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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,960 A teenager's diary. 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:05,960 It's not an easy read, is it? No. 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,160 We have a DNA match 4 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:08,960 from the window that you smashed. 5 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,800 I'd been in there the previous evening, seen the silverware, 6 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,960 it was an utterly shameful thing to do. 7 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:14,960 It's finished me. 8 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,960 She's kicked me out, Jamie, can I kip at yours for a bit? 9 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:19,960 Find a hotel like a normal person! 10 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:21,960 You might want to just want consider something though, 11 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:22,960 I know stuff about your boy. 12 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,160 Eliot Hollis. He was about to turn 16. 13 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,960 Two arrests, and one for stealing his dad's car. 14 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,960 We should prioritise Chris Lowe right now. 15 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,960 He'd used his credit card to visit child abuse websites. 16 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,800 Is there anywhere you and Asif can go and stay 17 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:37,960 that Christopher doesn't know about? 18 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:39,800 Your mum, she's now threatened 19 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,960 to go to the police with evidence of some wrongdoing 20 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:43,960 I've apparently committed. 21 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,960 He abused me. Mentally, physically, sometimes even sexually. 22 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,960 And that's not a violent man? 23 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,160 Feel like I'm slightly losing the plot. 24 00:00:52,160 --> 00:00:54,960 You're just tired, it makes everything seem worse. 25 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:56,960 I wish to apologise to Mr Carr, and his family, 26 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:58,960 we will be seeking prosecution 27 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:04,160 for any online activity that seeks to incite violence against Mr Carr. 28 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:05,960 Peter Carr? 29 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:07,960 Urgh! 30 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,960 Over here! 31 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:07,960 Well, we all mess up, we're all fallible, 32 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,960 we've all done things of which we are ashamed. 33 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,960 The trick in life, I think... 34 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,000 is knowing which things 35 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,960 we should forgive ourselves for, and which not. 36 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,960 Except I'm not sure it really is that. 37 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,320 Suspect is a white male, mid-40s, wearing a navy top 38 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:24,960 and a grey baseball cap. 39 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:26,960 Last seen walking toward Burleigh Road, 40 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:28,960 witnesses said he had a knife in his hand. Over. 41 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,960 I think a part of me wonders 42 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,960 if I'm just coming to a natural conclusion here. 43 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,960 I've been doing this for...28 years? 44 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,960 There are other things to do in life. 45 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:43,960 Not like this. 46 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,800 So why did you retire? 47 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,960 I didn't retire. I was A19-ed. 48 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,960 In the cutbacks. Ah. 49 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,960 The truth is, what I did, what you still do, 50 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,960 when you lose it, you realise what a privilege it was. 51 00:02:58,960 --> 00:02:59,960 To be able to help people, 52 00:02:59,960 --> 00:03:01,960 often at the very worst moment of their lives, 53 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,960 to find faith in the world again. 54 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:07,960 Cos I genuinely believe that's a big part of what we do. 55 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,960 Restore a little shape, a little order, 56 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:12,960 a little meaning to the world. 57 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,960 I mean, not so much on traffic duty, but, erm... 58 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,480 And obviously Naked Gun. Yeah, oh, say, Naked Gun. 59 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:27,960 Midnight Run? 60 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,960 Oh, man, Midnight Run. Yep. Definitely. 61 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,160 And Fargo would be on there. 62 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,480 "You're darn tootin'!" "OK, hun!" 63 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,960 His BP and stats are very low now. 64 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:39,960 Get me four units of red cells... 65 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,960 Well, that was a great evening, thank you. 66 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,960 I'd really like to do it again sometime. 67 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:49,960 Yeah, me too. 68 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,640 All right, this is me. 69 00:03:59,960 --> 00:04:00,960 Well, anyway... 70 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,960 ..good night, then. 71 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:08,960 Good night. 72 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,960 Yes, it went very well, and no, I didn't snog him. 73 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:20,960 Sorry, boss, that's not what I was ringing about. 74 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:22,960 What? Pete Carr. 75 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,960 He's been attacked outside his office. Stabbed. 76 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,480 Oh, no! 77 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:30,960 They say he's gonna be OK, but... 78 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:33,960 No, no! 79 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,960 He still had the knife on him when they nicked him. 80 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:50,960 Who was he? 81 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:52,960 Some local nutjob. 82 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:53,960 Links to far-right groups, 83 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,960 got geed up by all the online paedophile stuff. 84 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,960 So we go after all those...fuckers. Absolutely. 85 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,480 She's exaggerating. Tim and I were out for about 45 minutes, 86 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:16,960 and Pete just went down the pub. 87 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:17,960 And Chris Lowe? 88 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:19,960 I don't know where Chris went, you'd have to ask him. 89 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,960 But you accept you were all out of the house 90 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,960 at various points between 9pm and midnight? 91 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,960 Yes. So why did you lie? 92 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,480 I would have thought that had become blindingly obvious. 93 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:31,960 I thought there was a very good chance 94 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:33,960 anything I told you would be leaked, 95 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,320 and given my best friend is now in intensive care, 96 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:37,960 entirely because of you, 97 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:39,960 I think I had pretty good reason to be nervous. 98 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,160 Can we move on to your car, Mr Hollis? 99 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,960 Which, in fact, matches exactly the description 100 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,960 of a car seen driving erratically at approximately 12:20am 101 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,960 on the morning that Hayley went missing. 