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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,754 --> 00:00:12,688 When my life took the turn 2 00:00:12,756 --> 00:00:15,124 that it took, 3 00:00:15,192 --> 00:00:17,359 I said to myself, "Everywhere 4 00:00:17,427 --> 00:00:18,694 that I go for the rest of my 5 00:00:18,762 --> 00:00:20,462 life, somebody is gonna walk 6 00:00:20,530 --> 00:00:22,865 up to me and say...you.'" 7 00:00:26,603 --> 00:00:27,903 And so a couple of days go by 8 00:00:27,971 --> 00:00:30,706 and nobody said...you." 9 00:00:30,774 --> 00:00:32,441 And then months go by and years 10 00:00:32,509 --> 00:00:35,311 go by, and I'm like... 11 00:00:35,378 --> 00:00:36,212 I always know when somebody 12 00:00:36,313 --> 00:00:37,880 wants to say...you," 13 00:00:37,948 --> 00:00:39,615 but nobody does. 14 00:00:39,683 --> 00:00:41,417 Nobody ever does. 15 00:00:41,484 --> 00:00:44,753 So it took five years. 16 00:00:44,821 --> 00:00:46,121 I was staying in this 17 00:00:46,189 --> 00:00:48,657 rental house, called an Uber. 18 00:00:48,725 --> 00:00:49,592 He pulls up on the other side 19 00:00:49,659 --> 00:00:50,292 of the street 20 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,294 right in front of the bar. 21 00:00:52,362 --> 00:00:55,097 We cross the street 22 00:00:55,165 --> 00:00:55,998 and this guy stands up, 23 00:00:56,066 --> 00:00:58,334 and he says, "Hey, Lance." 24 00:00:58,401 --> 00:01:03,505 And I'm like, "What's up, man?" 25 00:01:03,573 --> 00:01:07,409 And he goes...you! 26 00:01:07,477 --> 00:01:11,480 ...you! ...you! ...you!" 27 00:01:11,548 --> 00:01:12,915 And the next thing you know -- 28 00:01:12,983 --> 00:01:14,350 he's with like six or seven 29 00:01:14,417 --> 00:01:17,653 people -- they all stand up 30 00:01:17,721 --> 00:01:19,922 and start going...you! 31 00:01:19,990 --> 00:01:21,790 ...you! ...you! 32 00:01:21,858 --> 00:01:24,827 You...cheater! ...you!" 33 00:01:26,863 --> 00:01:28,864 My friend says, "Get in the car 34 00:01:28,932 --> 00:01:31,433 right now," 'cause she's 35 00:01:31,501 --> 00:01:33,102 thinking, "He's about to walk 36 00:01:33,169 --> 00:01:34,303 over there and punch 37 00:01:34,371 --> 00:01:36,205 the...out of this guy," 38 00:01:36,273 --> 00:01:37,273 which would have been obviously 39 00:01:37,340 --> 00:01:38,440 a really bad idea. 40 00:01:38,508 --> 00:01:39,675 And I would have done 41 00:01:39,743 --> 00:01:43,545 that most of my life. 42 00:01:43,613 --> 00:01:45,014 I was shocked and I was mad, 43 00:01:45,081 --> 00:01:47,116 and I was like, 44 00:01:47,183 --> 00:01:49,451 "I have to do something. 45 00:01:49,519 --> 00:01:51,720 I have to act. I'm me. 46 00:01:51,788 --> 00:01:53,789 Me, Lance Armstrong, 47 00:01:53,857 --> 00:01:54,957 doesn't just let...like that 48 00:01:55,025 --> 00:01:57,993 happen and not do something." 49 00:01:58,061 --> 00:01:59,461 Call the bar. 50 00:01:59,529 --> 00:02:01,196 "Here's my credit card number. 51 00:02:01,264 --> 00:02:02,164 Whatever they're eating, 52 00:02:02,232 --> 00:02:03,232 whatever they're drinking -- 53 00:02:03,300 --> 00:02:04,199 I don't care what it is, 54 00:02:04,267 --> 00:02:06,335 how much it is, how expensive -- 55 00:02:06,403 --> 00:02:08,237 it's on me, under one 56 00:02:08,305 --> 00:02:10,906 condition -- You have to go out 57 00:02:10,974 --> 00:02:13,309 there and say, 'Guys, Lance 58 00:02:13,376 --> 00:02:15,544 took care of everything, 59 00:02:15,612 --> 00:02:17,012 and he sends his love.'" 60 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:17,980 I said, "Make sure you tell them 61 00:02:18,048 --> 00:02:19,581 that I send my love." 62 00:02:23,386 --> 00:02:24,586 Some people just can't chill 63 00:02:24,654 --> 00:02:25,654 the...out. 64 00:02:25,722 --> 00:02:26,722 They're pissed still, 65 00:02:26,790 --> 00:02:28,857 and they will be pissed forever. 66 00:02:42,739 --> 00:02:43,772 He does evoke a strong 67 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:44,707 response. 68 00:02:44,774 --> 00:02:47,176 Positive or negative. 69 00:02:47,243 --> 00:02:49,011 He is a person that gets 70 00:02:49,079 --> 00:02:51,847 into people's heads. 71 00:02:51,915 --> 00:02:53,215 And he knows that. 72 00:02:53,283 --> 00:02:55,184 He likes that. 73 00:02:55,285 --> 00:02:57,519 It's just 74 00:02:57,587 --> 00:02:59,021 the core of his identity 75 00:02:59,089 --> 00:03:01,357 that he's able to do that. 76 00:03:01,424 --> 00:03:05,260 The talk out there is that 77 00:03:05,328 --> 00:03:08,130 this is basically something to 78 00:03:08,198 --> 00:03:10,699 feature Lance Armstrong's effort 79 00:03:10,767 --> 00:03:12,401 to resurrect his reputation, 80 00:03:12,469 --> 00:03:14,370 and that yours is going to be 81 00:03:14,437 --> 00:03:17,406 a fairly sympathetic portrayal. 82 00:03:17,507 --> 00:03:18,273 It would be hard for me 83 00:03:18,341 --> 00:03:19,375 to believe that Lance won't try 84 00:03:19,442 --> 00:03:20,709 to shape any narrative 85 00:03:20,777 --> 00:03:22,611 about him, including yours, 86 00:03:22,679 --> 00:03:26,448 including anyone he deals with. 87 00:03:26,516 --> 00:03:27,383 I'm not gonna lie to you, 88 00:03:27,450 --> 00:03:30,085 Marina, I'm not. 89 00:03:30,153 --> 00:03:30,953 And I'm not saying 90 00:03:31,020 --> 00:03:32,554 that they will. 91 00:03:32,622 --> 00:03:36,558 But I'm gonna tell you my truth, 92 00:03:36,626 --> 00:03:39,461 and my truth is not my version. 93 00:03:39,529 --> 00:03:40,396 My truth is the way 94 00:03:40,463 --> 00:03:41,997 I remember it. 95 00:04:03,853 --> 00:04:07,022 This case with the postal 96 00:04:07,123 --> 00:04:08,123 qui tam case, there are really 97 00:04:08,191 --> 00:04:10,692 three parties, right? 98 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:11,927 There's me, there's 99 00:04:11,995 --> 00:04:13,162 the government and then there's 100 00:04:13,229 --> 00:04:13,996 the whistleblower, 101 00:04:14,063 --> 00:04:15,764 which is Floyd Landis. 102 00:04:15,832 --> 00:04:19,001 So, in order for the deal 103 00:04:19,068 --> 00:04:21,770 to go away or a deal to be made, 104 00:04:21,838 --> 00:04:22,771 all parties have to agree. 105 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:24,373 So we have agreed 106 00:04:24,441 --> 00:04:26,909 and settled with the government. 107 00:04:30,380 --> 00:04:31,113 You know, they started 108 00:04:31,181 --> 00:04:32,548 eight years ago 109 00:04:32,615 --> 00:04:35,651 for 100 million bucks, and, you 110 00:04:35,718 --> 00:04:36,885 know, and we settled it for 111 00:04:36,953 --> 00:04:38,120 five. 112 00:04:38,188 --> 00:04:42,191 So it's still a lot of money, 113 00:04:42,258 --> 00:04:47,529 but I avoid the nuclear option. 114 00:04:47,597 --> 00:04:48,630 Which is? 115 00:04:48,698 --> 00:04:49,898 Well, which is potentially 116 00:04:49,966 --> 00:04:51,667 $100 million, 117 00:04:51,734 --> 00:04:53,836 which is a number I don't have. 118 00:04:57,540 --> 00:04:58,340 You know, each side has 119 00:04:58,408 --> 00:04:59,708 to be willing to make a decision 120 00:04:59,776 --> 00:05:00,976 they don't want to make. 121 00:05:01,044 --> 00:05:02,411 I went above and beyond that, 122 00:05:02,479 --> 00:05:03,378 and at some point 123 00:05:03,446 --> 00:05:04,880 you just have to stop. 124 00:05:09,152 --> 00:05:10,018 Why would you not want 125 00:05:10,086 --> 00:05:11,687 to go to trial? 126 00:05:11,754 --> 00:05:12,221 It's funny. 127 00:05:12,288 --> 00:05:14,156 Like, if -- it sounds -- 128 00:05:14,224 --> 00:05:16,358 and it sounds stupid because 129 00:05:16,426 --> 00:05:17,359 if you believe in your case, 130 00:05:17,427 --> 00:05:18,160 you believe in your case 131 00:05:18,228 --> 00:05:20,028 and you think it's 100%. 132 00:05:20,096 --> 00:05:21,396 But they literally handicap 133 00:05:21,464 --> 00:05:22,831 these things. 134 00:05:22,899 --> 00:05:25,067 Like, okay, if they want 135 00:05:25,134 --> 00:05:27,870 $100 million, and there's a 10% 136 00:05:27,937 --> 00:05:29,104 chance you lose, 137 00:05:29,172 --> 00:05:30,072 then you should be willing to 138 00:05:30,139 --> 00:05:32,741 give them $10 million. 139 00:05:32,809 --> 00:05:36,011 They handicap it like that. 140 00:05:36,079 --> 00:05:37,880 So was there a 5% chance that I 141 00:05:37,947 --> 00:05:41,083 was gonna lose and get smoked? 142 00:05:41,150 --> 00:05:42,784 I mean, probably. 143 00:05:42,852 --> 00:05:46,455 Um... 144 00:05:46,522 --> 00:05:48,223 So, yeah. 145 00:05:48,291 --> 00:05:49,858 I never would've imagined I 146 00:05:49,926 --> 00:05:51,627 would've settled for that, but 147 00:05:51,694 --> 00:05:53,929 I'm happy that I did. 148 00:05:57,834 --> 00:05:58,700 So basically, what it means 149 00:05:58,768 --> 00:05:59,601 is we won't spend 150 00:05:59,669 --> 00:06:02,871 the month of May here. 151 00:06:02,939 --> 00:06:03,939 So I just got -- I just got 152 00:06:04,007 --> 00:06:06,875 a month of my life back... 153 00:06:06,943 --> 00:06:08,443 for $5 million. 154 00:06:08,511 --> 00:06:10,712 [ Chuckles ] 155 00:06:29,632 --> 00:06:30,465 The first time you 156 00:06:30,533 --> 00:06:33,101 ever doped, how old were you? 157 00:06:33,169 --> 00:06:35,003 [ Clears throat ] Wow. 158 00:06:35,071 --> 00:06:35,737 Straight into that. 159 00:06:35,805 --> 00:06:37,272 [ Chuckles ] 160 00:06:37,373 --> 00:06:38,140 The first time 161 00:06:38,207 --> 00:06:39,975 you ever doped? 162 00:06:40,043 --> 00:06:40,842 Oh, this is a sensitive 163 00:06:40,910 --> 00:06:41,910 topic. 164 00:06:41,978 --> 00:06:42,844 Um... 165 00:06:42,912 --> 00:06:44,980 [ Sighs ] 166 00:06:45,048 --> 00:06:46,148 You're gonna go there, 167 00:06:46,215 --> 00:06:47,482 right from the gun? 168 00:06:47,550 --> 00:06:50,118 [ Chuckles ] 169 00:06:50,186 --> 00:06:54,690 Probably...21. 170 00:06:54,757 --> 00:06:55,757 I had started doping, 171 00:06:55,825 --> 00:06:56,992 not extensively, but I had 172 00:06:57,060 --> 00:06:59,294 started doping by 1996. 173 00:06:59,362 --> 00:07:00,429 So I kind of got introduced 174 00:07:00,496 --> 00:07:02,998 to it from -- indirectly from a 175 00:07:03,066 --> 00:07:05,000 teammate. 176 00:07:05,068 --> 00:07:07,002 I knew it was either like 177 00:07:07,070 --> 00:07:09,104 join the club or go home 178 00:07:09,172 --> 00:07:10,472 and like finish school 179 00:07:10,540 --> 00:07:13,508 and go get a real job. 180 00:07:13,609 --> 00:07:14,543 There's a bunch of ways 181 00:07:14,610 --> 00:07:16,345 to define doping. 182 00:07:16,412 --> 00:07:17,546 The easiest way to define 183 00:07:17,613 --> 00:07:19,014 it is breaking the rules. 184 00:07:19,082 --> 00:07:20,549 Right, so were we getting 185 00:07:20,616 --> 00:07:22,451 injections of vitamins 186 00:07:22,518 --> 00:07:23,352 and other things 187 00:07:23,419 --> 00:07:24,686 like that at an earlier age? 188 00:07:24,754 --> 00:07:25,687 Yes, but they weren't illegal. 189 00:07:25,755 --> 00:07:27,723 So that, you know... 190 00:07:27,790 --> 00:07:29,691 But did you know? 191 00:07:29,759 --> 00:07:30,625 Know what? 192 00:07:30,693 --> 00:07:32,127 What was in those in -- 193 00:07:32,195 --> 00:07:32,861 Oh, of course. 194 00:07:32,929 --> 00:07:33,895 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on. 195 00:07:33,963 --> 00:07:34,830 I'm not one of those guys. 196 00:07:34,897 --> 00:07:36,231 I was like, "Ooh. 197 00:07:36,299 --> 00:07:38,000 What do we have here?" 198 00:07:38,067 --> 00:07:39,835 I always asked, I always knew 199 00:07:39,902 --> 00:07:41,036 and I always made the decision 200 00:07:41,104 --> 00:07:42,204 on my own. 201 00:07:42,271 --> 00:07:43,638 Nobody said, "Don't ask. 202 00:07:43,706 --> 00:07:45,040 This is what you're getting." 203 00:07:45,108 --> 00:07:46,308 I never, ever would have gone 204 00:07:46,376 --> 00:07:48,410 for that. 205 00:07:48,478 --> 00:07:49,711 I educated myself on what was 206 00:07:49,779 --> 00:07:51,213 being given, 207 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:52,581 and I chose to do it. 208 00:07:52,648 --> 00:07:56,818 [ Rain falling ] 209 00:08:20,476 --> 00:08:22,411 As a kid in Texas, you start 210 00:08:22,478 --> 00:08:23,912 with all the sports 211 00:08:23,980 --> 00:08:24,880 that everybody starts with -- 212 00:08:24,947 --> 00:08:25,680 with football, baseball, 213 00:08:25,748 --> 00:08:29,684 basketball, soccer. 214 00:08:29,752 --> 00:08:31,253 I just wasn't good. 215 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:32,421 I wasn't coordinated, I'm 216 00:08:32,488 --> 00:08:33,555 not -- I don't have great 217 00:08:33,623 --> 00:08:35,857 hand-eye coordination, I'm not 218 00:08:35,925 --> 00:08:39,361 fast. 219 00:08:39,429 --> 00:08:40,529 My mom said to me, "Why don't 220 00:08:40,596 --> 00:08:41,430 you join the swim team?" 221 00:08:41,497 --> 00:08:42,030 And I was like, 222 00:08:42,098 --> 00:08:43,198 "Well, I don't know how to swim" 223 00:08:43,266 --> 00:08:45,700 and 12 is late 224 00:08:45,768 --> 00:08:47,869 to join the swim team. 225 00:08:47,937 --> 00:08:48,537 I had to swim 226 00:08:48,604 --> 00:08:50,872 with the 6-year-olds. 227 00:08:50,940 --> 00:08:52,441 It was awful. 228 00:08:52,508 --> 00:08:56,778 It was -- It was just -- It was 229 00:08:56,846 --> 00:08:59,214 miserable. 230 00:08:59,282 --> 00:09:00,549 I cannot believe 231 00:09:00,616 --> 00:09:03,785 that I hung in there. 232 00:09:03,853 --> 00:09:05,253 I just didn't quit. 233 00:09:05,321 --> 00:09:06,721 And I never wanted to quit. 234 00:09:06,789 --> 00:09:07,889 I never came home like, 235 00:09:07,957 --> 00:09:08,824 "Mom, this is embarrassing. 236 00:09:08,891 --> 00:09:11,560 I'm swimming with 7-year-olds. 237 00:09:11,627 --> 00:09:12,994 I'm 12." 238 00:09:13,062 --> 00:09:14,262 If I do quit, then I don't 239 00:09:14,330 --> 00:09:15,964 start doing triathlons 240 00:09:16,032 --> 00:09:17,933 and I don't get on a bike. 241 00:09:23,906 --> 00:09:24,906 I caught on quickly, 242 00:09:24,974 --> 00:09:27,175 so I just kept moving up. 243 00:09:27,243 --> 00:09:28,977 It seemed like it was every week 244 00:09:29,045 --> 00:09:30,178 I was moving a lane over, 245 00:09:30,246 --> 00:09:32,080 moving a lane over. 246 00:09:32,148 --> 00:09:33,248 Until eventually I was, 247 00:09:33,316 --> 00:09:34,015 you know -- 248 00:09:34,083 --> 00:09:35,083 Well, then eventually 249 00:09:35,151 --> 00:09:37,285 at the age of 14, then I was -- 250 00:09:37,353 --> 00:09:39,654 I don't know -- I got like third 251 00:09:39,722 --> 00:09:41,756 at the Texas championships 252 00:09:41,824 --> 00:09:44,292 in the mile. 253 00:09:44,393 --> 00:09:47,195 I think he was 14 years old, 254 00:09:47,263 --> 00:09:48,463 and I met him at the swimming 255 00:09:48,531 --> 00:09:51,500 pool in Plano, Texas. 256 00:09:51,601 --> 00:09:53,368 We were in town for a big pro 257 00:09:53,436 --> 00:09:54,636 race, so we just found this 258 00:09:54,704 --> 00:09:56,271 pool -- it was kind of random -- 259 00:09:56,339 --> 00:09:58,673 and there's this little guy. 260 00:09:58,741 --> 00:10:00,609 He jumped in our lane 261 00:10:00,676 --> 00:10:02,544 and was just looking at us 262 00:10:02,612 --> 00:10:03,778 the whole day, and then after 263 00:10:03,846 --> 00:10:05,013 we got done with our workout, 264 00:10:05,081 --> 00:10:06,114 he was just hanging around 265 00:10:06,182 --> 00:10:07,516 and checking us out 266 00:10:07,583 --> 00:10:09,651 and asking questions. 267 00:10:09,719 --> 00:10:10,519 I mean, you couldn't -- 268 00:10:10,586 --> 00:10:14,055 he wouldn't be denied. 269 00:10:14,123 --> 00:10:15,056 In the water, it was 270 00:10:15,124 --> 00:10:15,790 unbelievable. 271 00:10:15,858 --> 00:10:17,893 He would just swim away from me. 272 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:19,728 He was an amazing swimmer. 273 00:10:19,795 --> 00:10:20,962 Not a pretty swimmer -- a lot of 274 00:10:21,030 --> 00:10:23,231 water flying everywhere. 275 00:10:23,299 --> 00:10:25,467 But he was just really strong. 276 00:10:25,535 --> 00:10:29,671 [ Water splashing ] 277 00:10:29,739 --> 00:10:31,973 Did Higgs tell you about this 278 00:10:32,041 --> 00:10:33,041 crazy thing we're doing up 279 00:10:33,109 --> 00:10:36,478 in Seattle there? 280 00:10:36,546 --> 00:10:37,712 September 23rd? 281 00:10:37,780 --> 00:10:38,346 Yeah. 282 00:10:38,414 --> 00:10:40,682 It sounds amazing. 283 00:10:40,750 --> 00:10:41,750 ...crazy. 284 00:10:41,817 --> 00:10:44,519 Really? What is it? 285 00:10:44,587 --> 00:10:45,320 I've never done it, 286 00:10:45,388 --> 00:10:50,225 but it's like a swim run. 287 00:10:50,293 --> 00:10:50,926 But you have to swim 288 00:10:50,993 --> 00:10:53,261 with your running shoes, 289 00:10:53,329 --> 00:10:54,596 run with your wet suit. 290 00:10:54,664 --> 00:10:55,564 No! 291 00:10:55,631 --> 00:10:56,665 Like four miles of swimming, 292 00:10:56,732 --> 00:10:58,099 20 miles of running. 293 00:10:58,167 --> 00:11:00,402 Wow. 294 00:11:00,469 --> 00:11:01,102 That's why 295 00:11:01,170 --> 00:11:03,071 we're here right now. 296 00:11:12,582 --> 00:11:13,281 So we'd been training 297 00:11:13,349 --> 00:11:16,117 together almost a year. 298 00:11:16,185 --> 00:11:17,252 The President's Triathlon 299 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,021 at the time was a big event. 300 00:11:20,089 --> 00:11:21,389 A lot of money, 301 00:11:21,457 --> 00:11:23,124 big invitational. 302 00:11:23,192 --> 00:11:26,027 So I knew the promoter, 303 00:11:26,095 --> 00:11:28,430 and I just said, "Hey, I've got 304 00:11:28,497 --> 00:11:30,198 this kid that I'm working with, 305 00:11:30,266 --> 00:11:32,534 and he's 15. 306 00:11:32,602 --> 00:11:33,935 I know that sounds ridiculous, 307 00:11:34,003 --> 00:11:35,904 but I would really like him 308 00:11:35,972 --> 00:11:37,872 to start the pro race." 309 00:11:37,940 --> 00:11:38,640 And this is the first time 310 00:11:38,708 --> 00:11:40,275 I've raced against Lance in a 311 00:11:40,343 --> 00:11:44,379 race where we start together. 312 00:11:44,447 --> 00:11:46,214 I never saw him. 313 00:11:46,282 --> 00:11:47,382 Out of the water way ahead of 314 00:11:47,450 --> 00:11:49,384 me, and then the story is -- 315 00:11:49,452 --> 00:11:50,385 of course, I'm not there, 316 00:11:50,453 --> 00:11:51,720 I'm behind, but I'm hearing 317 00:11:51,787 --> 00:11:52,554 all this stuff -- it's like 318 00:11:52,622 --> 00:11:53,788 he gets out of the water 319 00:11:53,856 --> 00:11:55,824 with the front guys. 320 00:11:55,891 --> 00:11:56,992 They were all looking 321 00:11:57,059 --> 00:11:58,660 at me going, "What 322 00:11:58,728 --> 00:11:59,561 is this kid doing here? 323 00:11:59,629 --> 00:12:00,562 Why is he coming 324 00:12:00,630 --> 00:12:02,297 out of the water ahead of me?" 325 00:12:02,365 --> 00:12:03,765 He's like talking to them, 326 00:12:03,833 --> 00:12:04,799 and they're like going, "Go 327 00:12:04,867 --> 00:12:05,634 away!" 328 00:12:05,701 --> 00:12:07,402 And I'm hearing these stories, 329 00:12:07,470 --> 00:12:08,336 and at the end of the day, 330 00:12:08,404 --> 00:12:09,771 like, he ended up leading 331 00:12:09,839 --> 00:12:11,306 this race at one point. 332 00:12:11,374 --> 00:12:12,407 Like, he started -- I think 333 00:12:12,475 --> 00:12:14,509 he started the run out front 334 00:12:14,577 --> 00:12:16,278 by a long ways. 335 00:12:16,345 --> 00:12:18,513 And this is a 15-year-old kid 336 00:12:18,581 --> 00:12:19,848 with the best triathletes 337 00:12:19,915 --> 00:12:23,184 in the world. 338 00:12:23,286 --> 00:12:24,085 And it's so funny because 339 00:12:24,153 --> 00:12:25,654 I believe it was Mark Allen 340 00:12:25,721 --> 00:12:28,156 that won that race. 341 00:12:28,224 --> 00:12:30,258 It was Lance on television. 342 00:12:30,359 --> 00:12:31,092 It was Lance 343 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:31,993 getting the interviews. 344 00:12:32,061 --> 00:12:35,764 He was the story. 345 00:12:35,831 --> 00:12:37,132 His life was never the same 346 00:12:37,199 --> 00:12:39,167 after that. 347 00:12:39,235 --> 00:12:40,035 I like going out on 348 00:12:40,102 --> 00:12:40,935 the weekends and having fun 349 00:12:41,003 --> 00:12:42,804 with my friends. 350 00:12:42,872 --> 00:12:45,440 And I like girls, too. 351 00:12:45,508 --> 00:12:46,641 [ Chuckles ] 352 00:12:49,445 --> 00:12:50,845 Even from an early age, he 353 00:12:50,913 --> 00:12:51,880 had that very A-type 354 00:12:51,947 --> 00:12:53,548 personality. 