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Narrator:
Tonight on beyond oak island...
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There are treasure stories on
every island in lake michigan.
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They were the freeways
of the time.
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Brian:
The gangs ran prohibition
from canada.
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You've got a huge
smuggling operation going on.
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Marty:
There's a story of big treasure
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somewhere near poverty island.
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They were carrying gold.
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Feldman:
Nobody's gonna go
looking for it
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'cause officially,
it never existed.
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Marty:
The treasure had
to be thrown overboard.
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-How much?
-$400 million.
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Bob:
That's poverty.
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Brian:
The sonar's scanning the bottom.
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-This is the spot?
-Right here.
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-This is a really good target.
-There we go.
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All the while
we were growing up,
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my brother and I
were fascinated
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with finding treasure.
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Rick:
Pirate treasure,
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cursed treasure.
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Civil war gold.
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-since then,
our work on oak island
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has shown us
there's a world of mysteries...
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-Whoa.
-...Waiting to be explored.
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Rick:
So, we like to reach out
to other treasure hunters.
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X marks the spot, right there.
Brilliant.
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-Marty: We want to hear
their stories...
-That's right.
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-...And share our insights.
-"ill-gotten gains."
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-rick: And who knows...
-Gary: I got it.
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...Maybe we can help them
with their search.
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Marty:
Not only in america.
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Wow. That is gold.
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-Rick: But all over the world.
-Yeah!
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Marty:
Beyond oak island.
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Matty: You know,
every time I'm in here,
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I'm just blown away
by the history.
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Rick:
Absolutely.
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There it is.
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Man, that reader's digest
article
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brought so many people here,
it's... It's unbelievable.
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Then I remember,
I-I just was enthralled with it.
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And told marty, of course,
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because you're-you're
in eighth grade.
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A treasure story?
I mean, come on.
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Who's not gonna
gravitate towards that?
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Marty:
I-I remember him
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explaining it to me, saying,
"look at this,
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look at this, look at this:
There are logs every ten feet."
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I go, "wow, there's got
to be something there."
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rick:
It's about unknowns
and-and looking for answers
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and the quest, if you will,
for knowledge.
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Did you guys already have
the-the passion
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for treasure hunting stories
and stuff at that point,
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or do you think
that launched it?
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Well, you know we had
the indian rock thing.
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-Ah.
-We called it the indian rock.
-Yeah.
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I-I think we-we knew
of the indian rock before this.
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Before this. Yeah, well,
I'm sure of it, rick.
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I was very, very young
when you and greg daniels
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were trying to move that thing.
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Rick:
We were treasure hunting
when we were
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knee-high to a grasshopper.
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There was a great big
giant stone up on the hill
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where we used to play ball, and
we called it the indian rock.
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Marty:
It had a piece of quartz
that went all the way around it,
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but it looked to us
like it was...
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Special.
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The whole community of boys
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were sure there was indian
treasure underneath it,
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if we could only move that rock.
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-Matty: Ah.
-We had no tools.
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We would have to sneak
dad's s-single shovel
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-out of the garage.
-Yeah, that's right.
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-Matty: See, now, that...
-And hope we didn't break it.
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-Marty: Right.
-Right. That indicates to me
maybe you guys
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had read some treasure stories,
because to have that instinct,
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-"underneath this
might lie treasure..."
-we had...
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-We had certainly read
treasure island.
-Rick: Of course.
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-Matty: Right.
-Rick: But when I read a story,
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I could see it in my mind,
with the colors
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and the-- like treasure island,
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I'd walked the paths,
I'd see the stones.
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I'd w-- look at the markers.
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-You could literally lock it
in your mind.
-Yes.
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And that's kind of
what that article did.
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I think that's
what separates the people
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who, it's sufficient
just to read about it
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and say, "yes,
that's very interesting,"
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and then the others who kind of
immerse themselves in the story
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-and want to become
a part of it.
-Right.
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Do you remember--
y-you're growing up,
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you're loving these tales
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and you're getting
more interested in it,
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do you remember
hearing anything,
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I don't know, even locally,
that might have captured
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your imagination in terms of
treasure or anything like that?
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Well, michigan has
a lot of treasure stories.
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Particularly involving islands,
and-and honestly,
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quite a few
on the mainland, too.
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Absolutely.
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Narrator:
The state of michigan,
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also known
as "the great lakes state,"
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is home to more than
400 lost treasure mysteries,
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both on land and deep under
the vast waters surrounding it.
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One of the most infamous
revolves around
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a 17th-century
french trading ship
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that was the largest
of its time, the griffon.
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On September 18, 1679,
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the griffon vanished
without a trace
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in the northern region
of lake michigan,
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along with six crewmen
and a fortune in goods.
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To this day, it is considered
the holy grail
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of michigan shipwrecks
because of how elusive
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it has remained
to determined searchers
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and treasure hunters
for more than three centuries.
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Another notorious legend
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about missing midwest treasure
began in 1874,
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when $74,000 in gold coins--
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worth $20 million
in today's dollars--
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was reportedly buried along the
shores of scenic benton lake,
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some 50 miles north
of the city of muskegon.
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Branton:
A stagecoach was
delivering the payload
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to a lumbermen's camp up there,
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and they got robbed
along the way.
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-Hands up! Give me that thing!
-Hands up! Do it!
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The robbers had taken
so much in gold coins
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off the stagecoach,
and they buried them
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in a potbelly stove
in benton lake...
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...And it's never
been discovered to this day.
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Narrator:
But one of michigan's
most valuable
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and legendary treasure mysteries
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is set deep in the wilderness
on the keweenaw peninsula.
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It is known simply
as the wall of silver.
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In 1927, jake stockard,
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a geologist conducting
a field study,
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discovered what he claimed
to be the entrance
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to an abandoned mine.
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Upon entering, stockard reported
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that as he made his way
past booby traps
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and human skeletons,
he found himself standing
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before an enormous wall
of pure silver.
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Feldman:
Stockard finds this mine
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that has this rich wall
of silver in it.
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The area
that this wall of silver
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is supposed to be
located in is in an area
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that absolutely could contain
a giant deposit of silver.
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Narrator:
For four decades,
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jake stockard kept
the wall of silver a secret.
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That is, until he met
richard kellogg,
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the owner of a struggling bar
in the town of kearsarge.
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The two became fast friends,
and jake broke his silence
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to help save kellogg's
ailing business.
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Carter:
They were selling
the silver samples at the bar,
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and the bar ended up
becoming a roadside attraction.
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So it helped generate
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an adequate enough
amount of traffic
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for the bar to become
financially viable again.
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Narrator:
Unfortunately, in 1973,
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jake stockard passed away,
taking with him
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the location of the mine,
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and the legendary
wall of silver.
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Branton:
Over the years, richard
tried to find the location,
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and he couldn't.
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And to this day,
they still haven't found
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the, uh, wall of silver.
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Yeah, so there are treasure
stories, uh, all over michigan,
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and certainly stories associated
with virtually every island
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in lake michigan and lake huron.
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Rick:
You know, the seas
were the freeways
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of the time,
so any treasure story
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associated with the high seas,
what's the first stop,
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if you will? Islands.
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Matty:
It's so funny because, you know,
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again, the cliché belief when
you're talking about treasure
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is caribbean or maybe
american west--
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we've talked about before--
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but you don't usually think
of michigan.
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Think again.
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-wow.
-Not only is stuff
buried on the islands
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but buried in those lakes.
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I mean, those are big lakes,
matty. You've seen them.
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And they took
a lot of ships down.
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In fact, it's amazing
you went this way, matty,
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because I just got off
the phone a little while ago
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with a guy named bob kreipke.
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Uh, really interesting fellow,
because he was literally
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the historian
for ford motor company.
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That was his career.
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I didn't know big companies
had such people, but...
