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Narrator: IN MAY 2018,
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FBI CRIME ANALYST
CHRISTIE PALAZZOLO,
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DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE FORENSICS
EXPERT DR. ANGELA WILLIAMSON,
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AND TEXAS RANGER JIM HOLLAND
ARE AT THE END OF A LONG DAY
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INTERVIEWING CONVICTED KILLER
SAMUEL LITTLE.
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THEY'D HOPED TO GET
HIS CONFESSION
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FOR THE 1994 MURDER
OF DENISE BROTHERS.
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THEY GOT MUCH MORE
THAN THEY EVER IMAGINED.
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HE NAILED EVERY ASPECT
OF THEIR INTERACTION,
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DESCRIBING THE SCENE
WHERE HE LEFT HER,
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WHAT HE DID TO HER,
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ALL THE DETAILS THAT WE KNEW
ABOUT THE CASE.
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NOW HE HAD HIS CHANCE
TO TELL THESE STORIES
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AND A VERY RAPT AUDIENCE
TO TELL THEM TO,
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SO I THINK THE FLOODGATES
JUST KIND OF OPENED.
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SAMUEL LITTLE
SAID HIS FIRST HOMICIDE
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WAS 1970.
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1970 TO 2005 IS WHEN WE KNOW
THAT HE WAS KILLING PEOPLE.
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Narrator: DR. JONI JOHNSTON
IS NOT INVOLVED
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IN ANY INVESTIGATIONS
OF SAMUEL LITTLE,
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THOUGH SHE IS AN EXPERT
ON SERIAL KILLERS.
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Johnston: A 35-YEAR CAREER
IS INCREDIBLY LONG.
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IT IS REALLY UNPRECEDENTED
TO HAVE A SERIAL KILLER
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WHO STARTS AROUND AGE 29 TO 30
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AND COMMITS HIS LAST MURDER
AT 65.
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Narrator:
MORE THAN THREE DECADES OF DEATH
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WITH SCORES OF VICTIMS.
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Williamson:
HE'D NEVER TALLIED IT UP.
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HE HAD REALLY NO IDEA
HOW MANY HE KILLED.
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HE STARTED TO DO STATE LISTS
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AND THEN NUMBERS PER STATE.
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THAT'S WHEN WE GOT
TO THE NUMBER,
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WHICH WAS PRETTY STAGGERING.
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Palazzolo:
IT CAME OUT TO OVER 90 VICTIMS
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THAT HE WAS CLAIMING
RESPONSIBILITY FOR KILLING.
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Narrator: THE TEAM HAS JUST
ONE MORE DAY WITH LITTLE
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AND SO MUCH GROUND TO COVER.
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Williamson: WE WANTED TO
KEEP HIM TALKING.
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HE'S ELDERLY.
HE HAD HEALTH ISSUES.
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WE KNEW THAT HE WOULD TAKE
THOSE SECRETS WITH HIM.
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Narrator: THAT IS, UNLESS THE
TEAM CAN GET HIM BACK TO TEXAS
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TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION.
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HOLLAND PROMISES TO GET
THE DEATH PENALTY WAIVED
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IF LITTLE PLEADS GUILTY
TO DENISE'S KILLING.
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Narrator: AT THEIR HOTEL
LATER THAT NIGHT,
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THE TEAM'S WORK HAS JUST BEGUN.
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WE RECONVENED BACK IN ONE ROOM.
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JIM WAS ON THE PHONE
WORKING WITH THE PROSECUTOR.
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LITTLE HAD SAID
HE WANTED A LETTER.
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JIM WAS TRYING TO
MAKE THAT HAPPEN
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SO HE COULD BRING IT TO LITTLE
THE NEXT DAY AND SHOW HIM,
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"HEY, LOOK,
I'M A MAN OF MY WORD.
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YOU SAID GET THIS FOR YOU.
I GOT IT FOR YOU.
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LET'S TALK SOME MORE."
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Narrator: STILL,
ONE BIG QUESTION LINGERS.
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CAN LITTLE BE TRUSTED?
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WHEN KNEW ODESSA LOOKED GREAT
IN TERMS OF HIS TRUTHFULNESS,
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HIS ACCURACY, HIS RECOLLECTION.
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BUT WE'RE LIKE,
"ARE THESE OTHER CASES REAL?"
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Palazzolo: I WAS THE NAYSAYER
OF THE GROUP.
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WHEN WE'RE IN THE '90s,
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I THOUGHT, NO WAY.
HE'S EXAGGERATING.
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Narrator: THEY PORE OVER
LITTLE'S STORIES,
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NOTING EVERY TINY DETAIL.
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Palazzolo:
WE HAD THE CONFESSION REPLAYING,
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AND ANGELA AND I ARE
RELISTENING TO THE INTERVIEW,
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TAKING MORE NOTES,
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AND THEN WE'RE FURIOUSLY
SEARCHING ON THE INTERNET.
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WE'RE IN ViCAP.
WE'RE TRYING TO FIND CASES
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THAT ARE MATCHING BACK UP
TO HIS CONFESSION.
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ALL OF A SUDDEN,
I JUST KIND OF FROZE.
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AND ANGELA LOOKS OVER AT ME,
AND SHE'S LIKE, "WHAT?"
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I SAID, "I THINK I FOUND NANCY."
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SAMUEL LITTLE CONFESSED
TO KILLING A WOMAN
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HE KNEW AS NANCY IN 2005,
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AND HE TOLD US THAT SHE WAS
HIS VERY LAST ONE.
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Narrator:
IN THE SUMMER OF 2005,
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DETECTIVE NADIS CARLISLE
CATCHES A MURDER CASE
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FROM OVER THE BORDER
IN MISSISSIPPI.
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WE GOT A CALL
THAT NANCY STEVENS
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HAD TURNED UP DEAD
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THREE MILES
FROM TUPELO, MISSISSIPPI,
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WHERE SHE DIED
FROM MANUAL STRANGULATION.
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TWO PASSING MOTORISTS
WERE GOING DOWN THE ROAD
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AND SAW HER BODY
DUMPED UNCEREMONIOUSLY.
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I WANTED TO BE THE ONE
TO MAKE THE DEATH NOTIFICATION
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BECAUSE I DID KNOW
THE FAMILY MEMBERS.
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CARLISLE PLAYED FOOTBALL WITH
NANCY'S BROTHERS IN HIGH SCHOOL.
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Carlisle:
NANCY WAS A STRAIGHT-A STUDENT.
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SHE WAS A SWEET PERSON.
SHE WAS A TRUSTING PERSON.
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SHE JUST GOT ALONG
WITH EVERYONE THAT I KNEW OF.
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Paul:
OH, YEAH, SHE WAS REAL SMART.
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AFTER HIGH SCHOOL,
ME AND HER ACTUALLY WENT
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TO CALHOUN COMMUNITY COLLEGE
TOGETHER,
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AND WE WAS TAKING CLASSES THERE.
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Narrator: BUT WITH A YOUNG SON
TO SUPPORT, NANCY LEFT COLLEGE
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FOR AN ASSEMBLY LINE JOB
AT GENERAL MOTORS.
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Paul: THAT'S WHEN
WE START NOTICING THE CHANGE.
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SHE JUST GOT HOLD TO
THE WRONG -- THE WRONG DRUG.
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YOU KNOW?
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SHE GOT HOOKED ON CRACK.
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MY MAMA WOULD JUST STAY
ON HER A LOT AND TELLING HER,
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"YOU NEED TO QUIT
RUNNING THE STREETS."
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STOP GETTING IN CARS WITH PEOPLE
YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW,
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'CAUSE THEY GONNA
TAKE YOU SOMEWHERE AND HURT YOU,
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AND WE WON'T KNOW WHERE YOU ARE.
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SHE WOULD TAKE TRIPS.
SHE HAD A COUPLE OF FRIENDS.
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SHE WOULD GO OUT OF TOWN.
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Narrator: NANCY LEAVES TOWN
ON ONE OF THOSE TRIPS
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IN AUGUST 2005.
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WE WERE USED TO OUR GOING OFF
AND STAYING A COUPLE OF NIGHTS.
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WE DIDN'T THINK NOTHING OF IT.
WE JUST FIGURED, YOU KNOW,
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SHE'LL BE BACK
IN A COUPLE OF DAYS.
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Narrator: THIS TIME,
NANCY DOESN'T COME BACK.
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Carlisle: I HATED TO MAKE
THE DEATH NOTIFICATION,
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BUT I DID WANT TO BE
THE ONE TO MAKE IT.
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I WAS HOPING THAT WOULD
MAKE IT EASIER,
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BUT IT'S NEVER EASY.
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IT WAS PRETTY TOUGH.
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Narrator:
IN TUPELO, MISSISSIPPI,
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WHERE NANCY'S BODY IS FOUND,
THERE ARE FEW LEADS.
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BACK HOME IN DECATUR,
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CARLISLE TRACKS DOWN
A POTENTIAL SUSPECT --
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A TRUCK DRIVER KNOWN
FOR GIVING NANCY RIDES.
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Carlisle: I TOLD HIM THAT HE WAS
FACING A HOMICIDE CHARGE,
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THAT WE THOUGHT
HE HAD KILLED NANCY.
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BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE NEARLY
THE AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE WE NEEDED
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TO CHARGE HIM WITH HOMICIDE,
SO WE DIDN'T.
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Narrator: CARLISLE RELEASES
THE TRUCK DRIVER,
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AND AS THE MONTHS GO BY,
NO NEW SUSPECTS EMERGE.
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I KNEW NADIS WAS WORKING ON IT,
BUT THEY JUST RAN OUT OF LEADS.
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Carlisle: WE WERE UNABLE TO
FIND OUT WHO HER KILLER WAS,
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BUT I NEVER GAVE UP.
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I DID NOT KNOW WHAT
THE ANSWER WOULD BE,
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BUT I ALWAYS KEPT HOPE,
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KEPT HOPE THAT SOMEDAY
SOMETHING WOULD HAPPEN.
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Narrator: ON THE 10th
ANNIVERSARY OF NANCY'S MURDER,
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CARLISLE CONVINCES HER SON
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TO TALK TO THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER
ABOUT THE CASE.
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[ SIREN WAILING ]
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THREE YEARS LATER,
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THAT STORY GRABS
PALAZZOLO'S ATTENTION.
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Palazzolo:
I WAS ON THE COMPUTER,
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AND I FOUND A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE
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WHERE THEY HAD INTERVIEWED
THE SON OF A WOMAN
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NAMED NANCY STEVENS
WHO HAD BEEN KILLED IN 2005,
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WHOSE BODY WAS FOUND
ON A ROADSIDE
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JUST OUTSIDE OF
TUPELO, MISSISSIPPI.
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I REMEMBER VERY CLEARLY
THEY HAVE A PICTURE
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OF HER SON IN HIS BEDROOM
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POINTING TO A PICTURE
OF HIS MOM ON THE WALL.
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HE SAID THAT HE DROVE
WITH NANCY TO
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THAT PLACE TO MISSISSIPPI
WHERE ELVIS HAD A HOME.
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HE COULDN'T REMEMBER
THE NAME OF THE TOWN,
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BUT THAT'S WHAT
HE ASSOCIATED WITH.
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AND IT TURNS OUT HE HAD A HOME
IN TUPELO, MISSISSIPPI,
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AND SO ALL OF THESE THINGS
WERE FALLING INTO PLACE.
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THAT'S WHEN I KNEW WE HAD
SOMETHING MORE ON OUR HANDS,
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THAT MAYBE HE REALLY WAS
TELLING THE TRUTH.
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IF HE REALLY IS GOOD
FOR THIS MANY CASES,
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THINK OF HOW MANY CASE CLOSURES
WE CAN MAKE
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THAT WOULD HELP
SO MANY FAMILIES OUT THERE.
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WE KNEW THIS WAS
GOING TO BE BIG.
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Narrator: RANGER JIM HOLLAND
ENDS THE FIRST DAY OF INTERVIEWS
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ON SAMUEL LITTLE'S GOOD SIDE,
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BUT THE TEAM KNOWS THAT
COULD CHANGE IN A HEARTBEAT.
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THE BIGGEST FEAR WAS
THAT SOMETHING WOULD ANNOY HIM,
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AND HE WOULD STOP COMMUNICATING,
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THAT HE WOULD JUST TELL US
TO GET LOST.
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WE KNEW WHAT WE HAD TO LOSE.
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IT'S DIFFERENT WHEN YOU THINK
SOMEONE'S LYING.
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IT'S DIFFERENT WHEN YOU THINK,
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"I'VE GOT ALL THE CASES
OUT OF THEM."
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WE KNEW WE DIDN'T.
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Narrator: AT THE START OF THE
SECOND DAY OF QUESTIONING,
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THE STAKES COULDN'T BE HIGHER.
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Holland:
"TO WHO IT MAY CONCERN,
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THE ECTOR COUNTY
DISTRICT ATTORNEY,
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R.N. "BOBBY" BLAND, WILL AGREE
TO WAIVE THE DEATH PENALTY
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AGAINST SAMUEL McDOWELL,
A.K.A. SAMUEL LITTLE,
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IN EXCHANGE FOR A PLEA OF GUILTY
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AND AGREED SENTENCE
OF LIFE IMPRISONMENT
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TO THE MURDER
OF DENISE CHRISTIE BROTHERS."
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Narrator: BUT LITTLE IS WARY
OF POLICE BEARING GIFTS.
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Holland: YEAH.
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Narrator: IT'S TIME TO MAKE
ONE FINAL PITCH.
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IT'S THE BREAKTHROUGH
THE TEAM'S BEEN HOPING FOR.
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LITTLE AGREES TO EXTRADITION
BACK TO TEXAS,
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BUT HOLLAND STILL NEEDS
MORE EVIDENCE
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TO PROVE LITTLE KILLED
DENISE BROTHERS.
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PROSECUTORS SAID,
"ALL WE HAVE IS HIS CONFESSION,
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AND IT'S A GOOD ONE.
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BUT YOU GOT TO GIVE ME SOMETHING
THAT NO ONE ELSE COULD KNOW
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THAT HASN'T
ALREADY BEEN DISCOVERED."
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AND SO JIM WENT BACK
TO LITTLE AND SAID,
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"ALL RIGHT, TELL ME MORE."
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Narrator: HOLLAND STARTS PROBING
FOR BASIC FACTS.
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SO FAR, LITTLE HASN'T
REVEALED ANYTHING
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ONLY THE KILLER WOULD KNOW.
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HOLLAND PRESSES HIM HARDER
FOR SPECIFICS.
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FINALLY, A POTENTIAL CLUE
HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT.
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Palazzolo: HE STARTED DESCRIBING
THIS OTHER PIPE THAT WAS THERE,
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AND SO THEY WENT THROUGH
THEIR CRIME-SCENE PHOTOS,
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AND THEY COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING
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THAT MATCHED UP
WITH THIS DESCRIPTION.
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AND A LITTLE LATER ON, THEY WENT
BACK TO THE EVIDENCE ROOM,
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AND THEY FOUND A ROLL
OF 35-MILLIMETER FILM
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THAT HAD NOT BEEN DEVELOPED.
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AND SURE ENOUGH,
THEY WERE CRIME-SCENE PHOTOS.
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AND IN ONE OF THEM,
IT SHOWED THIS PIPE
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THAT LITTLE HAD BEEN DESCRIBING.
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Narrator: THE TEAM SHARES THEIR
FINDINGS WITH THE D.A.'S OFFICE.
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Palazzolo: THAT WAS ENOUGH
THAT FINALLY THE PROSECUTOR
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WAS LIKE,
"THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED.
