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A teenager's diary.
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It's not an easy read, is it?
No.
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We have a DNA match
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from the window that you smashed.
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I'd been in there the previous
evening, seen the silverware,
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it was an
utterly shameful thing to do.
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It's finished me.
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She's kicked me out, Jamie,
can I kip at yours for a bit?
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Find a hotel like a normal person!
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You might want to just want
consider something though,
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I know stuff about your boy.
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Eliot Hollis.
He was about to turn 16.
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Two arrests, and one
for stealing his dad's car.
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We should prioritise
Chris Lowe right now.
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He'd used his credit card to visit
child abuse websites.
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Is there anywhere you and Asif
can go and stay
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that Christopher
doesn't know about?
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Your mum, she's now threatened
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to go to the police
with evidence of some wrongdoing
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I've apparently committed.
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He abused me. Mentally, physically,
sometimes even sexually.
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And that's not a violent man?
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Feel like I'm slightly
losing the plot.
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You're just tired,
it makes everything seem worse.
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I wish to apologise to Mr Carr,
and his family,
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we will be seeking prosecution
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for any online activity that seeks
to incite violence against Mr Carr.
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Peter Carr?
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Urgh!
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Over here!
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Well, we all mess up,
we're all fallible,
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we've all done things
of which we are ashamed.
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The trick in life, I think...
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is knowing which things
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we should forgive ourselves for,
and which not.
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Except I'm not sure
it really is that.
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Suspect is a white male,
mid-40s, wearing a navy top
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and a grey baseball cap.
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Last seen walking toward
Burleigh Road,
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witnesses said he had
a knife in his hand. Over.
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I think a part of me wonders
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if I'm just coming to a
natural conclusion here.
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I've been doing this for...28 years?
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There are other things
to do in life.
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Not like this.
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So why did you retire?
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I didn't retire. I was A19-ed.
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In the cutbacks.
Ah.
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The truth is, what I did,
what you still do,
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when you lose it, you realise
what a privilege it was.
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To be able to help people,
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often at the very worst moment
of their lives,
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to find faith in the world again.
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Cos I genuinely believe that's
a big part of what we do.
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Restore a little shape,
a little order,
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a little meaning to the world.
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I mean, not so much on traffic duty,
but, erm...
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And obviously Naked Gun.
Yeah, oh, say, Naked Gun.
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Midnight Run?
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Oh, man, Midnight Run.
Yep. Definitely.
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And Fargo would be on there.
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"You're darn tootin'!"
"OK, hun!"
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His BP and stats are very low now.
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Get me four units of red cells...
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Well, that was a great evening,
thank you.
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I'd really like to do it again
sometime.
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Yeah, me too.
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All right, this is me.
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Well, anyway...
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..good night, then.
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Good night.
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Yes, it went very well,
and no, I didn't snog him.
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Sorry, boss, that's not
what I was ringing about.
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What? Pete Carr.
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He's been attacked
outside his office. Stabbed.
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Oh, no!
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They say he's gonna be OK, but...
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No, no!
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He still had the knife on him
when they nicked him.
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Who was he?
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Some local nutjob.
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Links to far-right groups,
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got geed up by all the
online paedophile stuff.
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So we go after all those...fuckers.
Absolutely.
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She's exaggerating. Tim and I
were out for about 45 minutes,
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and Pete just went down the pub.
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And Chris Lowe?
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I don't know where Chris went,
you'd have to ask him.
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But you accept you were
all out of the house
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at various points between
9pm and midnight?
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Yes.
So why did you lie?
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I would have thought that had
become blindingly obvious.
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I thought there was
a very good chance
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anything I told you
would be leaked,
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and given my best friend is
now in intensive care,
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entirely because of you,
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I think I had pretty
good reason to be nervous.
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Can we move on to your car,
Mr Hollis?
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Which, in fact,
matches exactly the description
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of a car seen driving erratically
at approximately 12:20am
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on the morning that Hayley
went missing.
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And how many dark saloons
with trailer bars
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would there be in the Hardy area?
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We didn't ask your opinion,
Miss Gray.
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Although she's right.
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But I suspect even my ex-wife
will confirm I was in the house
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in bed at 12:20am.
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How old was your son...
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..that New Year's Eve, James?
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How old was Eliot?
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15.
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Actually, only a few weeks off 16,
I believe.
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And sadly, quite a
troubled young man, it seems.
