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We're not supposed to be here.
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You ever have those moments when
you step back and you wonder,
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Who convinced you that this
was going to be a good time?
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Well, in this case, it was me.
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I convinced myself that we
should go to romania and
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Look at the curse of
vlad the impaler.
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I thought it could be hilarious,
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You know, booze it
up in bucharest,
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You know, hit the clubs,
have a few laughs,
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Hear a scary story, but then.
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You end up freezing in an
ancient transylvanian forest
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And no, I didn't get a
groupon for a romania
folk dance experience.
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These are real witches,
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Wielding black magic in the
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Same place vlad the impaler,
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Supposedly, had his
head chopped off.
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That's cool, it's all good.
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I'm sure everything
will be just fine.
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As a writer and explorer,
as a citizen of the world,
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I've seen things that defy
understanding and sometimes,
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When there's no
good explanation,
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We blame the supernatural,
but the truth is,
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I believe in science.
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Taking off.
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So, what happens if
you bring the full light of
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Modern science
onto ancient curses?
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You wind up at a seance in the
woods with romanian witches
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And follow a vampire hunter
to his place of business.
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That's what happens.
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They said, "please, help us."
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So he's not afraid of.
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No, he's not.
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Good luck.
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Transylvania, the
name conjures it all,
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Dense pine,
impassable craggy cliffs,
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Thick ground fog.
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This is the mythic forest
of your childhood nightmare.
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Bran castle, billed as
the last standing relic of
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A man some call, dracula.
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The story goes that romania's
bottomless well of tyranny,
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Catastrophe and
overall human misery,
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Can all be traced back to
one terrifying ruler and
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His supernatural evil.
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Ah. Okay.
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So, have you ever heard of
the curse of vlad tepes?
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Yeah.
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He lost his wife,
he lost his dynasty,
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He lost his family and he
signed a document in order to
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Bring a curse down
against his enemy,
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And he promised
that he will return,
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That was his curse and I will
take revenge against those
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That they betrayed me.
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He was killed and his
body was buried in the
monastery nearby bucharest.
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Later on, when they
opened the coffin,
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They never found his body,
which is quite creepy.
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Yeah, right.
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You do start to wonder
what if he's coming back again?
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So you'd be worried
if you were his enemy?
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You might be a little nervous.
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- Oh yeah, yeah.
- Yeah, yeah.
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Vlad spent much of his life
constructing a fearsome persona.
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In some ways, his reputation
was so extreme that it haunts
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The entire world.
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Gross.
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Oh my god, three days?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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What are some of the
other ways he would do it?
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Wow.
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He sounds like
a really nice guy.
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Yeah, fascists always say that.
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Once he took power in 1448,
vlad began a lifelong battle
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To protect his
country from invaders,
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From all sides;
hungarians, rival nobles but,
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Most of all, the ever expanding,
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Ruthless ottoman empire,
vlad's mortal enemy.
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The other kings and rulers of
his time had surrendered and
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They all paid tribute,
but vlad fought on,
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With a sheer hatred
that defies description.
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Perhaps because the ottoman's
had kidnapped as a child and,
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By the time his father
and brother were killed,
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His hatred had grown so
virulent that we still make
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Tv shows about him,
600 years later.
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Vlad, himself,
he was right here.
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Yeah, right here.
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Amazing.
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Wow.
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You know, 600 years ago, there
was a real person in here.
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Vlad the impaler,
looked out his little window,
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Thought about revenge.
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Now this little beauty here
can be yours for $7.
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No one ever lets a curse
stand in the way of profit.
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There you go.
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But the truth is, we're all
here because vlad's fearsome
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Reputation so
inflamed imaginations,
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Including an irish writer named,
bram stoker.
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Bram never even visited romania,
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But he used vlad's name and
legend as the basis for one of
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The most potent horror
symbols of all time.
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There's no escaping the
vampire in pop culture,
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But the question I
have is pretty simple,
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Is the curse of vlad real?
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Tell me about this
letter from vlad tepes.
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Kind of a cool
way of punctuating
requests, you know,
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"hey man, give me a
beer, or I'm gonna lay
your kingdom to waste and
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Your kids are gonna
rot in hell for eternity."
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There you go.
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Do you think vlad's
curse has affected bucharest?
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Caradja's plague,
that was the prince who came
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After vlad tepes, was killed.
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Yes.
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Bucharest is already
on edge after the mythic
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Vlad the impaler has
cursed them for all eternity.
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And then, after years
of devastating fires,
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Earthquakes, wars, a ruler
appointed by his sworn enemy,
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The ottoman empire,
assumes power.
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And, guess what happens next?
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The palace and the center of
bucharest burns to the ground.
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That could be a coincidence, or,
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More likely a parting gift from
the outgoing administration.
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But then people
start getting sick.
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450 years after the black death,
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Bucharest plunges into an
outbreak that must have felt
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Like the zombie apocalypse.
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What did they think
caused the plague?
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God was punishing them,
kind of like a curse.
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During the plague,
where did they put the bodies?
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Can we visit
those mass graves now?