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NOBODY ELSE KNEW ABOUT THIS.
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HE WAS ABLE TO DESCRIBE THAT
WITH SUCH ACCURATE DETAIL.
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THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED."
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Narrator:
FOR DENISE'S SON DAMIEN,
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THE 24 YEARS SINCE HER MURDER
HAVE TAKEN THEIR TOLL.
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AFTER YEARS AND YEARS
OF MY MOM BEING MISSING,
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IT'S THAT POINT
WHERE YOU KIND OF JUST
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THROW YOUR HANDS IN THE AIR
AND YOU GIVE UP.
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IT TAKES A LOT
TO DEAL WITH SOMETHING
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ALL YOUR LIFE LIKE THIS.
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AND IT'S NOT EASY, YOU KNOW?
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THERE WAS SOMEBODY
FOR EACH OF THESE VICTIMS
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THAT ABSOLUTELY MISSED THEM,
THAT LOVED THEM,
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THAT HAS BEEN WONDERING ALL OF
THIS TIME WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM.
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Narrator:
IN JUST TWO DAYS OF INTERVIEWS,
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THE TEAM IS ON THEIR WAY
TO CLOSING THE CASES
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OF DENISE BROTHERS
AND NANCY STEVENS,
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WITH LEADS ON ALMOST 20 MORE.
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EVEN SO, THEY HAVE
AN UPHILL BATTLE AHEAD OF THEM.
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AFTER HE INDICATED
HOW MANY HE KILLED,
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WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE
THAT WE DIDN'T LOSE THE CHANCE
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TO GET THAT INFORMATION.
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WE KNEW THERE WAS ALMOST
100 CASES TO RISK.
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IT WAS HUGE PRESSURE
TO GET HIM EXTRADITED
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SO HE WOULD TELL US
ABOUT THE REST.
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Narrator: CHRISTIE PALAZZOLO,
ANGELA WILLIAMSON,
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AND JIM HOLLAND
HAVE EXTRACTED 20 CONFESSIONS
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FROM SERIAL KILLER
SAMUEL LITTLE.
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Palazzolo:
WE WERE ONLY IN INTERVIEWS
WITH LITTLE FOR TWO DAYS.
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HE HAD GIVEN US SPECIFIC,
DETAILED CONFESSIONS
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FOR 20 CASES,
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BUT WE KNEW THAT, THEREFORE,
WE HAD ALMOST 70 MORE
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THAT WE NEEDED
TO GET OUT OF HIM
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THAT HE TOLD US HE WOULD TELL US
ABOUT WHEN HE GOT TO TEXAS.
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SO EXTRADITION TO TEXAS
WAS OUR NUMBER-ONE PRIORITY.
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Narrator: WHILE HOLLAND GETS
STARTED ON THAT FRONT,
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PALAZZOLO AND WILLIAMSON
HEAD BACK TO THE FBI.
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GETTING LITTLE TO TEXAS
IS NO EASY FEAT.
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Palazzolo: THAT WHOLE PROCESS --
IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME.
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THERE ARE A LOT OF APPROVALS.
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WE HAD A COUPLE OF HICCUPS
ALONG THE ROAD.
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Williamson: AND THAT WAS
THE BIGGEST STRESS ON ALL OF US,
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MAKING SURE WE COULD GET HIM
EXTRADITED TO TEXAS
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SO HE WOULD CONTINUE TALKING
TO RANGER HOLLAND.
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THAT WAS PROBABLY
THE MOST STRESSFUL TIME
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OF THE INVESTIGATION BECAUSE
WE KNEW WHAT WE HAD TO LOSE.
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WE WERE SO CONCERNED
THAT SOMETHING WOULD GET OUT
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AND THAT ANOTHER AGENCY
WOULD JUMP AHEAD OF US
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AND TRY TO GET HIM
EXTRADITED SOMEWHERE ELSE
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AND, THEREFORE,
JIM WOULD LOSE ACCESS TO HIM,
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AND WE WOULD LOSE
70 CONFESSIONS.
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SO, AT THAT TIME,
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WE WEREN'T RELEASING HIS NAME,
EVEN TO OTHER AGENCIES.
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WE WEREN'T TELLING THEM
WHO HE WAS.
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Narrator: THEIR GOAL IS TO LINK
AS MANY CASES
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AS THEY CAN TO LITTLE.
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CLUES LIE IN HIS ART.
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Palazzolo:
LITTLE WOULD SPEND SOME TIME,
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THINK ABOUT THE VICTIM,
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THINK ABOUT
WHAT HAPPENED WITH THEM,
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TRY TO VISUALIZE THE VICTIM
AS CLEARLY AS HE CAN.
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THIS IS HIS MEMORY
FROM SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED
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30, SOMETIMES 40, YEARS AGO.
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BUT EVERY TIME WE'VE BEEN
ABLE TO MATCH A CASE BACK
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WHERE HE'S DONE A DRAWING,
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THERE'S BEEN ONE ASPECT
OF THAT PORTRAIT
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THAT HAS BEEN SPOT-ON.
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SOMETIMES IT'S HER SMILE.
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SOMETIMES IT IS A NECKLACE
THAT SHE'S WEARING.
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SOMETIMES IT'S THE HAIRSTYLE.
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THERE'S SOMETHING
ABOUT HIS DRAWINGS
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THAT IS ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE.
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Narrator: NOT EVERYTHING IS
SO STRAIGHTFORWARD.
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FIRST OF ALL, LITTLE WAS
NOT GOOD ABOUT TIME FRAMES.
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HE WASN'T VERY GOOD AT WHAT YEAR
EVERYTHING HAPPENED.
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WITH THE BROTHERS CASE,
HE WAS OFF BY A DECADE.
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SO THAT WAS OUR EXAMPLE,
SO WE KNEW
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HE COULD BE OFF BY AS MANY AS
10 YEARS ON EITHER SIDE.
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ALSO, HE HAS NO IDEA
WHERE JURISDICTIONAL LINES ARE.
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SO, TO HIM, HE'S PICKING UP
A VICTIM IN ATLANTA.
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THEN HE DRIVES OUT A DIRT ROAD
AND DUMPS THEIR BODY.
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WELL, IS HE STILL
IN ATLANTA PD'S JURISDICTION?
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IS HE IN THE COUNTY?
IS HE IN A SURROUNDING COUNTY?
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Narrator: IT'S LAYER UPON LAYER
OF COMPLICATION.
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PER CONFESSION,
WE PROBABLY CONTACTED
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AT LEAST THREE TO FIVE AGENCIES
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TRYING TO IDENTIFY THE CASE
THAT LITTLE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
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SO WE'RE CONTACTING
THESE AGENCIES, TELLING THEM,
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"WE HAVE THIS OFFENDER
IN CUSTODY
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WHO'S CONFESSING TO A HOMICIDE
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THAT MIGHT BE
IN YOUR JURISDICTION.
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GO BACK TO YOUR FILES
ALL THE WAY BACK TO 1970.
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GIVE HIM A 20-YEAR BUFFER
FOR A HOMICIDE
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THAT MIGHT BE
WITHIN YOUR JURISDICTION
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AND TRY TO FIND CASES
THAT MATCH UP
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TO THESE PARTICULAR
CIRCUMSTANCES.
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OH, AND BY THE WAY,
WE'RE NOT TELLING YOU WHO HE IS.
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WE'RE NOT RELEASING HIS NAME."
[ LAUGHS ]
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WE DIDN'T MAKE
A WHOLE LOT OF FRIENDS
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OFF OF THOSE PHONE CALLS.
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Narrator: AS THE TEAM LOOKS
FOR MORE CASES,
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THEY NEED ADDITIONAL TOOLS
AND RESOURCES.
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Palazzolo: WE'D START WITH
ViCAP, BUT UNFORTUNATELY,
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VERY FEW OF THESE CASES
WERE IN ViCAP.
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-DADE COUNTY.
-DADE COUNTY?
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Narrator: AGAIN AND AGAIN,
THEY RETURNED
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TO LITTLE'S INTERVIEWS
FOR LEADS.
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Holland:
IN THE CITY OR IN THE COUNTY?
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YEAH.
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Williamson: LITTLE COULD RECALL
NEWSPAPER HEADLINES,
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WHICH WERE VERY HELPFUL,
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OR HE MIGHT REMEMBER
KEY DETAILS.
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Palazzolo: WE GOT A SUBSCRIPTION
TO newspapers.com,
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AND WE'D JUST GO THROUGH
DAY AFTER DAY,
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JUST READING
ARTICLE AFTER ARTICLE,
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TRYING DIFFERENT KEYWORDS,
TRYING DIFFERENT COMBINATIONS
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OF FACTORS THAT HE MENTIONED
IN HIS CONFESSION.
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Williamson: ONE OF THE CASES
HE REMEMBERED THE HEADLINE...
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SHE WAS IN THE SEX INDUSTRY,
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AND HE THOUGHT SHE HAD
SOME MENTAL-HEALTH ISSUES.
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AND ALL THOSE DETAILS
WERE IN THE ARTICLE.
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THAT'S HOW I FOUND HER.
I KNEW SHE WAS IN FLORIDA.
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HE REMEMBERED
SHE'D BEEN FROM INDIANA.
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WHO WOULD REMEMBER THAT A
NEWSPAPER ARTICLE FROM THE 1970s
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CALLED THIS GIRL A LOST SOUL?
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Narrator: THE VICTIM IS
25-YEAR-OLD ANGELA CHAPMAN,
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STRANGLED BY LITTLE IN 1976.
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WHEN YOU FIND A LITTLE CASE,
YOU KNOW YOU'VE FOUND IT.
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EVERYTHING THAT HE SAYS
MATCHES UP
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BECAUSE HE'S NOT TELLING YOU
GENERIC DETAILS.
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AND IN THAT CASE,
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HE REMEMBERED
WHEN HE DISPOSED OF HER BODY,
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THERE WERE SOME WEIRD ARCHES
IN A DRIVEWAY OR SOMETHING.
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AND WE'RE LIKE,
"THAT'S REALLY RANDOM.
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WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN?"
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AND WHEN WE REACHED OUT
TO THE AGENCY AND SAID,
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"WE'VE GOT THIS KILLER.
THIS IS HER NAME.
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CAN YOU GO PULL HER FILE?"
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IN THE CRIME-SCENE PHOTOS
WERE THE ARCHES.
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THE THING THAT STOOD OUT MOST
WHEN WE'RE LISTENING
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AND WATCHING LITTLE TALK
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IS THE LEVEL OF DETAIL
THAT HE'S ABLE TO RECALL.
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IT'S ALMOST AS IF HE IS
TRANSPORTING HIMSELF
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BACK TO THE SCENE OF THE CRIME.
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♪♪
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00:26:23,310 --> 00:26:32,520
♪♪
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Narrator: WHILE WAITING FOR
SAMUEL LITTLE'S
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EXTRADITION TO TEXAS,
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CHRISTIE PALAZZOLO
AND ANGELA WILLIAMSON
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MINE EVERY DETAIL
FROM HIS INTERVIEWS.
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EACH ONE, TO HIM,
IS A SELF-CONTAINED STORY
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ABOUT HOW HE MET THE VICTIM,
THEIR INTERACTION,
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HOW HE KILLED THEM,
AND THEN HOW HE LEFT.
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YOU KNOW, SOME SERIAL KILLERS
TAKE TROPHIES.
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THEY'LL TAKE JEWELRY
FROM THEIR VICTIMS.
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THEY'LL TAKE CLOTHING.
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SAMUEL LITTLE'S TROPHIES
WERE HIS MEMORIES,
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AND HE KIND OF TAKES
THESE MENTAL TROPHIES
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THAT HE HAS,
AND HE PUTS THEM ON PAPER.
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Narrator:
TO GAIN LITTLE'S TRUST,
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HOLLAND TREATS HIM WITH RESPECT,
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EVEN PARROTING
THE KILLER'S GUTTER LANGUAGE.
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THERE WERE MOMENTS THAT LITTLE
WAS KIND OF TESTING JIM,
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TRYING TO SEE HOW HE WOULD REACT
AND WHAT HIS REACTION WOULD BE.
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00:27:35,655 --> 00:27:37,855
AND JIM WAS ABLE
TO JUST ROLL WITH IT
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00:27:37,862 --> 00:27:39,592
AND KEEP ASKING THE QUESTIONS,
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AND HE GOT MORE CONFESSIONS
BY DOING THAT.
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Holland: YEAH.
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Narrator: PERVERSELY, LITTLE
SUGGESTS THERE WAS NO ILL WILL
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BETWEEN HIM AND HIS VICTIMS.
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Holland: MM-HMM.
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Johnston: PARTICULARLY
IT'S PEOPLE THAT HE PICKS UP.
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00:29:00,413 --> 00:29:02,903
THEY'RE EXPENDABLE WOMEN
FOR HIM,
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00:29:02,896 --> 00:29:04,896
AND THEY SERVE A PURPOSE.
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00:29:04,896 --> 00:29:06,856
THESE ARE OBJECTS FOR HIM
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00:29:06,862 --> 00:29:08,592
THAT ARE A VEHICLE
FOR HIM TO GET PLEASURE.
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00:29:08,586 --> 00:29:10,546
THAT'S ALL THAT THEY ARE.
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ONCE HE'S GOTTEN THAT PLEASURE,
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HE'S GOTTEN
WHAT HE WANTS FROM THEM,
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00:29:14,655 --> 00:29:16,275
THEN THEY ARE TRASH.
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00:29:16,275 --> 00:29:17,825
HE JUST THROWS THEM AWAY.
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Narrator: SO WHAT IS IT
THAT MAKES LITTLE TICK?
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ALL OF THESE WERE
SEXUALLY MOTIVATED CRIMES.
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THAT'S WHAT.
HE GOT ENJOYMENT OUT OF.
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00:29:42,034 --> 00:29:44,144
SAM LITTLE --
HE WANTED TO SEE THEM,
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HE WANTED HIS THUMBS
TO BE IN THEIR THROAT
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WHILE THEY'RE SWALLOWING.
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00:29:48,482 --> 00:29:50,482
HE WANTED TO FEEL ALL THAT.
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00:29:50,482 --> 00:29:53,382
HE ENJOYED THE ACT
OF STRANGLING THEM.
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HE WANTED THEM TO BE CONSCIOUS
WHILE HE WAS DOING IT.
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HE DIDN'T ENJOY KILLING THEM,
PER SAY.
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HE ENJOYED STRANGLING THEM.
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HE TOLD US THAT
FROM THE AGE OF 5,
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00:30:10,275 --> 00:30:15,475
HE FOUND HIMSELF SEXUALLY
ATTRACTED TO A WOMAN'S NECK.
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00:30:15,482 --> 00:30:18,002
WHEN IT COMES TO LITTLE'S
FASCINATION WITH THE NECK,
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HE DOESN'T KNOW,
WE DON'T KNOW.
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00:30:20,206 --> 00:30:22,066
AND AS HE SAYS,
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00:30:22,068 --> 00:30:23,968
MAYBE THE WIRES IN HIS BRAIN
ARE JUST BROKEN,
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AND I THINK WE JUST
LEAVE IT AT THAT,
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BECAUSE HOW ELSE
DO YOU RECONCILE?
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00:30:40,068 --> 00:30:41,518
Holland: YEAH.
435
00:30:44,827 --> 00:30:49,237
Narrator: WHEN HE'S ABOUT 15,
HIS FOCUS CLARIFIES.
436
00:30:57,103 --> 00:30:58,413
Holland: YEAH.