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Already arrested twice,
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for possession of cannabis,
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once for ecstasy,
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and just one month before
New Year's Eve 1999,
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for stealing his dad's car and
driving it whilst drunk.
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Which is why I have to ask you,
James...
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..did Eliot take your car
that night?
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No.
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Maybe he came across Hayley,
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maybe hitch-hiking somewhere,
picked her up?
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Something happened between them,
something went wrong...
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Eliot's never hurt a fly.
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Maybe it was an accident.
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The car was seen to be driving
erratically.
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Maybe he was drunk, maybe he knocked
her down, it was a dark, wet night.
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But in either instance,
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you found out.
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And agreed to drive the body
back up to London
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to obscure your son's involvement.
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The idea that I would
drive the dead body
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of a young girl my son had
killed, to London,
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is...
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as absurd as it is abhorrent.
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Then can we ask you why,
when we first interviewed you,
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you referred to your son
as a "little boy"?
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A turn of phrase.
Really?
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We think it was deliberate.
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We think that you didn't want us
to even consider the idea
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that there was effectively another
adult in the house that night.
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I don't want my client
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answering any more questions
about his son.
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So unless you have any
actual evidence,
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rather than shot-in-the-dark
theories, I think we're done here.
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OK.
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Henry.
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We spoke to Maria.
Pete's conscious and talking.
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Stay strong, fella, stay strong.
Yeah, you too.
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It was stupid, and I apologise.
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A case of misguided loyalty.
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Misguided loyalty to who?
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Jamie.
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He rang us all after he'd first
been interviewed by you,
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and he said he told you that
we all stayed in that night.
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The inference I took was that
we should all say the same.
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Why do you think
he wanted you to lie?
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At first I thought it was
because of his profile
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that he didn't want the press
latching onto him.
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And, yeah, I was happy
to go along with that,
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because I didn't for a
nanosecond believe there was any...
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..darker motive.
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Except then yesterday Pete rang me.
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Pete Carr.
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And he told me something
about Jamie's son.
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Told you what?
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He said he'd seen Eliot
climbing into the house
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through a first-floor window
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at around two in the morning
on New Year's Day.
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OK, so where are we
with Eliot Hollis?
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Still looking for him.
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But for what it's worth,
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I just pulled this off an
online employment site
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which he signed up to in 2007,
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when he was living in the
States with his dad.
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It details holiday work on a
building site in the UK, so...
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OK. Let's check James Hollis's car,
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the BMW, I wanna see
its service history.
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Maybe speak to the ex again,
check their bank statements,
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insurance companies.
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I want to know if the car
had any bodywork repairs done
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in the months immediately
after Hayley died.
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I just wanna say I'm sorry, Pete.
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I was angry, and...shocked...
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..but I also know in my heart
you're a good man.
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Yeah, you've done some silly things,
we both know that, but...
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..you're a good man.
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And I want you to hear
that I know that.
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Basically, I think Hayley
used a sort of code,
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in her diary,
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I'm guessing
for if her mum read it,
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so she wouldn't know what
she was referring to.
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So, first up,
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when she has sex,
I think she calls it "tea".
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And then, and I think this is
actually more important,
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when she says she had some cake, I
think she's saying she took drugs.
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So this is just a small selection
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of the times these words appear,
but you can see a clear pattern.
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"Great cake at Marly's, then
went shopping, a very nice trip."
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"Went clubbing in Portsmouth,
ate cake, up till six."
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"Had tea and cake with Ade,
his birthday present to me,
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"just what I always wanted."
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The reason I think
this is significant
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is this reference here.
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This is dated two days
before she disappeared.
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And here, she says,
"G's gonna get us some cake
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"for the New Year party."
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I think this is why
she left work earlier,
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I think G's is where she was going.
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Dealer, maybe? Or friend
who was selling her some gear.
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Erm...
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I mean, it might explain
how she could have been
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in the vicinity of the Spinney,
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which from the pub, is the
opposite direction to the party.
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Nice work, Fran.
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OK, can we liaise with
Hampshire Police
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on local drug dealers,
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then and now?
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But really good work, Fran.
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Thanks, guys.
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Shall we?
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Miller, hi, it's me.
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Erm...I'm sorry I haven't
rung before,
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but I just needed some time
on my own to think things through.
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And I wanted to say...
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..don't believe what you might
hear about me from the police.
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I'm not a bad man.
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I made some mistakes
but I'm not a bad man.
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So, why did you lie, Christopher?
