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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,100 That is quite a special picture... which I thought was quite sweet. 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:05,160 (CHUCKLES) 3 00:00:05,180 --> 00:00:09,130 This is the first time that the two of us have spoken about her as a mother. 4 00:00:09,150 --> 00:00:12,200 You and I are both in this photograph. Right. (LAUGHS) OK. 5 00:00:12,220 --> 00:00:15,130 You are in the tummy. I know. Yeah. 6 00:00:15,150 --> 00:00:18,100 Arguably, probably a little bit too raw, 7 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,240 erm, up until this point. It's still raw. 8 00:00:22,230 --> 00:00:26,030 There's not many days that go by that I don't think of her. 9 00:00:26,050 --> 00:00:30,100 Her 20th anniversary year feels like a...a good time to remember, 10 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,090 you know, all the good things about her and, and hopefully 11 00:00:33,110 --> 00:00:37,100 erm, provide, maybe, a different side to her that others haven't seen before. 12 00:00:39,150 --> 00:00:44,020 NARRATOR: To celebrate the life and legacy of Diana, Princess of Wales, 13 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,180 her sons are sharing their most intimate memories of her 14 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,000 for the first time. 15 00:00:50,020 --> 00:00:53,150 We felt, you know, incredibly loved, Harry and I, and 16 00:00:53,170 --> 00:00:56,210 I'm very grateful that that love still...still feels there. 17 00:00:59,190 --> 00:01:01,140 It was that love that... 18 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,000 that even if she was on the other side of a room, 19 00:01:04,020 --> 00:01:06,120 that you, as a son, you could...you could feel it. 20 00:01:06,140 --> 00:01:09,220 Disappointing to have a brother instead of a sister? No, never. 21 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,020 (CHUCKLES) But I thought it was quite a funny photograph. 22 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,000 Through their mother's personal photographs 23 00:01:16,020 --> 00:01:18,020 and childhood home movies, 24 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,070 the people who knew and loved her 25 00:01:20,090 --> 00:01:23,050 reveal a Diana we've never seen before. 26 00:01:25,030 --> 00:01:27,150 She was always very caring of little people, 27 00:01:27,170 --> 00:01:31,010 and I suppose I was the first little person that she cared for. 28 00:01:36,010 --> 00:01:39,060 HARRY: Our mother was a total kid, through and through. 29 00:01:40,190 --> 00:01:43,100 And she really enjoyed the laughter and the fun. 30 00:01:46,140 --> 00:01:48,100 She was one of the naughtiest parents. 31 00:01:49,130 --> 00:01:52,160 She had a very cheeky sense of humour. 32 00:01:52,180 --> 00:01:54,210 She loved the rudest cards you could imagine. 33 00:01:56,190 --> 00:01:58,180 She was very jolly, and really enjoyed, 34 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,140 at times, making a lot of mischief. 35 00:02:01,190 --> 00:02:03,220 But she always understood that there was 36 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,010 a real life outside of the Palace walls. 37 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,210 Look at her face in every photograph. There's a positive, wonderful glow. 38 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,060 I think she wanted to make a difference. 39 00:02:18,070 --> 00:02:22,060 NARRATOR: Diana's death at the age of only 36 shocked the world. 40 00:02:23,170 --> 00:02:25,240 And it shaped the lives of her two sons. 41 00:02:27,010 --> 00:02:29,140 I give thanks that I was lucky enough to be her son 42 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,080 and that I got to know her for the 15 years that I did. 43 00:02:32,100 --> 00:02:35,220 She set up us really well. She gave us the right tools 44 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:40,060 and has prepared us well for... for life in the best way she could, 45 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,130 not, obviously, knowing what was gonna happen. 46 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,170 She was our mum. She still is our mum. 47 00:02:47,190 --> 00:02:52,160 You know, and of course as a son I would say this, she was, you know, the best mum in the world. 48 00:03:10,010 --> 00:03:12,170 When we found these photo albums recently, 49 00:03:12,190 --> 00:03:15,020 part of me never really wanted to look at them 50 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,110 and part of me was waiting to find the right time 51 00:03:17,130 --> 00:03:19,230 where we could sit down and look at them together. 52 00:03:21,100 --> 00:03:23,110 She loved taking pictures, it's so nice. 53 00:03:23,130 --> 00:03:26,000 She captured some really good portraits of people. 54 00:03:26,020 --> 00:03:29,150 Yeah. You kinda get a snapshot of their personality quite quickly. 55 00:03:29,180 --> 00:03:31,220 The funny thing is there's not that many of her 56 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,070 cos she's always taking the photographs. Yeah. 57 00:03:34,090 --> 00:03:36,100 And it's photos of us when we were tiny. 58 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,020 Yeah, from the start. From day one. 59 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,010 There's some pictures here of day one of you and day one of me. 60 00:03:41,030 --> 00:03:44,000 It's really nice looking back at it and reminding yourself... 61 00:03:44,020 --> 00:03:48,070 When I started looking through it, it brought back so many memories. 62 00:03:48,090 --> 00:03:51,040 I brought this one out because we were dressing up, 63 00:03:51,060 --> 00:03:54,230 thinking we were looking really cool. Yeah. That's brilliant. 64 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,010 We used to have great fun mucking around, didn't we? Yeah. 65 00:03:58,030 --> 00:04:01,190 That's the first day at school. Probably one of my first days. Probably. 66 00:04:01,210 --> 00:04:04,170 Me turning up thinking, "I've got my older brother at school, 67 00:04:04,190 --> 00:04:08,050 he'll be looking after me," when in fact you ignored me. (BOTH LAUGH) 68 00:04:08,070 --> 00:04:11,110 Erm, there's a photo here I thought you'd like to see. 69 00:04:11,130 --> 00:04:14,000 It's quite a special picture 70 00:04:14,020 --> 00:04:16,230 of the two of you, which I thought was quite sweet. 71 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,240 (CHUCKLES) Where was this, do you remember? This was out on holiday. 72 00:04:21,010 --> 00:04:23,190 I just remember having the skinniest legs, and still do. 73 00:04:23,210 --> 00:04:25,200 You're quite skinny there. Chicken legs. 74 00:04:25,220 --> 00:04:27,220 Got some good, bushy blond eyebrows there. 75 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,210 Your freckled nose. Your freckles have gone quite a lot now. 76 00:04:30,230 --> 00:04:35,040 You used to have such freckles. They come back every now and then. Quite funny. 77 00:04:35,060 --> 00:04:38,070 A sweet picture of her. Happy memories, big smiley faces. 78 00:04:38,090 --> 00:04:40,220 She smothered us with love, that's for sure. Yeah. 79 00:05:00,020 --> 00:05:03,090 To myself and William, she was just the best mother ever. 80 00:05:06,010 --> 00:05:09,160 She would just engulf you and squeeze you as tight as possible. 81 00:05:09,180 --> 00:05:13,070 And being as short as I was then, there was no escape, 82 00:05:13,090 --> 00:05:16,240 you were there, and you were there for as long as she wanted to hold you. 83 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,200 Even talking about it now, I can feel the hugs that she used to give us, 84 00:05:21,220 --> 00:05:25,010 and, you know, I...I miss... I miss that, I miss that feeling, 85 00:05:25,030 --> 00:05:27,200 I miss that part of a family, I miss having that mother 86 00:05:27,220 --> 00:05:29,160 to be able to give you those hugs 87 00:05:29,180 --> 00:05:32,140 and give you that compassion that I think everybody needs. 88 00:05:33,170 --> 00:05:38,000 She was extremely good at showing her love. 89 00:05:38,020 --> 00:05:41,060 She was extremely good at showing what we meant to her and, 90 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:45,000 you know, what feelings meant and how important it was to feel. 91 00:05:46,100 --> 00:05:50,030 Behind closed doors, she was a very loving, caring mother 92 00:05:50,050 --> 00:05:52,030 and an incredibly funny person. 93 00:05:56,150 --> 00:05:59,190 One thing I would love to ask her now, because I genuinely think 94 00:05:59,210 --> 00:06:03,030 that she got satisfaction out of dressing myself and William up 95 00:06:03,050 --> 00:06:06,190 in the most bizarre outfits, normally matching... 96 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,210 It was weird shorts, and, you know, like, 97 00:06:10,230 --> 00:06:13,090 little, sort of, shiny shoes with the old clip on, 98 00:06:13,110 --> 00:06:16,060 and looking back at the photos, it just makes me laugh. 99 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,150 I just think, "How could you do that to us?" 100 00:06:18,170 --> 00:06:21,190 Funnily enough, we got to the age when William would go, 101 00:06:21,220 --> 00:06:25,080 "I'm the older brother, why do I have to be dressed the same as him?" 102 00:06:25,100 --> 00:06:28,180 I'm sitting there going, "Hang on, if you're gonna dress differently, 103 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,240 I'm not gonna be the only person dressed like this. It's ridiculous." 104 00:06:32,010 --> 00:06:35,090 So I like to think that she had great fun in dressing us up. 105 00:06:35,110 --> 00:06:38,030 I'm sure that wasn't it, erm, but I sure as hell 106 00:06:38,050 --> 00:06:40,100 am gonna dress my kids up the same way. (LAUGHS) 107 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,230 There's not many days that go by that I don't think of her, 108 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,110 you know, sometimes sad, sometimes very positively. 109 00:06:47,130 --> 00:06:50,100 I have a smile every now and again when someone says something 110 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,170 and I think, "That's what she would have said," 111 00:06:52,190 --> 00:06:54,190 or, "She would have enjoyed that comment." 112 00:06:54,210 --> 00:06:58,090 So they always live with you, people, you know, you lose like that, 113 00:06:58,110 --> 00:07:00,080 and my mother lives with me every day. 114 00:07:02,190 --> 00:07:05,100 COMMENTATOR: The House of Kings, Westminster Abbey. 115 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,140 For a thousand years, the cradle of royal power, 116 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,150 and today, the setting for a royal wedding. 117 00:07:13,150 --> 00:07:16,030 How proud their mother would have been today. 118 00:07:16,050 --> 00:07:18,230 I think this really is a special moment. 