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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,300 --> 00:00:08,500 First of all, my mom. 2 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:10,333 There was a point where she was in the hospital 3 00:00:11,767 --> 00:00:13,067 for, like, two weeks, and we really thought that was it. 4 00:00:14,467 --> 00:00:16,367 She has this thing where her white blood cells go down 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,700 and her blood thins out into water. 6 00:00:21,067 --> 00:00:22,400 You know, just praying every day, every day, every day. 7 00:00:23,567 --> 00:00:25,267 You know, it might seem that God is choking you, 8 00:00:26,133 --> 00:00:27,533 but it's just a test of faith. 9 00:00:29,733 --> 00:00:30,600 By having my tattoo on the back, 10 00:00:31,767 --> 00:00:33,667 it just feels that I have my mom with me. 11 00:00:33,667 --> 00:00:35,267 I'm always gonna carry her with me. 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:37,567 When I pray at night, I feel like she's there with me, 13 00:00:38,133 --> 00:00:39,133 praying with me, 14 00:00:40,300 --> 00:00:42,067 and it's just this bond that I have with my mom, 15 00:00:42,767 --> 00:00:44,767 and it's just faith. 16 00:00:46,900 --> 00:00:48,667 When I was getting tattooed, I mean, I could just think, 17 00:00:50,333 --> 00:00:52,700 Wow, this ain't even half of what my mom goes through every day. 18 00:00:53,767 --> 00:00:56,700 It's just I feel her closer to me. 19 00:00:58,167 --> 00:01:02,233 I know God and the Virgin Mary has my back and my mom, so... 20 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:03,300 It's just... 21 00:01:04,633 --> 00:01:05,500 You know, I mean, I don't want to be like anybody else. 22 00:01:06,833 --> 00:01:07,500 You know, I definitely want to have my own thing, 23 00:01:08,867 --> 00:01:11,500 and we're all created unique, you know what I mean? 24 00:01:12,933 --> 00:01:13,667 There's something different about each and every one of us, 25 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,267 and it's just a matter of getting to know who you are. 26 00:01:17,533 --> 00:01:21,200 You know, I want to really tell a story on my skin, 27 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:22,600 so when people see it, they can more or less read 28 00:01:23,433 --> 00:01:25,500 instead of having a saying, 29 00:01:25,500 --> 00:01:26,267 instead of putting writing, 30 00:01:27,433 --> 00:01:30,167 I wanted to put my thoughts, my story into it 31 00:01:30,767 --> 00:01:32,067 but in images. 32 00:01:33,233 --> 00:01:35,667 It was an angel. It was Cupid, and it just. 33 00:01:37,333 --> 00:01:41,167 For me, it really symbolized freedom and the wings of an angel. 34 00:01:42,467 --> 00:01:45,433 Being able to rise above the trials and tribulations 35 00:01:46,267 --> 00:01:48,367 that you go through in life. 36 00:01:49,867 --> 00:01:52,867 When somebody asks me, "Which one is your favorite tattoo?", 37 00:01:52,867 --> 00:01:54,500 that's the equivalent of asking somebody like, 38 00:01:55,733 --> 00:01:56,400 Which one of your children is your favorite? 39 00:01:57,100 --> 00:01:59,400 You can't pick just one. 40 00:02:12,867 --> 00:02:14,500 Tattoos were once seen as a sign of rebellion, 41 00:02:15,900 --> 00:02:18,067 a middle finger salute to the rest of the world. 42 00:02:24,233 --> 00:02:25,400 Outlaw bikers got tattoos. 43 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,033 Sailors in Singapore got tattoos. 44 00:02:29,100 --> 00:02:31,300 Lifers in the joint got tattoos. 45 00:02:31,300 --> 00:02:32,167 But now... 46 00:02:33,567 --> 00:02:35,367 What do you think of all the ink that my audience has? 47 00:02:35,367 --> 00:02:38,100 I love it! It's so good. 48 00:02:38,100 --> 00:02:39,400 It's estimated 15% of Americans have tattoos 49 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,567 and that number rises to 40% in the age group 26 to 40. 50 00:02:44,700 --> 00:02:45,667 Tattoos used to be a sign of rebellion. 51 00:02:46,833 --> 00:02:48,800 Now it's just a sign you've been to the mall. 52 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,200 Everyplace you go, everywhere you look, 53 00:02:52,267 --> 00:02:54,000 it seems like someone's wearing ink. 54 00:02:54,700 --> 00:02:55,633 Why do you like tattoos? 55 00:02:57,700 --> 00:03:01,500 I think everybody's got a way of expressing their feelings, 56 00:03:01,500 --> 00:03:03,767 and mine is for my tattoos. 57 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,500 So what happened? 58 00:03:08,500 --> 00:03:10,133 How did tattoo go from something that was put on you 59 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,100 to an expression that comes from within you? 60 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:16,267 - Hey. - What's up, Freddy? 61 00:03:17,833 --> 00:03:18,567 How are you doing? 62 00:03:19,967 --> 00:03:23,000 This is actually a design that Danielle came up with. 63 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,100 Now, this tattoo started out as a little cover up. 64 00:03:25,533 --> 00:03:28,433 My daughter had said she had a terrible tattoo on her hip 65 00:03:29,667 --> 00:03:30,233 that she didn't like, so she'd cover it up. 66 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:31,700 Sure, go ahead. 67 00:03:32,367 --> 00:03:34,500 So I sent her to Freddy. 68 00:03:35,767 --> 00:03:37,233 Just a generation ago, it was unthinkable 69 00:03:38,867 --> 00:03:40,433 for a father to take his daughter into a tattoo parlor. 70 00:03:41,833 --> 00:03:43,033 It was even more unusual for him to stick around 71 00:03:43,867 --> 00:03:44,633 and watch her get one. 72 00:03:46,867 --> 00:03:49,367 For years, tattoos have had an image problem. 73 00:03:51,367 --> 00:03:53,567 In fact, not so very long ago, in many parts of the world, 74 00:03:54,967 --> 00:03:58,300 tattooing wasn't just frowned upon, it was illegal. 75 00:03:59,433 --> 00:04:00,167 Even though a number of brave service men 76 00:04:01,533 --> 00:04:04,600 came home from World War II wearing fresh ink, 77 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,333 tattooers and their clients were considered by most others 78 00:04:07,367 --> 00:04:09,167 to be on the fringe of society. 79 00:04:12,267 --> 00:04:14,367 In those days, if you opened a shop, 80 00:04:14,367 --> 00:04:15,533 you opened a shop in Skid Row or you didn't open at all 81 00:04:16,833 --> 00:04:17,400 because nobody would look for you anywhere else. 82 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:19,700 A lot of times, tattooers back in that period 83 00:04:20,733 --> 00:04:21,533 would actually adopt a needle name 84 00:04:22,700 --> 00:04:24,767 to protect their family from embarrassment. 85 00:04:26,467 --> 00:04:30,467 By the 1960s, many people got their tattoos in secret 86 00:04:30,467 --> 00:04:32,300 behind closed doors. 87 00:04:34,300 --> 00:04:36,267 If you were caught tattooing during the period of time 88 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:38,400 that it was illegal in New York City, 89 00:04:39,633 --> 00:04:43,167 there was a $500 fine, a misdemeanor charge, 90 00:04:43,167 --> 00:04:45,767 and then they would confiscate all of your tattoo equipment. 91 00:04:58,300 --> 00:04:59,267 Well, when I started in Massachusetts, 92 00:05:00,067 --> 00:05:01,867 of course it was illegal. 93 00:05:01,867 --> 00:05:06,800 So I tattooed probably the first year or so 94 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,667 only out of this motorcycle club clubhouse, 95 00:05:09,900 --> 00:05:13,600 and every time I saw a really amazing tattoo, 96 00:05:14,467 --> 00:05:15,667 it seemed to be from the Pike. 97 00:05:16,767 --> 00:05:17,567 I'd ask guys, "Where'd you get that?" 98 00:05:18,700 --> 00:05:21,367 And they'd be like, "Oh, California." 99 00:05:21,367 --> 00:05:23,733 I'm like, "Where?", and they'd say, "Long Beach, at the Pike." 100 00:05:23,733 --> 00:05:25,333 The Pike goes back to the 1800s. 101 00:05:26,767 --> 00:05:30,533 It was initially a fishing pier that they built off Long Beach. 102 00:05:30,533 --> 00:05:31,700 People started building rides, 103 00:05:32,933 --> 00:05:34,167 then concessions came in, restaurants came in. 104 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,600 At one time there was a dozen tattoo shops. 105 00:05:38,467 --> 00:05:39,600 There were few that rivaled it 106 00:05:40,833 --> 00:05:42,500 for concentration of tattooers in one place. 107 00:05:43,267 --> 00:05:44,600 In those days, 108 00:05:46,067 --> 00:05:49,067 you're talking about 300 shops in the whole United States. 109 00:05:50,067 --> 00:05:51,533 So there wasn't that many choices. 110 00:05:52,867 --> 00:05:56,067 Everybody knew the Pike was where to go get a tattoo. 111 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,367 There was all those military bases, training bases. 112 00:06:01,367 --> 00:06:04,333 The 7th fleet was there in Los Angeles and San Pedro, so it was all. 113 00:06:05,767 --> 00:06:07,967 You know, there was tons of military in Southern California, 114 00:06:07,967 --> 00:06:10,233 so of course they were drawn to this amusement area. 115 00:06:11,533 --> 00:06:13,567 There were not a lot of civilians getting tattooed. 116 00:06:14,767 --> 00:06:17,100 It was military pay-day two weekends a month. 117 00:06:18,500 --> 00:06:22,367 72 hours of just hardcore sailors, Marines, and military. 118 00:06:24,133 --> 00:06:26,833 Sometimes they would work 24 hours, they would work around the clock. 119 00:06:26,833 --> 00:06:28,033 Sometimes if the shop had enough staff, 120 00:06:29,333 --> 00:06:30,400 they would actually be open for three days straight, 121 00:06:31,067 --> 00:06:31,300 the whole weekend. 122 00:06:32,100 --> 00:06:33,500 They wouldn't even close. 123 00:06:46,900 --> 00:06:48,500 We were doing strictly what was on the wall, 124 00:06:49,333 --> 00:06:50,233 and it was pretty eclectic. 125 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,333 You know, your basic roses, eagles, ribbons. 126 00:06:54,533 --> 00:06:56,133 We did a lot of Marine Corps stuff in the '60s. 127 00:06:57,567 --> 00:06:59,400 A lot of Marine bulldogs, and eagle, globe, and anchors. 128 00:07:00,567 --> 00:07:02,467 We put on good tattoos, but we put them on fast 129 00:07:03,833 --> 00:07:07,367 because you were doing Virgin Marys this big for $15. 130 00:07:07,367 --> 00:07:08,533 You know, you couldn't spend two hours on it like you do today. 131 00:07:09,367 --> 00:07:10,367 So we put them on in 20 minutes. 132 00:07:11,667 --> 00:07:12,467 Most tattoos offered at The Pike 133 00:07:13,767 --> 00:07:15,367 were in the style now referred to as traditional. 134 00:07:17,167 --> 00:07:19,367 They were cartoon-like designs displayed on sheets called flash. 135 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,567 With limited choices and only four colors, 136 00:07:23,567 --> 00:07:26,100 tattoo was a one-way street. 137 00:07:27,567 --> 00:07:30,500 You went into a tattoo shop, you picked a design off the wall, 138 00:07:31,333 --> 00:07:32,567 and you had it tattooed on you. 139 00:07:33,733 --> 00:07:35,933 I mean, maybe you could change the color 140 00:07:35,933 --> 00:07:37,767 if the tattooer wasn't too ornery. 141 00:07:40,133 --> 00:07:42,167 We had so much business from just what was coming in off the door 142 00:07:43,533 --> 00:07:46,300 that we didn't need to specialize or do custom work. 143 00:07:48,333 --> 00:07:50,900 We used to tell people, "If it ain't on the wall, we don't have it." 144 00:07:50,900 --> 00:07:51,667 Even with all that business, 145 00:07:53,100 --> 00:07:55,367 Pike tattooers weren't likely to hire or train new talent. 146 00:07:56,567 --> 00:07:57,667 For one thing, a lot of the older tattooers 147 00:07:58,700 --> 00:08:00,167 wouldn't give up any of the cool secrets. 148 00:08:00,900 --> 00:08:01,233 The guys would leave. 149 00:08:02,367 --> 00:08:03,667 They wouldn't know how to make needles, 150 00:08:03,667 --> 00:08:04,600 they wouldn't know how to make ink. 151 00:08:06,067 --> 00:08:07,367 The guys they worked for would supply them with this stuff 152 00:08:08,533 --> 00:08:09,167 because they didn't want them to leave. 153 00:08:10,667 --> 00:08:12,133 I mean, back then you'd ask somebody to work on your machine. 154 00:08:12,933 --> 00:08:13,700 If they would even do it, 155 00:08:14,967 --> 00:08:16,500 if they weren't going to take it and fuck it up more, 156 00:08:17,933 --> 00:08:18,367 if they were actually going to do something good to it, 157 00:08:19,533 --> 00:08:20,533 there's a good chance they'd turn around 158 00:08:20,533 --> 00:08:21,567 and, you know, kind of hide it 159 00:08:22,900 --> 00:08:24,500 and do what they needed to do and hand it back to you. 160 00:08:25,767 --> 00:08:27,000 And it was that mentality. "Why won't you show me?" 161 00:08:27,700 --> 00:08:29,200 Cause if I show you, 162 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:30,200 then you're going to go do something on your own. 163 00:08:31,533 --> 00:08:34,167 Most artists didn't talk with each other in those days. 164 00:08:34,167 --> 00:08:35,233 You didn't go visit the other guy's shops. 165 00:08:36,700 --> 00:08:39,433 If you opened a shop up within 20 miles of where they were, 166 00:08:40,900 --> 00:08:42,767 man, they'd break your windows out or superglue your locks. 167 00:08:50,267 --> 00:08:53,167 But in the 1970s, there was a place where tattoos were accepted 168 00:08:54,333 --> 00:08:57,400 and tattoo artists seemed to flourish. 169 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,100 It was a place where the secrets of tattoo were openly shared 170 00:09:00,767 --> 00:09:02,100 and the boundaries of what you could do with a needle and ink 171 00:09:03,233 --> 00:09:04,767 were being tested day after day. 172 00:09:06,467 --> 00:09:07,400 That place was prison, 173 00:09:08,700 --> 00:09:10,400 and the inmates who were pushing the art? 174 00:09:11,567 --> 00:09:13,133 They were mostly Mexican-Americans. 175 00:09:22,300 --> 00:09:23,167 By the mid 20th Century, 176 00:09:24,767 --> 00:09:26,167 there were hundreds of thousands of Mexican-Americans 177 00:09:27,500 --> 00:09:30,767 living and working in the American Southwest. 178 00:09:30,767 --> 00:09:32,167 As they came to the cities 179 00:09:33,300 --> 00:09:34,233 and they established different barrios, 180 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:36,367 some in rural areas, some in urban areas, 181 00:09:37,567 --> 00:09:40,833 some in suburban areas, different locations... 182 00:09:40,833 --> 00:09:44,433 They were close to jobs in certain occupations, 183 00:09:45,700 --> 00:09:48,667 and that's where you find Mexican barrios rising. 184 00:09:50,500 --> 00:09:52,433 Some of those people in Los Angeles had ancestors in the Southwest 185 00:09:53,733 --> 00:09:56,333 for hundreds of years when it was part of Mexico, 186 00:09:57,667 --> 00:09:59,367 Yet they were treated as second-class citizens. 187 00:10:00,633 --> 00:10:02,700 There was a segment of the population, 10-15%, 188 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,400 that lost out somehow and got lost in the shuffle, 189 00:10:07,100 --> 00:10:08,133 fell between the cracks, 190 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:13,667 and that segment of youth within those groups, 191 00:10:15,067 --> 00:10:16,500 they began to hang out in the streets more regularly, 192 00:10:17,767 --> 00:10:19,533 and on the streets they created their own culture, 193 00:10:19,533 --> 00:10:20,200 which is a syncretic culture, 194 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:21,600 part of the pachuco thing. 195 00:10:24,367 --> 00:10:26,100 Pachuco culture had its own unique style. 196 00:10:27,367 --> 00:10:30,433 Wide brim hats, suits with broad shoulders, 197 00:10:31,733 --> 00:10:34,233 pleated pants with tight cuffs, zoot suits. 198 00:10:35,733 --> 00:10:40,467 But it was the tattoo that truly bonded many of the men. 199 00:10:40,467 --> 00:10:42,433 The pachuco cross was a symbol of belonging to a group 200 00:10:43,533 --> 00:10:45,400 that others saw as outsiders. 201 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,567 It's almost like your baptizing on the streets 202 00:10:49,767 --> 00:10:52,400 and you have the imprimatur of the tattoo. 203 00:10:54,100 --> 00:10:56,667 And it started off with little crosses here and little dots there 204 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,167 and maybe a little heart with their girlfriend's name. 205 00:11:01,333 --> 00:11:03,467 By the 1970s, pachuco was old school. 