355 00:12:53,616 --> 00:12:55,483 It was full throttle 356 00:12:55,551 --> 00:12:56,951 all the time. 357 00:12:57,053 --> 00:12:58,186 If we went to go do something 358 00:12:58,254 --> 00:13:00,855 it was -- he had to just do it 359 00:13:00,923 --> 00:13:03,792 better or crazier. 360 00:13:03,893 --> 00:13:05,293 If we lit one firecracker, he 361 00:13:05,361 --> 00:13:07,362 had to light 100 firecrackers. 362 00:13:07,430 --> 00:13:09,698 It was just that constant -- 363 00:13:09,765 --> 00:13:13,468 that constant push at all times. 364 00:13:13,536 --> 00:13:14,636 Four-point range. 365 00:13:14,704 --> 00:13:15,303 Armstrong 366 00:13:15,371 --> 00:13:16,538 for the three-pointer. 367 00:13:20,710 --> 00:13:21,910 That's what made it, I think, 368 00:13:21,977 --> 00:13:23,745 hard for a parent 369 00:13:23,813 --> 00:13:25,180 is at an early age he had 370 00:13:25,247 --> 00:13:26,247 an idea of where he wanted to go 371 00:13:26,315 --> 00:13:27,182 and what he was gonna do, 372 00:13:27,249 --> 00:13:30,352 and there was no stopping that. 373 00:13:30,453 --> 00:13:31,586 When you're competing 374 00:13:31,654 --> 00:13:32,821 on a professional level 375 00:13:32,888 --> 00:13:33,822 with the pros, 376 00:13:33,889 --> 00:13:35,657 you've got competition. 377 00:13:35,725 --> 00:13:40,662 And Lance is a very driven 378 00:13:40,730 --> 00:13:43,998 person, and he loves challenges. 379 00:13:44,100 --> 00:13:45,934 She always believed 380 00:13:46,001 --> 00:13:47,068 I could do anything. 381 00:13:47,136 --> 00:13:48,770 She wasn't a real disciplinarian 382 00:13:48,838 --> 00:13:49,204 either. 383 00:13:49,271 --> 00:13:50,605 I mean, I sort of did 384 00:13:50,673 --> 00:13:52,540 whatever I wanted to do, which 385 00:13:52,608 --> 00:13:54,376 is a miracle I'm not, like, a 386 00:13:54,443 --> 00:13:56,177 mass murderer at this point. 387 00:13:56,245 --> 00:13:57,445 But she was -- and she was 388 00:13:57,513 --> 00:13:58,947 young, I mean, we know that -- 389 00:13:59,014 --> 00:14:00,548 everybody knows she was young. 390 00:14:03,819 --> 00:14:06,087 I was this young, young girl 391 00:14:06,155 --> 00:14:08,690 growing up in Texas. 392 00:14:08,758 --> 00:14:11,760 Drill team, homecoming princess 393 00:14:11,827 --> 00:14:12,694 and this and that. 394 00:14:12,762 --> 00:14:14,262 And I'm 16 years old, 395 00:14:14,330 --> 00:14:17,899 and I get pregnant. 396 00:14:17,967 --> 00:14:19,267 Not something your mom 397 00:14:19,335 --> 00:14:20,468 wants to hear about, 398 00:14:20,536 --> 00:14:23,071 but truly this was my salvation. 399 00:14:23,139 --> 00:14:25,740 And I gave birth 400 00:14:25,808 --> 00:14:28,543 to this 9-pound, 12-ounce -- 401 00:14:28,611 --> 00:14:30,211 almost 10-pound baby boy. 402 00:14:30,279 --> 00:14:31,446 Came the day he was due 403 00:14:31,514 --> 00:14:35,750 when I was 17 years old. 404 00:14:35,818 --> 00:14:41,055 Golly darn, he was so cute! 405 00:14:41,123 --> 00:14:43,224 If you think about having me 406 00:14:43,292 --> 00:14:44,926 at 17, we really grew up 407 00:14:44,994 --> 00:14:48,596 together. 408 00:14:48,664 --> 00:14:50,064 When I was 5, she was 22. 409 00:14:50,132 --> 00:14:51,633 So, and, you know, 410 00:14:51,700 --> 00:14:55,470 when I was 20, she was 37. 411 00:14:58,908 --> 00:15:00,341 I didn't know anything about 412 00:15:00,409 --> 00:15:01,609 my biological father. 413 00:15:01,710 --> 00:15:03,645 I mean, he -- I knew his name. 414 00:15:03,712 --> 00:15:07,248 His name was Eddie Gunderson. 415 00:15:07,316 --> 00:15:08,516 But if somebody would have said 416 00:15:08,584 --> 00:15:10,118 to me, "Where does he live?" 417 00:15:10,186 --> 00:15:10,785 I would have said, 418 00:15:10,853 --> 00:15:11,753 "I don't know." 419 00:15:11,821 --> 00:15:15,290 And I didn't want to know. 420 00:15:15,357 --> 00:15:16,958 Not in a mean way, but I just -- 421 00:15:17,026 --> 00:15:18,092 I wasn't interested. 422 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:19,794 He chose to leave our lives 423 00:15:19,862 --> 00:15:21,796 and he never tried 424 00:15:21,864 --> 00:15:25,266 to come back into the lives. 425 00:15:27,336 --> 00:15:30,205 The marriage ended quickly. 426 00:15:30,272 --> 00:15:33,508 It was an abusive 427 00:15:33,576 --> 00:15:34,843 relationship, and again, 428 00:15:34,910 --> 00:15:36,211 it was just one of those 429 00:15:36,278 --> 00:15:38,513 situations that for the good 430 00:15:38,581 --> 00:15:40,014 of my son and myself 431 00:15:40,082 --> 00:15:41,683 I needed to move on. 432 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,122 I had a date with Linda. 433 00:15:48,190 --> 00:15:49,324 I picked her up at her 434 00:15:49,391 --> 00:15:51,793 apartment, and we went out to 435 00:15:51,861 --> 00:15:53,161 dinner. 436 00:15:53,262 --> 00:15:56,965 And we came home, 437 00:15:57,032 --> 00:15:58,700 and here was this little boy. 438 00:16:03,739 --> 00:16:05,907 I saw the picture in my mind 439 00:16:05,975 --> 00:16:11,813 of a family ready to go. 440 00:16:11,881 --> 00:16:13,481 I adopted Lance when, I believe, 441 00:16:13,549 --> 00:16:14,883 he was 3 years old. 442 00:16:14,950 --> 00:16:16,217 That's why Lance's last name 443 00:16:16,285 --> 00:16:20,054 is Armstrong, because when you 444 00:16:20,122 --> 00:16:21,823 adopt somebody, they change 445 00:16:21,891 --> 00:16:23,091 the birth certificate. 446 00:16:23,158 --> 00:16:24,559 So my name is on his birth 447 00:16:24,627 --> 00:16:26,828 certificate as the father. 448 00:16:29,999 --> 00:16:30,732 As I was growing up, 449 00:16:30,799 --> 00:16:32,400 she was married twice. 450 00:16:32,468 --> 00:16:34,235 And they were -- You know, 451 00:16:34,303 --> 00:16:35,904 they were okay guys. 452 00:16:35,971 --> 00:16:36,571 I mean, they were -- 453 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:38,539 they were not terrible. 454 00:16:38,607 --> 00:16:39,674 Terry Armstrong might have been 455 00:16:39,742 --> 00:16:41,042 kind of terrible. 456 00:16:41,110 --> 00:16:41,776 I mean, you talk 457 00:16:41,844 --> 00:16:42,777 about disciplinarian -- 458 00:16:42,845 --> 00:16:44,045 I mean, if I left -- 459 00:16:44,113 --> 00:16:45,346 if he said, "Don't leave your 460 00:16:45,414 --> 00:16:48,883 drawer open or you're gonna 461 00:16:48,951 --> 00:16:50,251 be in trouble," and sure enough 462 00:16:50,319 --> 00:16:51,686 I would leave a drawer open, 463 00:16:51,754 --> 00:16:52,921 and he would pull out his 464 00:16:52,988 --> 00:16:54,455 fraternity paddle and just beat 465 00:16:54,523 --> 00:16:55,890 the...out of me. 466 00:16:55,958 --> 00:16:57,292 It's like, if I did that, I 467 00:16:57,359 --> 00:16:58,593 mean, my kids would be getting 468 00:16:58,661 --> 00:16:59,928 spanked every minute of every 469 00:16:59,995 --> 00:17:01,229 day. 470 00:17:01,297 --> 00:17:02,597 Like, who cares 471 00:17:02,665 --> 00:17:05,934 if the...drawer is open? 472 00:17:06,001 --> 00:17:07,435 I was tough on him as far 473 00:17:07,503 --> 00:17:09,370 as cleaning his room up 474 00:17:09,438 --> 00:17:12,540 and, you know, being orderly. 475 00:17:12,608 --> 00:17:13,808 And Linda was always there 476 00:17:13,876 --> 00:17:17,111 when I -- when I did it. 477 00:17:17,179 --> 00:17:18,379 It wasn't a belt. 478 00:17:18,447 --> 00:17:20,114 There wasn't hitting him. 479 00:17:20,182 --> 00:17:21,416 It was just bend over 480 00:17:21,483 --> 00:17:22,617 and take your licks. 481 00:17:26,522 --> 00:17:29,757 That came from five years 482 00:17:29,825 --> 00:17:31,793 in a military school. 483 00:17:31,860 --> 00:17:33,061 Very regimented. 484 00:17:33,128 --> 00:17:37,632 So I was kind of by-the-book. 485 00:17:37,700 --> 00:17:39,334 The failure of my bringing up 486 00:17:39,401 --> 00:17:44,172 Lance...I was the taskmaster, 487 00:17:44,239 --> 00:17:45,807 but I didn't put my arms around 488 00:17:45,874 --> 00:17:47,442 him enough and tell him I loved 489 00:17:47,509 --> 00:17:49,143 him. 490 00:17:49,211 --> 00:17:50,578 I was always there, 491 00:17:50,646 --> 00:17:51,612 always coaching him, 492 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,014 always pushing him, 493 00:17:53,082 --> 00:17:54,182 but I didn't show him the love 494 00:17:54,249 --> 00:17:56,017 that I should have. 495 00:17:59,154 --> 00:18:00,488 Lance would not be the champion 496 00:18:00,556 --> 00:18:02,790 he is today without me, 497 00:18:02,858 --> 00:18:04,325 'cause I drove him. 498 00:18:04,393 --> 00:18:06,127 I drove him like an animal. 499 00:18:10,366 --> 00:18:10,999 That's the only thing 500 00:18:11,066 --> 00:18:13,668 I feel bad about -- 501 00:18:13,736 --> 00:18:16,037 did I make him too much 502 00:18:16,105 --> 00:18:17,538 win-at-all-cost? 503 00:18:21,744 --> 00:18:22,477 They were sort of done 504 00:18:22,544 --> 00:18:24,178 when I was around 15, 505 00:18:24,246 --> 00:18:25,513 which was great and fine 506 00:18:25,581 --> 00:18:26,314 and then it was back to me 507 00:18:26,382 --> 00:18:29,851 and my mom. 508 00:18:29,918 --> 00:18:30,718 I would always think about 509 00:18:30,786 --> 00:18:32,653 changing my name back to -- 510 00:18:32,721 --> 00:18:34,022 I guess my biological name. 511 00:18:34,089 --> 00:18:36,791 But I never even began to start 512 00:18:36,859 --> 00:18:38,059 that process, so it couldn't 513 00:18:38,127 --> 00:18:39,961 have been that serious. 514 00:18:40,029 --> 00:18:41,029 And then at some point 515 00:18:41,096 --> 00:18:42,330 it's too late, you know, because 516 00:18:42,398 --> 00:18:46,200 by the age of 15, you know, 517 00:18:46,268 --> 00:18:47,301 I was already establishing 518 00:18:47,369 --> 00:18:50,538 myself and my career and "brand" 519 00:18:50,606 --> 00:18:51,539 or whatever that means, 520 00:18:51,607 --> 00:18:55,543 and so then it was too late. 521 00:18:55,611 --> 00:18:56,310 Plus it's a good name. 522 00:18:56,378 --> 00:18:57,512 I like the name. 523 00:18:57,579 --> 00:18:58,346 Lance Armstrong. 524 00:18:58,414 --> 00:18:59,647 I think that's a good name. 525 00:18:59,715 --> 00:19:00,248 It's better 526 00:19:00,315 --> 00:19:02,884 than Lance Gunderson. 527 00:19:02,951 --> 00:19:04,685 That's kind of a weird name. 528 00:19:11,093 --> 00:19:12,226 A lot of these races in 529 00:19:12,294 --> 00:19:13,995 the Texas or in the Southwest, 530 00:19:14,063 --> 00:19:15,563 you had to be minimum age 531 00:19:15,631 --> 00:19:17,331 to do a triathlon, 532 00:19:17,399 --> 00:19:18,366 you had to be 16. 533 00:19:18,434 --> 00:19:19,434 So we'd forge my birth 534 00:19:19,501 --> 00:19:22,603 certificate. 535 00:19:22,671 --> 00:19:24,405 I understand the reason 536 00:19:24,473 --> 00:19:26,007 for the certain age requirements 537 00:19:26,075 --> 00:19:27,208 because there's 538 00:19:27,276 --> 00:19:28,242 a lot of liabilities, 539 00:19:28,310 --> 00:19:29,010 they were gonna swim 540 00:19:29,078 --> 00:19:30,878 in a lake and this and that. 541 00:19:30,946 --> 00:19:35,049 But it meant so much to him. 542 00:19:35,117 --> 00:19:36,384 Get in, just enter and then 543 00:19:36,452 --> 00:19:37,185 kick their ass. 544 00:19:37,252 --> 00:19:38,453 Like, just win. 545 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,788 So forge the birth certificate, 546 00:19:40,856 --> 00:19:42,423 compete illegally 547 00:19:42,491 --> 00:19:46,461 and beat everybody. 548 00:20:26,262 --> 00:20:28,129 That bully thing that has 549 00:20:28,197 --> 00:20:30,899 come up a lot in the rhetoric 550 00:20:30,966 --> 00:20:32,300 about him over the years, 551 00:20:32,368 --> 00:20:34,736 I mean, I saw that from day one. 552 00:20:38,340 --> 00:20:39,641 Bermuda was the biggest 553 00:20:39,708 --> 00:20:40,809 race in the world. 554 00:20:40,876 --> 00:20:43,077 Ridiculous prize list. 555 00:20:43,145 --> 00:20:44,078 Everybody was flown in. 556 00:20:44,146 --> 00:20:45,013 All the top triathletes 557 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,483 were flown in. 558 00:20:48,551 --> 00:20:50,018 I rented him a scooter. 559 00:20:50,085 --> 00:20:52,320 My credit card. 560 00:20:52,388 --> 00:20:53,188 "This is how you get around. 561 00:20:53,255 --> 00:20:53,955 This will be fun 562 00:20:54,023 --> 00:20:57,492 if you want to go somewhere." 563 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:58,760 Well, he abused the scooter 564 00:20:58,828 --> 00:20:59,994 pretty bad. 565 00:21:00,062 --> 00:21:01,796 He didn't take care of it. 566 00:21:01,864 --> 00:21:02,997 He didn't bring it back 567 00:21:03,065 --> 00:21:04,499 when he should have. 568 00:21:04,567 --> 00:21:06,334 "Well, man, don't worry about 569 00:21:06,402 --> 00:21:06,968 it. 570 00:21:07,036 --> 00:21:08,703 Just don't worry about it." 571 00:21:08,771 --> 00:21:10,638 Like he's actually saying, 572 00:21:10,706 --> 00:21:12,707 "I can beat you, so there's 573 00:21:12,775 --> 00:21:15,310 nothing more you can do for me." 574 00:21:15,377 --> 00:21:16,878 And then I remember having 575 00:21:16,946 --> 00:21:18,513 a hard time with Linda on that. 576 00:21:18,581 --> 00:21:19,981 It's like, "Okay, Linda, take 577 00:21:20,049 --> 00:21:21,282 him to Bermuda, he's breaking 578 00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:22,217 stuff, he takes no 579 00:21:22,284 --> 00:21:23,551 responsibility for anything and 580 00:21:23,619 --> 00:21:24,986 then he's mouthy and 581 00:21:25,054 --> 00:21:26,888 disrespectful." 582 00:21:26,956 --> 00:21:28,289 And she's like, "Well, you don't 583 00:21:28,357 --> 00:21:30,458 have any authority over him." 584 00:21:30,526 --> 00:21:31,292 I'm like, "You're the one 585 00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:32,861 that sent me there 586 00:21:32,928 --> 00:21:36,064 to be his chaperone." 587 00:21:36,131 --> 00:21:37,232 So I kind of got flicked 588 00:21:37,299 --> 00:21:39,901 at that point, and that stung. 589 00:21:39,969 --> 00:21:41,736 That stung a lot. 590 00:21:49,678 --> 00:21:53,481 I was the hot shot junior, 591 00:21:53,549 --> 00:21:57,051 the poster boy of USA Cycling. 592 00:21:57,152 --> 00:21:58,319 We were at the Olympic training 593 00:21:58,387 --> 00:22:00,188 center, and we started hearing 594 00:22:00,256 --> 00:22:02,891 stories about these two kids 595 00:22:02,958 --> 00:22:04,559 from Plano, Texas, that were 596 00:22:04,627 --> 00:22:06,928 triathletes. 597 00:22:06,996 --> 00:22:08,162 And I hear all these stories 598 00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:09,430 about this one kid 599 00:22:09,498 --> 00:22:13,201 in particular named Lance. 600 00:22:13,269 --> 00:22:15,169 And I'm like, "Okay, how good 601 00:22:15,237 --> 00:22:18,439 could this guy be?" 602 00:22:18,507 --> 00:22:21,676 Of course the coach pairs me 603 00:22:21,744 --> 00:22:24,512 with Lance for a 10-minute, 604 00:22:24,580 --> 00:22:25,346 two-man time trial, 605 00:22:25,414 --> 00:22:27,849 which is basically two guys 606 00:22:27,917 --> 00:22:29,417 swapping off as hard 607 00:22:29,485 --> 00:22:30,718 as you can go five minutes 608 00:22:30,786 --> 00:22:31,419 down the road, 609 00:22:31,487 --> 00:22:33,855 five minutes up the road. 610 00:22:33,923 --> 00:22:37,358 First segment was a tailwind. 611 00:22:37,426 --> 00:22:39,694 So we were going quite fast, 612 00:22:39,762 --> 00:22:42,130 and I wasn't impressed. 613 00:22:42,197 --> 00:22:43,197 I was like, "This is the guy 614 00:22:43,265 --> 00:22:44,799 that they're talking about?" 615 00:22:44,867 --> 00:22:47,068 I was just like, 616 00:22:47,136 --> 00:22:48,436 "Okay, you know, 617 00:22:48,504 --> 00:22:51,239 this was a lot of talk." 618 00:22:51,307 --> 00:22:52,473 But as soon as we turned 619 00:22:52,541 --> 00:22:53,942 around into the headwind, 620 00:22:54,009 --> 00:22:55,643 which is much harder, 621 00:22:55,711 --> 00:22:57,312 he started taking these pulls, 622 00:22:57,379 --> 00:22:59,814 and I was, like, 623 00:22:59,882 --> 00:23:01,316 absolutely on the rivet. 624 00:23:01,383 --> 00:23:04,085 I was faking it 625 00:23:04,153 --> 00:23:06,154 as good as I could, 626 00:23:06,221 --> 00:23:08,589 but when the horn 627 00:23:08,657 --> 00:23:10,892 was sounded from behind 628 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,327 and I'm just relieved 629 00:23:12,394 --> 00:23:14,095 that it's over, 630 00:23:14,163 --> 00:23:16,998 and he starts yelling at me, 631 00:23:17,066 --> 00:23:18,166 "Come on, you... 632 00:23:18,233 --> 00:23:19,901 Let's keep going. 633 00:23:19,969 --> 00:23:21,736 Let's keep going. 634 00:23:21,804 --> 00:23:26,007 I'm not done yet." 635 00:23:26,075 --> 00:23:27,675 I can barely stay on my bike now 636 00:23:27,743 --> 00:23:28,743 and this kid is basically 637 00:23:28,811 --> 00:23:31,779 just warming up. 638 00:23:31,847 --> 00:23:32,680 And you realize right then 639 00:23:32,748 --> 00:23:35,483 and there -- This kid 640 00:23:35,551 --> 00:23:38,119 is a totally different level. 641 00:23:38,187 --> 00:23:39,253 And I just happened to meet 642 00:23:39,321 --> 00:23:40,621 the strongest cyclist 643 00:23:40,689 --> 00:23:42,457 maybe of all time 644 00:23:42,524 --> 00:23:44,292 when I was 17 years old. 645 00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:46,828 [ Laughs ] 646 00:23:46,895 --> 00:23:48,029 I don't -- I don't -- 647 00:23:48,097 --> 00:47:37,833 I don't remember, 648 00:23:48,931 --> 00:23:51,366 but that's entirely possible. 649 00:23:51,433 --> 00:23:52,867 I might have called him a... 650 00:23:52,935 --> 00:23:56,037 but we're buddies now. 651 00:23:56,105 --> 00:23:57,805 But he wasn't -- he wasn't a -- 652 00:23:57,873 --> 00:23:59,273 He was a whiner, 653 00:23:59,341 --> 00:24:00,475 but he wasn't a... 654 00:24:04,113 --> 00:24:05,380 I did one of the first races, 655 00:24:05,447 --> 00:24:06,714 bike races, pure bike races 656 00:24:06,782 --> 00:24:08,483 that he ever did. 657 00:24:08,550 --> 00:24:09,984 And we didn't know who he was. 658 00:24:10,052 --> 00:24:10,551 I didn't know 659 00:24:10,619 --> 00:24:11,452 what he looked like. 660 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:12,353 I didn't even know he was there 661 00:24:12,421 --> 00:24:12,887 at that race. 662 00:24:12,955 --> 00:24:13,955 I'd kind of heard a little bit 663 00:24:14,023 --> 00:24:16,724 about the legend. 664 00:24:16,825 --> 00:24:19,394 Right from the first 10 feet 665 00:24:19,461 --> 00:24:21,896 of the race we were full blast. 666 00:24:21,964 --> 00:24:24,298 I mean, we were going 35 miles 667 00:24:24,366 --> 00:24:26,868 an hour before, you know, 668 00:24:26,935 --> 00:24:29,704 before I'd even warmed up. 669 00:24:29,772 --> 00:24:31,572 As we were in 670 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:32,540 the first miles of the race 671 00:24:32,608 --> 00:24:33,674 and we were going twice 672 00:24:33,742 --> 00:24:35,043 the speed that we would have 673 00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:36,344 normally at that section of 674 00:24:36,412 --> 00:24:37,078 road -- Bobby 675 00:24:37,146 --> 00:24:38,012 was my buddy back then. 676 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,080 And, you know, I rode up 677 00:24:39,148 --> 00:24:40,148 to Bobby and I'm like, "What is 678 00:24:40,215 --> 00:24:41,416 going on?" 679 00:24:41,483 --> 00:24:43,251 And, you know, he screamed back, 680 00:24:43,318 --> 00:24:45,420 and he was like, "That's Lance!" 681 00:24:45,487 --> 00:24:46,220 And, you know, 682 00:24:46,288 --> 00:24:47,321 and that's sort of in a way 683 00:24:47,389 --> 00:24:48,423 how I was introduced to Lance -- 684 00:24:48,490 --> 00:24:50,591 as in that Bobby -- you know, 685 00:24:50,659 --> 00:24:51,526 Bobby said, "That's the guy 686 00:24:51,593 --> 00:24:52,360 you've been hearing about. 687 00:24:52,428 --> 00:24:55,763 That's why we're going so fast." 688 00:24:55,831 --> 00:24:57,498 Whoa. 689 00:24:57,566 --> 00:25:00,234 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 690 00:25:02,604 --> 00:25:07,108 [ Engine starts ] 691 00:25:07,176 --> 00:25:10,812 Okeydokey...slowpokey. 