119 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,130 DIRECTOR: I guess there must be the bittersweet days. 120 00:07:21,150 --> 00:07:23,150 I'm just thinking of your wedding 121 00:07:23,170 --> 00:07:26,190 when you're desperately wanting her to be there, to share in it. 122 00:07:26,220 --> 00:07:29,160 Yeah. Did you feel somehow that she was there with you? 123 00:07:29,180 --> 00:07:32,110 I did. And I sort of, beforehand, 124 00:07:32,130 --> 00:07:35,030 you know, had a lot to time to think about it. 125 00:07:39,010 --> 00:07:42,000 ARCHBISHOP: I pronounce that they be man and wife together. 126 00:07:42,020 --> 00:07:46,050 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, amen. 127 00:07:47,090 --> 00:07:51,180 WILLIAM: When it came to the wedding, I did really feel that she was there. 128 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,210 You know, there's... there's times when 129 00:07:53,230 --> 00:07:56,110 you look to someone or something for strength, 130 00:07:56,130 --> 00:07:58,160 and I very much felt she was there for me. 131 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,080 (CROWD CHEERING) 132 00:08:19,090 --> 00:08:21,090 COMMENTATOR: For the first time, 133 00:08:21,110 --> 00:08:26,130 through the centre gateway of Admiralty Arch arrives Lady Diana. 134 00:08:33,210 --> 00:08:37,130 And when we see her, perhaps, like all royal brides, 135 00:08:37,150 --> 00:08:42,010 the veil will be thrown back, and we'll see that lovely face. 136 00:08:43,210 --> 00:08:45,210 NARRATOR: It was on the day of her wedding 137 00:08:45,230 --> 00:08:49,040 that Diana first captured the world's imagination. 138 00:08:58,090 --> 00:09:02,080 Pageantry and romance were an unbeatable combination. 139 00:09:05,210 --> 00:09:09,010 The press called it the wedding of the century. 140 00:09:12,180 --> 00:09:16,110 ARCHBISHOP: I, Diana Frances... DIANA: I, Diana Frances... 141 00:09:16,130 --> 00:09:20,020 ..take thee, Charles Philip Arthur George, 142 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,090 to my wedded husband. ..to my wedded husband. 143 00:09:23,110 --> 00:09:25,070 (CHEERING) 144 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,040 Diana's marriage was a joyous event 145 00:09:29,060 --> 00:09:31,140 which everyone could relate to. 146 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:35,070 But it was also an utterly unique experience. 147 00:09:35,090 --> 00:09:39,240 Diana was joining the most famous family in the world. 148 00:09:40,010 --> 00:09:43,200 At the end of the day, she was a normal 20-year-old, 149 00:09:43,220 --> 00:09:46,090 normal 20-year-old, Lady Spencer... (CHUCKLES) 150 00:09:46,110 --> 00:09:48,120 ..marrying into the Institution, 151 00:09:48,140 --> 00:09:50,230 marrying into the royal... British royal family. 152 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,170 And she brought a breath of fresh air to everything that she did. 153 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:05,120 Diana Spencer grew up in one of the grandest aristocratic families in England. 154 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,200 Her father was a keen amateur cameraman. 155 00:10:13,230 --> 00:10:15,150 The home movies he made 156 00:10:15,170 --> 00:10:18,180 give us a precious glimpse into Diana's early life. 157 00:10:25,180 --> 00:10:27,220 She was always very caring of little people, 158 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,060 and I suppose I was the first little person that she cared for. 159 00:10:34,070 --> 00:10:36,140 My mother left home when I was two or three 160 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:40,200 and so Diana was the most significant, I suppose, 161 00:10:40,220 --> 00:10:43,020 warm female presence in my life. 162 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,000 And, you know, we spent so much time together. 163 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,200 I think our parents' divorce was quite tricky for all of us. 164 00:10:58,220 --> 00:11:01,200 It was very, sort of, bitter 165 00:11:01,220 --> 00:11:05,080 and had an impact, a big impact. They never spoke. And, you know... 166 00:11:06,190 --> 00:11:09,030 I do feel that the girl I grew up with 167 00:11:09,050 --> 00:11:12,240 had a sort of bundle of insecurities and unhappinesses. 168 00:11:17,230 --> 00:11:22,170 Because of her own sensitivities and vulnerabilities, 169 00:11:22,190 --> 00:11:24,220 she felt able to connect with people 170 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,150 who were going through a very tough time and sort of give them hope. 171 00:11:31,170 --> 00:11:34,220 As she grew up, there was a massive change in Diana. 172 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,240 She suddenly felt more confident. 173 00:11:39,110 --> 00:11:41,120 A definite blossoming. 174 00:11:41,140 --> 00:11:44,040 She sort of realised that she was really funny - 175 00:11:44,060 --> 00:11:46,230 I mean, her sense of humour was fantastic. 176 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,080 And male friends suddenly started to realise 177 00:11:49,100 --> 00:11:52,060 that this little girl was growing into a very interesting 178 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,000 and very pretty young thing. 179 00:11:55,220 --> 00:11:59,090 Diana had a small and intimate circle of friends. 180 00:12:02,090 --> 00:12:06,060 In this film, they're speaking about her for the first time. 181 00:12:08,190 --> 00:12:13,130 HARRY HERBERT: The first time I met her I was playing golf at Balmoral. 182 00:12:13,150 --> 00:12:17,030 My dad, you know, was great friends with the Queen, 183 00:12:17,050 --> 00:12:20,160 and just as I was about to play my shot, 184 00:12:20,180 --> 00:12:25,210 this vision of beauty appeared over the...the horizon 185 00:12:25,230 --> 00:12:28,160 full of laughter and energy, 186 00:12:28,180 --> 00:12:32,040 and that was the first time that I met Diana. 187 00:12:32,060 --> 00:12:34,070 And, erm, 188 00:12:34,090 --> 00:12:37,240 like everyone who meets her, she certainly had a big impact. 189 00:12:38,010 --> 00:12:41,180 I'm sure my shot was violently hooked or sliced, 190 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,040 erm, but we became great friends from that moment. 191 00:12:45,180 --> 00:12:49,030 Lady Carolyn Warren was a family friend of Diana's. 192 00:12:50,110 --> 00:12:53,000 CAROLYN: I was about 15, 16, 193 00:12:53,020 --> 00:12:57,000 and she would have been just a little bit older than me. 194 00:12:57,020 --> 00:12:59,190 She was great fun, 195 00:12:59,210 --> 00:13:03,220 had an amazing sense of humour and could light up the room. 196 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,040 Very, very caring. 197 00:13:08,060 --> 00:13:12,110 Er, she was always the person who if somebody was feeling down, 198 00:13:12,130 --> 00:13:15,200 or there'd been a bust-up with the boyfriend or whatever it was, 199 00:13:15,220 --> 00:13:20,030 she was first man in to sort of, erm, give a helping hand. 200 00:13:21,220 --> 00:13:26,050 These are photographs that I remember of Diana when she was 201 00:13:26,070 --> 00:13:28,240 working for my sister as a nanny. 202 00:13:29,010 --> 00:13:33,000 William van Straubenzee met Diana when she was 14. 203 00:13:34,070 --> 00:13:38,150 She was shy, and she was pretty unsure of herself 204 00:13:38,170 --> 00:13:43,000 and, erm, pretty naive and quite gullible, really. 205 00:13:43,020 --> 00:13:45,020 She was quite easy to tease, et cetera, 206 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,210 but she took it in incredibly good spirits. 207 00:13:47,230 --> 00:13:50,210 But you had no inkling 208 00:13:50,230 --> 00:13:53,080 of what sort of person she was going to be. 209 00:13:53,100 --> 00:13:57,220 You know, wandering around in jerseys covered in hippos and jeans 210 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,160 and slobbing around, and she pinched my shirts quite often 211 00:14:01,180 --> 00:14:05,030 cos she thought that that was quite a...quite a good thing to do. 212 00:14:06,170 --> 00:14:09,120 Whenever you saw her alone, she would have picked up some 213 00:14:09,140 --> 00:14:13,090 trashy romantic novel. You know, she was a bit of a dreamer. 214 00:14:13,110 --> 00:14:16,010 There was a side to her 215 00:14:16,030 --> 00:14:18,230 which we wished that somebody would sweep her off her feet. 216 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:22,170 (CROWD CHEERING) 217 00:14:22,190 --> 00:14:28,010 COMMENTATOR: This was the moment they had come from all corners of the kingdom to see. 218 00:14:28,030 --> 00:14:30,030 A new Princess for Wales. 219 00:14:34,110 --> 00:14:37,020 EARL SPENCER: I remember on the wedding day 220 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,050 going back to my mother's flat and thinking, 221 00:14:39,070 --> 00:14:41,100 "Well, that's done so we'll all move on now," 222 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:45,010 not realising that she had just become a sort of global superstar. 223 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:51,070 She was so young and fresh and vibrant 224 00:14:51,090 --> 00:14:55,040 and good-looking and un-stuffy. 225 00:14:55,060 --> 00:15:00,150 And this was all quite new, er, for...for somebody in that position. 226 00:15:00,170 --> 00:15:02,020 (CROWD CHEERING) 227 00:15:06,150 --> 00:15:08,220 Only three months after her wedding, 228 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:13,060 Diana's life as a working royal began with a tour of Wales. 229 00:15:14,180 --> 00:15:17,010 There was no training for her new role - 230 00:15:17,030 --> 00:15:19,090 she was thrown in at the deep end. 231 00:15:21,090 --> 00:15:23,110 Accompanying her was the lady-in-waiting 232 00:15:23,130 --> 00:15:26,020 who'd be by her side for the next ten years. 233 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,220 ANNE: That, I think, for both of us, was a baptism of fire. 234 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,240 (APPLAUSE) 235 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,090 It was an extraordinary experience. 236 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,110 It was that noise, it was the cheering, it was the children screaming - 237 00:15:41,130 --> 00:15:44,100 you know, it must have been very daunting. 238 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,100 HARRY HERBERT: What happened, I think, 239 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,230 was that everyone out there who didn't know Diana, 240 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:57,100 they were all having the "9th green at Balmoral"... (LAUGHS) ..moment that I had. 241 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,010 They've realised this was such a natural person, 242 00:16:00,030 --> 00:16:04,030 there wasn't... She wasn't trying to be anything other than herself. 243 00:16:07,090 --> 00:16:09,120 Her ability to go up to people 244 00:16:09,140 --> 00:16:12,110 and put her hand out and just touch them 245 00:16:12,130 --> 00:16:15,160 was, I think, you know, sort of remembering it now, 246 00:16:15,180 --> 00:16:17,180 it was very moving. 