30:15,777 --> 00:30:19,117 but at least we will have answered the accusation. 755 00:30:19,163 --> 00:30:21,078 It will be on the record. 756 00:30:21,745 --> 00:30:23,063 And then we will get you off the stand 757 00:30:23,088 --> 00:30:25,317 as quickly as possible and move on to closing arguments. 758 00:30:25,378 --> 00:30:28,067 So, wait, there are no other witnesses? 759 00:30:28,666 --> 00:30:30,490 What about the people I saved that night? 760 00:30:30,515 --> 00:30:31,917 - Their family members. - BULL: No. 761 00:30:32,190 --> 00:30:34,802 The second we swear them in, opposing counsel will challenge 762 00:30:34,827 --> 00:30:38,701 on the basis of relevance, and we will lose. 763 00:30:38,928 --> 00:30:40,669 Because your ability to help them 764 00:30:40,694 --> 00:30:43,914 isn't relevant to the question of whether you were reckless 765 00:30:43,939 --> 00:30:46,115 in your treatment of Mr. Watkins. 766 00:30:47,404 --> 00:30:49,400 I'm sorry, it just isn't. 767 00:30:50,340 --> 00:30:51,646 CHUNK: Dr. Kinsey, 768 00:30:51,689 --> 00:30:54,301 do you recall Nurse Bautista telling you 769 00:30:54,344 --> 00:30:57,609 that Ryan Watkins, the man whose life you were trying to save, 770 00:30:57,932 --> 00:31:00,369 was in fact the man who killed 38 people 771 00:31:00,394 --> 00:31:03,489 at the "We Are All from Somewhere Else" demonstration? 772 00:31:03,514 --> 00:31:07,731 No. I have no recollection of that. None. 773 00:31:08,271 --> 00:31:11,379 And for what it's worth, had she told me, 774 00:31:11,418 --> 00:31:14,034 it would have made no difference in my decision-making 775 00:31:14,064 --> 00:31:16,567 with regard to Mr. Watkins' care that night. 776 00:31:17,230 --> 00:31:19,101 It's my job to help people, 777 00:31:19,239 --> 00:31:20,750 not to judge them. 778 00:31:20,912 --> 00:31:24,568 So tell us, why'd you do what you did? 779 00:31:25,299 --> 00:31:28,389 Why'd you defy your superior and decide to work 780 00:31:28,414 --> 00:31:29,984 on someone else first? 781 00:31:31,648 --> 00:31:33,302 Once Dr. Park left 782 00:31:33,327 --> 00:31:36,330 and I had a chance to examine Mr. Watkins for myself, 783 00:31:37,150 --> 00:31:40,390 I realized, he was really far gone. 784 00:31:40,434 --> 00:31:45,484 The likelihood of us saving him that night in the OR was slim at best. 785 00:31:46,179 --> 00:31:48,593 It was also clear to me that whatever we did, 786 00:31:48,632 --> 00:31:50,317 it was going to take hours. 787 00:31:51,117 --> 00:31:52,814 So when I saw that young woman, 788 00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:55,668 and realized with about a half an hour 789 00:31:55,884 --> 00:31:58,984 I could get her to a place where she could pull through... 790 00:32:01,775 --> 00:32:03,442 I... I had no choice. 791 00:32:04,762 --> 00:32:08,723 And what did Dr. Park say later on that night 792 00:32:08,748 --> 00:32:11,484 when he found out that Mr. Watkins didn't make it? 793 00:32:12,727 --> 00:32:15,556 I actually didn't see Dr. Park the rest of the night. 794 00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:17,917 I mean, there were literally hundreds of people 795 00:32:17,942 --> 00:32:20,640 seeking treatment; I was pretty much on my own. 796 00:32:20,665 --> 00:32:22,406 So working on your own, 797 00:32:22,606 --> 00:32:24,525 without any supervision, 798 00:32:24,978 --> 00:32:28,895 how many people did you personally save that night? 