692 00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:19,087 Well, I graduated high school 693 00:25:19,154 --> 00:25:22,690 at 17 and then left right away. 694 00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:26,294 And came here or not? 695 00:25:26,361 --> 00:25:27,562 Drove -- Drove -- 696 00:25:27,629 --> 00:25:29,564 Loaded up a U-haul and drove 697 00:25:29,631 --> 00:25:32,266 here. 698 00:25:32,334 --> 00:25:34,102 I was just making the transition 699 00:25:34,169 --> 00:25:36,370 then to full-time cycling. 700 00:25:36,438 --> 00:25:38,306 So no more tris, no more 701 00:25:38,373 --> 00:25:41,742 swimming, no more running. 702 00:25:41,810 --> 00:25:42,643 From a very young age, 703 00:25:42,711 --> 00:25:45,480 even on a little BMX bike 704 00:25:45,547 --> 00:25:47,548 I enjoyed the escape 705 00:25:47,616 --> 00:25:49,550 of being on a bike. 706 00:25:49,618 --> 00:25:51,385 I was just gonna give it a go 707 00:25:51,453 --> 00:25:53,254 and see what happened. 708 00:25:53,322 --> 00:25:59,227 I got my first -- I guess 1990 709 00:25:59,294 --> 00:26:00,394 was like my first contract 710 00:26:00,462 --> 00:26:03,831 with a cycling team. 711 00:26:03,899 --> 00:26:07,802 I made $18,000 a year. 712 00:26:07,870 --> 00:26:09,103 $1,500 a month. 713 00:26:09,171 --> 00:26:10,671 My rent was $300. 714 00:26:10,739 --> 00:26:14,509 I was like, "I'm...loaded. 715 00:26:14,576 --> 00:26:15,109 I'm loaded." 716 00:26:15,177 --> 00:26:17,111 I was saving money. 717 00:26:17,179 --> 00:26:18,513 And then I think the next year 718 00:26:18,580 --> 00:26:22,650 I made like $24,000. 719 00:26:22,718 --> 00:26:25,019 $2,000 a month. 720 00:26:25,087 --> 00:52:51,723 Then I got recruited away 721 00:26:25,921 --> 00:26:27,088 to go to Motorola, which was 722 00:26:27,156 --> 00:26:29,257 a big professional team. 723 00:26:29,324 --> 00:26:30,458 And then it was sort of 724 00:26:30,526 --> 00:26:32,593 off to the races. 725 00:26:32,661 --> 00:26:34,762 No pun intended. 726 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,707 When I ride a bike, 727 00:26:46,775 --> 00:26:49,544 I can get in a faraway place, 728 00:26:49,611 --> 00:26:52,780 right, or space. 729 00:26:52,848 --> 00:26:54,982 I would think about my goals 730 00:26:55,050 --> 00:26:57,018 or my competition. 731 00:27:00,088 --> 00:27:01,188 And if it was an intense day, 732 00:27:01,256 --> 00:27:02,223 I'd have to -- In my mind, 733 00:27:02,291 --> 00:27:03,190 I would have to 734 00:27:03,258 --> 00:27:04,625 make up these little rivalries, 735 00:27:04,693 --> 00:27:05,626 even if they didn't exist. 736 00:27:05,694 --> 00:27:09,163 I'd just get my hate on. 737 00:27:09,231 --> 00:27:11,632 But then also think about plans. 738 00:27:11,700 --> 00:27:13,801 I would think about making plans 739 00:27:13,869 --> 00:27:15,303 or what my plan was 740 00:27:15,370 --> 00:27:20,341 in my sport, my future. 741 00:27:20,409 --> 00:27:22,877 Yeah, just sort of daydreaming. 742 00:27:28,083 --> 00:27:28,916 How old were you 743 00:27:28,984 --> 00:27:31,485 when you decided to use 744 00:27:31,553 --> 00:27:35,089 an illegal doping product? 745 00:27:35,157 --> 00:27:37,258 In terms of crossing the line 746 00:27:37,326 --> 00:27:38,492 into something that 747 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,227 if you would have admitted 748 00:27:40,295 --> 00:27:41,429 or could've tested positive 749 00:27:41,496 --> 00:27:43,030 for, then that -- that wouldn't 750 00:27:43,098 --> 00:27:45,032 have been until 21 years old. 751 00:27:45,100 --> 00:27:48,269 My first professional season. 752 00:27:48,337 --> 00:27:49,770 [ Indistinct conversations, 753 00:27:49,838 --> 00:27:50,605 gunshot ] 754 00:27:50,672 --> 00:27:52,840 Well, the gun goes and nobody 755 00:27:52,908 --> 00:27:54,108 is going to be in any particular 756 00:27:54,176 --> 00:27:55,743 hurry here to break away. 757 00:27:55,811 --> 00:27:57,078 They're expecting the best part 758 00:27:57,145 --> 00:27:58,412 of six and a half hours in the 759 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,548 saddle, and if these conditions 760 00:28:00,616 --> 00:28:02,016 do persist, then they are going 761 00:28:02,084 --> 00:28:04,518 to be very miserable indeed. 762 00:28:04,586 --> 00:28:06,220 At that time in the sport, 763 00:28:06,288 --> 00:28:07,355 it was cortisone 764 00:28:07,422 --> 00:28:08,956 or cortisone precursors 765 00:28:09,024 --> 00:28:09,790 or, you know, drugs 766 00:28:09,858 --> 00:28:11,525 that stimulate your body's 767 00:28:11,593 --> 00:28:12,893 own production of cortisone. 768 00:28:12,961 --> 00:28:14,195 Well, the hat has gone 769 00:28:14,262 --> 00:28:14,962 in the pocket. 770 00:28:15,030 --> 00:28:16,697 It's come down to very serious 771 00:28:16,765 --> 00:28:18,599 stuff now by the 21-year-old. 772 00:28:18,667 --> 00:28:20,034 He won't be 22 till the end 773 00:28:20,102 --> 00:28:21,469 of this year. 774 00:28:21,536 --> 00:28:22,803 He's one of the youngest-ever 775 00:28:22,871 --> 00:28:23,971 riders to win a world 776 00:28:24,039 --> 00:28:25,706 championship at the professional 777 00:28:25,774 --> 00:28:27,475 level, and the gap 778 00:28:27,542 --> 00:28:28,976 is there for him now. 779 00:28:29,044 --> 00:28:30,378 It is there for Lance Armstrong, 780 00:28:30,445 --> 00:28:32,380 and surely that's big enough. 781 00:28:32,447 --> 00:28:33,781 Now he's looking back and seeing 782 00:28:33,849 --> 00:28:35,383 nobody as he becomes champion 783 00:28:35,450 --> 00:28:36,550 of the world. 784 00:28:36,618 --> 00:28:38,252 Lance Armstrong, 21 years of 785 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,454 age, is America's second only 786 00:28:40,522 --> 00:28:42,923 world road race champion. 787 00:28:42,991 --> 00:28:43,991 I remember sitting 788 00:28:44,059 --> 00:28:46,394 with people in the stands 789 00:28:46,461 --> 00:28:47,461 and they're like, 790 00:28:47,529 --> 00:28:48,896 "Who is this kid 791 00:28:48,964 --> 00:28:50,998 Lance Armstrong?" 792 00:28:51,066 --> 00:28:51,966 Lance, you can't believe it 793 00:28:52,034 --> 00:28:54,068 what you've done? 794 00:28:54,136 --> 00:28:55,936 I can't believe it. 795 00:28:56,038 --> 00:28:56,637 On the last hill, 796 00:28:56,705 --> 00:28:57,672 I looked at my computer and 797 00:28:57,739 --> 00:28:58,839 said, "Maybe there's still one 798 00:28:58,907 --> 00:29:00,574 lap to go," but... 799 00:29:05,313 --> 00:29:06,447 That really kind of opened 800 00:29:06,515 --> 00:29:07,748 the doors 801 00:29:07,816 --> 00:29:10,851 and changed the next phase 802 00:29:10,919 --> 00:29:14,355 of his cycling career. 803 00:29:14,456 --> 00:29:15,923 He rides the roads of Texas 804 00:29:15,991 --> 00:29:17,425 virtually unnoticed, but 805 00:29:17,492 --> 00:29:18,859 Lance Armstrong went anything 806 00:29:18,927 --> 00:29:20,261 but unnoticed in the cycling 807 00:29:20,328 --> 00:29:22,963 world during 1993. 808 00:29:23,031 --> 00:29:24,765 This outspoken 22-year-old 809 00:29:24,833 --> 00:29:25,499 has not won 810 00:29:25,567 --> 00:29:27,334 any popularity contest, 811 00:29:27,402 --> 00:29:28,636 a fact not lost 812 00:29:28,704 --> 00:29:32,006 on the Motorola rider. 813 00:29:32,074 --> 00:29:32,807 The bottom line 814 00:29:32,874 --> 00:29:33,774 is I'm a competitor 815 00:29:33,842 --> 00:29:35,776 and I still like training hard 816 00:29:35,844 --> 00:29:39,046 and going out and kicking ass. 817 00:29:39,114 --> 00:29:40,147 I like that. 818 00:29:40,215 --> 00:29:41,849 And I got a lot more ass to 819 00:29:41,917 --> 00:29:43,951 kick, so... 820 00:29:44,019 --> 00:29:44,952 I mean, in that sense, 821 00:29:45,020 --> 00:29:46,053 I have to look forward to that. 822 00:29:46,121 --> 00:29:46,787 I have to look forward 823 00:29:46,855 --> 00:29:47,955 to going back to Europe 824 00:29:48,023 --> 00:29:49,390 and doing the big races 825 00:29:49,458 --> 00:29:50,891 and winning. 826 00:29:50,959 --> 00:29:51,625 Look out, world. 827 00:29:51,693 --> 00:29:52,460 Yeah, look out. 828 00:29:52,527 --> 00:29:53,461 I mean, there's a lot of races 829 00:29:53,528 --> 00:29:54,795 I haven't won. 830 00:29:54,863 --> 00:29:56,397 I'm not saying I'm gonna win 831 00:29:56,465 --> 00:29:57,998 every race in the world, but... 832 00:29:58,066 --> 00:29:58,899 You can try. 833 00:29:58,967 --> 00:30:00,234 I can try. 834 00:30:00,302 --> 00:30:00,801 Good luck. 835 00:30:00,869 --> 00:30:02,837 All right, man. 836 00:30:13,615 --> 00:30:15,649 At the time, cycling was 837 00:30:15,717 --> 00:30:17,017 a European sport. 838 00:30:17,085 --> 00:30:18,185 Very European. 839 00:30:18,253 --> 00:30:19,553 Not at all American. 840 00:30:19,621 --> 00:30:23,324 Still not, but more. 841 00:30:23,391 --> 00:30:26,827 I'm from Belgium. 842 00:30:26,895 --> 00:30:28,429 Belgians, they're hard workers, 843 00:30:28,497 --> 00:30:29,663 they're ambitious 844 00:30:29,731 --> 00:30:31,665 to a certain point. 845 00:30:31,733 --> 00:30:34,401 But not overly ambitious. 846 00:30:34,469 --> 00:30:36,003 The Belgians were always 847 00:30:36,071 --> 00:30:37,238 a little bit sneaky, 848 00:30:37,305 --> 00:30:40,107 a little bit clever. 849 00:30:40,175 --> 00:30:41,609 The Spanish 850 00:30:41,676 --> 00:30:45,179 are normally very calm. 851 00:30:45,247 --> 00:30:45,946 The Spaniards tend 852 00:30:46,014 --> 00:30:46,747 to be modest, 853 00:30:46,815 --> 00:30:51,886 humble, very unpretentious. 854 00:30:51,953 --> 00:30:55,256 Italians were, and are, loud, 855 00:30:55,323 --> 00:30:58,192 vain, outrageous showmen. 856 00:31:01,797 --> 00:31:02,596 Then the Germans, 857 00:31:02,664 --> 00:31:03,864 which are very organized 858 00:31:03,932 --> 00:31:08,702 and very, like, structured. 859 00:31:08,770 --> 00:31:11,739 And then you have the French. 860 00:31:15,010 --> 00:31:16,210 Yeah, I have to be very careful 861 00:31:16,278 --> 00:31:18,579 because I am German, but... 862 00:31:18,647 --> 00:31:20,114 the French are slightly 863 00:31:20,182 --> 00:31:22,316 superior. 864 00:31:22,384 --> 00:31:23,284 They think they are a little 865 00:31:23,351 --> 00:31:25,586 bit higher up 866 00:31:25,654 --> 00:31:27,254 than everybody else because 867 00:31:27,322 --> 00:31:29,924 they have the Tour de France. 868 00:31:29,991 --> 00:31:33,427 And then you have the Americans. 869 00:31:33,495 --> 00:31:34,728 I've never, never, 870 00:31:34,796 --> 00:31:37,398 never met more weird people 871 00:31:37,465 --> 00:31:39,633 than American cyclists. 872 00:31:39,701 --> 00:31:40,434 And I think there's 873 00:31:40,502 --> 00:31:42,403 an explanation for that, because 874 00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:44,905 it's not your logical choice. 875 00:31:44,973 --> 00:31:46,140 American popular sports 876 00:31:46,208 --> 00:31:48,242 are basketball, football. 877 00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:50,411 So, typically an American 878 00:31:50,478 --> 00:31:52,580 who chooses cycling 879 00:31:52,647 --> 00:31:54,782 is a guy who doesn't fit in. 880 00:31:58,253 --> 00:31:58,853 So you're a kid 881 00:31:58,920 --> 00:31:59,820 from suburban Dallas 882 00:31:59,888 --> 00:32:04,024 living on the shore of Lake Como 883 00:32:04,092 --> 00:32:06,327 surrounded by Renaissance 884 00:32:06,394 --> 00:32:09,096 Italian palaces and very wealthy 885 00:32:09,164 --> 00:32:10,264 Italian vacationers. 886 00:32:10,332 --> 00:32:11,632 It seems kind of out of step 887 00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:14,201 with where you came from. 888 00:32:14,269 --> 00:32:15,436 Well, I always liked the 889 00:32:15,503 --> 00:32:16,203 water. 890 00:32:16,271 --> 00:32:18,372 [ Laughter ] 891 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:19,773 No, I got real -- 892 00:32:19,841 --> 00:32:22,676 I mean, I -- I have had -- 893 00:32:22,744 --> 00:32:23,611 the team is -- 894 00:32:23,678 --> 00:32:25,613 most of the team lives in Como. 895 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,982 So we've sort of adjusted there 896 00:32:28,049 --> 00:32:29,450 real nicely. 897 00:32:29,517 --> 00:32:31,552 We race on that continent 898 00:32:31,620 --> 00:32:33,153 90% of the time. 899 00:32:33,221 --> 00:32:34,388 I have to live there. 900 00:32:36,558 --> 00:32:38,692 It was eye opening. 901 00:32:38,793 --> 00:32:40,160 I mean, I went from, you know, 902 00:32:40,228 --> 00:32:41,629 being a kid, everything kind of 903 00:32:41,696 --> 00:32:43,230 taking care of me to, hey, 904 00:32:43,298 --> 00:32:46,166 you've got to move to Europe, 905 00:32:46,234 --> 00:32:47,501 find a place to live, 906 00:32:47,569 --> 00:32:48,669 figure it out. 907 00:32:48,737 --> 00:32:51,739 Try to learn the language. 908 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:52,806 We had a really cool 909 00:32:52,874 --> 00:32:55,075 American young network 910 00:32:55,143 --> 00:33:00,748 with myself, Lance, Frankie, 911 00:33:00,815 --> 00:33:04,351 Kevin Livingston, Bobby Julich. 912 00:33:04,419 --> 00:33:05,319 That was nice. 913 00:33:05,387 --> 00:33:07,021 We had our own little sort of 914 00:33:07,088 --> 00:33:10,491 American family away from home. 915 00:33:10,592 --> 00:33:11,725 Four of us were living 916 00:33:11,793 --> 00:33:13,594 in a three-bedroom apartment, 917 00:33:13,662 --> 00:33:14,762 so when everyone was there 918 00:33:14,829 --> 00:33:16,196 I was on the couch. 919 00:33:16,264 --> 00:33:17,398 And Lance had 920 00:33:17,465 --> 00:33:18,666 this beautiful house on the lake 921 00:33:18,733 --> 00:33:20,434 that he lived with by himself. 922 00:33:24,139 --> 00:33:25,272 And you know, you're an 923 00:33:25,340 --> 00:33:26,407 American, you're lonely, 924 00:33:26,474 --> 00:33:27,541 you want to hang out with people 925 00:33:27,609 --> 00:33:28,609 and speak your native tongue 926 00:33:28,677 --> 00:33:32,346 and, you know, have fun. 927 00:33:32,414 --> 00:33:33,948 Frankie was one of his 928 00:33:34,015 --> 00:33:38,052 closest friends. 929 00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:40,120 He was the only friend who could 930 00:33:40,188 --> 00:33:43,590 tell Lance no repeatedly, tell 931 00:33:43,658 --> 00:33:44,925 Lance how he was screwing up, 932 00:33:44,993 --> 00:33:47,061 tell Lance how he was getting on 933 00:33:47,128 --> 00:33:48,262 his nerves and he didn't have to 934 00:33:48,330 --> 00:33:49,396 worry about Lance cutting him 935 00:33:49,464 --> 00:33:51,565 off. 936 00:33:51,666 --> 00:33:53,033 Everybody else had to honor 937 00:33:53,101 --> 00:33:54,635 the ground that he walked on. 938 00:33:58,640 --> 00:33:59,306 When I was visiting, 939 00:33:59,374 --> 00:34:01,041 we went out for pizza. 940 00:34:01,109 --> 00:34:02,476 Lance, he was hungry, so 941 00:34:02,544 --> 00:34:04,945 he wanted his food right away. 942 00:34:05,013 --> 00:34:09,083 And so he started saying, 943 00:34:09,150 --> 00:34:12,252 "These f'ing Italians take so 944 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,222 f'ing long to get the food out." 945 00:34:15,290 --> 00:34:18,659 I said, "You're not in America. 946 00:34:18,727 --> 00:34:20,094 This is Italy. 947 00:34:20,161 --> 00:34:21,996 Eating is a little bit different 948 00:34:22,063 --> 01:08:45,093 here. 949 00:34:22,530 --> 00:34:24,431 It's gonna take a while. 950 00:34:24,499 --> 00:34:25,132 They understand 951 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:25,833 what you're saying." 952 00:34:25,900 --> 00:34:28,102 He said, "I don't care." 953 00:34:28,169 --> 00:34:28,902 I speak a few words 954 00:34:28,970 --> 00:34:30,838 of Italian, but it's rough. 955 00:34:30,905 --> 00:34:31,805 I mean, when you go somewhere 956 00:34:31,873 --> 00:34:33,640 and you just can't get your 957 00:34:33,708 --> 00:34:34,308 point across. 958 00:34:34,376 --> 00:34:35,909 It's very frustrating. 959 00:35:30,548 --> 00:35:31,682 In America, it's the 960 00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:32,750 World Series. 961 00:35:32,817 --> 00:35:33,817 In England, it's the soccer 962 00:35:33,885 --> 00:35:34,451 Cup Final. 963 00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:35,185 In France, it's the 964 00:35:35,253 --> 00:35:36,253 Tour de France. 965 00:35:36,321 --> 00:35:37,654 The emphasis is on endurance 966 00:35:37,722 --> 00:35:38,756 as the world's hardiest 967 00:35:38,823 --> 00:35:41,759 bicyclists travel 3,000 miles. 968 00:35:41,826 --> 00:35:42,960 Mountains, rough roads 969 00:35:43,028 --> 00:35:44,194 and hairpin curves 970 00:35:44,262 --> 00:35:46,497 add to the hardship. 971 00:35:51,202 --> 00:35:52,603 The first Tour de France 972 00:35:52,670 --> 00:35:56,006 was in 1903. 973 00:35:56,107 --> 00:35:57,474 It was born as like a 974 00:35:57,542 --> 00:35:59,176 promotional scheme for 975 00:35:59,244 --> 00:36:00,878 newspapers to get attention in 976 00:36:00,945 --> 00:36:01,812 the summer. 977 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:02,613 And so the whole thing 978 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:03,680 was like concocted 979 00:36:03,748 --> 00:36:06,150 as this circus at the boundary 980 00:36:06,217 --> 00:36:09,686 of human performance. 981 00:36:09,754 --> 00:36:11,522 At first the people that 982 00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:13,357 competed at the Tour de France, 983 00:36:13,425 --> 00:36:14,825 they were working in mines 984 00:36:14,893 --> 00:36:16,326 and it was a dirty sport. 985 00:36:16,394 --> 00:36:17,961 It was rough. 986 00:36:18,029 --> 00:36:19,730 It was for people that are used 987 00:36:19,798 --> 00:36:24,701 to working physically very hard. 988 00:36:24,769 --> 00:36:26,370 Cycling was a 989 00:36:26,438 --> 00:36:28,372 working-class sport. 990 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:29,673 People felt as though they could 991 00:36:29,741 --> 00:36:32,009 really identify with the riders 992 00:36:32,077 --> 00:36:34,812 because the riders were the sons 993 00:36:34,879 --> 00:36:36,713 of farmers and factory workers. 994 00:36:36,781 --> 00:36:38,182 The kind of people that 995 00:36:38,249 --> 00:36:39,917 they would have contact with 996 00:36:39,984 --> 00:36:42,519 on a daily basis. 997 00:36:42,587 --> 00:36:45,155 [ Speaking French ] 998 00:37:00,839 --> 00:37:02,973 [ Speaking Italian ] 999 00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:19,923 The Tour de France is hard 1000 00:37:19,991 --> 00:37:20,891 to explain to the average 1001 00:37:20,959 --> 00:37:22,426 person. 1002 00:37:22,494 --> 00:37:23,227 You need to see it. 1003 00:37:23,294 --> 00:37:24,394 You need to breathe it 1004 00:37:24,462 --> 00:37:25,596 and live it one time to 1005 00:37:25,663 --> 00:37:30,634 understand how nuts it truly is. 1006 00:37:30,702 --> 00:37:31,768 It's arguably the world's 1007 00:37:31,836 --> 00:37:34,638 most difficult athletic event. 1008 00:37:34,706 --> 00:37:39,209 It's 21 days, over 2,500 miles, 1009 00:37:39,277 --> 00:37:39,943 on some of the world's 1010 00:37:40,011 --> 00:37:42,446 most punishing roads. 1011 00:37:42,514 --> 00:37:43,780 It's like running a marathon 1012 00:37:43,848 --> 00:37:46,550 every day for three weeks. 1013 00:37:50,421 --> 00:37:51,488 The peloton can be a pretty 1014 00:37:51,556 --> 00:37:53,957 scary place. 1015 00:37:54,025 --> 00:37:56,126 The peloton is essentially 1016 00:37:56,194 --> 00:37:56,994 the group of cyclists 1017 00:37:57,061 --> 00:37:59,463 that ride a race. 1018 00:37:59,531 --> 00:38:00,597 It looks like an amoeba, 1019 00:38:00,665 --> 00:38:02,833 but it's traveling at the speed 1020 00:38:02,901 --> 00:38:05,469 of a high-speed train. 1021 00:38:05,537 --> 00:38:07,070 Riders will be within 1022 00:38:07,138 --> 00:38:08,672 a few millimeters of each other 1023 00:38:08,740 --> 00:38:09,573 and a few millimeters 1024 00:38:09,641 --> 00:38:10,841 of crashing. 1025 00:38:10,909 --> 00:38:12,509 A moment's inattention 1026 00:38:12,577 --> 00:38:14,244 can bring the whole thing down. 1027 00:38:14,312 --> 00:38:15,646 The shoulder -- Oh! 1028 00:38:15,713 --> 00:38:16,647 There's a crash! 1029 00:38:16,714 --> 00:38:17,981 He's hit a wheel and has gone 1030 00:38:18,049 --> 00:38:19,416 down... 1031 00:38:19,517 --> 00:38:20,784 When it's game on, it's the 1032 00:38:20,852 --> 00:38:23,987 most intense pain and suffering. 1033 00:38:24,055 --> 00:38:25,455 Like, I mean, you're at 1034 00:38:25,523 --> 00:38:26,990 the absolute maximum and you're 1035 00:38:27,058 --> 00:38:28,091 in the best shape of your life. 1036 00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:29,326 Everyone is at the absolute 1037 00:38:29,394 --> 00:38:30,861 maximum. 