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I lied, erm...because from the
moment Hayley Reid went missing
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I sort of believed
that at some point
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someone would knock on my door
wanting to blame me.
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Which...I believed for
a number of reasons.
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None of which include me having
anything to do with her death.
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Erm...in late December 1999...
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..I was in a bad way, mentally.
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I was in the manic phase,
I know now, of a bipolar episode.
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Exacerbated by over-work,
and by a personal event
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that had...
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profoundly traumatised me.
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And on New Year's Eve,
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in addition to me idiotically
taking some cocaine,
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it overwhelmed me.
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And I became very unwell.
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I think I ended up leaving the
house, and just, just walking,
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eh, I dunno where,
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for a couple of hours.
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And then finally, when I returned,
I was exhausted
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and I fell asleep
almost immediately,
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and then the next day...
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..news started to filter through
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about this missing local girl,
and...
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..because of this personal thing
that had happened,
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and I suppose to a degree because
of my poor mental health,
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I became...obsessed that the
police would come for me,
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that a knock on the door
was imminent.
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But it-it-it didn't actually come.
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Not that day, nor the next, or the
day after. It didn't come.
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But, erm...I never stopped
waiting for it.
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So, when you finally showed up,
DCI Stuart,
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in my head I went straight
back to those first days
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after Hayley Reid went missing,
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I felt the same fear,
the same panic,
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and yeah, I lied.
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I lied about where I was that night.
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That is all that I lied about,
because I swear, I-I...
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I didn't hurt Hayley Reid.
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I never even met her.
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And this event, that fed
into your paranoia...
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..what was that?
272
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Yeah, so, uh...
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On October 12th 1999 I was
arrested for credit card payments
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to online child sex abuse sites.
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The card was a business one, which
meant I was arrested at the office,
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and the police told my
business partner, Helen,
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because I sometimes visited
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commercial shoots
involving children.
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She then told the board,
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and in January 2000,
she told my wife.
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Two months later, when I was
charged, the board sacked me.
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Then my wife filed for divorce.
283
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So, within four months
of my arrest...
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..yeah, I lost, erm...
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I lost everything.
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Everything I loved.
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My wife, Laura, and my career.
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My...
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My beautiful daughter.
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Yeah. Yeah, my life just
pretty much collapsed.
291
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But here's the thing,
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it wasn't me.
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The credit card payments,
I didn't make them.
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My life had been ruined, and
I was completely, 100% innocent.
295
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And do you happen to remember
who packed the trailer?
296
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Jesus! You don't think...?
Do you?
297
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I always used to pack the bags,
and...
298
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James always used to put them
in the trailer.
299
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OK. And your car, a BMW 3 series,
I believe?
300
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Yeah. Do you recall if it sustained
any damage over that break?
301
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You think it was a car accident?
Do you?
302
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Mrs Hollis?
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He said he'd hit a deer.
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Your husband?
Yes, my husband. Who else?
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Why don't you take a look at these
photos, and this floor plan...
306
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..and tell me if you can remember
which bedroom
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you and your husband slept in,
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which bedroom your friends slept in,
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and which your son.
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No.
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My card details, like those
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of hundreds of other
completely innocent people
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were cloned.
314
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Of course, I protested my innocence,
I told them, "This is crazy.
315
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"I've never visited these sites,
it's absurd, a mistake."
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But I was charged.
317
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And then...
318
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..then suddenly I was living alone
in a depressing flat in Acton.
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And my trial date had not been set.
320
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I managed to salvage some money from
my separation, and I found a lawyer,
321
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and we hired a team of investigators
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to prove that the sites paid for
were never actually visited,
323
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they proved that when
the payments were made,
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allegedly from my work computer,
I was abroad.
325
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And so in 2003, finally,
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the charges were dropped
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and I was granted a
record deletion application
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in 2004.
329
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By this time Laura had remarried,
330
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and I hadn't seen her,
331
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or been allowed to see my daughter,
for three years.
332
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I was living in shelters,
or on the streets,
333
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without access to
the medication I needed.
334
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The idea of just turning up,
335
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and persuading them I hadn't
somehow bought my innocence...
336
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..yeah, that was beyond me.
337
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So I had to try and begin to accept
what had happened to me,
338
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this awful injustice,
339
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this catastrophic unfairness.
340
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To try...to try and...
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rebuild a life.
342
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You know, which sounds simpler
than it actually was,
343
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because I was homeless,
344
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in and out of temporary
accommodation for six more years...
345
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..before Tim...