206 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:06,567 Their descendants called themselves "cholo". 207 00:11:07,633 --> 00:11:10,033 As from the Spanish word "solo". Cholo. 208 00:11:10,833 --> 00:11:12,233 That's the play on words. 209 00:11:13,533 --> 00:11:14,500 In other words, you're alone, you're abandoned, 210 00:11:15,367 --> 00:11:16,333 you're marginal, you're solo. 211 00:11:16,967 --> 00:11:18,500 Pobrecito. 212 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,633 But there was a lot more to cholo culture than just attitude. 213 00:11:23,933 --> 00:11:26,333 It was also the way you walked, the way you talked, 214 00:11:26,333 --> 00:11:28,500 the way you dressed, and the way you adorned your car. 215 00:11:29,967 --> 00:11:34,200 The lowrider car and all that goes with slow and smooth. 216 00:11:34,900 --> 00:11:36,867 You know, laid-back, 217 00:11:36,867 --> 00:11:40,200 sort of walking like you're leaning backwards. 218 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:44,667 It's all part of a new cultural invention and creation. 219 00:11:55,433 --> 00:11:57,567 I grew up around East Los Angeles, 220 00:11:59,233 --> 00:12:04,100 and it was pretty much a norm getting tattooed and seeing tattoos, 221 00:12:04,100 --> 00:12:05,467 and everyone's dads or uncles or somebody in the family 222 00:12:06,167 --> 00:12:07,633 always had tattoos. 223 00:12:09,067 --> 00:12:10,967 People's older brothers or someone would come out of jail 224 00:12:10,967 --> 00:12:12,333 and they'd always have a homemade machine around 225 00:12:13,333 --> 00:12:14,100 and everyone would doodle with it. 226 00:12:15,533 --> 00:12:17,367 Eventually you get good, you know, if you stick with it. 227 00:12:18,933 --> 00:12:20,500 Prison left cholos with plenty of time on their hands. 228 00:12:21,900 --> 00:12:23,267 Guys who had never even thought about art before 229 00:12:24,933 --> 00:12:27,233 now passed the time drawing on letters and handkerchiefs, 230 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:29,567 but the ones who got the most attention 231 00:12:30,700 --> 00:12:31,500 were the guys who could tattoo. 232 00:12:32,333 --> 00:12:37,767 Well, in '65 and '66 in prison, 233 00:12:37,767 --> 00:12:39,633 Chicanismo was just coming into play. 234 00:12:40,967 --> 00:12:43,700 Cesar Chavez was banding together United Farm Workers, 235 00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:45,400 and it was a lot of brown pride, 236 00:12:46,733 --> 00:12:51,000 and so, people started becoming real ethnically aware. 237 00:12:52,433 --> 00:12:56,267 They started putting tattoos of Mexican flags and Mexican women. 238 00:12:57,533 --> 00:13:00,067 They were locked up, and they would, you know, 239 00:13:01,533 --> 00:13:04,100 draw on paper and envelopes the images of what they were into, 240 00:13:05,367 --> 00:13:08,900 which is, you know, stuff that made them think 241 00:13:08,900 --> 00:13:10,233 of their time in the neighborhood 242 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,700 the Virgin Mary their mother had on the wall, 243 00:13:13,700 --> 00:13:15,000 or, you know, that kind of stuff, 244 00:13:16,467 --> 00:13:18,700 and guys would start doing it in prison and then they'd get out 245 00:13:20,333 --> 00:13:21,400 and they started tattooing in the street a little bit like that 246 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,167 because you couldn't really go into a shop 247 00:13:25,567 --> 00:13:28,767 and, you know, get these things that were sacred to them. 248 00:13:31,567 --> 00:13:34,933 You had tattoos that identified you with a particular barrio. 249 00:13:34,933 --> 00:13:35,500 And then when you went to prison, 250 00:13:37,167 --> 00:13:39,033 the other guys that were part of that barrio would make you get one 251 00:13:40,867 --> 00:13:43,700 to sort of show that you were part of their group, of their collective. 252 00:13:44,500 --> 00:13:47,767 So tattoos began to proliferate. 253 00:13:47,767 --> 00:13:49,067 Tattoos were illegal in prison 254 00:13:50,467 --> 00:13:53,433 so you had to have somebody watch out for the guards. 255 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:59,733 I did a little Mexican lady with a sombrero. 256 00:13:59,733 --> 00:14:00,367 And we started in Quentin, 257 00:14:01,767 --> 00:14:06,100 and in '65, your little machines hadn't come into play yet. 258 00:14:06,100 --> 00:14:07,700 So Harry "Super Jew" Ross, a guy from this neighborhood, 259 00:14:09,333 --> 00:14:12,400 a friend of mine, he actually did the outline with needle and thread: 260 00:14:13,533 --> 00:14:15,200 E-string of a guitar in a toothbrush 261 00:14:16,067 --> 00:14:17,367 bang, bang, bang bang bang 262 00:14:19,067 --> 00:14:21,133 which is probably the most painful way in the world to get a tattoo. 263 00:14:25,900 --> 00:14:28,500 Little did Danny Trejo know, 264 00:14:28,500 --> 00:14:31,033 but he was witnessing the start of an entirely new style of tattoo. 265 00:14:32,700 --> 00:14:34,700 And one of the pioneers of that style was Freddy Negrete. 266 00:14:44,100 --> 00:14:47,400 My mother was born of Jewish immigrants in Boyle Heights. 267 00:14:48,267 --> 00:14:50,367 My father was a suave Pachuco, 268 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,033 and my mother also joined a gang, 269 00:14:54,033 --> 00:14:57,400 and both my mother and my father ended up in prison. 270 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,600 So, my sister and I, we ended up in a foster home in San Gabriel, 271 00:15:02,767 --> 00:15:05,800 and I would have to say that all that trauma 272 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,000 made me like a troubled youth, 273 00:15:08,067 --> 00:15:09,500 and I was searching for identity. 274 00:15:09,500 --> 00:15:10,567 Was I white? Was I Mexican? 275 00:15:11,267 --> 00:15:14,067 So by the time I was 12, 276 00:15:14,067 --> 00:15:17,033 I found security in joining a Hispanic gang, 277 00:15:18,233 --> 00:15:21,567 and I went from juvenile hall to boys' homes. 278 00:15:22,733 --> 00:15:24,833 It seemed like the only time that I was out, 279 00:15:24,833 --> 00:15:26,567 I was running away from some boys' home. 280 00:15:30,367 --> 00:15:32,733 And I'd go to my neighborhood and I'd be a crazy gangster, 281 00:15:32,733 --> 00:15:34,400 and then I'd get arrested again. 282 00:15:35,833 --> 00:15:37,367 I was in juvenile hall, and they brought this other guy in. 283 00:15:38,367 --> 00:15:39,500 He was an older guy, maybe 15-16. 284 00:15:40,500 --> 00:15:41,100 He had tattoos all over, you know. 285 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,667 And I was like, "Whoa, man!" I was so impressed. 286 00:15:45,500 --> 00:15:47,367 He was really cool with me, 287 00:15:47,367 --> 00:15:48,600 and he started telling me this is how they do it in prison. 288 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:50,500 That afternoon I got out. 289 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,467 I rigged up that little tattoo needle like he said, 290 00:15:55,467 --> 00:15:57,667 and it wasn't long before I became like the neighborhood tattoo artist. 291 00:15:59,267 --> 00:16:02,233 In prisons, one of the things that separates Chicanos 292 00:16:03,567 --> 00:16:05,500 from other ethnic groups is their sense sharing things. 293 00:16:06,700 --> 00:16:08,500 So that sharing notion, that collective notion 294 00:16:09,533 --> 00:16:12,033 is part of the cultural heritage. 295 00:16:13,333 --> 00:16:15,600 We got the plans from, I remember, Susanville Prison, 296 00:16:17,067 --> 00:16:20,133 on how to make a rotary tattoo machine out of a cassette motor. 297 00:16:22,867 --> 00:16:26,133 In the 1970s, California authorities saw 298 00:16:26,133 --> 00:16:27,567 they could ease the tension from prison overcrowding 299 00:16:29,367 --> 00:16:32,467 by allowing inmates to have cassette players to listen to music. 300 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,433 With a cassette motor, an ordinary pen shaft, 301 00:16:36,533 --> 00:16:39,100 and an E-string from a guitar, 302 00:16:39,100 --> 00:16:42,267 ingenious inmates automated the hand poke tattoo. 303 00:16:43,967 --> 00:16:45,367 The slow speed of the motor allowed the ink to be carried 304 00:16:46,667 --> 00:16:48,367 to the end of the sharpened guitar string. 305 00:16:48,367 --> 00:16:50,000 It was fairly quiet. 306 00:16:50,867 --> 00:16:51,600 It didn't take a lot of power, 307 00:16:53,333 --> 00:16:57,067 so if you put in a good-sized battery behind, it'd last for hours. 308 00:16:57,067 --> 00:16:59,667 To make ink, they'll burn different types of papers. 309 00:17:00,500 --> 00:17:03,667 Bibles, pages out of magazines, 310 00:17:04,233 --> 00:17:06,367 catalogues, 311 00:17:06,367 --> 00:17:09,500 some departmental forms 312 00:17:09,500 --> 00:17:13,867 that the ash, liquefied with water, would get different colors of blacks. 313 00:17:13,867 --> 00:17:16,600 I heard about the fact that if you took the ink 314 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,033 and put it in the window, 315 00:17:19,033 --> 00:17:20,600 it would evaporate and become blacker, 316 00:17:22,267 --> 00:17:24,233 and that if you added a little bit of water or baby oil to the ink, 317 00:17:24,933 --> 00:17:25,433 it would become lighter, 318 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,100 so we were creating black, dark black, grey. 319 00:17:31,333 --> 00:17:32,533 These new tones of black-and-grey ink 320 00:17:34,300 --> 00:17:37,767 gave tattoos a quality of shading and dimension never seen before. 321 00:17:41,833 --> 00:17:43,933 If you were around the Chicano culture at all, 322 00:17:43,933 --> 00:17:45,867 you had seen those images before, 323 00:17:45,867 --> 00:17:47,333 and they were iconic, they were classics. 324 00:17:49,033 --> 00:17:53,033 It was more the expertise that they were rendered with in the skin 325 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,667 that was the most amazing thing about them. 326 00:17:57,667 --> 00:18:01,300 Actually, if it wasn't for the events that took place in youth authority, 327 00:18:01,300 --> 00:18:03,533 I probably would have never become a professional tattoo artist. 328 00:18:04,567 --> 00:18:05,700 I was in Preston School of Industry, 329 00:18:06,667 --> 00:18:07,500 so they had all the trades there, 330 00:18:08,933 --> 00:18:13,067 and I ended up working the camera room in the print shop, 331 00:18:13,067 --> 00:18:15,567 and, you know, one of the homies, he was the foreman. 332 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,800 So he got me in on the print shop thing, 333 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:19,567 and so then we got a few other homies. 334 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,433 So we got all homies from our lodge. 335 00:18:23,433 --> 00:18:24,400 And the teacher of the print shop, 336 00:18:25,567 --> 00:18:27,067 he let us do all kinds of side projects. 337 00:18:28,700 --> 00:18:30,533 I would draw these tattoo designs, all the Chicano style things 338 00:18:31,833 --> 00:18:35,533 the "Smile Now, Cry Later", the charra, skulls. 339 00:18:35,533 --> 00:18:36,167 You know, crazy tattoo stuff, 340 00:18:37,333 --> 00:18:38,267 but it was mostly revolutionary stuff 341 00:18:39,500 --> 00:18:41,133 girls with gun bullets and things like that. 342 00:18:42,833 --> 00:18:44,567 I would draw those up on paper, a good size, we'd reduce them down, 343 00:18:45,633 --> 00:18:46,433 and then we'd print them on stationary, 344 00:18:48,067 --> 00:18:49,700 and down in the corner, there'd be one of the little tattoo designs. 345 00:18:50,967 --> 00:18:52,633 We printed hundreds of thousands of copies of that stuff. 346 00:18:53,467 --> 00:18:54,233 They'd write their letters home, 347 00:18:55,700 --> 00:18:58,100 everybody would mail them to prisons and other institutions 348 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,733 to where my designs made it all over the place. 349 00:19:15,067 --> 00:19:18,067 Jack Rudy grew up in the 1960s near Los Angeles. 350 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:19,233 When he was 17, 351 00:19:20,933 --> 00:19:23,033 he turned his father's electric razor into a tattoo machine. 352 00:19:24,333 --> 00:19:26,633 Yeah, I started tattooing by hand when I was 15. 353 00:19:27,733 --> 00:19:30,167 You know, me and my homeboy Manuel, 354 00:19:30,167 --> 00:19:32,367 we decided to tattoo ourselves one fine day. 355 00:19:33,567 --> 00:19:36,967 And so, we're at my mom's house, you know. 356 00:19:36,967 --> 00:19:39,267 Found a good sharp sewing needle, 357 00:19:40,500 --> 00:19:42,167 and, you know, wrapped some thread around it 358 00:19:43,233 --> 00:19:45,000 'cause that's what someone said to do, 359 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,767 and we he put mom on three of his four fingers, 360 00:19:48,767 --> 00:19:49,467 and I did that tarantula. 361 00:19:50,633 --> 00:19:52,500 That's the first tattoo I ever did right there. 362 00:19:53,667 --> 00:19:56,100 Jack did have like kind of a Chicano background. 363 00:19:57,333 --> 00:19:59,700 He was brought up in a Chicano neighborhood. 364 00:20:00,533 --> 00:20:03,867 Ochentas in the airport area, 365 00:20:03,867 --> 00:20:06,167 and that's how he got his nickname "Huero" 366 00:20:06,167 --> 00:20:09,267 because he was a white guy and he was into the lowrider cars. 367 00:20:09,267 --> 00:20:11,233 He was kind of like the non-gangster kind of Hispanic. 368 00:20:12,233 --> 00:20:14,000 We used to call them Continentals. 369 00:20:15,267 --> 00:20:17,733 My Dad used to call me Huero when I was a kid. 370 00:20:17,733 --> 00:20:20,733 I was adopted, but my dad was Mexican, 371 00:20:20,733 --> 00:20:22,233 and so he called me that because I was. 372 00:20:23,700 --> 00:20:28,367 You know, and when I was 18 and went in the Marine Corps, 373 00:20:28,367 --> 00:20:31,833 turned 19 in boot camp and got out with my friend, Terry, 374 00:20:31,833 --> 00:20:34,867 who wanted me to tattoo him when we got out. 375 00:20:34,867 --> 00:20:37,667 And my machine was like shocking me, kind of. 376 00:20:39,133 --> 00:20:40,233 It wasn't working right, so I go, "Hey, let's go down the Pike" 377 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,333 and see if there's anybody good down there." 378 00:20:43,333 --> 00:20:46,600 So we go down there, went into "Long Beach Tattoo Studio," 379 00:20:47,900 --> 00:20:50,100 where Good-Time Charlie just happened to be working. 380 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:52,233 We walked over and we seen this like long-haired 381 00:20:53,100 --> 00:20:53,567 biker-looking dude, you know, 382 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:55,033 real cool-looking and stuff, 383 00:20:56,533 --> 00:20:58,300 was like, "Oh, this guy looks cool, man. Let's hit him up." 384 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:00,467 Terry hits him up. He's got a design. 385 00:21:01,500 --> 00:21:02,333 Hey, can you do this, and all this? 386 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,067 And he's like, "Yeah, yeah, I'll do that for you, no problem." 387 00:21:06,533 --> 00:21:07,167 And he goes like, "Yeah, but I don't want no color in it, man." 388 00:21:07,767 --> 00:21:08,100 Is that cool?" 389 00:21:09,533 --> 00:21:11,267 And he goes, "Yeah I like doin' 'em without any color." 390 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,167 So that blew our minds right there 'cause in those days, that was rare. 391 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,500 Nobody really wanted a tattoo without color. 392 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,000 I really always liked tattoos that were just black and skin 393 00:21:26,467 --> 00:21:29,333 and whatever it took in between there in the form of shading. 394 00:21:30,733 --> 00:21:32,767 Pretty shading to me made all the difference in the world. 395 00:21:34,367 --> 00:21:35,500 Charlie was a hand poke tattooer. 396 00:21:36,967 --> 00:21:39,200 He grew up in Kansas in a strictly religious family. 397 00:21:40,033 --> 00:21:40,433 His father was a preacher 398 00:21:41,900 --> 00:21:43,633 who came from a long line of Pentecostal ministers. 399 00:21:45,100 --> 00:21:47,533 He wasn't too pleased when he found out his youngest son 400 00:21:47,533 --> 00:21:51,067 was being tattooed by Charlie. 