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It's a treasured
michigan company, ford itself.
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Yeah, big-time
michigan company, yeah.
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And, um, he contacted me
and alan kostrzewa...
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-Yeah.
-...Who is our partner in this,
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with a story of a big treasure
in lake michigan
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somewhere near an island
called poverty island.
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-Yeah, a great name, right?
-That's a great name.
Poverty island.
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-Money pit, poverty island.
-Oh, yeah.
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Marty:
The story is there was a ship
that came through lake michigan
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that the french were
trying to supply
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the american confederacy,
so here we go
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-with confederate gold again.
-Wow.
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Um, it's not even a shipwreck
we're looking for.
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The legend is that the treasure
had to be thrown overboard...
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...Because they were
being pursued
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and they knew they were gonna
get caught by the opposition.
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But are we talking
chests of gold, silver...?
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Chests of payroll.
It's a-- it's payroll.
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Or capital, for the south.
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-Love it.
-Yeah, so,
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they supposedly chained
the boxes together,
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threw them overboard
so they could come back
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and drag the bottom.
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Potentially how much?
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$400 million.
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Matty:
Oh, wow. That's unbelievable.
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Marty:
So, this fellow bob kreipke
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is-is so enthusiastic
and so credible
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because-- rick, rick
knows this-- we get, we get
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input from erstwhile
treasure hunters all the time.
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-Right.
-You have to kind of
weed them out, you know?
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But this guy was credible
and interesting,
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and we're gonna go have
a go at it.
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I love it.
So whatever bob said to you
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prompted you to,
"let's go do this,"
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and you're kind of
going home, in a way.
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Yeah, look, I love
the upper peninsula.
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Yeah, the-the garden peninsula
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is where my company
is building a wind farm.
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So I've sort of been up there
a lot, anyway.
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Uh, I do know some
of the people.
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Uh, yeah, I mean,
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you know when all
the buttons all get pressed,
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you know,
when everything clicks?
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So if you don't mind,
I'm gonna take
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a little leave of absence, rick,
and go have some fun.
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-Absolutely.
-So alan has-has
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arranged a-a boat,
because it's a big fishing area
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up there by poverty island.
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And we're gonna get bob
and we're gonna get,
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of course,
you know brian abbott.
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-Oh, he scanned 10-x...
-Yes.
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...For you guys,
and-and his images,
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he believed he saw
some stuff down there.
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-That's right.
-Absolutely.
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So we're gonna go have a look.
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Narrator:
Located some six miles
off the garden peninsula,
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poverty island is a small,
200-acre land mass
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in lake michigan.
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Clyburn:
The garden peninsula
is at the top
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of lake michigan.
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It was a rural area,
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but yet some of the earliest
communities in michigan
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were up in that area
because of the, uh,
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trading, because of the lumber.
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It is remote.
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Bob:
Poverty island always
was quite isolated.
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I mean, it's isolated enough
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being out on the peninsula,
but in this day and age,
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when you get out on the water
and go to poverty island,
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you're really getting
out there, you know,
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in no-man's-land,
and there's a lot of currents.
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And back in the early days,
there was a lot
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of shipping through that area
and it's treacherous.
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There's a lot
of shoals and a lot of reefs.
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Storms, when they came up,
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everybody with their schooners
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and that kind of headed
to try to get in the lee
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of some of these islands,
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and a lot of them
met their doom.
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Narrator:
Because the great lakes
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provided indigenous people,
explorers and sea merchants
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with a natural waterway
dating back
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more than two centuries,
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poverty island became
a popular destination
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for mineral prospectors,
hunters and even pirates
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to not only explore,
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but also seek refuge
from harsh storms
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and in some cases, the law.
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During the civil war,
the waters around poverty island
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were used by some
european governments,
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who are believed
to have been secretly aiding
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and abetting
the confederate government.
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Union forces had
established a blockade
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of the eastern seaboard
to keep the south
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from being supplied
by these foreign sympathizers.
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However, the st. Lawrence seaway
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could still be accessed
by ships north of the blockade
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and then easily and secretly
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navigate through
the great lakes.
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But exactly which nations
or nation
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was supplying gold
to support the southern cause?
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Bob:
When something is
secretive and nobody
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wanted to trace it
back to their country
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that was supporting
the confederates,
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there's no records
to follow in that.
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Britain, France, Spain,
portugal.
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Any of those four
countries could have been
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involved in shipping this gold
over to the great lakes.
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Narrator:
Of all the european powers
who could have been aiding
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the confederacy, perhaps France
had the most to gain.
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In 1862,
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napoleon iii,
France's first president
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and the nephew
of napoleon bonaparte,
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sent troops to mexico
with the intent of creating
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a competing empire
to curb the growth
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of the united states.
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Two years later, he appointed
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archduke ferdinand
maximilian I of austria
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as emperor of the so-called
second mexican empire.
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Is it possible that napoleon iii
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was secretly supporting
the confederacy
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as part of a grand scheme
to shift the balance
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of world power
in France's favor?
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If we look
at the history though,
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the french never officially
supported the south.
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Because the north said that
that would be
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a declaration of war
against the united states.
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France did not want to go
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to war with the united states.
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But is it possible
that the french
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secretly sent
chests full of gold
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down lake michigan into chicago
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to get into the south's hands?
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It's possible,
and it'd have to be very secret
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and nobody would have had
to ever talk about it again.
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If it sinks, nobody is
gonna go looking for it,
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because officially,
it never existed.
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The french did have an area,
a territory that they controlled
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where they could have
possibly sent
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a large shipment of gold from.
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It's possible.
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Narrator:
But if the french were, in
fact, secretly shipping gold
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to support the south,
where did the plan go wrong?
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Based on his extensive research,
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bob kreipke has a theory
that he believes
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may provide the answer.
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One of these ships carrying gold
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to supply the confederates
was up in this area,
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getting ready to go
down to chicago
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when, all of a sudden,
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a canadian pirate ship
started to chase them.
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Pirates were, uh, very much
a part of the great lakes.
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In years gone by,
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a lot of commodities were
shipped on the great lakes.
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Stories of vessels being sunk
purposely on the lakes.
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Even up in the,
the poverty island area.
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Brian: So you had
a lot of pirates here
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that would knock out
lighthouses,
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make ships run aground,
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they would steal the contraband,
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throw people in the water
with everything.
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So there's a lot of history of
pirates during that time period.
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Narrator:
As the pirates were
rapidly closing in
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on the smugglers' ship,
the desperate sailors
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are believed
to have dumped their gold
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into the lake in order to make
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a quicker escape.
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According to legend,
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it was just off the shores
of poverty island.
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Bob:
They dumped the treasure
in thinking
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they might come back to get it.
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They chained
the boxes of gold together.
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And threw it overboard.
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But they were never
able to find it again.
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Rick:
You know, as we talk
about treasure stories,
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it's not just seeking
the treasure.
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There's a wonderful story behind
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-that episode, you know?
-Yeah, absolutely.
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And-and it connects
real history.
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The confederacy, the struggles.
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Will the union survive?
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You mentioned the blockade.
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I mean, if you were
to follow that story,
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you could go down
any number of rabbit holes
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and find a very interesting
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story connected
to a real treasure hunt.
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-And that's what I find
fascinating about treasures.
-I know you do, yeah.
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I'd like to pull up
those chests.
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-Well, I was gonna say...
-I wouldn't mind it.
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And I'm not gonna
say no to that.
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But here's the thing,
we all love the story,
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we all love history,
but if he gets hits...
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You and I are packing our bags.
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-Boom.
-Yeah, that would be fun,
you know,
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-and you'd get to see
our old stomping ground.
-I love it.
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Well, I can't wait to find out
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what you come up with, uh,
back home.
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Good deal.
I'll do it. I'll do it!
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Rick:
All right, stay safe.
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Marty:
I will, rick.