799 00:32:29,984 --> 00:32:32,974 I... I'm not really sure how you would define "saved." 800 00:32:33,002 --> 00:32:35,817 How many people would have died that night 801 00:32:35,842 --> 00:32:37,650 without you having treated them? 802 00:32:38,525 --> 00:32:41,321 At least five that I'm aware of. 803 00:32:41,817 --> 00:32:43,366 CHUNK: Five. 804 00:32:44,192 --> 00:32:46,152 No further questions, Your Honor. 805 00:32:46,442 --> 00:32:47,502 RAND: Very well. 806 00:32:47,527 --> 00:32:50,211 Does the plaintiff have any questions for the witness? 807 00:32:50,236 --> 00:32:52,630 I do, Your Honor. 808 00:32:53,016 --> 00:32:54,148 Just one. 809 00:32:54,725 --> 00:32:56,249 So... 810 00:32:56,292 --> 00:33:00,688 you believe that you saved five lives that night? 811 00:33:02,145 --> 00:33:04,539 And how many do you believe you lost? 812 00:33:04,996 --> 00:33:06,275 CHUNK: Objection! 813 00:33:06,388 --> 00:33:07,775 Asked and answered. 814 00:33:08,556 --> 00:33:11,254 Never mind. I withdraw the question. 815 00:33:16,069 --> 00:33:18,941 On August 25th, as hundreds of people 816 00:33:18,984 --> 00:33:21,117 prepared to defy the COVID virus 817 00:33:21,142 --> 00:33:22,796 and stage a mass protest of our government's 818 00:33:22,821 --> 00:33:25,519 policies towards people born in other countries 819 00:33:25,544 --> 00:33:27,154 who dream of better lives in America... 820 00:33:27,488 --> 00:33:29,368 I think you're gonna turn the jury off. 821 00:33:29,393 --> 00:33:30,612 These images are so disturbing, 822 00:33:30,637 --> 00:33:32,667 I can't even hear what Chunk is saying. 823 00:33:32,694 --> 00:33:34,043 CHUNK: ...on these shores... Chunk. 824 00:33:34,369 --> 00:33:38,439 Marissa is worried that the images are too violent, 825 00:33:38,482 --> 00:33:40,180 that they're gonna turn the jury off. 826 00:33:40,223 --> 00:33:41,619 Well, I disagree. 827 00:33:42,494 --> 00:33:45,141 The more graphic, the more in your face, the better. 828 00:33:45,185 --> 00:33:46,850 See, you're trying to make the jury understand 829 00:33:46,875 --> 00:33:48,863 what it must have been like for Dr. Kinsey, 830 00:33:48,927 --> 00:33:50,842 standing in the middle of all that, 831 00:33:50,886 --> 00:33:53,452 trying to save as many lives as possible. 832 00:33:53,712 --> 00:33:55,453 Do you do what you're told 833 00:33:55,478 --> 00:33:57,001 or do you do what you know is right? 834 00:33:57,371 --> 00:34:00,915 - I second that. - Yeah, but you're ex-law enforcement. 835 00:34:00,939 --> 00:34:02,158 You've seen a lot of blood and guts 836 00:34:02,202 --> 00:34:04,552 in your life. I mean, we've got a nursery school teacher 837 00:34:04,595 --> 00:34:06,336 on the jury. A seminary student... 838 00:34:06,380 --> 00:34:07,424 Wait a minute. 839 00:34:07,468 --> 00:34:08,730 [CLEARS THROAT] 840 00:34:08,773 --> 00:34:11,428 Taylor, back it up about 30 seconds. 841 00:34:15,302 --> 00:34:17,869 Okay, okay. Stop it right there. 842 00:34:18,609 --> 00:34:21,699 Isn't this the guy who testified against our client? 843 00:34:21,743 --> 00:34:24,615 Told our client to operate on Ryan Watkins first? 844 00:34:24,659 --> 00:34:26,051 Her direct superior? 845 00:34:26,095 --> 00:34:28,032 Yeah, that's him. That's Dr. Park. 846 00:34:28,057 --> 00:34:30,452 Watch what he does. Unfreeze it, Taylor. 