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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,641 --> 00:00:09,641 We're not supposed to be here. 2 00:00:11,479 --> 00:00:14,446 You ever have those moments when you step back and you wonder, 3 00:00:14,481 --> 00:00:18,217 Who convinced you that this was going to be a good time? 4 00:00:20,988 --> 00:00:24,323 Well, in this case, it was me. 5 00:00:26,227 --> 00:00:28,594 I convinced myself that we should go to romania and 6 00:00:28,629 --> 00:00:31,597 Look at the curse of vlad the impaler. 7 00:00:32,199 --> 00:00:33,443 I thought it could be hilarious, 8 00:00:33,467 --> 00:00:35,434 You know, booze it up in bucharest, 9 00:00:35,469 --> 00:00:38,003 You know, hit the clubs, have a few laughs, 10 00:00:38,039 --> 00:00:42,207 Hear a scary story, but then. 11 00:00:43,577 --> 00:00:47,780 You end up freezing in an ancient transylvanian forest 12 00:00:47,815 --> 00:00:52,718 And no, I didn't get a groupon for a romania folk dance experience. 13 00:00:52,987 --> 00:00:55,054 These are real witches, 14 00:00:56,557 --> 00:00:58,023 Wielding black magic in the 15 00:00:58,059 --> 00:01:00,159 Same place vlad the impaler, 16 00:01:00,194 --> 00:01:02,561 Supposedly, had his head chopped off. 17 00:01:05,599 --> 00:01:07,566 That's cool, it's all good. 18 00:01:07,601 --> 00:01:09,835 I'm sure everything will be just fine. 19 00:01:13,474 --> 00:01:16,208 As a writer and explorer, as a citizen of the world, 20 00:01:16,243 --> 00:01:21,346 I've seen things that defy understanding and sometimes, 21 00:01:21,382 --> 00:01:23,715 When there's no good explanation, 22 00:01:23,751 --> 00:01:29,388 We blame the supernatural, but the truth is, 23 00:01:29,423 --> 00:01:30,556 I believe in science. 24 00:01:30,591 --> 00:01:31,924 Taking off. 25 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:33,870 So, what happens if you bring the full light of 26 00:01:33,894 --> 00:01:37,663 Modern science onto ancient curses? 27 00:01:39,500 --> 00:01:44,236 You wind up at a seance in the woods with romanian witches 28 00:01:44,271 --> 00:01:47,239 And follow a vampire hunter to his place of business. 29 00:01:47,641 --> 00:01:48,841 That's what happens. 30 00:01:48,876 --> 00:01:50,754 They said, "please, help us." 31 00:01:50,778 --> 00:01:51,710 So he's not afraid of. 32 00:01:51,745 --> 00:01:53,579 No, he's not. 33 00:01:55,216 --> 00:01:57,349 Good luck. 34 00:01:57,384 --> 00:01:59,218 You're gonna need it. 35 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:07,074 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.OpenSubtitles.org today 36 00:02:15,903 --> 00:02:20,139 Transylvania, the name conjures it all, 37 00:02:20,174 --> 00:02:23,809 Dense pine, impassable craggy cliffs, 38 00:02:23,844 --> 00:02:26,111 Thick ground fog. 39 00:02:26,447 --> 00:02:29,348 This is the mythic forest of your childhood nightmare. 40 00:02:32,853 --> 00:02:36,288 Bran castle, billed as the last standing relic of 41 00:02:36,323 --> 00:02:39,258 A man some call, dracula. 42 00:02:42,096 --> 00:02:45,130 The story goes that romania's bottomless well of tyranny, 43 00:02:45,166 --> 00:02:47,399 Catastrophe and overall human misery, 44 00:02:47,434 --> 00:02:50,802 Can all be traced back to one terrifying ruler and 45 00:02:50,838 --> 00:02:52,871 His supernatural evil. 46 00:03:05,686 --> 00:03:06,985 Ah. Okay. 47 00:03:07,021 --> 00:03:10,055 So, have you ever heard of the curse of vlad tepes? 48 00:03:10,891 --> 00:03:13,358 Yeah. 49 00:03:13,394 --> 00:03:15,827 He lost his wife, he lost his dynasty, 50 00:03:15,863 --> 00:03:19,998 He lost his family and he signed a document in order to 51 00:03:20,034 --> 00:03:23,802 Bring a curse down against his enemy, 52 00:03:23,837 --> 00:03:26,205 And he promised that he will return, 53 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,241 That was his curse and I will take revenge against those 54 00:03:29,276 --> 00:03:31,310 That they betrayed me. 55 00:03:32,379 --> 00:03:36,748 He was killed and his body was buried in the monastery nearby bucharest. 56 00:03:36,784 --> 00:03:39,484 Later on, when they opened the coffin, 57 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,689 They never found his body, which is quite creepy. 58 00:03:43,724 --> 00:03:45,157 Yeah, right. 59 00:03:45,192 --> 00:03:48,460 You do start to wonder what if he's coming back again? 60 00:03:48,495 --> 00:03:49,973 So you'd be worried if you were his enemy? 61 00:03:49,997 --> 00:03:50,862 You might be a little nervous. 62 00:03:50,898 --> 00:03:53,031 - Oh yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. 63 00:03:54,535 --> 00:03:59,204 Vlad spent much of his life constructing a fearsome persona. 64 00:03:59,740 --> 00:04:03,175 In some ways, his reputation was so extreme that it haunts 65 00:04:03,210 --> 00:04:05,043 The entire world. 66 00:04:14,521 --> 00:04:15,554 Gross. 67 00:04:19,793 --> 00:04:21,827 Oh my god, three days? 68 00:04:25,199 --> 00:04:26,610 Yeah. Yeah. 69 00:04:26,634 --> 00:04:28,915 What are some of the other ways he would do it? 70 00:04:32,106 --> 00:04:33,106 Wow. 71 00:04:46,553 --> 00:04:48,513 He sounds like a really nice guy. 72 00:04:53,260 --> 00:04:55,594 Yeah, fascists always say that. 73 00:04:58,332 --> 00:05:02,601 Once he took power in 1448, vlad began a lifelong battle 74 00:05:02,636 --> 00:05:04,536 To protect his country from invaders, 75 00:05:04,571 --> 00:05:08,974 From all sides; hungarians, rival nobles but, 76 00:05:09,009 --> 00:05:11,243 Most of all, the ever expanding, 77 00:05:11,312 --> 00:05:15,080 Ruthless ottoman empire, vlad's mortal enemy. 78 00:05:16,784 --> 00:05:18,995 The other kings and rulers of his time had surrendered and 79 00:05:19,019 --> 00:05:21,687 They all paid tribute, but vlad fought on, 80 00:05:22,690 --> 00:05:25,657 With a sheer hatred that defies description. 