102 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,960 And how many dark saloons with trailer bars 103 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:58,960 would there be in the Hardy area? 104 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:00,960 We didn't ask your opinion, Miss Gray. 105 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:01,960 Although she's right. 106 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,960 But I suspect even my ex-wife will confirm I was in the house 107 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,960 in bed at 12:20am. 108 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,960 How old was your son... 109 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,960 ..that New Year's Eve, James? 110 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:20,000 How old was Eliot? 111 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,960 15. 112 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,960 Actually, only a few weeks off 16, I believe. 113 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,960 And sadly, quite a troubled young man, it seems. 114 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:33,960 Already arrested twice, 115 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:35,960 for possession of cannabis, 116 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:37,960 once for ecstasy, 117 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,960 and just one month before New Year's Eve 1999, 118 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,960 for stealing his dad's car and driving it whilst drunk. 119 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,480 Which is why I have to ask you, James... 120 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,960 ..did Eliot take your car that night? 121 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:51,960 No. 122 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,960 Maybe he came across Hayley, 123 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,960 maybe hitch-hiking somewhere, picked her up? 124 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,960 Something happened between them, something went wrong... 125 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:01,960 Eliot's never hurt a fly. 126 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:03,960 Maybe it was an accident. 127 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:05,960 The car was seen to be driving erratically. 128 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,320 Maybe he was drunk, maybe he knocked her down, it was a dark, wet night. 129 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,320 But in either instance, 130 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:12,960 you found out. 131 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:14,960 And agreed to drive the body back up to London 132 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,160 to obscure your son's involvement. 133 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,800 The idea that I would drive the dead body 134 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,960 of a young girl my son had killed, to London, 135 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,960 is... 136 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,640 as absurd as it is abhorrent. 137 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,960 Then can we ask you why, when we first interviewed you, 138 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,960 you referred to your son as a "little boy"? 139 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,640 A turn of phrase. Really? 140 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:37,960 We think it was deliberate. 141 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,960 We think that you didn't want us to even consider the idea 142 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,960 that there was effectively another adult in the house that night. 143 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:44,960 I don't want my client 144 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,160 answering any more questions about his son. 145 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,960 So unless you have any actual evidence, 146 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,320 rather than shot-in-the-dark theories, I think we're done here. 147 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:55,800 OK. 148 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:02,480 Henry. 149 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:08,160 We spoke to Maria. Pete's conscious and talking. 150 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,000 Stay strong, fella, stay strong. Yeah, you too. 151 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,480 It was stupid, and I apologise. 152 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,960 A case of misguided loyalty. 153 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,960 Misguided loyalty to who? 154 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,960 Jamie. 155 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,960 He rang us all after he'd first been interviewed by you, 156 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,960 and he said he told you that we all stayed in that night. 157 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,160 The inference I took was that we should all say the same. 158 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,800 Why do you think he wanted you to lie? 159 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,640 At first I thought it was because of his profile 160 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,960 that he didn't want the press latching onto him. 161 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,320 And, yeah, I was happy to go along with that, 162 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,960 because I didn't for a nanosecond believe there was any... 163 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:57,960 ..darker motive. 164 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,960 Except then yesterday Pete rang me. 165 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:03,960 Pete Carr. 166 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,960 And he told me something about Jamie's son. 167 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,480 Told you what? 168 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,480 He said he'd seen Eliot climbing into the house 169 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,960 through a first-floor window 170 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,480 at around two in the morning on New Year's Day. 171 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:33,960 OK, so where are we with Eliot Hollis? 172 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:36,960 Still looking for him. 173 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:37,960 But for what it's worth, 174 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:39,960 I just pulled this off an online employment site 175 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,960 which he signed up to in 2007, 176 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,960 when he was living in the States with his dad. 177 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,960 It details holiday work on a building site in the UK, so... 178 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,960 OK. Let's check James Hollis's car, 179 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:53,960 the BMW, I wanna see its service history. 180 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:55,960 Maybe speak to the ex again, check their bank statements, 181 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:57,480 insurance companies. 182 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,960 I want to know if the car had any bodywork repairs done 183 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:02,960 in the months immediately after Hayley died. 184 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,960 I just wanna say I'm sorry, Pete. 185 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,960 I was angry, and...shocked... 186 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,160 ..but I also know in my heart you're a good man. 187 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,960 Yeah, you've done some silly things, we both know that, but... 188 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:25,960 ..you're a good man. 189 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,960 And I want you to hear that I know that. 190 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:35,480 Basically, I think Hayley used a sort of code, 191 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:36,960 in her diary, 192 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:38,960 I'm guessing for if her mum read it, 193 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,960 so she wouldn't know what she was referring to. 194 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,000 So, first up, 195 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,960 when she has sex, I think she calls it "tea". 196 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,960 And then, and I think this is actually more important, 197 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,960 when she says she had some cake, I think she's saying she took drugs. 