847 00:34:35,583 --> 00:34:37,452 BULL: Oh, freeze that. 848 00:34:38,063 --> 00:34:41,013 Weird thing to do. Especially in the middle of COVID. 849 00:34:41,038 --> 00:34:42,561 He knows her. 850 00:34:43,221 --> 00:34:44,396 CHUNK: 8:28 in the evening. 851 00:34:44,421 --> 00:34:47,076 About ten minutes after Dr. Kinsey arrived. 852 00:34:47,631 --> 00:34:50,678 And this is the patient that Dr. Park took to the OR 853 00:34:50,703 --> 00:34:53,706 when he told Dr. Kinsey to take care of Ryan. 854 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,420 DANNY: Okay. I'm-I'm lost. 855 00:34:57,466 --> 00:34:58,736 That's two of us. 856 00:34:58,780 --> 00:35:00,651 What are you guys getting at? 857 00:35:00,695 --> 00:35:02,958 Well, we always said this was a case about lifeboat ethics, 858 00:35:03,001 --> 00:35:06,353 we just didn't know there was a whole other boat involved. 859 00:35:06,396 --> 00:35:07,789 [SCOFFS] 860 00:35:09,269 --> 00:35:11,358 Between now and tomorrow morning, 861 00:35:11,401 --> 00:35:12,968 I need you to find out everything that you can 862 00:35:13,011 --> 00:35:14,494 about that woman on the gurney. 863 00:35:15,666 --> 00:35:17,755 I'll be damned if I go back into that courtroom 864 00:35:17,780 --> 00:35:20,391 and ask a question I don't already know the answer to. 865 00:35:22,412 --> 00:35:23,761 Your Honor, 866 00:35:23,805 --> 00:35:27,112 with your permission... I know that we already rested our case... 867 00:35:27,156 --> 00:35:29,245 But before we begin closing arguments, 868 00:35:29,289 --> 00:35:31,698 the defense would like to call one last witness. 869 00:35:31,722 --> 00:35:33,715 Actually, we would like to recall 870 00:35:33,764 --> 00:35:35,382 one last witness. 871 00:35:35,425 --> 00:35:38,077 If Dr. Park could take the stand. 872 00:35:38,347 --> 00:35:39,827 Dr. Park, I appreciate you 873 00:35:39,852 --> 00:35:42,942 coming in last minute to testify in court today. 874 00:35:43,564 --> 00:35:45,952 Now, I have to be honest with you, 875 00:35:46,122 --> 00:35:47,732 I need your help. 876 00:35:47,989 --> 00:35:52,211 I've actually never served on a medical malpractice case before. 877 00:35:52,355 --> 00:35:55,663 And I'd be dishonest with you if I told you that I had 878 00:35:55,706 --> 00:35:59,077 any understanding whatsoever of medical ethics. 879 00:35:59,543 --> 00:36:00,849 How it all works. 880 00:36:00,965 --> 00:36:03,011 What it means. Now, you, 881 00:36:03,036 --> 00:36:05,560 as the head surgeon at Mercy Hospital, 882 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,285 this is something you know a lot about, am I right? 883 00:36:09,937 --> 00:36:12,287 Actually, I've written a number of papers, 884 00:36:12,312 --> 00:36:15,663 presided over a number of seminars on the topic, yes. 885 00:36:15,903 --> 00:36:16,991 CHUNK: So... 886 00:36:17,016 --> 00:36:18,887 baseline question. 887 00:36:19,164 --> 00:36:23,096 What happens when doctors let their personal feelings 888 00:36:23,127 --> 00:36:25,693 get in the way of treating a patient? 889 00:36:26,784 --> 00:36:29,222 Well, all kinds of bad things can happen. 890 00:36:29,247 --> 00:36:31,380 Physicians have been known to freeze, 891 00:36:31,405 --> 00:36:33,407 to second-guess themselves. 