346
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..my friend, Tim,
347
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he finally tracked me down,
348
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bought me my first van, in 2010,
349
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then I began to live again,
rather than just exist.
350
00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,960
Then one week ago, you turn up, and
ask a man who has lost everything,
351
00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,960
through, what, just simple bad luck,
352
00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,960
someone...someone who knows
what can happen,
353
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and you ask him where
he was that night.
354
00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:20,800
Yeah, so, that's why I lied.
355
00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:22,960
That.
356
00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,960
(That.)
357
00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,640
James Hollis's ex remembers
his son slept in a box room.
358
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The only box room in the house
359
00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,960
has a window that goes out
onto a flat roof.
360
00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,960
Which supports Tim Finch's claim
361
00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:37,960
that Pete Carr saw him
seen climbing in at 2am.
362
00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,480
Exactly.
363
00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,960
Yeah.
364
00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,320
Jake Collier.
365
00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,960
She's in an interview at the moment,
can I pass on a message?
366
00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,960
Hello, is it Maria?
367
00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,960
Yeah.
368
00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,960
Sorry, I was just having
a quick nap.
369
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I'm Dr Walsh. I'm one of the doctors
who's been looking after Peter.
370
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,960
Oh, right. Yes. How's he doing?
371
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,640
(Shit.)
372
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,800
D'you believe him?
I dunno.
373
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:21,960
Maybe.
374
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,960
You speak to the legal firm,
375
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,960
I'll try and track down the
unit that investigated him. OK.
376
00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,960
Guv?
377
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,960
King's Lynn nick just rang.
Peter Carr's died.
378
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:33,960
Heart attack.
379
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,960
'Please leave your message
after the tone.'
380
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,960
Mrs Carr, it's DCI Cassie Stuart.
381
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,960
I just wanted to ring
and say...how..
382
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,960
..desperately sad I was...
383
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,960
..to hear about your
husband's death.
384
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,960
DCI Stuart? DCI Stuart,
have you got anything to say?
385
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,960
What will you say to his family?
386
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:37,960
D'you blame yourself, DCI Stuart?
387
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,960
'..and as his wife comforts
their two young sons tonight,
388
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,960
'I think the death of Mr Carr raises
a number of important questions.
389
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,960
'Firstly, what new laws, if any,
do we need,
390
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,960
'in order to better restrict
391
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,960
'the sort of hateful
social media campaign
392
00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,160
'that undoubtedly contributed
towards his murder?
393
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,960
'And secondly, I think we need
to ask how problematic it is
394
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,960
'that such major
criminal investigations
395
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,960
'as this one, are increasingly being
held under such a public gaze.
396
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,960
'With police so far
refusing to confirm
397
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,480
'whether Peter Carr
remained a suspect,
398
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,960
'the parents of Hayley Reid
must be asking themselves
399
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,960
'the most painful question.
400
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,960
'Has the killer of
their beloved daughter
401
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:32,000
'taken the secret of her
final moments to his grave?
402
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,960
'This is Rohit Katru,
outside Bishop's -'
403
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,960
Hey.
404
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,960
I just went out to grab a bag.
I didn't forget to turn it off.
405
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,960
Dad -
I just want to say that I've been...
406
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,320
..thinking about what we were
discussing the other day.
407
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,960
And I am genuinely sorry about
what you are going through.
408
00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:01,960
I'm fine.
The problems at work
409
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,800
or whatever it is personally.
410
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,960
My personal life is fine, too.
411
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,480
Of course...I'll always be there,
you know?
412
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,320
To give you whatever I can,
413
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:12,960
whenever you need it.
414
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,960
Wow. Well, thank you so much.
415
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,800
It's just that, erm...
416
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,800
..well, at the moment I think it
would be better for both of us
417
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,960
if I were to give you
a bit of space.
418
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,320
So I think it's best if I
move in with Jenny for a bit.
419
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:26,960
All right.
420
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,960
Anyway...
421
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,160
it'll be a rehearsal for us,
you know?
422
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,000
"Rehearsal."
423
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,160
I asked her last night
if she'd marry me.
424
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:38,960
She said she would.
425
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,960
So, we'll probably...
426
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,960
buy somewhere together, next year.
427
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,480
Sorry, you mean, like,
move in together? Cos you can't...
428
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:47,960
you can't buy somewhere together,
can you?
429
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,960
Cos you're the only one
with any money.
430
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,960
I never thought that
we'd fall out about money.
