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First of all, my mom.
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There was a point
where she was in the hospital
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for, like, two weeks, and we
really thought that was it.
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She has this thing where her
white blood cells go down
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and her blood thins
out into water.
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You know, just praying every
day, every day, every day.
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You know, it might seem
that God is choking you,
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but it's just a test of faith.
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By having my tattoo on the back,
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it just feels that I
have my mom with me.
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I'm always gonna
carry her with me.
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When I pray at night,
I feel like she's there with me,
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praying with me,
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and it's just this bond
that I have with my mom,
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and it's just faith.
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When I was getting tattooed,
I mean, I could just think,
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Wow, this ain't even half of
what my mom goes through every
day.
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It's just I feel
her closer to me.
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I know God and the Virgin Mary
has my back and my mom, so...
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It's just...
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You know, I mean, I don't want
to be like anybody else.
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You know, I definitely want
to have my own thing,
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and we're all created unique,
you know what I mean?
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There's something different
about each and every one of us,
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and it's just a matter
of getting to know who you are.
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You know, I want to really
tell a story on my skin,
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so when people see it,
they can more or less read
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instead of having a saying,
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instead of putting writing,
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I wanted to put my thoughts,
my story into it
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but in images.
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It was an angel.
It was Cupid, and it just.
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For me, it really symbolized
freedom and the wings of an
angel.
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Being able to rise above the
trials and tribulations
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that you go through in life.
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When somebody asks me, "Which
one is your favorite tattoo?",
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that's the equivalent
of asking somebody like,
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Which one of your children
is your favorite?
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You can't pick just one.
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Tattoos were once seen
as a sign of rebellion,
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a middle finger salute
to the rest of the world.
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Outlaw bikers
got tattoos.
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Sailors in Singapore
got tattoos.
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Lifers in the joint
got tattoos.
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But now...
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What do you think of all the
ink that my audience has?
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I love it! It's so good.
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It's estimated 15% of Americans
have tattoos
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and that number rises to 40%
in the age group 26 to 40.
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Tattoos used to be
a sign of rebellion.
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Now it's just a sign
you've been to the mall.
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Everyplace you go,
everywhere you look,
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it seems like someone's
wearing ink.
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Why do you like tattoos?
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I think everybody's got a way
of expressing their feelings,
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and mine is for my tattoos.
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So what happened?
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How did tattoo go from
something that was put on
you
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to an expression
that comes from within you?
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- Hey.
- What's up, Freddy?
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How are you doing?
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This is actually a design
that Danielle came up with.
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Now, this tattoo started out
as a little cover up.
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My daughter had said she had
a terrible tattoo on her hip
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that she didn't like,
so she'd cover it up.
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Sure, go ahead.
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So I sent her to Freddy.
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Just a generation ago,
it was unthinkable
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for a father to take his
daughter into a tattoo
parlor.
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It was even more unusual
for him to stick around
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and watch her get one.
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For years, tattoos have had
an image problem.
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In fact, not so very long
ago, in many parts of the
world,
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tattooing wasn't just frowned
upon, it was illegal.
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Even though a number
of brave service men
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came home from World War II
wearing fresh ink,
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tattooers and their clients
were considered by most
others
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to be on the
fringe of society.
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In those days,
if you opened a shop,
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you opened a shop in Skid Row
or you didn't open at all
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because nobody would look
for you anywhere else.
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A lot of times,
tattooers back in that period
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would actually adopt
a needle name
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to protect their family
from embarrassment.
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By the 1960s, many people
got their tattoos in secret
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behind closed doors.
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If you were caught tattooing
during the period of time
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that it was illegal
in New York City,
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there was a $500 fine,
a misdemeanor charge,
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and then they would confiscate
all of your tattoo equipment.
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Well, when I started
in Massachusetts,
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of course it was illegal.
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So I tattooed probably
the first year or so
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only out of this
motorcycle club clubhouse,
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and every time
I saw a really amazing tattoo,
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it seemed to be from the Pike.
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I'd ask guys, "Where'd
you get that?"
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And they'd be like,
"Oh, California."
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I'm like, "Where?", and they'd
say, "Long Beach, at the Pike."
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The Pike goes back to the 1800s.
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It was initially a fishing pier
that they built off Long Beach.
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People started building rides,
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then concessions came in,
restaurants came in.
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At one time there was a dozen
tattoo shops.
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There were few that rivaled it
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for concentration of tattooers
in one place.
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In those days,
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you're talking about 300 shops
in the whole United States.
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So there wasn't
that many choices.
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Everybody knew the Pike
was where to go get a tattoo.
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There was all those military
bases, training bases.
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The 7th fleet was there in Los
Angeles and San Pedro, so it was
all.
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You know, there was tons of
military in Southern California,
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so of course they were drawn
to this amusement area.
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There were not a lot of
civilians getting tattooed.
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It was military pay-day
two weekends a month.
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72 hours of just hardcore
sailors, Marines, and military.
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Sometimes they would work 24
hours, they would work around
the clock.
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Sometimes if the shop
had enough staff,
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they would actually be open
for three days straight,
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the whole weekend.
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They wouldn't even close.
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We were doing strictly
what was on the wall,
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and it was pretty eclectic.
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You know, your basic roses,
eagles, ribbons.
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We did a lot of Marine
Corps stuff in the '60s.
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A lot of Marine bulldogs,
and eagle, globe, and anchors.
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We put on good tattoos,
but we put them on fast
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because you were doing
Virgin Marys this big for $15.
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You know, you couldn't spend two
hours on it like you do today.
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So we put them on in 20 minutes.
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Most tattoos offered
at The Pike
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were in the style now
referred to as traditional.
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They were cartoon-like
designs displayed on sheets
called flash.
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With limited choices
and only four colors,
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tattoo was a
one-way street.
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You went into a tattoo shop, you
picked a design off the wall,
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and you had it tattooed on you.
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I mean, maybe you could change
the color
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if the tattooer
wasn't too ornery.
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We had so much business from
just what was coming in off the
door
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that we didn't need to
specialize or do custom work.
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We used to tell people, "If it
ain't on the wall, we don't have
it."
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Even with all
that business,
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Pike tattooers weren't likely
to hire or train new talent.
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For one thing,
a lot of the older tattooers
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wouldn't give up
any of the cool secrets.
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The guys would leave.
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They wouldn't know
how to make needles,
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they wouldn't know
how to make ink.
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The guys they worked for would
supply them with this stuff
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because they didn't want them
to leave.
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I mean, back then you'd ask
somebody to work on your
machine.
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If they would even do it,
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if they weren't going to
take it and fuck it up more,
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if they were actually going
to do something good to it,
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there's a good chance
they'd turn around
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and, you know, kind of hide it
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and do what they needed to do
and hand it back to you.
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And it was that mentality.
"Why won't you show me?"
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Cause if I show you,
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then you're going to go do
something on your own.
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Most artists didn't talk
with each other in those days.
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You didn't go visit
the other guy's shops.
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If you opened a shop up within
20 miles of where they were,
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man, they'd break your windows
out or superglue your locks.
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But in the 1970s, there was a
place where tattoos were
accepted
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and tattoo artists
seemed to flourish.
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It was a place where the
secrets of tattoo were openly
shared
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and the boundaries of what
you could do with a needle and
ink
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were being tested
day after day.
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That place was prison,
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and the inmates
who were pushing the art?
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They were mostly
Mexican-Americans.
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By the mid 20th Century,
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there were hundreds of
thousands of
Mexican-Americans
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living and working
in the American Southwest.
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As they came to the cities
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and they established
different barrios,
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some in rural areas,
some in urban areas,
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some in suburban areas,
different locations...
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They were close to jobs
in certain occupations,
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and that's where you find
Mexican barrios rising.
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Some of those people in Los
Angeles had ancestors in the
Southwest
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for hundreds of years
when it was part of Mexico,
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Yet they were treated
as second-class citizens.
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There was a segment
of the population, 10-15%,
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that lost out somehow
and got lost in the shuffle,
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fell between the cracks,
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and that segment of youth
within those groups,
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they began to hang out in
the streets more regularly,
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and on the streets
they created their own culture,
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which is a syncretic culture,
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part of the pachuco thing.
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Pachuco culture
had its own unique style.
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Wide brim hats,
suits with broad shoulders,
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pleated pants with tight
cuffs, zoot suits.
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But it was the tattoo that
truly bonded many of the
men.
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The pachuco cross was a
symbol of belonging to a
group
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that others saw
as outsiders.
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It's almost like your baptizing
on the streets
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and you have the imprimatur
of the tattoo.
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And it started off with little
crosses here and little dots
there
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and maybe a little heart
with their girlfriend's name.
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By the 1970s,
pachuco was old school.
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Their descendants
called themselves "cholo".
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As from the Spanish word "solo".
Cholo.
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That's the play on words.
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In other words, you're alone,
you're abandoned,
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you're marginal, you're solo.
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Pobrecito.
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But there was a lot more to
cholo culture than just
attitude.
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It was also the way you walked,
the way you talked,
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the way you dressed, and the
way you adorned your car.
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The lowrider car and all that
goes with slow and smooth.
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You know, laid-back,
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sort of walking
like you're leaning backwards.
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It's all part of a new cultural
invention and creation.
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I grew up around
East Los Angeles,
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and it was pretty much a norm
getting tattooed and seeing
tattoos,
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and everyone's dads or uncles
or somebody in the family
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always had tattoos.
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People's older brothers or
someone would come out of jail
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and they'd always have
a homemade machine around
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and everyone would
doodle with it.
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Eventually you get good, you
know, if you stick with it.
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Prison left cholos with
plenty of time on their
hands.
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Guys who had never even
thought about art before
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now passed the time drawing
on letters and
handkerchiefs,
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but the ones who got
the most attention
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were the guys who
could tattoo.
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Well, in '65 and '66 in prison,
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Chicanismo was just coming
into play.
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Cesar Chavez was banding
together United Farm Workers,
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and it was a lot of brown pride,
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and so, people started becoming
real ethnically aware.
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They started putting tattoos of
Mexican flags and Mexican women.
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They were locked up,
and they would, you know,
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draw on paper and envelopes the
images of what they were into,
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which is, you know,
stuff that made them think
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of their time in
the neighborhood
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the Virgin Mary their mother
had on the wall,
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or, you know, that
kind of stuff,
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and guys would start doing it in
prison and then they'd get out
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and they started tattooing in
the street a little bit like
that
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because you couldn't really go
into a shop
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and, you know, get these things
that were sacred to them.
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You had tattoos that identified
you with a particular barrio.
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And then when you
went to prison,
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the other guys that were part of
that barrio would make you get
one
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to sort of show that you were
part of their group, of their
collective.
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So tattoos began to proliferate.
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Tattoos were illegal in prison
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so you had to have somebody
watch out for the guards.
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I did a little Mexican lady
with a sombrero.
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And we started in Quentin,
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and in '65, your little machines
hadn't come into play yet.
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So Harry "Super Jew" Ross,
a guy from this neighborhood,
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a friend of mine, he actually
did the outline with needle and
thread:
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E-string of a guitar
in a toothbrush
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bang, bang, bang bang bang
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which is probably the most
painful way in the world to get
a tattoo.
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Little did Danny
Trejo know,
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but he was witnessing the
start of an entirely new style
of tattoo.
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And one of the pioneers of
that style was Freddy
Negrete.
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My mother was born of Jewish
immigrants in Boyle Heights.
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My father was a suave Pachuco,
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and my mother also
joined a gang,
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and both my mother and my
father ended up in prison.
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So, my sister and I, we ended up
in a foster home in San Gabriel,
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and I would have to say
that all that trauma
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made me like a troubled youth,
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and I was searching
for identity.
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Was I white? Was I Mexican?
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So by the time I was 12,
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I found security
in joining a Hispanic gang,
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and I went from juvenile hall
to boys' homes.
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It seemed like the only time
that I was out,
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I was running away
from some boys' home.
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And I'd go to my neighborhood
and I'd be a crazy gangster,
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and then I'd get arrested again.
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I was in juvenile hall, and
they brought this other guy in.
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He was an older
guy, maybe 15-16.
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He had tattoos all
over, you know.
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And I was like, "Whoa, man!"
I was so impressed.
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He was really cool with me,
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and he started telling me this
is how they do it in prison.
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That afternoon I got out.
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I rigged up that little
tattoo needle like he said,
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and it wasn't long before I
became like the neighborhood
tattoo artist.
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In prisons, one of the things
that separates Chicanos
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from other ethnic groups
is their sense sharing things.
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So that sharing notion,
that collective notion
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is part of the
cultural heritage.
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We got the plans from, I
remember, Susanville Prison,
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on how to make a rotary tattoo
machine out of a cassette motor.
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In the 1970s,
California authorities saw
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they could ease the tension
from prison overcrowding
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by allowing inmates to have
cassette players to listen to
music.
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With a cassette motor,
an ordinary pen shaft,
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and an E-string
from a guitar,
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ingenious inmates automated
the hand poke tattoo.
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The slow speed of the motor
allowed the ink to be
carried
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to the end of the
sharpened guitar string.
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It was fairly quiet.
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It didn't take a lot of power,
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so if you put in a good-sized
battery behind, it'd last for
hours.
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To make ink, they'll burn
different types of papers.
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Bibles, pages out of magazines,
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catalogues,
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some departmental forms
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that the ash, liquefied with
water, would get different
colors of blacks.
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I heard about the fact
that if you took the ink
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and put it in the window,
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it would evaporate
and become blacker,
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and that if you added a little
bit of water or baby oil to the
ink,
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it would become lighter,
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so we were creating
black, dark black, grey.
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These new tones
of black-and-grey ink
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gave tattoos a quality of
shading and dimension never seen
before.
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If you were around
the Chicano culture at all,
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you had seen those
images before,
323
00:17:45,867 --> 00:17:47,333
and they were iconic,
they were classics.
324
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It was more the expertise that
they were rendered with in the
skin
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that was the most amazing thing
about them.
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Actually, if it wasn't for the
events that took place in youth
authority,
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I probably would have never
become a professional tattoo
artist.
328
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I was in Preston
School of Industry,
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so they had all
the trades there,
330
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and I ended up working the
camera room in the print shop,
331
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and, you know, one of the
homies, he was the foreman.
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So he got me in
on the print shop thing,
333
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and so then we got
a few other homies.
334
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So we got all homies
from our lodge.
335
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And the teacher of
the print shop,
336
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he let us do all kinds
of side projects.
337
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I would draw these tattoo
designs, all the Chicano style
things
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the "Smile Now, Cry Later",
the charra, skulls.
339
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You know, crazy tattoo stuff,
340
00:18:37,333 --> 00:18:38,267
but it was mostly
revolutionary stuff
341
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girls with gun bullets
and things like that.
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I would draw those up on paper,
a good size, we'd reduce them
down,
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and then we'd print them
on stationary,
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and down in the corner, there'd
be one of the little tattoo
designs.
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We printed hundreds of thousands
of copies of that stuff.
346
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They'd write their letters home,
347
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everybody would mail them to
prisons and other institutions
348
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to where my designs
made it all over the place.