81 00:05:26,927 --> 00:05:30,395 Perhaps because the ottoman's had kidnapped as a child and, 82 00:05:30,431 --> 00:05:33,398 By the time his father and brother were killed, 83 00:05:33,434 --> 00:05:36,568 His hatred had grown so virulent that we still make 84 00:05:36,603 --> 00:05:39,137 Tv shows about him, 600 years later. 85 00:05:43,577 --> 00:05:45,744 Vlad, himself, he was right here. 86 00:05:45,779 --> 00:05:47,012 Yeah, right here. 87 00:05:49,550 --> 00:05:50,550 Amazing. 88 00:05:59,126 --> 00:06:00,625 Wow. 89 00:06:04,298 --> 00:06:08,200 You know, 600 years ago, there was a real person in here. 90 00:06:10,204 --> 00:06:16,174 Vlad the impaler, looked out his little window, 91 00:06:16,210 --> 00:06:17,876 Thought about revenge. 92 00:06:24,551 --> 00:06:28,453 Now this little beauty here can be yours for $7. 93 00:06:28,489 --> 00:06:31,590 No one ever lets a curse stand in the way of profit. 94 00:06:37,698 --> 00:06:39,064 There you go. 95 00:06:40,434 --> 00:06:43,201 But the truth is, we're all here because vlad's fearsome 96 00:06:43,237 --> 00:06:46,505 Reputation so inflamed imaginations, 97 00:06:46,540 --> 00:06:49,207 Including an irish writer named, bram stoker. 98 00:06:50,611 --> 00:06:52,389 Bram never even visited romania, 99 00:06:52,413 --> 00:06:55,480 But he used vlad's name and legend as the basis for one of 100 00:06:55,516 --> 00:06:57,749 The most potent horror symbols of all time. 101 00:06:59,753 --> 00:07:02,921 There's no escaping the vampire in pop culture, 102 00:07:03,590 --> 00:07:06,191 But the question I have is pretty simple, 103 00:07:07,127 --> 00:07:10,328 Is the curse of vlad real? 104 00:07:10,364 --> 00:07:13,064 Tell me about this letter from vlad tepes. 105 00:07:31,118 --> 00:07:34,030 Kind of a cool way of punctuating requests, you know, 106 00:07:34,054 --> 00:07:37,422 "hey man, give me a beer, or I'm gonna lay your kingdom to waste and 107 00:07:37,458 --> 00:07:39,758 Your kids are gonna rot in hell for eternity." 108 00:07:40,961 --> 00:07:42,928 There you go. 109 00:07:42,963 --> 00:07:46,731 Do you think vlad's curse has affected bucharest? 110 00:08:05,519 --> 00:08:08,453 Caradja's plague, that was the prince who came 111 00:08:08,489 --> 00:08:11,923 After vlad tepes, was killed. 112 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:14,125 Yes. 113 00:08:16,997 --> 00:08:19,142 Bucharest is already on edge after the mythic 114 00:08:19,166 --> 00:08:22,767 Vlad the impaler has cursed them for all eternity. 115 00:08:24,304 --> 00:08:27,072 And then, after years of devastating fires, 116 00:08:27,107 --> 00:08:31,343 Earthquakes, wars, a ruler appointed by his sworn enemy, 117 00:08:31,378 --> 00:08:34,079 The ottoman empire, assumes power. 118 00:08:34,214 --> 00:08:36,515 And, guess what happens next? 119 00:08:36,550 --> 00:08:39,985 The palace and the center of bucharest burns to the ground. 120 00:08:41,955 --> 00:08:44,189 That could be a coincidence, or, 121 00:08:44,224 --> 00:08:47,559 More likely a parting gift from the outgoing administration. 122 00:08:48,595 --> 00:08:51,096 But then people start getting sick. 123 00:08:51,999 --> 00:08:56,268 450 years after the black death, 124 00:08:56,303 --> 00:08:59,337 Bucharest plunges into an outbreak that must have felt 125 00:08:59,373 --> 00:09:01,573 Like the zombie apocalypse. 126 00:09:04,845 --> 00:09:06,805 What did they think caused the plague? 127 00:09:11,184 --> 00:09:15,086 God was punishing them, kind of like a curse. 128 00:09:16,490 --> 00:09:18,490 During the plague, where did they put the bodies? 129 00:09:32,739 --> 00:09:35,373 Can we visit those mass graves now? 130 00:09:35,409 --> 00:09:37,576 Can you go see where those bodies are buried? 131 00:09:37,611 --> 00:09:39,691 Is there a memorial or anything to look at? 132 00:10:00,968 --> 00:10:02,767 It's totally normal. 133 00:10:02,803 --> 00:10:05,737 There's absolutely nothing strange or symbolic about 134 00:10:05,772 --> 00:10:08,974 Building your parliament on top of a mass grave, 135 00:10:09,943 --> 00:10:12,310 But seriously, we should go down there, right? 136 00:10:28,161 --> 00:10:31,529 You know, just wanted to see for myself these tunnels 137 00:10:31,565 --> 00:10:37,602 That were stuffed with bodies during the plague outbreak. 138 00:10:50,617 --> 00:10:52,550 Yeah, we're not supposed to be here. 139 00:11:06,900 --> 00:11:09,968 Vlad the impaler put a written curse on his land. 140 00:11:10,971 --> 00:11:13,538 Years after his death, when an ottoman appointed prince 141 00:11:13,573 --> 00:11:18,276 Showed up to claim the throne, all hell broke loose, 142 00:11:20,747 --> 00:11:24,049 And it must have felt like the ultimate confirmation of the curse. 143 00:11:28,889 --> 00:11:31,256 With coronavirus, people around the world have gotten a 144 00:11:31,291 --> 00:11:35,260 Glimpse of what a scary outbreak can be like, 145 00:11:36,430 --> 00:11:38,408 But statistically, the majority of patients who 146 00:11:38,432 --> 00:11:40,498 Contract the coronavirus survive. 147 00:11:41,735 --> 00:11:44,936 Caradja's plague was totally different, 148 00:11:44,971 --> 00:11:47,939 The death rate was more than 50%. 149 00:11:50,377 --> 00:11:54,813 It's got to have felt like the world is ending. 150 00:11:56,783 --> 00:11:58,383 The psychic wound, you know, 151 00:11:58,418 --> 00:12:01,986 On a city, on a people, on a nation. 152 00:12:02,689 --> 00:12:07,492 It's something that you would never get over and you would 153 00:12:07,527 --> 00:12:10,295 Pass that fear along to your children. 154 00:12:12,199 --> 00:12:14,566 It's almost like the sheer terror of living through that 155 00:12:14,601 --> 00:12:18,436 Particular plague left a scar that's been passed down. 156 00:12:19,172 --> 00:12:24,442 Many modern romanians see this outbreak as proof of vlad's curse, 157 00:12:24,478 --> 00:12:26,878 But I wonder, can we find a point where 158 00:12:26,913 --> 00:12:28,580 Myth and science intersect? 159 00:12:30,250 --> 00:12:33,985 Was there something truly anomalous about caradja's plague? 160 00:12:38,024 --> 00:12:40,625 This is the mathematical model. Okay. 161 00:12:40,660 --> 00:12:42,672 That's widely used in disease ecology. 