437
00:31:02,689 --> 00:31:03,929
MM-HMM.
438
00:31:05,965 --> 00:31:07,165
MM-HMM.
439
00:31:10,448 --> 00:31:11,968
MM-HMM.
440
00:31:15,862 --> 00:31:17,172
MM-HMM.
441
00:31:36,172 --> 00:31:40,142
Narrator: NOT ONLY DOES TRUE
CRIME INDULGE LITTLE'S FETISH,
442
00:31:40,137 --> 00:31:43,997
IT TEACHES HIM
HOW TO GET AWAY WITH MURDER.
443
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,900
Palazzolo:
HE SPENT TIME AS A CHILD
444
00:31:45,896 --> 00:31:48,166
READING THE OLD
DETECTIVE MAGAZINES
445
00:31:48,172 --> 00:31:49,902
AND LEARNING FROM THEM
446
00:31:49,896 --> 00:31:52,406
WHAT INVESTIGATORS
WOULD DO AT A SCENE.
447
00:31:52,413 --> 00:31:54,553
Williamson:
IT WAS ACTUALLY TRAINING HIM
448
00:31:54,551 --> 00:31:55,761
HOW TO NOT LEAVE EVIDENCE.
449
00:31:55,758 --> 00:31:57,408
SO EVEN BEFORE DNA EXISTED,
450
00:31:57,413 --> 00:32:00,863
HE KNEW ABOUT FINGERPRINTS
AND HAIR, FIBERS,
451
00:32:00,862 --> 00:32:02,452
THINGS THAT
COULD BE TRANSFERRED.
452
00:32:02,448 --> 00:32:04,658
AND HE WAS ALWAYS CONSCIOUS
AT THE CRIME SCENE
453
00:32:04,655 --> 00:32:10,065
TO NOT LEAVE ANYTHING BEHIND,
LONG BEFORE DNA.
454
00:32:10,068 --> 00:32:12,168
Narrator:
AFTER FANTASIZING FOR YEARS,
455
00:32:12,172 --> 00:32:14,902
LITTLE CROSSES THE LINE
AT AGE 30
456
00:32:14,896 --> 00:32:17,236
AND KILLS HIS FIRST VICTIM.
457
00:32:26,344 --> 00:32:27,454
Holland: YEAH.
458
00:32:28,724 --> 00:32:30,624
YEAH.
459
00:32:30,620 --> 00:32:32,210
YEAH.
460
00:32:39,068 --> 00:32:42,658
Narrator:
NOT ONLY IS LITTLE ADEPT
AT COVERING HIS TRACKS,
461
00:32:42,655 --> 00:32:46,235
HE'S A PRO AT TALKING HIS WAY
OUT OF TROUBLE.
462
00:32:55,137 --> 00:33:01,997
♪♪
463
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:08,860
♪♪
464
00:33:08,862 --> 00:33:11,662
Narrator: IN 1982,
LITTLE IS PASSING THROUGH
465
00:33:11,655 --> 00:33:16,025
THE SMALL TOWN
OF OCALA, FLORIDA.
466
00:33:16,034 --> 00:33:17,724
ON AUGUST 12th,
467
00:33:17,724 --> 00:33:22,664
HE'S ON A SO-CALLED DATE
WITH A WOMAN NAMED ROSIE HILL.
468
00:33:22,655 --> 00:33:26,065
HE DRIVES HER TO A DESERTED SPOT
BEHIND A FACTORY.
469
00:33:30,482 --> 00:33:31,832
Holland: OKAY.
470
00:33:35,275 --> 00:33:36,715
[ SIREN CHIRPS ]
471
00:33:49,586 --> 00:33:52,966
Narrator: WITH NO WAY OUT,
LITTLE MUST THINK FAST.
472
00:33:57,896 --> 00:33:59,166
Holland: YEAH.
473
00:34:00,379 --> 00:34:01,859
YEAH.
474
00:34:38,689 --> 00:34:41,659
Narrator: TWO YEARS LATER,
LITTLE TRIES THE SAME TACTIC
475
00:34:41,655 --> 00:34:44,585
WITH POLICE IN SAN DIEGO,
476
00:34:44,586 --> 00:34:47,236
BUT THEY DON'T FALL FOR IT.
477
00:34:47,241 --> 00:34:50,311
HE STILL THINKS ABOUT
THAT CLOSE CALL IN OCALA.
478
00:35:04,206 --> 00:35:13,446
♪♪
479
00:35:13,448 --> 00:35:17,618
THE TEAM HAS GONE DEEP
INTO THE MIND OF A MONSTER,
480
00:35:17,620 --> 00:35:20,970
BUT THEY HAVE 70 MORE MURDERS
TO INVESTIGATE,
481
00:35:20,965 --> 00:35:25,405
70 MORE FAMILIES
WHO HAVE NEVER HAD ANSWERS.
482
00:35:25,413 --> 00:35:27,663
THAT'S WHY THEY NEED
TO GET LITTLE TO TEXAS
483
00:35:27,655 --> 00:35:30,275
AND KEEP HIM TALKING.
484
00:35:30,275 --> 00:35:32,375
Palazzolo:
THESE WERE HIS STORIES,
485
00:35:32,379 --> 00:35:34,829
AND HE GETS ANIMATED
WHEN HE TELLS THEM.
486
00:35:34,827 --> 00:35:36,377
HIS EYES LIGHT UP.
487
00:35:36,379 --> 00:35:40,279
HE GETS EXCITED ABOUT IT.
488
00:35:40,275 --> 00:35:43,855
BUT THEY ALL END WITH,
"AND THEN I KILLED HER."
489
00:35:43,862 --> 00:35:50,072
♪♪
490
00:35:51,758 --> 00:35:58,998
♪♪
491
00:36:18,448 --> 00:36:19,788
Holland: YEAH.
492
00:36:25,275 --> 00:36:30,585
♪♪
493
00:36:30,586 --> 00:36:35,966
♪♪
494
00:36:35,965 --> 00:36:38,515
Narrator:
MONTHS INTO THE INVESTIGATION,
495
00:36:38,517 --> 00:36:42,097
AS THEY WAIT FOR SAMUEL LITTLE
TO MOVE TO TEXAS,
496
00:36:42,103 --> 00:36:44,793
PALAZZOLO AND WILLIAMSON
CONTINUE PORING OVER
497
00:36:44,793 --> 00:36:46,523
HIS INTERROGATION TAPES
498
00:36:46,517 --> 00:36:49,827
IN THE HOPES
OF I.D.ing MORE VICTIMS.
499
00:36:49,827 --> 00:36:53,137
AS WE STARTED REALLY DIGGING
INTO WHAT HE WAS SAYING,
500
00:36:53,137 --> 00:36:55,657
THE DETAILS HE WAS PROVIDING,
501
00:36:55,655 --> 00:36:59,335
HE'S ABLE TO TAKE HIMSELF BACK
502
00:36:59,344 --> 00:37:03,214
TO THE TIME OF HIS INTERACTION
WITH THE VICTIM.
503
00:37:03,206 --> 00:37:05,206
IN ONE INSTANCE,
HE COULD REMEMBER
504
00:37:05,206 --> 00:37:09,236
HE TOOK THE VICTIM
OUT TO DINNER BEFOREHAND.
505
00:37:09,241 --> 00:37:12,521
HE COULD REMEMBER
WHAT SHE ORDERED.
506
00:37:12,517 --> 00:37:16,617
WHEN WE GO BACK IN
FROM THE AUTOPSY REPORT,
507
00:37:16,620 --> 00:37:19,450
THE VICTIM'S STOMACH CONTENTS --
AN ABSOLUTE MATCH
508
00:37:19,448 --> 00:37:22,138
TO WHAT HE SAID SHE HAD ORDERED
FOR DINNER THAT NIGHT.
509
00:37:25,310 --> 00:37:29,690
THIS IS SOMEBODY
WHO HAS RELIVED, REHEARSED,
510
00:37:29,689 --> 00:37:34,139
THOUGHT ABOUT, KEPT THESE
MEMORIES AS FRESH AS POSSIBLE.
511
00:37:34,137 --> 00:37:36,337
AND I THINK THAT IS
WHAT ALLOWS HIM
512
00:37:36,344 --> 00:37:38,174
TO REMEMBER SUCH DETAIL,
513
00:37:38,172 --> 00:37:41,522
BECAUSE HE HAS PROBABLY
KILLED THESE INDIVIDUALS
514
00:37:41,517 --> 00:37:45,277
IN HIS MIND THOUSANDS OF TIMES.
515
00:37:48,344 --> 00:37:51,454
Versiga: THEY'RE ETCHED
IN HIS MIND FOREVER,
516
00:37:51,448 --> 00:37:53,408
AND HE CAN DRAW.
517
00:37:53,413 --> 00:37:58,623
HE DRAWS ALL THIS, SO, I MEAN,
THAT'S JUST SAM LITTLE.
518
00:37:58,620 --> 00:38:00,760
Narrator: POLICE LIEUTENANT
DARREN VERSIGA
519
00:38:00,758 --> 00:38:03,588
FIRST HEARD ABOUT LITTLE IN 2010
520
00:38:03,586 --> 00:38:07,716
WHEN HE STARTED PASCAGOULA,
MISSISSIPPI'S, COLD-CASE UNIT.
521
00:38:07,724 --> 00:38:10,284
Versiga: THERE WERE 26
UNSOLVED COLD CASES.
522
00:38:10,275 --> 00:38:15,025
I THOUGHT THAT WAS RATHER A LOT
FOR A SMALL TOWN.
523
00:38:15,034 --> 00:38:17,834
Narrator: ONE OF THOSE VICTIMS
WAS MELINDA LaPREE,
524
00:38:17,827 --> 00:38:21,447
STRANGLED TO DEATH IN 1982.
525
00:38:21,448 --> 00:38:22,998
HE CALLED ME AND TOLD ME
526
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,550
HE WANTED TO OPEN UP
HER COLD CASE.
527
00:38:25,551 --> 00:38:27,621
HE ASKED ME
FOR A PICTURE OF MINDY
528
00:38:27,620 --> 00:38:28,970
SO HE COULD PUT IT ON HIS DESK
529
00:38:28,965 --> 00:38:33,095
AND SEE HER AS A PERSON,
NOT JUST A CASE FILE.
530
00:38:33,103 --> 00:38:35,283
THAT CONVINCED ME
THAT THIS GUY WAS SINCERE,
531
00:38:35,275 --> 00:38:37,445
AND I WAS PLEASED THAT SOMEBODY
532
00:38:37,448 --> 00:38:40,138
ACTUALLY WANTED
TO BRING IT BACK UP
533
00:38:40,137 --> 00:38:44,027
'CAUSE COLD CASES
ARE VERY HARD TO LIVE WITH.
534
00:38:44,034 --> 00:38:47,344
Narrator:
SAMUEL LITTLE WAS A SUSPECT
IN THE CASE FROM THE START,
535
00:38:47,344 --> 00:38:49,344
BUT WAS NEVER CHARGED.
536
00:38:49,344 --> 00:38:53,104
NOW VERSIGA IS CONVINCED
HE KILLED MINDY
537
00:38:53,103 --> 00:38:54,933
AND MANY MORE WOMEN.
538
00:38:54,931 --> 00:38:57,691
Versiga: I HAD MADE CALLS
TO FLORIDA, TO GEORGIA,
539
00:38:57,689 --> 00:39:01,899
LOOKING AT OLD HOMICIDE CASES
THAT WERE UNSOLVED
540
00:39:01,896 --> 00:39:04,336
AND SAYING,
"LOOK, IF YOU GOT PROSTITUTES,
541
00:39:04,344 --> 00:39:06,344
YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK
AT THE SAM LITTLE."
542
00:39:09,965 --> 00:39:11,545
Narrator:
THE MURDERS OF SEX WORKERS
543
00:39:11,551 --> 00:39:13,691
ARE NOTORIOUSLY HARD TO SOLVE,
544
00:39:13,689 --> 00:39:16,619
AND BECAUSE LITTLE'S VICTIMS
WERE OFTEN FOUND WEEKS,
545
00:39:16,620 --> 00:39:18,860
EVEN MONTHS, AFTER DEATH,
546
00:39:18,862 --> 00:39:20,792
IT'S HARD TO PICK UP HIS TRAIL.
547
00:39:20,793 --> 00:39:24,313
SOMETIMES THESE VICTIMS
WEREN'T FLAGGED AS HOMICIDES
548
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:26,030
'CAUSE OF THE WAY
HE KILLED THEM.
549
00:39:26,034 --> 00:39:28,004
IF THEY WERE FOUND,
YOU KNOW, DECOMPOSED,
550
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,690
YOU'RE NOT GONNA
SEE STRANGULATION.
551
00:39:30,689 --> 00:39:33,899
Palazzolo: ESPECIALLY IF
THEY DO IDENTIFY THE VICTIM,
552
00:39:33,896 --> 00:39:36,856
SOMETIMES THEY WOULD CHALK IT UP
TO A DRUG OVERDOSE
553
00:39:36,862 --> 00:39:39,142
AND NEVER EVEN RULE IT
A HOMICIDE,
554
00:39:39,137 --> 00:39:40,997
JUST AN ACCIDENTAL DEATH.
555
00:39:54,206 --> 00:39:55,616
Holland: YEAH, I GOTCHA.
556
00:40:01,620 --> 00:40:03,860
WE GOT STUCK ON ONE CASE.
WE KNEW THE GIRL'S NAME.
557
00:40:03,862 --> 00:40:05,172
HER NAME WAS MARTHA.
558
00:40:05,172 --> 00:40:07,102
AND WE KNEW
ALL THESE DETAILS ABOUT HER.
559
00:40:07,103 --> 00:40:08,693
WE KNEW WHERE SHE LIVED
560
00:40:08,689 --> 00:40:11,209
AND ALL THIS GREAT INFORMATION.
561
00:40:20,689 --> 00:40:23,659
WE WERE JUST MIND-BOGGLED.
"WHY AREN'T WE FINDING A CASE?"
562
00:40:23,655 --> 00:40:26,655
AND THANKFULLY, A LOCAL PERSON
563
00:40:26,655 --> 00:40:29,235
FROM THE LAW-ENFORCEMENT AGENCY
THOUGHT,
564
00:40:29,241 --> 00:40:31,171
"WHAT IF IT WASN'T RULED
A HOMICIDE?"
565
00:40:31,172 --> 00:40:33,552
AND SHE WENT AND LOOKED
AT THE M.E.'s RECORDS
566
00:40:33,551 --> 00:40:34,621
AND FOUND HER CASE.
567
00:40:34,620 --> 00:40:36,520
IT WAS RULED ACCIDENTAL.
568
00:40:36,517 --> 00:40:40,027
AND SO THAT WAS A HUGE
TURNING POINT FOR US,
569
00:40:40,034 --> 00:40:43,384
AND THAT HELPED US
FIND A LOT MORE CASES.
570
00:40:43,379 --> 00:40:44,899
Narrator:
THE TEAM IS MAKING PROGRESS,
571
00:40:44,896 --> 00:40:47,166
BUT LITTLE IS STILL IN L.A.,
572
00:40:47,172 --> 00:40:50,282
WITH SO MANY SECRETS
YET TO BE REVEALED.
573
00:40:50,275 --> 00:40:53,095
WE WERE ALL ON PINS AND NEEDLES,
574
00:40:53,103 --> 00:40:56,793
WORRIED THAT SOME HEALTH SCARE
WOULD CROP UP.
