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Did you die in this house?
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Who are you?
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[ beeping ]
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that thing is going off.
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[ beeping continues ]
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♪♪
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jack: Is this place
a portal to hell?
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[ cawing ]
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-[ grunts ]
-[ cries out ]
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that's bones.
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[ suspenseful music plays ]
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[ child giggling ]
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[ beeping ]
serious?
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[ asphyxiating ]
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♪♪
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katrina: He believes
that you're demonic...
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[ cawing ]
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...So this should
really piss you off.
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[ bell tolling ]
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[ laughing ]
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[ sinister music plays ]
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[ voices exhaling ]
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♪♪
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so we're in denver, colorado,
and we are going to be
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investigating the king
of haunted houses,
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the croke-patterson mansion.
Yeah.
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This place has
a really long history
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of very strange and kind of
dark occurrences
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connected to the families
that own this property.
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Yeah, it kind of seems like
every family that's
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lived there has had
some crazy misfortune
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to the point where,
I mean, everybody is dying,
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they're losing
all their money.
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And a lot of people
attribute this
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to either weird energy
in the house
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or even a haunting.
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So, you know,
what's with this place?
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Is there a portal?
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Is it just plain haunted?
What's the deal?
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So I guess more
to be revealed.
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Let's do it.
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♪♪
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so croke-patterson.
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This dislocation has never been
investigated for tv.
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Yeah.
I want to know
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who gave it the name
"the king of haunted houses"
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and what transpired for
them to designate it that title.
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We go into a lot
of these places,
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and people are like,
"this person died,
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that person died,
then this happened."
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and when you start
digging into it,
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there's no basis for it at all.
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What's interesting
about this property
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is a lot of these "rumors"
are actually backed up
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with fact
and news articles
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and people who actually
did live and die here.
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Yeah.
So going through
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the property records gives us
a really good timeline.
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The croke family
built it in 1890.
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And within six months
of having it built,
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the market crashed.
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Three years later, in 1893,
a patterson family moves in.
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So that's why we have
the name croke-patterson.
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A year later,
their daughter died.
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After that, the wife
becomes ill, and she dies.
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And then patterson
has a heart attack
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and dies in the house.
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Wow.
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After that,
we do see a family there,
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a dr. Sudan and his family.
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They take over, and then the
wife commits suicide in 1950.
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Just seems like every
family that moves in
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gets cursed by this place
or by something.
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That's the thing, too,
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because we are talking about
a time period,
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late 1800s, early 1900s,
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spiritualism was huge.
Yeah.
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And seances
were done for fun.
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They were like the thing to do
on a Saturday night.
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Yeah.
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And then that brings up
the question,
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did they bring something in
or stir something up?
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Does that have anything to do
with the energy on the property,
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the building?
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Did somebody
open up a portal?
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Or is it just strange string of
weird occurrences that happened?
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Yeah.
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Ooh.
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What the...
This is it?
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Wow.
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What the [bleep]
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wow.
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♪♪
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wow.
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♪♪
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should we disembark
and go meet chris?
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Let's go meet chris.
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So we're gonna meet
with the owner, chris,
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and do a bit of a baseline
walk through.
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This place does seem like
it has some kind of
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curse associated with it.
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It's like the world's
worst luck ever.
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I mean, like, what family
has lived here
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and owned this place
and been like --
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come out
the other side better?
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-Hi.
-Hi.
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Welcome to
the patterson inn.
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Thank you.
You're chris?
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I'm chris.
Nice to meet you.
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I'm katrina.
Hi.
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Hey. How's it going?
Hi. Nice to meet you.
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I'm jack.
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Let me help you
with your bags.
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Oh, yeah. Thank you.
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So this is
a stunning building.
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Thank you.
I have to say, it's gorgeous.
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How did you
come about owning?
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Nine years ago,
I flew out to denver
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to look at this
abandoned building.
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I stood right here, and I looked
at the house, and I said,
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"I want to turn you
into a bed and breakfast."
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and my first paranormal
experience was a ghost
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up there in this tower.
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And she said, like
she was standing next to me,
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"get off the [bleep] grass."
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jack: Were you stood
on the grass?
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Yeah, the path
wasn't here yet.
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It was still
like a little hill.
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And I looked down.
My foot was on the grass.
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But that was
my very first experience.
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How many paranormal experiences
have you had in this place?
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Personally, I've had two.
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Okay.
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So the house either
picks you or it runs you.
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And so far, so good.
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-Okay.
-Interesting.
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Well, let's go
on the tour.
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♪♪
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this room is original.
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We'll talk about it more
when we go upstairs.
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I'll show you
some of the paintings,
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then some of the stories.
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Do people say they
see something on the stairs?
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I've heard that before.
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When we first walked in,
I got drawn to the stairs.
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When I looked at the landing,
I kind of saw something like
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a figure that
looked distorted.
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A few months ago, I had
a friend and his girlfriend
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stay here at the hotel,
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and they went up
the stairs that night.
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And when they were at breakfast
the next morning,
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I asked them how did they sleep,
was everything okay?
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And they both looked
at each other,
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and he goes,
"well, I'm pretty sure
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somebody followed us up
the stairs last night."
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mm.
And they were the only ones
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in the house.
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And she looked at him,
and she goes,
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"I thought that, too."
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they didn't want
to talk about it
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until the next morning.
Oh.
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I'm not surprised that people
feel like somebody is there.
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What my experience was,
I don't know.
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I can't really say, but it
definitely got my attention.
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I don't know who it is.
And I'm hoping you find out.
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This mirror has been here
since the beginning.
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What I love about it is that
it's had a view of everyone
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who's passed through this house
for 127 years.
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Hm.
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This is just the gateway
to this extraordinary house
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and its legacy
and its history.
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Has anybody ever said
that they see anything
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come out of it?
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I have not heard that.
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I had...
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[ beeping ]
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hm?
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I haven't heard that
in the two years I've been here.
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-Yeah.
-Other than this just
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awkward feeling when people
stand in front of it.
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-Yeah.
-So we're gonna start here.
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This is da vinci.
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[ beeping ]
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it keeps popping off.
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I don't know
what the deal is, but...
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♪♪
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this is a fairly active room.
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One particular guest
told me a story.
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She wore her headphones
because her husband snored.
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[ chuckles ]
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and she said that she was
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very conscious of a person
trying to whisper in her ear.
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And because she was
wearing the headphones,
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she actually said
they were blowing in her ear,
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like someone's trying
to get your attention.
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Hm. Interesting.
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There's a great picture
here on the fireplace
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that shows
the patterson family,
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their first christmas
here in the house...
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Wow.
...In 1893.
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Oh, that's them there.
You'll see the curtain.
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That's how you know
which room we're in.
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This is as it was, three,
when the pattersons lived here.
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Wow.
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[ beeping ]
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-okay.
-Was that the emf?
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Jack: Yeah,
it's the mel on it.
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[ beeping continues ]
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the mel meter was acting up.
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It definitely was anomalous,
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and there were a couple
spaces that, when it was in,
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it was just getting
triggered a lot.
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I think we are inadvertently
digging into these deaths.
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Are they actually the spirits
of the residents of this place?
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Is it something
we don't know about?
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Was there something sinister
going on here?
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I don't know.
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♪♪
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so I have a personal experience
in this room.
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Okay.
It was a little over
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a year ago.
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Sitting down here,
I had a bartender
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working that day,
and I told him my long term plan
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for the house,
and there was a flash of light.
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And both the bartender
and I jump out of the chairs.
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We go looking for the light.
It was a ball.
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Bright orb right here.
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Inside the doorway.
The door was open.
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And we looked everywhere.
We looked in the hallway.
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I was actually
sitting right here,
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so I saw the light
right there in that mirror.
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So you saw it,
the reflection on it. Wow.
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So I saw it through the
mirror, and the bartender was
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looking right at it.
That's interesting. Hm.
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How long ago
was this, chris?
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It was October of 2018.
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Alright.
Where do we go from here?
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Let's go.
We're gonna go upstairs.
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[ beeping ]
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♪♪
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hm. That's weird.
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♪♪
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[ floor boards creaking ]
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♪♪
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this is the staircase,
of course, where I told you
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my friend recently
felt like someone
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walked up behind them.
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Yeah.
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And so you'll
be here overnight.
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See what your
experience is.