1038 00:38:30,929 --> 00:38:32,195 And you're going as fast 1039 00:38:32,263 --> 00:38:33,096 as everybody can. 1040 00:38:33,164 --> 00:38:34,464 And there's gonna be crashes. 1041 00:38:34,532 --> 00:38:35,465 Everyone knows there's going 1042 00:38:35,533 --> 00:38:36,199 to be crashes. 1043 00:38:36,267 --> 00:38:38,368 It creates nervous energy. 1044 00:38:38,436 --> 00:38:39,436 Like, it's just like, 1045 00:38:39,504 --> 00:38:40,971 "There's gonna be a crash. 1046 00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:42,139 Who's gonna be in it?" 1047 00:38:42,206 --> 00:38:43,340 There's helicopters. 1048 00:38:43,408 --> 00:38:45,475 There's police on motorcycles 1049 00:38:45,543 --> 00:38:46,877 trying to get by honking. 1050 00:38:46,945 --> 00:38:48,512 There's cars behind you. 1051 00:38:48,580 --> 00:38:51,381 Like, it's so many variables 1052 00:38:51,449 --> 00:38:52,649 happening at once. 1053 00:38:52,717 --> 00:38:55,218 It's traumatic. 1054 00:38:55,286 --> 00:38:57,287 [ Chuckles ] 1055 00:38:57,355 --> 00:38:59,122 Yeah. 1056 00:38:59,190 --> 00:39:01,024 It's such an intensely 1057 00:39:01,092 --> 00:39:03,293 dangerous sport. 1058 00:39:03,361 --> 00:39:05,562 We're going down hills 1059 00:39:05,630 --> 00:39:06,730 in the Alps on roads 1060 00:39:06,798 --> 00:39:07,698 that are five feet, 1061 00:39:07,765 --> 00:39:09,166 six feet wide 1062 00:39:09,233 --> 00:39:12,469 at 60 miles an hour in the rain, 1063 00:39:12,537 --> 00:39:13,704 on little tiny bikes 1064 00:39:13,771 --> 00:39:15,205 with very skinny wheels 1065 00:39:15,273 --> 00:39:17,641 and dressed in essentially 1066 00:39:17,709 --> 00:39:18,342 what's the equivalent 1067 00:39:18,409 --> 00:39:20,877 of your underwear. 1068 00:39:20,945 --> 00:39:22,312 Everyone is willing 1069 00:39:22,380 --> 00:39:24,715 to risk their life to win. 1070 00:39:28,786 --> 00:39:30,320 If we were seriously 1071 00:39:30,388 --> 00:39:32,389 concerned about our health, 1072 00:39:32,457 --> 00:39:33,023 then we would find 1073 00:39:33,091 --> 00:39:36,860 another sport. 1074 00:39:36,928 --> 00:39:37,728 So in that sense, 1075 00:39:37,795 --> 00:39:38,996 it's not a valid argument 1076 00:39:39,063 --> 00:39:40,864 saying that doping is dangerous 1077 00:39:40,932 --> 00:39:41,865 because we are risking our lives 1078 00:39:41,933 --> 00:39:45,335 every day anyways. 1079 00:39:45,403 --> 00:39:47,904 The whole idea of riding 1080 00:39:47,972 --> 00:39:49,106 that far over three weeks 1081 00:39:49,173 --> 00:39:51,074 is vaguely ridiculous, 1082 00:39:51,142 --> 00:39:52,442 and so to do it 1083 00:39:52,510 --> 00:39:54,378 at the highest level, people 1084 00:39:54,445 --> 00:39:56,613 have always just sought 1085 00:39:56,681 --> 00:40:00,517 additional help to get it done. 1086 00:40:00,585 --> 00:40:01,518 There was a period 1087 00:40:01,586 --> 00:40:02,185 in the sport 1088 00:40:02,253 --> 00:40:03,220 where people started to learn 1089 00:40:03,287 --> 00:40:04,454 that you could do things 1090 00:40:04,522 --> 00:40:06,857 to enhance your performance. 1091 00:40:06,924 --> 00:40:08,125 But this was before it was 1092 00:40:08,192 --> 00:40:10,427 considered to be cheating. 1093 00:40:10,495 --> 00:40:11,728 And there were no morals 1094 00:40:11,796 --> 00:40:12,896 and ethics around this. 1095 00:40:12,964 --> 00:40:14,297 They were still figuring it out, 1096 00:40:14,365 --> 00:40:18,769 and we forget that now. 1097 00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:19,936 And there are periods where 1098 00:40:20,004 --> 00:40:21,271 nobody frowned upon 1099 00:40:21,339 --> 00:40:22,739 taking external substances 1100 00:40:22,807 --> 00:40:24,074 to improve your performance. 1101 00:40:24,142 --> 00:40:24,941 It was not considered 1102 00:40:25,009 --> 00:40:27,811 to be doping. 1103 00:40:27,879 --> 00:40:29,479 It was just ingrained 1104 00:40:29,547 --> 00:40:31,982 in the culture of the sport, 1105 00:40:32,050 --> 00:40:33,083 you know, up until the time 1106 00:40:33,151 --> 00:40:35,085 that I got there from Plano, 1107 00:40:35,153 --> 00:40:37,587 Texas, and I was like, "Hmm." 1108 00:40:37,655 --> 00:40:38,955 At that time, there 1109 00:40:39,023 --> 00:40:40,090 was Russian rider 1110 00:40:40,158 --> 00:40:41,258 on this Italian team. 1111 00:40:41,325 --> 00:40:43,427 And he was like my age or 23 1112 00:40:43,494 --> 00:40:45,395 or so, and I said to him, 1113 00:40:45,463 --> 00:40:46,496 "Look, do you think actually 1114 00:40:46,564 --> 00:40:47,664 that it's really fair what 1115 00:40:47,732 --> 00:40:48,965 we're doing, like ethically?" 1116 00:40:49,033 --> 00:40:51,935 And he said, "Look, I'm 23, 1117 00:40:52,003 --> 00:40:53,103 I'm living in Italy, 1118 00:40:53,171 --> 00:40:55,472 I'm normally from Siberia 1119 00:40:55,540 --> 00:40:58,575 and I have two kids. 1120 00:40:58,643 --> 00:41:02,679 What should I do?" 1121 00:41:02,747 --> 00:41:04,614 Painkillers, cocaine, 1122 00:41:04,682 --> 00:41:06,783 amphetamines. 1123 00:41:06,851 --> 00:41:07,684 People have taken every 1124 00:41:07,752 --> 00:41:10,520 imaginable drug during the Tour 1125 00:41:10,588 --> 00:41:12,355 and pushed the limits 1126 00:41:12,423 --> 00:41:14,357 of what's ethical 1127 00:41:14,425 --> 00:41:18,128 since the sport began. 1128 00:41:18,229 --> 00:41:20,030 The real dynamic of the race 1129 00:41:20,098 --> 00:41:24,701 changed when Amgen developed 1130 00:41:24,769 --> 00:41:27,437 synthetic erythropoietin, EPO. 1131 00:41:32,610 --> 00:41:34,478 That drug suddenly 1132 00:41:34,545 --> 00:41:35,979 increases your body's ability 1133 00:41:36,047 --> 00:41:38,548 to transport oxygen by raising 1134 00:41:38,616 --> 00:41:43,487 the red blood cell count. 1135 00:41:43,554 --> 00:41:47,290 The rumors of EPO 1136 00:41:47,358 --> 00:41:48,658 began in '93. 1137 00:41:48,726 --> 00:41:52,395 I mean, that plague began 1138 00:41:52,463 --> 00:41:55,232 in the late '80s truly. 1139 00:41:55,299 --> 00:41:56,666 People were scared of it. 1140 00:41:56,734 --> 00:42:00,003 There was all these ideas 1141 00:42:00,071 --> 00:42:01,872 that people were dying from it. 1142 00:42:07,445 --> 00:42:08,245 And then I won the world 1143 00:42:08,312 --> 00:42:12,349 championships in '93 somehow. 1144 00:42:12,416 --> 00:42:13,250 Wore the rainbow jersey 1145 00:42:13,317 --> 00:42:15,652 through '94. 1146 00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:19,489 I got my ass kicked every day. 1147 00:42:19,557 --> 00:42:20,857 All year long. 1148 00:42:20,925 --> 00:42:21,892 Wearing the world champion's 1149 00:42:21,959 --> 00:42:25,328 jersey. 1150 00:42:25,396 --> 00:42:26,596 We had already been dabbling 1151 00:42:26,664 --> 00:42:29,032 in low-octane, 1152 00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:29,833 you know, whatever it was, 1153 00:42:29,901 --> 00:42:32,169 cortisone, whatever was around. 1154 00:42:32,236 --> 00:42:34,171 But EPO was a whole 1155 00:42:34,238 --> 00:42:39,509 nother level. 1156 00:42:39,577 --> 00:42:40,944 The performance benefits were 1157 00:42:41,012 --> 00:42:43,613 so great that the sport 1158 00:42:43,681 --> 00:42:45,048 went from low-octane doping, 1159 00:42:45,116 --> 00:42:46,850 which had always existed, to 1160 00:42:46,918 --> 00:42:49,252 this really high-octane 1161 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:50,887 rocket fuel. 1162 00:42:50,955 --> 00:42:51,788 And so that was 1163 00:42:51,856 --> 00:42:55,792 the decision we had to make. 1164 00:42:55,860 --> 00:42:57,060 This Italian team 1165 00:42:57,128 --> 00:43:02,432 Gewiss completely dominated. 1166 00:43:02,533 --> 00:43:03,466 The Gewiss-Ballan team, 1167 00:43:03,534 --> 00:43:04,968 they had some fantastic years 1168 00:43:05,036 --> 00:43:09,406 from '93 to '95 and basically 1169 00:43:09,473 --> 00:43:12,475 won everything they touched. 1170 00:43:12,543 --> 00:43:14,911 People were like, 1171 00:43:14,979 --> 00:43:16,213 "Who the...is training 1172 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,149 these guys?" 1173 00:43:19,217 --> 00:43:21,818 That was Ferrari's coming out. 1174 00:43:21,886 --> 00:43:24,588 [ Speaking Italian ] 1175 00:43:38,169 --> 00:43:40,770 EPO was like wildfire, 1176 00:43:40,838 --> 00:43:42,272 and we still didn't. 1177 00:43:42,340 --> 00:43:45,675 We refused. 1178 00:43:45,743 --> 00:43:47,811 Nobody on Motorola '94 made 1179 00:43:47,879 --> 00:43:48,678 that leap. 1180 00:43:48,746 --> 00:43:50,780 All the way through the year, 1181 00:43:50,848 --> 00:43:53,516 had no results. 1182 00:43:53,584 --> 00:43:58,188 '95, um...it's even crazier. 1183 00:43:58,256 --> 00:44:02,158 Like, it's just everywhere. 1184 00:44:02,226 --> 00:44:03,426 Lance Armstrong was 1185 00:44:03,494 --> 00:44:04,694 the last American to win 1186 00:44:04,762 --> 00:44:06,196 a stage in the Tour de France. 1187 00:44:06,264 --> 00:44:07,697 That was 1993. 1188 00:44:07,765 --> 00:44:08,965 Now here he is trying to get 1189 00:44:09,033 --> 00:44:12,269 position on Serguei Outschakov. 1190 00:44:12,336 --> 00:44:14,604 The gap is now 35 seconds, 1191 00:44:14,672 --> 00:44:15,772 and that is big enough 1192 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,107 I would think for these two 1193 00:44:17,174 --> 00:44:18,541 to decide this stage 1194 00:44:18,609 --> 00:44:20,477 of the Tour de France together. 1195 00:44:25,683 --> 00:44:26,316 Armstrong is in 1196 00:44:26,384 --> 00:44:27,284 a developmental phase 1197 00:44:27,351 --> 00:44:28,318 of his career. 1198 00:44:28,386 --> 00:44:29,185 He's only 23. 1199 00:44:29,253 --> 00:44:30,053 He admits he's made 1200 00:44:30,121 --> 00:44:31,721 some mistakes in this Tour. 1201 00:44:31,789 --> 00:44:32,555 He's aware of the pressure 1202 00:44:32,623 --> 00:44:33,957 there is on him to excel -- 1203 00:44:34,025 --> 00:44:37,894 some of it self-imposed. 1204 00:44:37,962 --> 00:44:38,895 Lance has him where he 1205 00:44:38,963 --> 00:44:40,297 wants him now and he's not going 1206 00:44:40,364 --> 00:44:41,631 to come by him again 1207 00:44:41,699 --> 00:44:43,066 until he goes for the gears 1208 00:44:43,134 --> 00:44:44,534 and gives him just about all the 1209 00:44:44,602 --> 00:44:46,503 speed he has left in those legs 1210 00:44:46,570 --> 00:44:47,337 after what has been 1211 00:44:47,405 --> 00:44:48,972 a tremendously long day 1212 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:49,906 in the saddle 1213 00:44:49,974 --> 00:44:51,908 for all of the breakaway. 1214 00:44:51,976 --> 00:44:53,310 Outschakov is gonna ride 1215 00:44:53,377 --> 00:44:54,711 close to the barriers on the 1216 00:44:54,779 --> 00:44:56,313 left so Armstrong must come over 1217 00:44:56,380 --> 00:44:57,414 on his right shoulder. 1218 00:44:57,481 --> 00:44:58,748 Give him one way. 1219 00:44:58,816 --> 00:45:00,383 Armstrong now begins to make his 1220 00:45:00,451 --> 00:45:00,817 move. 1221 00:45:00,885 --> 00:45:02,419 Outschakov goes immediately 1222 00:45:02,486 --> 00:45:03,086 but goes right 1223 00:45:03,154 --> 00:45:03,920 to the center of the road. 1224 00:45:03,988 --> 00:45:05,188 Armstrong holding the back wheel 1225 00:45:05,256 --> 00:45:06,156 of Outschakov. 1226 00:45:06,223 --> 00:45:07,190 Very shortly Armstrong 1227 00:45:07,258 --> 00:45:08,091 is going to have to kick, 1228 00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:09,659 but I don't think he's got it. 1229 00:45:09,727 --> 00:45:11,261 Outschakov has everything. 1230 00:45:11,329 --> 00:45:13,330 Outschakov takes it on the line. 1231 00:45:13,397 --> 00:45:14,864 Armstrong will be very, 1232 00:45:14,932 --> 00:45:16,232 very annoyed about that, 1233 00:45:16,300 --> 00:45:20,770 but he never had it on the line. 1234 00:45:20,838 --> 00:45:22,872 That was terrible. 1235 00:45:22,940 --> 00:45:24,374 It's just terrible. 1236 00:45:24,442 --> 00:45:24,941 [ Chuckles ] 1237 00:45:25,009 --> 00:45:27,177 I mean, I really feel bad. 1238 00:45:27,244 --> 00:45:27,777 I can't tell you 1239 00:45:27,845 --> 00:45:29,746 how disappointed I am. 1240 00:45:29,814 --> 00:45:31,181 I didn't -- 1241 00:45:31,248 --> 00:45:32,182 I was out there 200 K's, 1242 00:45:32,249 --> 00:45:33,450 and every 200 of them, 1243 00:45:33,517 --> 00:45:35,418 every one of them, I thought 1244 00:45:35,486 --> 00:45:36,920 for sure I was gonna win. 1245 00:45:36,988 --> 00:45:38,922 And to get second is... 1246 00:45:38,990 --> 00:45:43,059 it's devastating. 1247 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:44,094 I think it's a learning 1248 00:45:44,161 --> 00:45:46,029 experience for him here this 1249 00:45:46,097 --> 00:45:47,597 year, and we're on our mission 1250 00:45:47,665 --> 00:45:49,232 and our objective to finish the 1251 00:45:49,300 --> 00:45:50,467 race. 1252 00:45:50,568 --> 00:45:51,568 So I don't think that 1253 00:45:51,635 --> 00:45:52,602 Lance is doing anything 1254 00:45:52,670 --> 00:45:54,471 except right now really taking 1255 00:45:54,538 --> 00:45:56,206 in a lot of information 1256 00:45:56,273 --> 00:45:57,640 and hoping to be able to use 1257 00:45:57,708 --> 00:46:01,444 that next year. 1258 00:46:01,512 --> 00:46:02,145 He hated losing 1259 00:46:02,213 --> 00:46:03,313 with a passion. 1260 00:46:03,381 --> 00:46:04,414 He couldn't if when someone 1261 00:46:04,482 --> 00:46:05,248 was better than him. 1262 00:46:05,316 --> 00:46:05,982 He couldn't stand 1263 00:46:06,050 --> 00:46:06,983 if someone was beating him. 1264 00:46:07,051 --> 00:46:08,418 He couldn't stand just not 1265 00:46:08,486 --> 00:46:09,619 being part of a winning team 1266 00:46:09,687 --> 00:46:13,757 or winning himself. 1267 00:46:13,824 --> 00:46:14,824 He should have been 1268 00:46:14,892 --> 00:46:15,558 at that point 1269 00:46:15,626 --> 00:46:16,993 in time progressing his career, 1270 00:46:17,061 --> 00:46:18,395 and instead he was regressing 1271 00:46:18,462 --> 00:46:19,129 in his career. 1272 00:46:19,196 --> 00:46:21,464 And the anger was -- you could 1273 00:46:21,532 --> 00:46:24,134 just feel it coming off of him. 1274 00:46:24,201 --> 00:46:25,168 As he called it, I think at the 1275 00:46:25,236 --> 00:46:26,469 moment, "There is an EPO 1276 00:46:26,537 --> 00:46:29,472 epidemic going on." 1277 00:46:29,540 --> 00:46:31,574 He's like, "These... 1278 00:46:31,642 --> 00:46:33,009 need to be caught. 1279 00:46:33,077 --> 00:46:34,077 You know, these... 1280 00:46:34,145 --> 00:46:35,678 need to be taken out." 1281 00:46:41,919 --> 00:46:44,487 Eddy Merckx had sent Axel, 1282 00:46:44,555 --> 00:46:47,290 his son, to go and see Ferrari, 1283 00:46:47,358 --> 00:46:50,260 to be trained by Ferrari. 1284 00:46:50,327 --> 00:46:52,495 Eddy Merckx was by general 1285 00:46:52,563 --> 00:46:54,497 consensus the greatest cyclist 1286 00:46:54,565 --> 00:46:56,366 of all time. 1287 00:46:56,467 --> 00:46:57,333 He won the Tour de France 1288 00:46:57,401 --> 00:46:58,101 five times, 1289 00:46:58,169 --> 00:46:59,035 he won the Giro d'Italia 1290 00:46:59,103 --> 00:46:59,869 five times, 1291 00:46:59,937 --> 00:47:02,105 he won every race you could win 1292 00:47:02,173 --> 00:47:05,208 in professional cycling. 1293 00:47:05,276 --> 00:47:06,142 I asked Eddy, I said, "Will 1294 00:47:06,210 --> 00:47:09,679 you introduce me to Ferrari?" 1295 00:47:09,747 --> 00:47:12,148 So I went there in the winter of 1296 00:47:12,216 --> 00:47:13,883 '95 for my first test 1297 00:47:13,951 --> 00:47:14,717 and then started working 1298 00:47:14,785 --> 00:47:18,555 with him full time in '96. 1299 00:47:18,622 --> 00:47:19,989 My relationship with Ferrari 1300 00:47:20,057 --> 00:47:24,294 was highly confidential. 1301 00:47:24,361 --> 00:47:26,663 As was his relationship 1302 00:47:26,730 --> 00:47:27,864 with everybody. 1303 00:47:31,135 --> 00:47:32,202 We would dread seeing Ferrari 1304 00:47:32,269 --> 00:47:33,002 because the first thing 1305 00:47:33,070 --> 00:47:33,970 he would do would be like grab 1306 00:47:34,038 --> 00:47:34,904 your stomach like, "Oh, you've 1307 00:47:34,972 --> 00:47:36,639 been eating a bit too much." 1308 00:47:36,707 --> 00:47:38,208 Or like, the first thing 1309 00:47:38,275 --> 00:47:39,876 he would do is measure your fat. 1310 00:47:39,944 --> 00:47:41,344 Telling you you're fat 1311 00:47:41,412 --> 00:47:42,145 when you, you know, 1312 00:47:42,213 --> 00:47:43,313 you're pretty much anorexic 1313 00:47:43,380 --> 00:47:44,414 is probably not the best thing 1314 00:47:44,482 --> 00:47:46,349 for a 24-year-old kid. 1315 00:47:46,450 --> 00:47:48,585 He was direct. 1316 00:47:48,652 --> 00:47:51,087 But it worked for me. 1317 00:47:56,260 --> 00:47:58,261 Whatever he said, I did. 1318 00:47:58,329 --> 00:48:00,897 To the word. 1319 00:48:00,965 --> 00:48:02,866 Ferrari was a proponent of less 1320 00:48:02,933 --> 00:48:04,501 is more. 1321 00:48:04,568 --> 00:48:05,502 Because we would ask, we'd be 1322 00:48:05,569 --> 00:48:06,369 like, "Oh, I heard somebody is 1323 00:48:06,437 --> 00:48:07,403 doing this, I heard somebody is 1324 00:48:07,471 --> 00:48:08,037 doing that. 1325 00:48:08,105 --> 00:48:10,039 And should we think about that?" 1326 00:48:10,107 --> 00:48:14,110 He's like, "Lance, all you need 1327 00:48:14,178 --> 00:48:17,614 is the red cells." 1328 00:48:17,681 --> 00:48:20,183 So EPO, which then 1329 00:48:20,251 --> 00:48:25,088 became transfusions or bags, 1330 00:48:25,156 --> 00:48:26,689 and that's it. 1331 00:48:29,860 --> 00:48:31,127 I don't have any personal 1332 00:48:31,195 --> 00:48:33,396 experiences with Dr. Ferrari 1333 00:48:33,464 --> 00:48:35,465 to point to. 1334 00:48:35,533 --> 00:48:38,268 I did have to deal with athletes 1335 00:48:38,335 --> 00:48:39,636 that Dr. Ferrari 1336 00:48:39,703 --> 00:48:43,306 manipulated values on. 1337 00:48:43,374 --> 00:48:44,874 To me, that's a continuation 1338 00:48:44,942 --> 00:48:46,709 of people who want to lie, 1339 00:48:46,777 --> 00:48:48,778 cheat and steal from others 1340 00:48:48,846 --> 00:48:50,246 to gain an advantage trying 1341 00:48:50,314 --> 00:48:54,250 to justify what they're doing. 1342 00:48:54,318 --> 00:48:55,952 There were clean athletes who 1343 00:48:56,020 --> 00:48:58,621 did not get to have experiences 1344 00:48:58,689 --> 00:48:59,656 because of their actions, 1345 00:48:59,723 --> 00:49:01,991 and I'm one of them. 1346 00:49:02,092 --> 01:38:05,745 I had people tell me 1347 00:49:02,893 --> 00:49:03,793 when I came over there, 1348 00:49:03,861 --> 00:49:05,495 "It's like you've got a choice. 1349 00:49:05,563 --> 00:49:07,096 You're gonna do it or you're 1350 00:49:07,164 --> 00:49:07,497 not. 1351 00:49:07,565 --> 00:49:08,965 And if you're not, have 1352 00:49:09,033 --> 00:49:10,466 no expectation of any success 1353 00:49:10,534 --> 00:49:12,502 whatsoever, because you won't." 1354 00:49:17,041 --> 00:49:18,808 By the start of 1996, 1355 00:49:18,876 --> 00:49:20,343 he physically looked 1356 00:49:20,411 --> 00:49:21,644 like a different person. 1357 00:49:21,712 --> 00:49:22,845 You know, he was much lower 1358 00:49:22,913 --> 00:49:24,647 body fat and much -- 1359 00:49:24,715 --> 00:49:25,949 just looked stronger. 1360 00:49:26,016 --> 00:49:28,351 And, you know, he was winning 1361 00:49:28,419 --> 00:49:29,953 or placing in every single race 1362 00:49:30,020 --> 00:49:31,821 he was entering and was no 1363 00:49:31,889 --> 00:49:33,423 longer upset about people 1364 00:49:33,490 --> 00:49:34,624 doping. 1365 00:50:11,068 --> 00:50:11,968 There's a wild-looking house 1366 00:50:12,035 --> 00:50:12,702 up there too. 1367 00:50:12,769 --> 00:50:14,337 Man, I haven't seen that. 1368 00:50:14,404 --> 00:50:15,638 What is that? 1369 00:50:21,878 --> 00:50:22,778 I'm gonna make you very 1370 00:50:22,846 --> 00:50:24,213 happy. 1371 00:50:24,281 --> 00:50:26,148 We'll grab Grace. 1372 00:50:26,249 --> 00:50:28,618 [ Cellphone ringing ] 1373 00:50:32,756 --> 00:50:34,690 This is the house that I built 1374 00:50:34,758 --> 00:50:38,461 in the mid-'90s. 1375 00:50:38,528 --> 00:50:43,799 Started in '94, moved in in '96. 