575
00:40:56,793 --> 00:40:58,863
AND THERE WERE TIMES WE THOUGHT,
"OH, NO," YOU KNOW,
576
00:40:58,862 --> 00:41:00,592
"HE'S NOT DOING WELL TODAY,"
577
00:41:00,586 --> 00:41:06,206
OR HE HAD SOME EPISODE
AND WE WERE GONNA LOSE HIM.
578
00:41:06,206 --> 00:41:10,476
Narrator: FINALLY,
ON SEPTEMBER 24th, 2018,
579
00:41:10,482 --> 00:41:13,172
SAMUEL LITTLE IS EXTRADITED
TEMPORARILY
580
00:41:13,172 --> 00:41:16,212
FROM L.A. COUNTY TO TEXAS.
581
00:41:16,206 --> 00:41:20,276
DETECTIVE JUSTIN CAID FLIES OUT
TO CALIFORNIA TO ESCORT HIM.
582
00:41:20,275 --> 00:41:24,065
Caid: I FIRST MET SAMUEL LITTLE
IN A HOLDING CELL.
583
00:41:24,068 --> 00:41:26,898
I EXPECTED TO SEE
A VIOLENT KILLER
584
00:41:26,896 --> 00:41:29,756
SHACKLED UP,
585
00:41:29,758 --> 00:41:32,548
SOMEONE THAT YOU ALWAYS
HAVE TO BE ON GUARD WITH.
586
00:41:32,551 --> 00:41:34,591
AND THEN I FIRST SAW HIM
ROLLED OUT,
587
00:41:34,586 --> 00:41:37,926
AND I SAW A FRAGILE MAN
SITTING IN HIS WHEELCHAIR.
588
00:41:37,931 --> 00:41:40,141
HE HAD A SMILE ON HIS FACE.
589
00:41:40,137 --> 00:41:43,307
I SAW HIS HANDS.
HE HAD REALLY LARGE HANDS.
590
00:41:43,310 --> 00:41:48,100
WHO KNOWS HOW MANY NECKS THAT
THOSE HANDS HAVE STRANGLED?
591
00:41:48,103 --> 00:41:50,313
Narrator: CAID ACCOMPANIES
THE SERIAL KILLER
592
00:41:50,310 --> 00:41:52,660
ABOARD THE TEXAS RANGERS JET.
593
00:41:52,655 --> 00:41:54,335
Caid:
SAMUEL LITTLE WAS RESTRAINED
594
00:41:54,344 --> 00:41:56,104
IN LEG RESTRAINTS
AND HAND RESTRAINTS.
595
00:41:56,103 --> 00:41:57,663
I SAT DIRECTLY BEHIND HIM,
596
00:41:57,655 --> 00:42:02,825
AND THEN RANGER HOLLAND SAT
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE.
597
00:42:02,827 --> 00:42:04,547
Narrator:
IT ALL SEEMS ROUTINE
598
00:42:04,551 --> 00:42:07,931
UNTIL LITTLE STARTS TALKING.
599
00:42:07,931 --> 00:42:10,591
DURING THE FLIGHT,
SAMUEL LITTLE STARTED DISCUSSING
600
00:42:10,586 --> 00:42:11,856
SOME OF THE MURDERS,
601
00:42:11,862 --> 00:42:13,312
OR REMINISCING ON
SOME OF THE MURDERS
602
00:42:13,310 --> 00:42:15,720
THAT HE WAS INVOLVED IN.
603
00:42:15,724 --> 00:42:20,034
THERE WAS NO REGARD
OR REMORSE FOR WHAT HE DID.
604
00:42:20,034 --> 00:42:24,414
IT WAS A MIX BETWEEN
REMEMBERING HIS YOUNGER DAYS
605
00:42:24,413 --> 00:42:27,623
AND AROUSAL.
606
00:42:27,620 --> 00:42:30,280
IT WAS MOST DEFINITELY CREEPY
TO BE AROUND.
607
00:42:30,275 --> 00:42:39,615
♪♪
608
00:42:39,620 --> 00:42:43,100
Narrator: JUST AFTER THE PLANE
LANDS IN TEXAS,
609
00:42:43,103 --> 00:42:46,413
LITTLE IS WHISKED
TO THE COURTHOUSE.
610
00:42:46,413 --> 00:42:49,623
HE IMMEDIATELY FACED CHARGES
IN ECTOR COUNTY,
611
00:42:49,620 --> 00:42:51,480
WHICH IS WHERE ODESSA IS,
612
00:42:51,482 --> 00:42:55,592
FOR THE DENISE BROTHERS
HOMICIDE.
613
00:42:55,586 --> 00:42:58,336
Caid: AT THE COURTHOUSE,
SAM WAS QUIET.
614
00:42:58,344 --> 00:43:00,554
YOU JUST SAT IN HIS WHEELCHAIR
THE WHOLE TIME,
615
00:43:00,551 --> 00:43:02,621
DISCUSSED SOME THINGS
WITH HIS ATTORNEY.
616
00:43:02,620 --> 00:43:06,830
AND IT WAS A REAL SHORT HEARING,
617
00:43:06,827 --> 00:43:11,067
Narrator: DENISE'S SON DAMIEN
HAS THE OPTION TO ATTEND,
618
00:43:11,068 --> 00:43:13,208
BUT HAS SECOND THOUGHTS.
619
00:43:13,206 --> 00:43:15,236
Christie:
I CHOSE NOT TO GO.
620
00:43:15,241 --> 00:43:17,001
I DON'T THINK I NEED
TO SEE HIM IN THE EYES
621
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,660
AND LOOK AT HIM.
622
00:43:18,655 --> 00:43:23,335
I THINK I'VE GOT ENOUGH OF WHAT
I'VE BEEN TOLD AND SEEN ON TV.
623
00:43:23,344 --> 00:43:26,624
I THINK I'VE HAD MY FILL.
624
00:43:26,620 --> 00:43:29,340
I HAVE NO ANGER TOWARDS SAMUEL.
625
00:43:29,344 --> 00:43:31,794
I'M GLAD THAT HE'S STARTING
TO CONFESS
626
00:43:31,793 --> 00:43:33,483
AND OPEN UP
TO THESE OTHER MURDERS
627
00:43:33,482 --> 00:43:36,552
THAT OTHER FAMILIES
THAT NEED CLOSURE
628
00:43:36,551 --> 00:43:40,341
OR NEED ANSWERS TO,
JUST LIKE I GOT.
629
00:43:43,551 --> 00:43:45,901
Palazzolo: DENISE BROTHERS --
SHE'S KIND OF THE ONE
630
00:43:45,896 --> 00:43:48,446
THAT BROKE THIS ALL OPEN.
631
00:43:48,448 --> 00:43:52,588
THAT WAS THE LEAD THAT
I'D IDENTIFIED BACK IN 2014,
632
00:43:52,586 --> 00:43:56,446
AND THAT'S WHAT LED TO
JIM GETTING OUT THERE
633
00:43:56,448 --> 00:43:59,278
AND ALL OF THESE CONFESSIONS.
634
00:43:59,275 --> 00:44:03,405
DENISE HOLDS A PLACE
IN MY HEART FOR THAT.
635
00:44:03,413 --> 00:44:08,903
Narrator: AFTER THE HEARING,
LITTLE IS BACK ON THE MOVE,
636
00:44:08,896 --> 00:44:13,376
SAME DAY, HE WAS FLOWN UP
TO DECATUR, TEXAS,
637
00:44:13,379 --> 00:44:15,309
AND HOUSED THERE.
638
00:44:18,413 --> 00:44:22,523
Narrator: LITTLE WILL STAY HERE
CLOSE TO HOLLAND'S OFFICE
639
00:44:22,517 --> 00:44:25,827
WHILE DENISE'S CASE
MOVES THROUGH THE COURTS.
640
00:44:25,827 --> 00:44:28,137
THAT GIVES THE TEAM TIME
TO PRESS THE KILLER
641
00:44:28,137 --> 00:44:30,137
FOR MORE INFORMATION.
642
00:44:30,137 --> 00:44:32,097
Caid: SAMMY HAD A LITTLE
VACATION OUT OF CONFESSING
643
00:44:32,103 --> 00:44:34,723
TO THE HOMICIDES
THAT HE WAS INVOLVED IN.
644
00:44:34,724 --> 00:44:38,284
HE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY
TO EAT WELL FOR A LITTLE BIT.
645
00:44:38,275 --> 00:44:40,925
HE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY
TO HAVE HIS OWN ART STUDIO
646
00:44:40,931 --> 00:44:43,031
AND PAINT THE FACES
OF HIS VICTIMS.
647
00:44:43,034 --> 00:44:45,344
HE GETS TO RELIVE THOSE FACES
648
00:44:45,344 --> 00:44:49,414
IN ADDITION TO US BEING ABLE
TO CLOSE THOSE CASES.
649
00:44:49,413 --> 00:44:52,343
Palazzolo: IF A FAMILY MEMBER
OR A LOVED ONE
650
00:44:52,344 --> 00:44:54,694
SEES THAT PORTRAIT...
651
00:44:56,758 --> 00:44:58,718
...THEY'VE BEEN ABLE
TO IDENTIFY THAT, YEAH,
652
00:44:58,724 --> 00:45:01,034
THAT THAT'S EXACTLY
HOW SHE WORE HER HAIR,
653
00:45:01,034 --> 00:45:04,104
OR THAT'S EXACTLY
HOW I REMEMBER HER SMILE.
654
00:45:06,206 --> 00:45:08,826
Christie: I DID SEE THE PORTRAIT
HE DREW OF MY MOM.
655
00:45:08,827 --> 00:45:10,587
HE CAN REMEMBER
ALL THOSE THINGS.
656
00:45:10,586 --> 00:45:15,066
IT'S KIND OF BURNT AN IMAGE IN
HIS MIND OF WHEN HE KILLS THEM.
657
00:45:15,068 --> 00:45:16,858
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S
A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING,
658
00:45:16,862 --> 00:45:19,722
BUT IT'S A GOOD THING THESE
PICTURES ARE MATCHING UP
659
00:45:19,724 --> 00:45:22,454
TO WOMEN THAT HE'S DONE KILLED.
660
00:45:25,241 --> 00:45:27,451
Narrator:
NOW THE TEAM WANTS DETAILS
661
00:45:27,448 --> 00:45:31,928
ON THE OTHER 70 MURDERS
LITTLE'S CONFESSED TO.
662
00:45:31,931 --> 00:45:34,101
Palazzolo: ANGELA AND I
WENT OUT TO TEXAS,
663
00:45:34,103 --> 00:45:36,933
AND, AGAIN, WE WERE
IN AN ADJOINING ROOM,
664
00:45:36,931 --> 00:45:41,141
AND THIS TIME WE HAD
A VIDEO FEED AND AN AUDIO FEED.
665
00:45:41,137 --> 00:45:45,207
JIM WENT IN AND MET WITH LITTLE,
TALKING TO HIM ABOUT CASES,
666
00:45:45,206 --> 00:45:47,756
SOMETIMES NOT TALKING TO HIM
ABOUT ANYTHING AT ALL,
667
00:45:47,758 --> 00:45:50,658
JUST KEEPING
THAT RELATIONSHIP GOING,
668
00:45:50,655 --> 00:45:53,855
KEEPING THOSE LINES
OF COMMUNICATION OPEN,
669
00:45:53,862 --> 00:45:57,382
KEEPING LITTLE HAPPY ENOUGH
TO TALK.
670
00:45:57,379 --> 00:45:59,309
AND THEN WE HAVE
OTHER AGENCIES GOING IN
671
00:45:59,310 --> 00:46:01,140
WHERE WE KNOW THEY HAVE MATCHES,
672
00:46:01,137 --> 00:46:03,067
JUST GETTING LITTLE TO VERIFY IT
673
00:46:03,068 --> 00:46:05,168
SO THEY CAN CLOSE
THEIR CASES OUT.
674
00:46:05,172 --> 00:46:12,832
♪♪
675
00:46:12,827 --> 00:46:16,717
Narrator:
IN OCTOBER 2013, RICK BELL,
676
00:46:16,724 --> 00:46:20,104
ASSISTANT PROSECUTOR
FOR CUYAHOGA COUNTY, OHIO,
677
00:46:20,103 --> 00:46:22,343
GETS AN URGENT MESSAGE.
678
00:46:22,344 --> 00:46:24,904
THE FIRST TIME THAT I HAD
EVER EVEN HEARD OF THE NAME
679
00:46:24,896 --> 00:46:27,826
SAMUEL LITTLE
WAS FROM ANGELA WILLIAMSON.
680
00:46:27,827 --> 00:46:30,657
SHE SENT ME AN E-MAIL
REFERENCING CASES
681
00:46:30,655 --> 00:46:34,065
THAT SHE SUSPECTED
LITTLE HAD COMMITTED
682
00:46:34,068 --> 00:46:36,238
IN THE STATE OF OHIO.
683
00:46:36,241 --> 00:46:38,661
THERE WERE THREE CLEVELAND CASES
684
00:46:38,655 --> 00:46:42,965
THAT LITTLE HAD SAID
THAT HE HAD COMMITTED A MURDER.
685
00:46:42,965 --> 00:46:46,205
Narrator: IN TWO OF THE CASES,
WILLIAMSON AND PALAZZOLO
686
00:46:46,206 --> 00:46:48,656
HAVE ALREADY IDENTIFIED
POTENTIAL MATCHES
687
00:46:48,655 --> 00:46:50,785
IN THE ViCAP DATABASE.
688
00:46:50,793 --> 00:46:53,453
NOW IT WILL BE UP TO
THE CLEVELAND AUTHORITIES
689
00:46:53,448 --> 00:46:55,548
TO SEAL THE DEAL.
690
00:46:55,551 --> 00:46:57,931
Bell:
LITTLE HAD SOME DETAILS
691
00:46:57,931 --> 00:47:01,341
IN THAT INITIAL STATEMENT
THAT HE'D MADE,
692
00:47:01,344 --> 00:47:04,724
ENOUGH THAT WE HOPEFULLY
WOULD BE ABLE TO GO BACK
693
00:47:04,724 --> 00:47:08,974
AND FIND THOSE CASES
AND TRY TO VERIFY WHETHER OR NOT
694
00:47:08,965 --> 00:47:11,405
WHAT HE WAS TELLING US
WAS THE TRUTH.
695
00:47:11,413 --> 00:47:20,453
♪♪
696
00:47:22,137 --> 00:47:27,547
♪♪
697
00:47:45,827 --> 00:47:51,717
♪♪
698
00:47:51,724 --> 00:47:57,664
♪♪
699
00:47:57,655 --> 00:47:59,825
Narrator: PROSECUTOR RICK BELL
HAS BEEN ALERTED
700
00:47:59,827 --> 00:48:02,587
TO THREE MURDERS
IN THE CLEVELAND AREA
701
00:48:02,586 --> 00:48:05,236
THAT SAMUEL LITTLE CONFESSED TO.
702
00:48:05,241 --> 00:48:07,451
ONCE WE FIND ONE
THAT'S PROMISING,
703
00:48:07,448 --> 00:48:09,138
WE SEND IT TO THE AGENCY
AND SAY,
704
00:48:09,137 --> 00:48:13,787
"ALL RIGHT, LOOK AT THIS CASE.
PULL THIS FILE."
705
00:48:13,793 --> 00:48:15,863
AT THE END OF THE DAY,
WE PUSH THE INFORMATION
706
00:48:15,862 --> 00:48:19,072
BACK TO THE AGENCIES
TO MAKE THE ARREST,
707
00:48:19,068 --> 00:48:22,688
TO RESOLVE THE CASE,
TO CONTACT THE FAMILIES.
