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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:02:29,403 --> 00:02:31,943 Go away, it's mine. 2 00:02:33,523 --> 00:02:35,483 It's mine, leave it. 3 00:02:35,483 --> 00:02:37,643 It's my turn. 4 00:02:48,361 --> 00:02:51,361 Whitewater massacre? That was what, five years ago? 5 00:02:51,482 --> 00:02:53,402 Seven. 6 00:02:53,402 --> 00:02:57,582 December 7th 1996. Did you get any fingerprints? 7 00:02:57,582 --> 00:03:02,102 Just the kids who found it. What, they handed it in? What've we got? 8 00:03:02,102 --> 00:03:05,702 Police issue Glock pistol. It certainly is, Mel. 9 00:03:05,702 --> 00:03:12,802 Registered to Sgt Nick Patterson of the Tactical Firearms Unit. He was killed in the massacre. 10 00:03:12,802 --> 00:03:18,222 Ballistics suggested Mackenzie used Patterson's gun to kill his last two victims. 13-year-old Debbie Thomas 11 00:03:18,222 --> 00:03:22,802 and Nick Patterson himself. Someone tell me what this is doing here? 12 00:03:22,802 --> 00:03:28,262 It was found in a railway siding 10 miles from Whitewater. That's why it's here? 13 00:03:28,262 --> 00:03:33,362 Someone buried the murder weapon in a dump. So they want us to re-open the case. 14 00:03:33,362 --> 00:03:37,702 So this is grounds to re-open the case? Yeah, maybe. 15 00:03:39,642 --> 00:03:43,822 OK, send it back. What? Put it in a box and send it back. 16 00:03:43,822 --> 00:03:50,222 But Mackenzie always maintained his innocence. Yeah, set up by the real gunman but there's no trace of him. 17 00:03:50,222 --> 00:03:56,882 They never found Patterson's gun, but they found the gun Mackenzie used to kill the first 12 victims. 18 00:03:56,882 --> 00:03:59,962 You're well informed. Is there something we should know? 19 00:03:59,962 --> 00:04:03,982 Not at the moment. For the last time - listening? Send it back. 20 00:04:13,562 --> 00:04:17,502 Do you want to talk? No, not really. 21 00:04:18,682 --> 00:04:21,422 I'm out for a couple of hours. OK. 22 00:04:21,422 --> 00:04:25,882 Make sure that gun's not here when I get back, all right? 23 00:04:33,284 --> 00:04:35,644 Morning, sir. 24 00:04:35,644 --> 00:04:37,964 Hi. Thank you. 25 00:04:40,824 --> 00:04:43,004 Detective Superintendent Boyd. 26 00:04:43,004 --> 00:04:45,924 Yep, over here. I'm Andrew Cross. 27 00:04:45,924 --> 00:04:48,064 Andrew? 28 00:04:48,064 --> 00:04:53,524 You were working with Nick Patterson the day that... Yeah. 29 00:04:53,524 --> 00:04:55,764 Yeah, I remember. I'm sorry. 30 00:04:55,764 --> 00:05:01,744 I'm an instructor here now. Right. You want Robert, my father. Yeah. He's on the range. Thank you. 31 00:05:23,184 --> 00:05:25,444 Clear. Clear. 32 00:05:25,444 --> 00:05:27,044 Clear. 33 00:05:27,044 --> 00:05:28,644 Clear. 34 00:05:28,644 --> 00:05:31,724 Detective Superintendent Boyd. Peter Boyd. 35 00:05:31,724 --> 00:05:33,944 I'm Robert Cross. I run this dump. 36 00:05:33,944 --> 00:05:37,884 Beth Downing, my number two. Beth. Hi. 37 00:05:37,884 --> 00:05:42,104 I... I know you. Yeah, we met at Nick Patterson's funeral. 38 00:05:42,104 --> 00:05:48,544 I remember you. You and Nick were at college together? Yeah, we were. We...graduated together. 39 00:05:51,104 --> 00:05:54,964 I'd like a word with you, please, if that's possible. 40 00:05:56,324 --> 00:05:58,644 Yeah, sure. The office. 41 00:05:58,644 --> 00:06:00,364 Sure. 42 00:06:00,364 --> 00:06:03,024 Thank you. 43 00:06:03,024 --> 00:06:08,344 This is about Nick's gun, right? Yeah. Any idea who might've moved it from the scene? None. 44 00:06:08,344 --> 00:06:12,344 But you must've given it some thought. Of course. 45 00:06:12,344 --> 00:06:19,204 Before we cornered Mackenzie, he could've thrown the gun into the street. Maybe someone picked it up. 46 00:06:19,204 --> 00:06:23,404 You don't really believe that, do you? Stranger things have happened. 47 00:06:23,404 --> 00:06:29,564 If you've any better ideas, I'm all ears. How much do you know about the original investigation? 48 00:06:29,564 --> 00:06:34,144 Carried out by DCI Nesbit and good enough to convince the jury. 49 00:06:34,144 --> 00:06:38,084 It wasn't thorough - no ID parade or DNA evidence, 50 00:06:38,084 --> 00:06:42,224 no restrictions on the Press who put Mackenzie's face in the papers. 51 00:06:42,224 --> 00:06:49,324 No restrictions because you caught him red-handed? Plus Nesbit didn't want the survivors to suffer more. 52 00:06:49,324 --> 00:06:51,644 Which I can understand. 53 00:06:51,644 --> 00:06:55,184 My point being, the case doesn't bear scrutiny. 54 00:06:55,184 --> 00:06:59,484 So if you want Nick's killer to stay in jail, I'd look away now. 55 00:06:59,484 --> 00:07:03,964 I hadn't decided to re-open the case. What are you doing here? 56 00:07:03,964 --> 00:07:07,924 Nick Patterson was a friend of mine. 57 00:07:07,924 --> 00:07:10,204 Oh, yeah, of course. 58 00:07:12,464 --> 00:07:15,324 You know, he told me once 59 00:07:15,324 --> 00:07:19,704 I was the father he never had and you were the elder brother. 60 00:07:19,704 --> 00:07:24,024 I won't ask what he said behind my back. I wouldn't tell you. 61 00:07:26,244 --> 00:07:29,264 You know what the real mystery is? 62 00:07:29,264 --> 00:07:33,804 How Mackenzie got Nick's gun off him in the first place? Exactly. 63 00:07:33,804 --> 00:07:36,484 Dad. You need to see this. 64 00:07:37,924 --> 00:07:44,404 'Like Hungerford and Dunblane, the name Whitewater will live long in public memory. 65 00:07:44,404 --> 00:07:49,824 'Sgt Nick Patterson was among 14 murdered in the Whitewater massacre seven years ago. 66 00:07:49,824 --> 00:07:55,884 'The disappearance of his gun was one of many unanswered questions about that tragic day. 67 00:07:55,884 --> 00:08:01,304 'Ballistic evidence suggested he was murdered with his own gun - a police issue Glock. 68 00:08:01,304 --> 00:08:03,984 'But the gun itself was never found. 69 00:08:03,984 --> 00:08:08,504 'Yesterday, two boys aged 10 and 11 discovered the pistol 70 00:08:08,504 --> 00:08:11,924 'at Normanhurst Sidings, 10 miles from Whitewater. 71 00:08:11,924 --> 00:08:16,024 'Lawyers for Carl Mackenzie say that yesterday's discovery 72 00:08:16,024 --> 00:08:19,344 'throws into question the safety of his conviction.' 73 00:08:32,056 --> 00:08:34,836 Peter! Hello, Sally. 74 00:08:36,076 --> 00:08:38,236 Can I come in? 75 00:08:38,236 --> 00:08:40,316 Thank you. 76 00:08:40,316 --> 00:08:44,996 What does it mean? Probably nothing. Someone just probably 77 00:08:44,996 --> 00:08:51,296 picked the gun up, but then didn't want it in the house. That's Robert's story. I'm borrowing it. 78 00:08:51,296 --> 00:08:58,396 You don't believe it any more than he does. Do you think there's any possibility Mackenzie's innocent? 