162 00:12:42,696 --> 00:12:45,663 So, we took historical data from the black death, 163 00:12:45,699 --> 00:12:47,098 The bubonic plague. 164 00:12:47,134 --> 00:12:48,366 Sure. 165 00:12:48,401 --> 00:12:50,841 - Would you like to see? - Yeah, please, by all means. 166 00:12:52,773 --> 00:12:56,341 These are spatial representations of people 167 00:12:56,376 --> 00:12:58,409 Dying all across the city. 168 00:12:58,445 --> 00:12:59,344 Wow. 169 00:12:59,379 --> 00:13:00,790 And then, it, it burns itself out, 170 00:13:00,814 --> 00:13:03,348 As epidemics do, and it starts to plateau. 171 00:13:03,383 --> 00:13:04,582 Okay. 172 00:13:04,618 --> 00:13:07,185 So, my husband and I have been working on your 173 00:13:07,220 --> 00:13:10,522 Mathematical model of caradja's plague, 174 00:13:10,557 --> 00:13:13,491 This was a really terrifying plague. 175 00:13:14,327 --> 00:13:15,160 Wow. 176 00:13:15,195 --> 00:13:17,328 Much more aggressive epidemic, 177 00:13:17,364 --> 00:13:18,696 Once it happens it just, 178 00:13:18,732 --> 00:13:20,965 You know, wipes through the city super quickly. 179 00:13:21,001 --> 00:13:22,100 Wow. 180 00:13:22,135 --> 00:13:24,046 But something else is going wrong too. 181 00:13:24,070 --> 00:13:25,470 Okay. 182 00:13:25,505 --> 00:13:27,016 Some people have looked at these epidemic curves and said, 183 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,108 "okay, well there must be, what we call, pneumonic plagues." 184 00:13:30,143 --> 00:13:33,378 And that's when the disease is deep in your lungs, 185 00:13:33,413 --> 00:13:35,446 Can spread it directly, person to person. 186 00:13:35,482 --> 00:13:36,614 Wow. 187 00:13:36,650 --> 00:13:38,583 Then quarantine is established, 188 00:13:38,618 --> 00:13:41,419 So, you're walking around the city where they had 189 00:13:41,454 --> 00:13:44,022 Piles of human bodies. 190 00:13:44,057 --> 00:13:46,457 There's stories about them raping, stealing, 191 00:13:46,493 --> 00:13:49,894 Even killing plague victims; 192 00:13:49,930 --> 00:13:51,763 Complete societal breakdown. 193 00:13:52,766 --> 00:13:55,166 So all these things may have combined to make this 194 00:13:55,202 --> 00:13:57,635 Into just a complete hellish nightmare. 195 00:13:57,671 --> 00:13:59,315 It's a hellish, sort of, end of days... 196 00:13:59,339 --> 00:14:00,550 Scenario. Scenario. 197 00:14:00,574 --> 00:14:02,273 - Right. - It killed half the city, 198 00:14:02,309 --> 00:14:05,743 Maybe more, but there hadn't been a plague epidemic 199 00:14:05,779 --> 00:14:07,879 Anywhere else. 200 00:14:07,914 --> 00:14:11,916 As an ecologist you say, "how could that be?" 201 00:14:12,285 --> 00:14:13,318 "what was it?" 202 00:14:15,455 --> 00:14:17,989 Wow. Yeah. 203 00:14:20,460 --> 00:14:22,760 It's hard to imagine what a family losing nearly 204 00:14:22,796 --> 00:14:26,097 50% of its members would feel like. 205 00:14:28,501 --> 00:14:33,171 Imagine your own family and pick half, 206 00:14:33,206 --> 00:14:36,574 The scare that would leave on a generation. 207 00:14:36,610 --> 00:14:38,676 That's something you would never get over. 208 00:14:44,417 --> 00:14:46,784 Caradja's plague could've given the curse a literal 209 00:14:46,820 --> 00:14:51,656 Grounding and an emphasis that burned in into the minds of bucharest, 210 00:14:51,691 --> 00:14:54,626 But that was hundreds of years ago. 211 00:14:54,828 --> 00:14:57,061 Are there any lingering effects today? 212 00:14:58,999 --> 00:15:01,199 In the deep dark woods outside of bucharest, 213 00:15:01,234 --> 00:15:04,035 There's a place called, the witches pond. 214 00:15:05,138 --> 00:15:08,740 A place where the legacy of the curse shows surprising life. 215 00:15:13,546 --> 00:15:17,148 The business of witchcraft in romania is booming and 216 00:15:17,183 --> 00:15:20,218 Mihaela minka is the reigning queen. 217 00:15:20,887 --> 00:15:24,555 She's a witch and there are thousands of others just like her. 218 00:15:27,027 --> 00:15:28,493 How did I find her? 219 00:15:28,528 --> 00:15:31,129 Well, I tied a note to a raven's foot with an eye of newt 220 00:15:31,164 --> 00:15:32,830 And the tongue of a bat. 221 00:15:33,867 --> 00:15:35,811 No I'm kidding, I hit her up on instagram, 222 00:15:35,835 --> 00:15:37,969 I slid into her dm's. 223 00:15:38,004 --> 00:15:40,338 I might add that to contacts. 224 00:15:44,577 --> 00:15:46,177 Why is this a special place? 225 00:15:53,687 --> 00:15:55,520 - He was killed? - Yeah. 226 00:15:56,356 --> 00:15:58,156 - They cut his head off. - Yeah. 227 00:16:15,108 --> 00:16:17,375 If I wanted to curse someone, 228 00:16:17,410 --> 00:16:20,211 Or to do black magic, could I pay, 229 00:16:20,246 --> 00:16:23,047 And you could do a bad spell to them? 230 00:16:23,083 --> 00:16:27,618 Yes, her grandmother killed much people with black magic. 231 00:16:27,654 --> 00:16:29,414 - Oh yeah? - Yeah, because. 232 00:16:42,068 --> 00:16:43,188 I understand, yeah. 233 00:16:55,615 --> 00:16:58,282 Mihaela and the other black magic practitioners 234 00:16:58,318 --> 00:17:00,184 Offer their services online. 235 00:17:00,220 --> 00:17:02,220 $100 and an internet connection 236 00:17:02,255 --> 00:17:04,288 And you can dole out a curse. 237 00:17:05,125 --> 00:17:08,426 Just as easily, you could be the subject of one. 238 00:17:08,461 --> 00:17:11,262 But the romanians spend millions of dollars a year on 239 00:17:11,297 --> 00:17:14,098 Health charms and hexes and love potions. 240 00:17:14,134 --> 00:17:16,212 It got to the point where the romanian government attempted 241 00:17:16,236 --> 00:17:18,970 To tax the black market of black magic. 242 00:17:19,005 --> 00:17:21,606 They're not the type of people you want to upset. 243 00:17:23,443 --> 00:17:26,377 Now a group of angry witches in romania is taking 244 00:17:26,413 --> 00:17:28,980 On the government with a unique tax protest. 