431
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,960
I'll give you a call tomorrow.
432
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,960
I love you, sweetheart.
433
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:10,960
Yeah!
434
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,960
I miss...us...
435
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,640
as a family.
436
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,960
I miss us all being together.
437
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,640
I miss you.
438
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,800
And I missed you, Aisha.
439
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:27,960
When you left for your soulmate.
440
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,960
D'you remember?
441
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,960
The girls missed you so much.
442
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:35,960
And I'm so sorry for that.
443
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,320
For all the mistakes I made,
which I want to put right.
444
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:40,960
Now!
445
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,960
It's too late. We've moved on.
446
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,800
I've moved on.
447
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:47,960
Then...
448
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,160
you...love her, do you,
449
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:51,960
this...Sal?
450
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:52,960
Yes, I do.
451
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,000
And the girls, I mean...
452
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,000
Surely we owe it to them
to ask what they'd like?
453
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,960
"We"?
454
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,960
Surely you can't deny them that.
I mean, if they want it,
455
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,160
the chance for us all
to be together again.
456
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,960
A proper family.
457
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,960
You always said
the girls came first.
458
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,960
But I never meant for anyone
to actually DO anything!
459
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,160
OK.
460
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,960
Can I read what your last post said?
461
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,960
"For too long, paedophiles,
rapists and murderers
462
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,640
"have been treated as if
they were the victims.
463
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,960
"but enough is enough.
464
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,960
"If the government won't bring back
the death penalty for such crimes,
465
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,960
"perhaps it's time for honest,
law-abiding citizens,
466
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,960
"to take matters into
their own hands."
467
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,960
And then you've put a picture of
Peter Carr
468
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,480
with his work address,
under the headline, "Monster".
469
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,960
But I never said to anyone
to kill him!
470
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,640
So when you said it was time
471
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,960
for people to take matters
into their own hands,
472
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,480
what did you mean, exactly?
473
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,960
I just wanted a job.
474
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,960
I'm 27, and I have
a degree in journalism
475
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,000
that's cost me the
best part of 50 grand.
476
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,640
And I have never
477
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,960
had proper paid work
in my chosen field,
478
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,960
despite having written hundreds
of job applications.
479
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,960
So I was just trying to...shock.
480
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,960
Cos...that's what you need
to do these days.
481
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,800
Otherwise no-one hears you,
no-one listens.
482
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,960
And if no-one listens, what are you?
483
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:39,960
You're no-one.
484
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,960
In terms of the IPCC
it's a mandatory referral.
485
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,000
I don't really have any choice.
486
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,320
And the case?
487
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,960
The Reid family have reiterated
their faith in you.
488
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,960
For now, the case remains yours.
489
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,320
Thank you.
490
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,960
Oh, just ask the actual
fucking question, Em, please.
491
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,960
Look, I've got ten minutes
before I'm due back,
492
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,160
and I really don't have time for
endless, dreary euphemisms.
493
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,960
You don't have to get so unpleasant,
Dad. Oh, you think?
494
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,000
It's just that, as your father,
495
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,960
I thought you might
already know the answer.
496
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,960
I'm sorry.
497
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,960
I'm very stressed by all of this.
498
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,960
But, no.
499
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,960
I never hit your mum.
500
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,960
Apologies, but I...
have a two o'clock.
501
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,960
And for the avoidance of any doubt,
502
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,640
I'm not a psychopathic murderer,
either.
503
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,960
Just pull the door to,
when you leave.
504
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,160
Love you.
505
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,960
Els?
506
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,960
If you don't tell me the truth,
Eliot,
507
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,160
I can't continue to protect you.
Like you have for the past 32 years?
508
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,960
Protect me from what? Have you had
a good look at me recently, Dad?
509
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,640
Prison. And I will happily do that.
510
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,960
I will lie for you,
and say I was driving that night.
511
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:50,960
But you have to tell me the truth.
512
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,960
I've already told you
a million times.
513
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,480
I don't think so.
514
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,960
Yes, I have. I was driving,
I hit something, I don't know what.
515
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,960
I went out to look for it and
couldn't find anything. That's it.
516
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:01,960
No. Yes! Because you actually
went back that night.
517
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,800
I what?!
I think you actually found her,
518
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:05,640
and then you hid her,
519
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,960
and then you went back to get
her a few nights later.
520
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,960
What the fuck are you talking about?
Tell me the truth, please, Eliot!
521
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,160
It's been 18 years, I need to hear
it, now, I need to hear the truth!
