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(PLAYING FLUTE)
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One of the first things I did
when I started this project
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was to order a kit of recorders, right?
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And so I got these in the mail.
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I've never played this one before,
so this was the one I played first.
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(PLAYING FLUTE)
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That became...
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That's the intro to the Mandalorian theme.
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(THE MANDALORIAN THEME PLAYING)
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(SPEAKING ALIEN LANGUAGE)
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G�RANSSON: It's soulful, and it's intimateand almost childlike.
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I think it's a very broad sound
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that a lot of people will have
their own relations to the sound.
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After I started with a flute,I played a drum over it.
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And then I went over to the piano.
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Doubling the bass line with the piano.
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Very dramatic.
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You know something's
about to happen, right? (LAUGHS)
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(THE MANDALORIAN THEME PLAYING)
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-JON FAVREAU: You know Ryan Coogler.
-Yeah.
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Every time I saw him, for years,
brings you up.
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(G�RANSSON CHUCKLES)
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Was he your roommate at USC?
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G�RANSSON: Yeah, at USC.
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We started working together
on student films,
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and we've worked together since then.
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And so we got together and talked about...
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Do you remember
the first thing we discussed?
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I know that we had a...
discussed our common...
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And then Donald Glover also.
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You were in the studio with him
with Lion King.
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Yeah, we were working on Lion King,
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and I'd been working with himfor a few years at that point,
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and I also thought it was really cool
that you didn't just do music for film,
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but you also were part of making songs
and popular songs and hip-hop songs.
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And I also loved that... What was
the short film that you appeared in?
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Clapping...
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-Clapping for the Wrong Reasons.-Clapping for the Wrong Reasons.
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And you sort of cameo in there.
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There's a bit that he does where
he's putting some music together,
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and it's all these crazy
techno-industrial sounds.
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(TECHNO MUSIC PLAYING)
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I was like, "There's something kind of
cool there for this particular...
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"this particular story
for The Mandalorian,"
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because Star Wars has a sound,
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but then we wanted to bring in kind of
a dystopic twist to it, kind of like...
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Something different.
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Which really makes life
a lot easier for me,
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'cause if you would've said,
"We want it to sound...
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"we want the Star Wars themes
here," that would've been like...
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It would've been
a really difficult situation.
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We gave you many reference points,
if I remember.
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-So we talked about Morricone.
-G�RANSSON: Mmm-hmm.
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And we talked about the scores
for the Kurosawa films,
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which are also not traditional.
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No.
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Different was big. Different was key,
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and it's something that for me,
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I experienced first talkingwith George about music.
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Star Wars can cover a vaster array
of sounds and design than you think.
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So when you are immediately
talking about different sounds,
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you brought up Ludwig,
and I was like, "Wow, this is like..."
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I think of that moment again, and it makes
complete sense for what we were doing.
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You needed to be the person who wasn't
gonna be scared to just march out there.
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You guys just made it really fun,
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and you took the pressure away and just...
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Basically, after every meeting we had,
like, "Have fun with it."
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You know, just like,
encouraging to just experiment.
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You were just so open for experimentation.
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You also did a great job.
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We wouldn't have been that way
if we didn't like what you were doing.
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To me, this still feels organic somehow.
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Um, I found this '70s
guitar synthesizer called...
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This is the Roland GR-500.
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It's a very rare guitar synthesizer.
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You can't make computers today
sound like this.
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So just sitting and playing,
and guitar is my first instrument,
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so just sitting and playing guitar just...
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just with this synth sound, to me,
kind of created a bunch of new ideas.
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KUIIL: You are Mandalorian!
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Your ancestors rode the great Mythosaur.
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Surely you can ride this young foal.
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(GROWLS)
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(YOU ARE A MANDALORIAN PLAYING)
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G�RANSSON: Early on,Jon was kind of describing this
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as a samurai, gunslinger, Western show,
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and he was always talking about it
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in different terms
and describing the character
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in a way that made it feel new to me,
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so musically, what does that mean?
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It's a one-man journey, you know.
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You're just followingthis guy the whole time.
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Musically, you need to tell the story.
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Constantly tell the story and
show his emotions through music,
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because you don't see it on his face.
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(GRUNTS)
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Obviously, the most important is what
the music is and the content of the music.
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The melodies and the harmoniesand the rhythm.
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(YOU ARE A MANDALORIAN PLAYING)
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G�RANSSON: Being the producer,the music is almost as important,
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the way you shape itand the way you make it sound,
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because now we haveall these tools to make it different.
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The first thing I didafter reading all the scripts,
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I just got into my studio.
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I closed myself off for, like, a month
with just instruments.
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That is where you'll find your quarry.