349
00:19:15,067 --> 00:19:18,067
Jack Rudy grew up in the
1960s near Los Angeles.
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When he was 17,
351
00:19:20,933 --> 00:19:23,033
he turned his father's
electric razor into a tattoo
machine.
352
00:19:24,333 --> 00:19:26,633
Yeah, I started tattooing
by hand when I was 15.
353
00:19:27,733 --> 00:19:30,167
You know,
me and my homeboy Manuel,
354
00:19:30,167 --> 00:19:32,367
we decided to tattoo ourselves
one fine day.
355
00:19:33,567 --> 00:19:36,967
And so, we're at my
mom's house, you know.
356
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Found a good sharp
sewing needle,
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and, you know, wrapped
some thread around it
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'cause that's what someone said
to do,
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00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,767
and we he put mom
on three of his four fingers,
360
00:19:48,767 --> 00:19:49,467
and I did that tarantula.
361
00:19:50,633 --> 00:19:52,500
That's the first tattoo
I ever did right there.
362
00:19:53,667 --> 00:19:56,100
Jack did have like kind
of a Chicano background.
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He was brought up
in a Chicano neighborhood.
364
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Ochentas in the airport area,
365
00:20:03,867 --> 00:20:06,167
and that's how he got
his nickname "Huero"
366
00:20:06,167 --> 00:20:09,267
because he was a white guy and
he was into the lowrider cars.
367
00:20:09,267 --> 00:20:11,233
He was kind of like the
non-gangster kind of Hispanic.
368
00:20:12,233 --> 00:20:14,000
We used to call
them Continentals.
369
00:20:15,267 --> 00:20:17,733
My Dad used to call me Huero
when I was a kid.
370
00:20:17,733 --> 00:20:20,733
I was adopted,
but my dad was Mexican,
371
00:20:20,733 --> 00:20:22,233
and so he called me that
because I was.
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00:20:23,700 --> 00:20:28,367
You know, and when I was 18
and went in the Marine Corps,
373
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turned 19 in boot camp and got
out with my friend, Terry,
374
00:20:31,833 --> 00:20:34,867
who wanted me to tattoo him
when we got out.
375
00:20:34,867 --> 00:20:37,667
And my machine was like
shocking me, kind of.
376
00:20:39,133 --> 00:20:40,233
It wasn't working right, so I
go, "Hey, let's go down the Pike"
377
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,333
and see if there's anybody good
down there."
378
00:20:43,333 --> 00:20:46,600
So we go down there, went
into "Long Beach Tattoo Studio,"
379
00:20:47,900 --> 00:20:50,100
where Good-Time Charlie
just happened to be working.
380
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:52,233
We walked over and we seen
this like long-haired
381
00:20:53,100 --> 00:20:53,567
biker-looking dude, you know,
382
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:55,033
real cool-looking and stuff,
383
00:20:56,533 --> 00:20:58,300
was like, "Oh, this guy looks
cool, man. Let's hit him up."
384
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:00,467
Terry hits him up.
He's got a design.
385
00:21:01,500 --> 00:21:02,333
Hey, can you do
this, and all this?
386
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,067
And he's like, "Yeah, yeah, I'll
do that for you, no problem."
387
00:21:06,533 --> 00:21:07,167
And he goes like, "Yeah, but I
don't want no color in it, man."
388
00:21:07,767 --> 00:21:08,100
Is that cool?"
389
00:21:09,533 --> 00:21:11,267
And he goes, "Yeah I like
doin' 'em without any color."
390
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,167
So that blew our minds right
there 'cause in those days, that
was rare.
391
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,500
Nobody really wanted a tattoo
without color.
392
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,000
I really always liked tattoos
that were just black and skin
393
00:21:26,467 --> 00:21:29,333
and whatever it took in between
there in the form of shading.
394
00:21:30,733 --> 00:21:32,767
Pretty shading to me made
all the difference in the world.
395
00:21:34,367 --> 00:21:35,500
Charlie was a hand
poke tattooer.
396
00:21:36,967 --> 00:21:39,200
He grew up in Kansas in a
strictly religious family.
397
00:21:40,033 --> 00:21:40,433
His father was a preacher
398
00:21:41,900 --> 00:21:43,633
who came from a long line
of Pentecostal ministers.
399
00:21:45,100 --> 00:21:47,533
He wasn't too pleased when he
found out his youngest son
400
00:21:47,533 --> 00:21:51,067
was being tattooed by Charlie.
401
00:21:51,067 --> 00:21:54,333
I was warned by him not to
tattoo my younger brother again,
402
00:21:55,033 --> 00:21:56,367
which I did repeatedly.
403
00:21:57,533 --> 00:22:01,233
And he discovered it
at some point later on,
404
00:22:02,233 --> 00:22:04,967
and I was gone a
lot in those days,
405
00:22:04,967 --> 00:22:07,100
and so, when I did come back
home to see the family,
406
00:22:08,500 --> 00:22:10,467
I was met with an uppercut
when I walked into the kitchen.
407
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,767
And so, to this day,
my jaw still pops.
408
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,233
I slid down the wall, got up,
and says, "Well, okay, I'm
leaving!"
409
00:22:22,233 --> 00:22:24,733
And he came after me a
couple weeks later and said,
410
00:22:24,733 --> 00:22:25,400
Your mom wants you to come home.
411
00:22:27,100 --> 00:22:31,433
And I says, "Well, are we ever
going to talk about tattoos
again?"
412
00:22:31,433 --> 00:22:32,500
'Cause, " I says, " I don't know
how to explain it to you, Dad,
413
00:22:33,833 --> 00:22:35,500
but I'm always gonna dig them,
and I always will."
414
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:37,767
All right, folks, step right up.
Step right up here.
415
00:22:40,067 --> 00:22:41,600
When I came to California,
I couldn't quite figure out
416
00:22:43,067 --> 00:22:47,067
how to fit into the professional
scheme of things, tattoo-wise.
417
00:22:48,467 --> 00:22:51,100
When I realized that most
professionals were quite Carney
418
00:22:51,933 --> 00:22:53,067
in their approach to tattooing,
419
00:22:54,067 --> 00:22:56,233
I just kind of was
repulsed by it.
420
00:22:57,700 --> 00:22:59,333
Charlie came to me for the first
job that he got in tattooing,
421
00:23:00,033 --> 00:23:00,600
professional tattooing,
422
00:23:01,433 --> 00:23:02,033
and I put him with Captain Jim,
423
00:23:03,733 --> 00:23:06,667
and Captain Jim put him down at
the shop on the Pike, the 362
Shop.
424
00:23:08,100 --> 00:23:10,100
He told Jim up front, he said,
"I'm gonna learn this way"
425
00:23:11,233 --> 00:23:12,367
because he had never used
tattoo machines.
426
00:23:13,733 --> 00:23:15,467
His hand poke was as good
as anybody's machine work
427
00:23:16,167 --> 00:23:16,333
any day of the week.
428
00:23:17,333 --> 00:23:17,667
You couldn't tell
the difference.
429
00:23:19,033 --> 00:23:19,567
He said as soon as he got
the information he needed,
430
00:23:20,567 --> 00:23:21,467
he was going to
open his own shop.
431
00:23:21,467 --> 00:23:22,667
He was upfront about that.
432
00:23:24,100 --> 00:23:28,700
So, Charlie tattooed my friend,
and we hit it off real good.
433
00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:30,233
He was over at the
side doodling.
434
00:23:31,733 --> 00:23:34,433
I picked that up, and I thought,
435
00:23:34,433 --> 00:23:38,067
"Well, I'm probably looking at
maybe 8 or 10 styles of gang
writing,"
436
00:23:38,867 --> 00:23:40,267
a real nice cursive name,
437
00:23:41,300 --> 00:23:42,567
maybe a touch of realism
in over here
438
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:44,667
and some cartooning,
blah-blah-blah.
439
00:23:46,133 --> 00:23:47,633
And I thought, "Well, this guy
really has something to offer."
440
00:23:48,767 --> 00:23:50,100
And at one point,
I remember telling him,
441
00:23:51,567 --> 00:23:52,433
"Hey, you know where I think
would be a really great shop?"
442
00:23:53,500 --> 00:23:56,167
A really great
location for a shop?
443
00:23:56,167 --> 00:23:59,633
And he's like, "Where?"
And I said, "East LA, man.
444
00:23:59,633 --> 00:24:01,700
Like, between the low-riders,
and cholos, and people over
there,
445
00:24:02,700 --> 00:24:04,367
"man, that'd be a
great, great place."
446
00:24:05,700 --> 00:24:07,100
And he just like kind of
smiled, you know, and he goes,
447
00:24:08,300 --> 00:24:09,467
"Wow, man, I've been thinking
the same thing."
448
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:11,367
I'm going to open a shop over
there one of these days,
449
00:24:12,867 --> 00:24:15,567
and when I do, you know, how'd
you like to come work for me?
450
00:24:16,767 --> 00:24:18,233
I said, "If you give me
your grandma's number"
451
00:24:18,967 --> 00:24:19,367
or your mama's number,
452
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,000
somebody who will always know
where you are,
453
00:24:23,300 --> 00:24:25,400
"and when the time is right,
I'll break you in."
454
00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:27,100
And he said, "Yeah?"
455
00:24:28,267 --> 00:24:30,033
And I said, "But if you even
ask me once",
456
00:24:31,300 --> 00:24:32,767
'When are we going to get
started?' it's off."
457
00:24:35,433 --> 00:24:39,067
Charlie Cartwright, Jack
Rudy, and Freddy Negrete
458
00:24:39,067 --> 00:24:41,033
were on three separate paths
that would soon collide.
459
00:24:52,900 --> 00:24:56,200
In the 1970s, Whittier
Boulevard was Main Street
460
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,667
for Southern California's
Chicano culture.
461
00:24:58,667 --> 00:25:00,700
Everyone brought
their best.
462
00:25:06,367 --> 00:25:08,167
David Oropeza grew
up in Compton,
463
00:25:09,933 --> 00:25:13,033
but on weekend nights you
could find him on Whittier
Boulevard,
464
00:25:13,033 --> 00:25:13,367
Everything happened
at the Boulevard,
465
00:25:14,467 --> 00:25:14,700
and the Boulevard
happened at night.
466
00:25:16,100 --> 00:25:19,200
Sunday night was the best night,
and you would start early
467
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:20,700
polishing the car,
getting your clothes ready.
468
00:25:21,533 --> 00:25:23,400
I mean, you've gotta impress.
469
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,167
When we came out here, it was
almost like a competition.
470
00:25:26,367 --> 00:25:28,367
Everybody wanted to see
what you came up with.
471
00:25:28,367 --> 00:25:30,133
Cars would line up.
472
00:25:30,133 --> 00:25:31,100
Sometimes it would take an hour
just to cruise the boulevard,
473
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:32,433
you would move so slow.
474
00:25:33,133 --> 00:25:34,700
You bump your music.
475
00:25:39,700 --> 00:25:41,033
If you wanted trouble, you would
find it here at the boulevard.
476
00:25:42,333 --> 00:25:43,500
If you wanted love,
you would find it here, too.
477
00:25:44,033 --> 00:25:45,267
It's here.
478
00:25:47,367 --> 00:25:48,100
That was like a dream for me,
you know,
479
00:25:49,433 --> 00:25:52,467
to be seeing those cars
cruising on Whittier Boulevard
480
00:25:53,767 --> 00:25:57,067
and just seeing all of those
crazy candy apple colors
481
00:25:57,067 --> 00:25:58,167
and the guys walking up
in between the cars
482
00:25:59,333 --> 00:26:02,700
selling sherm sticks
and marijuana smoke.
483
00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:04,333
It was a beautiful thing
over there, man.
484
00:26:05,033 --> 00:26:05,300
Everything was here.
485
00:26:06,733 --> 00:26:08,400
I mean, the boulevard, she gave
everything to you, you know.
486
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,100
It's what you made it.
487
00:26:10,100 --> 00:26:11,100
You wanted to have a good time,
you could have a good time.
488
00:26:12,933 --> 00:26:16,433
In 1974, Charlie Cartwright
began cruising Whittier
Boulevard as well,
489
00:26:17,867 --> 00:26:19,433
looking for a location to
open his first tattoo shop.
490
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,533
His friends thought
he was crazy.
491
00:26:22,533 --> 00:26:24,267
There was a lot of skepticism
492
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,200
because they said,
"There's no money there."
493
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,400
And no one's tattooed
in East Los Angeles
494
00:26:31,100 --> 00:26:32,233
"since World War II."
495
00:26:33,533 --> 00:26:35,467
And I said, "I know it's
tattoo heaven right there."
496
00:26:36,467 --> 00:26:39,733
And I looked every
day for a year.
497
00:26:39,733 --> 00:26:43,033
But when I found it, I just
I knew.
498
00:26:43,033 --> 00:26:45,533
I got shivers up my back.
I knew that was the spot.
499
00:26:46,367 --> 00:26:47,233
In the summer of '75,
500
00:26:48,667 --> 00:26:50,233
Charlie made good on his
promise to call Jack Rudy,
501
00:26:51,667 --> 00:26:52,400
They started
working together,
502
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,433
using an unusual approach
with their customers.
503
00:26:56,867 --> 00:26:59,333
I just thought, "I'm just going
to do custom stuff, period."
504
00:27:00,333 --> 00:27:01,100
Whatever they want.
Who cares?
505
00:27:02,300 --> 00:27:04,100
Whatever they want,
just give it to them.
506
00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:05,400
Give them the haircut
they want, you know?
507
00:27:06,733 --> 00:27:12,133
So I became the gopher,
helper, tattooer, all in one,
508
00:27:12,133 --> 00:27:13,567
and started that summer
with him like that,
509
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,533
and, you know, man, it took off.
510
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,100
I remember this guy,
Johnny Caranza,
511
00:27:22,467 --> 00:27:24,100
the first guy I ever tattooed,
was a friend of mine.
512
00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:25,233
And he goes like, he goes,
513
00:27:26,533 --> 00:27:28,633
Hey, you been doing
a little practicing, right?
514
00:27:28,633 --> 00:27:30,367
I go, "Oh, yeah, homes.
Charlie's been bringing me some
winos to work on."
515
00:27:31,167 --> 00:27:32,700
Which was not true at all.
516
00:27:34,267 --> 00:27:37,067
But it sounded good, and I
didn't want Johnny to be too
nervous
517
00:27:37,067 --> 00:27:40,367
and go like, "Well, I don't
want your first one, man!"
518
00:27:40,367 --> 00:27:41,667
And I think I had the machine
probably running a little hard.
519
00:27:43,033 --> 00:27:44,033
And Johnny was talking
and moving all over the place,
520
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:46,633
and man, I'm lucky that thing
came out okay at all!
521
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,367
In those days,
professional tattoo machines
522
00:27:52,700 --> 00:27:54,467
usually had between
three and seven needles.
523
00:27:56,067 --> 00:27:57,367
Tattoo artists called them by
the number of needles they
had
524
00:27:58,533 --> 00:28:00,567
such as "threes", "fours",
and "fives".