247 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,210 That immediate warmth was always there for whoever she met. 248 00:16:23,230 --> 00:16:27,160 It didn't matter where you came from, what you did, she could talk to you. 249 00:16:27,180 --> 00:16:31,130 Erm, and I think she generally just had a real... 250 00:16:31,150 --> 00:16:34,020 a real ability to connect very quickly. 251 00:16:38,050 --> 00:16:40,200 Home for Prince William and Prince Harry 252 00:16:40,220 --> 00:16:43,130 is Kensington Palace, where they grew up. 253 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,150 It's always been a haven, a place where their mother 254 00:16:49,170 --> 00:16:52,210 tried to carve out an ordinary family life for them. 255 00:16:55,190 --> 00:16:58,160 My mother cherished those moments of... 256 00:16:58,180 --> 00:17:01,060 of privacy and being able to be that mother 257 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,240 rather than the Princess of Wales. 258 00:17:04,010 --> 00:17:06,190 She made the decision that no matter what, 259 00:17:06,210 --> 00:17:09,160 despite all the difficulties of growing up 260 00:17:09,180 --> 00:17:11,200 in that limelight and on that stage, 261 00:17:11,220 --> 00:17:14,150 she was going to ensure that both of us 262 00:17:14,170 --> 00:17:17,110 had as normal a life as possible. 263 00:17:17,130 --> 00:17:21,150 And if that means taking us for a burger every now and then 264 00:17:21,170 --> 00:17:25,060 or sneaking us into the cinema or driving through the country lanes 265 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,120 with the roof down of her old-school BMW, 266 00:17:27,140 --> 00:17:31,040 listening to Enya, I think it was - God, a blast from the past... 267 00:17:31,060 --> 00:17:33,060 # ENYA: Orinoco Flow 268 00:17:37,090 --> 00:17:40,110 All of that was... was part of her being a mum. 269 00:17:43,220 --> 00:17:46,050 WILLIAM: She was very informal and 270 00:17:46,070 --> 00:17:49,060 really enjoyed the laughter and the fun. 271 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:53,180 But she understood that there was a real life outside of Palace walls, 272 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,090 and she wanted us to see it from a very young age 273 00:17:56,110 --> 00:18:00,110 and really understood some of the real problems in life that, 274 00:18:00,130 --> 00:18:02,110 you know, can pass you by very easily, 275 00:18:02,130 --> 00:18:06,000 particularly in this situation, if you don't go looking for it. 276 00:18:15,020 --> 00:18:17,100 WILLIAM: Can I grab a seat here? Is that all right? 277 00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:19,210 How you doing? (LAUGHING) What's your name? David? 278 00:18:19,230 --> 00:18:22,130 A homeless shelter 279 00:18:22,150 --> 00:18:26,030 isn't where you'd imagine a member of the royal family might hang out. 280 00:18:27,130 --> 00:18:30,240 But The Passage, London's biggest homeless centre, 281 00:18:31,010 --> 00:18:34,220 is a place where Prince William feels very much at home. 282 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:38,020 MAN: How's George? Very well. He is growing fast. Yeah. 283 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,170 And his tummy and his shoulders have got so big 284 00:18:40,190 --> 00:18:44,080 that we've had to, like, quickly re-tailor his outfits. (LAUGHS) 285 00:18:44,100 --> 00:18:47,080 He's growing at a rate of knots. He's gonna be...he's gonna be 286 00:18:47,100 --> 00:18:50,050 quite a big boy, I think, like his father. Yeah. 287 00:18:50,070 --> 00:18:52,140 Prince William has been visiting The Passage 288 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,080 since he was a boy. 289 00:18:54,100 --> 00:18:57,100 His mother first brought him here when he was only 12. 290 00:18:57,120 --> 00:19:00,020 I was quite nervous about that at the time. 291 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,110 But I just enjoyed meeting these people 292 00:19:02,130 --> 00:19:04,100 who had incredible stories and 293 00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:07,140 who clearly had had a very, very tough time. 294 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:12,020 My interest in homelessness has come from that, that one encounter. 295 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,030 That's fantastic, Brian. Look at that. That's awesome. 296 00:19:15,050 --> 00:19:17,200 Do you find the drawing and the art sort of help? 297 00:19:17,220 --> 00:19:20,020 Yeah, it helps with the depression, William. 298 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:21,210 I suffer from depression. Right. 299 00:19:21,230 --> 00:19:25,120 I lost my wife last year. I'm sorry to hear that. 300 00:19:25,140 --> 00:19:28,220 The times that I've seen him, I could just picture 301 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,190 going to the local pub and just having a pint with him. 302 00:19:31,210 --> 00:19:33,190 He's not afraid to get his hands dirty, 303 00:19:33,210 --> 00:19:37,030 which... I think that's just like his...his mother. 304 00:19:37,050 --> 00:19:41,210 She was a soldier for... for the royal family. 305 00:19:46,130 --> 00:19:49,160 Homelessness was one of the first social issues 306 00:19:49,180 --> 00:19:51,220 which the Princess of Wales embraced. 307 00:19:55,050 --> 00:19:58,140 She ventured into some of London's roughest neighbourhoods 308 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,200 to discover what life was really like out on the streets. 309 00:20:03,130 --> 00:20:06,180 She woke me up. I love her. (LAUGHS) 310 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,040 MAN: She said, "Oh, I see you're dressed specially for me, sort of thing." 311 00:20:10,060 --> 00:20:12,020 And I just cracked a joke, saying, 312 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,200 "My Savile Row suit's in the cleaner's at the moment." 313 00:20:14,220 --> 00:20:16,080 (APPLAUSE) 314 00:20:16,100 --> 00:20:20,050 Victor Adebowale was the Chief Executive of Centrepoint, 315 00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:22,240 Britain's biggest homeless charity. 316 00:20:23,010 --> 00:20:25,100 He worked side by side with Diana 317 00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:28,110 to raise awareness of the plight of the homeless. 318 00:20:28,130 --> 00:20:32,050 VICTOR: She took it to heart that it was wrong that this was happening 319 00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:35,130 in what was a very wealthy society. 320 00:20:35,150 --> 00:20:38,240 And she talked to me about it, you know, she felt that it was wrong, 321 00:20:39,010 --> 00:20:41,080 that it was, you know, deeply immoral. 322 00:20:42,170 --> 00:20:45,060 The Princess went into battle. 323 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,080 She made a hard-hitting speech about homelessness 324 00:20:48,100 --> 00:20:50,240 which landed her in political hot water. 325 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:57,160 I am appalled at the dangers young people face on the streets 326 00:20:57,180 --> 00:21:01,020 and how vulnerable they are to exploitation. 327 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,090 Coming against a backdrop of budget cuts, 328 00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:08,080 her speech was seen as an attack on the government. 329 00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:14,020 The Princess really is a rather headstrong and wilful young lady, 330 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:18,040 charming and delightful as she is in other ways, and... 331 00:21:18,060 --> 00:21:21,020 The speech that she gave about youth homelessness 332 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,000 made its way onto the floor of the Houses of Parliament, 333 00:21:24,020 --> 00:21:26,080 and, you know, we were accused of politicising 334 00:21:26,100 --> 00:21:28,060 the royal family as a result. (LAUGHS) 335 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,090 So...I thought she was brave 336 00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:34,240 in a...in a quiet but resolute way. I do. 337 00:21:35,010 --> 00:21:37,070 I mean, she could have dropped us at any time. 338 00:21:37,090 --> 00:21:41,110 You know, too hot to handle, this is an issue that's quite difficult. 339 00:21:41,130 --> 00:21:45,060 That's how the world changes. People stand up for what they believe in. 340 00:21:46,100 --> 00:21:49,010 HARRY: I think it was hard for her. I think it was a real... 341 00:21:49,030 --> 00:21:52,070 a real strain of the public role quite often, 342 00:21:52,090 --> 00:21:54,180 erm, having to do the stuff that she was doing, 343 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,020 involved with a certain... the charities that she was involved with. 344 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,160 You need respite, you need somewhere to, you know, 345 00:22:00,180 --> 00:22:02,170 to go and dump it. 346 00:22:09,150 --> 00:22:13,140 WILLIAM: There was always a sense of enthusiasm and energy around her, 347 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,160 and a lot of warmth as well. There was always that sort of 348 00:22:16,180 --> 00:22:19,060 bubbling personality going on the whole time. 349 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,130 I think she lived a lot of her life, especially in private, through us. 350 00:22:23,150 --> 00:22:26,060 And I think that sort of 351 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,040 childish, fun element 352 00:22:29,060 --> 00:22:31,210 really came out when she was spending time with us. 353 00:22:39,020 --> 00:22:42,170 Our mother was a total kid through and through. 354 00:22:42,190 --> 00:22:45,090 When everybody says to me, you know, 355 00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:47,210 "So, she was fun? Give us an example," 356 00:22:47,230 --> 00:22:51,020 all I can hear is her laugh in my head. 357 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:55,170 And that sort of crazy laugh of where there was just 358 00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:58,090 pure happiness shown on her face. 359 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,110 One of her mottos, to me, was, 360 00:23:05,130 --> 00:23:09,040 "You can be as naughty as you want, just don't get caught." 361 00:23:09,060 --> 00:23:11,040 She was one of the naughtiest parents. 362 00:23:11,060 --> 00:23:13,050 She would come and watch us play football 363 00:23:13,070 --> 00:23:15,080 and, you know, smuggle sweets into our socks. 364 00:23:15,100 --> 00:23:18,160 And, I mean, like, literally walking back from a football match 365 00:23:18,180 --> 00:23:22,080 and having, sort of, five packets of Starburst... 366 00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:24,240 And just the whole shirt was just bulging with sweets, 367 00:23:25,010 --> 00:23:26,160 and then sort of looking around, 368 00:23:26,180 --> 00:23:29,130 open the tuck box, throw it all in, lock it up. 369 00:23:29,150 --> 00:23:31,170 She was a massive card-writer. 