522
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,960
Where was she found?
Oh, you KNOW where she was found!
523
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,960
I don't! I've been using
since you first called me!
524
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,640
Where was she found?
525
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,960
Tell me, where was she found?!
She was buried in London.
526
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:38,960
What?
527
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:42,960
(No.)
528
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:43,960
What?
529
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,960
Come on!
530
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:01,960
Good boy!
531
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,960
Wooh!
532
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,960
Boss.
Yep.
533
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,960
Uh, so, just got off the phone
to Eastleigh nick,
534
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,960
which is the nearest one
to Middenham,
535
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,960
so they've identified our 'G'
as local drug dealer,
536
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:26,960
nickname 'Gandalf',
537
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,320
real name, Nigel Farndale.
538
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,960
He's got a 30-year record
of drug offences, so they're gonna
539
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,960
pull him up and bring him
straight in. OK. Thank you.
540
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,960
James Hollis is downstairs,
with his son.
541
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,000
For the past 18 years
542
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,960
I have believed that my son
killed Hayley Reid.
543
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,640
Because he did steal my car,
he was drunk,
544
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,960
and when he got back home
at two in the morning
545
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,960
and I found him in his room
in a terrible state,
546
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,160
he told me that he'd hit something.
547
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,960
He said that he'd got out
to see what it was,
548
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,960
but couldn't find anything.
549
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,160
And although his gut instinct told
him that it was just an animal...
550
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,480
..he was also very scared...
551
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,640
..that it might be a person.
552
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,960
Which fear grew, when the next day
553
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,960
news that Hayley Reid was missing
started to filter through.
554
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,960
And the fact they couldn't find her
555
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,800
also, uh...fitted
556
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,960
because the road he was on
557
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,960
was next to the river
558
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,960
which had burst its banks
following the heavy rain.
559
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,960
Meaning we had to consider
560
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,640
the awful possibility...
561
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,960
..that she had been knocked into the
water, washed down the river,
562
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:58,960
and out to sea.
563
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,960
And for 18 years
564
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,000
he and I have hidden that, uh...
565
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,960
dreadful secret,
and I'm so, so sorry for that.
566
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,960
And then she was found.
567
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,000
The nightmare should have been over.
Except...
568
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,000
..instead of finally
569
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,960
believing that he was innocent...
570
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,960
..I started to believe that
not only had he hit her,
571
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,960
but he'd actually found her,
572
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,960
and hidden her
573
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,000
to drive back down a few days later,
574
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,640
retrieve the body...
and bury it in London.
575
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,480
Oh, it, erm...
576
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,960
might seem a terrible thing
to believe about your son.
577
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,960
But...
578
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,960
18 years of this...
579
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,960
toxic secret between us, and...
580
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,960
..seeing the consequences of that in
everything my son has become...
581
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,000
..has made my judgement bad.
582
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,960
And how do you know he didn't do
exactly what you've described?
583
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,960
Because when I finally found him,
just a few hours ago,
584
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:18,960
and talked to him properly
585
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,960
for the first time since
Hayley had been found...
586
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,960
he reminded me that we
drove back early on the 2nd,
587
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,960
to put him on a
flight to Switzerland
588
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,960
for a school skiing trip.
589
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,000
He was away for ten days.
There will be school records.
590
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,960
He could have driven back
down there once he got back.
591
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,960
By which time the police
and half the world's press
592
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,960
were in Middenham,
so I don't think so.
593
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,960
But, listen, we're not
hiding anymore.
594
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,960
He's here, to answer your questions.
So ask him.
595
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,960
But...
596
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,000
I think he did just hit a deer
that night.
597
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,960
And by me...enabling him
598
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,960
to not face up to his
responsibilities...
599
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,160
..I've messed up his whole life.
600
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,000
For absolutely no reason at all.
601
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,960
So, I'm gonna stay
in the van tonight,
602
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,960
because I want you to have
the time you need,
603
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,960
you know, to absorb everything.
604
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,960
And when might the police know,
do you think...
605
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:42,960
..that you're not a suspect anymore?
606
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:45,960
I don't know.
607
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,960
But if it's worth me saying
one more time,
608
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,480
you know, it wasn't me.
609
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,960
Not Hayley Reid, not the
credit card stuff, not anything.
610
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,960
And sometimes...
611
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,960
we have to, you must know this,
612
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,960
we have to accept that...
