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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,533 --> 00:00:01,333 [thunderclap] 2 00:00:08,333 --> 00:00:12,333 [screaming] 3 00:00:20,933 --> 00:00:24,333 - [Newscaster] A riot has erupted at the Patterson Theater 4 00:00:24,367 --> 00:00:26,967 in Baltimore during a midnight screening of a horror film. 5 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,200 - [Man] They burned that film. 6 00:00:32,167 --> 00:00:33,767 - [Reporter] There is some speculation 7 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:35,267 that the body may be that 8 00:00:35,300 --> 00:00:37,233 of local filmmaker Karl Atticus. 9 00:00:37,267 --> 00:00:38,833 - [Trooper] A weapon was located near the body 10 00:00:38,867 --> 00:00:40,233 that's capable of producing the type 11 00:00:40,267 --> 00:00:41,533 of trauma that was displayed. 12 00:00:41,567 --> 00:00:43,467 - [Man] I don't think anybody liked the guy. 13 00:00:43,500 --> 00:00:44,700 I'm not surprised he's dead. 14 00:00:44,733 --> 00:00:45,667 He's probably rotting in hell 15 00:00:45,700 --> 00:00:47,967 where he belongs. 16 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:48,967 - Do you know anything about Karl Atticus? 17 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:50,533 - That's a name I know. 18 00:00:50,567 --> 00:00:53,000 He was renowned for using dead bodies in his films. 19 00:00:53,033 --> 00:00:54,167 - You're better off not even 20 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:55,800 mentioning his name. 21 00:00:55,833 --> 00:00:56,900 - That name is a death sentence 22 00:00:56,933 --> 00:00:58,767 for anyone in the film industry! 23 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,933 - Listen, too many people disappeared 24 00:01:01,967 --> 00:01:03,367 after that movie... 25 00:01:04,467 --> 00:01:06,933 - [Man] Devil made that film... 26 00:01:06,967 --> 00:01:09,633 Devil made that film. 27 00:01:12,133 --> 00:01:14,567 [eerie piano theme] 28 00:01:38,333 --> 00:01:42,167 - We were actually shooting "Blair Witch" 29 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,600 in the fall of '97 30 00:01:44,633 --> 00:01:46,733 and there was a guy on the set 31 00:01:46,767 --> 00:01:49,767 that we hired and he was kind 32 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,100 of an expert on all kinds 33 00:01:51,133 --> 00:01:52,500 of mythology of Maryland. 34 00:01:52,533 --> 00:01:53,700 He was kind of helping us build 35 00:01:53,733 --> 00:01:55,567 the mythology and stuff for "Blair Witch." 36 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,133 And he started telling us about "Mortal Remains" 37 00:01:58,167 --> 00:01:59,500 and this guy Karl Atticus 38 00:01:59,533 --> 00:02:01,867 who was this filmmaker that was 39 00:02:01,900 --> 00:02:04,133 supposedly a member of a cult 40 00:02:04,167 --> 00:02:05,900 and the rumor was that he was 41 00:02:05,933 --> 00:02:08,500 taking bodies out of cemeteries 42 00:02:08,533 --> 00:02:09,700 and then shooting his films 43 00:02:09,733 --> 00:02:11,733 with these cadavers. 44 00:02:11,767 --> 00:02:12,800 He did this film 45 00:02:12,833 --> 00:02:15,467 and it never was released, 46 00:02:15,500 --> 00:02:17,867 all the prints were destroyed. 47 00:02:17,900 --> 00:02:20,133 And then he supposedly killed himself. 48 00:02:20,167 --> 00:02:21,633 - [Mark] Ed Sanchez mentioned that you told him about 49 00:02:21,667 --> 00:02:24,100 a Baltimore filmmaker from the '70s, some guy named Karl-- 50 00:02:24,133 --> 00:02:25,567 - He told you about this? 51 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,067 This is not something I should have ever told him about. 52 00:02:29,100 --> 00:02:33,267 You mention this guy's name, and bad stuff starts happening. 53 00:02:37,833 --> 00:02:39,567 - [Chris] -Karl Atticus? 54 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:40,967 - Yeah, I remember him, he was 55 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,300 a fairly unpleasant individual. 56 00:02:42,333 --> 00:02:43,833 - Really? 57 00:02:43,867 --> 00:02:44,800 - Yeah, I didn't like working with him but I had to work, 58 00:02:44,833 --> 00:02:45,767 it was a job. 59 00:02:47,167 --> 00:02:48,300 - [Mark] Would you happen to also know where a 60 00:02:48,333 --> 00:02:50,300 print of the film is? 61 00:02:50,333 --> 00:02:53,000 Nobody seems to be able to find a copy of "Mortal Remains," 62 00:02:53,033 --> 00:02:54,867 a print of the actual film itself. 63 00:02:54,900 --> 00:02:57,000 - [Man] Hopefully it's buried somewhere. 64 00:02:57,033 --> 00:03:01,267 And who knows, he might have people buried with it. 65 00:03:02,700 --> 00:03:04,633 - They were what my father would call "butcher films." 66 00:03:04,667 --> 00:03:06,300 - That movie is sick! It's sick! 67 00:03:06,333 --> 00:03:09,300 - Can you tell me what was so disturbing about it? 68 00:03:09,333 --> 00:03:10,733 - Right after "Blair Witch," 69 00:03:10,767 --> 00:03:12,267 people were sending me all kinds of things, 70 00:03:12,300 --> 00:03:14,867 on VHS and e-mail and stuff. 71 00:03:16,300 --> 00:03:19,500 Somebody sent me an e-mail with a Quicktime on it, 72 00:03:20,967 --> 00:03:24,633 with supposedly 30 seconds of "Mortal Remains" on it. 73 00:03:26,067 --> 00:03:28,633 [eerie music] 74 00:03:51,033 --> 00:03:53,067 - [Chris] -Karl Atticus, a filmmaker? 75 00:03:53,100 --> 00:03:57,133 - Karl Atticus, oh boy... He was someone that, well, 76 00:03:58,567 --> 00:04:01,867 he did some films I think in the late '60s, early '70s. 77 00:04:03,300 --> 00:04:06,367 Most of them were based on books by Vernon Blake. 78 00:04:10,067 --> 00:04:12,767 He was kind of regarded, I guess, as one of the 79 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,367 pioneers of splatter films. 80 00:04:17,833 --> 00:04:19,600 In the early '70s, I guess people just weren't ready 81 00:04:19,633 --> 00:04:21,500 for that kind of thing back then. 82 00:04:22,667 --> 00:04:23,800 - [Chris] What do you know about him? 83 00:04:23,833 --> 00:04:26,067 - Well, he did a movie I believe in the 84 00:04:26,100 --> 00:04:28,433 late '60s called "Culture Shock," 85 00:04:28,467 --> 00:04:31,933 and then, from what I remember, there was a 86 00:04:31,967 --> 00:04:33,967 little bit of controversy, 87 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:35,633 there was a film in the early '70s 88 00:04:35,667 --> 00:04:38,167 that was called "Mortal Remains." 89 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,033 [Mark] Does that film still exist? 90 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,433 - Um... Well, in bits and pieces I guess- 91 00:04:45,467 --> 00:04:47,633 - [Mark] You don't know of any copy or 92 00:04:47,667 --> 00:04:50,000 print of the film that exists today? 93 00:04:50,033 --> 00:04:51,967 - No print, I have no idea... 94 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,033 You know, if anybody would be able to locate a 95 00:04:54,067 --> 00:04:56,100 print of that film, 96 00:04:56,133 --> 00:04:58,967 that would just be a total goldmine. 97 00:05:14,133 --> 00:05:16,867 - [Chris] All right, let's check out Loch Raven. 98 00:05:16,900 --> 00:05:19,833 Municipal Loch Raven. 99 00:05:21,167 --> 00:05:24,067 - [Mark] Welcome to Main Street. This is pretty much it. 100 00:05:24,100 --> 00:05:26,367 - [Chris] There you have it. 101 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,100 - [Mark] Well, one thing's for sure, 102 00:05:28,133 --> 00:05:32,267 if he came from this small a place, 103 00:05:33,100 --> 00:05:34,533 I mean, 104 00:05:34,567 --> 00:05:36,067 literally nowhere, 105 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:38,400 it simply means that no one else is 106 00:05:38,433 --> 00:05:40,100 going to remember this guy. 107 00:05:40,133 --> 00:05:41,567 Which is good for us, 108 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,167 because if nobody remembers who Karl Atticus was, 109 00:05:46,333 --> 00:05:47,833 then we may actually be sitting on a goldmine. 110 00:05:47,867 --> 00:05:48,767 - [Chris] Nobody remembers. 111 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,167 There was nothing even online. 112 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,000 We'll unlock the mystery of Karl Atticus. 113 00:05:55,467 --> 00:05:59,633 His mystery will become our history. [laughs] 114 00:06:03,267 --> 00:06:07,000 - [Mark] Chris and I met in high school in the late '80s. 115 00:06:07,033 --> 00:06:10,633 Since then we've always had film in common. 116 00:06:13,033 --> 00:06:14,200 - Ah, Albert. 117 00:06:14,233 --> 00:06:15,267 Good to see you. 118 00:06:15,300 --> 00:06:16,600 Come finish this program- 119 00:06:16,633 --> 00:06:18,467 [explosion] 120 00:06:19,067 --> 00:06:21,033 [screaming] 121 00:06:29,433 --> 00:06:31,200 - [Chris] We were making YouTube videos before 122 00:06:31,233 --> 00:06:33,167 YouTube even existed. 123 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:34,667 - Hey! [whistles] Listen, you're gonna need to 124 00:06:34,700 --> 00:06:36,100 help me here, buddy! 125 00:06:36,133 --> 00:06:37,600 I'm stuck in the TV, somewhere In the VCR unit, 126 00:06:37,633 --> 00:06:39,367 and I need to get the hell out! 127 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:40,933 - [Chris] You're stuck? 128 00:06:40,967 --> 00:06:42,167 What do you mean stuck? 129 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:43,100 - "What do you mean stuck?" S-T-U-C-K, 130 00:06:43,133 --> 00:06:44,833 I'm stuck, for crying out loud! 131 00:06:44,867 --> 00:06:46,800 - [Chris] Well, how the hell did you get stuck in the VCR? 132 00:06:46,833 --> 00:06:49,833 [suspenseful music] 133 00:06:57,300 --> 00:07:00,700 [screaming and choking] 134 00:07:14,967 --> 00:07:16,867 - Hey, hey! Hey- 135 00:07:16,900 --> 00:07:17,733 [thud] 136 00:07:19,633 --> 00:07:22,967 - [Chris] And then "Blair Witch" happened. 137 00:07:24,067 --> 00:07:25,400 - [Mark] We were floored. 138 00:07:25,433 --> 00:07:27,933 How did these guys manage that? 139 00:07:27,967 --> 00:07:29,200 - [Chris] We actually went to high school with 140 00:07:29,233 --> 00:07:31,933 the director, Ed Sanchez. 141 00:07:31,967 --> 00:07:33,400 - [Mark] He became an instant idol to us 142 00:07:33,433 --> 00:07:36,133 because he was a hometown boy who'd made it big. 143 00:07:36,167 --> 00:07:37,467 - [Chris] We always thought we'd be 144 00:07:37,500 --> 00:07:39,667 the ones to make it big. 145 00:07:39,700 --> 00:07:42,133 - I'm sorry to Chris's parents... 146 00:07:42,167 --> 00:07:45,033 - [Chris] Like everybody else, we made a parody. 147 00:07:45,067 --> 00:07:48,933 - To my kindergarten teacher, Mrs. Klinglesmith... 148 00:07:48,967 --> 00:07:53,100 - [Chris] We sent it to Ed. It reconnected us all. 149 00:07:53,133 --> 00:07:55,500 - [Mark] Which led to us making a documentary 150 00:07:55,533 --> 00:07:59,500 on the how and why of the "Blair Witch" phenomenon. 151 00:07:59,533 --> 00:08:03,767 Naturally, the first thing we wanted to do was interview Ed. 152 00:08:05,233 --> 00:08:06,433 We asked him to share stories from the set of "Blair Witch" 153 00:08:06,467 --> 00:08:09,600 which perhaps no one had ever heard before. 154 00:08:09,633 --> 00:08:10,833 - [Chris] That was the first time 155 00:08:10,867 --> 00:08:13,433 we ever heard about "Mortal Remains," 156 00:08:13,467 --> 00:08:16,733 or its director, Karl Atticus. 157 00:08:18,533 --> 00:08:21,333 So we just got a call from Ed Sanchez. 158 00:08:21,367 --> 00:08:24,067 It's a very interesting message. 159 00:08:24,100 --> 00:08:25,900 Pay attention to what he has to say, 160 00:08:25,933 --> 00:08:29,367 I think you'll find it most enlightening. 161 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,133 - [Chris] There it is, right there. 162 00:09:26,167 --> 00:09:27,567 - [Mark] I don't know, I still-- 163 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,067 - What do you mean, you don't know? 164 00:09:29,100 --> 00:09:30,600 He's talking to producers! He said there's some interest. 165 00:09:30,633 --> 00:09:31,800 Do you want to be broke forever? 166 00:09:31,833 --> 00:09:34,167 This is worth looking into, absolutely. 167 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,367 - [Mark] I still think we should do the "Blair Witch" thing. 168 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,467 "Blair Witch" has a built-in audience- 169 00:09:38,500 --> 00:09:39,700 - [Chris] A built-in audience? 170 00:09:39,733 --> 00:09:41,467 What, we're gonna make a couple of bucks making 171 00:09:41,500 --> 00:09:44,333 a documentary about somebody else's movie? Come on. 172 00:09:44,367 --> 00:09:46,167 - [Mark] Well, all I'm saying is, 173 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,367 if we go through all the trouble, and nobody's interested... 174 00:09:51,467 --> 00:09:52,667 Ed's not saying, Hey, come on out here 175 00:09:52,700 --> 00:09:54,433 to Hollywood and meet these people, 176 00:09:54,467 --> 00:09:55,967 he's saying, finish the film. 177 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,433 What happens when we're done with it and nobody likes it? 178 00:09:58,467 --> 00:10:00,367 - [Chris] Why do you think no one's gonna like it? 179 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:01,967 He already said there's interest in it. 180 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:03,500 - [Mark] Nobody knows about Karl Atticus! 181 00:10:03,533 --> 00:10:06,533 - [Chris] They will when we're done! 182 00:10:15,833 --> 00:10:19,267 So you've lived here in Loch Raven all your life. 183 00:10:19,300 --> 00:10:20,633 - [Man] All my life. 184 00:10:20,667 --> 00:10:22,533 - [Chris] Does the name Atticus ring a bell? 185 00:10:22,567 --> 00:10:24,233 Especially Karl Atticus? 186 00:10:24,267 --> 00:10:26,167 - No. No. 187 00:10:27,300 --> 00:10:28,700 - I've never heard of him before. 188 00:10:28,733 --> 00:10:29,800 - Doesn't ring a bell. 189 00:10:29,833 --> 00:10:30,633 - [Chris] No? 190 00:10:30,667 --> 00:10:31,600 - No. 191 00:10:31,633 --> 00:10:32,700 - Nope, never heard of him. 192 00:10:32,733 --> 00:10:34,433 - Never have, no. 193 00:10:34,467 --> 00:10:38,033 - That's kind of the consensus on Karl Atticus. 194 00:10:38,067 --> 00:10:40,000 - They lived in a house down the street. 195 00:10:40,033 --> 00:10:41,733 It burned down years ago. 196 00:10:41,767 --> 00:10:45,167 - Right down the street, they used to live? 197 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,000 - And then they moved out to Howard County in the 198 00:10:47,033 --> 00:10:49,300 country and lived in a house there. 199 00:10:49,333 --> 00:10:50,733 - Another house? 200 00:10:50,767 --> 00:10:53,800 There was one guy in particular, Karl Atticus... 201 00:10:53,833 --> 00:10:55,900 - [Man] A young fellow, is that right? 202 00:10:55,933 --> 00:10:57,800 - [Chris] Yes, he was a filmmaker. 203 00:10:57,833 --> 00:11:02,067 - [Man] Oh yes, yes, he was there, he lived there. 204 00:11:06,067 --> 00:11:08,167 - [Narrator] Karl Atticus was born on 205 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,767 October 4th, 1947 in Loch Raven, Maryland. 206 00:11:13,233 --> 00:11:15,300 - [Chris] You grew up with Karl Atticus, 207 00:11:15,333 --> 00:11:16,600 you knew him very well? 208 00:11:16,633 --> 00:11:18,867 - I guess I met him in the late 50s, 209 00:11:18,900 --> 00:11:21,233 it would have been '58, '59. 210 00:11:22,433 --> 00:11:26,267 He was a couple, several years older than I was. 211 00:11:27,767 --> 00:11:29,600 Kind of a sickly kid. 212 00:11:30,733 --> 00:11:33,567 I can remember going by his house 213 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,267 in the neighborhood with the quarantine signs up. 214 00:11:37,300 --> 00:11:41,300 He had polio, so he was quarantined for a year. 215 00:11:42,733 --> 00:11:46,733 Because of that he started reading a lot at an early age. 216 00:11:48,300 --> 00:11:50,233 If I can remember, 217 00:11:50,267 --> 00:11:52,600 he read Lovecraft, 218 00:11:52,633 --> 00:11:54,267 and Poe, 219 00:11:54,300 --> 00:11:58,367 and then he got into some southern gothic writer. 