370 00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:33,240 She loved the rudest cards you could imagine. 371 00:23:34,010 --> 00:23:36,240 And I would be at school and I'd get a card from my mother. 372 00:23:37,010 --> 00:23:39,210 Usually she found something, you know, very embarrassing, 373 00:23:39,230 --> 00:23:42,010 you know, a very funny card, 374 00:23:42,030 --> 00:23:44,110 and then, sort of, wrote very nice stuff inside. 375 00:23:44,130 --> 00:23:46,150 But I dared not open it in case the teachers 376 00:23:46,170 --> 00:23:48,160 or anyone else in the class had seen it. 377 00:23:48,180 --> 00:23:50,180 # GEORGE MICHAEL: Freedom '90 378 00:23:52,020 --> 00:23:55,070 There's a couple of memories I have that are particularly funny. 379 00:23:55,090 --> 00:23:57,180 Just outside this room where we are now, erm, 380 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,230 she organised, when I came home from school, 381 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,000 to have Cindy Crawford, Christy Turlington and Naomi Campbell 382 00:24:03,020 --> 00:24:04,200 waiting at the top of the stairs. 383 00:24:04,220 --> 00:24:07,060 I was probably a 12- or 13-year-old boy 384 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,120 who had posters of them on his wall. 385 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,100 And I went bright red and didn't quite know what to say 386 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:17,120 and sort of fumbled, and I think I pretty much fell down the stairs on the way up. 387 00:24:17,140 --> 00:24:19,200 I was completely and utterly sort of awestruck. 388 00:24:19,220 --> 00:24:22,220 But that was a very funny memory that's lived with me for ever 389 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,080 about her loving and embarrassing and sort of, you know, being, 390 00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:28,110 being the sort of...er, the joker. 391 00:24:29,130 --> 00:24:32,220 A sense of humour was a vital release for Diana 392 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,210 as she began to embrace some of the most controversial issues of the day. 393 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,160 MAN: There is now a danger that has become a threat to us all. 394 00:24:46,180 --> 00:24:51,010 By the 1980s, the world was in the grip of a terrible epidemic. 395 00:24:52,140 --> 00:24:55,190 The gay community had been devastated by AIDS... 396 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,240 ..but tabloid newspapers ignored their suffering, 397 00:25:00,010 --> 00:25:03,220 and instead accused them of spreading the disease. 398 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,190 Their headlines stirred up a storm of prejudice. 399 00:25:07,210 --> 00:25:12,070 As a young gay man, Ian Walker endured years of discrimination. 400 00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:15,130 IAN: People were terrified of catching HIV. 401 00:25:15,150 --> 00:25:18,240 And a lot of people would talk about the day that they were diagnosed 402 00:25:19,010 --> 00:25:21,060 as the day that people stopped touching them, 403 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,130 that from then on it was rubber gloves and masks and gowns. 404 00:25:24,150 --> 00:25:27,080 And you heard stories of people going to the dentist 405 00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:30,210 and people were, like, dressed up in a space suit to deal with them. 406 00:25:33,130 --> 00:25:35,210 At a time when the fear of physical contact 407 00:25:35,230 --> 00:25:38,060 with AIDS sufferers was at its height, 408 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,040 the Princess visited the Middlesex Hospital. 409 00:25:42,130 --> 00:25:45,100 It housed the only AIDS unit in the UK. 410 00:25:47,170 --> 00:25:50,020 ANNE: She just walked into that room, 411 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,230 and there was a gentleman, 412 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,200 and did what she would normally do to 413 00:25:55,220 --> 00:26:01,050 anybody else she was meeting - she just shook him by the hand. 414 00:26:03,130 --> 00:26:06,150 And that picture went viral, 415 00:26:06,170 --> 00:26:09,000 erm, around...around the world. 416 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:16,150 That was very powerful, that she made that contact. 417 00:26:16,170 --> 00:26:19,150 She just smashed all of that fear down by... 418 00:26:19,170 --> 00:26:22,030 (STAMMERS) ..that one, that one handshake. 419 00:26:25,070 --> 00:26:30,010 The London Lighthouse was at the heart of the AIDS epidemic in Britain. 420 00:26:30,030 --> 00:26:33,020 It provided care for the sick and the dying. 421 00:26:34,090 --> 00:26:37,210 I was an occupational therapist at the London Lighthouse, 422 00:26:37,230 --> 00:26:40,120 and the deaths were just relentless. 423 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,000 You'd go home at night... 424 00:26:46,060 --> 00:26:49,110 ..and you weren't sure who was gonna be there the next day. 425 00:26:52,020 --> 00:26:54,130 The Princess became the London Lighthouse's 426 00:26:54,150 --> 00:26:58,160 greatest champion, publicly supporting the charity, 427 00:26:58,180 --> 00:27:03,100 but also regularly visiting patients, often in her own time. 428 00:27:04,130 --> 00:27:08,120 When she came in, it was like she was shining, 429 00:27:08,140 --> 00:27:13,160 that smile. It just beamed when she smiled. She beamed. 430 00:27:13,180 --> 00:27:15,190 Erm, I sound like a sycophant, 431 00:27:15,210 --> 00:27:17,200 but, you know, that's how it was. 432 00:27:17,220 --> 00:27:19,200 Erm, and, er, 433 00:27:19,220 --> 00:27:24,200 erm, and I'm not... I'm not a royal person, really, I'm a republican, 434 00:27:24,220 --> 00:27:28,070 but, erm, she was an exception. 435 00:27:33,090 --> 00:27:35,220 How are you? How are you? Good to see you. 436 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,050 How are you? Nice to see you. Nice to meet you. 437 00:27:39,070 --> 00:27:41,200 Sir Elton John was a friend of Diana's, 438 00:27:41,220 --> 00:27:44,160 and, like her, a committed AIDS activist. 439 00:27:46,170 --> 00:27:49,180 Would she come here unannounced? Yeah, yeah. For sure. 440 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,220 Prince Harry is joining him at the London Lighthouse 441 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,210 to hear more about his mother's work. 442 00:27:56,010 --> 00:28:00,060 It was considered to be a gay disease, and for someone 443 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,060 who was within the royal family, and who was a woman, 444 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,160 and who was straight, to have someone care from the other side 445 00:28:07,180 --> 00:28:09,130 was an incredible gift. 446 00:28:09,150 --> 00:28:11,170 You can see it, you can see it in the face. 447 00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:14,110 When you look back to these days when actually 448 00:28:14,130 --> 00:28:17,060 the reality was doom and gloom... Yeah. 449 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,240 Absolutely. The reality then was doom and gloom, 450 00:28:20,010 --> 00:28:23,160 yet everybody in that photograph is smiling. Because of her. 451 00:28:23,180 --> 00:28:26,100 Yeah. Yeah. She had an energy. She radiated. 452 00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:29,240 Look at her face in every photograph. There's a positive, wonderful glow. 453 00:28:30,010 --> 00:28:31,220 Also, she had this incredible ability - 454 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,060 which he kind of inherited, and I told him that, 455 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,190 and he said, "Thanks very much" - to make people feel at ease 456 00:28:37,210 --> 00:28:40,150 and make them feel that everything's gonna be all right. 457 00:28:40,170 --> 00:28:44,060 I haven't experienced many people in my life who have that ability, 458 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,070 but she could walk into a room of people 459 00:28:46,090 --> 00:28:49,050 and make them feel as if everything was great. 460 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,080 It's World AIDS day, and Prince Harry is in Barbados. 461 00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:06,030 He's encouraging people to take a blood test. 462 00:29:06,050 --> 00:29:08,150 It's the best way to stop the spread of AIDS. 463 00:29:08,170 --> 00:29:11,080 All right. I'll just take a little bit more from you. 464 00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:13,210 Don't take it all. No, not going to take it all. 465 00:29:13,230 --> 00:29:15,210 Prince Harry has brought along a friend 466 00:29:15,230 --> 00:29:17,230 to help spread the word. 467 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,130 She's one of the most famous women on the planet. 468 00:29:20,150 --> 00:29:23,090 Welcome, Rihanna, thanks for taking part. Of course. 469 00:29:25,060 --> 00:29:27,200 HARRY: There was an opportunity there to get Rihanna, 470 00:29:27,220 --> 00:29:32,010 who has got, you know, over 60 million followers on Instagram alone. 471 00:29:32,030 --> 00:29:35,090 And to be able to get someone in her position 472 00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:40,200 who has lost quite a few friends to AIDS, I think, is...it's fantastic. 473 00:29:40,220 --> 00:29:47,000 (LAUGHING) You really made it seem like it hurt. It's a pinprick. 474 00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:52,100 I just think it's incredible what he's doing to bring awareness to HIV and AIDS, 475 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,130 and I think the most important thing is to, kind of, 476 00:29:55,150 --> 00:29:58,190 dilute the stigma, um, as much as possible. 477 00:29:58,210 --> 00:30:02,040 Um, I think that's the thing that's crippling the most. 478 00:30:04,220 --> 00:30:07,170 My mother was a role model. She was someone 479 00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:10,140 who at an incredibly young age would put her passion 480 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,110 behind something that she genuinely believed in. 481 00:30:13,130 --> 00:30:15,150 And I think that's fantastic. Good for her 482 00:30:15,170 --> 00:30:17,140 and...and thank God for her. 483 00:30:35,060 --> 00:30:37,060 JAYNE: I'd worked with Charles and Diana 484 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,130 for many, many years, photographing them. 485 00:30:40,150 --> 00:30:41,230 (CAMERA CLICKS) 486 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,110 You know, when you work with them all those years 487 00:30:44,130 --> 00:30:47,070 and you watch every little thing that goes on, 488 00:30:47,090 --> 00:30:49,150 you know, you become part of it all. 489 00:30:49,170 --> 00:30:52,090 You can't help but feel affection towards them. 490 00:30:52,110 --> 00:30:55,020 And, you know, you want them to be happy. 