245 00:17:30,483 --> 00:17:32,650 The witches responded with curses, 246 00:17:32,685 --> 00:17:35,520 They threw poisonous mandrake into the danube, 247 00:17:35,555 --> 00:17:38,656 I'm not gonna say it's proof about who believes what, 248 00:17:38,691 --> 00:17:42,093 But we did see a marked change in the behavior of the highest 249 00:17:42,128 --> 00:17:44,462 Levels of the romanian government. 250 00:17:44,764 --> 00:17:47,765 They not only backed down, but also wore purple clothing, 251 00:17:47,801 --> 00:17:50,868 As purple is the color that protects from curses. 252 00:17:52,972 --> 00:17:56,808 In this case, black magic proved pretty effective. 253 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,714 So that was, that was pretty intense. 254 00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:06,617 I'll say this, if, if mihaela cursed you, 255 00:18:06,653 --> 00:18:08,519 I think you'd wonder. 256 00:18:09,322 --> 00:18:12,423 Her conviction was so compelling. 257 00:18:12,459 --> 00:18:15,493 I think you'd think about it in your dark moments. 258 00:18:16,930 --> 00:18:18,496 Just in case. 259 00:18:21,968 --> 00:18:25,403 A curse works when people believe it works and the 260 00:18:25,438 --> 00:18:28,005 Prevalence of witchcraft means that a lot of folks are, 261 00:18:28,041 --> 00:18:30,475 At least, open to the idea. 262 00:18:32,178 --> 00:18:33,978 But, how deep does it go? 263 00:18:34,013 --> 00:18:36,514 How dark can it get? 264 00:18:36,916 --> 00:18:39,450 Is there a big difference between the western attitudes 265 00:18:39,486 --> 00:18:41,686 About witchcraft or the supernatural, 266 00:18:41,721 --> 00:18:44,388 And the attitudes of multi-generational romanians? 267 00:18:48,561 --> 00:18:49,360 Ovijo 268 00:18:49,395 --> 00:18:50,561 Yeah hi. 269 00:18:50,597 --> 00:18:51,607 Hi, how are you, sam. 270 00:18:51,631 --> 00:18:52,775 Ovijo, nice to meet you. 271 00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:55,166 - Yeah, ovijo nice to meet you. - Yeah, thanks. 272 00:18:55,201 --> 00:18:58,136 A local journalist has offered to help me get access to a 273 00:18:58,171 --> 00:19:01,372 Small village called marotinu de sus, 274 00:19:01,407 --> 00:19:03,052 Where there is a man who fights the ghosts 275 00:19:03,076 --> 00:19:05,042 Of romanian superstition. 276 00:19:05,512 --> 00:19:07,979 But this is something no one in town wants exposed because 277 00:19:08,014 --> 00:19:10,548 There was an avalanche of blow back before. 278 00:19:11,451 --> 00:19:14,118 So, our source is understandably wary. 279 00:19:14,821 --> 00:19:16,565 We found out about this guy, 280 00:19:16,589 --> 00:19:19,090 Mircea mitrica, is his name. 281 00:19:19,125 --> 00:19:21,570 He doesn't want us to go at his house. Right. 282 00:19:21,594 --> 00:19:24,729 He doesn't wanna be seen by the neighbors. 283 00:19:24,764 --> 00:19:28,733 We're gonna go with him at his goat fold, 284 00:19:28,768 --> 00:19:30,212 You know, where he keeps the goats. 285 00:19:30,236 --> 00:19:31,369 Sounds great. 286 00:19:31,404 --> 00:19:33,070 I love a good goat fold. 287 00:19:33,139 --> 00:19:35,806 And, uh, he's gonna talk to us there. 288 00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:39,443 Well, we'll be very low profile. 289 00:19:39,479 --> 00:19:42,780 You gotta be careful how, how you approach, 290 00:19:42,815 --> 00:19:46,784 It's a total different situation in the countryside. 291 00:19:46,819 --> 00:19:48,786 Is he okay doing camera work? 292 00:19:48,821 --> 00:19:50,788 He's okay to be filmed? 293 00:19:50,823 --> 00:19:52,356 So it seems. 294 00:20:00,466 --> 00:20:04,969 So, we've gotta be a little careful about how we do this. 295 00:20:06,573 --> 00:20:09,607 This guy's gonna be real squirrelies 296 00:20:09,642 --> 00:20:13,010 And I don't wanna spook him, so keep the cameras down and, 297 00:20:13,046 --> 00:20:14,779 And just, you know, low profile, 298 00:20:14,814 --> 00:20:16,814 Incognito, you know, real slick. 299 00:20:16,849 --> 00:20:19,610 That's what I want you to do. Got it, yeah, yeah. 300 00:20:28,261 --> 00:20:29,305 Is that him? Yeah. 301 00:20:29,329 --> 00:20:30,628 Okay. 302 00:20:48,715 --> 00:20:51,282 Sam. 303 00:20:51,317 --> 00:20:52,750 You come with us? 304 00:21:01,594 --> 00:21:04,795 Yeah. Okay. 305 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,274 , 306 00:21:16,309 --> 00:21:18,542 Sam. 307 00:21:18,578 --> 00:21:20,211 You come with us? 308 00:21:24,784 --> 00:21:27,551 Believing in giving money to witches is one thing, 309 00:21:27,587 --> 00:21:30,221 Even in the us we give two billion dollars a year to 310 00:21:30,256 --> 00:21:32,890 Psychics and everyone reads their horoscope, 311 00:21:32,925 --> 00:21:35,192 Mostly because the stakes are low. 312 00:21:35,228 --> 00:21:38,129 You still have to go to work when saturn is an ascendance, 313 00:21:38,164 --> 00:21:40,398 Or the moon is in retrograde, right? 314 00:21:40,433 --> 00:21:42,833 But it feels like there's something darker and more 315 00:21:42,869 --> 00:21:45,603 Profound at work here, in romania. 316 00:21:45,638 --> 00:21:47,938 Vlad the impaler's curse drove its hooks into the 317 00:21:47,974 --> 00:21:51,108 National psyche six centuries ago. 318 00:21:51,144 --> 00:21:52,643 How dark does it get? 319 00:22:18,671 --> 00:22:20,705 What is a moroi? 320 00:22:20,740 --> 00:22:23,040 Depends on which village you live in. 321 00:22:23,076 --> 00:22:25,543 To some, it's a simple ghost. 322 00:22:25,578 --> 00:22:28,446 In other places, it's much more like the familiar vampire, 323 00:22:28,481 --> 00:22:30,548 Feeding on the blood of the living. 324 00:22:31,150 --> 00:22:34,352 In mircea's village, the moroi is still a member of the genus 325 00:22:34,387 --> 00:22:37,955 And species undead supernaturalist, 326 00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:40,991 But here, the moroi is an invisible phantom who leaves 327 00:22:41,027 --> 00:22:44,895 The grave and infests the body of a living relative. 328 00:22:44,931 --> 00:22:47,465 How did you know it was a moroi? 329 00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:49,745 Yeah, they told him, it's because of the moroi. 