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Narrator:
One week after his meeting
in the oak island war room,
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-marty lagina is on the road
to fairport, michigan...
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-Bob: Hello?
-Hello, bob!
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Yeah, marty, how are you doing?
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Narrator:
...Where he's arranged to
meet up with bob kreipke,
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and set out on lake michigan
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in search of the long-lost
poverty island treasure.
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Marty:
I really appreciate you
coming on up here
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to the wilds
of northern michigan.
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Bob:
Well, I'm glad. Well, it's
an interesting subject, marty.
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It's got some credibility to it.
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The pieces are kind of there.
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Marty:
That's what makes it
all exciting.
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Narrator:
Bob kreipke has harbored
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a lifelong fascination with
shipwrecks and sunken treasure.
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He first heard about
the poverty island treasure
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from a commercial fisherman
when he was just a teenager
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and was instantly hooked.
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Over the next several years,
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bob visited the island
on numerous occasions,
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filming the bleak,
uninhabited surroundings.
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I've been out to the island
I-I think a total of four times.
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And back then,
it was so isolated that
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it was kind of sinister.
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In my dealings
and research, I'm thinking,
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looking for this
poverty island treasure
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starts with the few clues
that we have.
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There was a story that a ship
came across that treasure
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in the early 1930s.
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Narrator:
In 1932,
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while passing by poverty island
during a storm,
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a ship reportedly snagged
its anchor line
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on something
lying at the bottom of the lake.
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As the crew began
to hoist the anchor,
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they saw that it
was carrying with it
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what looked to be a chest.
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Possibly one of
the five treasure chests
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abandoned by french smugglers
during the civil war.
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But just as they were about
to heave it aboard the ship,
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the chest slipped free
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and plunged back
into the watery depths.
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Bob:
Word kind of spread
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that they did pull up something
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and maybe that was worth looking
for, maybe that was gold,
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maybe that was
some civil war gold.
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And a gentleman,
wilfred behrens,
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bought himself a ship,
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teamed up with some other
people that were interested
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in this and they got
some financing.
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And they went up
looking for what became known
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as the poverty island treasure.
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Narrator:
Over the next three years,
a team of treasure hunters
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conducted a salvage operation
to find the chests
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and raise them
from the bottom of the lake.
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Their efforts were observed
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by a group of children
who lived on the island.
448
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Among them was carly jessen,
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whose father served
as the lighthouse keeper.
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Bob:
I had an opportunity
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to talk to carly jessen,
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and he was an eyewitness
to this thing.
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The lighthouse keeper's kids
used to watch them offshore
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looking for that treasure.
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Well, one night,
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it was supposedly getting dark,
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they pulled up the diving bell
and the guys crawled out,
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and they were jumping around,
they were happy
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they had found something.
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Presumably what they were
looking for.
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And they were going to go out
and retrieve it the next day,
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but that night
a big storm came up,
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blew their ship ashore,
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the diving bell
fell in the water,
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and the ship was
completely destroyed.
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And, uh, that was
the end of that expedition.
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Marty:
All right, here's
what I've got arranged.
468
00:20:52,252 --> 00:20:54,043
Because this was intriguing
469
00:20:54,128 --> 00:20:56,545
enough for me and...
I am totally with you.
470
00:20:56,589 --> 00:21:00,591
I've got sort of a big old iron
fishing boat barge-like thing
471
00:21:00,635 --> 00:21:03,427
that my partner alan kostrzewa,
472
00:21:03,513 --> 00:21:05,888
-he's arranged it all.
-Excellent.
473
00:21:05,974 --> 00:21:07,765
Well, that's very exciting.
474
00:21:07,809 --> 00:21:09,600
You know, the older you get,
475
00:21:09,686 --> 00:21:11,227
the more it matters,
I think, that you have
476
00:21:11,312 --> 00:21:12,937
some kind of an adventure.
477
00:21:13,022 --> 00:21:15,314
So we're gonna go
on one today, partner.
478
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,150
-That's the deal.
-Oh, hey, I'm looking
forward to it.
479
00:21:18,236 --> 00:21:20,569
Marty:
All right, bob. Cheers.
480
00:21:27,495 --> 00:21:31,289
Narrator: In fairport, michigan,
marty lagina has just arrived
481
00:21:31,374 --> 00:21:32,957
-at the local marina...
-Hey, guys.
482
00:21:33,001 --> 00:21:35,418
...Where he is joining
his business partner
483
00:21:35,461 --> 00:21:38,546
alan kostrzewa,
alan's son aaron,
484
00:21:38,631 --> 00:21:39,964
along with treasure hunter
bob kreipke...
485
00:21:40,049 --> 00:21:42,300
-You ready?
-I'm ready.
486
00:21:42,343 --> 00:21:44,677
...And underwater imaging expert
brian abbott
487
00:21:44,762 --> 00:21:49,807
to begin a search
for $400 million in sunken gold.
488
00:21:49,851 --> 00:21:54,020
According to local legend,
five chests filled with
489
00:21:54,105 --> 00:21:56,689
civil war-era gold lie
approximately
490
00:21:56,774 --> 00:22:00,401
six and a half miles out
at the bottom of lake michigan
491
00:22:00,486 --> 00:22:04,488
near a 200-acre land mass
known as poverty island.
492
00:22:05,950 --> 00:22:07,616
Brian, are you ready?
493
00:22:07,702 --> 00:22:10,494
I'm set up pretty much
on the boat, ready to operate.
494
00:22:10,580 --> 00:22:12,747
So I'm ready to get moving.
495
00:22:12,832 --> 00:22:14,498
We're off to poverty island,
then.
496
00:22:14,542 --> 00:22:17,001
-Let's just hope that's not
what happens to us.
497
00:22:18,504 --> 00:22:21,213
okay, we're ready.
You guys are all set?
498
00:22:21,299 --> 00:22:22,465
-Marty: Yeah.
-Bob: Excellent.
499
00:22:22,550 --> 00:22:24,508
Crewman:
All right, captain, we're clear.
500
00:22:24,552 --> 00:22:28,387
Narrator: Along with his crew,
captain larry barbeau
501
00:22:28,473 --> 00:22:30,056
will navigate
the treacherous waters
502
00:22:30,141 --> 00:22:32,683
south of fairport, en route
to the team's destination.
503
00:22:32,769 --> 00:22:34,518
It's refreshing to do this.
504
00:22:34,604 --> 00:22:37,521
To see what other
treasure hunters are doing,
505
00:22:37,565 --> 00:22:39,023
see what other treasure stories
are out there.
506
00:22:39,108 --> 00:22:41,359
Some of these are gonna
hit, too.
507
00:22:41,444 --> 00:22:43,861
You watch. Some of these are
gonna come up with treasure.
508
00:22:43,946 --> 00:22:46,864
Hey, captain, what do you do
mainly, you fish?
509
00:22:46,908 --> 00:22:49,283
I'm a commercial fisherman here,
uh, in fairport.
510
00:22:49,369 --> 00:22:52,036
You guys ever talk about any
of these treasure stories?
511
00:22:52,121 --> 00:22:53,287
We talk about 'em.
512
00:22:53,373 --> 00:22:54,497
What if we catch one
with an anchor someday
513
00:22:54,582 --> 00:22:56,415
and pull up a big
treasure chest?
514
00:22:56,501 --> 00:22:58,125
It'd be a lot better
than a fish, wouldn't it?
515
00:22:58,211 --> 00:23:00,378
-Yeah, we definitely talk
about that all the time.
-Yeah.
516
00:23:00,463 --> 00:23:02,129
It'll be interesting to see
what we can find.
517
00:23:02,215 --> 00:23:04,548
Since we've been kids,
it's been a mystery,
518
00:23:04,592 --> 00:23:06,842
-so we'll see.
-All right, okay, good.