708
00:48:22,689 --> 00:48:24,409
Narrator:
LITTLE HAS LEFT SOME CLUES
709
00:48:24,413 --> 00:48:26,413
FOR THE CLEVELAND INVESTIGATORS.
710
00:48:26,413 --> 00:48:33,003
♪♪
711
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:38,280
THE FIRST LEADS TO A HOMICIDE
FROM THE EARLY 1980s.
712
00:48:38,275 --> 00:48:41,205
ON JULY 3rd, 1984,
713
00:48:41,206 --> 00:48:43,406
DECOMPOSED REMAINS
ARE DISCOVERED
714
00:48:43,413 --> 00:48:46,413
IN AN INDUSTRIAL PART OF TOWN.
715
00:48:46,413 --> 00:48:49,763
Bell: WORKERS HAD SEEN
SOME BODY FLUIDS
716
00:48:49,758 --> 00:48:53,788
COMING UNDERNEATH THE DOOR WELL
717
00:48:53,793 --> 00:48:59,103
INTO THE BASEMENT
OF THE MANUFACTURING PLANT.
718
00:48:59,103 --> 00:49:01,213
AND THEY LOOKED INTO
THE STAIRWELL ITSELF
719
00:49:01,206 --> 00:49:04,756
AND FOUND THE BODY.
720
00:49:04,758 --> 00:49:06,788
THE BODY WASN'T DISCOVERED
721
00:49:06,793 --> 00:49:10,283
POSSIBLY FOR A MONTH
OR TWO MONTHS
722
00:49:10,275 --> 00:49:12,405
AFTER SHE HAD BEEN KILLED.
723
00:49:12,413 --> 00:49:16,033
VICTIM IS MARY JO PEYTON.
724
00:49:16,034 --> 00:49:19,074
MARY JO HAD GOTTEN
IN SOME TROUBLE.
725
00:49:19,068 --> 00:49:21,828
HER FINGERPRINT HAD BEEN TAKEN,
SO ULTIMATELY,
726
00:49:21,827 --> 00:49:24,687
SHE WAS IDENTIFIED
THROUGH A FINGERPRINT.
727
00:49:27,517 --> 00:49:31,547
Narrator:
LITTLE SAYS HE MET HER AT A BAR.
728
00:49:31,551 --> 00:49:33,411
Bell:
SHE WAS ALONE AT THE BAR.
729
00:49:33,413 --> 00:49:36,003
LITTLE TOOK HER IN HIS CAR
730
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:40,140
WITH THE PROMISE
OF GETTING MORE ALCOHOL,
731
00:49:40,137 --> 00:49:43,757
AND SHE WENT WITH HIM
IN ORDER TO DRINK WITH THIS MAN
732
00:49:43,758 --> 00:49:48,068
THAT WAS PAYING
SOME ATTENTION TO HER.
733
00:49:48,068 --> 00:49:49,478
Narrator:
YET ANOTHER VICTIM
734
00:49:49,482 --> 00:49:52,482
LULLED INTO A FALSE SENSE
OF SECURITY.
735
00:49:52,482 --> 00:49:59,662
♪♪
736
00:50:14,689 --> 00:50:18,519
Bell: OUR SECOND VICTIM
WAS A WHITE FEMALE
737
00:50:18,517 --> 00:50:21,517
THAT LITTLE SAYS THAT
HE HAD KILLED
738
00:50:21,517 --> 00:50:25,717
POSSIBLY IN 1991.
739
00:50:25,724 --> 00:50:28,384
WE WERE ABLE TO LOCATE A FILE
740
00:50:28,379 --> 00:50:32,899
THAT FIT THE DESCRIPTION
OF THE VICTIM PERFECTLY --
741
00:50:32,896 --> 00:50:36,716
DARK HAIR, SKINNY,
WEARING JEANS.
742
00:50:40,482 --> 00:50:42,072
Narrator:
LITTLE VIVIDLY REMEMBERS
743
00:50:42,068 --> 00:50:46,788
LEAVING HER IN A FIELD
AND COVERING HER WITH TIRES.
744
00:50:49,379 --> 00:50:53,759
Bell: HER BODY HAD BEEN FOUND
ALMOST IMMEDIATELY.
745
00:50:53,758 --> 00:50:57,548
SO IN THIS SITUATION, THE POLICE
WERE ABLE TO DETERMINE
746
00:50:57,551 --> 00:51:01,031
THAT SHE, IN FACT,
WAS MANUALLY STRANGLED.
747
00:51:02,793 --> 00:51:06,793
Narrator:
HER NAME IS ROSE EVANS.
748
00:51:06,793 --> 00:51:09,663
Bell: SHE CAME FROM
BINGHAMTON, NEW YORK,
749
00:51:09,655 --> 00:51:12,615
WITH THE IDEA THAT SHE WAS GOING
TO BE WORKING IN CLEVELAND.
750
00:51:12,620 --> 00:51:18,450
UNFORTUNATELY, SHE DID BECOME
ADDICTED TO COCAINE.
751
00:51:21,103 --> 00:51:25,383
Narrator: AND THERE'S NOTHING
HER FAMILY CAN DO TO HELP.
752
00:51:25,379 --> 00:51:28,759
Smith: ROSE WAS
FIVE YEARS OLDER THAN ME.
753
00:51:28,758 --> 00:51:32,168
SHE ALWAYS LIKED TO JOKE AROUND,
MAKE PEOPLE LAUGH, YOU KNOW?
754
00:51:32,172 --> 00:51:34,482
SHE'D GIVE HER SHIRT
OFF HER BACK.
755
00:51:34,482 --> 00:51:36,482
SHE JUST DID HER OWN THING.
756
00:51:36,482 --> 00:51:40,342
SHE WAS GETTING HIGH EVERY DAY,
YOU KNOW, WALKING THE STREETS.
757
00:51:40,344 --> 00:51:43,554
AND I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW,
"GOT TO BE CAREFUL
758
00:51:43,551 --> 00:51:45,071
BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW
WHO'S OUT THERE
759
00:51:45,068 --> 00:51:47,208
GONNA DO SOMETHING TO YOU."
760
00:51:47,206 --> 00:51:51,546
SHE ALWAYS SAYS, "I GOT IT,
I GOT IT, I GOT IT."
761
00:51:51,551 --> 00:51:56,761
Narrator: IN 1991, THE FAMILY'S
WORST FEARS COME TRUE.
762
00:51:56,758 --> 00:51:59,928
I WAS HOME WITH MY MOTHER
AND MY TWO CHILDREN.
763
00:51:59,931 --> 00:52:04,281
THEY KNOCKED ON THE DOOR,
AND THEY SAID, "IT'S ROSE."
764
00:52:08,689 --> 00:52:10,589
Narrator:
RICK BELL WANTS JUSTICE
765
00:52:10,586 --> 00:52:13,166
FOR ROSE EVANS
AND MARY JO PEYTON...
766
00:52:15,482 --> 00:52:19,032
...AND FOR A THIRD OHIO WOMAN.
767
00:52:19,034 --> 00:52:22,694
Bell:
BETWEEN 1977 AND 1979,
768
00:52:22,689 --> 00:52:25,409
HE HAD PICKED UP A BLACK FEMALE
769
00:52:25,413 --> 00:52:28,593
WHO WAS SKINNY
AND 20 YEARS OF AGE.
770
00:52:28,586 --> 00:52:31,516
AND HE SAID THAT
SHE HAD A DRESS ON
771
00:52:31,517 --> 00:52:35,897
AND HE HAD DISPOSED OF HER
AFTER HE KILLED HER
772
00:52:35,896 --> 00:52:37,826
ON A HIGHWAY
773
00:52:37,827 --> 00:52:41,687
BETWEEN CLEVELAND
AND THE CITY OF AKRON.
774
00:52:41,689 --> 00:52:43,789
LITTLE HAD GIVEN
ENOUGH INFORMATION
775
00:52:43,793 --> 00:52:45,903
THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE
TO FIND THE FILE
776
00:52:45,896 --> 00:52:51,276
IF THERE WAS, IN FACT, A BODY
THAT HAD EVER BEEN RECOVERED.
777
00:52:51,275 --> 00:52:52,445
SO WE'RE LOOKING.
778
00:52:52,448 --> 00:52:55,688
WE'RE STILL TRYING TO
IDENTIFY THIS PERSON
779
00:52:55,689 --> 00:52:59,409
AND IDENTIFY THIS CASE.
780
00:52:59,413 --> 00:53:03,693
Narrator:
JUST ONE MORE JANE DOE AMONG
SO MANY OF LITTLE'S VICTIMS.
781
00:53:03,689 --> 00:53:10,929
♪♪
782
00:53:10,931 --> 00:53:18,171
♪♪
783
00:53:18,172 --> 00:53:20,552
IT'S FALL OF 2018
784
00:53:20,551 --> 00:53:23,521
WHEN PASCAGOULA P.D.
LIEUTENANT DARREN VERSIGA
785
00:53:23,517 --> 00:53:27,377
REJOINS
THE LITTLE INVESTIGATION.
786
00:53:27,379 --> 00:53:30,689
Versiga: THE RANGERS TELLING ME
THAT SAM IS CONFESSING
787
00:53:30,689 --> 00:53:35,619
TO THE TWO CASES AND WANTS --
788
00:53:35,620 --> 00:53:37,140
OBVIOUSLY, MELINDA LaPREE,
789
00:53:37,137 --> 00:53:39,787
THERE'S NO DOUBTING
THE INFORMATION THERE.
790
00:53:39,793 --> 00:53:45,553
Narrator: THE SECOND IS
A JANE DOE KILLED IN 1977.
791
00:53:45,551 --> 00:53:47,101
Versiga: OUR FIRST ARREST
792
00:53:47,103 --> 00:53:50,903
ON SAM LITTLE WAS 8/11 OF 1977.
793
00:53:50,896 --> 00:53:54,026
SO 8/11/1977, HE'S HERE,
794
00:53:54,034 --> 00:53:57,864
AND I'VE GOT REMAINS FOUND.
12/27 OF '77,
795
00:53:57,862 --> 00:53:59,622
SKELETAL REMAINS FOUND.
796
00:53:59,620 --> 00:54:02,790
SO I'M THINKING
HE WAS HERE 8/11 OF '77,
797
00:54:02,793 --> 00:54:05,723
HE KILLED THEN.
798
00:54:05,724 --> 00:54:09,904
Narrator: VERSIGA TRAVELS
TO TEXAS TO QUESTION LITTLE.
799
00:54:09,896 --> 00:54:13,096
BUT HOLLAND HAS CONCERNS
BECAUSE THE SUSPECT
800
00:54:13,103 --> 00:54:15,903
AND DETECTIVE
HAVE ALREADY CROSSED PATHS
801
00:54:15,896 --> 00:54:20,026
AT LITTLE'S 2014 TRIAL
IN LOS ANGELES.
802
00:54:20,034 --> 00:54:23,144
IF HE RECOGNIZES FROM CALIFORNIA
TESTIFYING AGAINST HIM,
803
00:54:23,137 --> 00:54:24,407
HE MAY SHUT DOWN.
804
00:54:24,413 --> 00:54:25,453
AND SO THEY WERE WORRIED
ABOUT THAT,
805
00:54:25,448 --> 00:54:27,998
OBVIOUSLY WORRIED ABOUT THAT.
806
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,340
Narrator: HOLLAND SUGGESTS
ALL THE OTHER DETECTIVES
807
00:54:30,344 --> 00:54:35,004
IN LINE THAT DAY
QUESTION LITTLE FIRST.
808
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:39,450
HE WANTS ME TO BE THE VERY LAST
PERSON TO INTERVIEW SAM.
809
00:54:39,448 --> 00:54:41,618
SO I GET TO WATCH
ALL THE INTERVIEWS,
810
00:54:41,620 --> 00:54:44,310
AND THAT'S JUST
RIGHT UP MY ALLEY.
811
00:54:44,310 --> 00:54:47,240
LISTENING TO HIS EVERY WORD
AND EVERY STORY
812
00:54:47,241 --> 00:54:49,931
IS PROBABLY
THE MOST VALUABLE INFORMATION
813
00:54:49,931 --> 00:54:51,931
I'VE EVER OBTAINED
AS A DETECTIVE,
814
00:54:51,931 --> 00:54:54,721
AS AN INVESTIGATOR,
EVER IN MY CAREER,
815
00:54:54,724 --> 00:54:57,974
BECAUSE THAT'S A TRUE KILLER.
816
00:54:57,965 --> 00:55:02,335
AND I CAN SEE HOW HE'S BEEN
GETTING AWAY WITH THIS FOREVER.
817
00:55:02,344 --> 00:55:05,284
Narrator: IT'S A DISTURBING
WINDOW INTO THE KILLER'S PAST.
818
00:55:11,724 --> 00:55:13,104
YEAH?
819
00:55:15,620 --> 00:55:20,410
♪♪
820
00:55:22,103 --> 00:55:30,173
♪♪
821
00:55:48,137 --> 00:55:58,097
♪♪
822
00:55:58,103 --> 00:56:00,663
Narrator:
IN THE FALL OF 2018,
823
00:56:00,655 --> 00:56:03,755
CHRISTIE PALAZZOLO
AND ANGELA WILLIAMSON
824
00:56:03,758 --> 00:56:05,618
HAVE ASSEMBLED
MANY OF THE INVESTIGATORS
825
00:56:05,620 --> 00:56:10,790
EAGER TO FOLLOW UP ON
SAMUEL LITTLE'S UNSOLVED CRIMES.
826
00:56:10,793 --> 00:56:13,793
A LOT OF COORDINATION
AND OUTREACH,
827
00:56:13,793 --> 00:56:15,763
BRINGING IN OTHER AGENCIES
828
00:56:15,758 --> 00:56:17,588
SO THAT THEY COULD TALK
TO LITTLE
829
00:56:17,586 --> 00:56:19,786
SO THAT THEY COULD ASK HIM
THEIR QUESTIONS
830
00:56:19,793 --> 00:56:24,073
AND GET ADDITIONAL DETAILS
ABOUT THE CASES.
831
00:56:24,068 --> 00:56:27,138
Allen: WHEN A SERIAL KILLER
STARTS TALKING,
832
00:56:27,137 --> 00:56:29,307
THE DETECTIVES START LINING UP.
833
00:56:29,310 --> 00:56:31,030
THERE COULD BE
12 DETECTIVES THERE,
834
00:56:31,034 --> 00:56:35,594
8 DETECTIVES THERE A DAY
TO INTERVIEW HIM.
835
00:56:37,413 --> 00:56:41,143
Narrator:
LIEUTENANT DARREN VERSIGA
AND DETECTIVE KEVIN ALLEN
836
00:56:41,137 --> 00:56:43,717
ARE AMONG THOSE
WAITING THEIR TURN.
837
00:56:43,724 --> 00:56:46,904
RANGER HOLLAND TOLD US,
DO NOT ACCUSE HIM OF CRIMES
838
00:56:46,896 --> 00:56:49,966
THAT HE HAD NOT ALREADY
MADE ADMISSIONS TO,
839
00:56:49,965 --> 00:56:52,235
THAT IT WAS NOT
A FISHING EXPEDITION
840
00:56:52,241 --> 00:56:54,621
TO TRY TO CLEAR
EVERY UNSOLVED HOMICIDE
841
00:56:54,620 --> 00:56:57,340
THAT ALL OF
OUR JURISDICTIONS HAD.
842
00:56:57,344 --> 00:56:59,384
IT WAS GREAT DIRECTION.