525
00:28:01,933 --> 00:28:04,167
But there was a lot pressure
to make thinner lines.
526
00:28:05,833 --> 00:28:08,233
It was our customers that kept
requesting fine-line, single
needle,
527
00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:09,567
you know, like guitar string.
528
00:28:11,167 --> 00:28:12,700
"Hey, can you vatos do, you
know, like they do in the
Pinta."
529
00:28:13,733 --> 00:28:15,167
The, you know,
extra-fine line action?
530
00:28:16,367 --> 00:28:19,333
It was like, "Yeah, man,
we're working on it."
531
00:28:19,333 --> 00:28:21,033
So we tried making threes
and really making them tight.
532
00:28:22,533 --> 00:28:24,033
And in those days, you know,
everybody made their own
needles,
533
00:28:25,867 --> 00:28:28,267
and, well, one day we just like,
we're looking at a three, and
just realized,
534
00:28:29,467 --> 00:28:30,100
"Well, hell, if you just take
one of them"
535
00:28:31,267 --> 00:28:32,433
and pull it forward
past the other two,
536
00:28:33,633 --> 00:28:35,267
like, say a quarter-an-inch,
there you go.
537
00:28:37,067 --> 00:28:38,400
And so the two needles on the
bottom, because it was like a
triangle,
538
00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:41,233
it helped feed that ink,
and it worked like a champ.
539
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,200
So that's how modern
single needle was born.
540
00:28:45,633 --> 00:28:49,667
With a faster motor, Charlie
and Jack's single needles
541
00:28:50,833 --> 00:28:52,067
produced the quality
of a prison tattoo
542
00:28:53,767 --> 00:28:55,500
in a fraction of the time
that it would take in the
joint.
543
00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:57,100
One of their
first customers
544
00:28:58,367 --> 00:28:59,500
turned out to be one
of their most memorable.
545
00:29:00,633 --> 00:29:02,500
He went by the
name of Poco Loco.
546
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:08,000
Remember the time we did
our first collaborative tattoo?
547
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,500
- Poco was this broad.
- Yeah, and he wanted a big.
548
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:12,600
Roses all the way
across his back.
549
00:29:13,767 --> 00:29:16,133
Charlie was on one side,
and I was on the other,
550
00:29:16,133 --> 00:29:18,300
and we met in the middle, and
Poco, his teeth were chattering.
551
00:29:19,500 --> 00:29:21,900
He was just like, "Man."
He couldn't.
552
00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:24,333
Stereophonic tattooing
in stereophonic pain.
553
00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:34,033
In 1977, the second ever
tattoo convention
554
00:29:35,133 --> 00:29:36,033
was planned for
Reno, Nevada.
555
00:29:37,467 --> 00:29:39,367
The first one, held the
previous year in Houston,
556
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:41,700
wasn't well attended.
557
00:29:42,867 --> 00:29:44,167
This time would be
a different story.
558
00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:47,100
San Francisco tattoo
artist Ed Hardy
559
00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:51,100
was scheduled as the keynote
speaker for the Reno event.
560
00:29:52,567 --> 00:29:56,300
Ed grew up near San Diego
in Corona Del Mar.
561
00:29:56,300 --> 00:29:59,700
Knowing from a very young age
that he wanted to be an
artist,
562
00:29:59,700 --> 00:30:01,400
he became obsessed with
tattooing when he was
10-years-old,
563
00:30:03,433 --> 00:30:06,100
He began painting fake
tattoos on the kids in the
neighborhood.
564
00:30:07,567 --> 00:30:09,433
Whenever they could, the boys
made trips up to the Pike
565
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,233
to see how the
pros did it.
566
00:30:12,533 --> 00:30:13,100
We'd go up on a Greyhound
and hang-out all day,
567
00:30:14,233 --> 00:30:15,133
and I'd watch these
guys get tattooed.
568
00:30:16,167 --> 00:30:17,333
And Bert Grimm's
was the most flashy.
569
00:30:18,567 --> 00:30:20,267
It had the most, you know,
tattoo look to it.
570
00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:22,900
The whole Carney kind of a vibe.
571
00:30:22,900 --> 00:30:24,567
Big windows filled
with super powerful flash.
572
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,100
The whole thing was mesmerizing.
573
00:30:28,567 --> 00:30:30,367
Ed Hardy graduated from the
San Francisco Art Institute
574
00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:31,667
in 1967.
575
00:30:33,733 --> 00:30:35,200
He turned down a teaching
fellowship at Yale
University
576
00:30:36,333 --> 00:30:38,733
to return to his
first love tattoo.
577
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,200
Inspired by Japanese
tattoo collectors
578
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,600
who covered themselves with
what they called
"bodysuits",
579
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,333
Hardy's work pushed the
boundaries of color and
concept.
580
00:30:50,233 --> 00:30:53,167
He built a reputation by
introducing the Japanese style
of large tattoos
581
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,767
with coherent
Western themes.
582
00:30:57,467 --> 00:30:58,567
Like Charlie Cartwright,
583
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,500
Ed Hardy thought the customer
should have more say so
584
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,167
in the design of
their tattoo.
585
00:31:05,533 --> 00:31:08,367
I came back from Japan
and opened "Realistic Tattoo,"
586
00:31:10,033 --> 00:31:12,667
which was the first
appointment-only totally custom
tattoo studio
587
00:31:13,367 --> 00:31:14,000
that I know of anywhere.
588
00:31:15,367 --> 00:31:16,333
And my whole premise was,
"We have reference stuff,
589
00:31:17,167 --> 00:31:19,367
but you come in with your idea."
590
00:31:19,367 --> 00:31:21,167
That's what my first business
card, the punch line on it was,
591
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:23,433
Wear your dreams,
and that was my attitude.
592
00:31:24,733 --> 00:31:26,667
By the time the Reno
convention rolled around,
593
00:31:26,667 --> 00:31:28,167
Ed Hardy had
established himself
594
00:31:29,567 --> 00:31:31,067
as one of their premier
tattoo artists in the world.
595
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:34,100
We decided to go to
this convention.
596
00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:35,167
It was really the first big
convention that had been thrown,
597
00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:37,567
and we thought, "Well, we want
to go in there and really, you
know",
598
00:31:38,733 --> 00:31:40,100
strut our stuff
and blow everybody's minds."
599
00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:42,167
We had the ammo to do it.
600
00:31:42,167 --> 00:31:43,067
We had people with, you know,
extreme tattoos
601
00:31:43,867 --> 00:31:44,233
that nobody had ever seen
602
00:31:45,667 --> 00:31:48,167
in terms of the workmanship
and subject matter and finesse.
603
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,167
They drew some
good crowds there.
604
00:31:51,967 --> 00:31:54,600
Back in East LA, Jack Rudy
convinced Charlie Cartwright and
Poco Loco
605
00:31:55,767 --> 00:31:57,000
to go to Reno
just to have a look around.
606
00:31:58,933 --> 00:32:00,500
Chuck Eldridge was part
of Ed Hardy's group.
607
00:32:01,167 --> 00:32:03,100
It was a big deal,
608
00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:07,567
and I think it was probably late
Saturday or maybe early Sunday,
609
00:32:09,300 --> 00:32:12,700
Charlie Cartwright, Jack Rudy,
and two or three of their
customers
610
00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:14,433
came onto the convention floor.
611
00:32:15,133 --> 00:32:16,000
And everybody saw them,
612
00:32:17,433 --> 00:32:20,167
and all of a sudden there became
this kind of crowd around them,
613
00:32:21,467 --> 00:32:23,767
like, you know, people amazed
by this tattooing.
614
00:32:24,833 --> 00:32:26,633
I can remember them walking by,
615
00:32:27,933 --> 00:32:28,433
and they weren't like
threatening-looking guys,
616
00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:30,433
but they all, you know,
the beards and the whole.
617
00:32:31,533 --> 00:32:32,100
They were just in
a different world
618
00:32:33,700 --> 00:32:36,667
than what us sort of art school
escapees, you know, and
hipsters.
619
00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:39,533
Our street cred
was a little different.
620
00:32:39,533 --> 00:32:41,100
And these guys walked through,
621
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,600
and I remembered that I saw
Poco Loco from the back,
622
00:32:44,867 --> 00:32:45,667
and he had I think he
had the end of the trail,
623
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,767
that classic painting
of the Indian on the horse,
624
00:32:49,767 --> 00:32:51,833
you know, with his lance down.
625
00:32:51,833 --> 00:32:52,333
We just didn't know
what to make of it.
626
00:32:53,767 --> 00:32:56,167
It was kind of like, "What's
going on? This is so crazy!"
627
00:32:57,300 --> 00:32:57,500
You know, and we jumped
out of the booth,
628
00:32:58,567 --> 00:32:59,100
introduced ourselves
to these guys.
629
00:33:00,533 --> 00:33:03,000
They were all friendly. We were
all excited to meet each other.
630
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,167
Well, as those guys approached
us, and Ed tells me,
631
00:33:06,167 --> 00:33:08,033
he says, "Well, this is just
blowing my mind."
632
00:33:08,733 --> 00:33:09,033
And I says, "What?"
633
00:33:10,767 --> 00:33:14,500
And he says, "The work that's
walking around on this fat guy
here."
634
00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:15,500
We had built a clever booth,
635
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,100
and we had presented it
in a really killer fashion,
636
00:33:18,767 --> 00:33:20,767
but it wasn't new.
637
00:33:23,333 --> 00:33:27,733
Whereas Jack and Charlie's
stuff was really new.
638
00:33:27,733 --> 00:33:29,567
And it was like
we had to reconfigure,
639
00:33:30,367 --> 00:33:31,067
like, "Okay, let's set"
640
00:33:32,533 --> 00:33:36,000
not change course at that moment
like we want to do that work,
641
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,367
but it just made us rethink
what we were aware of
642
00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:41,267
that would be interesting
and challenging
643
00:33:41,967 --> 00:33:42,600
and beautiful and cool.
644
00:33:43,933 --> 00:33:47,500
It was a major, major
kind of sea-change in tattooing.
645
00:33:48,367 --> 00:33:49,433
These guys were doing tattoos
646
00:33:50,700 --> 00:33:53,100
that were the kind of the birth
of photo-realism.
647
00:33:54,333 --> 00:33:57,733
We had all seen that work
come into our shop
648
00:33:57,733 --> 00:33:59,700
on prisoners, ex-prisoners,
649
00:34:00,700 --> 00:34:03,167
Chicano people
that came from LA,
650
00:34:04,033 --> 00:34:05,167
and big Chicano neighborhoods
651
00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:07,067
where there were tattooers
doing that.
652
00:34:08,167 --> 00:34:09,667
But we hadn't seen
it done in a shop.
653
00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:16,067
Normally, you had to go do time
to get a piece of that work.
654
00:34:16,067 --> 00:34:19,100
So that '11 convention was a
big pivoting point, I think,
655
00:34:19,833 --> 00:34:20,667
in American tattooing.
656
00:34:26,467 --> 00:34:28,033
And it so impressed Hardy,
657
00:34:29,333 --> 00:34:32,100
and, of course, him being
Mr. American Tattooer,
658
00:34:32,967 --> 00:34:36,033
he was just all excited about,
659
00:34:36,033 --> 00:34:37,267
Well, would it be okay
to come visit?
660
00:34:38,067 --> 00:34:38,600
And I said, "Well, yeah!"
661
00:34:42,033 --> 00:34:43,500
And the next thing you know,
him and Malone and Bob Roberts
662
00:34:44,833 --> 00:34:46,500
came down to East LA and
started getting tattooed by us
663
00:34:47,567 --> 00:34:50,333
and wanted to learn that style
as well.
664
00:34:50,333 --> 00:34:52,067
And It was a trip because
these were heavy, heavy hitters.
665
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,833
For them to be like
the first legitimate tattooers
666
00:34:56,833 --> 00:34:58,633
to jump on the single-needle
bandwagon
667
00:34:58,633 --> 00:34:59,167
that was history,
668
00:35:00,033 --> 00:35:01,567
but we still didn't realize it
669
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,767
the kind of repercussions
it was gonna have.
670
00:35:07,467 --> 00:35:09,633
And I was blown away by it
when I first saw how much detail
671
00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:15,200
and just how clean and how nice
this work looked.
672
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,467
You know, to us, it was really
a whole new tool.
673
00:35:17,833 --> 00:35:20,400
I mean, we just didn't do
black-and-grey joint-style
674
00:35:20,967 --> 00:35:22,100
or cholo-style.
675
00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:24,367
You know, I used
it for everything.
676
00:35:25,100 --> 00:35:27,100
Bob and I immediately,
677
00:35:28,567 --> 00:35:29,400
you know, learned how to do
kind of gang writing from Jack
678
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:33,267
because I was fascinated with
the whole calligraphic aspect.
679
00:35:33,267 --> 00:35:34,333
I always loved writing in
tattoos. I loved slogans.
680
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,833
I loved it from the old days,
681
00:35:36,833 --> 00:35:37,633
you know, "Death or Glory",
all that stuff,
682
00:35:39,067 --> 00:35:41,367
and these guys were doing, you
know, fantastic lettering.
683
00:35:42,833 --> 00:35:46,333
I mean, huge letters with the
gang in the giant block letters.
684
00:35:47,633 --> 00:35:49,467
They were just such cool things
as art pieces, you know?
685
00:35:51,167 --> 00:35:52,367
So I was always very conscious
of all the implications to this
thing
686
00:35:53,367 --> 00:35:54,100
above and beyond
the tattoo world.
687
00:35:55,833 --> 00:35:58,400
And so it was just me and
Charlie six days a week
688
00:35:59,233 --> 00:36:02,133
like 6:00 to midnight, okay?
689
00:36:02,133 --> 00:36:03,467
And we never got out of there
at midnight unless it was dead.
690
00:36:04,467 --> 00:36:06,200
I was the kind of
guy that would
691
00:36:07,333 --> 00:36:10,367
I would stay there
until the last dog died,
692
00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:15,533
and if someone was in there
before we locked the door at
1:00 a.m.,
693
00:36:16,233 --> 00:36:18,233
we'd take care of them,
694
00:36:18,233 --> 00:36:20,567
even if was 7:00 a.m.
when they got out of there,
695
00:36:21,633 --> 00:36:24,333
and that meant we'd
be there, too,
696
00:36:24,333 --> 00:36:29,200
so I spent many nights
decorating the homies until the
sun came up.
697
00:36:31,567 --> 00:36:35,767
And then all of a sudden,
Jack called me, and he said,
698
00:36:35,767 --> 00:36:37,467
Charlie's gonna quit tattooing!
699
00:36:37,467 --> 00:36:39,100
And Jack was just freaked!
700
00:36:40,533 --> 00:36:41,667
He was like, "I don't know
what I'm going to do, homes!"
701
00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:47,067
And I was like,
"Jesus! Well, okay."
702
00:36:47,633 --> 00:36:49,000
Sometime in '77,
703
00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:55,567
Charlie decided he was going
to move back to Kansas.
704
00:36:55,567 --> 00:36:57,100
Yeah, so I was...