491 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,100 The newspapers had been writing a lot of stories, 492 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,080 negative stories about the marriage. 493 00:31:04,100 --> 00:31:07,180 And personally, I tried to ignore it because I didn't... 494 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,010 I didn't want to read them and I didn't want to believe it. 495 00:31:11,030 --> 00:31:12,180 So I pooh-poohed it a bit. 496 00:31:14,090 --> 00:31:17,180 The penny didn't really drop for me until we went to Korea. 497 00:31:21,210 --> 00:31:24,150 She looked wretched, he looked wretched, 498 00:31:24,170 --> 00:31:29,000 and I thought, finally, "Hmm, something's going on here." 499 00:31:29,020 --> 00:31:31,150 It's very evident when you look at the pictures that 500 00:31:31,170 --> 00:31:34,160 they look distanced from each other, even to the point where 501 00:31:34,180 --> 00:31:38,140 they're walking down a staircase, both walking down a separate set of stairs, 502 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,080 and there's a wall in the middle, 503 00:31:40,100 --> 00:31:43,060 and it kind of sums up what was going on at that point. 504 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,110 It wasn't a very happy tour. 505 00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:52,010 HARRY HERBERT: That was a bad time for Diana. 506 00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:55,240 You know, the light had gone out, if you like. 507 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,170 One person who was deeply concerned 508 00:32:01,190 --> 00:32:03,210 was the Princess' mother-in-law. 509 00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:09,230 I had a talk to the Queen about it at Balmoral. 510 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,220 The Queen wanted to talk to me about it because 511 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,060 she was so worried, she was so...so, you know, 512 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,060 worried about...worried about Diana. 513 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:24,040 After a lunch at Balmoral and going up high and looking down 514 00:32:24,060 --> 00:32:29,000 onto this beautiful setting of heather and castle, 515 00:32:29,020 --> 00:32:32,010 and an incredibly, 516 00:32:32,030 --> 00:32:36,080 you know, important chat, a very personal, personal chat. 517 00:32:37,150 --> 00:32:41,060 And the Queen wanted to know - how was Diana feeling, 518 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:45,100 and was it as bad as... as it was? 519 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,060 And it was a sad discussion, a sad... 520 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,170 a sad, you know, a sad moment, really, 521 00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:56,180 because that was everything at its worst. 522 00:33:01,110 --> 00:33:05,000 I remember going to see Diana in Kensington Palace when... 523 00:33:05,020 --> 00:33:08,050 when things weren't particularly easy, 524 00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:11,150 you know, in, you know, in her married life. 525 00:33:11,170 --> 00:33:14,030 She was, you know, very emotional. 526 00:33:15,210 --> 00:33:18,140 And suddenly these two boys 527 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,130 came thundering around the corner in their dressing-gowns. 528 00:33:21,150 --> 00:33:27,070 This was before bed. (LAUGHS) And just watching her face light up, 529 00:33:27,090 --> 00:33:29,160 going from sad chat 530 00:33:29,180 --> 00:33:32,000 to suddenly... (MIMICS EXPLOSION) 531 00:33:32,020 --> 00:33:37,010 You know, I'll never forget that moment, and them, you know, 532 00:33:37,030 --> 00:33:39,230 crawling all over her and things flying everywhere, 533 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,110 and through all the difficulty of other stuff at that time... 534 00:33:45,180 --> 00:33:49,170 ..you could see it was the most important thing in her life, were her boys. 535 00:33:53,220 --> 00:33:56,070 JOHN MAJOR: It is announced from Buckingham Palace 536 00:33:56,090 --> 00:33:59,000 that, with regret, the Prince and Princess of Wales 537 00:33:59,020 --> 00:34:02,170 have decided to separate. Their Royal Highnesses have no plans... 538 00:34:02,190 --> 00:34:05,020 There was the point of where our parents split, 539 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,190 and the two of us were bouncing between the two of them and... 540 00:34:08,210 --> 00:34:13,070 and we probably didn't, we never saw our mother enough or we never saw our father enough. 541 00:34:14,130 --> 00:34:17,090 You know, there was a lot... there was a lot of travelling 542 00:34:17,110 --> 00:34:22,130 and a lot of, you know, fights on the back seat with my brother, which I would win. 543 00:34:22,150 --> 00:34:25,020 So it was... There was all of that to contend with. 544 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,220 And I don't pretend that we're the only people to have to deal with that. 545 00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:31,150 But, erm, it was, it was an interesting way of growing up. 546 00:34:38,070 --> 00:34:41,210 Privacy had been hard to come by as a member of the royal family. 547 00:34:43,210 --> 00:34:46,000 But following her separation, 548 00:34:46,020 --> 00:34:49,240 media obsession with the Princess reached fever pitch. 549 00:34:54,030 --> 00:34:55,240 JAYNE: I remember one particular trip. 550 00:34:56,010 --> 00:35:00,120 We were in Lech in Austria. And the deal was that 551 00:35:00,140 --> 00:35:04,070 the Palace would arrange for us to have a photo call on the first day. 552 00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:09,220 And the understanding was that then, 553 00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:13,220 "OK, let them then ski off and have a lovely holiday." 554 00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:16,100 And this particular day, we'd had our photo call, 555 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,100 so, you know, you shouldn't have been out with your camera any more. 556 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,130 And Diana came out with the boys 557 00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:26,010 and they tried to go through the town to the sweetshop. 558 00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:29,030 And the photographers were just, like, running everywhere. 559 00:35:29,050 --> 00:35:31,070 It was like rats running everywhere. 560 00:35:33,150 --> 00:35:36,140 They all wanted to be in their face, right up to them, 561 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,090 pushing and shoving, they were fighting with each other, 562 00:35:39,110 --> 00:35:43,050 photographers were falling over, and the boys were frightened. 563 00:35:43,070 --> 00:35:46,000 And I was in the shop when she came into the shop and... 564 00:35:46,020 --> 00:35:48,210 it was like she was sort of, you know, exasperated by it. 565 00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:51,170 "What are they doing?" You know, "Why are they doing this? 566 00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:54,190 You know, I've kept my part of the deal, we did our photo call. 567 00:35:54,210 --> 00:35:57,050 Why are they all doing this?" You know, she said, 568 00:35:57,070 --> 00:35:59,230 "You know, I don't want the boys upset like this." 569 00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:07,040 Excuse me. 570 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,150 As a parent, 571 00:36:10,170 --> 00:36:13,180 could I ask you to respect my children's space? 572 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,170 Because I've brought the children out here for a holiday... 573 00:36:16,190 --> 00:36:19,110 MAN: Right. ..and we'd really appreciate the space. 574 00:36:19,130 --> 00:36:22,010 Would it be possible to just get a picture of...? 575 00:36:22,030 --> 00:36:25,010 DIANA: No. No. Then I'll leave you alone. 576 00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:28,010 As a parent, I want to protect the children. Right. 577 00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:35,020 WILLIAM: Back then, 20 years ago, people would be utterly appalled 578 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,070 if they knew exactly what went on. 579 00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:43,230 I think it was an industry that lost its way quite heavily, 580 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,220 lost its sense of decency, 581 00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:49,090 lost its perspective on what was appropriate. 582 00:36:58,090 --> 00:37:01,160 If you are the Princess of Wales and you're a mother, 583 00:37:01,180 --> 00:37:04,030 I don't believe being chased by 30 guys on motorbikes 584 00:37:04,050 --> 00:37:07,240 who block your path, who spit at you, who shout at you, 585 00:37:08,010 --> 00:37:11,190 and who react really badly to get a reaction from you, 586 00:37:11,210 --> 00:37:15,040 and make a woman cry in public to get the photographs, 587 00:37:15,060 --> 00:37:17,170 I don't believe that is appropriate. 588 00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:21,210 I sadly remember most of the time that she ever cried about anything 589 00:37:21,230 --> 00:37:23,180 was to do with press intrusion. 590 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,080 (PRESS CLAMOURING) 591 00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:28,100 MAN: Out. 592 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,220 Out, out. O-U-T, out. 593 00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:34,030 Have a nice trip, then. 594 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,210 Harry and I, you know, we lived through that. 595 00:37:37,230 --> 00:37:41,040 And one lesson I've learnt is you never let them in too far 596 00:37:41,060 --> 00:37:44,070 because it's very difficult to get them back out again. 597 00:37:44,090 --> 00:37:47,080 And, erm, you've gotta maintain 598 00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:49,140 er, a barrier and a boundary, 599 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,080 er, because if you cross it, if both sides cross it, 600 00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:55,150 erm, a lot of pain and problems can come from it. 601 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:09,020 In August 1996, after 15 years of marriage, 602 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,190 the Prince and Princess of Wales divorced. 603 00:38:14,050 --> 00:38:17,080 Diana was free to shape a new life for herself. 604 00:38:24,070 --> 00:38:26,140 ANNE: Once the divorce had come through, 605 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,140 the few times I saw her 606 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,220 she seemed to be in a better place. 