1376 00:50:43,867 --> 00:50:45,735 Paid 200,000 bucks for the lot. 1377 00:50:45,802 --> 00:50:46,636 Wow. 1378 00:50:46,703 --> 00:50:47,870 Construction contract 1379 00:50:47,938 --> 00:50:49,572 with pool was about $600,000. 1380 00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,241 Had it all in for less than a 1381 00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:54,377 mil. 1382 00:50:54,444 --> 00:50:58,681 I was 24 years old -- 1383 00:50:58,749 --> 00:51:01,684 24 or 25 years old -- and all my 1384 00:51:01,752 --> 00:51:05,655 neighbors were like 70. 1385 00:51:05,722 --> 00:51:06,489 They probably thought, 1386 00:51:06,556 --> 00:51:08,624 "Wait, who's building that?" 1387 00:51:12,262 --> 00:51:13,329 When did you sell it? 1388 00:51:13,397 --> 00:51:15,331 In 2000. 1389 00:51:15,399 --> 00:51:17,933 Why did you sell it? 1390 00:51:18,001 --> 00:51:20,536 Uh, you know, I think it was 1391 00:51:20,604 --> 00:51:21,871 only three bedrooms or four 1392 00:51:21,938 --> 00:51:23,205 bedrooms, and we had Luke and 1393 00:51:23,273 --> 00:51:24,840 then when you guys were coming, 1394 00:51:24,908 --> 00:51:26,275 we weren't gonna have room. 1395 00:51:26,343 --> 00:51:27,209 Or something. 1396 00:51:27,277 --> 00:51:30,880 Sold it for two. 1397 00:51:34,317 --> 00:51:35,418 There's room for a couple 1398 00:51:35,485 --> 00:51:38,054 of kids in this house. 1399 00:51:38,121 --> 00:51:39,088 Yeah, right. 1400 00:51:39,156 --> 00:51:42,591 [ Laughs ] 1401 00:51:42,659 --> 00:51:44,860 You can go faster. 1402 00:51:44,928 --> 00:51:46,028 Okay. 1403 00:52:00,977 --> 00:52:03,245 Lance left my house when he 1404 00:52:03,313 --> 00:52:09,585 was 17 years old and grew up. 1405 00:52:09,653 --> 00:52:11,387 He was out of the country 1406 00:52:11,455 --> 00:52:13,789 90% of the time. 1407 00:52:13,857 --> 00:52:15,157 When he was home, 1408 00:52:15,225 --> 00:52:16,759 that was off-season. 1409 00:52:20,964 --> 00:52:22,064 I was running one of the more 1410 00:52:22,132 --> 00:52:24,066 popular bars in Austin. 1411 00:52:24,134 --> 00:52:25,468 If you wanted to get into my 1412 00:52:25,535 --> 00:52:27,737 bar, you had to wait in line. 1413 00:52:27,804 --> 00:52:28,437 We had a line 1414 00:52:28,505 --> 00:52:29,772 wrapped around the corner. 1415 00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:30,673 But if you wanted to get in 1416 00:52:30,741 --> 00:52:31,507 without waiting in line, 1417 00:52:31,575 --> 00:52:33,275 you needed to know me. 1418 00:52:33,376 --> 00:52:35,945 So I knew almost every girl 1419 00:52:36,012 --> 00:52:36,746 in town 1420 00:52:36,813 --> 00:52:39,281 that wanted to get into my bar. 1421 00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:41,584 Lance was not very well known. 1422 00:52:41,651 --> 00:52:42,818 I mean, they knew, like, "I 1423 00:52:42,886 --> 00:52:45,421 think that's the cyclist guy." 1424 00:52:45,489 --> 00:52:47,189 So Lance just thought, "Oh, my 1425 00:52:47,257 --> 00:52:52,161 God, this guy knows every girl." 1426 00:52:52,229 --> 00:52:55,197 Our day consisted of wake up in 1427 00:52:55,265 --> 00:52:57,933 the morning, go for a bike ride, 1428 00:52:58,001 --> 00:52:59,335 go have some lunch. 1429 00:52:59,402 --> 00:53:00,703 I had a ski boat. 1430 00:53:00,771 --> 00:53:01,771 We would go out on the boat. 1431 00:53:01,838 --> 00:53:03,105 I'd call a few girls. 1432 00:53:03,173 --> 00:53:04,707 They'd come join us in the boat. 1433 00:53:04,775 --> 00:53:06,675 We'd ski. 1434 00:53:06,743 --> 00:53:07,543 I'd come home, 1435 00:53:07,611 --> 00:53:08,878 I'd take a nap for a little bit, 1436 00:53:08,945 --> 00:53:09,845 I'd go to work, 1437 00:53:09,913 --> 00:53:11,113 Lance would come in the bar, 1438 00:53:11,181 --> 00:53:12,948 hang out, I'd introduce him 1439 00:53:13,016 --> 00:53:14,717 to a lot of people, 1440 00:53:14,785 --> 00:53:15,484 wake up the next day 1441 00:53:15,552 --> 00:53:17,286 and just do it all over again. 1442 00:53:17,354 --> 00:53:19,221 Every day. 1443 00:53:19,289 --> 00:53:20,623 It couldn't get any better. 1444 00:53:28,098 --> 00:53:30,332 One day we're out on a bike ride 1445 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,535 and he told me about this pain 1446 00:53:32,602 --> 00:53:35,704 in his testicle, which was not a 1447 00:53:35,772 --> 00:53:37,206 comfortable conversation that 1448 00:53:37,274 --> 00:53:38,507 you want to have with your 1449 00:53:38,575 --> 00:53:39,742 friend. 1450 00:53:39,810 --> 00:53:41,477 Not only big, 1451 00:53:41,545 --> 00:53:43,679 but just...hurt. 1452 00:53:43,747 --> 00:53:45,848 Like to the touch, to -- 1453 00:53:45,916 --> 00:53:47,650 if -- if you just -- 1454 00:53:47,717 --> 00:53:48,551 any -- sitting on the bike. 1455 00:53:48,618 --> 00:53:50,519 It just -- And I'm like -- 1456 00:53:50,587 --> 00:53:52,021 I'm like, "Jesus, is this 1457 00:53:52,088 --> 00:53:53,722 what -- I mean, is it because 1458 00:53:53,790 --> 00:53:54,824 I'm -- is it because 1459 00:53:54,891 --> 00:53:56,325 I sit on a bike all day long?" 1460 00:53:56,393 --> 00:53:57,726 Today was supposed to be 1461 00:53:57,794 --> 00:53:58,828 Lance Armstrong's day 1462 00:53:58,895 --> 00:53:59,762 at the Tour de France. 1463 00:53:59,830 --> 00:54:01,497 Instead, the Austinite 1464 00:54:01,565 --> 00:54:03,165 has called it quits. 1465 00:54:03,233 --> 00:54:04,834 He's feeling so bad, he thinks 1466 00:54:04,901 --> 00:54:09,071 he might have bronchitis. 1467 00:54:09,139 --> 00:54:10,573 When I came home in September 1468 00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:11,907 after the season, 1469 00:54:11,975 --> 00:54:13,175 then the symptoms got a little 1470 00:54:13,243 --> 00:54:17,112 more serious. 1471 00:54:17,180 --> 00:54:21,450 Even then I ignored them. 1472 00:54:21,518 --> 00:54:22,751 Until the day 1473 00:54:22,819 --> 00:54:25,120 that I started to cough. 1474 00:54:28,825 --> 00:54:30,226 Blood everywhere. 1475 00:54:30,293 --> 00:54:31,393 And I kept coughing and more 1476 00:54:31,461 --> 00:54:33,429 blood, coughing, more blood. 1477 00:54:33,496 --> 00:54:36,031 It's just everywhere. 1478 00:54:36,099 --> 00:54:38,534 It looked like a crime scene. 1479 00:54:38,602 --> 00:54:40,436 And so I called my neighbor. 1480 00:54:40,503 --> 00:54:42,638 He's like, "All right. 1481 00:54:42,706 --> 00:54:44,173 We're going to the doctor." 1482 00:54:48,278 --> 00:54:48,978 However long it takes them 1483 00:54:49,045 --> 00:54:52,147 to print out an X-ray, minutes. 1484 00:54:52,215 --> 00:54:54,149 He just -- three or four of them 1485 00:54:54,217 --> 00:54:55,985 up there and he says, "You have 1486 00:54:56,052 --> 00:54:57,720 advanced testicular cancer." 1487 00:55:01,725 --> 00:55:03,559 And I mean, it is just -- the 1488 00:55:03,627 --> 00:55:05,895 chest, both sides, both lungs -- 1489 00:55:05,962 --> 00:55:09,665 just littered -- golf balls. 1490 00:55:09,733 --> 00:55:10,966 I was like, "Whoa, whoa. 1491 00:55:11,034 --> 00:55:12,234 Whoa, whoa. whoa. Stop. 1492 00:55:12,302 --> 00:55:13,769 Time out. Hang on. Are you -- 1493 00:55:13,837 --> 00:55:15,738 I mean, I know I see this, 1494 00:55:15,805 --> 00:55:17,907 but are you sure, like..." 1495 00:55:17,974 --> 00:55:20,342 And he said, "I'm so sure, 1496 00:55:20,410 --> 00:55:21,243 I've scheduled surgery 1497 00:55:21,311 --> 00:55:25,414 for 7:00 a.m. tomorrow morning." 1498 00:55:25,482 --> 00:55:29,251 And I was like, "Oh... 1499 00:55:36,593 --> 00:55:38,294 It was... 1500 00:55:38,361 --> 00:55:41,430 It was a long drive home. 1501 00:55:46,403 --> 00:55:48,771 He calls me, and my knees 1502 00:55:48,838 --> 00:55:49,805 just buckled. 1503 00:55:49,873 --> 00:55:52,474 I'm like, "What?" 1504 00:55:52,542 --> 00:55:53,943 Like, you don't know what to 1505 00:55:54,010 --> 00:55:54,443 say. 1506 00:55:54,511 --> 00:55:56,045 And so he's like, "I have to go 1507 00:55:56,112 --> 00:55:58,781 into surgery tomorrow morning." 1508 00:55:58,848 --> 00:56:01,984 And I'm like, "Well, on what?" 1509 00:56:02,052 --> 00:56:02,985 I mean, this just shows you 1510 00:56:03,053 --> 00:56:04,620 the ignorance of a 27-year-old 1511 00:56:04,688 --> 00:56:05,688 that has never dealt with this. 1512 00:56:05,755 --> 00:56:06,655 I'm like, "On what?" 1513 00:56:06,723 --> 00:56:07,523 He's like, "They've got to 1514 00:56:07,590 --> 00:56:10,292 remove my testicle." 1515 00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:11,794 I never knew anybody 1516 00:56:11,861 --> 00:56:12,995 who had cancer. 1517 00:56:13,063 --> 00:56:14,663 Nobody I knew. 1518 00:56:14,731 --> 00:56:18,968 Nobody I worked with had cancer. 1519 00:56:19,035 --> 00:56:20,569 Certainly, she never thought 1520 00:56:20,637 --> 00:56:21,870 that she would have 1521 00:56:21,938 --> 00:56:22,638 to face this 1522 00:56:22,706 --> 00:56:24,306 and to face that dilemma of, 1523 00:56:24,374 --> 00:56:25,474 "Oh, my God, am I going 1524 00:56:25,542 --> 00:56:27,076 to outlive my only son?" 1525 00:56:30,213 --> 00:56:33,015 I was praying to God... 1526 00:56:35,585 --> 00:56:36,719 [voice breaking] ...it's not 1527 00:56:36,786 --> 00:56:38,654 Stage 4. 1528 00:56:38,722 --> 00:56:42,324 It'll be 2. It'll be 3. 1529 00:56:42,392 --> 00:56:44,093 And then learning 1530 00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,729 it was Stage 4... 1531 00:56:46,796 --> 00:56:48,230 Devastating. 1532 00:56:51,668 --> 00:56:52,568 Realistically, what 1533 00:56:52,635 --> 00:56:53,836 are his chances? 1534 00:56:53,903 --> 00:56:55,204 With what Lance had, 1535 00:56:55,271 --> 00:56:57,172 almost none. 1536 00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:58,907 We told Lance initially 20% 1537 00:56:58,975 --> 00:57:01,076 to 50% chance, mainly to give 1538 00:57:01,144 --> 00:57:02,911 him hope. 1539 00:57:03,013 --> 00:57:04,079 But with the kind of cancer 1540 00:57:04,147 --> 00:57:06,081 he had, with the lung X-rays, 1541 00:57:06,149 --> 00:57:10,519 the blood tests, almost no hope. 1542 00:57:10,587 --> 00:57:11,754 You know, cancer was what you 1543 00:57:11,821 --> 00:57:13,022 got when you smoked cigarettes 1544 00:57:13,089 --> 00:57:15,224 or when you led a poor lifestyle 1545 00:57:15,291 --> 00:57:21,530 or, you know, had asbestos in 1546 00:57:21,598 --> 00:57:22,631 your house, or -- 1547 00:57:22,699 --> 00:57:23,432 I was like, wait a minute, 1548 00:57:23,500 --> 00:57:24,299 I'm one of the fittest people 1549 00:57:24,367 --> 00:57:26,969 in the world. 1550 00:57:27,037 --> 00:57:28,270 Why? 1551 00:57:38,381 --> 00:57:40,382 On Wednesday, October 2nd, 1552 00:57:40,450 --> 00:57:41,116 I was diagnosed 1553 00:57:41,184 --> 00:57:43,252 with testicular cancer. 1554 00:57:43,319 --> 00:57:44,053 On Thursday, 1555 00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:45,254 October 3rd, I underwent surgery 1556 00:57:45,321 --> 00:57:46,288 at St. David's Hospital 1557 00:57:46,356 --> 00:57:47,156 here in Austin to have 1558 00:57:47,223 --> 00:57:49,124 the malignant testicle removed, 1559 00:57:49,192 --> 00:57:52,161 and the surgery was successful. 1560 00:57:52,228 --> 00:57:53,262 In terms of degrees of the 1561 00:57:53,329 --> 00:57:54,296 disease, my condition is 1562 00:57:54,364 --> 00:57:55,397 considered to be between 1563 00:57:55,465 --> 00:57:56,665 moderate and advanced, 1564 00:57:56,733 --> 00:57:57,733 and thus yesterday I began 1565 00:57:57,801 --> 00:57:59,134 my first day of chemotherapy 1566 00:57:59,202 --> 00:58:01,570 treatment. 1567 00:58:01,638 --> 00:58:02,738 I will undergo chemotherapy 1568 00:58:02,806 --> 00:58:03,806 for at least 12 weeks, 1569 00:58:03,873 --> 00:58:04,640 and then depending on 1570 00:58:04,707 --> 00:58:05,774 how I respond to the treatment, 1571 00:58:05,842 --> 00:58:07,009 may have to undergo 1572 00:58:07,077 --> 00:58:08,143 more chemotherapy 1573 00:58:08,211 --> 00:58:08,811 and other procedures 1574 00:58:08,878 --> 00:58:10,412 to fight this disease. 1575 00:58:14,017 --> 00:58:14,783 We found out that it had 1576 00:58:14,851 --> 00:58:17,086 metastasized to his brain. 1577 00:58:21,858 --> 00:58:23,859 He looked sick. 1578 00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:24,660 They shaved his head 1579 00:58:24,727 --> 00:58:26,829 to do the surgery, and that was, 1580 00:58:26,896 --> 00:58:27,863 you know, that was the period 1581 00:58:27,931 --> 00:58:28,664 where you thought, yeah, 1582 00:58:28,731 --> 00:58:31,867 he might not make it. 1583 00:58:31,935 --> 00:58:32,935 You kind of thought, hey, 1584 00:58:33,002 --> 00:58:36,505 you know, survival is success. 1585 00:58:36,573 --> 00:58:37,806 Survival with 1586 00:58:37,874 --> 00:58:39,007 your faculties intact. 1587 00:58:39,075 --> 00:58:40,209 Survival and the ability 1588 00:58:40,276 --> 00:58:43,779 to have a job. 1589 00:58:43,847 --> 00:58:45,514 I mean, survival and be 1590 00:58:45,582 --> 00:58:49,685 a bike racer was, you know, 1591 00:58:49,752 --> 00:58:55,224 almost too good to consider. 1592 00:59:06,302 --> 00:59:08,704 First he had a testicle removed. 1593 00:59:08,771 --> 00:59:10,906 Then he had brain surgery. 1594 00:59:10,974 --> 00:59:12,374 Then he had chemotherapy 1595 00:59:12,442 --> 00:59:14,543 for his lymph nodes and lungs 1596 00:59:14,611 --> 00:59:19,381 and, you know, his whole body. 1597 00:59:19,449 --> 00:59:21,350 Laying in the hospital bed 1598 00:59:21,417 --> 00:59:22,484 and puking your brains out, not 1599 00:59:22,552 --> 00:59:23,318 knowing if you were gonna 1600 00:59:23,386 --> 00:59:24,520 live or die... 1601 00:59:28,291 --> 00:59:30,325 It was a competition to me. 1602 00:59:30,393 --> 00:59:32,161 Right, so you had cancer as 1603 00:59:32,228 --> 00:59:34,763 the -- as the enemy, 1604 00:59:34,831 --> 00:59:38,500 and you had me as the good guy. 1605 00:59:38,568 --> 00:59:40,936 And all of the things that we 1606 00:59:41,004 --> 00:59:42,871 monitor, tumor markers, chest 1607 00:59:42,939 --> 00:59:45,240 X-rays, those were all stats 1608 00:59:45,308 --> 00:59:46,441 and things on the scoreboard. 1609 00:59:46,509 --> 00:59:48,043 The tumor marker 1610 00:59:48,111 --> 00:59:50,412 was the scoreboard. 1611 00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,514 It was a game to me. 1612 00:59:52,582 --> 00:59:53,849 But it was a game 1613 00:59:53,917 --> 00:59:55,217 of life and death. 1614 01:00:12,302 --> 01:00:13,402 Armstrong's toughness 1615 01:00:13,469 --> 01:00:14,436 recently paid off 1616 01:00:14,504 --> 01:00:16,271 in some holiday cheer. 1617 01:00:16,339 --> 01:00:18,273 His blood levels are now normal, 1618 01:00:18,341 --> 01:00:20,609 the spots on his lungs reduced. 1619 01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:22,477 This is the very, very best 1620 01:00:22,545 --> 01:00:24,112 Christmas that I have ever had 1621 01:00:24,180 --> 01:00:27,382 in my whole life, bar none -- 1622 01:00:27,450 --> 01:00:28,617 that he will be cured 1623 01:00:28,685 --> 01:00:30,052 and that we'll be blessed 1624 01:00:30,119 --> 01:00:34,623 with his health from now on. 1625 01:00:34,724 --> 01:00:36,625 Until you're five years clear 1626 01:00:36,693 --> 01:00:39,628 from a cancer treatment, you're 1627 01:00:39,696 --> 01:00:41,430 always worried about relapse. 1628 01:00:41,497 --> 01:00:45,901 And, you know, it was in the 1629 01:00:45,969 --> 01:00:47,502 back of everybody's mind, 1630 01:00:47,570 --> 01:00:49,438 this moment may not last. 1631 01:00:54,911 --> 01:00:56,445 Do you think you got cancer 1632 01:00:56,512 --> 01:00:59,181 because of the doping? 1633 01:00:59,248 --> 01:01:01,350 You know, I [sighs] I don't 1634 01:01:01,417 --> 01:01:04,019 know the answer to that. 1635 01:01:04,087 --> 01:01:05,587 And I don't want to say no 1636 01:01:05,655 --> 01:01:06,588 because I don't think that's 1637 01:01:06,656 --> 01:01:07,189 right either. 1638 01:01:07,256 --> 01:01:08,256 I don't know if it's yes or no. 1639 01:01:08,324 --> 01:01:11,259 But I certainly wouldn't say no. 1640 01:01:11,327 --> 01:01:13,028 The only thing I will tell you 1641 01:01:13,096 --> 01:01:15,297 is the only time in my life 1642 01:01:15,365 --> 01:01:17,165 that I ever did growth hormone 1643 01:01:17,233 --> 01:01:19,468 was the 1996 season. 1644 01:01:19,535 --> 01:01:20,802 And so just in my head 1645 01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:24,473 I'm like, "Growth, like 1646 01:01:24,540 --> 01:01:26,441 growing, hormones and cells --" 1647 01:01:26,509 --> 01:01:28,644 Like if anything good needs 1648 01:01:28,711 --> 01:01:31,013 to be grown, it does. 1649 01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:32,347 But wouldn't it make also sense 1650 01:01:32,415 --> 01:01:33,949 that if anything bad 1651 01:01:34,017 --> 01:01:35,984 is there that it too would grow? 1652 01:01:39,622 --> 01:01:41,490 So, how did you come up 1653 01:01:41,557 --> 01:01:42,524 with the idea for 1654 01:01:42,592 --> 01:01:46,194 the Lance Armstrong Foundation? 1655 01:01:46,262 --> 01:01:48,730 When I was diagnosed, I think 1656 01:01:48,798 --> 01:01:50,232 that I looked at my situation 1657 01:01:50,299 --> 01:01:51,133 and you had a disease 1658 01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:52,067 that young men didn't want 1659 01:01:52,135 --> 01:01:53,702 to talk about, which they still 1660 01:01:53,770 --> 01:01:55,137 don't want to talk about. 1661 01:01:55,204 --> 01:01:58,373 And I don't blame them. 1662 01:01:58,441 --> 01:01:59,975 You know, almost immediately, 1663 01:02:00,043 --> 01:02:01,576 within a month or two, I 1664 01:02:01,644 --> 01:02:03,412 thought, "Let's do something 1665 01:02:03,479 --> 01:02:04,579 here. 1666 01:02:04,647 --> 01:02:06,314 Let's try to help." 1667 01:02:06,416 --> 01:02:07,516 There's no awareness about it. 1668 01:02:07,583 --> 01:02:09,051 I didn't know a testicle bigger 1669 01:02:09,118 --> 01:02:10,686 than another is a problem. 1670 01:02:10,753 --> 01:02:11,687 And that's why when I win this 1671 01:02:11,754 --> 01:02:14,556 battle, everybody's gonna know. 1672 01:02:14,624 --> 01:02:18,527 And it starts today. 1673 01:02:18,594 --> 01:02:20,495 He came to me and to Bart 1674 01:02:20,563 --> 01:02:22,898 and a few other people 1675 01:02:22,965 --> 01:02:25,734 and wanted to do something. 1676 01:02:25,835 --> 01:02:27,235 We had very modest 1677 01:02:27,303 --> 01:02:28,870 expectations or ambitions. 1678 01:02:28,938 --> 01:02:30,238 We were -- We were gonna have 1679 01:02:30,306 --> 01:02:33,041 an annual bike ride in Austin, 1680 01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:35,510 try to raise some money, 1681 01:02:35,578 --> 01:02:36,912 find somebody to give the money 1682 01:02:36,979 --> 01:02:39,081 to and that's it. 1683 01:02:39,148 --> 01:02:41,717 We chose a ride that I had 1684 01:02:41,784 --> 01:02:44,453 always run as a non-competitive 1685 01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:48,790 kind of training race in Austin. 1686 01:02:48,891 --> 01:02:50,692 We did the first Ride for the 1687 01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:51,860 Roses, I guess that would have 1688 01:02:51,928 --> 01:02:55,397 been the February of '97. 1689 01:02:58,501 --> 01:02:59,935 It was a major success. 1690 01:03:00,002 --> 01:03:02,971 They had like 5,000 riders. 1691 01:03:03,039 --> 01:03:03,939 People were on bikes 1692 01:03:04,006 --> 01:03:04,940 that they had just dusted 1693 01:03:05,007 --> 01:03:06,274 out of their garage. 1694 01:03:06,342 --> 01:03:07,442 I mean, just squeaking 1695 01:03:07,510 --> 01:03:10,112 down the road. 1696 01:03:10,179 --> 01:03:11,446 And you've got to remember, 1697 01:03:11,514 --> 01:03:12,714 in Austin, Texas, people kind of 1698 01:03:12,782 --> 01:03:14,382 knew who he was but didn't 1699 01:03:14,450 --> 01:03:16,952 really know who he was. 1700 01:03:17,019 --> 01:03:18,120 They're not out there just to 1701 01:03:18,187 --> 01:03:19,087 "I'm gonna ride my bike and 1702 01:03:19,155 --> 01:03:19,988 get in shape and everything." 1703 01:03:20,056 --> 01:03:21,423 Like, no, they're there 1704 01:03:21,491 --> 01:03:22,624 because this is my cause. 1705 01:03:25,728 --> 01:03:27,763 To raise money for testicular 1706 01:03:27,830 --> 01:03:29,898 cancer awareness. 1707 01:03:29,966 --> 01:03:30,899 And for Lance. 1708 01:03:30,967 --> 01:03:33,502 It's a great cause. 