220 00:12:00,367 --> 00:12:03,467 Blake, I think that was his name. 221 00:12:04,500 --> 00:12:07,167 He was very much... 222 00:12:08,333 --> 00:12:10,500 almost obsessed with this writer. 223 00:12:15,833 --> 00:12:18,233 - [Narrator] An only child, Karl was the son of 224 00:12:18,267 --> 00:12:21,600 Margaret Cordelia Cowan and Ivan Atticus III, 225 00:12:21,633 --> 00:12:23,500 a professor of history and literature 226 00:12:23,533 --> 00:12:25,467 at Johns Hopkins University. 227 00:12:26,333 --> 00:12:28,400 - Professor Atticus, um... 228 00:12:29,133 --> 00:12:30,867 A very creepy guy. 229 00:12:33,700 --> 00:12:36,400 A very private man... 230 00:12:37,267 --> 00:12:39,333 There were a lot of rumors, 231 00:12:39,367 --> 00:12:42,267 stories revolving around him. 232 00:12:43,500 --> 00:12:45,467 - [Roland] I recall one time, we were just kids, 233 00:12:45,500 --> 00:12:48,133 and we went up into the attic 234 00:12:48,167 --> 00:12:51,000 and we found this old chest. 235 00:12:52,333 --> 00:12:54,000 We opened the chest up, 236 00:12:54,033 --> 00:12:56,300 it belonged to his father, 237 00:12:56,333 --> 00:12:59,233 and there were a number of strange things in there, 238 00:12:59,267 --> 00:13:02,000 robes and knives, 239 00:13:03,167 --> 00:13:06,900 and any number of Vernon Blake novels. 240 00:13:13,500 --> 00:13:15,767 - [Narrator] Police records indicate that 241 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:17,667 Karl witnessed the death of his father 242 00:13:17,700 --> 00:13:20,900 in an unexplained car crash in late 1950. 243 00:13:22,933 --> 00:13:25,167 - [Anne] It could have been suicide. 244 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:26,833 I know for a fact that 245 00:13:26,867 --> 00:13:29,433 his wife committed suicide, many years later. 246 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,767 - His mother, I guess this was in the late '60s, 247 00:13:38,633 --> 00:13:40,367 wound up taking her life. 248 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,667 No doubt, it was very traumatic for him. 249 00:13:44,733 --> 00:13:45,933 It devastated him. 250 00:13:45,967 --> 00:13:49,067 It was a wound that, no doubt, he carried-- 251 00:13:49,100 --> 00:13:51,600 - [Chris] And he was left all alone, I guess? 252 00:13:51,633 --> 00:13:53,733 Yeah, he was pretty much alone, 253 00:13:53,767 --> 00:13:55,800 and at that point he started 254 00:13:55,833 --> 00:13:58,067 to really go downhill. 255 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,600 He became -- withdrawn. 256 00:14:01,633 --> 00:14:02,933 Dark. 257 00:14:03,667 --> 00:14:05,100 He was just distant. 258 00:14:05,133 --> 00:14:08,533 It was like something had really changed in him. 259 00:14:10,467 --> 00:14:13,600 [desolate piano] 260 00:14:13,633 --> 00:14:15,800 Now that I think about it, 261 00:14:15,833 --> 00:14:19,367 a couple of weeks before he went missing, 262 00:14:20,500 --> 00:14:23,933 Karl left this cigar box on my porch 263 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,333 that had some photographs and clippings, 264 00:14:29,067 --> 00:14:30,867 and some strange things. 265 00:14:30,900 --> 00:14:32,333 - [Chris] That's not something you still have, is it? 266 00:14:32,367 --> 00:14:33,267 - Oh, yeah. 267 00:14:33,300 --> 00:14:34,733 I think it's up in the attic. 268 00:14:34,767 --> 00:14:37,700 I guess I've held onto it because 269 00:14:37,733 --> 00:14:39,200 he was a friend at one time, 270 00:14:39,233 --> 00:14:43,233 a childhood friend, and I feel bad about the tragedy. 271 00:14:44,167 --> 00:14:46,367 Ah! That goes way back. 272 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:47,867 - [Chris] Is that you? My God. 273 00:14:47,900 --> 00:14:48,700 - Yeah. 274 00:14:48,733 --> 00:14:50,433 - Who's that? 275 00:14:50,467 --> 00:14:52,633 - That's his mom. 276 00:14:52,667 --> 00:14:54,733 I guess she went to Johns Hopkins too. 277 00:14:54,767 --> 00:14:58,667 I don't think this is a high school graduation. 278 00:14:58,700 --> 00:15:02,200 Her husband, Karl's dad, was a professor there. 279 00:15:02,233 --> 00:15:03,433 - Makes sense. 280 00:15:04,633 --> 00:15:08,167 - And this is what, I'd forgotten about this... 281 00:15:08,767 --> 00:15:09,533 - [Chris] Jeez. 282 00:15:09,567 --> 00:15:11,667 - Yeah, it's strange. 283 00:15:11,700 --> 00:15:13,133 That must be Karl. 284 00:15:13,167 --> 00:15:15,667 Unbelievable. I haven't seen this in years. 285 00:15:15,700 --> 00:15:17,133 - [Chris] That's incredible. 286 00:15:17,167 --> 00:15:20,100 Do you mind if we borrow and scan some of this stuff? 287 00:15:20,133 --> 00:15:21,933 - No, help yourself. 288 00:15:21,967 --> 00:15:23,967 - [Chris] Thank you so much. 289 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,833 - [Mark] There's a tape in there too. 290 00:15:25,867 --> 00:15:28,200 - Yeah, the tape... 291 00:15:29,367 --> 00:15:32,233 Just before Karl died he left a message for me. 292 00:15:33,333 --> 00:15:36,633 It freaked me out. It's a strange message. 293 00:15:37,733 --> 00:15:40,167 I'd forgotten all about that. 294 00:16:38,333 --> 00:16:41,833 - Well, here we are at Black Hills Cemetery, 295 00:16:43,033 --> 00:16:46,133 and it's not open for business yet. 296 00:16:46,167 --> 00:16:47,133 - [Mark] Whose idea was it to show up 297 00:16:47,167 --> 00:16:49,567 at 7:00 in the morning? 298 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,167 - I would have to say...yours. 299 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:55,067 - [Mark] No, no... [laughs] 300 00:16:55,100 --> 00:16:56,733 Let's go get some breakfast. 301 00:16:56,767 --> 00:16:57,767 - Good idea. 302 00:16:59,467 --> 00:17:03,600 [melancholy music] 303 00:17:21,167 --> 00:17:23,533 - [Mark] Did you contact the Baltimore police department? 304 00:17:23,567 --> 00:17:24,500 - [Chris] Yes. 305 00:17:24,533 --> 00:17:25,467 - Did they get back to you? 306 00:17:25,500 --> 00:17:26,467 - Not yet, no. 307 00:17:26,500 --> 00:17:27,667 - Did you contact- 308 00:17:27,700 --> 00:17:28,600 - Shut up and let me get the shot, will you? 309 00:17:28,633 --> 00:17:31,067 - [Mark] How big is this place? 310 00:17:32,233 --> 00:17:33,933 - Pretty big. It's a big old cemetery. 311 00:17:33,967 --> 00:17:35,200 We should go to the office. 312 00:17:35,233 --> 00:17:37,033 I bet they have some kind of a register. 313 00:17:37,067 --> 00:17:39,867 - [Mark] The problem is, I'm stepping on shit, 314 00:17:39,900 --> 00:17:42,033 and it's like- Look at this, 315 00:17:42,067 --> 00:17:44,800 there are stones here that aren't even marked. 316 00:17:44,833 --> 00:17:46,833 - Well, those are obviously way too old. 317 00:17:46,867 --> 00:17:48,367 Maybe there's a groundskeeper or a caretaker 318 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,033 around here we could ask. 319 00:17:51,067 --> 00:17:52,533 - [Mark] Tell you what, why don't we- 320 00:17:52,567 --> 00:17:53,767 - [Chris] There's a guy right over there. 321 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:54,700 We could ask him. 322 00:17:54,733 --> 00:17:56,667 Sir? Excuse me, sir? 323 00:17:56,700 --> 00:17:58,633 we're trying to find a particular grave. 324 00:17:58,667 --> 00:18:01,333 Did you ever hear of a Karl Atticus? 325 00:18:01,367 --> 00:18:03,400 - That crazy movie guy? 326 00:18:03,433 --> 00:18:05,133 - That'll be the one, yeah. 327 00:18:05,167 --> 00:18:06,467 is he around here still? 328 00:18:06,500 --> 00:18:08,100 - No. 329 00:18:08,133 --> 00:18:10,400 People were always trying to get into his grave. 330 00:18:10,433 --> 00:18:11,300 They moved him. 331 00:18:11,333 --> 00:18:12,633 - [Chris] Get out. 332 00:18:12,667 --> 00:18:13,900 They moved the body? 333 00:18:13,933 --> 00:18:14,800 Yeah. 334 00:18:14,833 --> 00:18:18,233 I have no idea where. 335 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:20,933 I know he has a family plot around here somewhere, 336 00:18:20,967 --> 00:18:22,800 his family's laid out here. 337 00:18:22,833 --> 00:18:24,133 - [Chris] You know where that is? 338 00:18:24,167 --> 00:18:26,100 - Somewhere in that area over there. 339 00:18:26,133 --> 00:18:28,500 You'd probably have to go to the office and find out. 340 00:18:28,533 --> 00:18:29,833 - [Chris] Fantastic! Thank you very much. 341 00:18:29,867 --> 00:18:30,833 - You're quite welcome. 342 00:18:34,733 --> 00:18:36,533 - [Receptionist] This should be the book. 343 00:18:40,033 --> 00:18:41,167 - How do you spell that name? 344 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,300 - [Chris] A-T-T-I-C-U-S. 345 00:18:49,633 --> 00:18:52,233 [eerie music] 346 00:18:55,700 --> 00:18:59,867 - Looks like that index page isn't in here. 347 00:19:00,533 --> 00:19:01,267 That's strange. 348 00:19:02,733 --> 00:19:04,200 - Is that the right book? 349 00:19:04,233 --> 00:19:06,600 - Yeah, this is definitely the right book, 350 00:19:06,633 --> 00:19:07,867 it's just- 351 00:19:08,767 --> 00:19:11,133 The Atticus name should be on- 352 00:19:12,167 --> 00:19:13,867 -there, and it's not. 353 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,467 Let's just try the- 354 00:19:16,500 --> 00:19:18,100 There's about four pages not here. 355 00:19:18,133 --> 00:19:20,500 This is very strange. 356 00:19:20,533 --> 00:19:21,933 - [Mark] Would somebody maybe remove them 357 00:19:21,967 --> 00:19:23,200 for a particular reason? 358 00:19:23,233 --> 00:19:26,133 - Well, if somebody needs to make copies 359 00:19:26,167 --> 00:19:27,867 for any reason, they should take them out, 360 00:19:27,900 --> 00:19:29,900 but they should immediately replace them. 361 00:19:29,933 --> 00:19:32,000 - [Chris] Maybe somebody was careless. 362 00:19:32,033 --> 00:19:34,500 - And my boss isn't here right now for me to ask him, 363 00:19:34,533 --> 00:19:37,400 and I certainly wouldn't want to go through his desk. 364 00:19:37,433 --> 00:19:38,267 But... 365 00:19:39,433 --> 00:19:40,333 Wow. 366 00:19:40,367 --> 00:19:43,300 These books are very special, 367 00:19:43,333 --> 00:19:46,867 and we never leave anything out of them for very long. 368 00:19:46,900 --> 00:19:51,067 The only thing I could do for you, under the circumstances- 369 00:19:54,700 --> 00:19:58,867 I'm gonna put a marker in here so I can tell him. 370 00:20:00,867 --> 00:20:03,733 - [Mark] This is the end of the road, then. 371 00:20:03,767 --> 00:20:06,233 There are no other sections. 372 00:20:06,267 --> 00:20:10,267 - Well, this is the area she pointed to on the map, but- 373 00:20:10,300 --> 00:20:13,167 I don't know, it's 1973 we're looking for... 374 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,267 There's a lot of stuff from the 1800s here. 375 00:20:15,300 --> 00:20:16,267 - [Manager] Hey! 376 00:20:16,300 --> 00:20:17,500 - [Chris] Hello? 377 00:20:17,533 --> 00:20:19,100 - You guys were in the office? 378 00:20:19,133 --> 00:20:20,600 - [Chris] A moment ago, yes we were. 379 00:20:20,633 --> 00:20:22,467 - [Mark] Can you help, actually? 380 00:20:22,500 --> 00:20:24,700 - We were trying to find a plot, 381 00:20:24,733 --> 00:20:25,967 a fellow who was buried here-- 382 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,600 - Is that thing still on? 383 00:20:27,633 --> 00:20:28,767 - [Mark] ...Yeah? 384 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,967 - Would you mind turning it off, please. 385 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,133 All right, what's- What's your interest in Atticus? 386 00:20:35,167 --> 00:20:37,467 - [Chris] Well, we're a couple of filmmakers 387 00:20:37,500 --> 00:20:38,767 making a documentary- 388 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,700 - No. This is a place of respect and repose. 389 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:44,867 We don't make films here. 390 00:20:44,900 --> 00:20:46,133 - [Chris] I know, I understand that. 391 00:20:46,167 --> 00:20:46,967 - No, I'm really sorry. You don't understand. 392 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:47,800 Is that thing off? 393 00:20:48,433 --> 00:20:48,633 - [Mark] Yeah. 394 00:20:49,267 --> 00:20:49,933 It's off. 395 00:20:49,967 --> 00:20:50,767 - Is it off! 396 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:51,133 - [Mark] It's off, sir! 397 00:20:52,033 --> 00:20:53,300 - I've had enough problems, 398 00:20:53,333 --> 00:20:54,233 this institution has had enough problems 399 00:20:54,267 --> 00:20:55,667 over the years, with Atticus- 400 00:20:55,700 --> 00:20:57,067 Hey! Is that thing still on?! 401 00:20:57,100 --> 00:20:58,567 - [Mark] No, sir. 402 00:20:58,600 --> 00:20:59,833 - [Chris] Other people have been asking about Atticus? 403 00:20:59,867 --> 00:21:03,200 - Let me make this very, abundantly clear: 404 00:21:03,233 --> 00:21:07,400 All further inquiries about Atticus cease right now. 405 00:21:08,500 --> 00:21:10,000 You're not welcome, and I want you 406 00:21:10,033 --> 00:21:11,800 to pack up this camera and get on the road. 407 00:21:11,833 --> 00:21:15,867 Listen, I can call the police, or I can take another route 408 00:21:15,900 --> 00:21:18,033 which is far more unpleasant, okay? 409 00:21:18,067 --> 00:21:20,833 So get out of here right now, 410 00:21:20,867 --> 00:21:21,700 and I mean it! 411 00:21:22,467 --> 00:21:23,333 Come on, let's go! 412 00:21:24,433 --> 00:21:26,500 - [Mark] Okay, all right, we're leaving... 413 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,467 - [Mark] What the hell is that guy's beef? 414 00:21:30,500 --> 00:21:32,367 - [Chris] I don't know. He's pissed. 415 00:21:32,967 --> 00:21:33,333 - Christ! 416 00:21:34,567 --> 00:21:36,067 Let's just get the hell out of here. 417 00:21:36,100 --> 00:21:37,967 We'll come back later, some other time to look around. 418 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,367 - [Mark] Who the fuck is he calling? 419 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,000 - [Manager] They were here about Atticus... 420 00:21:46,667 --> 00:21:48,433 - [Mark] I wonder if he's calling the cops? 421 00:21:55,867 --> 00:21:57,700 [crickets] 422 00:22:16,033 --> 00:22:18,133 - [Mark] You find anything? 423 00:22:18,167 --> 00:22:19,500 - [Chris] Let's just come back tomorrow. 424 00:22:19,533 --> 00:22:22,367 Christ, I can see barely anything at all anyway. 425 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:23,867 - [Mark] We're not gonna be able to get in here 426 00:22:24,467 --> 00:22:25,500 except at night. 427 00:22:26,433 --> 00:22:27,967 [distant train whistle] 428 00:22:32,833 --> 00:22:33,833 - [Chris] Karl could be anywhere! 429 00:22:33,867 --> 00:22:35,267 - [Mark] Karl could be anywhere, 430 00:22:35,300 --> 00:22:36,500 but I say we keep looking for his family plot. 431 00:22:36,533 --> 00:22:37,900 - [Chris] The guy said 432 00:22:37,933 --> 00:22:39,467 the body's been moved at least once. 433 00:22:39,500 --> 00:22:41,400 - [Mark] What is your problem? Jesus Christ. 434 00:22:41,433 --> 00:22:42,767 - [Chris] Mark, this place is fucking huge. 435 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:43,733 It's pitch black. 436 00:22:43,767 --> 00:22:44,867 This is a wild goose chase! 437 00:22:44,900 --> 00:22:45,833 I cannot- 438 00:22:45,867 --> 00:22:47,133 - [Mark] It's spread out, yes, 439 00:22:47,167 --> 00:22:48,333 so why don't you just stop standing there, 440 00:22:48,367 --> 00:22:50,300 and keep looking! Jeez. 441 00:22:57,367 --> 00:22:58,333 - I can't even see the names on 442 00:22:58,367 --> 00:22:59,833 these frigging stones... 443 00:22:59,867 --> 00:23:02,433 - Would you quit your whining and relax, for God's sakes? 