79 00:08:58,396 --> 00:09:02,556 I...don't think there is, personally, no. 80 00:09:02,556 --> 00:09:08,716 At first, I almost felt sorry for him. That didn't last lost long. I hate him more than ever now. 81 00:09:08,716 --> 00:09:13,316 I curse the day his mother gave birth to him. That sounds awful. 82 00:09:13,316 --> 00:09:15,596 It sounds fair enough to me. 83 00:09:17,476 --> 00:09:21,596 Sally, after Nick died, you never returned my calls. 84 00:09:21,596 --> 00:09:24,616 No. Why didn't you? 85 00:09:24,616 --> 00:09:30,136 I'm sorry. That doesn't answer my question, though, does it? 86 00:09:30,136 --> 00:09:34,656 When I first met Nick, you were always together. 87 00:09:34,656 --> 00:09:38,496 I suppose you remind me of him too much. 88 00:09:38,496 --> 00:09:41,816 That's the reason? Yes. 89 00:09:43,416 --> 00:09:47,256 That's the only reason? Isn't that enough? 90 00:09:48,796 --> 00:09:51,336 Yeah, I suppose it is. 91 00:09:52,896 --> 00:09:56,876 Thanks for coming, Peter. You're a good friend... 92 00:09:56,876 --> 00:09:58,916 even if I'm not. 93 00:10:42,436 --> 00:10:47,116 Boyd. Stephen Markland, Carl Mackenzie's lawyer, to see you. OK. 94 00:10:47,116 --> 00:10:49,496 Mr Markland, what do you want? 95 00:10:49,496 --> 00:10:55,556 My client has applied for leave to appeal. Against his sentence or his conviction? His conviction. 96 00:10:55,556 --> 00:11:00,876 You came to tell me that? No, but whatever evidence you uncover in your investigation... 97 00:11:00,876 --> 00:11:06,716 What investigation? ..relating to my client's guilt or innocence you are bound to share with me. 98 00:11:06,716 --> 00:11:11,356 No, I share it with the CPS, then they decide. That's false modesty. 99 00:11:11,356 --> 00:11:18,396 Wait till there's an appeal before wasting my time. We'll be heard promptly, given the new evidence. 100 00:11:18,396 --> 00:11:23,436 We're not here to give you a hard time. That's very kind of you. Who are you? 101 00:11:23,436 --> 00:11:28,056 Fiona Mackenzie. Carl's sister. We just want justice for my brother. 102 00:11:28,056 --> 00:11:35,176 He never owned or even fired a gun in his life. He couldn't have killed all those people. It's impossible! 103 00:11:35,176 --> 00:11:40,876 Fiona... I just want the truth. Is that what you want? Of course. 104 00:11:40,876 --> 00:11:45,116 Even if it means my brother going free? Mm-hm. 105 00:11:45,116 --> 00:11:47,276 Excuse me. 106 00:11:50,216 --> 00:11:53,816 You really should have left that to me. 107 00:12:00,096 --> 00:12:04,636 Frankie? Uh-huh. Did you send the gun back? No. 108 00:12:05,756 --> 00:12:07,236 Good. 109 00:12:09,576 --> 00:12:13,996 Why didn't you send it back? Because I knew you didn't mean it. 110 00:12:17,336 --> 00:12:18,716 Good. 111 00:12:20,576 --> 00:12:24,796 This is where Mackenzie was born and where the Whitewater massacre began. 112 00:12:24,796 --> 00:12:31,316 It was midday, December 7th '96, when Mackenzie pulled up in a VW camper and went into the house. 113 00:12:31,316 --> 00:12:35,736 How long has this place been empty? About seven months. 114 00:12:35,736 --> 00:12:39,336 Talk me through it, Spence. Right. Shut the door. 115 00:12:39,336 --> 00:12:45,216 Carl entered this room here, where his father, Brian, and his mother, Linda, were watching TV. 116 00:12:45,216 --> 00:12:48,136 TV is...? Was? There. OK. 117 00:12:48,136 --> 00:12:54,756 After arguing, he shot them with a Heckler and Koch MP5 carbine. Bodies? They were here. 118 00:12:54,756 --> 00:13:00,556 How do we know about the argument? Fiona. His sister Fiona was upstairs in her bedroom. 119 00:13:00,556 --> 00:13:07,416 She said the male voice wasn't her brother's. The jury didn't believe her. So she didn't see anything. 120 00:13:07,416 --> 00:13:11,616 The MP5's a really serious gun. Where did he get it? Good question. 121 00:13:11,616 --> 00:13:17,816 Don't know the answer. Isn't it in the file? The original investigation wasn't comprehensive. Why not? 122 00:13:17,816 --> 00:13:22,076 Because they caught Carl Mackenzie at the scene and got complacent. 123 00:13:26,056 --> 00:13:31,076 OK, at about 12.30, Carl Mackenzie arrives here on this floor. 124 00:13:31,076 --> 00:13:34,816 Where exactly? Here. Sixth bay on the west side. 125 00:13:34,816 --> 00:13:39,176 He leaves the VW and goes to Martin and Emma Corgan in a Range Rover. 126 00:13:39,176 --> 00:13:42,996 Where was it parked? Bay 2, west ramp, here. 127 00:13:42,996 --> 00:13:49,256 He reaches the bonnet of the Range Rover, fires through the windscreen at the Corgans. 128 00:13:49,256 --> 00:13:53,376 Then what? Emma Corgan dies. Not straight away. 129 00:13:53,376 --> 00:13:59,096 Martin Corgan played dead with his wife lying next to him who took 30 minutes to die. 130 00:13:59,096 --> 00:14:04,796 He's the principal witness against Mackenzie. Why didn't Corgan drive off? He was in the passenger seat. 131 00:14:04,796 --> 00:14:09,576 All right. So, then Mackenzie positioned himself over here, 132 00:14:09,576 --> 00:14:15,256 between his van and the wall where he opened fire on the shoppers in the street below. 133 00:14:15,256 --> 00:14:21,096 In 30 minutes, he killed 9 people, including William and Nick Glass, killed by the same bullet. 134 00:14:24,956 --> 00:14:28,096 ECHOING SHOTS RING OUT 135 00:14:53,516 --> 00:14:54,876 Sally. 136 00:14:54,876 --> 00:14:57,276 Hello, my darling. 137 00:14:58,816 --> 00:15:02,936 Hi, Sally. Hi, Andrew. Are you all right? Tea or something? 138 00:15:02,936 --> 00:15:05,096 No, I'm fine. 139 00:15:12,076 --> 00:15:14,956 Hello, everyone. I'm Dave Saunders. 140 00:15:14,956 --> 00:15:19,396 Welcome to this unofficial meeting of the Whitewater Survivors Group. 141 00:15:19,396 --> 00:15:25,516 As I'm sure you're aware, Carl Mackenzie has again applied to appeal against his conviction. 142 00:15:25,516 --> 00:15:33,176 This time, he has a greater chance of success. That doesn't mean he'll win his appeal, but he'll be heard. 143 00:15:35,336 --> 00:15:42,636 At 1.05, the Tactical Firearms Unit arrived, moving up stairwells, clearing each floor as they went. 144 00:15:44,096 --> 00:15:48,836 This is where Nick Patterson and Debbie Thomas were found. 145 00:15:48,836 --> 00:15:59,436 They'd both been shot - not with the MP5 like the others - but with Nick Patterson's Glock pistol. 146 00:15:59,436 --> 00:16:02,836 Where was his partner, PC Andrew Cross? 147 00:16:02,836 --> 00:16:07,956 He was upstairs and didn't come down until it was all over. Maybe Mackenzie surprised him. 148 00:16:07,956 --> 00:16:13,996 Nick wasn't here to go shopping. This is what he lived for. What if Mackenzie had Debbie at gunpoint? 