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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:06,233 - Your Honor, it is over now. 2 00:00:08,433 --> 00:00:10,767 [eerie music] 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,000 I know society will never be able to forgive me. 4 00:00:14,033 --> 00:00:17,300 ♪ ♪ 5 00:00:17,300 --> 00:00:19,433 I know the families of the victims 6 00:00:19,433 --> 00:00:20,700 will never be able to forgive me 7 00:00:20,700 --> 00:00:22,266 for what I have done. 8 00:00:22,300 --> 00:00:24,500 - Jeffrey, I hate you, motherf---er! 9 00:00:24,533 --> 00:00:26,467 I hate you! 10 00:00:29,066 --> 00:00:31,367 - For sexual pleasure, he took the life 11 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,033 of a human being. 12 00:00:33,033 --> 00:00:34,133 - He told us how he cooked them, 13 00:00:34,166 --> 00:00:36,133 what they tasted like. 14 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,000 - Never would I have believed 15 00:00:40,033 --> 00:00:41,333 that he was a killer, ever. 16 00:00:41,367 --> 00:00:43,000 - Well, you're looking good. 17 00:00:43,033 --> 00:00:44,734 - I have to start eating at home more. 18 00:00:44,767 --> 00:00:47,066 ♪ ♪ 19 00:00:47,066 --> 00:00:49,200 - We're investigating a homicide. 20 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:50,333 - What would lead a human being 21 00:00:50,333 --> 00:00:53,266 to take 17 lives? 22 00:00:53,300 --> 00:00:57,166 - He was more normal than we want to think he was. 23 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,333 - No one had a clue as to what was happening 24 00:01:01,333 --> 00:01:03,300 for over a decade. 25 00:01:06,333 --> 00:01:08,433 - When you killed these men, 26 00:01:08,467 --> 00:01:11,266 afterwards, were you repulsed? 27 00:01:11,300 --> 00:01:13,000 Were you upset? 28 00:01:13,033 --> 00:01:14,033 - No, it-- 29 00:01:14,066 --> 00:01:16,467 At the time, it was-- 30 00:01:16,467 --> 00:01:18,533 it was almost addictive. 31 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:22,367 - I don't consider myself a victim. 32 00:01:22,367 --> 00:01:24,100 I consider myself a survivor. 33 00:01:24,133 --> 00:01:26,367 - As a 17-year-old kid, 34 00:01:26,367 --> 00:01:29,100 would you really get that out in your unit 35 00:01:29,100 --> 00:01:31,633 that Jeff Dahmer raped you? 36 00:01:35,367 --> 00:01:37,166 - I know Jeffrey 37 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,333 who used to stay across the hall from me. 38 00:01:39,367 --> 00:01:41,600 That Dahmer guy is somebody else. 39 00:01:41,633 --> 00:01:44,166 - You must understand we protect our family. 40 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:45,600 He was our son. 41 00:01:50,100 --> 00:01:52,767 - He fooled so many people 42 00:01:52,767 --> 00:01:55,367 as to his real feelings. 43 00:01:58,100 --> 00:02:01,100 - I knew I was sick or evil or both. 44 00:02:18,100 --> 00:02:20,533 [siren wailing] 45 00:02:20,567 --> 00:02:23,467 - For years, a serial killer 46 00:02:23,500 --> 00:02:26,333 had been preying on the city of Milwaukee. 47 00:02:26,367 --> 00:02:30,266 Finally, in the summer of 1991, it all comes to an end 48 00:02:30,266 --> 00:02:32,400 when a frightened man in handcuffs 49 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,266 approaches police. 50 00:02:34,300 --> 00:02:37,600 He leads them to the home of Jeffrey Dahmer. 51 00:02:37,633 --> 00:02:40,133 - We're investigating a homicide which occurred. 52 00:02:40,166 --> 00:02:42,266 - Obviously that there is-- has been a number 53 00:02:42,300 --> 00:02:44,367 of human specimens found. 54 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,033 - The victim count? 17. 55 00:02:47,066 --> 00:02:49,033 - Police were lead there by a man who told them 56 00:02:49,066 --> 00:02:51,133 he had been attacked with a butcher knife. 57 00:02:51,166 --> 00:02:54,033 - The details are shocking. 58 00:02:54,066 --> 00:02:55,667 - Sources close to the case say 59 00:02:55,700 --> 00:02:58,300 the motive includes elements of sexual violence 60 00:02:58,333 --> 00:03:00,166 and cannibalism. 61 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:01,567 - Jeffrey Dahmer 62 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,033 is a quiet chocolate factory worker 63 00:03:04,066 --> 00:03:07,166 who confesses to the most gruesome crimes. 64 00:03:07,166 --> 00:03:11,166 - Jeff Dahmer is apologetically admitting responsibility. 65 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,400 - Do you know what started it? 66 00:03:13,433 --> 00:03:15,533 Was there any kind of incident that you can remember? 67 00:03:15,567 --> 00:03:18,100 - To this day, I don't know what started it. 68 00:03:18,133 --> 00:03:22,033 And the person to blame is sitting right across from you. 69 00:03:22,033 --> 00:03:23,567 That's the only person-- 70 00:03:23,567 --> 00:03:27,667 not parents, not society, not pornography. 71 00:03:27,700 --> 00:03:29,600 I mean, those are just excuses. 72 00:03:29,633 --> 00:03:32,200 - I'm Nancy Glass. 73 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,200 In 1991, I'm sitting in a newsroom, 74 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:35,700 and a story comes in 75 00:03:35,734 --> 00:03:38,400 that there's been a serial killer in Milwaukee. 76 00:03:38,433 --> 00:03:40,667 He killed people, he dismembered them, 77 00:03:40,700 --> 00:03:44,166 and, worse, he was a cannibal. 78 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:45,467 Well, at first, you just don't believe this. 79 00:03:45,500 --> 00:03:47,533 I mean, you got to look at it twice. 80 00:03:47,567 --> 00:03:50,066 And then, as a journalist, you say, 81 00:03:50,066 --> 00:03:52,333 "I really want to get this story." 82 00:03:52,367 --> 00:03:55,166 So I started communicating with Jeffrey Dahmer's parents 83 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,400 and built a relationship with them. 84 00:03:57,433 --> 00:04:00,567 Eventually, Jeffrey and I started writing back and forth. 85 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,533 And then, a year and a half later, 86 00:04:03,567 --> 00:04:06,066 I found myself sitting opposite him 87 00:04:06,066 --> 00:04:09,567 at the Columbia Correctional Institute in Wisconsin. 88 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,633 You know, people always wonder, was I afraid of him? 89 00:04:12,667 --> 00:04:15,200 Well, I wasn't, because by the time 90 00:04:15,233 --> 00:04:18,600 I was sitting opposite him, his killing spree was over. 91 00:04:18,633 --> 00:04:22,200 In fact, he appeared to be completely normal. 92 00:04:22,233 --> 00:04:26,166 That was actually what was so unsettling. 93 00:04:28,333 --> 00:04:29,734 Were you molested? 94 00:04:29,767 --> 00:04:31,633 - Never. Never. 95 00:04:31,633 --> 00:04:34,467 - In your childhood, you have any memories 96 00:04:34,500 --> 00:04:37,200 of anything that you would associate 97 00:04:37,233 --> 00:04:38,367 with what you became? 98 00:04:38,367 --> 00:04:40,233 - No, that's the strange thing. 99 00:04:40,233 --> 00:04:42,567 I can't pinpoint anything. 100 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,700 - So there was nothing in your childhood-- 101 00:04:44,734 --> 00:04:46,300 - No, no abuse-- 102 00:04:46,333 --> 00:04:48,500 no physical abuse, no verbal abuse. 103 00:04:48,533 --> 00:04:52,266 It was a normal childhood in a good home. 104 00:04:52,300 --> 00:04:57,367 Something went awry in my thought life. 105 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,400 I don't know why. 106 00:05:02,533 --> 00:05:04,533 - There's no single history 107 00:05:04,533 --> 00:05:07,367 that causes someone to become a serial killer. 108 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,367 Many of the individuals who are serial killers, 109 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,233 not all of them but many, 110 00:05:11,266 --> 00:05:14,233 have had very traumatic early life experiences. 111 00:05:14,266 --> 00:05:15,667 In Mr. Dahmer's case, 112 00:05:15,667 --> 00:05:17,633 none of that seemed to be present. 113 00:05:20,533 --> 00:05:24,400 - Jeffrey's father, Lionel, now in his 80s, 114 00:05:24,433 --> 00:05:27,633 wanted to talk to us about the boy he knew. 115 00:05:27,667 --> 00:05:30,633 But he only agreed to an on-camera interview 116 00:05:30,667 --> 00:05:33,233 if he could wear sunglasses. 117 00:05:33,266 --> 00:05:36,300 In his mind, they make him less identifiable. 118 00:05:36,333 --> 00:05:38,567 - He loved the place that we lived in, 119 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:43,000 and it was a heavily wooded place. 120 00:05:43,033 --> 00:05:46,166 He enjoyed 121 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,266 his small group of friends. 122 00:05:48,300 --> 00:05:51,700 - He was raised in a somewhat affluent family. 123 00:05:51,734 --> 00:05:54,700 His father had a doctoral degree in chemistry. 124 00:05:54,700 --> 00:05:58,000 The family lived on a 1 1/4 quiet, wooded acres 125 00:05:58,033 --> 00:05:59,400 with a pond. 126 00:05:59,433 --> 00:06:02,000 - While Jeffrey indicated 127 00:06:02,033 --> 00:06:03,533 nothing in his childhood 128 00:06:03,567 --> 00:06:06,300 could have fueled his desire to kill, 129 00:06:06,300 --> 00:06:09,433 according to Lionel and his wife, Shari, 130 00:06:09,433 --> 00:06:10,567 who'd been part of Jeffrey's life 131 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,467 since he was 18, 132 00:06:12,467 --> 00:06:14,567 there was something that affected him 133 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,266 even before he was born. 134 00:06:17,300 --> 00:06:20,333 His mother, Joyce, struggled with mental illness 135 00:06:20,333 --> 00:06:24,200 and took 27 pills a day when she was pregnant with Jeffrey, 136 00:06:24,233 --> 00:06:27,400 including antidepressants, growth hormones, 137 00:06:27,433 --> 00:06:29,667 and progesterone. 138 00:06:29,700 --> 00:06:32,567 - Doctors met with us, and they said 139 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,667 those medicines could have affected the fetus. 140 00:06:35,700 --> 00:06:39,066 And when Jeff was born, 141 00:06:39,066 --> 00:06:42,300 the grandparents were not allowed to hold the baby. 142 00:06:42,333 --> 00:06:44,300 Joyce didn't want anybody touching the baby 143 00:06:44,333 --> 00:06:45,734 or breathing on it. 144 00:06:45,767 --> 00:06:47,667 She was afraid of germs. 145 00:06:47,700 --> 00:06:52,567 They virtually had no contact with Jeff as a baby. 146 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,500 - In my conversations with Lionel, 147 00:06:55,533 --> 00:06:57,300 he told me that in infancy, 148 00:06:57,333 --> 00:07:00,233 Joyce herself rarely touched Jeffrey 149 00:07:00,266 --> 00:07:04,433 except to change his diapers or hold him for a photo. 150 00:07:04,467 --> 00:07:09,300 - There was so much illness with his mother at that time. 151 00:07:09,333 --> 00:07:11,633 She was involved with gestalt therapy 152 00:07:11,667 --> 00:07:14,734 at a local mental health center, 153 00:07:14,767 --> 00:07:17,467 wandering around in the dark, touching people. 154 00:07:17,500 --> 00:07:20,233 Nothing--nothing helped. 155 00:07:20,266 --> 00:07:22,467 - In the midst of this, 156 00:07:22,500 --> 00:07:24,367 Lionel and his first wife, Joyce, 157 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,300 have a second child. 158 00:07:27,333 --> 00:07:30,767 - Jeff noticed that when his younger brother was born, 159 00:07:30,767 --> 00:07:34,500 Jeff no longer had fairy tales from his mother, 160 00:07:34,533 --> 00:07:37,400 stories read at night, and tucking him in. 161 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,000 Jeff felt somewhat left out. 162 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,400 - We were moving at the time, 163 00:07:41,433 --> 00:07:46,667 and he had to leave his favorite kitten behind. 164 00:07:46,667 --> 00:07:51,333 And going to a new school and being only six years old, 165 00:07:51,367 --> 00:07:55,066 he became a little bit more shy, 166 00:07:55,100 --> 00:07:58,100 much like I was in my youth. 167 00:07:59,767 --> 00:08:03,734 - During his adolescence, Dahmer develops a hobby 168 00:08:03,767 --> 00:08:06,767 that would raise eyebrows in the years that followed. 169 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:08,600 Were you obsessed with dead animals? 170 00:08:08,633 --> 00:08:10,467 Is that true? 171 00:08:10,500 --> 00:08:14,400 - I was interested in taxidermy in high school 172 00:08:14,433 --> 00:08:17,700 and experimented with preserving the bones 173 00:08:17,700 --> 00:08:20,367 of dogs and things like that. 174 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:25,633 And whether that had anything to do 175 00:08:25,667 --> 00:08:29,300 with the escalation of the crimes, I don't know. 176 00:08:29,333 --> 00:08:31,533 - He went into further detail 177 00:08:31,567 --> 00:08:35,367 in this interview with a forensic psychologist. 178 00:08:57,567 --> 00:08:59,433 - There are numbers of young people 179 00:08:59,467 --> 00:09:01,667 who might have those same kinds of interests 180 00:09:01,700 --> 00:09:04,700 and don't end up being serial killers. 181 00:09:04,734 --> 00:09:08,467 So in retrospect, had I spoken with him as a teenager, 182 00:09:08,467 --> 00:09:10,166 I don't know that either he or I 183 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,033 would have predicted at that point 184 00:09:12,066 --> 00:09:13,700 that he was gonna end up 185 00:09:13,734 --> 00:09:16,600 being the serial killer he turned out to be. 186 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,433 - Now, I lived with this young man. 187 00:09:18,467 --> 00:09:20,133 He lived in our home. 188 00:09:20,166 --> 00:09:22,066 He had his father's intelligence. 189 00:09:22,066 --> 00:09:23,734 And on the phone, 190 00:09:23,734 --> 00:09:27,066 you could not tell Jeff or Lionel apart. 191 00:09:27,066 --> 00:09:32,066 Jeff was always very gentle, very kind. 192 00:09:32,066 --> 00:09:36,133 - In high school, friends begin to notice 193 00:09:36,166 --> 00:09:38,734 Jeffrey is becoming a different person. 194 00:09:38,767 --> 00:09:43,066 - Jeff's behavior began to be so strange 195 00:09:43,100 --> 00:09:49,467 that I felt very uncomfortable being with him alone. 196 00:09:49,500 --> 00:09:53,367 He liked to act, in his words, "crazy." 197 00:09:53,367 --> 00:09:55,467 He would just start 198 00:09:55,500 --> 00:09:56,600 shrieking, 199 00:09:56,633 --> 00:10:00,600 or he would twist himself up 200 00:10:00,633 --> 00:10:03,100 in a grotesque way 201 00:10:03,133 --> 00:10:05,433 and run with a limp, 202 00:10:05,467 --> 00:10:07,734 almost like Quasimodo. 203 00:10:07,767 --> 00:10:10,200 And I remember one time asking him 204 00:10:10,233 --> 00:10:14,700 why he behaved this way, and he said, 205 00:10:14,734 --> 00:10:18,767 "I just like to shake people up." 206 00:10:24,133 --> 00:10:27,000 - I remember when we had our senior pictures taken, 207 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,467 he got into a lot of the group photos 208 00:10:29,500 --> 00:10:30,734 that he was not a member-- 209 00:10:30,767 --> 00:10:32,633 the National Honor Society group. 210 00:10:32,667 --> 00:10:34,633 Whoever was in charge of that in those days, 211 00:10:34,667 --> 00:10:39,767 they blacked out his face, and it's really creepy. 212 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:44,000 - I had a classmate who said, 213 00:10:44,033 --> 00:10:48,133 "Years ago, we thought that photo was hilarious. 214 00:10:48,133 --> 00:10:52,233 And it's not so funny anymore." 215 00:10:52,266 --> 00:10:56,500 - His brazen behavior continues in the classroom. 216 00:10:56,533 --> 00:10:58,100 - He was drinking beer. 217 00:10:58,133 --> 00:11:00,133 Sometimes he kept it in his locker, 218 00:11:00,166 --> 00:11:02,767 and I guess he kept beer in his car. 219 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,100 Did teachers do anything about it? 220 00:11:05,133 --> 00:11:06,667 Did they know about it? 221 00:11:06,700 --> 00:11:08,567 I'm sure some teachers knew about it. 222 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,000 - I remember distinctly one morning 223 00:11:12,033 --> 00:11:16,166 sitting in class next to Jeff, who had his cup of scotch. 