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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:25,534 --> 00:00:30,054 ♪ Breichiau mam sy'n 2 00:00:30,095 --> 00:00:33,734 ♪ Dynn amdanat 3 00:00:33,774 --> 00:00:39,134 ♪ Cariad mam sy 4 00:00:39,175 --> 00:00:42,094 ♪ Dan fy mron 5 00:00:44,334 --> 00:00:52,694 ♪ Ni chaiff dim amharu'th gyntun 6 00:00:52,734 --> 00:01:01,215 ♪ Ni wna undyn a thi gam ♪. 7 00:01:51,895 --> 00:01:54,293 Prime Minister Tony Blair has led political 8 00:01:54,294 --> 00:01:56,094 tributes from a grateful nation... 9 00:01:56,095 --> 00:01:57,654 Hey, Dad. 10 00:01:57,655 --> 00:02:00,983 - Morning, sunshine. You up? - Up? I'm out and about! 11 00:02:01,574 --> 00:02:04,334 Hm, pardon me, early riser. 12 00:02:04,375 --> 00:02:05,854 What is it, Dad? 13 00:02:05,895 --> 00:02:07,933 You said there was a match today. 14 00:02:07,934 --> 00:02:10,173 Oh, yeah. Only a crappy school thing. 15 00:02:10,174 --> 00:02:11,934 Oh, well, I wanna come. Where is it? 16 00:02:11,935 --> 00:02:14,374 No, Dad, seriously, it's not that type of match. 17 00:02:14,375 --> 00:02:16,495 No parents are gonna be there. 18 00:02:16,535 --> 00:02:18,402 You're wrong. I'll be there. 19 00:02:23,414 --> 00:02:25,613 ...the Queen's 80th birthday celebrations. 20 00:02:25,614 --> 00:02:28,558 Her sense of duty and service, said Mr Blair... 21 00:02:31,775 --> 00:02:33,095 We set? 22 00:02:38,215 --> 00:02:39,734 Boss. 23 00:02:39,775 --> 00:02:41,134 Morning. 24 00:02:41,174 --> 00:02:42,294 Steve. 25 00:02:42,335 --> 00:02:44,133 How's the report coming? ACPO are asking. 26 00:02:44,134 --> 00:02:46,133 Yeah, should be with you by the end of play today. 27 00:02:46,134 --> 00:02:47,494 Any nasty surprises? 28 00:02:47,495 --> 00:02:50,573 I wish. It's gonna be a job for me to find something to do. 29 00:02:50,574 --> 00:02:52,507 I have a hunch you'll manage. 30 00:02:55,215 --> 00:02:56,733 What's with the TV crew, Dave? 31 00:02:56,734 --> 00:02:58,854 Old news. 32 00:03:22,174 --> 00:03:23,694 Argh! 33 00:04:21,374 --> 00:04:23,294 Hey. What's up? 34 00:04:23,335 --> 00:04:25,974 So, er, Jack just texted to say you're picking him up 35 00:04:25,975 --> 00:04:27,094 from the match. 36 00:04:27,095 --> 00:04:29,414 Yeah. Is there a problem? 37 00:04:29,455 --> 00:04:32,655 Well, back a month and you're running the show. 38 00:04:32,695 --> 00:04:34,015 Look, just... 39 00:04:34,054 --> 00:04:35,654 just make sure you're there. 40 00:04:35,655 --> 00:04:38,455 Fran, I'll be there. 41 00:04:43,174 --> 00:04:44,494 Go on, Jack. 42 00:04:55,135 --> 00:04:58,574 So, I was thinking, we could have a mid-week boys' night in. 43 00:04:58,575 --> 00:05:01,975 Take-away, DVD? 44 00:05:02,015 --> 00:05:03,574 I've cleared it with Mum. 45 00:05:03,575 --> 00:05:06,254 I said I'd stay over at Ryan's. 46 00:05:06,294 --> 00:05:08,827 Can't you stay at Ryan's another night? 47 00:05:12,294 --> 00:05:15,134 I was thinking, how about you spend one week with me, 48 00:05:15,135 --> 00:05:16,334 one week with your mum...? 49 00:05:16,335 --> 00:05:19,575 You know, that gives Mum and Mike some space, too. 50 00:05:19,614 --> 00:05:21,253 Did Mum ask you to do this? 51 00:05:21,254 --> 00:05:22,494 No! 52 00:05:22,535 --> 00:05:24,934 But she's fine about it, if you are. 53 00:05:27,335 --> 00:05:29,015 Can I think about it? 54 00:05:30,975 --> 00:05:33,374 Absolutely. Yeah. 55 00:05:33,414 --> 00:05:37,095 Look, go and stay at Ryan's tonight and we'll chat. 56 00:05:37,135 --> 00:05:38,535 Come here. 57 00:06:00,814 --> 00:06:03,173 With so many recent successes nationwide 58 00:06:03,174 --> 00:06:07,494 where DNA has played a key role in solving cold cases, 59 00:06:07,535 --> 00:06:09,694 attention will inevitably turn to 60 00:06:09,695 --> 00:06:13,734 unsolved murders in Wales, most notably the double murders 61 00:06:13,775 --> 00:06:16,293 of Peter and Gwenda Dixon in Pembrokeshire. 62 00:06:16,294 --> 00:06:17,694 Jonathan Hill reports. 63 00:06:17,695 --> 00:06:20,894 Over 17 years ago, the couple were blasted to death 64 00:06:20,895 --> 00:06:24,814 with a shotgun by an unknown killer as they walked along here 65 00:06:24,854 --> 00:06:28,414 at the Coastal Path in Little Haven in Pembrokeshire. 66 00:06:28,455 --> 00:06:30,373 Despite a huge police investigation, 67 00:06:30,374 --> 00:06:32,173 no-one was ever charged for the crime, 68 00:06:32,174 --> 00:06:35,775 and the Dixon family's long wait for justice continues. 69 00:06:35,814 --> 00:06:38,134 A lot of people have said they no longer feel comfortable 70 00:06:38,135 --> 00:06:40,068 coming to this path any more. 71 00:06:40,655 --> 00:06:43,055 They say it no longer feels the same. 72 00:06:44,934 --> 00:06:46,933 We asked Dyfed Powys Police for a comment 73 00:06:46,934 --> 00:06:48,894 but were told that no-one was available. 74 00:06:48,895 --> 00:06:51,294 Old news? 75 00:06:51,335 --> 00:06:55,094 Meanwhile, the identity of John and Gwenda Dixon's vicious killer 76 00:06:55,095 --> 00:06:56,455 remains unknown. 77 00:07:03,494 --> 00:07:05,294 How you settling in, Steve? 78 00:07:06,254 --> 00:07:07,934 It's like I never left. 79 00:07:08,335 --> 00:07:10,694 I found only one area where we're exposed. 80 00:07:10,695 --> 00:07:13,293 No thorough forensic reviews of serious crimes. 81 00:07:13,294 --> 00:07:15,174 Most notably Coastal Path. 82 00:07:16,614 --> 00:07:17,974 You saw the news. 83 00:07:19,535 --> 00:07:22,054 Yeah. What's the story? 84 00:07:25,775 --> 00:07:29,174 The unlikelihood of finding anything new. 85 00:07:29,215 --> 00:07:31,534 The distress that would cause the Dixon family. 86 00:07:31,535 --> 00:07:34,413 And, if we failed, the delight the media would take 87 00:07:34,414 --> 00:07:36,293 in hauling us through the muck. 88 00:07:36,294 --> 00:07:39,014 A few years back, they branded us "institutionally incompetent", 89 00:07:39,015 --> 00:07:40,055 and it stuck. 90 00:07:42,254 --> 00:07:45,775 Well, it's about time we did something about that. 91 00:07:45,814 --> 00:07:48,694 I'd like to take a look at Coastal Path, see if there's anything there. 