519
00:23:06,928 --> 00:23:09,387
-Well, stay away from the rocks.
-You got it.
520
00:23:12,016 --> 00:23:13,808
Marty:
So I tell you guys, I knew
521
00:23:13,893 --> 00:23:16,727
that michigan had a lot
of various
522
00:23:16,771 --> 00:23:18,729
potential treasure stories.
523
00:23:18,815 --> 00:23:22,066
You can't believe
how many there are.
524
00:23:22,151 --> 00:23:24,026
-I mean hundreds.
-You said-- you said
525
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:25,569
over 400 or something...
526
00:23:25,613 --> 00:23:27,905
-I believe it was on one site.
-Bob: It's true. Yeah.
527
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:32,034
You know, michigan
has always been a real hot spot.
528
00:23:32,078 --> 00:23:33,994
-Yeah.
-People made fortunes here.
529
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,496
Mining,
530
00:23:35,581 --> 00:23:39,417
lumbering and, of course,
wherever there's big money,
531
00:23:39,502 --> 00:23:43,963
there's always gonna be that
faction of criminal involvement.
532
00:23:44,048 --> 00:23:46,424
Brian:
The gangs ran prohibition
533
00:23:46,467 --> 00:23:48,676
from canada-- they're
running booze and liquor.
534
00:23:48,761 --> 00:23:51,303
So you've got
the whole great lakes here.
535
00:23:51,389 --> 00:23:52,721
It's an open waterway system,
536
00:23:52,807 --> 00:23:54,807
and if it's not patrolled
or taken care of,
537
00:23:54,892 --> 00:23:58,352
-you've got a huge
smuggling operation going on.
-Yeah.
538
00:23:58,438 --> 00:24:02,940
Narrator:
Although most of the midwest's
great treasure mysteries
539
00:24:03,025 --> 00:24:06,777
revolve around gold bullion,
silver and coins,
540
00:24:06,821 --> 00:24:09,613
there have also been
numerous caches of another sort
541
00:24:09,657 --> 00:24:13,909
of so-called treasure associated
with the great lakes,
542
00:24:13,995 --> 00:24:17,413
what some refer to
as "liquid gold."
543
00:24:18,541 --> 00:24:21,834
January 17, 1920.
544
00:24:21,919 --> 00:24:25,713
The 18th amendment
to the constitution became law.
545
00:24:25,798 --> 00:24:28,424
Production, importation,
546
00:24:28,509 --> 00:24:29,967
transportation
and sale of liquor
547
00:24:30,052 --> 00:24:34,472
became illegal
in the united states of america.
548
00:24:34,515 --> 00:24:40,227
However, with prohibition, a new
criminal enterprise soon began:
549
00:24:40,313 --> 00:24:42,188
Bootlegging.
550
00:24:42,273 --> 00:24:44,190
Practically overnight,
551
00:24:44,275 --> 00:24:46,525
the midwest erupted
into a hot spot
552
00:24:46,611 --> 00:24:48,986
of gangland activity.
553
00:24:49,030 --> 00:24:52,948
Big midwestern cities--
chicago, detroit, milwaukee--
554
00:24:53,034 --> 00:24:57,495
they were center points of
gang violence and bootlegging.
555
00:24:57,580 --> 00:24:59,955
The great lakes offered
logistical routes
556
00:24:59,999 --> 00:25:02,124
for coming into the cities.
557
00:25:02,210 --> 00:25:04,752
There was a lot of money
in the area.
558
00:25:04,837 --> 00:25:06,879
Narrator:
Much of the money and liquor
559
00:25:06,964 --> 00:25:09,340
that was being ferried
across the great lakes
560
00:25:09,383 --> 00:25:13,344
belonged to the most notorious
mobsters of the 1920s.
561
00:25:13,429 --> 00:25:16,222
-carter: Al capone, dillinger,
562
00:25:16,307 --> 00:25:20,809
baby face nelson were all
very active in the area.
563
00:25:20,853 --> 00:25:22,978
Nelson:
We think about those gangsters
564
00:25:23,064 --> 00:25:25,147
being associated
with the big cities in the east,
565
00:25:25,191 --> 00:25:27,149
whereas a lot of these figures
566
00:25:27,235 --> 00:25:29,485
actually had success
in the midwest.
567
00:25:29,570 --> 00:25:34,114
Narrator:
These gangsters became fixtures
in the public imagination,
568
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,075
and the great lakes
played a major role
569
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,245
in their criminal enterprise.
570
00:25:39,330 --> 00:25:41,205
Brian:
Al capone's companies,
571
00:25:41,290 --> 00:25:44,708
they would actually hire divers
to go out into the great lakes.
572
00:25:44,794 --> 00:25:46,544
The ships might go down
in a storm,
573
00:25:46,587 --> 00:25:49,046
but they might have, you know,
200 gallons of whiskey on 'em,
574
00:25:49,090 --> 00:25:50,589
and that's a lot of money.
575
00:25:50,675 --> 00:25:52,591
So they would hire divers
to go out,
576
00:25:52,677 --> 00:25:56,595
and they would salvage the wears
on board and pretty much...
577
00:25:56,681 --> 00:25:57,680
I had no idea of that.
578
00:25:57,723 --> 00:25:58,847
-Yeah, absolutely.
-You keep talking
579
00:25:58,891 --> 00:26:01,559
about these bootleggers
and stuff,
580
00:26:01,644 --> 00:26:03,227
and I happen to have
581
00:26:03,312 --> 00:26:06,188
family members who were part
of that whole thing.
582
00:26:06,232 --> 00:26:08,607
My grandmother...
My grandmother was
583
00:26:08,693 --> 00:26:11,068
-a very small-level bootlegger,
584
00:26:11,153 --> 00:26:12,987
and to make ends meet,
she ran a little hooch,
585
00:26:13,072 --> 00:26:14,780
-you know?
-Oh, sure.
586
00:26:14,865 --> 00:26:16,282
Marty:
So...
587
00:26:16,367 --> 00:26:17,992
Hey, we're coming up
to poverty right now.
588
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:20,536
marty:
Look at that.
589
00:26:22,290 --> 00:26:24,582
-Is that poverty?
-Bob: That's poverty.
590
00:26:24,667 --> 00:26:29,253
Narrator:
Today, poverty island
stands barren and desolate.
591
00:26:29,297 --> 00:26:32,381
It has been abandoned
since 1957,
592
00:26:32,466 --> 00:26:35,342
when the lighthouse was
fully automated,
593
00:26:35,428 --> 00:26:37,970
and local restrictions
now prevent anyone
594
00:26:38,055 --> 00:26:40,598
from stepping foot
on the island.
595
00:26:40,683 --> 00:26:43,767
This will keep marty
and the team offshore,
596
00:26:43,853 --> 00:26:47,938
at a distance from
the island's natural residents.
597
00:26:48,024 --> 00:26:51,775
Bob:
When I was out to the island
one time with the coast guard,
598
00:26:51,819 --> 00:26:54,236
poverty island was covered
with snakes.
599
00:26:54,322 --> 00:26:57,197
Big snakes. That round.
600
00:26:57,283 --> 00:26:58,949
Unbelievable.
601
00:26:58,993 --> 00:27:02,119
I saw the largest snake
I ever saw in my life up here.
602
00:27:03,914 --> 00:27:07,124
Variety. They were
all different types.
603
00:27:07,168 --> 00:27:10,628
And some of them
were eating seagulls.
604
00:27:12,381 --> 00:27:13,839
But there were thousands
of them.
605
00:27:13,924 --> 00:27:15,299
Marty:
Holy smokes.
606
00:27:16,886 --> 00:27:18,677
You ever see anything that looks
607
00:27:18,763 --> 00:27:21,096
so quintessentially haunted
in your whole life?
608
00:27:22,266 --> 00:27:24,475
Looks like that lighthouse
is looking right at us.