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Can you go see where
those bodies are buried?
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Is there a memorial or
anything to look at?
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It's totally normal.
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There's absolutely nothing
strange or symbolic about
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Building your parliament
on top of a mass grave,
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But seriously,
we should go down there, right?
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You know, just wanted
to see for myself these tunnels
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That were stuffed with bodies
during the plague outbreak.
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Yeah, we're not
supposed to be here.
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Vlad the impaler put a
written curse on his land.
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Years after his death, when
an ottoman appointed prince
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Showed up to claim the throne,
all hell broke loose,
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And it must have
felt like the ultimate
confirmation of the curse.
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With coronavirus, people
around the world have gotten a
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Glimpse of what a scary
outbreak can be like,
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But statistically,
the majority of patients who
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Contract the
coronavirus survive.
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Caradja's plague
was totally different,
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The death rate
was more than 50%.
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It's got to have felt
like the world is ending.
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The psychic wound, you know,
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On a city, on a people,
on a nation.
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It's something that you would
never get over and you would
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Pass that fear
along to your children.
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It's almost like the sheer
terror of living through that
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Particular plague left a
scar that's been passed down.
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Many modern romanians
see this outbreak as
proof of vlad's curse,
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But I wonder, can
we find a point where
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Myth and science intersect?
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Was there something
truly anomalous
about caradja's plague?
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This is the
mathematical model.
Okay.
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That's widely
used in disease ecology.
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So, we took historical
data from the black death,
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The bubonic plague.
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Sure.
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- Would you like to see?
- Yeah, please, by all means.
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These are spatial
representations of people
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Dying all across the city.
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Wow.
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And then, it,
it burns itself out,
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As epidemics do,
and it starts to plateau.
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Okay.
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So, my husband and
I have been working on your
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Mathematical model
of caradja's plague,
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This was a really
terrifying plague.
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Wow.
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Much more aggressive epidemic,
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Once it happens it just,
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You know, wipes through
the city super quickly.
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Wow.
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But something
else is going wrong too.
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Okay.
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Some people
have looked at these
epidemic curves and said,
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"okay, well there must be, what
we call, pneumonic plagues."
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And that's when the
disease is deep in your lungs,
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Can spread it directly,
person to person.
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Wow.
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Then quarantine is established,
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So, you're walking around
the city where they had
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Piles of human bodies.
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There's stories about
them raping, stealing,
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Even killing plague victims;
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Complete societal breakdown.
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So all these things may
have combined to make this
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Into just a complete
hellish nightmare.
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It's a hellish, sort of,
end of days...
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Scenario. Scenario.
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- Right.
- It killed half the city,
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Maybe more, but there
hadn't been a plague epidemic
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Anywhere else.
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As an ecologist you say,
"how could that be?"
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"what was it?"
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Wow. Yeah.
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It's hard to imagine
what a family losing nearly
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50% of its members
would feel like.
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Imagine your own
family and pick half,
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The scare that would
leave on a generation.
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That's something you
would never get over.
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Caradja's plague could've
given the curse a literal
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Grounding and an
emphasis that burned in
into the minds of bucharest,
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But that was
hundreds of years ago.
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Are there any
lingering effects today?
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In the deep dark woods
outside of bucharest,
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There's a place called,
the witches pond.
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A place where the legacy of
the curse shows surprising life.
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The business of witchcraft
in romania is booming and
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Mihaela minka is
the reigning queen.
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She's a witch and
there are thousands
of others just like her.
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How did I find her?
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Well, I tied a note to a
raven's foot with an eye of newt
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And the tongue of a bat.
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No I'm kidding, I hit
her up on
instagram,
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I slid into her dm's.
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I might add that to contacts.
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Why is this a special place?
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- He was killed?
- Yeah.
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- They cut his head off.
- Yeah.
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If I wanted to curse someone,
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Or to do black magic,
could I pay,
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And you could do a
bad spell to them?
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Yes, her
grandmother killed much
people with black magic.
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- Oh yeah?
- Yeah, because.
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I understand, yeah.
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Mihaela and the other
black magic practitioners
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Offer their services online.
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$100 and an internet connection
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And you can dole out a curse.
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Just as easily, you
could be the subject of one.
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But the romanians spend
millions of dollars a year on
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Health charms and
hexes and love potions.
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It got to the point where the
romanian government attempted
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To tax the black
market of black magic.
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They're not the type
of people you want to upset.
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Now a group of angry
witches in romania is taking
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On the government with
a unique tax protest.
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The witches
responded with curses,
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They threw poisonous
mandrake into the danube,
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I'm not gonna say it's
proof about who believes what,
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But we did see a marked change
in the behavior of the highest
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Levels of the
romanian government.
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They not only backed down,
but also wore purple clothing,
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As purple is the color
that protects from curses.
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In this case, black magic
proved pretty effective.
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So that was, that
was pretty intense.
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I'll say this, if, if
mihaela cursed you,
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I think you'd wonder.
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Her conviction
was so compelling.
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I think you'd think about
it in your dark moments.
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Just in case.