705
00:36:57,100 --> 00:37:00,500
I started on a kind of
a spiritual quest there,
706
00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:03,700
you know, figure out
what it was all about,
707
00:37:04,867 --> 00:37:08,467
because I already had
the house on the corner,
708
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,600
and the pick-up truck,
and the wife that loved me,
709
00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:14,533
and three healthy kids.
710
00:37:15,733 --> 00:37:19,233
I took about,
well, a couple of years off,
711
00:37:20,667 --> 00:37:24,633
to really get to know my family
on a real a deeper level.
712
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:26,167
I had a little money
stashed away,
713
00:37:27,633 --> 00:37:29,433
and I thought, "Well, I don't
want that shop to disappear."
714
00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:31,033
I don't want that style
to disappear,"
715
00:37:32,033 --> 00:37:35,133
because that shop
was the cookpot,
716
00:37:35,133 --> 00:37:37,367
that was the witch's cauldron
for this thing to be happening.
717
00:37:38,567 --> 00:37:40,067
Ed Hardy ended up buying
the business from him,
718
00:37:41,267 --> 00:37:42,500
and then I think right before
Charlie left
719
00:37:44,133 --> 00:37:49,500
was when we were seeing this
work from Freddy Negrete, El
Coyote.
720
00:37:50,633 --> 00:37:51,333
So after I got out
of the Youth Authority,
721
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,233
I set up shop in my apartment,
722
00:37:54,067 --> 00:37:55,433
all I would hear from everybody
723
00:37:56,900 --> 00:38:00,367
was about this new tattoo shop
on Whittier Boulevard in East LA
724
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,700
that was doing prison-style
tattoos, because people would
come and say,
725
00:38:04,700 --> 00:38:05,700
Yeah, I got this
at Good-Time Charlie's.
726
00:38:06,467 --> 00:38:08,267
You know, "Huero did t."
727
00:38:08,267 --> 00:38:09,633
So I noticed, "Okay, there's
this guy Huero there",
728
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:16,433
and he seems to be on the right
track with the homie tattoos,
you know?
729
00:38:16,433 --> 00:38:18,600
I would tattoo people, and I
would send him to "Good-Time
Charlie's."
730
00:38:19,767 --> 00:38:21,200
I'd say, "Go over there
and show him this."
731
00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:22,367
It was just amazing!
732
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,067
And it was like, "Wow! Who is
this guy? And is he on the
street?"
733
00:38:26,533 --> 00:38:28,567
And they said, "Yeah, he lives
in Pico Nuevo or something",
734
00:38:29,767 --> 00:38:31,167
and he's from Sangra, you know,
San Gabriel."
735
00:38:32,633 --> 00:38:33,133
And it was like, "Well, you
know, hey, send him down, man."
736
00:38:34,767 --> 00:38:36,767
"I'd like to talk to this guy
and, you know, meet him and
stuff."
737
00:38:39,167 --> 00:38:41,333
Finally somebody
came and told me,
738
00:38:41,333 --> 00:38:43,300
Huero wants you to go to the
tattoo shop, he wants to meet
you.
739
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,233
The first thing I notice was
that up on the wall in their
flash
740
00:38:51,367 --> 00:38:52,167
they had some of my designs,
you know?
741
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,233
And I was like,
"Hey, I drew that!"
742
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:56,567
And Jack tells me,
"Everybody says that."
743
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:58,333
You know, everybody says
that their uncle
744
00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:00,167
"or somebody in prison
drew this thing."
745
00:39:00,867 --> 00:39:01,533
I go, "No, I drew that."
746
00:39:03,167 --> 00:39:04,500
And I showed him the original
drawing I had with me in a
folder.
747
00:39:05,167 --> 00:39:06,600
So he auditioned.
748
00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:10,300
You know, I set him up
some machines,
749
00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:13,000
and he worked on one of his
homeboys in the back room.
750
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,600
One of the tricks that I
learned when I was in Tamarac
751
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,667
was that we didn't always have
ditto paper.
752
00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:23,367
And, by the way, let me just say
that the whole ditto paper thing
753
00:39:24,033 --> 00:39:24,500
started in prison.
754
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,233
That's what we used.
755
00:39:27,333 --> 00:39:28,333
Now that's normal
for tattoo shops.
756
00:39:29,467 --> 00:39:30,633
Everybody uses ditto
and ditto master,
757
00:39:31,467 --> 00:39:31,700
but we didn't always have that,
758
00:39:32,967 --> 00:39:34,700
and we had to use the dittos
over and over and over.
759
00:39:36,267 --> 00:39:41,033
So what I did was I found
different ways to memorize in my
mind
760
00:39:41,733 --> 00:39:43,300
how to execute a design.
761
00:39:44,333 --> 00:39:46,600
And, first of all,
like a rose...
762
00:39:47,733 --> 00:39:48,633
If I was gonna do a rose,
I always started
763
00:39:49,833 --> 00:39:51,500
with this funny E-looking thing
in the middle
764
00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:53,133
and then went around and around
765
00:39:54,467 --> 00:39:55,467
so that I could actually do
the design on somebody
766
00:39:56,867 --> 00:39:59,500
without drawing anything,
without having any stencil.
767
00:40:00,667 --> 00:40:02,567
And another thing I learned,
I taught myself,
768
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,667
was how to do a girl's face.
769
00:40:05,733 --> 00:40:06,567
I would always start
with one eye.
770
00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:08,433
Get that eye perfect,
771
00:40:09,867 --> 00:40:12,067
and then I'd know exactly
where to put the nose bridge,
772
00:40:12,067 --> 00:40:14,767
the other eye, the nostrils,
the lips.
773
00:40:14,767 --> 00:40:17,033
So, I would build off that eye.
774
00:40:17,033 --> 00:40:19,700
So, I was gonna show
off a little bit.
775
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:21,067
So, when Jack said...
776
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,933
Okay, so I brought my homie
in there and he goes,
777
00:40:23,933 --> 00:40:25,200
"Well, pick any
design you want."
778
00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:29,233
I want it to be kind of a
good size or whatever.
779
00:40:29,233 --> 00:40:32,433
And I was like, "No, no, I
don't need any design."
780
00:40:32,433 --> 00:40:34,600
He goes, "Oh, okay. Well, what I
do a lot is draw it on first
with a pen."
781
00:40:36,067 --> 00:40:37,700
I go, "No, I don't even need a
pen," and he's like, "What?"
782
00:40:39,167 --> 00:40:41,100
He goes, "You're gonna do it
just like that without a
stencil?"
783
00:40:43,267 --> 00:40:46,000
Ans just did a beautiful
freehand piece of a girl's face
784
00:40:46,667 --> 00:40:47,433
on this guy's arm.
785
00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:49,467
No stencil, no
drawing, no nothing.
786
00:40:50,300 --> 00:40:51,700
Just started tattooing the guy,
787
00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:53,433
and so, he got
hired on the spot.
788
00:40:54,133 --> 00:40:55,467
Now, for the first time,
789
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,100
tattooers were going to let a
cholo gangster tattoo
professional.
790
00:41:00,933 --> 00:41:01,333
He was part of that culture.
791
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,067
He was a genuine, genuine guy.
792
00:41:04,067 --> 00:41:05,367
Jack knew about it,
and Jack was part of it,
793
00:41:05,367 --> 00:41:06,633
but not like Freddy.
794
00:41:10,167 --> 00:41:13,467
I remember the first time Ed
Hardy came down to meet me, you
know.
795
00:41:13,467 --> 00:41:14,700
Boy, what a culture shock.
796
00:41:15,867 --> 00:41:19,100
And I remember when he came in,
and he's like,
797
00:41:20,133 --> 00:41:22,400
Oh, Freddy,
here's some of my work.
798
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,500
And when I saw these tattoos,
this shit blew me away.
799
00:41:28,533 --> 00:41:29,667
I almost came flying
out of my socks.
800
00:41:30,367 --> 00:41:31,233
I was like, "What?"
801
00:41:32,433 --> 00:41:33,600
First of all, it was backpiece
after backpiece.
802
00:41:34,767 --> 00:41:36,367
I didn't even know
what a backpiece was.
803
00:41:36,367 --> 00:41:37,100
Our thing was this:
804
00:41:38,267 --> 00:41:39,433
You put a tattoo here,
you put one there,
805
00:41:40,867 --> 00:41:43,833
you fit another one in here,
one there, just like my tattoos,
806
00:41:43,833 --> 00:41:45,667
until you're all covered
with tattoos all around.
807
00:41:46,267 --> 00:41:46,367
Little badges.
808
00:41:47,833 --> 00:41:50,467
Ed Hardy's the one that named
them "Badge-Style Tattoos."
809
00:41:51,900 --> 00:41:55,100
But, you know, a whole back,
one picture on a whole back,
810
00:41:56,533 --> 00:41:57,600
a whole thing on somebody's
arm, you know, these suits.
811
00:41:58,433 --> 00:41:59,633
I never saw Japanese tattooing.
812
00:42:00,333 --> 00:42:01,100
I never saw tattooness,
813
00:42:02,533 --> 00:42:03,100
and then Ed Hardy's like, "Hey,
look what I'm doing, homes",
814
00:42:04,500 --> 00:42:07,167
with black and grey, mixing
black and grey and color."
815
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,667
And now, all of a sudden, he had
this crazy skeleton guy with his
hair
816
00:42:11,667 --> 00:42:12,400
and it was all in
black and grey,
817
00:42:13,533 --> 00:42:15,933
and he's stepping on these
stepping stones
818
00:42:15,933 --> 00:42:17,767
with rushing water
and Japanese style of color.
819
00:42:19,167 --> 00:42:21,133
I was like, "Oh, my God!
I don't know shit!"
820
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:26,367
When the time came
to relocate the business,
821
00:42:27,733 --> 00:42:29,333
Ed Hardy found a small
gingerbread-style structure
822
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,500
down the block on the other
side of Whittier Boulevard,
823
00:42:33,500 --> 00:42:34,667
And Ed Hardy bought that place,
824
00:42:36,133 --> 00:42:38,467
and now, you know, before he
bought "Good Time Charlie's",
825
00:42:39,867 --> 00:42:42,700
and he never had anything to do
with the shop creatively.
826
00:42:43,833 --> 00:42:45,667
He never imposed his will on us
in any way.
827
00:42:46,533 --> 00:42:48,167
But now, Ed Hardy has a shop.
828
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,100
And he brought some
of his friends,
829
00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:53,333
and they built a tattoo shop all
regulation, even the stations.
830
00:42:54,633 --> 00:42:56,633
They were so tiny,
but every station had a sink.
831
00:42:57,867 --> 00:42:58,267
Ed Hardy's, "Nah, everything's
gonna change."
832
00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:02,267
You're gonna wear gloves, you're
gonna use this sterilizer."
833
00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:08,567
And he goes, "Yeah, and this
place, it reminds me of like a
little island."
834
00:43:09,233 --> 00:43:10,867
An island shack."
835
00:43:10,867 --> 00:43:12,467
He goes, we're going to call it
"Tattoo Land."
836
00:43:12,467 --> 00:43:14,633
And we painted it yellow,
837
00:43:14,633 --> 00:43:17,333
and we put a big giant banner
going across the front, "Tattoo
Land."
838
00:43:18,533 --> 00:43:20,033
I remember when he was saying,
"You know what?"
839
00:43:21,133 --> 00:43:24,033
This Coyote thing.
This doesn't work.
840
00:43:25,167 --> 00:43:25,567
The people you're going to deal
with now,
841
00:43:26,867 --> 00:43:28,633
"they're not all going to be
gangsters from East LA."
842
00:43:30,267 --> 00:43:31,067
He goes, "Yeah, your name's
going to be Freddy Negrete from
now on."
843
00:43:32,267 --> 00:43:35,500
"And fine-line, that's too much
like prison."
844
00:43:36,667 --> 00:43:38,567
We're trying to do
a new art style here.
845
00:43:39,733 --> 00:43:43,400
"And it's going to be called
black-and-grey."
846
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:44,700
You know, because you're using
black, and you're using grey.
847
00:43:45,833 --> 00:43:48,700
And Ed certainly brought
all of the attention
848
00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:51,667
that he had in the '70s
and in the '80s
849
00:43:53,033 --> 00:43:56,033
which was considerable
to this new form of tattooing.
850
00:43:57,467 --> 00:44:00,533
He catapulted it to a level
that it would not have had.
851
00:44:01,567 --> 00:44:04,367
So, when we reopened
the second shop,
852
00:44:05,233 --> 00:44:06,567
it was me and Kate and Freddy.
853
00:44:07,700 --> 00:44:09,433
There was a party
to introduce me to,
854
00:44:10,267 --> 00:44:12,833
to welcome me to San Francisco,
855
00:44:12,833 --> 00:44:13,567
welcome me to Ed Hardy family,
856
00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:17,000
and to introduce me
to Jack and Freddy
857
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,733
who drove up from Los Angeles
specifically to meet me
858
00:44:20,733 --> 00:44:22,100
and see this new member
of their crew.
859
00:44:22,933 --> 00:44:25,567
This white woman from Utah,
860
00:44:25,567 --> 00:44:29,433
this farm girl who was educated
in graphic design and
advertising
861
00:44:30,533 --> 00:44:31,333
suddenly going to
be in their midst,
862
00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:37,767
you know, practicing Black and
Grey, single needle, Chicano
tattooing
863
00:44:37,767 --> 00:44:40,600
with no background
whatsoever in it.
864
00:44:43,500 --> 00:44:47,000
It was a small shop and we
had small areas to work in,
865
00:44:47,833 --> 00:44:49,200
but we had all that parking lot.
866
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:51,467
And so everybody would come in
and just park
867
00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:54,933
park their lowriders
and stuff there,
868
00:44:54,933 --> 00:44:56,300
especially on the weekends
when they'd be cruising,
869
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,033
people would always pit stop
right at the tattoo shop
870
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,033
and we blew that place
out of the water.
871
00:45:03,833 --> 00:45:05,067
You know, you had
a lot of gangbangers,
872
00:45:06,533 --> 00:45:11,233
and we were luckily sort of
kind of in neutral territory,
873
00:45:12,433 --> 00:45:13,600
but there were a couple
of local neighborhoods
874
00:45:14,933 --> 00:45:19,567
that kinda claimed our area
as their neighborhood.
875
00:45:20,900 --> 00:45:22,567
There were 27 gangs in that area
at that time, I think
876
00:45:23,367 --> 00:45:25,033
it was very turf-oriented.
877
00:45:26,233 --> 00:45:28,267
Every block was owned
by one gang or another.
878
00:45:29,433 --> 00:45:30,367
They hated each other
with a vengeance.
879
00:45:31,067 --> 00:45:32,767
I mean, murderously.
880
00:45:35,133 --> 00:45:39,233
Whenever I was in LA, I would go
work there, sitting there,
tattooing.
881
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,433
And she went,
"Wow, what was that sound?
882
00:45:43,633 --> 00:45:45,700
Sounds like somebody
popped a beach ball."
883
00:45:46,933 --> 00:45:48,700
And then, the cholos
would come in from outside
884
00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:52,567
all peppered up with
shotgun pellets.