444 00:23:02,467 --> 00:23:03,867 - This is stupid. 445 00:23:03,900 --> 00:23:05,400 - [Mark] Look, we haven't been here that long. 446 00:23:05,433 --> 00:23:07,000 - There's gotta be somebody who's gonna catch us here. 447 00:23:07,033 --> 00:23:08,267 - They're not gonna be able to find us, 448 00:23:08,300 --> 00:23:09,567 not in this huge place. C'mon, Chris. 449 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,500 Give it a little while. I mean, 450 00:23:11,533 --> 00:23:14,667 We haven't even been here more than two hours, 451 00:23:14,700 --> 00:23:17,067 we haven't even seen half of what is out there... 452 00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:18,400 - [Chris] Well, we're not gonna see anything in the dark. 453 00:23:18,433 --> 00:23:19,867 - [Mark] I can see just fine! 454 00:23:19,900 --> 00:23:23,233 Pull your flashlight out, will you for crying out loud? 455 00:23:35,333 --> 00:23:36,600 [creaking noise] 456 00:23:37,367 --> 00:23:38,800 - [Chris] What was that? 457 00:23:40,267 --> 00:23:43,567 - [Mark] Quit your whining! I'm over here, man. 458 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:44,667 Jesus Christ. 459 00:23:44,700 --> 00:23:45,500 - [Chris] Mark? 460 00:23:45,533 --> 00:23:46,367 Christ! What? 461 00:23:47,767 --> 00:23:49,467 - That's it, man. I'm going back to the car in five minutes. 462 00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:50,733 You wanna look in that direction? I'm waiting right here. 463 00:23:50,767 --> 00:23:51,967 - [Mark] I'm gonna get it all done tonight. 464 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,167 You're want to look in that area, 465 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,167 I'm gonna go look over- 466 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:55,333 - I'm gonna stay right here. 467 00:23:55,367 --> 00:23:56,533 - [Mark] Fine, you can wait, 'cause 468 00:23:56,567 --> 00:23:57,933 I'm not gonna leave till I look and make sure 469 00:23:57,967 --> 00:24:01,133 that we've got everything we came here for. 470 00:24:01,167 --> 00:24:02,967 There's only one more section to go- 471 00:24:06,033 --> 00:24:07,700 - [Chris] [sighs] Oh my God... 472 00:24:09,333 --> 00:24:12,833 - [Mark] Fucking complaining all the time. 473 00:24:15,833 --> 00:24:17,500 - [Chris] Hey! Mark? 474 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:19,833 Whoa! 475 00:24:21,567 --> 00:24:23,900 Mark, did you see that? 476 00:24:25,067 --> 00:24:25,867 Mark! 477 00:24:25,900 --> 00:24:26,800 - [Mark] What? 478 00:24:26,833 --> 00:24:27,900 [chris mumbles in distance] 479 00:24:27,933 --> 00:24:29,400 - [Mark] What? 480 00:24:29,433 --> 00:24:32,333 - [Chris] Okay, we need to go. We need to go right now. 481 00:24:32,367 --> 00:24:36,533 We need to go! I just saw something moving, we gotta go. 482 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,133 - [Mark] Just relax, will you, man? 483 00:24:42,267 --> 00:24:45,167 - [Chris] Fuck this. Oh, man... 484 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,967 Where the hell are you? 485 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,767 - [Mark] Let's just keep looking. 486 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,133 Chris, just keep looking, all right? 487 00:24:52,167 --> 00:24:54,733 - [Chris] Get back here! Come on, let's go. 488 00:24:54,767 --> 00:24:57,267 Damn it, where the hell are you? 489 00:24:58,067 --> 00:24:58,900 Mark? 490 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:00,300 - [Mark] What, are you- 491 00:25:00,333 --> 00:25:01,733 [screams] 492 00:25:02,467 --> 00:25:04,800 [muffled screaming] 493 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,633 - [Chris] Jesus, Mark! 494 00:25:09,567 --> 00:25:10,967 Mark! 495 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,633 Where are you? 496 00:25:12,667 --> 00:25:13,467 [muffled screaming] 497 00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:15,000 [heavy body blow] 498 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:16,233 [moaning] 499 00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:17,333 Mark! 500 00:25:19,233 --> 00:25:20,067 Mark- 501 00:25:20,667 --> 00:25:21,300 Holy shit! 502 00:25:21,333 --> 00:25:22,300 Are you okay? 503 00:25:22,333 --> 00:25:23,567 What happened? 504 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,933 Jesus... What happened? 505 00:25:29,967 --> 00:25:33,567 [eerie music] 506 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,800 - They definitely know that I have a concussion, 507 00:25:44,833 --> 00:25:47,433 and they're gonna run some more x-rays this afternoon. 508 00:25:47,467 --> 00:25:49,900 They're worried that maybe I have 509 00:25:49,933 --> 00:25:51,467 some internal bleeding now, 510 00:25:51,500 --> 00:25:53,967 so we'll find out soon enough. 511 00:25:55,900 --> 00:25:57,733 When are you coming by? 512 00:25:57,767 --> 00:26:00,400 - [Chris] Soon as I can. Look, do you wanna call the cops? 513 00:26:00,433 --> 00:26:03,000 - Hell no! No, no, no, man. 514 00:26:03,033 --> 00:26:05,600 Do not. Call. The police. 515 00:26:05,633 --> 00:26:06,800 No matter what you do, 516 00:26:06,833 --> 00:26:08,267 don't call the police, all right? 517 00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:09,933 And if you do, I wasn't there. 518 00:26:09,967 --> 00:26:11,433 Don't even mention my name. 519 00:26:11,467 --> 00:26:13,700 Do you want to explain what we were doing there last night? 520 00:26:13,733 --> 00:26:15,300 Come on, man! Think! 521 00:26:16,767 --> 00:26:17,733 - You're gonna be able to film this weekend, right? 522 00:26:17,767 --> 00:26:18,967 - What! 523 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,467 - We gotta meet that guy at the university. 524 00:26:20,500 --> 00:26:21,967 - No, Chris, I'm not gonna be filming this weekend. 525 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,433 I can barely see out of one eye! 526 00:26:23,467 --> 00:26:24,933 - [Chris] Well, what the hell- 527 00:26:24,967 --> 00:26:27,933 - Come on, man, be real. Now you're just being an asshole! 528 00:26:27,967 --> 00:26:29,733 Don't be such a fucking idiot! 529 00:26:29,767 --> 00:26:33,667 No, I'm not gonna be in shape to be filming this weekend! 530 00:26:33,700 --> 00:26:36,500 - [Chris] In order to keep the project on track, 531 00:26:36,533 --> 00:26:38,933 I went out and hired a new cameraman. 532 00:26:38,967 --> 00:26:40,767 So this is Josh, our new cameraman. 533 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:41,600 Say hi, Josh! 534 00:26:41,633 --> 00:26:43,067 - Hi Josh. 535 00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:44,800 - [Chris] I then began investigating 536 00:26:44,833 --> 00:26:48,900 the book "Mortal Remains" and its author, Vernon Blake. 537 00:26:51,667 --> 00:26:53,667 - [Narrator] The details of Vernon Blake's life are 538 00:26:53,700 --> 00:26:55,100 shrouded in obscurity, 539 00:26:55,133 --> 00:26:58,167 except to a small number of collectors and historians. 540 00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:59,667 Foremost among these is 541 00:26:59,700 --> 00:27:03,033 Professor Lyle Thackeray of Penn State University. 542 00:27:03,067 --> 00:27:04,900 - Very few people are even aware of 543 00:27:04,933 --> 00:27:07,467 Vernon Blake's existence. 544 00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:10,167 His fiction never sold well nor widely. 545 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,333 He was rejected by numerous reputable publishers, 546 00:27:14,367 --> 00:27:15,733 so he self-published, 547 00:27:15,767 --> 00:27:17,767 we suspect, out of spite. 548 00:27:19,100 --> 00:27:23,000 His work was extremely graphic and sexually explicit. 549 00:27:24,233 --> 00:27:27,467 Not things that were a big deal in the 1920s, 550 00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:29,933 but he had a way of combining the two 551 00:27:29,967 --> 00:27:33,733 in a manner that was distinctly unsettling. 552 00:27:33,767 --> 00:27:36,133 - I have been collecting Vernon Blake's work 553 00:27:36,167 --> 00:27:37,400 for a number of years, 554 00:27:37,433 --> 00:27:39,667 and it's not easy to find. 555 00:27:39,700 --> 00:27:41,367 A very obscure writer. 556 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,400 Through a number of years of research I was able to 557 00:27:44,433 --> 00:27:48,233 piece together a few bits of information about his past. 558 00:27:48,267 --> 00:27:50,600 He was really left to his own devices 559 00:27:50,633 --> 00:27:52,633 from a fairly early age. 560 00:27:52,667 --> 00:27:53,933 He did a fair amount of traveling 561 00:27:53,967 --> 00:27:55,333 through various parts of the world. 562 00:27:55,367 --> 00:27:57,333 For example, he spent some time in Haiti, 563 00:27:57,367 --> 00:28:01,000 where he became very fascinated with voodoo. 564 00:28:02,133 --> 00:28:04,733 He also spent some time in Paris. 565 00:28:04,767 --> 00:28:06,333 - [Thackeray] He visited Europe frequently. 566 00:28:06,367 --> 00:28:08,100 It was known that he was a great admirer 567 00:28:08,133 --> 00:28:09,967 of the Theatre du Grand Guignol. 568 00:28:11,133 --> 00:28:13,167 Many of his short stories were adapted 569 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,433 for the Guignol's stage. 570 00:28:15,467 --> 00:28:17,867 But his choices with regard to subject matter 571 00:28:17,900 --> 00:28:22,067 clearly demonstrate a passion for ancient history. 572 00:28:23,533 --> 00:28:26,133 Much of his writing centers around primitive societies, 573 00:28:26,167 --> 00:28:27,300 sinister cults, 574 00:28:27,333 --> 00:28:30,100 arcane rituals, and so forth. 575 00:28:30,133 --> 00:28:32,233 It's rumored that Blake himself 576 00:28:32,267 --> 00:28:34,200 was involved in an obscure cult, 577 00:28:34,233 --> 00:28:38,233 and certain photographs certainly bear this out. 578 00:28:38,267 --> 00:28:40,167 - [Peter] There are photographs of him wearing 579 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,367 ceremonial garb and holding a Middle Eastern dagger. 580 00:28:45,933 --> 00:28:48,600 - [Narrator] It was during a 1922 interlude in Paris that 581 00:28:48,633 --> 00:28:52,500 Blake began writing his longest and most notorious novel, 582 00:28:52,533 --> 00:28:55,900 an extremely gruesome tale entitled "Mortal Remains." 583 00:28:56,900 --> 00:28:58,067 - It's an exceptionally brutal tale, 584 00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:00,233 even by Vernon Blake's standards, 585 00:29:01,100 --> 00:29:03,000 with elements of torture, 586 00:29:03,033 --> 00:29:04,833 ritual sacrifice, 587 00:29:04,867 --> 00:29:08,133 murder, grave robbing, even cannibalism. 588 00:29:08,167 --> 00:29:10,467 One man is fed his own eyeballs. 589 00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:12,967 Another has his flesh peeled off. 590 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,300 One character is drugged and then 591 00:29:15,333 --> 00:29:17,333 slowly cut into several pieces. 592 00:29:19,367 --> 00:29:22,167 - One of the more fascinating elements about Vernon Blake is 593 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,367 that in some of his work he was known to hide ciphers... 594 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,700 possible signals, possible symbols, possible words 595 00:29:32,567 --> 00:29:33,933 for his readers to follow. 596 00:29:35,333 --> 00:29:36,867 - Thanks for coming in again, I appreciate that. 597 00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:38,500 Oh, you got a haircut! Looks good. 598 00:29:38,533 --> 00:29:40,000 - [Peter] It was time for a change. 599 00:29:40,033 --> 00:29:44,200 This is a cipher from Vernon Blake's "Mortal Remains." 600 00:29:45,367 --> 00:29:47,167 This is actually a substitution cipher. 601 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,533 Now this was actually one of the easier ciphers to solve, 602 00:29:50,567 --> 00:29:54,733 because there are spaces in between the cipher words. 603 00:29:56,367 --> 00:29:59,600 Also, when you have something like this, 604 00:29:59,633 --> 00:30:02,433 a cipher letter by itself, 605 00:30:02,467 --> 00:30:06,633 that's most often going to be a letter like A or I, 606 00:30:07,933 --> 00:30:10,267 letters that can stand on their own. 607 00:30:10,300 --> 00:30:11,500 So this one for example, 608 00:30:11,533 --> 00:30:13,400 if you follow the key I have here, 609 00:30:13,433 --> 00:30:16,000 this one will read, when it's finished, 610 00:30:16,033 --> 00:30:19,533 "Turn to page 40 for a reward." 611 00:30:20,700 --> 00:30:24,400 If you jump to page 40, what you will find 612 00:30:24,433 --> 00:30:28,333 is actually another set of ciphers lining 613 00:30:28,367 --> 00:30:30,600 the left hand side of the page. 614 00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:34,733 Now, this one was tricker because there are 615 00:30:34,767 --> 00:30:37,433 no spaces in between the words. 616 00:30:37,467 --> 00:30:39,200 - [Chris] The same set of symbols? 617 00:30:39,233 --> 00:30:40,967 No, these are completely different, aren't they? 618 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,667 - Well, Vernon Blake did that. 619 00:30:42,700 --> 00:30:46,767 He often made cipher symbols in different languages. 620 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,967 This particular cipher language, he used the Enoch for it. 621 00:30:55,467 --> 00:30:57,433 See? If you look on the title page of 622 00:30:57,467 --> 00:30:59,267 "Mortal Remains" down at the bottom - 623 00:30:59,300 --> 00:31:01,433 - a whole new set of ciphers. 624 00:31:03,033 --> 00:31:04,300 Right along here. 625 00:31:04,333 --> 00:31:05,567 - [Chris] A completely different alphabet. 626 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,633 - Completely different alphabet. 627 00:31:08,667 --> 00:31:11,367 The translation for the next cipher 628 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,400 reads, "Proceed to page 80 in my previous work." 629 00:31:16,567 --> 00:31:19,700 Now, this was a common thing for Vernon Blake. 630 00:31:19,733 --> 00:31:22,033 He would leave clues to other clues 631 00:31:22,067 --> 00:31:23,500 to other clues, 632 00:31:23,533 --> 00:31:26,500 and they were not always in his books. 633 00:31:26,533 --> 00:31:28,067 Sometimes he would give you directions to 634 00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:30,667 go to a particular house, 635 00:31:30,700 --> 00:31:34,867 and you might find the next cipher underneath a table. 636 00:31:35,767 --> 00:31:36,700 Sometimes he might have a cipher 637 00:31:36,733 --> 00:31:36,967 carved into a tree in a park. 638 00:31:39,833 --> 00:31:43,600 He would leave a wide variety of clues and 639 00:31:43,633 --> 00:31:45,533 directions as to where to go next in order to 640 00:31:45,567 --> 00:31:49,733 solve the cipher mysteries he was leaving in his works. 641 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,533 - [Chris] What did these lead to? 642 00:31:52,567 --> 00:31:54,467 What did people find? Other stories? 643 00:31:54,500 --> 00:31:57,033 Treasure? What would they unearth? 644 00:31:57,067 --> 00:32:00,733 - Well, the rewards were not often tangible, 645 00:32:02,633 --> 00:32:06,233 and many of them were not even found. 646 00:32:06,267 --> 00:32:07,800 You have to remember, times change. 647 00:32:07,833 --> 00:32:09,467 Houses get torn down, 648 00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:11,100 we have natural disasters... 649 00:32:11,133 --> 00:32:13,633 so you go back to his works, 650 00:32:13,667 --> 00:32:16,100 and try to find perhaps another cipher 651 00:32:16,133 --> 00:32:17,033 or another direction, 652 00:32:17,067 --> 00:32:19,967 or you had to let that one go. 653 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,067 - [Chris] Wow. So there could even now be things that 654 00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:24,533 he left buried somewhere that nobody knows about? 