330 00:22:49,769 --> 00:22:52,503 They said, please help us, you know. 331 00:22:52,538 --> 00:22:53,904 Right. 332 00:23:28,474 --> 00:23:30,741 Does that kill the moroi? 333 00:23:44,657 --> 00:23:46,824 Wow, so just two days and she's cured. 334 00:23:55,334 --> 00:23:58,135 How did you first learn about moroi? 335 00:24:04,944 --> 00:24:07,104 When I was five, I slept with a night light. 336 00:24:18,157 --> 00:24:19,268 'cause he's not afraid of. 337 00:24:19,292 --> 00:24:21,659 - No, he's not. - Yeah, I can tell. 338 00:24:25,031 --> 00:24:29,400 What's amazing is the elders were doing this and mircea 339 00:24:29,435 --> 00:24:34,805 As five-year-old and was brave enough to go witness and 340 00:24:34,841 --> 00:24:37,107 Be part of it. 341 00:24:37,143 --> 00:24:41,645 Just hard to imagine my kid going into graves and exhume 342 00:24:41,681 --> 00:24:47,251 The body and get the heart, but if you grew up out here, 343 00:24:47,286 --> 00:24:51,355 You'd have a much different understanding of death. 344 00:24:54,994 --> 00:24:57,461 There's no question that romania is still steeped in 345 00:24:57,497 --> 00:25:00,197 Mysticism and myth. 346 00:25:00,399 --> 00:25:04,001 Add the curse of a vengeful vlad to the mix and you've got 347 00:25:04,036 --> 00:25:07,204 Yourself an all you can eat buffet of supernatural belief 348 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,306 Sweeping the countryside. 349 00:25:10,910 --> 00:25:14,211 But what about here, in bucharest? 350 00:25:14,247 --> 00:25:16,981 On the surface, a modern-day metropolis, 351 00:25:17,016 --> 00:25:21,318 Bright lights, cafes, people's noses buried in virtual 352 00:25:21,354 --> 00:25:23,988 Realities on a five-inch screen. 353 00:25:27,460 --> 00:25:29,226 Thank you. 354 00:25:42,041 --> 00:25:45,643 This isn't the hang out spot for vampire hunters, 355 00:25:45,678 --> 00:25:49,513 There's no witches' cauldrons boiling in the kitchen. 356 00:25:50,716 --> 00:25:54,818 This is an entire generation of post-communist romanians. 357 00:25:55,221 --> 00:25:58,222 They grew up with search engines in their pockets. 358 00:25:58,824 --> 00:26:01,625 Do they believe they're destined for darkness? 359 00:26:05,598 --> 00:26:06,864 I go what is this? 360 00:26:09,969 --> 00:26:10,834 Adrian? 361 00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:14,204 - Hi. - How you doing, man? 362 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:15,751 I'm good, here with my friends. 363 00:26:15,775 --> 00:26:17,908 Hi, I'm maria, nice to meet you. 364 00:26:17,944 --> 00:26:19,888 - Hello, andrew. - Andrew, nice to meet you. 365 00:26:19,912 --> 00:26:21,690 We're having the beer, would you like one? 366 00:26:21,714 --> 00:26:22,791 Yeah, I'll have a beer, 367 00:26:22,815 --> 00:26:23,614 Sure, thank you. 368 00:26:23,683 --> 00:26:25,249 There you go. 369 00:26:26,919 --> 00:26:29,064 Adrian and his friends were born after the fall of 370 00:26:29,088 --> 00:26:32,022 Ceausescu's totalitarian regime. 371 00:26:32,058 --> 00:26:34,036 It was one of the most oppressive in the entire 372 00:26:34,060 --> 00:26:37,795 Soviet union, so what do the kids these days think about a 373 00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:40,831 600 year old legend? 374 00:26:41,067 --> 00:26:42,967 Is romania cursed? 375 00:26:43,002 --> 00:26:44,646 Well, if you look at the, 376 00:26:44,670 --> 00:26:47,671 Like, last 500 years... 377 00:26:47,707 --> 00:26:49,239 Yeah. 378 00:26:49,275 --> 00:26:54,878 The wars, the plagues, fires that destroyed cities, the floods. 379 00:26:55,314 --> 00:26:58,215 Yeah, it's, it was something there and it's, 380 00:26:58,250 --> 00:26:59,917 Sort of, still affecting. 381 00:26:59,952 --> 00:27:01,151 You believe it? 382 00:27:01,187 --> 00:27:05,456 If you asked me, yeah, we're cursed. 383 00:27:05,491 --> 00:27:09,593 People say this is in our blood. 384 00:27:09,962 --> 00:27:12,262 You don't hear that every day. 385 00:27:12,298 --> 00:27:15,332 Unless, you live in romania. 386 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,407 So could the blood of modern-day romanians hold 387 00:27:23,442 --> 00:27:25,809 Evidence of a curse? 388 00:27:25,845 --> 00:27:30,381 Could there be some sort of profound truth in a toothless cliché? 389 00:27:30,416 --> 00:27:33,651 Could centuries of upheaval and trauma leave effects we 390 00:27:33,686 --> 00:27:36,720 Could measure in the blood? 391 00:27:38,891 --> 00:27:41,558 Remember 25 minutes ago when I told you I was going to map 392 00:27:41,594 --> 00:27:45,295 The intersection of science and myth? 393 00:27:45,331 --> 00:27:48,165 Yeah, well, here comes the science part. 394 00:27:57,877 --> 00:28:00,377 The name, the reputation, 395 00:28:00,413 --> 00:28:02,479 So fearsome we still talk about it, 396 00:28:02,515 --> 00:28:05,182 600 years later. 397 00:28:05,217 --> 00:28:08,585 He was the ultimate medieval fearmonger and he fought to 398 00:28:08,621 --> 00:28:10,165 Protect his country from enemies, 399 00:28:10,189 --> 00:28:13,190 Domestic and foreign, by skewering tens of thousands 400 00:28:13,225 --> 00:28:15,859 Of humans at a time. 401 00:28:15,895 --> 00:28:18,796 Before his death, he issued a written curse and, 402 00:28:18,831 --> 00:28:22,533 In the six centuries since, one horrible tragedy after the 403 00:28:22,568 --> 00:28:26,770 Next has been blamed on vlad's infamous letter. 404 00:28:28,207 --> 00:28:33,010 So I wonder, could a curse, somehow manifest in the people? 405 00:28:33,045 --> 00:28:36,346 What I mean is, could it be hiding in their dna? 406 00:28:38,317 --> 00:28:40,484 This idea that you're talking about is a 407 00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:44,321 Psychological theory referred to as trans-generational trauma. 408 00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:45,289 Trans-generational trauma, 409 00:28:45,324 --> 00:28:46,435 Right. Trauma. 410 00:28:46,459 --> 00:28:49,793 And it's basically the idea that the generation that 411 00:28:49,829 --> 00:28:54,798 Experiences the trauma can pass it onto future generations. 