609
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:25,976
Bob:
Yeah.
610
00:27:33,069 --> 00:27:35,110
Larry:
Where would you like me
to get you set up at?
611
00:27:35,196 --> 00:27:37,863
-I mean, right over here...?
-Yeah. We want to go
a little bit past
612
00:27:37,948 --> 00:27:39,323
the lighthouse.
613
00:27:39,367 --> 00:27:40,991
Narrator:
On lake michigan,
614
00:27:41,077 --> 00:27:44,662
some six and a half miles south
of the town of fairport,
615
00:27:44,747 --> 00:27:47,831
marty lagina,
treasure hunter bob kreipke,
616
00:27:47,917 --> 00:27:50,959
underwater imaging expert
brian abbott
617
00:27:51,045 --> 00:27:54,004
and their team have just
arrived at poverty island
618
00:27:54,090 --> 00:27:58,676
to conduct a sonar scanning
operation of the deep waters.
619
00:27:58,761 --> 00:28:02,096
This deserted outpost
is believed to be the location
620
00:28:02,181 --> 00:28:06,642
of a vast treasure lost
during the civil war.
621
00:28:06,727 --> 00:28:10,479
Make sure, though, we're
in about 40 to 60 feet of water.
622
00:28:10,523 --> 00:28:13,023
The legend was that they
623
00:28:13,067 --> 00:28:15,401
had raised their anchor
from a shoal,
624
00:28:15,486 --> 00:28:17,695
and it fell down
in that deep water.
625
00:28:17,738 --> 00:28:19,863
-Okay. All right.
I'll get you there.
-So, see what we can.
626
00:28:19,949 --> 00:28:22,241
Bob:
Okay. Thank you.
627
00:28:22,326 --> 00:28:25,661
You got to do your research
and try to figure out,
628
00:28:25,746 --> 00:28:27,871
hey, what was the weather
back then,
629
00:28:27,957 --> 00:28:29,957
what were the lake levels?
630
00:28:30,042 --> 00:28:33,210
We already know there's
terrible currents out there.
631
00:28:33,254 --> 00:28:36,171
It's not a very pleasant place.
632
00:28:36,257 --> 00:28:39,550
It's not a place
you'd want to vacation.
633
00:28:39,593 --> 00:28:41,051
It's really nice
to talk to somebody
634
00:28:41,095 --> 00:28:42,302
who knows what
they're talking about.
635
00:28:42,388 --> 00:28:43,762
That might be a clue, too.
636
00:28:43,848 --> 00:28:44,888
Marty:
Bob's a huge resource.
637
00:28:44,974 --> 00:28:46,056
I mean, he's great.
638
00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:47,474
An absolute wealth of knowledge.
639
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:48,934
Historian to the core.
640
00:28:49,019 --> 00:28:50,728
You know, that's what he did
his entire life,
641
00:28:50,813 --> 00:28:53,856
and he's got this passion
for these unsolved things.
642
00:28:53,941 --> 00:28:56,900
And, um, you know,
that's infectious.
643
00:28:58,237 --> 00:29:00,070
Narrator:
Could marty, bob and the team
644
00:29:00,156 --> 00:29:03,991
be within reach
of five chests of missing gold,
645
00:29:04,076 --> 00:29:06,034
as reported to bob
nearly 40 years ago
646
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,413
by former resident karly jessen?
647
00:29:09,498 --> 00:29:11,874
In a matter of moments,
and with the help
648
00:29:11,959 --> 00:29:13,959
of brian abbott's
sonar equipment,
649
00:29:14,044 --> 00:29:16,003
they will find out.
650
00:29:16,088 --> 00:29:18,046
Larry:
We're in 60 feet of water,
so if you guys
651
00:29:18,132 --> 00:29:20,340
-want to start the sonar...
-Bob: Let's start here.
652
00:29:20,426 --> 00:29:23,260
-All right, brian,
find us something.
-All right.
653
00:29:23,345 --> 00:29:25,888
-Marty:
I've seen that gizmo before.
-Brian: You have.
654
00:29:25,931 --> 00:29:28,265
-marty: 10-x.
-Brian: Around the island, too.
655
00:29:28,350 --> 00:29:31,518
Narrator:
To visualize
today's target areas,
656
00:29:31,604 --> 00:29:34,772
brian abbott will be using
a sector-scanning sonar device
657
00:29:34,815 --> 00:29:37,274
called the ms1000.
658
00:29:37,318 --> 00:29:39,443
Mounted on a steel tripod,
659
00:29:39,528 --> 00:29:43,071
the ms1000 will be able to stand
on the lake bottom
660
00:29:43,157 --> 00:29:45,324
and generate
a three-dimensional map
661
00:29:45,409 --> 00:29:47,284
of the surrounding environment,
662
00:29:47,369 --> 00:29:49,578
along with any near
surface-buried objects
663
00:29:49,663 --> 00:29:53,290
not visible to the naked eye.
664
00:29:53,375 --> 00:29:55,709
So, the deal is,
we want to set this on bottom.
665
00:29:55,795 --> 00:29:58,754
This spins all the way around
as it takes the sonar,
666
00:29:58,798 --> 00:30:01,131
and through the magic
of zeroes and ones,
667
00:30:01,217 --> 00:30:02,800
we get a pretty picture
on the computer screen.
668
00:30:02,885 --> 00:30:05,260
If by some miracle
we found something interesting,
669
00:30:05,346 --> 00:30:07,846
-we got gps coordinates?
-Mm-hmm.
670
00:30:07,932 --> 00:30:09,056
Okay.
671
00:30:09,141 --> 00:30:11,016
We'll walk it up
towards that way.
672
00:30:11,101 --> 00:30:12,643
-Marty: I'll get out of the way.
-All right.
673
00:30:12,728 --> 00:30:14,686
Yeah, watch your feet, now.
Just nice and slow.
674
00:30:14,772 --> 00:30:16,188
-Yep.
-Okay.
675
00:30:16,273 --> 00:30:20,192
Bob: People have looked
for this poverty island treasure
676
00:30:20,277 --> 00:30:24,196
for years and years,
but it's eluded everybody.
677
00:30:24,281 --> 00:30:26,323
If it is still there, I believe
678
00:30:26,408 --> 00:30:30,118
that, literally,
electronics will help us.
679
00:30:30,204 --> 00:30:31,662
-Everybody clear?
-We combine
680
00:30:31,705 --> 00:30:34,665
these new electronics
with some research that we did,
681
00:30:34,750 --> 00:30:37,334
and, you know,
we'll see what we can find.
682
00:30:40,005 --> 00:30:41,922
Brian:
Okay, on bottom.
683
00:30:42,007 --> 00:30:43,966
So, we're scanning
the bottom now.
684
00:30:44,009 --> 00:30:46,260
What I've got is 150-foot range,
685
00:30:46,345 --> 00:30:50,013
so from circle to circle is
300 feet across.
686
00:30:51,517 --> 00:30:53,684
The sonar is like a flashlight.
687
00:30:53,727 --> 00:30:55,352
If I stick a flashlight
in front of a tree,
688
00:30:55,396 --> 00:30:57,187
it's gonna cast a shadow.
689
00:30:57,273 --> 00:30:58,856
Aaron:
So we're primarily looking
for shadows from this.
690
00:30:58,899 --> 00:31:00,941
-Is that more or less right?
-Possibly shadows.
691
00:31:01,026 --> 00:31:02,484
We'd be looking for lines,
692
00:31:02,570 --> 00:31:04,695
and we're just trying
to look for something
693
00:31:04,780 --> 00:31:06,738
that's, you know, man-made.
694
00:31:06,824 --> 00:31:09,867
The story goes that five boxes
are linked together
695
00:31:09,952 --> 00:31:11,827
with a chain,
so I would look for a line or...