224 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,633 And I said, "Jeff, what is that?" 225 00:11:18,667 --> 00:11:21,700 He just tossed his head back 226 00:11:21,700 --> 00:11:24,233 as though it was no issue at all, 227 00:11:24,266 --> 00:11:27,433 and he said, "It's my medicine." 228 00:11:27,467 --> 00:11:31,667 There was a collective sense of blinders going up, 229 00:11:31,700 --> 00:11:33,133 that people didn't notice 230 00:11:33,166 --> 00:11:35,667 because they didn't want to notice. 231 00:11:35,700 --> 00:11:37,700 - According to Dahmer, 232 00:11:37,700 --> 00:11:42,166 alcohol was a way to drown his growing dark desires. 233 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,266 - I started having these obsessive thoughts 234 00:11:45,300 --> 00:11:48,266 when I was about 15 and 16, 235 00:11:48,300 --> 00:11:50,600 and they got worse and worse. 236 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,200 - What were your fantasies about? 237 00:11:52,233 --> 00:11:54,600 - [sighs] 238 00:11:54,633 --> 00:11:58,066 They were sexual fantasies of control, power, 239 00:11:58,066 --> 00:12:00,066 complete dominance. 240 00:12:00,066 --> 00:12:01,667 They became reality. 241 00:12:01,700 --> 00:12:04,033 - Was there pleasure in that fantasy? 242 00:12:04,066 --> 00:12:07,200 - There was excitement, 243 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,200 fear, pleasure all mixed together. 244 00:12:13,734 --> 00:12:19,133 - He found certain male joggers attractive 245 00:12:19,166 --> 00:12:21,700 and sought opportunities to watch them 246 00:12:21,734 --> 00:12:25,033 and fantasize about them as they jogged past. 247 00:12:26,066 --> 00:12:28,200 There was one particular man 248 00:12:28,233 --> 00:12:33,166 that he would fantasize about having sexual contact with, 249 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,734 but he had no concept of how to make a relationship 250 00:12:36,767 --> 00:12:39,100 with this or any other man. 251 00:12:42,266 --> 00:12:44,100 - He took a bat, 252 00:12:44,100 --> 00:12:45,633 sawed it off and fashioned it as a club, 253 00:12:45,633 --> 00:12:47,233 hid in the woods, 254 00:12:47,233 --> 00:12:48,700 anticipating that he would assault this man. 255 00:12:48,734 --> 00:12:51,700 [dramatic music] 256 00:12:51,734 --> 00:12:54,200 - Teenage Jeffrey sits nervously, 257 00:12:54,233 --> 00:12:57,066 waiting to attack. 258 00:12:57,100 --> 00:12:58,600 But the jogger he has his eye on 259 00:12:58,633 --> 00:13:01,600 doesn't pass that day. 260 00:13:01,633 --> 00:13:04,734 ♪ ♪ 261 00:13:06,133 --> 00:13:08,567 His first target has slipped away, 262 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,333 but his next wouldn't be so lucky. 263 00:13:12,367 --> 00:13:15,633 Up next, the growing desire to kill 264 00:13:15,667 --> 00:13:17,667 is only the beginning. 265 00:13:17,667 --> 00:13:22,200 - I had had fantasies about picking up a hitchhiker 266 00:13:22,233 --> 00:13:25,734 and taking him back to the house 267 00:13:25,767 --> 00:13:29,266 and having complete control and dominance. 268 00:13:35,100 --> 00:13:35,433 In the spring of 1976, 269 00:13:37,300 --> 00:13:38,667 high school sophomore Jeffrey Dahmer's 270 00:13:38,700 --> 00:13:41,367 first planned assault fails. 271 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,200 He's 15, a time when most teenagers 272 00:13:44,233 --> 00:13:47,100 are worried about school and making friends. 273 00:13:47,133 --> 00:13:51,633 And he's already on a path toward his terrible crimes. 274 00:13:51,667 --> 00:13:54,033 - I had normal friendships in high school, 275 00:13:54,033 --> 00:13:58,266 but after that, I started in with the alcohol, drinking, 276 00:13:58,300 --> 00:14:00,567 a lot of solitary drinking, 277 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,400 and really never had any close friendships after that, 278 00:14:04,433 --> 00:14:06,300 after high school. 279 00:14:06,333 --> 00:14:11,000 Just sort of lived in my own thought life, 280 00:14:11,033 --> 00:14:12,367 fantasy world. 281 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,266 - As high school ends, his parents divorce, 282 00:14:17,300 --> 00:14:20,300 and his mother takes off with her younger son, 283 00:14:20,300 --> 00:14:23,033 leaving Jeffrey alone in the house. 284 00:14:23,066 --> 00:14:24,700 - Jeff was left behind 285 00:14:24,700 --> 00:14:28,567 with no money and spoiled milk in the fridge. 286 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,700 I came into the family 287 00:14:31,700 --> 00:14:34,667 at the tail end of Lionel's divorce. 288 00:14:34,700 --> 00:14:36,734 They'd been separated two years. 289 00:14:36,734 --> 00:14:39,333 Lionel was living out of a motel. 290 00:14:39,333 --> 00:14:41,734 Jeff was detached at that point. 291 00:14:41,734 --> 00:14:44,066 He felt somewhat abandoned. 292 00:14:44,066 --> 00:14:45,600 - The first time anybody asked me 293 00:14:45,633 --> 00:14:49,033 about his parents, I was struck by the fact 294 00:14:49,066 --> 00:14:53,166 that I could only answer, "I never knew he had parents." 295 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:58,066 He just seemed like he was kind of a satellite 296 00:14:58,100 --> 00:15:00,033 floating alone. 297 00:15:00,066 --> 00:15:01,734 - He did not like that feeling. 298 00:15:01,767 --> 00:15:04,333 He didn't like his parents leaving him. 299 00:15:04,333 --> 00:15:06,033 And it's in that context 300 00:15:06,066 --> 00:15:08,333 that he committed his first homicide. 301 00:15:08,367 --> 00:15:10,600 - You do sound, though, like the kind of person 302 00:15:10,633 --> 00:15:12,300 who could have said to himself, 303 00:15:12,333 --> 00:15:14,200 "This is wrong. 304 00:15:14,233 --> 00:15:15,734 I must stop." 305 00:15:15,767 --> 00:15:22,200 - I always knew that it was wrong, but... 306 00:15:22,233 --> 00:15:25,100 after the--the first-- 307 00:15:25,133 --> 00:15:29,200 The first killing was not planned. 308 00:15:29,233 --> 00:15:32,433 I was coming back from the shopping mall 309 00:15:32,467 --> 00:15:34,367 back in '78. 310 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:39,200 I had had fantasies about picking up a hitchhiker 311 00:15:39,233 --> 00:15:42,066 and taking him back to the house 312 00:15:42,100 --> 00:15:47,100 and having complete control and dominance over him. 313 00:15:50,500 --> 00:15:53,300 - Dahmer's violent fantasies Dahmer's violent fantasies become reality- become reality 314 00:15:53,300 --> 00:15:57,233 when he crosses paths with 18-year-old Steve Hicks 315 00:15:57,233 --> 00:16:00,500 looking for a ride to a nearby rock concert. 316 00:16:00,500 --> 00:16:05,000 - He picked up a young man that was hitchhiking 317 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,767 and offered him a good time 318 00:16:06,767 --> 00:16:10,000 if he wanted to just stop and visit with him 319 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,500 for a little bit. 320 00:16:11,500 --> 00:16:14,233 Jeffrey Dahmer was attracted specifically 321 00:16:14,233 --> 00:16:16,767 to this individual because he wasn't wearing a shirt. 322 00:16:16,767 --> 00:16:19,367 Throughout the evening, they drank alcohol, 323 00:16:19,367 --> 00:16:22,000 and I understand there might have been marijuana involved. 324 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:26,400 Finally, Steve Hicks said that "I should be going." 325 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,233 - He said, "We drank, he wanted to leave, 326 00:16:29,233 --> 00:16:32,467 and I hit him with a barbell, and I killed him." 327 00:16:32,467 --> 00:16:35,734 He says, "I didn't want him to leave me." 328 00:16:35,734 --> 00:16:37,567 - For sexual pleasure, 329 00:16:37,567 --> 00:16:40,233 he took the life of a human being. 330 00:16:40,233 --> 00:16:42,767 - All of Dahmer's victims were men. 331 00:16:42,767 --> 00:16:44,500 His attraction to men 332 00:16:44,500 --> 00:16:48,133 is what both motivated and repulsed him. 333 00:16:48,166 --> 00:16:49,533 - Never understood it. 334 00:16:49,567 --> 00:16:51,233 There was no use trying to fight it, 335 00:16:51,266 --> 00:16:53,166 because I couldn't rid myself of it. 336 00:16:53,166 --> 00:16:56,166 It was--it was too powerful and persistent. 337 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,000 - Do you dislike it? 338 00:16:58,033 --> 00:17:01,433 - Yes, it's caused a lot of problems 339 00:17:01,467 --> 00:17:03,266 for me. 340 00:17:03,300 --> 00:17:07,000 A lot of conflicts and unanswered questions. 341 00:17:07,033 --> 00:17:09,300 - Jerry Boyle was Dahmer's lawyer. 342 00:17:09,300 --> 00:17:11,300 He believes that Jeffrey's sexuality 343 00:17:11,333 --> 00:17:14,266 did not lead him to violence. 344 00:17:14,300 --> 00:17:19,200 - He was just really very forthright with me. 345 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:24,066 It is my first belief that if he was a heterosexual, 346 00:17:24,066 --> 00:17:26,734 he would have killed girls. 347 00:17:26,734 --> 00:17:30,200 - After Dahmer dismembers Steven Hicks's corpse 348 00:17:30,233 --> 00:17:33,333 and stuffs the remains in a deep drainage pipe 349 00:17:33,367 --> 00:17:35,266 in his parents' backyard, 350 00:17:35,300 --> 00:17:38,066 he panics and decides to dig up the body parts 351 00:17:38,066 --> 00:17:41,066 and dispose of them elsewhere. 352 00:17:41,100 --> 00:17:43,266 - He decided late at night towards midnight 353 00:17:43,300 --> 00:17:45,166 to drive it to a local dump. 354 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:46,433 He was so nervous 355 00:17:46,467 --> 00:17:48,200 that he was driving erratically, 356 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,200 and he was stopped by a police officer. 357 00:17:50,233 --> 00:17:52,033 Mr. Dahmer kept his wits about him. 358 00:17:52,066 --> 00:17:53,400 He told the police officer 359 00:17:53,433 --> 00:17:55,066 that his parents had recently divorced. 360 00:17:55,066 --> 00:17:56,467 He said he couldn't sleep 361 00:17:56,467 --> 00:17:57,734 and wanted to take a garbage bag 362 00:17:57,767 --> 00:17:59,533 to the garbage dump. 363 00:17:59,567 --> 00:18:01,500 The police officer shined a flashlight inside 364 00:18:01,500 --> 00:18:04,300 and saw a green garbage bag. 365 00:18:04,333 --> 00:18:06,567 [ominous music] 366 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,767 - The officer had no reason whatsoever 367 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,066 to believe that there was anything unusual 368 00:18:11,100 --> 00:18:13,200 other than he might have been a little bit nervous. 369 00:18:13,233 --> 00:18:16,367 But most people are nervous when there's a traffic stop made. 370 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,233 - Jeff was very good by that point 371 00:18:19,266 --> 00:18:23,500 at convincing adults for whatever it was 372 00:18:23,500 --> 00:18:26,066 he wanted to convince them of. 373 00:18:26,100 --> 00:18:29,500 - Jeffrey Dahmer definitely was a manipulator. 374 00:18:29,533 --> 00:18:31,333 He was able to convince 375 00:18:31,367 --> 00:18:33,600 not only the individuals to come to his place, 376 00:18:33,633 --> 00:18:36,600 but he was also able to convince people 377 00:18:36,633 --> 00:18:38,233 that nothing was wrong 378 00:18:38,266 --> 00:18:40,433 when there was something very wrong. 379 00:18:40,467 --> 00:18:43,333 - It all could have ended at that moment. 380 00:18:43,367 --> 00:18:45,633 But in the first of many close calls 381 00:18:45,667 --> 00:18:48,000 when he could have been stopped, 382 00:18:48,033 --> 00:18:51,533 Dahmer's let off with only a ticket. 383 00:18:51,533 --> 00:18:54,200 - He took him home, 384 00:18:54,233 --> 00:18:56,066 smashed him all up, 385 00:18:56,100 --> 00:18:58,066 and he spread the bones in the woods. 386 00:18:58,100 --> 00:19:02,367 - Steven Hicks's parents reported him missing in 1978 387 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,467 but don't get any answers until 1991, 388 00:19:05,500 --> 00:19:07,367 when Dahmer confesses. 389 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,400 - That family had no idea what had happened 390 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,266 to their 18-year-old son. 391 00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:14,533 He disappeared off the face of the Earth. 392 00:19:14,533 --> 00:19:18,166 Talk about inflicting pain if you're a parent. 393 00:19:21,033 --> 00:19:22,633 - Later that summer, 394 00:19:22,667 --> 00:19:25,500 Lionel and Shari moved back into the Dahmer home 395 00:19:25,533 --> 00:19:27,300 with 18-year-old Jeffrey. 396 00:19:27,300 --> 00:19:29,533 - He would come home a time or two 397 00:19:29,567 --> 00:19:31,166 pretty well loaded. 398 00:19:31,166 --> 00:19:33,500 If he was totally drunk, 399 00:19:33,533 --> 00:19:36,300 he would forget where he took his dad's car. 400 00:19:36,333 --> 00:19:38,400 We had to track the car down several times, 401 00:19:38,433 --> 00:19:41,400 because Jeff just drew a blank. 402 00:19:41,433 --> 00:19:45,166 - Frustrated, Lionel forces Jeffrey 403 00:19:45,166 --> 00:19:47,166 to enroll in college. 404 00:19:47,166 --> 00:19:49,433 - I attended Ohio State University, 405 00:19:49,433 --> 00:19:51,667 and Jeff did as well. 406 00:19:51,700 --> 00:19:56,400 The last time I saw him, 407 00:19:56,433 --> 00:19:59,500 he was laying on the sidewalk, passed out dead drunk. 408 00:19:59,533 --> 00:20:02,166 I went over to him, and I tried 409 00:20:02,166 --> 00:20:05,500 to shake him into consciousness. 410 00:20:05,533 --> 00:20:09,567 And I kept saying, 411 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,467 "Jeff, wake up. Wake up." 412 00:20:11,467 --> 00:20:15,133 I knew then that Jeff was gone. 413 00:20:15,166 --> 00:20:18,133 - We found out he was drinking at school and failing out, 414 00:20:18,166 --> 00:20:19,600 so we brought him home. 415 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,066 We took Jeff for psychiatric care. 416 00:20:22,100 --> 00:20:25,166 We took him to institutions. 417 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,133 But as the old saying goes, 418 00:20:27,166 --> 00:20:30,533 you can lead the horse to water, but you can't make it drink. 419 00:20:30,567 --> 00:20:32,600 - I was just thinking 420 00:20:32,633 --> 00:20:35,166 of normal-type, everyday things 421 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:39,333 that I could encourage him on to do. 422 00:20:39,333 --> 00:20:42,567 And the Army was 423 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,433 the logical place, I thought. 424 00:20:45,467 --> 00:20:48,467 - During this time, Jeffrey claims 425 00:20:48,500 --> 00:20:51,433 his violent impulses remained quiet. 426 00:20:51,467 --> 00:20:54,467 What happened to you in the nine years in between 427 00:20:54,500 --> 00:20:56,467 that you were able to stop, 428 00:20:56,500 --> 00:20:59,233 that you were able to control yourself? 429 00:20:59,266 --> 00:21:01,233 - Just wasn't an opportunity 430 00:21:01,266 --> 00:21:05,734 to fully express what I wanted to do. 431 00:21:05,767 --> 00:21:08,200 There was not just the physical opportunity 432 00:21:08,233 --> 00:21:09,734 to do it then. 433 00:21:09,767 --> 00:21:11,700 - While investigators never had any reason 434 00:21:11,734 --> 00:21:13,734 to doubt Dahmer's claim, 435 00:21:13,767 --> 00:21:17,333 for the first time, two of his fellow servicemen 436 00:21:17,367 --> 00:21:19,200 are making accusations 437 00:21:19,233 --> 00:21:22,333 the public has never heard before. 