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Yeah. I'm not surprised
about that.
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You can feel it
when you go up the steps.
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Anything, though,
historically that we know
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about the second floor
as far as deaths?
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Yes, there was.
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Mrs. Patterson passes away
likely in this room.
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She died in this
house in 1904.
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When their daughters
died here in the house,
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I do believe that
she is still in her home.
260
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Senator patterson,
this was his bedroom,
261
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and likely passed in
that room.
262
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Of a heart attack, right?
Right.
263
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Want to go upstairs?
Yeah.
264
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You ready for this?
Yeah, I'm ready.
265
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You know, it's kind of hard
on a paranormal level
266
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because, you know,
this is an old property,
267
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a lot of different people
have lived through these walls.
268
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So I think there's a lot of
different history to go through.
269
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Come on.
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It's a long
little hallway.
271
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Can we confirm
some of these things?
272
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And does it have anything
to do with the haunting?
273
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♪♪
274
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this is the window
that I was yelled at from.
275
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Okay.
There's a story
276
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that workers were renovating
the house to turn it,
277
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I believe, into apartments,
and they kept complaining
278
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that tools
were going missing.
279
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So the owner put two
dobermans in the house
280
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to try to thwart
whatever was going on.
281
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They figured it was
squatters or vagrants.
282
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The very next morning,
the two dogs are found
283
00:10:31,064 --> 00:10:35,533
supposedly dead from fright,
laying side by side,
284
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paw to paw on the steps
of that staircase
285
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right outside
this window.
286
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The rumor is, the way it's
told as denver folklore,
287
00:10:44,378 --> 00:10:46,611
is that the spirits
of the house
288
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scared the dogs to death
and then removed them
289
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from the house
through this window.
290
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[ glass shatters,
dogs whimpering ]
291
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I feel sick in here.
Can we, um...
292
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I feel nauseous.
293
00:11:04,297 --> 00:11:05,830
Katrina:
I feel sick in here.
294
00:11:05,832 --> 00:11:07,766
Is there anything else?
295
00:11:07,768 --> 00:11:08,833
I do.
I feel sick in here.
296
00:11:08,835 --> 00:11:10,502
Chiari: After you.
Okay.
297
00:11:10,504 --> 00:11:11,903
Do other people say that?
298
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Again, general sense
of unease...
299
00:11:15,142 --> 00:11:17,308
Yeah.
...Is common.
300
00:11:17,310 --> 00:11:19,678
I feel nauseous.
301
00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:20,845
When we were
in the tower room,
302
00:11:20,847 --> 00:11:22,647
I started to
get very nauseous.
303
00:11:22,649 --> 00:11:24,049
I don't know if that
was paranormal
304
00:11:24,051 --> 00:11:26,685
or if it's something to do
with the structure.
305
00:11:26,687 --> 00:11:30,455
Right now, I can't make
any claims on what it was,
306
00:11:30,457 --> 00:11:33,258
but I think it's just something
for us to really pay attention
307
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to as we move through
our investigation.
308
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♪♪
309
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I want to take you to
one of my favorite rooms now.
310
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♪♪
311
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so welcome.
This is prague.
312
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When I brought
my new gm on,
313
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he stayed in this room
for two weeks, and every day,
314
00:11:55,582 --> 00:11:59,317
he said he felt like someone
was watching him or staring.
315
00:11:59,319 --> 00:12:03,154
This is an active room,
equal to da vinci,
316
00:12:03,156 --> 00:12:06,324
which is the other most
talked about active room.
317
00:12:06,326 --> 00:12:08,326
Do you think there's
anything negative here?
318
00:12:08,328 --> 00:12:10,361
It has that history.
Mm-hmm.
319
00:12:10,363 --> 00:12:11,930
I'd like
a little more clarity.
320
00:12:11,932 --> 00:12:13,364
I've had
my own experiences.
321
00:12:13,366 --> 00:12:15,567
I've heard
the guests' experiences.
322
00:12:15,569 --> 00:12:17,869
I'm really curious
to see what you have.
323
00:12:17,871 --> 00:12:20,238
Chris knows
he's had experiences.
324
00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,307
He knows other people
have had them.
325
00:12:22,309 --> 00:12:24,876
But he wants to know,
is what I'm thinking
326
00:12:24,878 --> 00:12:26,778
about these
experiences correct?
327
00:12:26,780 --> 00:12:31,149
And if we can get any evidence
to back up those claims,
328
00:12:31,151 --> 00:12:34,519
then it might give him
some more clarification.
329
00:12:39,326 --> 00:12:42,927
Jack: So it's day two here at
croke-patterson.
330
00:12:42,929 --> 00:12:44,729
We're meeting
with jordan and ann.
331
00:12:44,731 --> 00:12:45,530
Ann?
Yes.
332
00:12:45,532 --> 00:12:46,965
Hi. Katrina.
And jordan?
333
00:12:46,967 --> 00:12:48,700
-Jordan.
-Hey, nice to meet you.
334
00:12:48,702 --> 00:12:50,668
They wrote a book
about the haunted history
335
00:12:50,670 --> 00:12:52,771
of the croke-patterson house.
336
00:12:52,773 --> 00:12:54,906
And we're going to
kind of pick their brains
337
00:12:54,908 --> 00:12:56,775
and find out
about their experience,
338
00:12:56,777 --> 00:12:58,710
the things they uncovered
with the research.
339
00:12:58,712 --> 00:13:01,546
I hope to get some insight
from people who've spent
340
00:13:01,548 --> 00:13:04,149
a huge amount of time
investigating this location.
341
00:13:04,151 --> 00:13:06,251
So you guys researched this,
the book comes out,
342
00:13:06,253 --> 00:13:08,386
and you also did
a paranormal investigation.
343
00:13:08,388 --> 00:13:12,056
What were some of the biggest
"a-ha" moments you guys had
344
00:13:12,058 --> 00:13:14,058
when you were
looking into this?
345
00:13:14,060 --> 00:13:19,197
Well, the first series
of things that happened,
346
00:13:19,199 --> 00:13:21,633
a fabulous psychic
met me here.
347
00:13:21,635 --> 00:13:23,535
She walked in,
immediately saw a woman
348
00:13:23,537 --> 00:13:26,638
on the stairs right here
on the landing.
349
00:13:28,175 --> 00:13:32,377
And she came right here
and stopped and turned around
350
00:13:32,379 --> 00:13:35,713
and looked at the mirror
and then looked up.
351
00:13:35,715 --> 00:13:39,017
Said there was a vortex,
and she said,
352
00:13:39,019 --> 00:13:40,985
"this is where
it all starts.
353
00:13:40,987 --> 00:13:43,321
This is the heart
of the house."
354
00:13:43,323 --> 00:13:44,923
and then
the woman on the stairs
355
00:13:44,925 --> 00:13:48,860
led us up into the bathroom
on the second floor,
356
00:13:48,862 --> 00:13:51,563
and she took two steps
in the bathroom
357
00:13:51,565 --> 00:13:53,631
and just doubled over.
358
00:13:53,633 --> 00:13:56,968
And she said, "this is death,
and this is suicide.
359
00:13:56,970 --> 00:13:58,436
This is death."
360
00:13:58,438 --> 00:14:01,105
I started to feel like
I couldn't breathe.
361
00:14:01,107 --> 00:14:02,240
I look at her,
and she said,
362
00:14:02,242 --> 00:14:04,676
"don't panic.
Just take deep breaths.
363
00:14:04,678 --> 00:14:07,645
There's a woman that died here.
She committed suicide.
364
00:14:07,647 --> 00:14:09,247
And it was
some sort of gas.
365
00:14:09,249 --> 00:14:10,782
And you're feeling
the effects of that.
366
00:14:10,784 --> 00:14:12,016
It will pass."
367
00:14:12,018 --> 00:14:14,252
jack: Did you guys ever
come across any evidence,
368
00:14:14,254 --> 00:14:16,087
any documentation?
[ laughs ]
369
00:14:16,089 --> 00:14:17,488
jordan did.
370
00:14:17,490 --> 00:14:19,958
A gentleman named
archer sudan owned the house.
371
00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:24,028
And we found a death certificate
for his first wife.
372
00:14:24,030 --> 00:14:26,764
Tulleen sudan
killed herself in the house.