149 00:16:13,996 --> 00:16:25,596 He'd never surrender his gun. He'd back off and keep the area secure. What if he was gonna shoot her? 150 00:16:25,596 --> 00:16:29,816 We joined the force and trained together. We were good friends. 151 00:16:29,816 --> 00:16:34,996 D'you think Mackenzie's guilty? Doesn't matter what I think. It does. You lost a friend. Yeah. 152 00:16:34,996 --> 00:16:41,336 Should Mackenzie stay in jail? If we do our job properly, Mackenzie will get what he deserves. 153 00:16:43,816 --> 00:16:49,956 While I know it's only right that we do all we can to keep Carl Mackenzie locked up, 154 00:16:49,956 --> 00:16:52,916 we should try to forgive him. 155 00:16:52,916 --> 00:16:57,716 Ah, no! I can't hear that. Sorry, Dave. I can't hear that. 156 00:16:57,716 --> 00:17:02,076 Sit down, Martin. We're in this together. We're what? 157 00:17:02,076 --> 00:17:06,676 You heard. You lost your colleague. I lost my wife. 158 00:17:06,676 --> 00:17:11,936 You just did your job. You shouldn't even be here. Come here. 159 00:17:11,936 --> 00:17:14,116 Come here! 160 00:17:21,236 --> 00:17:26,916 Nick Patterson was like a son to me, but that's not the point. 161 00:17:26,916 --> 00:17:29,656 We don't compare war wounds. Do we? 162 00:17:32,596 --> 00:17:38,616 If we did, Sue Glass would win hands down. She lost her whole family. 163 00:17:45,516 --> 00:17:47,616 Carry on, Dave. 164 00:17:47,616 --> 00:17:54,596 Thanks, Robert. I'm sorry, Martin, but everyone here has suffered some sort of bereavement or injury. 165 00:17:54,596 --> 00:17:58,536 The point is that now we must look forward. 166 00:18:02,596 --> 00:18:04,676 Why did you blank me, Sally? 167 00:18:04,676 --> 00:18:06,756 Excuse me. 168 00:18:06,756 --> 00:18:10,236 Don't ever blame me for what happened to Nick. 169 00:18:10,236 --> 00:18:12,416 Why not? 170 00:18:12,416 --> 00:18:16,476 You lost him years before Whitewater. 171 00:18:16,476 --> 00:18:19,076 What are you trying to prove, Beth? 172 00:18:20,756 --> 00:18:23,636 You think I'm a freak, don't you? 173 00:18:23,636 --> 00:18:26,836 Where are my kids, where's my husband? 174 00:18:26,836 --> 00:18:28,956 I don't think about you at all. 175 00:18:30,616 --> 00:18:36,576 Mackenzie came to the top floor and was cornered by Robert Cross and Beth Downing of the TFU. 176 00:18:36,576 --> 00:18:41,916 Beth shot him in the hand and shoulder. The force of the bullet knocked him over the parapet. 177 00:18:41,916 --> 00:18:48,636 At his height, he wouldn't have gone over. Standing on this bumper rail raises him 18 inches. Why do that? 178 00:18:48,636 --> 00:18:51,156 Get a better shot. But why did she shoot him? 179 00:18:51,156 --> 00:18:57,756 He refused to give up his gun. He fell 50ft. He was in a coma for two months, but still survived. 180 00:18:57,756 --> 00:19:01,996 That's not natural. Well, it happened. 181 00:19:01,996 --> 00:19:08,676 Mackenzie was driving this on the day of the massacre, but there's no registration document or paperwork. 182 00:19:08,676 --> 00:19:14,516 The report says it was stolen but there's no record of it - so how did they know? 183 00:19:14,516 --> 00:19:18,796 How did they know? We've got to get to the firearms unit, Frankie. 184 00:19:20,276 --> 00:19:22,816 Guns and bullets, ballistics. 185 00:19:22,816 --> 00:19:27,116 How are your ballistics? Fine, thank you for asking. 186 00:19:27,116 --> 00:19:33,796 We've got to find out exactly what happened in that car park. Second by second. 187 00:19:33,796 --> 00:19:36,476 OK. OK? Uh-huh. 188 00:19:39,096 --> 00:19:43,556 This is CCTV footage from a bank in Whitewater High Street. 189 00:19:50,336 --> 00:19:51,896 Why? 190 00:20:15,816 --> 00:20:18,316 Sorry. You ready? Yeah. 191 00:20:18,316 --> 00:20:23,136 Why don't you want to talk to him? I remember him in court. Oh, yeah? 192 00:20:23,136 --> 00:20:25,836 He'll like you more, Mel. 193 00:20:25,836 --> 00:20:32,236 I don't know why I'm here. We're sorry to have to put you through it all again, Martin. But...? 194 00:20:32,236 --> 00:20:36,296 You were the main eyewitness. That makes you a very important person. 195 00:20:36,296 --> 00:20:41,736 No, it makes me an important witness. You don't give a shit about me, so don't pretend to. 196 00:20:44,836 --> 00:20:51,456 The original investigation didn't answer some questions. Don't knock DCI Nesbit. He was a good guy. 197 00:20:51,456 --> 00:20:55,756 Nobody's knocking anyone. We just want to understand what happened. 198 00:21:02,076 --> 00:21:06,996 It was Saturday morning. We'd just done the weekly supermarket shop. 199 00:21:08,896 --> 00:21:12,996 My wife got in the driving seat while I put the shopping in. 200 00:21:12,996 --> 00:21:18,076 And did your wife normally drive? We sort of took it in turns. 201 00:21:19,736 --> 00:21:22,476 I got into the passenger seat 202 00:21:22,476 --> 00:21:25,216 and when I looked up, 203 00:21:25,216 --> 00:21:29,816 I saw this guy... holding a machine gun. 204 00:21:43,776 --> 00:21:49,756 According to your statement on December 8th, you threw yourself across your wife. 205 00:21:51,776 --> 00:21:53,716 I was... 206 00:21:53,716 --> 00:21:55,816 I was too slow. 207 00:21:55,816 --> 00:22:00,416 But it saved your life. The other bullet went into your seat. Yeah. 208 00:22:00,416 --> 00:22:04,676 If I'd just been quicker. It sounds as if you had little choice. 209 00:22:08,356 --> 00:22:15,356 I heard her groan. Blood trickled down her nose and she was trying to speak. You must've been terrified. 210 00:22:15,356 --> 00:22:18,336 Yeah. You weren't injured at all? 211 00:22:18,336 --> 00:22:20,276 No, er... 212 00:22:20,276 --> 00:22:23,036 In that respect, I was very lucky. 213 00:22:24,276 --> 00:22:27,636 But, for the next half an hour, 214 00:22:27,636 --> 00:22:32,456 I lay there while my wife died next to me. 215 00:22:34,996 --> 00:22:37,076 Help me. 216 00:22:37,076 --> 00:22:39,196 It'll be OK. 217 00:22:39,196 --> 00:22:41,716 Help me. Ssh. OK. 218 00:22:41,716 --> 00:22:43,176 OK. 219 00:22:46,936 --> 00:22:49,156 Maybe... 220 00:22:49,156 --> 00:22:53,796 Maybe if I'd tried to move her and drive off... 221 00:22:53,796 --> 00:22:57,916 He'd have heard the engine, surely? Yeah, he was right in front of me. 222 00:22:57,916 --> 00:23:00,236 You could see him? 223 00:23:00,236 --> 00:23:04,256 Well, I was playing dead most of the time. 224 00:23:06,456 --> 00:23:09,216 Sorry, you had your eyes closed? 225 00:23:11,096 --> 00:23:13,216 I suppose so. 226 00:23:13,216 --> 00:23:17,516 Then you couldn't have seen Carl Mackenzie? 