655 00:32:24,567 --> 00:32:26,800 - There very well could be. 656 00:32:31,967 --> 00:32:34,733 - [Narrator] In 1969, Atticus completed his first feature, 657 00:32:34,767 --> 00:32:37,933 "Culture Shock," a violent film based upon an 658 00:32:37,967 --> 00:32:40,200 early Vernon Blake novella. 659 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,767 - [Ben] "Culture Shock" kind of reminds me of 660 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,233 "Cannibal Holocaust," kind of a mondo cinema 661 00:32:51,933 --> 00:32:55,967 pseudo-documentary about these jungle women who 662 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,633 basically go and murder some people in the jungle. 663 00:33:02,067 --> 00:33:03,500 - [Chris] If you could find a copy, that would be awesome. 664 00:33:03,533 --> 00:33:05,167 - A copy that we would be able to get would probably be a 665 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,200 bootleg or an Asian copy, something like that... 666 00:33:10,167 --> 00:33:11,100 - [Chris] That's fine. 667 00:33:11,133 --> 00:33:13,867 - Again, it's possible. 668 00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:16,733 We could ask one of the collectors we know. 669 00:33:16,767 --> 00:33:20,100 I think it's not out of the question that we could get one. 670 00:33:20,133 --> 00:33:22,933 - [Chris] What stands out in your mind about the shoot? 671 00:33:22,967 --> 00:33:24,667 - The special effects. 672 00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:25,933 - [Chris] Really? 673 00:33:25,967 --> 00:33:27,367 - Yeah, there was one scene where a 674 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,367 guy gets his hand chopped off with a machete. 675 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,467 I've never seen anything so realistic. 676 00:33:35,333 --> 00:33:37,500 - It made me queasy, and I've been around 677 00:33:37,533 --> 00:33:41,200 zombies and all that shit for years. 678 00:33:41,233 --> 00:33:43,867 - For the amount of money that was in the film, 679 00:33:43,900 --> 00:33:45,467 I couldn't understand how they could afford an 680 00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:47,200 effect like that, 681 00:33:47,233 --> 00:33:48,867 especially when I had to chase the 682 00:33:48,900 --> 00:33:50,600 guy around for my paycheck. 683 00:33:50,633 --> 00:33:53,533 - Usually, the lower the budget, the cornier it looks, 684 00:33:53,567 --> 00:33:55,433 there's ketchup packets squirting in the air. 685 00:33:55,467 --> 00:33:58,800 This... I was pretty convinced that something had 686 00:33:58,833 --> 00:33:59,667 really happened there. 687 00:34:24,833 --> 00:34:25,667 [Thunder] 688 00:34:50,967 --> 00:34:53,067 - We should almost be there. 689 00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:56,133 - Yeah, you said that an hour ago. 690 00:34:57,733 --> 00:35:01,800 - Ramirez said it wouldn't be that easy to find. 691 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,367 - Holy shit! 692 00:35:19,033 --> 00:35:21,100 [flies buzzing] 693 00:35:27,933 --> 00:35:29,467 [shouting] 694 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:41,633 [Grunting] 695 00:35:47,733 --> 00:35:48,567 [Whistles] 696 00:35:53,867 --> 00:35:54,933 - Wait! 697 00:35:54,967 --> 00:35:55,733 This all seems damned peculiar. 698 00:35:57,533 --> 00:35:59,533 [tribal calls] 699 00:36:05,633 --> 00:36:06,467 [glass shattering] 700 00:36:16,867 --> 00:36:17,700 Fuck! 701 00:36:18,967 --> 00:36:21,300 [fast drumbeat] 702 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,033 [crunch] 703 00:36:47,067 --> 00:36:48,300 [screams] 704 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:58,433 [crunch] 705 00:36:59,033 --> 00:36:59,767 [gurgling] 706 00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:02,000 [snarl] 707 00:37:07,967 --> 00:37:10,500 - [Narrator] "Culture Shock" attracted the 708 00:37:10,533 --> 00:37:12,267 scrutiny of Damien Long, 709 00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:15,100 the eccentric New York-based producer and impresario. 710 00:37:15,133 --> 00:37:17,433 Long screened the film at midnight for several months at 711 00:37:17,467 --> 00:37:18,633 his popular West Side venue, the Omicron Theater. 712 00:37:18,667 --> 00:37:19,433 - It used to play up and down the East coast 713 00:37:19,467 --> 00:37:19,967 at some midnight shows. 714 00:37:22,767 --> 00:37:24,200 I heard a story, I don't know how true it is, 715 00:37:24,233 --> 00:37:25,833 that somebody got stabbed at one of the movies, 716 00:37:33,733 --> 00:37:34,567 or there was people getting attacked... 717 00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:39,367 - Yes, there were reports of problems, 718 00:37:41,167 --> 00:37:43,967 incidents involving this guy's movies. 719 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,400 - [Chuck] They wound up closing a couple of theaters down 720 00:37:45,433 --> 00:37:47,267 because of that movie, the riots were so bad. 721 00:37:50,300 --> 00:37:52,033 - Two people were killed actually while the 722 00:37:52,067 --> 00:37:54,467 film was running in the theater. 723 00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:57,500 It wasn't a full house but there was enough people there... 724 00:37:57,533 --> 00:38:01,133 I never figured out how these people had their lives taken 725 00:38:01,167 --> 00:38:03,067 violently in the theater with people 726 00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:05,067 sitting all around them. 727 00:38:05,100 --> 00:38:07,200 No one saw a thing. The bodies weren't discovered until the 728 00:38:07,233 --> 00:38:10,467 lights went up after the film was over. 729 00:38:12,867 --> 00:38:14,700 The man who was murdered was stabbed 730 00:38:14,733 --> 00:38:16,567 at the base of the skull, 731 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,033 and the woman had her throat slit. 732 00:38:19,067 --> 00:38:23,233 Also, as I recall, there were pieces of the bodies taken... 733 00:38:24,733 --> 00:38:28,900 and that's the part I had a hard time swallowing. 734 00:38:30,133 --> 00:38:32,233 If you're gonna kill somebody, kill them. 735 00:38:32,267 --> 00:38:34,933 But this business of mutilation... 736 00:38:36,133 --> 00:38:38,667 There was something more going on here. 737 00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:42,867 There seemed to be some connection between this director 738 00:38:44,267 --> 00:38:48,067 and the material he was making, the screening of it, 739 00:38:50,133 --> 00:38:52,233 and bad stuff going down. 740 00:38:54,767 --> 00:38:56,533 And I think that ties into what I found out later, 741 00:38:56,567 --> 00:38:59,000 that he was into black magic, this Lovecraft stuff... 742 00:39:03,933 --> 00:39:05,967 That messes with your head. 743 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,133 And the movies he was making 744 00:39:07,167 --> 00:39:08,167 was messing with other people's heads. 745 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,033 The same thing apparently happened in 746 00:39:11,067 --> 00:39:13,400 some other theaters showing his movies. 747 00:39:13,433 --> 00:39:15,600 So there was really something going on with this 748 00:39:15,633 --> 00:39:17,133 guy and his films. 749 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:23,933 - Mark, hey, it's me. Call me back, all right? 750 00:39:23,967 --> 00:39:25,867 I gotta show you something, you've got to see 751 00:39:25,900 --> 00:39:26,933 what's on this video. 752 00:39:26,967 --> 00:39:28,033 Call me! Bye. 753 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,167 - [Mark on video] Quick, just keep looking, all right? 754 00:39:45,733 --> 00:39:48,667 - [Chris] Okay, now watch. 755 00:39:48,700 --> 00:39:50,500 [Mark screaming on video] 756 00:39:50,533 --> 00:39:52,133 - Go back, go back. 757 00:39:58,467 --> 00:39:59,800 Stop! Play it back. 758 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,033 Freeze. 759 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,600 What the hell is that guy wearing? 760 00:40:04,633 --> 00:40:06,167 - He's wearing a cloak. 761 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:07,400 That's what I wanted to show you, 762 00:40:07,433 --> 00:40:08,533 this guy is wearing some kind of an outfit, 763 00:40:08,567 --> 00:40:10,800 some kind of a getup. 764 00:40:10,833 --> 00:40:12,100 - [Mark] Nobody gets dressed up like that and 765 00:40:12,133 --> 00:40:14,100 attacks somebody unless they've got a reason. 766 00:40:14,133 --> 00:40:15,500 - [Chris] Obviously! That's my point, that's what 767 00:40:15,533 --> 00:40:16,933 I wanted to show you. 768 00:40:16,967 --> 00:40:17,867 - [Mark] That's every reason to stop this project. 769 00:40:17,900 --> 00:40:19,100 - [Chris] Are you kidding? 770 00:40:19,133 --> 00:40:20,533 - [Mark] Go back to the "Blair Witch" project. 771 00:40:20,567 --> 00:40:21,333 I don't care what Ed says about what producers 772 00:40:21,367 --> 00:40:21,733 he says are interested-- 773 00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:24,333 - [Chris] The "Blair Witch" thing is definitely-- 774 00:40:24,367 --> 00:40:25,600 - [Mark] You didn't get your ass kicked! 775 00:40:25,633 --> 00:40:26,800 You try getting your ass kicked and then 776 00:40:26,833 --> 00:40:28,033 decide whether you want to go back to this. 777 00:40:28,067 --> 00:40:29,933 No, I absolutely refuse-- 778 00:40:29,967 --> 00:40:31,200 - [Chris] We've uncovered some big mystery here-- 779 00:40:31,233 --> 00:40:32,300 - [Mark] I don't even want to talk about this 780 00:40:32,333 --> 00:40:33,267 project any more. 781 00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:34,300 - [Chris] You wanna drop this? 782 00:40:34,333 --> 00:40:35,600 - [Mark] Yeah, I wanna drop this! 783 00:40:35,633 --> 00:40:37,133 Because I'm not gonna go back into that situation 784 00:40:37,167 --> 00:40:40,067 and get my ass kicked again, in a cemetery or anywhere. 785 00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:41,533 - [Chris] We'll go back and kick this kid's ass! 786 00:40:41,567 --> 00:40:41,767 I'll tell you what, why don't you two go kick his ass? 787 00:40:43,700 --> 00:40:47,033 If it's not "Blair Witch" I'm out. 788 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,033 - [Chris] "Blair Witch" is done, it's over-- 789 00:40:50,067 --> 00:40:52,500 - So you're telling me you're not going to do 790 00:40:52,533 --> 00:40:53,467 the "Blair Witch" project? 791 00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:54,867 - [Chris] Not at all, no. 792 00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:55,600 - You're gonna do this whether or not I'm in or out? 793 00:40:55,633 --> 00:40:57,033 - [Chris] Yeah! 794 00:40:57,067 --> 00:40:59,067 - Then fine, you guys can do it yourselves. I'm done. 795 00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:00,367 - [Chris] Come on, man! 796 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,833 - [Mark] I'm done. I'm not gonna do it. 797 00:41:02,867 --> 00:41:05,700 [Chris sighs] 798 00:41:05,733 --> 00:41:08,967 - [Chris] That's not quite what I had in mind. 799 00:41:16,333 --> 00:41:17,367 - [Narrator] Impressed by the young filmmaker's 800 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,300 dedication and singular vision, 801 00:41:19,333 --> 00:41:23,500 Damien Long agreed to fund Atticus's next feature project, 802 00:41:24,867 --> 00:41:27,767 a faithful adaptation of Vernon Blake's "Mortal Remains." 803 00:41:30,167 --> 00:41:34,333 - He decided that he wanted to shoot it in Louisiana. 804 00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:39,300 He wanted this Creole vibe that went with the whole story. 805 00:41:44,500 --> 00:41:46,833 - A lot of strange shit happened on that movie too. 806 00:41:46,867 --> 00:41:48,367 - [Chris] What happened there? 807 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,767 - Something happened either between Karl and the law, 808 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,700 or Karl and the locals, 809 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,767 but for some reason it was like, Okay, we're 810 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,133 packing up and we're leaving town. 811 00:42:01,167 --> 00:42:04,800 So he said we'll go back and finish it at 812 00:42:04,833 --> 00:42:07,200 my place in Maryland. 813 00:42:07,233 --> 00:42:08,300 - We were shooting a lot at his property, 814 00:42:08,333 --> 00:42:10,067 at Atticus's property, 815 00:42:11,533 --> 00:42:13,133 and he had some kind of a South American cameraman 816 00:42:13,167 --> 00:42:16,533 Carlos Bene-- something, 817 00:42:16,567 --> 00:42:18,133 I can't remember his last name. 818 00:42:18,167 --> 00:42:20,233 This guy was really strange. 819 00:42:20,267 --> 00:42:22,167 He was right up there with Atticus, 820 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,067 he was like his twin brother. 821 00:42:26,100 --> 00:42:27,967 They were into some weird shit, it seemed like, 822 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,167 the two of them. 823 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,533 - Seemed like he was just a squirrely guy, 824 00:42:32,567 --> 00:42:34,700 didn't seem like you could trust him. 825 00:42:34,733 --> 00:42:36,400 I didn't trust him. 826 00:42:36,433 --> 00:42:37,567 - He was a very strange guy, and 827 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:38,100 he had a lot of really weird demands, 828 00:42:41,633 --> 00:42:45,633 he would ask for strange stuff on the set-- 829 00:42:47,167 --> 00:42:49,767 - [Chris] How do you mean? 830 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:50,600 - We would find the location, 831 00:42:50,633 --> 00:42:51,467 set it up, light it, 832 00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:57,633 and then everyone would have to leave the set, 833 00:42:57,667 --> 00:43:01,500 except Karl and the cameraman and the actors. 834 00:43:03,300 --> 00:43:05,800 - We would have to leave 835 00:43:05,833 --> 00:43:07,800 and we weren't allowed to come back till the next morning, 836 00:43:07,833 --> 00:43:11,100 which didn't make any sense to me, I didn't understand that. 837 00:43:11,133 --> 00:43:15,300 - But then, the next day the actors never came back. 838 00:43:16,533 --> 00:43:18,300 So it was like Gee, 839 00:43:18,333 --> 00:43:22,500 I guess we're doing this all in one take, or one night... 840 00:43:23,367 --> 00:43:25,233 - Every time. Set up, leave. 841 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,533 You know, all the years I've been doing it, 842 00:43:29,567 --> 00:43:31,400 it's the first time that ever happened. 843 00:43:31,433 --> 00:43:35,500 - I never knew why the actors never came back... 844 00:43:35,533 --> 00:43:37,700 and I wasn't about to ask, 845 00:43:38,967 --> 00:43:41,767 because I thought then I might not come back. 846 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,800 So, it sort of scared me. 847 00:44:10,333 --> 00:44:12,900 There were lots of rumors about Karl and 848 00:44:12,933 --> 00:44:16,500 his methods for making movies and stuff. 849 00:44:16,533 --> 00:44:20,700 At one point this big rumor started that Karl was 850 00:44:21,567 --> 00:44:23,333 using dead bodies in his films. 851 00:44:23,367 --> 00:44:24,967 - I heard about it. 852 00:44:26,867 --> 00:44:30,267 I worked with him in the daytime, not at night. 853 00:44:30,300 --> 00:44:34,067 - The whole situation was completely bizarre. 