885
00:45:53,367 --> 00:45:54,100
That's how it went there.
886
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,433
There are guys from different
gangs that would have shot each
other
887
00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:00,167
if they were a couple
of blocks away.
888
00:46:01,333 --> 00:46:03,500
But inside the confines
of that parking lot
889
00:46:03,500 --> 00:46:04,700
and especially that little shop,
890
00:46:06,133 --> 00:46:08,567
you know, that pointed roof
made like a church, you know,
891
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,667
it's something
about it in there.
892
00:46:13,333 --> 00:46:15,700
At "Tattooland," Kate
Hellenbrand saw that the choice
of tattoo
893
00:46:17,100 --> 00:46:20,700
could mean the difference
between life and death.
894
00:46:20,700 --> 00:46:22,167
A little 14-year-old
boy came in.
895
00:46:23,633 --> 00:46:26,700
He and his 16-year-old brother
had tattooed themselves at home
896
00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:27,000
because they wanted
to be in a gang,
897
00:46:28,667 --> 00:46:31,967
because that's what the people
in that neighborhood aspired to
be.
898
00:46:31,967 --> 00:46:32,100
And they were
walking down the street
899
00:46:33,133 --> 00:46:37,833
and an opposing
gang was driving by
900
00:46:37,833 --> 00:46:39,233
and shot and killed
the 16-year-old boy.
901
00:46:40,267 --> 00:46:41,233
And so the 14-year-old
came to me
902
00:46:42,633 --> 00:46:44,367
and asked if I would cover
these initials on his wrist.
903
00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:47,633
And I told him, "No, I don't
tattoo 14-year-olds."
904
00:46:47,633 --> 00:46:49,333
It was 18 or older.
905
00:46:50,733 --> 00:46:52,367
And then about two hours later,
his mother came with him.
906
00:46:53,833 --> 00:46:56,600
And the mother was crying and
said, "Please save my son's life"
907
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,600
because I've lost one."
908
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,067
So I covered the tattoo.
909
00:47:03,267 --> 00:47:05,167
And so when people have
that kind of lifestyle
910
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,367
and that kind of
closeness to death,
911
00:47:08,367 --> 00:47:13,233
they get images that are about
heaven and about redemption.
912
00:47:15,467 --> 00:47:17,733
By choosing images that
celebrated their
neighborhoods,
913
00:47:17,733 --> 00:47:19,067
religion, and loved ones,
914
00:47:20,167 --> 00:47:21,033
the Chicano
people of East LA
915
00:47:22,667 --> 00:47:24,567
had a key role in elevating
Black and Grey to an art
form.
916
00:47:25,367 --> 00:47:26,433
A peoples' art form.
917
00:47:28,933 --> 00:47:31,333
My father died when I was young,
and I've always idolized him
918
00:47:32,667 --> 00:47:35,367
and thought that he was,
even though he wasn't around,
919
00:47:35,367 --> 00:47:36,033
he was still around.
920
00:47:37,033 --> 00:47:38,167
And I just wanted
to put him on me
921
00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:41,667
because I grew up
the way he grew up.
922
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:42,667
You know what I mean?
923
00:47:43,900 --> 00:47:44,167
When he was in the war...
He fought the war.
924
00:47:45,333 --> 00:47:47,267
When I grew up, I fought
to get a different route
925
00:47:48,700 --> 00:47:53,233
but had to you know fight my way
to get out of the place I lived
926
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,500
and move on.
927
00:47:57,100 --> 00:47:59,100
It's soulful and very powerful
928
00:48:00,233 --> 00:48:01,500
and driven by very,
very deep things.
929
00:48:02,433 --> 00:48:05,100
People
commemorative tattoos.
930
00:48:05,100 --> 00:48:07,167
You know, "In memory of...",
and all that kind of thing.
931
00:48:08,467 --> 00:48:11,333
And that had not been in
tattooing very much before.
932
00:48:12,333 --> 00:48:16,133
It seems like in
the neighborhoods,
933
00:48:16,133 --> 00:48:20,233
it's a beautiful art that came
out of the violence, addiction,
934
00:48:20,967 --> 00:48:22,633
long prison sentences,
935
00:48:23,467 --> 00:48:26,667
the madness on the streets,
936
00:48:27,733 --> 00:48:32,000
came out this
beautiful art form.
937
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,367
That mirrors a lot
of those stories.
938
00:48:36,633 --> 00:48:38,567
Well, this one is just like
where I come from,
939
00:48:38,567 --> 00:48:40,933
where my city is,
940
00:48:40,933 --> 00:48:43,167
where I've lived
and grew up all my life.
941
00:48:44,533 --> 00:48:46,300
Well, we're a product
of our environment, you know?
942
00:48:47,633 --> 00:48:48,233
But right here we try to go
with a little culture,
943
00:48:48,933 --> 00:48:49,200
where we come from,
944
00:48:50,500 --> 00:48:53,467
showing the Aztec
and then the Mexican heritage.
945
00:48:55,567 --> 00:48:57,033
It's not just something
that you just put on there.
946
00:48:58,433 --> 00:49:01,700
It has meaning and it has a
lot more to do with it so.
947
00:49:04,567 --> 00:49:05,600
I really felt that that work
was driven
948
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,133
by the people
that it should be driven by.
949
00:49:10,133 --> 00:49:12,933
The people that were getting
it, the people that lived it.
950
00:49:12,933 --> 00:49:15,667
It is a storyteller.
Tattoos tell you stories.
951
00:49:15,667 --> 00:49:17,067
Stories about the
guy who has it.
952
00:49:18,133 --> 00:49:20,900
A tattoo is the
mirror of one's mind.
953
00:49:20,900 --> 00:49:21,700
It's about life,
it's about death,
954
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:28,667
it's about everything
which is of value to a Mexican.
955
00:49:28,667 --> 00:49:31,100
My first tattoo
was my side piece
956
00:49:31,967 --> 00:49:34,667
which is a Mayan blood ritual.
957
00:49:35,733 --> 00:49:37,100
And the reason I picked
Mayan artwork
958
00:49:38,267 --> 00:49:40,600
was because
of my spiritual upbringing.
959
00:49:41,900 --> 00:49:43,333
I found this particular piece,
the blood ritual,
960
00:49:44,533 --> 00:49:48,167
when I was over in the museum
of anthropology
961
00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:49,633
there in Mexico City.
962
00:49:51,100 --> 00:49:52,267
I knew this was a piece that I
wanted to have a tattoo for,
963
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:54,567
and that's what I wanted
to have on there.
964
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,033
And that's pretty much why I
have this particular tattoo,
965
00:49:57,733 --> 00:49:58,000
and what it means to me
966
00:49:59,467 --> 00:50:01,767
is basically something that I
can look back on and reflect on.
967
00:50:04,367 --> 00:50:05,033
Mark, you ready for me?
968
00:50:06,267 --> 00:50:07,767
I thought you'd never ask.
Come on over, man.
969
00:50:09,933 --> 00:50:10,433
Get stuff done here.
970
00:50:11,867 --> 00:50:13,667
Yeah, it'll be good to get back
on this. It's been a long time.
971
00:50:16,667 --> 00:50:18,567
Oh, man, look at them happy
campers, those faces smiling all
over.
972
00:50:19,367 --> 00:50:20,433
The kids are still happy.
973
00:50:21,900 --> 00:50:24,567
In 1995, I picked up the kids
and took 'em out of school.
974
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,400
Your parents taking you out
of school is like a fantasy.
975
00:50:30,067 --> 00:50:31,333
It's like, "Wow."
976
00:50:32,467 --> 00:50:33,433
Every kid in that class
is looking at you.
977
00:50:34,233 --> 00:50:35,033
We came down to the beach.
978
00:50:36,033 --> 00:50:37,700
And they were on
top of the world.
979
00:50:38,933 --> 00:50:41,700
Three kids ate hot dogs
all day and cotton candy,
980
00:50:42,567 --> 00:50:44,233
and just in love
with being alive
981
00:50:45,433 --> 00:50:46,400
and just being with their dad
on that day.
982
00:50:47,300 --> 00:50:48,100
We took a lot of
photos that day,
983
00:50:49,533 --> 00:50:51,567
but there was one photo that
just captured all three of them.
984
00:50:52,900 --> 00:50:55,067
I had that photo for years,
and I always loved it.
985
00:50:56,467 --> 00:50:59,333
I mean, I carried my wallet for
years. It was on the wall.
986
00:51:01,733 --> 00:51:05,967
You know, it's already
all worn out.
987
00:51:05,967 --> 00:51:08,433
I got the big photo,
and I brought it in to Mark,
988
00:51:09,667 --> 00:51:10,533
and I said, "Hey, what can
we do with this?"
989
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,533
But I think the hardest thing
is Danny wanted a benign Jesus,
990
00:51:15,233 --> 00:51:16,600
like a happy Jesus,
991
00:51:17,667 --> 00:51:19,500
not a suffering, not an angry,
not a...
992
00:51:20,667 --> 00:51:23,433
He just wanted
a kicked back, surf Jesus.
993
00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:25,267
A happy Jesus
because he's happy,
994
00:51:26,433 --> 00:51:28,100
his kids are happy,
and my life's great,
995
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:30,333
and so that's why
Jesus is smiling.
996
00:51:32,033 --> 00:51:36,300
Those are the best kind of
tattoos that go to the heart
like that.
997
00:51:46,233 --> 00:51:47,067
It's exact.
998
00:51:50,633 --> 00:51:56,167
I just like the look of black
and various shades of grey and
flesh.
999
00:51:56,167 --> 00:51:58,500
Even though everything
is colored in real life,
1000
00:51:59,833 --> 00:52:01,367
it's just like when you watch
a black and white movie
1001
00:52:02,467 --> 00:52:04,767
or see a black and
white photograph,
1002
00:52:04,767 --> 00:52:05,600
there's a certain
quality about that
1003
00:52:06,733 --> 00:52:08,467
that it just isn't
in a colored photograph.
1004
00:52:11,633 --> 00:52:15,367
Jack was the kind of guy that
wanted to develop as an artist.
1005
00:52:21,467 --> 00:52:23,333
He wanted to learn from me,
as I wanted to learn from him,
1006
00:52:24,533 --> 00:52:27,767
but what really happened
was this competition.
1007
00:52:27,767 --> 00:52:30,467
It was a friendly competition,
1008
00:52:31,567 --> 00:52:32,033
but I know
we both felt the same way.
1009
00:52:33,467 --> 00:52:36,033
So Jack would be on his side,
and I would be on my side,
1010
00:52:36,900 --> 00:52:38,367
and he'd be doing this tattoo.
1011
00:52:39,633 --> 00:52:41,533
And the thing is,
every single tattoo we did,
1012
00:52:41,533 --> 00:52:43,000
we tried to make it the best.
1013
00:52:44,033 --> 00:52:45,000
Because you would do the tattoo
and say,
1014
00:52:45,833 --> 00:52:47,567
Hey, homes, check this out!
1015
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,433
And the guy would come, and I'd
say, "Aw, man, that's nice!"
1016
00:52:52,100 --> 00:52:54,067
That's nice, Jack!
1017
00:52:54,067 --> 00:52:55,333
"You know, I'm glad
you finished before me."
1018
00:52:55,333 --> 00:52:56,567
And I'd be like...
1019
00:52:57,467 --> 00:52:58,100
And like, "Jack,
check this out!"
1020
00:52:59,233 --> 00:53:01,100
And he'd be like,
"Oh, yeah, that's nice!"
1021
00:53:01,100 --> 00:53:08,000
But that kind of competition
caused us to develop as artists.
1022
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,500
So, here we were, me and Jack
were great friends,
1023
00:53:10,333 --> 00:53:11,000
we were developing artists,
1024
00:53:12,033 --> 00:53:14,067
I was learning this
great technique.
1025
00:53:14,067 --> 00:53:16,500
We had a great building
on the best spot.
1026
00:53:17,867 --> 00:53:20,600
We had so much customers,
and we were getting paid.
1027
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:21,533
You know, life was good.
1028
00:53:25,300 --> 00:53:28,500
Now, Freddy actually was
extremely interested in color
tattooing.
1029
00:53:29,700 --> 00:53:32,700
Freddy was not just, you know,
"This is my way.
1030
00:53:33,533 --> 00:53:34,000
This is the way of my people."
1031
00:53:36,467 --> 00:53:39,367
You know, with Ed Hardy's hand
in it, I started to look at his
leadership.
1032
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:41,600
I gave him control of my career.
1033
00:53:42,933 --> 00:53:44,000
He goes, "I'm going to put you
out there, Freddy."
1034
00:53:45,100 --> 00:53:46,033
Because I had the
respect from him.
1035
00:53:46,867 --> 00:53:47,533
I wanted to learn from him.
1036
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,033
So I would go up to San
Francisco, and he'd let me stay
at his house.
1037
00:53:53,167 --> 00:53:54,167
I didn't want to do
what he was doing.
1038
00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:57,500
I wanted to learn
how he was doing it
1039
00:53:58,567 --> 00:54:01,233
so that I could apply
it to my style.
1040
00:54:02,533 --> 00:54:04,967
Another knock on the
black-and-grey artists was,
1041
00:54:04,967 --> 00:54:06,233
Well, it's nice,
but they can't do color.
1042
00:54:07,567 --> 00:54:11,433
Freddy was determined
to not have that said about him.
1043
00:54:12,467 --> 00:54:15,000
I remember doing
my first big back piece.
1044
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,800
It was a Madonna, and she had
her hands out like this,
1045
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,433
and there was rays
coming off of her hand.
1046
00:54:22,100 --> 00:54:24,367
And in the right hand, I put
like a futuristic city in the
clouds,
1047
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,500
and then, in the other hand,
put the planet earth in flames.
1048
00:54:28,633 --> 00:54:30,700
In between it, I put
a big skull face.
1049
00:54:30,700 --> 00:54:32,100
And I took a picture
of a real skull,
1050
00:54:33,533 --> 00:54:37,200
and it was the first time
that I did realism with color.
1051
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:41,933
You're talking another jump
for color artists
1052
00:54:41,933 --> 00:54:44,667
because they'd incorporate
realism into that color
1053
00:54:45,767 --> 00:54:46,600
where there's very
little line work,
1054
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,567
and they've taken that
black-and-grey step in a color
step,
1055
00:54:51,867 --> 00:54:53,400
which brings it out
of the old Americana style.
1056
00:54:54,467 --> 00:54:55,667
You see famous
traditional artists now
1057
00:54:56,733 --> 00:54:59,667
doing black-and-grey
iconic images,
1058
00:55:00,500 --> 00:55:02,967
but doing them color traditional
1059
00:55:02,967 --> 00:55:05,033
because it's the black-and-grey
style of California
1060
00:55:05,900 --> 00:55:07,300
that Southern California look,
1061
00:55:08,367 --> 00:55:09,267
but done
with a traditional background.
1062
00:55:10,433 --> 00:55:11,200
So you have these bold lines
and solid color,
1063
00:55:12,633 --> 00:55:17,967
but this is an iconic Southern
California, East LA image.