1709 01:03:33,569 --> 01:03:35,604 It was an amazing time. 1710 01:03:35,671 --> 01:03:36,972 And you start to learn 1711 01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:40,942 about this cancer community. 1712 01:03:41,010 --> 01:03:41,943 And we were just going 1713 01:03:42,011 --> 01:03:43,078 to donate the money 1714 01:03:43,146 --> 01:03:45,480 to the American Cancer Society. 1715 01:03:45,548 --> 01:03:47,582 They came, and we met with them. 1716 01:03:47,650 --> 01:03:51,586 And we started asking questions. 1717 01:03:51,654 --> 01:03:52,587 And all their answers, 1718 01:03:52,655 --> 01:03:53,488 boy, it was just not 1719 01:03:53,556 --> 01:03:55,257 the answers that we wanted. 1720 01:03:55,324 --> 01:03:56,658 They weren't addressing 1721 01:03:56,726 --> 01:03:59,928 awareness, patient navigation, 1722 01:03:59,996 --> 01:04:00,762 all these things 1723 01:04:00,830 --> 01:04:01,830 that would just help a person 1724 01:04:01,898 --> 01:04:04,599 navigate the cancer world. 1725 01:04:04,667 --> 01:04:06,268 We realized at that time 1726 01:04:06,335 --> 01:04:09,004 we needed to do more. 1727 01:04:09,105 --> 01:04:11,306 This idea of cancer survivorship 1728 01:04:11,374 --> 01:04:12,274 really came home, 1729 01:04:12,341 --> 01:04:13,308 and so we started to build 1730 01:04:13,376 --> 01:04:14,442 the idea of the foundation 1731 01:04:14,510 --> 01:04:15,277 around this idea 1732 01:04:15,344 --> 01:04:16,678 of how do we help people 1733 01:04:16,746 --> 01:04:19,447 with cancer right now? 1734 01:04:19,549 --> 01:04:20,982 We started heading down 1735 01:04:21,050 --> 01:04:22,651 the road of doing our own 1736 01:04:22,718 --> 01:04:24,786 foundation. 1737 01:04:24,854 --> 01:04:25,720 Everyone had the passion, 1738 01:04:25,788 --> 01:04:27,189 the purpose, 1739 01:04:27,256 --> 01:04:29,524 and that's how great companies, 1740 01:04:29,592 --> 01:04:30,859 how great not-for-profits 1741 01:04:30,927 --> 01:04:31,660 get started. 1742 01:04:31,727 --> 01:04:32,627 And that's how Livestrong 1743 01:04:32,695 --> 01:04:34,796 eventually developed. 1744 01:04:50,274 --> 01:04:51,908 Oh, wow, there's a... 1745 01:04:51,976 --> 01:04:57,080 [ Indistinct talking on radio ] 1746 01:04:57,148 --> 01:04:59,683 Byrnesy, quit talking. Let's go. 1747 01:04:59,784 --> 01:05:01,151 Is it bad that Anna has her 1748 01:05:01,219 --> 01:05:02,485 seat belt on and I don't? 1749 01:05:02,553 --> 01:05:03,653 How do you not put 1750 01:05:03,721 --> 01:05:05,255 a seat belt on, dude? 1751 01:05:05,356 --> 01:05:06,323 What? 1752 01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:07,257 You don't have to have it on in 1753 01:05:07,325 --> 01:05:08,825 the back seat. 1754 01:05:08,893 --> 01:05:09,726 Of course you do. 1755 01:05:09,794 --> 01:05:10,527 No, you don't. 1756 01:05:10,595 --> 01:05:11,261 It's not a law. 1757 01:05:11,329 --> 01:05:12,262 You don't have to have 1758 01:05:12,330 --> 01:05:13,029 a seat belt on. 1759 01:05:13,097 --> 02:10:27,700 Yes, you do! 1760 01:05:13,798 --> 01:05:14,531 No, you don't. 1761 01:05:14,599 --> 01:05:15,232 There's not a law 1762 01:05:15,299 --> 01:05:15,866 in the back seat 1763 01:05:15,933 --> 01:05:16,900 you can have your seat belt off. 1764 01:05:16,968 --> 01:05:17,767 It's just if you have a seat 1765 01:05:17,835 --> 01:05:18,935 belt, you have to put it on. 1766 01:05:19,003 --> 01:05:19,669 If you're on a bus 1767 01:05:19,737 --> 01:05:20,570 and you have a seat belt, 1768 01:05:20,638 --> 01:05:21,404 you got to put it on. 1769 01:05:21,472 --> 01:05:22,272 If there's a seat belt 1770 01:05:22,340 --> 01:05:23,506 available, you got to put it on. 1771 01:05:23,574 --> 01:05:24,574 We should really -- We should 1772 01:05:24,642 --> 01:05:25,008 go. 1773 01:05:25,076 --> 01:05:25,842 We got to go. 1774 01:05:25,910 --> 01:05:26,676 We do have to go. 1775 01:05:26,744 --> 01:05:27,544 We're gonna -- we -- 1776 01:05:27,612 --> 01:05:28,178 You got to put 1777 01:05:28,246 --> 01:05:28,845 your seat belt on. 1778 01:05:28,913 --> 01:05:29,746 It'd be kind of a... 1779 01:05:29,814 --> 01:05:32,282 move to be late. 1780 01:05:32,350 --> 01:05:35,118 [ Chuckles ] 1781 01:05:35,186 --> 01:05:37,354 [ Indistinct conversations ] 1782 01:05:37,421 --> 01:05:39,589 [ Camera shutters clicking ] 1783 01:05:44,495 --> 01:05:45,128 I think they should -- 1784 01:05:45,196 --> 01:05:46,196 speaking of PR, I think 1785 01:05:46,264 --> 01:05:47,898 we should change the name. 1786 01:05:56,841 --> 01:05:58,275 A lot of people throughout 1787 01:05:58,342 --> 01:05:59,276 this process were like, 1788 01:05:59,343 --> 01:06:00,377 "Take him off the ticket. 1789 01:06:00,444 --> 01:06:02,445 We don't want him." 1790 01:06:02,513 --> 01:06:03,880 But at the end of the day, 1791 01:06:03,948 --> 01:06:04,814 someone has to do 1792 01:06:04,882 --> 01:06:05,882 what they think is right, 1793 01:06:05,950 --> 01:06:07,317 and I think it's right 1794 01:06:07,385 --> 01:06:09,786 to give an award to somebody 1795 01:06:09,854 --> 01:06:12,255 who has done a lot of good. 1796 01:06:12,323 --> 01:06:14,891 Lance Armstrong 1797 01:06:14,959 --> 01:06:15,825 is one of the best dudes 1798 01:06:15,893 --> 01:06:17,894 I've ever met in my life. 1799 01:06:17,962 --> 01:06:21,798 And to see him tonight, 1800 01:06:21,866 --> 01:06:22,732 to be able to sit here 1801 01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:24,401 and present the Inspiration 1802 01:06:24,468 --> 01:06:27,771 Award Babes for Boobs, 1803 01:06:27,838 --> 01:06:29,072 to this dude, 1804 01:06:29,140 --> 01:06:31,074 I couldn't be any more honored. 1805 01:06:31,175 --> 01:06:31,908 Ladies and gentlemen, 1806 01:06:31,976 --> 01:06:32,909 Lance Armstrong. 1807 01:06:32,977 --> 01:06:36,246 [ Cheers and applause ] 1808 01:06:36,314 --> 01:06:38,848 Okay. All right. 1809 01:06:38,916 --> 01:06:40,650 Uh, I just want to say one thing 1810 01:06:40,718 --> 01:06:41,818 real quick because it's 1811 01:06:41,886 --> 01:06:44,087 really -- it is the reason that 1812 01:06:44,155 --> 01:06:48,591 breast cancer has become such, 1813 01:06:48,659 --> 01:06:50,093 for lack of a better word, 1814 01:06:50,161 --> 01:06:51,628 such a successful story. 1815 01:06:51,696 --> 01:06:53,596 Because you women 1816 01:06:53,664 --> 01:06:54,864 had the courage 1817 01:06:54,932 --> 01:06:57,834 and the brains to mobilize 1818 01:06:57,902 --> 01:06:59,102 and tell your story 1819 01:06:59,170 --> 01:07:01,037 and to ask people to help 1820 01:07:01,105 --> 01:07:02,439 and to, you know, 1821 01:07:02,506 --> 01:07:03,640 have Washington, D.C., 1822 01:07:03,708 --> 01:07:05,342 get off their ass. 1823 01:07:05,409 --> 01:07:06,977 So here's to the women 1824 01:07:07,044 --> 01:07:07,677 in the room, 1825 01:07:07,745 --> 01:07:09,479 and thank you very much. 1826 01:07:09,547 --> 01:07:12,615 [ Cheers and applause ] 1827 01:07:18,089 --> 01:07:20,223 [ Laughs ] 1828 01:07:20,291 --> 01:07:22,592 [ Indistinct conversations ] 1829 01:07:26,797 --> 01:07:28,465 Hey, bro, I think you could 1830 01:07:28,532 --> 01:07:29,499 have walked right out the front 1831 01:07:29,567 --> 01:07:31,201 and no one would give a... 1832 01:07:31,268 --> 01:07:32,469 I mean, at this point 1833 01:07:32,536 --> 01:07:34,738 though, isn't the back alley 1834 01:07:34,805 --> 01:07:35,805 thing where we've got to walk 1835 01:07:35,873 --> 01:07:37,140 by nine dumpsters to get out 1836 01:07:37,208 --> 01:07:40,010 of a place a little tired? 1837 01:07:40,077 --> 01:07:42,812 Nobody cares. 1838 01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,915 They either love or hate him. 1839 01:07:45,983 --> 01:07:46,983 Take it easy, all right? 1840 01:07:47,051 --> 01:07:47,650 Yeah, you too, 1841 01:07:47,718 --> 01:07:50,387 thank you very much. 1842 01:07:56,961 --> 01:07:58,395 The last five years has really 1843 01:07:58,462 --> 01:08:01,731 caused me to, you know, pause 1844 01:08:01,799 --> 01:08:03,700 and try to understand not just 1845 01:08:03,768 --> 01:08:06,936 myself, but what this story 1846 01:08:07,004 --> 01:08:08,772 meant to other people, what this 1847 01:08:08,839 --> 01:08:10,340 story meant to the world, right? 1848 01:08:10,408 --> 01:08:13,343 And, you know, that's 1849 01:08:13,411 --> 01:08:17,547 a heavy thing to think about. 1850 01:08:17,615 --> 01:08:18,515 I never knew this story 1851 01:08:18,582 --> 01:08:21,051 was as big as it was. 1852 01:08:21,118 --> 01:08:22,552 I just -- I knew it was big, 1853 01:08:22,620 --> 01:08:25,221 but I didn't know it was -- 1854 01:08:25,289 --> 01:08:28,258 I didn't know it was that big. 1855 01:08:28,325 --> 01:08:29,259 If I was competing today, 1856 01:08:29,326 --> 01:08:30,860 I could tell you 1857 01:08:30,928 --> 01:08:33,196 who my peers would be, right? 1858 01:08:33,264 --> 01:08:34,064 My peers would be 1859 01:08:34,131 --> 01:08:36,299 Michael Phelps, LeBron James, 1860 01:08:36,367 --> 01:08:40,070 and so I can -- I see where they 1861 01:08:40,137 --> 01:08:41,204 are. 1862 01:08:41,272 --> 01:08:42,539 And so only now do I realize, 1863 01:08:42,606 --> 01:08:44,374 "Okay, that's where you were." 1864 01:08:44,442 --> 01:08:46,943 That's where I was. 1865 01:08:47,011 --> 01:08:49,746 I really don't miss that. 1866 01:08:49,814 --> 01:08:51,247 And I think if I'd have stayed 1867 01:08:51,315 --> 01:08:53,383 there, it wouldn't have been 1868 01:08:53,451 --> 01:08:54,717 good for my family. 1869 01:09:01,959 --> 01:09:04,594 [ Man speaking French ] 1870 01:09:10,134 --> 01:09:14,737 [ Applause ] 1871 01:09:14,805 --> 01:09:17,574 Motorola lost its sponsorship 1872 01:09:17,641 --> 01:09:20,143 in '96. 1873 01:09:20,244 --> 01:09:21,678 So that was the last year 1874 01:09:21,745 --> 01:09:23,146 of Motorola. 1875 01:09:23,214 --> 01:09:23,847 So we were all kind of 1876 01:09:23,914 --> 01:09:24,514 just left on our own 1877 01:09:24,582 --> 01:09:27,917 to find our own teams. 1878 01:09:27,985 --> 01:09:30,487 We had wound up all signing 1879 01:09:30,554 --> 01:09:32,088 for team Cofidis, which 1880 01:09:32,156 --> 01:09:35,658 is a brand-new French team. 1881 01:09:35,759 --> 01:09:37,460 I feel good, I feel strong 1882 01:09:37,528 --> 01:09:41,364 standing here, but I still 1883 01:09:41,432 --> 01:09:46,302 have a ways to go on the bike. 1884 01:09:46,370 --> 01:09:47,103 Lance showed up 1885 01:09:47,171 --> 01:09:51,608 at our training camp. 1886 01:09:51,675 --> 01:09:53,276 Seeing the other French riders 1887 01:09:53,344 --> 01:09:54,711 almost be scared to touch him 1888 01:09:54,778 --> 01:09:56,946 or shake his hand, 1889 01:09:57,014 --> 01:09:59,883 it was crazy to see him in 1890 01:09:59,950 --> 01:10:02,785 that condition where he wasn't 1891 01:10:02,853 --> 01:10:04,888 that magnet in the room, 1892 01:10:04,955 --> 01:10:06,523 that he was frail, 1893 01:10:06,590 --> 01:10:08,558 that he was fragile. 1894 01:10:08,626 --> 01:10:09,893 Doesn't have any eyebrows. 1895 01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:11,161 Doesn't have any, 1896 01:10:11,228 --> 01:10:13,730 you know, hair. 1897 01:10:13,797 --> 01:10:16,533 That definitely felt like it 1898 01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:17,567 was just a matter of time 1899 01:10:17,635 --> 01:10:18,568 before they found a way 1900 01:10:18,636 --> 01:10:20,703 to get him out of his contract. 1901 01:10:31,482 --> 01:10:32,882 We were at Interbike 1902 01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:34,417 together, and that's the big 1903 01:10:34,485 --> 01:10:35,552 bike convention. 1904 01:10:35,619 --> 01:10:36,419 It's held in Las Vegas 1905 01:10:36,487 --> 01:10:37,587 every year. 1906 01:10:37,655 --> 01:10:38,922 Lance and Bill could meet with 1907 01:10:38,989 --> 01:10:40,323 maybe some of these teams, 1908 01:10:40,391 --> 01:10:41,891 and he was getting the stiff arm 1909 01:10:41,959 --> 01:10:43,726 from all of them. 1910 01:10:43,794 --> 01:10:44,761 And he's like, "Man, 1911 01:10:44,828 --> 01:10:46,763 they're just screwing me or 1912 01:10:46,830 --> 01:10:49,399 they don't respect me anymore." 1913 01:10:49,466 --> 01:10:51,935 We called every team, 1914 01:10:52,002 --> 01:10:53,503 and it was either... 1915 01:10:53,571 --> 01:10:56,372 or a short conversation. 1916 01:10:56,440 --> 01:10:57,273 Part of me was like, 1917 01:10:57,341 --> 01:10:58,741 "Well, dude, what do you want? 1918 01:10:58,809 --> 01:11:00,209 You wanted them to pay you 1919 01:11:00,277 --> 01:11:02,579 $500,000 or $1 million a year 1920 01:11:02,646 --> 01:11:04,280 and you haven't done anything. 1921 01:11:04,348 --> 01:11:07,417 Let alone you had cancer." 1922 01:11:07,484 --> 01:11:08,952 I thought that I'd have a 1923 01:11:09,019 --> 01:11:10,086 home, I'd have a team, 1924 01:11:10,154 --> 01:11:11,120 I'd have a place, 1925 01:11:11,188 --> 01:11:13,556 and there was nothing. 1926 01:11:17,227 --> 01:11:19,262 It just didn't seem possible 1927 01:11:19,330 --> 01:11:21,130 that he was going to be able 1928 01:11:21,198 --> 01:11:22,465 to come back 1929 01:11:22,533 --> 01:11:24,067 to the highest level of sport 1930 01:11:24,134 --> 01:11:25,969 after cancer. 1931 01:11:29,540 --> 01:11:31,474 Only one team wanted me. 1932 01:11:31,542 --> 01:11:33,042 Good morning, everyone. 1933 01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:34,210 We're very excited about the 1934 01:11:34,278 --> 01:11:35,244 news that we're about to 1935 01:11:35,312 --> 01:11:36,546 announce. 1936 01:11:36,614 --> 01:11:37,246 The Postal Service 1937 01:11:37,314 --> 01:11:38,748 is very proud to deliver 1938 01:11:38,816 --> 01:11:40,149 this great American athlete 1939 01:11:40,217 --> 01:11:42,485 back to the sport of cycling. 1940 01:11:42,586 --> 01:11:43,987 It's not like the deliveries 1941 01:11:44,054 --> 01:11:45,088 that we normally make. 1942 01:11:45,155 --> 01:11:47,290 [ Laughter ] 1943 01:11:47,358 --> 01:11:48,324 Lance, on behalf of 1944 01:11:48,392 --> 01:11:50,093 the 750,000 men and women 1945 01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:51,227 of the US Postal Service, 1946 01:11:51,295 --> 01:11:52,161 we're proud to welcome you 1947 01:11:52,229 --> 01:11:53,429 to our team. 1948 01:11:53,497 --> 01:11:55,732 It wasn't my first choice, 1949 01:11:55,799 --> 01:11:56,933 but it was the only choice I 1950 01:11:57,001 --> 01:11:57,800 had. 1951 01:12:03,641 --> 01:12:04,607 Just one year -- just over 1952 01:12:04,675 --> 01:12:06,776 a year ago on October 9, 1996, I 1953 01:12:06,844 --> 01:12:07,777 sat before you and shared the 1954 01:12:07,845 --> 01:12:09,445 devastating news of my diagnosis 1955 01:12:09,513 --> 01:12:10,847 with testicular cancer. 1956 01:12:10,914 --> 01:12:12,582 This past year has truly been... 1957 01:12:12,683 --> 01:12:14,651 Thom Weisel, who at that time 1958 01:12:14,718 --> 01:12:17,186 owned the Postal Service team, 1959 01:12:17,254 --> 01:12:18,688 was like, "I want you, Lance, 1960 01:12:18,756 --> 01:12:20,189 but we're only gonna pay you 1961 01:12:20,257 --> 01:12:21,190 this much." 1962 01:12:21,258 --> 01:12:22,191 Which was kind of a little bit 1963 01:12:22,259 --> 01:12:23,159 of a slap in the face. 1964 01:12:23,227 --> 01:12:24,427 And Lance was like, "Man, 1965 01:12:24,495 --> 01:12:26,663 that's just -- That's a joke." 1966 01:12:26,764 --> 01:12:28,531 So Bill came up with an idea, 1967 01:12:28,599 --> 01:12:30,199 I think, I wasn't there for 1968 01:12:30,267 --> 01:12:31,167 this part of the negotiation, 1969 01:12:31,235 --> 01:12:31,868 but I do remember 1970 01:12:31,935 --> 01:12:34,771 it was tied to UCI points. 1971 01:12:34,838 --> 01:12:36,873 UCI is the organization 1972 01:12:36,940 --> 01:12:39,809 that runs cycling. 1973 01:12:39,877 --> 01:12:41,644 The more points that you have, 1974 01:12:41,712 --> 01:12:43,379 the more value you have as a 1975 01:12:43,447 --> 01:12:45,014 rider -- just as in football, 1976 01:12:45,082 --> 01:12:46,716 the more rushing yards that you 1977 01:12:46,784 --> 01:12:48,184 have or more passing yards 1978 01:12:48,252 --> 01:12:49,385 that you have, your value's 1979 01:12:49,453 --> 01:12:50,953 going to go up. 1980 01:12:51,021 --> 01:12:52,055 They said, "Okay, 1981 01:12:52,122 --> 01:12:54,457 for every UCI point Lance gets 1982 01:12:54,525 --> 01:12:57,560 he'll get $1,000 bonus." 1983 01:12:57,628 --> 01:12:59,295 So they took the deal. 1984 01:13:05,803 --> 01:13:08,004 He goes and does his first race. 1985 01:13:08,072 --> 01:13:09,739 He doesn't do 1986 01:13:09,807 --> 01:13:13,476 what he's known to do. 1987 01:13:13,544 --> 01:13:14,510 He got dropped in the race 1988 01:13:14,578 --> 01:13:15,645 in Pyrénées, and he just said, 1989 01:13:15,713 --> 01:13:16,145 "I'm out." 1990 01:13:16,213 --> 01:13:16,713 He went home. 1991 01:13:16,780 --> 01:13:17,914 Like, he didn't know what he was 1992 01:13:17,981 --> 01:13:18,514 gonna do. 1993 01:13:18,582 --> 01:13:19,716 And I remember we were in France 1994 01:13:19,783 --> 01:13:20,883 somewhere and he was just like, 1995 01:13:20,951 --> 01:13:22,251 "I can't do this anymore." 1996 01:13:22,352 --> 01:13:23,920 That was like the one 1997 01:13:23,987 --> 01:13:25,755 of the very few times in my life 1998 01:13:25,823 --> 01:13:26,756 or my experience with Lance 1999 01:13:26,824 --> 01:13:27,657 where I saw him 2000 01:13:27,725 --> 01:13:30,426 where he wasn't sure of himself. 2001 01:13:30,527 --> 01:13:34,097 I came back and thought, 2002 01:13:34,164 --> 01:13:35,431 "Oh, my God, like, I raced 2003 01:13:35,499 --> 01:13:36,432 probably for years 2004 01:13:36,500 --> 01:13:39,202 with metastatic cancer 2005 01:13:39,269 --> 01:13:40,503 in the lungs, in the abdomen, 2006 01:13:40,571 --> 01:13:41,237 in the brain. 2007 01:13:41,305 --> 01:13:43,439 Like, it's all gone now. 2008 01:13:43,507 --> 01:13:46,609 Like, I'm ready." 2009 01:13:46,677 --> 01:13:49,045 And it -- And I got my -- I went 2010 01:13:49,113 --> 01:13:50,947 over and got my ass kicked. 2011 01:13:51,014 --> 01:13:51,581 There was a lot 2012 01:13:51,648 --> 01:13:52,248 of expectations 2013 01:13:52,316 --> 01:13:53,182 he would do well here, 2014 01:13:53,250 --> 01:13:54,217 but instead mentally 2015 01:13:54,284 --> 01:13:55,451 he was broken. 2016 01:13:55,519 --> 01:13:56,719 He left for America. 2017 01:14:00,824 --> 01:14:03,893 [ Sea gulls calling ] 2018 01:14:09,466 --> 01:14:11,033 How did you meet Lance? 2019 01:14:11,135 --> 01:14:14,370 I met Lance last year 2020 01:14:14,438 --> 01:14:15,938 at the Ride for the Roses. 2021 01:14:16,006 --> 01:14:17,106 I was working for an advertising 2022 01:14:17,174 --> 01:14:18,741 and public-relations firm, 2023 01:14:18,809 --> 01:14:20,143 and we got to be friends. 2024 01:14:20,210 --> 01:14:20,977 Both of us were dating 2025 01:14:21,044 --> 01:14:21,944 other people at the time 2026 01:14:22,012 --> 01:14:26,783 but just sort of clicked. 2027 01:14:26,850 --> 01:14:27,984 We were in love and we wanted 2028 01:14:28,051 --> 01:14:29,285 to be married and start a 2029 01:14:29,353 --> 01:14:30,586 family, and she was a great 2030 01:14:30,654 --> 01:14:33,456 supporter of mine as a guy who 2031 01:14:33,524 --> 01:14:36,292 was being sort of reentered into 2032 01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:39,829 society. 2033 01:14:39,897 --> 01:14:41,164 In Santa Barbara, 2034 01:14:41,231 --> 01:14:42,732 we all went out to dinner 2035 01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,601 and she seemed 2036 01:14:45,669 --> 01:14:48,471 very sophisticated. 2037 01:14:48,539 --> 01:14:51,174 Almost, you know, soft-spoken, 2038 01:14:51,241 --> 01:14:53,009 demure, but Lance liked her 2039 01:14:53,076 --> 01:14:55,244 because she called him out. 2040 01:14:55,345 --> 01:14:55,845 Kind of like 2041 01:14:55,913 --> 01:14:56,746 the way Frankie did. 2042 01:14:56,814 --> 01:14:58,014 So that's what he really liked 2043 01:14:58,081 --> 01:14:59,982 about her. 2044 01:15:00,050 --> 01:15:02,451 After dinner he took me aside, 2045 01:15:02,519 --> 01:15:03,419 we were walking to the car 2046 01:15:03,487 --> 01:15:04,320 and he said, "Bets, come here." 2047 01:15:04,388 --> 01:15:05,154 And I said, "What?" 2048 01:15:05,222 --> 01:15:05,955 And he said, "What do you 2049 01:15:06,023 --> 01:15:07,089 think?" 