401 00:21:51,067 --> 00:21:54,333 I was warned by him not to tattoo my younger brother again, 402 00:21:55,033 --> 00:21:56,367 which I did repeatedly. 403 00:21:57,533 --> 00:22:01,233 And he discovered it at some point later on, 404 00:22:02,233 --> 00:22:04,967 and I was gone a lot in those days, 405 00:22:04,967 --> 00:22:07,100 and so, when I did come back home to see the family, 406 00:22:08,500 --> 00:22:10,467 I was met with an uppercut when I walked into the kitchen. 407 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,767 And so, to this day, my jaw still pops. 408 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,233 I slid down the wall, got up, and says, "Well, okay, I'm leaving!" 409 00:22:22,233 --> 00:22:24,733 And he came after me a couple weeks later and said, 410 00:22:24,733 --> 00:22:25,400 Your mom wants you to come home. 411 00:22:27,100 --> 00:22:31,433 And I says, "Well, are we ever going to talk about tattoos again?" 412 00:22:31,433 --> 00:22:32,500 'Cause, " I says, " I don't know how to explain it to you, Dad, 413 00:22:33,833 --> 00:22:35,500 but I'm always gonna dig them, and I always will." 414 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:37,767 All right, folks, step right up. Step right up here. 415 00:22:40,067 --> 00:22:41,600 When I came to California, I couldn't quite figure out 416 00:22:43,067 --> 00:22:47,067 how to fit into the professional scheme of things, tattoo-wise. 417 00:22:48,467 --> 00:22:51,100 When I realized that most professionals were quite Carney 418 00:22:51,933 --> 00:22:53,067 in their approach to tattooing, 419 00:22:54,067 --> 00:22:56,233 I just kind of was repulsed by it. 420 00:22:57,700 --> 00:22:59,333 Charlie came to me for the first job that he got in tattooing, 421 00:23:00,033 --> 00:23:00,600 professional tattooing, 422 00:23:01,433 --> 00:23:02,033 and I put him with Captain Jim, 423 00:23:03,733 --> 00:23:06,667 and Captain Jim put him down at the shop on the Pike, the 362 Shop. 424 00:23:08,100 --> 00:23:10,100 He told Jim up front, he said, "I'm gonna learn this way" 425 00:23:11,233 --> 00:23:12,367 because he had never used tattoo machines. 426 00:23:13,733 --> 00:23:15,467 His hand poke was as good as anybody's machine work 427 00:23:16,167 --> 00:23:16,333 any day of the week. 428 00:23:17,333 --> 00:23:17,667 You couldn't tell the difference. 429 00:23:19,033 --> 00:23:19,567 He said as soon as he got the information he needed, 430 00:23:20,567 --> 00:23:21,467 he was going to open his own shop. 431 00:23:21,467 --> 00:23:22,667 He was upfront about that. 432 00:23:24,100 --> 00:23:28,700 So, Charlie tattooed my friend, and we hit it off real good. 433 00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:30,233 He was over at the side doodling. 434 00:23:31,733 --> 00:23:34,433 I picked that up, and I thought, 435 00:23:34,433 --> 00:23:38,067 "Well, I'm probably looking at maybe 8 or 10 styles of gang writing," 436 00:23:38,867 --> 00:23:40,267 a real nice cursive name, 437 00:23:41,300 --> 00:23:42,567 maybe a touch of realism in over here 438 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:44,667 and some cartooning, blah-blah-blah. 439 00:23:46,133 --> 00:23:47,633 And I thought, "Well, this guy really has something to offer." 440 00:23:48,767 --> 00:23:50,100 And at one point, I remember telling him, 441 00:23:51,567 --> 00:23:52,433 "Hey, you know where I think would be a really great shop?" 442 00:23:53,500 --> 00:23:56,167 A really great location for a shop? 443 00:23:56,167 --> 00:23:59,633 And he's like, "Where?" And I said, "East LA, man. 444 00:23:59,633 --> 00:24:01,700 Like, between the low-riders, and cholos, and people over there, 445 00:24:02,700 --> 00:24:04,367 "man, that'd be a great, great place." 446 00:24:05,700 --> 00:24:07,100 And he just like kind of smiled, you know, and he goes, 447 00:24:08,300 --> 00:24:09,467 "Wow, man, I've been thinking the same thing." 448 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:11,367 I'm going to open a shop over there one of these days, 449 00:24:12,867 --> 00:24:15,567 and when I do, you know, how'd you like to come work for me? 450 00:24:16,767 --> 00:24:18,233 I said, "If you give me your grandma's number" 451 00:24:18,967 --> 00:24:19,367 or your mama's number, 452 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,000 somebody who will always know where you are, 453 00:24:23,300 --> 00:24:25,400 "and when the time is right, I'll break you in." 454 00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:27,100 And he said, "Yeah?" 455 00:24:28,267 --> 00:24:30,033 And I said, "But if you even ask me once", 456 00:24:31,300 --> 00:24:32,767 'When are we going to get started?' it's off." 457 00:24:35,433 --> 00:24:39,067 Charlie Cartwright, Jack Rudy, and Freddy Negrete 458 00:24:39,067 --> 00:24:41,033 were on three separate paths that would soon collide. 459 00:24:52,900 --> 00:24:56,200 In the 1970s, Whittier Boulevard was Main Street 460 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,667 for Southern California's Chicano culture. 461 00:24:58,667 --> 00:25:00,700 Everyone brought their best. 462 00:25:06,367 --> 00:25:08,167 David Oropeza grew up in Compton, 463 00:25:09,933 --> 00:25:13,033 but on weekend nights you could find him on Whittier Boulevard, 464 00:25:13,033 --> 00:25:13,367 Everything happened at the Boulevard, 465 00:25:14,467 --> 00:25:14,700 and the Boulevard happened at night. 466 00:25:16,100 --> 00:25:19,200 Sunday night was the best night, and you would start early 467 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:20,700 polishing the car, getting your clothes ready. 468 00:25:21,533 --> 00:25:23,400 I mean, you've gotta impress. 469 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,167 When we came out here, it was almost like a competition. 470 00:25:26,367 --> 00:25:28,367 Everybody wanted to see what you came up with. 471 00:25:28,367 --> 00:25:30,133 Cars would line up. 472 00:25:30,133 --> 00:25:31,100 Sometimes it would take an hour just to cruise the boulevard, 473 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:32,433 you would move so slow. 474 00:25:33,133 --> 00:25:34,700 You bump your music. 475 00:25:39,700 --> 00:25:41,033 If you wanted trouble, you would find it here at the boulevard. 476 00:25:42,333 --> 00:25:43,500 If you wanted love, you would find it here, too. 477 00:25:44,033 --> 00:25:45,267 It's here. 478 00:25:47,367 --> 00:25:48,100 That was like a dream for me, you know, 479 00:25:49,433 --> 00:25:52,467 to be seeing those cars cruising on Whittier Boulevard 480 00:25:53,767 --> 00:25:57,067 and just seeing all of those crazy candy apple colors 481 00:25:57,067 --> 00:25:58,167 and the guys walking up in between the cars 482 00:25:59,333 --> 00:26:02,700 selling sherm sticks and marijuana smoke. 483 00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:04,333 It was a beautiful thing over there, man. 484 00:26:05,033 --> 00:26:05,300 Everything was here. 485 00:26:06,733 --> 00:26:08,400 I mean, the boulevard, she gave everything to you, you know. 486 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,100 It's what you made it. 487 00:26:10,100 --> 00:26:11,100 You wanted to have a good time, you could have a good time. 488 00:26:12,933 --> 00:26:16,433 In 1974, Charlie Cartwright began cruising Whittier Boulevard as well, 489 00:26:17,867 --> 00:26:19,433 looking for a location to open his first tattoo shop. 490 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,533 His friends thought he was crazy. 491 00:26:22,533 --> 00:26:24,267 There was a lot of skepticism 492 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,200 because they said, "There's no money there." 493 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,400 And no one's tattooed in East Los Angeles 494 00:26:31,100 --> 00:26:32,233 "since World War II." 495 00:26:33,533 --> 00:26:35,467 And I said, "I know it's tattoo heaven right there." 496 00:26:36,467 --> 00:26:39,733 And I looked every day for a year. 497 00:26:39,733 --> 00:26:43,033 But when I found it, I just I knew. 498 00:26:43,033 --> 00:26:45,533 I got shivers up my back. I knew that was the spot. 499 00:26:46,367 --> 00:26:47,233 In the summer of '75, 500 00:26:48,667 --> 00:26:50,233 Charlie made good on his promise to call Jack Rudy, 501 00:26:51,667 --> 00:26:52,400 They started working together, 502 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,433 using an unusual approach with their customers. 503 00:26:56,867 --> 00:26:59,333 I just thought, "I'm just going to do custom stuff, period." 504 00:27:00,333 --> 00:27:01,100 Whatever they want. Who cares? 505 00:27:02,300 --> 00:27:04,100 Whatever they want, just give it to them. 506 00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:05,400 Give them the haircut they want, you know? 507 00:27:06,733 --> 00:27:12,133 So I became the gopher, helper, tattooer, all in one, 508 00:27:12,133 --> 00:27:13,567 and started that summer with him like that, 509 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,533 and, you know, man, it took off. 510 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,100 I remember this guy, Johnny Caranza, 511 00:27:22,467 --> 00:27:24,100 the first guy I ever tattooed, was a friend of mine. 512 00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:25,233 And he goes like, he goes, 513 00:27:26,533 --> 00:27:28,633 Hey, you been doing a little practicing, right? 514 00:27:28,633 --> 00:27:30,367 I go, "Oh, yeah, homes. Charlie's been bringing me some winos to work on." 515 00:27:31,167 --> 00:27:32,700 Which was not true at all. 516 00:27:34,267 --> 00:27:37,067 But it sounded good, and I didn't want Johnny to be too nervous 517 00:27:37,067 --> 00:27:40,367 and go like, "Well, I don't want your first one, man!" 518 00:27:40,367 --> 00:27:41,667 And I think I had the machine probably running a little hard. 519 00:27:43,033 --> 00:27:44,033 And Johnny was talking and moving all over the place, 520 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:46,633 and man, I'm lucky that thing came out okay at all! 521 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,367 In those days, professional tattoo machines 522 00:27:52,700 --> 00:27:54,467 usually had between three and seven needles. 523 00:27:56,067 --> 00:27:57,367 Tattoo artists called them by the number of needles they had 524 00:27:58,533 --> 00:28:00,567 such as "threes", "fours", and "fives". 525 00:28:01,933 --> 00:28:04,167 But there was a lot pressure to make thinner lines. 526 00:28:05,833 --> 00:28:08,233 It was our customers that kept requesting fine-line, single needle, 527 00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:09,567 you know, like guitar string. 528 00:28:11,167 --> 00:28:12,700 "Hey, can you vatos do, you know, like they do in the Pinta." 529 00:28:13,733 --> 00:28:15,167 The, you know, extra-fine line action? 530 00:28:16,367 --> 00:28:19,333 It was like, "Yeah, man, we're working on it." 531 00:28:19,333 --> 00:28:21,033 So we tried making threes and really making them tight. 532 00:28:22,533 --> 00:28:24,033 And in those days, you know, everybody made their own needles, 533 00:28:25,867 --> 00:28:28,267 and, well, one day we just like, we're looking at a three, and just realized, 534 00:28:29,467 --> 00:28:30,100 "Well, hell, if you just take one of them" 535 00:28:31,267 --> 00:28:32,433 and pull it forward past the other two, 536 00:28:33,633 --> 00:28:35,267 like, say a quarter-an-inch, there you go. 537 00:28:37,067 --> 00:28:38,400 And so the two needles on the bottom, because it was like a triangle, 538 00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:41,233 it helped feed that ink, and it worked like a champ. 539 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,200 So that's how modern single needle was born. 540 00:28:45,633 --> 00:28:49,667 With a faster motor, Charlie and Jack's single needles 541 00:28:50,833 --> 00:28:52,067 produced the quality of a prison tattoo 542 00:28:53,767 --> 00:28:55,500 in a fraction of the time that it would take in the joint. 543 00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:57,100 One of their first customers 544 00:28:58,367 --> 00:28:59,500 turned out to be one of their most memorable. 545 00:29:00,633 --> 00:29:02,500 He went by the name of Poco Loco. 546 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:08,000 Remember the time we did our first collaborative tattoo? 547 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,500 - Poco was this broad. - Yeah, and he wanted a big. 548 00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:12,600 Roses all the way across his back. 549 00:29:13,767 --> 00:29:16,133 Charlie was on one side, and I was on the other, 550 00:29:16,133 --> 00:29:18,300 and we met in the middle, and Poco, his teeth were chattering. 551 00:29:19,500 --> 00:29:21,900 He was just like, "Man." He couldn't. 552 00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:24,333 Stereophonic tattooing in stereophonic pain. 553 00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:34,033 In 1977, the second ever tattoo convention 554 00:29:35,133 --> 00:29:36,033 was planned for Reno, Nevada. 555 00:29:37,467 --> 00:29:39,367 The first one, held the previous year in Houston, 556 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:41,700 wasn't well attended. 557 00:29:42,867 --> 00:29:44,167 This time would be a different story. 558 00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:47,100 San Francisco tattoo artist Ed Hardy 559 00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:51,100 was scheduled as the keynote speaker for the Reno event. 560 00:29:52,567 --> 00:29:56,300 Ed grew up near San Diego in Corona Del Mar. 561 00:29:56,300 --> 00:29:59,700 Knowing from a very young age that he wanted to be an artist, 562 00:29:59,700 --> 00:30:01,400 he became obsessed with tattooing when he was 10-years-old, 563 00:30:03,433 --> 00:30:06,100 He began painting fake tattoos on the kids in the neighborhood. 564 00:30:07,567 --> 00:30:09,433 Whenever they could, the boys made trips up to the Pike 565 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,233 to see how the pros did it. 566 00:30:12,533 --> 00:30:13,100 We'd go up on a Greyhound and hang-out all day, 567 00:30:14,233 --> 00:30:15,133 and I'd watch these guys get tattooed. 568 00:30:16,167 --> 00:30:17,333 And Bert Grimm's was the most flashy. 569 00:30:18,567 --> 00:30:20,267 It had the most, you know, tattoo look to it. 570 00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:22,900 The whole Carney kind of a vibe. 571 00:30:22,900 --> 00:30:24,567 Big windows filled with super powerful flash. 572 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,100 The whole thing was mesmerizing. 573 00:30:28,567 --> 00:30:30,367 Ed Hardy graduated from the San Francisco Art Institute 574 00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:31,667 in 1967. 575 00:30:33,733 --> 00:30:35,200 He turned down a teaching fellowship at Yale University 576 00:30:36,333 --> 00:30:38,733 to return to his first love tattoo. 577 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,200 Inspired by Japanese tattoo collectors 578 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,600 who covered themselves with what they called "bodysuits", 579 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,333 Hardy's work pushed the boundaries of color and concept. 580 00:30:50,233 --> 00:30:53,167 He built a reputation by introducing the Japanese style of large tattoos 581 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,767 with coherent Western themes. 582 00:30:57,467 --> 00:30:58,567 Like Charlie Cartwright, 583 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,500 Ed Hardy thought the customer should have more say so 584 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,167 in the design of their tattoo. 585 00:31:05,533 --> 00:31:08,367 I came back from Japan and opened "Realistic Tattoo," 586 00:31:10,033 --> 00:31:12,667 which was the first appointment-only totally custom tattoo studio 587 00:31:13,367 --> 00:31:14,000 that I know of anywhere. 588 00:31:15,367 --> 00:31:16,333 And my whole premise was, "We have reference stuff, 589 00:31:17,167 --> 00:31:19,367 but you come in with your idea." 590 00:31:19,367 --> 00:31:21,167 That's what my first business card, the punch line on it was, 591 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:23,433 Wear your dreams, and that was my attitude. 592 00:31:24,733 --> 00:31:26,667 By the time the Reno convention rolled around, 593 00:31:26,667 --> 00:31:28,167 Ed Hardy had established himself 594 00:31:29,567 --> 00:31:31,067 as one of their premier tattoo artists in the world. 