843
00:56:59,379 --> 00:57:03,169
Palazzolo: JIM WOULD TELL THEM,
"JUST GO IN, SPECIFY A LOCATION
844
00:57:03,172 --> 00:57:05,312
SO HE KNOWS WHICH CASE
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT,
845
00:57:05,310 --> 00:57:07,170
AND JUST LET HIM TELL HIS STORY.
846
00:57:07,172 --> 00:57:08,832
DON'T INTERRUPT.
847
00:57:08,827 --> 00:57:10,787
SAVE YOUR QUESTIONS
TILL THE END.
848
00:57:10,793 --> 00:57:12,593
JUST LET HIM GO."
849
00:57:12,586 --> 00:57:14,656
HE HAS THESE
SELF-CONTAINED STORIES,
850
00:57:14,655 --> 00:57:16,965
AND HE HAS A WAY
OF TELLING THEM,
851
00:57:16,965 --> 00:57:21,925
AND IF YOU INTERRUPT HIM,
IT JARS HIM.
852
00:57:21,931 --> 00:57:26,381
Narrator:
ALSO, LITTLE HAS CONDITIONS.
853
00:57:26,379 --> 00:57:30,449
HE WOULD NOT TALK TO ME
UNTIL WE SHOWED HIM A FORM
854
00:57:30,448 --> 00:57:32,378
WHERE OUR DISTRICT ATTORNEY
WAS GONNA
855
00:57:32,379 --> 00:57:35,899
BYPASS THE DEATH PENALTY.
856
00:57:35,896 --> 00:57:38,376
RANGER HOLLAND SUGGESTED
WE HAVE THAT WAIVER WITH US,
857
00:57:38,379 --> 00:57:41,339
THAT WE SHOW IT
TO MR. LITTLE IMMEDIATELY
858
00:57:41,344 --> 00:57:45,074
AND THEN GET
THAT OUT OF THE WAY.
859
00:57:45,068 --> 00:57:48,168
Narrator:
AND THERE ARE OTHER WARNINGS.
860
00:57:48,172 --> 00:57:54,342
WE WERE TOLD THAT SOMETIMES
AS HE IS RETELLING THE STORIES
861
00:57:54,344 --> 00:58:00,074
HE IS GETTING AROUSED AGAIN,
EVEN AT 78 YEARS OLD.
862
00:58:00,068 --> 00:58:02,928
Johnston: ONCE HE BEGAN TALKING
ABOUT ALL THESE MURDERS,
863
00:58:02,931 --> 00:58:04,901
IT WAS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY
FOR HIM
864
00:58:04,896 --> 00:58:08,276
TO PROLONG
HIS SEXUAL SATISFACTION.
865
00:58:08,275 --> 00:58:10,445
I ABSOLUTELY THINK
THAT IT BECAME
866
00:58:10,448 --> 00:58:14,478
AN INCREDIBLY ENJOYABLE PROCESS
FOR HIM.
867
00:58:14,482 --> 00:58:17,172
Narrator: VERSIGA JUST HOPES
LITTLE WON'T RECOGNIZE HIM
868
00:58:17,172 --> 00:58:18,862
FROM THE L.A. TRIAL.
869
00:58:22,344 --> 00:58:23,764
Versiga:
HE CAME IN IN A WHEELCHAIR,
870
00:58:23,758 --> 00:58:26,658
BUT THEN HE GOT UP
AND HOBBLED OVER TO HIS CHAIR.
871
00:58:26,655 --> 00:58:27,925
HE'S A WEAK MAN NOW.
872
00:58:27,931 --> 00:58:30,381
HE'S NOT THE POWERHOUSE HE WAS
873
00:58:30,379 --> 00:58:33,139
WHEN HE WAS KILLING PEOPLE,
FOR SURE.
874
00:58:33,137 --> 00:58:35,927
IMMEDIATELY, RIGHT OFF THE BAT,
HE RECOGNIZES ME.
875
00:58:35,931 --> 00:58:39,721
HE SAID, "MAN, I KNOW YOU."
876
00:58:39,724 --> 00:58:41,484
THE RANGER JUST CAME UP AND
SAID, "NAH, THAT'S SOME OTHER
877
00:58:41,482 --> 00:58:44,662
FAT-ASS THAT CAME IN HERE,"
'CAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'M HEAVY.
878
00:58:44,655 --> 00:58:47,405
AND SAM LAUGHED, I LAUGHED,
THE RANGER LAUGHED,
879
00:58:47,413 --> 00:58:49,383
AND THAT GOT US IN.
880
00:58:49,379 --> 00:58:51,479
Narrator: VERSIGA STEERS
THE CONVERSATION
881
00:58:51,482 --> 00:58:54,692
TO THE 1982 MURDER
OF MELINDA LaPREE.
882
00:58:54,689 --> 00:59:02,829
♪♪
883
00:59:02,827 --> 00:59:05,717
Versiga: THE REASON WHY
THAT HE WASN'T CHARGED
884
00:59:05,724 --> 00:59:08,384
IS BECAUSE THERE WAS
A PROSTITUTE
885
00:59:08,379 --> 00:59:10,789
THAT ACTUALLY SAW MELINDA
COME BACK
886
00:59:10,793 --> 00:59:14,693
AND SAW SAM DROP MELINDA OFF.
887
00:59:14,689 --> 00:59:16,969
Narrator:
36 YEARS LATER,
888
00:59:16,965 --> 00:59:21,405
LITTLE REVEALS
WHAT REALLY HAPPENED THAT NIGHT.
889
00:59:21,413 --> 00:59:25,073
Versiga: HE TOLD HER, "LET THEM
SEE THAT YOU WERE HERE,
890
00:59:25,068 --> 00:59:27,658
COME OUT THROUGH THE BACK,
AND THEN I'LL COME PICK YOU UP."
891
00:59:35,758 --> 00:59:38,718
SHE GOES OUT THE BACK DOOR,
GETS INTO THE VEHICLE,
892
00:59:38,724 --> 00:59:42,214
AND THEY DRIVE WEST
TOWARDS THE CEMETERY.
893
01:00:02,206 --> 01:00:03,656
HE SAID THEY GOT IN THE CAR,
894
01:00:03,655 --> 01:00:05,925
AND THEN THEY GO BACK OVER
TO THE CEMETERY,
895
01:00:05,931 --> 01:00:07,211
AND THEN KILLS HER,
896
01:00:07,206 --> 01:00:09,856
AND THEN HE THROWS HER
ON THOSE FLOWERS.
897
01:00:09,862 --> 01:00:11,832
AND THAT ABSOLUTELY
DID IT FOR ME
898
01:00:11,827 --> 01:00:14,517
BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE
SHE WAS FOUND.
899
01:00:14,517 --> 01:00:18,827
Narrator: FOR THE FAMILY,
THE TRUTH BRINGS RELIEF.
900
01:00:18,827 --> 01:00:20,967
Bob: THE TERRIBLE THING IS,
IS NOT KNOWING.
901
01:00:20,965 --> 01:00:22,375
SO WHEN YOU DO FIND OUT,
902
01:00:22,379 --> 01:00:25,379
EVEN THOUGH IT'S VERY UNSETTLING
AND HAUNTING,
903
01:00:25,379 --> 01:00:27,659
IT'S BETTER THAN THE HAUNTING
THAT'S BEEN GOING ON
904
01:00:27,655 --> 01:00:29,655
FOR 35-PLUS YEARS
905
01:00:29,655 --> 01:00:32,715
OF WHAT HER LAST MOMENTS
WERE LIKE.
906
01:00:32,724 --> 01:00:40,724
♪♪
907
01:00:40,724 --> 01:00:45,934
Narrator: JUST DAYS BEFORE
MELINDA LaPREE'S MURDER IN 1982,
908
01:00:45,931 --> 01:00:49,691
PATRICIA MOUNT
WAS KILLED NEARBY.
909
01:00:49,689 --> 01:00:54,619
LITTLE WAS TRIED IN THAT CASE
BUT ACQUITTED.
910
01:00:54,620 --> 01:00:57,830
NOW THAT HE'S COME CLEAN,
911
01:00:57,827 --> 01:01:01,097
DETECTIVE ALLEN HAS QUESTIONS.
912
01:01:01,103 --> 01:01:03,003
Allen: I WANTED TO HEAR WHAT
SAM LITTLE HAD TO SAY.
913
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:07,030
IF HE HAD CONFESSED TO A MURDER
THAT OCCURRED IN ALACHUA COUNTY,
914
01:01:07,034 --> 01:01:09,484
I WANTED TO CONFRONT HIM
WITH THAT,
915
01:01:09,482 --> 01:01:12,242
WHETHER THE CASE HAD GONE
TO TRIAL OR NOT.
916
01:01:12,241 --> 01:01:15,341
Narrator: RANGER HOLLAND ALWAYS
MAKES INTRODUCTIONS.
917
01:01:36,310 --> 01:01:39,410
LITTLE REMEMBERS PATRICIA WELL.
918
01:02:25,620 --> 01:02:29,340
Allen: WHEN HE SAW HER THROAT,
WHEN HE SAW HER NECK,
919
01:02:29,344 --> 01:02:31,724
HE KNEW WHAT HE WANTED,
AND HE KNEW IF HE COULD,
920
01:02:31,724 --> 01:02:34,724
HE WAS GONNA TAKE IT THAT NIGHT.
921
01:02:34,724 --> 01:02:37,724
Narrator: LITTLE DROVE PATRICIA
AROUND FOR A WHILE
922
01:02:37,724 --> 01:02:40,454
BEFORE PARKING IN A HAYFIELD.
923
01:03:16,517 --> 01:03:18,477
36 YEARS LATER,
924
01:03:18,482 --> 01:03:22,902
ALLEN FINALLY HAS
THE CONFESSION HE NEEDS.
925
01:03:22,896 --> 01:03:24,306
Allen:
HE WAS COOPERATIVE.
926
01:03:24,310 --> 01:03:28,830
I FOUND HIM EASY TO TALK TO.
927
01:03:28,827 --> 01:03:32,687
SAMUEL LITTLE IS
AN ENGAGING PERSON.
928
01:03:32,689 --> 01:03:34,859
HE CAN BE VERY CHARISMATIC.
929
01:03:34,862 --> 01:03:37,762
HE'S FUNNY.
HE'S WITTY.
930
01:03:37,758 --> 01:03:40,278
HE'S A GREAT STORYTELLER.
931
01:03:40,275 --> 01:03:42,715
Allen: YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT GO
INTO AN INTERVIEW,
932
01:03:42,724 --> 01:03:46,004
YOU KNOW, ANTICIPATING YOU'RE
SITTING ACROSS FROM A MONSTER.
933
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:50,340
AND HE DID MONSTROUS THINGS,
NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.
934
01:03:50,344 --> 01:03:52,794
BUT THE HUMAN BEING
THAT I INTERVIEWED
935
01:03:52,793 --> 01:03:56,383
WAS VERY FORTHRIGHT AND OPEN.
936
01:03:56,379 --> 01:04:00,139
YOU BEGIN TO SEE
HOW HE COULD CHARM THESE WOMEN
937
01:04:00,137 --> 01:04:02,407
INTO GOING WITH HIM.
938
01:04:02,413 --> 01:04:04,523
Williamson: ALL THESE WOMEN,
THEY WENT WITH HIM WILLINGLY
939
01:04:04,517 --> 01:04:09,207
'CAUSE HE WAS CHARMING
AND ATTRACTIVE IN HIS DAY.
940
01:04:09,206 --> 01:04:10,996
AND HE TOOK ADVANTAGE
OF THESE WOMEN
941
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,590
THAT THOUGHT HE WAS SOMEONE FUN
TO HANG OUT WITH.
942
01:04:19,275 --> 01:04:22,785
Narrator: MONTHS AFTER FIRST
HEARING FROM THE FBI TEAM,
943
01:04:22,793 --> 01:04:26,903
OHIO PROSECUTOR RICK BELL
AND A COLD-CASE INVESTIGATOR
944
01:04:26,896 --> 01:04:29,686
ARRIVE FOR THEIR TURN
WITH LITTLE.
945
01:04:29,689 --> 01:04:31,969
BEFORE THEIR INTERVIEW
WITH THE KILLER,
946
01:04:31,965 --> 01:04:34,855
THEY GET DIRECTIONS
FROM HOLLAND.
947
01:04:34,862 --> 01:04:38,972
HE TOLD US TO STAY AWAY
FROM SUGGESTING TO LITTLE
948
01:04:38,965 --> 01:04:41,615
THAT HE HAD RAPED THESE WOMEN.
949
01:04:41,620 --> 01:04:47,310
HE WANTED US TO BE CAREFUL
ABOUT IMPLODING OUR INTERVIEW.
950
01:04:47,310 --> 01:04:50,830
Narrator:
BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS
YOU JUST CAN'T PREPARE FOR.
951
01:04:58,103 --> 01:05:04,723
♪♪
952
01:05:06,241 --> 01:05:15,661
♪♪
953
01:05:36,103 --> 01:05:42,863
♪♪
954
01:05:42,862 --> 01:05:49,692
♪♪
955
01:05:49,689 --> 01:05:51,099
Narrator:
AFTER LISTENING TO DOZENS
956
01:05:51,103 --> 01:05:53,523
OF SAMUEL LITTLE'S CONFESSIONS,
957
01:05:53,517 --> 01:05:57,997
CHRISTIE PALAZZOLO AND ANGELA
WILLIAMSON RETURN TO THE FBI,
958
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,930
BUT THE INVESTIGATION
FORGES AHEAD.
959
01:06:00,931 --> 01:06:03,691
I WOULD GO HOME AT NIGHT,
ON THE WEEKENDS,
960
01:06:03,689 --> 01:06:05,829
LOOKING AT NEWSPAPER ARTICLES,
961
01:06:05,827 --> 01:06:07,927
TRYING TO FIND THINGS
THAT MATCHED UP,
962
01:06:07,931 --> 01:06:10,311
SO ALWAYS SEARCHING.
963
01:06:10,310 --> 01:06:16,620
♪♪
964
01:06:16,620 --> 01:06:19,380
Narrator: OHIO PROSECUTOR
RICK BELL TAKES HIS TURN
965
01:06:19,379 --> 01:06:21,339
IN THE INTERVIEW ROOM
966
01:06:21,344 --> 01:06:23,974
AND QUESTIONS LITTLE
ABOUT THREE COLD CASES
967
01:06:23,965 --> 01:06:26,375
FROM THE CLEVELAND AREA.
968
01:06:26,379 --> 01:06:28,239
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING
969
01:06:28,241 --> 01:06:30,901
WHEN YOU'RE INTERROGATING
SOMEBODY LIKE LITTLE
970
01:06:30,896 --> 01:06:34,546
IS JUST TO BE NON-JUDGMENTAL.
971
01:06:34,551 --> 01:06:37,241
WELL, I WASN'T
IN MY SUIT AND TIE.
972
01:06:37,241 --> 01:06:41,031
WE DIDN'T WANT HIM
SEEING ME AS A LAWYER.
973
01:06:41,034 --> 01:06:44,904
I STARTED TALKING ABOUT
THE BROWNS, THE NEW QUARTERBACK.
974
01:06:44,896 --> 01:06:48,616
WE TALKED ABOUT LORAIN
AND GROWING UP IN CLEVELAND,
975
01:06:48,620 --> 01:06:51,620
YOU DEFINITELY NOTICED
HIS HANDS.
976
01:06:51,620 --> 01:06:53,760
HE HAS VERY LARGE HANDS.