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No computers. Normally, like,
you're right sitting by the computer,
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and you're transfixed
to the computer screen,
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but you don't get anything back
from the computer.
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If you're sitting with a guitar,it's giving you something,
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and to me, that connection was key.
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Those that live here come to seek peace.
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There will be no peace until they're gone.
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G�RANSSON: I made five songs.Like, five 5-minute songs
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with all different flavors for different
characters or different planets.
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After a month of doing that, I went overto the studio where Jon and Dave were,
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and I pulled up, like,
my themes on my phone.
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Immediately when they heard it,they were like, "That's it.
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"That's so cool. That's the sound.
I never heard that before."
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(THE MANDALORIAN THEME PLAYING ON PHONE)
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You hear it?
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This guy.
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On a recorder in his bathtub.
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I never got a recorder to sound so good.
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The bath... In the woods.
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-In the woods?
-In the woods.
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-No.
-No.
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(TECHNO BEATS PLAYING)
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G�RANSSON: Go into this delay.
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You can't do music for Star Wars
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without working on something
that looks like a robot, right?
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(CHUCKLES)
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(LITTLE MOUSEY PLAYING)
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THE MANDALORIAN: I don't like this.
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You always were paranoid.
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G�RANSSON: This is just...I think just something I work with
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to just kind of create sounds,still by hands and still by playing.
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It feels like a toy, almost.
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Like, if you spend hoursjust turning around and buttons...
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and pressing buttons, you know,
these things are extremely powerful
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and can create interesting soundscapes
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that might lead you to another idea.
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It's all about creating worlds.
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You want to have the whole visual world
connected to it through the audio.
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-No! Burg, what are you doin'?
-What?
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SECURITY DROID: Intruder alert.
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(TECHNO MUSIC PLAYING)
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G�RANSSON: Sounds inspire meto another sound...
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kind of like a kindergartenplayground, almost, environment.
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But that kind of environment,the best creativity came out of me.
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Anything, man.
You can do anything with this.
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To me, this is all by chance, too.
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You don't know what's gonna happen.
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We started with something,
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you know, started something
that was very different,
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and then we added on another element,
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which was kind of like
what we talked about,
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like the dystopian, the tech.
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Like, putting all this organic
'70s instruments
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through computers and filters
and making it modern,
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and then the third element,
which is the orchestra,
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to kind of honor Star Wars, in my opinion.
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I wanted to get that same sound that we...
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It makes a huge difference
when you have 80 people in a room
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play their instruments, and all,
you know, putting a human touch.
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And your wife and your unborn child.
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G�RANSSON: And my wifeand my unborn child, who...
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She was concertmaster for the sessions.
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FAVREAU: I was very moved.The whole thing felt so good,
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and I was coming offof doing Lion King and features,
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so to me, it was the efficiency also,'cause it was a big orchestra.
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But you don't have much timewith all those players,
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so you just rip through it.
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But to me, it was your confidenceand the fact that you didn't seem
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daunted or scared, and if you were,you didn't let it on,
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because the one thing,
the biggest lightning rod in Star Wars,
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I think, is the music,
because it's the one thing...
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Everybody has different opinions
about which movies they like better
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or characters or lines of dialogue
or storylines.
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Everybody who loves Star Wars,
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they may have their opinions about,
you know, the specificities of it,
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but everybody is in agreement
that the music is iconic and perfect,
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and I think our biggest goal
is to not feel
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like we were just repeating
or drawing upon
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what had come before as a shortcut
to get through to the audience.
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(ORCHESTRA PLAYING)
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G�RANSSON: Thank you guys
so much for being here.
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What we're recording today
is a show called Mandalorian,
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and it's Lucasfilm's first
live-action Star Wars show.
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(ALL CHEERING AND APPLAUDING)
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FAVREAU: Thanks for coming in.
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You're the first people to have any flavor
of what we're doing.
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What you're hearing and playing here is one part of it,
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and of course,
there's a whole tech element to it
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that's gonna be mixed in with it.
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But really, it's about humanity,
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and it's about humans playing instruments
and bringing your artistry to it.
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And I'm so excited to be here.
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It just rolled away from me. (LAUGHS)
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What score do they have in front of them?
Okay, let's start on one and 11, then.
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So we'll start with HammerTime, I guess.
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-HammerTime? That what it's called?
-Yeah.
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THE MANDALORIAN: I was once a Foundling.
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ARMORER: I know.
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(HAMMERTIME PLAYING)
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G�RANSSON: Scoring your musicwith a live orchestra,
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that's the best part of this job.
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Up until then, you've only been
inside your studio just by yourself.
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You go to the scoring stage,and everyone comes there: Jon, Dave.
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We're all there, and we hear
the music being performed
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by the best musicians in the world.