595 00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:34,100 We decided to go to this convention. 596 00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:35,167 It was really the first big convention that had been thrown, 597 00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:37,567 and we thought, "Well, we want to go in there and really, you know", 598 00:31:38,733 --> 00:31:40,100 strut our stuff and blow everybody's minds." 599 00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:42,167 We had the ammo to do it. 600 00:31:42,167 --> 00:31:43,067 We had people with, you know, extreme tattoos 601 00:31:43,867 --> 00:31:44,233 that nobody had ever seen 602 00:31:45,667 --> 00:31:48,167 in terms of the workmanship and subject matter and finesse. 603 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,167 They drew some good crowds there. 604 00:31:51,967 --> 00:31:54,600 Back in East LA, Jack Rudy convinced Charlie Cartwright and Poco Loco 605 00:31:55,767 --> 00:31:57,000 to go to Reno just to have a look around. 606 00:31:58,933 --> 00:32:00,500 Chuck Eldridge was part of Ed Hardy's group. 607 00:32:01,167 --> 00:32:03,100 It was a big deal, 608 00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:07,567 and I think it was probably late Saturday or maybe early Sunday, 609 00:32:09,300 --> 00:32:12,700 Charlie Cartwright, Jack Rudy, and two or three of their customers 610 00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:14,433 came onto the convention floor. 611 00:32:15,133 --> 00:32:16,000 And everybody saw them, 612 00:32:17,433 --> 00:32:20,167 and all of a sudden there became this kind of crowd around them, 613 00:32:21,467 --> 00:32:23,767 like, you know, people amazed by this tattooing. 614 00:32:24,833 --> 00:32:26,633 I can remember them walking by, 615 00:32:27,933 --> 00:32:28,433 and they weren't like threatening-looking guys, 616 00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:30,433 but they all, you know, the beards and the whole. 617 00:32:31,533 --> 00:32:32,100 They were just in a different world 618 00:32:33,700 --> 00:32:36,667 than what us sort of art school escapees, you know, and hipsters. 619 00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:39,533 Our street cred was a little different. 620 00:32:39,533 --> 00:32:41,100 And these guys walked through, 621 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,600 and I remembered that I saw Poco Loco from the back, 622 00:32:44,867 --> 00:32:45,667 and he had I think he had the end of the trail, 623 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,767 that classic painting of the Indian on the horse, 624 00:32:49,767 --> 00:32:51,833 you know, with his lance down. 625 00:32:51,833 --> 00:32:52,333 We just didn't know what to make of it. 626 00:32:53,767 --> 00:32:56,167 It was kind of like, "What's going on? This is so crazy!" 627 00:32:57,300 --> 00:32:57,500 You know, and we jumped out of the booth, 628 00:32:58,567 --> 00:32:59,100 introduced ourselves to these guys. 629 00:33:00,533 --> 00:33:03,000 They were all friendly. We were all excited to meet each other. 630 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,167 Well, as those guys approached us, and Ed tells me, 631 00:33:06,167 --> 00:33:08,033 he says, "Well, this is just blowing my mind." 632 00:33:08,733 --> 00:33:09,033 And I says, "What?" 633 00:33:10,767 --> 00:33:14,500 And he says, "The work that's walking around on this fat guy here." 634 00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:15,500 We had built a clever booth, 635 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,100 and we had presented it in a really killer fashion, 636 00:33:18,767 --> 00:33:20,767 but it wasn't new. 637 00:33:23,333 --> 00:33:27,733 Whereas Jack and Charlie's stuff was really new. 638 00:33:27,733 --> 00:33:29,567 And it was like we had to reconfigure, 639 00:33:30,367 --> 00:33:31,067 like, "Okay, let's set" 640 00:33:32,533 --> 00:33:36,000 not change course at that moment like we want to do that work, 641 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,367 but it just made us rethink what we were aware of 642 00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:41,267 that would be interesting and challenging 643 00:33:41,967 --> 00:33:42,600 and beautiful and cool. 644 00:33:43,933 --> 00:33:47,500 It was a major, major kind of sea-change in tattooing. 645 00:33:48,367 --> 00:33:49,433 These guys were doing tattoos 646 00:33:50,700 --> 00:33:53,100 that were the kind of the birth of photo-realism. 647 00:33:54,333 --> 00:33:57,733 We had all seen that work come into our shop 648 00:33:57,733 --> 00:33:59,700 on prisoners, ex-prisoners, 649 00:34:00,700 --> 00:34:03,167 Chicano people that came from LA, 650 00:34:04,033 --> 00:34:05,167 and big Chicano neighborhoods 651 00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:07,067 where there were tattooers doing that. 652 00:34:08,167 --> 00:34:09,667 But we hadn't seen it done in a shop. 653 00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:16,067 Normally, you had to go do time to get a piece of that work. 654 00:34:16,067 --> 00:34:19,100 So that '11 convention was a big pivoting point, I think, 655 00:34:19,833 --> 00:34:20,667 in American tattooing. 656 00:34:26,467 --> 00:34:28,033 And it so impressed Hardy, 657 00:34:29,333 --> 00:34:32,100 and, of course, him being Mr. American Tattooer, 658 00:34:32,967 --> 00:34:36,033 he was just all excited about, 659 00:34:36,033 --> 00:34:37,267 Well, would it be okay to come visit? 660 00:34:38,067 --> 00:34:38,600 And I said, "Well, yeah!" 661 00:34:42,033 --> 00:34:43,500 And the next thing you know, him and Malone and Bob Roberts 662 00:34:44,833 --> 00:34:46,500 came down to East LA and started getting tattooed by us 663 00:34:47,567 --> 00:34:50,333 and wanted to learn that style as well. 664 00:34:50,333 --> 00:34:52,067 And It was a trip because these were heavy, heavy hitters. 665 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,833 For them to be like the first legitimate tattooers 666 00:34:56,833 --> 00:34:58,633 to jump on the single-needle bandwagon 667 00:34:58,633 --> 00:34:59,167 that was history, 668 00:35:00,033 --> 00:35:01,567 but we still didn't realize it 669 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,767 the kind of repercussions it was gonna have. 670 00:35:07,467 --> 00:35:09,633 And I was blown away by it when I first saw how much detail 671 00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:15,200 and just how clean and how nice this work looked. 672 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,467 You know, to us, it was really a whole new tool. 673 00:35:17,833 --> 00:35:20,400 I mean, we just didn't do black-and-grey joint-style 674 00:35:20,967 --> 00:35:22,100 or cholo-style. 675 00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:24,367 You know, I used it for everything. 676 00:35:25,100 --> 00:35:27,100 Bob and I immediately, 677 00:35:28,567 --> 00:35:29,400 you know, learned how to do kind of gang writing from Jack 678 00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:33,267 because I was fascinated with the whole calligraphic aspect. 679 00:35:33,267 --> 00:35:34,333 I always loved writing in tattoos. I loved slogans. 680 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,833 I loved it from the old days, 681 00:35:36,833 --> 00:35:37,633 you know, "Death or Glory", all that stuff, 682 00:35:39,067 --> 00:35:41,367 and these guys were doing, you know, fantastic lettering. 683 00:35:42,833 --> 00:35:46,333 I mean, huge letters with the gang in the giant block letters. 684 00:35:47,633 --> 00:35:49,467 They were just such cool things as art pieces, you know? 685 00:35:51,167 --> 00:35:52,367 So I was always very conscious of all the implications to this thing 686 00:35:53,367 --> 00:35:54,100 above and beyond the tattoo world. 687 00:35:55,833 --> 00:35:58,400 And so it was just me and Charlie six days a week 688 00:35:59,233 --> 00:36:02,133 like 6:00 to midnight, okay? 689 00:36:02,133 --> 00:36:03,467 And we never got out of there at midnight unless it was dead. 690 00:36:04,467 --> 00:36:06,200 I was the kind of guy that would 691 00:36:07,333 --> 00:36:10,367 I would stay there until the last dog died, 692 00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:15,533 and if someone was in there before we locked the door at 1:00 a.m., 693 00:36:16,233 --> 00:36:18,233 we'd take care of them, 694 00:36:18,233 --> 00:36:20,567 even if was 7:00 a.m. when they got out of there, 695 00:36:21,633 --> 00:36:24,333 and that meant we'd be there, too, 696 00:36:24,333 --> 00:36:29,200 so I spent many nights decorating the homies until the sun came up. 697 00:36:31,567 --> 00:36:35,767 And then all of a sudden, Jack called me, and he said, 698 00:36:35,767 --> 00:36:37,467 Charlie's gonna quit tattooing! 699 00:36:37,467 --> 00:36:39,100 And Jack was just freaked! 700 00:36:40,533 --> 00:36:41,667 He was like, "I don't know what I'm going to do, homes!" 701 00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:47,067 And I was like, "Jesus! Well, okay." 702 00:36:47,633 --> 00:36:49,000 Sometime in '77, 703 00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:55,567 Charlie decided he was going to move back to Kansas. 704 00:36:55,567 --> 00:36:57,100 Yeah, so I was... 705 00:36:57,100 --> 00:37:00,500 I started on a kind of a spiritual quest there, 706 00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:03,700 you know, figure out what it was all about, 707 00:37:04,867 --> 00:37:08,467 because I already had the house on the corner, 708 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,600 and the pick-up truck, and the wife that loved me, 709 00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:14,533 and three healthy kids. 710 00:37:15,733 --> 00:37:19,233 I took about, well, a couple of years off, 711 00:37:20,667 --> 00:37:24,633 to really get to know my family on a real a deeper level. 712 00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:26,167 I had a little money stashed away, 713 00:37:27,633 --> 00:37:29,433 and I thought, "Well, I don't want that shop to disappear." 714 00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:31,033 I don't want that style to disappear," 715 00:37:32,033 --> 00:37:35,133 because that shop was the cookpot, 716 00:37:35,133 --> 00:37:37,367 that was the witch's cauldron for this thing to be happening. 717 00:37:38,567 --> 00:37:40,067 Ed Hardy ended up buying the business from him, 718 00:37:41,267 --> 00:37:42,500 and then I think right before Charlie left 719 00:37:44,133 --> 00:37:49,500 was when we were seeing this work from Freddy Negrete, El Coyote. 720 00:37:50,633 --> 00:37:51,333 So after I got out of the Youth Authority, 721 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,233 I set up shop in my apartment, 722 00:37:54,067 --> 00:37:55,433 all I would hear from everybody 723 00:37:56,900 --> 00:38:00,367 was about this new tattoo shop on Whittier Boulevard in East LA 724 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,700 that was doing prison-style tattoos, because people would come and say, 725 00:38:04,700 --> 00:38:05,700 Yeah, I got this at Good-Time Charlie's. 726 00:38:06,467 --> 00:38:08,267 You know, "Huero did t." 727 00:38:08,267 --> 00:38:09,633 So I noticed, "Okay, there's this guy Huero there", 728 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:16,433 and he seems to be on the right track with the homie tattoos, you know? 729 00:38:16,433 --> 00:38:18,600 I would tattoo people, and I would send him to "Good-Time Charlie's." 730 00:38:19,767 --> 00:38:21,200 I'd say, "Go over there and show him this." 731 00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:22,367 It was just amazing! 732 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,067 And it was like, "Wow! Who is this guy? And is he on the street?" 733 00:38:26,533 --> 00:38:28,567 And they said, "Yeah, he lives in Pico Nuevo or something", 734 00:38:29,767 --> 00:38:31,167 and he's from Sangra, you know, San Gabriel." 735 00:38:32,633 --> 00:38:33,133 And it was like, "Well, you know, hey, send him down, man." 736 00:38:34,767 --> 00:38:36,767 "I'd like to talk to this guy and, you know, meet him and stuff." 737 00:38:39,167 --> 00:38:41,333 Finally somebody came and told me, 738 00:38:41,333 --> 00:38:43,300 Huero wants you to go to the tattoo shop, he wants to meet you. 739 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,233 The first thing I notice was that up on the wall in their flash 740 00:38:51,367 --> 00:38:52,167 they had some of my designs, you know? 741 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,233 And I was like, "Hey, I drew that!" 742 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:56,567 And Jack tells me, "Everybody says that." 743 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:58,333 You know, everybody says that their uncle 744 00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:00,167 "or somebody in prison drew this thing." 745 00:39:00,867 --> 00:39:01,533 I go, "No, I drew that." 746 00:39:03,167 --> 00:39:04,500 And I showed him the original drawing I had with me in a folder. 747 00:39:05,167 --> 00:39:06,600 So he auditioned. 748 00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:10,300 You know, I set him up some machines, 749 00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:13,000 and he worked on one of his homeboys in the back room. 750 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,600 One of the tricks that I learned when I was in Tamarac 751 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,667 was that we didn't always have ditto paper. 752 00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:23,367 And, by the way, let me just say that the whole ditto paper thing 753 00:39:24,033 --> 00:39:24,500 started in prison. 754 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,233 That's what we used. 755 00:39:27,333 --> 00:39:28,333 Now that's normal for tattoo shops. 756 00:39:29,467 --> 00:39:30,633 Everybody uses ditto and ditto master, 757 00:39:31,467 --> 00:39:31,700 but we didn't always have that, 758 00:39:32,967 --> 00:39:34,700 and we had to use the dittos over and over and over. 759 00:39:36,267 --> 00:39:41,033 So what I did was I found different ways to memorize in my mind 760 00:39:41,733 --> 00:39:43,300 how to execute a design. 761 00:39:44,333 --> 00:39:46,600 And, first of all, like a rose... 762 00:39:47,733 --> 00:39:48,633 If I was gonna do a rose, I always started 763 00:39:49,833 --> 00:39:51,500 with this funny E-looking thing in the middle 764 00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:53,133 and then went around and around 765 00:39:54,467 --> 00:39:55,467 so that I could actually do the design on somebody 766 00:39:56,867 --> 00:39:59,500 without drawing anything, without having any stencil. 767 00:40:00,667 --> 00:40:02,567 And another thing I learned, I taught myself, 768 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,667 was how to do a girl's face. 769 00:40:05,733 --> 00:40:06,567 I would always start with one eye. 770 00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:08,433 Get that eye perfect, 771 00:40:09,867 --> 00:40:12,067 and then I'd know exactly where to put the nose bridge, 772 00:40:12,067 --> 00:40:14,767 the other eye, the nostrils, the lips. 773 00:40:14,767 --> 00:40:17,033 So, I would build off that eye. 774 00:40:17,033 --> 00:40:19,700 So, I was gonna show off a little bit. 775 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:21,067 So, when Jack said... 776 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,933 Okay, so I brought my homie in there and he goes, 777 00:40:23,933 --> 00:40:25,200 "Well, pick any design you want." 778 00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:29,233 I want it to be kind of a good size or whatever. 779 00:40:29,233 --> 00:40:32,433 And I was like, "No, no, I don't need any design." 780 00:40:32,433 --> 00:40:34,600 He goes, "Oh, okay. Well, what I do a lot is draw it on first with a pen." 781 00:40:36,067 --> 00:40:37,700 I go, "No, I don't even need a pen," and he's like, "What?" 782 00:40:39,167 --> 00:40:41,100 He goes, "You're gonna do it just like that without a stencil?" 783 00:40:43,267 --> 00:40:46,000 Ans just did a beautiful freehand piece of a girl's face 784 00:40:46,667 --> 00:40:47,433 on this guy's arm. 785 00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:49,467 No stencil, no drawing, no nothing. 