373
00:14:26,766 --> 00:14:28,132
Jack: Interesting.
And it says
374
00:14:28,134 --> 00:14:30,268
cyanogas,
she killed herself.
375
00:14:30,270 --> 00:14:32,937
So essentially
water and rat poison.
376
00:14:32,939 --> 00:14:36,407
So dr. Sudan
did a lot of travelling.
377
00:14:36,409 --> 00:14:39,177
She was a nurse
but didn't practice.
378
00:14:39,179 --> 00:14:40,245
Is it your belief
that there is
379
00:14:40,247 --> 00:14:41,646
something negative here?
380
00:14:41,648 --> 00:14:42,847
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
381
00:14:42,849 --> 00:14:44,215
What is
the negative thing?
382
00:14:44,217 --> 00:14:46,684
The negative energy for me
is probably here
383
00:14:46,686 --> 00:14:47,852
at the base
of the stairs.
384
00:14:47,854 --> 00:14:50,455
It's all kind of
contained here, I feel.
385
00:14:50,457 --> 00:14:51,890
But I don't know
what it is.
386
00:14:51,892 --> 00:14:54,826
Like, I couldn't tell you if
it's, like, a person or thing.
387
00:14:54,828 --> 00:14:57,829
Jack:
Whoa. What was that?
388
00:14:57,831 --> 00:14:59,163
Katrina: Did you just
see something?
389
00:14:59,165 --> 00:15:01,366
I thought out of my periphery,
I saw, like,
390
00:15:01,368 --> 00:15:02,934
it just looked like
someone with their arm
391
00:15:02,936 --> 00:15:04,969
on the rail
just looking down.
392
00:15:06,072 --> 00:15:08,006
Someone was watching us.
393
00:15:11,978 --> 00:15:13,845
Jack:
Whoa. What was that?
394
00:15:13,847 --> 00:15:15,079
Katrina:
Did you just see something?
395
00:15:15,081 --> 00:15:16,281
I thought out
of my periphery,
396
00:15:16,283 --> 00:15:18,216
I saw, like, it just looked
like someone with
397
00:15:18,218 --> 00:15:21,052
their arm on the on the rail
just looking down.
398
00:15:21,988 --> 00:15:24,188
Someone was watching us.
399
00:15:25,325 --> 00:15:26,724
It's interesting because
it's when we were
400
00:15:26,726 --> 00:15:28,426
talking about
the negative thing
401
00:15:28,428 --> 00:15:30,461
and you were saying
whatever it is is
402
00:15:30,463 --> 00:15:31,329
in this area.
403
00:15:31,331 --> 00:15:32,630
-It's right here.
-Yeah.
404
00:15:32,632 --> 00:15:33,698
It's always right here.
405
00:15:33,700 --> 00:15:35,166
And that's -- people
have experienced
406
00:15:35,168 --> 00:15:36,534
what jack has
experienced before.
407
00:15:36,536 --> 00:15:38,803
Oh, yeah, people think that --
I mean, they always say,
408
00:15:38,805 --> 00:15:40,705
"who's upstairs?
Who's looking down?
409
00:15:40,707 --> 00:15:41,906
-Okay.
-Alright.
410
00:15:41,908 --> 00:15:42,941
[ laughter ]
411
00:15:42,943 --> 00:15:43,841
-have fun.
-Yeah.
412
00:15:43,843 --> 00:15:44,976
-Will do.
-Thank you.
413
00:15:44,978 --> 00:15:46,778
Katrina: I'm really
pleased with meeting
414
00:15:46,780 --> 00:15:48,613
with jordan and ann
and talking with them.
415
00:15:48,615 --> 00:15:50,315
It was really,
really interesting.
416
00:15:50,317 --> 00:15:52,917
Number one, they seemed
completely credible to me.
417
00:15:52,919 --> 00:15:55,119
They seemed like their
biggest mission was to tell
418
00:15:55,121 --> 00:16:00,325
the story of this house and not
just exploit rumors or legend.
419
00:16:00,327 --> 00:16:01,893
They really wanted
to get to the bottom
420
00:16:01,895 --> 00:16:04,796
of why people are having
these experiences here.
421
00:16:04,798 --> 00:16:12,837
♪♪
422
00:16:12,839 --> 00:16:15,606
jack and I are gonna set up
for the night investigation.
423
00:16:15,608 --> 00:16:19,277
And jack has a great idea of
kind of feeling out the space,
424
00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:20,845
see what we get,
and then we're going to
425
00:16:20,847 --> 00:16:23,247
call in our friend cindy kaza.
426
00:16:23,249 --> 00:16:24,749
She is a psychic medium.
427
00:16:24,751 --> 00:16:27,618
Yeah, where does --
where can this go?
428
00:16:27,620 --> 00:16:29,220
Katrina: The hope
with bringing in cindy
429
00:16:29,222 --> 00:16:32,457
is that if we have
some questions,
430
00:16:32,459 --> 00:16:35,159
cindy can help us
fill in those holes.
431
00:16:35,895 --> 00:16:37,161
Great.
432
00:16:37,163 --> 00:16:39,197
Alright, so the light panels
are all set.
433
00:16:39,766 --> 00:16:41,699
Okay.
434
00:16:41,701 --> 00:16:43,267
Kill the lights.
435
00:16:43,269 --> 00:16:49,240
♪♪
436
00:16:49,242 --> 00:16:55,246
♪♪
437
00:16:55,248 --> 00:17:00,118
okay, so camera one,
we have the heart of the house,
438
00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:01,352
the kind of entryway.
439
00:17:01,354 --> 00:17:03,521
Camera 2, we have
440
00:17:03,523 --> 00:17:05,590
the second floor
stairway landing,
441
00:17:05,592 --> 00:17:08,960
like where I thought I saw
someone looking over at me.
442
00:17:08,962 --> 00:17:12,063
Three is in the tower,
like the turret,
443
00:17:12,065 --> 00:17:14,465
where the dogs allegedly
threw themselves out the window.
444
00:17:14,467 --> 00:17:17,068
Camera five is
the third floor hallway.
445
00:17:17,070 --> 00:17:19,904
Room six is the basement.
446
00:17:19,906 --> 00:17:22,407
This used to be
the smoking room of
447
00:17:22,409 --> 00:17:23,975
senator patterson.
448
00:17:23,977 --> 00:17:25,910
So our mission
is to figure out
449
00:17:25,912 --> 00:17:28,079
who it is that's here,
if we know who they are.
450
00:17:28,081 --> 00:17:29,714
Is there a history of them
being here?
451
00:17:29,716 --> 00:17:32,450
Is there a portal here
bringing spirits in?
452
00:17:32,452 --> 00:17:34,852
You know, a lot of people say
there's a vortex or a portal
453
00:17:34,854 --> 00:17:36,788
in the heart of the building.
454
00:17:38,391 --> 00:17:39,791
That could be one.
455
00:17:39,793 --> 00:17:44,162
♪♪
456
00:17:44,164 --> 00:17:45,430
-hey, katrina.
-Hey.
457
00:17:45,432 --> 00:17:46,497
-How you doing?
-What's going on?
458
00:17:46,499 --> 00:17:48,499
I thought a good
strategy would be
459
00:17:48,501 --> 00:17:50,268
maybe do like a big call out
being like,
460
00:17:50,270 --> 00:17:52,437
"hey, we're here.
We're just documenting.
461
00:17:52,439 --> 00:17:54,739
We're not trying to,
you know, get rid of you.
462
00:17:54,741 --> 00:17:56,174
This is your home."
463
00:17:56,176 --> 00:17:58,609
and, yeah, we'll kind of
go from there.
464
00:17:58,611 --> 00:18:00,845
I like to do this.
Let's do this.
465
00:18:00,847 --> 00:18:02,780
Grab that gear.
466
00:18:02,782 --> 00:18:05,716
Katrina: So there's a couple
hot spots here in house.
467
00:18:05,718 --> 00:18:07,985
Jack's gonna start
in the da vinci room,
468
00:18:07,987 --> 00:18:09,821
I'm going to start
in the prague room,
469
00:18:09,823 --> 00:18:12,990
and see what kind of results
we get from that.
470
00:18:12,992 --> 00:18:16,494
There are people that claim
a very strong male presence
471
00:18:16,496 --> 00:18:18,896
in the prague room,
and they feel watched.