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And just hear how much it changes
and how special it is
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and hear them reallybring the music to life.
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And you look up on the screen,the characters really come alive.
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-I got goosebumps.
-(ALL APPLAUDING)
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FILONI: How awesome was that?
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It's just the beginning, guys.
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IG-11: The tracking fob is still active.
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My sensors indicate
that there is a life form present.
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This was something completely different
from what I've done before.
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It's eight episodes.
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It's just so much music. (CHUCKLES)
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It's almost like scoringthree feature films.
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I wanted a through line
throughout the show.
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But then also, every episodeis so specifically different.
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It takes place in a different worldwith new characters.
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It's almost like every episodeis its own story in itself.
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That is really fun as a composer.
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How can you make everything has
its own sound but also tie it together?
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(SIZZLES)
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G�RANSSON: As we went along,I was like, "Okay, well,
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"we need a new theme for every episode."
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And then obviously, the Mandalorian themeto tie it all together.
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There are certain directors
that work with composers.
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Like, Luc Besson works with his composer
from the very beginning,
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and then you can play those themes on set.
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And for me,
it can help me with my writing,
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'cause I was still working on
season one, season two,
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and all of a sudden,
it took on its own personality,
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and it also amazed me
how orchestral it ended up being, too.
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So we did have a lot of what people
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but yet, it's its own thing.
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FILONI: And to think about that, too,we have this
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kind of huge benefit but also impediment
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in that everybody knows
what a stormtrooper is.
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If a stormtrooper walks onto the set,
everyone's like,
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"So cool. Look at the stormtrooper."
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That's not how it was when George made Star Wars.
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People said, "Can you believe this thing?"
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FAVREAU: "What are they doing?"
FILONI: "Can't believe we're doing this."
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Everybody wants to make this great.
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Everybody wants to give their best.
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He had to somehow get the bestout of everybody
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and explain what the heck a Jedi is and...
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FAVREAU: It's so overwhelmingto think about.
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FILONI: It's a miracle,
thinking of it that way.
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-We're taking it from here to here.
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He took it from nothing to this.
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FILONI: And at the same time,
it can also hurt us,
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because people almost put too much
grandiose importance on things
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that should be fun and light
or should just be allowed to play.
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on it being this exciting adventure
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that is mainly directed at kids,
as George always held to that,
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then we're changing it into something
it's not meant to be
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'cause we're trying to cherish it
so much, we're holding it too tight.
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The same could've been true of the music,
you know, when you did it,
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if we just stuck to what was always done
and didn't take a chance,
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you know, to do something different
and yet honor what was there.
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It's a very fine line.
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I got introduced to Star Wars
through the music.
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John Williams, what he's donewith film music is beyond words.
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When I hear it,
it makes me feel like a kid again.
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You've taken your first step
into a larger world.
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The impact that it had on me,
it really got me into classical music.
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His music is so intelligent and emotional.
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It's been inspiring going back in timeand rediscovering some of his music.
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I went back and listenedto his other work...
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...and imagined what made him kind ofcreate the sound that we all know
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and just listen to the waythat he experimented with sounds
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and using modern sounds with an orchestra.
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That got me extremely inspired.
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I'll never be able to do
what John Williams has done,
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but I want to try to bring something newand something exciting
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and something that hopefully will be ableto make kids listen the same way
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and get kids excited the way I did.
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(BE CAREFUL WITH HIM PLAYING)
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I have a lot of friends
that are film-music nerds.
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I think what's been really cool has been
seeing how invested people are in this.
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Like, there's...
People are like, "I love it."
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the two different information,
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like, people either love it
or they really hate it,
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and I feel like the people that hated it,
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I've heard that it takes them
a couple episodes,
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and they get used to it,
and then by the end,
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they're like, "I love this now."
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It was our way of saying,
"We're not competing with Star Wars."
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Star Wars is Star Wars,
and we love Star Wars,
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and we're not pretending we're Star Wars.
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We're our own thing
that is an off-shoot of that.
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It allowed us to bring new charactersinto the world,
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and it allowed us to show new planetsand new time periods,
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and all of that, I think people get pretty
quickly when they hear the theme.
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Well, I think, too, we've talked about
with what we did visually,
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and it's just true of Star Wars.
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It's very generational.
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Every couple years, there are kidsthat have their own Star Wars.
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There's the original trilogy,
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there's a type of expanded-universe
group of people,
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there's prequel people,
then there become Clone Wars people,
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and so on and so on,
and they all love Star Wars.
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They all love similar-but-different things
about Star Wars,
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and when you think about it, your music,
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those kids will have a powerfulconnection as they grow up with this
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that they become the next generation
of people that carry on these stories.
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