438 00:21:22,367 --> 00:21:24,233 Up next... 439 00:21:24,266 --> 00:21:26,467 - As a 17-year-old kid, 440 00:21:26,500 --> 00:21:29,266 would you really get that out in your unit 441 00:21:29,300 --> 00:21:32,266 that Jeff Dahmer raped you? 442 00:21:39,667 --> 00:21:40,266 After one failed semester 443 00:21:40,266 --> 00:21:40,500 After one failed semester in college, 444 00:21:42,567 --> 00:21:44,500 Jeffrey Dahmer's dad implores his son 445 00:21:44,533 --> 00:21:46,667 to find a direction in life. 446 00:21:46,700 --> 00:21:49,633 He decides to enlist in the Army. 447 00:21:49,667 --> 00:21:52,000 Jeffrey says his evil urges were quieted 448 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,633 while in the service 449 00:21:53,667 --> 00:21:56,400 and he hoped it would remain that way. 450 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,533 But according to those he served with, 451 00:21:58,533 --> 00:22:00,266 they did not. 452 00:22:00,300 --> 00:22:02,200 We've uncovered two victims 453 00:22:02,233 --> 00:22:05,266 who've agreed to speak for the first time. 454 00:22:08,266 --> 00:22:09,400 - You know, you really don't know someone 455 00:22:09,433 --> 00:22:11,300 until you live with them. 456 00:22:11,333 --> 00:22:14,533 - Billy Joe Capshaw was Dahmer's roommate 457 00:22:14,567 --> 00:22:18,300 for 15 months while stationed in Baumholder, Germany. 458 00:22:18,300 --> 00:22:21,400 He arrived to replace someone else in Dahmer's unit, 459 00:22:21,433 --> 00:22:22,700 Preston Davis. 460 00:22:22,734 --> 00:22:24,400 - We were out on a field exercise. 461 00:22:24,433 --> 00:22:26,533 It was a two-week exercise. 462 00:22:26,567 --> 00:22:29,300 And the last three or four days of the exercise, 463 00:22:29,300 --> 00:22:30,433 our vehicle broke down. 464 00:22:30,433 --> 00:22:32,300 During that timeframe, 465 00:22:32,300 --> 00:22:35,667 I was drugged and sexually assaulted by Jeff. 466 00:22:35,700 --> 00:22:39,300 - Preston says the attack haunted him, 467 00:22:39,300 --> 00:22:42,000 and he eventually unraveled. 468 00:22:42,033 --> 00:22:44,000 - My career went downhill after this. 469 00:22:44,033 --> 00:22:51,000 I got a DWI in 1985 in the military. 470 00:22:51,033 --> 00:22:53,600 I had a rocky marriage with my first wife. 471 00:22:53,633 --> 00:22:56,333 I wound up getting out of the military in '86, 472 00:22:56,367 --> 00:22:59,734 divorcing her, became estranged from my son. 473 00:22:59,734 --> 00:23:02,300 Substance abuse. 474 00:23:02,333 --> 00:23:04,467 Alcohol abuse. 475 00:23:04,467 --> 00:23:09,734 That's what a lot of victims do 476 00:23:09,767 --> 00:23:12,133 to try to suppress that pain. 477 00:23:13,633 --> 00:23:17,033 - But Preston wasn't the only victim. 478 00:23:17,066 --> 00:23:18,700 Billy Capshaw shared a room with Dahmer 479 00:23:18,734 --> 00:23:20,600 for over a year 480 00:23:20,633 --> 00:23:24,333 and says he faced an even more intense ordeal. 481 00:23:24,333 --> 00:23:29,467 - He had me tied up, naked, to a bunk, you know, 482 00:23:29,467 --> 00:23:31,734 and was... 483 00:23:31,767 --> 00:23:35,734 beside me, naked hisself, 484 00:23:35,767 --> 00:23:38,633 and holding me like I would hold a woman. 485 00:23:38,667 --> 00:23:42,066 He raped me, sexually molested me. 486 00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:44,500 He tortured me. 487 00:23:44,533 --> 00:23:47,100 The attacks, the things like that, 488 00:23:47,100 --> 00:23:50,467 were continuous and almost every day. 489 00:23:50,500 --> 00:23:54,500 - Billy told us his shame over what was happening to him 490 00:23:54,533 --> 00:23:56,367 kept him quiet. 491 00:23:56,367 --> 00:23:57,633 - There's guys in there 492 00:23:57,667 --> 00:23:59,500 and they got guns, and they're mean. 493 00:23:59,533 --> 00:24:01,100 They've been to Vietnam. 494 00:24:01,100 --> 00:24:03,500 As a 17-year-old kid, 495 00:24:03,500 --> 00:24:06,100 would you really get that out in your unit 496 00:24:06,100 --> 00:24:09,333 that someone raped you? 497 00:24:10,667 --> 00:24:12,767 - The fact that Dahmer would be so open 498 00:24:12,767 --> 00:24:14,600 about all of his crimes 499 00:24:14,633 --> 00:24:17,400 yet never address these allegations 500 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,633 only creates more questions. 501 00:24:19,667 --> 00:24:21,667 Why did he leave this out? 502 00:24:21,667 --> 00:24:25,533 And what else could there be that we don't know about? 503 00:24:25,533 --> 00:24:27,400 - The fact that he didn't disclose 504 00:24:27,433 --> 00:24:31,133 the incidents in the military 505 00:24:31,133 --> 00:24:32,633 just doesn't surprise me. 506 00:24:32,667 --> 00:24:34,767 Jeffrey Dahmer wanted to talk about 507 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,667 what he wanted to talk about. 508 00:24:36,667 --> 00:24:38,500 - In March of 1981, 509 00:24:38,533 --> 00:24:40,400 Dahmer is discharged from the Army 510 00:24:40,433 --> 00:24:44,133 not for violent behavior but for excessive drinking. 511 00:24:44,133 --> 00:24:48,667 - Was I disappointed in-- of course. 512 00:24:48,700 --> 00:24:52,133 I was disappointed in his inability 513 00:24:52,133 --> 00:24:56,000 to achieve something, 514 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:02,433 you know, in normal working or living. 515 00:25:04,567 --> 00:25:07,166 - That fall, 21-year-old Jeffrey Dahmer 516 00:25:07,166 --> 00:25:09,033 moves back into his parents' home 517 00:25:09,033 --> 00:25:11,133 in Bath, Ohio. 518 00:25:12,700 --> 00:25:16,033 Directionless, he continues to drink heavily. 519 00:25:16,033 --> 00:25:17,700 His father and stepmother push him 520 00:25:17,700 --> 00:25:20,033 to get professional help. 521 00:25:20,033 --> 00:25:23,033 - I did as much as I thought I could. 522 00:25:23,033 --> 00:25:24,667 He seemed to be 523 00:25:24,700 --> 00:25:25,767 an alcoholic, 524 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,533 so we got help that way 525 00:25:28,567 --> 00:25:30,433 and that sort of thing. 526 00:25:30,467 --> 00:25:32,533 - Lionel would drop him off, 527 00:25:32,567 --> 00:25:34,533 and Jeff would go out the back door. 528 00:25:34,567 --> 00:25:36,767 So he wasn't going for counseling. 529 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,633 And we reached a point where we said, 530 00:25:39,667 --> 00:25:43,066 "We're going to send you up to Grandma's house for a while 531 00:25:43,066 --> 00:25:45,700 and see if you can get your life together." 532 00:25:45,734 --> 00:25:48,734 - Dahmer's grandmother believes that through God, 533 00:25:48,734 --> 00:25:51,600 Jeffrey will change his sexuality. 534 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,600 So he attends church 535 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,600 and gets a job drawing blood at a local blood bank. 536 00:25:56,633 --> 00:25:59,467 But at this point, his depraved urges 537 00:25:59,500 --> 00:26:01,600 become harder and harder to control, 538 00:26:01,633 --> 00:26:04,600 and he acts out. 539 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,600 He exposes himself to a group of women and children 540 00:26:07,633 --> 00:26:11,467 at the Wisconsin State Fair and is arrested. 541 00:26:11,467 --> 00:26:14,066 In court, he appears remorseful, 542 00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:16,166 which will become a routine for him, 543 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,066 and all he gets is a fine, $50 plus court fees. 544 00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:25,100 At this point, Dahmer tries to find a substitute for killing, 545 00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:29,500 and what he settles on is truly disturbing. 546 00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:33,100 - His goal was finding the partner 547 00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:35,100 who would lie there all night 548 00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:38,633 so that he could have the illusion 549 00:26:38,633 --> 00:26:42,633 of all the time in the world to be close to that person. 550 00:26:42,633 --> 00:26:46,233 And his strategies for finding that partner 551 00:26:46,233 --> 00:26:48,467 were creative and varied 552 00:26:48,500 --> 00:26:51,100 but mostly ineffective. 553 00:26:51,133 --> 00:26:54,500 They included scanning obituaries, 554 00:26:54,500 --> 00:26:56,767 going to the funeral if there was a viewing 555 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,467 to see if it was someone he'd find attractive, 556 00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:01,767 and then trying to dig up the grave. 557 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,600 [ominous music] 558 00:27:03,633 --> 00:27:05,667 On the two occasions that he did that, 559 00:27:05,700 --> 00:27:07,667 the ground was too frozen. 560 00:27:07,700 --> 00:27:10,500 He couldn't get anywhere trying to dig it up. 561 00:27:10,533 --> 00:27:16,667 He found an attractive store mannequin. 562 00:27:16,667 --> 00:27:19,133 He hid in a restroom in the department store 563 00:27:19,133 --> 00:27:21,667 till after closing, stole the mannequin, 564 00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:23,667 managed to get out of the building, 565 00:27:23,667 --> 00:27:27,233 took the mannequin home to his grandmother's house, 566 00:27:27,266 --> 00:27:31,633 and for some period of time was satisfied 567 00:27:31,667 --> 00:27:35,000 lying next to the attractive mannequin. 568 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,633 ♪ ♪ 569 00:27:37,667 --> 00:27:39,533 His grandmother found the mannequin 570 00:27:39,533 --> 00:27:41,133 and disposed of it. 571 00:27:44,033 --> 00:27:46,166 - He spent a number of months, 572 00:27:46,166 --> 00:27:48,567 if not longer, going to gay bath houses 573 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,300 in both Chicago and Milwaukee. 574 00:27:50,300 --> 00:27:52,567 He would slip Halcion into the drinks 575 00:27:52,567 --> 00:27:54,033 of men that he would meet there. 576 00:27:54,066 --> 00:27:56,033 They would fall asleep. 577 00:27:56,033 --> 00:27:57,700 He would fondle them, pretending in his own mind 578 00:27:57,734 --> 00:27:59,533 that they were dead. 579 00:27:59,567 --> 00:28:02,033 - That was satisfying to him for a time. 580 00:28:02,033 --> 00:28:06,567 But he gave too much of the drug to one of the men. 581 00:28:06,567 --> 00:28:08,133 - The bath house operator 582 00:28:08,166 --> 00:28:09,266 couldn't wake one of these fellows, 583 00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:10,700 had to call to get medical help. 584 00:28:10,734 --> 00:28:12,433 They realize that Dahmer's doing this, 585 00:28:12,467 --> 00:28:14,266 so they banned him from the bath houses. 586 00:28:14,300 --> 00:28:17,033 - Once again, he could have been stopped, 587 00:28:17,033 --> 00:28:19,567 and once again, he wasn't. 588 00:28:22,333 --> 00:28:27,200 - When I moved to Milwaukee in '81, 589 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,734 I started reading pornography, 590 00:28:30,734 --> 00:28:35,333 going to the bookstores. 591 00:28:35,333 --> 00:28:39,200 Eventually, that lead to 592 00:28:39,233 --> 00:28:41,200 frequenting the gay bars. 593 00:28:41,233 --> 00:28:44,333 And then I-- 594 00:28:44,333 --> 00:28:46,333 One time, I brought this young man 595 00:28:46,367 --> 00:28:50,333 back to the hotel room, the Ambassador Hotel, 596 00:28:50,333 --> 00:28:52,300 was just planning on drugging him 597 00:28:52,333 --> 00:28:55,600 and spending the night with him. 598 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,567 I had no intention of hurting him. 599 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,600 When I woke up in the morning, he had a broken rib here. 600 00:29:01,633 --> 00:29:03,600 It was heavily bruised. 601 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,333 Apparently, I had beaten him to death with my fists. 602 00:29:07,367 --> 00:29:10,100 - And you have no memory of it. - I have no memory of it. 603 00:29:10,100 --> 00:29:14,066 But that's what started the whole spree all over again. 604 00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:20,100 - He tells me it wasn't premeditated 605 00:29:20,133 --> 00:29:22,767 and that he then needed to find more time 606 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,233 in order to dispose of the body. 607 00:29:25,233 --> 00:29:28,600 - It has been nine years since his last kill. 608 00:29:28,633 --> 00:29:31,367 And in what seems like an instant, 609 00:29:31,367 --> 00:29:34,233 he goes into a mode that is familiar to him: 610 00:29:34,233 --> 00:29:36,633 the cover-up. 611 00:29:36,633 --> 00:29:39,633 Up next, Dahmer's crimes escalate, 612 00:29:39,633 --> 00:29:41,767 and the bodies are piling up. 613 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,100 - I was saving body parts 614 00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:49,200 such as skulls and skeletons. 615 00:29:55,533 --> 00:29:56,033 In the fall of 1987, 616 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,133 Jeffrey Dahmer wakes up in a hotel room in Milwaukee. 617 00:30:01,166 --> 00:30:03,667 He is in bed with the bludgeoned body 618 00:30:03,667 --> 00:30:05,400 of his second victim. 619 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,100 He says he has no memory of killing the man. 620 00:30:08,133 --> 00:30:10,000 - He had to sign in 621 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,633 for a second night 622 00:30:11,667 --> 00:30:14,133 in order to now have time to get rid of the body 623 00:30:14,133 --> 00:30:15,667 by stuffing it into a suitcase 624 00:30:15,667 --> 00:30:18,266 and ultimately removing it. 625 00:30:18,266 --> 00:30:21,266 - He took it to his grandmother's house 626 00:30:21,266 --> 00:30:23,133 to put it in the basement 627 00:30:23,166 --> 00:30:26,400 until he was able to cut it up and get it in the garbage. 628 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,400 And he knew the routine of the garbage men, 629 00:30:28,433 --> 00:30:33,033 so he'd cut it up Sundays while Grandma went to church, 630 00:30:33,066 --> 00:30:34,300 have it in the garbage by Monday, 631 00:30:34,333 --> 00:30:36,433 and it would be gone. 632 00:30:36,433 --> 00:30:38,300 - Police would later determine 633 00:30:38,300 --> 00:30:42,300 the victim was 24-year-old Steven Tuomi. 634 00:30:42,333 --> 00:30:44,700 He'd recently moved to Milwaukee 635 00:30:44,700 --> 00:30:46,433 from northern Michigan 636 00:30:46,433 --> 00:30:48,266 and met Dahmer after he finished his shift 637 00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:51,433 at a local restaurant. 638 00:30:51,433 --> 00:30:57,133 - I had these obsessive desires and thoughts, 639 00:30:57,166 --> 00:31:02,667 wanting to control them, to... 640 00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:05,433 I don't know how to put it. 641 00:31:05,433 --> 00:31:06,700 Possess them permanently. 642 00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:08,133 - And that's why you killed them. 643 00:31:08,166 --> 00:31:09,700 - Right, right, 644 00:31:09,734 --> 00:31:11,400 not because I was angry with them, 645 00:31:11,433 --> 00:31:13,333 not because I hated them 646 00:31:13,333 --> 00:31:17,734 but because I wanted to keep them with me. 647 00:31:17,734 --> 00:31:23,200 And as my obsession grew, 648 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,467 I was saving body parts 649 00:31:25,467 --> 00:31:30,300 such as skulls and skeletons. 650 00:31:30,333 --> 00:31:32,333 - At his grandmother's, 651 00:31:32,333 --> 00:31:36,066 Dahmer's desire to kill escalates. 652 00:31:36,066 --> 00:31:39,734 He takes two more lives in the winter of 1988, 653 00:31:39,734 --> 00:31:43,066 raising his victim count to four. 654 00:31:43,066 --> 00:31:46,700 James Doxtator is only 14 years old 655 00:31:46,734 --> 00:31:49,734 when Dahmer lures him with the promise of $50 656 00:31:49,767 --> 00:31:51,200 to take a few pictures. 657 00:31:51,233 --> 00:31:53,200 And six weeks later, 658 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,100 it's 23-year-old Richard Guerrero. 659 00:31:56,133 --> 00:31:59,467 Both face the same fate: 660 00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:03,100 drugged, strangled, dismembered. 661 00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:06,367 It's at this time Dahmer hones his craft 662 00:32:06,367 --> 00:32:08,200 in disposing of bodies, 663 00:32:08,233 --> 00:32:11,100 learning how flesh dissolves in acid 664 00:32:11,133 --> 00:32:12,767 and bones would need to be crushed up 665 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,767 and tossed in the trash. 