472
00:18:18,898 --> 00:18:28,539
♪♪
473
00:18:28,541 --> 00:18:32,243
I'm gonna leave this right here.
474
00:18:32,245 --> 00:18:33,511
[ beeping ]
475
00:18:33,513 --> 00:18:37,715
all right, if anyone's in this
room, any spirits,
476
00:18:37,717 --> 00:18:42,753
any entities, make the light
change on this device.
477
00:18:42,755 --> 00:18:46,757
Just get close to it,
and you see if you touch it...
478
00:18:46,759 --> 00:18:49,727
[ beeping ]
479
00:18:49,729 --> 00:18:52,063
...It'll change, so do that.
480
00:18:53,133 --> 00:18:55,766
So I'll probably just start off
with a voice session here.
481
00:18:55,768 --> 00:18:58,035
See if anything talks through.
482
00:18:58,037 --> 00:19:01,339
Maybe it can give me some
answers as to the questions
483
00:19:01,341 --> 00:19:02,940
surrounding this room
484
00:19:02,942 --> 00:19:06,043
or at least lead me
to where I need to go.
485
00:19:06,045 --> 00:19:10,481
So I'm gonna talk to whoever
is in this room, specifically.
486
00:19:10,483 --> 00:19:12,283
Chris, who owns
the building now,
487
00:19:12,285 --> 00:19:14,252
he'd really like
to know who you are.
488
00:19:17,957 --> 00:19:21,192
Can you tell me who the man
is in this room?
489
00:19:21,194 --> 00:19:24,562
This is a communication device.
You talk to me through this.
490
00:19:24,564 --> 00:19:28,099
♪♪
491
00:19:28,101 --> 00:19:30,768
[ beeping ]
492
00:19:30,770 --> 00:19:33,371
jack:
That's a temperature change.
493
00:19:34,574 --> 00:19:36,207
That's very odd.
494
00:19:36,209 --> 00:19:38,676
♪♪
495
00:19:38,678 --> 00:19:42,313
[ beeping ]
496
00:19:42,315 --> 00:19:47,919
♪♪
497
00:19:47,921 --> 00:19:50,655
all right, the rem pod
just began to get triggered
498
00:19:50,657 --> 00:19:52,089
from temperature.
499
00:19:52,091 --> 00:19:57,061
It is a drafty house,
but I'm just --
500
00:19:57,063 --> 00:19:59,497
I'm not feeling like a draft
come through here.
501
00:19:59,499 --> 00:20:02,300
I shut the curtain, and I reset
the temperature gauge.
502
00:20:02,302 --> 00:20:06,571
So if it still plummets,
something to watch out for.
503
00:20:08,908 --> 00:20:11,209
Whose bedroom am I in?
504
00:20:11,744 --> 00:20:13,811
Is it mr. Patterson?
505
00:20:13,813 --> 00:20:18,883
♪♪
506
00:20:23,556 --> 00:20:25,823
is it patterson
that comes to this room?
507
00:20:25,825 --> 00:20:27,558
Mr. Patterson?
508
00:20:30,096 --> 00:20:32,296
Yes.
509
00:20:32,298 --> 00:20:34,732
Okay.
510
00:20:34,734 --> 00:20:37,702
Senator patterson,
why do you come to this room?
511
00:20:41,207 --> 00:20:43,341
Do you like to be
on the third floor?
512
00:20:43,343 --> 00:20:48,579
♪♪
513
00:20:48,581 --> 00:20:50,181
how are you still with us?
514
00:20:50,917 --> 00:20:53,384
I'm talking to maybe patterson?
515
00:20:53,386 --> 00:20:57,054
♪♪
516
00:20:57,056 --> 00:21:00,324
seems like very random things
coming through right now.
517
00:21:01,294 --> 00:21:03,628
Okay, so you've seen
the temperature shift.
518
00:21:03,630 --> 00:21:06,397
Can you do it
when I ask you to?
519
00:21:06,399 --> 00:21:08,466
I'm going to ask you
a question,
520
00:21:08,468 --> 00:21:12,670
and make that beep
like you've been doing.
521
00:21:13,940 --> 00:21:17,108
Did you die in this house?
522
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:18,943
Are you a male?
523
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,580
Are you female?
524
00:21:22,749 --> 00:21:25,116
[ beeping ]
525
00:21:25,118 --> 00:21:26,917
that thing's going off.
526
00:21:26,919 --> 00:21:29,220
[ beeping continues ]
527
00:21:31,624 --> 00:21:33,257
did you used to live here?
528
00:21:37,497 --> 00:21:40,431
I don't know what to make of it,
but it did seem like
529
00:21:40,433 --> 00:21:43,601
there was some intelligent
kind of responses
530
00:21:43,603 --> 00:21:44,769
coming through.
531
00:21:44,771 --> 00:21:47,905
I'd ask a question,
and then it would seem...
532
00:21:47,907 --> 00:21:49,106
[ beeping ]
533
00:21:49,108 --> 00:21:51,542
like now.
534
00:21:51,544 --> 00:21:54,145
Who are you?
535
00:21:54,147 --> 00:21:56,414
Was that tulleen?
536
00:21:56,416 --> 00:21:58,516
Katherine?
537
00:22:01,888 --> 00:22:03,888
Yeah, I think maybe I want
to go out into the hallway,
538
00:22:03,890 --> 00:22:05,222
bring the rem pod there,
539
00:22:05,224 --> 00:22:06,924
and we'll see what we
pick up in the hallway.
540
00:22:06,926 --> 00:22:13,664
♪♪
541
00:22:13,666 --> 00:22:16,167
all right, heart of the house.
542
00:22:16,169 --> 00:22:21,072
♪♪
543
00:22:21,074 --> 00:22:23,007
got my rem pod sat right here.
544
00:22:23,009 --> 00:22:28,379
♪♪
545
00:22:28,381 --> 00:22:31,449
make that rem pod light up.
We're in the heart of the house.
546
00:22:34,187 --> 00:22:36,921
Everyone said this is
where it all happens.
547
00:22:36,923 --> 00:22:43,561
♪♪
548
00:22:43,563 --> 00:22:50,134
♪♪
549
00:22:50,136 --> 00:22:52,103
the thought is when
you relax your gaze
550
00:22:52,105 --> 00:22:55,172
and you kind of just like
sink into your focus,
551
00:22:55,174 --> 00:22:57,875
people believe that entities
or messages or visions
552
00:22:57,877 --> 00:22:59,810
can come through to you.
553
00:23:01,481 --> 00:23:02,847
So this is scrying.
554
00:23:02,849 --> 00:23:04,849
Basically, you just look
at yourself in the mirror
555
00:23:04,851 --> 00:23:07,785
or you look at a fixed object
in the reflection of the mirror,
556
00:23:07,787 --> 00:23:10,054
and you just relax your gaze.
557
00:23:10,056 --> 00:23:13,157
♪♪
558
00:23:19,565 --> 00:23:21,165
you just hear that?
559
00:23:27,540 --> 00:23:28,906
♪♪
560
00:23:28,908 --> 00:23:32,443
is that someone [bleep] walking
in the basement?
561
00:23:32,445 --> 00:23:34,378
Did you just [bleep] hear that?
562
00:23:38,084 --> 00:23:42,353
♪♪
563
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,894
is that someone [bleep]
walking in the basement?
564
00:23:49,896 --> 00:23:51,796
Did you just [bleep]
hear that?
565
00:23:52,965 --> 00:23:56,033
Katrina, I'm hearing
positive footsteps
566
00:23:56,035 --> 00:23:57,668
in the basement right now.
567
00:23:59,872 --> 00:24:02,006
You're hearing footsteps
in the basement?
568
00:24:02,008 --> 00:24:04,975
Yeah. I mean, that was
clear as day.
569
00:24:04,977 --> 00:24:06,510
All right.
I'm coming to you.
570
00:24:08,047 --> 00:24:10,681
That was [bleep]
loud and scary.
571
00:24:10,683 --> 00:24:20,491
♪♪
572
00:24:20,493 --> 00:24:23,294
clear as day.
I just heard...
573
00:24:23,296 --> 00:24:26,764
[ stomping feet ]
574
00:24:26,766 --> 00:24:27,932
did it sound like
on the staircase?
575
00:24:27,934 --> 00:24:31,001
It sounded like
it was in the parlor.