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A curse works when people
believe it works and the
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Prevalence of witchcraft
means that a lot of folks are,
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At least, open to the idea.
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But, how deep does it go?
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How dark can it get?
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Is there a big difference
between the western attitudes
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About witchcraft or
the supernatural,
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And the attitudes of
multi-generational romanians?
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Ovijo
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Yeah hi.
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Hi, how are you, sam.
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Ovijo, nice to meet you.
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- Yeah, ovijo nice to meet you.
- Yeah, thanks.
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A local journalist has offered
to help me get access to a
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Small village
called marotinu de sus,
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Where there is a man
who fights the ghosts
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Of romanian superstition.
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But this is something no one
in town wants exposed because
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There was an avalanche
of blow back before.
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So, our source is
understandably wary.
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We found out about this guy,
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Mircea mitrica, is his name.
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He doesn't want
us to go at his house.
Right.
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He doesn't wanna
be seen by the neighbors.
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We're gonna go with
him at his goat fold,
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You know, where he
keeps the goats.
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Sounds great.
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I love a good goat fold.
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And, uh, he's
gonna talk to us there.
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Well, we'll be very low profile.
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You gotta be
careful how, how you approach,
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It's a total different
situation in the countryside.
291
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Is he okay doing camera work?
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He's okay to be filmed?
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So it seems.
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So, we've gotta be a little
careful about how we do this.
295
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This guy's gonna
be real squirrelies
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And I don't wanna spook him,
so keep the cameras down and,
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And just, you know, low profile,
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Incognito, you know, real slick.
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That's what
I want you to do.
Got it, yeah, yeah.
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Is that him? Yeah.
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Okay.
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Sam.
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You come with us?
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Yeah. Okay.
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,
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Sam.
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You come with us?
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Believing in giving money
to witches is one thing,
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Even in the us we give two
billion dollars a year to
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Psychics and everyone
reads their horoscope,
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Mostly because
the stakes are low.
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You still have to go to work
when saturn is an ascendance,
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Or the moon is in retrograde,
right?
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00:21:40,433 --> 00:21:42,833
But it feels like there's
something darker and more
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Profound at work here,
in romania.
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Vlad the impaler's curse
drove its hooks into the
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National psyche
six centuries ago.
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How dark does it get?
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What is a moroi?
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Depends on which
village you live in.
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To some, it's a simple ghost.
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In other places, it's much
more like the familiar vampire,
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Feeding on the
blood of the living.
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In mircea's village, the moroi
is still a member of the genus
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And species undead
supernaturalist,
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But here, the moroi is an
invisible phantom who leaves
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The grave and infests the
body of a living relative.
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00:22:44,931 --> 00:22:47,465
How did you know it was a moroi?
329
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Yeah, they told him,
it's because of the moroi.
330
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They said, please
help us, you know.
331
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Right.
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Does that kill the moroi?
333
00:23:44,657 --> 00:23:46,824
Wow, so just
two days and she's cured.
334
00:23:55,334 --> 00:23:58,135
How did you
first learn about moroi?
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When I was five, I
slept with a night light.
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00:24:18,157 --> 00:24:19,268
'cause he's not afraid of.
337
00:24:19,292 --> 00:24:21,659
- No, he's not.
- Yeah, I can tell.
338
00:24:25,031 --> 00:24:29,400
What's amazing is the elders
were doing this and mircea
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As five-year-old and was
brave enough to go witness and
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Be part of it.
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00:24:37,143 --> 00:24:41,645
Just hard to imagine my kid
going into graves and exhume
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00:24:41,681 --> 00:24:47,251
The body and get the heart,
but if you grew up out here,
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00:24:47,286 --> 00:24:51,355
You'd have a much different
understanding of death.
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00:24:54,994 --> 00:24:57,461
There's no question that
romania is still steeped in
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Mysticism and myth.
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Add the curse of a vengeful
vlad to the mix and you've got
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00:25:04,036 --> 00:25:07,204
Yourself an all you can eat
buffet of supernatural belief
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00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,306
Sweeping the countryside.
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00:25:10,910 --> 00:25:14,211
But what about here,
in bucharest?
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On the surface, a
modern-day metropolis,
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00:25:17,016 --> 00:25:21,318
Bright lights, cafes, people's
noses buried in virtual
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00:25:21,354 --> 00:25:23,988
Realities on a five-inch screen.
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00:25:27,460 --> 00:25:29,226
Thank you.
354
00:25:42,041 --> 00:25:45,643
This isn't the hang out
spot for vampire hunters,
355
00:25:45,678 --> 00:25:49,513
There's no witches' cauldrons
boiling in the kitchen.
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00:25:50,716 --> 00:25:54,818
This is an entire generation
of post-communist romanians.
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00:25:55,221 --> 00:25:58,222
They grew up with search
engines in their pockets.
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Do they believe they're
destined for darkness?
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00:26:05,598 --> 00:26:06,864
I go what is this?
360
00:26:09,969 --> 00:26:10,834
Adrian?
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00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:14,204
- Hi.
- How you doing, man?
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00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:15,751
I'm good, here with my friends.