696
00:31:11,912 --> 00:31:13,495
Aaron:
Was that a common thing
they did back then,
697
00:31:13,539 --> 00:31:15,038
like chain together chests,
or...?
698
00:31:15,124 --> 00:31:18,667
No, that was just so they
could find them themselves.
699
00:31:18,711 --> 00:31:22,129
-Oh, drag an anchor or something
to catch the chain?
-Yeah, catch the chain.
700
00:31:22,214 --> 00:31:23,881
Well, what's that like?
701
00:31:23,924 --> 00:31:26,258
-Brian: It's a big rock.
-Alan: A big rock right there?
702
00:31:26,343 --> 00:31:29,553
Brian:
Yeah. What you see on
poverty island is what you get.
703
00:31:29,597 --> 00:31:31,096
Out here is, it's a rock field.
704
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,766
Aaron:
So, if they're buried under
sediment or rocks or whatever,
705
00:31:34,852 --> 00:31:37,227
this is no good then,
it's not gonna help us out.
706
00:31:37,313 --> 00:31:39,396
It might-- you know,
I doubt it's buried,
707
00:31:39,481 --> 00:31:40,814
just because of
the currents out here
708
00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:42,232
-and all the rocks.
-And it's rocky, yeah.
709
00:31:42,318 --> 00:31:44,484
There's no sand
or anything out here?
710
00:31:44,570 --> 00:31:46,612
Brian:
But you see all sorts of stuff,
711
00:31:46,697 --> 00:31:48,906
and this one
is interesting here.
712
00:31:48,949 --> 00:31:52,534
It's got a nice acoustic shadow
behind it, it's kind of square.
713
00:31:54,955 --> 00:31:57,873
So what we'll do is
I'll use a shorter range now.
714
00:32:01,337 --> 00:32:04,171
You start to see some really
good definition of targets.
715
00:32:04,256 --> 00:32:06,673
-That's really neat.
-I can measure the height
716
00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:08,634
-of how tall it is.
-Based on the shadow?
717
00:32:08,719 --> 00:32:10,677
Based on the shadow.
718
00:32:10,763 --> 00:32:14,431
This is where the shadow begins.
Six feet tall.
719
00:32:14,516 --> 00:32:16,808
It's interesting in the sense
of "what the hell is it?"
720
00:32:16,894 --> 00:32:18,268
-yeah.
-But it's too big
for what we're looking for.
721
00:32:18,354 --> 00:32:19,770
Yeah, it's six feet.
722
00:32:21,482 --> 00:32:24,566
Narrator:
Unfortunately, at least so far,
723
00:32:24,652 --> 00:32:28,570
the ms1000 sonar scanning device
has not yet detected
724
00:32:28,656 --> 00:32:32,991
any signs of man-made structures
or objects in this location.
725
00:32:33,077 --> 00:32:34,993
So, here's the thing.
Here's what we know.
726
00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:36,620
We know there's a big mystery
out here.
727
00:32:36,705 --> 00:32:38,497
-Correct.
-We know your equipment works,
728
00:32:38,582 --> 00:32:39,957
but this is targeted equipment.
729
00:32:40,042 --> 00:32:42,209
We're kind of like
a needle in a haystack here.
730
00:32:42,294 --> 00:32:45,045
-Right.
-But this gentleman
has a hunch about it all.
731
00:32:45,130 --> 00:32:46,672
And so I think
what we should do, bob--
732
00:32:46,757 --> 00:32:48,340
I want you to do this--
I want you to pick
733
00:32:48,425 --> 00:32:51,134
the exact spot, right where
your hunch would be.
734
00:32:51,178 --> 00:32:53,095
Now, you steer this boat
right where you want it.
735
00:32:53,180 --> 00:32:54,471
We'll put that thing
back in, brian,
736
00:32:54,556 --> 00:32:55,764
and we'll just see if-if...
737
00:32:55,849 --> 00:32:57,182
-Take a shot.
-Take a shot.
738
00:32:57,267 --> 00:32:58,642
-Yeah. Okay.
-Bob: Sounds great.
739
00:32:58,727 --> 00:33:02,312
-Pick the spot, shooter.
-Okay. I'll go up with larry.
740
00:33:04,692 --> 00:33:06,775
Brian:
Okay, watch yourself.
You're gonna get real wet.
741
00:33:06,819 --> 00:33:08,110
Bob:
We want to go out
742
00:33:08,195 --> 00:33:09,778
-in a little deeper water.
-Okay.
743
00:33:09,863 --> 00:33:12,239
And just a hair back here
towards the north.
744
00:33:12,324 --> 00:33:13,907
Okay.
745
00:33:13,993 --> 00:33:16,827
Bob:
Getting close.
Getting real close.
746
00:33:16,912 --> 00:33:19,037
Marty:
We'd have to get really lucky,
747
00:33:19,123 --> 00:33:21,498
in one day,
to find these treasure chests
748
00:33:21,583 --> 00:33:23,291
that were thrown overboard.
749
00:33:23,377 --> 00:33:24,793
But you know what? Maybe.
750
00:33:24,837 --> 00:33:26,545
Maybe. Maybe we hit the jackpot.
751
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:28,672
Brian:
Sometimes you'd rather
be lucky than good.
752
00:33:28,716 --> 00:33:30,966
-No, no, always. Always.
753
00:33:37,224 --> 00:33:39,516
narrator: Just off the shores of
poverty island in lake michigan,
754
00:33:39,601 --> 00:33:42,519
marty lagina,
along with historian
755
00:33:42,563 --> 00:33:44,604
and treasure hunter bob kreipke,
756
00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:46,690
are leading
a sonar scanning operation
757
00:33:46,734 --> 00:33:51,153
in search of some $400 million
in civil war gold
758
00:33:51,196 --> 00:33:54,698
believed to have been dumped
in the area back in 1864.
759
00:33:54,783 --> 00:33:58,452
-You just tell me when,
and we'll throw her in.
-Good. Yeah. Yeah.
760
00:33:58,537 --> 00:34:01,288
Bob:
Getting close,
getting real close.
761
00:34:01,373 --> 00:34:03,582
Narrator:
Having performed numerous scans
762
00:34:03,667 --> 00:34:05,751
and receiving no promising data,
763
00:34:05,836 --> 00:34:08,128
they are now about
to search an area
764
00:34:08,213 --> 00:34:11,465
that bob kreipke
believes to be nearest
765
00:34:11,550 --> 00:34:14,051
to where an eyewitness
saw five chests
766
00:34:14,136 --> 00:34:16,636
connected with a chain
dumped into the lake.
767
00:34:16,722 --> 00:34:19,973
Bob:
Yeah, this should be good.
This should be good.
768
00:34:20,059 --> 00:34:22,476
We'll do that, okay.
Okay, go ahead, throw it!
769
00:34:22,561 --> 00:34:24,978
-This is the spot?
-Right here.
770
00:34:25,064 --> 00:34:30,859
Bob:
My research suggested that they
were passing poverty island.
771
00:34:30,903 --> 00:34:32,778
And I believe that this is where
772
00:34:32,863 --> 00:34:34,404
they would've scuttled
the stuff.
773
00:34:34,448 --> 00:34:36,031
And it made sense.
774
00:34:36,075 --> 00:34:38,158
This is the big clue:
775
00:34:38,243 --> 00:34:41,953
Those kids that lived in that
lighthouse said to me,
776
00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:45,916
"bob, we stood on the shore
and could hear them talking."
777
00:34:45,959 --> 00:34:47,292
so they've got to be
778
00:34:47,377 --> 00:34:48,835
-right out in here.
-Marty: Wow.
779
00:34:48,921 --> 00:34:51,588
Slowly let it go.
780
00:34:51,673 --> 00:34:53,256
Aaron:
Slowly let it in the water.