666 00:32:14,767 --> 00:32:18,100 According to Lionel, his grandmother objects 667 00:32:18,133 --> 00:32:20,333 to the smells coming from the basement 668 00:32:20,367 --> 00:32:24,066 but apparently doesn't figure out what's going on. 669 00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:27,467 Or maybe she just doesn't want to. 670 00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:31,500 - I would send Lionel up to his mother's house 671 00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:33,367 to deal with problems, 672 00:32:33,367 --> 00:32:36,500 but I really wasn't aware at that time 673 00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:41,133 that Lionel was too naive to handle the situation. 674 00:32:41,166 --> 00:32:44,367 Lionel didn't believe his son was doing anything wrong. 675 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:50,367 - He was doing strange things. 676 00:32:52,033 --> 00:32:55,400 We thought it was with roadkill. 677 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,233 That's what he told us, 678 00:32:57,266 --> 00:33:00,100 and I--I believed him. 679 00:33:00,133 --> 00:33:03,000 But I said, "Jeff," you know, 680 00:33:03,033 --> 00:33:07,133 "your grandma just can't take this sort of thing. 681 00:33:07,133 --> 00:33:09,333 You really need to move out." 682 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,533 - Now on his own, 683 00:33:16,533 --> 00:33:19,567 Jeffrey Dahmer's free to give in to his urges. 684 00:33:19,567 --> 00:33:22,433 Just one day after moving into his own apartment, 685 00:33:22,433 --> 00:33:25,433 Dahmer brings home a 13-year-old boy, 686 00:33:25,467 --> 00:33:27,433 drugs and fondles him. 687 00:33:27,433 --> 00:33:29,166 Dahmer is arrested 688 00:33:29,166 --> 00:33:31,533 for sexual assault against a minor. 689 00:33:31,567 --> 00:33:34,000 This is the boy's testimony. 690 00:33:34,033 --> 00:33:37,100 We should warn you it's shocking and disturbing. 691 00:33:45,266 --> 00:33:48,133 - How did the authorities find out about this? 692 00:33:48,166 --> 00:33:51,166 Well, for some reason, when the boy wanted to leave, 693 00:33:51,166 --> 00:33:53,233 Dahmer let him go. 694 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,200 - We talked about the incident that he was involved in. 695 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,467 It was pretty clear to me 696 00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:12,033 that he was a little bit different. 697 00:34:12,066 --> 00:34:15,333 - Jerry Boyle is hired by Lionel and Shari Dahmer 698 00:34:15,367 --> 00:34:18,033 to represent Jeffrey in this case. 699 00:34:18,066 --> 00:34:21,467 - I think my son was a freshman in high school 700 00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:23,433 at the time. 701 00:34:23,467 --> 00:34:25,300 I think he could have whipped Dahmer in a minute. 702 00:34:25,333 --> 00:34:27,200 Never would I have believed 703 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,333 that he was a killer, ever, 704 00:34:29,367 --> 00:34:31,300 because there was nothing to indicate to me 705 00:34:31,333 --> 00:34:32,467 that he was that way. 706 00:34:32,467 --> 00:34:35,066 I mean, it just wasn't there. 707 00:34:35,066 --> 00:34:37,600 - Dahmer's ability to deceive 708 00:34:37,633 --> 00:34:41,066 is only matched by his desire to kill. 709 00:34:41,066 --> 00:34:44,233 Between his conviction in January of 1989 710 00:34:44,266 --> 00:34:48,467 and his sentencing in May, he is not deterred. 711 00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:50,467 Dahmer takes his fifth life, 712 00:34:50,500 --> 00:34:54,467 24-year-old Anthony Sears, on March 25th. 713 00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:57,233 This murder marks a depraved turning point 714 00:34:57,233 --> 00:34:59,233 in Dahmer's process. 715 00:34:59,233 --> 00:35:05,633 - I kept the mummified head and skull 716 00:35:05,633 --> 00:35:07,467 of one of the victims 717 00:35:07,500 --> 00:35:11,200 in a carrying case in my locker at work. 718 00:35:11,233 --> 00:35:13,100 - Were you almost flaunting it? 719 00:35:13,133 --> 00:35:15,600 - Yes, but that's how strong the compulsion was. 720 00:35:15,633 --> 00:35:18,333 That's how bizarre the desire was. 721 00:35:18,367 --> 00:35:23,400 I wanted to keep something of the person with me. 722 00:35:23,433 --> 00:35:25,633 - But during the sexual assault trial, 723 00:35:25,667 --> 00:35:28,367 no one had any knowledge of that, 724 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,100 which is why Jerry Boyle fought to keep Dahmer a free man. 725 00:35:33,133 --> 00:35:35,400 - The outcome in the case was, 726 00:35:35,433 --> 00:35:39,667 Jeffrey admitted to everything he was accused of, 727 00:35:39,667 --> 00:35:42,133 except he was vehement in saying 728 00:35:42,166 --> 00:35:44,667 that he never touched a child. 729 00:35:44,667 --> 00:35:47,133 I didn't believe what he was telling me, 730 00:35:47,133 --> 00:35:51,667 but my job is to try and figure out what do for him 731 00:35:51,667 --> 00:35:53,533 and for society 732 00:35:53,533 --> 00:35:56,266 by getting him a sentence that made sense, 733 00:35:56,266 --> 00:35:59,133 and I think we did that. 734 00:35:59,133 --> 00:36:00,667 - He fooled his attorney 735 00:36:00,667 --> 00:36:03,533 that was representing him. 736 00:36:03,533 --> 00:36:08,166 He fooled so many people as to his real feelings. 737 00:36:08,166 --> 00:36:11,700 Unfortunately, I didn't realize it at the time. 738 00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:14,300 - Dahmer avoids jail time. 739 00:36:14,300 --> 00:36:17,133 Instead, he's given work release 740 00:36:17,166 --> 00:36:20,433 and mandatory time with a mental health professional. 741 00:36:20,433 --> 00:36:22,533 Another close call, 742 00:36:22,567 --> 00:36:25,433 another opportunity where he could have been stopped. 743 00:36:25,467 --> 00:36:28,433 And once again, he acts remorseful. 744 00:36:28,467 --> 00:36:30,367 He writes to the judge. 745 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,266 "What I did was deplorable. 746 00:36:32,300 --> 00:36:34,300 "The world has enough misery in it 747 00:36:34,300 --> 00:36:36,667 "without my adding more to it. 748 00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:38,533 "Sir, I can assure you 749 00:36:38,567 --> 00:36:41,367 that it will never happen again." 750 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,567 We now know nothing could be further from the truth. 751 00:36:45,567 --> 00:36:47,333 - He would go see a psychiatrist 752 00:36:47,333 --> 00:36:49,567 and not say a word for ten sessions, 753 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,300 and they'd let him walk out the door. 754 00:36:52,333 --> 00:36:54,467 Probation officer, he'd say, 755 00:36:54,467 --> 00:36:56,433 "You have these feelings of, you know, 756 00:36:56,467 --> 00:36:58,734 sexual perversion and all that?" 757 00:36:58,734 --> 00:37:02,700 He says, "No, I read books and masturbate to that." 758 00:37:02,734 --> 00:37:05,433 He's out there killing people. 759 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:09,600 - Up next... 760 00:37:09,633 --> 00:37:11,333 Do you ever think about your victims? 761 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,300 - Uh, I've often wondered why I haven't had 762 00:37:18,333 --> 00:37:23,300 more dreams or nightmares about what I've done. 763 00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:29,367 By May of 1989, 764 00:37:31,500 --> 00:37:34,233 Jeffrey Dahmer's body count is at five. 765 00:37:34,233 --> 00:37:35,734 Then he is sentenced 766 00:37:35,767 --> 00:37:38,367 to one year in a work release program 767 00:37:38,367 --> 00:37:41,734 for the drugging and fondling of a 13-year-old boy. 768 00:37:41,767 --> 00:37:44,700 He claims during that time, there were no killings. 769 00:37:44,734 --> 00:37:48,233 After he's released and on probation, 770 00:37:48,266 --> 00:37:53,266 he finds a new place to live, somewhere off the beaten path. 771 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,233 - I had asked him 772 00:37:57,233 --> 00:38:00,600 a number of times, "Why are you down here, 773 00:38:00,633 --> 00:38:03,333 "you know, when you can go somewhere else 774 00:38:03,367 --> 00:38:07,233 "and stay, like, in West Alice at your grandmother's house 775 00:38:07,233 --> 00:38:08,467 "or something like that? 776 00:38:08,500 --> 00:38:11,066 "And you would rather be here, 777 00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:13,600 where you're surrounded by blacks." 778 00:38:13,633 --> 00:38:15,600 And that's all that was over there, 779 00:38:15,633 --> 00:38:20,133 was black people and some Asian people. 780 00:38:20,133 --> 00:38:22,200 He was like, "I like it better down here, 781 00:38:22,233 --> 00:38:24,533 'cause I can keep more to myself." 782 00:38:24,533 --> 00:38:28,266 - Pamela Bass, who lives across the hall from Dahmer 783 00:38:28,300 --> 00:38:29,367 in the Oxford Apartments, 784 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,533 develops a soft spot 785 00:38:31,533 --> 00:38:35,767 for the man she would describe as an unassuming bachelor. 786 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,667 - You know, me and my husband at that time 787 00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:41,467 were trying to get him a girlfriend, 788 00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:44,133 because we thought that, you know, 789 00:38:44,133 --> 00:38:46,266 he was over there by hisself, and he didn't get out much, 790 00:38:46,300 --> 00:38:47,734 and all this here kind of stuff. 791 00:38:47,767 --> 00:38:50,200 So he said, "No, no, I'm fine. 792 00:38:50,233 --> 00:38:52,433 I just want to work and be left alone." 793 00:38:52,433 --> 00:38:54,433 [ominous music] 794 00:38:54,467 --> 00:38:58,700 - Within a week of settling in to apartment 213, 795 00:38:58,700 --> 00:39:02,000 Dahmer lures 32-year-old Raymond Smith 796 00:39:02,033 --> 00:39:03,700 home for a drink, 797 00:39:03,700 --> 00:39:07,033 laces it with drugs, strangles him to death, 798 00:39:07,066 --> 00:39:09,700 and dismembers his body. 799 00:39:09,734 --> 00:39:12,700 A month later, Dahmer repeats the process 800 00:39:12,734 --> 00:39:17,767 on a 27-year-old acquaintance, Edward Smith, 801 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,700 raising his victim count to seven. 802 00:39:21,734 --> 00:39:24,700 Before you went out to pick up a man, 803 00:39:24,700 --> 00:39:28,033 was there any kind of ritual you went through? 804 00:39:28,033 --> 00:39:31,300 - I'd go to the nightclubs, drink, 805 00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:36,033 watch the strip tease shows. 806 00:39:36,066 --> 00:39:39,200 And if I didn't meet anyone at the bars, 807 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,467 I'd go to the Bath clubs 808 00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:44,567 and meet someone there, 809 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,066 offer them money, 810 00:39:47,066 --> 00:39:51,066 and we'd go back to the apartment, 811 00:39:51,066 --> 00:39:52,400 have a few drinks. 812 00:39:52,433 --> 00:39:56,600 I'd have the sleeping pill mixture 813 00:39:56,633 --> 00:39:58,734 already prepared. 814 00:39:58,767 --> 00:40:02,000 The person would drink it, fall asleep. 815 00:40:02,033 --> 00:40:05,767 And that's when they would be strangled. 816 00:40:08,166 --> 00:40:10,734 - The question of how Mr. Dahmer chose his victims 817 00:40:10,767 --> 00:40:13,033 I don't think is a complicated one. 818 00:40:13,066 --> 00:40:15,767 He tried to find people that were attractive to him 819 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,100 and who were willing 820 00:40:17,133 --> 00:40:19,367 to go with him voluntarily. 821 00:40:19,367 --> 00:40:22,767 He wasn't jumping out of cars and attacking people and so on. 822 00:40:22,767 --> 00:40:26,367 - The men he's inviting back 823 00:40:26,367 --> 00:40:28,467 don't want to just lie there. 824 00:40:28,500 --> 00:40:31,333 They want to get it on, get it over with, 825 00:40:31,367 --> 00:40:33,300 and get going. 826 00:40:33,333 --> 00:40:35,633 He found that enormously frustrating. 827 00:40:35,633 --> 00:40:37,433 Some of them rolled him. 828 00:40:37,467 --> 00:40:39,600 Some of them were nasty to him. 829 00:40:39,633 --> 00:40:41,700 He didn't want to get into an argument 830 00:40:41,734 --> 00:40:45,233 or get into a fight or get robbed. 831 00:40:45,233 --> 00:40:47,500 He wanted somebody to lie there with him. 832 00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:49,700 But he was picking the wrong guys 833 00:40:49,734 --> 00:40:51,500 to try to achieve that, 834 00:40:51,500 --> 00:40:55,633 so he began drugging them at his apartment. 835 00:40:55,633 --> 00:40:59,767 - He wanted his victims to be still and quiet 836 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,767 so he didn't have to face their humanity. 837 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,467 - It's a process. It doesn't happen overnight. 838 00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:11,467 When you depersonalize another person 839 00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:14,266 and view them as just an object, 840 00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:16,400 an object for pleasure 841 00:41:16,433 --> 00:41:21,400 instead of a living, breathing human being, 842 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,400 it seems to make it easier 843 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,367 to... 844 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,367 do things you shouldn't do. 845 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,133 - It struck me that classifying murder 846 00:41:34,166 --> 00:41:36,233 as a "thing you shouldn't do" 847 00:41:36,266 --> 00:41:38,600 minimizes the horror and brutality 848 00:41:38,633 --> 00:41:41,033 of Jeffrey Dahmer's actions. 849 00:41:41,066 --> 00:41:42,567 - Dahmer drugged his victims, 850 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,033 so they weren't pleading for their lives. 851 00:41:45,066 --> 00:41:47,033 They weren't crying out in pain 852 00:41:47,033 --> 00:41:48,367 as he inflicted a torture on them. 853 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,266 So he was in many ways different, 854 00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:53,000 frighteningly different. 855 00:41:53,033 --> 00:41:55,633 - Do you ever think about your victims? 856 00:41:58,700 --> 00:42:03,400 - Uh, I've often wondered why I haven't had 857 00:42:03,433 --> 00:42:08,266 more dreams or nightmares about what I've done. 858 00:42:08,300 --> 00:42:11,433 For some reason, it's like it's blocked off 859 00:42:11,433 --> 00:42:13,233 from part of my mind. 860 00:42:13,266 --> 00:42:15,433 If I dwelled on the subject all the time, 861 00:42:15,433 --> 00:42:18,166 I would... 862 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,166 I wouldn't be able to function. 863 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,066 - In talking to Jeffrey Dahmer, 864 00:42:23,066 --> 00:42:26,333 I realized that one of his most peculiar traits was, 865 00:42:26,333 --> 00:42:28,400 no matter how well he knew his victims, 866 00:42:28,433 --> 00:42:30,600 he didn't view them as people. 867 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,066 That's why, in his 160-page confession, 868 00:42:34,066 --> 00:42:36,734 he could describe everything he did to them 869 00:42:36,734 --> 00:42:38,734 in excruciating detail 870 00:42:38,734 --> 00:42:41,600 but he couldn't remember their names. 871 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,200 Up next. 872 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,467 - Told us how he cooked them. 873 00:42:44,467 --> 00:42:46,333 What they tasted like. 874 00:42:46,333 --> 00:42:49,600 - He seemed like a very normal person. 875 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,200 He covered up so much. 876 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,300 I was branching out that's when 877 00:42:54,300 --> 00:42:56,700 the cannibalism started. 