198 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,960 So this is just a small selection 199 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,960 of the times these words appear, but you can see a clear pattern. 200 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,960 "Great cake at Marly's, then went shopping, a very nice trip." 201 00:10:59,960 --> 00:11:02,960 "Went clubbing in Portsmouth, ate cake, up till six." 202 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,960 "Had tea and cake with Ade, his birthday present to me, 203 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:07,960 "just what I always wanted." 204 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,960 The reason I think this is significant 205 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:11,960 is this reference here. 206 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,160 This is dated two days before she disappeared. 207 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,960 And here, she says, "G's gonna get us some cake 208 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,480 "for the New Year party." 209 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,480 I think this is why she left work earlier, 210 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:25,960 I think G's is where she was going. 211 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,960 Dealer, maybe? Or friend who was selling her some gear. 212 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:31,960 Erm... 213 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,160 I mean, it might explain how she could have been 214 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:35,960 in the vicinity of the Spinney, 215 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,960 which from the pub, is the opposite direction to the party. 216 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:42,960 Nice work, Fran. 217 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,480 OK, can we liaise with Hampshire Police 218 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:46,960 on local drug dealers, 219 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,960 then and now? 220 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:50,960 But really good work, Fran. 221 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:53,960 Thanks, guys. 222 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:55,960 Shall we? 223 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,960 Miller, hi, it's me. 224 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:01,960 Erm...I'm sorry I haven't rung before, 225 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,000 but I just needed some time on my own to think things through. 226 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:07,960 And I wanted to say... 227 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,960 ..don't believe what you might hear about me from the police. 228 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:15,960 I'm not a bad man. 229 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,960 I made some mistakes but I'm not a bad man. 230 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,960 So, why did you lie, Christopher? 231 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,960 I lied, erm...because from the moment Hayley Reid went missing 232 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,960 I sort of believed that at some point 233 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:45,960 someone would knock on my door wanting to blame me. 234 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,960 Which...I believed for a number of reasons. 235 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,960 None of which include me having anything to do with her death. 236 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:58,320 Erm...in late December 1999... 237 00:12:59,960 --> 00:13:01,960 ..I was in a bad way, mentally. 238 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,960 I was in the manic phase, I know now, of a bipolar episode. 239 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,960 Exacerbated by over-work, and by a personal event 240 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:11,960 that had... 241 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:13,960 profoundly traumatised me. 242 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,960 And on New Year's Eve, 243 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,960 in addition to me idiotically taking some cocaine, 244 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:21,960 it overwhelmed me. 245 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:23,960 And I became very unwell. 246 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:29,480 I think I ended up leaving the house, and just, just walking, 247 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,960 eh, I dunno where, 248 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,960 for a couple of hours. 249 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,960 And then finally, when I returned, I was exhausted 250 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:38,640 and I fell asleep almost immediately, 251 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:39,960 and then the next day... 252 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,960 ..news started to filter through 253 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,960 about this missing local girl, and... 254 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,960 ..because of this personal thing that had happened, 255 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,000 and I suppose to a degree because of my poor mental health, 256 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:57,960 I became...obsessed that the police would come for me, 257 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:59,960 that a knock on the door was imminent. 258 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:02,960 But it-it-it didn't actually come. 259 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,960 Not that day, nor the next, or the day after. It didn't come. 260 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:07,960 But, erm...I never stopped waiting for it. 261 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,320 So, when you finally showed up, DCI Stuart, 262 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,960 in my head I went straight back to those first days 263 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:16,960 after Hayley Reid went missing, 264 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:18,960 I felt the same fear, the same panic, 265 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:19,960 and yeah, I lied. 266 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:21,960 I lied about where I was that night. 267 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,960 That is all that I lied about, because I swear, I-I... 268 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:27,960 I didn't hurt Hayley Reid. 269 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,000 I never even met her. 270 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,960 And this event, that fed into your paranoia... 271 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:37,320 ..what was that? 272 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,320 Yeah, so, uh... 273 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,960 On October 12th 1999 I was arrested for credit card payments 274 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:45,960 to online child sex abuse sites. 275 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,960 The card was a business one, which meant I was arrested at the office, 276 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,480 and the police told my business partner, Helen, 277 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:54,960 because I sometimes visited 278 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,960 commercial shoots involving children. 279 00:14:59,960 --> 00:15:01,960 She then told the board, 280 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,960 and in January 2000, she told my wife. 281 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,800 Two months later, when I was charged, the board sacked me. 282 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,800 Then my wife filed for divorce. 283 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,960 So, within four months of my arrest... 284 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:17,960 ..yeah, I lost, erm... 285 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,640 I lost everything. 286 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:21,960 Everything I loved. 287 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,960 My wife, Laura, and my career. 288 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,800 My... 289 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:34,960 My beautiful daughter. 290 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,960 Yeah. Yeah, my life just pretty much collapsed. 291 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:44,960 But here's the thing, 292 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:46,960 it wasn't me. 293 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,000 The credit card payments, I didn't make them. 294 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,320 My life had been ruined, and I was completely, 100% innocent. 