363
00:26:15,775 --> 00:26:17,908
Hi, I'm maria, nice to meet you.
364
00:26:17,944 --> 00:26:19,888
- Hello, andrew.
- Andrew, nice to meet you.
365
00:26:19,912 --> 00:26:21,690
We're having the beer,
would you like one?
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00:26:21,714 --> 00:26:22,791
Yeah, I'll have a beer,
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00:26:22,815 --> 00:26:23,614
Sure, thank you.
368
00:26:23,683 --> 00:26:25,249
There you go.
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00:26:26,919 --> 00:26:29,064
Adrian and his friends
were born after the fall of
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Ceausescu's totalitarian regime.
371
00:26:32,058 --> 00:26:34,036
It was one of the most
oppressive in the entire
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00:26:34,060 --> 00:26:37,795
Soviet union, so what do the
kids these days think about a
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00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:40,831
600 year old legend?
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00:26:41,067 --> 00:26:42,967
Is romania cursed?
375
00:26:43,002 --> 00:26:44,646
Well, if you look at the,
376
00:26:44,670 --> 00:26:47,671
Like, last 500 years...
377
00:26:47,707 --> 00:26:49,239
Yeah.
378
00:26:49,275 --> 00:26:54,878
The wars,
the plagues, fires that
destroyed cities, the floods.
379
00:26:55,314 --> 00:26:58,215
Yeah, it's, it was
something there and it's,
380
00:26:58,250 --> 00:26:59,917
Sort of, still affecting.
381
00:26:59,952 --> 00:27:01,151
You believe it?
382
00:27:01,187 --> 00:27:05,456
If you asked me,
yeah, we're cursed.
383
00:27:05,491 --> 00:27:09,593
People say this is in our blood.
384
00:27:09,962 --> 00:27:12,262
You don't hear that every day.
385
00:27:12,298 --> 00:27:15,332
Unless, you live in romania.
386
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,407
So could the blood of
modern-day romanians hold
387
00:27:23,442 --> 00:27:25,809
Evidence of a curse?
388
00:27:25,845 --> 00:27:30,381
Could there be some
sort of profound truth
in a toothless cliché?
389
00:27:30,416 --> 00:27:33,651
Could centuries of upheaval
and trauma leave effects we
390
00:27:33,686 --> 00:27:36,720
Could measure in the blood?
391
00:27:38,891 --> 00:27:41,558
Remember 25 minutes ago when
I told you I was going to map
392
00:27:41,594 --> 00:27:45,295
The intersection of
science and myth?
393
00:27:45,331 --> 00:27:48,165
Yeah, well, here
comes the science part.
394
00:27:57,877 --> 00:28:00,377
The name, the reputation,
395
00:28:00,413 --> 00:28:02,479
So fearsome we
still talk about it,
396
00:28:02,515 --> 00:28:05,182
600 years later.
397
00:28:05,217 --> 00:28:08,585
He was the ultimate medieval
fearmonger and he fought to
398
00:28:08,621 --> 00:28:10,165
Protect his country
from enemies,
399
00:28:10,189 --> 00:28:13,190
Domestic and foreign, by
skewering tens of thousands
400
00:28:13,225 --> 00:28:15,859
Of humans at a time.
401
00:28:15,895 --> 00:28:18,796
Before his death, he
issued a written curse and,
402
00:28:18,831 --> 00:28:22,533
In the six centuries since,
one horrible tragedy after the
403
00:28:22,568 --> 00:28:26,770
Next has been blamed on
vlad's infamous letter.
404
00:28:28,207 --> 00:28:33,010
So I wonder, could a curse,
somehow manifest in the people?
405
00:28:33,045 --> 00:28:36,346
What I mean is, could it
be hiding in their dna?
406
00:28:38,317 --> 00:28:40,484
This idea that
you're talking about is a
407
00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:44,321
Psychological theory referred
to as trans-generational trauma.
408
00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:45,289
Trans-generational trauma,
409
00:28:45,324 --> 00:28:46,435
Right. Trauma.
410
00:28:46,459 --> 00:28:49,793
And it's basically the
idea that the generation that
411
00:28:49,829 --> 00:28:54,798
Experiences the trauma can pass
it onto future generations.
412
00:28:54,834 --> 00:28:56,967
There would be some
kind of long-term effect.
413
00:28:57,002 --> 00:29:00,237
Right, so, so just massive
trauma can change your genes?
414
00:29:00,272 --> 00:29:05,476
Right, and the effects
can be multi-generational.
415
00:29:06,011 --> 00:29:08,746
Trans-generational trauma
has been documented in
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00:29:08,781 --> 00:29:10,781
Children of holocaust survivors,
417
00:29:10,816 --> 00:29:14,251
Or, the descendants of slaves
and in the native americans,
418
00:29:14,286 --> 00:29:15,786
Survivors of famine.
419
00:29:15,821 --> 00:29:18,088
Their offspring,
many years later,
420
00:29:18,124 --> 00:29:20,724
Were shown to have
increased obesity,
421
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,261
Schizophrenia, diabetes,
showing that there was a
422
00:29:24,296 --> 00:29:26,697
Trans-generational trauma,
altered by epigenetics.