412 00:28:54,834 --> 00:28:56,967 There would be some kind of long-term effect. 413 00:28:57,002 --> 00:29:00,237 Right, so, so just massive trauma can change your genes? 414 00:29:00,272 --> 00:29:05,476 Right, and the effects can be multi-generational. 415 00:29:06,011 --> 00:29:08,746 Trans-generational trauma has been documented in 416 00:29:08,781 --> 00:29:10,781 Children of holocaust survivors, 417 00:29:10,816 --> 00:29:14,251 Or, the descendants of slaves and in the native americans, 418 00:29:14,286 --> 00:29:15,786 Survivors of famine. 419 00:29:15,821 --> 00:29:18,088 Their offspring, many years later, 420 00:29:18,124 --> 00:29:20,724 Were shown to have increased obesity, 421 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,261 Schizophrenia, diabetes, showing that there was a 422 00:29:24,296 --> 00:29:26,697 Trans-generational trauma, altered by epigenetics. 423 00:29:26,732 --> 00:29:28,966 Right, wow. 424 00:29:30,402 --> 00:29:32,414 Epigenetics is basically, 425 00:29:32,438 --> 00:29:34,905 The study of how genes are turned on or off. 426 00:29:34,940 --> 00:29:38,108 It involves chemical modifications to dna and the 427 00:29:38,144 --> 00:29:41,912 Proteins associated with dna and it responds to both 428 00:29:41,947 --> 00:29:44,948 Internal stimuli and external stimuli. 429 00:29:44,984 --> 00:29:46,962 So you're saying, like, environmental factors can 430 00:29:46,986 --> 00:29:48,051 Change your dna? 431 00:29:48,087 --> 00:29:50,554 Yeah, but there has to be some pretty, 432 00:29:50,589 --> 00:29:54,958 You know, long lasting trauma that would have enough time 433 00:29:54,994 --> 00:29:58,595 For the body to reprogram itself. 434 00:29:58,631 --> 00:30:00,871 So, for decades, we thought we were stuck with the 435 00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:04,635 Genes we were born with and now you're telling me that 436 00:30:04,670 --> 00:30:07,871 Genes can change due to stress? 437 00:30:08,174 --> 00:30:10,707 Sounds like we're gonna have to change some textbooks. 438 00:30:10,743 --> 00:30:14,812 So, I was in romania and I started to wonder if 439 00:30:14,847 --> 00:30:18,715 An area had a history of, like, terrible trauma, 440 00:30:18,751 --> 00:30:20,595 It went back into the middle ages, 441 00:30:20,619 --> 00:30:22,853 Just horrible thing after horrible thing, 442 00:30:22,888 --> 00:30:25,155 Living in constant fear. 443 00:30:25,191 --> 00:30:30,160 Could there be something you'd see in the present-day people. 444 00:30:30,196 --> 00:30:32,296 Yes, and it couldn't be positive, right? 445 00:30:32,331 --> 00:30:34,676 So far, we're only talking about negative... Right. 446 00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:38,035 Predisposition but maybe you have a good predisposition. 447 00:30:39,538 --> 00:30:42,506 So this theory of mine, this idea that a country 448 00:30:42,541 --> 00:30:45,509 That's had hundreds of years of trauma, 449 00:30:45,544 --> 00:30:48,378 The people who live there would be more 450 00:30:48,414 --> 00:30:52,149 Resilient to trauma, is feasible? 451 00:30:52,184 --> 00:30:56,286 Right and that could be an epigenetic alteration of stress genes. 452 00:30:56,322 --> 00:30:59,256 There's no question what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. 453 00:30:59,291 --> 00:31:02,125 That's how I live my life. 454 00:31:04,964 --> 00:31:08,532 For an epigenetic alteration to occur in their stress genes, 455 00:31:08,567 --> 00:31:10,378 Romanians would have to be subject to 456 00:31:10,402 --> 00:31:12,836 Continuous trauma throughout their history, 457 00:31:12,872 --> 00:31:14,638 But have they? 458 00:31:14,673 --> 00:31:17,975 Look at the map, romania is consistently caught in the 459 00:31:18,010 --> 00:31:23,080 Vice between rival powers, between europe and the mongols, 460 00:31:23,115 --> 00:31:25,682 Between the ottoman turks and the christian nation, 461 00:31:25,718 --> 00:31:28,452 All the way up to nazi germany and the soviet union 462 00:31:28,487 --> 00:31:31,255 And the fall of the iron curtain. 463 00:31:31,290 --> 00:31:33,924 So, is there any evidence that romania's past has led to some 464 00:31:33,959 --> 00:31:37,561 Kind of resilience, or survival advantage. 465 00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:40,130 What do the locals think? 466 00:31:42,167 --> 00:31:44,768 I was 13 when we had the so-called revolution. 467 00:31:44,803 --> 00:31:48,472 It was not easy to get food, we had to manage, but... 468 00:31:48,507 --> 00:31:50,140 It's in your blood. 469 00:31:50,175 --> 00:31:52,142 Exactly. 470 00:32:07,626 --> 00:32:10,127 It's just one disaster after the next. 471 00:32:10,162 --> 00:32:12,963 But I think it makes us stronger. 472 00:32:15,868 --> 00:32:19,269 A ferry disaster in 1989 is just one of the horrible 473 00:32:19,305 --> 00:32:23,206 Events often attributed to vlad the impaler's curse, 474 00:32:23,242 --> 00:32:26,543 But this one has something pretty strange about it. 475 00:32:31,016 --> 00:32:34,618 We've got a survivor of that accident and I'm fascinated to 476 00:32:34,653 --> 00:32:39,957 Talk to him because foreign tourists died. 477 00:32:42,561 --> 00:32:46,697 There were 31 survivors and they were all romanian. 478 00:32:46,732 --> 00:32:51,034 Only the romanians survived, should be interesting. 479 00:33:06,352 --> 00:33:09,886 Tragedy happens every day, all over the world. 480 00:33:09,922 --> 00:33:13,023 It hides around every corner, reminding us that our lives 481 00:33:13,058 --> 00:33:16,560 Are more precarious than we'd like to admit. 482 00:33:17,162 --> 00:33:18,907 But as I've looked into the long history of 483 00:33:18,931 --> 00:33:21,198 Romanian tragedies, sometimes attributed to 484 00:33:21,233 --> 00:33:24,034 Vlad the impaler's curse, I start to wonder. 485 00:33:29,608 --> 00:33:32,509 People say this is in our blood. 486 00:33:32,544 --> 00:33:34,456 That could be an epigenetic alteration of 487 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,413 The stress genes. 