892 00:36:33,701 --> 00:36:38,649 But I guess the biggest concern you see and hear about 893 00:36:38,674 --> 00:36:40,850 is doctors making bad calls 894 00:36:40,875 --> 00:36:42,442 because they're not thinking clearly. 895 00:36:42,467 --> 00:36:44,643 They're not thinking critically. 896 00:36:44,929 --> 00:36:46,035 Thank you. 897 00:36:46,362 --> 00:36:47,537 Thank you, Dr. Park. 898 00:36:47,562 --> 00:36:49,827 Thanks for clearing that up for me. 899 00:36:50,687 --> 00:36:51,949 Oh. 900 00:36:53,806 --> 00:36:57,327 Actually, just one last thing. 901 00:36:58,267 --> 00:36:59,519 [SIGHS] 902 00:36:59,543 --> 00:37:02,184 When they brought Ryan Watkins in that night, 903 00:37:02,442 --> 00:37:04,922 how many patients did they bring in with him? 904 00:37:07,032 --> 00:37:08,947 Including Ryan, three. 905 00:37:08,972 --> 00:37:11,148 - He and two others. - Okay. 906 00:37:11,173 --> 00:37:13,161 So we know that you told Dr. Kinsey 907 00:37:13,186 --> 00:37:15,952 to operate on Ryan Watkins first. 908 00:37:16,754 --> 00:37:18,887 Now, that person she actually chose to treat, 909 00:37:18,912 --> 00:37:20,392 did she come in with Ryan? 910 00:37:20,421 --> 00:37:21,422 Yes. 911 00:37:21,447 --> 00:37:22,840 And what about the third? 912 00:37:22,865 --> 00:37:25,520 Did we ever hear about what happened to the third? 913 00:37:26,561 --> 00:37:29,564 I took her up to the OR for immediate surgery. 914 00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:30,851 I see. 915 00:37:30,876 --> 00:37:33,444 And-and what was the extent of her injuries? 916 00:37:33,891 --> 00:37:35,660 She had been shot in the shoulder. 917 00:37:35,864 --> 00:37:38,127 CHUNK: And would you say that her injuries were 918 00:37:38,152 --> 00:37:40,502 more urgent than the abdominal gunshot wound 919 00:37:40,527 --> 00:37:42,573 suffered by Ryan Watkins? 920 00:37:42,846 --> 00:37:47,286 Or the hemopneumothorax that Dr. Kinsey treated? 921 00:37:51,788 --> 00:37:53,050 Dr. Park? 922 00:37:53,215 --> 00:37:55,739 I need you to answer the question. 923 00:37:56,317 --> 00:37:58,623 No. I would not say her injuries 924 00:37:58,648 --> 00:38:01,216 were more urgent than those sustained 925 00:38:01,241 --> 00:38:03,287 by the two patients you asked me about. 926 00:38:03,820 --> 00:38:05,344 That's odd. 927 00:38:05,369 --> 00:38:08,244 So if her injuries were less than severe, 928 00:38:08,461 --> 00:38:11,682 why did you decide to operate on her first? 929 00:38:16,238 --> 00:38:19,589 Dr. Park, did you know the patient that you worked on? 930 00:38:21,926 --> 00:38:22,971 Yes. 931 00:38:24,016 --> 00:38:25,077 Personally? 932 00:38:25,537 --> 00:38:26,886 Yes. 933 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:35,010 She's Nurse Bautista's 20-year-old daughter. 934 00:38:37,518 --> 00:38:39,085 My goddaughter. 935 00:38:40,654 --> 00:38:43,570 So is that why you treated her first? 936 00:38:45,749 --> 00:38:47,664 If you had not known that patient, 937 00:38:47,689 --> 00:38:50,213 if you had not let this affect you, 938 00:38:50,238 --> 00:38:52,936 who would you have taken up to that operating room? 939 00:38:55,325 --> 00:38:57,371 [VOICE BREAKING]: Ryan Watkins. 940 00:38:58,914 --> 00:39:00,952 CHUNK: So if there was 941 00:39:01,495 --> 00:39:03,758 an error in judgment that night, 942 00:39:03,783 --> 00:39:06,308 it was not Dr. Kinsey's, 943 00:39:06,333 --> 00:39:07,827 was it? 944 00:39:08,478 --> 00:39:10,611 No. It was not. 945 00:39:15,717 --> 00:39:18,459 [WHISPERS]: I told you he was the right man for the job. 946 00:39:24,632 --> 00:39:26,416 CHUNK: Can you stop all that racket? 