781
00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:55,759
Okay, here we go.
782
00:34:56,845 --> 00:34:58,845
Brian:
Okay, in the water.
783
00:34:58,931 --> 00:35:01,098
Narrator:
After successfully lowering
784
00:35:01,183 --> 00:35:04,559
the ms1000 sonar device
to the bottom of the lake,
785
00:35:04,645 --> 00:35:06,978
brian abbott
will now begin scanning
786
00:35:07,064 --> 00:35:09,397
in a 360-degree pattern.
787
00:35:09,483 --> 00:35:11,942
-That's it.
-Brian: Yep. On bottom.
788
00:35:12,027 --> 00:35:15,570
Narrator:
If the treasure is anywhere
in the vicinity,
789
00:35:15,656 --> 00:35:19,241
the team could be on the verge
of making a historic find.
790
00:35:19,284 --> 00:35:22,160
Brian:
This is a pretty barren bottom.
791
00:35:22,246 --> 00:35:24,621
We're kind of out of the rocks
and stuff.
792
00:35:24,706 --> 00:35:26,456
What's your radius
of investigation right now?
793
00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:29,459
Uh, the radius is 120 feet.
794
00:35:29,545 --> 00:35:32,504
And we're just trying to look
for something that's a line
795
00:35:32,589 --> 00:35:35,549
or a chain or boxes in a row
or anything.
796
00:35:35,634 --> 00:35:38,885
Like this is a really good
target right here. See this?
797
00:35:38,971 --> 00:35:40,804
That's interesting to me.
798
00:35:43,725 --> 00:35:45,267
Marty:
What is that?
799
00:35:45,352 --> 00:35:47,561
Brian:
I don't know. It's square.
800
00:35:47,646 --> 00:35:50,480
We'll walk it in closer,
we'll get better detail on it.
801
00:35:58,699 --> 00:36:00,157
Alan:
Oh, that's cool.
802
00:36:00,242 --> 00:36:02,576
Brian:
That's-- I find that unique.
803
00:36:02,661 --> 00:36:04,536
Alan:
So that's intriguing you, brian?
804
00:36:04,621 --> 00:36:07,706
Yeah, it's got a nice
acoustic shadow behind it.
805
00:36:07,791 --> 00:36:09,040
It's a square.
806
00:36:09,126 --> 00:36:11,334
I would definitely mark that
as a target.
807
00:36:11,420 --> 00:36:14,212
Nature doesn't make things
that are square,
808
00:36:14,298 --> 00:36:16,006
rectangular and round.
809
00:36:16,049 --> 00:36:17,549
Nature has different angles
810
00:36:17,634 --> 00:36:19,676
and perspectives on things.
811
00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:23,346
I'm gonna drop it down in range
so we get better resolution.
812
00:36:23,390 --> 00:36:26,683
So we're able to go in there
and look for targets on bottom
813
00:36:26,727 --> 00:36:28,518
and see that it's out
of characteristic
814
00:36:28,604 --> 00:36:30,187
at the natural bottom.
815
00:36:30,272 --> 00:36:33,440
So we're able to look at things
and possibly identify them.
816
00:36:33,525 --> 00:36:39,070
So that thing
is three feet tall, down there.
817
00:36:39,156 --> 00:36:41,031
How big are these boxes,
supposedly,
818
00:36:41,074 --> 00:36:43,158
-that were thrown over?
-They couldn't have been
too big.
819
00:36:43,202 --> 00:36:45,076
-They couldn't have lifted them.
-Yeah.
820
00:36:45,162 --> 00:36:47,537
So we're gonna mark it on here,
and then-then what?
821
00:36:47,581 --> 00:36:49,456
Marty:
Well, we come back here
with divers.
822
00:36:49,541 --> 00:36:51,708
And then if we find something
really interesting,
823
00:36:51,793 --> 00:36:53,376
we're gonna call
the state of michigan.
824
00:36:53,420 --> 00:36:56,171
At what point do you decide
to send the divers down?
825
00:36:56,215 --> 00:36:57,839
To me, diving
is the last resort,
826
00:36:57,925 --> 00:36:59,549
and I don't mean that
in a bad way.
827
00:36:59,635 --> 00:37:03,011
Let's get all our, uh, data,
our position points,
828
00:37:03,055 --> 00:37:04,512
put the divers over position,
829
00:37:04,598 --> 00:37:06,264
put the scanning sonar
in the water,
830
00:37:06,350 --> 00:37:07,849
watch the divers go down,
831
00:37:07,935 --> 00:37:10,727
then I can put them
right on the target.
832
00:37:10,771 --> 00:37:13,188
Martty:
So I think we're intrigued
enough to keep after this.
833
00:37:13,273 --> 00:37:15,482
So what-what would
we do next, brian?
834
00:37:15,567 --> 00:37:18,485
-I mean, how would you do this?
-How would I do it?
I would get a side scan.
835
00:37:18,570 --> 00:37:21,112
I would also think about
maybe doing multibeam out here.
836
00:37:21,198 --> 00:37:22,739
You know, you can get
some of that better detail
837
00:37:22,824 --> 00:37:24,282
with the multibeam and so forth.
838
00:37:24,368 --> 00:37:27,077
But you're looking at a lot more
money, a lot more time.
839
00:37:27,162 --> 00:37:29,412
-Has that ever been
done out here?
-Uh, not to my knowledge.
840
00:37:29,498 --> 00:37:32,082
-There we go.
So we'll multibeam it.
-So...
841
00:37:32,167 --> 00:37:34,084
-There you go. Perfect.
-There you go.
842
00:37:34,127 --> 00:37:35,627
Marty:
Well, bob, you know what?
843
00:37:35,712 --> 00:37:37,212
It's an intriguing story.
844
00:37:37,297 --> 00:37:38,838
We had a little, uh,
poke and hope here.
845
00:37:38,924 --> 00:37:40,882
-Bob: Sure.
-And you're gonna mark this,
right?
846
00:37:40,926 --> 00:37:43,009
Brian:
Absolutely.
847
00:37:43,095 --> 00:37:46,054
Bob:
It is like looking
for a needle in a haystack.
848
00:37:46,139 --> 00:37:48,431
But we took a chance,
and you know what?
849
00:37:48,517 --> 00:37:51,017
We still know more
than we knew before.
850
00:37:51,103 --> 00:37:53,645
I think that this
poverty island treasure,
851
00:37:53,730 --> 00:37:57,941
if it is still there
and nobody has gotten to it yet,
852
00:37:58,026 --> 00:38:01,027
I believe we're gonna
find something.
853
00:38:01,113 --> 00:38:03,655
All right, well, it gets to keep
its secrets for right now.
854
00:38:03,740 --> 00:38:05,740
-I think we're done
for this mission.
-Larry: All right.
855
00:38:05,826 --> 00:38:08,660
Marty:
Yeah, well, what does
my brother always say?
856
00:38:08,745 --> 00:38:10,954
"eyes and boots on the ground,"
right? I mean...
857
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:13,623
Until you get a sense of it,
like we did today,
858
00:38:13,709 --> 00:38:15,292
you don't know what you're
up against, you don't know
859
00:38:15,377 --> 00:38:17,335
whether it's worth
adding resources.
860
00:38:17,421 --> 00:38:20,297
I mean, is there a chance
there's a treasure out there
861
00:38:20,382 --> 00:38:22,340
big enough to be worth
the effort?
862
00:38:22,426 --> 00:38:24,467
Sure sounds like it.
863
00:38:31,184 --> 00:38:33,310
Marty:
Hey, rick, I'm back.
864
00:38:33,353 --> 00:38:34,352
Rick:
Welcome back.
865
00:38:34,438 --> 00:38:36,771
-What are you working on?
-Oh, you know,
866
00:38:36,815 --> 00:38:39,107
the frustrating part
of oak island.