786 00:40:50,300 --> 00:40:51,700 Just started tattooing the guy, 787 00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:53,433 and so, he got hired on the spot. 788 00:40:54,133 --> 00:40:55,467 Now, for the first time, 789 00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,100 tattooers were going to let a cholo gangster tattoo professional. 790 00:41:00,933 --> 00:41:01,333 He was part of that culture. 791 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,067 He was a genuine, genuine guy. 792 00:41:04,067 --> 00:41:05,367 Jack knew about it, and Jack was part of it, 793 00:41:05,367 --> 00:41:06,633 but not like Freddy. 794 00:41:10,167 --> 00:41:13,467 I remember the first time Ed Hardy came down to meet me, you know. 795 00:41:13,467 --> 00:41:14,700 Boy, what a culture shock. 796 00:41:15,867 --> 00:41:19,100 And I remember when he came in, and he's like, 797 00:41:20,133 --> 00:41:22,400 Oh, Freddy, here's some of my work. 798 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,500 And when I saw these tattoos, this shit blew me away. 799 00:41:28,533 --> 00:41:29,667 I almost came flying out of my socks. 800 00:41:30,367 --> 00:41:31,233 I was like, "What?" 801 00:41:32,433 --> 00:41:33,600 First of all, it was backpiece after backpiece. 802 00:41:34,767 --> 00:41:36,367 I didn't even know what a backpiece was. 803 00:41:36,367 --> 00:41:37,100 Our thing was this: 804 00:41:38,267 --> 00:41:39,433 You put a tattoo here, you put one there, 805 00:41:40,867 --> 00:41:43,833 you fit another one in here, one there, just like my tattoos, 806 00:41:43,833 --> 00:41:45,667 until you're all covered with tattoos all around. 807 00:41:46,267 --> 00:41:46,367 Little badges. 808 00:41:47,833 --> 00:41:50,467 Ed Hardy's the one that named them "Badge-Style Tattoos." 809 00:41:51,900 --> 00:41:55,100 But, you know, a whole back, one picture on a whole back, 810 00:41:56,533 --> 00:41:57,600 a whole thing on somebody's arm, you know, these suits. 811 00:41:58,433 --> 00:41:59,633 I never saw Japanese tattooing. 812 00:42:00,333 --> 00:42:01,100 I never saw tattooness, 813 00:42:02,533 --> 00:42:03,100 and then Ed Hardy's like, "Hey, look what I'm doing, homes", 814 00:42:04,500 --> 00:42:07,167 with black and grey, mixing black and grey and color." 815 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,667 And now, all of a sudden, he had this crazy skeleton guy with his hair 816 00:42:11,667 --> 00:42:12,400 and it was all in black and grey, 817 00:42:13,533 --> 00:42:15,933 and he's stepping on these stepping stones 818 00:42:15,933 --> 00:42:17,767 with rushing water and Japanese style of color. 819 00:42:19,167 --> 00:42:21,133 I was like, "Oh, my God! I don't know shit!" 820 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:26,367 When the time came to relocate the business, 821 00:42:27,733 --> 00:42:29,333 Ed Hardy found a small gingerbread-style structure 822 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,500 down the block on the other side of Whittier Boulevard, 823 00:42:33,500 --> 00:42:34,667 And Ed Hardy bought that place, 824 00:42:36,133 --> 00:42:38,467 and now, you know, before he bought "Good Time Charlie's", 825 00:42:39,867 --> 00:42:42,700 and he never had anything to do with the shop creatively. 826 00:42:43,833 --> 00:42:45,667 He never imposed his will on us in any way. 827 00:42:46,533 --> 00:42:48,167 But now, Ed Hardy has a shop. 828 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,100 And he brought some of his friends, 829 00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:53,333 and they built a tattoo shop all regulation, even the stations. 830 00:42:54,633 --> 00:42:56,633 They were so tiny, but every station had a sink. 831 00:42:57,867 --> 00:42:58,267 Ed Hardy's, "Nah, everything's gonna change." 832 00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:02,267 You're gonna wear gloves, you're gonna use this sterilizer." 833 00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:08,567 And he goes, "Yeah, and this place, it reminds me of like a little island." 834 00:43:09,233 --> 00:43:10,867 An island shack." 835 00:43:10,867 --> 00:43:12,467 He goes, we're going to call it "Tattoo Land." 836 00:43:12,467 --> 00:43:14,633 And we painted it yellow, 837 00:43:14,633 --> 00:43:17,333 and we put a big giant banner going across the front, "Tattoo Land." 838 00:43:18,533 --> 00:43:20,033 I remember when he was saying, "You know what?" 839 00:43:21,133 --> 00:43:24,033 This Coyote thing. This doesn't work. 840 00:43:25,167 --> 00:43:25,567 The people you're going to deal with now, 841 00:43:26,867 --> 00:43:28,633 "they're not all going to be gangsters from East LA." 842 00:43:30,267 --> 00:43:31,067 He goes, "Yeah, your name's going to be Freddy Negrete from now on." 843 00:43:32,267 --> 00:43:35,500 "And fine-line, that's too much like prison." 844 00:43:36,667 --> 00:43:38,567 We're trying to do a new art style here. 845 00:43:39,733 --> 00:43:43,400 "And it's going to be called black-and-grey." 846 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:44,700 You know, because you're using black, and you're using grey. 847 00:43:45,833 --> 00:43:48,700 And Ed certainly brought all of the attention 848 00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:51,667 that he had in the '70s and in the '80s 849 00:43:53,033 --> 00:43:56,033 which was considerable to this new form of tattooing. 850 00:43:57,467 --> 00:44:00,533 He catapulted it to a level that it would not have had. 851 00:44:01,567 --> 00:44:04,367 So, when we reopened the second shop, 852 00:44:05,233 --> 00:44:06,567 it was me and Kate and Freddy. 853 00:44:07,700 --> 00:44:09,433 There was a party to introduce me to, 854 00:44:10,267 --> 00:44:12,833 to welcome me to San Francisco, 855 00:44:12,833 --> 00:44:13,567 welcome me to Ed Hardy family, 856 00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:17,000 and to introduce me to Jack and Freddy 857 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,733 who drove up from Los Angeles specifically to meet me 858 00:44:20,733 --> 00:44:22,100 and see this new member of their crew. 859 00:44:22,933 --> 00:44:25,567 This white woman from Utah, 860 00:44:25,567 --> 00:44:29,433 this farm girl who was educated in graphic design and advertising 861 00:44:30,533 --> 00:44:31,333 suddenly going to be in their midst, 862 00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:37,767 you know, practicing Black and Grey, single needle, Chicano tattooing 863 00:44:37,767 --> 00:44:40,600 with no background whatsoever in it. 864 00:44:43,500 --> 00:44:47,000 It was a small shop and we had small areas to work in, 865 00:44:47,833 --> 00:44:49,200 but we had all that parking lot. 866 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:51,467 And so everybody would come in and just park 867 00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:54,933 park their lowriders and stuff there, 868 00:44:54,933 --> 00:44:56,300 especially on the weekends when they'd be cruising, 869 00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,033 people would always pit stop right at the tattoo shop 870 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,033 and we blew that place out of the water. 871 00:45:03,833 --> 00:45:05,067 You know, you had a lot of gangbangers, 872 00:45:06,533 --> 00:45:11,233 and we were luckily sort of kind of in neutral territory, 873 00:45:12,433 --> 00:45:13,600 but there were a couple of local neighborhoods 874 00:45:14,933 --> 00:45:19,567 that kinda claimed our area as their neighborhood. 875 00:45:20,900 --> 00:45:22,567 There were 27 gangs in that area at that time, I think 876 00:45:23,367 --> 00:45:25,033 it was very turf-oriented. 877 00:45:26,233 --> 00:45:28,267 Every block was owned by one gang or another. 878 00:45:29,433 --> 00:45:30,367 They hated each other with a vengeance. 879 00:45:31,067 --> 00:45:32,767 I mean, murderously. 880 00:45:35,133 --> 00:45:39,233 Whenever I was in LA, I would go work there, sitting there, tattooing. 881 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,433 And she went, "Wow, what was that sound? 882 00:45:43,633 --> 00:45:45,700 Sounds like somebody popped a beach ball." 883 00:45:46,933 --> 00:45:48,700 And then, the cholos would come in from outside 884 00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:52,567 all peppered up with shotgun pellets. 885 00:45:53,367 --> 00:45:54,100 That's how it went there. 886 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,433 There are guys from different gangs that would have shot each other 887 00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:00,167 if they were a couple of blocks away. 888 00:46:01,333 --> 00:46:03,500 But inside the confines of that parking lot 889 00:46:03,500 --> 00:46:04,700 and especially that little shop, 890 00:46:06,133 --> 00:46:08,567 you know, that pointed roof made like a church, you know, 891 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,667 it's something about it in there. 892 00:46:13,333 --> 00:46:15,700 At "Tattooland," Kate Hellenbrand saw that the choice of tattoo 893 00:46:17,100 --> 00:46:20,700 could mean the difference between life and death. 894 00:46:20,700 --> 00:46:22,167 A little 14-year-old boy came in. 895 00:46:23,633 --> 00:46:26,700 He and his 16-year-old brother had tattooed themselves at home 896 00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:27,000 because they wanted to be in a gang, 897 00:46:28,667 --> 00:46:31,967 because that's what the people in that neighborhood aspired to be. 898 00:46:31,967 --> 00:46:32,100 And they were walking down the street 899 00:46:33,133 --> 00:46:37,833 and an opposing gang was driving by 900 00:46:37,833 --> 00:46:39,233 and shot and killed the 16-year-old boy. 901 00:46:40,267 --> 00:46:41,233 And so the 14-year-old came to me 902 00:46:42,633 --> 00:46:44,367 and asked if I would cover these initials on his wrist. 903 00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:47,633 And I told him, "No, I don't tattoo 14-year-olds." 904 00:46:47,633 --> 00:46:49,333 It was 18 or older. 905 00:46:50,733 --> 00:46:52,367 And then about two hours later, his mother came with him. 906 00:46:53,833 --> 00:46:56,600 And the mother was crying and said, "Please save my son's life" 907 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,600 because I've lost one." 908 00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,067 So I covered the tattoo. 909 00:47:03,267 --> 00:47:05,167 And so when people have that kind of lifestyle 910 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,367 and that kind of closeness to death, 911 00:47:08,367 --> 00:47:13,233 they get images that are about heaven and about redemption. 912 00:47:15,467 --> 00:47:17,733 By choosing images that celebrated their neighborhoods, 913 00:47:17,733 --> 00:47:19,067 religion, and loved ones, 914 00:47:20,167 --> 00:47:21,033 the Chicano people of East LA 915 00:47:22,667 --> 00:47:24,567 had a key role in elevating Black and Grey to an art form. 916 00:47:25,367 --> 00:47:26,433 A peoples' art form. 917 00:47:28,933 --> 00:47:31,333 My father died when I was young, and I've always idolized him 918 00:47:32,667 --> 00:47:35,367 and thought that he was, even though he wasn't around, 919 00:47:35,367 --> 00:47:36,033 he was still around. 920 00:47:37,033 --> 00:47:38,167 And I just wanted to put him on me 921 00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:41,667 because I grew up the way he grew up. 922 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:42,667 You know what I mean? 923 00:47:43,900 --> 00:47:44,167 When he was in the war... He fought the war. 924 00:47:45,333 --> 00:47:47,267 When I grew up, I fought to get a different route 925 00:47:48,700 --> 00:47:53,233 but had to you know fight my way to get out of the place I lived 926 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,500 and move on. 927 00:47:57,100 --> 00:47:59,100 It's soulful and very powerful 928 00:48:00,233 --> 00:48:01,500 and driven by very, very deep things. 929 00:48:02,433 --> 00:48:05,100 People commemorative tattoos. 930 00:48:05,100 --> 00:48:07,167 You know, "In memory of...", and all that kind of thing. 931 00:48:08,467 --> 00:48:11,333 And that had not been in tattooing very much before. 932 00:48:12,333 --> 00:48:16,133 It seems like in the neighborhoods, 933 00:48:16,133 --> 00:48:20,233 it's a beautiful art that came out of the violence, addiction, 934 00:48:20,967 --> 00:48:22,633 long prison sentences, 935 00:48:23,467 --> 00:48:26,667 the madness on the streets, 936 00:48:27,733 --> 00:48:32,000 came out this beautiful art form. 937 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,367 That mirrors a lot of those stories. 938 00:48:36,633 --> 00:48:38,567 Well, this one is just like where I come from, 939 00:48:38,567 --> 00:48:40,933 where my city is, 940 00:48:40,933 --> 00:48:43,167 where I've lived and grew up all my life. 941 00:48:44,533 --> 00:48:46,300 Well, we're a product of our environment, you know? 942 00:48:47,633 --> 00:48:48,233 But right here we try to go with a little culture, 943 00:48:48,933 --> 00:48:49,200 where we come from, 944 00:48:50,500 --> 00:48:53,467 showing the Aztec and then the Mexican heritage. 945 00:48:55,567 --> 00:48:57,033 It's not just something that you just put on there. 946 00:48:58,433 --> 00:49:01,700 It has meaning and it has a lot more to do with it so. 947 00:49:04,567 --> 00:49:05,600 I really felt that that work was driven 948 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,133 by the people that it should be driven by. 949 00:49:10,133 --> 00:49:12,933 The people that were getting it, the people that lived it. 950 00:49:12,933 --> 00:49:15,667 It is a storyteller. Tattoos tell you stories. 951 00:49:15,667 --> 00:49:17,067 Stories about the guy who has it. 952 00:49:18,133 --> 00:49:20,900 A tattoo is the mirror of one's mind. 953 00:49:20,900 --> 00:49:21,700 It's about life, it's about death, 954 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:28,667 it's about everything which is of value to a Mexican. 955 00:49:28,667 --> 00:49:31,100 My first tattoo was my side piece 956 00:49:31,967 --> 00:49:34,667 which is a Mayan blood ritual. 957 00:49:35,733 --> 00:49:37,100 And the reason I picked Mayan artwork 958 00:49:38,267 --> 00:49:40,600 was because of my spiritual upbringing. 959 00:49:41,900 --> 00:49:43,333 I found this particular piece, the blood ritual, 960 00:49:44,533 --> 00:49:48,167 when I was over in the museum of anthropology 961 00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:49,633 there in Mexico City. 962 00:49:51,100 --> 00:49:52,267 I knew this was a piece that I wanted to have a tattoo for, 963 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:54,567 and that's what I wanted to have on there. 964 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,033 And that's pretty much why I have this particular tattoo, 965 00:49:57,733 --> 00:49:58,000 and what it means to me 966 00:49:59,467 --> 00:50:01,767 is basically something that I can look back on and reflect on. 967 00:50:04,367 --> 00:50:05,033 Mark, you ready for me? 968 00:50:06,267 --> 00:50:07,767 I thought you'd never ask. Come on over, man. 969 00:50:09,933 --> 00:50:10,433 Get stuff done here. 970 00:50:11,867 --> 00:50:13,667 Yeah, it'll be good to get back on this. It's been a long time. 971 00:50:16,667 --> 00:50:18,567 Oh, man, look at them happy campers, those faces smiling all over. 972 00:50:19,367 --> 00:50:20,433 The kids are still happy. 973 00:50:21,900 --> 00:50:24,567 In 1995, I picked up the kids and took 'em out of school. 974 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,400 Your parents taking you out of school is like a fantasy. 975 00:50:30,067 --> 00:50:31,333 It's like, "Wow." 976 00:50:32,467 --> 00:50:33,433 Every kid in that class is looking at you. 977 00:50:34,233 --> 00:50:35,033 We came down to the beach. 978 00:50:36,033 --> 00:50:37,700 And they were on top of the world. 