854 00:44:35,267 --> 00:44:36,467 - [Mark] Ed mentioned that this guy was using 855 00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:39,767 dead bodies in his movies, is that true? 856 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,233 - Yeah, it was actually worse than that. 857 00:44:42,267 --> 00:44:45,467 - Right after that whole rumor about using 858 00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:48,933 cadavers and stuff in his films came out, 859 00:44:50,067 --> 00:44:52,800 then there was a series of crimes of 860 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,500 vandalism in cemeteries. 861 00:44:57,533 --> 00:44:59,200 - There was some incident of 862 00:44:59,233 --> 00:45:01,400 cemetery vandalism or something? 863 00:45:01,433 --> 00:45:03,500 - There were rumors about it, 864 00:45:03,533 --> 00:45:05,700 rumors around the set, 865 00:45:05,733 --> 00:45:07,700 but nothing that I knew for certain, no. 866 00:45:07,733 --> 00:45:09,700 Wouldn't surprise me, though. 867 00:45:09,733 --> 00:45:11,333 - Something about cemeteries, or... 868 00:45:11,367 --> 00:45:15,033 - He was accused of doing some grave robbing and stuff. 869 00:45:17,367 --> 00:45:21,200 We couldn't prove it, so he was never charged. 870 00:45:23,833 --> 00:45:28,000 - Everyone just sort of looked toward Karl, 871 00:45:28,867 --> 00:45:31,267 you know? The usual suspects. 872 00:45:31,300 --> 00:45:32,567 - Really disturbing guy, 873 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,567 it's like bad stuff followed him around, 874 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,833 bad people, bad everything. 875 00:45:38,867 --> 00:45:39,967 [Chris] Creeped you out a little bit? 876 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,867 Yeah, creeped me out a lot. 877 00:45:41,900 --> 00:45:44,800 - We'd go to the movies together when we were just kids, 878 00:45:44,833 --> 00:45:46,100 and he always wanted to, 879 00:45:46,133 --> 00:45:47,567 I would say let's go see a western, 880 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,100 no, no, no, let's go see this latest horror film, 881 00:45:51,133 --> 00:45:52,633 and we'd go to that, 882 00:45:52,667 --> 00:45:54,633 and the strange thing was I was just a kid at the time, 883 00:45:54,667 --> 00:45:57,300 I'd be freaked out and scared, 884 00:45:57,333 --> 00:46:00,100 and he was laughing the whole way through. 885 00:46:00,133 --> 00:46:02,900 [manic laughter] 886 00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:07,733 - Scream! 887 00:46:15,367 --> 00:46:16,167 - A lot of strange people in the '60s 888 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:17,667 and he was one of them. 889 00:46:28,833 --> 00:46:31,233 - These people used to come around, 890 00:46:31,267 --> 00:46:32,100 they were, 891 00:46:33,267 --> 00:46:35,100 I don't know how to describe them, 892 00:46:35,133 --> 00:46:36,933 they were just very strange people. 893 00:46:36,967 --> 00:46:40,333 They didn't help on the crew or anything, 894 00:46:40,367 --> 00:46:43,467 but these people would just sit around 895 00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:46,833 on the sets and sit in the background, 896 00:46:46,867 --> 00:46:50,233 sit in the corner and watch us, 897 00:46:50,267 --> 00:46:52,567 and I always thought that was very weird. 898 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,633 - He started associating with different kinds of people, 899 00:47:00,267 --> 00:47:04,433 I don't want to say strange, but...unusual characters. 900 00:47:09,933 --> 00:47:14,033 - Because any time you were involved too closely with Karl, 901 00:47:14,067 --> 00:47:16,900 or any people that he knew, 902 00:47:16,933 --> 00:47:20,833 you never knew what was going to happen next. 903 00:47:28,467 --> 00:47:30,267 - [Narrator] The premiere screening was interrupted by 904 00:47:30,300 --> 00:47:32,467 violence when several members of the audience, 905 00:47:32,500 --> 00:47:35,833 shocked and enraged by the film's horrific content 906 00:47:35,867 --> 00:47:40,033 stormed the projection booth and demolished the 35mm print. 907 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:46,233 - They decided they were going to have this big premiere, 908 00:47:46,267 --> 00:47:48,267 and I didn't go. 909 00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:49,500 - [Chris] Did you go to that? 910 00:47:49,533 --> 00:47:52,133 - Oh, hell no. I wanted nothing to do with it. 911 00:47:52,167 --> 00:47:54,967 - Everything about Karl, the movie, everything, 912 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,267 was just a little too strange for me, but... 913 00:48:00,667 --> 00:48:04,200 During the movie, 914 00:48:04,933 --> 00:48:06,267 a riot broke out. 915 00:48:07,367 --> 00:48:09,000 [shouting and screaming from crowd] 916 00:48:10,167 --> 00:48:10,867 - A riot has erupted at the Patterson theater 917 00:48:12,167 --> 00:48:14,500 during a midnight screening of a horror film. 918 00:48:14,533 --> 00:48:17,433 - They're going crazy in there! 919 00:48:19,167 --> 00:48:21,433 - That movie is sick! It's sick! 920 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:23,667 [shouting and screaming] 921 00:48:26,033 --> 00:48:26,867 - I'm out of here! 922 00:48:29,367 --> 00:48:30,500 [glass breaking] 923 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,667 - Hey, get that out of here! Now! 924 00:48:45,533 --> 00:48:48,433 - It takes a strong stomach just to get through the book, 925 00:48:48,467 --> 00:48:52,100 so I find it rather astonishing that this Atticus fellow 926 00:48:52,133 --> 00:48:54,733 feels it's suitable meat for a movie. 927 00:48:57,500 --> 00:48:59,400 - Again, extremely violent and graphic. 928 00:48:59,433 --> 00:49:00,733 Extremely graphic. 929 00:49:00,767 --> 00:49:04,100 In fact, that's part of its mythology. 930 00:49:05,567 --> 00:49:08,400 - [Chris] So "Mortal Remains" was never seen, right? 931 00:49:08,433 --> 00:49:09,267 That was it? 932 00:49:10,467 --> 00:49:13,600 - It was never shown all the way through. 933 00:49:13,633 --> 00:49:16,033 They destroyed it at the theater 934 00:49:16,067 --> 00:49:17,600 the first time it was shown. 935 00:49:18,767 --> 00:49:20,200 - [Mark] But the film was shown... 936 00:49:20,233 --> 00:49:21,367 - The film was shown, but it was shown one time. 937 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:22,800 That was it. 938 00:49:22,833 --> 00:49:26,467 I've never heard of any prints of it being distributed, 939 00:49:26,500 --> 00:49:30,367 I think the last-- from what I understand, 940 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,900 either the film disappeared or was destroyed. 941 00:49:33,933 --> 00:49:35,233 - I just gotta say good luck, 942 00:49:35,267 --> 00:49:37,100 because I don't think anybody's-- 943 00:49:37,133 --> 00:49:41,300 I never heard of anyone seeing any kind of copy. 944 00:49:42,467 --> 00:49:45,433 I think one gentleman who came in said he 945 00:49:45,467 --> 00:49:48,833 had heard of a bit or a clip or something, 946 00:49:48,867 --> 00:49:50,067 like a little piece of the film-- 947 00:49:50,100 --> 00:49:51,433 - [Chris] Bits and pieces of it, yeah. 948 00:49:51,467 --> 00:49:55,067 - Let's just say if you were actually to 949 00:49:55,100 --> 00:49:57,000 have a full copy of it, 950 00:49:57,033 --> 00:49:59,933 that would be like the complete "Metropolis." 951 00:49:59,967 --> 00:50:03,500 - [Chris] There might be other prints out there...? 952 00:50:03,533 --> 00:50:07,500 - There might be. Knowing Karl, anything's possible. 953 00:50:09,700 --> 00:50:11,267 - Mark, listen, it's me. 954 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,467 Seriously, call me back. 955 00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:16,467 I just had a phone call from one of Ed's producer friends, 956 00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:19,000 and there is some real money coming our way 957 00:50:19,033 --> 00:50:20,200 if we finish this thing. 958 00:50:20,233 --> 00:50:23,867 If you want back in, now is the time. 959 00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:25,600 So really, call me back, all right? 960 00:50:25,633 --> 00:50:27,400 This is no joke. Bye. 961 00:50:29,967 --> 00:50:31,833 That might get him on the horn. 962 00:50:31,867 --> 00:50:33,467 - [Josh] Maybe, I don't know man. 963 00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:35,433 he looked pretty mad last time. 964 00:50:35,467 --> 00:50:39,533 - All right, guess who just called me back? 965 00:50:39,567 --> 00:50:42,200 - [Mark] Hey Chris, it's Mark, I just got your message. 966 00:50:42,233 --> 00:50:44,667 How come you're not picking up? 967 00:50:44,700 --> 00:50:46,367 Listen, if something's going down, 968 00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,100 I want to know about it, 969 00:50:48,133 --> 00:50:50,367 especially if there's money involved. 970 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,867 I got medical bills I gotta pay, man. 971 00:50:52,900 --> 00:50:56,067 So call me back and let me know when we can 972 00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:58,433 get together to talk about this, all right? 973 00:50:58,467 --> 00:51:00,867 I'll talk to you then, man. Ciao. 974 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,000 - Well, that didn't take long. 975 00:51:05,033 --> 00:51:07,767 Told you he was gonna call back. 976 00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:10,867 [laughs] 977 00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:12,933 Come on, come on in. 978 00:51:12,967 --> 00:51:13,767 - What's up, man? 979 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,733 - Go get him, Millie. 980 00:51:15,767 --> 00:51:16,767 There's Uncle Marky. 981 00:51:17,867 --> 00:51:19,700 - How are you doing, man? 982 00:51:19,733 --> 00:51:21,467 - You feel better? 983 00:51:21,500 --> 00:51:22,900 - Yeah, much better. 984 00:51:22,933 --> 00:51:24,000 - You look like a million bucks. 985 00:51:24,033 --> 00:51:24,833 - Thank you. 986 00:51:24,867 --> 00:51:25,767 - There's Josh. 987 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:26,967 - Hey Josh, how you doing? 988 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,933 Hey sweetie, what's up? 989 00:51:28,967 --> 00:51:32,033 So tell me about this phone call you had. 990 00:51:32,067 --> 00:51:33,567 They're talking money? 991 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,267 - This guy suggested that there was a big payday at 992 00:51:38,033 --> 00:51:39,267 the end of this thing. 993 00:51:39,300 --> 00:51:40,233 He said there was a lot of money involved. 994 00:51:40,267 --> 00:51:41,533 He didn't mention a number, 995 00:51:41,567 --> 00:51:42,633 but he said there is "potential for 996 00:51:42,667 --> 00:51:45,100 serious remuneration," he said. 997 00:51:47,067 --> 00:51:48,267 - What's your next step? 998 00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:51,433 - My next step is to jump in with both feet. 999 00:51:51,467 --> 00:51:53,600 Start contacting people who were working in the 1000 00:51:53,633 --> 00:51:56,867 area when Atticus was alive and active. 1001 00:51:56,900 --> 00:51:58,333 - Like who? 1002 00:51:58,367 --> 00:52:00,567 - John Waters was making movies in Baltimore in 1972. 1003 00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:01,800 - He wasn't a horror filmmaker... 1004 00:52:01,833 --> 00:52:03,333 - Doesn't matter. He was buying stock, 1005 00:52:03,367 --> 00:52:04,867 he was having film processed, 1006 00:52:04,900 --> 00:52:06,733 I'm sure he want to a lot of the same places. 1007 00:52:06,767 --> 00:52:08,200 - Do you know how to get hold of him? 1008 00:52:08,233 --> 00:52:09,600 - I've got the number for his office, Dreamland. 1009 00:52:09,633 --> 00:52:11,067 We'll give him a call right now. 1010 00:52:11,100 --> 00:52:12,267 - Yeah, that sounds awesome. 1011 00:52:12,300 --> 00:52:13,500 - I've got a lot of stuff to show you, man, 1012 00:52:13,533 --> 00:52:15,033 I've got articles and clippings, photographs, 1013 00:52:15,067 --> 00:52:16,467 a bunch of stuff. 1014 00:52:19,133 --> 00:52:21,500 - I just wanted to ask a couple of quick questions. 1015 00:52:21,533 --> 00:52:22,333 We're doing a documentary. 1016 00:52:22,367 --> 00:52:23,333 - John? 1017 00:52:25,433 --> 00:52:26,600 - [John Waters] Yeah? 1018 00:52:28,067 --> 00:52:29,900 - There's a couple of guys here want to talk to you. 1019 00:52:29,933 --> 00:52:32,767 - Hey, Mister Waters! Hi. My name is Mark, 1020 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,967 I'm a documentary filmmaker, 1021 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,467 and I just wanted to ask you a couple of 1022 00:52:36,500 --> 00:52:38,133 quick questions about a guy who was making movies 1023 00:52:38,167 --> 00:52:39,767 about 30 years ago in Baltimore, 1024 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,967 his name was Karl Atticus-- 1025 00:52:43,433 --> 00:52:46,967 - [John] Susan, can you pick up the phone, please? 1026 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:48,533 - Yeah... 1027 00:52:48,567 --> 00:52:50,067 Turn off the camera, please. 1028 00:52:50,100 --> 00:52:51,033 - Hey, just a couple of quick questions, for God's sake-- 1029 00:52:51,067 --> 00:52:52,600 Forget it, you know what-- 1030 00:52:52,633 --> 00:52:54,433 Hey, Mister Waters-- 1031 00:52:54,467 --> 00:52:56,867 No! Hey, hey, hey, hey! 1032 00:52:56,900 --> 00:52:58,100 Come on, man! I just wanna ask you a 1033 00:52:58,133 --> 00:52:59,900 couple of quick questions! 1034 00:52:59,933 --> 00:53:04,067 What's the big deal? What is the big deal? 1035 00:53:04,100 --> 00:53:05,700 - Please, just go! Just get out of here! 1036 00:53:05,733 --> 00:53:07,733 Just leave now, get out! 1037 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:10,433 - [Mark] I'm going! 1038 00:53:10,467 --> 00:53:11,900 - [Chris] Jesus Christ, what the hell are you thinking, man? 1039 00:53:11,933 --> 00:53:14,333 You chase the guy down a hallway and pound on his door? 1040 00:53:14,367 --> 00:53:15,667 - I'm sorry, all right? 1041 00:53:15,700 --> 00:53:16,800 - He could call the police, 1042 00:53:16,833 --> 00:53:18,300 he could make trouble for us! 1043 00:53:18,333 --> 00:53:19,767 - He's not gonna make any trouble. 1044 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:20,700 Look, I'm sorry, but don't yell at me because he 1045 00:53:20,733 --> 00:53:21,933 won't answer your questions. 1046 00:53:21,967 --> 00:53:23,533 - It's not a matter of answering questions, 1047 00:53:23,567 --> 00:53:25,567 you chased the guy down the hall! 1048 00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,000 You're getting carried away. 1049 00:53:27,033 --> 00:53:28,500 Are you trying to screw up this project? 1050 00:53:28,533 --> 00:53:29,733 Are you trying to sabotage us? 1051 00:53:29,767 --> 00:53:30,967 - I'm not trying to sabotage anything! 1052 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:32,767 Don't even accuse me of that, man! 1053 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,033 - Well, we could have found out some useful information if 1054 00:53:34,067 --> 00:53:35,367 we'd approached him correctly. 1055 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:36,967 - What are you talking about, approaching him? 1056 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,200 He slammed the door in my face before I 1057 00:53:38,233 --> 00:53:39,333 even got back to him. 1058 00:53:39,367 --> 00:53:40,800 [cell phone ringing] 1059 00:53:40,833 --> 00:53:42,667 - [Chris] I don't know man, you're screaming, freaking out-- 1060 00:53:42,700 --> 00:53:43,767 - Hello? 1061 00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:44,900 Hello! 1062 00:53:44,933 --> 00:53:46,100 Fucking A, man. 1063 00:53:47,333 --> 00:53:48,233 - [Chris] Who is it? 1064 00:53:48,267 --> 00:53:49,867 - Third time they called today. 1065 00:53:49,900 --> 00:53:53,400 They hang up every time I fucking pick up. 1066 00:53:57,133 --> 00:53:58,867 - [Chris] Here he is. 1067 00:54:00,300 --> 00:54:01,233 Hi Roland. 