92 00:07:48,695 --> 00:07:50,135 That OK with you? 93 00:07:50,174 --> 00:07:52,107 You don't need my permission. 94 00:07:52,614 --> 00:07:56,215 DCI George Jones was SIO on it. Is he still about? 95 00:07:56,254 --> 00:08:00,095 Yeah, he is. But, Steve, go easy on the old bloke. 96 00:08:21,655 --> 00:08:23,574 Thank you for seeing me, sir. 97 00:08:23,575 --> 00:08:24,813 A police dog found them. 98 00:08:24,814 --> 00:08:27,173 Six days after they were reported missing. 99 00:08:29,015 --> 00:08:31,482 The maggots gave us the time of death. 100 00:08:32,494 --> 00:08:36,462 After he murdered them, the attacker stole Peter Dixon's wallet 101 00:08:36,494 --> 00:08:38,415 and wedding ring. 102 00:08:38,455 --> 00:08:40,853 It's not much of a reason to end two lives, is it? 103 00:08:40,854 --> 00:08:43,133 Gwenda Dixon was sexually assaulted 104 00:08:43,134 --> 00:08:45,974 with her husband lying dead not six feet away. 105 00:08:45,975 --> 00:08:47,974 He was a sick, sadistic bastard. 106 00:08:47,975 --> 00:08:49,774 He didn't need a reason. 107 00:08:53,215 --> 00:08:54,895 We did the best we could. 108 00:09:00,175 --> 00:09:02,042 I won't be made a scapegoat. 109 00:09:03,254 --> 00:09:05,187 That's not why I'm here, sir. 110 00:09:09,494 --> 00:09:12,094 So, four days after the murders, a man walked into 111 00:09:12,095 --> 00:09:16,415 Pembroke Bespoke Jewellers and sold a 22-carat gold band. 112 00:09:16,455 --> 00:09:20,294 The band matched the description of Peter Dixon's stolen wedding ring. 113 00:09:20,295 --> 00:09:23,174 And the seller of the ring had signed the receipt J Cooper. 114 00:09:23,175 --> 00:09:26,014 Now, on the basis of this information, 115 00:09:26,055 --> 00:09:28,494 one of your team, a DC Dylan Rees? 116 00:09:29,854 --> 00:09:34,854 He questioned a John William Cooper of 28 Rose Meadow Lane, Birchmede. 117 00:09:36,254 --> 00:09:37,733 Cooper said that the ring was his own 118 00:09:37,734 --> 00:09:39,574 and that he sold it because he needed the cash, 119 00:09:39,575 --> 00:09:41,853 and then his wife confirmed the story. 120 00:09:41,854 --> 00:09:44,254 And then no further action was taken. 121 00:09:45,575 --> 00:09:48,774 I'm curious to hear your view on this. 122 00:09:48,815 --> 00:09:51,494 I sent a DC to do a DCI's job. 123 00:09:51,534 --> 00:09:54,494 I should've questioned Cooper myself, but we... 124 00:09:54,534 --> 00:09:55,975 we were swamped. 125 00:09:57,014 --> 00:09:59,853 After the case was closed, I learnt that Rees 126 00:09:59,854 --> 00:10:02,614 drank in the same pub as Cooper, together. 127 00:10:03,614 --> 00:10:06,254 My view is that Cooper... 128 00:10:06,295 --> 00:10:09,055 used the fact they knew each other. 129 00:10:09,095 --> 00:10:10,654 That Rees... 130 00:10:10,695 --> 00:10:12,134 was manipulated. 131 00:10:14,374 --> 00:10:16,907 - Where's Cooper now? - Dyffryn Prison. 132 00:10:16,935 --> 00:10:20,647 He was sentenced to 16 years in 1998 for a string of, er... 133 00:10:21,215 --> 00:10:22,814 ...burglaries and robberies. 134 00:10:22,815 --> 00:10:26,055 The investigation was codenamed Huntsman. 135 00:10:26,095 --> 00:10:29,374 They interviewed Cooper, but didn't get anything. 136 00:10:29,415 --> 00:10:33,455 16 years in 1998... 137 00:10:33,494 --> 00:10:36,502 If he's behaved himself, he'll be up for parole. 138 00:10:41,374 --> 00:10:44,733 Where it happened is just below Talbenny church. 139 00:10:44,734 --> 00:10:47,614 The spot is marked by a plaque. 140 00:10:49,374 --> 00:10:52,830 The Dixons' son and daughter leave a wreath every year. 141 00:11:58,494 --> 00:12:00,254 You found us, then. 142 00:12:01,614 --> 00:12:04,253 So, you're doing a bit of digging on John William Cooper? 143 00:12:04,254 --> 00:12:05,774 I am. 144 00:12:05,815 --> 00:12:08,682 Let's hope you have better luck than we did. 145 00:12:14,215 --> 00:12:16,894 Operation Huntsman. 146 00:12:16,935 --> 00:12:18,374 This was us. 147 00:12:18,415 --> 00:12:20,694 There's a few odds and sods stored elsewhere, 148 00:12:20,695 --> 00:12:24,374 but most of this was confiscated from Cooper's home. 149 00:12:24,415 --> 00:12:26,095 The place was a pigsty. 150 00:12:27,975 --> 00:12:31,253 You arrested him for a string of burglaries and robberies, 151 00:12:31,254 --> 00:12:34,334 but you also questioned him about the murders at Coastal Path. 152 00:12:34,335 --> 00:12:36,494 - Why? - His MO, sir. 153 00:12:36,534 --> 00:12:39,694 We did him for a robbery that was a carbon copy of the Coastal Path. 154 00:12:39,695 --> 00:12:42,055 Robbery, tied-up victim, a shotgun. 155 00:12:42,095 --> 00:12:45,551 That's why we also questioned him about Scoveston Park. 156 00:12:46,734 --> 00:12:48,574 20 years ago, Scoveston Park? 157 00:12:48,575 --> 00:12:51,095 21 years ago now. December, '85. 158 00:12:52,215 --> 00:12:54,975 Theft, arson and double murder. 159 00:12:57,134 --> 00:13:00,206 - Brother and sister. - Richard and Helen Thomas. 160 00:13:01,095 --> 00:13:03,893 The difference was that the killer resorted to arson 161 00:13:03,894 --> 00:13:06,427 to cover his tracks. He started a fire. 162 00:13:07,215 --> 00:13:09,695 He completely destroyed the place. 163 00:13:09,734 --> 00:13:11,574 Tough on evidence gathering. 164 00:13:11,575 --> 00:13:13,908 Yeah. And even tougher on forensics. 165 00:13:15,415 --> 00:13:17,613 Did Cooper tell you anything in the interviews? 166 00:13:17,614 --> 00:13:20,294 Nothing. When we mentioned the murders, he just shut down. 167 00:13:20,295 --> 00:13:22,134 We had to move on. 168 00:13:22,175 --> 00:13:23,493 With all the lesser offences, 169 00:13:23,494 --> 00:13:26,935 we found almost every single stolen item in his home. 170 00:13:26,975 --> 00:13:29,575 You charge them with what you can prove. 171 00:13:30,695 --> 00:13:32,574 - Did you speak to the family? - We did. 172 00:13:32,575 --> 00:13:34,414 Yeah, the wife gave us nothing. 173 00:13:34,415 --> 00:13:36,653 She was more frightened of him than us. 174 00:13:36,654 --> 00:13:38,575 The son was useful. 175 00:13:38,614 --> 00:13:40,334 Yeah, he hated his dad, though. 