423
00:29:26,732 --> 00:29:28,966
Right, wow.
424
00:29:30,402 --> 00:29:32,414
Epigenetics is basically,
425
00:29:32,438 --> 00:29:34,905
The study of how genes
are turned on or off.
426
00:29:34,940 --> 00:29:38,108
It involves chemical
modifications to dna and the
427
00:29:38,144 --> 00:29:41,912
Proteins associated with
dna and it responds to both
428
00:29:41,947 --> 00:29:44,948
Internal stimuli
and external stimuli.
429
00:29:44,984 --> 00:29:46,962
So you're saying, like,
environmental factors can
430
00:29:46,986 --> 00:29:48,051
Change your dna?
431
00:29:48,087 --> 00:29:50,554
Yeah, but there
has to be some pretty,
432
00:29:50,589 --> 00:29:54,958
You know, long lasting trauma
that would have enough time
433
00:29:54,994 --> 00:29:58,595
For the body to
reprogram itself.
434
00:29:58,631 --> 00:30:00,871
So, for decades, we
thought we were stuck with the
435
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:04,635
Genes we were born with and
now you're telling me that
436
00:30:04,670 --> 00:30:07,871
Genes can change due to stress?
437
00:30:08,174 --> 00:30:10,707
Sounds like we're gonna
have to change some textbooks.
438
00:30:10,743 --> 00:30:14,812
So, I was in romania
and I started to wonder if
439
00:30:14,847 --> 00:30:18,715
An area had a history of,
like, terrible trauma,
440
00:30:18,751 --> 00:30:20,595
It went back into
the middle ages,
441
00:30:20,619 --> 00:30:22,853
Just horrible thing
after horrible thing,
442
00:30:22,888 --> 00:30:25,155
Living in constant fear.
443
00:30:25,191 --> 00:30:30,160
Could there be something you'd
see in the present-day people.
444
00:30:30,196 --> 00:30:32,296
Yes, and it
couldn't be positive, right?
445
00:30:32,331 --> 00:30:34,676
So far, we're only
talking about negative...
Right.
446
00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:38,035
Predisposition
but maybe you have a
good predisposition.
447
00:30:39,538 --> 00:30:42,506
So this theory of mine,
this idea that a country
448
00:30:42,541 --> 00:30:45,509
That's had hundreds
of years of trauma,
449
00:30:45,544 --> 00:30:48,378
The people who live
there would be more
450
00:30:48,414 --> 00:30:52,149
Resilient to trauma,
is feasible?
451
00:30:52,184 --> 00:30:56,286
Right and that
could be an epigenetic
alteration of stress genes.
452
00:30:56,322 --> 00:30:59,256
There's no question what doesn't
kill you makes you stronger.
453
00:30:59,291 --> 00:31:02,125
That's how I live my life.
454
00:31:04,964 --> 00:31:08,532
For an epigenetic alteration
to occur in their stress genes,
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00:31:08,567 --> 00:31:10,378
Romanians would
have to be subject to
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00:31:10,402 --> 00:31:12,836
Continuous trauma
throughout their history,
457
00:31:12,872 --> 00:31:14,638
But have they?
458
00:31:14,673 --> 00:31:17,975
Look at the map, romania is
consistently caught in the
459
00:31:18,010 --> 00:31:23,080
Vice between rival powers,
between europe and the mongols,
460
00:31:23,115 --> 00:31:25,682
Between the ottoman turks
and the christian nation,
461
00:31:25,718 --> 00:31:28,452
All the way up to nazi germany
and the soviet union
462
00:31:28,487 --> 00:31:31,255
And the fall of
the iron curtain.
463
00:31:31,290 --> 00:31:33,924
So, is there any evidence that
romania's past has led to some
464
00:31:33,959 --> 00:31:37,561
Kind of resilience,
or survival advantage.
465
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:40,130
What do the locals think?
466
00:31:42,167 --> 00:31:44,768
I was 13 when we had
the so-called revolution.
467
00:31:44,803 --> 00:31:48,472
It was not easy to get food,
we had to manage, but...
468
00:31:48,507 --> 00:31:50,140
It's in your blood.
469
00:31:50,175 --> 00:31:52,142
Exactly.
470
00:32:07,626 --> 00:32:10,127
It's just one
disaster after the next.
471
00:32:10,162 --> 00:32:12,963
But I think it
makes us stronger.
472
00:32:15,868 --> 00:32:19,269
A ferry disaster in 1989
is just one of the horrible
473
00:32:19,305 --> 00:32:23,206
Events often attributed to
vlad the impaler's curse,
474
00:32:23,242 --> 00:32:26,543
But this one has something
pretty strange about it.
475
00:32:31,016 --> 00:32:34,618
We've got a survivor of that
accident and I'm fascinated to
476
00:32:34,653 --> 00:32:39,957
Talk to him because
foreign tourists died.
477
00:32:42,561 --> 00:32:46,697
There were 31 survivors
and they were all romanian.