227 00:23:17,516 --> 00:23:19,716 That's enough, Mel. 228 00:23:19,716 --> 00:23:25,996 I didn't say that. I said most of the time. Did you or didn't you see Carl Mackenzie? 'Wrap it up, Mel.' 229 00:23:25,996 --> 00:23:31,956 Yes, I did. You want to know how I can remember? Please, yes. 230 00:23:31,956 --> 00:23:37,116 Cos every time he fired the gun, I thought the bullet was for me. 231 00:23:37,116 --> 00:23:38,996 Wrap it up, Mel. 232 00:23:38,996 --> 00:23:42,476 So I couldn't help open my eyes. 233 00:23:42,476 --> 00:23:44,456 'Wrap it up, Mel.' 234 00:23:47,476 --> 00:23:49,796 OK. Thank you, Mr Corgan. 235 00:23:52,276 --> 00:23:55,176 Interview terminated, 10.45. 236 00:24:01,496 --> 00:24:03,476 Boyd? 237 00:24:03,476 --> 00:24:05,856 Boyd? Yeah? 238 00:24:05,856 --> 00:24:13,036 Did you know that Carl Mackenzie was engaged? To a very rich old lady. I think I remember, yeah. 239 00:24:13,036 --> 00:24:16,476 Monica Reynolds, heir to Reynolds Mining plc. 240 00:24:16,476 --> 00:24:23,476 How did these two get together? He restored some furniture for her. He had a taste for gentrification. 241 00:24:23,476 --> 00:24:29,556 At school, he liked to be called Oscar and told them his father was titled. Anything else? 242 00:24:29,556 --> 00:24:36,456 Two years before, he was diagnosed with paranoid personality disorder and dependent personality disorder. 243 00:24:36,456 --> 00:24:41,156 What's the dependent one about? Well, a need for nurturance, 244 00:24:41,156 --> 00:24:45,716 overwhelming fear of abandonment, family opinion is critical to them. 245 00:24:45,716 --> 00:24:51,076 Might that explain why he killed his parents? Maybe. Convenient theory, isn't it? 246 00:24:51,076 --> 00:24:57,416 It certainly doesn't explain the massacre. What about his story of being abducted by the real gunman? 247 00:24:57,416 --> 00:25:03,116 Whatever you think of it, it may be good to hear it from him. We can't make him talk. 248 00:25:03,116 --> 00:25:09,316 He'd only talk about the "real" gunman. You don't have to be there. Why wouldn't I want to be there? 249 00:25:09,316 --> 00:25:16,036 Cos you're scared how you'll react when you come face to face with Nick's killer. I don't blame you. 250 00:25:17,276 --> 00:25:20,196 You're clever, aren't you? Just a bit. 251 00:25:20,196 --> 00:25:24,256 OK. We'll talk to the sister first. You can do that. 252 00:25:24,256 --> 00:25:25,596 Right. 253 00:25:30,496 --> 00:25:35,176 I'm only here because my brother's lawyer told me to cooperate. 254 00:25:35,176 --> 00:25:41,876 Thanks for coming in, anyway. How would you describe Carl's relationship with your parents? 255 00:25:41,876 --> 00:25:44,376 He loved them and they loved him. 256 00:25:44,376 --> 00:25:48,536 We're not asking if you think he killed them. Not in so many words. 257 00:25:48,536 --> 00:25:51,296 Look, I've read your statement. 258 00:25:51,296 --> 00:25:58,216 You said the voice downstairs before your parents were shot was a stranger's and I believe you. 259 00:25:58,216 --> 00:26:04,416 Dad thought Carl looked down his nose at him, but he couldn't have been more wrong - he worshipped him. 260 00:26:04,416 --> 00:26:07,816 What did your dad think of Monica? 261 00:26:07,816 --> 00:26:10,676 She was a character. 262 00:26:10,676 --> 00:26:15,276 Like Carl? Yeah, they were well suited apart from the age gap. 263 00:26:15,276 --> 00:26:17,536 What about her son - Guy? 264 00:26:17,536 --> 00:26:19,116 No. 265 00:26:19,116 --> 00:26:21,416 I didn't like him. 266 00:26:21,416 --> 00:26:24,216 I didn't trust him. 267 00:26:26,496 --> 00:26:29,996 Carl thought Dad was having him followed. 268 00:26:29,996 --> 00:26:35,256 I didn't think anything of it to start with. Carl always thought people were following him. 269 00:26:35,256 --> 00:26:41,316 Why would your dad have him followed? Exactly. I said, "Don't be stupid! 270 00:26:41,316 --> 00:26:49,256 "If anyone has a reason to check you out, it's Guy. You're marrying his mum." But Carl wouldn't hear it. 271 00:26:49,256 --> 00:26:52,876 He liked Guy, yeah? He loved Guy. 272 00:26:52,876 --> 00:26:55,276 He was everything Carl wanted to be. 273 00:26:57,076 --> 00:27:01,696 When Guy told Carl he was like a brother to him, Carl lapped it up. 274 00:27:01,696 --> 00:27:04,236 But I didn't buy it. 275 00:27:04,236 --> 00:27:10,456 Fiona, are you prepared to talk to us about what happened the morning of the massacre? 276 00:27:12,676 --> 00:27:15,356 All right - if it'll help Carl. 277 00:27:18,936 --> 00:27:25,156 I was upstairs in my old bedroom. You were still living at home? No, I was three-months pregnant. 278 00:27:25,156 --> 00:27:30,036 'My mum said why don't I come home for the weekend and she'd spoil me. 279 00:27:30,036 --> 00:27:34,036 'I had the TV on and I heard the doorbell.' 280 00:27:34,036 --> 00:27:36,576 DOORBELL RINGS 281 00:27:36,576 --> 00:27:40,596 'Then I heard this voice. A man's voice. 282 00:27:40,596 --> 00:27:43,136 'It wasn't Carl, no way. 283 00:27:43,136 --> 00:27:47,516 'It was a deep voice and he was angry.' 284 00:27:47,516 --> 00:27:50,456 MUFFLED VOICE, THEN GUNSHOTS 285 00:28:05,176 --> 00:28:07,136 I was very lucky. 286 00:28:13,436 --> 00:28:16,076 What happened to your baby? 287 00:28:21,016 --> 00:28:24,376 I had a miscarriage. Little girl. 288 00:28:26,296 --> 00:28:32,196 I lost her father, too. I mean, who wants to be with Carl Mackenzie's sister? 289 00:28:41,302 --> 00:28:43,462 Dr Wharton? 290 00:28:43,462 --> 00:28:47,522 Hi. You're not what I expected. Oh, sorry. 291 00:28:47,522 --> 00:28:52,902 No, it's a pleasant surprise. I hope I can help. I'm Andrew Cross. How do you do? Hi. 292 00:28:52,902 --> 00:28:59,442 I run courses for firearm officers, refresher and beginners. So you're not an operational team member? 293 00:28:59,442 --> 00:29:06,002 No. They want us to handle firearms and shotgun licensing too, so I'll get home even less. 294 00:29:06,002 --> 00:29:10,822 Have you a family? One day. You? Not yet. This is Dr Wharton. 295 00:29:10,822 --> 00:29:12,902 Frankie, please. Beth Downing. 296 00:29:12,902 --> 00:29:18,582 This gun is similar to the one Mackenzie used at the massacre - a Heckler and Koch MP5. 297 00:29:18,582 --> 00:29:24,622 Similar, but not identical? His was a Turkish import, but it's basically the same gun. 298 00:29:24,622 --> 00:29:29,342 It's a lightweight weapon that can be shouldered or hand fired. 299 00:29:29,342 --> 00:29:36,362 Real name "HK54", but it got the name "MP5" from the West German Border Guard during the Cold War. 300 00:29:36,362 --> 00:29:42,382 I'm sure Dr Wharton didn't come here for a history lesson. No, it's very interesting. 