576
00:24:31,003 --> 00:24:32,470
♪♪
577
00:24:34,673 --> 00:24:36,941
♪♪
578
00:24:36,943 --> 00:24:38,542
do we want to go down
to the basement?
579
00:24:38,544 --> 00:24:40,044
I think we should go
to the basement.
580
00:24:40,046 --> 00:24:41,846
You're hearing footsteps?
Let's do it.
581
00:24:41,848 --> 00:24:44,615
Jack: You know,
hearing those footsteps
582
00:24:44,617 --> 00:24:46,851
get me fired up a little bit.
583
00:24:46,853 --> 00:24:48,252
I don't know what
to make of it,
584
00:24:48,254 --> 00:24:50,254
but it's creepy here.
585
00:24:50,256 --> 00:24:51,589
It feels weird down here.
586
00:24:51,591 --> 00:24:52,590
Yeah.
587
00:24:52,592 --> 00:24:53,757
Ooh, yeah.
588
00:24:53,759 --> 00:24:55,159
Ooh, ooh, yeah.
589
00:24:56,362 --> 00:24:58,629
Mm-hmm.
590
00:24:58,631 --> 00:24:59,730
Yeah,
it's a little tingly.
591
00:24:59,732 --> 00:25:02,933
Huh?
Yeah. Just a bit.
592
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:08,138
Is patterson and here?
Senator patterson?
593
00:25:08,140 --> 00:25:12,076
Oh, I just got the chills,
big time, big time.
594
00:25:16,749 --> 00:25:19,149
Oh, I do not like it
down here.
595
00:25:19,151 --> 00:25:21,452
No?
No.
596
00:25:24,824 --> 00:25:26,924
Who was walking
around down here?
597
00:25:29,629 --> 00:25:31,529
Could you walk around
for us some more,
598
00:25:31,531 --> 00:25:34,164
make some more footsteps
that we can hear?
599
00:25:34,166 --> 00:25:38,936
♪♪
600
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,941
I thought I heard "sudan"
come through, by the way.
601
00:25:43,943 --> 00:25:45,442
Yeah, I heard that.
602
00:25:45,444 --> 00:25:47,311
It's really clear.
603
00:25:47,313 --> 00:25:48,812
Tulleen?
604
00:25:50,816 --> 00:25:53,183
Tulleen, are you
down here with us?
605
00:25:56,255 --> 00:25:58,188
Nurse.
606
00:25:58,357 --> 00:26:01,292
Tulleen sudan,
she was a nurse.
607
00:26:02,562 --> 00:26:03,494
Yeah, that would
608
00:26:03,496 --> 00:26:04,862
have been tulleen.
Yeah.
609
00:26:04,864 --> 00:26:11,368
♪♪
610
00:26:11,370 --> 00:26:17,875
♪♪
611
00:26:17,877 --> 00:26:20,511
who's down here
with us right now?
612
00:26:20,513 --> 00:26:24,348
Can you bang on something?
Knock a wall?
613
00:26:24,350 --> 00:26:31,221
♪♪
614
00:26:31,223 --> 00:26:33,557
tulleen?
615
00:26:34,994 --> 00:26:37,227
"yes, ma'am."
616
00:26:37,229 --> 00:26:39,763
where do we go to
talk to you better?
617
00:26:44,437 --> 00:26:46,170
"this house."
618
00:26:46,772 --> 00:26:49,440
do you mean anywhere
in the house?
619
00:26:51,844 --> 00:26:53,377
I heard
"the bathroom."
620
00:26:53,379 --> 00:26:54,411
the bathroom?
621
00:26:54,413 --> 00:26:55,546
Yeah, the bathroom.
622
00:26:55,548 --> 00:26:57,114
Which bathroom?
623
00:26:57,116 --> 00:26:58,782
I wonder if they're
talking about
624
00:26:58,784 --> 00:26:59,950
the royale bathroom.
625
00:26:59,952 --> 00:27:02,252
If we keep getting
things connected to tulleen.
626
00:27:02,254 --> 00:27:04,221
And that's where that one
psychic really felt that
627
00:27:04,223 --> 00:27:05,723
that suicide happened.
628
00:27:05,725 --> 00:27:09,293
She took two steps in the
bathroom and just doubled over.
629
00:27:09,295 --> 00:27:11,395
And she said,
"there's a woman that died here.
630
00:27:11,397 --> 00:27:14,498
She committed suicide.
And it was some sort of gas.
631
00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:15,866
And you're feeling
the effects of that.
632
00:27:15,868 --> 00:27:17,201
It will pass."
633
00:27:17,203 --> 00:27:18,969
maybe we should
check that out.
634
00:27:18,971 --> 00:27:20,671
You know, either confirm it
or rule it out.
635
00:27:20,673 --> 00:27:21,639
Yeah.
636
00:27:21,641 --> 00:27:22,973
'cause something's
weird happening.
637
00:27:22,975 --> 00:27:24,575
They're claiming that's
where she killed herself.
638
00:27:24,577 --> 00:27:27,678
There's proof she did die
here from suicide.
639
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,580
Since we've started
ghost box sessions,
640
00:27:29,582 --> 00:27:31,415
we keep having things
that seem to be connected
641
00:27:31,417 --> 00:27:32,850
to tulleen come through.
642
00:27:32,852 --> 00:27:34,451
I mean, if we're taking
a look collectively
643
00:27:34,453 --> 00:27:36,720
at everything we've had so far,
it would make sense.
644
00:27:36,722 --> 00:27:40,290
So it's either her
or somebody talking about her.
645
00:27:40,292 --> 00:27:50,267
♪♪
646
00:27:50,269 --> 00:27:51,902
it's cold in here.
647
00:27:51,904 --> 00:27:53,671
Yeah.
648
00:27:53,673 --> 00:28:02,312
♪♪
649
00:28:02,314 --> 00:28:04,648
is tulleen sudan here?
650
00:28:07,987 --> 00:28:10,487
Is anyone here with us
right now?
651
00:28:10,489 --> 00:28:13,590
♪♪
652
00:28:15,394 --> 00:28:16,727
poison?
653
00:28:16,729 --> 00:28:18,495
Whoa, I heard that.
654
00:28:24,303 --> 00:28:26,937
Is anyone here
with us right now?
655
00:28:26,939 --> 00:28:30,474
♪♪
656
00:28:31,844 --> 00:28:33,243
poison?
657
00:28:33,245 --> 00:28:35,946
Whoa, I heard that.
658
00:28:35,948 --> 00:28:38,482
Can you tell us why?
659
00:28:39,819 --> 00:28:41,752
What do you
want us to know?
660
00:28:41,754 --> 00:28:45,489
♪♪
661
00:28:47,493 --> 00:28:49,226
"she died here."
yeah, I heard that.
662
00:28:49,228 --> 00:28:51,195
-That's what it just said?
-Yeah. "she died here."
663
00:28:51,197 --> 00:28:52,663
I heard that.
664
00:28:52,665 --> 00:28:55,265
Jordan: Archer sudan owned
the house, and his first wife,
665
00:28:55,267 --> 00:28:57,434
tulleen sudan,
killed herself in the house.
666
00:28:57,436 --> 00:29:00,137
And it says cyanogas.
She killed herself.
667
00:29:00,139 --> 00:29:02,139
What drove her
to kill herself?
668
00:29:06,612 --> 00:29:08,979
Is there
a dark energy here?
669
00:29:08,981 --> 00:29:16,954
♪♪
670
00:29:18,124 --> 00:29:19,957
it's weird. It seemed like
it died down here.
671
00:29:19,959 --> 00:29:22,092
Yeah.
Feels different.
672
00:29:22,094 --> 00:29:23,393
Yeah.
673
00:29:23,395 --> 00:29:25,996
Jack: I mean, whatever is coming
through on the geo port,
674
00:29:25,998 --> 00:29:27,931
we're getting really
intelligent responses,
675
00:29:27,933 --> 00:29:31,068
so I'm hoping to maybe get
some clarity to what's going on.
676
00:29:31,070 --> 00:29:32,603
Do you want me to run down
and get cindy?
677
00:29:32,605 --> 00:29:34,404
Okay, yeah,
that sounds good.
678
00:29:34,406 --> 00:29:37,307
♪♪
679
00:29:37,309 --> 00:29:39,676
so right now, our friend
and psychic medium,
680
00:29:39,678 --> 00:29:41,411
cindy kaza, has arrived.