2050 01:15:07,157 --> 01:15:09,859 And I said, "She seems nice. 2051 01:15:09,927 --> 01:15:10,459 I don't know why 2052 01:15:10,527 --> 01:15:11,160 she's with you." 2053 01:15:11,228 --> 01:15:12,962 [ Chuckles ] 2054 01:15:13,030 --> 01:15:13,763 I'm easy to get along 2055 01:15:13,831 --> 01:15:15,031 with, though. 2056 01:15:15,098 --> 02:30:31,778 No, I'm just kidding. 2057 01:15:15,866 --> 01:15:19,468 It depends on who you ask. 2058 01:15:19,536 --> 01:15:21,771 I am not always 2059 01:15:21,839 --> 01:15:23,105 the most level-headed person. 2060 01:15:23,173 --> 01:15:24,440 I'm pretty volatile. 2061 01:15:24,508 --> 01:15:25,808 She's pretty steady 2062 01:15:25,876 --> 01:15:26,642 and I certainly know 2063 01:15:26,710 --> 01:15:28,211 I need that in my life. 2064 01:15:28,278 --> 01:15:30,479 I need that steadying force, 2065 01:15:30,547 --> 01:15:34,450 and before I never had that. 2066 01:15:34,551 --> 01:15:36,686 I think for him he was 2067 01:15:36,753 --> 01:15:38,054 in this state of mind of, 2068 01:15:38,121 --> 01:15:40,056 "Okay, I've been through this 2069 01:15:40,123 --> 01:15:45,528 hell physically and... 2070 01:15:45,596 --> 01:15:48,698 I want all these things in my 2071 01:15:48,765 --> 01:15:51,167 life." 2072 01:15:51,268 --> 01:15:55,805 I think that's just natural. 2073 01:15:55,873 --> 01:15:57,039 That people that have been 2074 01:15:57,107 --> 01:15:57,740 on their death bed 2075 01:15:57,808 --> 01:15:59,408 when they come back, 2076 01:15:59,476 --> 01:16:01,310 if they don't already have that, 2077 01:16:01,378 --> 01:16:03,679 they want it, and they want it 2078 01:16:03,747 --> 01:16:05,348 quickly. 2079 01:16:11,588 --> 01:16:13,389 After you faced death, 2080 01:16:13,457 --> 01:16:17,193 was it hard to take EPO? 2081 01:16:19,663 --> 01:16:23,933 Um...you mean the decision? 2082 01:16:24,001 --> 01:16:24,734 Because it took -- 2083 01:16:24,801 --> 01:16:25,935 we did EPO before 2084 01:16:26,003 --> 01:16:28,838 and then obviously did it after. 2085 01:16:28,906 --> 01:16:30,172 No. 2086 01:16:32,476 --> 01:16:33,743 [ Chuckles ] 2087 01:16:33,810 --> 01:16:35,177 No. 2088 01:16:35,245 --> 01:16:37,713 No. 2089 01:16:37,781 --> 01:16:38,247 Because? 2090 01:16:38,315 --> 01:16:40,449 Jesus. Sorry. 2091 01:16:40,517 --> 01:16:42,018 Um... 2092 01:16:45,289 --> 01:16:46,856 In many ways -- and this is not, 2093 01:16:46,924 --> 01:16:47,790 you know, this is not going 2094 01:16:47,858 --> 01:16:48,624 to be a popular answer, 2095 01:16:48,692 --> 01:16:52,728 but in many ways, 2096 01:16:52,796 --> 01:16:58,134 EPO is a safe drug. 2097 01:16:58,201 --> 01:17:00,202 And, you know, 2098 01:17:00,270 --> 01:17:00,970 assuming certain things. 2099 01:17:01,038 --> 01:17:03,472 Assuming taken properly, 2100 01:17:03,540 --> 01:17:04,573 assuming taken 2101 01:17:04,641 --> 01:17:05,708 under the guidance 2102 01:17:05,776 --> 01:17:09,612 of a medical professional, 2103 01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:11,414 taken in, you know, 2104 01:17:11,481 --> 01:17:15,985 conservative amounts. 2105 01:17:16,053 --> 01:17:17,053 There are far worse things 2106 01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:19,021 you can put in your body. 2107 01:17:23,460 --> 01:17:24,393 Do you ever see yourself 2108 01:17:24,461 --> 01:17:26,595 doing the Tour again? 2109 01:17:26,663 --> 01:17:28,597 [ Sighs ] 2110 01:17:28,665 --> 01:17:29,632 I mean, it's such 2111 01:17:29,700 --> 01:17:30,800 a long way off, but, I mean... 2112 01:17:30,867 --> 01:17:32,301 Yeah, that's -- 2113 01:17:34,538 --> 01:17:35,838 Uh... 2114 01:17:35,906 --> 01:17:38,641 That's a tough one to answer. 2115 01:17:38,709 --> 01:17:40,343 My gut tells me, no, never 2116 01:17:40,410 --> 01:17:41,410 again. 2117 01:17:41,478 --> 01:17:42,745 That's my first instinct. 2118 01:17:42,813 --> 01:17:44,981 Yeah. 2119 01:17:45,048 --> 01:17:46,782 It's such a hard event, 2120 01:17:46,850 --> 01:17:49,085 and I don't know 2121 01:17:49,152 --> 01:17:51,320 what's gonna happen with me 2122 01:17:51,388 --> 01:17:54,657 and cycling in 1999. 2123 01:17:54,725 --> 01:17:55,624 This year it certainly won't 2124 01:17:55,692 --> 01:18:01,530 happen. 2125 01:18:09,002 --> 01:18:10,769 An investigation into the use 2126 01:18:10,837 --> 01:18:11,870 of banned substances 2127 01:18:11,938 --> 01:18:13,305 at this year's Tour de France 2128 01:18:13,373 --> 01:18:14,573 has led to the expulsion 2129 01:18:14,641 --> 01:18:16,141 of the top-rated Festina team. 2130 01:18:16,209 --> 01:18:17,443 The team manager admitted 2131 01:18:17,510 --> 01:18:18,777 that some of his riders had been 2132 01:18:18,845 --> 01:18:20,379 using performance-enhancing 2133 01:18:20,447 --> 01:18:22,715 drugs under medical supervision. 2134 01:18:22,782 --> 01:18:23,882 The world's most grueling 2135 01:18:23,950 --> 01:18:24,883 sporting event all 2136 01:18:24,951 --> 01:18:26,151 but collapsed today under 2137 01:18:26,219 --> 01:18:27,453 the weight of a drug scandal 2138 01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:28,454 that has threatened the very 2139 01:18:28,521 --> 01:18:30,556 future of the Tour de France. 2140 01:18:30,624 --> 01:18:35,294 [ Woman speaking French ] 2141 01:18:35,362 --> 01:18:36,228 All of us were a little bit 2142 01:18:36,296 --> 01:18:37,796 shocked that, you know, 2143 01:18:37,864 --> 01:18:38,964 law enforcement would come in 2144 01:18:39,032 --> 01:18:40,165 on this. 2145 01:18:40,266 --> 01:18:41,800 This isn't just a sporting issue 2146 01:18:41,868 --> 01:18:42,267 anymore. 2147 01:18:42,335 --> 01:18:44,269 Now this is a legal, you know, 2148 01:18:44,337 --> 01:18:45,638 penal issue. 2149 01:18:45,872 --> 01:18:48,574 Festina showed that a team 2150 01:18:48,642 --> 01:18:49,942 was actually -- 2151 01:18:50,010 --> 01:18:51,510 you could near enough say 2152 01:18:51,578 --> 01:18:53,112 on an industrial basis -- 2153 01:18:53,179 --> 01:18:55,648 utilizing doping products. 2154 01:18:55,715 --> 01:18:56,782 These guys were going 2155 01:18:56,850 --> 01:18:57,683 to jail. 2156 01:18:57,751 --> 01:18:59,418 They were getting, you know, 2157 01:18:59,486 --> 01:19:01,954 the old French strip search, 2158 01:19:02,022 --> 01:19:02,955 body cavity search 2159 01:19:03,023 --> 01:19:05,958 sort of things. 2160 01:19:06,026 --> 01:19:07,426 Luckily, I didn't speak 2161 01:19:07,494 --> 01:19:09,161 very good French at that time. 2162 01:19:09,229 --> 01:19:12,297 [ Man speaking French ] 2163 01:19:12,365 --> 01:19:13,832 We would just go into our room, 2164 01:19:13,900 --> 01:19:15,868 lock the door, watch MTV, 2165 01:19:15,935 --> 01:19:17,503 and wake up in the morning 2166 01:19:17,570 --> 01:19:20,305 ready to go again, all motivated 2167 01:19:20,373 --> 01:19:22,307 and looking forward to the day. 2168 01:19:22,375 --> 01:19:22,941 And then we'd get 2169 01:19:23,009 --> 02:38:47,609 to the breakfast table 2170 01:19:23,777 --> 01:19:25,010 and all of our French teammates 2171 01:19:25,078 --> 01:19:26,045 would have like bags 2172 01:19:26,112 --> 01:19:28,313 under their eyes, bloodshot eyes 2173 01:19:28,381 --> 01:19:30,149 because they were up listening 2174 01:19:30,216 --> 01:19:32,885 to everything on the news. 2175 01:19:32,952 --> 01:19:34,153 People are either arrested, 2176 01:19:34,220 --> 01:19:35,320 they drop out of the race, 2177 01:19:35,388 --> 01:19:36,689 they disappear in the night. 2178 01:19:36,756 --> 01:19:37,890 ONCE disappeared. 2179 01:19:37,957 --> 01:19:38,824 They just put everybody 2180 01:19:38,892 --> 01:19:43,228 on the bus and took off. 2181 01:19:43,296 --> 01:19:43,862 Carnage. 2182 01:19:43,930 --> 01:19:46,331 It was utter carnage. 2183 01:19:46,399 --> 01:19:48,500 People were getting rid of drugs 2184 01:19:48,568 --> 01:19:50,069 like they were going out 2185 01:19:50,136 --> 01:19:51,170 of fashion -- which I guess 2186 01:19:51,237 --> 01:19:53,205 they were, at that race, anyway. 2187 01:19:53,273 --> 01:19:55,207 Up till that moment 2188 01:19:55,275 --> 01:19:56,341 when that happened, 2189 01:19:56,409 --> 01:19:57,976 it was like the Wild West. 2190 01:19:58,044 --> 01:19:59,878 Everything very open. 2191 01:19:59,946 --> 01:20:00,913 White lunch bags getting 2192 01:20:00,980 --> 01:20:02,514 passed out like this. 2193 01:20:02,582 --> 01:20:05,050 [ Speaking French ] 2194 01:20:20,900 --> 01:20:23,602 Doctors were petrified. 2195 01:20:23,670 --> 01:20:24,570 And actually I quite enjoyed 2196 01:20:24,637 --> 01:20:25,537 seeing the doctors scared, 2197 01:20:25,605 --> 01:20:27,372 because I'd always had a problem 2198 01:20:27,440 --> 01:20:28,107 with the doctors. 2199 01:20:28,174 --> 01:20:29,041 Because I thought you're meant 2200 01:20:29,109 --> 01:20:30,175 to look after people's health, 2201 01:20:30,243 --> 01:20:31,543 and kind 2202 01:20:31,611 --> 01:20:33,378 of providing performance 2203 01:20:33,446 --> 01:20:34,747 enhancing drugs isn't looking 2204 01:20:34,814 --> 01:20:36,315 after someone's health, is it? 2205 01:20:40,954 --> 01:20:42,788 It was seen that there was 2206 01:20:42,856 --> 01:20:44,389 a need for an objective 2207 01:20:44,457 --> 01:20:46,558 third party to enforce the 2208 01:20:46,626 --> 01:20:49,928 anti-doping rules of a sport. 2209 01:20:49,996 --> 01:20:53,065 It was that scandal which led 2210 01:20:53,133 --> 01:20:56,034 to the creation of WADA. 2211 01:20:56,102 --> 01:20:57,703 The problem at that time 2212 01:20:57,771 --> 01:20:59,271 was that the athletes 2213 01:20:59,339 --> 01:21:01,273 were ahead of the system. 2214 01:21:01,341 --> 01:21:03,075 And it took several years 2215 01:21:03,143 --> 01:21:04,276 for WADA to catch up 2216 01:21:04,344 --> 01:21:06,078 with exactly what products 2217 01:21:06,146 --> 01:21:07,713 the athletes were using 2218 01:21:07,781 --> 01:21:11,450 and to create tests for those. 2219 01:21:11,518 --> 01:21:12,885 The effects of this Tour -- 2220 01:21:12,952 --> 01:21:14,153 not over at this point. 2221 01:21:14,220 --> 01:21:15,621 Phil Liggett, you've seen 26 of 2222 01:21:15,688 --> 01:21:16,088 these. 2223 01:21:16,156 --> 01:21:17,322 You've been a part of that 2224 01:21:17,390 --> 01:21:19,224 for all these years. 2225 01:21:19,292 --> 01:21:20,092 You told me it's the most 2226 01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:21,593 amazing race you've ever seen. 2227 01:21:21,661 --> 01:21:22,828 What about the Tour de France 2228 01:21:22,896 --> 01:21:23,462 in the future? 2229 01:21:23,530 --> 01:21:24,229 What kind of an effect 2230 01:21:24,297 --> 01:21:25,597 will the controversy have? 2231 01:21:25,665 --> 01:21:26,431 The important thing 2232 01:21:26,499 --> 01:21:27,799 is the sport of cycling 2233 01:21:27,867 --> 01:21:29,268 has been hit very hard. 2234 01:21:29,335 --> 01:21:30,435 It must take a real hard 2235 01:21:30,503 --> 01:21:31,470 look at itself. 2236 01:21:31,538 --> 01:21:32,504 We want the cheats out, 2237 01:21:32,572 --> 01:21:33,605 and the only way to achieve that 2238 01:21:33,673 --> 01:21:35,240 is to have better dope controls 2239 01:21:35,308 --> 01:21:35,941 and to give much 2240 01:21:36,009 --> 01:21:37,409 stiffer penalties for those 2241 01:21:37,477 --> 01:21:38,911 who are guilty of cheating. 2242 01:21:42,582 --> 01:21:43,282 Lance didn't ride 2243 01:21:43,349 --> 01:21:45,284 the Tour in 1998. 2244 01:21:45,351 --> 01:21:47,186 He had kind of a stop-and-start 2245 01:21:47,253 --> 01:21:50,355 season. 2246 01:21:50,456 --> 01:21:51,857 I grew really frustrated. 2247 01:21:51,925 --> 01:21:54,193 Basically quit. 2248 01:21:54,260 --> 01:21:55,494 My wife at the time, Kristin, 2249 01:21:55,562 --> 01:21:56,261 and a group of friends 2250 01:21:56,329 --> 01:21:58,297 were like, "Look, you can't -- 2251 01:21:58,364 --> 01:21:59,798 you can't quit like this. 2252 01:21:59,866 --> 01:22:01,366 You have to finish the season. 2253 01:22:01,434 --> 01:22:02,601 Just go finish the season. 2254 01:22:02,669 --> 01:22:04,770 Just ride it out, 2255 01:22:04,837 --> 01:22:07,439 and then you can retire." 2256 01:22:07,507 --> 01:22:09,474 So when I came back 2257 01:22:09,542 --> 01:22:12,144 in the late summer and fall, 2258 01:22:12,212 --> 01:22:13,278 I made a deal with myself. 2259 01:22:13,346 --> 01:22:15,948 I said, "The only promise I have 2260 01:22:16,015 --> 01:22:17,115 is that I will finish 2261 01:22:17,183 --> 01:22:19,017 every race that I start. 2262 01:22:19,085 --> 01:22:22,487 I won't quit a race." 2263 01:22:22,555 --> 01:22:24,356 And I started winning. 2264 01:22:24,424 --> 01:22:25,991 Everything. 2265 01:22:26,059 --> 01:22:27,292 I won the Tour of Luxembourg. 2266 01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:28,493 I won a big race in Germany. 2267 01:22:28,561 --> 01:22:30,329 Fourth in the Tour of Spain. 2268 01:22:30,396 --> 01:22:31,330 So that's the first time 2269 01:22:31,397 --> 01:22:32,497 that I had proven myself 2270 01:22:32,565 --> 01:22:34,700 in a three-week race. 2271 01:22:34,767 --> 01:22:35,834 And that was a surprise 2272 01:22:35,902 --> 01:22:36,368 to everybody. 2273 01:22:36,436 --> 01:22:38,904 Surprise to me. 2274 01:22:38,972 --> 01:22:40,472 I convinced in the fall, 2275 01:22:40,540 --> 01:22:41,573 I convinced Johan Bruyneel 2276 01:22:41,641 --> 01:22:42,474 to come on and be 2277 01:22:42,542 --> 01:22:44,576 the new director of this team. 2278 01:22:44,644 --> 01:22:45,844 You have the Tour de France, 2279 01:22:45,912 --> 01:22:47,679 Tour of Italy, Tour of Spain. 2280 01:22:47,780 --> 01:22:48,747 There's three races 2281 01:22:48,815 --> 01:22:51,250 that are three weeks long. 2282 01:22:51,317 --> 01:22:53,552 Anybody who gets a good result, 2283 01:22:53,620 --> 01:22:54,753 top five or podium 2284 01:22:54,821 --> 01:22:57,322 in one of those big races 2285 01:22:57,390 --> 01:22:58,223 has the potential 2286 01:22:58,291 --> 01:23:00,359 to be in the front. 2287 01:23:00,460 --> 01:23:01,660 I'm not talking about winning, 2288 01:23:01,728 --> 01:23:02,361 but in the front 2289 01:23:02,428 --> 01:23:04,496 at the Tour de France. 2290 01:23:04,564 --> 01:23:05,697 This realization that "Oh, 2291 01:23:05,765 --> 01:23:06,531 my God, I'm gonna get 2292 01:23:06,599 --> 01:23:07,733 another shot at this --" 2293 01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:08,533 another shot at life, 2294 01:23:08,601 --> 01:23:09,534 another shot at sport, 2295 01:23:09,602 --> 01:23:11,203 another shot at glory, 2296 01:23:11,271 --> 01:23:12,704 another shot at money, 2297 01:23:12,772 --> 01:23:13,872 another shot at fame. 2298 01:23:13,940 --> 01:23:17,109 All these other shots. 2299 01:23:17,176 --> 01:23:20,779 Johan said, "You're going 2300 01:23:20,847 --> 01:23:22,381 to look really good 2301 01:23:22,448 --> 01:23:23,348 standing on the podium at 2302 01:23:23,416 --> 01:23:27,052 the Tour de France next year." 2303 01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,121 That moment cemented 2304 01:23:29,188 --> 01:23:31,089 their relationship 2305 01:23:31,157 --> 01:23:32,557 because Lance was still 2306 01:23:32,625 --> 01:23:34,126 in a very defiant mode 2307 01:23:34,193 --> 01:23:36,962 at that point about his illness. 2308 01:23:37,030 --> 01:23:37,796 That, you know, 2309 01:23:37,864 --> 01:23:38,630 "I'm gonna come back 2310 01:23:38,698 --> 01:23:42,100 and I'm gonna show you all." 2311 01:23:42,168 --> 01:23:43,702 I held on to a lot 2312 01:23:43,770 --> 01:23:46,204 of bitterness about -- 2313 01:23:46,272 --> 01:23:48,040 If you have 20 teams in the Tour 2314 01:23:48,107 --> 01:23:52,611 those other 19...them. 2315 01:23:52,679 --> 01:23:54,112 And I was gonna get them. 2316 01:23:59,319 --> 01:24:00,419 With the beauty and the 2317 01:24:00,486 --> 01:24:01,620 tradition as classic as 2318 01:24:01,688 --> 01:24:03,221 the French countryside itself, 2319 01:24:03,289 --> 01:24:04,256 the curtain now comes up 2320 01:24:04,324 --> 01:24:06,625 on the 1999 Tour de France. 2321 01:24:06,693 --> 01:24:08,627 Lance Armstrong now completing 2322 01:24:08,695 --> 01:24:09,795 a miraculous recovery 2323 01:24:09,862 --> 01:24:11,997 from testicular cancer. 2324 01:24:12,065 --> 01:24:13,899 Since 1903, the only thing 2325 01:24:13,966 --> 01:24:14,800 that has ever canceled the 2326 01:24:14,867 --> 01:24:15,934 Tour de France has been 2327 01:24:16,002 --> 01:24:16,635 world war. 2328 01:24:16,703 --> 01:24:17,502 Not even last year's 2329 01:24:17,570 --> 01:24:19,271 drug scandal could do that. 2330 01:24:19,339 --> 01:24:20,439 But when you look at the numbers 2331 01:24:20,506 --> 01:24:22,240 and the overview of the course, 2332 01:24:22,308 --> 01:24:23,008 this may be 2333 01:24:23,076 --> 01:24:24,176 an attempt by Tour organizers 2334 01:24:24,243 --> 01:24:25,410 to create an easier race 2335 01:24:25,478 --> 01:24:26,912 so that cyclists don't have to 2336 01:24:26,979 --> 01:24:29,648 use performance-enhancing drugs. 2337 01:24:29,749 --> 01:24:30,849 The challenge the first year 2338 01:24:30,917 --> 01:24:35,020 was find or have nine guys 2339 01:24:35,088 --> 01:24:36,021 that were actually capable 2340 01:24:36,089 --> 01:24:39,791 of riding the Tour de France. 2341 01:24:39,859 --> 01:24:44,296 First year was Lance, George, 2342 01:24:44,364 --> 01:24:46,698 Kevin Livingston, 2343 01:24:46,766 --> 01:24:50,369 Hamilton, Frankie Andreu, 2344 01:24:50,436 --> 01:24:51,203 we had a French guy -- 2345 01:24:51,270 --> 01:24:52,804 Pascal Deramé, 2346 01:24:52,872 --> 01:24:55,307 Danish guy, Peter Meinert, 2347 01:24:55,375 --> 01:24:56,274 Christian Vande Velde, 2348 01:24:56,342 --> 01:24:58,043 who was a young rider, 2349 01:24:58,111 --> 01:25:02,047 and then Jonathan Vaughters. 2350 01:25:02,115 --> 01:25:03,482 Nine guys. 2351 01:25:03,549 --> 01:25:06,051 One is a protected leader for 2352 01:25:06,119 --> 01:25:07,285 the team. 2353 01:25:07,353 --> 01:25:09,621 Everybody else essentially is -- 2354 01:25:09,689 --> 01:25:10,722 they use the French term 2355 01:25:10,823 --> 01:25:12,958 "domestique," which means 2356 01:25:13,025 --> 01:25:15,727 you're in service of the leader. 2357 01:25:15,795 --> 01:25:17,028 So we're going into the '99 2358 01:25:17,096 --> 02:50:35,856 Tour of redemption. 2359 01:25:17,964 --> 01:25:19,064 Everybody's thinking, "Okay. 2360 01:25:19,132 --> 01:25:19,998 Well, we had our worst 2361 01:25:20,066 --> 01:25:21,366 experience and everything's 2362 01:25:21,434 --> 01:25:22,534 gonna be clean now." 2363 01:25:22,602 --> 01:25:23,835 And obviously, you know, 2364 01:25:23,903 --> 01:25:27,539 I thought so too. 2365 01:25:27,607 --> 01:25:28,140 I didn't think 2366 01:25:28,207 --> 01:25:31,510 it could get worse. 2367 01:25:31,577 --> 01:25:33,845 The drug that was the most 2368 01:25:33,913 --> 01:25:36,515 beneficial for cyclists, EPO -- 2369 01:25:36,582 --> 01:25:38,183 That drug was still 2370 01:25:38,251 --> 01:25:40,585 undetectable. 2371 01:25:40,653 --> 01:25:41,586 So people could take it 2372 01:25:41,654 --> 01:25:44,689 and not get caught. 2373 01:25:44,757 --> 01:25:45,590 The performance-enhancing 2374 01:25:45,658 --> 01:25:47,759 benefit can be 10%. 2375 01:25:47,827 --> 01:25:48,727 Now, consider that the 2376 01:25:48,795 --> 01:25:50,061 difference between the first- 2377 01:25:50,129 --> 01:25:52,564 place rider and the last-place 2378 01:25:52,632 --> 01:25:53,832 rider in the Tour de France 2379 01:25:53,900 --> 01:25:55,267 generally is about two hours, 2380 01:25:55,334 --> 01:25:56,935 okay, and that's 2381 01:25:57,003 --> 01:25:59,204 for a 100-hour race. 2382 01:25:59,305 --> 01:26:02,441 So from first to last is 2%, 2383 01:26:02,508 --> 01:26:04,276 and the difference of EPO 2384 01:26:04,343 --> 01:26:05,844 is 10%. 2385 01:26:05,912 --> 01:26:07,512 Now, it's more complicated 2386 01:26:07,580 --> 01:26:08,780 than that, of course. 2387 01:26:08,848 --> 01:26:11,383 But that gives you a lens 2388 01:26:11,451 --> 01:26:14,119 into how much of a difference 2389 01:26:14,187 --> 01:26:18,457 this particular drug made. 2390 01:26:18,524 --> 01:26:20,258 You had the tremendous 2391 01:26:20,326 --> 01:26:22,961 performance benefit, 2392 01:26:23,029 --> 01:26:25,430 and you had the fact that nobody 2393 01:26:25,498 --> 01:26:27,966 was scared to take it. 2394 01:26:28,034 --> 01:26:28,767 If you want to win 2395 01:26:28,835 --> 01:26:30,135 the yellow jersey in Paris, 2396 01:26:30,203 --> 01:26:31,136 you've got stay up near 2397 01:26:31,204 --> 01:26:32,304 the front throughout the race. 2398 01:26:32,371 --> 01:26:33,104 And you do that 2399 01:26:33,172 --> 01:26:34,639 by doing well in time trials. 