301 00:29:42,382 --> 00:29:46,722 Did you know Carl Mackenzie had no firearms experience whatsoever? 302 00:29:46,722 --> 00:29:49,302 You wouldn't need much for this. 303 00:29:51,602 --> 00:29:54,442 OK. Your gun is ready to fire. 304 00:29:54,442 --> 00:29:59,422 Look down and aim through the sight. Just squeeze off gently, OK? 305 00:30:06,262 --> 00:30:08,962 My God, there's no recoil! 306 00:30:24,362 --> 00:30:28,322 See? Anyone can do it. That was good. 307 00:30:30,122 --> 00:30:34,282 How hard would it be to get hold of one of these? Illegally? 308 00:30:34,282 --> 00:30:37,122 Well, yeah. I don't know. Why? 309 00:30:37,122 --> 00:30:39,742 Well, if Carl Mackenzie is guilty... 310 00:30:39,742 --> 00:30:43,882 Carl Mackenzie is a convicted murderer. Of course. 311 00:30:43,882 --> 00:30:47,262 He also tried to kill me. Carry on. I'm sorry. 312 00:30:47,262 --> 00:30:52,042 What's your question? Haven't you wondered how he got hold of the gun? 313 00:30:52,042 --> 00:30:56,722 A Turkish import? It's never crossed my mind. Well, it's crossed mine. 314 00:30:56,722 --> 00:31:02,462 Without any contacts, it'd be tricky, especially the Turkish model. I don't... OK, Andrew. 315 00:31:05,042 --> 00:31:07,822 What are you trying to unpick here? 316 00:31:07,822 --> 00:31:11,022 Nothing. Nothing at all. 317 00:31:11,022 --> 00:31:14,082 Thank you for showing me around. 318 00:31:14,082 --> 00:31:17,262 I'll show you out. Thanks. 319 00:31:18,322 --> 00:31:20,502 Boyd? Yes. 320 00:31:20,502 --> 00:31:26,262 I've just seen Andrew Cross. He said the gun Mackenzie used wasn't just an MP5. 321 00:31:26,262 --> 00:31:28,402 It was an Turkish import. So? 322 00:31:28,402 --> 00:31:35,082 Cross said he couldn't have got hold of it without serious connections. He had a record for fare dodging... 323 00:31:35,082 --> 00:31:37,182 Maybe he had serious connections. 324 00:31:37,182 --> 00:31:41,382 Who with? He lived with an old biddy and restored furniture for a living! 325 00:31:41,382 --> 00:31:48,722 Carl Mackenzie got hold of a gun. I don't know where from, who from. It doesn't matter. He had a gun. 326 00:31:48,722 --> 00:31:51,582 It's very illuminating. Thank you. 327 00:31:51,582 --> 00:31:55,842 I've researched indiscriminate killers. Spree killers? 328 00:31:55,842 --> 00:32:00,962 Apart from one factor, Mackenzie doesn't fit. What's the profile? 329 00:32:00,962 --> 00:32:05,442 The limited cases available suggest the killers are single and lonely - 330 00:32:05,442 --> 00:32:09,622 which Carl Mackenzie wasn't - and that they're obsessed with guns. 331 00:32:09,622 --> 00:32:17,422 As a sexual compensation thing? No, you'd expect an excessive interest in guns prior to offending. 332 00:32:17,422 --> 00:32:22,142 Mackenzie didn't have a gun, he'd never applied for a licence for... 333 00:32:22,142 --> 00:32:26,082 You said in one respect he DID fit the profile. He's a man. 334 00:32:26,082 --> 00:32:28,842 Well...sorry, boys. 335 00:32:28,842 --> 00:32:33,822 OK. Mel, where is he held? Bridwell High Security Unit. 336 00:32:33,822 --> 00:32:38,222 OK, make some calls. What are you going to do? Bring him here. 337 00:32:38,222 --> 00:32:44,102 Are YOU going to see him? I thought we could do the interview together. Together. OK. Thank you. 338 00:33:12,402 --> 00:33:15,842 Sit down, please. Thank you. 339 00:33:19,382 --> 00:33:22,122 Carl Mackenzie. DSI Boyd. 340 00:33:22,122 --> 00:33:26,042 This is Dr Grace Foley. Grace. Hello. Markland, 341 00:33:26,042 --> 00:33:30,082 Stephen Markland. Hi. Please... Thank you. 342 00:33:33,502 --> 00:33:35,302 So... 343 00:33:36,702 --> 00:33:41,682 ..what do you do to make ends meet, Grace? I'm a forensic psychologist. 344 00:33:42,982 --> 00:33:47,722 Ah. I did mention that. Is that a problem? 345 00:33:47,722 --> 00:33:49,802 Don't know. 346 00:33:49,802 --> 00:33:52,642 Do you have open minds? Of course. 347 00:33:54,482 --> 00:33:56,562 Do YOU? 348 00:33:56,562 --> 00:33:58,042 Yes. 349 00:33:59,242 --> 00:34:03,462 Good. Because Stephen was absolutely against me doing this interview, 350 00:34:03,462 --> 00:34:08,002 but, I, on the other hand, am a firm believer in giving people a chance. 351 00:34:08,002 --> 00:34:10,102 Yeah. So are we. 352 00:34:11,362 --> 00:34:16,722 Good. Perhaps we can...help each other, then. I'm sure we can. 353 00:34:16,722 --> 00:34:23,122 Carl, I'd like to start by asking you a few questions about events before the massacre. 354 00:34:23,122 --> 00:34:26,902 I believe you were engaged to Monica Reynolds. 355 00:34:26,902 --> 00:34:29,682 How did that relationship start? 356 00:34:29,682 --> 00:34:34,662 I worked for her as a handyman, restoring furniture and things. 357 00:34:34,662 --> 00:34:37,522 We fell in love. 358 00:34:37,522 --> 00:34:41,822 People presumed it was because of Monica's wealth, but it wasn't. 359 00:34:41,822 --> 00:34:46,342 By people, you mean Monica's son? No. I got on very well with Guy. 360 00:34:46,342 --> 00:34:53,622 He didn't mind you marrying his mother? No. Not at all. He threw a sublime engagement party for us. 361 00:34:53,622 --> 00:34:58,702 Did your parents go? No, my sister went. Why didn't they go? 362 00:34:58,702 --> 00:35:04,002 My father couldn't see why I wanted to marry Monica. Did that annoy you? 363 00:35:04,002 --> 00:35:09,262 You mean, did it make me want to go and blow his brains out? 364 00:35:09,262 --> 00:35:14,382 No, Detective Boyd. In fact, it made me... It made me terribly sad. 365 00:35:14,382 --> 00:35:19,122 Because you were happy and you wanted him to share it? 366 00:35:19,122 --> 00:35:24,322 I should've expected it, really. You see, my father was a builder. 367 00:35:24,322 --> 00:35:29,282 I loved him to bits and pieces, but it was stamped on his soul. 368 00:35:29,282 --> 00:35:35,522 It's funny, because he thought there'd been a frightful hospital mix-up and I was the son of a Duke. 369 00:35:36,682 --> 00:35:41,762 You see, that's why I'm here. You see, I'm... I'm different. 370 00:35:41,762 --> 00:35:45,102 That's why you're here? That's why I was chosen. 371 00:35:45,102 --> 00:35:50,862 Before everyone panics, not by the Devil or God or anything, but... 372 00:35:52,722 --> 00:35:55,362 ..I was chosen by someone. 373 00:35:56,502 --> 00:35:59,102 Please, don't stop now. 374 00:35:59,102 --> 00:36:05,642 Detective Boyd, were you personally involved in the massacre? No. Do you know someone who was? 375 00:36:07,022 --> 00:36:09,842 Yes. Yes, I do. 376 00:36:11,542 --> 00:36:15,982 Let me guess... Oh, yes - the policeman, Nick Patterson, 377 00:36:15,982 --> 00:36:20,322 the one who was found killed inside the stairwell? 