878 00:42:56,700 --> 00:42:59,467 He just was crazy sick. 879 00:42:59,467 --> 00:43:01,066 Things just began to deteriorate. 880 00:43:01,066 --> 00:43:04,100 He became like a killing machine out of control. 881 00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:05,500 It just seemed to be an absence 882 00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:07,233 of any moral compass in the man at all. 883 00:43:07,233 --> 00:43:11,033 - I didn t believe in the concept of evil. 884 00:43:11,033 --> 00:43:11,767 And, now I do. 885 00:43:22,233 --> 00:43:22,600 No one, no one had a clue 886 00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:27,767 as to what was happening for over a decade. 887 00:43:27,767 --> 00:43:30,734 [eerie music] 888 00:43:30,767 --> 00:43:33,700 ♪ ♪ 889 00:43:33,734 --> 00:43:35,467 - He became like a killing machine 890 00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:37,233 out of control. 891 00:43:37,233 --> 00:43:38,700 - There just seemed to be an absence 892 00:43:38,734 --> 00:43:40,166 of any moral compass. 893 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,467 He was an evil man. 894 00:43:44,767 --> 00:43:46,000 - The manager came up 895 00:43:46,033 --> 00:43:47,734 and complained about the smell. 896 00:43:47,767 --> 00:43:51,100 He told the manager, "Well, my fish died." 897 00:43:52,533 --> 00:43:55,467 - He had a very good disguise. 898 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,266 - It's a process; it doesn't happen overnight 899 00:44:08,266 --> 00:44:12,767 when you depersonalize another person 900 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:18,200 and view them as just an object, an object for pleasure, 901 00:44:18,233 --> 00:44:21,066 instead of a living, breathing human being. 902 00:44:24,133 --> 00:44:30,033 I had these obsessive desires and thoughts, 903 00:44:30,033 --> 00:44:32,233 wanting to control them. 904 00:44:34,166 --> 00:44:37,166 - He immediately said, "When you find out what I did, 905 00:44:37,166 --> 00:44:38,500 you're gonna want to kill me." 906 00:44:40,266 --> 00:44:43,300 - You love who the true human being is, 907 00:44:43,300 --> 00:44:45,467 and you take that with you to your grave. 908 00:44:48,166 --> 00:44:51,500 - He seemed like a very normal boy. 909 00:44:51,533 --> 00:44:54,100 He covered up so much. 910 00:44:54,133 --> 00:44:56,100 - Murder. - Necrophilia. 911 00:44:56,133 --> 00:44:57,767 - Zombies. - Religious ritual. 912 00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,500 - Vats of acid. - Body parts. 913 00:44:59,533 --> 00:45:01,033 - Aroused. - Consuming. 914 00:45:01,033 --> 00:45:02,500 - Willing. - Cooked them. 915 00:45:02,533 --> 00:45:07,600 - Bad people. - [tearfully] He was our son. 916 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,333 from Jeffrey Dahmer tting across 917 00:45:10,333 --> 00:45:12,533 in a small prison meeting room. 918 00:45:12,567 --> 00:45:14,533 And face-to-face, 919 00:45:14,567 --> 00:45:17,266 I can see how he got away with his terrible crimes. 920 00:45:17,300 --> 00:45:20,200 He appears completely normal. 921 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,200 That's what made him so frightening. 922 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,200 In the second half of our conversation, 923 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,266 he talks about the most vicious acts-- 924 00:45:26,300 --> 00:45:29,266 cannibalism, murder, dismemberment-- 925 00:45:29,300 --> 00:45:31,133 in the most casual way. 926 00:45:31,166 --> 00:45:32,600 He even says he's sorry. 927 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,266 He sounds thoughtful. 928 00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:36,266 He sounds sincere. 929 00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:40,133 But Jeffrey Dahmer was a psychopath. 930 00:45:40,166 --> 00:45:42,200 When you killed these men, 931 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,200 afterwards, were you repulsed? 932 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:46,533 Were you upset? 933 00:45:46,567 --> 00:45:50,500 - No, it--at the time, it was-- 934 00:45:50,500 --> 00:45:52,233 it was almost addictive. 935 00:45:52,233 --> 00:45:56,367 It was almost... 936 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,166 a surge of energy. 937 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,567 I wouldn't have to worry 938 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,433 about any of their needs or anything. 939 00:46:06,467 --> 00:46:09,767 I just had complete control of the situation. 940 00:46:09,767 --> 00:46:12,367 - The right way to think of him 941 00:46:12,367 --> 00:46:15,600 is as having necrophilia. 942 00:46:15,633 --> 00:46:17,433 Now, usually, we think of necrophilia 943 00:46:17,467 --> 00:46:19,367 as being about corpses. 944 00:46:19,367 --> 00:46:21,367 I think it's more than that. 945 00:46:21,367 --> 00:46:23,166 I think it is control 946 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,500 over the completely passive, compliant partner 947 00:46:26,533 --> 00:46:30,367 that he could fondle, hug, touch, and lie with 948 00:46:30,367 --> 00:46:32,500 as long as possible. 949 00:46:32,533 --> 00:46:35,467 - He always said he didn't enjoy murdering people. 950 00:46:35,500 --> 00:46:37,400 He said that. I don't doubt that. 951 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,133 But he enjoyed getting sex, 952 00:46:39,133 --> 00:46:40,667 and he enjoyed getting it against their will, 953 00:46:40,667 --> 00:46:42,667 and he did what he had to do to get it. 954 00:46:42,667 --> 00:46:45,333 - He told me his motivating force 955 00:46:45,367 --> 00:46:48,533 was to have sex with a partner who wouldn't leave him. 956 00:46:48,533 --> 00:46:51,734 But more than that, he wanted to be the aggressor, 957 00:46:51,767 --> 00:46:54,200 and he didn't want to be touched. 958 00:46:54,233 --> 00:46:57,367 What do you want to say to the families of the victims? 959 00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,600 - I had no intention of hurting them. 960 00:47:00,633 --> 00:47:04,500 I was--I-- 961 00:47:04,533 --> 00:47:05,767 I was extremely selfish. 962 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,400 I was only thinking of myself, 963 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:12,433 my own pleasure, my own... 964 00:47:12,433 --> 00:47:15,633 perverted desires. 965 00:47:15,667 --> 00:47:19,367 - In the meantime, he has men dying. 966 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,400 To dispose of them required dismembering them. 967 00:47:23,433 --> 00:47:25,000 He hated this process. 968 00:47:26,567 --> 00:47:28,433 But if he drank enough, 969 00:47:28,433 --> 00:47:30,000 he could lay down sheets of plastic 970 00:47:30,033 --> 00:47:31,567 and begin the process of cutting 971 00:47:31,567 --> 00:47:34,433 and the hard work of dismembering 972 00:47:34,433 --> 00:47:38,533 and putting body parts in vats of acid. 973 00:47:42,700 --> 00:47:47,567 - When the bodies were still in your apartment, 974 00:47:47,567 --> 00:47:50,667 there was no time when you would see them 975 00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:53,667 and say, "This is grotesque"? 976 00:47:53,700 --> 00:47:55,400 "What have I done?" 977 00:47:55,433 --> 00:47:58,066 - There were times. There were times. 978 00:47:58,066 --> 00:48:03,734 But the compulsive obsession with doing what I was doing 979 00:48:03,734 --> 00:48:06,734 overpowered any feelings of revulsion. 980 00:48:06,734 --> 00:48:09,667 - In September of 1990, 981 00:48:09,700 --> 00:48:12,266 Dahmer's victim count is seven, 982 00:48:12,300 --> 00:48:15,567 and he would have yet more bodies to dispose of. 983 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,734 22-year-old Ernest Miller is a dance student 984 00:48:18,734 --> 00:48:20,600 he meets outside a bookstore. 985 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,300 Dahmer murders the talented dancer, 986 00:48:23,333 --> 00:48:25,000 stuffs his entire skeleton 987 00:48:25,033 --> 00:48:27,266 in the bottom of a filing cabinet 988 00:48:27,300 --> 00:48:28,667 in his apartment 989 00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:32,467 and his heart and biceps in his freezer. 990 00:48:32,467 --> 00:48:34,400 Three weeks later, 991 00:48:34,433 --> 00:48:36,567 Dahmer brings home and strangles David Thomas, 992 00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,500 a 22-year-old man he meets outside a mall. 993 00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:42,367 He has claimed nine lives, 994 00:48:42,367 --> 00:48:46,700 and his routine becomes even more twisted. 995 00:48:46,734 --> 00:48:50,367 Why did you photograph them? 996 00:48:50,367 --> 00:48:55,333 - It was my way of remembering their appearance, 997 00:48:55,367 --> 00:48:59,500 their physical beauty. 998 00:48:59,500 --> 00:49:03,500 I also wanted to keep some-- 999 00:49:03,533 --> 00:49:06,433 If I couldn't keep them there with me whole, 1000 00:49:06,467 --> 00:49:12,333 at least I felt that I could keep their skeletons. 1001 00:49:12,367 --> 00:49:14,300 And I even went so far 1002 00:49:14,333 --> 00:49:18,066 as planning on setting up an altar 1003 00:49:18,100 --> 00:49:22,767 with the ten different skulls and skeletons. 1004 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,667 - And what was the purpose of the altar going to be? 1005 00:49:25,667 --> 00:49:31,667 - Uh, as a sort of memorial, 1006 00:49:31,667 --> 00:49:35,100 a point where I could... 1007 00:49:35,133 --> 00:49:37,066 I don't know. 1008 00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:40,600 It's so bizarre and strange, it's hard to describe. 1009 00:49:40,633 --> 00:49:44,767 A place where I could collect my thoughts 1010 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,000 and feed my obsession. 1011 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,667 - This is a sketch of the altar drawn by Jeffrey Dahmer. 1012 00:49:51,667 --> 00:49:53,533 - The altar was not 1013 00:49:53,533 --> 00:49:55,600 of any religious ritual involved. 1014 00:49:55,633 --> 00:49:58,533 It was as a memory of the people that he had killed. 1015 00:49:58,567 --> 00:50:00,633 There just seemed to be an absence 1016 00:50:00,667 --> 00:50:02,533 of any moral compass in the man at all. 1017 00:50:02,567 --> 00:50:04,633 He was an evil man. 1018 00:50:04,667 --> 00:50:07,133 - And in Jeffrey Dahmer's mind, 1019 00:50:07,166 --> 00:50:10,567 this macabre ritual has a purpose, 1020 00:50:10,567 --> 00:50:13,367 and it's something he has no trouble describing 1021 00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,667 down to the goriest detail. 1022 00:50:15,700 --> 00:50:17,700 - I was branching out. 1023 00:50:17,734 --> 00:50:20,433 That's when the cannibalism started, 1024 00:50:20,433 --> 00:50:25,367 eating of the heart and the arm muscle. 1025 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:32,100 It was a way of making me feel that they were a part of me. 1026 00:50:32,133 --> 00:50:35,500 At first, it was just curiosity, 1027 00:50:35,533 --> 00:50:38,734 and then it became compulsive. 1028 00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:44,533 - Contrary to what one might expect 1029 00:50:44,567 --> 00:50:49,400 of some wild frenzy of consuming raw flesh, 1030 00:50:49,433 --> 00:50:54,600 what he did was to cook a filet of biceps 1031 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,166 that he'd kept in his freezer, 1032 00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,600 sit at a table, and make a meal of it 1033 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:06,667 while looking at photographs of that person alive. 1034 00:51:10,033 --> 00:51:14,734 - Up next, Jeffrey Dahmer's most terrifying idea yet. 1035 00:51:14,734 --> 00:51:18,600 - I tried to keep the person alive 1036 00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,433 by inducing a zombie-like state. 1037 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:29,467 It's 1990, and Jeffrey Dahmer 1038 00:51:31,500 --> 00:51:33,500 is in the middle of a killing spree, 1039 00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:37,567 which continues uninterrupted and unnoticed for years. 1040 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,633 He was pulled over by the police 1041 00:51:39,633 --> 00:51:42,066 with body parts in his car. 1042 00:51:42,100 --> 00:51:44,100 He had been arrested for exposing himself 1043 00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:46,767 and for sexual assault on a minor. 1044 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,500 He was caught drugging men at a bathhouse. 1045 00:51:50,533 --> 00:51:54,367 And still he wasn't stopped. 1046 00:51:54,367 --> 00:51:57,100 Emboldened by these multiple close calls, 1047 00:51:57,100 --> 00:51:59,467 his violent compulsions begin to evolve, 1048 00:51:59,500 --> 00:52:02,633 intensifying and becoming more and more perverse 1049 00:52:02,667 --> 00:52:06,033 as he preys upon men in Milwaukee. 1050 00:52:08,533 --> 00:52:10,533 How did you live that double life? 1051 00:52:10,567 --> 00:52:12,000 How did you go to work? 1052 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,533 How did you have 1053 00:52:13,567 --> 00:52:16,066 a normal relationship with your family? 1054 00:52:16,100 --> 00:52:18,667 - When you try to keep a terrible secret, like I was, 1055 00:52:18,667 --> 00:52:22,133 it warps every other aspect of your life. 1056 00:52:22,133 --> 00:52:27,667 But I managed to-- I managed to go to work, 1057 00:52:27,667 --> 00:52:30,600 conduct myself just like anyone else would. 1058 00:52:38,433 --> 00:52:41,767 - Well, I've been surviving mostly on McDonald's food. 1059 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,767 It's just so much easier just to pop into the restaurant. 1060 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,100 But like I've said before, it gets too expensive, 1061 00:52:48,133 --> 00:52:51,500 and I have to start eating at home more. 1062 00:52:53,033 --> 00:52:56,000 - Even his neighbors were fooled. 1063 00:52:56,033 --> 00:52:57,700 - I don't know where he was getting them guys from, 1064 00:52:57,734 --> 00:53:00,433 but he would take them in his apartment, you know? 1065 00:53:00,433 --> 00:53:02,033 And there were a couple of them 1066 00:53:02,033 --> 00:53:04,166 that I didn't see them come out of there, 1067 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,166 and I had asked him about that. 1068 00:53:06,166 --> 00:53:08,033 He said, "Oh, well, maybe you were in the bathroom 1069 00:53:08,033 --> 00:53:11,233 or something like that, 'cause they're gone." 1070 00:53:11,266 --> 00:53:15,166 - Why was it so easy, though, for you to hide it all? 1071 00:53:15,166 --> 00:53:17,133 - I desensitized myself to it. 1072 00:53:17,166 --> 00:53:18,567 I--I-- 1073 00:53:18,567 --> 00:53:21,567 I... 1074 00:53:21,567 --> 00:53:23,433 [exhales] 1075 00:53:23,433 --> 00:53:25,700 I don't know. I went to great lengths. 1076 00:53:25,700 --> 00:53:28,600 I bought security systems, 1077 00:53:28,633 --> 00:53:30,467 installed them myself in the apartment. 1078 00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:36,200 I had a video camera in the corner of the room, 1079 00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:40,200 installed locks on the doors, 1080 00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:41,734 sirens and stuff 1081 00:53:41,734 --> 00:53:44,266 in case anyone broke in to the apartment. 1082 00:53:44,300 --> 00:53:46,066 - I was there, 1083 00:53:46,066 --> 00:53:49,133 and because I taught the boys how to clean 1084 00:53:49,166 --> 00:53:50,700 and take care of a home, 1085 00:53:50,734 --> 00:53:52,700 I went through the refrigerator, the bathroom, 1086 00:53:52,734 --> 00:53:54,200 behind the shower curtain. 1087 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:55,200 The fridge was fine. 1088 00:53:55,233 --> 00:53:56,734 The bathroom was fine. 1089 00:53:56,767 --> 00:54:00,000 Nothing had taken place at that time. 1090 00:54:00,033 --> 00:54:03,066 - They said it was absolutely clean, perfect. 