867
00:38:39,192 --> 00:38:41,109
-All this data...
-Oh, which one?
868
00:38:41,194 --> 00:38:43,653
-things just don't line up,
869
00:38:43,739 --> 00:38:45,947
from map to document to-to res--
870
00:38:45,991 --> 00:38:48,325
-I mean, it's just inconsistent.
-Yeah.
871
00:38:48,410 --> 00:38:52,871
Well, speaking of reports,
I've got mine.
872
00:38:52,956 --> 00:38:54,164
And I'd love to hear it.
873
00:38:54,249 --> 00:38:57,417
I got some good news
and some bad news.
874
00:38:57,502 --> 00:38:59,669
What would you like first?
875
00:38:59,755 --> 00:39:02,630
-Hmm. Bad news first.
-Eh, it's not that bad.
876
00:39:02,716 --> 00:39:04,424
The bad news is
we didn't get lucky.
877
00:39:04,509 --> 00:39:06,551
We didn't put
the sonar right down
878
00:39:06,636 --> 00:39:08,136
on the, on the chests
chained together.
879
00:39:08,221 --> 00:39:10,764
-Yeah, but that
would have been...
-I know, I know.
880
00:39:10,849 --> 00:39:13,308
That would have been
beyond the pale, yeah.
881
00:39:13,393 --> 00:39:15,018
But-but to some extent,
882
00:39:15,062 --> 00:39:17,062
we kind of got the cart
before the horse a little bit.
883
00:39:17,147 --> 00:39:19,481
What we did is we used
the technique you would use
884
00:39:19,566 --> 00:39:23,360
after you've done
broad side-scan sonar.
885
00:39:23,445 --> 00:39:26,696
We did the zero in and look.
886
00:39:26,782 --> 00:39:29,324
We'd probably been better off,
in 20/20 hindsight,
887
00:39:29,368 --> 00:39:31,701
to side-scan sonar
the whole thing,
888
00:39:31,745 --> 00:39:35,038
pick the ten or 15 good targets,
then drop that sonar
889
00:39:35,082 --> 00:39:36,456
right down on them.
890
00:39:36,541 --> 00:39:39,542
If-if we go maybe a little bit
earlier in the season,
891
00:39:39,586 --> 00:39:41,544
you know, you could probably
dive it, for one thing.
892
00:39:41,630 --> 00:39:43,380
-How deep is it?
-It's, like, 60 feet.
893
00:39:43,465 --> 00:39:46,633
-Or he thinks it is.
-But nothing on the scanner?
894
00:39:46,718 --> 00:39:49,761
Oh, all kinds of problems.
It's rocky as could be.
895
00:39:49,846 --> 00:39:52,222
-Oh.
-But the good news is,
it was a great adventure.
896
00:39:52,265 --> 00:39:56,017
Uh, this bob kreipke guy
reminded me of the enthusiasm,
897
00:39:56,061 --> 00:39:57,685
you know, I mean he's just...
898
00:39:57,729 --> 00:39:59,312
-He's all in.
-Yeah, he's all in.
899
00:39:59,398 --> 00:40:02,399
And poverty island
is scary-looking.
900
00:40:02,484 --> 00:40:05,944
There's an old abandoned
lighthouse falling all apart,
901
00:40:06,029 --> 00:40:07,612
and the island itself
902
00:40:07,697 --> 00:40:10,073
is sitting on blocks
of limestone
903
00:40:10,117 --> 00:40:11,783
that aren't really connected.
904
00:40:11,868 --> 00:40:13,535
I mean, it is creepy.
905
00:40:13,620 --> 00:40:16,871
Creepy in a real kind
of spine-tingly sense.
906
00:40:16,957 --> 00:40:18,623
It's also full of snakes.
907
00:40:18,708 --> 00:40:22,085
-Oh. Ooh. Ooh.
908
00:40:22,170 --> 00:40:24,879
the thing about going to
actually look, which you know,
909
00:40:24,965 --> 00:40:26,714
going to actually look
at a site,
910
00:40:26,758 --> 00:40:28,591
you know, you can
picture it, right?
911
00:40:28,677 --> 00:40:30,218
-Oh, yeah.
-You can see the ship coming.
912
00:40:30,303 --> 00:40:31,636
The guys are terrified
913
00:40:31,721 --> 00:40:33,012
because they're being
pursued by the enemy.
914
00:40:33,098 --> 00:40:35,098
They know they're
gonna get captured,
915
00:40:35,142 --> 00:40:36,391
they're in a slower boat,
916
00:40:36,476 --> 00:40:38,893
so they do
what desperate people do.
917
00:40:41,064 --> 00:40:42,981
There's five boxes of treasure,
918
00:40:43,066 --> 00:40:46,234
supposedly containing gold
and silver, as always,
919
00:40:46,319 --> 00:40:48,736
-which would be
the currency of the day.
-Sure.
920
00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:50,280
-Multimillions, for sure.
-Oh, really?
921
00:40:50,365 --> 00:40:53,074
Perhaps-perhaps hundreds
of millions. Big numbers.
922
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,243
Oh, well,
so the question then is,
923
00:40:55,328 --> 00:40:58,538
because it's such
a strange island,
924
00:40:58,623 --> 00:41:00,415
do you think they set sail
for that
925
00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:03,626
or-or went towards that,
because then they would know
926
00:41:03,712 --> 00:41:06,087
where to look for the treasure,
or once that was...
927
00:41:06,173 --> 00:41:07,422
Yeah, uh, that-that could
very well be,
928
00:41:07,507 --> 00:41:09,299
that-that when they were
being pursued...
929
00:41:09,342 --> 00:41:11,092
In-in those days,
pursuits weren't, you know,
930
00:41:11,178 --> 00:41:13,303
they didn't take five minutes,
they might have taken all day.
931
00:41:13,388 --> 00:41:15,638
-Sure.
-And that's a treacherous area.
932
00:41:15,682 --> 00:41:16,973
There's a series of islands.
933
00:41:17,058 --> 00:41:18,475
So they might have been
trying to get in there
934
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:19,976
and get out of sight.
935
00:41:20,061 --> 00:41:21,478
They would have headed
for somewhere-- "let's get
936
00:41:21,563 --> 00:41:23,146
to somewhere where we might
be able to find this. Okay."
937
00:41:23,231 --> 00:41:24,898
they chained
these chests together,
938
00:41:24,983 --> 00:41:26,524
they threw them overboard
so they'd come back
939
00:41:26,610 --> 00:41:28,985
-and drag the bottom
and-and pick them back up.
-Sure.
940
00:41:29,070 --> 00:41:32,113
And here's the thing:
Maybe they did.
941
00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:33,990
Although, probably not.
942
00:41:34,075 --> 00:41:35,533
I think they're still there.
943
00:41:35,619 --> 00:41:37,744
He does--
obviously, he thinks so, too.
944
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:39,662
:
Oh, yeah. Yeah, he does.
945
00:41:39,748 --> 00:41:42,332
It's this very spirit,
the very essence
946
00:41:42,375 --> 00:41:43,374
of treasure hunting, right?
947
00:41:43,460 --> 00:41:45,001
-You don't give up.
-No.
948
00:41:45,086 --> 00:41:47,837
You-- it's still there,
you just haven't found it.
949
00:41:47,923 --> 00:41:49,506
-Well.
-You come next time.
950
00:41:49,591 --> 00:41:51,090
-I-I will.
-We'll find it.
We'll find those boxes.
951
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,344
well, speaking of that,
don't you think we better
952
00:41:54,429 --> 00:41:55,512
-go find those boxes...
-Yeah, I think that we've got
953
00:41:55,597 --> 00:41:56,513
some boxes
of our own to find here.
954
00:41:56,598 --> 00:41:58,515
So anyway, let's go.
955
00:42:01,228 --> 00:42:04,020
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