1068 00:54:01,267 --> 00:54:02,467 - [Mark] Hey, Roland. 1069 00:54:02,500 --> 00:54:03,800 - [Chris] We'd just like to ask a few more 1070 00:54:03,833 --> 00:54:05,300 question about Karl if we could. 1071 00:54:05,333 --> 00:54:07,733 - I've had some strange phone calls so you'll 1072 00:54:07,767 --> 00:54:08,933 have to excuse me. 1073 00:54:08,967 --> 00:54:10,233 I'm not in the mood for talking now. 1074 00:54:10,267 --> 00:54:11,633 - [Chris] Strange phone calls? 1075 00:54:11,667 --> 00:54:14,400 - That's all right. That's enough. Goodbye, 1076 00:54:14,433 --> 00:54:16,500 take care of yourself. 1077 00:54:16,533 --> 00:54:17,933 - [Chris] Thanks. 1078 00:54:20,067 --> 00:54:21,900 - Are you the guys who've been calling me? 1079 00:54:21,933 --> 00:54:24,767 The phone calls have got to stop and they gotta stop now! 1080 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,000 Get off my property or I call the cops! 1081 00:54:27,033 --> 00:54:28,400 - Hey, listen, we have not called-- We haven't 1082 00:54:28,433 --> 00:54:29,900 made any phone calls, man! 1083 00:54:29,933 --> 00:54:31,633 All we want to do is ask you a couple of quick questions-- 1084 00:54:31,667 --> 00:54:33,133 Would you please just-- 1085 00:54:33,167 --> 00:54:35,667 - No, bloody hell no. 1086 00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:39,000 This has gone too far. I'm getting fucking phone calls now. 1087 00:54:39,033 --> 00:54:41,700 Enough is enough, this has to stop. 1088 00:54:41,733 --> 00:54:45,233 - [Mark] Hey, hey, hey, man! What the fuck? Knock again. 1089 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,400 - [Chris] The American Film Institute denied my 1090 00:54:48,433 --> 00:54:49,833 request for an interview, 1091 00:54:49,867 --> 00:54:51,567 but I did receive an anonymous call from one of 1092 00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,500 their staff members. 1093 00:54:53,533 --> 00:54:54,567 [Man on phone] The only reason I'm talking to 1094 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:55,967 you is to warn you. 1095 00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,000 A lot of people in Hollywood don't want this 1096 00:54:58,033 --> 00:54:58,800 story to come out, 1097 00:54:58,833 --> 00:55:00,100 ever. 1098 00:55:00,133 --> 00:55:01,333 A lot of people who saw Karl's movies when 1099 00:55:01,367 --> 00:55:02,567 they came out in the '70s, 1100 00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,200 let's just say they "borrowed" from them. 1101 00:55:05,233 --> 00:55:08,700 They made their reputations on things Karl came up with. 1102 00:55:08,733 --> 00:55:10,100 They're powerful people, 1103 00:55:10,133 --> 00:55:11,200 they're connected people, and they will make 1104 00:55:11,233 --> 00:55:13,433 life miserable for you. 1105 00:55:13,467 --> 00:55:15,600 I've seen how they can do it. 1106 00:55:15,633 --> 00:55:17,700 You guys need to drop this. 1107 00:55:17,733 --> 00:55:21,067 There's a good reason that Karl is dead. 1108 00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:26,567 - [Chris] What happened to Karl? He just kind of-- 1109 00:55:27,767 --> 00:55:30,533 - He sort of dropped out of the picture. 1110 00:55:32,033 --> 00:55:35,633 No one had seen or heard from him for a while, and 1111 00:55:35,667 --> 00:55:39,500 then I heard that he was down at his place, at 1112 00:55:41,467 --> 00:55:45,133 his old house and he went out in the woods, 1113 00:55:46,333 --> 00:55:48,900 took a shotgun and blew his head off. 1114 00:55:48,933 --> 00:55:51,933 - [Chris] He died like around '73 I think. '73? 1115 00:55:51,967 --> 00:55:55,100 - Yeah, I read that he killed himself. 1116 00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,200 Might give you some insight on his character. 1117 00:55:59,233 --> 00:56:02,400 - Good riddance, I'm glad he's off this planet. 1118 00:56:02,433 --> 00:56:05,700 I feel a lot safer with him not around. 1119 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,267 - I don't think anybody liked the guy. 1120 00:56:09,300 --> 00:56:13,233 He's probably rotting in hell where he belongs. 1121 00:56:17,133 --> 00:56:18,767 - [Narrator] Today, in this shady grove near 1122 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,200 Jessup, Maryland, 1123 00:56:20,233 --> 00:56:23,333 a local sportsman made a gruesome discovery. 1124 00:56:23,367 --> 00:56:26,367 Andrew Gresh was enjoying an afternoon of squirrel hunting 1125 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,933 when he spotted a human hand protruding from 1126 00:56:28,967 --> 00:56:30,300 the undergrowth. 1127 00:56:31,167 --> 00:56:32,700 - I was about to light my pipe, 1128 00:56:32,733 --> 00:56:35,467 blew out the match and went to toss it away, 1129 00:56:35,500 --> 00:56:37,833 when I saw a hand sticking out of the bushes. 1130 00:56:37,867 --> 00:56:40,733 It was the most horrible thing I've seen in my life. 1131 00:56:40,767 --> 00:56:42,567 - [Narrator] Though the condition of the body precludes 1132 00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,733 any immediate identification, 1133 00:56:44,767 --> 00:56:47,833 there's some speculation that the body may be that of 1134 00:56:47,867 --> 00:56:51,200 local filmmaker Karl Atticus, who was reported 1135 00:56:51,233 --> 00:56:55,333 missing six weeks ago amid wild rumors of occult activity. 1136 00:56:56,733 --> 00:56:59,100 - Well, we found a body that had been in the woods for an 1137 00:56:59,133 --> 00:57:01,300 extensive amount of time. There was an extensive amount of 1138 00:57:01,333 --> 00:57:03,633 decomposition and we'll have to determine later 1139 00:57:03,667 --> 00:57:05,267 exactly how long and exactly what happened, 1140 00:57:05,300 --> 00:57:07,733 but at this time we're considering this to be a suicide. 1141 00:57:07,767 --> 00:57:09,700 A weapon was located near the body that was capable of 1142 00:57:09,733 --> 00:57:12,933 producing the type of trauma that was displayed. 1143 00:57:12,967 --> 00:57:15,567 - [Narrator] While it is known that some unusual 1144 00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,600 discoveries were made by federal investigators at 1145 00:57:17,633 --> 00:57:19,800 his Loch Raven residence, 1146 00:57:19,833 --> 00:57:21,633 no details have yet been made public 1147 00:57:21,667 --> 00:57:23,767 regarding those discoveries. 1148 00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,400 - Supposedly it was him. 1149 00:57:31,267 --> 00:57:33,267 The reason why we definitely couldn't say it was him 1150 00:57:33,300 --> 00:57:36,200 is that his head was blown off. 1151 00:57:37,367 --> 00:57:39,333 They found a shotgun nearby, but it wasn't 1152 00:57:39,367 --> 00:57:43,467 close enough where he could have done it himself. 1153 00:57:45,500 --> 00:57:48,633 - What I heard was that the only way they could identify his 1154 00:57:48,667 --> 00:57:52,833 body was by that strange tattoo he had. 1155 00:57:54,233 --> 00:57:56,333 I wanted to ask him about it, but I was afraid. 1156 00:57:56,367 --> 00:58:00,533 I didn't know what it signified or what it meant, 1157 00:58:01,733 --> 00:58:03,033 so I'd just check it out once in a while 1158 00:58:03,067 --> 00:58:04,967 when he wasn't looking. 1159 00:58:07,567 --> 00:58:11,167 Now, this is weird, because the people who used to 1160 00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,300 come and hang around on the set... 1161 00:58:14,333 --> 00:58:18,500 one of those guys, he had the same tattoo as Karl, 1162 00:58:20,167 --> 00:58:21,933 and I thought, "Well, that's very strange," 1163 00:58:21,967 --> 00:58:25,767 because it was a really weird, unique tattoo. 1164 00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,967 I just thought-- I didn't know if it was a club, 1165 00:58:33,433 --> 00:58:37,400 or I couldn't figure out why two guys would 1166 00:58:37,433 --> 00:58:39,367 have the same exact tattoo. 1167 00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,700 - Who knows, with him? He could do anything. 1168 00:58:41,733 --> 00:58:44,867 I wouldn't put it past him to stage his own death. 1169 00:58:44,900 --> 00:58:47,967 - It concerned our department, 1170 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,833 so we started looking into it. 1171 00:58:49,867 --> 00:58:52,867 - We all knew Karl, and we knew how strange he was, 1172 00:58:52,900 --> 00:58:56,933 so anything that happened was not beyond the realm of 1173 00:58:58,133 --> 00:59:01,867 belief. Anything was possible with Karl. 1174 00:59:01,900 --> 00:59:03,367 - [Chris] There was rumors that he was in a cult, 1175 00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,233 did you find any evidence of that? 1176 00:59:08,300 --> 00:59:09,200 - Well, um... 1177 00:59:11,067 --> 00:59:13,800 - You know, your imagination makes you crazy, 1178 00:59:13,833 --> 00:59:16,300 so I was imagining all kinds of things, 1179 00:59:16,333 --> 00:59:18,533 and I think everyone was. 1180 00:59:18,567 --> 00:59:22,067 Because Karl was just that kind of guy. 1181 00:59:22,100 --> 00:59:25,433 - We got a warrant to go into his house. 1182 00:59:27,700 --> 00:59:28,700 What we found in that house 1183 00:59:31,133 --> 00:59:33,933 was pretty disturbing. 1184 00:59:33,967 --> 00:59:37,067 Really strange, really bone chilling. 1185 00:59:40,633 --> 00:59:42,633 How do I say this? 1186 00:59:42,667 --> 00:59:46,833 He had a collection that no human should ever have. 1187 00:59:49,567 --> 00:59:51,367 I don't wanna get into the details, 1188 00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,500 because it scares the shit out of me. 1189 00:59:58,033 --> 01:00:02,067 It was so crazy that the FBI came in and took over the 1190 01:00:02,100 --> 01:00:05,233 investigation and threw us out. 1191 01:00:05,267 --> 01:00:06,667 I was happy about that, 1192 01:00:06,700 --> 01:00:09,467 because what I saw-- It creeped me out, 1193 01:00:11,667 --> 01:00:14,367 knowing that he might still be out there. 1194 01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,200 - [Chris] What do you think? 1195 01:00:16,233 --> 01:00:17,267 Do you think it was him they found? 1196 01:00:17,300 --> 01:00:18,533 - I don't think so. 1197 01:00:18,567 --> 01:00:21,233 There's things that just don't add up. 1198 01:00:21,267 --> 01:00:24,333 The tattoo, where they found the weapon... 1199 01:00:27,700 --> 01:00:31,033 - [Chris] What if he is still out there? 1200 01:00:35,067 --> 01:00:38,200 All right, well, it's not over here either. 1201 01:00:38,233 --> 01:00:40,500 We've pretty much exhausted all the main 1202 01:00:40,533 --> 01:00:43,033 branches of the cemetery here. 1203 01:00:45,100 --> 01:00:49,267 The caretaker did say he thought it was in this direction, 1204 01:00:50,433 --> 01:00:51,367 but-- I don't know, this is pretty much the 1205 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:52,200 end of the road over here. 1206 01:00:52,233 --> 01:00:53,233 Looks like it, anyway. 1207 01:00:53,267 --> 01:00:55,033 - [Josh] Are you sure? 1208 01:00:56,667 --> 01:00:58,600 What about down there? 1209 01:00:58,633 --> 01:01:00,167 - [Chris] No, Mark and I have already checked 1210 01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,333 out stuff down there, 1211 01:01:02,367 --> 01:01:06,533 unless...maybe past that, if that's another old wing-- 1212 01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:09,033 - Hey! 1213 01:01:09,067 --> 01:01:11,933 - Oh shit, it's that cemetery guy again. 1214 01:01:11,967 --> 01:01:14,200 - [Josh] What cemetery guy? 1215 01:01:15,867 --> 01:01:17,733 - [Mark] So is Josh not coming at all? 1216 01:01:17,767 --> 01:01:21,833 - [Chris] No, not tonight. Just me and you. 1217 01:01:21,867 --> 01:01:23,067 Is that working or what? 1218 01:01:23,100 --> 01:01:24,567 - [Mark] I mean, it's functional... 1219 01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,100 I can record with it, if that's what you're asking. 1220 01:01:27,133 --> 01:01:30,167 It's just-- he's got it locked on some sort of user setting, 1221 01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:33,433 so I can't figure out. I'm not going to be able to 1222 01:01:33,467 --> 01:01:35,533 get into it until he gives me whatever code he's set. 1223 01:01:35,567 --> 01:01:37,900 It's like it's-- I don't know. 1224 01:01:39,100 --> 01:01:40,367 - [Chris] But it's in focus? 1225 01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:41,833 - [Mark] Yes, it'll work. 1226 01:01:41,867 --> 01:01:43,067 - [Chris] You can shoot with the thing? 1227 01:01:43,100 --> 01:01:44,100 - [Mark] Yes, I can film and I can record, if 1228 01:01:44,133 --> 01:01:45,367 that's what you're asking. 1229 01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:46,633 When is this guy supposed to call? 1230 01:01:46,667 --> 01:01:48,433 - [Chris] Any time. He didn't say when, he just 1231 01:01:48,467 --> 01:01:50,767 said, "I'll call tonight." 1232 01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,667 - [Mark] You film it, I gotta take a leak. 1233 01:01:53,700 --> 01:01:55,833 - [Chris] Jesus, hold on, I'm getting a piece of paper-- 1234 01:01:55,867 --> 01:01:59,967 I understand. I know where that is. Yes, I do. 1235 01:02:00,633 --> 01:02:00,933 What time? 1236 01:02:04,133 --> 01:02:06,400 Okay. And-- No cameras. Got it. 1237 01:02:07,500 --> 01:02:08,400 Okay, we'll-- 1238 01:02:09,467 --> 01:02:11,100 Hello? 1239 01:02:11,133 --> 01:02:13,033 Hello? Okay, he's gone. 1240 01:02:13,067 --> 01:02:14,267 - [Mark] What did he-- 1241 01:02:14,300 --> 01:02:16,867 - He insisted that there're no cameras, 1242 01:02:16,900 --> 01:02:20,200 and he said he's got some very crucial information about 1243 01:02:20,233 --> 01:02:23,033 Karl Atticus and he wants us to meet him at a parking lot. 1244 01:02:23,067 --> 01:02:24,033 - [Mark] Parking lot? Why? 1245 01:02:24,067 --> 01:02:26,867 - A parking garage, actually. 1246 01:02:26,900 --> 01:02:28,300 He's not gonna see that, is he? 1247 01:02:28,333 --> 01:02:30,567 - [Mark] I hope he doesn't. 1248 01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:32,433 - [Chris] It's gonna freak this guy out. 1249 01:02:32,467 --> 01:02:33,633 He might have something important to say. 1250 01:02:33,667 --> 01:02:34,833 - [Mark] Well, I know, but I feel like we 1251 01:02:34,867 --> 01:02:36,767 should at least document it somehow. 1252 01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:38,467 - [Chris] All right, as long as he doesn't-- 1253 01:02:38,500 --> 01:02:40,167 Is that him? Is that him? 1254 01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:41,700 There he is, gotta be. 1255 01:02:41,733 --> 01:02:44,900 - [Mark] Let's go, let's go, let's go. 1256 01:04:56,767 --> 01:04:59,033 Thank you. Thanks a lot, sir. 1257 01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:05,067 Just a couple of quick questions. 1258 01:05:05,100 --> 01:05:06,800 Just one more question, two more questions-- 1259 01:05:06,833 --> 01:05:08,433 - You'll have to talk to somebody else. 1260 01:05:08,467 --> 01:05:11,900 - Hey, Mister Tallo, all I want to do is ask-- 1261 01:05:12,900 --> 01:05:13,733 Fuck. 1262 01:05:16,933 --> 01:05:18,567 So we just got a police report-- 1263 01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:19,933 - File. 1264 01:05:19,967 --> 01:05:23,500 - A file from the Baltimore Police Department, 1265 01:05:23,533 --> 01:05:27,133 and this is the file on Karl Atticus's apparent suicide. 1266 01:05:27,167 --> 01:05:29,700 It's in the public domain because the case is closed. 1267 01:05:29,733 --> 01:05:31,200 - Here he is! 1268 01:05:31,233 --> 01:05:33,633 - And there we have it! Karl Atticus, ladies and gentlemen. 1269 01:05:33,667 --> 01:05:35,533 Look at this shit! Unbelievable. 