1091 00:54:03,100 --> 00:54:04,433 - Right. 1092 00:54:04,467 --> 00:54:05,667 - How'd you hide from them? 1093 00:54:05,700 --> 00:54:07,667 - Everything was locked up, 1094 00:54:07,700 --> 00:54:14,500 either in the freezer or in the file chest. 1095 00:54:14,500 --> 00:54:19,767 And so there was no evidence laying in the open. 1096 00:54:19,767 --> 00:54:22,734 There was nothing abnormal about the look of the apartment. 1097 00:54:22,767 --> 00:54:24,633 - Dahmer's father, Lionel, 1098 00:54:24,667 --> 00:54:28,300 is talking about his son after years of silence. 1099 00:54:28,333 --> 00:54:30,600 He says he wants to share his thoughts 1100 00:54:30,633 --> 00:54:34,200 on Jeffrey's terrible deeds one last time. 1101 00:54:34,233 --> 00:54:37,233 - Everything that he did was... 1102 00:54:37,266 --> 00:54:41,233 You know, he seemed like a very normal person. 1103 00:54:41,233 --> 00:54:45,633 He covered up so much. 1104 00:54:45,633 --> 00:54:52,133 And I wish that I had really pushed harder 1105 00:54:52,133 --> 00:54:55,233 to find out what he's thinking 1106 00:54:55,266 --> 00:54:59,533 in his--about everything. 1107 00:55:01,266 --> 00:55:03,000 - You need to understand at that point 1108 00:55:03,033 --> 00:55:06,133 in Lionel's life, he was very, very naive. 1109 00:55:06,133 --> 00:55:07,767 If there's no communication, 1110 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,066 you don't know what the truth is. 1111 00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:12,333 - Did his father know that at times, 1112 00:55:12,367 --> 00:55:14,266 his son was keeping secrets? 1113 00:55:14,266 --> 00:55:16,000 Yes. 1114 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,734 But could he, in his wildest dreams, 1115 00:55:17,767 --> 00:55:19,600 have imagined that the secret was 1116 00:55:19,633 --> 00:55:22,000 that he was a serial killer who had necrophilia 1117 00:55:22,033 --> 00:55:23,533 and had killed 17 people? 1118 00:55:23,533 --> 00:55:26,600 I can't imagine that's the case. 1119 00:55:26,633 --> 00:55:29,734 - And what's just as puzzling is the fact 1120 00:55:29,767 --> 00:55:32,500 that neither the authorities nor the general public 1121 00:55:32,533 --> 00:55:35,100 had any idea a serial killer 1122 00:55:35,133 --> 00:55:37,567 was systematically removing men 1123 00:55:37,567 --> 00:55:39,633 from the streets of Milwaukee. 1124 00:55:39,667 --> 00:55:42,300 - Every year, many young men disappear. 1125 00:55:42,300 --> 00:55:44,166 They have a fight with their girlfriend, 1126 00:55:44,166 --> 00:55:45,700 get fired from the job, 1127 00:55:45,734 --> 00:55:47,667 have a fight with the family, and leave. 1128 00:55:47,700 --> 00:55:49,567 And they're gone a couple weeks and come back home. 1129 00:55:49,567 --> 00:55:51,367 They give it very different investigative efforts 1130 00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,633 compared when a young woman disappears. 1131 00:55:53,667 --> 00:55:57,633 No one had even a suspicion that a serial slayer was afoot. 1132 00:55:57,667 --> 00:56:00,700 - By the spring of 1991, 1133 00:56:00,700 --> 00:56:03,667 Dahmer's victim count reaches double digits. 1134 00:56:03,700 --> 00:56:06,367 He lures 17-year-old Curtis Straughter 1135 00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:10,266 from a bus stop, then strangles him to death. 1136 00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:15,233 Next, Dahmer would move on to a new obsession. 1137 00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,066 - Mr. Dahmer had been sexually aroused 1138 00:56:21,100 --> 00:56:25,200 by the idea of having sex with a dead body. 1139 00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,400 He also, at times, had fantasies 1140 00:56:27,433 --> 00:56:29,734 about having sex with what he referred to 1141 00:56:29,734 --> 00:56:32,300 as "zombies," human beings that existed 1142 00:56:32,333 --> 00:56:35,734 somewhere between being dead and being alive, 1143 00:56:35,767 --> 00:56:39,600 something he later on actually ended up acting upon. 1144 00:56:39,633 --> 00:56:42,133 - His experiments lead to the death 1145 00:56:42,166 --> 00:56:45,200 of his 11th victim, Errol Lindsey. 1146 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,166 A month later, he fails again, 1147 00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,066 this time with 31-year-old Tony Hughes, 1148 00:56:50,066 --> 00:56:52,600 a deaf man who Dahmer communicates with 1149 00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,066 through written notes. 1150 00:56:55,100 --> 00:56:59,767 - I tried to keep the person alive 1151 00:56:59,767 --> 00:57:03,333 by inducing a zombie-like state... 1152 00:57:06,633 --> 00:57:13,066 By injecting first a dilute acid solution 1153 00:57:13,100 --> 00:57:16,767 into their brain or hot water. 1154 00:57:16,767 --> 00:57:20,333 And it never did completely work. 1155 00:57:20,367 --> 00:57:22,767 - Could someone like you be stopped? 1156 00:57:22,767 --> 00:57:24,100 Could you be helped? 1157 00:57:24,133 --> 00:57:26,367 - No, I was-- 1158 00:57:26,367 --> 00:57:31,233 I was dead set on going with this compulsion. 1159 00:57:31,233 --> 00:57:36,100 It was the only thing that gave me any... 1160 00:57:36,133 --> 00:57:38,400 any satisfaction. 1161 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:44,233 - He later shares the details with a forensic psychologist. 1162 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,667 - After two failed attempts at creating zombies, 1163 00:57:56,667 --> 00:58:00,400 Dahmer tries for a third time in May 1991. 1164 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,033 That would lead to his closest call yet. 1165 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,667 - He looked like a little kid. 1166 00:58:18,667 --> 00:58:20,433 He had a towel around, 1167 00:58:20,433 --> 00:58:22,033 and it had blood, 1168 00:58:22,033 --> 00:58:24,033 and he had blood running down his leg. 1169 00:58:24,066 --> 00:58:29,300 - The boy is 14-year-old Konerak Sinthasomphone. 1170 00:58:29,333 --> 00:58:31,500 Injured and drugged, he escaped 1171 00:58:31,533 --> 00:58:33,166 when Jeffrey Dahmer left the apartment 1172 00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,166 to buy beer. 1173 00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,433 In a terrible twist of fate, he's the younger brother 1174 00:58:38,433 --> 00:58:41,767 of the boy Dahmer was arrested for molesting 1175 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,700 three years earlier. 1176 00:58:43,700 --> 00:58:45,300 - What had already happened 1177 00:58:45,333 --> 00:58:47,433 that the police couldn't possibly have known 1178 00:58:47,467 --> 00:58:50,033 is that Mr. Dahmer had drilled a small hole 1179 00:58:50,033 --> 00:58:51,433 in the skull of this young man 1180 00:58:51,467 --> 00:58:53,300 and poured a caustic substance into it, 1181 00:58:53,300 --> 00:58:57,667 thinking that he now created a zombie. 1182 00:58:57,700 --> 00:58:59,700 - They didn't see the drillings into the head 1183 00:58:59,700 --> 00:59:01,233 that he had conducted. 1184 00:59:01,266 --> 00:59:04,133 Apparently, it was under the hairline. 1185 00:59:04,166 --> 00:59:07,133 - The incoherent boy is with the police 1186 00:59:07,166 --> 00:59:08,533 when Dahmer returns, 1187 00:59:08,567 --> 00:59:10,467 but instead of fleeing the scene, 1188 00:59:10,500 --> 00:59:13,333 he acts as cool as ever. 1189 00:59:13,367 --> 00:59:15,433 - Dahmer went right up to the police and says, 1190 00:59:15,467 --> 00:59:17,200 "This is my lover. 1191 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,066 "If you come, I'll take you back to my apartment. 1192 00:59:19,066 --> 00:59:20,333 Here's his clothes." 1193 00:59:20,367 --> 00:59:23,000 They were all folded on the couch. 1194 00:59:23,033 --> 00:59:25,734 - Mr. Dahmer did keep his wits 1195 00:59:25,767 --> 00:59:28,066 and persuaded them by showing some pictures 1196 00:59:28,066 --> 00:59:30,333 that this young lad had voluntarily taken 1197 00:59:30,333 --> 00:59:33,433 that these were just two consenting homosexual adults 1198 00:59:33,467 --> 00:59:36,066 engaging in sexual activity. 1199 00:59:36,100 --> 00:59:37,734 I don't think the police recognized the age 1200 00:59:37,734 --> 00:59:40,300 of this young man at that time. 1201 00:59:40,333 --> 00:59:44,767 - The body of the last victim, Tony Hughes, is still there, 1202 00:59:44,767 --> 00:59:47,433 but the police don't look around. 1203 00:59:47,467 --> 00:59:52,400 Instead, they leave the boy in the apartment with Dahmer. 1204 01:00:01,100 --> 01:00:03,033 - Did that play an element in it, 1205 01:00:03,066 --> 01:00:05,033 that there were homosexuals involved, possibly? 1206 01:00:05,066 --> 01:00:06,367 I can't assess that. 1207 01:00:06,367 --> 01:00:08,433 I think that would be a harsh judgment. 1208 01:00:08,467 --> 01:00:11,100 - During the incident where the police were called... 1209 01:00:11,100 --> 01:00:12,433 - Mm-hmm. 1210 01:00:12,467 --> 01:00:14,734 - And the young boy was returned to you, 1211 01:00:14,767 --> 01:00:16,500 that didn't wake you up at all? 1212 01:00:16,500 --> 01:00:18,500 The police on your doorstep? 1213 01:00:18,500 --> 01:00:21,300 - They were--they were in the apartment. 1214 01:00:21,333 --> 01:00:23,367 They were actually in the apartment, 1215 01:00:23,367 --> 01:00:27,100 and there was a dead young man in the bedroom 1216 01:00:27,133 --> 01:00:29,133 on the floor. 1217 01:00:29,133 --> 01:00:32,000 I couldn't believe it when-- 1218 01:00:32,033 --> 01:00:34,100 when it turned out that they--they-- 1219 01:00:34,133 --> 01:00:36,133 they didn't see anything. 1220 01:00:36,133 --> 01:00:37,600 I just--I couldn't believe it. 1221 01:00:37,633 --> 01:00:40,233 And yes, it did shock me but not enough to quit. 1222 01:00:40,266 --> 01:00:43,233 That's how strong the compulsion was. 1223 01:00:43,266 --> 01:00:45,500 - Any neighbors with lingering suspicions 1224 01:00:45,533 --> 01:00:47,367 are assured by the police 1225 01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,400 that nothing is out of the ordinary, 1226 01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,367 as you'll hear in this 911 call. 1227 01:01:05,233 --> 01:01:08,433 - Well, the next day, Dahmer killed him. 1228 01:01:10,667 --> 01:01:15,600 - Konerak Sinthasomphone was Dahmer's 13th victim. 1229 01:01:17,133 --> 01:01:18,567 Up next... 1230 01:01:18,567 --> 01:01:21,133 Did you like feeling evil? - No. 1231 01:01:21,166 --> 01:01:23,066 No, I didn't. 1232 01:01:29,567 --> 01:01:30,133 After the close call 1233 01:01:30,133 --> 01:01:30,400 After the close call with the police 1234 01:01:32,033 --> 01:01:33,433 in May of 1991, 1235 01:01:33,433 --> 01:01:35,367 Jeffrey Dahmer's killing accelerates 1236 01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,300 to a dizzying pace. 1237 01:01:37,333 --> 01:01:40,567 Within a week, he murders 20-year-old Matt Turner 1238 01:01:40,567 --> 01:01:44,100 and 23-year-old Jeremiah Weinberger. 1239 01:01:44,133 --> 01:01:46,033 Only ten days later, he strangles 1240 01:01:46,033 --> 01:01:49,066 24-year-old Oliver Lacy. 1241 01:01:49,066 --> 01:01:50,467 - Things just began to deteriorate. 1242 01:01:50,500 --> 01:01:53,300 He became like a killing machine out of control. 1243 01:01:53,333 --> 01:01:57,600 There were just body parts, at the end, all over the place. 1244 01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:01,600 - Before long, his neighbors report a foul stench 1245 01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,266 coming from somewhere on their floor. 1246 01:02:04,300 --> 01:02:06,033 - Ooh. 1247 01:02:06,066 --> 01:02:07,467 I can't even describe it. 1248 01:02:07,500 --> 01:02:09,567 It's a horrible smell. 1249 01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:14,166 I know me and Jeff went up and down the hallways, smelling-- 1250 01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,600 you know, trying to see where it was coming from. 1251 01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:20,333 - The landlord eventually tracks the smell 1252 01:02:20,333 --> 01:02:22,333 to Dahmer's apartment. 1253 01:02:22,333 --> 01:02:25,433 - He told the manager, "Well, my fish died." 1254 01:02:25,467 --> 01:02:27,467 Then he told him, "My meat spoiled." 1255 01:02:27,467 --> 01:02:29,133 And then the third time, 1256 01:02:29,166 --> 01:02:31,233 the manager came up and told him-- 1257 01:02:31,233 --> 01:02:33,100 complained about the smell, he told him, 1258 01:02:33,133 --> 01:02:35,467 "You're gonna be evicted next month." 1259 01:02:35,500 --> 01:02:37,500 - I went in to help him clean up, 1260 01:02:37,500 --> 01:02:40,333 and he told me--he said, "It's the freezer over there 1261 01:02:40,367 --> 01:02:43,100 "that my grandma has sent me some meat, 1262 01:02:43,133 --> 01:02:46,100 "and I put it in there, and I went back to her house, 1263 01:02:46,100 --> 01:02:47,633 and I forgot to plug it in." 1264 01:02:47,633 --> 01:02:50,500 I haven't been around no dead people. 1265 01:02:50,500 --> 01:02:52,734 I don't know anything about how they smell. 1266 01:02:55,100 --> 01:02:57,233 He had a very good disguise. 1267 01:02:57,266 --> 01:02:59,100 That's what it was. 1268 01:02:59,100 --> 01:03:01,433 - Jeffrey Dahmer begins to miss work 1269 01:03:01,467 --> 01:03:05,100 and is fired from his job at the chocolate factory. 1270 01:03:05,133 --> 01:03:08,433 Killing becomes his only function in life. 1271 01:03:08,467 --> 01:03:11,500 Two days later, 25-year-old Joseph Bradehoft 1272 01:03:11,500 --> 01:03:15,266 becomes Dahmer's 17th and final victim. 1273 01:03:15,266 --> 01:03:18,467 Three days later, Dahmer's reign of terror 1274 01:03:18,500 --> 01:03:21,266 comes crashing to a halt. 1275 01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,633 - Oh, Lord. [chuckles] 1276 01:03:25,667 --> 01:03:28,467 That was not a good night for me. 1277 01:03:28,500 --> 01:03:32,233 I was home by myself, and Jeff was having-- 1278 01:03:32,266 --> 01:03:34,533 Jeff was having some company or something, 1279 01:03:34,533 --> 01:03:38,633 'cause I could hear music, a radio or something playing. 1280 01:03:38,667 --> 01:03:42,233 - The company she hears is Tracy Edwards, 1281 01:03:42,266 --> 01:03:44,667 a man Jeffrey Dahmer met at a mall 1282 01:03:44,667 --> 01:03:47,400 and convinces to come back to his apartment. 1283 01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,667 - He was out of Halcion, 1284 01:03:49,667 --> 01:03:52,200 so he had handcuffs, 1285 01:03:52,233 --> 01:03:56,133 and he persuaded Edwards to get one handcuff on, 1286 01:03:56,166 --> 01:04:00,300 and he said he wanted to photograph him in bondage, 1287 01:04:00,300 --> 01:04:01,533 so he wanted to put the other one on. 1288 01:04:01,567 --> 01:04:03,433 Well, Edwards says, 1289 01:04:03,467 --> 01:04:06,567 "You're not gonna put that second one on." 1290 01:04:06,567 --> 01:04:10,266 - At the trial, Edwards gives a harrowing account 1291 01:04:10,300 --> 01:04:12,300 of the night's events. 1292 01:04:12,300 --> 01:04:14,767 - He told me to lay down face down, 1293 01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,567 put both of my hands behind my back. 1294 01:04:17,567 --> 01:04:19,400 I kind of, like, laid on my side. 1295 01:04:19,433 --> 01:04:22,533 For some reason, I guess God told me not to lay flat down 1296 01:04:22,567 --> 01:04:24,567 and let this person handcuff me, so I didn't. 1297 01:04:24,567 --> 01:04:26,433 He kind of laid across me, 1298 01:04:26,433 --> 01:04:28,667 put his head across my chest at that point 1299 01:04:28,700 --> 01:04:30,533 like he was listening to my heart, 1300 01:04:30,567 --> 01:04:32,233 'cause at that point, he told me 1301 01:04:32,266 --> 01:04:34,166 he was gonna eat my heart at that point. 1302 01:04:34,166 --> 01:04:37,266 The "Exorcist" movie was playing at that time. 1303 01:04:37,300 --> 01:04:40,166 - This was part of Jeffrey Dahmer's ritual. 1304 01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:44,467 He would watch "Exorcist III" before every murderous outing. 