681
00:29:41,413 --> 00:29:42,546
You ready to roll?
Yep.
682
00:29:42,548 --> 00:29:43,647
All right.
683
00:29:43,649 --> 00:29:45,249
We're going to see
if she can validate
684
00:29:45,251 --> 00:29:47,618
our experiences
that we've had so far.
685
00:29:47,620 --> 00:29:50,487
We still have some holes.
We still have some questions.
686
00:29:50,489 --> 00:29:53,257
And I feel like she's kind of,
I'm looking at her right now
687
00:29:53,259 --> 00:29:55,559
as our glue
to put our puzzle together.
688
00:29:55,561 --> 00:29:57,427
We just want
to set you loose.
689
00:29:57,429 --> 00:29:59,830
Ooh, alright.
And just...
690
00:29:59,832 --> 00:30:01,732
Let you kind of
take the lead almost.
691
00:30:01,734 --> 00:30:03,834
I want to go upstairs.
Okay.
692
00:30:03,836 --> 00:30:05,435
Yeah.
693
00:30:05,437 --> 00:30:15,445
♪♪
694
00:30:15,447 --> 00:30:18,582
there's just
a lot in this house.
695
00:30:18,584 --> 00:30:20,751
The house itself
feels possessed,
696
00:30:20,753 --> 00:30:22,419
for lack of a better term.
697
00:30:22,421 --> 00:30:25,522
There's definitely
a portal here.
698
00:30:25,524 --> 00:30:27,224
That's for damn sure.
699
00:30:27,226 --> 00:30:28,425
Do you know
where it is?
700
00:30:28,427 --> 00:30:30,627
It feels like the whole house
is a portal.
701
00:30:32,665 --> 00:30:34,731
Where do you want
to go from here?
702
00:30:34,733 --> 00:30:36,633
Um...
703
00:30:36,635 --> 00:30:38,135
I want to go --
I'm gonna just leave.
704
00:30:38,137 --> 00:30:39,703
I'm just gonna
go this way.
705
00:30:39,705 --> 00:30:46,810
♪♪
706
00:30:46,812 --> 00:30:48,912
okay, um...
707
00:30:51,217 --> 00:30:52,749
Uh...
708
00:30:52,751 --> 00:30:55,485
Has anybody seen a woman
that walks across this hallway?
709
00:30:55,487 --> 00:30:56,920
Because she's here.
710
00:30:56,922 --> 00:30:59,323
Do people say they see
something on the stairs?
711
00:30:59,325 --> 00:31:01,158
I've heard that before.
712
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,527
Out of my periphery,
I saw, like,
713
00:31:03,529 --> 00:31:05,362
it just looked like someone
with their arm on the rail
714
00:31:05,364 --> 00:31:06,597
just looking down.
715
00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:08,432
Someone was watching us.
716
00:31:08,434 --> 00:31:11,068
She likes to sit
on the couch
717
00:31:11,070 --> 00:31:13,170
and just walk
back and forth.
718
00:31:15,474 --> 00:31:16,874
I can just feel her here.
719
00:31:16,876 --> 00:31:19,276
She's just very connected
to this space.
720
00:31:19,278 --> 00:31:20,277
Okay.
721
00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:28,752
♪♪
722
00:31:28,754 --> 00:31:31,355
the man -- there's a man
who died of a heart attack
723
00:31:31,357 --> 00:31:33,757
in this house
because as I walk in here,
724
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:36,960
I see the man dropping dead
of a massive heart attack,
725
00:31:36,962 --> 00:31:38,462
just falling to the floor.
726
00:31:38,464 --> 00:31:39,963
Bam.
727
00:31:39,965 --> 00:31:42,499
Chiari: Senator patterson
likely passed in that room.
728
00:31:42,501 --> 00:31:43,734
Katrina:
Of a heart attack, right?
729
00:31:43,736 --> 00:31:44,668
Right.
730
00:31:44,670 --> 00:31:46,036
He died so fast
that I feel like
731
00:31:46,038 --> 00:31:48,739
he didn't even realize
that he died.
732
00:31:48,741 --> 00:31:52,276
So he's kind of wandering
around, like, not really sure
733
00:31:52,278 --> 00:31:56,113
how he got to the other side
because it was so fast.
734
00:31:56,115 --> 00:31:57,881
And he hangs out in this house.
735
00:31:57,883 --> 00:31:59,549
He's very active
in his house.
736
00:31:59,551 --> 00:32:00,751
And is he a good spirit?
737
00:32:00,753 --> 00:32:03,220
He's fine.
Like, he's not a problem.
738
00:32:03,222 --> 00:32:05,155
He's actually
quite charming.
739
00:32:05,157 --> 00:32:06,390
Alright.
740
00:32:06,392 --> 00:32:12,129
♪♪
741
00:32:12,131 --> 00:32:17,801
♪♪
742
00:32:17,803 --> 00:32:20,971
what is this?
A watchtower?
743
00:32:24,777 --> 00:32:26,910
Can I ask you
a very specific question...
744
00:32:26,912 --> 00:32:28,145
Yes.
...In this room?
745
00:32:28,147 --> 00:32:29,680
There are rumors
that these dogs
746
00:32:29,682 --> 00:32:33,050
jumped out of this tower room
to commit suicide.
747
00:32:33,385 --> 00:32:37,554
Are you picking up
anything relating to why
748
00:32:37,556 --> 00:32:39,423
or what caused that?
749
00:32:40,793 --> 00:32:42,326
You know,
I honestly have to tell you,
750
00:32:42,328 --> 00:32:44,227
I don't think that
that was paranormal.
751
00:32:44,229 --> 00:32:45,796
So you feel like it was,
like, a human person?
752
00:32:45,798 --> 00:32:48,298
Yeah, I feel like it has
to do with a human
753
00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:49,599
or something scared them.
754
00:32:49,601 --> 00:32:50,901
And that's what it was.
755
00:32:50,903 --> 00:32:53,370
I don't think
it's a ghost or an entity
756
00:32:53,372 --> 00:32:54,538
that did that.
757
00:32:54,540 --> 00:32:55,572
Katrina: Okay.
758
00:32:55,574 --> 00:32:57,507
Was there a woman
who isolated herself
759
00:32:57,509 --> 00:33:00,043
for months on end?
760
00:33:00,045 --> 00:33:03,180
Can you hone in
a little bit more?
761
00:33:03,182 --> 00:33:04,848
The man who had
the heart attack,
762
00:33:04,850 --> 00:33:06,416
that's her husband.
763
00:33:06,418 --> 00:33:09,186
So his wife, katherine.
764
00:33:09,188 --> 00:33:12,322
That's who it is.
She's here.
765
00:33:12,324 --> 00:33:13,991
She's the lady of the house.
766
00:33:13,993 --> 00:33:15,993
Okay.
The lady of the house.
767
00:33:19,465 --> 00:33:21,832
She's got unfinished
business with some things
768
00:33:21,834 --> 00:33:24,668
that happened in her life
when she lived in this house.
769
00:33:24,670 --> 00:33:25,902
So that's
why she's here?
770
00:33:25,904 --> 00:33:27,137
That's why
I feel she's here.
771
00:33:27,139 --> 00:33:29,172
Has anybody seen her
staring out the window?
772
00:33:29,174 --> 00:33:30,273
Yeah.
773
00:33:30,275 --> 00:33:33,110
My first paranormal
experience was a ghost
774
00:33:33,112 --> 00:33:34,878
up there in this tower.
775
00:33:36,181 --> 00:33:38,982
People can see her
staring at the window.
776
00:33:38,984 --> 00:33:41,852
But it's not that
she's trapped in that space.
777
00:33:41,854 --> 00:33:43,186
-Okay.
-She just comes for
778
00:33:43,188 --> 00:33:44,821
a looksy-loo.
-Yeah.
779
00:33:44,823 --> 00:33:48,458
Because she wants people
to acknowledge her presence
780
00:33:48,460 --> 00:33:50,360
because he didn't do that
as much as you should have.
781
00:33:50,362 --> 00:33:52,796
Mm.
Right.
782
00:33:52,798 --> 00:33:55,332
All right.
Let's go to the cellar.