378 00:36:21,362 --> 00:36:24,322 Well, you have my sympathy. 379 00:36:26,782 --> 00:36:29,682 I said, you have my sympathy. 380 00:36:34,002 --> 00:36:38,422 Right, Stephen, this is a complete waste of time. That's our decision. 381 00:36:38,422 --> 00:36:44,902 I have an open mind. I wouldn't be here if... I think you just want the inside story on my appeal. 382 00:36:44,902 --> 00:36:48,482 If your story's true, you have nothing to hide. 383 00:36:48,482 --> 00:36:52,402 My client has made his feelings clear. Let's... Sit down. 384 00:36:54,102 --> 00:37:01,642 If the person who killed my friend is walking free, I'd like to meet him. You and I can help each other. 385 00:37:07,422 --> 00:37:09,422 Yes, fair enough. 386 00:37:12,142 --> 00:37:14,662 Right, well... 387 00:37:14,662 --> 00:37:19,742 it started as I took my dog, Fred, to Whitewater Common, 388 00:37:19,742 --> 00:37:24,622 like I normally do each morning, for a walk. That day was no different. 389 00:37:25,962 --> 00:37:30,342 I was crossing the car park, when I noticed the camper van to my left. 390 00:37:30,342 --> 00:37:33,122 Why did you notice it? 391 00:37:33,122 --> 00:37:38,962 It looked scruffy. It was an interesting shade of blue... out of place. 392 00:37:40,142 --> 00:37:43,722 There's this wooded area beyond the car park 393 00:37:43,722 --> 00:37:48,342 and Fred used to run down there every time I let him off the lead. 394 00:37:48,342 --> 00:37:51,722 GUNSHOT 395 00:37:51,722 --> 00:37:53,822 'I heard a shot.' 396 00:37:53,822 --> 00:37:58,422 FRED! 'I called for him for a moment and then I went down there.' 397 00:37:58,422 --> 00:38:03,082 You ran towards the shot? ..Yes. 398 00:38:03,082 --> 00:38:07,122 You weren't scared? I loved my dog. 399 00:38:08,222 --> 00:38:09,442 Oh. 400 00:38:09,442 --> 00:38:11,042 FRED! 401 00:38:20,462 --> 00:38:21,422 Fred! 402 00:38:23,342 --> 00:38:27,342 'I became aware of someone standing behind me. 403 00:38:28,802 --> 00:38:31,522 'I looked up and there was a man.' 404 00:38:32,642 --> 00:38:36,662 What did this man look like? Well, he looked... 405 00:38:36,662 --> 00:38:38,942 a little like that. 406 00:38:42,282 --> 00:38:46,142 He, um, smiled and then, um... 407 00:38:47,242 --> 00:38:52,362 ..blackout. Nothing. He must've hit me with the butt of his gun. 408 00:38:52,362 --> 00:38:58,802 When I came to, I was in the camper van and I heard this loud explosion right beside...right by my ear. 409 00:38:58,802 --> 00:39:02,602 I opened the door and realised it was gunfire. 410 00:39:02,602 --> 00:39:06,462 People shouting, yelling, screaming, "Put your hands up!" 411 00:39:06,462 --> 00:39:10,762 But pretty little Beth Downing shot me anyway. 412 00:39:10,762 --> 00:39:16,042 That's why I had defensive wounds on my hand and shoulder. 413 00:39:16,042 --> 00:39:21,302 I must have blacked out, because the next thing I realised 414 00:39:21,302 --> 00:39:25,862 was that I was in a hospital bed surrounded by armed officers 415 00:39:25,862 --> 00:39:29,862 and everybody was treating me like the devil. 416 00:39:41,982 --> 00:39:47,302 This is the man Mackenzie claims abducted him. All he needs is a scar and a... 417 00:39:47,302 --> 00:39:51,302 So you don't believe it? It's not a question of what I believe. 418 00:39:51,302 --> 00:39:55,702 We test the story to destruction. Find who shot his dog. Where is it? 419 00:39:55,702 --> 00:40:01,262 Nesbit supervised a day-long search on February 14th. They found nothing. 420 00:40:01,262 --> 00:40:04,082 You sure about that? Yeah. Why? 421 00:40:04,082 --> 00:40:10,062 February 14th, Nesbit was conducting his interview with Martin Corgan. Well, get Nesbit in. 422 00:40:10,062 --> 00:40:15,342 I called him about the camper van. He's on holiday in France till the weekend. 423 00:40:15,342 --> 00:40:18,942 I hope he's having a lovely time(!) What about the van? 424 00:40:18,942 --> 00:40:25,422 According to Nesbit's file, it was stolen from a dealership in Essex. Check it out! Don't believe Nesbit! 425 00:40:25,422 --> 00:40:27,782 Come on, man! Move! 426 00:40:33,162 --> 00:40:37,722 Hang on a minute. This was mentioned in Carl Mackenzie's statement. 427 00:40:37,722 --> 00:40:40,162 Look, it's the motorbike. 428 00:40:45,122 --> 00:40:47,182 Look at this. 429 00:40:53,742 --> 00:40:55,542 OK... 430 00:41:21,622 --> 00:41:25,982 DC Silver, Dr Grace Foley. We'd like to see Monica Reynolds. I'm sorry, 431 00:41:25,982 --> 00:41:29,542 she's out. Are you Guy? Yes. Can we speak to you? 432 00:41:29,542 --> 00:41:33,862 It's important. Well, I am in the middle of lunch, but why not? 433 00:41:33,862 --> 00:41:36,082 Come in. Thank you. Thank you. 434 00:41:37,442 --> 00:41:39,882 Do, please, sit down. 435 00:41:39,882 --> 00:41:43,842 This is Janice. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you, too, Janice. 436 00:41:45,962 --> 00:41:49,542 This is about Mackenzie, isn't it? Yes. 437 00:41:49,542 --> 00:41:55,362 Sorry about this, darling. Do you want me to go? No, no, it won't take long. 438 00:41:56,522 --> 00:42:01,222 Right. OK. Does your mother ever visit Carl Mackenzie in prison? 439 00:42:01,222 --> 00:42:03,882 You must be joking. No, I'm not. 440 00:42:03,882 --> 00:42:08,802 On top of the human tragedy, he almost destroyed our family name. 441 00:42:08,802 --> 00:42:11,542 Almost destroyed Reynolds Mining(?) 442 00:42:11,542 --> 00:42:16,802 A small consideration in the scheme of things, I know, but yes, he did. 443 00:42:16,802 --> 00:42:19,382 Wine? No. Thank you. No, thanks. 444 00:42:20,422 --> 00:42:22,882 The dog was shot just like he said. 445 00:42:22,882 --> 00:42:28,522 So he killed his dog before graduating to people. I also found this. 446 00:42:28,522 --> 00:42:33,682 There's a lot of blood on it and it's not the dog. 447 00:42:33,682 --> 00:42:38,762 Whose is it, Mackenzie's? I'm checking, but it could be unrelated. 448 00:42:38,762 --> 00:42:43,702 How long will it take? As long as it takes. That's a good answer. 449 00:42:43,702 --> 00:42:48,822 If they had married, would Carl have had control of Reynolds Mining? No. 450 00:42:48,822 --> 00:42:53,042 Could your mother have bestowed one on him? Technically, I suppose. 451 00:42:53,042 --> 00:42:57,542 The thought never occurred to me and I'm sure it never did to Carl. 452 00:42:57,542 --> 00:43:02,342 He was happy mending furniture and walking his dog! Not that happy. 453 00:43:02,342 --> 00:43:06,462 Is there anything else? I'd like to finish my lunch. One other thing. 