176 00:13:40,335 --> 00:13:42,535 He wanted nothing to do with him. 177 00:13:44,014 --> 00:13:47,013 The reason your Disability Allowance payment has been delayed 178 00:13:47,014 --> 00:13:48,853 is because you changed your first name. 179 00:13:48,854 --> 00:13:51,294 Yeah, eight years ago, by statutory declaration. 180 00:13:51,295 --> 00:13:53,694 I gave you people a copy of the certificate! 181 00:13:53,695 --> 00:13:55,095 Look... 182 00:13:55,134 --> 00:13:56,533 I've had enough of this. 183 00:13:56,534 --> 00:13:58,414 Can you get a manager on the line, please? 184 00:13:58,415 --> 00:14:01,014 I'm not authorised to do that, sir. 185 00:14:01,055 --> 00:14:03,493 - What's your first name, Mr Cooper? - Andrew. 186 00:14:03,494 --> 00:14:05,415 Not Adrian, Andrew. 187 00:14:05,455 --> 00:14:07,095 Andrew Cooper. 188 00:14:07,134 --> 00:14:08,215 And... 189 00:14:08,254 --> 00:14:10,174 don't talk to me like I'm an idiot. 190 00:14:10,175 --> 00:14:13,247 - Hold the line, please, sir. - No, please don't... 191 00:14:13,415 --> 00:14:17,575 Please continue to hold. Your call is important to us. 192 00:14:31,844 --> 00:14:33,844 - Hi, Dad. - Oh, hello! 193 00:14:35,445 --> 00:14:36,484 Laundry. 194 00:14:36,525 --> 00:14:40,363 The machine at the salon's on the blink and you're closer than Mum's. 195 00:14:40,364 --> 00:14:41,685 Well... 196 00:14:42,884 --> 00:14:45,551 ...good to know I'm useful for something. 197 00:15:09,884 --> 00:15:11,244 Payment. 198 00:15:13,405 --> 00:15:15,285 "Maximum hold." 199 00:15:15,325 --> 00:15:17,084 Thank you, love. 200 00:15:17,124 --> 00:15:19,244 The place is looking nice now. 201 00:15:19,285 --> 00:15:20,645 Very tidy. 202 00:15:20,685 --> 00:15:24,077 It'll do, until I find something a bit more permanent. 203 00:15:24,084 --> 00:15:27,045 Do you want to stay, have a bite to eat? 204 00:15:27,084 --> 00:15:28,244 Sorry. 205 00:15:28,285 --> 00:15:29,723 Late for the cinema. 206 00:15:29,724 --> 00:15:31,404 OK, love, enjoy yourself. 207 00:15:36,244 --> 00:15:38,644 Jack's really chuffed that you're back. 208 00:15:38,645 --> 00:15:40,004 Is he? 209 00:15:40,045 --> 00:15:41,805 Don't try too hard. 210 00:15:42,844 --> 00:15:44,724 Just give him a bit of time. 211 00:15:45,765 --> 00:15:47,884 Right, OK. 212 00:15:47,925 --> 00:15:50,058 I'll pick up the stuff tomorrow. 213 00:15:50,084 --> 00:15:51,124 Hey... 214 00:15:52,244 --> 00:15:54,044 When did you become so mature? 215 00:15:54,045 --> 00:15:56,484 Ages ago. 216 00:15:56,525 --> 00:15:58,165 I'm a girl. 217 00:16:25,325 --> 00:16:27,844 John William Cooper. Do you know him? 218 00:16:27,884 --> 00:16:31,203 Yeah, I've heard of him. And Operation Huntsman, obviously. 219 00:16:31,204 --> 00:16:34,044 What would you say if I told you his offending kit for the robberies 220 00:16:34,045 --> 00:16:36,444 was black gloves, balaclava and shotgun? 221 00:16:36,445 --> 00:16:38,364 I'd say Nolton Hill Estate. 222 00:16:41,724 --> 00:16:43,203 The shotgun he used, 223 00:16:43,204 --> 00:16:46,684 recovered from a robbery gone wrong in the village of Sardis. 224 00:16:46,685 --> 00:16:49,483 It was the customised shoulder strap which got my attention. 225 00:16:49,484 --> 00:16:51,164 Sawn-off, modified stock. 226 00:16:52,244 --> 00:16:53,524 Jesus, Steve, is it him? 227 00:16:53,525 --> 00:16:55,244 Him who? 228 00:16:55,285 --> 00:16:56,964 What's going on? 229 00:16:57,004 --> 00:16:59,004 Do you remember Nolton Hill? 230 00:17:00,204 --> 00:17:02,603 Ten years ago. A few months before I left. 231 00:17:02,604 --> 00:17:05,324 A masked man with a shotgun attacked five teenagers 232 00:17:05,325 --> 00:17:06,603 near the Nolton Hill Estate. 233 00:17:06,604 --> 00:17:09,403 One of the girls was raped. Another sexually assaulted. 234 00:17:09,404 --> 00:17:11,603 - It was never solved. - I remember. 235 00:17:11,604 --> 00:17:13,603 DI Richards and myself were called in to assist. 236 00:17:13,604 --> 00:17:15,844 The two boys knew about guns. 237 00:17:15,884 --> 00:17:17,524 Yeah, they used to do a bit of rabbiting. 238 00:17:17,525 --> 00:17:20,843 Their description of the shotgun that the attacker used 239 00:17:20,844 --> 00:17:22,284 exactly matched that gun. 240 00:17:22,285 --> 00:17:24,285 Hang on. Back up a bit, Steve. 241 00:17:24,325 --> 00:17:26,524 The last I heard, you were looking at Coastal Path. 242 00:17:26,525 --> 00:17:27,844 I was. 243 00:17:27,884 --> 00:17:29,084 I am. 244 00:17:30,364 --> 00:17:32,044 And that led me to this. 245 00:17:34,005 --> 00:17:36,124 I'll ask you again, John, 246 00:17:36,164 --> 00:17:38,883 regarding the murders of Peter and Gwenda Dixon 247 00:17:38,884 --> 00:17:42,444 on the morning of Thursday 29th June, 1989, 248 00:17:42,485 --> 00:17:44,618 were you the person responsible? 249 00:17:45,164 --> 00:17:47,684 I am not a murderer. 250 00:17:47,725 --> 00:17:49,923 - Strong accent. - South Pembrokeshire. 251 00:17:49,924 --> 00:17:51,164 Watch this... 252 00:17:51,205 --> 00:17:53,725 John, what about Scoveston Park? 253 00:17:53,765 --> 00:17:56,843 We have witnesses who say that you knew Richard and Helen Thomas. 254 00:17:56,844 --> 00:17:59,284 My client is exercising his right to silence. 255 00:17:59,285 --> 00:18:02,018 John... Come on, John, don't be like that. 256 00:18:03,485 --> 00:18:04,525 John. 257 00:18:04,565 --> 00:18:05,684 John! 258 00:18:06,805 --> 00:18:08,285 Steve... 259 00:18:08,325 --> 00:18:11,004 ever since Huntsman, gossip has put Cooper in the frame 260 00:18:11,005 --> 00:18:13,443 - for 101 offences. - I'm talking about just three. 261 00:18:13,444 --> 00:18:17,124 Coastal Path, Scoveston Park, Nolton Hill. 262 00:18:19,525 --> 00:18:21,644 I think he did them all. 263 00:18:54,525 --> 00:18:56,404 Not now, Jack. 264 00:19:02,525 --> 00:19:03,805 Here they come. 265 00:19:06,565 --> 00:19:09,204 How did Operation Huntsman miss all this? 266 00:19:09,205 --> 00:19:10,403 They didn't, ma'am. 267 00:19:10,404 --> 00:19:12,603 They questioned Cooper on all three cases 268 00:19:12,604 --> 00:19:14,404 and he just stayed mute. 269 00:19:14,444 --> 00:19:18,092 Plus, as I touched on earlier, there was no hard evidence. 