977
01:06:53,758 --> 01:06:58,548
♪♪
978
01:06:58,551 --> 01:07:00,661
Narrator:
BELL AND HIS INVESTIGATORS START
979
01:07:00,655 --> 01:07:04,305
WITH THE 1984 KILLING
OF MARY JO PEYTON.
980
01:07:26,103 --> 01:07:30,213
Bell: WE COULD ACTUALLY MAKE
SURE THAT HE WAS DESCRIBING
981
01:07:30,206 --> 01:07:32,856
THE WAY THAT
THE BUILDING LOOKED,
982
01:07:32,862 --> 01:07:35,552
WHERE HIS CAR
WOULD HAVE BEEN PARKED,
983
01:07:35,551 --> 01:07:36,861
WHAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING
984
01:07:36,862 --> 01:07:39,242
HE WOULD HAVE EVENTUALLY
HAVE DUMPED HER ON.
985
01:07:58,862 --> 01:08:01,762
WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT
IS WHETHER OR NOT
986
01:08:01,758 --> 01:08:06,308
HE COULD DESCRIBE THE WAY
THAT HER BODY WAS LAYING
987
01:08:06,310 --> 01:08:09,100
AT THE BOTTOM OF THE STAIRWELL.
988
01:08:30,620 --> 01:08:35,480
Narrator: LITTLE CONFIRMS
MARY JO'S RESTING PLACE,
989
01:08:35,482 --> 01:08:39,662
SOMETHING ONLY
THE KILLER WOULD KNOW.
990
01:08:39,655 --> 01:08:43,375
NEXT, THEY TURN
TO THE ROSE EVANS CASE.
991
01:09:25,068 --> 01:09:27,408
Bell:
LITTLE REMEMBERS THESE YEARS
992
01:09:27,413 --> 01:09:29,973
BY THE CARS
THAT HE'S DRIVING.
993
01:09:29,965 --> 01:09:33,275
HE'S INFATUATED WITH CARS.
994
01:09:34,965 --> 01:09:39,405
THEY WERE IN THIS VAN,
AND HE WAS IN THE BACK
995
01:09:39,413 --> 01:09:42,693
TRYING TO GET HER TO COME
FROM THE FRONT PASSENGER SEAT
996
01:09:42,689 --> 01:09:44,689
TO THE BACK WITH HIM.
997
01:09:44,689 --> 01:09:47,519
AND SHE WAS SAYING
THAT SHE WAS NOT GOING TO
998
01:09:47,517 --> 01:09:48,787
GET IN THE BACK WITH HIM
999
01:09:48,793 --> 01:09:52,623
BECAUSE SHE KNEW
THAT HE WOULD KILL HER.
1000
01:09:52,620 --> 01:09:54,970
AND TO US, HE LAUGHED...
1001
01:09:54,965 --> 01:09:56,375
[ CHUCKLES ]
1002
01:09:56,379 --> 01:09:58,829
...AS, "LITTLE DID SHE KNOW
1003
01:09:58,827 --> 01:10:01,337
THAT I WAS GOING TO DO
JUST THAT."
1004
01:10:03,034 --> 01:10:07,694
AND HE DID EVENTUALLY GET HER
TO COME IN THE BACK,
1005
01:10:07,689 --> 01:10:09,479
AND HE STRANGLED HER TO DEATH.
1006
01:10:09,482 --> 01:10:16,522
♪♪
1007
01:10:16,517 --> 01:10:18,617
Narrator: THE LAST VICTIM
BELL ASKS ABOUT
1008
01:10:18,620 --> 01:10:21,070
IS A JANE DOE.
1009
01:10:21,068 --> 01:10:25,208
LITTLE CONFIRMS HE KILLED
A THIRD WOMAN IN THE AREA,
1010
01:10:25,206 --> 01:10:27,236
BUT CAN'T HELP IDENTIFY HER.
1011
01:10:59,103 --> 01:11:02,243
BELL AND HIS INVESTIGATOR
KEEP LITTLE TALKING
1012
01:11:02,241 --> 01:11:05,211
IN HOPES OF UNEARTHING
NEW CLUES IN THE CASE.
1013
01:11:32,172 --> 01:11:35,172
SUDDENLY,
THE DISTURBING INTERVIEW
1014
01:11:35,172 --> 01:11:38,102
TAKES AN EVEN DARKER TURN.
1015
01:11:38,103 --> 01:11:40,623
HE STARTED TALKING ABOUT
PUTTING HIS HANDS
1016
01:11:40,620 --> 01:11:44,000
ON THE THROATS OF WOMEN.
1017
01:12:12,862 --> 01:12:16,142
AND AS HE WAS DESCRIBING THAT,
1018
01:12:16,137 --> 01:12:19,897
HE ALSO HAD STARTED
MOVING HIS HANDS
1019
01:12:19,896 --> 01:12:22,336
UNDERNEATH THE TABLE,
1020
01:12:22,344 --> 01:12:25,034
PLEASING HIMSELF.
1021
01:12:25,034 --> 01:12:28,694
I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THIS,
BUT I KNOW MY INVESTIGATOR DID.
1022
01:12:28,689 --> 01:12:34,759
HE CONTINUES TO BE
SEXUALLY STIMULATED BY VIOLENCE
1023
01:12:34,758 --> 01:12:38,098
AND BY RELIVING THESE THINGS
OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
1024
01:12:38,103 --> 01:12:41,593
WE CAN ABSOLUTELY ASSUME
THAT WHEN HE FANTASIZES
1025
01:12:41,586 --> 01:12:44,166
ABOUT SEX,
WHEN HE FANTASIZES ABOUT WOMEN,
1026
01:12:44,172 --> 01:12:48,172
HE IS STILL FANTASIZING
ABOUT HIS VICTIMS.
1027
01:12:50,413 --> 01:12:54,073
Narrator: LUCKILY,
BELL HAS EVERYTHING HE NEEDS.
1028
01:12:54,068 --> 01:12:57,068
Bell: WE HAD ENOUGH EVIDENCE
AT THAT TIME TO CHARGE HIM
1029
01:12:57,068 --> 01:12:58,378
AND TO FEEL COMFORTABLE
1030
01:12:58,379 --> 01:13:01,449
THAT THE PROSECUTION
WAS GOING TO BE STRONG.
1031
01:13:01,448 --> 01:13:05,618
WE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE'D NEVER
SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS,
1032
01:13:05,620 --> 01:13:09,000
SOMEBODY THIS CALLOUS,
1033
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:10,900
ALSO COOPERATIVE,
1034
01:13:10,896 --> 01:13:13,586
TO TELL YOU EVERYTHING
THAT HE HAD DONE.
1035
01:13:13,586 --> 01:13:18,476
YOU CAME TO THE REALIZATION
OF JUST HOW UGLY THIS ALL IS.
1036
01:13:18,482 --> 01:13:21,552
AND IT'S VERY HARD,
VERY DIFFICULT,
1037
01:13:21,551 --> 01:13:25,411
TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF MEANING
WITH ALL OF THIS.
1038
01:13:25,413 --> 01:13:31,343
♪♪
1039
01:13:31,344 --> 01:13:33,624
Narrator: NONETHELESS,
ON A VIDEO FEED
1040
01:13:33,620 --> 01:13:36,210
LINKED TO A COURT IN OHIO,
1041
01:13:36,206 --> 01:13:38,476
LITTLE DOES FACE JUSTICE
FOR MURDERING
1042
01:13:38,482 --> 01:13:42,312
MARY JO PEYTON AND ROSE EVANS.
1043
01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:44,690
THE DEFENDANT WILL BE AGREEING
TO PLEAD GUILTY
1044
01:13:44,689 --> 01:13:47,549
TO COUNTS ONE AND SIX
WITH THE UNDERSTANDING
1045
01:13:47,551 --> 01:13:50,831
THAT THEY ARE TO BE SERVED
CONSECUTIVELY TO EACH OTHER.
1046
01:13:50,827 --> 01:13:53,717
Judge: SIR, HOW DO YOU PLEAD
TO COUNT ONE,
1047
01:13:53,724 --> 01:13:58,484
THE AGGRAVATED MURDER CHARGE
CAUSING THE DEATH WITH PURPOSE
1048
01:13:58,482 --> 01:14:02,832
AND PRIOR CALCULATION AND DESIGN
OF MARY JO PEYTON, SIR?
1049
01:14:02,827 --> 01:14:06,477
HOW DO YOU PLEAD?
GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY?
1050
01:14:06,482 --> 01:14:08,412
GUILTY.
1051
01:14:10,172 --> 01:14:12,692
THE EFFECT OF YOUR ACTIONS,
1052
01:14:12,689 --> 01:14:16,309
THE HEINOUS CRIMES THAT YOU
COMMITTED AGAINST THESE WOMEN
1053
01:14:16,310 --> 01:14:20,340
ALL ACROSS THE UNITED STATES,
HAVE LEFT MANY PEOPLE
1054
01:14:20,344 --> 01:14:23,454
WITH WHAT I WOULD SAY,
A HOLE IN THEIR LIVES
1055
01:14:23,448 --> 01:14:27,758
BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE
AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CLOSURE.
1056
01:14:27,758 --> 01:14:30,168
Narrator: PALAZZOLO
AND WILLIAMSON WON'T REST
1057
01:14:30,172 --> 01:14:34,932
UNTIL ALL THE VICTIMS' FAMILIES
HAVE ANSWERS.
1058
01:14:34,931 --> 01:14:37,031
THERE ALWAYS IS SOMEONE
WHO WANTS TO KNOW,
1059
01:14:37,034 --> 01:14:40,974
SOMEONE WHO'S YEARNING FOR THAT
LITTLE PIECE OF INFORMATION,
1060
01:14:40,965 --> 01:14:43,995
JUST SO THEY HAVE
SOME KIND OF RESOLUTION.
1061
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:50,790
♪♪
1062
01:14:52,448 --> 01:15:01,758
♪♪
1063
01:15:33,413 --> 01:15:41,453
♪♪
1064
01:15:41,448 --> 01:15:49,478
♪♪
1065
01:15:49,482 --> 01:15:51,762
Narrator:
IN DECEMBER 2018,
1066
01:15:51,758 --> 01:15:55,448
LIEUTENANT DARREN VERSIGA
IS BACK IN TEXAS
1067
01:15:55,448 --> 01:15:59,618
FOR ANOTHER GO
AT SAMUEL LITTLE.
1068
01:15:59,620 --> 01:16:01,550
LITTLE CONFESSED
TO KILLING A WOMAN
1069
01:16:01,551 --> 01:16:06,411
NEAR PASCAGOULA, MISSISSIPPI,
IN THE 1970s.
1070
01:16:06,413 --> 01:16:12,143
VERSIGA BELIEVES HER SKELETAL
REMAINS WERE FOUND IN 1977.
1071
01:16:12,137 --> 01:16:14,787
ONE OF THE SIGNIFICANT THINGS
ABOUT HER
1072
01:16:14,793 --> 01:16:17,313
WAS THAT SHE HAD A GOLD TOOTH
1073
01:16:17,310 --> 01:16:20,170
WITH A TRIANGLE
ON THE GOLD TOOTH
1074
01:16:20,172 --> 01:16:23,862
AND THAT HER HAIR WAS PLAITED
AND IT WAS SUGGESTIVE OF A WIG,
1075
01:16:23,862 --> 01:16:25,862
IS WHAT THE ANTHROPOLOGIST SAID.
1076
01:16:25,862 --> 01:16:29,552
THE REMAINS THEN ARE SENT UP
TO A RECONSTRUCTIONIST
1077
01:16:29,551 --> 01:16:34,001
BACK IN 1977, '78,
1078
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:37,030
AND THEY DO
A CLAY RECONSTRUCTION.
1079
01:16:37,034 --> 01:16:39,214
AND THIS PARTICULAR
FORENSIC ANTHROPOLOGIST
1080
01:16:39,206 --> 01:16:40,336
DID VERY GOOD WORK.
1081
01:16:40,344 --> 01:16:43,524
SHE WAS BASICALLY A SCULPTOR.
1082
01:16:43,517 --> 01:16:48,067
Narrator: THE JANE DOE'S FACE
WAS PUBLICIZED IN 1978,
1083
01:16:48,068 --> 01:16:50,858
BUT NO ONE EVER IDENTIFIED HER.
1084
01:16:50,862 --> 01:16:52,662
Versiga: THAT TENDED
TO MAKE ME BELIEVE
1085
01:16:52,655 --> 01:16:54,515
THAT SHE WAS A PROSTITUTE.
1086
01:16:54,517 --> 01:16:56,377
THE FAMILY HAS EITHER
DISOWNED HER,
1087
01:16:56,379 --> 01:16:59,309
OR SHE IS OF AGE NOW THAT
ALL HER RELATIVES ARE DEAD
1088
01:16:59,310 --> 01:17:03,170
AND NOBODY KNOWS SHE'S MISSING
OR WAS EVER MISSING.
1089
01:17:03,172 --> 01:17:05,382
Narrator:
ALL THESE YEARS LATER,
1090
01:17:05,379 --> 01:17:08,549
LITTLE REMEMBERS HER WELL.
1091
01:17:08,551 --> 01:17:12,521
Versiga: HE SAID HE PICKED HER
UP IN GULFPORT, MISSISSIPPI,
1092
01:17:12,517 --> 01:17:14,967
BROUGHT HER TO PASCAGOULA,
1093
01:17:14,965 --> 01:17:16,895
WHERE THEY WENT EAT
AT A RESTAURANT.
1094
01:17:16,896 --> 01:17:19,966
AND THEN FROM THERE, HE SAID
HE DROVE HER ABOUT A MILE
1095
01:17:19,965 --> 01:17:21,715
AND THEN STRANGLES HER
1096
01:17:21,724 --> 01:17:25,454
AND THEN THROWS HER OUT
INTO WHAT HE CALLED A WASH-OUT
1097
01:17:25,448 --> 01:17:27,928
NEXT TO A TELEPHONE POLE.
1098
01:17:27,931 --> 01:17:30,691
Narrator: VERSIGA ZEROES IN
ON ONE KEY DETAIL
1099
01:17:30,689 --> 01:17:33,549
THAT ONLY THE KILLER COULD KNOW.
1100
01:17:33,551 --> 01:17:35,661
HE SAID THAT
WHEN HE'S STRANGLING HER
1101
01:17:35,655 --> 01:17:39,825
IN THE BACK SEAT OF THE CAR,
HER WIG FALLS OFF.
1102
01:17:39,827 --> 01:17:41,547
AND WHEN IT FALLS OFF,
1103
01:17:41,551 --> 01:17:43,661
HE SAYS THAT THE HAIR
WAS PLAITED,
1104
01:17:43,655 --> 01:17:45,855
WHICH THE ONLY TIME
I'VE EVER HEARD THAT
1105
01:17:45,862 --> 01:17:47,342
WAS FROM SAM LITTLE'S MOUTH
1106
01:17:47,344 --> 01:17:51,664
AND FROM THE ANTHROPOLOGIST
ON THE 1977 CASE.
1107
01:17:51,655 --> 01:17:55,825
Narrator: HE PULLS OUT PHOTOS
OF THE FACIAL RECONSTRUCTION.
1108
01:17:55,827 --> 01:17:57,517
Versiga:
WE BROUGHT ALL THESE PICTURES,
1109
01:17:57,517 --> 01:18:00,407
ALL THESE DIFFERENT ANGLES
AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT WIGS
1110
01:18:00,413 --> 01:18:02,383
AND OPEN MOUTH, CLOSED MOUTH.