454 00:43:06,462 --> 00:43:12,342 After he moved in, did he ever have friends to the house? No. 455 00:43:12,342 --> 00:43:14,602 No, never. No. 456 00:43:14,602 --> 00:43:17,062 Why do you ask that? 457 00:43:17,062 --> 00:43:20,742 Did he ever go out to meet people...friends? 458 00:43:20,742 --> 00:43:25,222 No. To be honest, I don't think he really had any friends. 459 00:43:25,222 --> 00:43:29,662 When we had the engagement party, I said to invite his friends, 460 00:43:29,662 --> 00:43:34,282 but he only asked his sister. Is that you, Guy? 461 00:43:34,282 --> 00:43:36,582 Who's there? 462 00:43:38,322 --> 00:43:41,122 I thought you were resting, Mummy. 463 00:43:42,242 --> 00:43:46,102 - Who are you? - Police officers, Mrs Reynolds. 464 00:43:46,102 --> 00:43:51,282 Oh. I've talked to them. Why not...? We would like to talk to you, Mrs Reynolds. 465 00:43:51,282 --> 00:43:53,322 Is it about Carl? 466 00:43:53,322 --> 00:43:55,082 Yes, it is. 467 00:43:55,082 --> 00:43:59,882 If you're too tired, Mummy, they'll understand. I think perhaps I am. 468 00:43:59,882 --> 00:44:03,522 I'm sorry. Perhaps we could talk tomorrow? 469 00:44:03,522 --> 00:44:07,882 Yes, if that's all right with Guy. Goodbye. 470 00:44:16,562 --> 00:44:23,882 I think Fiona Mackenzie's right. Guy Reynolds spends too much energy playing the decent, put-upon son. 471 00:44:23,882 --> 00:44:26,942 You didn't like him? I think he's a liar. 472 00:44:26,942 --> 00:44:31,042 He's in mining. What do you expect? "Test the story to destruction." 473 00:44:31,042 --> 00:44:34,262 We're doing it. What's he lying about? 474 00:44:34,262 --> 00:44:41,322 Suppose he wasn't happy about the marriage and just let on he was and the party was part of that pretence. 475 00:44:41,322 --> 00:44:45,522 You didn't answer. There's only one reason he'd do that. 476 00:44:45,522 --> 00:44:49,742 Guy made sure he never made it up the aisle, or paid someone to. Oh! 477 00:44:49,742 --> 00:44:55,802 That's an extreme way of getting a wedding cancelled! So how did Mackenzie get the gun? 478 00:44:55,802 --> 00:45:00,722 How does a friendless furniture restorer get a Turkish machine gun? 479 00:45:00,722 --> 00:45:06,462 Guy Reynolds had the motive and the means. It's something we've got to examine. 480 00:45:06,462 --> 00:45:11,582 OK. Let's examine it, shall we, ladies? Would you like to sit down, Mel? 481 00:45:16,782 --> 00:45:20,642 Why set Carl up? Why not just kill him? 482 00:45:20,642 --> 00:45:24,982 Why kill 14 people and leave the person you want eliminated alive? 483 00:45:33,605 --> 00:45:37,285 Boyd. This is Andrew Cross. Yes, we've met. 484 00:45:37,285 --> 00:45:42,105 Andrew noticed something interesting about Martin Corgan's Range Rover. 485 00:45:42,105 --> 00:45:44,745 It's probably nothing. I better go. 486 00:45:44,745 --> 00:45:48,145 You might as well tell us what it is. 487 00:45:48,145 --> 00:45:52,165 Martin Corgan said he threw himself across his wife, right? 488 00:45:52,165 --> 00:45:58,805 Right... Look at the bullet holes. If he had been there, he couldn't have survived. The hole is too low. 489 00:45:58,805 --> 00:46:03,205 Even if he had leaned across to save his wife, no matter how low he went, 490 00:46:03,205 --> 00:46:07,485 he would still have sustained an injury from that bullet. 491 00:46:07,485 --> 00:46:13,605 He lied about being there? It's tough to prove without the vehicle, but you should interview him again. 492 00:46:13,605 --> 00:46:19,265 Where is the vehicle? It was written-off in an accident a couple of years later. 493 00:46:23,185 --> 00:46:25,985 Thank you. Yeah. OK. 494 00:46:25,985 --> 00:46:31,645 Andrew, thanks a lot. If there's anything else you need - work or...otherwise, 495 00:46:31,645 --> 00:46:33,625 you've got my mobile. 496 00:46:37,405 --> 00:46:39,845 Work or otherwise? Shut up. 497 00:46:42,505 --> 00:46:47,805 I've got to check a few things out, Frankie, so I would appreciate it 498 00:46:47,805 --> 00:46:53,185 if you could keep these to yourself...for a couple of days. 499 00:46:55,745 --> 00:46:57,005 OK. 500 00:46:58,225 --> 00:46:59,745 Thank you. 501 00:47:14,685 --> 00:47:22,025 I checked on the camper van. It was traded in at Palace Cars in Essex two months before the massacre. 502 00:47:22,025 --> 00:47:25,865 Nesbit must've checked that. It's not in the file. 503 00:47:25,865 --> 00:47:28,485 What's Nesbit doing these days? 504 00:47:28,485 --> 00:47:32,465 He retired last year. Thank God for that. 505 00:47:35,025 --> 00:47:39,645 Thanks for coming. No problem. You were right about the investigation. 506 00:47:39,645 --> 00:47:46,605 It's unravelling on you? Minute by minute. I feared that. At least you have a chance to make things right. 507 00:47:46,605 --> 00:47:53,265 There's some things I'd like to nail down and it'd be useful to hear your account of what happened. 508 00:47:53,265 --> 00:47:59,805 I've seen worse things in Northern Ireland when I was 18. I'll talk about it till people go blue. OK. 509 00:47:59,805 --> 00:48:02,725 Mel, any chance of a cup of tea? 510 00:48:02,725 --> 00:48:08,005 It's a big car park, hard to secure. Lots of ups and downs - 511 00:48:08,005 --> 00:48:11,425 ramps, stairwells, lifts. You worked in pairs? 512 00:48:11,425 --> 00:48:16,705 Yes. I was with Beth Downing. And Nick was with...? Andrew, my son. 513 00:48:16,705 --> 00:48:20,485 He's no longer an active member of the unit? 514 00:48:20,485 --> 00:48:26,345 No, he isn't. Not since Whitewater. Sorry. He told me all about that. 515 00:48:26,345 --> 00:48:27,945 Mm-hm. 516 00:48:30,365 --> 00:48:34,565 They got...separated, Andrew and Nick. 517 00:48:34,565 --> 00:48:37,345 They were in the back stairwell 518 00:48:37,345 --> 00:48:41,925 and they found Debbie Thomas hiding by the lifts on the fourth floor. 519 00:48:44,225 --> 00:48:49,065 All clear. Keep going... All clear... Keep going, keep going. 520 00:48:54,065 --> 00:48:56,145 Sarge! 521 00:48:56,145 --> 00:48:59,005 Wait... Keep going, keep going... 522 00:48:59,005 --> 00:49:01,805 I don't want to go! All clear. 523 00:49:01,805 --> 00:49:05,885 They wanted to get her out, but she was too scared to move. 524 00:49:05,885 --> 00:49:10,465 So Nick stayed with her while Andrew went up top. 525 00:49:10,465 --> 00:49:14,385 Before he got there, he heard shots. We all did. 526 00:49:14,385 --> 00:49:16,385 All clear. 527 00:49:16,385 --> 00:49:18,345 No target, Sarge. 528 00:49:18,345 --> 00:49:20,125 Can't see him. 529 00:49:20,945 --> 00:49:23,845 TWO GUNSHOTS ECHO 530 00:49:28,265 --> 00:49:31,085 MAN DOWN! MAN DOWN! 531 00:49:33,285 --> 00:49:43,525 You cornered Mackenzie on the top floor, didn't you? That's right. 