295 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,960 And do you happen to remember who packed the trailer? 296 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,640 Jesus! You don't think...? Do you? 297 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,640 I always used to pack the bags, and... 298 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,960 James always used to put them in the trailer. 299 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,960 OK. And your car, a BMW 3 series, I believe? 300 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,960 Yeah. Do you recall if it sustained any damage over that break? 301 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,000 You think it was a car accident? Do you? 302 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,480 Mrs Hollis? 303 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,960 He said he'd hit a deer. 304 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,960 Your husband? Yes, my husband. Who else? 305 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,960 Why don't you take a look at these photos, and this floor plan... 306 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,960 ..and tell me if you can remember which bedroom 307 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:58,960 you and your husband slept in, 308 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:00,960 which bedroom your friends slept in, 309 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:02,000 and which your son. 310 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:05,320 No. 311 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:09,960 My card details, like those 312 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,960 of hundreds of other completely innocent people 313 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:13,960 were cloned. 314 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:18,800 Of course, I protested my innocence, I told them, "This is crazy. 315 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,960 "I've never visited these sites, it's absurd, a mistake." 316 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,160 But I was charged. 317 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:26,960 And then... 318 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,960 ..then suddenly I was living alone in a depressing flat in Acton. 319 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:35,960 And my trial date had not been set. 320 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,640 I managed to salvage some money from my separation, and I found a lawyer, 321 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:42,960 and we hired a team of investigators 322 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,800 to prove that the sites paid for were never actually visited, 323 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,960 they proved that when the payments were made, 324 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,960 allegedly from my work computer, I was abroad. 325 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,640 And so in 2003, finally, 326 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:55,960 the charges were dropped 327 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,960 and I was granted a record deletion application 328 00:17:57,960 --> 00:17:59,960 in 2004. 329 00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:01,960 By this time Laura had remarried, 330 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:02,960 and I hadn't seen her, 331 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,960 or been allowed to see my daughter, for three years. 332 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,960 I was living in shelters, or on the streets, 333 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,160 without access to the medication I needed. 334 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:15,960 The idea of just turning up, 335 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,160 and persuading them I hadn't somehow bought my innocence... 336 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,160 ..yeah, that was beyond me. 337 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,960 So I had to try and begin to accept what had happened to me, 338 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:30,160 this awful injustice, 339 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,960 this catastrophic unfairness. 340 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:35,960 To try...to try and... 341 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:36,960 rebuild a life. 342 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,960 You know, which sounds simpler than it actually was, 343 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:42,960 because I was homeless, 344 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,960 in and out of temporary accommodation for six more years... 345 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,960 ..before Tim... 346 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,960 ..my friend, Tim, 347 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,480 he finally tracked me down, 348 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,960 bought me my first van, in 2010, 349 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:02,960 then I began to live again, rather than just exist. 350 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,960 Then one week ago, you turn up, and ask a man who has lost everything, 351 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,960 through, what, just simple bad luck, 352 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,960 someone...someone who knows what can happen, 353 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,960 and you ask him where he was that night. 354 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:20,800 Yeah, so, that's why I lied. 355 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:22,960 That. 356 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,960 (That.) 357 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,640 James Hollis's ex remembers his son slept in a box room. 358 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,960 The only box room in the house 359 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,960 has a window that goes out onto a flat roof. 360 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,960 Which supports Tim Finch's claim 361 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:37,960 that Pete Carr saw him seen climbing in at 2am. 362 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,480 Exactly. 363 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,960 Yeah. 364 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,320 Jake Collier. 365 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,960 She's in an interview at the moment, can I pass on a message? 366 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,960 Hello, is it Maria? 367 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,960 Yeah. 368 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,960 Sorry, I was just having a quick nap. 369 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,480 I'm Dr Walsh. I'm one of the doctors who's been looking after Peter. 370 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,960 Oh, right. Yes. How's he doing? 371 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,640 (Shit.) 372 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,800 D'you believe him? I dunno. 373 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:21,960 Maybe. 374 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,960 You speak to the legal firm, 375 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,960 I'll try and track down the unit that investigated him. OK. 376 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,960 Guv? 377 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,960 King's Lynn nick just rang. Peter Carr's died. 378 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:33,960 Heart attack. 379 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,960 'Please leave your message after the tone.' 380 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,960 Mrs Carr, it's DCI Cassie Stuart. 381 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,960 I just wanted to ring and say...how.. 382 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,960 ..desperately sad I was... 383 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,960 ..to hear about your husband's death. 384 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,960 DCI Stuart? DCI Stuart, have you got anything to say? 385 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,960 What will you say to his family? 386 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:37,960 D'you blame yourself, DCI Stuart? 387 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,960 '..and as his wife comforts their two young sons tonight, 388 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,960 'I think the death of Mr Carr raises a number of important questions. 389 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,960 'Firstly, what new laws, if any, do we need, 390 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,960 'in order to better restrict 391 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,960 'the sort of hateful social media campaign 392 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,160 'that undoubtedly contributed towards his murder? 