947 00:39:26,486 --> 00:39:28,966 Some of us are in the midst of our own private euphorias 948 00:39:28,991 --> 00:39:31,827 and you're ruining it with the sound of all this manual labor. 949 00:39:32,386 --> 00:39:33,604 Well, well, well. 950 00:39:33,629 --> 00:39:35,936 - If it isn't Clarence Darrow. - [CHUNK CHUCKLES] 951 00:39:36,265 --> 00:39:38,572 Hey. Congratulations again. 952 00:39:38,597 --> 00:39:40,121 You killed it today. 953 00:39:40,146 --> 00:39:41,582 [LAUGHS] I did. 954 00:39:41,607 --> 00:39:43,043 BENNY: Yeah. 955 00:39:43,068 --> 00:39:45,983 What brings you out on this cold and wintery night? 956 00:39:46,415 --> 00:39:48,244 Couldn't sleep. 957 00:39:48,432 --> 00:39:51,087 I'd close my eyes and I'd keep seeing 958 00:39:51,112 --> 00:39:53,331 the jury handing down that verdict. 959 00:39:53,487 --> 00:39:54,966 That look of satisfaction 960 00:39:54,991 --> 00:39:57,472 and pride on Bull's face. [CHUCKLES] 961 00:39:57,497 --> 00:39:59,978 The gratitude on Dr. Kinsey's. 962 00:40:00,139 --> 00:40:03,620 I'm a grown man and it is embarrassing to be this much 963 00:40:03,645 --> 00:40:05,827 in love with what you do for a living, you know? 964 00:40:06,359 --> 00:40:11,102 Anyway, I, uh, I got out, took a walk. 965 00:40:11,127 --> 00:40:12,372 Tried to clear my head. 966 00:40:12,397 --> 00:40:14,312 Walked across the bridge when suddenly I realized, 967 00:40:14,337 --> 00:40:15,816 I might die of frostbite 968 00:40:15,984 --> 00:40:18,813 and I'm in desperate need of a clean bathroom. 969 00:40:19,083 --> 00:40:20,955 Mention my name, you get a good seat. 970 00:40:20,980 --> 00:40:22,286 I already did. 971 00:40:22,311 --> 00:40:23,790 [LAUGHS] 972 00:40:25,053 --> 00:40:28,910 You know, the other night in Bull's SUV? 973 00:40:30,131 --> 00:40:31,619 I was ready to quit. 974 00:40:32,207 --> 00:40:35,167 Mm. I figured. 975 00:40:35,192 --> 00:40:37,368 I've been ready to quit about a half a dozen times 976 00:40:37,393 --> 00:40:38,481 over the years. 977 00:40:38,506 --> 00:40:39,594 Really? 978 00:40:39,927 --> 00:40:41,842 What stopped you? 979 00:40:42,647 --> 00:40:44,432 I don't know. 980 00:40:44,628 --> 00:40:47,544 I get one foot out the door, 981 00:40:47,569 --> 00:40:50,615 and then I realize he was mostly right 982 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,600 about whatever it was he was saying or talking about. 983 00:40:54,888 --> 00:40:58,500 Plus, I think we make each other smarter. 984 00:40:58,651 --> 00:40:59,956 Better. 985 00:41:01,812 --> 00:41:05,686 He's a really, really smart dude, Chunk. 986 00:41:05,711 --> 00:41:07,974 And I don't think he would want you around 987 00:41:07,999 --> 00:41:10,741 if he didn't think you were a smart dude, too. 988 00:41:14,024 --> 00:41:16,119 Congratulations again, Chunk. 989 00:41:16,457 --> 00:41:17,980 Now, if you'll excuse me, 990 00:41:18,337 --> 00:41:20,295 I got to finish my interior decorating 991 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,285 so I can go home and get some sleep. 992 00:41:31,013 --> 00:41:32,493 [EXHALES] 75029

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