270 00:19:18,965 --> 00:19:20,843 Where's your hard evidence, Steve? 271 00:19:20,844 --> 00:19:23,604 It's waiting for us to find, ma'am. 272 00:19:23,644 --> 00:19:26,244 Thanks to Huntsman and the original investigations, 273 00:19:26,245 --> 00:19:29,565 we have access to over 3,000 exhibits in storage. 274 00:19:29,604 --> 00:19:33,284 That's a potential treasure trove of victim and perpetrator DNA. 275 00:19:33,285 --> 00:19:34,683 At the time of Huntsman, 276 00:19:34,684 --> 00:19:37,244 the science wasn't up to scratch on age-degraded trace DNA. 277 00:19:37,245 --> 00:19:40,381 But as we know, things have come a long way since. 278 00:19:41,045 --> 00:19:42,804 Say you get enough to charge him. 279 00:19:42,805 --> 00:19:46,484 Charging a man with the murders of four adults is clear, simple. 280 00:19:46,485 --> 00:19:49,884 But you add five minors, rape, sexual assault, 281 00:19:49,924 --> 00:19:51,964 the Crown's case could seem muddled. 282 00:19:51,965 --> 00:19:54,285 The CPS won't like that. 283 00:19:54,325 --> 00:19:57,524 Perhaps it would be wiser to confine the review to the two murders. 284 00:19:57,525 --> 00:20:01,725 With respect, ma'am, I interviewed the five victims as a WDC. 285 00:20:01,765 --> 00:20:04,765 And it made quite an impression on me. 286 00:20:04,805 --> 00:20:07,244 So much so, I've kept tabs on them over the years. 287 00:20:07,245 --> 00:20:09,603 Now, some are doing better than others, but... 288 00:20:09,604 --> 00:20:12,285 all of them have been scarred for life. 289 00:20:12,325 --> 00:20:14,683 They had their childhood stolen from them that night. 290 00:20:14,684 --> 00:20:17,684 They deserve another chance at justice. 291 00:20:17,725 --> 00:20:20,004 As do all the victims and their families. 292 00:20:20,005 --> 00:20:22,044 All I'm saying is, if you try to prove too much, 293 00:20:22,045 --> 00:20:24,205 you could lose everything. 294 00:20:24,245 --> 00:20:28,524 The killings at Scoveston Park and Coastal Path are like two bricks. 295 00:20:28,525 --> 00:20:32,123 And the attacks on the kids is the mortar that holds them together. 296 00:20:32,124 --> 00:20:34,644 It has elements of both cases. 297 00:20:34,684 --> 00:20:36,565 And, ma'am, erm... 298 00:20:36,604 --> 00:20:38,083 what are the odds that offences, 299 00:20:38,084 --> 00:20:41,124 which share so much similar fact evidence, 300 00:20:41,164 --> 00:20:44,812 in such a small area, were committed by more than one man? 301 00:20:47,765 --> 00:20:51,204 You know, if we reinvestigate and it doesn't go our way, 302 00:20:51,205 --> 00:20:55,565 the media, the public, the families, they'll crucify us. 303 00:20:55,604 --> 00:20:58,612 And if we don't go ahead, it could be far worse. 304 00:20:58,884 --> 00:21:00,244 We've put a call into MAPPA. 305 00:21:00,245 --> 00:21:02,564 A date's been set for his parole hearing. 306 00:21:02,565 --> 00:21:04,284 He could be out in three months. 307 00:21:04,285 --> 00:21:06,404 If he did do these murders, 308 00:21:06,444 --> 00:21:08,911 he is, by definition, a serial killer. 309 00:21:09,725 --> 00:21:13,444 And given the opportunity, men like him... 310 00:21:13,485 --> 00:21:15,165 they always kill again. 311 00:21:28,404 --> 00:21:29,805 Next. 312 00:21:54,325 --> 00:21:57,644 The next time you visit, make an effort, will you? 313 00:21:59,725 --> 00:22:02,124 You look like an old woman. 314 00:22:02,164 --> 00:22:03,965 Adrian's back. 315 00:22:04,005 --> 00:22:05,205 What? 316 00:22:05,245 --> 00:22:07,083 I saw Shirley from Birchmede. 317 00:22:07,084 --> 00:22:09,964 Her daughter's a receptionist in the hospital. 318 00:22:09,965 --> 00:22:12,363 Apparently, he was walking with a stick. 319 00:22:12,364 --> 00:22:13,684 A stick? 320 00:22:13,725 --> 00:22:16,284 - Well, that's gotta be a scam. - Well, that's what she said. 321 00:22:16,285 --> 00:22:18,284 Anyway, Adrian wasn't like that. 322 00:22:18,285 --> 00:22:19,644 He was a worker. 323 00:22:19,684 --> 00:22:21,564 What, you're defending him now, are you, hm? 324 00:22:21,565 --> 00:22:23,844 He's dead to us. 325 00:22:38,404 --> 00:22:41,005 Sorry, Andrew. Did I hurt you? 326 00:22:41,045 --> 00:22:42,805 It wasn't you. 327 00:22:43,965 --> 00:22:46,564 It's all right, just relax, I've got you. 328 00:23:18,045 --> 00:23:20,164 28 Rose Meadow Lane. 329 00:23:20,205 --> 00:23:22,872 Cooper's last home before he went inside. 330 00:23:23,884 --> 00:23:26,163 Walk in any direction from this point 331 00:23:26,164 --> 00:23:29,484 and you'll hit a home he targeted between '83 and '96. 332 00:23:29,485 --> 00:23:31,163 It's the hub of the wheel. 333 00:23:31,164 --> 00:23:32,844 In this tiny area, 334 00:23:32,884 --> 00:23:36,364 34 burglaries and robberies, one rape of a minor, 335 00:23:36,404 --> 00:23:38,671 one indecent assault of a minor... 336 00:23:39,245 --> 00:23:40,765 ...and two murders. 337 00:23:43,285 --> 00:23:44,885 If walls could talk. 338 00:23:52,005 --> 00:23:53,725 Been back since? 339 00:23:53,765 --> 00:23:56,565 A few times to see how the kids were doing. 340 00:24:01,604 --> 00:24:05,004 So, I was thinking a start-up team of six, including us, 341 00:24:05,005 --> 00:24:06,284 cherry-picked from division. 342 00:24:06,285 --> 00:24:09,045 That way, we can keep things covert 343 00:24:09,084 --> 00:24:10,683 and it should be easier on our budget. 344 00:24:10,684 --> 00:24:12,444 Mm, sounds like a plan. 345 00:24:13,765 --> 00:24:16,044 I really appreciate you bringing me in on this, Steve. 346 00:24:16,045 --> 00:24:18,565 Your reputation brought you in. 347 00:24:18,604 --> 00:24:21,045 WDC to DI in ten years. 348 00:24:21,084 --> 00:24:23,084 Says Mr DS to Superintendent. 349 00:24:23,124 --> 00:24:24,565 London. 350 00:24:24,604 --> 00:24:26,404 The worst years of my life. 351 00:24:29,604 --> 00:24:32,868 Yeah, I was sorry to hear about you and your missus. 352 00:24:33,124 --> 00:24:34,805 It is what it is. 353 00:24:51,644 --> 00:24:54,716 They were so close to home when he attacked them. 354 00:24:55,565 --> 00:24:57,444 It looks so bloody ordinary. 