393 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,960 'And secondly, I think we need to ask how problematic it is 394 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,960 'that such major criminal investigations 395 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,960 'as this one, are increasingly being held under such a public gaze. 396 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,960 'With police so far refusing to confirm 397 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,480 'whether Peter Carr remained a suspect, 398 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,960 'the parents of Hayley Reid must be asking themselves 399 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,960 'the most painful question. 400 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,960 'Has the killer of their beloved daughter 401 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:32,000 'taken the secret of her final moments to his grave? 402 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,960 'This is Rohit Katru, outside Bishop's -' 403 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,960 Hey. 404 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,960 I just went out to grab a bag. I didn't forget to turn it off. 405 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,960 Dad - I just want to say that I've been... 406 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,320 ..thinking about what we were discussing the other day. 407 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,960 And I am genuinely sorry about what you are going through. 408 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:01,960 I'm fine. The problems at work 409 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,800 or whatever it is personally. 410 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,960 My personal life is fine, too. 411 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,480 Of course...I'll always be there, you know? 412 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,320 To give you whatever I can, 413 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:12,960 whenever you need it. 414 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,960 Wow. Well, thank you so much. 415 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,800 It's just that, erm... 416 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,800 ..well, at the moment I think it would be better for both of us 417 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,960 if I were to give you a bit of space. 418 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,320 So I think it's best if I move in with Jenny for a bit. 419 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:26,960 All right. 420 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,960 Anyway... 421 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,160 it'll be a rehearsal for us, you know? 422 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,000 "Rehearsal." 423 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,160 I asked her last night if she'd marry me. 424 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:38,960 She said she would. 425 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,960 So, we'll probably... 426 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,960 buy somewhere together, next year. 427 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,480 Sorry, you mean, like, move in together? Cos you can't... 428 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:47,960 you can't buy somewhere together, can you? 429 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,960 Cos you're the only one with any money. 430 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,960 I never thought that we'd fall out about money. 431 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,960 I'll give you a call tomorrow. 432 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,960 I love you, sweetheart. 433 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:10,960 Yeah! 434 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,960 I miss...us... 435 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,640 as a family. 436 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,960 I miss us all being together. 437 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,640 I miss you. 438 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,800 And I missed you, Aisha. 439 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:27,960 When you left for your soulmate. 440 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,960 D'you remember? 441 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,960 The girls missed you so much. 442 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:35,960 And I'm so sorry for that. 443 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,320 For all the mistakes I made, which I want to put right. 444 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:40,960 Now! 445 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,960 It's too late. We've moved on. 446 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,800 I've moved on. 447 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:47,960 Then... 448 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,160 you...love her, do you, 449 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:51,960 this...Sal? 450 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:52,960 Yes, I do. 451 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,000 And the girls, I mean... 452 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,000 Surely we owe it to them to ask what they'd like? 453 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,960 "We"? 454 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,960 Surely you can't deny them that. I mean, if they want it, 455 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,160 the chance for us all to be together again. 456 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,960 A proper family. 457 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,960 You always said the girls came first. 458 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,960 But I never meant for anyone to actually DO anything! 459 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,160 OK. 460 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,960 Can I read what your last post said? 461 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,960 "For too long, paedophiles, rapists and murderers 462 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,640 "have been treated as if they were the victims. 463 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,960 "but enough is enough. 464 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,960 "If the government won't bring back the death penalty for such crimes, 465 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,960 "perhaps it's time for honest, law-abiding citizens, 466 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,960 "to take matters into their own hands." 467 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,960 And then you've put a picture of Peter Carr 468 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,480 with his work address, under the headline, "Monster". 469 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,960 But I never said to anyone to kill him! 470 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,640 So when you said it was time 471 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,960 for people to take matters into their own hands, 472 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,480 what did you mean, exactly? 473 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,960 I just wanted a job. 474 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,960 I'm 27, and I have a degree in journalism 475 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,000 that's cost me the best part of 50 grand. 476 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,640 And I have never 477 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,960 had proper paid work in my chosen field, 478 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,960 despite having written hundreds of job applications. 479 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,960 So I was just trying to...shock. 480 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,960 Cos...that's what you need to do these days. 481 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,800 Otherwise no-one hears you, no-one listens. 482 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,960 And if no-one listens, what are you? 483 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:39,960 You're no-one. 484 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,960 In terms of the IPCC it's a mandatory referral. 485 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,000 I don't really have any choice. 486 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,320 And the case? 487 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,960 The Reid family have reiterated their faith in you. 488 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,960 For now, the case remains yours. 489 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,320 Thank you. 490 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,960 Oh, just ask the actual fucking question, Em, please. 491 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,960 Look, I've got ten minutes before I'm due back, 492 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,160 and I really don't have time for endless, dreary euphemisms. 493 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,960 You don't have to get so unpleasant, Dad. Oh, you think? 