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You had a volunteer, ten years ago,
saying he could infiltrate a North
Korean Friendship group in Denmark.
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You said that wasn't really big
enough for you to investigate,
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but you'd stay in contact
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and if it became bigger,
then you could revisit it.
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It did.
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I used to work for
the British security service,
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otherwise known as MI5,
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so the film team has asked me in
to debrief you.
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He is a retired chef. Mm-hm.
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He resides in the suburbs of
Copenhagen,
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together with his family.
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Do you happen to know if he's told
his wife what he was doing?
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I don't think so. No?
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And, over those early years,
your mole had progressed up
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the hierarchy of the North Korean
Friendship Association
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until he was
a position of influence in Europe
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and knew the head guy in Europe.
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Do you think Alejandro is dangerous?
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You brought in a fake businessman.
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He has to play the part of Mr James.
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And suddenly the North Koreans get
very excited about the
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possibility of weapons trading,
or drug smuggling, or whatever.
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And deals are cut,
contracts are signed.
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So, what I want to think about is
where does that leave us now?
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And did the Koreans have
any preferences
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when it came to countries
or suggestions?
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The mole speaks about how they are
going to produce methamphetamine
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and weapons, and then
Alejandro Cao de Benos says...
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DETECTOR BEEPS
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I knew, if something is
going to happen here, it's over.
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BEEPING
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HE SCOFFS
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BEEPING CONTINUES
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CAR STARTS
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HE EXHALES
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What happened next?
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HE GROANS
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So, just to be fully clear here,
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he was fully briefed on the plans to
build the secret factory in Uganda?
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Loved the idea. OK. Yeah.
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In Uganda, Mr James
would be the playmaker.
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Yeah, OK.
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And to have it all on camera,
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he brought a photographer
who was filming
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for a covert video about his life
as a man of international mystery.
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And the mole,
he brought his hidden camera.
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So, what happens next?
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Is that...?
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And who is he?
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NEWSCASTER: Earlier this month,
North Korea threatened to fire
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missiles towards
the US territory of Guam.
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This provoked the US president
into threats of war.
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North Korea best not make any more
threats to the United States.
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They will be met with fire and fury
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like the world has never seen.
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LAUGHTER
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How had you found
the island in the first place?
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LAUGHTER
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EXCITED CHATTER
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MAN: We are waiting for someone.
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Your sister? Your brother?
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MAN: I will show you one on the
other side and then we are done,
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and then you have an idea
of all the things.
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Did you get an impression that they
had something out of the box,
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so they had done this before and
had a standard plan,
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a standard look for disguising
these sort of facilities?
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They had worked with other
people like this?
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How can that be done?
Was the government involved?
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We were really crazy as well.
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Thank you.
APPLAUSE
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GROANING
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LAUGHTER
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THUMPING MUSIC PLAYS
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So, although the true purpose
of the project was not
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revealed to the Africans,
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buying the island in Uganda
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and using it for a secret weapons
and drug factory
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seemed to be right up
the alley of the North Koreans,
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which was kind of important
to prove.
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But it did not stop there
because, while in Uganda,
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the North Korean arms dealer
Mr Danny was ready to take
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the joint venture a step further.
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Yeah, we can meet in the lobby.
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North Koreans needing to move
armaments to Syria is
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actually a very interesting
piece of information,
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so please allow me
to digress a little bit.
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Historically, North Korea and Syria
have been friends for many years
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and the North Koreans were even
building a nuclear reactor
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in the Syrian desert until the
Israelis decided to blow it up.
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During the civil war in Syria,
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the New York Times published
a story about how North Korea was
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helping the Syrian regime
with its chemical weapons programme.
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At the same time, small arms
from North Korea have been found
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in the hands of fighters
from the Islamic State,
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but most likely these weapons were
stolen from the Syrian army.
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So, when the North Korean arms
dealer Mr Danny wants to send bombs
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and projectiles to Syria, the end
user is probably the Syrian regime.
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So what did you say to Danny
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when he suggested that you
help with the Syria move?
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Something I still feel bad about is
sending Mr James to Beijing
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to meet with North Korean arms
dealers.
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People who are in the know about
the dark side
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advised us strongly against it.
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Because if the Chinese
intelligence service would shine
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their lights on Mr James, it
would be another ball game entirely.
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But Mr James is a man
who craves action
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and I am a film-maker who craves
sensation, so he went anyway.
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Both men are North Korean.
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I know this because sometimes
they speak Korean to each other
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in the dialect of the North.
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Asking for names of clients
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and contacts in the world of arms
dealing seems to be a show stopper.
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And what was the power dynamic
between these two?
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Was the enigmatic Stoneface
summoned to Beijing
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in order to verify the identity
of Mr James?
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He never says a word,
he does not even smile,
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so we can never know for sure
about Stoneface,
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but it is safe to say that
his appearance made a difference.
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Yeah.
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HE LAUGHS
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HE LAUGHS LOUDLY
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So, when did they contact you again?
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Hm.
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My actor, Mr James, seemed to be
taking on a life of his own.
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That was a concern.
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Another concern was the mole going
back to Spain to brief
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Alejandro Cao de Benos about the
Tourism Project, the code name
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chosen for the underground weapons
and drugs factory in Uganda.
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By now, the mole had been undercover
for more than seven years
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and paranoia was running high.
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So far, no intelligence service
had caught onto us,
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but, every time we met with
Alejandro Cao de Benos,
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we had to consider the possibility
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that he was being followed
by spooks.
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At the same time, we also had
to consider the risk
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that Alejandro would upgrade
his counter surveillance
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with new devices
for discovering microphones.
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From now on, the mole would only
meet with Alejandro in a hotel
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chosen by us with security
on standby next door
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