1270 01:05:35,567 --> 01:05:37,667 - There's the body, look. 1271 01:05:38,967 --> 01:05:40,633 - It's says "unidentified corpse," too. 1272 01:05:40,667 --> 01:05:43,700 We finally got it. We requested this months ago. 1273 01:05:43,733 --> 01:05:46,633 Anyway, the case is closed, so the information is 1274 01:05:46,667 --> 01:05:48,367 in the public domain. 1275 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,567 - Wait-- We've got an address! 1276 01:05:52,267 --> 01:05:54,333 I don't see any houses at all out here. 1277 01:05:54,367 --> 01:05:56,600 - [Mark] There hasn't been a house for like four miles. 1278 01:05:56,633 --> 01:05:58,067 - [Chris] Yeah, I think we should turn back. 1279 01:05:58,100 --> 01:05:59,300 There's nothing down here. 1280 01:05:59,333 --> 01:06:00,967 Are you sure you got the address right? 1281 01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:02,200 - [Mark] Yeah. I mean, any farther and we're 1282 01:06:02,233 --> 01:06:04,300 gonna end up being off the map. 1283 01:06:04,333 --> 01:06:08,300 This road is supposed to have ended like half a mile ago. 1284 01:06:08,333 --> 01:06:11,667 - [Chris] We're like, out in the country here. 1285 01:06:11,700 --> 01:06:14,100 - [Mark] Whoa, slow down, slow down, slow down! 1286 01:06:14,133 --> 01:06:15,367 To the left, go to the left. 1287 01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:16,267 - [Chris] What? 1288 01:06:16,300 --> 01:06:18,533 - [Mark] To the left! 1289 01:06:18,567 --> 01:06:20,967 Yeah, keep going straight. 1290 01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:22,333 - [Chris] What, what, what? 1291 01:06:22,367 --> 01:06:24,367 - [Mark] Right there! Can't you see it? 1292 01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:25,967 Look up! 1293 01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:27,600 - [Chris] Holy shit! 1294 01:06:27,633 --> 01:06:31,467 - [Mark] That's it, behind all them damn trees! 1295 01:06:32,633 --> 01:06:35,033 - [Chris] This place is creepy as shit. 1296 01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:39,867 Where are you going? 1297 01:06:44,467 --> 01:06:48,633 - There's a back door, and there's a window next to it. 1298 01:06:51,967 --> 01:06:55,033 The front door's all boarded up. 1299 01:06:55,067 --> 01:06:55,900 Here-- 1300 01:06:57,267 --> 01:07:01,500 Hey, we left the flashlight. It's still in the car. 1301 01:07:02,233 --> 01:07:05,000 [crickets chirping] 1302 01:07:08,833 --> 01:07:11,033 You got a screwdriver? 1303 01:07:11,067 --> 01:07:15,067 - [Josh] Are we breaking into a house? For real? 1304 01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,833 - [Chris] Just watch where you're going. 1305 01:07:27,867 --> 01:07:29,133 - [Mark] Jesus. 1306 01:07:36,900 --> 01:07:39,667 - [Chris] Mark, check out this-- 1307 01:07:39,700 --> 01:07:41,533 There's another room. 1308 01:07:48,067 --> 01:07:49,500 Let's go upstairs. 1309 01:07:51,167 --> 01:07:52,600 Let's go upstairs. 1310 01:08:06,567 --> 01:08:07,833 Check this out. 1311 01:08:14,900 --> 01:08:16,967 Man, this place is a shithole. 1312 01:08:20,533 --> 01:08:24,700 Look at this crap. The wall's falling apart, Jesus. 1313 01:08:40,500 --> 01:08:43,267 This looks like somebody's been here recently. 1314 01:08:43,300 --> 01:08:46,133 - [Josh] Like, homeless people or something? 1315 01:08:49,567 --> 01:08:52,900 [strange noise] 1316 01:08:52,933 --> 01:08:53,733 Shhh! 1317 01:08:54,933 --> 01:08:55,767 - [Josh] What? 1318 01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:56,933 - Did you hear that? 1319 01:08:56,967 --> 01:08:58,533 - [Josh] No, man. 1320 01:08:58,567 --> 01:08:59,367 - You didn't hear that? 1321 01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:00,467 - [Josh] No. 1322 01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:30,933 Stay close. 1323 01:09:53,500 --> 01:09:54,667 Locked. 1324 01:09:54,700 --> 01:09:57,500 It's locked. It's got a deadbolt on it. 1325 01:10:06,133 --> 01:10:07,667 Whoa... 1326 01:10:07,700 --> 01:10:08,633 Shit, yeah. 1327 01:10:13,533 --> 01:10:14,700 - [Josh] What's in there? 1328 01:10:14,733 --> 01:10:17,933 - Check this shit out, it's a staircase. 1329 01:10:21,967 --> 01:10:24,600 It's some sort of attic. 1330 01:10:24,633 --> 01:10:25,667 - [Josh] Are you going up there? 1331 01:10:25,700 --> 01:10:26,533 - Hell no! 1332 01:10:27,833 --> 01:10:29,833 Here, give me the camera. 1333 01:10:37,700 --> 01:10:40,733 Hey Chris! Where did he go? 1334 01:10:40,767 --> 01:10:43,667 - [Josh] I think he's in the basement. 1335 01:10:43,700 --> 01:10:47,200 - [Mark] The stairs don't look too stable. 1336 01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:51,533 I'm not going up there. 1337 01:10:54,767 --> 01:10:55,600 Chris? 1338 01:10:57,533 --> 01:10:59,033 Where the hell did he go? 1339 01:10:59,067 --> 01:11:00,600 - [Josh] I think he's downstairs. 1340 01:11:00,633 --> 01:11:03,567 - How did he get down there? There's a floor below us? 1341 01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,167 - [Josh] Yeah. It's in the hall, I'm pretty sure. 1342 01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:07,033 - Chris! 1343 01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:13,033 Chris? 1344 01:11:16,233 --> 01:11:17,433 - [loud crash] 1345 01:11:17,467 --> 01:11:19,367 Hey! Hurry up, I gotta show you something! 1346 01:11:20,467 --> 01:11:21,367 - [Mark] Jesus Christ, what is it? 1347 01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:22,300 Josh, man, watch your step. 1348 01:11:22,333 --> 01:11:24,233 - [Josh] Got it. 1349 01:11:24,267 --> 01:11:27,100 - [Mark] What? This house is huge. 1350 01:11:28,033 --> 01:11:30,467 - [Chris] Watch your step, man. 1351 01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,300 - Look at this! It's a cipher-- 1352 01:11:38,367 --> 01:11:41,733 It's a Vernon Blake cipher, like in the book! 1353 01:11:41,767 --> 01:11:44,033 Remember the book that Peter Flood showed us? 1354 01:11:44,067 --> 01:11:46,400 In "Mortal Remains," these were the kind of ciphers 1355 01:11:47,300 --> 01:11:48,533 that Vernon Blake was using. 1356 01:11:48,567 --> 01:11:49,500 - What the hell are you talking about? 1357 01:11:49,533 --> 01:11:51,033 - [Josh] He wasn't there, Chris. 1358 01:11:51,067 --> 01:11:52,567 - Oh shit. Here, hold this, I gotta get a picture of that. 1359 01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,000 Vernon Blake used ciphers like these in his books. 1360 01:11:55,033 --> 01:11:56,733 - Well, what the hell is it doing here? 1361 01:11:56,767 --> 01:11:58,867 - I don't know, but I'm taking a goddamn picture, 1362 01:11:58,900 --> 01:12:00,300 that's for sure. 1363 01:12:02,433 --> 01:12:03,967 [rattling noise] 1364 01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,767 - Shit, what was that? 1365 01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:07,300 Did you hear that? 1366 01:12:10,267 --> 01:12:12,000 There's someone here. 1367 01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:15,500 - Go, go, go, get out of here. 1368 01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:17,733 - Go, go. 1369 01:12:20,933 --> 01:12:23,167 - That's the only way out. 1370 01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:24,767 - Jesus Christ. Let's go, now! 1371 01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,600 - [Chris] Don't fucking move. 1372 01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,400 There's more than one of them. 1373 01:12:34,433 --> 01:12:36,933 There's two sets of footsteps. 1374 01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,767 What the fuck are they doing up there? 1375 01:12:43,767 --> 01:12:44,567 What's that? 1376 01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:45,433 Shhh! 1377 01:12:46,067 --> 01:12:46,600 Oh shit... 1378 01:12:47,367 --> 01:12:49,133 [distant screaming] 1379 01:12:49,167 --> 01:12:50,467 Go, go! Now, go! 1380 01:12:57,300 --> 01:12:58,400 - [Mark] Look! The door's open! 1381 01:12:58,433 --> 01:12:59,333 - [Chris] I don't give a shit-- 1382 01:12:59,367 --> 01:13:00,267 - [Mark] Did you leave it open? 1383 01:13:00,300 --> 01:13:01,800 - [Chris] Come on! 1384 01:13:04,833 --> 01:13:06,033 - [Mark] Who has the key, do you have the key? 1385 01:13:06,067 --> 01:13:08,733 - [Josh] No, I don't have the fucking key! 1386 01:13:08,767 --> 01:13:12,367 - [Mark] Go, go, go, let's get out of here! 1387 01:13:13,533 --> 01:13:14,700 What was that? 1388 01:13:15,867 --> 01:13:17,867 [Josh] Go, go, go! Let's get out of here, now! 1389 01:13:17,900 --> 01:13:18,900 - [Mark] Go! 1390 01:13:21,333 --> 01:13:23,033 - [Chris] Roll the camera! All the time, 1391 01:13:23,067 --> 01:13:26,300 just keep rolling! That's what I pay you for! 1392 01:13:26,333 --> 01:13:27,367 Is somebody following us? 1393 01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:28,700 - [Mark] No, not that I can see. 1394 01:13:28,733 --> 01:13:29,633 - [Chris] All right, we're fine, 1395 01:13:29,667 --> 01:13:30,567 we're going back to the house. 1396 01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:31,800 - [Mark] What the hell was that? 1397 01:13:31,833 --> 01:13:33,033 - [Chris] I don't know, homeless people maybe. 1398 01:13:33,067 --> 01:13:34,467 - [Mark] Didn't you hear that person screaming? 1399 01:13:34,500 --> 01:13:36,167 Homeless people screaming like that? Come on-- 1400 01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:37,433 - [Josh] That's not homeless people. 1401 01:13:37,467 --> 01:13:39,733 - [Chris] Don't worry about it. We're fine, 1402 01:13:39,767 --> 01:13:42,233 we're safe, we're going back to the house, 1403 01:13:42,267 --> 01:13:44,600 we're gonna figure out that fucking cipher. 1404 01:13:44,633 --> 01:13:48,800 - [Mark] I think somebody was in the glove compartment. 1405 01:13:50,033 --> 01:13:51,967 Hurry up, would you? 1406 01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:53,467 - [Chris] Chill out, man. 1407 01:13:53,500 --> 01:13:54,600 - [Mark] Perhaps the cops are coming after us now! 1408 01:13:55,767 --> 01:13:57,000 Look, not now, but that doesn't mean that the 1409 01:13:57,033 --> 01:13:57,733 people that were there might not call them-- 1410 01:13:57,767 --> 01:13:58,967 [Chris] Oh my God-- 1411 01:13:59,000 --> 01:13:59,133 [Mark] Don't "Oh my God" me, Chris! 1412 01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,500 - [Chris] There are no cops-- 1413 01:14:01,533 --> 01:14:02,767 - [Mark] There were people there. Josh, tell him! 1414 01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:04,533 - [Josh] Did you see anyone following us? 1415 01:14:04,567 --> 01:14:06,000 - [Chris] Whoever that was, winos, derelicts, 1416 01:14:06,033 --> 01:14:07,933 they're homeless, they're not calling the cops. 1417 01:14:07,967 --> 01:14:09,133 - [Mark] Derelicts wearing cloaks, 1418 01:14:09,167 --> 01:14:10,167 what are you talking about? 1419 01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:11,600 No! 1420 01:14:11,633 --> 01:14:13,100 Remember the guy that attacked me in the cemetery? 1421 01:14:13,133 --> 01:14:14,933 He was wearing a cloak. These people were wearing cloaks. 1422 01:14:14,967 --> 01:14:16,200 You don't see a connection? 1423 01:14:16,233 --> 01:14:17,433 - [Chris] Blankets or trench coats... 1424 01:14:17,467 --> 01:14:18,900 Did you see people wearing cloaks? 1425 01:14:18,933 --> 01:14:20,333 - [Josh] I don't know if they were wearing cloaks... 1426 01:14:20,367 --> 01:14:23,433 - [Chris] They were homeless people, trust me. 1427 01:14:23,467 --> 01:14:24,933 - [Mark] Chris, we need to talk about this, all right? 1428 01:14:24,967 --> 01:14:26,133 We need to stop-- 1429 01:14:26,167 --> 01:14:27,667 - [Chris] All right, just calm down. 1430 01:14:27,700 --> 01:14:29,267 - [Mark] No I'm not gonna calm down! It stops here! 1431 01:14:29,300 --> 01:14:30,733 - [Chris] I'm gonna go upstairs-- We found a valuable clue, 1432 01:14:30,767 --> 01:14:31,933 I'm gonna go upstairs and print this thing out. 1433 01:14:31,967 --> 01:14:32,867 - [Mark] You're talking about clues, 1434 01:14:32,900 --> 01:14:34,100 I'm talking about the cops! 1435 01:14:34,133 --> 01:14:35,367 - [Chris] There's no cops out there! Relax! 1436 01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:37,000 I wanna print this thing out. 1437 01:14:37,033 --> 01:14:38,433 We're gonna sit down and solve this. 1438 01:14:38,467 --> 01:14:41,200 - [Mark] Who's calling me again? Hello? 1439 01:14:41,233 --> 01:14:42,567 Hello? 1440 01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:44,033 Hello! 1441 01:14:44,067 --> 01:14:48,233 - [Chris] All right, I've decoded the cipher into English, 1442 01:14:49,367 --> 01:14:50,800 and it's definitely the same symbols 1443 01:14:50,833 --> 01:14:54,100 Vernon Blake used that Peter showed us. 1444 01:14:54,133 --> 01:14:58,233 I have 16 english letters now, in no discernible order, 1445 01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:01,233 and four Roman numerals. 1446 01:15:01,267 --> 01:15:02,967 What are you doing? 1447 01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,000 - Just keeping an eye on things, making sure that 1448 01:15:05,033 --> 01:15:07,067 nobody is messing with the fucking car, 1449 01:15:07,100 --> 01:15:10,000 just worry about your pictography thingy there. 1450 01:15:10,033 --> 01:15:13,067 - All right, anyway, I have 16 letters, four Roman numerals, 1451 01:15:13,100 --> 01:15:15,500 I'm not sure how they relate, 1452 01:15:16,633 --> 01:15:19,900 but maybe this decodes into a sentence or 1453 01:15:19,933 --> 01:15:21,600 a word or something... 1454 01:15:24,267 --> 01:15:26,733 - [Josh] That could be a grille cipher. 1455 01:15:26,767 --> 01:15:28,200 - A grill cipher? What do you mean? 1456 01:15:28,233 --> 01:15:29,900 - [Josh] It's a kind of cipher where you have to 1457 01:15:29,933 --> 01:15:33,767 put the numbers at the top of the grid-- 1458 01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:35,733 It's hard to explain. 1459 01:15:35,767 --> 01:15:37,333 - Show me. 1460 01:15:37,367 --> 01:15:38,567 - [Josh] Give me some scissors. 1461 01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,100 All right, so what I did is, I cut out the 1462 01:15:41,133 --> 01:15:43,633 Roman numerals like that, 1463 01:15:43,667 --> 01:15:45,867 so they match up, and you put this over the 1464 01:15:45,900 --> 01:15:50,000 top of the cipher, and that's how you decipher it. 1465 01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:55,133 A... 1466 01:15:55,167 --> 01:15:56,567 T... 1467 01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:57,433 M... 1468 01:16:00,667 --> 01:16:04,833 And then, usually what you do is, you turn it clockwise, 1469 01:16:06,300 --> 01:16:07,900 and then you do the same thing over and over again. 1470 01:16:07,933 --> 01:16:09,200 So, 1471 01:16:09,233 --> 01:16:10,067 F... 1472 01:16:11,067 --> 01:16:12,400 A... 1473 01:16:12,433 --> 01:16:13,333 - [Chris] Look at this! Come on, this is 1474 01:16:13,367 --> 01:16:15,467 amazing stuff he's doing here. 1475 01:16:15,500 --> 01:16:17,233 - [Josh] H... 1476 01:16:18,667 --> 01:16:19,567 - [Chris] That's what it's called, a grille cipher? 1477 01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:20,367 - [Josh] A grill cipher, yeah. 1478 01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:21,167 [Chris] Jesus Christ. 1479 01:16:22,967 --> 01:16:24,233 E... 1480 01:16:24,267 --> 01:16:25,833 R... 1481 01:16:25,867 --> 01:16:26,700 S... 1482 01:16:28,967 --> 01:16:30,567 G... 1483 01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:31,767 Then one more. 1484 01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:35,233 R... 1485 01:16:36,100 --> 01:16:36,933 A... 1486 01:16:38,533 --> 01:16:39,367 V... 1487 01:16:40,533 --> 01:16:41,933 E. 1488 01:16:41,967 --> 01:16:42,967 There we go. 1489 01:16:44,233 --> 01:16:46,000 - [Chris] Oh my Christ, look. 1490 01:16:46,033 --> 01:16:47,200 - [Josh] "At my father's grave." 