613
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,960
..that life can be just random,
614
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,800
and cruel,
615
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,320
before being,
in the blink of an eye,
616
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,480
just as randomly wonderful.
617
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,640
Eliot?
618
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:44,960
D'you wanna fuck off, Dad?
619
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,960
He's right, I'm afraid.
620
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,960
Within five days
of her disappearance
621
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:00,960
Middenham was crawling with police,
622
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,960
there were search parties,
choppers with cameras, road blocks,
623
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,960
if she was murdered in Middenham,
624
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,960
it was always my belief she had to
have been moved within a day or so.
625
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:12,960
Sorry.
626
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,960
They're looking at
their records now,
627
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,960
but the teacher I spoke to
remembers the skiing trip well
628
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,960
and remembers Eliot being on it,
629
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,960
because he was such
a pain in the arse.
630
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,640
Right.
631
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,960
And Nigel Farndale's here.
632
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,160
Thanks.
633
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,960
Did you talk to the son?
Uh, briefly.
634
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,960
And?
My sense was
635
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,960
he is telling the truth.
636
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,960
So for now we're
letting them both go.
637
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,960
I better speak to
this Farndale bloke.
638
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,960
Yeah, I better push off.
No, thank you for coming in.
639
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,320
No worries.
640
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,160
Uh, look, I'm probably gonna head
back down to Hampshire tomorrow,
641
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,960
so...
Right.
642
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,160
But, erm...can I call you?
643
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,960
I don't know if this is a good idea,
right now, John.
644
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,960
I've just got so much...
645
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,960
..c-crap on, right now,
that I need to sort out.
646
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,960
And...I'm not sure starting, uh...
647
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,960
It wouldn't be fair on you.
648
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,960
Sorry.
649
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,320
I'll call you, then.
650
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,960
I mean, we all lived together
for 10, 11 years, Mum,
651
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,960
we never saw him
do anything like...
652
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,000
You know, the photos, were they even
you, or was it make-up, or...?
653
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,960
I dunno.
654
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,960
Help me out here,
cos I'm struggling.
655
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,480
Well...
656
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,960
you're not struggling, Em,
or you wouldn't be here.
657
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,960
You wouldn't have driven five hours
just to ask!
658
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,960
Listen, I know I shouldn't
have asked for the money,
659
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,960
it was stupid, but it was the
first time in nearly 30 years
660
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,960
I felt like I had the upper hand.
661
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:32,960
And I got a little giddy.
662
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,960
Although...
663
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,000
..for what it's worth,
he never did pay the settlement.
664
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,800
These are the letters
from my lawyer to his.
665
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,960
I instructed mine
to stop fighting in 2005,
666
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,320
after your father put his hands
around my neck, at our old house,
667
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,960
and threatened to kill me.
668
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:04,960
Of course you and Clare never saw
stuff, I did everything I could
669
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,960
to keep it from you both.
670
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,960
As did he.
671
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,960
For different reasons, obviously.
672
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,960
But that takes its toll,
673
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,960
sweetheart, living that lie.
674
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,960
To keep smiling, as you told me
about all your fun times with him.
675
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,960
The lovely holidays with him.
676
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,960
When I knew...what he really was.
677
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,160
It took its toll on me,
678
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,960
and in turn, my problems
served his deception well.
679
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,960
The photos were genuine, my love.
680
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,960
And you're here now
because some part of you,
681
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,960
some subconscious part,
682
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,960
has always known that
something was wrong.
683
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,960
And it gives me no pleasure at all
684
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,960
to tell you that you are right.
685
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,960
Yes, she came to my house
that night.
686
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,480
Mm-hm. And that was to buy?
687
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,960
In 2000, it would have been E's,
I'd imagine.
688
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,000
You didn't think to mention this
to the police at the time?
689
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,960
I had a house full of gear!
690
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,960
I knew I hadn't done anything wrong,
so...
691
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,960
But, yeah, I'm sorry. I should have.
692
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,960
Do you remember what time
she arrived?
693
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,960
Would have been about...
twenty past eleven.
694
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,960
How do you remember so specifically?
695
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,960
Cos we chatted a bit, maybe
ten minutes, then we left together.
696
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,960
I went to a party in Alcross, which
is about half an hour aways,
697
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,960
and I remember I got there
just as Big Ben was chiming.
698
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,960
And when she left, did she say
where she was going?
699
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,960
She said straight to her party.
700
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,960
Erm, can you...
701
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:01,320
show me where you were living,
in 1999?