1064
00:55:17,967 --> 00:55:19,033
I think that
back-piece on Johnny
1065
00:55:20,167 --> 00:55:21,000
was the first real breakthrough
with that.
1066
00:55:22,467 --> 00:55:24,533
And not only was the composition
completely powerful, you know,
1067
00:55:25,667 --> 00:55:26,567
and played off all
that heraldic stuff
1068
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:29,700
that you'd see in medieval
prints of the Virgin and all
that,
1069
00:55:31,367 --> 00:55:34,033
but then put in with the skull
on one side and the woman's
face,
1070
00:55:35,033 --> 00:55:37,833
and his color work
was magnificent.
1071
00:55:37,833 --> 00:55:39,367
That tattoo won best tattoo
in the show.
1072
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:41,033
I won tattoo artist of the year.
1073
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:43,633
That was the only award
that was given out.
1074
00:55:45,567 --> 00:55:48,167
Recognized as the top tattoo
artist, Freddy was riding
high.
1075
00:55:49,300 --> 00:55:51,100
But in 1980,
tattoo was still considered
1076
00:55:52,233 --> 00:55:53,767
to be mostly for
those on the fringe.
1077
00:55:55,467 --> 00:55:56,433
Ladies and gentlemen,
rock and roll.
1078
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,367
When MTV hit the
airwaves in 1981,
1079
00:56:00,767 --> 00:56:02,367
many young viewers were
exposed to ink on television
1080
00:56:03,167 --> 00:56:04,333
for the first time.
1081
00:56:09,433 --> 00:56:10,567
The following year, Ed Hardy
published the first issue
1082
00:56:11,367 --> 00:56:12,500
of Tattoo Time Magazine,
1083
00:56:13,767 --> 00:56:15,767
opening this mysterious
and secretive world.
1084
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,233
Tattoo Time was one of them.
They're both publications in the
'80s.
1085
00:56:22,533 --> 00:56:26,067
Pictures of Jack Rudy's work,
Freddy Negrete's,
1086
00:56:27,500 --> 00:56:31,667
other names you learn, Charlie
Cartwright, Mark Mahoney.
1087
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,200
I was actually shown,
1088
00:56:35,633 --> 00:56:37,167
I remember, in particular,
Jack Rudy's work, by my father
1089
00:56:37,967 --> 00:56:40,467
and told to achieve this.
1090
00:56:43,100 --> 00:56:45,000
When we received Tattoo Time,
1091
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,567
we saw that the thing jumped
from fine to amazing.
1092
00:56:49,067 --> 00:56:51,667
It was like a razor blade. The
line was so thin, so straight.
1093
00:56:52,967 --> 00:56:54,167
The shades were so neat,
it almost looked like printing.
1094
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,567
I'd not seen a tattoo
that neat, that tight.
1095
00:57:05,367 --> 00:57:06,333
I just wanted to do something
1096
00:57:07,533 --> 00:57:10,800
from an informed, intelligent,
inside viewpoint
1097
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,833
that really presented this thing
1098
00:57:12,833 --> 00:57:14,333
the way it deserved
to be represented
1099
00:57:15,367 --> 00:57:16,100
with a certain
amount of dignity,
1100
00:57:17,900 --> 00:57:22,233
but also allowing for the fact
that it's a totally crazy
wildcat thing.
1101
00:57:22,233 --> 00:57:22,633
So we did that.
1102
00:57:24,067 --> 00:57:27,067
We did five issues of it over,
I guess, into the early
1103
00:57:27,767 --> 00:57:29,467
into the '90s, mid-'90s.
1104
00:57:29,467 --> 00:57:30,233
And it had a huge impact.
1105
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:39,267
But by 1984, East LA
had fallen on hard times.
1106
00:57:41,033 --> 00:57:45,200
Gang-related street violence,
always a fact of life, had
escalated.
1107
00:57:49,833 --> 00:57:51,233
All the fighting and shooting
and stuff.
1108
00:57:52,333 --> 00:57:53,567
So, they ended up
shutting it down.
1109
00:58:01,733 --> 00:58:04,500
It seemed like everything
we knew that was good
1110
00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:05,367
no longer was there no more.
1111
00:58:06,867 --> 00:58:08,900
East LA was played out.
1112
00:58:08,900 --> 00:58:10,100
The cruising was over.
The cops stopped that.
1113
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,867
There was no more cruising
on Whittier Boulevard.
1114
00:58:13,867 --> 00:58:14,100
And I just thought,
"Well, you know what,"
1115
00:58:15,133 --> 00:58:16,300
I've put in almost
10 years here.
1116
00:58:17,533 --> 00:58:18,567
"I think I'm gonna just try
a different area."
1117
00:58:19,433 --> 00:58:21,500
So I decided on Orange County.
1118
00:58:29,067 --> 00:58:31,267
With the help of artists
Mike Brown and Mark Mahoney,
1119
00:58:32,833 --> 00:58:35,367
Jack introduced
black-and-grey to a new suburban
group.
1120
00:58:36,533 --> 00:58:38,067
Everybody called you "homes"
in East LA,
1121
00:58:39,533 --> 00:58:42,367
and then I got to Anaheim, and
they were all calling me "dude",
1122
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,333
and it sounded
kind of insulting.
1123
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:47,100
I didn't know how to take it,
1124
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,033
but it took me a while,
1125
00:58:50,233 --> 00:58:52,400
and I guess that's just
Orange County speech.
1126
00:58:54,167 --> 00:58:55,300
It just became a
lot more diverse.
1127
00:58:56,300 --> 00:58:57,400
More people wanted
color over here.
1128
00:58:59,900 --> 00:59:03,400
But since we were still known
for the black-and-grey side of
town,
1129
00:59:04,567 --> 00:59:06,167
that was still predominately
what we did.
1130
00:59:06,867 --> 00:59:07,600
Jack kept at it
1131
00:59:09,033 --> 00:59:11,267
exploring the boundaries,
attending conventions
1132
00:59:13,100 --> 00:59:14,667
giving more and more people
their first glimpse of
black-and-grey.
1133
00:59:15,867 --> 00:59:17,433
The best black-and-grey tattoo,
first place...
1134
00:59:17,967 --> 00:59:19,467
Jack Rudy!
1135
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,600
Over time, other tattoo
artists and their clients
embraced this style.
1136
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,500
Starting with Jack Rudy,
1137
00:59:40,500 --> 00:59:41,233
he happened to be a hustler.
1138
00:59:42,567 --> 00:59:43,367
He happened to be that
black-and-grey tattoo artist
1139
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:44,767
that put his work out there.
1140
00:59:46,867 --> 00:59:48,267
So it takes one person
to try something new
1141
00:59:49,433 --> 00:59:50,667
and maybe get
a different shade of grey
1142
00:59:51,500 --> 00:59:53,267
or a different tone of dark.
1143
00:59:53,967 --> 00:59:55,333
And next thing you know,
1144
00:59:56,467 --> 00:59:58,933
it's kinda like
it started Pandora's Box.
1145
00:59:58,933 --> 01:00:02,333
When those guys
brought that stuff
1146
01:00:02,333 --> 01:00:04,200
from the small neighborhood
areas it was in and the prison
system,
1147
01:00:05,300 --> 01:00:06,133
when they brought
it to the public,
1148
01:00:07,333 --> 01:00:11,533
it gave everyone
this huge level of excitement,
1149
01:00:11,533 --> 01:00:12,500
but also gave us the template
1150
01:00:13,633 --> 01:00:16,167
for how to make
these illustrative tattoos
1151
01:00:17,867 --> 01:00:19,233
which has led up the exciting
times that you see in front of
you.
1152
01:00:20,933 --> 01:00:23,400
It was the Rosetta Stone moment
where it unlocked all the
potential.
1153
01:00:24,433 --> 01:00:25,100
It was the final
piece of the puzzle,
1154
01:00:26,333 --> 01:00:29,400
and when it added
that level of excitement,
1155
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,367
it made the clients themselves
more willing to take chances
1156
01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:34,500
and more willing
to be a part of something
1157
01:00:35,300 --> 01:00:36,700
bigger than they imagined.
1158
01:01:03,933 --> 01:01:05,800
I want to track my life.
1159
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,500
I want to put everything
that I love on me,
1160
01:01:08,667 --> 01:01:12,267
so when I die,
I have everything with me.
1161
01:01:13,633 --> 01:01:19,100
In 2002, David Oropeza
and Edward "Chuco" Caballero
1162
01:01:20,300 --> 01:01:22,333
put the spotlight
on black-and-grey.
1163
01:01:25,367 --> 01:01:26,700
When I met Chuco, it was.
1164
01:01:28,067 --> 01:01:29,400
Well, first of all, we're
talking about someone I've known
1165
01:01:30,900 --> 01:01:34,133
who was a homeboy of mine who
I've known close to 40 years.
1166
01:01:34,133 --> 01:01:37,567
He's more than just a homeboy.
We go way back.
1167
01:01:38,267 --> 01:01:39,100
There was a funeral,
1168
01:01:40,733 --> 01:01:42,100
and I hadn't seen a lot of
people in a long time, so I went
to it,
1169
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,700
and Chuco was there,
and I ain't seen him in a while,
1170
01:01:45,700 --> 01:01:48,400
and he had these new tattoos
on him,
1171
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:49,933
and he was showing me,
1172
01:01:49,933 --> 01:01:51,267
and he goes, "Homie, check
out these tattoos."
1173
01:01:52,567 --> 01:01:54,700
He used to always admire me
and my brother's tattoos
1174
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,167
because we had them
back in the '70s.
1175
01:01:58,167 --> 01:02:00,833
We were getting them
from Good Time Charlie's,
1176
01:02:00,833 --> 01:02:02,333
the original shop in East LA.
1177
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,067
So when I saw him,
1178
01:02:05,067 --> 01:02:06,500
he was excited to show me
his new work.
1179
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,067
So when I seen it, I was like,
"Wow, who's doing this stuff?"
1180
01:02:11,067 --> 01:02:14,667
He goes, "This new kid.
His name's Pint."
1181
01:02:14,667 --> 01:02:16,433
I go, "Man, that's
some nice work."
1182
01:02:18,067 --> 01:02:20,767
So me and Chuco talked about it,
I think it was the following
day,
1183
01:02:20,767 --> 01:02:23,100
and I told him about my desire.
1184
01:02:23,100 --> 01:02:27,333
I go, "Chuco, right now
I'm in my mid-fifties."
1185
01:02:28,033 --> 01:02:29,067
I'm up there in years."
1186
01:02:30,133 --> 01:02:32,900
I go, "I want to fulfill
my bodysuit."
1187
01:02:32,900 --> 01:02:35,100
This is something
I've always wanted to do.
1188
01:02:35,100 --> 01:02:37,500
And he goes,
"Man, homes, let's do it, man."
1189
01:02:37,500 --> 01:02:40,600
He goes, "Let's go all the way."
1190
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:41,333
This was new.
1191
01:02:42,767 --> 01:02:45,967
Unlike the Japanese who
had stories told on them,
1192
01:02:45,967 --> 01:02:48,067
the Chicanos were telling
their own story.
1193
01:02:49,733 --> 01:02:50,400
David and Chuco's
bodysuits
1194
01:02:51,767 --> 01:02:53,333
became living tributes
to their barrio upbringing,
1195
01:02:54,500 --> 01:02:55,533
reflecting pride
in their heritage
1196
01:02:56,633 --> 01:02:57,767
and the art that
came from it.
1197
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:00,167
This s Chuco,
1198
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:05,500
and he has agreed to model some
of this gorgeous tattoo art.
1199
01:03:06,533 --> 01:03:10,900
Marilyn Monroe,
and the Mexican Emblem,
1200
01:03:10,900 --> 01:03:14,267
Emiliano Zapata, the general,
revolutionary.
1201
01:03:14,267 --> 01:03:17,367
The warrior, Caballero Aguila,
skulls, death, you know.
1202
01:03:18,467 --> 01:03:19,567
I think I saw the
statue of Liberty.
1203
01:03:20,233 --> 01:03:20,433
Yeah, right here.
1204
01:03:21,700 --> 01:03:24,133
In homage to 9-11,
I added a statue of liberty.
1205
01:03:25,433 --> 01:03:27,067
Here's my family, my wife,
my kids, my grandkids.
1206
01:03:28,233 --> 01:03:28,667
This is my son.
He's dead. They killed him.
1207
01:03:29,833 --> 01:03:31,833
- You know, in a gang fight.
- Oh, I'm sorry.
1208
01:03:31,833 --> 01:03:33,700
A couple of years back.
My only son, he was 23.
1209
01:03:33,700 --> 01:03:34,233
This is my son right here.
1210
01:03:35,100 --> 01:03:36,333
Yeah, Chuco is pretty amazing.
1211
01:03:37,533 --> 01:03:40,167
When you think
about this black-and-grey style
1212
01:03:41,500 --> 01:03:46,567
and you think about that cholo
vibe and grace and honor
1213
01:03:47,633 --> 01:03:50,100
and dignity and all
of that stuff,
1214
01:03:50,100 --> 01:03:53,567
and that was like a walking,
talking representation of that.
1215
01:03:54,833 --> 01:03:56,333
He sort of made his way
through the tattoo circuit
1216
01:03:57,133 --> 01:03:58,667
and the tattoo conventions
1217
01:03:58,667 --> 01:04:00,500
as kind of like a
fixture of awe.
1218
01:04:01,933 --> 01:04:03,433
People would kind of just stop
him and stare at his body.
1219
01:04:04,833 --> 01:04:06,700
I mean, I remember for years
just going to conventions,
1220
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:08,833
even before I met him,
1221
01:04:08,833 --> 01:04:10,300
just looking at him,
looking at his tattoos,
1222
01:04:11,300 --> 01:04:13,400
and he couldn't go
to a convention
1223
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:18,500
without practically being naked
50-60 times in a weekend.
1224
01:04:18,500 --> 01:04:19,167
The black-and-grey community
1225
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,033
couldn't have had a better
ambassador of ink
1226
01:04:24,067 --> 01:04:27,233
because he wore his
tattoos so well.
1227
01:04:28,033 --> 01:04:32,833
He started bringing unity
1228
01:04:32,833 --> 01:04:36,000
within the black-and-grey
tattoo world.
1229
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,833
He sort of would bring people
to meet.
1230
01:04:38,833 --> 01:04:40,000
He'd say,
"Hey, Chuey, this is Franco."
1231
01:04:40,733 --> 01:04:41,500
And we became friends.
1232
01:04:43,100 --> 01:04:46,733
And so he started introducing us
to each other through his
tattoos.
1233
01:04:46,733 --> 01:04:47,567
Over the next five years,
1234
01:04:48,933 --> 01:04:50,333
David and Chuco competed
in tattoo competitions
1235
01:04:51,333 --> 01:04:52,867
up and down the
West Coast,
1236
01:04:52,867 --> 01:04:54,500
winning prize
after prize.
1237
01:04:55,833 --> 01:04:57,967
Artists and collectors
from around the world
1238
01:04:57,967 --> 01:05:00,833
marveled at
what they saw.