1491 01:16:47,233 --> 01:16:50,100 - [Chris] I'd say we've solved this one. 1492 01:16:50,133 --> 01:16:53,733 Holy shit. we gotta go back to the cemetery! 1493 01:16:53,767 --> 01:16:55,533 We gotta go back to the cemetery, buddy. 1494 01:16:55,567 --> 01:16:59,500 - [Josh] Wait, isn't that where he got beat up? 1495 01:16:59,533 --> 01:17:01,000 - [Chris] Gotta be something here, I wanna find it. 1496 01:17:01,033 --> 01:17:02,533 - [Mark] Did you hear that? 1497 01:17:02,567 --> 01:17:03,800 - [Chris] Yeah, it's nothing. 1498 01:17:03,833 --> 01:17:05,300 Possums, a raccoon, I don't give a shit. 1499 01:17:05,333 --> 01:17:08,600 Walking around in a cemetery at two o'clock in the morning. 1500 01:17:09,767 --> 01:17:10,600 - [Mark] We're fucking lost is what we are. 1501 01:17:10,633 --> 01:17:11,800 - We're not lost. 1502 01:17:11,833 --> 01:17:12,300 You've been filming this whole time, right? 1503 01:17:13,433 --> 01:17:14,367 - [Josh] No, I just turned it on. 1504 01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:15,633 - Just now? 1505 01:17:15,667 --> 01:17:16,767 - Will you stop talking to him and listen to me? 1506 01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:17,600 - What? 1507 01:17:17,633 --> 01:17:18,800 - We're lost. 1508 01:17:18,833 --> 01:17:20,067 - We're not lost! This is the cemetery, 1509 01:17:20,100 --> 01:17:21,533 it's an older wing of the cemetery. 1510 01:17:21,567 --> 01:17:23,700 - No, we left the cemetery about a half hour ago, Chris. 1511 01:17:23,733 --> 01:17:24,967 We're not in the cemetery. 1512 01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:26,500 - [Chris] He said it was over here- 1513 01:17:26,533 --> 01:17:28,400 - No, you're gonna get us more lost is what you're gonna do! 1514 01:17:28,433 --> 01:17:29,267 Fucking A. 1515 01:17:30,467 --> 01:17:33,067 I'm leaving, all right? I'm done with this shit. 1516 01:17:33,100 --> 01:17:34,667 - [Josh] We can't leave him. 1517 01:17:34,700 --> 01:17:36,633 - I don't fucking care! we're gonna go in this direction, 1518 01:17:36,667 --> 01:17:38,133 the way we came, we're just gonna keep 1519 01:17:38,167 --> 01:17:40,967 walking until we get back to the cemetery. 1520 01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:43,733 - [Chris] Hey, hey! This is it! Come on! 1521 01:17:43,767 --> 01:17:45,000 - [Mark] What are you talking about? 1522 01:17:45,033 --> 01:17:48,133 - [Josh] Let's just get this over with. 1523 01:17:48,733 --> 01:17:49,700 - [Chris] See? 1524 01:17:49,733 --> 01:17:51,200 - [Josh] Whoa! 1525 01:17:51,233 --> 01:17:52,733 - [Chris] I told you. Son of a bitch, right there. 1526 01:17:52,767 --> 01:17:54,533 They moved him out to the perimeter of the cemetery. 1527 01:17:54,567 --> 01:17:55,867 - [Mark] Great, we found something. Now can we go? 1528 01:17:55,900 --> 01:17:57,333 - [Chris] No. Look around, 1529 01:17:57,367 --> 01:18:00,100 see if there's any symbols, any markings on 1530 01:18:00,133 --> 01:18:01,233 the back of the stone, 1531 01:18:01,267 --> 01:18:02,700 look for any other-- 1532 01:18:03,867 --> 01:18:04,767 - [Mark] Nothing on the back side. 1533 01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:05,967 There's nothing, all right? 1534 01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:07,400 - [Chris] All right. Any other graves around? 1535 01:18:07,433 --> 01:18:08,067 - [Mark] No, there's nothing around. Can we go? 1536 01:18:08,100 --> 01:18:09,567 You found it- 1537 01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:10,800 - [Chris] Back to the car. We've gotta get the shovels, 1538 01:18:10,833 --> 01:18:11,800 we're gonna dig the son of a bitch up. 1539 01:18:11,833 --> 01:18:13,633 - [Mark] What? You aren't digging anything-- 1540 01:18:13,667 --> 01:18:14,600 - [Josh] Are you fucking kidding me? No-- 1541 01:18:14,633 --> 01:18:15,900 - [Chris] I'm telling you, we're on the 1542 01:18:15,933 --> 01:18:17,300 verge of finding something-- 1543 01:18:17,333 --> 01:18:18,233 - [Josh] You're kidding. 1544 01:18:18,267 --> 01:18:19,500 - [Chris] Are you rolling? 1545 01:18:20,700 --> 01:18:22,967 - [Mark] No! This is a stupid idea. No! 1546 01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:24,633 We're not digging up graves, Chris! 1547 01:18:24,667 --> 01:18:26,200 - [Josh] Why the fuck do we have shovels? 1548 01:18:26,233 --> 01:18:28,100 - [Chris] I'm gonna break your ass. Take the shovel, 1549 01:18:28,133 --> 01:18:29,467 we're gonna go dig this sucker up. 1550 01:18:29,500 --> 01:18:31,033 - [Josh] Seriously? Mark, seriously? 1551 01:18:31,767 --> 01:18:32,533 Okay, for the record, 1552 01:18:32,567 --> 01:18:33,700 this is not my idea. 1553 01:18:35,667 --> 01:18:37,633 - You are rolling now, though, yes? Right? 1554 01:18:37,667 --> 01:18:38,867 - [Josh] Yes, I'm shooting you guys 1555 01:18:38,900 --> 01:18:40,300 committing a crime, which is asinine. 1556 01:18:40,333 --> 01:18:42,567 - That's fine. Keep rolling, whatever happens. 1557 01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:44,067 - Oh shit, I hit something. 1558 01:18:44,100 --> 01:18:45,000 - Hit what? 1559 01:18:45,033 --> 01:18:46,067 - I don't know what it is. 1560 01:18:46,100 --> 01:18:48,367 - All right, hold on, hold on. 1561 01:18:50,567 --> 01:18:51,400 It's a-- 1562 01:18:52,833 --> 01:18:55,133 - Aw, man, that's sick, you're touching that shit. 1563 01:18:55,167 --> 01:18:56,667 - [Josh] Shouldn't it be in a casket or something like that? 1564 01:18:56,700 --> 01:18:58,633 - [Chris] Yeah, I didn't even dig down that far. 1565 01:18:58,667 --> 01:19:00,300 What's this? 1566 01:19:00,333 --> 01:19:01,133 We've got a skull. 1567 01:19:01,167 --> 01:19:02,000 - [Josh] Shit! 1568 01:19:02,867 --> 01:19:03,867 - [Mark] what's that over there? 1569 01:19:03,900 --> 01:19:05,933 - [Chris] That looks like-- 1570 01:19:05,967 --> 01:19:06,800 hold on-- 1571 01:19:07,667 --> 01:19:08,467 - [Mark] There's two of them! 1572 01:19:08,500 --> 01:19:09,700 - [Josh] Two skulls? 1573 01:19:09,733 --> 01:19:12,767 No, I'm done! No, no, I'm out of here! I quit. 1574 01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:14,100 - [Mark] What are you talking about? 1575 01:19:14,133 --> 01:19:15,067 Josh, no, wait! 1576 01:19:15,100 --> 01:19:16,500 Hold on, dude, whoa! 1577 01:19:16,533 --> 01:19:17,733 What are you talking about? You can't leave now-- 1578 01:19:17,767 --> 01:19:18,867 - [Josh] I'm done! 1579 01:19:20,067 --> 01:19:21,233 - [Chris] There's a lot more here, guys. 1580 01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:24,367 - [Josh] You guys are digging up graves, you're crazy! 1581 01:19:25,833 --> 01:19:27,033 - [Mark] Chris, it's time to go, all right? He's right-- 1582 01:19:27,067 --> 01:19:29,667 - Hold on. There's a lot more going on here... 1583 01:19:29,700 --> 01:19:30,500 - [Mark] Josh, don't leave! 1584 01:19:30,533 --> 01:19:31,333 - [Chris] Jesus Christ. 1585 01:19:31,367 --> 01:19:32,200 - [Mark] Josh! 1586 01:19:33,067 --> 01:19:34,267 We've only got one car, man! 1587 01:19:34,300 --> 01:19:35,733 It's not like you'll be able to get anywhere-- 1588 01:19:35,767 --> 01:19:37,433 - [Josh] I'll hitch a ride, I don't care. I'm done. 1589 01:19:37,467 --> 01:19:38,633 - [Mark] Josh! 1590 01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:44,800 - [Chris] Hold on! I got something here-- 1591 01:19:44,833 --> 01:19:46,033 - [Mark] Chris, he's gone. 1592 01:19:46,067 --> 01:19:47,167 I think he's gonna call the cops... 1593 01:19:48,900 --> 01:19:51,233 - I got something down here that's made of metal. 1594 01:19:51,267 --> 01:19:52,400 - [Mark] What? 1595 01:19:52,433 --> 01:19:54,833 - Look right there, what is that? 1596 01:19:54,867 --> 01:19:57,267 - Help me get this thing out of here. 1597 01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:58,900 This could be it. 1598 01:20:03,700 --> 01:20:06,767 It's clear. What the hell is this? 1599 01:20:07,567 --> 01:20:08,700 [Grunting] 1600 01:20:10,100 --> 01:20:11,833 - It's heavy as hell, whatever it is. 1601 01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:17,267 - [Mark] Jesus Christ! What the fuck is that? 1602 01:20:18,367 --> 01:20:20,933 - [Chris] See that? You see that? 1603 01:20:20,967 --> 01:20:22,400 It's a fucking film can. 1604 01:20:22,433 --> 01:20:23,867 - [Mark] What the hell is that doing here? 1605 01:20:23,900 --> 01:20:25,500 [screaming in distance] 1606 01:20:25,533 --> 01:20:26,667 - [Chris] Oh shit, you hear that? 1607 01:20:26,700 --> 01:20:27,900 - [Mark] It's time to go! 1608 01:20:27,933 --> 01:20:29,167 - [Chris] Let's get the hell out of here! 1609 01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:31,767 Get the camera! Get the camera! Come on! 1610 01:20:34,100 --> 01:20:35,867 - [Mark] Has Josh called you back? 1611 01:20:35,900 --> 01:20:36,733 - [Chris] No. 1612 01:20:38,033 --> 01:20:41,867 Jesus Christ, I think-- I think this is it, man. 1613 01:20:41,900 --> 01:20:43,800 I seriously think this is it. 1614 01:20:43,833 --> 01:20:45,733 I think we fucking found it. 1615 01:20:47,233 --> 01:20:48,467 - [Mark] Fucking A. What did he have it buried there for? 1616 01:20:48,500 --> 01:20:49,733 - [Chris] We gotta call that guy back, 1617 01:20:49,767 --> 01:20:51,933 that guy Dave, we gotta call him. 1618 01:20:51,967 --> 01:20:53,900 [cell phone ringing] 1619 01:20:53,933 --> 01:20:55,633 - [Phone Voice] Call from unknown caller. 1620 01:20:55,667 --> 01:20:56,567 - [Chris] Who's that? 1621 01:20:57,433 --> 01:20:58,800 Maybe we should call the cops. 1622 01:20:58,833 --> 01:21:00,833 - [Mark] Though there's almost certainly evidence of 1623 01:21:00,867 --> 01:21:01,800 criminal activity-- 1624 01:21:01,833 --> 01:21:03,033 Criminal! 1625 01:21:03,067 --> 01:21:04,400 - [Chris] Now we're fucking grave robbers. 1626 01:21:04,433 --> 01:21:05,333 - While cemetery officials have declined to 1627 01:21:05,367 --> 01:21:06,800 make any public statement, 1628 01:21:06,833 --> 01:21:08,033 local and state police were notified immediately, 1629 01:21:08,067 --> 01:21:08,967 and an investigation is currently underway. 1630 01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:10,700 An FBI Behavioral Science unit-- 1631 01:21:10,733 --> 01:21:13,067 Fucking FBI is now involved! 1632 01:21:14,333 --> 01:21:15,567 - [Chris] All right. It's okay. Nobody-- 1633 01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:17,000 - --has stepped in to assist with the 1634 01:21:17,033 --> 01:21:18,200 identification of the remains. Forensic testing-- 1635 01:21:18,233 --> 01:21:19,500 - [Chris] Nobody knows we were there, 1636 01:21:19,533 --> 01:21:21,467 nobody knows we were there, okay? 1637 01:21:21,500 --> 01:21:22,800 - It's the fucking FBI! 1638 01:21:22,833 --> 01:21:23,933 - [Chris] How are they gonna find us? 1639 01:21:23,967 --> 01:21:25,200 [phone ringing] 1640 01:21:26,333 --> 01:21:28,600 - Who the fuck is calling me, goddammit? 1641 01:21:29,867 --> 01:21:30,667 Hello? 1642 01:21:30,700 --> 01:21:31,833 Who? 1643 01:21:31,867 --> 01:21:33,300 Hello? 1644 01:21:33,333 --> 01:21:35,533 Oh shit. Hey, Burian! Dave! 1645 01:21:35,567 --> 01:21:37,067 Yeah, yeah, yeah... 1646 01:21:37,100 --> 01:21:38,833 No, no, no, listen, we've been waiting for 1647 01:21:38,867 --> 01:21:39,700 your call all weekend. 1648 01:21:39,733 --> 01:21:40,700 Here, talk to Chris. 1649 01:21:40,733 --> 01:21:41,967 Put the fucking camera down. 1650 01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:43,000 Here, listen. 1651 01:21:44,500 --> 01:21:48,067 - [Chris] Listen, okay Dave? Yeah, what's going on, man? 1652 01:21:49,533 --> 01:21:52,633 We wanted to ask you again about "Mortal Remains"-- 1653 01:21:53,500 --> 01:21:55,067 Uh, yeah, we could meet you-- 1654 01:21:55,100 --> 01:21:55,933 What? 1655 01:21:57,333 --> 01:21:58,533 how about, like-- 1656 01:21:59,433 --> 01:22:01,033 What time is it? 1657 01:22:01,067 --> 01:22:01,900 How about an hour? 1658 01:22:01,933 --> 01:22:02,967 An hour from now? 1659 01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:04,167 We'll meet you there. 1660 01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:05,633 I got something I want to show you too, 1661 01:22:05,667 --> 01:22:07,100 we're gonna-- 1662 01:22:07,133 --> 01:22:08,033 - [Mark] No, no, no, you don't want to show him anything! 1663 01:22:08,067 --> 01:22:09,900 - [Chris] Yeah, it's dynamite. 1664 01:22:09,933 --> 01:22:11,433 - [Mark] No, no, no, what are you talking about, 1665 01:22:11,467 --> 01:22:12,633 I don't want to transport that thing, 1666 01:22:12,667 --> 01:22:13,900 I don't want anybody to see evidence. 1667 01:22:13,933 --> 01:22:15,433 I don't wanna be walking around with that thing! 1668 01:22:15,467 --> 01:22:16,900 - [Chris] He's the one that said it's worth a goldmine. 1669 01:22:16,933 --> 01:22:18,200 - [Mark] That's exactly right, it's our meal ticket, 1670 01:22:18,233 --> 01:22:19,433 so the last thing we should be doing is 1671 01:22:19,467 --> 01:22:20,233 moving this fucker around and all. 1672 01:22:20,267 --> 01:22:21,667 Just leave it here. 1673 01:22:21,700 --> 01:22:23,533 - [Chris] No, we gotta bring it, we gotta bring it. 1674 01:22:23,567 --> 01:22:24,800 Let's go meet the guy. 1675 01:22:24,833 --> 01:22:25,733 - [Mark] And then the next thing you 1676 01:22:25,767 --> 01:22:27,000 know we're fucking tailed. 1677 01:22:27,033 --> 01:22:28,633 - [Chris] The FBI knows nothing about us, okay? 1678 01:22:28,667 --> 01:22:29,800 - [Mark] I don't want that thing leaving here. 1679 01:22:29,833 --> 01:22:31,133 It's fragile, it needs to be preserved, 1680 01:22:31,167 --> 01:22:32,333 I don't-- 1681 01:22:32,367 --> 01:22:33,267 - [Chris] We're gonna show this to Dave. 1682 01:22:33,300 --> 01:22:34,133 He'll know what it's worth. 1683 01:22:34,167 --> 01:22:35,400 Let's go. 1684 01:22:35,433 --> 01:22:37,100 - [Mark] No, no, no. 1685 01:22:39,533 --> 01:22:41,300 - Holy shit, guys. 1686 01:22:41,333 --> 01:22:43,400 - [Chris] What do you think? 1687 01:22:43,433 --> 01:22:45,233 - This could be it, guys. 1688 01:22:45,267 --> 01:22:46,833 - [Mark] Seriously? 1689 01:22:46,867 --> 01:22:48,667 - I'm totally serious. 1690 01:22:48,700 --> 01:22:51,033 - [Chris] Oh my God. So what do we do, what do you suggest? 1691 01:22:51,067 --> 01:22:54,467 - Well, we've got to get this out of the elements, I think. 1692 01:22:54,500 --> 01:22:58,133 - [Chris] Let's pack it back up. 1693 01:22:58,167 --> 01:23:00,100 - Yeah, does somebody have some gloves? 1694 01:23:00,133 --> 01:23:03,233 - [Mark] Yeah, we've got some in the car. 1695 01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:10,467 - [Dave] Hey, seriously... How did you guys come 1696 01:23:10,500 --> 01:23:11,933 across this thing? 1697 01:23:11,967 --> 01:23:13,933 - [Chris] It's a long story... 1698 01:23:13,967 --> 01:23:16,233 - [Mark] Goddamn, I have no idea what Josh did, 1699 01:23:16,267 --> 01:23:17,833 but he has it locked on some user setting and 1700 01:23:17,867 --> 01:23:20,400 I can't get it unlocked. 1701 01:23:20,433 --> 01:23:21,600 - [Chris] What are you filming for anyway? 1702 01:23:21,633 --> 01:23:22,533 - [Mark] I'm filming everything from now on. 1703 01:23:22,567 --> 01:23:23,667 Let me tell you something, 1704 01:23:23,700 --> 01:23:25,167 I don't trust anybody at this point. 1705 01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:26,633 - [Chris] I don't blame you, but we're still gonna have to 1706 01:23:26,667 --> 01:23:28,167 turn this thing over to somebody to get it restored. 1707 01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:30,800 - [Mark] What are you talking about-- 1708 01:23:30,833 --> 01:23:32,833 [tires screeching] 1709 01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:08,733 [screaming] 1710 01:29:57,667 --> 01:30:00,733 [eerie music] 121257

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