488 00:33:38,117 --> 00:33:41,885 Could some romanians have inherited a unique gift? 489 00:33:42,755 --> 00:33:46,323 The ability to process stress and fear better than the rest of us. 490 00:33:52,664 --> 00:33:55,832 So, we're here at the danube where there was a 491 00:33:55,868 --> 00:34:02,706 Catastrophic ferry accident in '89 and we've got a survivor of 492 00:34:02,741 --> 00:34:07,411 That accident, teodor, and I'm fascinated to talk to him 493 00:34:07,446 --> 00:34:11,882 Because foreign tourists died. 494 00:34:13,585 --> 00:34:17,854 There were 31 survivors and they were all romanian. 495 00:34:17,923 --> 00:34:22,159 Only the romanians survived, should be interesting. 496 00:34:55,027 --> 00:34:56,171 You could see the boat coming and you knew 497 00:34:56,195 --> 00:34:58,528 What was gonna happen. 498 00:34:59,698 --> 00:35:01,876 What went through your mind, what were you thinking about 499 00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:03,333 During those moments? 500 00:35:20,052 --> 00:35:21,518 Under the hull. 501 00:35:25,157 --> 00:35:25,989 Tell me about your mind, 502 00:35:26,024 --> 00:35:27,864 What was going through your mind? 503 00:35:30,863 --> 00:35:32,762 Were you, were you very scared? 504 00:35:40,706 --> 00:35:41,972 Crazy man, wow. 505 00:35:47,446 --> 00:35:49,057 Did you know anybody that didn't make it? 506 00:35:49,081 --> 00:35:50,280 Did you know them? 507 00:35:57,055 --> 00:35:57,854 Wow. 508 00:35:57,890 --> 00:36:00,223 And they didn't make it? 509 00:36:09,868 --> 00:36:12,502 Teodor felt no fear, he just did what he had to do 510 00:36:12,538 --> 00:36:15,272 To keep himself alive. 511 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,841 But is this just a bad ass anecdote of a romanian with 512 00:36:17,876 --> 00:36:20,844 Ice cold blood in his veins? 513 00:36:20,879 --> 00:36:26,449 Could his incredible survival instincts be the results of epigenetics? 514 00:36:27,152 --> 00:36:30,720 Now, one anecdote doesn't make a pattern, 515 00:36:30,756 --> 00:36:33,924 But if you keep looking, maybe you surprise yourself. 516 00:36:36,628 --> 00:36:37,761 Are we there? 517 00:36:37,796 --> 00:36:40,597 Yeah, it should be here, actually. 518 00:36:40,832 --> 00:36:41,910 Are you ready? Let's go find it. 519 00:36:41,934 --> 00:36:44,434 Yeah, sure. Okay. 520 00:36:49,508 --> 00:36:51,575 Don't get hit. 521 00:36:53,445 --> 00:36:55,123 We got the address for a woman named, 522 00:36:55,147 --> 00:36:57,247 Aurelia grigore. 523 00:36:57,282 --> 00:37:00,984 She lives in an old communist housing block. 524 00:37:01,019 --> 00:37:05,689 Ceausescu's reign of terror wasn't the only thing she survived. 525 00:37:05,991 --> 00:37:08,825 She's a flight attendant and she apparently shares teodor's 526 00:37:08,860 --> 00:37:11,628 Knack for survival against all odds. 527 00:37:13,398 --> 00:37:14,831 There you go. 528 00:37:14,866 --> 00:37:16,700 Pretty sure that's a good omen. 529 00:37:21,206 --> 00:37:22,817 Yeah, it should be this way. 530 00:37:22,841 --> 00:37:24,507 Alright. 531 00:37:27,045 --> 00:37:28,945 It's here. 532 00:37:34,286 --> 00:37:35,719 Aurelia, hi, sam. 533 00:37:35,754 --> 00:37:36,987 Hi. 534 00:37:37,022 --> 00:37:39,522 We've heard about you and we wanted to maybe just hear 535 00:37:39,558 --> 00:37:41,858 Some stories about the things you've been through. 536 00:37:41,893 --> 00:37:43,627 Is it okay? 537 00:37:43,662 --> 00:37:45,595 We can come in? 538 00:37:46,965 --> 00:37:49,177 I finally track down this woman who has one of the most 539 00:37:49,201 --> 00:37:55,372 Amazing stories I've ever heard and it's gonna blow your mind. 540 00:37:55,407 --> 00:37:56,473 Seriously. 541 00:38:12,124 --> 00:38:16,259 In romania, people feel tragedy is in their blood and, 542 00:38:16,295 --> 00:38:19,896 Throughout their history, they've nearly drowned in it. 543 00:38:20,065 --> 00:38:22,599 Ever since the reign of vlad tepes when he was boiling 544 00:38:22,634 --> 00:38:27,637 People alive and building forests out of men impaled on wooden spikes, 545 00:38:27,673 --> 00:38:30,974 Romania just can't seem to catch a break. 546 00:38:34,279 --> 00:38:37,113 But could this have caused an inadvertent strength, 547 00:38:37,149 --> 00:38:42,185 A unique ability to handle tragedy and trauma and survive disaster? 548 00:38:43,221 --> 00:38:44,821 I hope it's okay? 549 00:38:44,856 --> 00:38:46,823 That's great. 550 00:38:50,595 --> 00:38:55,265 I was flying from bucharest to nouadhibou. 551 00:38:55,300 --> 00:39:00,070 It was a long flight, and I was pregnant with my boy. 552 00:39:00,105 --> 00:39:01,304 Ah. 553 00:39:01,340 --> 00:39:04,574 After a lot of hours, I don't remember how many hours, 554 00:39:04,609 --> 00:39:08,978 I looked out the window, I saw no light, nothing. 555 00:39:09,014 --> 00:39:11,648 - Just darkness. - Only, only the waves. 556 00:39:14,619 --> 00:39:17,854 And I thought, it's water, we are in water. 557 00:39:17,889 --> 00:39:18,922 You crash. 558 00:39:18,957 --> 00:39:20,390 Yes. 559 00:39:20,425 --> 00:39:22,692 I saw the plane was broken. 560 00:39:22,728 --> 00:39:24,861 Broken, oh my god. 561 00:39:24,896 --> 00:39:29,265 I thought, I have to choose the easiest of these death. 562 00:39:29,301 --> 00:39:32,569 The first one, because of the sharks, 563 00:39:32,604 --> 00:39:33,937 All the sharks. 564 00:39:33,972 --> 00:39:35,805 No. Yes, yes. 565 00:39:35,841 --> 00:39:36,851 There were sharks everywhere? 566 00:39:36,875 --> 00:39:38,241 Yes, yes... 567 00:39:39,244 --> 00:39:41,678 The other one, together with the plane, 568 00:39:41,713 --> 00:39:45,415 The engine is going, the maybe exploding, yes. 569 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:50,220 I chose to stay with the plane. 570 00:39:52,023 --> 00:39:54,858 - Were you very scared? - No. 571 00:39:54,893 --> 00:39:56,504 Not even a little bit scared? 