1239
01:05:00,833 --> 01:05:01,700
With the work
that was on their bodies,
1240
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,933
and the extent of the work
on their bodies
1241
01:05:05,933 --> 01:05:09,100
showed people something
that they had never seen,
1242
01:05:10,567 --> 01:05:15,600
to the number and the extent and
flow of the tattooing itself.
1243
01:05:17,300 --> 01:05:22,367
Because if the tattoos don't
flow, they're just pictures on
skin.
1244
01:05:22,367 --> 01:05:24,233
That's what they had going for
them that I think was different.
1245
01:05:25,667 --> 01:05:28,767
Especially with the quantity
of the pieces that they had.
1246
01:05:35,733 --> 01:05:37,367
David and Chuco's image
and design choices
1247
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:40,500
pushed the limits for a new
generation of artists.
1248
01:05:41,667 --> 01:05:44,100
I asked Chuey to do
a rib cage piece on me,
1249
01:05:45,267 --> 01:05:47,167
and he goes,
"Well, what would you like?"
1250
01:05:48,167 --> 01:05:49,500
Pint had this book
of Michelangelo
1251
01:05:50,933 --> 01:05:52,167
and this book had all kinds
of beautiful things in it
1252
01:05:52,867 --> 01:05:54,500
the Sistine Chapel.
1253
01:05:54,500 --> 01:05:57,200
It had a lot of nice work in it.
1254
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:58,033
I go, "There's a piece
I've always admired."
1255
01:05:59,533 --> 01:06:04,500
Now that I know I could choose
what wanted was just amazing.
1256
01:06:04,500 --> 01:06:05,667
So, I go, "I want this one,"
1257
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,167
and I showed him
the statue that I wanted.
1258
01:06:09,300 --> 01:06:12,233
And it was the Pieta
from Michelangelo.
1259
01:06:12,233 --> 01:06:14,767
And I was like, "Man, this
is going to be tough."
1260
01:06:27,533 --> 01:06:32,100
What made it stick out was
the depth and quality
1261
01:06:32,100 --> 01:06:35,100
and the arrangement of the
lighting on the black-and-grey
1262
01:06:35,833 --> 01:06:36,600
that was put into it.
1263
01:06:37,767 --> 01:06:39,167
I think that's what stood out
the most.
1264
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:43,033
When I added the white,
it just popped.
1265
01:06:44,167 --> 01:06:45,433
It looked like realistic,
it looked shiny,
1266
01:06:46,267 --> 01:06:47,433
it looked like it was a statue.
1267
01:06:48,767 --> 01:06:51,767
And I was very satisfied with
it. I was happy with it.
1268
01:06:56,900 --> 01:06:59,567
The images they became more
crisp, just a lot more
realistic.
1269
01:07:00,667 --> 01:07:01,400
It seems nowadays,
things are just.
1270
01:07:02,700 --> 01:07:05,333
It's hard to determine
from a photo to a tattoo.
1271
01:07:06,867 --> 01:07:09,967
I mean, back in the day,
everything was done just
hand-drawings
1272
01:07:09,967 --> 01:07:10,267
and people would use
their own hand
1273
01:07:11,633 --> 01:07:12,367
and they would just go in
and do their own designs,
1274
01:07:13,667 --> 01:07:16,300
but nowadays people are just
really, really realistic
1275
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:19,700
whether you're dealing with
color or black-and-grey.
1276
01:07:19,700 --> 01:07:21,433
So, it's changed.
It's changed.
1277
01:07:36,633 --> 01:07:40,433
The younger generation that has
been tattooing for 10 or 15
years now,
1278
01:07:41,733 --> 01:07:44,133
they were the ones that have
brought out the realism
1279
01:07:44,967 --> 01:07:46,467
to the aspect that it is today.
1280
01:07:47,633 --> 01:07:50,733
This art form,
I think it's just growing.
1281
01:07:50,733 --> 01:07:52,067
You probably have right now
1282
01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:57,100
the biggest amount of Chicano
artists ever, professional
artists.
1283
01:07:57,900 --> 01:07:59,700
These kids are incredible.
1284
01:08:00,733 --> 01:08:02,733
I learned more about
dimensioning
1285
01:08:02,733 --> 01:08:03,500
you know, where the
light hits it.
1286
01:08:04,900 --> 01:08:08,000
Now I'm working on, like,
maybe second, even third lights.
1287
01:08:09,433 --> 01:08:12,500
How it's gonna work, how it'll
collide with one another.
1288
01:08:13,667 --> 01:08:15,233
It sort of opens up doors
on your brain,
1289
01:08:16,633 --> 01:08:19,400
and, you know, once you open up
those doors of dimension,
1290
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:21,000
you can't close them.
1291
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,100
You just
they learn no matter what.
1292
01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:25,833
You can't become an artist
and just say,
1293
01:08:25,833 --> 01:08:28,567
Well, I know this,
and I know everything!
1294
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:33,300
No, you just barely begin
to know about art.
1295
01:08:45,967 --> 01:08:49,200
As I got into more
of the professional tattooing
1296
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:53,067
and understanding
what it was to
1297
01:08:54,333 --> 01:08:58,533
to have that responsibility
of cutting someone
1298
01:08:58,533 --> 01:09:02,067
and marking them permanently.
1299
01:09:02,067 --> 01:09:04,000
My mom always made sure
that I approached it
1300
01:09:05,333 --> 01:09:09,533
in a way that was with some
dignity, some honesty.
1301
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:12,500
It's changed so much
because now it's the norm
1302
01:09:12,500 --> 01:09:14,133
to be able to go into shops.
1303
01:09:14,133 --> 01:09:15,033
It's the norm to find
really good tattooers,
1304
01:09:16,067 --> 01:09:17,567
and there are far more
the level.
1305
01:09:18,733 --> 01:09:19,633
You now, more people
doing great tattoos
1306
01:09:20,967 --> 01:09:21,367
than have ever existed
in the history of the world
1307
01:09:22,733 --> 01:09:24,500
and by thousand-fold,
thousands and thousands more.
1308
01:09:25,667 --> 01:09:29,833
I think what tattoo art
gives to my clients
1309
01:09:29,833 --> 01:09:33,000
is the way they can
express themselves.
1310
01:09:34,300 --> 01:09:37,067
What really means something,
a marker in their life,
1311
01:09:38,267 --> 01:09:39,567
a moment in their life
that they want captured.
1312
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:41,667
Ever since I was a kid,
I liked pirates.
1313
01:09:42,367 --> 01:09:42,700
The way they lived.
1314
01:09:43,967 --> 01:09:45,433
They had no allegiance
to no king or government.
1315
01:09:46,467 --> 01:09:48,433
Living free, doing
what you want.
1316
01:09:49,567 --> 01:09:51,800
It was my artist,
Carlos Torres's idea
1317
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:52,333
of how he was going
to set it all up.
1318
01:09:53,500 --> 01:09:54,500
I just gave him the scenario,
you know,
1319
01:09:54,500 --> 01:09:56,067
the idea of who I wanted in it,
1320
01:09:57,367 --> 01:10:00,433
and he came up with the
whole design and portrayal,
1321
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:03,067
and he sketched it up for me
right there.
1322
01:10:04,467 --> 01:10:09,100
And he goes, "Let's take a
picture of you with the wheel,"
1323
01:10:09,100 --> 01:10:10,033
and I actually had that wheel
at my house,
1324
01:10:11,167 --> 01:10:13,067
and then I did a pose with that
in my arm.
1325
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:16,233
He took the photo
and then drew it up,
1326
01:10:17,267 --> 01:10:19,500
added the pirate clothes
and the hat,
1327
01:10:19,500 --> 01:10:21,333
decayed my face.
1328
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:24,000
Our clientele nowadays,
1329
01:10:24,833 --> 01:10:28,800
they come in with a concept,
1330
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,200
and generally, it's always hard.
1331
01:10:33,167 --> 01:10:34,167
People don't want simple
tattoos really anymore.
1332
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,567
It's always like they want a
piece of fine art on their skin.
1333
01:10:39,300 --> 01:10:41,000
But that's what we do,
1334
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,033
and there's a lot
that goes into it.
1335
01:10:44,067 --> 01:10:45,667
We take their idea
in their head,
1336
01:10:45,667 --> 01:10:47,167
and we have to not
only tattoo it,
1337
01:10:48,033 --> 01:10:49,067
but we have to choreograph it
1338
01:10:49,900 --> 01:10:50,700
and we have to put it together.
1339
01:10:51,500 --> 01:10:54,100
We have to show it to them.
1340
01:10:54,100 --> 01:10:56,600
We have to make changes,
put it on their skin.
1341
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,233
And so it becomes kind of
like a painting on a canvas.
1342
01:11:01,267 --> 01:11:03,733
My mom passed away
when I was 13.
1343
01:11:03,733 --> 01:11:04,500
She had told me, like,
"Play the drums."
1344
01:11:05,367 --> 01:11:06,833
Don't stop playing the drums.
1345
01:11:06,833 --> 01:11:08,000
No matter what happens,
keep playing your drums.
1346
01:11:09,033 --> 01:11:12,133
Then I got to the point
where I was 16.
1347
01:11:12,133 --> 01:11:16,533
I graduated from high school,
and my pops basically said,
1348
01:11:16,533 --> 01:11:18,433
"You either get a job, you work
60 hours a week, and you pay
bills,"
1349
01:11:19,100 --> 01:11:21,100
or you need to go,
1350
01:11:21,100 --> 01:11:23,167
you need to play the drums
and try what you're gonna try.
1351
01:11:24,567 --> 01:11:27,500
So I moved to Laguna Beach,
and I became a trash man,
1352
01:11:27,500 --> 01:11:28,267
and I started playing the drums.
1353
01:11:29,867 --> 01:11:30,667
I started getting tattoos
because my dad would always tell
me,
1354
01:11:32,300 --> 01:11:34,167
You gotta have a plan B. You
gotta have something to fall
back on.
1355
01:11:35,767 --> 01:11:37,167
And I basically that
resonated, and I kept hearing
that,
1356
01:11:38,300 --> 01:11:41,100
and I was like,
"I don't want the plan B."
1357
01:11:41,100 --> 01:11:43,233
So I think in a year's time,
I started documenting everything
1358
01:11:43,967 --> 01:11:45,667
from my mom's memorial
1359
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,633
to big ass checkered flags
and my car.
1360
01:11:50,633 --> 01:11:54,033
You know, like,
my 66 on my neck.
1361
01:11:55,300 --> 01:11:56,267
I made it to where
no one would want to hire me
1362
01:11:57,433 --> 01:12:00,067
and I couldn't fit in
at your normal job
1363
01:12:01,333 --> 01:12:03,367
or work at your local Target
or McDonalds or...
1364
01:12:04,767 --> 01:12:07,700
I didn't want any of that.
I just wanted to play the drums.
1365
01:12:07,700 --> 01:12:09,967
I mean, two years later,
I was sleeved up
1366
01:12:09,967 --> 01:12:13,100
and it was impossible for me
to get a normal job
1367
01:12:14,233 --> 01:12:17,067
which was a job well done
in my book.
1368
01:12:18,367 --> 01:12:20,400
Tattooing, I think, in essence
is a people's art,
1369
01:12:21,567 --> 01:12:25,200
and prior to it breaking out
into mainstream,
1370
01:12:26,467 --> 01:12:31,167
it was kept in confines
of the artists themselves,
1371
01:12:32,333 --> 01:12:33,667
and then, suddenly,
there were conventions,
1372
01:12:34,533 --> 01:12:35,233
and then there were magazines,
1373
01:12:36,367 --> 01:12:38,100
and the magazines
opened the doors wider,
1374
01:12:39,533 --> 01:12:41,700
and then supply companies
got involved in the magazines,
1375
01:12:41,700 --> 01:12:43,100
and that sort of
really opened it up,
1376
01:12:44,267 --> 01:12:45,333
and then the television shows,
of course,
1377
01:12:46,167 --> 01:12:47,600
now have broadcasted everywhere.
1378
01:12:51,900 --> 01:12:53,933
I think it is changing a lot.
1379
01:12:53,933 --> 01:12:56,300
I think a lot of people
who are in the public eye
1380
01:12:57,367 --> 01:12:58,600
getting heavily
tattooed helps a lot.
1381
01:12:59,900 --> 01:13:02,567
I think that was one of the few
benefits of the TV shows
1382
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,200
is that you were bringing decent
tattoos into people's homes
1383
01:13:07,367 --> 01:13:07,567
and showing that,
you know what I mean?
1384
01:13:08,900 --> 01:13:09,700
These are just normal, everyday,
working-class people.
1385
01:13:14,267 --> 01:13:16,233
These reality shows
were instantly successful,
1386
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:19,267
finding audiences
all over the world.
1387
01:13:21,533 --> 01:13:25,067
And in turn, TV viewers
discovered black-and-grey.
1388
01:13:28,900 --> 01:13:30,367
When you watch these shows now
and you see Corey Miller's
pieces,
1389
01:13:31,667 --> 01:13:33,600
you see all these different
degrees of tattoos,
1390
01:13:35,100 --> 01:13:39,433
it makes the general public,
times a million, times a
billion,
1391
01:13:39,433 --> 01:13:44,033
across the world go, "Oh, I
never knew tattooing could be
that good."
1392
01:13:45,100 --> 01:13:46,033
If that's the case,
I want one.".
1393
01:13:47,333 --> 01:13:48,000
People that never thought
about getting tattooed
1394
01:13:49,533 --> 01:13:50,233
are now deciding, "Hey, I want
to go in to get my first
tattoo."
1395
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:53,833
We've got lawyers and doctors
and school teachers
1396
01:13:53,833 --> 01:13:55,167
all these people
that would have been against it.
1397
01:13:56,867 --> 01:14:00,967
In the television they can see
that, "Hey, we can do
portraits."
1398
01:14:00,967 --> 01:14:03,367
So the people want
the black-and-grey portraits,
1399
01:14:04,500 --> 01:14:06,067
and most times pictures
of family members,
1400
01:14:07,233 --> 01:14:10,567
so, children, babies,
granddad, grandma,
1401
01:14:11,433 --> 01:14:14,033
father, mom, sister, brother.
1402
01:14:15,333 --> 01:14:17,367
And the most wanted portrait
is Johnny Cash right now
1403
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:19,000
the last two or three years.
1404
01:14:20,333 --> 01:14:24,267
So Johnny Cash or movie stars
or something like that.
1405
01:14:30,133 --> 01:14:30,500
I don't like to outline
1406
01:14:31,967 --> 01:14:34,300
because the more line work you
use, it comes out cartoony,
1407
01:14:35,033 --> 01:14:35,167
you know what I mean?
1408
01:14:35,900 --> 01:14:36,767
So it's more shading.
1409
01:14:36,767 --> 01:14:37,267
A lot of the artists nowadays,
1410
01:14:38,433 --> 01:14:39,700
we do nothing but shading,
darker depths.
1411
01:14:40,967 --> 01:14:42,233
Everything enhances the picture,
makes it look more real.
1412
01:14:43,067 --> 01:14:44,167
We're made of shades, not lines.