979 00:50:38,933 --> 00:50:41,700 Three kids ate hot dogs all day and cotton candy, 980 00:50:42,567 --> 00:50:44,233 and just in love with being alive 981 00:50:45,433 --> 00:50:46,400 and just being with their dad on that day. 982 00:50:47,300 --> 00:50:48,100 We took a lot of photos that day, 983 00:50:49,533 --> 00:50:51,567 but there was one photo that just captured all three of them. 984 00:50:52,900 --> 00:50:55,067 I had that photo for years, and I always loved it. 985 00:50:56,467 --> 00:50:59,333 I mean, I carried my wallet for years. It was on the wall. 986 00:51:01,733 --> 00:51:05,967 You know, it's already all worn out. 987 00:51:05,967 --> 00:51:08,433 I got the big photo, and I brought it in to Mark, 988 00:51:09,667 --> 00:51:10,533 and I said, "Hey, what can we do with this?" 989 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,533 But I think the hardest thing is Danny wanted a benign Jesus, 990 00:51:15,233 --> 00:51:16,600 like a happy Jesus, 991 00:51:17,667 --> 00:51:19,500 not a suffering, not an angry, not a... 992 00:51:20,667 --> 00:51:23,433 He just wanted a kicked back, surf Jesus. 993 00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:25,267 A happy Jesus because he's happy, 994 00:51:26,433 --> 00:51:28,100 his kids are happy, and my life's great, 995 00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:30,333 and so that's why Jesus is smiling. 996 00:51:32,033 --> 00:51:36,300 Those are the best kind of tattoos that go to the heart like that. 997 00:51:46,233 --> 00:51:47,067 It's exact. 998 00:51:50,633 --> 00:51:56,167 I just like the look of black and various shades of grey and flesh. 999 00:51:56,167 --> 00:51:58,500 Even though everything is colored in real life, 1000 00:51:59,833 --> 00:52:01,367 it's just like when you watch a black and white movie 1001 00:52:02,467 --> 00:52:04,767 or see a black and white photograph, 1002 00:52:04,767 --> 00:52:05,600 there's a certain quality about that 1003 00:52:06,733 --> 00:52:08,467 that it just isn't in a colored photograph. 1004 00:52:11,633 --> 00:52:15,367 Jack was the kind of guy that wanted to develop as an artist. 1005 00:52:21,467 --> 00:52:23,333 He wanted to learn from me, as I wanted to learn from him, 1006 00:52:24,533 --> 00:52:27,767 but what really happened was this competition. 1007 00:52:27,767 --> 00:52:30,467 It was a friendly competition, 1008 00:52:31,567 --> 00:52:32,033 but I know we both felt the same way. 1009 00:52:33,467 --> 00:52:36,033 So Jack would be on his side, and I would be on my side, 1010 00:52:36,900 --> 00:52:38,367 and he'd be doing this tattoo. 1011 00:52:39,633 --> 00:52:41,533 And the thing is, every single tattoo we did, 1012 00:52:41,533 --> 00:52:43,000 we tried to make it the best. 1013 00:52:44,033 --> 00:52:45,000 Because you would do the tattoo and say, 1014 00:52:45,833 --> 00:52:47,567 Hey, homes, check this out! 1015 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,433 And the guy would come, and I'd say, "Aw, man, that's nice!" 1016 00:52:52,100 --> 00:52:54,067 That's nice, Jack! 1017 00:52:54,067 --> 00:52:55,333 "You know, I'm glad you finished before me." 1018 00:52:55,333 --> 00:52:56,567 And I'd be like... 1019 00:52:57,467 --> 00:52:58,100 And like, "Jack, check this out!" 1020 00:52:59,233 --> 00:53:01,100 And he'd be like, "Oh, yeah, that's nice!" 1021 00:53:01,100 --> 00:53:08,000 But that kind of competition caused us to develop as artists. 1022 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,500 So, here we were, me and Jack were great friends, 1023 00:53:10,333 --> 00:53:11,000 we were developing artists, 1024 00:53:12,033 --> 00:53:14,067 I was learning this great technique. 1025 00:53:14,067 --> 00:53:16,500 We had a great building on the best spot. 1026 00:53:17,867 --> 00:53:20,600 We had so much customers, and we were getting paid. 1027 00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:21,533 You know, life was good. 1028 00:53:25,300 --> 00:53:28,500 Now, Freddy actually was extremely interested in color tattooing. 1029 00:53:29,700 --> 00:53:32,700 Freddy was not just, you know, "This is my way. 1030 00:53:33,533 --> 00:53:34,000 This is the way of my people." 1031 00:53:36,467 --> 00:53:39,367 You know, with Ed Hardy's hand in it, I started to look at his leadership. 1032 00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:41,600 I gave him control of my career. 1033 00:53:42,933 --> 00:53:44,000 He goes, "I'm going to put you out there, Freddy." 1034 00:53:45,100 --> 00:53:46,033 Because I had the respect from him. 1035 00:53:46,867 --> 00:53:47,533 I wanted to learn from him. 1036 00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,033 So I would go up to San Francisco, and he'd let me stay at his house. 1037 00:53:53,167 --> 00:53:54,167 I didn't want to do what he was doing. 1038 00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:57,500 I wanted to learn how he was doing it 1039 00:53:58,567 --> 00:54:01,233 so that I could apply it to my style. 1040 00:54:02,533 --> 00:54:04,967 Another knock on the black-and-grey artists was, 1041 00:54:04,967 --> 00:54:06,233 Well, it's nice, but they can't do color. 1042 00:54:07,567 --> 00:54:11,433 Freddy was determined to not have that said about him. 1043 00:54:12,467 --> 00:54:15,000 I remember doing my first big back piece. 1044 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,800 It was a Madonna, and she had her hands out like this, 1045 00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,433 and there was rays coming off of her hand. 1046 00:54:22,100 --> 00:54:24,367 And in the right hand, I put like a futuristic city in the clouds, 1047 00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,500 and then, in the other hand, put the planet earth in flames. 1048 00:54:28,633 --> 00:54:30,700 In between it, I put a big skull face. 1049 00:54:30,700 --> 00:54:32,100 And I took a picture of a real skull, 1050 00:54:33,533 --> 00:54:37,200 and it was the first time that I did realism with color. 1051 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:41,933 You're talking another jump for color artists 1052 00:54:41,933 --> 00:54:44,667 because they'd incorporate realism into that color 1053 00:54:45,767 --> 00:54:46,600 where there's very little line work, 1054 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,567 and they've taken that black-and-grey step in a color step, 1055 00:54:51,867 --> 00:54:53,400 which brings it out of the old Americana style. 1056 00:54:54,467 --> 00:54:55,667 You see famous traditional artists now 1057 00:54:56,733 --> 00:54:59,667 doing black-and-grey iconic images, 1058 00:55:00,500 --> 00:55:02,967 but doing them color traditional 1059 00:55:02,967 --> 00:55:05,033 because it's the black-and-grey style of California 1060 00:55:05,900 --> 00:55:07,300 that Southern California look, 1061 00:55:08,367 --> 00:55:09,267 but done with a traditional background. 1062 00:55:10,433 --> 00:55:11,200 So you have these bold lines and solid color, 1063 00:55:12,633 --> 00:55:17,967 but this is an iconic Southern California, East LA image. 1064 00:55:17,967 --> 00:55:19,033 I think that back-piece on Johnny 1065 00:55:20,167 --> 00:55:21,000 was the first real breakthrough with that. 1066 00:55:22,467 --> 00:55:24,533 And not only was the composition completely powerful, you know, 1067 00:55:25,667 --> 00:55:26,567 and played off all that heraldic stuff 1068 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:29,700 that you'd see in medieval prints of the Virgin and all that, 1069 00:55:31,367 --> 00:55:34,033 but then put in with the skull on one side and the woman's face, 1070 00:55:35,033 --> 00:55:37,833 and his color work was magnificent. 1071 00:55:37,833 --> 00:55:39,367 That tattoo won best tattoo in the show. 1072 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:41,033 I won tattoo artist of the year. 1073 00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:43,633 That was the only award that was given out. 1074 00:55:45,567 --> 00:55:48,167 Recognized as the top tattoo artist, Freddy was riding high. 1075 00:55:49,300 --> 00:55:51,100 But in 1980, tattoo was still considered 1076 00:55:52,233 --> 00:55:53,767 to be mostly for those on the fringe. 1077 00:55:55,467 --> 00:55:56,433 Ladies and gentlemen, rock and roll. 1078 00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,367 When MTV hit the airwaves in 1981, 1079 00:56:00,767 --> 00:56:02,367 many young viewers were exposed to ink on television 1080 00:56:03,167 --> 00:56:04,333 for the first time. 1081 00:56:09,433 --> 00:56:10,567 The following year, Ed Hardy published the first issue 1082 00:56:11,367 --> 00:56:12,500 of Tattoo Time Magazine, 1083 00:56:13,767 --> 00:56:15,767 opening this mysterious and secretive world. 1084 00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,233 Tattoo Time was one of them. They're both publications in the '80s. 1085 00:56:22,533 --> 00:56:26,067 Pictures of Jack Rudy's work, Freddy Negrete's, 1086 00:56:27,500 --> 00:56:31,667 other names you learn, Charlie Cartwright, Mark Mahoney. 1087 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,200 I was actually shown, 1088 00:56:35,633 --> 00:56:37,167 I remember, in particular, Jack Rudy's work, by my father 1089 00:56:37,967 --> 00:56:40,467 and told to achieve this. 1090 00:56:43,100 --> 00:56:45,000 When we received Tattoo Time, 1091 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,567 we saw that the thing jumped from fine to amazing. 1092 00:56:49,067 --> 00:56:51,667 It was like a razor blade. The line was so thin, so straight. 1093 00:56:52,967 --> 00:56:54,167 The shades were so neat, it almost looked like printing. 1094 00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,567 I'd not seen a tattoo that neat, that tight. 1095 00:57:05,367 --> 00:57:06,333 I just wanted to do something 1096 00:57:07,533 --> 00:57:10,800 from an informed, intelligent, inside viewpoint 1097 00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,833 that really presented this thing 1098 00:57:12,833 --> 00:57:14,333 the way it deserved to be represented 1099 00:57:15,367 --> 00:57:16,100 with a certain amount of dignity, 1100 00:57:17,900 --> 00:57:22,233 but also allowing for the fact that it's a totally crazy wildcat thing. 1101 00:57:22,233 --> 00:57:22,633 So we did that. 1102 00:57:24,067 --> 00:57:27,067 We did five issues of it over, I guess, into the early 1103 00:57:27,767 --> 00:57:29,467 into the '90s, mid-'90s. 1104 00:57:29,467 --> 00:57:30,233 And it had a huge impact. 1105 00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:39,267 But by 1984, East LA had fallen on hard times. 1106 00:57:41,033 --> 00:57:45,200 Gang-related street violence, always a fact of life, had escalated. 1107 00:57:49,833 --> 00:57:51,233 All the fighting and shooting and stuff. 1108 00:57:52,333 --> 00:57:53,567 So, they ended up shutting it down. 1109 00:58:01,733 --> 00:58:04,500 It seemed like everything we knew that was good 1110 00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:05,367 no longer was there no more. 1111 00:58:06,867 --> 00:58:08,900 East LA was played out. 1112 00:58:08,900 --> 00:58:10,100 The cruising was over. The cops stopped that. 1113 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,867 There was no more cruising on Whittier Boulevard. 1114 00:58:13,867 --> 00:58:14,100 And I just thought, "Well, you know what," 1115 00:58:15,133 --> 00:58:16,300 I've put in almost 10 years here. 1116 00:58:17,533 --> 00:58:18,567 "I think I'm gonna just try a different area." 1117 00:58:19,433 --> 00:58:21,500 So I decided on Orange County. 1118 00:58:29,067 --> 00:58:31,267 With the help of artists Mike Brown and Mark Mahoney, 1119 00:58:32,833 --> 00:58:35,367 Jack introduced black-and-grey to a new suburban group. 1120 00:58:36,533 --> 00:58:38,067 Everybody called you "homes" in East LA, 1121 00:58:39,533 --> 00:58:42,367 and then I got to Anaheim, and they were all calling me "dude", 1122 00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,333 and it sounded kind of insulting. 1123 00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:47,100 I didn't know how to take it, 1124 00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,033 but it took me a while, 1125 00:58:50,233 --> 00:58:52,400 and I guess that's just Orange County speech. 1126 00:58:54,167 --> 00:58:55,300 It just became a lot more diverse. 1127 00:58:56,300 --> 00:58:57,400 More people wanted color over here. 1128 00:58:59,900 --> 00:59:03,400 But since we were still known for the black-and-grey side of town, 1129 00:59:04,567 --> 00:59:06,167 that was still predominately what we did. 1130 00:59:06,867 --> 00:59:07,600 Jack kept at it 1131 00:59:09,033 --> 00:59:11,267 exploring the boundaries, attending conventions 1132 00:59:13,100 --> 00:59:14,667 giving more and more people their first glimpse of black-and-grey. 1133 00:59:15,867 --> 00:59:17,433 The best black-and-grey tattoo, first place... 1134 00:59:17,967 --> 00:59:19,467 Jack Rudy! 1135 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,600 Over time, other tattoo artists and their clients embraced this style. 1136 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,500 Starting with Jack Rudy, 1137 00:59:40,500 --> 00:59:41,233 he happened to be a hustler. 1138 00:59:42,567 --> 00:59:43,367 He happened to be that black-and-grey tattoo artist 1139 00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:44,767 that put his work out there. 1140 00:59:46,867 --> 00:59:48,267 So it takes one person to try something new 1141 00:59:49,433 --> 00:59:50,667 and maybe get a different shade of grey 1142 00:59:51,500 --> 00:59:53,267 or a different tone of dark. 1143 00:59:53,967 --> 00:59:55,333 And next thing you know, 1144 00:59:56,467 --> 00:59:58,933 it's kinda like it started Pandora's Box. 1145 00:59:58,933 --> 01:00:02,333 When those guys brought that stuff 1146 01:00:02,333 --> 01:00:04,200 from the small neighborhood areas it was in and the prison system, 1147 01:00:05,300 --> 01:00:06,133 when they brought it to the public, 1148 01:00:07,333 --> 01:00:11,533 it gave everyone this huge level of excitement, 1149 01:00:11,533 --> 01:00:12,500 but also gave us the template 1150 01:00:13,633 --> 01:00:16,167 for how to make these illustrative tattoos 1151 01:00:17,867 --> 01:00:19,233 which has led up the exciting times that you see in front of you. 1152 01:00:20,933 --> 01:00:23,400 It was the Rosetta Stone moment where it unlocked all the potential. 1153 01:00:24,433 --> 01:00:25,100 It was the final piece of the puzzle, 1154 01:00:26,333 --> 01:00:29,400 and when it added that level of excitement, 1155 01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,367 it made the clients themselves more willing to take chances 1156 01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:34,500 and more willing to be a part of something 1157 01:00:35,300 --> 01:00:36,700 bigger than they imagined. 1158 01:01:03,933 --> 01:01:05,800 I want to track my life. 1159 01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,500 I want to put everything that I love on me, 1160 01:01:08,667 --> 01:01:12,267 so when I die, I have everything with me. 1161 01:01:13,633 --> 01:01:19,100 In 2002, David Oropeza and Edward "Chuco" Caballero 1162 01:01:20,300 --> 01:01:22,333 put the spotlight on black-and-grey. 1163 01:01:25,367 --> 01:01:26,700 When I met Chuco, it was. 1164 01:01:28,067 --> 01:01:29,400 Well, first of all, we're talking about someone I've known 1165 01:01:30,900 --> 01:01:34,133 who was a homeboy of mine who I've known close to 40 years. 1166 01:01:34,133 --> 01:01:37,567 He's more than just a homeboy. We go way back. 1167 01:01:38,267 --> 01:01:39,100 There was a funeral, 1168 01:01:40,733 --> 01:01:42,100 and I hadn't seen a lot of people in a long time, so I went to it, 1169 01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,700 and Chuco was there, and I ain't seen him in a while, 1170 01:01:45,700 --> 01:01:48,400 and he had these new tattoos on him, 1171 01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:49,933 and he was showing me, 1172 01:01:49,933 --> 01:01:51,267 and he goes, "Homie, check out these tattoos." 1173 01:01:52,567 --> 01:01:54,700 He used to always admire me and my brother's tattoos 1174 01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,167 because we had them back in the '70s. 1175 01:01:58,167 --> 01:02:00,833 We were getting them from Good Time Charlie's, 1176 01:02:00,833 --> 01:02:02,333 the original shop in East LA. 1177 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,067 So when I saw him, 1178 01:02:05,067 --> 01:02:06,500 he was excited to show me his new work. 1179 01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,067 So when I seen it, I was like, "Wow, who's doing this stuff?" 1180 01:02:11,067 --> 01:02:14,667 He goes, "This new kid. His name's Pint." 1181 01:02:14,667 --> 01:02:16,433 I go, "Man, that's some nice work." 1182 01:02:18,067 --> 01:02:20,767 So me and Chuco talked about it, I think it was the following day, 1183 01:02:20,767 --> 01:02:23,100 and I told him about my desire. 