494 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,000 It's just that, as your father, 495 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,960 I thought you might already know the answer. 496 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,960 I'm sorry. 497 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,960 I'm very stressed by all of this. 498 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,960 But, no. 499 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,960 I never hit your mum. 500 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,960 Apologies, but I... have a two o'clock. 501 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,960 And for the avoidance of any doubt, 502 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,640 I'm not a psychopathic murderer, either. 503 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,960 Just pull the door to, when you leave. 504 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,160 Love you. 505 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,960 Els? 506 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,960 If you don't tell me the truth, Eliot, 507 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,160 I can't continue to protect you. Like you have for the past 32 years? 508 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,960 Protect me from what? Have you had a good look at me recently, Dad? 509 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,640 Prison. And I will happily do that. 510 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,960 I will lie for you, and say I was driving that night. 511 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:50,960 But you have to tell me the truth. 512 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,960 I've already told you a million times. 513 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,480 I don't think so. 514 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,960 Yes, I have. I was driving, I hit something, I don't know what. 515 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,960 I went out to look for it and couldn't find anything. That's it. 516 00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:01,960 No. Yes! Because you actually went back that night. 517 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,800 I what?! I think you actually found her, 518 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:05,640 and then you hid her, 519 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,960 and then you went back to get her a few nights later. 520 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,960 What the fuck are you talking about? Tell me the truth, please, Eliot! 521 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,160 It's been 18 years, I need to hear it, now, I need to hear the truth! 522 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,960 Where was she found? Oh, you KNOW where she was found! 523 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,960 I don't! I've been using since you first called me! 524 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,640 Where was she found? 525 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,960 Tell me, where was she found?! She was buried in London. 526 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:38,960 What? 527 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:42,960 (No.) 528 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:43,960 What? 529 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,960 Come on! 530 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:01,960 Good boy! 531 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,960 Wooh! 532 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,960 Boss. Yep. 533 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,960 Uh, so, just got off the phone to Eastleigh nick, 534 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,960 which is the nearest one to Middenham, 535 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,960 so they've identified our 'G' as local drug dealer, 536 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:26,960 nickname 'Gandalf', 537 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,320 real name, Nigel Farndale. 538 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,960 He's got a 30-year record of drug offences, so they're gonna 539 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,960 pull him up and bring him straight in. OK. Thank you. 540 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,960 James Hollis is downstairs, with his son. 541 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,000 For the past 18 years 542 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,960 I have believed that my son killed Hayley Reid. 543 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,640 Because he did steal my car, he was drunk, 544 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,960 and when he got back home at two in the morning 545 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,960 and I found him in his room in a terrible state, 546 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,160 he told me that he'd hit something. 547 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,960 He said that he'd got out to see what it was, 548 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,960 but couldn't find anything. 549 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,160 And although his gut instinct told him that it was just an animal... 550 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,480 ..he was also very scared... 551 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,640 ..that it might be a person. 552 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,960 Which fear grew, when the next day 553 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,960 news that Hayley Reid was missing started to filter through. 554 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,960 And the fact they couldn't find her 555 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,800 also, uh...fitted 556 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,960 because the road he was on 557 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,960 was next to the river 558 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,960 which had burst its banks following the heavy rain. 559 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,960 Meaning we had to consider 560 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,640 the awful possibility... 561 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,960 ..that she had been knocked into the water, washed down the river, 562 00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:58,960 and out to sea. 563 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,960 And for 18 years 564 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,000 he and I have hidden that, uh... 565 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,960 dreadful secret, and I'm so, so sorry for that. 566 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,960 And then she was found. 567 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,000 The nightmare should have been over. Except... 568 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,000 ..instead of finally 569 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,960 believing that he was innocent... 570 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,960 ..I started to believe that not only had he hit her, 571 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,960 but he'd actually found her, 572 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,960 and hidden her 573 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,000 to drive back down a few days later, 574 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,640 retrieve the body... and bury it in London. 575 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,480 Oh, it, erm... 576 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,960 might seem a terrible thing to believe about your son. 577 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,960 But... 578 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,960 18 years of this... 579 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,960 toxic secret between us, and... 580 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,960 ..seeing the consequences of that in everything my son has become... 581 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,000 ..has made my judgement bad. 582 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,960 And how do you know he didn't do exactly what you've described? 583 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,960 Because when I finally found him, just a few hours ago, 584 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:18,960 and talked to him properly 585 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,960 for the first time since Hayley had been found... 586 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,960 he reminded me that we drove back early on the 2nd, 587 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,960 to put him on a flight to Switzerland 588 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,960 for a school skiing trip. 589 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,000 He was away for ten days. There will be school records. 590 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,960 He could have driven back down there once he got back. 591 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,960 By which time the police and half the world's press 592 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,960 were in Middenham, so I don't think so. 593 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,960 But, listen, we're not hiding anymore. 