1305 01:04:44,467 --> 01:04:49,734 - I felt so hopelessly evil and perverted 1306 01:04:49,767 --> 01:04:53,734 that... 1307 01:04:53,734 --> 01:04:58,333 that I actually derived a sort of pleasure 1308 01:04:58,333 --> 01:04:59,600 from watching that tape. 1309 01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,467 - Did you like feeling evil? 1310 01:05:01,500 --> 01:05:03,433 - No, no, I didn't. 1311 01:05:03,467 --> 01:05:08,600 But I had tried to overcome the thoughts, 1312 01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:14,333 and it worked for a while, but eventually I gave in. 1313 01:05:14,333 --> 01:05:17,367 - Jeffrey took him into his room. 1314 01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:19,767 They were both sitting on the bed. 1315 01:05:19,767 --> 01:05:23,333 And Dahmer was rocking back and forth 1316 01:05:23,367 --> 01:05:26,567 and kind of humming, making noises. 1317 01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,500 [ominous music] 1318 01:05:28,533 --> 01:05:30,300 - I said, "Well, at least I'm gonna die trying. 1319 01:05:30,333 --> 01:05:31,633 I'm not just gonna sit here." 1320 01:05:31,633 --> 01:05:33,500 And then I just-- for some reason, I said, 1321 01:05:33,500 --> 01:05:35,233 "Well, I need to go to the bathroom," 1322 01:05:35,266 --> 01:05:37,333 and he didn't follow me at that point. 1323 01:05:37,367 --> 01:05:41,233 And I ran out. 1324 01:05:41,233 --> 01:05:43,233 - He goes up to a squad car, says, "Hey, 1325 01:05:43,233 --> 01:05:44,767 can you help me take this handcuff off?" 1326 01:05:44,767 --> 01:05:46,433 The police ask him what's happening. 1327 01:05:46,467 --> 01:05:48,367 They try. They can't. 1328 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:49,767 So they head back to Dahmer's house 1329 01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,567 to get the key. 1330 01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,600 - So they went back to the apartment with Edwards. 1331 01:05:55,633 --> 01:05:59,734 Dahmer, of course, was drinking or drunk. 1332 01:05:59,767 --> 01:06:03,734 - In an open dresser drawer in plain sight 1333 01:06:03,767 --> 01:06:07,633 are close to 80 Polaroids documenting Dahmer's victims-- 1334 01:06:07,667 --> 01:06:12,000 naked, posed, and dismembered. 1335 01:06:12,033 --> 01:06:16,000 - Officer yelled, "Get the cuffs on him" 1336 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,000 or something like that. 1337 01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,633 And the other one came out in the hallway, 1338 01:06:20,667 --> 01:06:24,266 and I was running down that way to get out of the way, 1339 01:06:24,266 --> 01:06:26,066 'cause I said, "I don't know what they're doing. 1340 01:06:26,100 --> 01:06:29,367 I don't know what they found." 1341 01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,500 - We're investigating a homicide that's occurred 1342 01:06:31,533 --> 01:06:33,000 in the apartment building 1343 01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,000 in the 900 block of North 25th Street. 1344 01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,266 - It's obvious that there is-- has been a number 1345 01:06:37,266 --> 01:06:41,100 of human specimens found within the apartment. 1346 01:06:41,133 --> 01:06:43,433 - The evidence collected 1347 01:06:43,467 --> 01:06:47,100 is straight out of a horror film: 1348 01:06:47,133 --> 01:06:50,300 severed heads, bleached skulls, 1349 01:06:50,300 --> 01:06:56,433 a 57-gallon vat of acid used to dissolve human flesh. 1350 01:06:56,433 --> 01:06:58,433 And inside the refrigerator, 1351 01:06:58,433 --> 01:07:04,433 neatly packaged body parts ready for consumption. 1352 01:07:04,467 --> 01:07:06,433 What was the turning point for you 1353 01:07:06,433 --> 01:07:08,300 that made you suddenly realize 1354 01:07:08,300 --> 01:07:10,533 that you had done something terribly wrong, 1355 01:07:10,567 --> 01:07:12,300 something you should be sorry for? 1356 01:07:12,300 --> 01:07:14,767 - It was the night of the arrest. 1357 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:19,300 I have no memory of what happened 1358 01:07:19,300 --> 01:07:21,000 during the s the srs 1359 01:07:21,033 --> 01:07:25,033 before the last victim ran out of the apartment. 1360 01:07:25,066 --> 01:07:29,600 I heard a knock on the door, and the police were there 1361 01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:34,133 with the last victim. 1362 01:07:34,166 --> 01:07:37,333 They asked me where the key was to the handcuffs. 1363 01:07:37,333 --> 01:07:40,700 I was--my mind was in a haze. 1364 01:07:40,734 --> 01:07:43,333 I sort of pointed to the bedroom, 1365 01:07:43,333 --> 01:07:46,333 and that's where they found the pictures. 1366 01:07:46,333 --> 01:07:48,467 And they yelled, "Cuff him." 1367 01:07:48,467 --> 01:07:50,600 I was handcuffed. 1368 01:07:50,633 --> 01:07:54,333 And it was just the realization 1369 01:07:54,367 --> 01:07:58,600 that there was no point in trying to hide-- 1370 01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:01,433 hide my actions anymore. 1371 01:08:01,467 --> 01:08:06,033 The best route was to help, help the police 1372 01:08:06,066 --> 01:08:08,166 identify all the victims 1373 01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,700 and just make a complete confession. 1374 01:08:14,133 --> 01:08:17,166 - Well, at 3:00, I got a phone call. 1375 01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:18,734 They had a subject in custody 1376 01:08:18,767 --> 01:08:21,433 that had skulls in his apartment 1377 01:08:21,467 --> 01:08:23,567 and body parts, at which time 1378 01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,633 I immediately said, "You're screwing with me." 1379 01:08:27,633 --> 01:08:30,367 I went in and introduced myself to Jeff, 1380 01:08:30,367 --> 01:08:32,367 and he immediately said, 1381 01:08:32,367 --> 01:08:35,700 "When you find out what I did, you're gonna want to kill me." 1382 01:08:35,734 --> 01:08:38,767 Then we says, "Well, let's start from the beginning." 1383 01:08:38,767 --> 01:08:42,467 And he said, "Well, that was a long time ago." 1384 01:08:42,500 --> 01:08:45,000 And we said, "What--what year?" 1385 01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,400 And he says, "'78." 1386 01:08:48,433 --> 01:08:50,467 - Starting with the disappearance 1387 01:08:50,500 --> 01:08:53,133 of Steven Hicks back in Bath, Ohio, 1388 01:08:53,166 --> 01:08:56,133 Dahmer describes every murder in detail 1389 01:08:56,133 --> 01:08:58,600 all the way up to Joseph Bradehoft 1390 01:08:58,633 --> 01:09:01,400 just days before the arrest. 1391 01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:06,533 It starts to become clear that Dahmer had a type. 1392 01:09:06,533 --> 01:09:08,734 - Interestingly enough, disproportionately, 1393 01:09:08,767 --> 01:09:11,400 Dahmer's victims were African-American. 1394 01:09:11,433 --> 01:09:14,467 - 10 of your 17 victims were black. 1395 01:09:14,500 --> 01:09:16,066 Were they racially motivated crimes? 1396 01:09:16,100 --> 01:09:17,667 - It was not racially motivated. 1397 01:09:17,700 --> 01:09:20,066 It was not sexual preference. 1398 01:09:20,100 --> 01:09:23,133 It was just to find-- an obsession 1399 01:09:23,133 --> 01:09:28,166 with the best-looking young man I could find. 1400 01:09:28,166 --> 01:09:31,233 - The only time I saw Dahmer get mad 1401 01:09:31,266 --> 01:09:35,133 is when he was accused of being biased against blacks. 1402 01:09:35,166 --> 01:09:36,533 It wasn't true. 1403 01:09:36,567 --> 01:09:41,033 He just was crazy sick. 1404 01:09:44,166 --> 01:09:46,166 - Everyone in the law enforcement, 1405 01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:49,433 ranging from the policemen who arrested him 1406 01:09:49,433 --> 01:09:51,033 to the attorney, 1407 01:09:51,033 --> 01:09:54,000 thought he covered up everything 1408 01:09:54,033 --> 01:09:56,166 so extremely well 1409 01:09:56,166 --> 01:10:00,433 that they had no idea of what was going on in his mind. 1410 01:10:00,433 --> 01:10:03,000 - We didn't hear about the extent 1411 01:10:03,033 --> 01:10:07,166 till it came out in the papers and he was in jail. 1412 01:10:07,166 --> 01:10:10,433 It's not a pleasant experience to go through. 1413 01:10:10,467 --> 01:10:14,700 But my concern was taking care of my husband. 1414 01:10:14,734 --> 01:10:17,600 - But Lionel's main concern was his mother, 1415 01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:19,533 who lived in the house 1416 01:10:19,567 --> 01:10:23,166 where murders three, four, and five were committed. 1417 01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,467 - All the four newspapers, 1418 01:10:25,500 --> 01:10:28,166 they were camped out across the street, 1419 01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:31,600 and it was just endless. 1420 01:10:37,066 --> 01:10:38,667 - She just couldn't imagine. 1421 01:10:38,700 --> 01:10:41,600 She just--it didn't register how bad it was. 1422 01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:47,066 We kept it from her, but when she finally was told, 1423 01:10:47,066 --> 01:10:52,133 she finally succumbed to dementia. 1424 01:10:55,533 --> 01:10:57,567 - Despite the terrible effect 1425 01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,500 the discovery of Jeffrey's crimes had on the family, 1426 01:11:00,533 --> 01:11:02,767 they wanted to go to trial. 1427 01:11:02,767 --> 01:11:04,767 - At that time, I was thinking 1428 01:11:04,767 --> 01:11:09,200 that the mystery could be solved as to why he did these things 1429 01:11:09,233 --> 01:11:12,500 by being examined by a psychologist. 1430 01:11:12,533 --> 01:11:14,767 As it turned out, it-- 1431 01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:21,200 it seemed to me a useless exercise. 1432 01:11:21,233 --> 01:11:23,300 I know the real reason: 1433 01:11:23,333 --> 01:11:27,734 there was a lack of connection with our creator. 1434 01:11:29,633 --> 01:11:31,100 - Up next... 1435 01:11:31,133 --> 01:11:33,266 How should you be punished? 1436 01:11:33,300 --> 01:11:35,133 - Well, there's no question 1437 01:11:35,133 --> 01:11:37,367 that I deserve the death penalty. 1438 01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:46,633 In early 1992, 1439 01:11:49,100 --> 01:11:51,266 serial killer Jefferey Dahmer is about to stand trial 1440 01:11:51,266 --> 01:11:55,133 for 15 of his 17 murders. 1441 01:11:55,166 --> 01:11:58,667 But this trial isn't to establish guilt. 1442 01:11:58,700 --> 01:12:00,133 That has been weighed. 1443 01:12:00,133 --> 01:12:03,233 This is to determine sanity. 1444 01:12:03,266 --> 01:12:05,533 His family wants him declared insane 1445 01:12:05,567 --> 01:12:10,066 so he can be treated by mental health professionals. 1446 01:12:13,033 --> 01:12:17,100 - All rise. [gavel bangs] 1447 01:12:17,133 --> 01:12:19,567 - Despite the pain of hearing the details 1448 01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:21,633 of their son's crimes, 1449 01:12:21,667 --> 01:12:24,300 the Dahmers never miss a day in court. 1450 01:12:24,333 --> 01:12:27,567 - If you look at the early films of Jeff in court, 1451 01:12:27,567 --> 01:12:30,567 you'll see him in this striped shirt, 1452 01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,033 looking somewhat like a vagabond. 1453 01:12:33,066 --> 01:12:37,000 Well, I took Lionel's suit in, and we gave it to Jeff. 1454 01:12:37,033 --> 01:12:40,233 He went to court looking like a gentleman. 1455 01:12:40,266 --> 01:12:43,734 [tearfully] Because he was our son. 1456 01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:49,033 - Hearing about the crimes was just horrible. 1457 01:12:49,066 --> 01:12:51,700 I mean, it was just overwhelming. 1458 01:12:51,734 --> 01:12:55,166 And all we could do was sit there and listen 1459 01:12:55,166 --> 01:12:59,166 with the hope that the psychologists that were involved 1460 01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:02,600 could find out what caused him to do these things. 1461 01:13:02,633 --> 01:13:05,266 But I think, in the end, the reason 1462 01:13:05,300 --> 01:13:08,600 that caused him to do what he did-- 1463 01:13:08,633 --> 01:13:11,734 he just wasn't with God. 1464 01:13:11,767 --> 01:13:15,667 - Jeffrey Dahmer told me he never wanted to go to trial. 1465 01:13:15,700 --> 01:13:19,200 He just wanted to go to prison and take his punishment. 1466 01:13:19,233 --> 01:13:21,667 But that didn't happen. 1467 01:13:21,700 --> 01:13:23,066 You're wearing glasses now. 1468 01:13:23,100 --> 01:13:24,667 - Right. 1469 01:13:24,700 --> 01:13:26,200 - You didn't during the trial. 1470 01:13:26,233 --> 01:13:27,433 Why not? 1471 01:13:27,467 --> 01:13:30,066 - I--I didn't want to-- 1472 01:13:30,100 --> 01:13:33,000 I felt uncomfortable looking anyone in the face. 1473 01:13:33,033 --> 01:13:35,600 I didn't want to... 1474 01:13:35,633 --> 01:13:37,767 see anyone's face clearly. 1475 01:13:37,767 --> 01:13:40,767 It helped me dissociate myself from what was happening. 1476 01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:46,200 - Dahmer didn't have to look, but he did have to listen. 1477 01:13:46,233 --> 01:13:48,633 - He tried tasting the flesh and the heart. 1478 01:13:48,667 --> 01:13:51,367 He reported that it had a beef-like flavor. 1479 01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:53,333 - Do you still feel 1480 01:13:53,367 --> 01:13:55,166 those same urges? 1481 01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,233 Do you still feel that compulsion, that obsession? 1482 01:13:58,266 --> 01:14:02,333 - I wish I could say that it just left completely, 1483 01:14:02,367 --> 01:14:06,233 but no, there are times when I still do-- 1484 01:14:06,233 --> 01:14:09,100 still do have the old compulsion. 1485 01:14:09,100 --> 01:14:11,100 - Could someone like you be stopped? 1486 01:14:11,133 --> 01:14:12,300 Could you be helped? 1487 01:14:12,333 --> 01:14:15,367 - No, I was-- 1488 01:14:15,367 --> 01:14:19,367 I was dead set on going with this compulsion. 1489 01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:24,266 It was the only thing that gave me any-- 1490 01:14:24,300 --> 01:14:27,100 any satisfaction. 1491 01:14:29,133 --> 01:14:31,100 - Jerry Boyle argued 1492 01:14:31,133 --> 01:14:32,734 that Dahmer was like a locomotive out of control, 1493 01:14:32,767 --> 01:14:34,467 speeding down the track as he killed more people, 1494 01:14:34,500 --> 01:14:36,266 lost any sensitivity to it. 1495 01:14:36,300 --> 01:14:37,667 That would come under the hypothesis, then, 1496 01:14:37,700 --> 01:14:39,367 that he was insane, 1497 01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:41,133 'cause he couldn't control what he was doing. 1498 01:14:41,133 --> 01:14:43,266 I can understand that someone might say, 1499 01:14:43,300 --> 01:14:44,400 "He must be crazy." 1500 01:14:44,433 --> 01:14:46,000 I can understand that. 1501 01:14:46,033 --> 01:14:48,066 He was not. 1502 01:14:48,100 --> 01:14:50,667 - Did the defendant, Jeffrey L. Dahmer, 1503 01:14:50,667 --> 01:14:54,066 have a mental disease? 1504 01:14:54,100 --> 01:14:56,333 Answer: no. 1505 01:14:56,367 --> 01:14:58,467 [people cheer] 1506 01:14:58,500 --> 01:15:02,033 - Ultimately, the jury finds Dahmer guilty 1507 01:15:02,066 --> 01:15:06,000 and legally sane at the time of the murders. 1508 01:15:06,033 --> 01:15:09,100 After the verdict, the families of the victims 1509 01:15:09,133 --> 01:15:12,300 are allowed to address the killer. 1510 01:15:12,333 --> 01:15:15,166 - Jeffrey, I hate you, motherf---er! 1511 01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:16,433 I hate you! 1512 01:15:16,433 --> 01:15:18,367 This is out of control! 1513 01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:22,367 - One woman in particular really got angry. 