478
00:32:46,732 --> 00:32:51,034
Only the romanians survived,
should be interesting.
479
00:33:06,352 --> 00:33:09,886
Tragedy happens every day,
all over the world.
480
00:33:09,922 --> 00:33:13,023
It hides around every corner,
reminding us that our lives
481
00:33:13,058 --> 00:33:16,560
Are more precarious
than we'd like to admit.
482
00:33:17,162 --> 00:33:18,907
But as I've looked
into the long history of
483
00:33:18,931 --> 00:33:21,198
Romanian tragedies,
sometimes attributed to
484
00:33:21,233 --> 00:33:24,034
Vlad the impaler's curse,
I start to wonder.
485
00:33:29,608 --> 00:33:32,509
People say this is in our blood.
486
00:33:32,544 --> 00:33:34,456
That could be an
epigenetic alteration of
487
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,413
The stress genes.
488
00:33:38,117 --> 00:33:41,885
Could some romanians
have inherited a unique gift?
489
00:33:42,755 --> 00:33:46,323
The ability to process
stress and fear better
than the rest of us.
490
00:33:52,664 --> 00:33:55,832
So, we're here at the
danube where there was a
491
00:33:55,868 --> 00:34:02,706
Catastrophic ferry accident in
'89 and we've got a survivor of
492
00:34:02,741 --> 00:34:07,411
That accident, teodor, and
I'm fascinated to talk to him
493
00:34:07,446 --> 00:34:11,882
Because foreign tourists died.
494
00:34:13,585 --> 00:34:17,854
There were 31 survivors
and they were all romanian.
495
00:34:17,923 --> 00:34:22,159
Only the romanians survived,
should be interesting.
496
00:34:55,027 --> 00:34:56,171
You could see the
boat coming and you knew
497
00:34:56,195 --> 00:34:58,528
What was gonna happen.
498
00:34:59,698 --> 00:35:01,876
What went through your mind,
what were you thinking about
499
00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:03,333
During those moments?
500
00:35:20,052 --> 00:35:21,518
Under the hull.
501
00:35:25,157 --> 00:35:25,989
Tell me about your mind,
502
00:35:26,024 --> 00:35:27,864
What was going
through your mind?
503
00:35:30,863 --> 00:35:32,762
Were you, were you very scared?
504
00:35:40,706 --> 00:35:41,972
Crazy man, wow.
505
00:35:47,446 --> 00:35:49,057
Did you know
anybody that didn't make it?
506
00:35:49,081 --> 00:35:50,280
Did you know them?
507
00:35:57,055 --> 00:35:57,854
Wow.
508
00:35:57,890 --> 00:36:00,223
And they didn't make it?
509
00:36:09,868 --> 00:36:12,502
Teodor felt no fear, he
just did what he had to do
510
00:36:12,538 --> 00:36:15,272
To keep himself alive.
511
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,841
But is this just a bad ass
anecdote of a romanian with
512
00:36:17,876 --> 00:36:20,844
Ice cold blood in his veins?
513
00:36:20,879 --> 00:36:26,449
Could his incredible
survival instincts be the
results of epigenetics?
514
00:36:27,152 --> 00:36:30,720
Now, one anecdote
doesn't make a pattern,
515
00:36:30,756 --> 00:36:33,924
But if you keep looking,
maybe you surprise yourself.
516
00:36:36,628 --> 00:36:37,761
Are we there?
517
00:36:37,796 --> 00:36:40,597
Yeah, it
should be here, actually.
518
00:36:40,832 --> 00:36:41,910
Are you ready? Let's go find it.
519
00:36:41,934 --> 00:36:44,434
Yeah, sure. Okay.
520
00:36:49,508 --> 00:36:51,575
Don't get hit.
521
00:36:53,445 --> 00:36:55,123
We got the address
for a woman named,
522
00:36:55,147 --> 00:36:57,247
Aurelia grigore.
523
00:36:57,282 --> 00:37:00,984
She lives in an old
communist housing block.
524
00:37:01,019 --> 00:37:05,689
Ceausescu's reign
of terror wasn't the
only thing she survived.
525
00:37:05,991 --> 00:37:08,825
She's a flight attendant and
she apparently shares teodor's
526
00:37:08,860 --> 00:37:11,628
Knack for survival
against all odds.
527
00:37:13,398 --> 00:37:14,831
There you go.
528
00:37:14,866 --> 00:37:16,700
Pretty sure that's a good omen.
529
00:37:21,206 --> 00:37:22,817
Yeah, it should be this way.
530
00:37:22,841 --> 00:37:24,507
Alright.
531
00:37:27,045 --> 00:37:28,945
It's here.
532
00:37:34,286 --> 00:37:35,719
Aurelia, hi, sam.
533
00:37:35,754 --> 00:37:36,987
Hi.
534
00:37:37,022 --> 00:37:39,522
We've heard about you and
we wanted to maybe just hear
535
00:37:39,558 --> 00:37:41,858
Some stories about the
things you've been through.
536
00:37:41,893 --> 00:37:43,627
Is it okay?