355 00:25:01,965 --> 00:25:04,084 To Operation Ottawa. 356 00:25:07,525 --> 00:25:09,125 To Operation Ottawa. 357 00:26:11,410 --> 00:26:12,610 It's all right. 358 00:26:13,849 --> 00:26:15,809 This is home. 359 00:26:15,849 --> 00:26:17,729 The first rule of Operation Ottawa 360 00:26:17,730 --> 00:26:20,449 is you do not talk about Operation Ottawa. 361 00:26:20,450 --> 00:26:22,649 The second rule of Operation Ottawa is...? 362 00:26:22,650 --> 00:26:25,183 You do not talk about Operation Ottawa. 363 00:26:25,450 --> 00:26:27,730 It's from Fight Club. It's a film. 364 00:26:27,769 --> 00:26:30,609 Thank you, Barry Norman. 365 00:26:30,650 --> 00:26:35,009 We don't say a word to friends, colleagues or family. 366 00:26:35,049 --> 00:26:37,529 Yeah, they'll get narky with us, but it's the way it has to be. 367 00:26:37,530 --> 00:26:40,568 We don't want Cooper, or the media, seeing us coming. 368 00:26:40,569 --> 00:26:42,049 Boss... 369 00:26:42,089 --> 00:26:44,809 Cold cases are 99% forensics. 370 00:26:44,849 --> 00:26:47,182 So, we need to do everything we can 371 00:26:47,210 --> 00:26:51,410 to help the scientists find that DNA golden nugget, 372 00:26:51,450 --> 00:26:56,170 the DNA hit that unites culprit and victim in the same time and place. 373 00:26:56,210 --> 00:26:57,449 Now, our forensics 374 00:26:57,450 --> 00:27:00,528 mustn't be tainted by any of the work that's gone before. 375 00:27:00,529 --> 00:27:04,008 Previous investigations had all their testing done in-house 376 00:27:04,009 --> 00:27:05,929 by the Forensic Science Service. 377 00:27:05,930 --> 00:27:08,089 But the science has moved on. 378 00:27:08,130 --> 00:27:10,368 We need a fresh pair of eyes on this. 379 00:27:10,369 --> 00:27:11,490 Angela Gallop. 380 00:27:13,130 --> 00:27:14,689 She has been involved in 381 00:27:14,690 --> 00:27:16,929 some of the highest profile cases of the last ten years. 382 00:27:16,930 --> 00:27:20,930 Lynette White, Stephen Lawrence, Damilola Taylor. 383 00:27:20,970 --> 00:27:23,169 Dr Gallop and her team are the best in the business. 384 00:27:23,170 --> 00:27:25,049 But they can only find what they're looking for 385 00:27:25,050 --> 00:27:27,529 if they look in the right place. And that's where we come in. 386 00:27:27,530 --> 00:27:29,409 We need to identify which items of evidence 387 00:27:29,410 --> 00:27:33,849 are most likely to carry Cooper and/or victim DNA in whatever form. 388 00:27:33,890 --> 00:27:36,450 Skin, hair, saliva, semen, blood. 389 00:27:36,490 --> 00:27:38,288 Now, in an ideal world, there'd be no limit 390 00:27:38,289 --> 00:27:40,489 to the amount of exhibits we could send for analysis. 391 00:27:40,490 --> 00:27:41,970 But... 392 00:27:42,009 --> 00:27:43,489 forensic work is not cheap. 393 00:27:43,490 --> 00:27:46,289 And our budget is finite. 394 00:27:46,329 --> 00:27:48,690 In short, whatever we send 395 00:27:48,730 --> 00:27:51,463 needs to be chosen very fucking carefully. 396 00:27:56,569 --> 00:27:58,088 Our first case tonight 397 00:27:58,089 --> 00:28:00,729 is an extraordinary double murder in South Wales. 398 00:28:00,730 --> 00:28:03,210 On the evening of 22nd December, 1985, 399 00:28:03,250 --> 00:28:05,848 Richard Thomas and his sister, Helen Thomas, 400 00:28:05,849 --> 00:28:07,649 were attacked in their home 401 00:28:07,650 --> 00:28:09,649 at Scoveston Park, three miles outside Milford. 402 00:28:09,650 --> 00:28:11,449 She was shot, probably in her bedroom. 403 00:28:11,450 --> 00:28:13,489 And it was in that room at about ten o'clock 404 00:28:13,490 --> 00:28:15,169 that the fire was started. 405 00:28:15,170 --> 00:28:18,848 Richard Thomas died of shotgun wounds to the stomach and the head. 406 00:28:18,849 --> 00:28:23,250 Emergency services were called at 1:15am on 23rd of December. 407 00:28:23,289 --> 00:28:26,328 Scene of Crime Officers entered the property the following morning 408 00:28:26,329 --> 00:28:27,848 and found Helen Thomas' body on a bed. 409 00:28:27,849 --> 00:28:29,649 It's believed she was sexually assaulted. 410 00:28:29,650 --> 00:28:32,130 On the morning of June 29th, 1989, 411 00:28:32,170 --> 00:28:36,769 Peter and Gwenda Dixon were murdered on the Pembrokeshire Coastal Path 412 00:28:36,809 --> 00:28:38,088 near Little Haven. 413 00:28:38,089 --> 00:28:41,129 The couple from Oxford decided to take a short walk 414 00:28:41,130 --> 00:28:43,328 while they waited for their tent to dry. 415 00:28:43,329 --> 00:28:46,489 Their bodies were found six days later on the cliffs at Little Haven. 416 00:28:46,490 --> 00:28:50,009 Now, one of Wales most spectacular beauty spots... 417 00:28:50,049 --> 00:28:55,529 Between 7:45pm and 8:45pm on Wednesday 6th March, 1996, 418 00:28:55,569 --> 00:29:00,529 five children, aged between 15 and 16, were attacked in a field 419 00:29:00,569 --> 00:29:01,929 next to the Norton Hill Estate. 420 00:29:01,930 --> 00:29:04,890 On the evening of November 22nd, 1996, 421 00:29:04,930 --> 00:29:08,849 a bungalow in Sardis, six miles from Milford, was burgled. 422 00:29:08,890 --> 00:29:12,609 The victim was confronted by a man in a balaclava. 423 00:29:12,650 --> 00:29:14,169 They were approached by a masked man. 424 00:29:14,170 --> 00:29:16,449 The children were threatened, told to lie on the ground. 425 00:29:16,450 --> 00:29:19,449 One of the girls was raped, another indecently assaulted. 426 00:29:19,450 --> 00:29:23,008 The victim managed to press a panic alarm, causing the offender to flee, 427 00:29:23,009 --> 00:29:24,929 depositing personal items as he ran. 428 00:29:24,930 --> 00:29:29,369 These included stolen jewellery, items of clothing, a balaclava, 429 00:29:29,410 --> 00:29:33,009 some black gloves and his double-barrel shotgun. 430 00:29:33,049 --> 00:29:35,249 One of the boys was struck in the head 431 00:29:35,250 --> 00:29:37,489 with a sawn-off double-barrel shotgun. 432 00:29:37,490 --> 00:29:41,690 Then husband and wife were shot at point-blank range. 