783
00:33:55,334 --> 00:34:01,671
♪♪
784
00:34:01,673 --> 00:34:03,974
jack:
I don't like it down here.
785
00:34:06,745 --> 00:34:10,447
Katrina: So we have some
very specific questions for you.
786
00:34:10,449 --> 00:34:14,317
You've touched on some tragedy,
some sadness in the space.
787
00:34:14,319 --> 00:34:17,087
There is documentation of
a woman committing suicide
788
00:34:17,089 --> 00:34:18,221
in 1950.
789
00:34:18,223 --> 00:34:20,557
I feel like
that's the woman upstairs.
790
00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:21,958
This is the staircase,
of course.
791
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,493
Felt like someone
walked up behind them.
792
00:34:23,495 --> 00:34:25,796
Katrina: Yeah, I'm not
surprised about that.
793
00:34:25,798 --> 00:34:27,197
You can feel it
when you go up the steps.
794
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:30,000
She likes to walk
back and forth.
795
00:34:30,002 --> 00:34:31,701
Are you sure
she killed herself?
796
00:34:31,703 --> 00:34:33,737
Because I really
don't feel suicide.
797
00:34:37,676 --> 00:34:39,443
Cindy: Are you sure
she killed herself?
798
00:34:39,445 --> 00:34:41,511
Because I really don't
feel suicide.
799
00:34:41,513 --> 00:34:42,879
Can I give you a name?
100%.
800
00:34:42,881 --> 00:34:43,947
Sure.
See if it taps in?
801
00:34:43,949 --> 00:34:46,516
Tulleen.
Tulleen?
802
00:34:49,288 --> 00:34:52,656
Cindy was using a technique
called automatic writing.
803
00:34:52,658 --> 00:34:56,460
It's almost like just verbalize
what you are hearing.
804
00:34:56,462 --> 00:34:58,195
It's you just write it,
and, you know,
805
00:34:58,197 --> 00:35:00,197
she kind of says she has
no control over her hand
806
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:02,199
and just whatever
comes out comes out.
807
00:35:03,869 --> 00:35:06,536
Okay, that's interesting.
So here's the thing.
808
00:35:06,538 --> 00:35:09,306
I just heard,
"I did do it, but he helped me."
809
00:35:09,308 --> 00:35:11,775
so there's somebody
who helped her do it.
810
00:35:11,777 --> 00:35:15,445
There's got to be somebody
who either got her
811
00:35:15,447 --> 00:35:18,048
something to do it
or knew she was going to do it.
812
00:35:18,050 --> 00:35:19,683
Can you ask her who?
813
00:35:21,587 --> 00:35:23,920
"he got the --" well,
I'm writing "medicine."
814
00:35:23,922 --> 00:35:25,255
that's what I'm hearing --
"medicine."
815
00:35:25,257 --> 00:35:26,590
but it obviously
wasn't medicine.
816
00:35:26,592 --> 00:35:28,859
So there's a man who worked here
who helped her do it.
817
00:35:28,861 --> 00:35:31,128
So she did do it,
but she had help.
818
00:35:32,197 --> 00:35:33,196
Okay.
819
00:35:33,198 --> 00:35:34,598
Her husband was a doctor,
yeah.
820
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,333
And she was a nurse.
821
00:35:36,335 --> 00:35:38,268
No [bleep]
822
00:35:38,270 --> 00:35:41,738
he had a part in her death.
There's more to the story.
823
00:35:41,740 --> 00:35:45,442
Would the owners of the house
be targeted in a way
824
00:35:45,444 --> 00:35:49,112
of having bad luck
or tragedy?
825
00:35:49,114 --> 00:35:51,581
A lot of times it becomes
a psychological thing
826
00:35:51,583 --> 00:35:56,019
where people believe that
they're living in a curse place
827
00:35:56,021 --> 00:35:58,788
or a possessed place,
and then that's creating
828
00:35:58,790 --> 00:36:02,325
all of the bad luck
that happens in their lives.
829
00:36:02,327 --> 00:36:08,031
But I do feel there's something
in the walls of this house
830
00:36:08,033 --> 00:36:13,036
that could potentially create
some negative circumstances
831
00:36:13,038 --> 00:36:14,804
for the people that live here.
832
00:36:14,806 --> 00:36:20,343
I feel this place
has always been a portal.
833
00:36:24,316 --> 00:36:26,149
You definitely helped us
fill some holes in.
834
00:36:26,151 --> 00:36:27,751
Yeah. Good.
835
00:36:27,753 --> 00:36:30,654
I think cindy's reading
validates a lot of the history
836
00:36:30,656 --> 00:36:33,356
that we know, but also
more clarity of what
837
00:36:33,358 --> 00:36:35,058
spirits are believed to be here.
838
00:36:35,060 --> 00:36:37,694
And I think we have a lot
to take to chris.
839
00:36:37,696 --> 00:36:43,867
♪♪
840
00:36:43,869 --> 00:36:50,106
♪♪
841
00:36:50,108 --> 00:36:51,408
how was your
evening?
842
00:36:51,410 --> 00:36:53,376
Chiari: My evening was good.
How was your evening?
843
00:36:53,378 --> 00:36:56,313
Eventful.
Lots of things happened.
844
00:36:56,315 --> 00:36:57,847
Have you guys
ever heard walking
845
00:36:57,849 --> 00:36:59,516
in the basement
or around the basement
846
00:36:59,518 --> 00:37:00,684
when you've
been up here?
847
00:37:00,686 --> 00:37:02,252
Well, upstairs
hearing downstairs,
848
00:37:02,254 --> 00:37:03,920
I have
no experience there.
849
00:37:03,922 --> 00:37:05,355
I'm gonna play
you something.
850
00:37:05,357 --> 00:37:07,557
I was right here
in front of the mirror.
851
00:37:07,659 --> 00:37:10,660
[ static ]
852
00:37:10,662 --> 00:37:14,598
[ tapping ]
853
00:37:15,267 --> 00:37:16,933
did you hear it?
I did.
854
00:37:16,935 --> 00:37:18,168
Katrina:
Is that explainable?
855
00:37:18,170 --> 00:37:20,537
Uh, no.
But I've heard that
856
00:37:20,539 --> 00:37:22,239
the basement's really active.
Yeah.
857
00:37:22,241 --> 00:37:24,507
But actually
hearing footsteps.
858
00:37:24,509 --> 00:37:27,644
Yeah, it sound like someone
with like fancy shoes...
859
00:37:27,646 --> 00:37:29,646
[ chuckles ]
...Just walking.
860
00:37:29,648 --> 00:37:30,981
We met with
ann and jordan.
861
00:37:30,983 --> 00:37:32,015
Have you met
with them before?
862
00:37:32,017 --> 00:37:33,450
I have not.
You have not? Okay.
863
00:37:33,452 --> 00:37:35,752
Okay, so they did
a hell of a lot
864
00:37:35,754 --> 00:37:37,187
of research
on this place.
865
00:37:37,189 --> 00:37:38,622
They actually wrote
a book about it.
866
00:37:38,624 --> 00:37:40,657
They were able to confirm
one suicide in the house
867
00:37:40,659 --> 00:37:42,993
that would have been
in the upstairs bathroom
868
00:37:42,995 --> 00:37:45,495
on the second floor
in a royale room.
869
00:37:45,497 --> 00:37:47,464
Tulleen sudan.
870
00:37:47,466 --> 00:37:50,367
Okay.
So they had a copy
871
00:37:50,369 --> 00:37:52,669
of her
death certificate.
872
00:37:55,907 --> 00:37:57,507
We do know
she committed suicide.
873
00:37:57,509 --> 00:37:59,342
She was 48
when she did it.
874
00:37:59,344 --> 00:38:02,379
She did it by mixing
a couple chemicals together
875
00:38:02,381 --> 00:38:04,414
and inhaling the gas.
876
00:38:04,416 --> 00:38:06,583
One of the pieces
of equipment we used,
877
00:38:06,585 --> 00:38:09,185
they're called ghost boxes
or voice boxes.
878
00:38:09,187 --> 00:38:11,221
Surprisingly, we kept
getting those name sudan
879
00:38:11,223 --> 00:38:12,656
come through.
880
00:38:16,061 --> 00:38:18,561
I thought I heard "sudan"
come through, by the way.
881
00:38:18,563 --> 00:38:19,863
Yeah, I heard it.