537
00:37:43,662 --> 00:37:45,595
We can come in?
538
00:37:46,965 --> 00:37:49,177
I finally track down this
woman who has one of the most
539
00:37:49,201 --> 00:37:55,372
Amazing stories I've ever heard
and it's gonna blow your mind.
540
00:37:55,407 --> 00:37:56,473
Seriously.
541
00:38:12,124 --> 00:38:16,259
In romania, people feel
tragedy is in their blood and,
542
00:38:16,295 --> 00:38:19,896
Throughout their history,
they've nearly drowned in it.
543
00:38:20,065 --> 00:38:22,599
Ever since the reign of
vlad tepes when he was boiling
544
00:38:22,634 --> 00:38:27,637
People alive and
building forests out of men
impaled on wooden spikes,
545
00:38:27,673 --> 00:38:30,974
Romania just can't
seem to catch a break.
546
00:38:34,279 --> 00:38:37,113
But could this have caused
an inadvertent strength,
547
00:38:37,149 --> 00:38:42,185
A unique ability to
handle tragedy and
trauma and survive disaster?
548
00:38:43,221 --> 00:38:44,821
I hope it's okay?
549
00:38:44,856 --> 00:38:46,823
That's great.
550
00:38:50,595 --> 00:38:55,265
I was flying from
bucharest to nouadhibou.
551
00:38:55,300 --> 00:39:00,070
It was a long flight, and I
was pregnant with my boy.
552
00:39:00,105 --> 00:39:01,304
Ah.
553
00:39:01,340 --> 00:39:04,574
After a lot of hours,
I don't remember how many hours,
554
00:39:04,609 --> 00:39:08,978
I looked out the window,
I saw no light, nothing.
555
00:39:09,014 --> 00:39:11,648
- Just darkness.
- Only, only the waves.
556
00:39:14,619 --> 00:39:17,854
And I thought, it's water,
we are in water.
557
00:39:17,889 --> 00:39:18,922
You crash.
558
00:39:18,957 --> 00:39:20,390
Yes.
559
00:39:20,425 --> 00:39:22,692
I saw the plane was broken.
560
00:39:22,728 --> 00:39:24,861
Broken, oh my god.
561
00:39:24,896 --> 00:39:29,265
I thought,
I have to choose the
easiest of these death.
562
00:39:29,301 --> 00:39:32,569
The first one,
because of the sharks,
563
00:39:32,604 --> 00:39:33,937
All the sharks.
564
00:39:33,972 --> 00:39:35,805
No. Yes, yes.
565
00:39:35,841 --> 00:39:36,851
There were sharks everywhere?
566
00:39:36,875 --> 00:39:38,241
Yes, yes...
567
00:39:39,244 --> 00:39:41,678
The other one,
together with the plane,
568
00:39:41,713 --> 00:39:45,415
The engine is going,
the maybe exploding, yes.
569
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:50,220
I chose to stay with the plane.
570
00:39:52,023 --> 00:39:54,858
- Were you very scared?
- No.
571
00:39:54,893 --> 00:39:56,504
Not even a little bit scared?
572
00:39:56,528 --> 00:39:58,428
No, no. Why not?
573
00:39:58,463 --> 00:40:00,597
I don't know.
574
00:40:01,767 --> 00:40:03,478
Much like teodor on the ferry,
575
00:40:03,502 --> 00:40:07,070
Aurelia describes
having an almost eerie calm,
576
00:40:07,105 --> 00:40:11,307
When most people
would panic themselves
into making a bad decision.
577
00:40:11,576 --> 00:40:14,844
But if you're a flight
attendant in a cursed land,
578
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,480
Plane crashes can
come in bunches.
579
00:40:18,049 --> 00:40:21,084
The second one in 1986,
580
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:24,387
At the landing,
it was too steep.
581
00:40:24,423 --> 00:40:25,255
Too steep, you
were smashing down.
582
00:40:25,290 --> 00:40:27,891
Yes, and then, yes, yes.
583
00:40:27,926 --> 00:40:31,027
Did you think, "I can't
believe it's happening again?"
584
00:40:31,062 --> 00:40:34,931
I thought I was a black cat.
585
00:40:34,966 --> 00:40:39,702
If I am onboard, something
is going to be wrong,
586
00:40:39,738 --> 00:40:43,907
This was very difficult for
me because my colleagues died.
587
00:40:43,942 --> 00:40:45,708
And I'm okay.
588
00:40:45,744 --> 00:40:47,310
What happened?
589
00:40:47,345 --> 00:40:51,448
What I think
is so interesting is
you were never afraid.
590
00:40:51,483 --> 00:40:53,450
You have to survive, you know?
591
00:40:53,485 --> 00:40:55,585
And you have no
time to ride that,
592
00:40:55,620 --> 00:40:58,354
No, no, you had no time.
593
00:40:58,390 --> 00:41:00,990
It's crazy.
594
00:41:03,562 --> 00:41:06,362
When you go into a
stressful situation,
595
00:41:06,398 --> 00:41:08,298
Your body floods with chemicals,
596
00:41:08,333 --> 00:41:10,967
The amygdala is this
little almond shaped organ and
597
00:41:11,002 --> 00:41:13,102
Releases these stress hormones.