572 00:39:56,528 --> 00:39:58,428 No, no. Why not? 573 00:39:58,463 --> 00:40:00,597 I don't know. 574 00:40:01,767 --> 00:40:03,478 Much like teodor on the ferry, 575 00:40:03,502 --> 00:40:07,070 Aurelia describes having an almost eerie calm, 576 00:40:07,105 --> 00:40:11,307 When most people would panic themselves into making a bad decision. 577 00:40:11,576 --> 00:40:14,844 But if you're a flight attendant in a cursed land, 578 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,480 Plane crashes can come in bunches. 579 00:40:18,049 --> 00:40:21,084 The second one in 1986, 580 00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:24,387 At the landing, it was too steep. 581 00:40:24,423 --> 00:40:25,255 Too steep, you were smashing down. 582 00:40:25,290 --> 00:40:27,891 Yes, and then, yes, yes. 583 00:40:27,926 --> 00:40:31,027 Did you think, "I can't believe it's happening again?" 584 00:40:31,062 --> 00:40:34,931 I thought I was a black cat. 585 00:40:34,966 --> 00:40:39,702 If I am onboard, something is going to be wrong, 586 00:40:39,738 --> 00:40:43,907 This was very difficult for me because my colleagues died. 587 00:40:43,942 --> 00:40:45,708 And I'm okay. 588 00:40:45,744 --> 00:40:47,310 What happened? 589 00:40:47,345 --> 00:40:51,448 What I think is so interesting is you were never afraid. 590 00:40:51,483 --> 00:40:53,450 You have to survive, you know? 591 00:40:53,485 --> 00:40:55,585 And you have no time to ride that, 592 00:40:55,620 --> 00:40:58,354 No, no, you had no time. 593 00:40:58,390 --> 00:41:00,990 It's crazy. 594 00:41:03,562 --> 00:41:06,362 When you go into a stressful situation, 595 00:41:06,398 --> 00:41:08,298 Your body floods with chemicals, 596 00:41:08,333 --> 00:41:10,967 The amygdala is this little almond shaped organ and 597 00:41:11,002 --> 00:41:13,102 Releases these stress hormones. 598 00:41:13,138 --> 00:41:15,249 It's fight or flight, it's adrenaline dumps, 599 00:41:15,273 --> 00:41:18,641 We've all heard about it and, you know, 600 00:41:18,677 --> 00:41:21,277 Some people don't handle it well at all. 601 00:41:21,313 --> 00:41:26,316 I had a friend, he got mugged, and he was trying to dial 911 602 00:41:26,351 --> 00:41:30,687 And he dialed 411, over and over and over again, 603 00:41:30,722 --> 00:41:36,459 But we've seen that there's a romanian strength, 604 00:41:36,495 --> 00:41:41,531 There's a romanian ability to metabolize stress hormones and 605 00:41:41,566 --> 00:41:43,500 Maybe there's more to it. 606 00:41:43,535 --> 00:41:46,302 Maybe it has a genetic component. 607 00:41:52,210 --> 00:41:54,511 It's sort of mind blowing to think the trauma we 608 00:41:54,546 --> 00:41:57,313 Experience in our lives today could have genetic 609 00:41:57,349 --> 00:42:01,017 Implications on our grandchildren's grandchildren, 610 00:42:01,052 --> 00:42:03,019 But new science says that it's possible, 611 00:42:03,054 --> 00:42:05,922 That epigenetics allows future generations to develop 612 00:42:05,957 --> 00:42:10,593 Coping mechanisms for trauma they've never even been through. 613 00:42:10,996 --> 00:42:14,230 Some romanians have been both 614 00:42:14,266 --> 00:42:18,501 Cursed and given a gift from the past and they row against 615 00:42:18,537 --> 00:42:21,538 The tide of history into the future. 616 00:42:25,443 --> 00:42:27,355 So cortisol is a hormone and it's, 617 00:42:27,379 --> 00:42:30,280 It's released essentially, by your adrenal glands. 618 00:42:30,315 --> 00:42:31,548 Right. 619 00:42:31,583 --> 00:42:35,018 Once that cortisol is elevated that's what we try to 620 00:42:35,053 --> 00:42:36,797 Measure in looking at the stress response. 621 00:42:36,821 --> 00:42:38,321 Right. 622 00:42:38,356 --> 00:42:43,426 And it's all about coping and some people cope really well. 623 00:42:43,461 --> 00:42:45,728 They're able to keep going. 624 00:42:45,764 --> 00:42:47,975 So they've just gotten better at coping with the cortisol, 625 00:42:47,999 --> 00:42:48,999 With the stress. 626 00:42:49,034 --> 00:42:50,845 Absolutely, they've gotten better at it. 627 00:42:50,869 --> 00:42:54,304 So that would kind of go to my pet theory that the romanians, 628 00:42:54,339 --> 00:42:56,539 Who've had this history of living under 629 00:42:56,575 --> 00:42:59,642 Incredible stress with all these terrible dictatorships. 630 00:42:59,678 --> 00:43:00,710 Mhm. 631 00:43:00,745 --> 00:43:04,847 Would have coping mechanisms, possibly. 632 00:43:04,883 --> 00:43:07,650 Possibly, with the human brain, 633 00:43:07,686 --> 00:43:13,856 We have this remarkable ability to be able to adjust and adapt to situations, 634 00:43:13,892 --> 00:43:17,493 So if you think of it in that context, 635 00:43:17,529 --> 00:43:20,630 I think you're really onto something. 636 00:43:24,002 --> 00:43:26,047 A medieval prince's desperate attempts to keep 637 00:43:26,071 --> 00:43:30,239 Control of his kingdom led him to commit such atrocities that 638 00:43:30,275 --> 00:43:36,145 His reputation and name have inflamed imaginations for 600 years. 639 00:43:36,247 --> 00:43:38,715 A cursed country, a myth of dracula, 640 00:43:38,750 --> 00:43:42,452 Plagues and fires and tyranny and a centuries-long chain 641 00:43:42,487 --> 00:43:44,954 Of human misery. 642 00:43:46,257 --> 00:43:49,392 Romania is cursed, not by a vampire, 643 00:43:49,427 --> 00:43:54,430 But by geography and history, by a fearsome ruler but 644 00:43:54,466 --> 00:43:58,935 Romanians survive and flourish in the face of catastrophe and 645 00:43:58,970 --> 00:44:01,371 Emerging science shows how coping with trauma can be 646 00:44:01,406 --> 00:44:04,307 Passed down in the form of epigenetics. 647 00:44:04,342 --> 00:44:06,542 Could there be a connection? 648 00:44:06,578 --> 00:44:09,846 I can't say for sure. 649 00:44:10,248 --> 00:44:12,649 From where I'm sitting, vlad the impaler did curse 650 00:44:12,684 --> 00:44:18,187 Romania and the proof is written in blood. 651 00:44:20,959 --> 00:44:22,999 >>>>oakislandtk<<<<< www.opensubtitles.org 651 00:44:23,305 --> 00:45:23,240 Support us and become VIP member to remove all ads from www.OpenSubtitles.org 51393

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