2400 01:26:34,707 --> 01:26:35,540 And this is the prologue 2401 01:26:35,608 --> 01:26:37,142 time trial. 2402 01:26:37,243 --> 01:26:39,744 As he was coming back 2403 01:26:39,812 --> 01:26:40,612 and getting ready for the Tour 2404 01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:41,646 there was one company 2405 01:26:41,714 --> 01:26:43,448 that we had talked to, 2406 01:26:43,516 --> 01:26:45,116 Bristol-Myers Squibb. 2407 01:26:45,218 --> 01:26:47,619 They made all three 2408 01:26:47,687 --> 01:26:50,088 of the chemotherapy drugs 2409 01:26:50,156 --> 01:26:51,389 that Lance used 2410 01:26:51,457 --> 01:26:52,657 to save his life. 2411 01:26:52,725 --> 01:26:54,926 It seems like the most obvious 2412 01:26:54,994 --> 01:26:56,094 sort of commercial partnership 2413 01:26:56,162 --> 01:26:58,597 you could come up with, right? 2414 01:26:58,664 --> 01:27:01,500 I spent a year with this company 2415 01:27:01,567 --> 01:27:02,801 trying to convince them 2416 01:27:02,869 --> 01:27:04,836 and never was able to do it. 2417 01:27:04,904 --> 01:27:06,972 He is aiming at 8:09. 2418 01:27:07,039 --> 01:27:08,006 He's certainly ahead 2419 01:27:08,074 --> 01:27:09,441 of Chris Boardman at this point! 2420 01:27:09,509 --> 01:27:12,911 My goodness me! 802.51. 2421 01:27:12,979 --> 01:27:14,312 Lance Armstrong with that 2422 01:27:14,380 --> 01:27:16,014 performance, Paul, I think may 2423 01:27:16,082 --> 02:54:33,635 have done enough. 2424 01:27:16,883 --> 01:27:17,516 Look at the face 2425 01:27:17,583 --> 01:27:18,450 on Armstrong there. 2426 01:27:18,518 --> 01:27:19,651 He's come here on a mission 2427 01:27:19,719 --> 01:27:20,952 and today, Phil, he's done 2428 01:27:21,020 --> 01:27:22,287 the best prologue time 2429 01:27:22,355 --> 01:27:25,290 trial of his life. 2430 01:27:25,358 --> 01:27:27,492 Lance wins the prologue, 2431 01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:29,160 and my phone rings 2432 01:27:29,228 --> 01:27:30,295 and it's John Kouten 2433 01:27:30,363 --> 01:27:31,096 from Bristol-Myers Squibb. 2434 01:27:31,163 --> 01:27:31,997 He said, "This is the most 2435 01:27:32,064 --> 01:27:32,797 embarrassing phone call 2436 01:27:32,865 --> 01:27:33,932 I've ever had to make. 2437 01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:37,202 We're ready to do a deal." 2438 01:27:37,270 --> 01:27:38,470 I didn't expect Lance 2439 01:27:38,538 --> 01:27:41,473 to win the prologue. 2440 01:27:41,574 --> 01:27:42,307 All of a sudden you go 2441 01:27:42,375 --> 01:27:44,309 from like, okay, maybe I can 2442 01:27:44,377 --> 01:27:45,544 try to get in the breakaway 2443 01:27:45,611 --> 01:27:49,548 or try to win a stage to like... 2444 01:27:49,615 --> 01:27:50,482 we've got to, like, protect 2445 01:27:50,550 --> 01:27:51,683 the overall lead here." 2446 01:27:55,288 --> 01:27:58,189 We were not prepared at all. 2447 01:27:58,257 --> 01:27:59,958 It just happened to us 2448 01:28:00,026 --> 01:28:01,726 and we were living it 2449 01:28:01,794 --> 01:28:03,194 from day to day, 2450 01:28:03,262 --> 01:28:05,997 you know, "Okay, another day. 2451 01:28:06,065 --> 01:28:10,035 Okay, we survived another day." 2452 01:28:10,102 --> 01:28:11,002 In cycling and in general, 2453 01:28:11,070 --> 01:28:12,137 I think you'll realize 2454 01:28:12,204 --> 01:28:13,338 that most of the guys, 2455 01:28:13,406 --> 01:28:14,739 it's such a hard sport 2456 01:28:14,807 --> 01:28:16,541 that most people are 2457 01:28:16,609 --> 01:28:18,076 just not too big of egos 2458 01:28:18,144 --> 01:28:19,177 that are involved just because 2459 01:28:19,245 --> 01:28:20,245 one day you're doing great, the 2460 01:28:20,313 --> 01:28:22,347 next day you're on the ground. 2461 01:28:22,448 --> 01:28:24,082 So I think it keeps 2462 01:28:24,150 --> 01:28:26,017 everyone quite humble. 2463 01:28:26,085 --> 01:28:27,185 What about Lance? 2464 01:28:27,253 --> 01:28:27,686 Lance? 2465 01:28:27,753 --> 01:28:28,687 [ Laughs ] 2466 01:28:28,754 --> 01:28:30,255 That's good. 2467 01:28:30,323 --> 01:28:31,923 Then you have Lance. 2468 01:28:31,991 --> 01:28:33,391 Armstrong has won three time 2469 01:28:33,459 --> 01:28:34,593 trials this year, two of them 2470 01:28:34,660 --> 01:28:36,828 prologues, one on the open road. 2471 01:28:36,896 --> 01:28:37,929 I bet he'd trade all three 2472 01:28:37,997 --> 01:28:39,264 for the win right now. 2473 01:28:39,332 --> 01:28:40,398 This is traditionally one 2474 01:28:40,466 --> 01:28:41,600 of the most significant days 2475 01:28:41,667 --> 01:28:42,667 of any Tour de France. 2476 01:28:42,735 --> 01:28:44,436 Whoever wins today immediately 2477 01:28:44,503 --> 01:28:46,037 becomes the odds-on favorite 2478 01:28:46,105 --> 01:28:46,871 to win the Tour 2479 01:28:46,939 --> 01:28:48,239 and subsequently establishes 2480 01:28:48,307 --> 01:28:49,841 the tactics that must be used 2481 01:28:49,909 --> 01:28:50,609 by the rest of the field 2482 01:28:50,676 --> 01:28:51,610 as we go into the mountains 2483 01:28:51,677 --> 01:28:52,677 in the final two weeks. 2484 01:28:52,745 --> 01:28:53,445 This is it. 2485 01:28:53,512 --> 01:28:54,913 Lance Armstrong has got the 2486 01:28:54,981 --> 01:28:56,715 world time trial champion in his 2487 01:28:56,782 --> 01:28:58,917 sights, and he's going in. 2488 01:28:58,985 --> 01:29:00,285 This is unbelievable. 2489 01:29:00,353 --> 01:29:01,019 You could have got 2490 01:29:01,087 --> 01:29:02,220 any odds on this happening 2491 01:29:02,288 --> 01:29:03,421 and they would have been long. 2492 01:29:03,489 --> 01:29:04,422 And he's gonna catch him. 2493 01:29:04,490 --> 01:29:06,091 In 1999, I was 2494 01:29:06,158 --> 01:29:08,193 running LanceArmstrong.com. 2495 01:29:08,294 --> 01:29:10,195 It was hosted out of my buddy's 2496 01:29:10,262 --> 01:29:11,796 garage in Tampa Bay, 2497 01:29:11,864 --> 01:29:16,067 Florida, on a 286 computer. 2498 01:29:16,168 --> 01:29:17,202 I got this call. 2499 01:29:17,269 --> 01:29:18,903 My friend says, "You have 2500 01:29:18,971 --> 01:29:20,138 crashed every server that I 2501 01:29:20,206 --> 01:29:22,207 have," because Americans were 2502 01:29:22,274 --> 01:29:23,141 starting to clamor for 2503 01:29:23,209 --> 01:29:24,576 information about how well Lance 2504 01:29:24,644 --> 01:29:27,412 was doing. 2505 01:29:27,480 --> 01:29:28,613 We had the opportunity 2506 01:29:28,681 --> 01:29:30,782 to take this to the masses 2507 01:29:30,850 --> 01:29:31,616 in a way that had never 2508 01:29:31,684 --> 01:29:33,151 really been done before, and the 2509 01:29:33,219 --> 01:29:34,386 masses cared. 2510 01:29:34,487 --> 01:29:39,290 [ Cheers and applause ] 2511 01:29:39,358 --> 01:29:40,592 Despite the fans' continued 2512 01:29:40,660 --> 01:29:41,826 support this has been 2513 01:29:41,894 --> 01:29:43,261 a Tour of Suspicion following 2514 01:29:43,329 --> 01:29:44,963 last year's Tour of Shame. 2515 01:29:45,031 --> 01:29:46,398 The French media in particular 2516 01:29:46,465 --> 01:29:47,666 have speculated that a man 2517 01:29:47,733 --> 01:29:49,100 who has been so ill 2518 01:29:49,168 --> 01:29:50,301 could only win one of the most 2519 01:29:50,369 --> 01:29:51,670 grueling events in sport 2520 01:29:51,737 --> 01:29:53,638 with the help of illegal drugs. 2521 01:29:58,010 --> 01:29:58,810 A lot of the journalists 2522 01:29:58,878 --> 01:30:00,945 who were skeptical about Lance 2523 01:30:01,013 --> 01:30:02,147 were skeptical in the first week 2524 01:30:02,214 --> 01:30:04,182 of the Tour de France. 2525 01:30:04,250 --> 01:30:05,650 And then as Lance 2526 01:30:05,718 --> 01:30:07,419 kind of cemented his position 2527 01:30:07,486 --> 01:30:08,820 in the yellow jersey, 2528 01:30:08,888 --> 01:30:09,587 they found themselves 2529 01:30:09,655 --> 01:30:11,589 being more challenged. 2530 01:30:11,691 --> 01:30:12,991 The guy's been through so 2531 01:30:13,059 --> 03:00:27,015 much. 2532 01:30:13,492 --> 01:30:14,759 He deserves this more than 2533 01:30:14,827 --> 01:30:15,527 anybody. 2534 01:30:15,594 --> 01:30:16,528 He's gonna do it, 2535 01:30:16,595 --> 01:30:17,629 and it's for him. 2536 01:30:17,697 --> 01:30:19,030 This is his Tour de France. 2537 01:30:19,098 --> 01:30:21,700 Tour de Lance! 2538 01:30:21,767 --> 01:30:23,668 You can get terrible cancer, 2539 01:30:23,736 --> 01:30:24,803 you can recover, 2540 01:30:24,870 --> 01:30:25,704 you can come back, 2541 01:30:25,771 --> 01:30:26,671 and you can be better 2542 01:30:26,739 --> 01:30:28,540 than you ever were before. 2543 01:30:28,607 --> 01:30:32,444 People love that story. 2544 01:30:32,511 --> 01:30:34,379 But if you were prepared to look 2545 01:30:34,447 --> 01:30:36,014 at it with any degree of 2546 01:30:36,082 --> 01:30:37,549 honesty, you would say, 2547 01:30:37,616 --> 01:30:39,317 "Hold on." 2548 01:30:39,385 --> 01:30:40,552 The race would be slower 2549 01:30:40,619 --> 01:30:41,653 because they would be using 2550 01:30:41,721 --> 01:30:43,621 far less drugs, so the speeds 2551 01:30:43,689 --> 01:30:44,789 would drop. 2552 01:30:44,857 --> 01:30:46,558 And '99 was the fastest Tour in 2553 01:30:46,625 --> 01:30:47,726 history. 2554 01:30:52,765 --> 01:30:54,466 Hein Verbruggen and 2555 01:30:54,533 --> 01:30:58,369 Pat McQuaid looked the other way 2556 01:30:58,437 --> 01:30:59,537 when it was pretty obvious 2557 01:30:59,605 --> 01:31:02,240 that Armstrong had been doping. 2558 01:31:02,308 --> 01:31:03,475 There were media complaints 2559 01:31:03,542 --> 01:31:10,148 that Lance was -- he was a 2560 01:31:10,216 --> 01:31:12,417 favored rider of Hein's. 2561 01:31:12,518 --> 01:31:14,919 He was helping the sport 2562 01:31:14,987 --> 01:31:16,921 become a global sport. 2563 01:31:16,989 --> 01:31:19,491 And so Hein at that time would 2564 01:31:19,558 --> 01:31:22,060 have thought that Lance was, 2565 01:31:22,128 --> 01:31:25,997 you know, a great star and that 2566 01:31:26,065 --> 01:31:29,367 he was good for the sport. 2567 01:31:29,435 --> 01:31:30,702 If the question is, "How much 2568 01:31:30,770 --> 01:31:31,903 did you have Hein Verbruggen 2569 01:31:31,971 --> 01:31:33,204 in your pocket?" there's a lot 2570 01:31:33,272 --> 01:31:34,372 of different ways to answer 2571 01:31:34,440 --> 01:31:35,173 that. 2572 01:31:35,241 --> 01:31:38,943 Financially, zero. 2573 01:31:39,011 --> 01:31:41,246 Did Hein -- 2574 01:31:41,313 --> 01:31:42,614 And he's no longer with us 2575 01:31:42,681 --> 01:31:43,715 to answer this question himself, 2576 01:31:43,783 --> 01:31:46,951 but do I believe that Hein 2577 01:31:47,019 --> 01:31:49,787 wanted to protect the sport? 2578 01:31:49,855 --> 01:31:51,222 Yes. 2579 01:31:51,290 --> 01:31:52,457 Protect me? 2580 01:31:52,525 --> 01:31:54,125 Yes, because that protects the 2581 01:31:54,193 --> 01:31:57,028 sport. 2582 01:31:57,096 --> 01:31:58,796 He was coming off the heels of 2583 01:31:58,864 --> 01:31:59,464 Festina. 2584 01:31:59,532 --> 01:32:01,099 The world is following this 2585 01:32:01,167 --> 01:32:02,600 story of this cancer survivor, 2586 01:32:02,668 --> 01:32:03,801 and then bam -- 2587 01:32:03,869 --> 01:32:05,770 the headline "Cortisone 2588 01:32:05,838 --> 01:32:07,572 found in his urine sample." 2589 01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:08,873 A number of publications, 2590 01:32:08,941 --> 01:32:10,041 including a leading French 2591 01:32:10,109 --> 01:32:11,876 sports journal, have insinuated 2592 01:32:11,944 --> 01:32:12,977 that Armstrong is on 2593 01:32:13,045 --> 01:32:14,412 performance-enhancing drugs, 2594 01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:15,213 that a cancer 2595 01:32:15,281 --> 01:32:16,748 survivor could not possibly be 2596 01:32:16,815 --> 01:32:18,082 strong enough to lead the 2597 01:32:18,150 --> 01:32:21,386 world's toughest bicycle race. 2598 01:32:21,453 --> 01:32:22,554 There was a sample that came 2599 01:32:22,621 --> 01:32:24,722 back that had traces of 2600 01:32:24,790 --> 01:32:26,891 a particular type of cortisone, 2601 01:32:26,959 --> 01:32:30,495 which I had taken 2602 01:32:30,563 --> 01:32:33,164 intramuscularly. 2603 01:32:33,232 --> 01:32:34,465 That type of cortisone 2604 01:32:34,533 --> 01:32:35,133 was available 2605 01:32:35,201 --> 01:32:36,000 a lot of different ways. 2606 01:32:36,068 --> 01:32:38,002 You could inject it, 2607 01:32:38,070 --> 01:32:39,971 you could have eye drops, 2608 01:32:40,039 --> 01:32:41,072 you could have a nasal spray 2609 01:32:41,140 --> 01:32:45,009 or you could have a cream. 2610 01:32:45,077 --> 01:32:46,077 He's using the cream for saddle 2611 01:32:46,145 --> 01:32:47,512 sores. 2612 01:32:47,580 --> 01:32:50,281 And so Hein just... 2613 01:32:50,349 --> 01:32:51,683 It's like, "That's it. 2614 01:32:51,750 --> 01:32:53,618 In one of the controls, there 2615 01:32:53,686 --> 01:32:55,620 was in fact some minute traces 2616 01:32:55,688 --> 01:32:57,689 of cortisone that was due to the 2617 01:32:57,756 --> 01:33:00,258 fact I was using a skin cream. 2618 01:33:00,326 --> 01:33:02,627 If it was another cortisone that 2619 01:33:02,695 --> 01:33:04,329 was only available through an 2620 01:33:04,396 --> 01:33:09,000 injection, I'm... 2621 01:33:09,101 --> 01:33:10,168 A year ago today, the Tour de 2622 01:33:10,236 --> 01:33:11,002 France, very honestly, was 2623 01:33:11,070 --> 01:33:12,136 almost dead. 2624 01:33:12,238 --> 01:33:13,171 Scandal surrounding the use of 2625 01:33:13,239 --> 01:33:14,706 performance-enhancing drugs 2626 01:33:14,773 --> 01:33:15,940 had just about killed this bike 2627 01:33:16,008 --> 01:33:17,108 race and ruined the reputation 2628 01:33:17,176 --> 01:33:18,209 of the sport. 2629 01:33:18,277 --> 01:33:19,310 Ironically, it took 2630 01:33:19,378 --> 01:33:20,778 an American, Lance Armstrong, 2631 01:33:20,846 --> 01:33:22,880 who had faced death himself, to 2632 01:33:22,948 --> 01:33:24,449 breathe life back into cycling 2633 01:33:24,516 --> 01:33:25,783 and almost single-handedly 2634 01:33:25,851 --> 01:33:27,318 save the Tour de France. 2635 01:33:27,386 --> 01:33:28,052 Absolutely right. 2636 01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:29,387 If you believe in miracles, 2637 01:33:29,455 --> 01:33:31,055 if you believe in fairy tales, 2638 01:33:31,123 --> 01:33:32,190 if you believe in life, 2639 01:33:32,258 --> 01:33:32,790 then you believe 2640 01:33:32,858 --> 01:33:35,460 in Lance Armstrong. 2641 01:33:35,527 --> 01:33:36,894 I remember sitting with him, 2642 01:33:36,962 --> 01:33:37,795 and Friday 2643 01:33:37,863 --> 01:33:39,631 was the final time trial. 2644 01:33:39,698 --> 01:33:41,299 Saturday was an easy stage 2645 01:33:41,367 --> 01:33:41,899 and then Sunday's 2646 01:33:41,967 --> 01:33:43,301 the ride into Paris. 2647 01:33:43,369 --> 01:33:44,235 And I remember sitting with him 2648 01:33:44,303 --> 01:33:46,337 going, "Hey, man, I wouldn't try 2649 01:33:46,405 --> 01:33:47,338 too hard on this time trial. 2650 01:33:47,406 --> 01:33:48,906 Like, it doesn't matter. 2651 01:33:48,974 --> 01:33:49,707 You've won the thing." 2652 01:33:49,775 --> 01:33:50,908 And he looked at me like, 2653 01:33:50,976 --> 01:33:52,210 "You are...crazy. 2654 01:33:52,278 --> 01:33:53,678 You do not understand anything. 2655 01:33:53,746 --> 01:33:55,980 I am the yellow jersey, 2656 01:33:56,048 --> 01:33:57,649 and I will win this time trial." 2657 01:34:01,620 --> 01:34:03,655 What if he falls over and, like, 2658 01:34:03,722 --> 01:34:04,355 something bad happens? 2659 01:34:04,423 --> 01:34:05,156 Like, we're going to do 2660 01:34:05,224 --> 01:34:06,658 "Letterman" next week. 2661 01:34:06,759 --> 01:34:08,726 As he comes up to the line, 2662 01:34:08,794 --> 01:34:10,995 it's 16 seconds -- 15, 14. 2663 01:34:11,063 --> 01:34:12,196 It is getting desperately 2664 01:34:12,264 --> 01:34:12,997 close here. 2665 01:34:13,065 --> 01:34:14,766 Zulle versus Armstrong, 2666 01:34:14,833 --> 01:34:16,267 and Zulle loses. 2667 01:34:16,335 --> 01:34:17,535 Armstrong is the winner 2668 01:34:17,603 --> 01:34:21,272 of the time trial -- 01:08:17. 2669 01:34:21,373 --> 01:34:22,507 Armstrong takes an almost 2670 01:34:22,574 --> 01:34:25,677 unassailable lead of 7:37 into 2671 01:34:25,744 --> 01:34:27,378 tomorrow's final stage, which 2672 01:34:27,446 --> 01:34:28,713 finishes on the Champs-Elysées 2673 01:34:28,781 --> 01:34:30,248 in Paris. 2674 01:34:30,316 --> 01:34:31,282 The specialist climbers 2675 01:34:31,350 --> 01:34:32,550 and sprinters have tried 2676 01:34:32,618 --> 01:34:34,419 to upstage him along the way, 2677 01:34:34,486 --> 01:34:35,787 but Armstrong proved too good 2678 01:34:35,854 --> 01:34:37,088 for all of them. 2679 01:34:37,156 --> 01:34:38,289 Thousands flocking to see 2680 01:34:38,357 --> 01:34:39,857 the yellow jersey's procession 2681 01:34:39,925 --> 01:34:41,292 towards the finish line. 2682 01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:42,460 The overall winner 2683 01:34:42,528 --> 01:34:43,761 of the Tour de France 2684 01:34:43,829 --> 01:34:46,464 is the American Lance Armstrong. 2685 01:34:46,532 --> 01:34:48,766 And he has been without doubt 2686 01:34:48,834 --> 01:34:50,601 the finest rider in this race. 2687 01:34:50,669 --> 01:34:51,903 Armstrong says he's living 2688 01:34:51,970 --> 01:34:53,638 proof that if life gives you 2689 01:34:53,706 --> 01:34:55,940 a second chance, you take it 2690 01:34:56,008 --> 01:34:57,108 and make it better 2691 01:34:57,176 --> 01:34:59,277 than the first. 2692 01:34:59,345 --> 01:35:00,778 I didn't understand 2693 01:35:00,846 --> 01:35:02,447 that this story 2694 01:35:02,514 --> 01:35:04,148 was going into the hearts 2695 01:35:04,216 --> 01:35:06,451 and minds of Americans 2696 01:35:06,518 --> 01:35:08,986 and embedding itself 2697 01:35:09,054 --> 01:35:13,825 in American sports history. 2698 01:35:13,892 --> 01:35:15,159 Congratulations, friend, 2699 01:35:15,227 --> 01:35:16,794 on behalf of all of us 2700 01:35:16,862 --> 01:35:17,962 in Texas and America. 2701 01:35:18,030 --> 01:35:19,797 We're so proud of you. 2702 01:35:19,865 --> 01:35:21,165 How are you feeling? 2703 01:35:21,233 --> 01:35:22,433 Oh, I'm wasted. 2704 01:35:22,501 --> 01:35:24,469 I bet you are wasted. 2705 01:35:24,536 --> 01:35:26,003 Tonight, Austin will make 2706 01:35:26,071 --> 01:35:27,305 sure he feels welcome. 2707 01:35:27,373 --> 01:35:28,439 Thousands of people came 2708 01:35:28,507 --> 01:35:29,974 on bicycles and pedaled down 2709 01:35:30,042 --> 01:35:31,275 Congress Avenue in Austin, 2710 01:35:31,343 --> 01:35:32,677 Texas, to pay tribute to the 2711 01:35:32,745 --> 01:35:34,479 most famous bicyclist in the 2712 01:35:34,546 --> 01:35:35,113 world. 2713 01:35:35,180 --> 01:35:38,916 [ Crowd cheering ] 2714 01:35:38,984 --> 01:35:40,151 An outpouring made 2715 01:35:40,219 --> 01:35:41,786 all the more special, he said, 2716 01:35:41,854 --> 01:35:42,987 because three years ago 2717 01:35:43,055 --> 01:35:44,188 when tumors had spread 2718 01:35:44,256 --> 01:35:45,690 to his lungs and brain 2719 01:35:45,758 --> 01:35:46,691 Austin residents 2720 01:35:46,759 --> 01:35:48,826 never gave up on him. 2721 01:35:48,894 --> 01:35:49,594 If you're looking 2722 01:35:49,661 --> 01:35:50,795 for a personal hero, 2723 01:35:50,863 --> 01:35:51,829 if you're looking for somebody 2724 01:35:51,897 --> 01:35:53,131 by whom to be inspired, you 2725 01:35:53,198 --> 01:35:54,332 could certainly do a lot worse 2726 01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:55,166 than this next guy. 2727 01:35:55,234 --> 01:35:56,467 Please welcome a champion 2728 01:35:56,535 --> 01:35:58,503 and a hero, Lance Armstrong. 2729 01:35:58,570 --> 01:36:00,505 When he won after coming back 2730 01:36:00,572 --> 01:36:03,875 from cancer, that put him 2731 01:36:03,942 --> 01:36:06,677 on a whole different level. 2732 01:36:06,745 --> 01:36:08,479 It transcended the sport. 2733 01:36:08,547 --> 01:36:09,947 It was about something entirely 2734 01:36:10,015 --> 01:36:12,850 different from that day on. 163399

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