702
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,960
So, if what he's saying is true,
703
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,960
then to get from the Farndales
to the party house,
704
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,800
there's absolutely no reason
for her to be passing the church.
705
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,960
Or where Eliot Hollis was
spotted driving the car.
706
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,960
Which would seem to suggest
James Hollis
707
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,960
is telling the truth,
708
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,320
as was Peter Carr.
709
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:25,960
Yeah.
710
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,960
As she walked from here to here,
711
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:29,960
if she encountered anyone,
712
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,960
the more likely it would be
Chris Lowe or Tim Finch.
713
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,960
And I've just come off the phone
to West End Central,
714
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,960
who have detailed records of the
credit card investigation into Lowe,
715
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,640
which they themselves now admit,
716
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:43,960
with hindsight,
717
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,960
was flawed.
718
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,960
So he didn't just hire good lawyers?
719
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,960
On balance, they think not.
720
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,960
They think he should never
have been charged.
721
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,320
That doesn't mean we eliminate him
as a suspect, of course,
722
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,320
but for now, I think we should
concentrate our fire elsewhere.
723
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,160
And some, erm,
slightly better news here.
724
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,960
Yesterday we got in touch with DVLA
to see if any of our
725
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,480
four main suspects
had any endorsements
726
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,960
for the days after New Year.
727
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,160
And my thinking was,
728
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,960
you have a dead body in your boot,
729
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,960
you might be driving
a little faster than normal.
730
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,960
So here is a copy of Tim Finch's
driving license endorsements,
731
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,480
going back 35 years.
732
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,160
There's four speeding offences
on there, which is kinda normal.
733
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,960
Except for the date
of the second one.
734
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,640
Shit!
735
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,960
The 3rd of January, 2000.
736
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,480
That's the day after
he got back to London.
737
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,160
D'you know where he got it?
Not yet.
738
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:44,960
They're gonna get back to us.
739
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,960
But that...is a tickle.
740
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,960
That's definitely a tickle.
741
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,960
DI Khan.
'Have you got a pen?'
742
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,960
Yes, yes, I have, yep.
743
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,160
'6:20am, A405 South.'
744
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,960
That is so helpful,
thank you so much.
745
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,960
Ticket was issued at 6:20am
on the A405. Which is where?
746
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,960
Six miles outside of Middenham.
747
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,320
Was he heading to, or from?
748
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:12,960
From.
749
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,960
Timothy Finch, I'm arresting you
on suspicion of the murder
750
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:33,960
of Hayley Reid.
751
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,960
You do not have to say anything,
752
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,960
but it may harm your defence
if you do not mention now
753
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,960
something you later
rely on in court.
754
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,320
As you're being arrested, we have
authority to search your premises
755
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,960
under Section 32 of the
Police And Criminal Evidence Act.
756
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,000
Would you like to get dressed,
please?
757
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,960
Why were you on the road
out of Middenham,
758
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,960
heading to London,
759
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,960
at...6:20am,
760
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,960
the day after
you'd returned to London?
761
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,960
I'd left my laptop in the house
and drove back down to pick it up.
762
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,960
I left very early because
I wanted to be back in time
763
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:49,960
for morning surgery.
764
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,960
And you'd arranged this
with the lettings agency?
765
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,800
Yes.
They've made no mention of that.
766
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,320
Well, what d'you want me to say?
I arranged it.
767
00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:01,960
Who'd you speak to?
768
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:02,960
I don't remember, it's...
769
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,960
nearly 20 years ago, erm...
770
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,960
a bloke, I think.
771
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,960
And, what, he took you round there,
did he?
772
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,640
At 6am?
773
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,960
No, he left the key,
under a flowerpot.
774
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,960
Apparently the house was vacant
that week,
775
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,960
and he said to just let myself in.
776
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,960
So why were you speeding?
777
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,960
It had taken longer that
I thought to get down there.
778
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,960
I was running late.
779
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,960
For the purposes of the interview,
DC Collier has entered the room.
780
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,960
Sorry to interrupt, Ma'am.
Can I have a quick word?
781
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,800
Excuse me.
782
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,960
Interview suspended at 8:31.
783
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,960
In his cellar, behind
a thousand boxes of junk,
784
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,960
we found one of those old, like,
money box type things.
785
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,960
And when we got it open,
we found these.
786
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,960
A necklace, with hair
still attached to the clasp,
787
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,960
a scrunchie...
788
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:01,960
..and a pair of knickers.
59995
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