594 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,960 He's here, to answer your questions. So ask him. 595 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,960 But... 596 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,000 I think he did just hit a deer that night. 597 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,960 And by me...enabling him 598 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,960 to not face up to his responsibilities... 599 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,160 ..I've messed up his whole life. 600 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,000 For absolutely no reason at all. 601 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,960 So, I'm gonna stay in the van tonight, 602 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,960 because I want you to have the time you need, 603 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,960 you know, to absorb everything. 604 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,960 And when might the police know, do you think... 605 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:42,960 ..that you're not a suspect anymore? 606 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:45,960 I don't know. 607 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,960 But if it's worth me saying one more time, 608 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,480 you know, it wasn't me. 609 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,960 Not Hayley Reid, not the credit card stuff, not anything. 610 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,960 And sometimes... 611 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,960 we have to, you must know this, 612 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,960 we have to accept that... 613 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,960 ..that life can be just random, 614 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,800 and cruel, 615 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,320 before being, in the blink of an eye, 616 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,480 just as randomly wonderful. 617 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,640 Eliot? 618 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:44,960 D'you wanna fuck off, Dad? 619 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,960 He's right, I'm afraid. 620 00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,960 Within five days of her disappearance 621 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:00,960 Middenham was crawling with police, 622 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,960 there were search parties, choppers with cameras, road blocks, 623 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,960 if she was murdered in Middenham, 624 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,960 it was always my belief she had to have been moved within a day or so. 625 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:12,960 Sorry. 626 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,960 They're looking at their records now, 627 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,960 but the teacher I spoke to remembers the skiing trip well 628 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,960 and remembers Eliot being on it, 629 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,960 because he was such a pain in the arse. 630 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,640 Right. 631 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,960 And Nigel Farndale's here. 632 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,160 Thanks. 633 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,960 Did you talk to the son? Uh, briefly. 634 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,960 And? My sense was 635 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,960 he is telling the truth. 636 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,960 So for now we're letting them both go. 637 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,960 I better speak to this Farndale bloke. 638 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,960 Yeah, I better push off. No, thank you for coming in. 639 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,320 No worries. 640 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,160 Uh, look, I'm probably gonna head back down to Hampshire tomorrow, 641 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,960 so... Right. 642 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,160 But, erm...can I call you? 643 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,960 I don't know if this is a good idea, right now, John. 644 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,960 I've just got so much... 645 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,960 ..c-crap on, right now, that I need to sort out. 646 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,960 And...I'm not sure starting, uh... 647 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,960 It wouldn't be fair on you. 648 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,960 Sorry. 649 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,320 I'll call you, then. 650 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,960 I mean, we all lived together for 10, 11 years, Mum, 651 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,960 we never saw him do anything like... 652 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,000 You know, the photos, were they even you, or was it make-up, or...? 653 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,960 I dunno. 654 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,960 Help me out here, cos I'm struggling. 655 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,480 Well... 656 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,960 you're not struggling, Em, or you wouldn't be here. 657 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,960 You wouldn't have driven five hours just to ask! 658 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,960 Listen, I know I shouldn't have asked for the money, 659 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,960 it was stupid, but it was the first time in nearly 30 years 660 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,960 I felt like I had the upper hand. 661 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:32,960 And I got a little giddy. 662 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,960 Although... 663 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,000 ..for what it's worth, he never did pay the settlement. 664 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,800 These are the letters from my lawyer to his. 665 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,960 I instructed mine to stop fighting in 2005, 666 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,320 after your father put his hands around my neck, at our old house, 667 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,960 and threatened to kill me. 668 00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:04,960 Of course you and Clare never saw stuff, I did everything I could 669 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,960 to keep it from you both. 670 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,960 As did he. 671 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,960 For different reasons, obviously. 672 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,960 But that takes its toll, 673 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,960 sweetheart, living that lie. 674 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,960 To keep smiling, as you told me about all your fun times with him. 675 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,960 The lovely holidays with him. 676 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,960 When I knew...what he really was. 677 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,160 It took its toll on me, 678 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,960 and in turn, my problems served his deception well. 679 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,960 The photos were genuine, my love. 680 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,960 And you're here now because some part of you, 681 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,960 some subconscious part, 682 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,960 has always known that something was wrong. 683 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,960 And it gives me no pleasure at all 684 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,960 to tell you that you are right. 685 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,960 Yes, she came to my house that night. 686 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,480 Mm-hm. And that was to buy? 687 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,960 In 2000, it would have been E's, I'd imagine. 688 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,000 You didn't think to mention this to the police at the time? 689 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,960 I had a house full of gear! 690 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,960 I knew I hadn't done anything wrong, so... 691 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,960 But, yeah, I'm sorry. I should have. 692 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,960 Do you remember what time she arrived? 