1184 01:02:23,100 --> 01:02:27,333 I go, "Chuco, right now I'm in my mid-fifties." 1185 01:02:28,033 --> 01:02:29,067 I'm up there in years." 1186 01:02:30,133 --> 01:02:32,900 I go, "I want to fulfill my bodysuit." 1187 01:02:32,900 --> 01:02:35,100 This is something I've always wanted to do. 1188 01:02:35,100 --> 01:02:37,500 And he goes, "Man, homes, let's do it, man." 1189 01:02:37,500 --> 01:02:40,600 He goes, "Let's go all the way." 1190 01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:41,333 This was new. 1191 01:02:42,767 --> 01:02:45,967 Unlike the Japanese who had stories told on them, 1192 01:02:45,967 --> 01:02:48,067 the Chicanos were telling their own story. 1193 01:02:49,733 --> 01:02:50,400 David and Chuco's bodysuits 1194 01:02:51,767 --> 01:02:53,333 became living tributes to their barrio upbringing, 1195 01:02:54,500 --> 01:02:55,533 reflecting pride in their heritage 1196 01:02:56,633 --> 01:02:57,767 and the art that came from it. 1197 01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:00,167 This s Chuco, 1198 01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:05,500 and he has agreed to model some of this gorgeous tattoo art. 1199 01:03:06,533 --> 01:03:10,900 Marilyn Monroe, and the Mexican Emblem, 1200 01:03:10,900 --> 01:03:14,267 Emiliano Zapata, the general, revolutionary. 1201 01:03:14,267 --> 01:03:17,367 The warrior, Caballero Aguila, skulls, death, you know. 1202 01:03:18,467 --> 01:03:19,567 I think I saw the statue of Liberty. 1203 01:03:20,233 --> 01:03:20,433 Yeah, right here. 1204 01:03:21,700 --> 01:03:24,133 In homage to 9-11, I added a statue of liberty. 1205 01:03:25,433 --> 01:03:27,067 Here's my family, my wife, my kids, my grandkids. 1206 01:03:28,233 --> 01:03:28,667 This is my son. He's dead. They killed him. 1207 01:03:29,833 --> 01:03:31,833 - You know, in a gang fight. - Oh, I'm sorry. 1208 01:03:31,833 --> 01:03:33,700 A couple of years back. My only son, he was 23. 1209 01:03:33,700 --> 01:03:34,233 This is my son right here. 1210 01:03:35,100 --> 01:03:36,333 Yeah, Chuco is pretty amazing. 1211 01:03:37,533 --> 01:03:40,167 When you think about this black-and-grey style 1212 01:03:41,500 --> 01:03:46,567 and you think about that cholo vibe and grace and honor 1213 01:03:47,633 --> 01:03:50,100 and dignity and all of that stuff, 1214 01:03:50,100 --> 01:03:53,567 and that was like a walking, talking representation of that. 1215 01:03:54,833 --> 01:03:56,333 He sort of made his way through the tattoo circuit 1216 01:03:57,133 --> 01:03:58,667 and the tattoo conventions 1217 01:03:58,667 --> 01:04:00,500 as kind of like a fixture of awe. 1218 01:04:01,933 --> 01:04:03,433 People would kind of just stop him and stare at his body. 1219 01:04:04,833 --> 01:04:06,700 I mean, I remember for years just going to conventions, 1220 01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:08,833 even before I met him, 1221 01:04:08,833 --> 01:04:10,300 just looking at him, looking at his tattoos, 1222 01:04:11,300 --> 01:04:13,400 and he couldn't go to a convention 1223 01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:18,500 without practically being naked 50-60 times in a weekend. 1224 01:04:18,500 --> 01:04:19,167 The black-and-grey community 1225 01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,033 couldn't have had a better ambassador of ink 1226 01:04:24,067 --> 01:04:27,233 because he wore his tattoos so well. 1227 01:04:28,033 --> 01:04:32,833 He started bringing unity 1228 01:04:32,833 --> 01:04:36,000 within the black-and-grey tattoo world. 1229 01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,833 He sort of would bring people to meet. 1230 01:04:38,833 --> 01:04:40,000 He'd say, "Hey, Chuey, this is Franco." 1231 01:04:40,733 --> 01:04:41,500 And we became friends. 1232 01:04:43,100 --> 01:04:46,733 And so he started introducing us to each other through his tattoos. 1233 01:04:46,733 --> 01:04:47,567 Over the next five years, 1234 01:04:48,933 --> 01:04:50,333 David and Chuco competed in tattoo competitions 1235 01:04:51,333 --> 01:04:52,867 up and down the West Coast, 1236 01:04:52,867 --> 01:04:54,500 winning prize after prize. 1237 01:04:55,833 --> 01:04:57,967 Artists and collectors from around the world 1238 01:04:57,967 --> 01:05:00,833 marveled at what they saw. 1239 01:05:00,833 --> 01:05:01,700 With the work that was on their bodies, 1240 01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,933 and the extent of the work on their bodies 1241 01:05:05,933 --> 01:05:09,100 showed people something that they had never seen, 1242 01:05:10,567 --> 01:05:15,600 to the number and the extent and flow of the tattooing itself. 1243 01:05:17,300 --> 01:05:22,367 Because if the tattoos don't flow, they're just pictures on skin. 1244 01:05:22,367 --> 01:05:24,233 That's what they had going for them that I think was different. 1245 01:05:25,667 --> 01:05:28,767 Especially with the quantity of the pieces that they had. 1246 01:05:35,733 --> 01:05:37,367 David and Chuco's image and design choices 1247 01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:40,500 pushed the limits for a new generation of artists. 1248 01:05:41,667 --> 01:05:44,100 I asked Chuey to do a rib cage piece on me, 1249 01:05:45,267 --> 01:05:47,167 and he goes, "Well, what would you like?" 1250 01:05:48,167 --> 01:05:49,500 Pint had this book of Michelangelo 1251 01:05:50,933 --> 01:05:52,167 and this book had all kinds of beautiful things in it 1252 01:05:52,867 --> 01:05:54,500 the Sistine Chapel. 1253 01:05:54,500 --> 01:05:57,200 It had a lot of nice work in it. 1254 01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:58,033 I go, "There's a piece I've always admired." 1255 01:05:59,533 --> 01:06:04,500 Now that I know I could choose what wanted was just amazing. 1256 01:06:04,500 --> 01:06:05,667 So, I go, "I want this one," 1257 01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,167 and I showed him the statue that I wanted. 1258 01:06:09,300 --> 01:06:12,233 And it was the Pieta from Michelangelo. 1259 01:06:12,233 --> 01:06:14,767 And I was like, "Man, this is going to be tough." 1260 01:06:27,533 --> 01:06:32,100 What made it stick out was the depth and quality 1261 01:06:32,100 --> 01:06:35,100 and the arrangement of the lighting on the black-and-grey 1262 01:06:35,833 --> 01:06:36,600 that was put into it. 1263 01:06:37,767 --> 01:06:39,167 I think that's what stood out the most. 1264 01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:43,033 When I added the white, it just popped. 1265 01:06:44,167 --> 01:06:45,433 It looked like realistic, it looked shiny, 1266 01:06:46,267 --> 01:06:47,433 it looked like it was a statue. 1267 01:06:48,767 --> 01:06:51,767 And I was very satisfied with it. I was happy with it. 1268 01:06:56,900 --> 01:06:59,567 The images they became more crisp, just a lot more realistic. 1269 01:07:00,667 --> 01:07:01,400 It seems nowadays, things are just. 1270 01:07:02,700 --> 01:07:05,333 It's hard to determine from a photo to a tattoo. 1271 01:07:06,867 --> 01:07:09,967 I mean, back in the day, everything was done just hand-drawings 1272 01:07:09,967 --> 01:07:10,267 and people would use their own hand 1273 01:07:11,633 --> 01:07:12,367 and they would just go in and do their own designs, 1274 01:07:13,667 --> 01:07:16,300 but nowadays people are just really, really realistic 1275 01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:19,700 whether you're dealing with color or black-and-grey. 1276 01:07:19,700 --> 01:07:21,433 So, it's changed. It's changed. 1277 01:07:36,633 --> 01:07:40,433 The younger generation that has been tattooing for 10 or 15 years now, 1278 01:07:41,733 --> 01:07:44,133 they were the ones that have brought out the realism 1279 01:07:44,967 --> 01:07:46,467 to the aspect that it is today. 1280 01:07:47,633 --> 01:07:50,733 This art form, I think it's just growing. 1281 01:07:50,733 --> 01:07:52,067 You probably have right now 1282 01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:57,100 the biggest amount of Chicano artists ever, professional artists. 1283 01:07:57,900 --> 01:07:59,700 These kids are incredible. 1284 01:08:00,733 --> 01:08:02,733 I learned more about dimensioning 1285 01:08:02,733 --> 01:08:03,500 you know, where the light hits it. 1286 01:08:04,900 --> 01:08:08,000 Now I'm working on, like, maybe second, even third lights. 1287 01:08:09,433 --> 01:08:12,500 How it's gonna work, how it'll collide with one another. 1288 01:08:13,667 --> 01:08:15,233 It sort of opens up doors on your brain, 1289 01:08:16,633 --> 01:08:19,400 and, you know, once you open up those doors of dimension, 1290 01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:21,000 you can't close them. 1291 01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,100 You just they learn no matter what. 1292 01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:25,833 You can't become an artist and just say, 1293 01:08:25,833 --> 01:08:28,567 Well, I know this, and I know everything! 1294 01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:33,300 No, you just barely begin to know about art. 1295 01:08:45,967 --> 01:08:49,200 As I got into more of the professional tattooing 1296 01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:53,067 and understanding what it was to 1297 01:08:54,333 --> 01:08:58,533 to have that responsibility of cutting someone 1298 01:08:58,533 --> 01:09:02,067 and marking them permanently. 1299 01:09:02,067 --> 01:09:04,000 My mom always made sure that I approached it 1300 01:09:05,333 --> 01:09:09,533 in a way that was with some dignity, some honesty. 1301 01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:12,500 It's changed so much because now it's the norm 1302 01:09:12,500 --> 01:09:14,133 to be able to go into shops. 1303 01:09:14,133 --> 01:09:15,033 It's the norm to find really good tattooers, 1304 01:09:16,067 --> 01:09:17,567 and there are far more the level. 1305 01:09:18,733 --> 01:09:19,633 You now, more people doing great tattoos 1306 01:09:20,967 --> 01:09:21,367 than have ever existed in the history of the world 1307 01:09:22,733 --> 01:09:24,500 and by thousand-fold, thousands and thousands more. 1308 01:09:25,667 --> 01:09:29,833 I think what tattoo art gives to my clients 1309 01:09:29,833 --> 01:09:33,000 is the way they can express themselves. 1310 01:09:34,300 --> 01:09:37,067 What really means something, a marker in their life, 1311 01:09:38,267 --> 01:09:39,567 a moment in their life that they want captured. 1312 01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:41,667 Ever since I was a kid, I liked pirates. 1313 01:09:42,367 --> 01:09:42,700 The way they lived. 1314 01:09:43,967 --> 01:09:45,433 They had no allegiance to no king or government. 1315 01:09:46,467 --> 01:09:48,433 Living free, doing what you want. 1316 01:09:49,567 --> 01:09:51,800 It was my artist, Carlos Torres's idea 1317 01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:52,333 of how he was going to set it all up. 1318 01:09:53,500 --> 01:09:54,500 I just gave him the scenario, you know, 1319 01:09:54,500 --> 01:09:56,067 the idea of who I wanted in it, 1320 01:09:57,367 --> 01:10:00,433 and he came up with the whole design and portrayal, 1321 01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:03,067 and he sketched it up for me right there. 1322 01:10:04,467 --> 01:10:09,100 And he goes, "Let's take a picture of you with the wheel," 1323 01:10:09,100 --> 01:10:10,033 and I actually had that wheel at my house, 1324 01:10:11,167 --> 01:10:13,067 and then I did a pose with that in my arm. 1325 01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:16,233 He took the photo and then drew it up, 1326 01:10:17,267 --> 01:10:19,500 added the pirate clothes and the hat, 1327 01:10:19,500 --> 01:10:21,333 decayed my face. 1328 01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:24,000 Our clientele nowadays, 1329 01:10:24,833 --> 01:10:28,800 they come in with a concept, 1330 01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,200 and generally, it's always hard. 1331 01:10:33,167 --> 01:10:34,167 People don't want simple tattoos really anymore. 1332 01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,567 It's always like they want a piece of fine art on their skin. 1333 01:10:39,300 --> 01:10:41,000 But that's what we do, 1334 01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,033 and there's a lot that goes into it. 1335 01:10:44,067 --> 01:10:45,667 We take their idea in their head, 1336 01:10:45,667 --> 01:10:47,167 and we have to not only tattoo it, 1337 01:10:48,033 --> 01:10:49,067 but we have to choreograph it 1338 01:10:49,900 --> 01:10:50,700 and we have to put it together. 1339 01:10:51,500 --> 01:10:54,100 We have to show it to them. 1340 01:10:54,100 --> 01:10:56,600 We have to make changes, put it on their skin. 1341 01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,233 And so it becomes kind of like a painting on a canvas. 1342 01:11:01,267 --> 01:11:03,733 My mom passed away when I was 13. 1343 01:11:03,733 --> 01:11:04,500 She had told me, like, "Play the drums." 1344 01:11:05,367 --> 01:11:06,833 Don't stop playing the drums. 1345 01:11:06,833 --> 01:11:08,000 No matter what happens, keep playing your drums. 1346 01:11:09,033 --> 01:11:12,133 Then I got to the point where I was 16. 1347 01:11:12,133 --> 01:11:16,533 I graduated from high school, and my pops basically said, 1348 01:11:16,533 --> 01:11:18,433 "You either get a job, you work 60 hours a week, and you pay bills," 1349 01:11:19,100 --> 01:11:21,100 or you need to go, 1350 01:11:21,100 --> 01:11:23,167 you need to play the drums and try what you're gonna try. 1351 01:11:24,567 --> 01:11:27,500 So I moved to Laguna Beach, and I became a trash man, 1352 01:11:27,500 --> 01:11:28,267 and I started playing the drums. 1353 01:11:29,867 --> 01:11:30,667 I started getting tattoos because my dad would always tell me, 1354 01:11:32,300 --> 01:11:34,167 You gotta have a plan B. You gotta have something to fall back on. 1355 01:11:35,767 --> 01:11:37,167 And I basically that resonated, and I kept hearing that, 1356 01:11:38,300 --> 01:11:41,100 and I was like, "I don't want the plan B." 1357 01:11:41,100 --> 01:11:43,233 So I think in a year's time, I started documenting everything 1358 01:11:43,967 --> 01:11:45,667 from my mom's memorial 1359 01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,633 to big ass checkered flags and my car. 1360 01:11:50,633 --> 01:11:54,033 You know, like, my 66 on my neck. 1361 01:11:55,300 --> 01:11:56,267 I made it to where no one would want to hire me 1362 01:11:57,433 --> 01:12:00,067 and I couldn't fit in at your normal job 1363 01:12:01,333 --> 01:12:03,367 or work at your local Target or McDonalds or... 1364 01:12:04,767 --> 01:12:07,700 I didn't want any of that. I just wanted to play the drums. 1365 01:12:07,700 --> 01:12:09,967 I mean, two years later, I was sleeved up 1366 01:12:09,967 --> 01:12:13,100 and it was impossible for me to get a normal job 1367 01:12:14,233 --> 01:12:17,067 which was a job well done in my book. 1368 01:12:18,367 --> 01:12:20,400 Tattooing, I think, in essence is a people's art, 1369 01:12:21,567 --> 01:12:25,200 and prior to it breaking out into mainstream, 1370 01:12:26,467 --> 01:12:31,167 it was kept in confines of the artists themselves, 1371 01:12:32,333 --> 01:12:33,667 and then, suddenly, there were conventions, 1372 01:12:34,533 --> 01:12:35,233 and then there were magazines, 1373 01:12:36,367 --> 01:12:38,100 and the magazines opened the doors wider, 1374 01:12:39,533 --> 01:12:41,700 and then supply companies got involved in the magazines, 1375 01:12:41,700 --> 01:12:43,100 and that sort of really opened it up, 1376 01:12:44,267 --> 01:12:45,333 and then the television shows, of course, 1377 01:12:46,167 --> 01:12:47,600 now have broadcasted everywhere. 1378 01:12:51,900 --> 01:12:53,933 I think it is changing a lot. 1379 01:12:53,933 --> 01:12:56,300 I think a lot of people who are in the public eye 1380 01:12:57,367 --> 01:12:58,600 getting heavily tattooed helps a lot. 1381 01:12:59,900 --> 01:13:02,567 I think that was one of the few benefits of the TV shows 1382 01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,200 is that you were bringing decent tattoos into people's homes 1383 01:13:07,367 --> 01:13:07,567 and showing that, you know what I mean? 1384 01:13:08,900 --> 01:13:09,700 These are just normal, everyday, working-class people. 1385 01:13:14,267 --> 01:13:16,233 These reality shows were instantly successful, 1386 01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:19,267 finding audiences all over the world. 