607 00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:33,040 Erm, I think she was happier. 608 00:38:35,090 --> 00:38:38,200 Once she was no longer a member of the royal family, 609 00:38:38,220 --> 00:38:41,070 she, I think, just felt a sense of freedom. 610 00:38:41,090 --> 00:38:43,090 (APPLAUSE) 611 00:38:43,110 --> 00:38:46,020 She was a very, very attractive woman. 612 00:38:47,110 --> 00:38:49,200 And she really loved looking good. 613 00:38:53,220 --> 00:38:57,190 She was as free as a bird, and I think she looked rather amazing. 614 00:39:02,140 --> 00:39:05,120 WILLIAM: My mother loved her fashion, she loved her clothes, 615 00:39:05,140 --> 00:39:07,160 but she wasn't a slave to it. 616 00:39:07,180 --> 00:39:10,030 I remember walking around her cupboards and just... 617 00:39:10,050 --> 00:39:12,200 There were just so many dresses and so many clothes, 618 00:39:12,220 --> 00:39:16,000 and she got so fed up with all these clothes in her cupboards. 619 00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:18,150 And I said, "Why don't you give these clothes away? 620 00:39:18,170 --> 00:39:21,000 Why don't you do something charitable with it?" 621 00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:25,110 AUCTIONEER: How much for this? £19,000 here. 622 00:39:25,130 --> 00:39:27,200 Gentleman in the gallery at £19,000 bid here. 623 00:39:27,220 --> 00:39:30,240 Diana auctioned off dozens of her dresses... 624 00:39:31,010 --> 00:39:32,070 £25,000. 625 00:39:32,090 --> 00:39:35,210 ..raising millions of dollars for AIDS and cancer charities. 626 00:39:35,230 --> 00:39:38,030 And £30,000. 627 00:39:38,050 --> 00:39:40,020 £175,000. 628 00:39:42,090 --> 00:39:45,060 I knew she was going to say that. £200,000. 629 00:39:49,130 --> 00:39:51,190 And I remember her showing me the catalogue 630 00:39:51,210 --> 00:39:54,240 and everything else about it and saying, "This was your idea." 631 00:39:55,010 --> 00:39:57,090 I was like, "Well, I had a good idea." (LAUGHS) 632 00:39:57,110 --> 00:39:59,210 So, erm, it was nice to see it come to fruition. 633 00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:03,010 The sale of her dresses 634 00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:05,230 marked a new chapter in the Princess' life. 635 00:40:07,130 --> 00:40:11,150 From now on, she would force the press to focus on what she did 636 00:40:11,170 --> 00:40:13,200 and not on what she wore. 637 00:40:13,220 --> 00:40:17,160 HARRY: She put her name, and put her image, and put her passion and energy 638 00:40:17,180 --> 00:40:19,240 into something that she genuinely believed in. 639 00:40:20,010 --> 00:40:22,140 And she knew that by doing that 640 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,210 it was going to have a ripple effect across the whole world. 641 00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:43,010 In August 1997, 642 00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:47,130 only three weeks before she died, Diana arrived in Bosnia. 643 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,170 The country had been torn apart by a brutal civil war. 644 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,090 With a million landmines still lurking underground, 645 00:41:00,110 --> 00:41:03,020 it was one of the most dangerous places on Earth. 646 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,090 Diana's guides in Bosnia were two committed landmine activists. 647 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,030 JERRY: The willingness to take such a crazy risk 648 00:41:14,050 --> 00:41:17,160 on these two American, you know, legless cowboys - 649 00:41:17,180 --> 00:41:20,030 we have one leg between both of us - 650 00:41:20,050 --> 00:41:24,070 who didn't have, you know, two shekels to rub together in Bosnia... 651 00:41:24,090 --> 00:41:26,160 I wouldn't have recommended that she go with us. 652 00:41:27,230 --> 00:41:29,150 But she chose it. 653 00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:35,130 I wasn't to tell anyone about the upcoming visit to Bosnia, 654 00:41:35,150 --> 00:41:38,230 not even the Embassy, not even the ambassadors. No-one would know. 655 00:41:41,010 --> 00:41:44,060 KEN: It was not an easy trip. It was rigorous. 656 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,020 It was in a depressing environment in the post-conflict area of Bosnia. 657 00:41:49,110 --> 00:41:53,080 And she was, morning to night, visiting survivors. 658 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,150 Most people want to get away from pain, 659 00:41:58,170 --> 00:42:03,010 they can't listen to pain, they can't be fully present in the presence of pain, 660 00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:05,040 and the Princess of Wales could be there. 661 00:42:06,220 --> 00:42:08,140 While she was in Bosnia, 662 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,160 Diana met some of the younger victims of the conflict, 663 00:42:11,180 --> 00:42:13,200 like 12-year-old Zarko, 664 00:42:13,220 --> 00:42:17,030 who'd lost his leg after stepping on a landmine. 665 00:42:17,050 --> 00:42:21,040 They keep me on my toes. They are quite naughty. 666 00:42:21,090 --> 00:42:23,090 (SPEAKING OWN LANGUAGE) 667 00:42:52,060 --> 00:42:55,090 Malic was 15 when he met Diana. 668 00:42:55,110 --> 00:42:58,130 He'd also lost his leg after stepping on a landmine. 669 00:43:01,180 --> 00:43:03,230 (SPEAKING OWN LANGUAGE) 670 00:44:16,110 --> 00:44:19,190 Diana's Bosnian visit was part of a wider campaign. 671 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,030 Behind the scenes, she was pushing for a global landmine ban. 672 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:30,120 About a month ago, I found a whole series of letters, 673 00:44:30,140 --> 00:44:34,020 er, letters that she was supposed to top and tail 674 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:38,050 that were, er, dated 31st August. They were sitting on her desk here. 675 00:44:39,210 --> 00:44:41,210 She knew exactly what needed to be done. 676 00:44:41,230 --> 00:44:44,070 She was writing letters to certain people to say, 677 00:44:44,090 --> 00:44:48,230 "Right, this is what needs to happen in order for this whole, sort of, tidal wave to change." 678 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,000 And it's only recently, over the years, 679 00:44:51,020 --> 00:44:53,000 that I've actually really understood 680 00:44:53,020 --> 00:44:55,060 the effect that she was having in those areas, 681 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,120 and on an international scale as well. 682 00:44:59,050 --> 00:45:01,220 Three months after Diana's visit to Bosnia, 683 00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:06,210 an international treaty was signed outlawing landmines. 684 00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:09,200 It was perhaps her greatest achievement. 685 00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:13,240 She had the ability to literally change 686 00:45:14,010 --> 00:45:17,000 a mindset of millions upon millions of people. 687 00:45:23,070 --> 00:45:25,210 (MAN LAUGHS) Hi, guys. MAN: It's a leprechaun. 688 00:45:25,230 --> 00:45:29,090 (LAUGHING) You look like naughty schoolchildren. 689 00:45:29,110 --> 00:45:32,180 Hi. Ken Redford. Nice to meet you. Very nice to meet you. 690 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:37,040 Prince Harry has invited Ken, Jerry, Zarko and Malic 691 00:45:37,060 --> 00:45:41,200 to Kensington Palace to share their memories of Diana's Bosnian visit. 692 00:45:41,220 --> 00:45:45,240 So, you guys... I mean, this was, this was it, 20 years ago. 693 00:45:46,010 --> 00:45:48,140 This is a reunion. You both still look the same... 694 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,130 (ALL LAUGHING) ..ish. 695 00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:53,210 You maybe have a little bit less hair. 696 00:45:53,230 --> 00:45:56,190 You guys were the...almost the last people to see my mother. 697 00:45:56,210 --> 00:45:59,170 Well, you saw my mother more recently than I did, I guess. 698 00:45:59,190 --> 00:46:02,100 Was it quite strange for the two of you to have a... 699 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,230 to have a Princess like that come and... 700 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,050 to come and show an interest in your lives 701 00:46:07,070 --> 00:46:11,080 and...and...and within Bosnia, the landmine issue? 702 00:46:11,100 --> 00:46:13,190 (SPEAKING OWN LANGUAGE) 703 00:46:13,210 --> 00:46:17,140 She was the only light at the end of the tunnel for us. 704 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:25,220 TRANSLATOR: I remember her sentence, er, before she left. 705 00:46:27,140 --> 00:46:32,000 She said, "You are not going to be forgotten." 706 00:46:32,020 --> 00:46:35,080 Mm. And that was important to him. 707 00:46:35,100 --> 00:46:37,160 And that stuck in your head for ever? 708 00:46:37,180 --> 00:46:39,230 (TRANSLATES) 709 00:46:42,110 --> 00:46:46,080 Whenever I had hard times, I remember that sentence. 710 00:46:48,220 --> 00:46:52,040 On the 20th anniversary of Diana's visit to Bosnia, 711 00:46:52,060 --> 00:46:56,010 Prince Harry is finishing the work his mother began. 712 00:46:56,030 --> 00:47:01,060 He's launching a new campaign to destroy every remaining landmine. 713 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:05,030 The attention my mother brought to this issue wasn't about politics, 714 00:47:05,050 --> 00:47:06,240 it was about people. 715 00:47:07,010 --> 00:47:09,180 When my mother said goodbye to Zarko that August, 716 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,100 just weeks before her untimely death... 717 00:47:13,220 --> 00:47:17,010 ..she told him he would not be forgotten. 718 00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:22,070 Please help me keep her word to Zarko and Malic, 719 00:47:22,090 --> 00:47:25,080 and other people like them throughout the world, 720 00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:29,080 who still need us to finish the job. Thank you. 721 00:47:52,060 --> 00:47:54,240 During August 1997, 722 00:47:55,010 --> 00:47:56,240 Prince William and Prince Harry 723 00:47:57,010 --> 00:47:59,130 were enjoying summer in the Scottish highlands. 724 00:48:02,230 --> 00:48:06,140 While their mother was away, she constantly kept in touch. 725 00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:12,240 WILLIAM: Her very last memory that I have is a phone call at Balmoral. 726 00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:18,050 At the time, Harry and I were running around, minding our own business, 727 00:48:18,070 --> 00:48:20,200 playing with our cousins and having a very good time. 728 00:48:20,220 --> 00:48:24,080 As a kid, I never enjoyed speaking to my parents on the phone, 729 00:48:24,100 --> 00:48:27,040 erm, and we spent far too much time speaking on the phone 730 00:48:27,060 --> 00:48:29,050 rather than speaking to each other, 731 00:48:29,070 --> 00:48:31,110 because of just the way the situation was. 732 00:48:31,130 --> 00:48:35,190 And the phone rang, and off he went to go and speak to her, sort of, for five minutes. 