1514 01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:24,300 What did you think when she was doing that? 1515 01:15:24,333 --> 01:15:26,367 - I couldn't blame her a bit. 1516 01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:29,500 I'm surprised there wasn't more of that. 1517 01:15:29,533 --> 01:15:33,300 - You know, there's nothing that you can say to someone 1518 01:15:33,300 --> 01:15:36,033 who is extremely distraught 1519 01:15:36,033 --> 01:15:37,500 except to give them empathy 1520 01:15:37,533 --> 01:15:40,300 and try to convince them 1521 01:15:40,300 --> 01:15:44,033 that you really do care very, very much. 1522 01:15:44,066 --> 01:15:45,467 And I do. 1523 01:15:45,467 --> 01:15:47,266 - [yelling] 1524 01:15:49,066 --> 01:15:51,066 - Mr. Dahmer, you do have the right 1525 01:15:51,066 --> 01:15:52,700 to address the court at this time. 1526 01:15:52,734 --> 01:15:55,433 - Your Honor, I know that you are about to sentence me. 1527 01:15:55,467 --> 01:15:58,133 I ask for no consideration. 1528 01:15:58,166 --> 01:15:59,433 Thank you, Your Honor, 1529 01:15:59,467 --> 01:16:01,066 and I am prepared for your sentence, 1530 01:16:01,066 --> 01:16:03,266 which I know will be the maximum. 1531 01:16:05,367 --> 01:16:09,467 - The court will impose the mandatory life sentence... 1532 01:16:09,500 --> 01:16:11,166 [dramatic music] 1533 01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:13,266 Plus an additional ten years 1534 01:16:13,300 --> 01:16:15,200 on the habitual criminality. 1535 01:16:15,233 --> 01:16:19,467 - With the death penalty not an option in Wisconsin, 1536 01:16:19,500 --> 01:16:23,066 Dahmer is given more than 15 life sentences 1537 01:16:23,100 --> 01:16:26,567 equaling 936 years. 1538 01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:29,767 Soon after, he's extradited to Ohio... 1539 01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,166 - To the charge of aggravated murder... 1540 01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:34,066 - Where he's convicted for the murder 1541 01:16:34,100 --> 01:16:36,367 of his first victim, Steven Hicks. 1542 01:16:36,367 --> 01:16:39,500 Dahmer is never charged with the 1987 murder 1543 01:16:39,500 --> 01:16:41,300 of Steven Tuomi. 1544 01:16:41,333 --> 01:16:43,767 Although he claimed responsibility, 1545 01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,100 Dahmer says he was blacked out during the act, 1546 01:16:46,133 --> 01:16:48,066 and there was no further evidence 1547 01:16:48,100 --> 01:16:49,500 linking him to the crime. 1548 01:16:49,500 --> 01:16:52,500 It was the only murder he confessed to 1549 01:16:52,500 --> 01:16:54,500 that he was not convicted of. 1550 01:16:54,500 --> 01:16:58,200 Regardless, the sentences are more than enough 1551 01:16:58,233 --> 01:17:00,100 to put minds at rest. 1552 01:17:00,133 --> 01:17:02,367 Jeffrey Dahmer would spend the rest of his life 1553 01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:06,066 behind bars. 1554 01:17:06,100 --> 01:17:09,133 - When he had first gotten locked up down there, 1555 01:17:09,166 --> 01:17:11,266 he wanted me to come down there and see him. 1556 01:17:11,266 --> 01:17:15,100 But by then, I was terrified of him. 1557 01:17:15,133 --> 01:17:17,400 I know Jeffrey who used to stay across the hall from me. 1558 01:17:17,433 --> 01:17:22,266 That Dahmer guy is somebody else. 1559 01:17:22,266 --> 01:17:24,233 No. 1560 01:17:24,266 --> 01:17:26,533 - He confided that he stayed up all night 1561 01:17:26,567 --> 01:17:28,333 and slept all day 1562 01:17:28,367 --> 01:17:30,400 because he couldn't face the daylight 1563 01:17:30,433 --> 01:17:32,633 and the memories of the brutal crimes 1564 01:17:32,667 --> 01:17:34,533 that defined his life. 1565 01:17:34,533 --> 01:17:38,133 - Usually wake up at 6:30 in the morning, 1566 01:17:38,133 --> 01:17:40,100 go eat breakfast, 1567 01:17:40,133 --> 01:17:45,467 and then sleep until noon, 1568 01:17:45,500 --> 01:17:47,600 wake up for lunch, 1569 01:17:47,633 --> 01:17:50,633 and sleep until about 4:00 in the afternoon, 1570 01:17:50,667 --> 01:17:52,433 eat dinner, 1571 01:17:52,433 --> 01:17:55,266 and then spend the greater portion of the night 1572 01:17:55,300 --> 01:17:57,166 watching TV. 1573 01:17:57,166 --> 01:17:59,233 - But how does a family even attempt 1574 01:17:59,266 --> 01:18:01,166 to reconcile the thought 1575 01:18:01,166 --> 01:18:04,100 that a man who is their own flesh and blood 1576 01:18:04,133 --> 01:18:08,233 is also the most evil criminal imaginable? 1577 01:18:08,266 --> 01:18:11,166 - I had these many, many discussions with him 1578 01:18:11,166 --> 01:18:12,500 on the phone. 1579 01:18:12,533 --> 01:18:14,567 It was always Shari and I 1580 01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:17,533 who would visit him at the prison, 1581 01:18:17,567 --> 01:18:23,567 and Shari was extremely instrumental 1582 01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:29,266 in bringing Jeff and I and her together 1583 01:18:29,300 --> 01:18:33,333 into a very loving relationship. 1584 01:18:33,367 --> 01:18:36,200 - He was very embarrassed about being in prison. 1585 01:18:36,233 --> 01:18:38,200 He would try to hide his handcuffs. 1586 01:18:38,233 --> 01:18:40,567 He was embarrassed. 1587 01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:43,533 He apologized, but you have to understand 1588 01:18:43,567 --> 01:18:46,066 he's not-- 1589 01:18:46,100 --> 01:18:50,700 he's not going to sit there and bleed about his crimes. 1590 01:18:52,333 --> 01:18:55,300 - It really was irrelevant, at that point, 1591 01:18:55,333 --> 01:18:57,133 to talk about. 1592 01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:01,066 - No, no. 1593 01:19:01,100 --> 01:19:04,333 What would it serve to be angry with him? 1594 01:19:04,333 --> 01:19:09,467 - I try not to think too deeply about anything, 1595 01:19:09,467 --> 01:19:13,367 because then I get depressed. 1596 01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:15,633 I try to figure out why this happened, 1597 01:19:15,667 --> 01:19:17,600 what started these thoughts in my head 1598 01:19:17,633 --> 01:19:21,233 at such a young age, 1599 01:19:21,266 --> 01:19:25,200 whether this has any-- any meaning to it 1600 01:19:25,233 --> 01:19:28,233 or whether this is all just a horrible coincidence, 1601 01:19:28,233 --> 01:19:30,467 you know, all the events in my life. 1602 01:19:30,500 --> 01:19:33,500 I feel that I'm better off here 1603 01:19:33,500 --> 01:19:37,367 than I was on the outside, doing what I was doing. 1604 01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:39,200 - You're glad you're in prison. 1605 01:19:39,233 --> 01:19:42,200 - I think it's best for everyone, right. 1606 01:19:42,233 --> 01:19:44,633 - As prisoners often do, 1607 01:19:44,667 --> 01:19:47,734 Dahmer turns to God while behind bars. 1608 01:19:47,767 --> 01:19:49,633 - Got a phone call. 1609 01:19:49,633 --> 01:19:52,367 It was from a minister friend of mine in Milwaukee 1610 01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:53,600 who said that there was an inmate 1611 01:19:53,633 --> 01:19:55,533 who wanted to be baptized. 1612 01:19:55,567 --> 01:19:57,500 I said, "Okay, I've never done this before, but sure. 1613 01:19:57,533 --> 01:19:59,266 What's his name?" 1614 01:19:59,300 --> 01:20:00,500 He said, "You better sit down for this one. 1615 01:20:00,533 --> 01:20:03,133 It's Jeffrey Dahmer." 1616 01:20:03,166 --> 01:20:04,600 - Up next... 1617 01:20:04,633 --> 01:20:06,500 What do you think happens after you die? 1618 01:20:08,266 --> 01:20:11,333 - Right. That's the big unknown. 1619 01:20:17,333 --> 01:20:17,667 - Sentenced to almost 1620 01:20:17,667 --> 01:20:18,266 - Sentenced to almost a millennium in prison, 1621 01:20:20,433 --> 01:20:21,667 convicted serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer 1622 01:20:21,667 --> 01:20:23,200 embraces religion. 1623 01:20:23,233 --> 01:20:24,600 He asks Roy Ratcliff, 1624 01:20:24,633 --> 01:20:27,233 then a minister in the Church of Christ, 1625 01:20:27,266 --> 01:20:28,533 to baptize him. 1626 01:20:28,567 --> 01:20:30,533 - He'd begun to think more deeply, 1627 01:20:30,533 --> 01:20:32,266 and that was primarily to save his soul, 1628 01:20:32,300 --> 01:20:34,433 to get his soul right with God. 1629 01:20:34,467 --> 01:20:36,400 - Dahmer's father, Lionel, 1630 01:20:36,433 --> 01:20:38,500 by now a devout Christian himself, 1631 01:20:38,533 --> 01:20:43,367 uses this opportunity to bond with his son. 1632 01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:45,433 - I told him that there are 1633 01:20:45,433 --> 01:20:48,433 many, many, many people in this world 1634 01:20:48,467 --> 01:20:52,433 who think that Genesis, the first book of the Bible, 1635 01:20:52,433 --> 01:20:57,633 is some type of a myth instead of actual history. 1636 01:20:57,667 --> 01:21:01,033 And he ordered roughly 13 books 1637 01:21:01,033 --> 01:21:04,300 on the evolution-creation controversy, 1638 01:21:04,333 --> 01:21:07,300 and he became convinced, 1639 01:21:07,333 --> 01:21:10,767 and then he attempted to follow through 1640 01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:14,533 and live as holy a life as he could. 1641 01:21:14,567 --> 01:21:17,333 - But at the same time, Dahmer told me 1642 01:21:17,333 --> 01:21:20,467 he never conquered his deadly impulses. 1643 01:21:20,500 --> 01:21:23,266 If you were out on the street now, 1644 01:21:23,300 --> 01:21:25,333 would you still be committing the crimes? 1645 01:21:25,333 --> 01:21:26,400 - Probably. 1646 01:21:26,433 --> 01:21:28,066 If this hadn't happened, 1647 01:21:28,066 --> 01:21:30,066 there's no doubt I probably would be. 1648 01:21:30,066 --> 01:21:34,200 I can't think of anything that would have stopped me. 1649 01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,200 - Jeff told us when he was in prison 1650 01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:39,734 that he should never be turned loose, 1651 01:21:39,734 --> 01:21:42,200 because he would do the same thing again. 1652 01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:43,433 Now, that requires a great deal 1653 01:21:43,467 --> 01:21:46,133 of soul-searching and honesty. 1654 01:21:46,166 --> 01:21:48,667 - You know the families of the victims 1655 01:21:48,700 --> 01:21:51,734 don't believe in your conversion 1656 01:21:51,767 --> 01:21:53,066 or your sorrow. 1657 01:21:53,100 --> 01:21:54,600 - Oh, right. 1658 01:21:54,600 --> 01:22:00,367 And if I was on the-- on their end of the table, 1659 01:22:00,367 --> 01:22:02,633 I wouldn't either. 1660 01:22:02,633 --> 01:22:07,367 Ultimately, I'm accountable to the Lord Jesus Christ. 1661 01:22:07,367 --> 01:22:09,600 He'll be my final judge. 1662 01:22:09,633 --> 01:22:11,700 - Can your sins be forgiven? 1663 01:22:11,734 --> 01:22:13,333 - The Lord Jesus Christ's shed blood 1664 01:22:13,367 --> 01:22:18,233 is powerful enough to wipe out even my sins. 1665 01:22:18,233 --> 01:22:22,100 - One of the most beautiful things that occurred 1666 01:22:22,133 --> 01:22:24,500 when Jeff was in prison, if you can call it beautiful-- 1667 01:22:24,500 --> 01:22:29,500 I made friends with one of the victims' sisters, 1668 01:22:29,533 --> 01:22:33,100 and I was able to get her in to visit Jeff. 1669 01:22:33,100 --> 01:22:36,767 As nervous as Jeff was, 1670 01:22:36,767 --> 01:22:41,100 he was able to tell her how her brother died. 1671 01:22:41,133 --> 01:22:43,600 And she needed that for closure. 1672 01:22:43,633 --> 01:22:47,500 - And she ended up saying that she forgave Jeff, 1673 01:22:47,533 --> 01:22:50,500 because she knew that it was something 1674 01:22:50,533 --> 01:22:54,000 that was completely overpowering Jeff. 1675 01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,133 - How should you be punished? 1676 01:22:56,133 --> 01:22:58,000 - Well, there's no question 1677 01:22:58,000 --> 01:22:59,667 that I deserve the death penalty. 1678 01:22:59,667 --> 01:23:02,133 I've wondered myself 1679 01:23:02,133 --> 01:23:08,667 why I don't have the death penalty. 1680 01:23:08,667 --> 01:23:11,667 That's what I deserve; I deserve death. 1681 01:23:11,667 --> 01:23:15,066 - What do you think happens after you die? 1682 01:23:15,100 --> 01:23:18,333 - Right. That's the big unknown. 1683 01:23:18,367 --> 01:23:23,133 I've thought of--I've had thoughts of suicide. 1684 01:23:23,166 --> 01:23:30,000 But I just haven't been able to carry them through. 1685 01:23:30,033 --> 01:23:33,000 So I don't know what the future will hold. 1686 01:23:35,033 --> 01:23:38,300 - Mr. Dahmer was the subject of an attack 1687 01:23:38,300 --> 01:23:40,033 at the Columbia Correctional Institution. 1688 01:23:40,033 --> 01:23:42,033 - He was beaten to death in prison yesterday. 1689 01:23:42,033 --> 01:23:44,367 - The slaying ended a life of sadism, serial murder, 1690 01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:47,300 and cannibalism. 1691 01:23:47,300 --> 01:23:50,633 - Dahmer is beaten to death by a fellow inmate. 1692 01:23:50,667 --> 01:23:53,533 Ironically, he's killed by a barbell, 1693 01:23:53,567 --> 01:23:56,700 the same object he'd used on Steven Hicks 1694 01:23:56,700 --> 01:23:59,300 16 years earlier. 1695 01:23:59,300 --> 01:24:02,500 For the first time, Jeffrey's father talks 1696 01:24:02,533 --> 01:24:04,467 about his son's death. 1697 01:24:04,467 --> 01:24:07,734 - How did his death affect me? 1698 01:24:07,734 --> 01:24:11,300 - It-- 1699 01:24:11,333 --> 01:24:14,433 I was brought into a room 1700 01:24:14,467 --> 01:24:17,266 where he was lying 1701 01:24:17,300 --> 01:24:19,467 after being bludgeoned. 1702 01:24:19,500 --> 01:24:24,600 And it struck me so emotionally 1703 01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:30,166 that I touched him and I said, "Oh, Jeff. 1704 01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:32,200 "Jeff. 1705 01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:34,200 Jeff." 1706 01:24:34,233 --> 01:24:39,433 It was extremely emotionally devastating 1707 01:24:39,467 --> 01:24:41,333 just to see him. 1708 01:24:41,367 --> 01:24:44,734 Disregarding all of the horrible things 1709 01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:50,500 that his demented state caused him to do, 1710 01:24:50,533 --> 01:24:56,300 I was at least very, very glad 1711 01:24:56,333 --> 01:25:03,066 that he had done what we believers believe. 1712 01:25:06,100 --> 01:25:08,734 - Lionel said that his son didn't put up a fight 1713 01:25:08,767 --> 01:25:10,467 when he was attacked. 1714 01:25:10,500 --> 01:25:13,333 Well, when I talked to Jeffrey, it was clear 1715 01:25:13,367 --> 01:25:15,734 that he wanted to die. 1716 01:25:15,767 --> 01:25:18,033 He said he even considered suicide. 1717 01:25:18,066 --> 01:25:20,100 But after embracing Christianity, 1718 01:25:20,100 --> 01:25:24,300 he felt that, of all things, would be too great a sin. 1719 01:25:24,333 --> 01:25:26,767 - I love the human beings 1720 01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:29,133 who have been in my life and who may have failed. 1721 01:25:29,133 --> 01:25:30,233 I have failed. 1722 01:25:30,266 --> 01:25:31,767 But the important thing is, 1723 01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:34,667 you love who the true human being is, 1724 01:25:34,700 --> 01:25:38,767 and you take that with you to your grave. 1725 01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,100 - I'm very, very proud that in the end, 1726 01:25:42,133 --> 01:25:45,066 he did everything that was required 1727 01:25:45,100 --> 01:25:47,667 for the initial salvation. 1728 01:25:47,667 --> 01:25:50,667 I believe he's with God. 1729 01:25:50,700 --> 01:25:53,533 He forgave Jeff 1730 01:25:53,567 --> 01:25:57,266 according to what's said in the Scriptures, 1731 01:25:57,266 --> 01:25:59,767 and therefore I forgive Jeff. 1732 01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:04,533 - Originally, I didn't believe in the concept 1733 01:26:04,533 --> 01:26:08,233 of evil, but now I do. 1734 01:26:08,266 --> 01:26:13,133 I'm talking about someone who exhibits 1735 01:26:13,166 --> 01:26:15,567 unbelievable cruelty on others 1736 01:26:15,567 --> 01:26:18,100 simply for their own purposes, 1737 01:26:18,133 --> 01:26:21,233 I think is a pretty good definition of evil. 1738 01:26:21,266 --> 01:26:24,567 And I think it's a pretty good understanding 1739 01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:26,700 of Jeffrey Dahmer. 1740 01:26:26,734 --> 01:26:28,133 - For more about "Dahmer on Dahmer," 1741 01:26:28,166 --> 01:26:30,600 go to Oxygen.com. 124147

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