433 00:29:41,730 --> 00:29:45,288 Forensic evidence suggests Gwenda Dixon was sexually assaulted 434 00:29:45,289 --> 00:29:47,009 at this location here. 435 00:29:47,049 --> 00:29:49,729 Most of the evidence was destroyed in the fire. 436 00:29:49,730 --> 00:29:52,729 They did manage to retrieve a sock belonging to Mr Thomas 437 00:29:52,730 --> 00:29:54,729 and a few other items, but that's it. 438 00:29:54,730 --> 00:29:57,930 - No DNA would have survived a fire like that. - No. 439 00:29:57,970 --> 00:30:00,328 Just save our money for items more likely to yield a hit. 440 00:30:00,329 --> 00:30:02,062 Coastal Path, Nolton Hill. 441 00:30:02,089 --> 00:30:03,289 Agreed. 442 00:30:03,329 --> 00:30:05,689 But we still need to recover any Scoveston Park exhibits 443 00:30:05,690 --> 00:30:08,157 that would support our take on his MO. 444 00:30:09,089 --> 00:30:10,329 Exactly. 445 00:30:10,369 --> 00:30:11,608 Tied-up victims. 446 00:30:11,609 --> 00:30:14,088 The rope used to bind Helen Thomas' hands. 447 00:30:14,089 --> 00:30:16,690 Helen Thomas' bra was torn. 448 00:30:16,730 --> 00:30:18,569 That's sexual assault. 449 00:30:36,769 --> 00:30:37,890 MTJ/29. 450 00:30:37,930 --> 00:30:39,890 - Er, clothing. - Yeah. 451 00:30:40,930 --> 00:30:42,690 CJE/2. 452 00:30:42,730 --> 00:30:44,008 Nolton Hill rainbow T-shirt. 453 00:30:44,009 --> 00:30:45,608 Give me ten patch tests 454 00:30:45,609 --> 00:30:48,048 on that, corresponding with the victim's bruising. 455 00:30:48,049 --> 00:30:49,130 Yeah. 456 00:30:49,170 --> 00:30:51,329 - CJE/16. - Coastal Path rope. 457 00:30:51,369 --> 00:30:53,130 Despite a massive search 458 00:30:53,170 --> 00:30:55,368 for a suspect seen using the Dixons' cash card... 459 00:30:55,369 --> 00:30:57,889 Peter Dixon's bank card was used to withdraw cash 460 00:30:57,890 --> 00:31:00,289 from NatWest cashpoint machines 461 00:31:00,329 --> 00:31:03,450 at Pembroke, Haverfordwest and Carmarthen. 462 00:31:03,490 --> 00:31:05,008 A man wearing shorts 463 00:31:05,009 --> 00:31:07,729 was seen by a member of the public making one of these withdrawals. 464 00:31:07,730 --> 00:31:11,490 From this siting, police made this artist's impression. 465 00:31:17,450 --> 00:31:21,650 Exhibit reference number MTJ/14, black balaclava. 466 00:31:21,690 --> 00:31:24,650 Exhibit reference PH/2, double-barrel shotgun. 467 00:31:25,890 --> 00:31:27,890 - The Sardis gun, yeah? - Yeah. 468 00:31:28,450 --> 00:31:31,409 12 patches tested. Six on the barrel, six on the stock. 469 00:31:31,410 --> 00:31:36,089 In total, officers recovered 66 items in a fairly straight line 470 00:31:36,130 --> 00:31:40,930 from the bungalow in Sardis to 28 Rose Meadow Lane. 471 00:31:42,490 --> 00:31:44,970 The home of John William Cooper. 472 00:32:01,130 --> 00:32:02,130 Dad? 473 00:32:03,210 --> 00:32:04,369 Hiya, Jack! 474 00:32:06,089 --> 00:32:09,730 - Have I come at a bad time? - No, no, of course not. 475 00:32:09,769 --> 00:32:10,849 Well... 476 00:32:10,890 --> 00:32:12,890 let the male bonding commence. 477 00:32:14,089 --> 00:32:16,288 Does your mother know you're here? 478 00:32:16,289 --> 00:32:19,709 Yeah. You don't need to check, Dad, she knows. 479 00:32:19,711 --> 00:32:22,265 You two haven't had a fight, by any chance? 480 00:32:22,266 --> 00:32:24,289 Nothing major. 481 00:32:24,329 --> 00:32:25,690 All right. 482 00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:26,730 OK. 483 00:32:28,210 --> 00:32:30,943 Well, you know where it is. Go and unpack. 484 00:32:47,170 --> 00:32:49,369 - Morning. - Yeah, Steve. 485 00:32:49,410 --> 00:32:51,410 You need to re-route to HQ. 486 00:32:51,450 --> 00:32:53,690 We've got a fly in the ointment. 487 00:33:06,529 --> 00:33:07,970 Morning. 488 00:33:08,009 --> 00:33:09,649 Jonathan Hill for Steve Wilkins. 489 00:33:09,650 --> 00:33:11,517 - Just a moment. - Thank you. 490 00:33:25,490 --> 00:33:26,930 Mr Hill. 491 00:33:26,970 --> 00:33:30,682 Detective Superintendent Steve Wilkins, Deputy Head of CID. 492 00:33:31,490 --> 00:33:33,489 Comms referred your query to me. 493 00:33:33,490 --> 00:33:35,409 I understand you want to make a programme 494 00:33:35,410 --> 00:33:37,477 about the Coastal Path murders. 495 00:33:38,170 --> 00:33:41,288 Erm, actually, it's a bit more specific than that. 496 00:33:41,289 --> 00:33:43,008 Erm, I would like to make a documentary 497 00:33:43,009 --> 00:33:45,930 exploring the possibility that... 498 00:33:45,970 --> 00:33:47,729 the double murders at Coastal Path 499 00:33:47,730 --> 00:33:51,122 might be linked to the ones at Scoveston Park in 1985. 500 00:33:51,809 --> 00:33:53,876 That would be a problem for us. 501 00:33:54,809 --> 00:33:56,329 How do you mean? 502 00:33:56,369 --> 00:34:00,081 Mr Hill, what I'm about to tell you cannot leave this room. 503 00:34:02,049 --> 00:34:06,529 I'm not in the habit of agreeing to things before I know what they are. 504 00:34:06,690 --> 00:34:09,409 We are re-investigating the two offences. 505 00:34:12,289 --> 00:34:14,768 Right, and how would a documentary about the murders 506 00:34:14,769 --> 00:34:16,209 interfere with that? 507 00:34:16,210 --> 00:34:19,609 The killer, or killers, think they've got away with murder. 508 00:34:19,610 --> 00:34:21,968 A news piece would rattle them, make them vigilant. 509 00:34:21,969 --> 00:34:25,873 And that would be weeks of covert police work down the toilet. 510 00:34:26,369 --> 00:34:27,690 So... 511 00:34:27,730 --> 00:34:29,409 I'll tell you what. 512 00:34:29,449 --> 00:34:31,649 If you agree to shelve your proposed documentary, 513 00:34:31,650 --> 00:34:33,929 maintain a news blackout, 514 00:34:33,969 --> 00:34:36,170 when we're ready to go public, 515 00:34:36,210 --> 00:34:39,077 I will see to it that you get the exclusive. 516 00:34:43,329 --> 00:34:44,530 OK. 517 00:34:45,650 --> 00:34:46,930 OK, it's a deal. 518 00:34:49,849 --> 00:34:51,488 I want Dyfed Powys Police 519 00:34:51,489 --> 00:34:55,090 and the media to stop fighting and start collaborating. 520 00:34:55,130 --> 00:34:56,610 But... 521 00:34:56,650 --> 00:34:58,769 if you fuck me on this, 522 00:34:58,809 --> 00:35:03,010 I will see to it that every officer from CID to peach-fuzz PC 523 00:35:03,050 --> 00:35:06,314 knows that Jonathan Hill is not a man to be trusted. 