1111
01:18:02,379 --> 01:18:03,929
SO I'M ROLLING THROUGH
THESE PICTURES,
1112
01:18:03,931 --> 01:18:06,761
AND HE SAID, "NOPE, NOPE, NOPE."
1113
01:18:06,758 --> 01:18:10,588
HE SAID, "WAIT. THAT ONE.
THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE HER."
1114
01:18:10,586 --> 01:18:13,856
AND THEN WHAT HE DOES IS
THE PHOTO --
1115
01:18:13,862 --> 01:18:17,032
HE DRAWS ON IT AND CORRECTS IT
1116
01:18:17,034 --> 01:18:21,414
AND THEN TRIES TO CONVINCE
HIMSELF THAT IT'S HIS CASE.
1117
01:18:21,413 --> 01:18:23,073
THAT MADE ME THINK,
1118
01:18:23,068 --> 01:18:25,828
"NO, HE'S JUST TRYING TO TAKE
CREDIT FOR THIS."
1119
01:18:25,827 --> 01:18:29,687
Narrator: THEN VERSIGA SHOWS
LITTLE A SKETCH OF THE AREA.
1120
01:18:29,689 --> 01:18:32,969
I HAD THE DIAGRAM
OFF A LITTLE BIT,
1121
01:18:32,965 --> 01:18:34,515
AND HE CORRECTED IT.
1122
01:18:34,517 --> 01:18:36,377
AND THEN I THOUGHT HE WAS
FULL OF [BLEEP] AGAIN
1123
01:18:36,379 --> 01:18:37,619
UNTIL I LOOKED AT IT,
AND I WENT,
1124
01:18:37,620 --> 01:18:40,550
"WELL, HELL, HE'S RIGHT.
I WAS WRONG."
1125
01:18:40,551 --> 01:18:43,071
AND I SAID, "HE'S GOT TO BE
THE REAL DEAL.
1126
01:18:43,068 --> 01:18:46,718
MAN, THIS GUY IS JUST SOMETHING
I'VE NEVER RUN ACROSS."
1127
01:18:46,724 --> 01:18:48,694
Narrator:
THE CASES MATCH,
1128
01:18:48,689 --> 01:18:51,589
THOUGH THE VICTIM
STILL HAS NO NAME.
1129
01:18:51,586 --> 01:18:53,896
Versiga: WE'RE STILL TRYING TO
GET HER IDENTIFIED.
1130
01:18:53,896 --> 01:18:55,896
I THINK WE'RE ON
THE RIGHT TRACK.
1131
01:18:55,896 --> 01:19:01,376
♪♪
1132
01:19:01,379 --> 01:19:06,789
♪♪
1133
01:19:06,793 --> 01:19:08,863
Narrator: IDENTIFYING ALL
OF LITTLE'S VICTIMS
1134
01:19:08,862 --> 01:19:11,622
IS ANGELA WILLIAMSON
AND CHRISTIE PALAZZOLO'S
1135
01:19:11,620 --> 01:19:13,760
TOP PRIORITY.
1136
01:19:13,758 --> 01:19:17,238
THEY'VE ALREADY HELPED CLOSE
MORE THAN 60 CASES,
1137
01:19:17,241 --> 01:19:19,591
AND ADDITIONAL CASES
ARE AWAITING DECISIONS
1138
01:19:19,586 --> 01:19:22,856
ON NEXT STEPS FROM LOCAL
AND STATE PROSECUTORS.
1139
01:19:22,862 --> 01:19:25,762
Palazzolo: AND THEN THERE'S
PROBABLY ABOUT ANOTHER DOZEN
1140
01:19:25,758 --> 01:19:30,858
REMAINING VICTIMS
THAT WE JUST CAN'T FIND
1141
01:19:30,862 --> 01:19:34,032
THE CASE THAT MATCHES BACK
TO HIS CONFESSION.
1142
01:19:34,034 --> 01:19:35,934
Williamson: THE FRUSTRATING
THING IS NOW THAT WE KNOW
1143
01:19:35,931 --> 01:19:38,281
HOW TRUTHFUL HE IS,
HOW ACCURATE HE IS,
1144
01:19:38,275 --> 01:19:40,895
AND HOW HARD IT'S BEEN
TO FIND SOME OF HIS OTHER CASES,
1145
01:19:40,896 --> 01:19:44,166
WE KNOW THERE'S A GOOD REASON
FOR WHY WE'RE NOT FINDING IT.
1146
01:19:44,172 --> 01:19:46,382
Palazzolo: JIM HAS INTERVIEWED
HIM A NUMBER OF TIMES
1147
01:19:46,379 --> 01:19:47,689
ABOUT EACH ONE,
1148
01:19:47,689 --> 01:19:52,139
AND ESPECIALLY THE ONES
THAT REMAIN UNMATCHED.
1149
01:19:52,137 --> 01:19:54,027
HE'S GONE BACK AT HIM
OVER AND OVER AGAIN
1150
01:19:54,034 --> 01:19:57,004
TRYING TO GET MORE DETAILS.
1151
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:01,070
Narrator: ONE IN PARTICULAR
STILL HAUNTS THE TEAM.
1152
01:20:01,068 --> 01:20:06,968
LITTLE CONFESSED TO KILLING
A BLACK FEMALE IN LAS VEGAS.
1153
01:20:06,965 --> 01:20:11,235
HE THOUGHT THE YEAR WAS 1993,
AND ON THIS ONE,
1154
01:20:11,241 --> 01:20:14,971
WE THINK THAT THAT ACTUALLY IS
A PRETTY ACCURATE TIME FRAME.
1155
01:20:14,965 --> 01:20:17,405
THE PART THAT REALLY
RESONATES WITH ME
1156
01:20:17,413 --> 01:20:20,283
IS HE TALKED ABOUT MEETING HER
AND TALKING TO HER,
1157
01:20:20,275 --> 01:20:21,965
AND WHEN HE FIRST MET HER,
1158
01:20:21,965 --> 01:20:26,855
SHE POINTED TO ANOTHER MAN
STANDING ON THE STREET AND SAID,
1159
01:20:26,862 --> 01:20:28,382
"THAT'S MY SON."
1160
01:20:45,896 --> 01:20:47,546
WHETHER HE KNOWS IT OR NOT,
1161
01:20:47,551 --> 01:20:52,341
HER SON ACTUALLY MET THE PERSON
WHO KILLED HIS MOTHER.
1162
01:20:52,344 --> 01:20:55,484
LITTLE'S FOCUS WASN'T THE SON.
1163
01:20:55,482 --> 01:20:59,142
IT WAS HOW HE WAS GONNA GET
THAT WOMAN AWAY FROM THE SON,
1164
01:20:59,137 --> 01:21:02,027
HOW HE WAS GONNA CONVINCE HER
TO GO WITH HIM.
1165
01:21:02,034 --> 01:21:03,834
Palazzolo: SINCE WE HAVEN'T BEEN
ABLE TO MATCH THAT CASE,
1166
01:21:03,827 --> 01:21:06,447
IT'S STILL AN UNSOLVED HOMICIDE.
1167
01:21:06,448 --> 01:21:10,068
I WRESTLE WITH THAT EVERY DAY.
1168
01:21:10,068 --> 01:21:11,968
Narrator:
THE FBI TURNS TO THE PUBLIC
1169
01:21:11,965 --> 01:21:14,925
FOR HELP IDENTIFYING
THESE WOMEN.
1170
01:21:14,931 --> 01:21:16,521
AND INVESTIGATORS PLEAD
FOR YOUR HELP
1171
01:21:16,517 --> 01:21:18,657
AS THEY TRY TO IDENTIFY
A WOMAN MURDERED
1172
01:21:18,655 --> 01:21:22,095
BY THE MOST PROLIFIC
SERIAL KILLER IN THE COUNTRY.
1173
01:21:22,103 --> 01:21:24,693
INVESTIGATORS NEED YOUR HELP
TO CONNECT A CRIME SCENE
1174
01:21:24,689 --> 01:21:27,549
STRETCHING FROM FLORIDA
ALL THE WAY TO CALIFORNIA.
1175
01:21:27,551 --> 01:21:29,381
THE FBI IS ASKING ANYONE
WHO BELIEVES
1176
01:21:29,379 --> 01:21:31,899
THAT THEY MAY HAVE INFORMATION
ABOUT A RELATED CRIME
1177
01:21:31,896 --> 01:21:33,136
TO CALL THEIR TIP LINE.
1178
01:21:33,137 --> 01:21:34,477
Palazzolo:
WE NEED THOSE TIPS,
1179
01:21:34,482 --> 01:21:38,102
ESPECIALLY IF THAT CASE WAS
NEVER RULED A HOMICIDE,
1180
01:21:38,103 --> 01:21:40,033
NEVER INVESTIGATED
AS A HOMICIDE.
1181
01:21:40,034 --> 01:21:41,414
THIS IS THE ONLY WAY
1182
01:21:41,413 --> 01:21:42,863
THAT WE'RE EVER
GONNA BE ABLE TO FIND IT.
1183
01:21:42,862 --> 01:21:44,342
WE NEED THE PUBLIC'S HELP.
1184
01:21:45,275 --> 01:21:48,475
Narrator: THEY'VE EVEN SHARED
GLIMPSES OF LITTLE HIMSELF.
1185
01:22:05,896 --> 01:22:10,096
♪♪
1186
01:22:10,103 --> 01:22:15,523
FAMILY MEMBERS STILL HAVE
SO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.
1187
01:22:15,517 --> 01:22:18,717
Bob: WE HAD THE RESOLUTION
OF BEING ABLE TO BURY HER,
1188
01:22:18,724 --> 01:22:21,624
AND THERE'S MANY THAT NEVER
EVEN FOUND OUT WHAT HAPPENED.
1189
01:22:21,620 --> 01:22:25,240
YOU KNOW,
IT'S JUST A DISAPPEARANCE.
1190
01:22:25,241 --> 01:22:27,451
Narrator: PAUL STEVENS,
WHOSE SISTER NANCY
1191
01:22:27,448 --> 01:22:29,448
WAS LITTLE'S FINAL VICTIM,
1192
01:22:29,448 --> 01:22:33,758
REMEMBERS GETTING THE CALL
FROM JIM HOLLAND IN 2018.
1193
01:22:33,758 --> 01:22:37,408
HE SAID, "WE HAVE FOUND THE MAN
THAT MURDERED YOUR SISTER."
1194
01:22:37,413 --> 01:22:38,833
I SAID, "ARE YOU SURE?"
1195
01:22:38,827 --> 01:22:42,277
HE SAID, "YES, BECAUSE
ONLY THE TWO INVESTIGATORS
1196
01:22:42,275 --> 01:22:45,235
AND HIM KNEW THE DETAILS
OF THIS CASE,
1197
01:22:45,241 --> 01:22:48,171
SO WE WERE 100% SURE."
1198
01:22:48,172 --> 01:22:51,722
MY MAMA JUST ALWAYS SAID
SHE JUST HOPED THAT
1199
01:22:51,724 --> 01:22:53,834
BEFORE SHE LEAVE THIS WORLD,
1200
01:22:53,827 --> 01:22:56,927
THAT SHE WOULD FIND OUT
WHO DONE THIS TO OUR DAUGHTER.
1201
01:22:56,931 --> 01:22:59,791
AND ON THAT DAY WHEN
THAT TEXAS RANGER CALLED ME,
1202
01:22:59,793 --> 01:23:01,313
YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A --
1203
01:23:01,310 --> 01:23:05,240
THAT WAS A GLORIOUS DAY FOR US,
YOU KNOW?
1204
01:23:05,241 --> 01:23:11,311
Pat: UNLESS YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED
THIS KIND OF A LOSS
1205
01:23:11,310 --> 01:23:15,970
AND A BRUTAL, VIOLENT END
TO THE LIFE
1206
01:23:15,965 --> 01:23:19,025
OF SOMEBODY YOU LOVE,
1207
01:23:19,034 --> 01:23:22,144
I DON'T REALLY HAVE WORDS
FOR IT.
1208
01:23:22,137 --> 01:23:23,857
THE FACT THAT HE'S FINALLY
OFF THE STREETS
1209
01:23:23,862 --> 01:23:27,282
AND NOT KILLING PEOPLE
IS JUSTICE.
1210
01:23:27,275 --> 01:23:30,655
THE FACT THAT IT TOOK SO
[BLEEP]DAMN LONG IS NOT JUSTICE.
1211
01:23:32,931 --> 01:23:36,481
Christie: IF I HAD ANYTHING
TO SAY TO SAMUEL LITTLE,
1212
01:23:36,482 --> 01:23:38,312
I'D PROBABLY SAY, "ENJOY HELL."
1213
01:23:41,620 --> 01:23:43,720
Narrator:
IN THE FALL OF 2018,
1214
01:23:43,724 --> 01:23:46,694
AFTER 49 DAYS OF INTERVIEWS,
1215
01:23:46,689 --> 01:23:51,969
SAMUEL LITTLE IS SENT BACK
TO PRISON IN CALIFORNIA.
1216
01:23:51,965 --> 01:23:54,995
HE'S BEEN ALLOWED TO KEEP
HIS ART SUPPLIES
1217
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:58,070
AND CONTINUES
DRAWING HIS VICTIMS,
1218
01:23:58,068 --> 01:24:02,308
INCLUDING THOSE
WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN FOUND.
1219
01:24:02,310 --> 01:24:04,140
Williamson: THIS WEEK,
RANGER HOLLAND IS WITH HIM,
1220
01:24:04,137 --> 01:24:07,137
AND I CAN'T WAIT TO GET
MORE INFORMATION OUT OF HIM.
1221
01:24:07,137 --> 01:24:10,337
THAT REINVIGORATES OUR SEARCHES
TO TRY AND FIND THESE,
1222
01:24:10,344 --> 01:24:13,624
AND IT MAY BE SOMETHING WE CAN
PUT OUT TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL.
1223
01:24:13,620 --> 01:24:16,070
Narrator: WITHOUT
THE EXTRAORDINARY COLLABORATION
1224
01:24:16,068 --> 01:24:19,098
OF ANGELA WILLIAMSON,
CHRISTIE PALAZZOLO,
1225
01:24:19,103 --> 01:24:21,283
AND JIM HOLLAND,
1226
01:24:21,275 --> 01:24:25,445
SAMUEL LITTLE MIGHT NEVER
HAVE SHARED HIS PAST.
1227
01:24:25,448 --> 01:24:28,168
WHAT TRULY MAKES ME UPSET
IS THAT LITTLE
1228
01:24:28,172 --> 01:24:29,972
COULD HAVE DIED IN PRISON.
1229
01:24:29,965 --> 01:24:33,025
WITHOUT HIM TELLING US THIS,
WE'D HAVE NOTHING.
1230
01:24:33,034 --> 01:24:35,074
THESE FAMILIES
WOULD HAVE NO ANSWERS.
1231
01:24:35,068 --> 01:24:37,968
THIS IS NOT ABOUT SAMUEL LITTLE.
1232
01:24:37,965 --> 01:24:42,205
THIS IS ABOUT THOSE WOMEN
THAT HE KILLED
1233
01:24:42,206 --> 01:24:46,896
AND MAKING SURE THAT
WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING
1234
01:24:46,896 --> 01:24:51,966
TO BRING WHAT JUSTICE,
WHAT CLOSURE WE CAN
1235
01:24:51,965 --> 01:24:53,655
TO THEIR CASES
1236
01:24:53,655 --> 01:24:55,995
AND ANSWERS TO THEIR FAMILIES.
1237
01:24:56,000 --> 01:25:02,480
♪♪
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