Yeah, I heard that.
882
00:38:19,865 --> 00:38:21,231
It was really clear.
883
00:38:21,233 --> 00:38:24,634
We did bring in cindy kaza,
who's a psychic medium,
884
00:38:24,636 --> 00:38:27,837
and she was hitting on things
that were fascinating.
885
00:38:27,839 --> 00:38:30,674
I don't feel
she killed herself
886
00:38:30,676 --> 00:38:34,477
or something else that --
it was reported incorrectly
887
00:38:34,479 --> 00:38:36,546
or things
were covered up.
888
00:38:36,548 --> 00:38:38,448
She kept saying,
"there's more to the story,
889
00:38:38,450 --> 00:38:40,483
this woman did not
commit suicide."
890
00:38:40,485 --> 00:38:41,951
and we were like, "well,
what do you mean by that?"
891
00:38:41,953 --> 00:38:44,087
and she's like,
"she keeps talking about
892
00:38:44,089 --> 00:38:45,255
the medicine,
the medicine."
893
00:38:45,257 --> 00:38:46,423
somebody gave her
the medicine.
894
00:38:46,425 --> 00:38:48,491
And then she either
knowingly took it
895
00:38:48,493 --> 00:38:51,628
to commit suicide or she did not
know what she was doing.
896
00:38:51,630 --> 00:38:52,662
But she very much felt
897
00:38:52,664 --> 00:38:54,030
that there was
more to that story,
898
00:38:54,032 --> 00:38:57,233
and that's part of the reason
why you would experience
899
00:38:57,235 --> 00:38:58,968
tulleen here
in this house.
900
00:38:58,970 --> 00:39:00,337
And she feels like
that's the woman
901
00:39:00,339 --> 00:39:02,138
that people would see
on the stairs.
902
00:39:02,140 --> 00:39:04,574
Okay, that person likely
walking up behind people.
903
00:39:04,576 --> 00:39:06,976
Mm-hmm. She very much
feels like her.
904
00:39:06,978 --> 00:39:09,446
She likes to walk
back and forth.
905
00:39:09,448 --> 00:39:11,114
The other thing --
she does not believe
906
00:39:11,116 --> 00:39:13,383
the dog incident
was paranormal at all.
907
00:39:13,385 --> 00:39:14,584
No, she just believes
that they were, like,
908
00:39:14,586 --> 00:39:15,885
scared out of here
by someone
909
00:39:15,887 --> 00:39:17,854
who was, like, chasing them
and scaring them.
910
00:39:17,856 --> 00:39:19,389
You know, I honestly
have to tell you,
911
00:39:19,391 --> 00:39:20,924
I don't think that
that was paranormal.
912
00:39:20,926 --> 00:39:22,826
Yeah. So you feel like
it was like a human person?
913
00:39:22,828 --> 00:39:25,161
Yeah, I feel like
it has to do with a human
914
00:39:25,163 --> 00:39:26,963
or something
scared them.
915
00:39:26,965 --> 00:39:28,932
She said the interesting
thing about this place
916
00:39:28,934 --> 00:39:31,000
is that it is kind of like
a beacon or a portal
917
00:39:31,002 --> 00:39:32,102
or whatever
you want to call it,
918
00:39:32,104 --> 00:39:34,804
that spirits from all over
are drawn to it.
919
00:39:37,609 --> 00:39:38,608
It's almost like,
you know,
920
00:39:38,610 --> 00:39:39,976
the moth to the flame.
921
00:39:39,978 --> 00:39:42,479
They're drawn in, and they
don't necessarily know why.
922
00:39:42,481 --> 00:39:45,482
So it's just pulling and pulling
and pulling and pulling.
923
00:39:45,484 --> 00:39:47,450
I was hoping for
katherine or thomas.
924
00:39:47,452 --> 00:39:49,919
Well, so actually I did
get thomas to come through
925
00:39:49,921 --> 00:39:51,421
when I was in
the prague room.
926
00:39:51,423 --> 00:39:53,590
When cindy started
to dive in on that,
927
00:39:53,592 --> 00:39:55,458
she also felt like
both of them were here.
928
00:39:55,460 --> 00:39:57,394
She immediately picked up
on katherine,
929
00:39:57,396 --> 00:39:59,462
who she very strongly
believes is here.
930
00:39:59,464 --> 00:40:02,899
And she believes that's who
you saw on your first day here.
931
00:40:02,901 --> 00:40:04,334
Okay.
And that katherine is
932
00:40:04,336 --> 00:40:05,502
kind of the woman
of the house.
933
00:40:05,504 --> 00:40:09,672
You know?
I believe that myself, so...
934
00:40:09,674 --> 00:40:11,374
We asked about
the bad luck.
935
00:40:11,376 --> 00:40:12,575
Because it does
seem like there's
936
00:40:12,577 --> 00:40:14,077
a chain of bad luck here.
937
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:16,780
She thought it was
more psychological on,
938
00:40:16,782 --> 00:40:18,281
you know,
the owners' part.
939
00:40:18,283 --> 00:40:20,950
So meaning you
come into this house
940
00:40:20,952 --> 00:40:23,420
that's already charged,
maybe you have some bad luck.
941
00:40:23,422 --> 00:40:24,821
Maybe that gets
into your head.
942
00:40:24,823 --> 00:40:26,890
The next owner comes, already
has that in their head.
943
00:40:26,892 --> 00:40:29,325
And, you know, then
it's cyclical like that.
944
00:40:29,327 --> 00:40:31,060
So where you have
this paranormal activity,
945
00:40:31,062 --> 00:40:33,463
but then you'll also have
the psychological element,
946
00:40:33,465 --> 00:40:35,832
and they're kind of
feeding into each other.
947
00:40:35,834 --> 00:40:38,168
But I'm happy to hear that
the pattersons are still here.
948
00:40:38,170 --> 00:40:40,770
This is their house,
and it gives me
949
00:40:40,772 --> 00:40:42,972
a great privilege to know
that I'm the caretaker
950
00:40:42,974 --> 00:40:46,476
today for this legacy that's
120-plus years.
951
00:40:46,478 --> 00:40:48,778
And I hope it's still here
for 120 more.
952
00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:52,081
I hope they have the thrill
of walking these halls
953
00:40:52,083 --> 00:40:53,550
for as long as possible.
954
00:40:53,552 --> 00:40:54,918
I think that's great.
955
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,519
Sounds like you were just
the right owner to come in.
956
00:40:56,521 --> 00:40:57,620
Yeah.
957
00:40:57,622 --> 00:41:04,894
♪♪
958
00:41:04,896 --> 00:41:07,831
jack: I believe this hotel
is haunted by numerous spirits.
959
00:41:07,833 --> 00:41:09,799
Some of them made themselves
known to us
960
00:41:09,801 --> 00:41:11,835
through our investigation
last night.
961
00:41:11,837 --> 00:41:15,338
I think that there is a lot
of evidence to back that up.
962
00:41:16,475 --> 00:41:19,175
This is a straight up
haunted hotel.
963
00:41:19,177 --> 00:41:20,510
Croke-patterson?
964
00:41:20,512 --> 00:41:21,711
Definitely haunted.
965
00:41:21,713 --> 00:41:23,646
I would absolutely
say that.
966
00:41:23,648 --> 00:41:26,049
You know, something that
was coming up the whole time
967
00:41:26,051 --> 00:41:28,218
seemed to be portals.
It did.
968
00:41:28,220 --> 00:41:29,686
By all accounts,
a lot of people believe that
969
00:41:29,688 --> 00:41:30,920
this place has one.
970
00:41:30,922 --> 00:41:32,755
We've had so many
experiences that line up
971
00:41:32,757 --> 00:41:34,157
with other people's
experiences.
972
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:36,159
So what's to say
a portal isn't true?
973
00:41:36,161 --> 00:41:37,560
Absolutely.
Well, there you have it.
974
00:41:37,562 --> 00:41:38,661
Croke-patterson.
975
00:41:38,663 --> 00:41:40,463
I think this place
is a portal.
976
00:41:40,465 --> 00:41:42,599
We don't throw that title
around very often,
977
00:41:42,601 --> 00:41:44,868
but I think there
could be something here.
978
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:51,441
♪♪
979
00:41:51,443 --> 00:41:58,014
♪♪
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