733 00:48:35,210 --> 00:48:39,030 I think Harry and I were just in a desperate rush to say goodbye, 734 00:48:39,050 --> 00:48:41,200 you know, "See you later," and we're gonna go off, and... 735 00:48:41,220 --> 00:48:44,060 if I'd known now, obviously, what was gonna happen, 736 00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,060 I wouldn't have been so blase about it and everything else. 737 00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:51,140 But, erm, that phone call sticks in my mind quite, quite heavily. 738 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,180 MAN: Do you remember what she said? I do. I do. 739 00:48:57,220 --> 00:49:00,100 And then "Harry, Harry, Mummy's on the phone." 740 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,200 Right, my turn, off I go, you know, pick up the phone and... 741 00:49:03,220 --> 00:49:07,080 and, you know, and it was... and it was her speaking from... from Paris. 742 00:49:07,100 --> 00:49:09,190 And, you know, she... 743 00:49:09,210 --> 00:49:13,160 I can't really necessarily remember what I said, but all I do remember 744 00:49:13,180 --> 00:49:18,040 is probably, you know, regretting for the rest of my life how short the phone call was. 745 00:49:18,060 --> 00:49:21,190 If I'd known that that was the last time I was gonna speak to my mother, 746 00:49:21,210 --> 00:49:25,120 the things that I would... the things I would have said to her. 747 00:49:25,140 --> 00:49:27,220 Looking back on it now, it's incredibly hard. 748 00:49:29,220 --> 00:49:32,160 I have to sort of deal with that for the rest of my life. 749 00:49:32,180 --> 00:49:36,060 Not knowing that that was the last time I was gonna speak to my mum, 750 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,190 and how differently that conversation would... 751 00:49:38,210 --> 00:49:42,020 would have panned out if I'd had even the slightest inkling 752 00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:46,000 that that was, you know... that her life was going to be taken that night. 753 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,040 (SIREN WAILING) 754 00:49:50,180 --> 00:49:54,160 REPORTER 1: The Princess was taken to intensive care following a car crash. 755 00:49:54,180 --> 00:49:58,230 REPORTER 2: The press association announced with a newsflash at 4:41 756 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,140 that Diana, Princess of Wales, has died. 757 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,170 According to British sources... 758 00:50:17,090 --> 00:50:20,150 VICTOR: The strangest thing was the thousands of people, 759 00:50:20,170 --> 00:50:23,030 hundreds of thousands of people, 760 00:50:23,050 --> 00:50:27,110 that spontaneously gathered in central London. 761 00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:31,170 I've never seen anything like it, 762 00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:33,220 and I don't expect to see anything like it. 763 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:40,180 People wanted to actually physically be near her. 764 00:50:44,220 --> 00:50:47,030 And I think that was because 765 00:50:47,050 --> 00:50:50,120 her humanity spoke to their humanity, 766 00:50:50,140 --> 00:50:52,190 regardless of...of 767 00:50:52,210 --> 00:50:57,060 the difference in class, the difference in life experience. 768 00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,170 That they saw something of themselves in her. 769 00:51:05,210 --> 00:51:08,050 HARRY: It was very, very strange after her death, 770 00:51:08,070 --> 00:51:11,160 you know, the sort of... the outpouring of love and emotion 771 00:51:11,180 --> 00:51:14,030 from so many people that had never even met her. 772 00:51:14,050 --> 00:51:18,010 And there was William and I walking around Kensington Palace Gardens here, 773 00:51:18,030 --> 00:51:22,000 and the sea of flowers all the way from the Palace gates 774 00:51:22,020 --> 00:51:24,220 all the way back to Kensington High Street. 775 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,040 And I was thinking to myself, 776 00:51:31,060 --> 00:51:34,190 "How is it that so many people that never met this woman, my mother, 777 00:51:34,210 --> 00:51:37,210 can be crying and showing more emotion 778 00:51:37,230 --> 00:51:39,230 than I actually am feeling?" 779 00:51:42,110 --> 00:51:46,050 WILLIAM: There's nothing like it in the world, there really isn't. 780 00:51:46,070 --> 00:51:48,040 It's completely and utterly... 781 00:51:48,060 --> 00:51:50,190 It's like an earthquake's just run through the house 782 00:51:50,210 --> 00:51:52,160 and through your life and everything. 783 00:51:52,180 --> 00:51:56,190 It's just... It's... Your mind is completely split. 784 00:51:56,210 --> 00:52:00,080 Erm, and it took me a while to actually... For it to sink in. 785 00:52:26,220 --> 00:52:29,230 Prince William was 15 years old when his mother died. 786 00:52:32,130 --> 00:52:34,150 Prince Harry was only 12. 787 00:52:38,090 --> 00:52:40,110 You know, losing someone so close to you 788 00:52:40,130 --> 00:52:44,050 is utterly devastating, especially at that age. 789 00:52:47,220 --> 00:52:51,030 I think it sort of really spins you out. 790 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,050 You don't quite know where you are, 791 00:52:54,070 --> 00:52:56,130 what you're doing and what's going on. 792 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,070 The family came together, erm, 793 00:53:21,090 --> 00:53:24,120 and Harry and I tried to talk as best we could about it, but... 794 00:53:24,140 --> 00:53:27,070 being so small at that age, it's very difficult to... 795 00:53:27,090 --> 00:53:31,080 to communicate or understand your feelings. It's very complicated. 796 00:53:36,010 --> 00:53:38,230 After the service in Westminster Abbey, 797 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,100 Diana's body was taken to her family home at Althorp. 798 00:53:45,220 --> 00:53:49,010 There, on an island in the middle of Round Oval Lake, 799 00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:50,230 she was laid to rest. 800 00:54:07,230 --> 00:54:12,070 The first time I cried was at the funeral on the...on the island. 801 00:54:12,090 --> 00:54:16,030 And probably, like... and only since then maybe once. 802 00:54:16,050 --> 00:54:18,050 So there's, you know, there's a lot of... 803 00:54:18,070 --> 00:54:22,050 there's a lot of grief that still needs to be, erm, to be let out. 804 00:54:40,070 --> 00:54:42,140 Slowly you try and rebuild your life 805 00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,030 and you try and understand what's happened, and... 806 00:54:45,050 --> 00:54:47,060 I kept saying to myself that, you know, 807 00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,100 my mother would not want me to be upset, 808 00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,170 she'd not want me to be down, she'd not want me to be like this. 809 00:54:52,190 --> 00:54:55,010 Keeping yourself... I kept myself busy, as well, 810 00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:58,080 which is good and bad sometimes, but allows you to, kind of, 811 00:54:58,100 --> 00:55:00,130 get through that initial shock phase. 812 00:55:01,170 --> 00:55:04,070 Erm, and to the point where I'd say, 813 00:55:04,090 --> 00:55:06,180 you know, we're talking as much as, maybe, 814 00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,120 five to seven years afterwards... 815 00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:14,120 I was so young, I grew up sort of 816 00:55:14,140 --> 00:55:16,170 thinking that not having a mum was normal. 817 00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:19,240 I think it was a classic case of, 818 00:55:20,010 --> 00:55:22,120 "Don't let yourself think about your mum 819 00:55:22,140 --> 00:55:26,240 and the grief and the hurt that comes with it, 820 00:55:27,010 --> 00:55:29,010 because it's never gonna bring her back 821 00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:31,190 and it's only gonna make you... make you more sad." 822 00:55:36,100 --> 00:55:38,150 People deal with grief in different ways... 823 00:55:39,180 --> 00:55:41,130 ..and my way of dealing with it was... 824 00:55:41,150 --> 00:55:44,010 was by, basically, shutting it out, locking it out. 825 00:55:47,010 --> 00:55:49,020 The ten years that I was in the Army, 826 00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,040 I just sort of dug my head in the sand 827 00:55:51,060 --> 00:55:53,070 and was just... It was just white noise. 828 00:55:53,090 --> 00:55:57,100 And I went through a whole period of having to try and sort my... sort myself out. 829 00:56:02,030 --> 00:56:03,180 My heart goes out to all the people 830 00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,000 who've lost all their loved ones in the world. 831 00:56:06,020 --> 00:56:08,240 You know, it does connect you. It's a very sad club... 832 00:56:09,010 --> 00:56:11,060 (CHUCKLES) ..you don't want to be a member of. 833 00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,160 But, erm, you do all have a shared...a shared sort of pain 834 00:56:14,180 --> 00:56:19,150 that you can immediately understand and see in anyone when you meet them. 835 00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,110 Talking about the loss of parents or children 836 00:56:27,130 --> 00:56:29,150 is one of the last great taboos. 837 00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,100 But poignantly, in the years before she died, 838 00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:38,140 Diana became one of the first public figures to engage with these issues 839 00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,200 when one of her best friends launched a bereavement charity. 840 00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,090 JULIA: When Child Bereavement UK was founded, 841 00:56:47,110 --> 00:56:50,010 Diana, as an act of friendship, 842 00:56:50,030 --> 00:56:54,020 she did many things that really supported me personally. 843 00:56:56,030 --> 00:56:57,220 Good afternoon. 844 00:56:57,240 --> 00:57:00,210 I hadn't made many speeches, I was really nervous, 845 00:57:00,230 --> 00:57:03,110 and so she helped me with my speech. 846 00:57:03,130 --> 00:57:06,060 The Child Bereavement Trust will address problems 847 00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,040 that affect many people's lives. 848 00:57:08,060 --> 00:57:10,240 And she came to our launch. 849 00:57:11,010 --> 00:57:14,100 And, of course, it meant we were in every newspaper, on the news. 850 00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,150 And it gave us the best possible launch we could ever have had. 851 00:57:18,210 --> 00:57:22,190 She had a very natural gift of empathy. 852 00:57:22,210 --> 00:57:26,200 Just by looking at someone, she'd have an idea of what they were feeling. 