598
00:41:13,138 --> 00:41:15,249
It's fight or flight,
it's adrenaline dumps,
599
00:41:15,273 --> 00:41:18,641
We've all heard
about it and, you know,
600
00:41:18,677 --> 00:41:21,277
Some people don't
handle it well at all.
601
00:41:21,313 --> 00:41:26,316
I had a friend, he got mugged,
and he was trying to dial 911
602
00:41:26,351 --> 00:41:30,687
And he dialed 411, over
and over and over again,
603
00:41:30,722 --> 00:41:36,459
But we've seen that
there's a romanian strength,
604
00:41:36,495 --> 00:41:41,531
There's a romanian ability to
metabolize stress hormones and
605
00:41:41,566 --> 00:41:43,500
Maybe there's more to it.
606
00:41:43,535 --> 00:41:46,302
Maybe it has a
genetic component.
607
00:41:52,210 --> 00:41:54,511
It's sort of mind blowing
to think the trauma we
608
00:41:54,546 --> 00:41:57,313
Experience in our lives
today could have genetic
609
00:41:57,349 --> 00:42:01,017
Implications on our
grandchildren's grandchildren,
610
00:42:01,052 --> 00:42:03,019
But new science
says that it's possible,
611
00:42:03,054 --> 00:42:05,922
That epigenetics allows
future generations to develop
612
00:42:05,957 --> 00:42:10,593
Coping mechanisms for trauma
they've never even been through.
613
00:42:10,996 --> 00:42:14,230
Some romanians have been both
614
00:42:14,266 --> 00:42:18,501
Cursed and given a gift from
the past and they row against
615
00:42:18,537 --> 00:42:21,538
The tide of history
into the future.
616
00:42:25,443 --> 00:42:27,355
So cortisol is
a hormone and it's,
617
00:42:27,379 --> 00:42:30,280
It's released essentially,
by your adrenal glands.
618
00:42:30,315 --> 00:42:31,548
Right.
619
00:42:31,583 --> 00:42:35,018
Once that cortisol is
elevated that's what we try to
620
00:42:35,053 --> 00:42:36,797
Measure in looking at
the stress response.
621
00:42:36,821 --> 00:42:38,321
Right.
622
00:42:38,356 --> 00:42:43,426
And it's all
about coping and some
people cope really well.
623
00:42:43,461 --> 00:42:45,728
They're able to keep going.
624
00:42:45,764 --> 00:42:47,975
So they've
just gotten better at
coping with the cortisol,
625
00:42:47,999 --> 00:42:48,999
With the stress.
626
00:42:49,034 --> 00:42:50,845
Absolutely,
they've gotten better at it.
627
00:42:50,869 --> 00:42:54,304
So that would
kind of go to my pet
theory that the romanians,
628
00:42:54,339 --> 00:42:56,539
Who've had this
history of living under
629
00:42:56,575 --> 00:42:59,642
Incredible stress with all
these terrible dictatorships.
630
00:42:59,678 --> 00:43:00,710
Mhm.
631
00:43:00,745 --> 00:43:04,847
Would have
coping mechanisms, possibly.
632
00:43:04,883 --> 00:43:07,650
Possibly, with the human brain,
633
00:43:07,686 --> 00:43:13,856
We have this remarkable
ability to be able to adjust
and adapt to situations,
634
00:43:13,892 --> 00:43:17,493
So if you think of
it in that context,
635
00:43:17,529 --> 00:43:20,630
I think you're
really onto something.
636
00:43:24,002 --> 00:43:26,047
A medieval prince's
desperate attempts to keep
637
00:43:26,071 --> 00:43:30,239
Control of his kingdom led him
to commit such atrocities that
638
00:43:30,275 --> 00:43:36,145
His reputation and
name have inflamed
imaginations for 600 years.
639
00:43:36,247 --> 00:43:38,715
A cursed country,
a myth of dracula,
640
00:43:38,750 --> 00:43:42,452
Plagues and fires and tyranny
and a centuries-long chain
641
00:43:42,487 --> 00:43:44,954
Of human misery.
642
00:43:46,257 --> 00:43:49,392
Romania is cursed,
not by a vampire,
643
00:43:49,427 --> 00:43:54,430
But by geography and history,
by a fearsome ruler but
644
00:43:54,466 --> 00:43:58,935
Romanians survive and flourish
in the face of catastrophe and
645
00:43:58,970 --> 00:44:01,371
Emerging science shows how
coping with trauma can be
646
00:44:01,406 --> 00:44:04,307
Passed down in the
form of epigenetics.
647
00:44:04,342 --> 00:44:06,542
Could there be a connection?
648
00:44:06,578 --> 00:44:09,846
I can't say for sure.
649
00:44:10,248 --> 00:44:12,649
From where I'm sitting,
vlad the impaler did curse
650
00:44:12,684 --> 00:44:18,187
Romania and the
proof is written in blood.
651
00:44:20,959 --> 00:44:22,999
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