524 00:35:13,329 --> 00:35:14,530 Boss... 525 00:35:17,849 --> 00:35:19,650 What the fuck are those? 526 00:35:19,690 --> 00:35:21,448 Professional portrait photos. 527 00:35:21,449 --> 00:35:23,570 They had them done in 1978 528 00:35:23,610 --> 00:35:26,682 after he won all that money on the Spot The Ball. 529 00:35:29,010 --> 00:35:30,368 Those teeth don't look real. 530 00:35:30,369 --> 00:35:33,209 They're the only two photographs Huntsman found in the whole house. 531 00:35:33,210 --> 00:35:35,408 I've done a lot of evidence recovery in my time. 532 00:35:35,409 --> 00:35:37,009 Two photos in a family home? 533 00:35:37,010 --> 00:35:38,849 - It's not right. - Mm. 534 00:35:38,889 --> 00:35:42,537 - Together, but apart. - And their son nowhere to be seen. 535 00:35:59,769 --> 00:36:02,530 You've been the model prisoner, Mr Cooper. 536 00:36:02,570 --> 00:36:04,768 How confident are you that you can maintain 537 00:36:04,769 --> 00:36:08,250 this change for the better in the outside world? 538 00:36:08,289 --> 00:36:10,050 100%, your honour. 539 00:36:10,090 --> 00:36:13,730 One of the offences involved violence towards a woman. 540 00:36:13,769 --> 00:36:15,889 What can you say to reassure us 541 00:36:15,929 --> 00:36:19,249 that you no longer pose a threat to the female members of the community? 542 00:36:19,250 --> 00:36:21,383 I'm not the same man that I was. 543 00:36:21,409 --> 00:36:23,876 The love and the loyalty of my wife... 544 00:36:25,449 --> 00:36:27,250 ...has helped me with that. 545 00:36:27,289 --> 00:36:29,689 Your wife has been a regular visitor. 546 00:36:30,730 --> 00:36:34,010 But your son, Adrian, hasn't visited you once. 547 00:36:35,969 --> 00:36:38,609 I haven't been the best father, I'll admit that. 548 00:36:38,610 --> 00:36:42,258 Although, I do plan to make it up to him, if he'll let me. 549 00:36:42,409 --> 00:36:44,809 I'm 62, Adrian is nearly 40, 550 00:36:44,849 --> 00:36:46,010 so... 551 00:36:47,610 --> 00:36:51,066 Craig says that a man is never too old to want his dad. 552 00:36:53,449 --> 00:36:55,449 AGJ/28. 553 00:36:55,489 --> 00:36:57,889 "AGJ/28"... 554 00:36:59,650 --> 00:37:02,369 - That's rejected. - Negative for DNA. 555 00:37:02,409 --> 00:37:04,329 AGJ/39. 556 00:37:04,369 --> 00:37:06,010 "AGJ/39"... 557 00:37:08,530 --> 00:37:10,808 - That's rejected, too. - Negative for DNA. 558 00:37:10,809 --> 00:37:14,209 Is it just me, or is this beginning to look a bit bloody hopeless? 559 00:37:14,210 --> 00:37:15,849 DC Rowe... 560 00:37:15,889 --> 00:37:17,649 if we can't keep the faith, 561 00:37:17,650 --> 00:37:20,729 we have no right representing the victims or their families. 562 00:37:20,730 --> 00:37:22,010 Sorry, boss. 563 00:37:22,050 --> 00:37:23,488 - Momentary lapse. - All right. 564 00:37:23,489 --> 00:37:25,369 Yeah, thanks. 565 00:37:26,690 --> 00:37:28,849 - Boss... - Yeah? 566 00:37:28,889 --> 00:37:31,010 Cooper's been granted parole. 567 00:37:31,050 --> 00:37:32,969 That was Dyffryn Prison. 568 00:37:33,010 --> 00:37:36,722 They've no idea who they're dealing with. He's played them. 569 00:37:42,344 --> 00:37:47,905 John Cooper is the prime suspect in a major crime review. 570 00:37:49,505 --> 00:37:53,704 I am requesting his release on parole be revoked. 571 00:37:56,144 --> 00:37:58,344 Well, what's the crime? 572 00:37:58,385 --> 00:38:00,784 I can't share that information. 573 00:38:00,824 --> 00:38:04,064 Well, clearly, you don't have a case, or you'd be charging him. 574 00:38:04,065 --> 00:38:08,465 Cooper is a dangerous man. That is a matter of public record. 575 00:38:08,505 --> 00:38:10,385 People change. 576 00:38:10,425 --> 00:38:12,064 That's a matter of rehabilitation. 577 00:38:12,065 --> 00:38:16,264 I'm sure your client can be very agreeable when it suits him. 578 00:38:16,304 --> 00:38:19,584 Your timing is not convenient, Superintendent Wilkins. 579 00:38:19,585 --> 00:38:23,489 Can you at least give us a date when you expect to charge him? 580 00:38:24,425 --> 00:38:25,584 Not at present. 581 00:38:25,585 --> 00:38:29,425 But in the meantime, John's rights can just go hang? 582 00:38:29,465 --> 00:38:31,865 The safety of the public comes first. 583 00:38:32,744 --> 00:38:34,677 I think we all agree on that. 584 00:38:58,784 --> 00:39:01,317 Although we've got a stay of execution, 585 00:39:01,344 --> 00:39:04,928 he's guaranteed another parole hearing within 3-6 months. 586 00:39:04,945 --> 00:39:07,624 If, by then, Dr Gallop and her team still haven't found 587 00:39:07,625 --> 00:39:10,824 our golden nugget, he'll be released. 588 00:39:10,864 --> 00:39:13,024 But we're not gonna let that happen. 589 00:39:13,025 --> 00:39:15,664 It's time to send Cooper a message. 590 00:39:19,184 --> 00:39:20,625 Good evening. 591 00:39:20,664 --> 00:39:23,384 Organisers say we're on the eve of the biggest industrial dispute 592 00:39:23,385 --> 00:39:26,105 since the national strike of 1926. 593 00:39:26,144 --> 00:39:27,584 So, what's it all about, 594 00:39:27,585 --> 00:39:30,385 and how will it affect you and your family? 595 00:39:35,585 --> 00:39:37,184 - Cheers. - Cheers. 596 00:39:44,585 --> 00:39:46,223 We think one man did all four murders 597 00:39:46,224 --> 00:39:48,784 and we need your help to catch him. 598 00:39:48,824 --> 00:39:50,424 I want to make a personal televised 599 00:39:50,425 --> 00:39:52,904 appeal for information on the evening news. 600 00:39:52,905 --> 00:39:54,703 Do you think you'll get anything useful? 601 00:39:54,704 --> 00:39:56,824 It's a smokescreen. 602 00:39:56,864 --> 00:39:58,544 We're going to interview the suspect. 603 00:39:58,545 --> 00:40:01,863 I want to use the appeal to send a message to him in advance. 604 00:40:01,864 --> 00:40:04,624 Plant something in his brain, make him good and paranoid. 605 00:40:04,625 --> 00:40:06,863 We're reinvestigating the cases and we... 606 00:40:06,864 --> 00:40:09,872 are confident we'll catch the culprit using DNA. 607 00:40:10,744 --> 00:40:12,143 Have you found something? 