853 00:57:26,220 --> 00:57:29,100 And, actually, I see that with the Duke of Cambridge. 854 00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,230 He has a depth of understanding through his own experience 855 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,000 that connects with other people. 856 00:57:39,230 --> 00:57:43,150 Prince William has continued his mother's relationship with the charity, 857 00:57:43,170 --> 00:57:46,130 becoming Patron of Child Bereavement UK. 858 00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:48,240 I strongly believe that everyone wants to help, 859 00:57:49,010 --> 00:57:50,120 they just don't know how to. 860 00:57:50,140 --> 00:57:53,060 And they usually end up stumbling a bit and then 861 00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,150 just staying quiet, which is sometimes the worst thing you can do. 862 00:57:56,170 --> 00:57:59,240 I was pregnant with our second daughter, 863 00:58:00,010 --> 00:58:03,020 erm, and I went to a routine 38-week antenatal appointment 864 00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:07,060 erm, and, erm, they found no heartbeat. Erm... 865 00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,220 Gosh, sorry. No, don't worry. Already. (LAUGHS) 866 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,130 Emily's baby Abbie was stillborn. 867 00:58:15,130 --> 00:58:18,160 John's daughter Rosie died when she was 19. 868 00:58:19,180 --> 00:58:22,150 At the moment, we're talking about 869 00:58:22,170 --> 00:58:25,080 what do we do with Rosie's ashes? We've still got those. 870 00:58:25,100 --> 00:58:27,150 It's hard to totally let go as well, isn't it? 871 00:58:27,170 --> 00:58:29,140 It's very hard to let go. 872 00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,070 I always think that how you come out of a bereavement, 873 00:58:32,090 --> 00:58:34,170 how you come out of grief is a defining moment. Yes. 874 00:58:34,190 --> 00:58:37,240 It doesn't go away. It never goes away. No. You have to deal with it. 875 00:58:38,010 --> 00:58:41,000 Yeah, you make it a part of your life in a way that's right 876 00:58:41,020 --> 00:58:44,010 and good and the best way that you can. Absolutely. Yeah. 877 00:58:44,030 --> 00:58:46,090 KATE: John and Emily, thank you so much. 878 00:58:46,110 --> 00:58:48,130 Thank you. It's really appreciated. 879 00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:52,130 And it's so brave to be as open and as articulate as you are. 880 00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:55,010 Keep the memories alive, that's the thing, isn't it? 881 00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:57,040 Keep...keep the memories alive. Yeah. 882 00:59:04,210 --> 00:59:07,190 On the 20th anniversary of Diana's death, 883 00:59:07,210 --> 00:59:11,080 a special garden has been created at Kensington Palace 884 00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:13,210 to celebrate her life and legacy. 885 00:59:15,210 --> 00:59:20,030 Graham Dillamore was a young gardener when he began working for Diana. 886 00:59:21,060 --> 00:59:23,070 GRAHAM: We're all very lucky to, er, 887 00:59:23,090 --> 00:59:26,240 to know her, work with her and be here at that time. 888 00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:31,030 For me, personally, 889 00:59:31,050 --> 00:59:34,000 this is where I'll always remember her. 890 00:59:35,130 --> 00:59:38,120 We were looking at images of Diana, and 891 00:59:38,140 --> 00:59:41,120 the whites and creams and those pastel shades seemed to 892 00:59:41,140 --> 00:59:43,200 sort of jump out at us a bit on the page. 893 00:59:43,220 --> 00:59:47,110 And we thought we could maybe develop a scheme that could, er, 894 00:59:47,130 --> 00:59:50,080 that could capture that and would look really, really nice. 895 00:59:52,100 --> 00:59:54,190 And they've got taller than I thought... 896 00:59:54,210 --> 00:59:58,010 You can see we've got the foxgloves coming into flower now, 897 00:59:58,030 --> 00:59:59,240 which are wonderful. 898 01:00:00,010 --> 01:00:02,150 And we're planting these gorgeous white lilies. 899 01:00:02,170 --> 01:00:08,010 And then we've got these super, fantastic kind of creamy roses. 900 01:00:12,220 --> 01:00:15,020 Seeing the two boys, when they were little, 901 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,170 in the private garden throwing a rugby ball around 902 01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:21,170 or kicking a football into the roses, it was great to see. 903 01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:24,200 And it reminded me of my own garden at home with my kids. 904 01:00:26,020 --> 01:00:29,200 I'll always look back on those days with really great, happy memories. 905 01:00:34,220 --> 01:00:38,160 HARRY HERBERT: When you see the boys, funnily enough, 906 01:00:38,180 --> 01:00:40,230 for me that brings her back. 907 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,170 It makes me smile when you turn on the telly 908 01:00:45,190 --> 01:00:49,030 and see that Harry's been a bit wicked doing something. 909 01:00:49,050 --> 01:00:52,140 That's great, cos that's Diana. 910 01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:56,170 And you see, you know, you see William's smile 911 01:00:56,190 --> 01:01:01,010 or you see the way that they react 912 01:01:01,030 --> 01:01:03,240 to people, 913 01:01:04,010 --> 01:01:06,110 and that's their mother. 914 01:01:11,050 --> 01:01:15,230 WILLIAM VAN STRAUBENZEE: People used to say to me, "Were you ever in love with Diana?" 915 01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,070 And my answer is, "Of course I was in love with Diana. 916 01:01:19,090 --> 01:01:21,150 Everybody in the world was in love with Diana." 917 01:01:21,170 --> 01:01:25,060 I mean, every person of every age group 918 01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:29,180 of any sex or denomination or anything that knew of her 919 01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,200 was in love with her. 920 01:01:33,210 --> 01:01:36,180 She was just an extraordinary person. 921 01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:52,040 In the years since Diana died, 922 01:01:52,060 --> 01:01:54,140 two of her grandchildren have been born. 923 01:01:56,180 --> 01:02:00,160 DIRECTOR: How do you keep her memory alive for your children? 924 01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:06,040 I think constantly talking about Granny Diana. (CHUCKLES) 925 01:02:06,060 --> 01:02:09,150 Erm, so we've got more photos up around the house now of her, 926 01:02:09,170 --> 01:02:11,170 and we talk about her a bit and stuff. 927 01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:14,100 It's hard because, obviously, Catherine didn't know her, 928 01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,230 so she cannot really provide that... that level of detail. 929 01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,000 So I do regularly, putting George or Charlotte to bed, 930 01:02:21,020 --> 01:02:23,210 talk about her and just try and remind them that 931 01:02:23,230 --> 01:02:26,140 there are two grandmothers, there were two grandmothers 932 01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,240 in their lives, and so it's important 933 01:02:29,010 --> 01:02:31,070 they know who she was and that she existed. 934 01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,180 She'd be a nightmare grandmother, absolute nightmare. 935 01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:40,100 She'd love the children to bits, erm, but she'd be an absolute nightmare. 936 01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,080 She'd come and go and she'd come in, probably, at bath time, 937 01:02:43,100 --> 01:02:46,080 cause an amazing amount of scene, bubbles everywhere, 938 01:02:46,100 --> 01:02:49,120 bathwater all over the place, and...and then leave. 939 01:02:55,180 --> 01:02:59,060 I wanna make as much time and effort with Charlotte and George as I can 940 01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:03,060 because I realise that these early years, particularly, are crucial for children, 941 01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,070 erm, having seen, you know, what she did for us. 942 01:03:12,070 --> 01:03:15,020 I found these ones here, which I thought was quite sweet. 943 01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,230 Believe it or not, you and I are both in this photograph. 944 01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:22,050 Right. (LAUGHS) You're in the tummy. Oh, nice. Yeah, exactly. 945 01:03:22,070 --> 01:03:24,230 No, she wrote on it saying, "W Harry." It's quite funny. 946 01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,030 I mean, you potentially look excited that you've got a... 947 01:03:28,050 --> 01:03:30,070 at that point, a brother or sister coming. 948 01:03:30,090 --> 01:03:33,170 I think I was looking forward to beating you up, maybe you're right. 949 01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:35,220 I thought that was quite a funny photograph, 950 01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:38,160 it was quite sweet. She seems happy there as well. 951 01:03:40,060 --> 01:03:43,060 Time spent with her, the feeling of 952 01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:47,000 having her around and being loved as a family or as a son, 953 01:03:47,020 --> 01:03:49,220 I think those are the most precious, special memories to me. 954 01:03:52,190 --> 01:03:55,200 And it has been hard and it will continue to be hard. 955 01:03:55,220 --> 01:03:58,000 There's not a day that William and I don't wish 956 01:03:58,020 --> 01:04:00,180 that she was...we don't wish that she was still around, 957 01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,080 and we wonder what kind of a mother she would be now, 958 01:04:03,100 --> 01:04:05,140 and what kind of a public role she would have, 959 01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,240 and what a difference she would be making. 960 01:04:08,010 --> 01:04:09,160 I think she'd be proud that 961 01:04:09,180 --> 01:04:13,030 Harry and I have managed to come through everything that's happened, 962 01:04:13,050 --> 01:04:16,230 having lost her, and that gives me 963 01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,020 positivity and strength to know that I can... 964 01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,090 I can face anything the world can throw at me. 965 01:04:23,010 --> 01:04:25,110 We felt, you know, incredibly loved, Harry and I, 966 01:04:25,130 --> 01:04:29,010 erm, and I'm very grateful that that love still... 967 01:04:29,030 --> 01:04:31,030 still feels there, even 20 years on. 968 01:04:31,050 --> 01:04:33,130 And I think that's a huge credit to her, that I... 969 01:04:33,150 --> 01:04:35,150 I can...I can still feel that now. 970 01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,240 subtitles by Baudrillard 86005

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