1387 01:13:21,533 --> 01:13:25,067 And in turn, TV viewers discovered black-and-grey. 1388 01:13:28,900 --> 01:13:30,367 When you watch these shows now and you see Corey Miller's pieces, 1389 01:13:31,667 --> 01:13:33,600 you see all these different degrees of tattoos, 1390 01:13:35,100 --> 01:13:39,433 it makes the general public, times a million, times a billion, 1391 01:13:39,433 --> 01:13:44,033 across the world go, "Oh, I never knew tattooing could be that good." 1392 01:13:45,100 --> 01:13:46,033 If that's the case, I want one.". 1393 01:13:47,333 --> 01:13:48,000 People that never thought about getting tattooed 1394 01:13:49,533 --> 01:13:50,233 are now deciding, "Hey, I want to go in to get my first tattoo." 1395 01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:53,833 We've got lawyers and doctors and school teachers 1396 01:13:53,833 --> 01:13:55,167 all these people that would have been against it. 1397 01:13:56,867 --> 01:14:00,967 In the television they can see that, "Hey, we can do portraits." 1398 01:14:00,967 --> 01:14:03,367 So the people want the black-and-grey portraits, 1399 01:14:04,500 --> 01:14:06,067 and most times pictures of family members, 1400 01:14:07,233 --> 01:14:10,567 so, children, babies, granddad, grandma, 1401 01:14:11,433 --> 01:14:14,033 father, mom, sister, brother. 1402 01:14:15,333 --> 01:14:17,367 And the most wanted portrait is Johnny Cash right now 1403 01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:19,000 the last two or three years. 1404 01:14:20,333 --> 01:14:24,267 So Johnny Cash or movie stars or something like that. 1405 01:14:30,133 --> 01:14:30,500 I don't like to outline 1406 01:14:31,967 --> 01:14:34,300 because the more line work you use, it comes out cartoony, 1407 01:14:35,033 --> 01:14:35,167 you know what I mean? 1408 01:14:35,900 --> 01:14:36,767 So it's more shading. 1409 01:14:36,767 --> 01:14:37,267 A lot of the artists nowadays, 1410 01:14:38,433 --> 01:14:39,700 we do nothing but shading, darker depths. 1411 01:14:40,967 --> 01:14:42,233 Everything enhances the picture, makes it look more real. 1412 01:14:43,067 --> 01:14:44,167 We're made of shades, not lines. 1413 01:14:45,867 --> 01:14:47,667 So it's based on the tones, the way the light source hits your skin. 1414 01:14:49,100 --> 01:14:50,333 You want to capture that, you know, make the tattoo pop. 1415 01:14:56,367 --> 01:14:58,233 When I saw Jack Rudy's, 1416 01:14:59,667 --> 01:15:01,600 he did a portrait of Rita Hayworth as an old photograph 1417 01:15:02,633 --> 01:15:05,567 with scotch tape holding it on a leg. 1418 01:15:05,567 --> 01:15:06,233 I just couldn't believe that level of illustration could exist, 1419 01:15:07,433 --> 01:15:08,833 and I think that's what really opened the door, 1420 01:15:08,833 --> 01:15:11,500 and now illustration is everywhere in tattooing, 1421 01:15:11,500 --> 01:15:13,233 in color and in black-and-grey. 1422 01:15:14,900 --> 01:15:17,833 Nothing will replace the excitement that Jack's tattoos gave people. 1423 01:15:17,833 --> 01:15:20,233 I mean, we didn't even know it was possible. 1424 01:15:21,767 --> 01:15:25,633 I believe it fell in the right hands with Jack, Freddy, Charlie, 1425 01:15:26,667 --> 01:15:29,167 in East LA and where they started 1426 01:15:30,433 --> 01:15:33,200 because they took that prison-style tattooing. 1427 01:15:34,033 --> 01:15:36,000 It wasn't the seven or nine 1428 01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:37,567 or thick fat outlines with just a little bit of color. 1429 01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:39,567 It was fine line, single needle. 1430 01:15:40,767 --> 01:15:42,367 It was the darkest black to the lightest grey, 1431 01:15:43,233 --> 01:15:45,367 and it was put into fine art, 1432 01:15:45,367 --> 01:15:48,700 and I believe that's how it didn't slip through the cracks. 1433 01:15:50,333 --> 01:15:52,167 I believe that's how it started off on a small string in East LA. 1434 01:15:53,300 --> 01:15:54,400 It wasn't accepted by anybody, really, 1435 01:15:55,133 --> 01:15:55,567 except for prisoners, 1436 01:15:56,700 --> 01:15:58,033 and it just slowly expanded and grew. 1437 01:15:59,333 --> 01:16:03,100 And over the years, other artists started seeing 1438 01:16:03,100 --> 01:16:04,333 what I feel was a challenging type of artwork. 1439 01:16:05,667 --> 01:16:06,567 And so I think that's kind of what triggered everyone 1440 01:16:07,667 --> 01:16:08,367 to kind of want to know how to do it. 1441 01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:12,033 As the popularity of tattoos has grown, 1442 01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:14,300 so have the number of conventions. 1443 01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,767 There are now more than 350 shows held each year worldwide. 1444 01:16:42,500 --> 01:16:46,433 Right now in Spain the theme people most ask for is Chicano. 1445 01:16:47,900 --> 01:16:51,067 Furthermore, I believe you can manage to do an entire body 1446 01:16:52,500 --> 01:16:56,500 with this style of mixing women, cars, buildings, landscapes, 1447 01:16:57,367 --> 01:16:58,733 and have it look really good. 1448 01:17:05,533 --> 01:17:07,367 Italian publisher and convention promoter Miki Vialetto 1449 01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:09,333 has earned a reputation for putting on 1450 01:17:10,933 --> 01:17:12,767 some of the most prestigious and entertaining conventions of all. 1451 01:17:14,567 --> 01:17:15,600 People come from around the world 1452 01:17:16,900 --> 01:17:21,133 to get work by Miki's carefully-selected artists. 1453 01:17:21,133 --> 01:17:24,233 I think the Chicano Style now in Europe, 1454 01:17:24,233 --> 01:17:28,500 it has a huge impact on tattooing since three or four years. 1455 01:17:28,500 --> 01:17:32,533 We start to see Chicano tattoos 1456 01:17:32,533 --> 01:17:37,133 from all the rockstars that Mr. Cartoon has been tattooing lately. 1457 01:17:37,967 --> 01:17:41,167 And since a couple of years, 1458 01:17:41,167 --> 01:17:44,167 Boog, Jose Lopez, Chuey Quintanar, Jack Rudy 1459 01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:46,467 I start to bring them in Europe, 1460 01:17:47,667 --> 01:17:50,400 in Milan Convention and London convention. 1461 01:17:51,700 --> 01:17:55,400 So, many magazines start to make articles about them 1462 01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:59,700 and now so many tattoo shops, they have and they do Chicano stuff. 1463 01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:04,067 I love that I've been able to take Chicano art all over the world. 1464 01:18:05,533 --> 01:18:09,067 I've done art shows in London, and Paris, Amsterdam, Australia. 1465 01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:14,600 I've also been to Tokyo and seen black-and-grey body Japanese suits. 1466 01:18:15,467 --> 01:18:18,767 By Horioshi three, incredible. 1467 01:18:18,767 --> 01:18:20,133 Really looks good in black-and-grey. 1468 01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:22,533 Now they're starting to experiment more with it 1469 01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:24,267 'cause they see how we do t. 1470 01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:33,033 I don't think a lot of people in Europe 1471 01:18:34,433 --> 01:18:39,000 know all the meaning and history behind the Chicano icons. 1472 01:18:40,467 --> 01:18:43,167 They see a lot of culture that comes from California, from LA, 1473 01:18:44,367 --> 01:18:46,500 the lowrider culture, the Chicano Culture, 1474 01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:50,567 and they take it even if they don't know the meaning. 1475 01:18:51,733 --> 01:18:54,033 But the new trend in Europe since two years 1476 01:18:54,867 --> 01:18:56,100 is definitely the Chicano Style. 1477 01:18:59,367 --> 01:19:00,700 In November 2011, 1478 01:19:01,967 --> 01:19:03,500 some of the worlds most renowned tattoo artists 1479 01:19:05,067 --> 01:19:08,467 met up in Amsterdam to celebrate the history of tattoo. 1480 01:19:13,233 --> 01:19:15,067 Henk Shiffmacher spent a lifetime tattooing 1481 01:19:16,700 --> 01:19:18,400 and collecting tattoo memorabilia from all over the world. 1482 01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:21,400 His vast collection was displayed for a year 1483 01:19:22,500 --> 01:19:23,700 in a museum located alongside 1484 01:19:25,067 --> 01:19:26,533 some of Holland's most prestigious institutions. 1485 01:19:28,433 --> 01:19:30,800 For many of the tattoo artists in attendance, 1486 01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:32,233 the symbolism was unmistakable. 1487 01:19:33,633 --> 01:19:36,400 It was an affirmation of their craft's rich history. 1488 01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:37,167 This is a pilgrimage. 1489 01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:40,467 We want you to come here as a pilgrim 1490 01:19:40,467 --> 01:19:42,500 and to learn about tattoo, 1491 01:19:43,733 --> 01:19:47,333 to pay tribute to those who gave us this art. 1492 01:19:47,333 --> 01:19:48,200 All the way down, 1493 01:19:49,500 --> 01:19:52,500 all the way to the first man and woman with tattoos. 1494 01:19:52,500 --> 01:19:54,600 All the whole history of tattoo. 1495 01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,333 - Be careful and be safe. - Yeah. 1496 01:19:58,733 --> 01:20:01,200 The culture comes from up. It comes from the bottom up. 1497 01:20:02,367 --> 01:20:05,067 It bubbles up, and it's stuff that is, you know, 1498 01:20:05,067 --> 01:20:07,600 percolated by people's soul and passion 1499 01:20:08,767 --> 01:20:10,600 and striving and what they really care about. 1500 01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:11,600 It's not some construct. 1501 01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,267 As much as I think my own work has evolved 1502 01:20:16,300 --> 01:20:18,267 and stuff I've seen other artists 1503 01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:23,233 that have taken black-and-grey to a whole other level. 1504 01:20:24,533 --> 01:20:28,833 You look and see what a lot of these young hot shots 1505 01:20:28,833 --> 01:20:30,867 are doing and stuff, and I tell you what. 1506 01:20:30,867 --> 01:20:35,100 It keeps us, keeps us old guys on our toes 1507 01:20:35,100 --> 01:20:37,500 because, like, you either keep up or you get left behind. 1508 01:20:38,333 --> 01:20:39,233 You know, it's how I look at it, 1509 01:20:39,933 --> 01:20:41,167 and so it is incredible, 1510 01:20:42,633 --> 01:20:47,033 but, I mean, see, tattooing in general has evolved incredibly. 1511 01:20:47,033 --> 01:20:49,100 Remember, now there's gotta be 15 or 20 1512 01:20:50,167 --> 01:20:52,000 very distinct styles of tattooing 1513 01:20:52,833 --> 01:20:55,500 that didn't exist 35 years ago. 1514 01:20:55,500 --> 01:20:56,967 Didn't exist. 1515 01:20:56,967 --> 01:20:58,233 It's just grown so much, you know. 1516 01:20:59,667 --> 01:21:03,833 I never saw I never thought it would be this giant an industry. 1517 01:21:03,833 --> 01:21:04,233 You don't have to be the bad guy anymore 1518 01:21:05,100 --> 01:21:06,567 to want to have a nice tattoo. 1519 01:21:07,633 --> 01:21:08,500 In my times I grew up in the '60s 1520 01:21:09,500 --> 01:21:10,500 to have a tattoo, to own a tattoo, 1521 01:21:11,833 --> 01:21:14,167 you either had to be a gang member, a drug addict, 1522 01:21:15,367 --> 01:21:16,367 or been in the penitentiary at least once. 1523 01:21:17,033 --> 01:21:18,567 It's all good art. 1524 01:21:18,567 --> 01:21:20,100 It's wearable art. 1525 01:21:20,533 --> 01:21:21,100 Correct. 1526 01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:26,033 Now, we're at the age of, like, art. 1527 01:21:26,733 --> 01:21:28,700 It really is an art 1528 01:21:28,700 --> 01:21:29,667 because there's so many artists into it, 1529 01:21:30,867 --> 01:21:33,967 and it doesn't matter what you like more. 1530 01:21:33,967 --> 01:21:35,600 It's just like this is their art, 1531 01:21:36,433 --> 01:21:36,767 and this is how he does it. 1532 01:21:38,433 --> 01:21:40,233 This is their art, and this is how he does it. 1533 01:21:41,700 --> 01:21:42,700 Before it was like, "Oh, wow, this guy's better than this guy", 1534 01:21:43,833 --> 01:21:45,067 and this guy's even better than this guy, 1535 01:21:45,067 --> 01:21:45,633 and this guy's better than this guy. 1536 01:21:46,467 --> 01:21:47,367 And it's not about that anymore. 1537 01:21:48,767 --> 01:21:52,167 It's about this person and their art and their expression, 1538 01:21:53,467 --> 01:21:55,433 and that's when you know that tattooing has arrived. 1539 01:24:07,667 --> 01:24:09,433 You know, 20 years ago when I walked into a restaurant, 1540 01:24:11,033 --> 01:24:12,233 everybody in the restaurant would start making weird noises 1541 01:24:13,567 --> 01:24:15,500 you know, you'd hear, "Tattoo this, tattoo that." 1542 01:24:15,500 --> 01:24:16,167 I know a guy whose got a tattoo. 1543 01:24:17,300 --> 01:24:18,100 You know, "Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." 1544 01:24:19,267 --> 01:24:20,700 Whereas now you walk into the restaurant 1545 01:24:20,700 --> 01:24:21,200 and the waiter's sleeved. 1546 01:24:22,333 --> 01:24:23,367 You don't stand out like you used to. 1547 01:24:24,567 --> 01:24:25,500 The cops pull you over, they don't look at you 1548 01:24:26,733 --> 01:24:27,433 like you're some kind of criminal nowadays, 1549 01:24:28,633 --> 01:24:31,700 whereas 20 years ago, if you were sleeved, 1550 01:24:31,700 --> 01:24:34,367 man, they were, "What jail were you in?" 1551 01:24:35,067 --> 01:24:35,700 'Cause they didn't know. 1552 01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:38,333 They'd see the color. 1553 01:24:38,333 --> 01:24:41,400 They didn't realize that you don't get color in jail, you know. 1554 01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,100 Now if you're an NBA player and you don't have a bunch of tattoos, 1555 01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:48,833 it looks like you ran out of money or something. 1556 01:24:48,833 --> 01:24:50,000 Like, you're missing the accessory, you know. 1557 01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:53,967 They go from being a poor kid in a project 1558 01:24:53,967 --> 01:24:57,667 to getting a couple mill deposited in their bank account. 1559 01:24:57,667 --> 01:24:59,033 They're gonna go hit the Escalade, 1560 01:25:00,167 --> 01:25:01,567 they're gonna go hit the European car, 1561 01:25:02,767 --> 01:25:03,400 they're gonna go get their jewellery right, 1562 01:25:04,233 --> 01:25:06,133 Jordans, and their tattoos. 1563 01:25:08,233 --> 01:25:10,033 David and I became very close friends. 1564 01:25:11,033 --> 01:25:13,833 We had some great times together. 1565 01:25:13,833 --> 01:25:15,400 He introduced me to his mom and his family. 1566 01:25:16,567 --> 01:25:17,333 And she would always take me inside and say, 1567 01:25:18,467 --> 01:25:20,467 "Please don't tattoo my sons anymore." 1568 01:25:20,467 --> 01:25:22,100 They have enough tattoos. 1569 01:25:22,533 --> 01:25:24,300 I won't. 1570 01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:27,367 There used to be a guy that used to. 1571 01:25:28,433 --> 01:25:29,833 There used to be a couple of brothers. 1572 01:25:29,833 --> 01:25:32,367 They used to come in to the East LA shop. 1573 01:25:33,067 --> 01:25:34,367 The Diaz brothers, okay? 1574 01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:36,167 And one Diaz in particular used to. 1575 01:25:37,333 --> 01:25:38,633 Every time he used to come in, he'd say, 1576 01:25:38,633 --> 01:25:40,600 "Jack from way back." 1577 01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:42,433 He's older than baseball. 1578 01:25:43,767 --> 01:25:45,233 But he knew Moby Dick when he was just a sardine. 1579 01:25:46,100 --> 01:25:47,267 And he always said that to me. 1580 01:25:48,433 --> 01:25:49,233 And I was like, "That sounds pretty cool, homes." 1581 01:25:50,567 --> 01:25:52,367 I like the way that sounds 'Jack from way back'. 1582 01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:55,700 But, like, that's more of a like a name for a veterano, you know? 1583 01:25:56,833 --> 01:25:58,567 "A guy's that been around for a long, long time." 1584 01:25:59,967 --> 01:26:04,400 And he goes, "Don't worry, homes. You'll grow into it." 1585 01:26:05,133 --> 01:26:06,767 Was he right or what? 133717

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