532 00:49:43,525 --> 00:49:47,865 Yeah, I will. I will. 533 00:49:47,865 --> 00:49:53,825 Have you thought about Mackenzie's story that he was set up by the real gunman? 534 00:49:53,825 --> 00:49:55,945 No. No, I haven't. 535 00:50:02,625 --> 00:50:06,765 When we got to the top floor, the first thing we saw 536 00:50:06,765 --> 00:50:08,905 was the Corgans. 537 00:50:11,545 --> 00:50:13,885 Then we saw the camper van. 538 00:50:16,905 --> 00:50:19,825 We were very exposed. 539 00:50:24,305 --> 00:50:25,405 Go. 540 00:50:26,665 --> 00:50:29,625 GUNSHOT 541 00:50:29,625 --> 00:50:34,065 I was feeling very relaxed...really, 542 00:50:34,065 --> 00:50:38,045 but the thought in my mind was that I was going to die 543 00:50:38,045 --> 00:50:42,945 and there was nothing that I could do to stop it. 544 00:50:44,665 --> 00:50:47,005 Then suddenly, he was there. 545 00:50:50,805 --> 00:50:52,505 Armed police! 546 00:50:52,505 --> 00:50:54,785 Put your weapon down! 547 00:51:06,345 --> 00:51:12,805 Beth shot him in the shoulder. Over he went. But the bullet went through Mackenzie's palm, 548 00:51:12,805 --> 00:51:15,185 didn't it? So? 549 00:51:16,325 --> 00:51:19,545 How could he have been holding the gun? 550 00:51:20,685 --> 00:51:25,385 Well, MP5s aren't very heavy. He must've been using it one-handed. 551 00:51:27,685 --> 00:51:30,925 But you don't remember...exactly? 552 00:51:30,925 --> 00:51:33,325 Uh... 553 00:51:33,325 --> 00:51:38,145 You know, to be honest, it all happened very fast. 554 00:51:40,185 --> 00:51:43,645 I know. I understand. I understand that. 555 00:51:43,645 --> 00:51:50,125 Well, uh, thanks. I'm sorry you didn't get any tea, but... you know how things are. Yeah. 556 00:51:50,125 --> 00:51:52,865 There's one more question... 557 00:51:52,865 --> 00:51:57,605 Do you remember which seat Martin Corgan sat in, in the Range Rover? 558 00:51:57,605 --> 00:52:00,205 Yes, it was the passenger seat. 559 00:52:00,205 --> 00:52:05,885 He would've driven off otherwise, wouldn't he? Yeah... I suppose he would. 560 00:52:09,565 --> 00:52:14,845 Sorry, mate, just closing up. If you're serious, I'll stay open. 561 00:52:14,845 --> 00:52:19,825 I am serious, but I'm not after a car. DS Jordan, Cold Case Squad. 562 00:52:19,825 --> 00:52:23,545 I'm trying to trace...this vehicle. 563 00:52:23,545 --> 00:52:30,885 The previous owner, a Donald Christie, said you exchanged it for a Fiesta in November 1996. 564 00:52:30,885 --> 00:52:36,185 So? What happened to it then? It was nicked off the lot. It happens. 565 00:52:36,185 --> 00:52:40,665 You've got a very good memory. Look, I know what this is about. 566 00:52:40,665 --> 00:52:44,965 That was the van that was found at Whitewater. I've been there before. 567 00:52:44,965 --> 00:52:50,385 Sorry...you've been questioned about this before? Yep. By who? 568 00:52:50,385 --> 00:52:52,925 Your colleague, DCI Nesbit. 569 00:52:52,925 --> 00:52:58,985 Nesbit? Yeah, so why don't you just compare notes with him and let me get on, eh? 570 00:52:58,985 --> 00:53:02,405 DCI Nesbit is retired now. Not my problem. 571 00:53:02,405 --> 00:53:08,925 Carl Mackenzie is appealing against his convicion - 14 counts of murder, including two children. 572 00:53:08,925 --> 00:53:13,305 What's it got to do with me?! That's what I'm trying to find out. 573 00:53:18,365 --> 00:53:22,805 This business is all I've got. What makes you say that? 574 00:53:25,265 --> 00:53:29,765 Is he going to get off? Why did you say, "This is all I've got"? 575 00:53:29,765 --> 00:53:33,345 I didn't threaten your business. Ah, forget it. 576 00:53:33,345 --> 00:53:36,165 Tell me about the camper van. 577 00:53:38,705 --> 00:53:42,785 I sold it the day before the massacre. To who? 578 00:53:42,785 --> 00:53:45,865 To who?! It wasn't Carl Mackenzie. 579 00:53:45,865 --> 00:53:49,745 He was rougher. He paid with cash - new 50s. 580 00:53:49,745 --> 00:53:54,065 His name? Can't remember. It wasn't his real name. How do you know? 581 00:53:54,065 --> 00:54:01,085 Nesbit told me. I told him this, but he said if anyone asked to say the van was nicked off the lot. 582 00:54:01,085 --> 00:54:03,145 What was in it for you? 583 00:54:03,145 --> 00:54:07,185 I'd been a bit lax with vehicle registration documents. 584 00:54:07,185 --> 00:54:09,765 Nesbit used it against you? 585 00:54:11,025 --> 00:54:12,865 Christ. 586 00:54:13,945 --> 00:54:16,665 Is this who you sold the van to? 587 00:54:55,577 --> 00:55:02,277 You were lying. I was lucky. You weren't there! What?! You didn't protect your wife! Yes, I did! 588 00:55:02,277 --> 00:55:08,717 You weren't even in the car! Tell me the truth or I'll arrest you for perverting the course of justice! 589 00:55:16,797 --> 00:55:19,037 We were leaving the supermarket... 590 00:55:20,237 --> 00:55:22,957 I was pushing the trolley. 591 00:55:22,957 --> 00:55:25,537 When we got to the car, 592 00:55:25,537 --> 00:55:30,237 my wife got in the driving seat and I put the shopping in the back. 593 00:55:30,237 --> 00:55:34,917 Just as I shut the boot... TWO GUNSHOTS 594 00:55:39,177 --> 00:55:42,297 Help me. ANOTHER SHOT 595 00:55:43,437 --> 00:55:45,117 Help me. 596 00:55:49,317 --> 00:55:51,877 "Help me". That's what she said. 597 00:55:51,877 --> 00:55:54,517 "Help me". 598 00:55:54,517 --> 00:55:58,517 She was crying for me and I just couldn't move. 599 00:56:01,577 --> 00:56:04,297 What did you see? 600 00:56:10,997 --> 00:56:14,137 MORE GUNSHOTS 601 00:56:19,917 --> 00:56:22,297 It could have been anyone. 602 00:56:24,797 --> 00:56:27,217 That's the truth. 603 00:56:31,937 --> 00:56:39,177 Why did you lie? Because I knew it was him. After his picture was all over the papers the next day?! 604 00:56:39,177 --> 00:56:43,597 You didn't even see him! I...! You lied for your wife, didn't you?! 605 00:56:43,597 --> 00:56:46,197 Didn't you?! DIDN'T YOU?! 606 00:56:51,397 --> 00:56:52,937 Didn't you? 607 00:56:55,837 --> 00:56:56,917 Yes. 608 00:57:03,957 --> 00:57:06,017 What will you do? 609 00:57:06,017 --> 00:57:10,857 Will he be released because of me? What...? What will you do? 610 00:57:21,497 --> 00:57:24,397 Nothing for now. 611 00:57:27,657 --> 00:57:29,637 Thank you. 612 00:57:29,637 --> 00:57:32,137 Just go. 613 00:57:33,857 --> 00:57:35,937 Just get out of here. 614 00:57:35,937 --> 00:57:40,337 See him out of the building, will you, please? 615 00:57:42,757 --> 00:57:47,097 PHONE RINGS 616 00:57:56,217 --> 00:57:59,157 PHONE KEEPS RINGING 617 00:58:12,897 --> 00:58:15,797 BEEPING 618 00:58:16,837 --> 00:58:20,137 RINGING TONE 619 00:58:20,137 --> 00:58:23,517 DISTANT PHONE RINGS 56885

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