608 00:40:12,144 --> 00:40:13,704 No. 609 00:40:13,744 --> 00:40:15,384 But he doesn't know that. 610 00:40:15,385 --> 00:40:17,904 And who better than the killer to help us refine our search? 611 00:40:17,905 --> 00:40:20,344 Handled right, liars have a way of 612 00:40:20,385 --> 00:40:22,918 telling you more than is good for them. 613 00:40:24,025 --> 00:40:26,223 OK, I'm on board, but just one thing, 614 00:40:26,224 --> 00:40:28,544 how can you be sure he'll be watching when you need him to? 615 00:40:28,545 --> 00:40:30,784 He's a creature of habit. 616 00:40:30,824 --> 00:40:35,025 I have it on good authority that he never misses Wales Tonight. 617 00:40:47,625 --> 00:40:49,025 Ta. 618 00:40:51,425 --> 00:40:53,225 About the news thing, boss. 619 00:40:54,065 --> 00:40:56,823 Are you gonna mention the kids? Nolton Hill? 620 00:40:56,824 --> 00:40:58,304 Definitely not. 621 00:40:59,545 --> 00:41:01,984 Why upset them when we don't even know if the CPS 622 00:41:01,985 --> 00:41:04,785 will include the offence on the indictment? 623 00:41:10,065 --> 00:41:13,713 There is someone who we should give a heads-up to, though. 624 00:41:44,264 --> 00:41:46,131 - Who is it? - Andrew Cooper? 625 00:41:47,224 --> 00:41:49,424 - Who wants to know? - The police. 626 00:41:55,864 --> 00:41:57,184 ID. 627 00:42:01,744 --> 00:42:03,465 Thank you. 628 00:42:05,784 --> 00:42:08,505 You're not an easy man to track down. 629 00:42:08,545 --> 00:42:11,617 We were looking for an Adrian, not Andrew Cooper. 630 00:42:12,744 --> 00:42:14,104 I get that a lot. 631 00:42:14,105 --> 00:42:15,624 Why did you change your name? 632 00:42:18,144 --> 00:42:19,784 Why are you here? 633 00:42:20,985 --> 00:42:23,984 We thought we should let you know that we are... 634 00:42:23,985 --> 00:42:26,303 investigating the possibility that your father 635 00:42:26,304 --> 00:42:29,624 may have been involved in other, more serious crimes. 636 00:42:29,625 --> 00:42:31,904 We're going to make a public appeal for information. 637 00:42:31,905 --> 00:42:35,041 I don't like people referring to him as my father. 638 00:42:36,945 --> 00:42:38,425 OK, I'm sorry. 639 00:42:38,465 --> 00:42:40,784 What would you prefer? 640 00:42:40,824 --> 00:42:42,105 His name. 641 00:42:44,184 --> 00:42:45,624 What other crimes? 642 00:42:47,105 --> 00:42:48,465 Four murders. 643 00:42:48,505 --> 00:42:50,824 Scoveston Park and Coastal Path. 644 00:42:54,025 --> 00:42:57,417 I'm not getting dragged back into all that shit again. 645 00:42:57,744 --> 00:43:00,011 I told Huntsman everything I know. 646 00:43:03,344 --> 00:43:04,823 He's got his father's eyes. 647 00:43:04,824 --> 00:43:06,223 Yeah, I clocked that. 648 00:43:06,224 --> 00:43:08,544 Why do you think he only changed his first name? 649 00:43:08,545 --> 00:43:10,743 If you wanna lie low, you change your surname. 650 00:43:10,744 --> 00:43:12,743 Maybe it wasn't about lying low. 651 00:43:12,744 --> 00:43:16,712 He changed his name in 1998, the same year Cooper was put away. 652 00:43:16,744 --> 00:43:18,703 Maybe it was about starting again. 653 00:43:18,704 --> 00:43:20,465 A new name, a new life. 654 00:43:20,505 --> 00:43:22,863 Doesn't look like that's working out too well for him. 655 00:43:22,864 --> 00:43:26,064 - The poor guy's a wreck. - And then we come along. 656 00:44:07,144 --> 00:44:09,025 - Are you OK? - Yeah. 657 00:44:09,065 --> 00:44:10,065 Mm-hm. 658 00:44:11,985 --> 00:44:14,785 It's just you and me having a conversation. 659 00:44:15,945 --> 00:44:17,105 Yeah. 660 00:44:18,105 --> 00:44:21,113 In front of a few hundred thousand people, live. 661 00:44:25,824 --> 00:44:28,105 You know, in my first year at uni, 662 00:44:28,144 --> 00:44:31,064 me and some of my mates went camping near here. 663 00:44:31,065 --> 00:44:34,073 It was July 1989. It was just after the murders. 664 00:44:35,625 --> 00:44:38,184 We saw all the police activity. 665 00:44:38,224 --> 00:44:39,744 The wanted posters. 666 00:44:40,945 --> 00:44:42,065 It was scary. 667 00:44:43,905 --> 00:44:45,505 Fascinating as well. 668 00:44:47,065 --> 00:44:50,201 It's what made me want to become a crime reporter. 669 00:44:52,545 --> 00:44:53,824 Good to go? 670 00:44:54,945 --> 00:44:56,625 - Let's do it. - Yeah. 671 00:45:16,985 --> 00:45:18,944 Good evening. We are live in Pembrokeshire, 672 00:45:18,945 --> 00:45:21,143 where there have been dramatic developments 673 00:45:21,144 --> 00:45:23,584 in two of Wales's most baffling crimes - 674 00:45:23,585 --> 00:45:26,064 the murders of Richard and Helen Thomas, 675 00:45:26,065 --> 00:45:27,743 and Peter and Gwenda Dixon. 676 00:45:27,744 --> 00:45:29,545 And now, decades on, 677 00:45:29,585 --> 00:45:32,263 these two double murders are being reinvestigated. 678 00:45:32,264 --> 00:45:34,303 Detective Superintendent Steve Wilkins 679 00:45:34,304 --> 00:45:37,585 is the man leading this reinvestigation. 680 00:45:37,625 --> 00:45:40,783 Developments in DNA analysis have revolutionised cold case reviews. 681 00:45:40,784 --> 00:45:43,223 As a team, we have brought these processes to bear 682 00:45:43,224 --> 00:45:44,703 on these two investigations 683 00:45:44,704 --> 00:45:47,344 and they have had a significant impact. 684 00:45:47,385 --> 00:45:50,743 We believe that somebody watching this programme tonight 685 00:45:50,744 --> 00:45:53,384 may know who is responsible for these terrible crimes. 686 00:45:53,385 --> 00:45:54,783 And I'm appealing to them, 687 00:45:54,784 --> 00:45:56,984 for the sake of the victims and their families, 688 00:45:56,985 --> 00:45:58,544 to please come forward. 689 00:45:58,545 --> 00:46:00,743 And do you think it's the same local man 690 00:46:00,744 --> 00:46:02,464 responsible for all four murders? 691 00:46:02,465 --> 00:46:04,104 I do believe that, Jonathan. 692 00:46:04,105 --> 00:46:06,944 Thanks to the advances in DNA forensic science, 693 00:46:06,945 --> 00:46:08,504 we are now in a much stronger position 694 00:46:08,505 --> 00:46:10,638 to catch the person responsible. 53477

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