1413
01:14:45,867 --> 01:14:47,667
So it's based on the tones, the
way the light source hits your
skin.
1414
01:14:49,100 --> 01:14:50,333
You want to capture that, you
know, make the tattoo pop.
1415
01:14:56,367 --> 01:14:58,233
When I saw Jack Rudy's,
1416
01:14:59,667 --> 01:15:01,600
he did a portrait of Rita
Hayworth as an old photograph
1417
01:15:02,633 --> 01:15:05,567
with scotch tape
holding it on a leg.
1418
01:15:05,567 --> 01:15:06,233
I just couldn't believe that
level of illustration could
exist,
1419
01:15:07,433 --> 01:15:08,833
and I think that's what really
opened the door,
1420
01:15:08,833 --> 01:15:11,500
and now illustration is
everywhere in tattooing,
1421
01:15:11,500 --> 01:15:13,233
in color and in black-and-grey.
1422
01:15:14,900 --> 01:15:17,833
Nothing will replace the
excitement that Jack's tattoos
gave people.
1423
01:15:17,833 --> 01:15:20,233
I mean, we didn't even know
it was possible.
1424
01:15:21,767 --> 01:15:25,633
I believe it fell in the right
hands with Jack, Freddy,
Charlie,
1425
01:15:26,667 --> 01:15:29,167
in East LA and
where they started
1426
01:15:30,433 --> 01:15:33,200
because they took
that prison-style tattooing.
1427
01:15:34,033 --> 01:15:36,000
It wasn't the seven or nine
1428
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:37,567
or thick fat outlines
with just a little bit of color.
1429
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:39,567
It was fine line, single needle.
1430
01:15:40,767 --> 01:15:42,367
It was the darkest black
to the lightest grey,
1431
01:15:43,233 --> 01:15:45,367
and it was put into fine art,
1432
01:15:45,367 --> 01:15:48,700
and I believe that's how it
didn't slip through the cracks.
1433
01:15:50,333 --> 01:15:52,167
I believe that's how it started
off on a small string in East
LA.
1434
01:15:53,300 --> 01:15:54,400
It wasn't accepted
by anybody, really,
1435
01:15:55,133 --> 01:15:55,567
except for prisoners,
1436
01:15:56,700 --> 01:15:58,033
and it just slowly expanded
and grew.
1437
01:15:59,333 --> 01:16:03,100
And over the years,
other artists started seeing
1438
01:16:03,100 --> 01:16:04,333
what I feel was
a challenging type of artwork.
1439
01:16:05,667 --> 01:16:06,567
And so I think that's kind of
what triggered everyone
1440
01:16:07,667 --> 01:16:08,367
to kind of want to
know how to do it.
1441
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:12,033
As the popularity of tattoos
has grown,
1442
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:14,300
so have the number
of conventions.
1443
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,767
There are now more than 350
shows held each year
worldwide.
1444
01:16:42,500 --> 01:16:46,433
Right now in Spain the theme
people most ask for is Chicano.
1445
01:16:47,900 --> 01:16:51,067
Furthermore, I believe you can
manage to do an entire body
1446
01:16:52,500 --> 01:16:56,500
with this style of mixing women,
cars, buildings, landscapes,
1447
01:16:57,367 --> 01:16:58,733
and have it look really good.
1448
01:17:05,533 --> 01:17:07,367
Italian publisher and
convention promoter Miki
Vialetto
1449
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:09,333
has earned a reputation
for putting on
1450
01:17:10,933 --> 01:17:12,767
some of the most prestigious
and entertaining conventions of
all.
1451
01:17:14,567 --> 01:17:15,600
People come from
around the world
1452
01:17:16,900 --> 01:17:21,133
to get work by Miki's
carefully-selected artists.
1453
01:17:21,133 --> 01:17:24,233
I think the Chicano Style
now in Europe,
1454
01:17:24,233 --> 01:17:28,500
it has a huge impact on
tattooing since three or four
years.
1455
01:17:28,500 --> 01:17:32,533
We start to see Chicano tattoos
1456
01:17:32,533 --> 01:17:37,133
from all the rockstars that Mr.
Cartoon has been tattooing
lately.
1457
01:17:37,967 --> 01:17:41,167
And since a couple of years,
1458
01:17:41,167 --> 01:17:44,167
Boog, Jose Lopez,
Chuey Quintanar, Jack Rudy
1459
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:46,467
I start to bring them in Europe,
1460
01:17:47,667 --> 01:17:50,400
in Milan Convention
and London convention.
1461
01:17:51,700 --> 01:17:55,400
So, many magazines start to
make articles about them
1462
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:59,700
and now so many tattoo shops,
they have and they do Chicano
stuff.
1463
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:04,067
I love that I've been able to
take Chicano art all over the
world.
1464
01:18:05,533 --> 01:18:09,067
I've done art shows in London,
and Paris, Amsterdam, Australia.
1465
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:14,600
I've also been to Tokyo and seen
black-and-grey body Japanese
suits.
1466
01:18:15,467 --> 01:18:18,767
By Horioshi three, incredible.
1467
01:18:18,767 --> 01:18:20,133
Really looks good
in black-and-grey.
1468
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:22,533
Now they're starting
to experiment more with it
1469
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:24,267
'cause they see how we do t.
1470
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:33,033
I don't think
a lot of people in Europe
1471
01:18:34,433 --> 01:18:39,000
know all the meaning and history
behind the Chicano icons.
1472
01:18:40,467 --> 01:18:43,167
They see a lot of culture that
comes from California, from LA,
1473
01:18:44,367 --> 01:18:46,500
the lowrider culture,
the Chicano Culture,
1474
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:50,567
and they take it even if
they don't know the meaning.
1475
01:18:51,733 --> 01:18:54,033
But the new trend in Europe
since two years
1476
01:18:54,867 --> 01:18:56,100
is definitely the Chicano Style.
1477
01:18:59,367 --> 01:19:00,700
In November 2011,
1478
01:19:01,967 --> 01:19:03,500
some of the worlds
most renowned tattoo artists
1479
01:19:05,067 --> 01:19:08,467
met up in Amsterdam to
celebrate the history of
tattoo.
1480
01:19:13,233 --> 01:19:15,067
Henk Shiffmacher spent
a lifetime tattooing
1481
01:19:16,700 --> 01:19:18,400
and collecting tattoo
memorabilia from all over the
world.
1482
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:21,400
His vast collection
was displayed for a year
1483
01:19:22,500 --> 01:19:23,700
in a museum
located alongside
1484
01:19:25,067 --> 01:19:26,533
some of Holland's most
prestigious institutions.
1485
01:19:28,433 --> 01:19:30,800
For many of the tattoo
artists in attendance,
1486
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:32,233
the symbolism was
unmistakable.
1487
01:19:33,633 --> 01:19:36,400
It was an affirmation of
their craft's rich history.
1488
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:37,167
This is a pilgrimage.
1489
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:40,467
We want you to come here
as a pilgrim
1490
01:19:40,467 --> 01:19:42,500
and to learn about tattoo,
1491
01:19:43,733 --> 01:19:47,333
to pay tribute
to those who gave us this art.
1492
01:19:47,333 --> 01:19:48,200
All the way down,
1493
01:19:49,500 --> 01:19:52,500
all the way to the first
man and woman with tattoos.
1494
01:19:52,500 --> 01:19:54,600
All the whole history of tattoo.
1495
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,333
- Be careful and be safe.
- Yeah.
1496
01:19:58,733 --> 01:20:01,200
The culture comes from up.
It comes from the bottom up.
1497
01:20:02,367 --> 01:20:05,067
It bubbles up, and it's
stuff that is, you know,
1498
01:20:05,067 --> 01:20:07,600
percolated by people's soul
and passion
1499
01:20:08,767 --> 01:20:10,600
and striving
and what they really care about.
1500
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:11,600
It's not some construct.
1501
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,267
As much as I think my own work
has evolved
1502
01:20:16,300 --> 01:20:18,267
and stuff I've
seen other artists
1503
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:23,233
that have taken black-and-grey
to a whole other level.
1504
01:20:24,533 --> 01:20:28,833
You look and see what a lot
of these young hot shots
1505
01:20:28,833 --> 01:20:30,867
are doing and stuff,
and I tell you what.
1506
01:20:30,867 --> 01:20:35,100
It keeps us, keeps us old guys
on our toes
1507
01:20:35,100 --> 01:20:37,500
because, like, you either keep
up or you get left behind.
1508
01:20:38,333 --> 01:20:39,233
You know, it's how I look at it,
1509
01:20:39,933 --> 01:20:41,167
and so it is incredible,
1510
01:20:42,633 --> 01:20:47,033
but, I mean, see, tattooing in
general has evolved incredibly.
1511
01:20:47,033 --> 01:20:49,100
Remember, now there's gotta be
15 or 20
1512
01:20:50,167 --> 01:20:52,000
very distinct
styles of tattooing
1513
01:20:52,833 --> 01:20:55,500
that didn't exist 35 years ago.
1514
01:20:55,500 --> 01:20:56,967
Didn't exist.
1515
01:20:56,967 --> 01:20:58,233
It's just grown so
much, you know.
1516
01:20:59,667 --> 01:21:03,833
I never saw I never thought it
would be this giant an industry.
1517
01:21:03,833 --> 01:21:04,233
You don't have to be
the bad guy anymore
1518
01:21:05,100 --> 01:21:06,567
to want to have a nice tattoo.
1519
01:21:07,633 --> 01:21:08,500
In my times
I grew up in the '60s
1520
01:21:09,500 --> 01:21:10,500
to have a tattoo,
to own a tattoo,
1521
01:21:11,833 --> 01:21:14,167
you either had to be a gang
member, a drug addict,
1522
01:21:15,367 --> 01:21:16,367
or been in the penitentiary
at least once.
1523
01:21:17,033 --> 01:21:18,567
It's all good art.
1524
01:21:18,567 --> 01:21:20,100
It's wearable art.
1525
01:21:20,533 --> 01:21:21,100
Correct.
1526
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:26,033
Now, we're at the
age of, like, art.
1527
01:21:26,733 --> 01:21:28,700
It really is an art
1528
01:21:28,700 --> 01:21:29,667
because there's
so many artists into it,
1529
01:21:30,867 --> 01:21:33,967
and it doesn't matter
what you like more.
1530
01:21:33,967 --> 01:21:35,600
It's just like
this is their art,
1531
01:21:36,433 --> 01:21:36,767
and this is how he does it.
1532
01:21:38,433 --> 01:21:40,233
This is their art,
and this is how he does it.
1533
01:21:41,700 --> 01:21:42,700
Before it was like, "Oh, wow,
this guy's better than this guy",
1534
01:21:43,833 --> 01:21:45,067
and this guy's even better
than this guy,
1535
01:21:45,067 --> 01:21:45,633
and this guy's better
than this guy.
1536
01:21:46,467 --> 01:21:47,367
And it's not about that anymore.
1537
01:21:48,767 --> 01:21:52,167
It's about this person and their
art and their expression,
1538
01:21:53,467 --> 01:21:55,433
and that's when you know
that tattooing has arrived.
1539
01:24:07,667 --> 01:24:09,433
You know, 20 years ago
when I walked into a restaurant,
1540
01:24:11,033 --> 01:24:12,233
everybody in the restaurant
would start making weird noises
1541
01:24:13,567 --> 01:24:15,500
you know, you'd hear,
"Tattoo this, tattoo that."
1542
01:24:15,500 --> 01:24:16,167
I know a guy whose got a tattoo.
1543
01:24:17,300 --> 01:24:18,100
You know,
"Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."
1544
01:24:19,267 --> 01:24:20,700
Whereas now you walk
into the restaurant
1545
01:24:20,700 --> 01:24:21,200
and the waiter's sleeved.
1546
01:24:22,333 --> 01:24:23,367
You don't stand out
like you used to.
1547
01:24:24,567 --> 01:24:25,500
The cops pull you over,
they don't look at you
1548
01:24:26,733 --> 01:24:27,433
like you're some kind
of criminal nowadays,
1549
01:24:28,633 --> 01:24:31,700
whereas 20 years ago,
if you were sleeved,
1550
01:24:31,700 --> 01:24:34,367
man, they were,
"What jail were you in?"
1551
01:24:35,067 --> 01:24:35,700
'Cause they didn't know.
1552
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:38,333
They'd see the color.
1553
01:24:38,333 --> 01:24:41,400
They didn't realize that you
don't get color in jail, you
know.
1554
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,100
Now if you're an NBA player and
you don't have a bunch of
tattoos,
1555
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:48,833
it looks like you ran out
of money or something.
1556
01:24:48,833 --> 01:24:50,000
Like, you're missing the
accessory, you know.
1557
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:53,967
They go from being a poor kid
in a project
1558
01:24:53,967 --> 01:24:57,667
to getting a couple mill
deposited in their bank account.
1559
01:24:57,667 --> 01:24:59,033
They're gonna go
hit the Escalade,
1560
01:25:00,167 --> 01:25:01,567
they're gonna go hit
the European car,
1561
01:25:02,767 --> 01:25:03,400
they're gonna go get
their jewellery right,
1562
01:25:04,233 --> 01:25:06,133
Jordans, and their tattoos.
1563
01:25:08,233 --> 01:25:10,033
David and I became
very close friends.
1564
01:25:11,033 --> 01:25:13,833
We had some great
times together.
1565
01:25:13,833 --> 01:25:15,400
He introduced me to his mom
and his family.
1566
01:25:16,567 --> 01:25:17,333
And she would always
take me inside and say,
1567
01:25:18,467 --> 01:25:20,467
"Please don't tattoo
my sons anymore."
1568
01:25:20,467 --> 01:25:22,100
They have enough tattoos.
1569
01:25:22,533 --> 01:25:24,300
I won't.
1570
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:27,367
There used to be a guy
that used to.
1571
01:25:28,433 --> 01:25:29,833
There used to be
a couple of brothers.
1572
01:25:29,833 --> 01:25:32,367
They used to come in
to the East LA shop.
1573
01:25:33,067 --> 01:25:34,367
The Diaz brothers, okay?
1574
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:36,167
And one Diaz in
particular used to.
1575
01:25:37,333 --> 01:25:38,633
Every time he used to come in,
he'd say,
1576
01:25:38,633 --> 01:25:40,600
"Jack from way back."
1577
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:42,433
He's older than baseball.
1578
01:25:43,767 --> 01:25:45,233
But he knew Moby Dick
when he was just a sardine.
1579
01:25:46,100 --> 01:25:47,267
And he always said that to me.
1580
01:25:48,433 --> 01:25:49,233
And I was like,
"That sounds pretty cool, homes."
1581
01:25:50,567 --> 01:25:52,367
I like the way that sounds
'Jack from way back'.
1582
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:55,700
But, like, that's more of a like
a name for a veterano, you know?
1583
01:25:56,833 --> 01:25:58,567
"A guy's that been around
for a long, long time."
1584
01:25:59,967 --> 01:26:04,400
And he goes, "Don't worry,
homes. You'll grow into it."
1585
01:26:05,133 --> 01:26:06,767
Was he right or what?
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