693 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,960 Would have been about... twenty past eleven. 694 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,960 How do you remember so specifically? 695 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,960 Cos we chatted a bit, maybe ten minutes, then we left together. 696 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,960 I went to a party in Alcross, which is about half an hour aways, 697 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,960 and I remember I got there just as Big Ben was chiming. 698 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,960 And when she left, did she say where she was going? 699 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,960 She said straight to her party. 700 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,960 Erm, can you... 701 00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:01,320 show me where you were living, in 1999? 702 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,960 So, if what he's saying is true, 703 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,960 then to get from the Farndales to the party house, 704 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,800 there's absolutely no reason for her to be passing the church. 705 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,960 Or where Eliot Hollis was spotted driving the car. 706 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,960 Which would seem to suggest James Hollis 707 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,960 is telling the truth, 708 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,320 as was Peter Carr. 709 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:25,960 Yeah. 710 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,960 As she walked from here to here, 711 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:29,960 if she encountered anyone, 712 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,960 the more likely it would be Chris Lowe or Tim Finch. 713 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,960 And I've just come off the phone to West End Central, 714 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,960 who have detailed records of the credit card investigation into Lowe, 715 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,640 which they themselves now admit, 716 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:43,960 with hindsight, 717 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,960 was flawed. 718 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,960 So he didn't just hire good lawyers? 719 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,960 On balance, they think not. 720 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,960 They think he should never have been charged. 721 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,320 That doesn't mean we eliminate him as a suspect, of course, 722 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,320 but for now, I think we should concentrate our fire elsewhere. 723 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,160 And some, erm, slightly better news here. 724 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,960 Yesterday we got in touch with DVLA to see if any of our 725 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,480 four main suspects had any endorsements 726 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,960 for the days after New Year. 727 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,160 And my thinking was, 728 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,960 you have a dead body in your boot, 729 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,960 you might be driving a little faster than normal. 730 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,960 So here is a copy of Tim Finch's driving license endorsements, 731 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,480 going back 35 years. 732 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,160 There's four speeding offences on there, which is kinda normal. 733 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,960 Except for the date of the second one. 734 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,640 Shit! 735 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,960 The 3rd of January, 2000. 736 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,480 That's the day after he got back to London. 737 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,160 D'you know where he got it? Not yet. 738 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:44,960 They're gonna get back to us. 739 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,960 But that...is a tickle. 740 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,960 That's definitely a tickle. 741 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,960 DI Khan. 'Have you got a pen?' 742 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,960 Yes, yes, I have, yep. 743 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,160 '6:20am, A405 South.' 744 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,960 That is so helpful, thank you so much. 745 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,960 Ticket was issued at 6:20am on the A405. Which is where? 746 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,960 Six miles outside of Middenham. 747 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,320 Was he heading to, or from? 748 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:12,960 From. 749 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,960 Timothy Finch, I'm arresting you on suspicion of the murder 750 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:33,960 of Hayley Reid. 751 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,960 You do not have to say anything, 752 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,960 but it may harm your defence if you do not mention now 753 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,960 something you later rely on in court. 754 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,320 As you're being arrested, we have authority to search your premises 755 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,960 under Section 32 of the Police And Criminal Evidence Act. 756 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,000 Would you like to get dressed, please? 757 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,960 Why were you on the road out of Middenham, 758 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,960 heading to London, 759 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,960 at...6:20am, 760 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,960 the day after you'd returned to London? 761 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,960 I'd left my laptop in the house and drove back down to pick it up. 762 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,960 I left very early because I wanted to be back in time 763 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:49,960 for morning surgery. 764 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,960 And you'd arranged this with the lettings agency? 765 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,800 Yes. They've made no mention of that. 766 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,320 Well, what d'you want me to say? I arranged it. 767 00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:01,960 Who'd you speak to? 768 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:02,960 I don't remember, it's... 769 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,960 nearly 20 years ago, erm... 770 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,960 a bloke, I think. 771 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,960 And, what, he took you round there, did he? 772 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,640 At 6am? 773 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,960 No, he left the key, under a flowerpot. 774 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,960 Apparently the house was vacant that week, 775 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,960 and he said to just let myself in. 776 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,960 So why were you speeding? 777 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,960 It had taken longer that I thought to get down there. 778 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,960 I was running late. 779 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,960 For the purposes of the interview, DC Collier has entered the room. 780 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,960 Sorry to interrupt, Ma'am. Can I have a quick word? 781 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,800 Excuse me. 782 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,960 Interview suspended at 8:31. 783 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,960 In his cellar, behind a thousand boxes of junk, 784 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,960 we found one of those old, like, money box type things. 785 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,960 And when we got it open, we found these. 786 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,960 A necklace, with hair still attached to the clasp, 787 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,960 a scrunchie... 788 00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:01,960 ..and a pair of knickers. 59995

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